Knowledge Fight - #449: June 23-24, 2020

Episode Date: June 26, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on a very exhausting couple days on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex tries to launch a distasteful and racist national movement destined for failure, decides he now hates Gov. Abbott, and consoles two of his friends who've recently lost their social media.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a huge fan of your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no, no, knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm down. I'm Jordan. We're cool. Well, that was intense. Yeah, it was two. That's very off scale. Too much. Okay. Fair enough. I guess we're like to scale it down a little bit. Drink now. Do you ever do some talk a little bit about Alex Jones? Yes. Yes. Yeah.

He did. Oh boy. Right at the gate. Something is wrong. I don't know what it is. No, I think this is great. I think this is great. Okay. I just I got a little overexcited up top. Did you start doing hot yoga? Did not. Okay. I just exercised more recently. So I got all that energy going on. You got to start taking sedatives. Something. I don't know what it is, but that is not okay. Got to start taking sedatives. That's the nicest thing you've ever said. I'm used to you yelling all the time and even somehow that was you know what it was. It was a second into our show. It is too much. Too much. All right. Fair enough. Anyway, this is a podcast. What's up? Your hand up. Can I can I ask a question? What's

up Jordan? I got my head raised. I Dan. Yeah. What's your bright spot today? Why don't you start? I'm going to go. Okay. My bright spot is I finally bit the bullet and I was done with all the side quests and you decided to start yelling horizon zero. That's great. I played the final quest, the frozen wild. Yeah. Played a lot of it DLC part. Haven't finished all of that, but I played a lot of it, but I finally played the main storyline and it's fantastic. Yeah. Great. Great ending. It's going to be great. I don't think it's going to be out until next year. Probably the sequel sequel, but that's good because I don't want to buy play station five. Have you seen how big they are? Yeah, I don't know. I always

get really mad whenever there's new systems out because it's like this is how they scam you. They lure these games that you want to play and you have to buy the system in order to play them and then they're obsolete and there's a new system. Yeah, I get really I turn into a cranky old man. Whenever there's, I everyone else is so excited about the new system. No, I'll tell you what beta was a better format. It was you had a time stamp on it. It was way better. Everything past Atari is a mistake. It's a failure. Yeah, that's good. Congratulations for you and Aloy. Oh yeah. Yeah, she's doing great. Yeah. So here's my bright spot and it dovetails into the year of the

so we are now a hundred fifty two seltzers into the year of the seltzer and that is a moment that deserves a little bit of a celebration. So that's why it's my bright spot. It's a milestone. A hundred fifty seltzers crazy. That's really amazing in like two months. Yeah, that's that's a lot of seltzer. It is. That's a lot of seltzer. And I think that there are some people out there. There's some people who are like giving good natured ribbing about not liking seltzers themselves. Sure. And I'm like, Hey, fine. This isn't going to become a seltzer podcast. This is just the thing that I'm doing this year to bring some sort of normalcy. Yeah, into the other. Otherwise, we're just going to be sitting here talking

about Alex Jones all the time and it's weird. Yeah, it's terrifying. There's some things in life that you can still enjoy and I enjoy bubbly waters. Right. But the other thing I wanted to bring sharp focus to is now one hundred fifty seltzers in. If you look at the top five seltzers that we have, there are two that are from Mars Brewery that I wouldn't have known even existed as they made seltzers. Yeah, before starting this course, not there is a tie for fifth now between Laquaw to Laquaw flavors. Okay, you got lemon cello and hibiscus hibiscus. Yes, both at the eighty eighty out of a hundred. All right, I wouldn't have ever tried either of those. Of course, it wasn't some sort of thing where I'm trying

all of these naturally. Aha, black cherry coffee is in the number two on the list of the top five. That's another one. I never would have tried if I wasn't doing this and it's fantastic. Absolutely. And then three out of the top five pedal, the elderberry white tea flower. Oh yeah, that was fantastic. I never would have known that brand existed. Right. I would have walked right past it at the store. I never would have given it a second thought like some hippie dippy little water with flowers. Totally. Totally. It's so it was so good. And so one of the things that's really nice is being able to force myself into positions where I'm trying a bunch of things and low and behold, all of the things that I had

before are found wanting compared to these new things that I'm finding. So it's a sort of a microcosm of life. A lot of times you know you do a little bit of an exercise, something that seems really stupid, like I'm going to drink 500 seltzers. Right. What do you know you find really good ones that you never would have tried before that maybe you can incorporate into your life to make your life better moving forward. Yeah, that sounds great. There's a joy in discovering. So that's my bright spot. My my thought though is when we get to 350 or so will you be so exhausted with seltzer that nothing is going to break into that top five? You know just that. I don't think so. That like because there's a lot of there. A lot of the untapped

stuff that you know I might be able to find are things that are more craft right in nature. So I think a lot of the things that I might be able to find within the next one 200 seltzers sure will probably be phenomenal right because a lot of the stuff I've been having are these these standard ass lemon lime grapefruit every brand and a lot of that is it does lead to a little burnout and some of that's like well maybe that would have been a 60 but it's a 52 now because I'm sick of great great fruit. Yeah and you know certainly apologies to grapefruit but that's how it goes. Yeah, great for you're not a great flavor. Yeah, they accept your apology but yeah I think I think as we go along we'll find even greener pastures. I'm wondering if

we're going to get a perfect score like I think we will ten. I know it happens once every 500 seltzers. It's possible. I've been very conservative with my scoring but I think it's possible and I think if I were to guess based on how this is gone so far it'll be something floral and something tea related. Yeah, that does sound that does sound likely. Yeah, because those are clearly the best one last question before we get off the year of the seltzer unless you have for more to continue. I don't I have said my piece. Okay. Will you consider revising a score later on? Do you know what I'm saying? No. Oh, okay. No, I don't think I should. I think I think that would be dirty pool set in stone. Now let's let's assume

that we get to the end and the highest score is an 86. Okay, does that mean everybody gets 14 more points attitude to be great on a curve? I think I don't think so. I think I would turn out to like the things that are 50 are now 64. Yeah, I'm just bullshit. No, no. If it ends up in a situation where we get to 500 and the highest score is 93 or something like that. I think that's so be it. So be it. There is. There is the the platonic ideal of that hundred somewhere out there. Yeah, and it remains to be found there. It's always there's always something to shoot for that's okay. That's an okay conclusion. Perhaps that's what gives meaning to life in itself. Exactly. Yes. Yes, the seltzer here of the seltzer is very philosophical at this point.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Emmy. Thank you so much, gravity head zero. And thank you so much, Eric R. Thank you very much to all of you. If you're out there listening, you're thinking, Hey, I enjoy the show. I'd like to support with these gens, too. You can do that by going to our website, KnowledgeFight.com, clicking the button to support the show. We would appreciate it. Yes, absolutely. Or you could take that generosity. Get yourself some some glass jars like boil them. Yes, boil the glass jars, boil the glass jars going boiling water, that generosity in the safely sterilized glass jars, seal them up very tightly and send

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for Jordan. Since you like other final fantasies, MMOs aren't for everyone, but fighting imperialism, oppressive theocracies and a cosmic horror. That's a metaphor for boomer ideology might interest you from policy. Wonk, Destin, thank you very much, Destin. You didn't say what it was. It is a final fantasy fourteen online. I thought I did say what it is. Oh, no, maybe you didn't. I just had the complete addition. So I'm excited to play that. Yeah, you got some final fantasy, because you talk about loving it all the time. Yeah, that's the trick. Have you played 14? No, I've never played 14. I don't see it's an online MMO, right? So that means that it's I've always played the single player single storyline kind of game. I've never played an MMO before in my

life. Neither have I, and I'm worried for you. You worried for me. Yes, I might never see you again. That's always my fear with those like giant online games that are conceivably never ending. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my fear is like I'll just this will be my life from now. Right, right, right. I don't ever want to touch them. Yeah, it's always worried me that it was going to become another job. You know, like I'm just existing in a space where I also have a job, right on my off time. A lot of RPGs are kind of that way. I mean, like at a certain point, missions do end up feeling like chores. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah, it put you have to wait a day in real time to farm. What are you doing at this point? You know,

it's a little exhausting. So now Jordan down to business. Yes, sir. I'm going to give. I'm going to just tell you this right up top. I found it intensely difficult to focus on doing this show these last couple days. All right, and it's because of Alex. It's his fault, right? His show's not been good. There's still some interesting things and some things that are definitely requiring of us pointing out and keeping track of. But there's so many guests on these shows and it is just like, I don't care about any of these people. I don't care. I couldn't give a shit for a large portion of the time. And like, sometimes the listening to his show goes quick because there's interesting things pretty regularly

