Knowledge Fight - #420: The Militia Tech Support Call-In Show

Episode Date: April 15, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan continue the deplatforming of Alex Jones from their podcast, as they take a look at an episode of Bill Cooper's radio show where he has open phone lines. The gents explore how differently Alex and Bill treat their callers, and how feeling disappointed in your audience is a universal trait among conspiracy theorists.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink now to beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed. We are Dan, Jordan, Jordan. Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot this week? I keep saying this week. Yeah, we don't do three episodes in a yeah. Yeah, I okay. We I went to the store the other day and I got a couple of limited time only foods, okay, or sort of weird off things that I've not tried before. Okay, it's always a risky thing, but I always always do it every single time. You love novel and when, especially in like snack, foods or or candies or something, and I will never not buy them because even if it's like this can't be good. Yeah, this can't be good. Yeah, no way. It's a disaster. Yeah, got to fudge M&M's fudge bat. I think it was fudge batter M&M's. Okay. It's fantastic. Those were good game changing really very good. Okay, very good. I believe you. And then the other one was wild heat jerky. You liked that too. Yes. These were these were impulse purchases very rare two for two. Yeah, it almost never happens. Yeah, that's something will be a complete disappointment disaster. Sure, but fudge brownie. Yeah M&M's Jack's links wild. Good amount of heat really cleared cleared me out a little bit started sweat a tiny bit. Felt good as bright spot. It's turned into snack reviews. I mean there's not a whole lot

else going on. So what are you? Yeah. What is my bright spot? I finished my book. Hey, congratulations. Yeah. Didn't you tell me that a month ago? No, I finished the first draft and now I finished the manuscript completely. Yes, congratulations until somebody reads it and there's like this sucks and this sucks and this sucks and you should rewrite the entire book. But how about you started page one and give me another one exactly. Yeah, I like everything about this but it all needs to change page one rewrite from the very beginning. You're great. You have a title that you want to tell the wonks. It's called the quiet part loud. Is it really? Yeah. All right. Seems appropriate. Seems fitting. Right. Well, you can look for that on Simon and Schuster within the next six months. Very much down. Yeah, very much down penguin classics. I don't think they're coming for me. No, you're gonna get a open for a hay market. That's what I'm doing. A Caldecott award. What's it called those children's Caldecott award. Right. Yeah. I couldn't remember. It was deep in my memory banks. I was trying to pull from well. That's great. Yeah spots. Yeah. So Jordan today. We got an interesting episode to go over. But before we do that, we got to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show. So first cognitive dissident. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much. Next Brandon. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. Thank you, Brandon Brandon. Next. Jesper. Thank you so much you are now policy wonk. I'm a policy. Wonk thank you very much Jesper next. Jennifer from Houston. Thank you so much. You know policy Wonk I'm a policy

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sports show we appreciate it or you can find a local charity in your area that helps people in the we would like either. I'm glad you've learned. I'm a difference between both and either and or I have a right. It's good to know conjunction versus disjunction. Those are important. Conjunction dysfunction. Yes. So schoolhouse rock. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, Jordan today. What we're doing? I am in a in a difficult position. I'm in a bit of a pickle barrel. You're in a bind. Yeah, we have deplatformed Alex from the podcast. He is no longer allowed. Right. I am. I am for a bit Jack from Twitter. According to his his relationship with our media. Yeah, his app is removed from our store. Exactly. And I felt like it would be kind of lame if we just deplatformed him for one episode. Right. So I was like, okay, we got to do something different again and fuck it. Can't do two project can a lot of episodes. Absolutely. No good. No. A lot of the other

weirdos, the tertiary weirdos that we have, like Dave Dobbin, Meyer or Reverend Manning. Sure. Those guys are one trick ponies. Yeah, it would be very. I tried to find stuff to talk about about them, but it'd be very, very boring. One of them is a brutal criminal. Yes, maybe both and then the other one is a reverend. So we have like it was it was a difficult time trying to figure out something else to do to keep Alex deplatformed. And then Trump had his coronavirus press conference where he said that the power of the president is ultimate. Yeah, he did declare himself king. He did do that. That was odd. I mean, I think there are probably some like weird ways you could, you know, weasel around it and I would be interested to hear Alex do exactly that because he can't believe that will not talk about it. He spent most of two thousand nine yelling about the tenth amendment yelling about the rights of

governors, superseding that of the president. Yep. He tried to get a constitutional convention going. Well, what you don't understand is all of the governors work for the deep state and only Trump is there to protect the union. Dan, he needs to become king. It's so fundamentally against Alex's professed beliefs about what our government is. Yeah, how it operates. Then I was like, well, I got it on deep platform. I got a replatform him to figure out what his response to that was. Of course. However, on Tuesday, which is when we're recording, yes, I turned on his episode. Oh, and Shroyer's hosting. What a mother exactly piece of shit. Trump's declared himself king. I was like, fuck it. I'm not doing this one now. You can find a way to spin this bull. Good luck. I need. Yeah, I'm gonna kick this can down the road. Get your dumb beard on air and mumble around. So I watched a little bit of it and I found it incredibly boring. So I am not going to do an episode about what

Owen Shroyer's response never was to this. So I found myself back in that same the pickle barrel. Yeah, and what I what I did was I I sat with some feelings. I reached out to our friend Robert Evans over it behind the bastards and asked, what do you want to hear about? Oh, now he's got too much influence over this show. I just needed a suggestion of like a direction and he suggested some more Bill Cooper. And so I decided, yes, let's do that. Now, unfortunately, a lot of the things about Bill Cooper that I want to talk about. And I think that a lot of the audience wants us to talk about are gigantic. Yeah, they would require essentially the same sort of thing that we did with end game. Yeah, or even more than that. I want to get into his stuff about the Oklahoma City bombing. I want to get into Waco with him. You know, these are things that he covered as they were

happening. But they're so much to do like it's so much preparation would be required because he does a lot of episodes and unlike Alex, they're all about the same thing and they're dense. Yeah, he talks about yeah. Yeah, you're like I got to fucking track that down. Now as well as Alex just rambling about nothing. And so I want to do those, but I can't do them today. Can't do justice. No, half ass. But that's what I'm that's what I am thinking about. Maybe we shift things around and for a little bit only do Bill Cooper and check in on Alex periodically. I can handle that. I'm not sure if I want to do that. I'm not sure if the audience wants us to do that, but it's something I'm considering like flipping it. Yeah, Bill Cooper on Monday and Friday, Alex on Wednesday. I like it. Yeah, thinking about that only if only to be like a way to get through some of these larger topics that I want to. But every time I'm in the position to do a bill Cooper episode, it's like, well, that's way too much

