Knowledge Fight - #476: Moon Colonies Part 2

Episode Date: September 2, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan attempt to take a Wacky Wednesday break by looking into a possible show featuring space weirdos. In this installment, the gents learn a little more about the first space captain they met, and discover the physical state of souls.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight and your knowledge fight need money stop it and the intense and the intense just time to pray and the intense you're on the earth thanks for holding knowledge fight knowledge fight I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan. Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot today? Well, not plant related, but I was at the store the other

day. Take it back. Is it the grocery store feeling down and I looked over to my left looked over to my right. What did I see on the salad dressing aisle but Italian dressing from Olive Garden? Yep. And so I bought some. It's really good. It's great. Of course it is. Of course you love it. Of course you love it. I haven't been to Olive Garden in forever. It's been a very long time. I don't think it's probably actually even that good. No, of course not. But there's just something about that. Yeah, it's childhood. No, it's

not. I never went to Olive Garden. You never went to Olive Garden. I think I went for the first time. I went probably was like when I was 18 19 or so. Oh man. Wow. I thought the dressing backdoor like because of the free breadsticks. That's the only reason why I end up liking that. No, we went to like Fazzoli's generally when I was in high school for the free breadsticks. They were easier to scam. Yeah, because at Olive Garden, you'd still have to buy something. That's true. That's really easy. You could just buy a drink and still get free. Well, that's thievery. Yeah, that's that. I mean, we were in high school. Wow. That's you got a report. We

want some breadsticks. You need bread sometimes. Yeah, so I want to drink this Italian. Quite frankly, so yeah, I've been going crazy with Italian. All right, I like it. How about you? My bright spot is Dan. You know, I've talked about music in the past. I like it. I was listening to music and then I came upon Segar Rose once more and I was listening to the Segar Rose and I remember that the greatest concert that I've ever been to was when I was 18. I went and saw them at the Chicago Theatre round about the time I got to all of it was on the tack tour after they just released the album. Incredible. Greatest concert of my life. It's my bright spot

because as you know, I don't like to deal with my memories too much. I like to keep them in boxes. Nice memory. I got it. I had a nice memory. It's been a while since I've had much like my memory of all the garden Italian dress exactly. We're we're doing it. You're a nostalgic right now. Absolutely. Yeah, so Jordan today. We got an interesting episode to go over. I after our last episode on Monday could not handle more of Alex. No, I needed a little bit of a break. Yeah, and we got got some some interesting situation going on here. All right, so I went to Project Camelot's YouTube page course because I'm constantly just being like come back.

Maybe maybe today. Maybe today's the day. Maybe she's like this paywall thing isn't working. I got to go back to YouTube. I think it might not be working because the last two. There's two new episodes that were both released on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, but they weren't on topics that I think are interesting at all. So but that is a sign that maybe the next time she goes and talks to Mark Richards, we might still have access to that's going to be YouTube. That's going to be YouTube for sure. I would think so. Yeah, it's got to be and actually today. Thankfully, I was looking at our email and I'd gotten an email from Robert W.

Okay, and he'd sent in a little bit of a suggestion for something to fill the gap of Project Camelot. All right, and that is a show called unexplained with Howard Hughes. Okay, Howard Howard Hughes, not that. Oh, no. Spruce Goose Guy. What happened to him? Is he okay? Bad news. He's hanging out down to Grand Prix. No. So Robert had sent me this recommendation and I was scrolling through the people who've been guests on this show. Sure. Out of the UK real real cool British announcer guy. All right. There's some people like John Rappaport. There's some people like Gerald Salente. Got to have him. And you know, so there's a lot of

there's some in fours adjacency here. We've been all over David Ike on there too. Of course, any weirdo show you have. You're gonna get David Ike. Yeah, but I found one episode that I thought like I've never listened to this guy. I don't know his product. I don't know anything about this. Uh-huh. This if we're going to do a trial balloon episode, this will be the one. It's not Mark Richards. All right. Well, I hope not. No, he is not from the UK. I think you're giving him sky packs is now. I don't think that's good. No, so we're gonna get into this, but before we do, we gotta take a little moment to say thank you to folks who

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today's episode Z. Got a look in the mail bag. All right. First virtual mail bag. I mentioned on our last episode that I got really bummed out because the website for Jelly Belly. They didn't. We didn't allow you to buy cells. No, of course not. And policy wonk Evan commented on Facebook that they were all available at a local jewel here in Chicago because of course they would be out. And so I got the seltzer mobile out, which is a lift. I went over to that that jewel immediately and I

bought all eight flavors. Of course you did. I have tried a number of them. All right. And they're fine. They're they're fine. They're pretty good. I think that's I think that's better than I would have expected. They're candy. Yes. So you think they'd be sweet. Right. They're really not. No, it's it's strange. There's even like an orange sherbet flavor. Yeah, it's not really overly sweet. No, it's pretty. It's pretty subtle. Do they go like the Jelly Belly route and get like

actual buttered popcorn? No, no, no, no. See now that's what I want from a jelly. That would be disgusting. No, there's a there's like grapefruit, tangerine, very cherry, very cherry vanilla, pina colada. Of course, a couple others. All right. Orange sherbet and pina colada are probably as rangey as it gets. Yeah, but one of the cool things that I'm excited to try isn't they force you to buy like you can't just buy a single yeah, but you the the thing that I want to do is mix them, you

know, like vanilla and cherry. All right, if we could make maybe make a nice cream soda, cherry something like that. I got you. Yeah, so that I appreciate that in the digital mail bag, but from the actual mail bags. Yep. Yeah, got got a nice little thing from Paul in Austin. All right, sent over some other seltzers as well. Some Austin seltzers that look really great. I'm excited to try them. I've not had a chance yet. Just got this in, but one of them is called the party

pickle. Okay, and I'm not excited about that. That seems like the only one I want to. It's a pickle flavored seltzer. Yeah, and it's a party and it's it's this brand big swig, right? All the other cans from this company, normal size, party pickle, tall boy. Yeah, they're not. They're not booze either. They're just a you. Hey, what are you gonna drink a normal size seltzer at a party? No, you're gonna pickle it up. Maybe maybe not. I don't know. Okay, that's fair. Maybe I just want a taste of