or he's being entertaining and yelling like a dumb dumb. Yeah. This is the opposite. He's just not bringing it. It's just hours of listening to him interview people. I don't care about it. That sucks. Yeah. So that was a little painful. However, we start here on the 23rd and I think that we start with maybe one of the more important things that's going on that Alex announces on this episode that is very bad. And the rollout is COVID-19. It is just the excuse and the hysteria and that's why we're making a big announcement later in the second hour today of a nationwide movement. The movement is going to be called We Can't Breathe. The website is going to be WeCan'tBreathe.News. It'll be up this afternoon with a video report and a document article and

an action plan. And I will be out at the Texas Capitol this Sunday at high noon to protest the governor's capitulation to Gavin Newsom and the UN. Yes, I heard that and that really set me off on a bad foot because I was feeling like, oh God, I don't even want to do this anymore. I just see the machinations of it. I see what he's doing. He's trying to trick people into getting mad at him to get free press. There you go. He's doing something explicitly distasteful and racist in order to be like, pay attention to me. Oh, I'm going to trick you dumb libs into yelling about how I'm co-opting this thing. Insane. Yeah, and it just feels so lame. It's just it's just bad trolling. He's doing it really. It's also incredibly offensive. Yeah, it's it's on a

it's the same. Yeah, it's just shitty trolling, but on a genocidal scale like he's describing what is essentially biological warfare at this point. Like I'm going to go out and spread this disease to as many people as I possibly can as a form of trolling. I mean, you know, like it's hard to say how many people how much denial plays into it to the fair. So my first and most important point here is that co-opting the dying words of George Floyd and Eric Garner, which have been a central rallying cry for the Black Lives Matter protests. That's a profoundly disrespectful and racist act. Alex is trying to protest the fact that Texas's dumb, dumb governor Greg Abbott is finally having to accept that his state is in trouble. So he's making some moves to put health safety measures

in place, like telling people to stay at home, put it possibly having some mask orders and stuff. Alex and his buddies have already protested this. They were the ones who were doing all those reopen protests. Like Alex and Owen went out there with their bullhorns back at the end of May and yelled about how the state needed to reopen. At that point, Texas was report reporting a total of 54,509 cases. As of June 23rd, that number was 120,370 cases, having reported over 27,000 new cases in the past week alone. Alright, so we flattened the curve. Alex has done his part and it's clearly been shown to have been dumb and a bad plan that he was pushing for. On some level, I think he knows that the best he can really do is go back out and

argue that the numbers are a lie and Texas shouldn't be afraid of clearly spiking COVID case numbers, and that's not going to get him the attention that he wants. But if he flexes his racist muscles and tries to start a we can't breathe movement, maybe just maybe they'll anger people enough to get them to cover him and give him that attention. It's disgraceful and desperate. And I hope that people don't take the bait and give him the free press. Yeah, it's it's like the next day just coming out and being like after the I have a dream speech has been like I stole a dream and it's the opposite of your ship. We have a dream of a white America. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You didn't you miss the point. We can't breathe as the name

of an organization that already exists whose mission statement reads quote. Our mission is to create networks of multicultural groups, imagining and building a future where people, communities and races coexist without injustice or disparities together. We're creating deep change in the community through love and peaceful intentions. Something tells me that they're going to have a bit more traction than Alex's dome publicity stunt. So I went to his new website and it's pretty lame. It's just got a bunch of new info wars videos posted on there and then there's some posters you can download about how masks are bad. Here's the thing that I think is really funny though. All of the posters include the web address, which is we can't breathe dot news.

But in each poster, the apostrophe is included in the word can't. If you type the URL in as it appears on those posters, you will never find Alex's website and that just seems like bad planning from a graphic design standpoint. Not really put the apostrophe in. Oh, yeah, on all of the posters. They put the apostrophe in there and like I know a lot of his audience does like if you look at the demographics, they're older people generally go old man house phone. Oh, yeah. He's never going to be able to find that website. Never going to find that he's going to put it in a teletype. Yeah. I have a strong suspicion that this protest that he's trying to get going will be very underwhelming. They plan to meet and have a prayer service at the capital then march to the

governor's mansion to demand him not mandate mask wearing the part that's a real little scary in their right up is this quote any and all freedom lovers are welcome and then in all caps mask wearing is discouraged exclamation point. All right guys. This is dangerous and irresponsible, but I'm not sure that there's a good way to actually discourage or stop them from holding the event. I'm guessing turnout will be small. So the best move here is probably just to ignore them and not give it the attention that it's clearly designed to attract. The goal is baiting people into giving this attention as you can tell by how Alex named this. So the most effective response I think as much as it sucks because you know it's offensive. I think the best response

strategically is just like all right have your little march and just ignore it. I propose a better response and that is rent for helicopters attached to them a giant glass dome during the protest to have the four helicopters drop the dome slowly on top of them and then we're fine. And we just call it a day and we all just walk away and it's fine. We'll put air holes in there. We're not monsters, but a little leaf. Exactly. We'll give them a nice little terrarium. They can they can frolic and play however they like. You have an interesting plan. It's going to run into money. I'll tell you that. Yeah, there is that. So Alex gets talking about some other stories and I think he's got a bad angle on this one. Separately, Hollywood is

collapsing. A whole bunch of producers are dying and committing suicide as their pedophilia comes out. That is all coming up and that ties into these giant pedophile networks that are collapsing that are in big serious substantial trouble. It is the pedophile network they use to blackmail and control the population. Now yesterday when I started this show, I told you 24 hours left on the tail end of the big mega sale and the items that are still 60 to 70 percent off. Nailed it. Oh, that was sweet. Yeah, that was rough. Oh, no, that was great. Oh, yeah, you just that's lubed up, Dan. Alex's theory here that there's a bunch of Hollywood producers dying from suicide. Like I don't know if that's true, but I think he's just embellishing the

story of one recent headline about the death of Steve Bing, who apparently jumped out the window of his 27th floor apartment on Monday. There's no connection I can find to him being involved in the abuse of children. And Alex is probably pretty close to defamatory statements there if he's not careful. Oh, right. A page six article about Bing's death quotes a number of his friends who say that he'd been battling mental illness for years and quote, his close friends are devastated about his death, but sadly not surprised. Other discusses trouble with drugs and the fact that he appeared really rich on the surface, but quote, he made a lot of ill advised investments. People imagine it's impossible to run through $600 million, but he did.

Congratulations. I guess I guess if you Brewster's millions, then you win. I don't know. I don't know what to say. I mean, I don't know. He made kangaroo jack. Yeah, well, then he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. That's for sure from all available information. This seems like a tragic story of someone struggling with addiction and mental illness until Alex substantiates his claims in any way. This is another example of what appears to him just be him making up details about a story in order for them to fit his pre determined narratives. And that's really shitty. Yeah, really, really shitty. It is. It is a double exploitation of something that's multiple tragedies all in the same kind of situation. He's exploiting the real pedophilia

to score points and then exploiting a man's suicide due to a whole host of factors, including mental illness and just moves on with his life. Like that's fine. Like we all, the rest of us have to deal with this bullshit and he just gets to move on to the next sentence and I'm not, you know, like unilaterally defending this guy, this producer. I don't know anything about him, but from all the reporting I can find it doesn't match any of the insinuations that Alex is trying to make and that to me is the mark of someone who's a real pile of shit. Yeah, but even though Alex is a pile of shit that doesn't mean he doesn't want to surround himself with other gigantic piles of shit and we meet the first one here.