for the need that we have. We could treat him like one of our investigations like a 2015 or a sandy hook. Yeah, that's that's something I'm considering. So we will see. But anyway, I wanted to fulfill some some of the audience's desire for some Bill Cooper. And so I went one of the audience's desire. I've gotten a number of messages from other people who want more okay. And so I listen to a lot of his stuff trying to find a good episode that was like this is a standalone thing. This has some content. This doesn't. It's not something that's going to take us 40 hours to go over. Sure. Sure. And it was tough. I didn't really find much immediately, but I did notice that Bill does a number of call in episodes where people can just give him a call and talk about whatever that is exactly what I want to hear. And a lot of them are labeled calls call in or whatever. That's convenient. Some of them are labeled calls good. So those ones you would think would be

good. The delicious ones. Yes, this one that I got today is an episode from let me get the date on this one November 29th 2000. Okay, so a bit late right in Bill's career just after the election. Yeah, 2000 or he just after George W stole the election. Yeah, Bill is not happy about that. And this one is labeled calls really good. So I knew this is going to be really good to be the good stuff. Yeah, absolutely. So I decided we're going to go over this and I think it'll be good because I think it'll be really good. Thank you. Yeah. And one of the reasons for that is that we know from listening to Alex so much. One of the things he does is he takes calls when he wants to eat lunch. Yeah. Yeah. He's very rude to listeners when they call in with stupid shit like don't pop air bubbles because they come from

China. He's like go great. Love it takes a big bite of sandwich and he's like I love that shit. Yeah. So I think there might be some value in differentiating some of the things that some of the behaviors, the ways that Bill carries himself. And I think we'll see a number of those in this episode. So here's here's how it starts with Bill opening up the floor where take calls whatever you want to talk about. I don't care. Let's talk about it. We're going to be taking your calls all hour tonight five to zero three, three, four, five, seven, eight phones are open. And you can just say whatever you want to say. Talk about whatever you want to talk about. I don't care. It's all right with me. Tell you one thing. There's some pretty good movies coming up pretty soon. As he has walked to do with a bunch of

movie trailers upcoming movie trailers in quick time. I fucking love this dude. Quick time. God. That's so funny. We're gonna be taking calls or whatever. I don't care about what I don't care. I tell you a lot of good movies coming out. Let's think about what is it. What is some good two thousand movies? Well he actually does have one. He references specifically, but we'll get to that in a minute. Okay. All right. One thing that blew my mind was listening to this is Bill saying like as he is want to do because that is something that I used to say a lot as he is want to do as is your want to go to the point where our friend Marty De Rosa would do impressions of me saying that it was something that he made fun of me for okay and yeah to hear Bill throwing

that out. Kindred spirits if if on opposite sides of the spectrum. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. I very rarely hear anyone use that expression and yeah. It was strange. Yeah as is their want. Yeah, of course. So we're in November two thousand right. You're asking yourself what movies is Bill excited about that his friend is put on a CD in little media files media player files. Quick time dot MOV. Yeah. He's got one in particular that he is super excited about God. There's some there's some really neat stuff coming up and there's one real scary one about some people get caught in an avalanche and they go down in this crevasse and they send six people up to rescue him. If the movie is anything like the trailer are you going to be

scared to death for the whole movie? I mean just petrified sitting on the edge of your seat. Incredible stunt stuff. This way beyond the norm. Scary. At least I thought it was. I thought it was the kind of movie that will keep you riveted to the screen and keep your seat right on the edge of your chair and how long was that trailer? Your heart will be pounding. Is this buzz marketing? That sounds like a commercial for a movie. He doesn't remember the day both. Do you know what movie this is? Can you name that movie based on Bill's description? No, but I do think I saw it. I remember there being a point where there's a jump across the career thing of like cliffhanger probably. No, I'm not thinking of cliffhanger, although that was the first name that did pop

into mind. The movie he's excited to see is a vertical limit, which was released on December 8th 2000, just a few weeks after this episode was recorded. Did you watch the trailer? No, but I think I worked at the movie theater when it came out because I did see it. I remember seeing it and I never have gone. If it wasn't like work related, I can't imagine choose. I don't know. Okay, so the review on rotten tomatoes seems to not agree with Bill. You know, say how he's his review of the trailer. Yeah, their review says quote the action sequences are so over the top and piled one on top of the other. They lessen the impact on the viewer. That sounds great though. Yeah, this is completely off track, but it also is illustrative of a good point.

What's good for a trailer sometimes not good for the movie itself. The conspiracy theorist often doesn't understand this difference and it's closely related to how they often fail to understand how what works well in terms of writing a headline may not always work best in terms of telling the whole story. Very nice. Anyway, Bill is probably let down by vertical limit, but it warms my heart to hear this guy so innocently enthusiastic about this upcoming movie. It is really weird. He's not saying that this avalanche movie is secretly revealing the plots of his enemies. He just thinks the action looks good. Yeah, I know that's so that's so surprising, just on a on a like it's another one of those things that makes me frustrated with Bill Cooper

because he's so human. God damn it. He's just a child being like I really want to see the new Terminator movie when it comes out and not because there's a massive global conspiracy because Arnold Schwarzenegger is great, but I think that's even adults. I don't even think that's childish like you. I see a trailer for like the Fast and the Furious movies and I'm like I want to see that yeah fun. That looks really fun. He is just saying that looks fucking scary. Yeah that would be intense to watch. That looks great. Yeah, I think it's that it's uncomplicated. Yes, he does not consider that the trailer is full of bullshit. Wow. Yeah, you know like now that we have Marvel movies where you can see a scene in the trailer that doesn't even happen in the movie

there. You don't trust trailers. I don't trust trailers. They put all the best parts in there. It's true. Yeah, it's true. So Bill has finished his movie corner and now he takes it to the calls and his first call as a critique vertical limit about sound issues. Open topic open phones open subject open evening open mouth speak all learned one. Hello. Hi, this is Tom over here. I don't. Hi. Your feed is getting very distorted very fuzzy sounding. Nothing I can do about it. You know, because it keeps cutting out. It sounds very fuzzy. I've tried my different phone feed amp here. Well, you want to try another hookup? Yeah, sure. That's the only thing I know to do. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna check whatever is driving

your phone system there and driving the phone system. Yeah, whatever. I haven't changed anything. Everything is exactly the same as it's always been every single night, you know, like forever. So he's got some fuzziness on the line. I love that. Yeah. Open the calls for anybody who wants to talk about anything. It's tech support. Somebody calling like, Hey, man, my Wi-Fi isn't working that well. We're right now. What do you do? What do you think I should do? It may actually be a problem of Bill's uplink to the broadcast satellite or whatever. Sure. Because it does end up getting resolved, but it takes Bill a while on air trying to figure this out. He could have gone. They could have gone to a song or something like this. If there was any

production at all, but instead we get this. Okay. Well, disconnect me right now. Disconnect me right now and I'm going to reconnect. All right. I hate this. I hate this, my crappy. Here we go. Oh, I hate this. It's almost ominous. Like in a horror movie when the phone is off the line, you're like, Oh, well, obviously they're dead. This was the one marked really good. Technical difficulties.