the pickle seltzer and also Paul sent us a couple shirts. Oh, okay. So I want you to take a look at this, this here shirt and see what you think about it because it's a little bit cool. If you see this, this shirt, it is a guy blowing an armadillo. It really does seem like it's a guy blowing an armadillo and I've been staring at it for a while, trying to think of any other thing that it I think that's probably what it is. It says keep Austin weird. It does. Yeah, and I think blowing an

armadillo would do that. I like that the tradition of listeners sending me shirts that I will never wear in public has continued but thank you Paul. No, no, no. Have you guys seen that the guy who wears the blowing an armadillo shirt? He's a really cool guy. A lot of coffee shop. A lot of fun working out at home shirts from our listeners, but thank you, Paul. Yes, thank you very much. So on zip wait, we know whatever zip. All right, D zip. Sure. Okay, so Jordan. I don't know anything about Howard

Hughes. Of course, the guy who hosts the show right. I know nothing about him. I was trying to come into this with no idea what I'm looking at because I want to consider this a possible day for us to look at and understand more about and I first of all, I think this guy is incredibly charming right off the bat. Well, that's great. This show opens up like first of all, his voice fun. Okay. Second, like it's just I mean, listen to this guy sounds nice across the UK, across

continental North America and around the world on the internet by webcast and by podcast. My name is Howard Hughes and this is the return of the unexplained. Greetings from springtime in London as I said those words a little burst of sunshine came through my window which is a bit of a rarity these days. It's been like kind of mini winter for the last two weeks here but nice to see that things may be moving in the right direction but I know some

of you don't like me giving weather reports from London so we won't dwell on that actually quite a few of you do but that's a whole other topic. Have you told me and a narrative arc of like the fourth doctor was he became a radio host for a while? I would buy it and it would be this show. I find it so charming that he opens the show talking about the weather and then gets self conscious like some of you don't like me talk about the weather

but you know what some of you do great. I like it. I like it off off the off the jump. He's he's kind of I'm on his team so far very human. Yes. And so we get in this next clip you pretty quickly introduces who the guest is and you'll see why I chose this Captain Randy Kramer. Okay, you've been costing on the show and it took a little bit of time to get it together but we've got him on this edition. Captain Randy Kramer claims that he is part of a secret force that is already exploring

and part of Mars. You'll hear the whole story here. So there's a misconception that some people have because of our fascination with Mark Richard. Sure that Mark Richards was the first episode of project that we looked at. No, he was when in reality the first episode we did had to do with Captain Randy Kramer. We stuck with captains captains are for space weirdos lieutenant kernels are for gun weirdos. Yeah, for secret sources. Yeah. So yeah, we got Randy Kramer in here. I figured

like if this is going to be something we look at at least as a candidate, the first episode got to be Randy Kramer. If you want us to cover your product on our show, put Randy Kramer in a book. Randy Kramer jelly belly is making a Randy Kramer flavored seltzer. Randy of course is the guy who was fighting aliens on Mars and the moon and had the the holographic med beds indeed that he was trying to kickstart. Yep. For a while. So we'll get into some more of that. But that's who he is. I

believe our Bay our original episode of him was called like Mars colonies. Mars base. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can find that in the archives. It's fantastic. Yeah. So Howard starts out the show before the interview with giving like I really this guy is charming. Okay. Graham says he's 40 miles from Popacata Petal 10. He's reading an email from a listen. Okay. Miles from the Great Pyramid of Cholula and 15 miles from the town of atlasko. He said the reason I mentioned this

is because ever since I moved here 24 years ago, many people say there've been sightings of alien ships at these places. I've been to all of them and I haven't seen any sightings. It's plausible that aliens if they exist visit Popacata Petal and the Great Pyramid. But atlasko he says all that town is known for is the meat market, the local ice cream of the garden center. One of those things who knows maybe there's a big shortage of

ice cream on Alpha Santora. Who knows? This is like if BBC four had a show where they're just like yeah, aliens are real. I'm fine with that. But I love it. I don't feel like at this point if you're listening to this, I don't feel like I've heard an editorial decision. No from the anchor agree like Howard. The way he responds to that is jovial and jokey kind of like that's not saying like oh yeah, the aliens must be coming there because they like ice cream. See

and now we're getting into trouble. Here's where here. I've just been burned too much. I've just been burned too much because we haven't heard any editorial decision. I'm still on edge like my hackles are raised. Yeah, it's like when are you going to say something about how you hate Jews? Where does it happen? Yeah, what is it going to happen? And that's something is it may not. We don't know what if he doesn't hate Jews? What do we even do? That's like a unicorn. How do

we fit that into the concept? Exactly. Is this actually just pure space weirdo? Could be. Oh God, I'd save. Yeah, it'd be amazing. Now in addition to having some listeners who like the meat market and the ice cream down in New Mexico. It's fantastic. Yeah, also some listeners in Canada and again it's charming to know when Jonathan in Mississauga, Ontario. I've always loved that name, Mississauga. You're so in love with him from Canada and I love it when they say some

of the great place names in Canada like Yellowknife and Mississauga, you know, and one of these days I want to come to Canada. But anyway, let me get to the email. Yeah, you and I have had the same conversation about Awaga Dugu. Sure. This is word for word. You be like, I just love the way certain names are pronounced. Yeah, exactly. Madagascar. This is this is yeah, this is this is fantastic. I'm enjoying this. So he has done the business up top. He's talked to a couple of

emails. We've learned he loves the name Mississauga who doesn't and so now it's time to introduce Captain Kramer. We are fascinated by the red planet. Mars is a place that we are actively making plans to visit. There are private companies doing that. There are plans by NASA and others to explore the red planet more and maybe to terraform Mars in other words to turn it into an environment that you could live on to be able to turn the red dust into something that you

grow things on. It's not science fiction anymore. And it's all in the pipeline. It's stuff that we dreamt about when we were kids and now seems to be coming for real. It's coming reality. We're actually a lot of us going to live to see this. But there's another perspective on all of this. What if I told you that there are people who say that we have been to Mars we're actively involved in Mars and we have a team of people who are explorers of Mars already. I'd say you were full