Great to have you here. One of the only people as banned as I am. Quite an elite fraternity. Thank you for joining us, my friend. Thanks for having me. Alex, good to see you. Well, you got banned on YouTube. Let's get into that and then let's get into the state of affairs and Trump and where you see this all going and how folks can still find you uncensored, unfiltered at censored.tv. Yep. It's the last batch in the pirate ship. I mean, I got the idea from you about band that you make your own thing. They can't ban you. Do you know who that is? Do you recognize his voice? I do not. You don't know. Wow. Okay. I don't recognize anybody. Everyone out there

listening play along right down on a piece of paper. Who do you think it is? It's Gavin McGuinness. Oh, God, damn it. Yeah, Gavin. So we're talking about tits the whole time, huh? No, we're not talking about much. Well, this episode is not going to be incredibly long because a lot of it is Alex just repeating nonsense that he says all the time. They'll be fucking boring for us to keep going over right and then a lot of the rest of it is just him talking to people like Gavin McGuinness and I'll give a shit. No, no, I'm not really interested in Gavin McGuinness's hard hitting takes on the present. Let me do my impression of Gavin McGuinness. All right, that's a great impression got thrown off YouTube. Yeah, you got him. So anyway,

Gavin's just on to promote his website. Of course, him getting banned from YouTube is something I'm sure he's actually been waiting to happen for a while because he can get some promotional attention out of it. Yeah, trying to get things to your own platform. This is not the first time Gavin's been kicked off YouTube. In December 2018, he was booted for repeat copyright violations. And according to an article in The Verge, quote, McGuinness had the opportunity to respond to these copyright infringement claims. It appears he did not resolve them, which is what ultimately led to the ban. This is around the same time that Glenn Beck's network of the blaze publicly distanced themselves from Gavin, most likely because he's an unfunny fascist

piece of shit. Yeah, that sounds right. Gavin went on to try and get attention by suing the SPLC or a flurry of stories about that back in February 2019, but mysteriously nothing meaningful sense. Are you sure? Yeah, I imagine that's a sign that the case is going well. I thought he won against the SPLC. He took him down. They they are notorious for their inability to deal effectively with the law. So I assume is their name. Yeah. Well, obviously he got back on YouTube pretty quick after that 2018 ban and now I guess they've banned him again this time apparently for engaging in speech that's considered incitement towards violence. Well, I don't know the specifics, but if I know anything about Gavin, it's probably deserved and overdue. So I went to his website

and what a roster of losers he's got working for. Okay, you've got Milo, Alex's former employee, Pizzagate Rambo, Joe Biggs. No, that racist 12 year old Sof, Jacob Wall and Laura Loomer. Oh, man, what a kid. Jesus. That's a that's a fucking the Italian job level crew right there. You're talking about a terrarium bubble. Get them all in one studio for like a marathon or something. Sure, sure, sure. There's also a weirdly. There's a channel where a former boxer breaks down classic fights, which I don't know why it's that. I kind of like seems very out of place. I'm fine with that. Whatever thing is you can't watch any content on his website unless you have a subscription. Okay, well then go fuck yourself. You can't watch any of these people's stuff. You have to pay ten

bucks a month or a hundred dollars or a hundred dollars a year to get access to all the stuff that those buffoons put out. Oh, that's a steal. I can't imagine a talent pool like that being a compelling sales pitch for people, but I'll leave Gavin to his hustle man. That's what you're going to do. Good luck. I will give you ten dollars a month not to read anything by them. I honestly, if you if it was between giving you money and just reading one of their articles per day, I swear to you I will give you money. There is a now. I was going to say that like if it wasn't behind a paywall, maybe I'd do some like episodes about Rambo Joe Biggs, but I realized right before I said that sentence. There's no way I'm going to take it back. Take it back. You take it back,

not to going to do it. So anyway, it's mostly just Gavin whining about this and how like, wow, the conservatives are no, they won't let us say things. They are so bad. And then Alex is complaining about how like all these people who censor us, they're the ones who do really offensive things. And then he remembers that like Ralph Northam did blackface. Right. So he's, he's going to try and weave that. Yeah, give it a shot. This is not a success. Oh, no, exactly. But I mean, take I never dressed up in blackface because I mean, if you are a Nazi helmet, it's too it's offensive. I mean, and people have a right to do it. I just never did it. You never did it. But everybody that did blackface then says you should be banned. So it's really interesting to

hear Alex struggle to come up with a reason why you shouldn't do blackface. Yeah. And if you listen carefully, you starting to say it's too dangerous. He corrected himself to say it's too offensive. Yeah, but he was originally trying to say it's too dangerous. So it's going to kick your ass if you do that, which is kind of fun. Yeah. Also, do yourself a favor and Google Gavin McGinnis and blackface. I'm sure he's never done it. See what comes up. I'm sure he's never done it. Fun fact. Gavin's done some blackface and also one of the times he was a guest on Stephen Crowder's show. The title was time for blackface. All right. Well, that's a that's a time I didn't know existed also in 2014. Gavin Pendant op ed titled quote. What's wrong with

blackface? Lots of things. Alex could hardly have chosen a worse person to be like, hey, you've never done blackface. I've never done blackface neither of you and let's never let's never look into that guy who's publicly defended blackface repeatedly. How is it that you Alex's hand? Gavin on his show when you talked about how minstrel shows were like respect great. They were a sign of respect. There's no such thing as history. There's no such thing as the past right. It's all in the present and hope people forget and usually that's a good bet. I mean, let's be real. So Gavin, I can't get myself to care about his interview. The more we sort of ignore. No, come on, old white man whining. That's a great show. It's

it's not not compelling. That's why I love stand up comedy open mics. I love to hear old white man whine about things. Certainly that's one thing I miss, but I'll have to leave it in the past. This next clip we get to another guest. This is part of a powerhouse duo that's coming in one old face we've known for a while and one new new fresh face on the scene. This is some this is some bullshit. But there's a big story at project veritas.com. It's linked up on info awards dot com Facebook content moderator. If someone's wearing a mega hat, I am going to delete them for that. Facebook insider, Zach, Miguel Roy will testify before Congress about the Facebook bias. He's witness against Trump supporters and conservative causes.

So we got another person with project Veritas named Zach, the last one believed in a Zionist occupied government. That's because that one's still the jury's out on that just so you know. So project Veritas has got this new video out and this time they got a Facebook insider blowing the whistle. The guy's name is Zach McElroy. And according to him, he was a content moderator for Cognizant, which is a company that Facebook subcontracts to run moderation. Right. According to his telling of the story, the people he worked with at Cognizant had an anti conservative bias, which is then being used to say that Facebook has an anti conservative bias. This doesn't work. Even if we accept Zach's premise that his coworkers were all out to get

conservatives, then his problem is with Cognizant. He should be crusading to get Facebook to end their contract with Cognizant if he was trying to do anything, but that's not his angle. This is all in attack on Facebook, but the problem is specific to Cognizant. This is not about winning or doing the right thing or even having a valid point. This is about screaming about something that maybe people can turn into something else. And I watched the video and legitimately the first thing that's brought up doesn't prove anything. James O'Keefe asks ask Zach about the civic harassment queue. And Zach says that 75 to 80% of the posts in that queue came from Republican pages. The first problem is that there's no metrics provided on this. It's just Zach's

estimation, which I have no reason to believe or trust. But even if he is telling the truth and this number is accurate, that in no way proves an anti conservative bias. Maybe there's more harassment being done by right wing associated Facebook pages. Maybe they're Nazis. There are other explanations for the phenomenon he's describing, but the conclusion is reached that this is just more evidence that Facebook hates Republicans. That's a sloppy assumption. And if that's how the video is opening, you can't really have much faith that they're going to do much better as it goes along. So his idea, though, is that there would be a 50 50 reporting split if it was objective. Yes, that's basically his argument. Yes, even though it would be equal,

even though that's simply not a function of either. I mean, it's entirely dependent on human behaviors. Yeah, you could have you could have a perfectly fair algorithm and it could be like 90 percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I mean that's just a facet of the online Republican culture. That's not even necessarily all Republicans. That has nothing to do with the large section of Republicans all across the world. It's purely the ones who are very online and they are abusive. Plus they never really get into what the civic harassment queue is, whether or not it's just things that are automatically caught by algorithms or if it's things that are reported manually by people, right? And that could make a gigantic difference in terms

of what ends up in that queue. I have no idea. There's not enough information in this video for me to trust any of this. Yeah. And the rest of it is just kind of a basic ass veritas video where people are secretly recorded and their words taken out of context. One woman who's interviewed seems like she may be outside a bar and she says that she deletes conservative posts, even if they're not violating the rules. Haha, you got them. However, Veritas forgot to cut out the part where she says, quote, I don't give no fucks. It's like one week left. What are they going to do? Send me to OIP? I don't give a fuck. She's clearly someone who has quit and is working the last days of her job, so she doesn't care if she faces consequences for her actions,

which implies that the actions she's describing would have consequences. So this video actually proves that deleting conservative posts that are not in violation of the rules seems to be something that employees know is something they can get in trouble for. Don't don't great work. Don't think about it. Do not use the parts great work. Make you think about things. That's bad. And then instead I do like her quote though. She's got a great quote. There's another exchange that they have with a fellow moderator who's saying that she leaves up posts like conservative posts, even if they're posts that should be taken down. So she's kind of like almost a sympathetic person who's in this and then when asked who in the office she hangs out with one of her answers