Let's all go to the lobby and the same way that his, you know, like his movie reviews are like this naively kind of sincere, whatever this is. Yeah. That's the same thing. Like you can't handle his own tech. Can't figure this out. Just on air. I fucking the tone of voice, the tone of voice like this. I hate this. Just a little bit resigned to like this fucking happens. Now, I don't know if whatever he did fixed whatever that callers problem was or if the problem was with that caller right and there was no problem to fix no idea, but it seems like everything's better now. And so he goes and he takes another call and this guy has an interesting question to ask that actually think implicates a whole bunch of different things in the conspiracy

theory world, right? And it's actually very similar to a lot of things that Alex has pitched in the right future from this point. It even has some connection to present day narratives right that this caller has and it's largely about the idea that after the 2000 election Clinton could stay in office. Okay, Bill Clinton could end up staying in office. All right, and it's really fun to see how Bill responds to this. I was tentative vote from you, but when he wouldn't participate in those debates, he confirmed what you said about him, that he was there to lose the election. So I switched over to Brown and I'm glad I did, but now we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out because there is a possible scenario

that Clinton could use to stay in power. There is no way in the world that Clinton can stay in office beyond the day that he's supposed to leave. True, he could leave, but he could be reappointed as vice president by another by another administration and then come back in if the president will appoint him to decide to get out. I don't think that that could ever possibly happen. I don't think anyone would even consider it. So that is. Wow. That's a theory that Alex is suggesting kind of now about Hillary in some way sure has about like the Trump impeachment to bring Hillary right with Pelosi president. They got Biden and Biden is too old and then he has to drop out and who swoops in but Hillary Clinton. There were. There were even things along these

lines at the end of Obama's term. Yeah, this is just something that is a consistent preoccupation of the very dumb parts of the the right wing. Of course, it's just something that they are. They are really deeply invested in thinking is going to happen, but it's so great. The bills that is never going to happen. I really it's because if that call came on Alex's show, he would be like, oh yeah, no, they can totally steer the election and here. Let me tell you why I've actually heard from a lieutenant colonel that there's plans to to do that. Bill saying nope, shut up is a really fun thing. Yeah, and then he even goes further is like anybody who's believing that is just dumb. I've seen these emails and the websites all over the Internet

claiming that Clinton has engineered this whole thing so he won't have to leave office and he's going to still be there, you know, to be the next president. And I got to tell you, you know, there's a lot of people out there aren't playing with the full deck of cards. There's nothing between your ears. If you just sit down and read the law, you find out that that cannot happen, not in a million years. The only way it could happen is for Clinton to throw the Constitution and the law in the trash can declare himself dictator and he would have to have the military behind him. So you're saying there's a way it could happen. That's what I hear because I listen to Alex Jones. So what you're saying is this guy said, let's call him Clinton would have to declare

that he has total authority and because the military military behind is a lot filled with right wing reactionary type folks, they would have to be directly behind the president. Are you saying that's is that what Bill Cooper is suggesting? I mean that's the way that Bill is saying that could happen and it can't happen in the circumstances surrounding Bill. Yeah, particularly because as Bill explains in this next clip, the military does not like Bill Clinton. After the last eight years of destroying the military and having everybody in the military absolutely hating his guts and being a draft dodger. Now, just what do you stupid jerks think is the chances of the military supporting Clinton if he declared himself dictator? I mean, sometimes I

think this, you know, it goes beyond sheeple. It's like stupid, dumb, idiot, jerk, you know, rocks. It's like they're rocks. At least sheeple have a brain even if they can't use it. You know, rocks don't have don't even have a brain. I mean, just yeah, man. I feel you. I just want to make sure that everybody knows that that last caller is he's got rocks for brains. He's beyond sheeple. That may as well be a so stupid. He might as well be a rock. Now he's calling again. It's interesting to because I don't know this to be the case, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex was trafficking in some of those theories around this time. I wouldn't be too surprised right because you think I've seen websites putting this out. Sure. I'd be too surprised if it was

fucking prison planet. I mean, I don't know. It really could be. Yeah. Now one thing that I found that was really interesting as I was going through some of these episodes. There are things that like obviously this wouldn't be a whole episode, but I think that Bill hated Alex a lot more than even we recognized. Yeah, there were a couple points. You know like obviously he did an episode about being a liar. Yeah. He did an episode about his Y2K show. Right. These are like things that he did and you know, fine. I think that he brings him up a bit more than, than even we recognize because here's a clip where he's right after 9 11. Bill is talking about the, how everyone's in a panic about anthrax. Yeah. And how everyone should just calm down. There's no need to get

crazy about this. And he takes an opportunity to take a swing at Alex. Another place at construction sites. This is a construction site. Listen to me carefully, people. This is a construction site. They're performing construction on this site. They're building and cutting things and putting up drywall and cutting drywall and cutting holes in drywall and places for electrical outlets and all of a sudden somebody looked around and saw a white powder on the floor. Oh my God, we're under biological attack. We're all gonna die. Good thing Alex Jones wasn't there. He would have evacuated whole Florida. As stupid as he is. Get him. Get him, Bill.