of shit with Captain Randy Kramer. He claims to have spent 17 years on Mars and three years on a secret space fleet as part of explorations. So he claims to be as opposed to he did do this. This guy is already it's it's already the different framing. You can tell there's a there's a sense of it that is like well this is what he says. Yeah and the editorial position is still unestablished even as as we're coming in and you can see craft you can see a bit of like like

what I wrote down was someone wrote something yeah slash someone involved preparation. Yeah. This is why there's a there's a bit of care that is clearly put into the product here. Yeah. So when you when you hear like Randy Kramer on Project Camelot it's just like hey blue blop by breaks breaking up. He's one of the most important whistleblowers of all time. He heard that this guy is the best. I believe everything that he's ever said even though a lot of it contradicts some

of the people that yeah. So at the at the outside we have a charming British man who likes city and can make jokes about aliens like an ice cream. Yeah and he apparently at this point at least doesn't seem to be pushing yeah for this person to be credible or correct totally which I appreciate because it's very uncommon for us. See once again I'm feeling like this is a honeypot. This is a trap somehow like this guy only started three years ago after listening to our first

episode was like some day. No I think I think he has a couple I have like 400 episodes. Damn. Yeah. All right. A while. Okay. So here comes Randy and he's going to tell his little story about how he was bred to be a super soldier. Okay. Can I call you Captain Randy Kramer or Randy Randy's just fine. Randy thanks very much for coming on. Talk to me about you then what's your background. Oh wow well I guess if you're asking about my military background I am literally born

out of a project that was drum dreamt up in the mid 60s to augment and or create from scratch genetically augmented soldiers. So he was in the military before he was even born. Well of course he was. Yes. Yeah. I like that. I mean Howard's being polite. I call you Randy Captain Kramer. I hear look I think this is because we're American but when he said can I call you Captain Randy or just Randy I want to say that was a really deep insult right there like there was something

David like can I call you Captain Randy right because it's not can I call you Randy comma Captain Randy it's can I call you Captain Randy such as to say that I'm kind of treating you as a as a novelty as like a can I call you Captain Randy because no one else will it's you know what I'm saying it's interesting it's it's kind of tough to read sometimes how like the ways in which politeness can be used as a weapon. Yeah exactly no I don't trust British people. I know you're using the sneaky you're

nice. So military people realize at a certain point that they had this alien technology right they've gotten this from crafts and what have you yeah and they were trying to use it on soldiers right because why wouldn't you right and but they kept finding out doesn't work you got to do it with babies or something sure you've got to you've got to breed super soldiers. Well we certainly at that time we're cracking a

number of different books and tables of information from extraterrestrial sources and extraterrestrial technology that was giving us jumps ahead of civilian technology and civilian research and development so the ability for the military to start doing genetic experiments ahead of what anything in the civilian world was was due to that to advance technology infused within those programs that gave us to leap ahead. All right once we had access to that technology people

wanted to figure out how to use it and so the first thing to do was try and figure out how to augment who you've already got and we did enough tests with that and realize that it was minimally effective that you really just had to do what some of the ETS were telling us that we needed to do who were working this including scientists who were coming down working in our labs on the ground on terrestrial soil with us to advise us now you really want to do this right you got to start from the

ground up and you got to build the chain and build a map and start from the beginning and don't do it later on so you can hear at the end of that way there is excuse me there is the desire to ask follow up question which you can hear you know which runs throughout which again I appreciate but yeah so we had this tech and you couldn't use it with existing soldiers who had to sort of genetically alter and create people who could use this tech or whatever great I want to say I want to say

everything tracks there for the most part as far as like if you accept a premise then the offshoot at least makes sense from where you're starting everything was going great up until he was like well we had this alien technology so they were like let's just use it on the guys we have like that was their first option was like hey we got this alien tech I don't know Frank's not busy sure to toss it on him let's see what happens they didn't try it on it does make sense all right fine if you

accept a got except be it's against the law so Geneva convention I learned that recently so if we've got this program where these these these youths are being created before birth to be able to use this tech sure you know it raises the question when did Randy get involved that this happened Randy where did you come into all of this then what we were you serving with whom well no no that is the answer to where I come in all this I was one of the first

genetically created soldiers from that project I was built in a Petri dish from the ground up in late nineteen mid nineteen sixty nine and I was born in nineteen seventy you're kidding I mean I hear what you say perfectly rational when you talk to me how can we be sure of that not the kind that I could show you through radio channels that's for sure okay so yeah I mean already out of the gate there is a mildly insulting your kidding I can't I can't but

begin to describe to you how much the your kidding took me by surprise yeah in our world no one ever says ever ever when you listen to like project or some of these just these these just people who believe anything yeah but there's never a what the fuck are you talking about does anybody just go come on and he asked for proof and Randy says I have proof but not that can give you a radio tell it to you so that is also pushed a tiny bit and this is what Randy

comes up with is his best proof okay that he actually is a super soldier who is fighting on Mars I'm with you the the main piece of proof that I have to throw out to people is that I live in the most militarized nation in the world we have no sense of humor at all about people who impersonate officers for interest in what so ever not true if I were impersonating an officer and I've spoken to my attorney about this they're absolutely steps that would be taken by the FBI and by the