is quote Kevin. He's like the insert slur for a little person that I harass about his height. Okay, this is making a strong case about this harassment stuff. Wow. Yeah, real good. Wait, so their evidence of the sympathetic person is a person who would be sympathetic. I would say who would be in the fucking queue. She's the person who's doing cue behavior, but at work. It's very weird. Oh, great. Yep. This is just another standard as Veritas pile of trash. If Veritas wanted to do some work that actually was meaningful, maybe they could have been like Casey Newton at the verge who did an expose in early 2019 about the horrible working conditions that Facebook moderators at Cognizant were subjected to probably helped along by Newton's

reporting Facebook agreed to a court settlement where they would pay $52 million to compensate for the mental health issues that moderators developed from filtering horrific content on the platform, keeping all that stuff off from an article about this quote. Each moderator will receive a minimum of $1,000 and will be eligible for additional compensation if they're diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder or related conditions. This settlement covers 11,250 moderators. That's reporting that matters and makes people's lives better. There's been a big scandal at Cognizant, but you'd never would see Project Veritas even coming close to it. They don't cover actual things. They produce fraudulent hatchet pieces for profit. Thus, it's not surprising

that Zach McElroy has already put up a GoFundMe page. He's looking to raise $150,000. Oh, you got it. As of the preparing of this episode, it's been up for a day and he's already raked in over $34,000. Jesus fucking Christ. This is the right wing grift economy in a nutshell. It's very profitable to be a tool of people like James O'Keeffe. It's just not a gig that lasts very long. You get your payment here from this GoFundMe and then there's nothing for you to do. Then I guess, I mean, because you've got nothing else to do. Maybe you end up working at Project Veritas. Yeah, why not? I don't think that that's going to look good on a resume. No, no, no. I don't think you're going to step up and make it. I just don't understand why

conservatives can't demand better live videos. James O'Keeffe's videos all suck and they're lazy and half the time they wind up proving the opposite point than what he wants to make. True. So demand better. Don't give him your money until he makes a better movie. Yeah, it's tough because he had the backing and the support of Andrew Breitbart and Breitbart Association with Drudge. So he's almost royalty in terms of those connections. I think that that's where he is. You can't let him get away with trash. This is Transformers all over again. You just can't let him get away with this. Well, speaking of that guy, James, James, he shows up. The two guys both show up,

the whistleblower and O'Keeffe. And so they're just talking about how the Facebook could delete all these posts. And this is how O'Keeffe, he sums up what Mark Zuckerberg is doing. So what Zuckerberg has essentially done here is he's subcontracted out his bias to these third party companies like the one that Zach worked for, this Facebook cognizant outfit, which is where all these content reviewers do their business because Zuckerberg wants maybe plausible deniability or a degree of separation from the hell's angels gets banned in a town. They create a sub motorcycle gang. That's all he's done is like a mafia created little sub families. What? Yeah, the mafia created little sub families. Facebook didn't

create cognizant. No, they created cognizant in order to do the thing. And then that thing proves that the thing that they did was wrong, Dan. Whatever. Yeah. James O'Keeffe is making an interesting point, but it relies on a large unproven assumption. In order for this argument to fly, he needs to demonstrate that Facebook subcontracted cognizant in order for them to express the bias he wanted for Facebook that allows the four conservative targeting that he wants to happen on the platform, but also keeps his hands clean. James O'Keeffe is not demonstrated this at all. So it would be easy to accept literally every piece of evidence that he's presented and believe that this is a problem with cognizant and not with Facebook. That's one of

the reasons why this is an incredibly sloppy reporting. It doesn't mean anything. Yeah. There's another huge problem with this story, and that is that at the end of 2019, it was pretty widely reported that cognizant technology solutions was getting out of the content moderating business. They laid off 6000 employees and told their investors in a financial operations call, quote, within one subset of the content operations business, our work is largely focused on determining whether certain content violates client standards and can involve objectionable materials. We've determined that this subset of our work is not in line with our strategic vision for the company. In response to the news, Facebook's VP of Scaled Operations, Aaron Chandra, told BBC,

quote, we respect cognizant's decision to exit some of its content review services for social media platforms. They had a $100 million per year deal to run these moderation facilities. And that sounds like a ton, but you got to understand cognizant is a huge and diverse company. Their revenue last year was $16.8 billion. Jesus Christ, a giant company. Who the fuck are these people? Right? It was announced in the fall of 2019 that their content moderator work would be phased out over 2020, which seriously calls into question a lot of the content and arguments, but fourth in O'Keeffe's video and this interview. It seems like it might be old. I have no idea. It sounds like bullshit. There's something up here, but I don't know what it is. Something doesn't

up and the far be it for me to to try and put my finger on it. I throw this throw this out the window. Another important point is that there's a bunch of companies that Facebook subcontracts to do moderation work. There's PRO in unlimited Accenture, but Jor-El, Gen Pact, and that's not even a complete list. They're a global company. Yeah, you know that you need you need more than one or two companies. If you need people to be doing this 24 hours a day or else you'd have people posting beheading videos. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's it's gigantic. Well, I mean, it's a nine to five gig. We'll get to the beheading videos the next day. You know, that leaves him up for 14 hours, but that's no big deal. Right. Right. It's it's it. This is just

week. This is a week week. It's insane. Even for Project Veritas. I found this disappointingly weak. Yeah. Also, what Alex is describing at the end of the clip there about biker gangs who get banned creating new names. That's essentially exactly what Alex does. No. Hey, he constantly tells his audience post links to news wars instead of info wars since those links make it past blocks more easily different. No, exactly. Different companies. His business strategy entirely at this point is basically just trying to give shit different names in order to get around bands. Yeah, that's the whole job. He is a biker gang that has been banned from town that changes their name. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, at least he's bad at rebranding. News Wars is

just going to be spelled with a z next and they like it's way better. Yeah. So Alex is mad about masks. Sure. Because it looks like Abbott governor Abbott's going to mandate wearing masks and in stores and stuff. Hey, you giant babies, put a fucking mask on Alex. Alex is not happy about this. No, of course. And even friends and family go Alex. There's no waiver in California or Texas or other states that you don't have to wear a mask in a store. And then I pull it up and I say California dot here we go. And they go like porky pants. Ghosts. Of course, they can't make you wear this.

California dot gov is not an actual website. It's CA dot gov. That's the California website. Leaving that aside, of course, some people are not required to wear masks. For instance, in California, people who are hearing impaired over it, communicating with someone who needs to read lips can take off their mask in a store to communicate. People who are at restaurants and are able to sit at least six feet away from other parties aren't required to be masked while eating. People who are doing outdoor recreational activity don't have to wear masks as long as they can stay distanced from others. There are folks who have legitimate medical mental health or developmental disabilities

that make it so they could not wear a mask safely. And those people are exempt from the requirement. But honestly, if you have a medical issue that makes it so you can't wear a mask, it seems like you might not risk going into places that there are high concentrations of people during an active pandemic since such most of such medical issues would likely involve breathing related conditions. And they're before put you in a higher risk category. So I don't I don't like this is the angle that Alex is going with those like there are these exemptions. So let's pretend we all have those exemptions right right right and then we'll get around this thing which is like just fucking wear a mask. He's doing it like like people used to give medical

marijuana. He's like now I got a cough. So I'm going to get a weed card man. Now I don't have to wear a mask. There is a difference between the two, but it's a similar behavior similar behavior. There is a sort of what's actually happening here. There's that. Oh God, it just this is another thing like this is just goes pretty much throughout these days like this because he's decided to run this. We can't breathe March. He's kind of like really going hard on this mask exemption thing and it's just kind of childish and sad, but it's also so serious. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. You're going to get people stupid by acting like a petulant stupid child or you're going to get people killed. Yeah. Fuck. I just don't understand. Like this is stupid

on a level that is problematic for me because it suggests that like where's the fucking line? You know, like the government mandates you pay taxes. So you pay fucking taxes. Well, not only that mask. It's not hard. Not only that there is a ton of things that you get from paying those taxes that you probably take entirely for granted and it's part of those fucking cops you love. So God damn well for Alex. Maybe that shit or paved sidewalks or you know any number things. I mean like Michigan's pretty gross, but it would be worse. It'd be real bad. We didn't pay taxes real bad. Right. I mean there's there's the Thames. There's a hundred unexamined things that you just go about your life and you don't realize are taken care of by everyone deciding to chip in

and pay for taxes. And it's the same thing with this too. Like it's the government says you've got to wear masks when you go inside businesses. You know, there is a collective communal responsibility that you're taking care of there. And that's another thing. I didn't cut any clips of this because it was just so consistent and so the but like Alex is also being like studies have shown that masks don't protect you. And there's like well. Yes, you're just that's a straw man argument. No one is arguing that wearing a mask will protect you necessarily. But if everyone wore a mask, it's about stopping the spread. Exactly. Not curing anything. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, I just I just it boggles my mind. Like I'm not saying that blanketly accept anything

that the government says. But like you were saying with taxes, you know, there's all those benefits that you can take for granted. And in this case, it is not one you can take for granted is when you can see directly in front of your face, which is that people are fucking dying. Right, you know, like where goddamn mask everybody agree to wear a mask and when people stop dying so much will be like look at how great it was that we more wore masks. Yeah, and I think the the comparison between taxes gets a little bit murky or so much of our tax money goes to things like war in the military right and there are a number of people who like there are ways to take a conscientious stance of non payment of tax is right that you know you take a risk of having to go

to prison if you do that. But there are people who have that kind of principled stance and I think that there isn't an analog for that in terms of in terms of this. Now there's no downside other than maybe your your face gets a little sweaty sometimes maybe a little bit. That's about it. What's the what do you have a downside for it? Not really. I'm fine with it now. It was a tough like first day probably because I felt like a dick right right. I'm not a guy who accessorizes like my head's too big for hats. I've never had an earring. I don't like sunglasses. Oh I should get in sunglasses. They would mitigate my cross eye. We'll re explore this. I've never put beads in my beard. You know you never put other accessories.