Yeah, man. I think, I think if I were to listen to all of his episodes, it'd be very difficult because there is a fucking 1500 of them or something. I think that you'd end up finding a number of pot shots like that. I think that he probably held his tongue or like didn't care for a while. Sure. Two of them got into a little bit of a like, oh wait, this guy sucks. He's lying right right right and Bill started taking taking shots. Yeah, I enjoy it. I bet he takes it a lot more personally than we would like, of course, because Alex is ruining his ideas by parroting that sort of, you know, like he's the real shit and Alex is becoming more popular at this time. Yeah, not more popular than him. Maybe I don't know, but certainly more popular. He's

becoming ascendant. Yeah, and that's that's a man going like why if that's kind of how I feel like? Why is it that bullshit is so much better than the better at getting the attention than the truth? Well, because Bill's not really giving the truth necessary. Exactly. It's it's a it's a weird thing because he is more right about some things and they'm completely wrong about other things, but I mean from his perspective, right, right. Yes, like he has that bill proceeds to be a good faith effort to get to the bottom of exactly. Yes is being kind of hurt by the actions of Alex, like he if I were Bill, I would think that Alex is going to fuck around and ruin everything because he gives what he's trying to do a bad name, right gives a public face of a crazy person

yelling into a bullhorn when it's, you know, I'm actually sitting here reading, right, right, right can conceivably. I'm doing the info part of info war and you're sucking at everything. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. I think Bill really hated out. Yeah. But anyway, back to the call in show Bill gets another caller and this is the again as you pointed out this show was labeled really good evening here on the earth. Yeah, I'm going to change the subject here a little bit. That's fine. It's open topic and talk about whatever you are. Yeah, I just received from the company, a radio catalog. And I'm listening on a very beautiful set with a very every night you are jammed with Monticello main an hour before you can wait. Well,

well, well, I don't take it. I don't take reception reports. There's nothing I can do about it. So why waste the airtime that I'm paying for somebody's listening out there. And I want, you know, talk about something else. It has to do with the I don't take interest. Talk about something else. If you want to talk about that call WBC, they can do something about it. I can you have their number I'm trying to do a radio broadcast here folks. He's trying. He's trying to do a radio broadcast. He's called. I want an hour of tech support. Yeah, I want all of his fans to call it and be like, we're going to get this sorted out. And then at the end, the last five minutes, they're like,

this is perfect. That caller thinks that he's calling in to say like, Hey, someone's jamming. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's a conspiracy fun angle to it. But Bill is just like I'm not. This is not what this show is for. Look, you just probably some other problem even goes on to be like, All right, fine. Fine. Get like a radio transmitter identification thing and figure out where the jamming is coming from and then report it. There's solar storms going on. That's much more likely to be affecting your radio than somebody jamming the signal. Like oh man, I bet he would love carry. He I think that he starts to get a little bit peeve. Yeah, of course he wants to do a call

and show about crazy shit and he's getting tech support. Well, it's unfortunate though, because sometimes calls do come in like this next guy who does want to talk about something a little bit crazy. But Bill does not have time for it. Good evening. You're on the air. Yes. So this is Mike in Philadelphia. Hi, Mike. How you doing? Good. I have a question for you. I would like to know what is the 33rd degree of Freemasonry? I heard you talk about it before where you said something like the Grand Inspector General is linked. Well, you said a king of earth. What? You weren't listening to me. I don't know who you were listening to, but you sure weren't listening to me. Oh, okay. Now, what is the 33rd degree? You don't have time to even learn that

in the amount of time that you're going to be on this telephone. You need to go and listen to the Mystery Babylon series on the Internet. That's why I put them is 43 hours, I think, 42 hours. Now, how much would that cost to listen through the Internet? I don't know. Go to the website and find out. You're welcome. He has become the human avatar of let me Google that for you. Yeah, it's just what the you got to be disappointed if you're him. I think this is really good. No, I do too, but you got to be disappointed. This is just a just a cadre of two time losers like you got like that and to be fair in Bill's defense. He did do a forty three part series that's true. So that is true. Yeah, which is also something I want to cover, but again,

it's a forty three part might be too big. Yeah, no, I'm going to do it. Okay, okay, before we're done with before you die. Yeah, I might die in the middle of it, but before we're done with this podcast, either as a human or a ghost, we will cover all of Bill's Mystery Babylon man. Our podcast will be so popular in hell. Yeah. Oh God. I think we could do it remotely. Zoom so at this point, the phone lines go a little cold. Yeah, everybody's got everybody's gotten yelled at. Yep. I was afraid Bill going to be mean to me now. Yep. So Bill makes a declaration five to zero three three three four five seven eight is the number and we'll sit here and wait for the next call. If there is no next call, I'll just go to bed.

Pause. So what's going on here? The silence. The reason that he's waiting for a caller is because there is no hold. Right. There is no phone board. It is just when the phone rings, there's a caller. We pick it up. You are on air talking to a caller. No one can call in. Yeah, because there's a busy. Yeah. Yes. So when he says I got to wait for a call or I'm going to bed, he is straight up waiting for a call. Well, I'm going to queue up some going to bed music here. Let me see. Oh, somebody calling. Good evening. You're on the air. Hello. Chicken plucker. Goodbye.

That's got to be disappointing. This is a grumpy old man. I had to get a call or I'd go to bed. No calls. Some calls in. They're not there. Calls them a chicken plucker and that's his way of not cursing on air, although he ends up cussing a bit. Yeah. Well, obviously this is a very frustrating episode. I would imagine. Yeah, I mean, I guess he's supposed to go to bed now, but yeah, no. He does end up getting a call pretty quickly after this. He does not get to his going to bed music and this caller is basically on the same sort of tip as the guy who's saying a Clinton could stay in office. Yeah, same sort of idea. I believe his point was more about like Congress choosing a vice president right right in these circumstances

and then Bill gets a little mad at him. Hello. Oh, Bill. I couldn't hear you. Hey, I want to ask you. Turn your radio off. Right. I wanted to ask you. All right. Thing one that's been aired about if this thing has to go to the to the Senate and the Congress and the Senate about about taking a vice president or not. Have you heard anything on that? Read your constitution. It's all there. Okay. All right. It's written in English. Very easy to understand. We've talked about it a million times on this broadcast. You should have a copy of the Constitution if you're an American. I do. Well, you do. How come you can't

read it? Huh? I don't get out of here. Oh, yeah, I got one. Well, how come you can't read? Oh, I missplaced it. You never had one to start with. You're a bullshit artist. Oh, man, I could listen to grumpy old Don Rickles all day. Yeah. Yeah. Just just a weird Patriot conspiracy theorist who is fucking fed up. Read your goddamn constitution. You moron because what's great about it is like on one level. Bill's right. These callers are trash. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Bring a knife to the table. I agree. It's his time. You know, like it's a show. He's trying to do a show. These people are calling it with stupid shit. You kind of feel for it. Don't trifle with

me. God damn it. You kind of feel for it, but at the same time you can't be too mad because these are the people that he has cultivated. I know. So I don't know, man. It's it's very conflicting, but I would. I would absolutely listen to hours and hours of bill just being like progressively more mad. Yeah. At it is listening. Oh, absolutely. But I do want to know what his bedtime music is though. I would really like to know what probably some deep cut by the beach boys. You think so? I don't know. So in this next little bit is where things kind of turn around. There's a decent caller. Okay, and he has a question about photography for bill. Good evening. You're on the air. Hey, Bill. How you doing? You're great. Great. I understand you're into