Marine Corps to discuss with me about my fraudulently doing so and how I needed to cease and desist and do that right so they thought you were passing yourself off as Randy Captain Randy Kramer of the Space Corps they were closing down for us well I'm saying is that that if I were doing that fraudulently the the process that they would follow through on is to contact me and tell me to cease and desist and show proof in which case then I would say great I'd love a hearing

and a Jag officer and my lawyer has essentially assured me that I'm probably never going to hear from them because they never want to give me a hearing so that's where I have my first problem he can take two points of view on that last little piece of it for me yeah so his best evidence for why this is real is that no one's tried to stop him got you got your journalism you thought you had me you thought you could catch me with this whole proof question let me tell you

something what's the sound of one hand not slapping me while silence yeah so this also really creates an interesting problem for me when Randy keeps talking because you know he's saying that like I've talked to my lawyer about what would happen if I was faking all this to which is lawyers that you're kidding and why would he ask his lawyer any of these questions if what I'm about to play you is true good question so you're saying that they're letting you do this and they're letting you

come on shows like this one because you're telling the truth but if you were telling the truth wouldn't that be a reason to close you down I'll go a step further than that no the command staff of United States Marine Corps special section decided that they needed a public spokesperson to act as their public relations officer and apparently there was a short list of which my name was put on and then when they went through that list eventually it came up to me and

then my Brigadier General asked me very politely if I wanted to be the public spokesperson guy and first I was like not really but he convinced me and I said all right fine and so yeah my commanders have absolutely authorized me through a number of legal parameters which exist in the United States Marine Corps special section special code of conduct that go beyond giving me permission outside of security clearance is actually a legal mandate for me to do what I'm

doing he legally has to come on these shows and talk shit about how he's a super soldier. All right now that is airtight but do you understand like why this is now really confusing why were you talking to your lawyer about the potential consequences of yeah fraud. Couldn't you just talk to your Brigadier General about the potential consequences of yeah like talk to your a go ask your Brigadier General like a chain of command really important. Hey Brig what would

happen if I were faking what I'm doing but I'm not because this is totally legitimate. Listen I would love to give you advice on that but I need to tell you to talk to a lawyer first. You got to lawyer up. You got to lawyer up. So I find this out of the gate convoluted not great. Not great and so one of the things that's really nice about this sort of British interview style is that it is largely polite. You know like there is you can tell there might be times when he might

want Howard might want to ask something a little more direct sure but because it's an interview and this person is your guest there is sort of a decorum that Howard carries with him and so he moves on to another topic and this this one is really where I got like serious red flags. I mean I already had them but well yeah Randy talks about his early life coming to understand that he was a super soul. Yeah I believe there were dreams the last there are some dreams

they will be in the mix. There's two things happening at the same time that you're living a normal life which you wake up every day and you perceive that you are going through normally and then usually at nighttime when they decide to go take you away for training periods or educational missions or educational experiences whatever the training is which ends up being you know a number of years total worth training because they're start when you're a toddler who are they who

are they run by United States Marine Corps special section called Project Moon Shadow Project Moon Shadow like it I'm dreaming of one like it so yeah he's got this this whole situation where Randy saying he's living a normal life but then at night sometimes they take you on training missions yeah and at the same time he's saying he was created wholly in a lab in a Petrie dish as a super soldier sure and so this is kind of

getting to Howard and he's like your parents have to be involved in this right? No no no. Wow. And your physiological parents who contributed to you and how how involved were they in this they must have been totally involved in this I just can't work that out. This is a real sticking point for Howard which I appreciate because it is so logistical you know it is so like wait hold on yeah how would that like would they they had to have known that they had like an artificial at the very

least did your parents have an artificial insemination yeah exactly they have an appointment nine months before you were born with a doctor who may have secretly yeah exactly there has to be something or like you disappeared at night when you were really young how they were always sleeping how would okay sure no parent has ever woken up in the middle of the night to go check and see whether or not their child is still asleep this never happened this becomes an issue for him but before

that really becomes a hurdle there's also the question of like wait if your parents didn't know about this how do you know about good question how did you get knowledge of it then if they didn't know who told you well I always would wake up with memories of things that would happen in the middle of the night you would just wake up and sort of disassociate them thinking wow that was the strangest longest dream ever even though you had a dream that

seemed to last days or weeks at a time and seem to be very consistent and not have weird dream like qualities to it and have a very solid linear timeline to it other than that you know you wake up and they're sort of this when you're talking about how like brain wave at conscious brain wave activity works when you move from data felt a data sorry delta theta wave sleep states and move up to us called your alpha bridge into your beta states you often forget

and disassociate what's happening in that theta or delta state so because primarily what you're being trained in is in a lower brain wave consciousness state which is actually better for training than a high beta state of course you come out of sort of into your waking consciousness you kind of shake it off and go wow that was a really weird long dream even though totally nothing about it if you were to sit down with a dream analyst at that age and talk to them would

really indicate that you were having a dream they would go wow that is the weirdest experience I've ever heard but you don't think that I don't trust your email you just think wow right there weirdest longest dream ever and I learned after a few conversations with my parents like you know waking up and sitting at the breakfast table and saying why I had this weird dream last night let me tell you about it and getting those disconcerted looks from your parents to know

I shouldn't bring this up again that makes them worried. Okay, there's a lot going on there's a lot on back there's a lot going on here and none of it to me sounds like super soldier stuff. There's a lot of bullshit and what I think is true is real a bummer. It sounds like a creative child having good dreams. Yeah and maybe some kind of an inability to connect with parents around these dreams that leads them to creating alternative explanations for why they're

having what I hear what I hear so so simply could be boiled that because I experienced this too as a child which is that that old like you know I got an A plus I got an A plus I need to see the counselor you know like that kind of like that's what I'm hearing right now sure sure but there are just these these concrete issues like the question of if you're doing all this shit and being trained as a fucking Mars super soldier space person how did your parents not notice a really good

question Howard cannot let that go and I think that's good because it's a really important point. So when did the force that created you to serve intervene and start getting involved in your life as a kid when did they start training you and how the earliest memories of training are probably really somewhere between about three and a half and four years old okay and you would be taken away from your parents for training right and they didn't know anything about this

well you know when I was a kid if anybody taken me away from my mom and dad they'd be hearing from my dad pretty damn quick right right so there is an explanation sure I don't know if it's a good one okay so your parents they must have been aware of this or they must have made a fuss about if you if you were disappearing for periods going to get training and you work with them presumably surely I mean this some of this doesn't I have to say some of this is difficult to take in

we're I guess we're missing an important what's the missing link which is that again because we're talking about programs that are using reversed and or handed down technology from extraterrestrials their ability to do things like hover over your house with a spaceship you know and pick you up and or project a wormhole into your bedroom and pick you up and or take you to a location for training and use time travel to take you back so that you're actually

stuff was happening that is really hard to read that's really hard to read that could be a guy going like oh no oh no or it could be a guy being like oh okay this is how this fits into the narrative maybe time travels real okay I guess it's hard to say because I don't know anything about this host I I might be approaching it more generously than he deserves I have no idea but it that is a really funny response