You've never put beads in your beard. I'm not a watch guy. I'm not jewelry guy. So like wearing a face mask was like it was a tough little bit of adjustment in terms of like I'm choosing to do this and I know people are looking at me as if I'm making a fashion choice. Yeah, and that kind of was tough but it passed pretty quickly because the feeling is you're drawing attention to yourself by wearing this accessory where in reality you would be drawing attention to yourself by not wearing it in theory. Yeah, I think that was probably a big part of what the feelings were based on. But anyway, you can get over it. That's what I would advise Alex to get the fuck over it. So he's mad at Governor Abbott and he actually he has an interesting view of how Governorships

work. Alex? Yes. Because Abbott has a very interesting view but it's very wrong. But yeah. Alex has turned on him now. Okay, of course. Even though he's the most out there conservative nonsense Governor. But he's you know he's taken the virus seriously too late. Yeah. And now Alex is pissed. The Governor of California sets the precedent and I told you other states would follow and then Governor Greg Abbott is now literally the mini-me of Governor Psycho Newsom. He followed his orders. So Texas is not just being colonized by California rejects now. We are now under Governor Newsom. Governor Gavin Newsom is the Governor of Texas. The Governor resigned earlier yesterday and has appointed the California Governor as our Governor. I mean,

he's mad as well. I know that Alex is trying to be like kind of funny. It's not funny but it really is like overly dramatic. That's really the vibe that I get today. It's like a 13-year-old saying his life is over because his crush doesn't want to go to dance. It's exactly like that. This Governor who does almost everything in line with what I like isn't doing what I like this time and therefore California now over. Now I'll kill myself in the streets because now Newsom is my governor. So I think there's something interesting about this idea that California was going to put in this mask requirement and then Texas would follow and thus Governor Newsom is now the Governor of California. An underlying element of this is that Texas would be just

following California's lead but what if I were to tell you that California was not the first state to require masks in public? Interesting. California's order went to place on June 18th but because I live in Illinois, I know that we've had that shit going since May 1st. Wow, there was that. And we aren't even the first state. According to CNN, the first state to require masks in public settings was New Jersey back on April 8th. So according to Alex's logic, Phil Murphy is currently the Governor of New Jersey, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, New York, New Mexico, Michigan, Massachusetts, Maryland, Bain, Kentucky, Illinois, Hawaii, D.C., Delaware, Connecticut, and California. Wow. He really, you know, I knew there was a power vacuum,

but I didn't know you could really, you could really grab it, you know, like all of a sudden you go from zero power to fucking I went from being the governor of New Jersey to being the Duke of the West. Yeah, not a bad little kingdom. Yeah, most of the economic centers of the country certainly. Yeah, he's he's got a lot of leverage. I suppose it in a negotiating table. You got California, New York, you got Illinois. Yeah. All right, cool. Anyway, just a stupid idea of how the like. Oh, he's doing what California did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alex is dumb, but I recognize. I recognize that he's doing that. He's saying that as like a attempt at like comedic hyperbole or something, but he says it a lot. He says it over and over and over again. It's not funny. The

first time it's not interesting. I don't know. I mean, it's a failure and just sounds like a baby. Yeah, also it's it's one of those things where it's like how long before it'll be next week, whenever he's like Governor Abbott is the best governor in the state because he did this and you're like, what the fuck is the point? Right, right? Nothing matters like he does with a bar. Yeah, yeah. Attorney General Barr. He goes back and forth on that guy. Hate him. Love him. Yeah. He's the real deal. He's the I heard from the deep state that he's the number one guy. Yeah. So Alex gets into talking about some of these exemptions that are available for people with masks. He's dumb. Persons who are hearing impaired or communicating with a person

who is hearing impaired or the ability to see the mouth is essential. She's telling your death. Persons for him wearing a face covering will create a risk to the person related to the work that's determined by local, state, federal and regulations and work safe guidelines. Yeah, they just passed along in California. You're exempt of your brown wearing mask. I'm not joking. I'll show it to you. So pretty cool to hear Alex say that in order to get out of wearing a mask at a store, you should just lie about being deaf. Yeah. What a revolutionary we have on our hands here. That's the trick. You know when you're willing to die for your cause slash pretend you have a disability. You know that's what the you know the Boston Tea

Party was not about that. It was about adopting tea lists. I got nothing. I do have to admit that I frequently lied about being a student to get cheaper movie tickets in my life. I mean that's fair. Right. Slightly different. Same behavior. Saving those two bucks. Exactly. A little bit different than saving a life. That last part is really interesting. The last part of his clip. It's not entirely made up, but the story he's talking about wasn't California. It was in Oregon. This was a specific thing in Lincoln County in Oregon, population 49,000, which is 90% white and less than 1% black. The reasoning behind what they did where they made an exemption for people of color to not have to wear masks. The reasoning is explained by Trevor Logan,

a professor at Ohio State, quote, wearing a mask seems like a reasonable response unless you just sort of take American society out of it. When you can't do that, you're basically telling people to look dangerous given racial stereotypes that are out there. After the raving media picked up on the story and started reporting on it, the Lincoln County Board was flooded with calls from people yelling at them about how this was racist against white people. Quote, we passed this last week and didn't hear much. And then all of a sudden our call center blows up with people just yelling at whoever answers the phone. Lincoln County Commission and spokesman Casey Miller said, so they withdrew the exemption. Whatever you think about the exemption, whether it was a

completely stupid idea or it was well-intentioned, but misguided, one thing we can be sure of is that Alex has no idea what he's talking about. He said it was the state of California when in reality it's a small county in Oregon who's already reversed the exemption. As is so often the case, Alex is angrily misreporting about a story that is no longer even current. He's just wasting his time. It's really frustrating how well the right can weaponize an old man house phone version of a DDoS attack. You just get all of these idiots to yell about this made up, there was a war on Christmas or people are fake. There's a tampon in my fucking fucking report. Yeah, exactly. And then all of these fucking ding-dongs just call and yell and that's enough. That's just enough.

Right. That's enough. We've been walking the goddamn streets, getting tear gas left and right, and it's enough just to call a bunch of dicks in this case. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Actually, I don't think I have any kind of real position to speak on whether or not that exemption is appropriate or not. I would like to err on the side of hearing from the voice of people who would be affected by it. So I don't really know if that would be an insulting kind of exemption to be put in or if it'd be something that people would be in favor of. I'm not entirely sure. I don't know. I think they should just put a muzzle on their cops. That would be interesting. That would be a better way to go about it. Put a muzzle on them, put a nice little leash on them,

they can carry sleighs, you know, do the whole thing. So we have one little more clip here from the twenty third and it's Alex as a guest who I've never heard on before and I didn't. I couldn't even be bothered to look into him and actually turned off the episode. Is that boring? Real boring and also like after I heard this clip, I was just like, I'm not going to listen to Alex interview somebody who's inspired by Alex. Like I'm not going to listen to him interview a fan of his who now has some sort of a website. I don't care. I can deal with Alex. I don't need to listen to the the second hand version of him. I'm the show today. We have a sick of fans. Yeah, fuck that. Yeah. Well, thanks for having me. We can start with what you said when I watched