photography, too. Yeah, love it. I'm just getting into the whole thing myself, student in college, and pretty exciting. Black and white photography. Oh, yeah. That's I like that probably the best, but it's only great if you have a dark room. Well, there you go. Now, luckily, I have access to the the dark room there at the college and public college. Yeah, it's really something and I heard you talking one time about info at him. Yeah, I think some of his work and I would have liked to see that museum you went to with all the great card effect. Oh, that was absolutely magnificent. It just made everything like three dimensional, completely changed. The vibe of the show is totally different. Yep. Bill doesn't let the anger that he feels towards those other callers

carry over into the next caller. He treats everyone like an individual. Sure. This caller wants to talk about photography. I love photography. Let's talk about it like happy civilized people. I could be still mad at the guy who lied to me about having a constitution. Absolutely. That's kind of nice. That's that's a little bit more adult than you see with Alex, where one caller will ruin him for a day. Yeah, and the inverse caller is the one who would infuriate Alex so much. I'm not going to talk about fucking photography. You need a dark room. Yeah, I do love that. He's a conspiracy theorist. He's just like, yeah, let's talk about photography black and white. That's my favorite. Well, in the same way that you know, as we were talking about with

the movies, yeah, like it's a human thing. He likes this movie. He's excited to see vertical impact. He also has hobbies like he has. He's a fully drawn person. Yeah, like he's someone who yeah, I love taking pictures like I was putting them in the dark room. And Bill gets to talking about how he has his own dark room. Oh, yeah, the studio is in my dark room in my dark room right now. That's why you've heard reference. Sometimes I've had guests in here on the radio and they've made reference to staring at a black wall. I'm standing in front of this microphone staring at a black wall. That's all about that. Yeah, that's all about this is the dark room.

Yeah, I do it all. Nothing is being done in here right now because I had to pack up all my dark room stuff to put the studio in here when I moved it in here. But very quickly, now that the other room has been finished for a long time, we're going to be carting stuff out of there and all this stuff is going to come out of the dark room. The dark room is going to be used for what it was meant to be used for and the studio will be in the other room in the big room. Bill has like artistic creative interests outside of his conspiracy theory stuff and that is that I mean it has to go a long way. Yeah, in terms of like, you know, Alex's interests outside of it are drinking. Yeah, and

doing commercials again for his product. Yeah, you know, yelling at his staff like doesn't appear that there's anything like he doesn't paint. He doesn't right. He doesn't write poetry or he doesn't have anything that seems to be a passion outside of this. The info war. Yeah, and it's been that way for twenty something years like his entire career. I don't know because you can't call his documentaries anything other than a slightly different extension of his show. So absolutely. It's it's interesting because a bill's not taken pictures of fake documents or something and then and then developing them. Yeah, they're going to be like a landscape or so. Yeah, or a cardinal, a beautiful cardinal in black and white, which kind of defeats

the purpose, but still good. It's interesting. He's an interesting person. Yeah, hobbies. I'd like to find some of his prints. I yeah like it like I feel like they would be. They would be worth as much as Kanye West High School drawing sold for. I think that would probably yeah. I imagine whoever would have them wouldn't part with them. It seems like. Did he have kids? Yes. Oh man. He had a couple kids. I don't know exactly how many because again in the same way with Alex personal lives are not the most interesting thing. No for sure. But yeah, definitely they might have the the prince. Yeah, maybe I don't think they would part with them either. That's probably true. My wall will remain bare. Yeah. So that call was a delight. The two of them had a great time. Yeah,

sitting there talking. That sounds great. And we move along to another call. Good evening. You mentioned the other night that one of the churches that bought the school was at the Mormon Church. Yes. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Absolutely. That stirs up people too. Boy, they don't like to hear that asked and answered. That's the whole call. He is saying that the Mormon Church bought Pepsi. That's so different from Alex. Alex would have spun a simple question into its own nonsense all the way over here and he'd not be like, Oh, the Mormon Church bought Pepsi and be like the Mormon Church has done all kinds of evil things throughout time and history and it's a fake cult and all that shit. Maybe. Yeah. Instead,

Bill just gives a yes or no answer. You bet. And he's wrong. All right. Pepsi is not owned by the moment. Absolutely not owned by the Mormon Church. This is a like sort of long standing old sort of conspiracy myth. It was originally Pepsi and then later iterations of it were coke. Yeah, it all just goes back to the sort of conceptions that Mormons can't drink caffeine. Right. And it's sort of like a hypocritical so that. Oh, they're hypocritical. That's one piece of it. Caffeine Pepsi. No one piece of it is like that hypocrisy argument. Sure. Then the other piece is that the Church of Latter Day Saints does have like a for profit side of it. Yeah. Oh, for sure they do have like a lot of holdings. I think it was last year. Someone came out and actually had a

list right of the firm. The things that were invested in sure. It was like Google alphabet all the JP Morgan like a ton of like really big investments. Yeah, but in the same way of Joseph Smith taken quite a bit off the top. The Mormon Church just has to keep that going. Absolutely. I do think that that existing is a part of why those conspiracies bubbled up. Sure. The idea that they had bought these various companies and there was something untoward going on then and because of that and because of the like sort of I don't know the intrinsic otherness of Mormons right right to two people in Patriot communities in particular very staunch Christian absolutist types. America has a long track record of hating Mormons. Yeah, it's from the jump. Yeah,

so it's it's ripe for conspiracies and just one that's lingered forever. Yeah, even to like fairly recent days. Yeah, you get bored with all the shit the Vatican owns. True. You know you got to find some other church to do some hypocritical bullshit. You know sometimes you just need a new flavor. Yeah, absolutely like a Coke or a Pepsi. Cherry Coke. Yeah, that is that is yes. So this next clip this next caller is kind of a bummer is a little bit of a sad story this guy has he got attacked and then can now no longer read. So he wants to ask Bill what can I do now that I can't read and it's a really interesting question. Yeah, and Bill I think the bill responds as well as you can but I I don't know I have a lot of feelings about this call. Okay,

I just need some I just need some help. Okay. Well, what is it? Okay, a couple years ago up in where I live someone attacked me and smashed me in my head. So beyond that I can't read anymore. So what can I do to help out people without being able to read? I cannot read anything. What can I do? I got my whole house set up. I have all the equipment I need you know the kerosene heaters stored and everything and food stored and water stored everything. But what can I do when you can't read? And what is it that you want to do? I don't know. I studied electronics for years and years and I can't do that anymore because I can't read. I just want to help us. You know, I want to help this country. I want to help everybody. I don't know what to do anymore.