I'm falling I look I couldn't get over the the like I'm because some of this is really hard to swallow like that's the I'm finding some of this hard to take in dead pan nature of that I want to see his face while he's doing that if there isn't even like the hint of a smile he's a genius he's a comedic genius yeah so this next clip is where I kind of got a sense of like aha call me her cure Poirot because I've solved this mystery okay this is where it's like ah this is this is the

clue that unravels the I would say a more earth based solution and resolution to what was going on with his childhood sure sure I want to add one thing I think it's really important my mother is actually a very metaphysically sionically sensitive person what I will say that she is has always had insomnia and is one of those people that I think she was aware that something was going on and it was one of the reasons why she was always had horrible insomnia and was

always terrified that someone was coming to take her children away so on some level your mom knew about this on some level on an intuitive level I think she did and it created a lot of the panic and anxiety she had around sleep issues and around you know being the house being broken into at night and so forth which there was no evidence that that was happening but I think she was intuitively tuned into it and was very panicky so I would say that there are you know like there's

one explanation and that is that he was part he was a super soldier who was bred to fight wars against aliens on Mars for years or then became a young person again by way of being re injected into his clone five minutes after he left naturally when he was 17 yeah that's one explanation another explanation is that these paranoias and panicky fears about losing her children sure were sort of projected on to her child while as this preoccupation and the child wants to create a way to

explain away those fears and anxieties sure in a way that's helpful that's productive that's not like hey there is someone coming to take me know there are people taking me but they're taking me to be a hero yep like it kind of makes sense I'm not saying that that is the case I know psychiatrist or psychologist probably like hey if that's a possible explanation fucking think it's way more likely than he's a Mars soldier Dan any dream analyst would completely disagree with you. I feel like

I have all the information that I need to say I don't think you were on Mars man this I did he he was like does he do this with all of his guests as he kind of like no no like this is the only what you because currently I feel like he's lolling him into the sense of like accidentally he's revealing the the center of all the problems and Howard is just going to like allow that to exist in the space. I do everyone kind of gets it. I do think that Howard is making fun of him by the end of it okay

but I I think I mean that's fair well it's one of those things that like this is an interesting style of way to talk to people we're making extravagant claims which is to have some push back but not so much that you're being a dick to them because they are your guest yeah and it is you don't want to have a fight with somebody for no reason yeah what's the but if you ask good questions and follow-ups then your audience can make a responsible choice about what's being said indeed and they

could be like okay all right hold on yeah this doesn't make sense whereas the way that like project Camelot and a lot of these other places the way that they show these people is in such an unquestioning or if if there is questioning it's questioning in the wrong direction oh yeah yeah and and that is irresponsible because you just you give your audience a full sense of credibility about every single thing that every totally weirdo is saying oh yeah and I think that that is

the way that Howard appears to be approaching this yes and I say that very cautiously because like I said I haven't listened to any other episodes I've only listened to this one I you look I'm waiting to hear him say a hard J you know you know like that's where I always that coming on this episode that's great yeah that's great I don't I don't trust you yet fine I'm years of work so when I say that like he's approaching this in a way that allows the audience to make a decision about

what they're hearing I think that you can tell that some of them are not into it I have to tell you from your texts and tweets not all of you are buying into this necessarily Randy you must get a lot of opposition from people who simply don't believe it to be honest not nearly as much as you might think I mean there's certainly the I stay away from them you know number of unranked civilian they're mean people who want to have their opinion about it but when it comes to

my interactions with my local politicians elected representatives local law enforcement other professional persons agencies military personnel NASA engineers a whole list of very very professional credentialed people it's never even a question they don't bat an eyelash with me there they all talk to me very professionally and are very interested in what I've done and what I'm doing and okay I'll believe you whatever sometimes when you're lying your list is too long it's a pretty

big list kind of a tell yeah so but Howard makes a point of this like a lot of people don't believe in this no that's true we have a character on radio here called Captain Kremlin who was a bit of a wacky cartoon space explorer created by disc jockey on radio was a really creative guy called Kenny Everett Julie has tweeted just to say this is more Captain Kremlin than Captain Kramer but anyway looking up I love this guy that's actually funny I like that

it's a nice comment it's a nice comment he's a one he's a delightful character well because here's why that's not a nice comment Randy is not playing a character no he's not the other guy Captain Kremlin is a joke is a joke yes and you are more of a joke than the joke yeah you understand that so Howard is another interesting line of questioning that begins a basically if you're a kid and someone's trying to kidnap you you might fight them off or you might not want to go along with them

a question how was that experience for you when you were being taken for training the point is you were being taken away by various craft and various means now if I was being taken away especially when I was younger with my I would I'd kick against it you know if I if I didn't realize what why it was all being done entirely I would say please don't take me away sure what about you well in the very beginning as a kid you're certainly given childlike explanations for what

you're doing and where you're going with the trainings for and so basically you got you know an adult standing there you know you want to shoot ray guns and fight space monsters don't you and you're like yeah I want to shoot ray guns and fight space monsters and so it's an easy motivation that's fucked up it sounds fucked up sounds fucked up I was a guy with candy in a van but you get it I got he was like you got I've got candy for you let's take a step even beyond that

yeah he's saying that for a child it's an easy sell to be like you want to shoot ray guns and fight aliens I have candy in my van well no no no take take take that creepy part off of it okay that is what he's saying is what gets you hooked as a child yes but that is also literally what he says he did yes correct so it's not like they're misleading this child to lure them to the training that's actually if you don't actually have candy in the van that's a that should be a

separate crime oh the seat fraud fraud in kidnapping exactly yeah I find this very weird and I just can't for I I don't know and I can't imagine the government is has a giant secrets super soldier program that's predicated on successfully kidnapping children to train them it does seem extreme and at the very least slightly unethical oh quite quite unethical there might be some issues yeah but there were that means there are zero government watch dogs who are like hey guys at

just cut it off like maybe a moratorium and that means that there has to be like teams that are just for kidnapping children to train only this is a dark view of the bureaucracy yeah we got Leroy over here is the best child kidnapper we have in the United States Marine Corps so Randy is is being like hey you know like they come up and they say you want to shoot lasers and fight aliens but like you know doesn't matter I was genetically built to say yes to this kind now that's a good

argument so they drew you into this by saying hey little man do you want to play with a ray gun like you've seen in the movies on the TV yeah psychologically but but genetically keep in mind I was engineered and built for this I'm also engineered and built to think and want that this is a good idea so it wasn't something that I would have resisted anyway because I was genetically engineered to think it was a good idea. So do you know what I can't get out of my head?