you back in about two thousand four or five. I remember you very pointedly saying, folks, they're going to bring back human sacrifice. The U.N. agenda twenty one agenda twenty thirty. They're going to. It's Aztecs. So I heard you say back then and I thought that was a little off, right? I was already kind of conspiracy woke at the time, but I thought surely not. And you know what I did? Alex, I went and I got at my library about forty fifty of the elite books and I went through them all. I plowed through them and sure enough, you were right. I actually tracked down examples of where global elitists like Arthur Kessler and Ghost of the Machine. He says, you know what? Since everything is natural, anything that occurs is natural. It's

all just natural process. All of history includes human sacrifice, cannibalism, these kinds of things. It's all just natural. There's nothing right. So here is one of the top royal society type elites literally saying everything that you said. So this guy's name is Jay Dyer. I don't know anything about him because I don't care. Yeah, he sucks. Ghost of the Machine is a philosophical text and this dude's analysis of it is basically proof only that he's not equipped to handle dense material. The book itself is Arthur Kessler's attempt to explore the duality of the human, the difference in the mind and body being in the same unit. How can a creature so advanced and capable of such intellect also be a creature that's prone to thoughtless violence and whims of

nonsensical passion? That's the central question that's being dealt with in this tract. In the book, he has one section titled, quote, the ritual of sacrifice wherein he discusses the history of in human history of human sacrifice. Here's how that section opens, quote, anthropologists have paid far too little attention to the earliest ubiquitous manifestations of the delusionary streak in the human psyche, the institution of human sacrifice, the ritual killing of children, virgins, kings and heroes to placate and flatter the gods. It's found at the dawn of civilization in every part of the world. It persisted through the height of antique civilizations and pre-Columbian cultures and is sporadically still being practiced in the remote corners of the world. The usual

attitude is to dismiss this subject as a sinister curiosity belonging to the dark superstitions of the past, but this attitude begs the question of the universality of the phenomenon, ignores the clues that it provides to the delusional streak in man's mental structure and its relevance to the problems of the present. In the context of the book, Kessler uses the phenomenon as, quote, early symptoms of the split between reason and emotion based beliefs, which produces the delusional streak running through history. According to his belief, quote, the refusal to accept death either as a natural or as a final phenomenon populated the world with witches, ghosts, ancestral spirits, gods, demigods, angels and devils. The air became saturated with invisible presences as in a mental

home. Most of them were malevolent and vengeful, or at least capricious, unpredictable, insatiable in their demands. They had to be worshipped, cajoled, appropriated, or possibly, if possible, coerced. Hence the insane gesture of Abraham, the ubiquity of human sacrifice at the bloody dawn of civilization, the holy massacres which have continued ever since. If anything, this book encourages the pursuit of a cure for what he calls this delusional streak, since left unchecked, Kessler believes that this could result in human self extinction. And that cure is obviously sacrificing everyone. No, duh. That was not not the sense that I'm pretty sure that's what he was advocating. I don't believe that this guy has read this book and if he has his assessment of it

reveals he's not good at assessing information, probably explains why he's a big fan of Alex, though. You know, a lot of people really don't understand reading is hard. If you're doing it right, right, it takes time. It's true. You should take notes. Well, and you know, to be an active reader, you got to engage with the thought just don't don't be like, Oh, look at this, he's saying human sacrifice was all over and it happens in all cultures. That must mean it's cool. Yeah. Yeah, it does seem odd that it's something that always makes me laugh about the whole like, you're here in English class, you speak English, and it's like, no, no, no, just because you can read words doesn't mean you can read like that's just the reality of it. And that's why we have

those English and literature classes, and that's the why the people who make fun of us for having those classes. I say shit like this and you can like even hear just in the way he's presenting this stuff. It's like a bad Alex impression like his impression is literal impression of Alex, not too shabby, not terrible, but the impression of like I went and I got forty to fifty forty or level globalist elite books. Yeah, yeah, get the fuck out exactly. It's it's just basically someone who's like I can see I see what Alex is doing. I mean, instinctually aping it and if they're in your if they're the fucking elite books. Why are they in this dude's local goddamn library everywhere because it goes to the machines are very widely available. Yeah,

because it's a widely available for people, right, not just the elite. They just want to throw it in your face, though, man. Why? Why would they put it in all the libraries that I have to buy the book and less magic. They have to tell you what they're doing. So our librarians all in on it when they're ordering books, like when you open a new branch of the library, our librarians like Oh, well, we obviously have to get the lesser magic books. Yeah, probably. Okay, well I stand corrected. Yep. So we get to the twenty fourth and there's not much going on here because again Alex has a bunch of guests on this episode doesn't really want to do any work, huh? I don't know what the deal is. I think the sense that I get is like, I think that this Jay Dyer

guy maybe has a big audience. Okay, I don't know. I don't know who he is. Maybe me saying this is like, you don't know who Jay Dyer. Yeah, no, I think Alex thinks that Gavin has a pretty broad appeal. I think that he thinks that this project Veritas is like a big scoop that's going to go places. Wolf. So I think and you know some of the people that he has on this episode on the twenty fourth to or people I think he thinks is going to broaden his his his reach and maybe help promote his rally on the the the masks. It's real sad when you go clout chasing at the bottom of the barrel. You know when you have to dig down in there to go cloud we got Gavin McGuinness coming in here. A lot of people shooting for the stars and you're just going to get out the bottom of

the fuck up. We keep digging. You're going to get to China. Yeah. Yeah, we got who who had a James Woods coming on steal a little bit of his luster. Give me give me a Scott Bale and we're good to go. The reason I didn't want to I couldn't come up with a good name and James Woods kept sticking out in my head is that like James Woods is the right guy, but you wouldn't go on in for worse. No, no, no, no. Even he would. So we start off and we got you know, we got the narrative about the NASCAR sure is in effect. And so you look at this NASCAR driver. Bubba B. S. Wallace saying that the rope to pull down the garage was a noose. I guess a noose big enough for a cat's neck.

And he's this big hero. I can't pretend that I know all the details of the bubble Wallace situation, but I'm pretty comfortable with saying that Alex doesn't either. He spends a lot of time on this episode going on about how Wallace is trying to get attention for himself and make a hoax hate crime. I'm not particularly concerned with Alex's theories about this because he has the very basic facts of the story wrong. Wallace didn't report the news. Someone who worked in his garage found it and reported it to NASCAR. Wallace himself only found out about it after NASCAR's president Steve Phelps contacted him to inform him of what had been found. Ultimately, an investigation determined that the noose had been there since at least 2019, but there was no

way for the guy at the garage to have known that he was part of Wallace's team and they had just been transferred to that garage. The guy who found it checked out the other garages before reporting on it and found that no other garages have door pulls that are tied like a noose, which was part of what caused alarm. When it was discovered that this wasn't an attack that targeted him, Wallace said, quote, I think we'll gladly take a little embarrassment over what the alternatives could have been. Given the way this unfolded, I think that's the correct take. Also, it's important to recognize the context we're in right now. This is this all happened in late June, which is after there have been a number of suspicious instances of people of color being

found hanged in public. These have been ruled suicides. And while I don't have any concrete evidence to the contrary, there are a lot of bullshit. There are a lot of people with a lot of questions. Yeah, further investigation of those cases is needed for sure. But even without that, it's easy to see how the world circumstances make it so something like a noose being found in the NASCAR garage that happens to be used by a black driver. That's not something you can really ignore. No, particularly if you're NASCAR. Yeah, like the way that the chain of information rolled with someone finding this checking the other garages to see like am I making a big deal out of this? Yeah, of course coincidence. Maybe this is a NASCAR thing. Finding no other nooses in any of the

other garages, reporting it to NASCAR. Once NASCAR hears about this, they cannot not act and then Bubba Wallace finds out about this after that from NASCAR, like the chain of events happened exactly how we could. It but there, but Alex is trying to turn it into Jesse Small exactly. That's what he's trying to over and over and over and over. Yeah, yeah, and so that's what a prick. Yeah, what a what a what a prick. Whoever put that noose in there is a prick to why are people putting nooses places. Yeah, because they NASCAR did release a picture of it that I saw today and it's a noose. Yeah, that's a noose. It's not. No, not noose. Right. It's it's not something that you're mistaking. It's a terrible idea. Yeah, I get it. I mean like there's there's

one version of the genesis of this that something fucked up like somebody who's really fucked up or it could have been somebody who like, I don't know. It's weird to have skulls and stuff. Yeah, it could be Halloween, honestly, but it's still take the noose down. I would take a noose down. Yeah, if you're moving out of the garage and you had that up for your news with you, exactly. It's the campfire rule. Leave it better than when you got that would have been probably the appropriate way for this to be handled because you never know who's going to experience what you're leaving behind. Always take your noose with you. Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah, that would have been better. Yeah. So Alex now he's doing his march on Sunday at the Capitol in Austin,