I don't know what to do. Find somebody that can read for you. That's what I would do. Just find somebody to help you read. But beyond reading is there some other thing I can do? I don't understand what is it that you want to do? I want to help this country. I want to help us. The best thing to do is find out what the truth is and teach it to other people. Wake them up. Okay. Don't try to shove it down their throat. You know, leave stuff laying around. Okay. Mention, casually mention things in conversation. And if you do it right, people say, well, what's that? You know, and then you can read them into a conversation and tell them about it. But make sure you know what you're talking about and make sure you always tell the truth. Okay. Thank you. I understand what I'm

telling you. Very good. Don't spread rumors. Don't spread rumors. Man, I really don't think I would say don't spread rumors to a guy who can't read because of an attack. Yeah. I mean, the caller, the situation he's presenting is really sad. No, that's that's the most terrifying thing I can imagine. Yeah, but I also think that a lot of bills advice. I mean, find someone to read for you is fine advice. Although I imagine it might be difficult to find someone to read as much as you might want to read on your own. Yeah, so that could be tough. But then some of the other stuff the bills talking about like find out the truth and tell people doesn't that require reading. That's what I was thinking while he was saying that. I was like how do I end audio books like

nobody is doing an audio book of these lunatic conspiracy theory books. Some might be maybe they did. I think you might be able to find some in some weird catalogs. Yeah, that's that's newsletters might have things you could order. Yeah, you got to read the newsletter. Can't do that. No, you could listen. He's clearly can listen to bill. Yeah, he could take whatever bill tells him at face value right and assume that's as good as reading which goes against what bill preaches. Right? Yeah, that's the difficult. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's quite a conundrum and it's a lot much longer call. He ends up talking to this guy for quite a while. Yeah, and you know he gets around to being fairly trying to be really encouraging about. Yeah,

you can teach yourself things again. Yeah, like you you can. I don't because the guy doesn't he's not specific about what his injury was or anything. I have no idea if this is accurate or not sure, but bill was just giving him a lot of like you you can put your mind to it and work really hard and you can read again. I kind of yeah. Yeah, I don't know you even yourself. Yeah, it's inspirational and also. I don't know the just not the inspirational parts good, but the actual advice that he's giving it kind of is just repeat things you've heard on my show. Exactly. Functionally, because otherwise or it is get a live in reader or something. Yeah, an assistant to read to you, which I don't think is within the reach of most people. I don't think

you're going to afford that. I guess if you're married, maybe you could have your spouse read you. That's going to put a lot of strain on yeah relationship. If you take it too far and your wife isn't particularly interested. Yeah, there would be a true believer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in this next clip bill talks about his show from the night before and I tried to find this but it's not on the website. So I don't I can't find what the actual show is, but he talks about it a little bit and apparently what he did is he played the same song over and over again like he was doing a music show. Yeah, and if I understand correctly, the point he was trying to make is about how we keep talking about the same thing with this election. Sure. And

no one's tired of talking about the same thing and he plays the same song sort of. Yeah, yeah, artistically make that point or whatever and he describes it in a way that is maybe accurate. You had so many programs here lately about, you know, all the forces in Florida and everything and last night you seem like you lost your mind. You were so sick of the mess and everything. No, I didn't lose my mind. I was making a point. You had a manic night. Do you ever hear of satire? Do you ever hear of satire? Last night was an hour of satire. I know it. You had a manic night. Yes, I'm known for my satire as well. So what would Bill I mean,

without hearing it, I can't really accurately say, but it's closer to what might be described as satire. Yeah, based on what I understand the show to be right, right, right. Alex, I could easily see thinking. I mean, like what this caller is describing is Bill lost his mind right that satire, which is which is what Alex thinks satire exactly. Yeah, that was a calculated thing. You don't you didn't lose your mind. You were specifically making a point through something that you think is absurd. Yeah, and I'm not saying that I think that Alex listened to that and misunderstood what satire is. It's just interesting that one guy does understand satire. This is so wild because the the right is criminally incapable of understanding what satire is.

It is simply not within their bounce and that Bill Cooper is both this this wacky man. It's it's strange. I think he's a complicated man. I think bill would be exiled from a lot of the right wing communities if you were still alive today. Yeah, unless he changed a lot of the things he believes right because I was listening to a number of his episodes from like after nine eleven. Yeah, and like he was talking a ton about how the the people who did this were not doing it for no reason right there. There is a geopolitical reason why someone would commit a terrorist attack against the United States. I thought it was because they hate our freedoms. I just think that he would have like the the president declared himself king. I

think Bill Cooper hopefully would maintain some based on the way that I've that we've seen him. It seems like he is a staunchly committed to his principles and capable of accepting information which is a a rare thing. You also thought he was going to buy Gannett. That is true. He's a complicated man. The the thing that I always I always camp decipher and I probably never will be able to is that like if Alex had died years ago, you never would have thought he would join Trump either. Yeah, that's true like it's not it's not inconceivable to me that bill would change with the time somewhat, but he doesn't ever in any of the episodes that I've listened to from his show. He never seems to be as chasing of anything as Alex is Alex through almost all of this seems

very desperate. He seems very much needing of something sure. I mean he the way he goes around with a bullhorn is early career right trying to make spectacles of things. Yeah, like that is desperate behavior and I feel like bill is more like let things come right and so I don't think he would show. He's letting callers come even if they're just asking for tech support. Yeah, and he's just annoyed. Yeah, he's just annoyed. So that caller was talking about the issue with like you. You're not voting for the president. Electors are voting for the president, which apparently was a part of bills satire piece and so the caller is like I don't know why you were talking about that. You talk about that a lot. You don't understand satire. You've talked about

that issue a number of times. Why did you talk about it? I know that they're not voting for electors. It's supposed to be this fiat election for president and I was confused why you were bringing it up. You know why you were is an even issue because you already spent time teaching people or trying to bring their attention to. That doesn't mean they listened to me. How many times have I told people to get a copy of the Constitution? It's very short. It's written in English. Anybody can understand it and how many times every night when I open the phones, you hear people call to still have it. Got a copy of the Constitution. Have a credit and try to bullshit me like this one guy did tonight and try to tell me he had it when I knew damn well. He's