What's that? He's saying all this stuff while at the same time saying that he's the government mandated PR person for this. This is not good PR. He's the head of PR talking about kidnapping children. It is. He's just really bad PR. That's a good point. Probably would have told you to keep that part lush. Hey, hey you remember how we told you ray guns and all that shit is cool people that you tell them ray guns and shit are cool. That's what we do here. Keep the kidnapping on the low kidnapping

down. Yeah, it's a great point but he's genetically engineered to say that is a great idea. Yes, please. Let's go shoot ray guns. Yeah, so if you're genetically you know engineered it kind of stands to reason that you'd have superpowers. Well yeah and so this super strength this topic comes up and I love the way that Randy describes his superpowers. Okay, they are. It's so perfect as to never be provable. Do you have capabilities that maybe I and my colleagues here tonight don't

have? I'm tend to be a little smarter, a little faster, a little stronger than everybody else. And when you say you're a little stronger, what can you do that we can't? It really comes down to what happens with my physical strength in a physical fight. And the best way to explain that is if I get jumped by three guys, my physical body will respond as if I'm getting jumped by three guys. If I get jumped by 20 guys, my body will respond as if I'm getting jumped by 20 guys. So

it escalates its output based on the input attack. So the more people who attack me the stronger and faster I will be. Let's send an army. That is clever. Yeah, that is a good one. That's somebody who's practiced that bullshit a lot. Yeah, it's it's great. It means nothing. Yeah, but earlier in his life, he wasn't really in control of these powers. But now he's fully actualized and okay, he's in complete control. All right. It's a skill that is completely under my control

and completely in my grasp and has its own safety protocols to you know, keep me from you know, killing innocent people and so forth. But ooh, that's a good out. We'll be sorry to be hurt very badly by me. I've never lost a fight. You are talk almost talked over his response. Yeah, glad to hear that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Let's get you in the UFC. All right. Let's not. No, I like that seems very easy to test.

That's a great, great little outright there. Did you not hear the little part? Hmm. All right. It keeps me from hurting anyone innocent. That's why if you were to suddenly show up and beat the shit out of him, yeah, that's why my super soldier keeps me from hurting you. Go against one of the most highly trained martial arts professionals in the world and don't kill them. But if you can beat them up, then I need government authorization fine as you bring in your general. He won't say yes. Oh, come

on. He won't let me play. Let me play. These things seem like pretty easy to test. Yeah, yeah, a little bit smarter, a little bit stronger, a little bit faster. No big deal. I mean the smarter part we could also. I mean, I don't really know a perfect way to quantify that bullshit fine. You win, but okay. If let's have you race against. Yeah, Michael Johnson. I don't know. Is he still super fast? All right. How about sweet? I don't have a good reference person anymore. Usain

Bolt versus Randy Kramer in a foot race. I think so, and then he's got a fight. It's gonna be a little bit faster than I bet any Bravo could kick at his. Easily, easily speaking of which Rogan is now on Spotify. Yes, I saw and just a little update. Alex still is not on Spotify. Alex was supposed to be his first guest supposed to be there was Duncan Trussell. Duncan Trussell was first guest and all of Alex's old episodes gone from Spotify not into a Rogan's thing. Ha ha. In a very literal sense. Alex

will never be on Spotify. I wanted to do I wanted to cover Alex's show because I'm sure he's gonna have a freak out about that. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Time. Yeah, so that'll probably be on Friday. All right. But back to the superpowers. Yes. It turns out you can also run and jump really fast. Okay, can't meet tall buildings in a single band, but can you sort of jump over high walls and stuff like that and run faster? Well, yeah, like I said, it's a situation responsive. So the

faster I need to run the faster I'll run the higher I need to jump the higher I will jump and and like the actual limitations of that as far as like inches and feet are classified. But again, it escalates based on the threat. So we're not really sure what the top of those scales are sometimes because we haven't necessarily seen top scale threat. I have a perfect way to test this. Okay, we have to create a scenario where there's a parkour contest sure against like I don't know Tony

jaw or like someone who's okay. All right really high level professional parkour person. Yeah, whoever loses will be executed. Now that because you have to make the government hit. It's against the law for the government to stop him. It's got the law for them to kidnap kids. Yeah, but this is an asset of theirs. They don't want to lose money on this. Let's just say I but how else would you do it?

How else would you create the required threat that you need to jump over that building? Sure. Now furthermore what this implies is that the government has done a lot of testing that involves regularly increasing threats like you're in it like they're in a box and they're like all right today you find a lion and then tomorrow they're like you fight two lions as though that's the way that they're going to figure out what your level is. Can I be clear with you to that? I think that

what this has to be regulated by is adrenaline right? I mean that's the only way where the threat is perceived by the body as an adrenaline response. Yeah, so you could artificially elevate your right adrenaline. No, you can't. You're a soldier you need. Whatever it is that's causing him in his body to respond to threats the way it could be artificially recreated and he could jump over a building not with our technology. Not with civilian technology. The aliens never figured that

out. Good. So we know from listening to Randy on Project Camelot that after his tour of service was done sure he was age regressed, which is to say that the government had an exact perfect clone of him at the age that he left right and then his consciousness was transferred into exactly yes now Mike down for this because we get a little more information than I remember. He's had years to work on this story. This is not good. Okay. So you spent all those long periods but because