but he wants this to be a nationwide movement spoiler. It's not going to be good luck. Let me hit the key point here. This needs to happen everywhere. Don't wait for orders from headquarters this Sunday. Your capital, your city council, your county seat. You may be one person. You may be 10 people, but if you've got a real church, you should go have your open air church service. Even if you believe the covid hoax, that's the same place to be out the sunshine and preach the First Amendment, which is free speech and religion. So that's why we're having this rally for free speech and open air church service. Everybody's welcome with your Christian or not this Sunday at the Texas Capitol in the governor's mansion is approximately 300 yards away. We're going to

march up there and just say shame on you Abbott. Shame on you. I can't wait to see the relative size of the protest. It's going to be huge. It's going to be huge compared to women's march levels. Yeah. Yeah. All around the globe even going to have like 70 people in Austin. Maybe maybe more than that. Maybe a couple hundred and then compare that to the like tens of thousands with the Black Lives Matter protest. Man, I can. I can imagine the howl and it would be deafening beyond all reason, but if I could, I'd have like a little agency in the IRS that's just like sending people around waiting for this kind of stuff with a little signature on a losing your tax exempt status, right? Just like waiting there. They're

like the moment he's like and that's why we should vote. You'd be like by pop out of the be surprised. No more tax exempt status. That's never going to happen under Trump. Oh no, but that would be really interesting of like you doing this would be crossing the line between your your church is now a political action. Exactly. Just have somebody waiting in the bushes. They're announcing when this is going to happen. Have a nice little stamp made up that says no more tax exempt status. That would be wild. I'd love it. Yeah. Well, don't think it's going to happen. Nobody expects the American Inquisition. Alex is really desperate about this mask stuff in a way that I don't fully understand. Like I understand his version of it. He's like

this is getting you to submit so to your and he can come in. I don't. I don't. I don't agree with his assessment, but I get he's saying that. Yeah, I don't think he even believes that absolutely not, but there's an intensity behind it that leads to even sloppier work than normal. Here's an example of the stuff we've been posting. I am exempt from all regulation manatee face mask uses in public wearing a mask poses a health risk to me under the ADA and HIPAA. I am not required to disclose my medical conditions to anyone. Department of Justice ADA violation information line 805143001. Organizations of businesses can be fined $75,000 for the first ADA violation and $100,000 for any subsequent violations. Attention government agents.

This is something a citizen made. We've put it over at I can't breathe. We can't breathe. We can't breathe. News and a bunch of other flyers, but this is the law. This is accurate. This is the truth. It's not. When I first saw it on social media, I thought there was about an 80% chance that Alex would be tricked by the fake mask exemption cards that were going around and it looks like he has. This should come as no surprise seeing as he had Dr. Rima Labo and General Stubblebind. I was thinking about the Stubblebind just going like 40 bucks. Send away your 40 bucks. Laminate it. Don't vaccinate it. This is a grift that goes deep in the the right wind.

Never ending. So this card went viral online, but it's a meaningless piece of paper. There's no backing of the Department of Justice or the ADA to carrying this card and refusing someone entry to your store who's carrying that card or not and not wearing a mask would result in no penalty whatsoever. The card has a website on it, the FTBA or the Freedom to Breathe Agency. Oh, God. Damn it. This is not a real entity and their website links to a shitty Wix page that's already been taken down. That sounds right. There are all that was there like that website in its original form. It was just there to data harvest and solicit donations. It's just yet another right wing grift trying to take advantage of vulnerable people who were scared about the

pandemic, but are also super weird and paranoid as it turns out the Freedom to Breathe Agency is just an alias of another recently created group called the anti mask task force. I guess they thought that their new name sounded better and was more conducive to them pulling off this card. Hoax. I think it's that little tongue twister anti mask task force. It's a little. I guess that's not really a tongue twister. That kind of has a ring to it. Honestly, I prefer that name. Hmm. So on the twenty third Alex had Gavin McGuinness on because he got kicked off YouTube. Sure. Now we get another guest who's been kicked off things. We've got Carpe Dungtum who just got banned Trump's favorite meme maker because he dare criticize CNN. He'll be joining us. Carpe

Dungtum did not get kicked off Twitter for daring to criticize CNN. Pretty sure he did. It was for repeated violations of copyright rules. The most of the most recent which might end up completely derailing his life. So the Donk manipulated video of a couple of toddlers to create a parody of those supposed to look like a CNN report out of it. The video itself shows a black and white toddler recognizing each other and running towards each other to embrace the version that the Donk put out was made. It was made to appear that this was a CNN report and the Kyron said quote terrified toddler runs away from racist baby and suggests that the white baby is a Trump supporter. Sure. Sure. So the structure of the video is that it shows that it's like this is like CNN's

how they would report this story. Okay. And then it goes to what the actual story is and it shows the babies hug it because they are fake news and yes. Yes. It's very clever. That meme Carpe Dungtum will even like his argument is like they're proving my point because all they do is show the beginning of it. They don't show the part where I say what the real story was and like they don't need to. You're the part where you're lying about CNN and this shit is at the beginning. Who cares about the second part. You're missing my point. Well that's fine. I am missing your point. Although I disagree but you're not even paying attention to my point which is why you're going to go broke. From a very basic level I can see how this could fall under the heading of being

satire and protected by free speech but even if that's his argument the satire is really bad. He's trying to suggest that CNN would cover this story as a case of a racist baby but CNN did in fact cover the video and it came out and they covered it not as like a heartwarming human interest story where these two babies are friends. The impression that the doc was hoping to express with his supposed satire piece is directly contradicted by reality so it fails to really be satire as much as it is just race baiting and white victimhood propaganda. That's all this is. I swear to you if I could I would start a consulting if anybody was interested. I would start a consulting firm purely for judges and the like on what satire is like I'll just be

there. I'll just have complete written summaries of why something is or is not satire and then we can deal with the first amendment. I would never want to do that because like you know bad satire is still protected. Exactly you know I'm not shitty satire. That's why I don't want to be involved because I would want consequences for shitty satire if I have one specialty. It is knowing what is and is not satire regardless of its quality. I'm not measuring little bad satire. That's a good role for you. I think it'd be great. I will with recuse myself fair enough. Ultimately whether or not this video is satire is probably the least of the doc's issues. According to an article in Forbes the parents of the children are suing Carpe Doctor real name Logan Cook

for using altered footage of their children without permission to create a video that was a quote advertisement and political propaganda. One of the parents lawyers said quote the fact that Twitter and Facebook disabled this fake video within 24 hours of President Trump and his campaign tweeting it coupled with Twitter permanently banning cook is very strong evidence that a jury will likely find that all of these people broke the law by using this video as advertisement and political propaganda. It's tough to say which direction this is going to break but even if the lawsuit isn't successful it's important to remember that Carpe Doctor is a huge piece of shit and the parents of the children that he used in a race baiting propaganda video to sport Trump

don't want their kids being used like that which makes a lot of sense. It's shitty. This is real shitty. My lawyer said Carpe Doctor can go fuck himself. That was a really strong statement he put out but nobody asked him. Yeah. So I mean look I don't I don't know where this is going to go. Yeah. But I certainly hope that Carpe Doctor get sued. Yeah. This is this is one of those situations where you know for a fact that it's wrong and then you go into the legal system and you're like I don't fucking know how they're going to view it. Right. Who knows what the shit is going on with their heads. But it's wrong. If it was your kids like. Yeah. How could you not like be entitled to some sort of compensation for that. Totally. You're you're you're fucking

like twenty six month old child is being used. Yeah. For purposes that are abhorrent without your permission or contact or anything like that. You would you would assume that CNN when they cover the video they got permission to use it. I would. That's how most of these outlets work generally speaking. Yeah. It's called ethics. I really hope that there's a hammer coming down on this. This don't. If they're the heroes that take down like let's start. Let's get that turn into a movement. You know just start suing shooting people. Yeah. So Alex gets to Carpe Doctor a little bit down the road. But before he does he has another interview which is with a lady named Bonnie Cudlip who apparently used to work on Abbott's Governor Abbott's campaign

but now works overnight doing stocking at an H.E.B. grocery store but doesn't work there anymore because she refused to wear a mask and got fired. I don't care. This seems to me to be someone who's just there to talk shit about Governor Abbott. That does sound like what and promote the upcoming. I don't want to wear a mask March. Yeah. That's that's Governor Abbott's Larry Nichols. So she's on and they talk they talk about this situation. There's some some weird stuff here. But Bonnie Cudlip who I've met before out of Second Amendment rallies. I saw her when she was behind a desk in there and then I went out to you know during a break she came in and sitting down telling her story about being fired from major grocery store chain