never seen one. So I mean like Bill has a keen awareness that his audience is not like they don't listen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fascinating. I guess I guess if you I suppose if you're dealing with any kind of like ideals towards education, it has to be a near like constant stream of people disappointing you from time, you know. Yeah. You have to get over that pretty early or probably won't last. Yeah, exactly. And you also have to have a lot of patience properly. He does remind me of like a social studies teacher I had in junior high of just like that. I've been doing this for 30 years. You're not the first kid to ask me this question. Yeah. I am sick of people telling me that the Constitution says some shit. It doesn't

fucking do your homework asshole. You. Everybody gets a D. You read the Constitution. Yes. Yeah. Where is it? I misplaced it. I misplaced. Get the fuck out. Bullshitter. Yeah. And I think that that's again. It does just keep coming back to more human things like that's a very human way to understand the people who are listening to you without getting mad at them. Yeah. Like maybe you'll be mad at individuals periodically based on the way that they're interacting with you, but like Alex hates his audience. Oh yeah to the point where he fears interacting with them as we've seen multiple times. Yeah. In his career and I don't think Bill hates his audience, but he definitely hates some of these callers. Yeah. Oh yeah. 100 percent and he only hates or is mad

at anybody because they're disappointed. Yeah. They are not. They're not. They're not living up to what he wants them to be, which is very teacherly. You're calling into my show. Don't bullshit me. That seems like a really simple thing to do and Alex can't do it because he's entirely bullshit. Whereas Bill thinks that he's the one who's telling the truth here. Yeah. That's interesting. So this same caller here who has had a little bit of time on the show here and your audio is pretty fuzzy right now. No. He ends the show, but or his call by saying that Bill is the greatest living Patriot. Okay. Yes, you are a great teacher, sir. And as I said, I do believe you are the greatest living Patriot. So thank you. That's a great compliment, sir.

You and I salute you. I feel like I've told you before. I tell everybody about you all the time. And I salute you, sir. And if I was in Arizona, I would gladly serve in your militia, sir. Well, thank you. Yes, sir. You have a good night, sir. You too. Be that as it may, my greatest hero is that young Chinese lad who stopped those 17 tanks in their tracks. He must have been scared to death. I just revere that young now wish like I hope I can meet him before I die. I think Bill died like a year after this. Yeah. I did not think he ended up meeting the tank. I doubt it. It's kind of sad. That's a little bit of a bummer. I almost think that like I'm imagining this. And I think Bill Cooper would have listened to Greta Thunberg

speech at the UN and just been like God damn it. I disagree with everything she said, but way to take it to those assholes. Maybe I don't think so because I think I would. I don't think that he was into climate change. That's fair, but I don't know if you caught the second join your militia. No, the second very specific expression that I use all the time be that as it may. Yes, now we have as is their want and be that as it may on the same episode of the show. I worry. I worry. Yeah. Yeah. How does reincarnation work? How many kids does he have? And how old would they be right about now? And were you secretly adopted conceivably?

I could be. I think it's possible. I think we just found something crazy. I gotta go talk to my dad. No, I don't think. I don't think that is the case. I wonder though and you were born in Texas. I wasn't okay. Well, then never mind. So in this next clip, it's weird because you hear stuff about Hillary on this this episode and it's like. Wait a second. Bill is just leaving office in 2000. So I forgot that Hillary ran for senator in New York while Bill was still ending his term. Yep. I had completely forgot that that was the overlap. And so of course, Hillary is a subject that that comes up. And so what Bill believes, I'll let him I'll let him spell that what they will do is Hillary Clinton and she's already said it and I've already told you

about it. She's going to introduce an amendment to do away with the electoral college and have the vast unwashed ignorant herd actually elect the president and vice president. Bill does not like democracy. Not a big fan. No, but that you know, that's pretty consistent with a lot of the right wing. Yeah, they don't like the idea of like popular vote stuff. Right, right, right, but we get the tyranny of the majority. You know that whole thing. She didn't do that and the irony that he could never have guessed is that 18, 16 years later, had she have done that, she would be president. That is very funny. Yeah, that is that is that is a sad thought. It's a very sad thought. It's very weird in all Hillary in 2000. He's saying Hillary is

going to get rid of the electoral college in 2016. Hillary loses the presidency because of the electoral college. It's it is kind of ironic that it's doubly her fault that she lost that she lost the election. She lost the election in 2000. That's when she lost the election for president in 2016. That's fascinating. So we get another caller here who says he has he has it when he wants to talk about Al Gore, right, right Al Gore, his daughter is married to someone from the shift family, the shift fortune. Okay, and so he speculates about how the shifts that were connected with the Rothschilds and Bill has an interesting response to this one. One other observation I'd like to make okay reading a time magazine article Al Gore in the past. Yeah, it says something

how his daughter had gone to Washington and somebody had hooked him her up with somebody who was interesting. And she married this doctor who was a doctor shift. And in the article in time magazine, they mentioned that this doctor shift was the heir to the Jacob shift fortune. And they referred to Jacob shift as the turn of the century industrialists, you know. And as far as my recollections are, Jacob shift was supposed to have grown up in the home of the Rothschilds. We're supposed to have lived almost on the second floor. Well, wait a minute, there's a lot of rumors floating around about this kind of stuff. I, you know, I could find no verification for that whatsoever. I see. None whatsoever. And I'm talking about the part where he grew up with the Rothschild.

I can find absolutely no verification for that at all period. So that you'd never hear no, Alex. Absolutely not. No. He'd like. Yeah, absolutely. So from the Rothschilds, you know, tell you about a baron Rothschild, crash the economy, blah, blah, blah, blah, waterloo, right, right, right. Yeah, that that's like hold on now. There's a lot of rumor. Yeah, there's a lot of rumor here. I'm so interested. I almost have no interest in what he does believe, and I'm so much more interested in what he rejects. You know, because that defines because Alex doesn't seem to reject anything other than Q, which he secretly loves and probably believes in or whatever it is. Most likely. Yeah, but, but what he rejects creates this kind of series of boundaries

that he'll act within as far as what conspiracy theories he chooses to believe or not. And the boundaries are, are really fascinating in comparison to Alex. You're not. Who doesn't seem to have it. He does. Alex does have boundaries. Anything that's pro left, anything that's pro multiculturalism, pro feminist, pro, lgbtq, right? I mean in his world any. Yes, anything that is conceivably right wing, he'll go along with. Yeah, yeah, because he's a he's a leader of the info war. Exactly. He's absolutely the leader. I do. I do agree with you because the I don't agree necessarily that Alex has no boundaries, but they're much weirder. Yeah, yeah, but the but the what you don't put up with or what you don't believe does give like a framework. Yeah, you