they're able they've got back engineered technology presumably that allows them to compress time. You are not like 60 or 70 years of age now which you would have to be if you'd search all of those periods. See now here's the funny part right is because of their ability. Okay, so they call it age reversing but it's not really age reversing at the end of your 20 year tour. They take you back to LOC which is Luna Operations Command on the moon and they say okay, we're going to you know

wipe out your memory from all the traumatic secure things that you don't want to remember anyway and we're going to send you back in a young do basically hatch you out a new clone body that's the same age when they took you away and they and I know this is going to sound weird to some people again but high advanced alien technology as and science has gotten us to understand that the human soul is a quantum fluid and and put into another container and held and or put back into

another vessel or another body and so through a mechanism which I was not conscious for obviously and I do not recall or do you know how it works other than they're able to remove the soul from that body put it into this younger clone body that's the same age when you left repress all your memories and then put you back and you essentially wake up you know 15 minutes after you left from a 20 year tour a soul juice you got soul fluid I'm going to be honest with you if I were

if this was like in a theater and they the two of them were talking on stage and he had just said that and then just the pause I would have stood up and slow clap to my balls off that would have been me just like standing up and be like see if I were the interviewer in that exact same situation I would stand up and walk away so juice come on the fuck out of here soul juice deserves a standing ovation dad there's two reasons why this is bullshit

one what happens in the casket like is your soul juice just trapped it no no it's a quantum fluid it just kind of sinks down into the ground yeah that doesn't seem like it makes sense doesn't really oh or maybe all the coroners know this and they take your soul juice out and they use it to power spacecraft we're doing so that's confusing and second the other problem that I have there's a very serious problem is you had this done yeah are you not curious you can't tell me anything about the

process classified he didn't say that he doesn't know anything about it and even know yeah he never asked you add your soul juice put another body some things you don't ask about dad you don't ask about soul juice yeah it's rude and tell me tell me tell me tell me do the words quantum and fluid mean anything when they are put next to each other maybe I don't know I don't think they do okay I'm going to call it the fluid it's a quantum fluid but that's not it well you might be on the half of the

audience here that thinks this is bullshit okay I could be a Randy Kramer you are divided my audience here some of them love it and some of them say she was not sure about this but amazing stuff that was polite if you just joined us now into this hour and you missed the first half hour if you see what I'm saying Captain Randy Kramer is a man who was bred for missions to Mars yep so amazing yeah I mean there's the constant reminder that there's a bunch of people listening who

think this is trash yeah this is garbage and that's I think that's important I think that's responsible so he's very polite about yeah he's expressing what is clearly a bunch of people saying he's full of shit yeah so there's a question that is also that is important why aren't there a ton of people who have the exact same story is a good question very important point and people would get on my back if I didn't put this point to you some of this craft have you said a few thousand

people on board them which you know they might well have where are all of those people and why aren't they speaking to well some of them do but do that yeah sure some of them do there aren't a lot who they as most of them their memories have been badly have been repressed very very well either badly or well and so sometimes their brains end up being more Swiss cheese and oatmeal and it's hard for them to bring memories to a cohesive state I talk to people all the time

who are in the process of unfolding their traumatic memory experiences and are constantly asking me for advice on how to remember things more clearly and how to get their memories back and how to you know deal with the trauma and so forth and so there's a lot of people are I will just be honest and tell you that most of them quite simply have no desire to be an out in front public person they don't want to be targeted they do not want to be you know get any hassle

from anybody because most of them have not been given permission by command officers you must admit that a lot of people would find it strange that you are the main person authorized you say to be doing the speaking about this if there are so many people who go through that experience and if you're in contact with them here on earth well I'm one I'm one of two oh there's two now I would suggest that if we take Randy at face value yes what he's describing is there's a government

program that makes super soldiers kidnaps them from their parents without anyone's consent in order to train them up through their dreams and other things indeed then has them fight battles against aliens for 20 years or whatever yeah and then takes the soul juice correct it puts it back in a younger clone body and wipes all their memories which leaves many of them with brains like Swiss cheese or oatmeal yeah in terrible pain not remembering any of this feeling crazy for the rest of

their lives yeah and Randy is doing PR for them. It's just sitting there like it's like you're still grand Randy I'm sorry but your previous Brigadier General was was fired because he hired you as our PR guy and you just gave us PR as scrambling people's brains yeah maybe on purpose yeah do you when you're describing a night badly or well are you implying that we want to scramble brains I think that's what I heard I think that's what I'm hearing yeah your

Brigadier General is fired and also you are he's describing something really really horrifying yeah and just being like yeah I work for them what why there will be be a whistleblower trying to stop this no I work there they're great guys weird so anyway there's two there's two yeah of them and here's here's Randy's explanation for that yeah there are two people actually well let me let me put it in a try and answer that in a more broad way to be more

specific to get where you're going out with that you ever see me with a mustache that Naval Space Command sort of runs for the planet is divided into two fleets in the same way that here in America we have a Pacific Fleet and Atlantic Fleet to separate you know ships and guards sort of two different coastal ports and so we got up space and down space up policing of the solar system it's easier to sort of divided an imaginary line down the middle of it and have of course

it is on the one side and another fleet on the other side so you have the of what called Solar Warden and Radiant Guardian now each fleet decided that they needed to have a spokesperson and that they would pick up which one of you the spokesperson spokesperson for Radiant Guardian the other spokesperson for Solar Warden is the gentleman by the name of Corey

Good you may or may not have heard of him in America. He is absolutely if you don't know about him looking up. That's convenient. They're both American guys. Yeah, it's laughable that these space programs decide hey we need. We both need spokesman and they started out with one spokesman and one guy was like I can't be handling with this spokesman. We're going to need our own. What spokes job is being achieved here. I don't see what good is coming of this

is good a better spokesman than you know he's beginning to do a good denialism lately. There we go. You guys are bad choices. Yeah, spokesman so like what's interesting to me is that like just look at this from an institutional perspective like you are the Navy you're running the Solar Warden or whatever right. Okay, what good does this guy do you? What good is he doing? Hold on. Let me ask you a better question. Are you running East or West Solar