here in Texas H.E.B. for being an overnight stalker and say I don't want to wear a mask. I'm exempt from and I have asthma. I didn't then she starts getting up. She has crutches under the desk. She's like oh yeah I broke my foot pulling the pallets. That's another reason they fired me and H.E.B. is known for no workers comp. It's as close to slave labor as you can get. Terrible company. Terrible people. People that own it. Family knew them way back at Baylor. Just horrible scum of the earth. But that's a side issue. Now you've worked inside there. You recap the story and the parts that you didn't tell folks about your foot getting broken dragging around this mask. Dragging around the mask. I have no idea what's true about this story about this woman being

fired for not wearing a mask. I have no idea if she is someone who has a legitimate condition that would exempt her from wearing a mask then I assume that she should have a pretty decent wrongful termination claim but at this point all I have to go on is that she's saying these things on info wars which doesn't really fill me with a lot of confidence. What I find more interesting is how detached from any real semblance of principles Alex is here. He wants to evoke sympathy for Cudlip so he's talking about how HEB didn't pay her workman's comp but if I'm not mistaken based on his political positions he shouldn't believe that employers should be required to pay that kind of compensation at all. Yeah absolutely. Workers enter into a contract of employment aware

of risks involved and forcing an employer to pay for any clumsiness or carelessness of his employees that's an undue burden and it's a breach of the freedom of association. His professed libertarian ideas should make him believe that Bonnie had no right to the job if she wasn't doing it to the satisfaction of her employer. She entered into the contract with the employer and she breached the terms of it by refusing to wear a mask thus HEB was absolutely within their right to fire her. Yep. This is one of the reasons that libertarianism is pretty tough to defend in the real world. Alex standing by his principles that he pretends to have would require him to side with HEB over Bonnie even if she is very sympathetic and has a broken foot. The very safety nets that we have

to protect someone for being unjustly fired or to force a company to pay for on-the-job injuries they only exist because of the work of people Alex would call demonic globalist communists. Go fuck yourself Alex. You want to live in the world that your enemies create. That's why you live in Austin. You just dumb asshole. No it's like when my oldest brother was on unemployment when this started and it's like then then shut the fuck up forever. You never get to speak again. Never get to complain about other people having access to social safety nets. Say to yourself thank god I had this unemployment check to help me get through this time and then what happens then you start thinking well other people if they go through this time should they deserve

that same kind of thing and then all of a sudden every conservative bullshit line you get is over yeah but they can't do it. Socialism for me not for everybody else. Yep. Alex demands workman's comp. Yeah fuck off. And employment protection. Yeah and paid maternally fuck off. You don't believe in any of that stuff Alex. You're not supposed to. How dare you. Yeah Alex is going socialist. Yeah yeah yeah for me and my white friends and no one else. So I don't care about their interview like I said like I can't find any news stories about her being fired or anything like that so I don't have any perspective on it outside of what's presented on info wars and quite frankly I don't care if that's all the information that I have then I can't really

work with it. I don't even trust that she's got an actual broken foot and I don't believe her. I don't believe anything. All right so he gets to Carpe doctor and it's just like if they can take me out they can take anybody out. I don't know about that. At the top of the list that's topped out. I am Spartacus. Yeah whatever. Sure. And this is just the only clip that I thought was pretty funny. And just last week Carpe don't want to an hour plan phone tag about him going ahead and getting a site on band video because of all the censorship and then wallop big national news story breaking yesterday Carpe don't them band for the video we're about to play. Now for radio listeners you've got to go to band video to see it in the streams. Carpe don't them head of

fucking channel on band video for a long time. No I don't know. He's just in negotiations to get it. He's had a channel the meme world. But I mean it was there but it's not it's you know it's not no one cares. No everybody cares. Everybody cares real hard. This is another one of those things where it just feels like Alex is trying to cash in on some sort of attention that these people have like a flicker. Yeah there's a little bit of a window where it's like and even Carpe don't them says something to the effect of like it's really nice to talk to you whenever there's chaos and it kind of feels like yes the only time that you are valuable to Alex is when you get banned from something and he can hopefully get a little bit of that attention. Does he say it like

knowing what's going on or is he or is he somewhat oblivious like he's aware unconsciously of the pattern. It's hard to tell. It could be a knowing wink of like you keep doing yeah or it could be a thing where it's like you know hey the life's a whirlwind. It's always nice to take time out of my day to talk. Sure. Sure. Who knows. It's really hard to tell but I found it to be a little bit telling whatever the intention of it was. Yeah. So he's got you know he's going to get this band on video page that he already has. That's great. And Alex discusses this like this is the last clip that I have because he just interviews Larry Pinkney the guy from the Black Panthers. Yeah. Great. I don't care. Nope. It's just the two. It's just the two of them yelling about

Patriots Patriotism Patriots. Yeah. I don't care. And so like this is the last clip and it's them talking about like band.video and Alex basically admits why like he's censoring everybody on his own website. So stupid. Carpe Dongton anybody who wants a channel out there that is a known quantity you know obviously he put random people on they'll get a suit but we're going to have a form on there where it's like you know third party just like the section 230 but. So he understands that if he opened up his platform the way that large corporations and large online platforms do he would get sued. Yeah. And he knows that in order for that not to happen he has to censor content by not even allowing most people to upload stuff onto there. Nope. And he gets it he

understands for his own space. Yeah. He gets it. Yep. Yep. I am willfully lying about stuff. That's so annoying. Yeah. It's very annoying. Can't get away with it. Yeah you can. It's like James will keep shitty videos like demand better. I think I think it's actually kind of a good sign because I think it means that people just don't give a shit. Yeah. That's probably true. And maybe that's maybe this cesspool is ours and ours alone. Yeah Dan maybe that's a conditional bright spot. We'll see. Anyway that brings us to the end of this. I find I found these couple days tragic. Yeah. Really bad. Just just a fucking Sahara desert of interest. I don't care about any of these dicks. Come on. The dunked him has things to say.

I don't care about Carpe. Don't I don't care about Gavin McGinnis. I don't care about James he started vice. I don't give a fuck. James O'Keeffe. He's the lead live investigator. I don't care about this Facebook guy. Cognizant guy trying to run a grift. Hey he's going to be testifying in front of Congress. No he's not. I don't care about any of this stuff. I don't give a shit. She broke her foot. It just all seems very desperate and it feels attention grabby you know you add that in with the the we can't breathe website and March and all this stuff. It just just feels like this show. It doesn't always feel like this but this stretch of time particularly just really feels like impotent weak trolling and it's just not interesting at all.

It kind of feels like this was the this was the first time that they really did get together in a writer's room and like toss around ideas and all of the ideas were like oh he's got a little heat on him. Let's bring him on the show. That's it. Yeah and also how could we be more racist and offensive. Let's just brainstorm ways and let's not check and see if we can't breathe is already the name of something. Don't bother right. There's no way anyone else could have thought of this. Yep. We're info wars. We're the tip of the spear guys. Holy shit. I pray for rain metaphorically to to create some greenery. Are you joining that Austin prayer group before you will not be doing. You won't be doing that. Staying home. That'd be funny if they were praying

for rain and we'll see what happens. But we'll be back on Monday for another episode. But until then we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight dot com. I got to get knowledge fight dot news. So I can't. Also like I should ask him for a channel on band dot video. If it's a free speech platform, we wouldn't do anything to get him sued. That's actually true. Yeah, we should start making videos for band dot video. I don't think that would go well. I think that would break the no no interfering with the observation conflicted about it. They're just as an experiment. I would like to have a channel. He let us of course not right, but he should of course he should. I feel like this might be a point where I could break the non intervention.

Oh, do you think this is because we could wage an entire campaign like let us on band dot of course coward. Why won't you let you think that's a good idea? I do too, but I don't want to that's our same attention seeking bullshit that we criticize him for. However, this would be fun and satirical. Exactly. We both did the same point at each other with the word and the reason it would be satire is because we would have absolutely no intention of actually making videos on his site. Of course not. I'm going to say we're not going to do this, but keep it on the back burner in this week. There's no downside. Maybe we should have that as like an outrageous patreon break in case

of break glass. Yeah, we'll see. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed. Jordan and I'm going to scoop up at Carpe Doctin, which is now available. Oh really go for it. We're also on Facebook. We are on Facebook and we like dollars. So review itunes. And if you could please find a local charity in your area, support a bail fund, support something along those lines for people doing God's work right now. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm the juiciest ice cube. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.