have to find out what you're not before you can really find out what you are and in some ways that's a sign of somebody who actually thinks they believe something. Yeah, because bill is willing to be like, no, I don't do that. Yeah, no, that's a rumor. You can't prove that and I've I've looked into it. I can't prove that right that introduces a barrier for like his ability to go down that road for sure and Alex wouldn't do that. That's another thing that you say to what I could find absolutely no evidence of this. Yeah, it's not it's not as much as trademarked a phrase. So you know it's great to hear things like this where bill is saying like that's a rumor. You can't prove that, but at the same time you also says stuff like this. Okay, Bill,

and make no mistake about it. Al Gore is a dedicated Marxist and his goal is world communism. Okay, Bill, I just want to thank you for all that you've done to educate us all and God bless you and God keep you God bless you too. Thank you for calling so Al Gore is a dedicated Marxist who's trying to bring in world communism. Is that a rumor? I can find no verification of that. I've looked into it right so it's it's that double-edged sword of like yeah he'll push back on some things that are brought to him right, but he doesn't apply the same level of criticism towards the things that maybe he's already accepted exactly and deemed proven and that that creates a little bit of a problem. Yeah, so you have one last clip here and it's a caller

who's trying to it's unclear exactly what he's trying to do, but okay it seems like what he's trying to say is that women shouldn't be allowed to teach. Bill, for the third time in this episode shuts that shit down. When people enter into spiritual fornication, with other words, serving other gods beside the Lord and in particular when you have a situation where Apostle Paul says that the woman he will not allow a woman to teach and to have authority over men. When people disobey this word or this command, which is Old Testament command as well, then you will have other spirits. Well, well, well, wait a minute. We don't allow preaching on this broadcast and that's your opinion. Yeah, this is factual. No, that's your opinion. Good

night. Good night, folks. God bless each and every single one of you. Good night, Andy Poon Allison. I love you. So to answer your question about the kids, I think he ends his show saying he loves his kids. Yeah. But I mean, hey man, that's a dude calling in some fundamentalist ass shit and builds like that is your opinion. Yeah, that's really good. That's a great answer to that. Yeah, we don't allow preaching on the show, although he does. Of course he does. No, of course he does. Absolutely. He preaches himself sometimes, not not the same way that Alex does, but there is still some, you know, some definite religious inclinations. Yeah, I would be interested to know if he fake prayed on on air. I've certainly not encountered it. Yeah, nothing that crass. Yeah,

but like his his belief in God seems to be sincere. Yeah, and then secondarily it also seems kind of functional. Like there's a there are sometimes where he's expressing things that kind of go along the lines of like Pascal's wager. Yeah, yeah, like if you believe in God and he doesn't exist, there's no you're going to lose. Yeah, and if you don't believe in God and he does exist, you're fucked. Yeah, so why not just believe in him? No matter what, it works out better. Right, right, right. He has some like things that I've heard him say that kind of go in that direction. And then the other thing is that he believes that without the existence of a deity creator endowed rights don't exist. And because of that, you know, states can come in

and rule your lives. Yeah, and that's why communists want to get rid of religion, because if they get rid of religion, they get rid of the concept of creator endowed rights and I think that he just has some sort of a belief that fundamental rights can't exist outside of them being bestowed by a deity. Yeah, yeah, and I think at least in the in the episodes I've listened to it seems like a lot of his primary primary interest in religion comes from those places, which I think is interesting and I also don't hate that much. Right. I don't agree with them, but I don't hate it that much. No, I mean, that's that's kind of the part about like being against communism because you think they're going to destroy God. Well, of course, in order to get rid of it. Right. Right. Is the

opiate of the masses because we want to destroy God and take away human rights seems like an odd twist. Right, but but it's not as bad as Alex's no sort of religious bend. Now it is like in in a way it is a kind of functional thought process in the sense that if you believe that there is a creator that gives you rights that reinforces your superiority to the natural world, otherwise we're all, you know, like Tennyson, you know, we're nature, red and tooth and claw, you know that kind of thing. So without that idea of creator endowed rights or or punishment for negative moral actions, he probably believes that people would just go insane and start killing each other all over the place. Probably something along those lines. Maybe which is because there's

no God. So you know in the same Pascal's wager. Why not? I mean, I guess that would be the flip side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. He's a he's a fascinating weirdo who's similar to Alex in a lot of ways and also completely dissimilar. I think it's really interesting that at least three instances on this episode. His episodes are only an hour long. Yeah. So it's like three times within an hour of taking calls. And by the way, I mean what was it the first 15, 20 minutes of the episode was a disaster at least, but three times he was able to have a caller who said something. He's like fuck that. Yeah. Fuck that. That's that's good stuff. Yeah. And you know it indicates to a like complete lack of concern. Yeah. With turning this person off. Yeah. They're not resources to

him. Yeah. They're people who he wants to get a message. Right. And that's pretty you know that's pretty fundamentally different than the way Alex sees his audience. It's pretty clear that they're just people to market to their cash. Yeah. He gets dollar signs in his eyes if he hears that his audience grew. Yeah. Not like I've I have greater reach to spread my message. None of that. And who knows if it might have been different earlier, but it's certainly not in the last years for sure. The pursuit of money will kill you and whatever that is William Shakespeare. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. TJ Thomas Jefferson paraphrased it later on. Indeed. Yep. So yeah man. I don't know. This is this is an interesting little trip. I am glad to be able

to I know that I've made reference to Bill's call in shows in the past about how clunky it is. Yeah. And then also how he treats his audience much differently than Alex does. And I think it's it's nice to take a little glimpse at this. Yeah. And I actually be able to see it demonstrated as opposed to just like oh he does this for sure. So there's this and I don't know. I think the next time we dip it that dip that into bill. I think we we got to we got to be undertaking one of these bigger projects. Yeah. Something more substantive. Yeah. And I think I want to do it as much as I enjoy tech support calls. There's nothing really to research other than ham radios. I guess I would what you need to look into. I mean I would like to know more about that guy's model.

That's true. So we'll see about that. If I think I think I'll probably get get to work on some of that stuff and see if we can't crank something out in the near future. But we'll be back on Friday. Maybe Alex will be back a platform right Friday. It really honestly depends on if he's in studio tomorrow. Yeah. I don't know. But we'll see. But until then we have a website. We do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan. Yes. We are also on Facebook. We are on Facebook. If you like to download the show please go to I choose Ray Lee review page. Donate to a local charity and I love you. We'll be back. But until then I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am Bill Cooper's

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