Warden? Oh no because one's Radiant Guardian. Okay, so you're well. I mean I assume Radiant Guardian does things differently from Solar Warden. Wow. I don't know what Solar Warden standards are. I don't know but like what is achieved by this like obviously if you have a spokesperson they would be there to answer questions about things. Sure. There is nothing to answer questions about. There's not seem like there's not like oh hey there's a reported

story in the AP about Solar Warden's behavior. Sure. We're gonna reach out to the spokesman for comment. Right. That's not happening. So this is this is furthermore not just PR in the sense that it was like if people are I'm fielding questions in order to make the company. Well that's what often a spokesperson would do. It's active outreach. Right. I'm being directed to tell you. The problem with that is if he's a spokesman in that sense, he's doing a terrible job. We kidnap kids and then

bring them back with their brains fried. What? No, we don't support. That's not in our name. No doing more damage than good. If this is some like crazy elaborate secret program, sure then it's better for them to not have someone like Randy. It does them no good. Agreed. It doesn't know good. Agreed. Anyway, there's a there's these two branches. No, here's what they're doing. They want you to underestimate them. Dad. They want you to think they're so stupid. They would hire this guy

to do it. And then whenever you finally come at them, oh, they're brilliant. It's all part of the long game. Victory. So, you know, you got these two guys. You got Randy Kramer and you got Corey Good and they're both weirdly from the United States, but they're supposed to be releasing the space. How does this work? You said policing the solar system. Who is policing the solar system? Well, Earth Defense Force Naval Space Command and this other sort of

loose international group of military persons who sort of conglomerate together to make up the fleet. So participating countries have officers and pilots and so forth that they contribute to the larger program. And then those people are distributed throughout the fleet in various missions and person. So this is real life Star Trek. Then it's the federation. Pretty much. If you want to get real money, get all nerdy about it. Start the federation's mission was was very diplomatic

and peaceful and was non military. And we definitely have a military mission because we consider the military protection of the solar system to be absolutely necessary given the tangible threats that we have to deal with, which again, aren't so horrible that we can't deal with them. But there is a list of tangible threats that we have to deal with. So the tangible threats aren't really that bad and yet we use it as a justification to kidnap children and then leave them

with their brains fried afterwards. Well, I don't support this. No, there's no other way. The tangible that bad turns out listen as your PR guy. I want to just let everybody know this would be way better if it was Star Trek. I know everything about Star Trek. I'm a bit of a nerd in actuality. This is the worst. Yeah, it's really big. There's no problem in space stores people's lives. Yeah, Star Trek. So he goes to Howard

goes to some listeners who have brought up some interesting points and one of them has to do with the fact that if you're in space for like 10 fucking years, your body will deteriorate you go a Randy has his go to a soldier. Now one of our listeners Heady, who is a scientist and is a regular contributor to this says prolonged exposure to 17 years or whatever of Martian gravity would cause massive bone deterioration. How did you avoid that?

Well, I hate bones in medical technology that was used on us all the time because we were in the field engaging in regular combat and I've had my arms and my legs blown off so many times I can't even count and we call a holographic regenerating medical bed technology which uses a projected hologram at a cellular level to convince your body to regrow and damaged and ripped off limbs. So you can take me called again. I love the name of that. What's that called?

It doesn't sound like he believes it really doesn't say it sounds incredibly polite. He does not seem like he believes him. That's that's good. I love the name of that. Tell me the name of your tell me the name of your magical made up world. Hey Rowling. So here we get a little bit more information about these med beds because you know they've been brought up a bit but the actual mechanics of it. If I have one question that I hope this clip answers maybe if he's had his arms and legs

off legs blown on so many times so many times. Does he lose any soul juice soul juice isn't in the arms. It's a quantum like there isn't even a little bit of soul juice in the arms. What does that even mean if you're are you your arm. This is a philosophical question now. If you replace every part of your body if you go into your own with your soul juice. Are you still you. I don't know. This is a good question. Do not come up and I'm sorry that your question is

not okay. A hologram that has a resolution at the cellular level that projects of a perfect image of your body that restores damaged tissue and or at the end of a of a severed limb will fool that cellular tissue to keep going because the only thing that stops your tissue from growing when you blown off a limb is it reaches out. There's nothing here to keep going to but if you convince it by having a hologram at a cellular level that it goes oh I can just keep

growing. You essentially fool your body that it can just keep growing and you can regrow an entire limb. Right. So there's a master template of you somewhere. Sure. Right. They use it. Your perfect genetics. Basically it's just a DNA map that they can project holographically. One of those. All right. You he wins. I have nothing funnier to say than that seems like he's being a dick to him really politely really polite. Yeah. Oh I could use one of those. Yeah. So apparently

I don't know. I'm not a doctor and I didn't pay much attention in like biology classes in college. Sure. And so I'm just going to have to leave this to the audience. Reach out and tell us if the only reason your arm doesn't grow out is grow back is because it gets there and is like nothing here. It sounds right. So holograms apparently the solution to that. It turns out that's a great idea because I'm not a doctor. I can't speak on this or tell you that it sounds very

dumb. But hey maybe maybe it works. Anyway there's a really good lingering question that I think is very important. And Kerry. Okay. If you can if soul juice exists at the quantum it's quantum fluid soul juice. Can you artificially create it and in like a in like a collider. Can you create soul juice if you are telling me that the soul is a physical either be created or destroyed only change. All right. Fair enough. I retract my question. So this lingering question that I think

is really important and didn't really get a real sense of in the other interview I heard of his is like it's your job. What is your job? Well, what you do you have a regular job in the States. My regular job is as an independent field commander of United States Marine Corps special section. So under that duty series of duties is three main things right now that I have to deal with which is criminal investigation research and development and public relations. So the research

and investigation. Yes. I have a couple of very I'm just going to call them strange X file type cases that have been given for me to deal with that involves sure criminal activity of a very unusual nature which I'm really because it's an open criminal case I can't really say anything more about it but yeah those are probably that's my top priority to be honest with you right now. You're the PR guy. Why would they have the same person be Fox Mulder and the guy who answers the phone at the

FBI or whatever. That doesn't make sense. Oh, come on. That's look. That's a fantasy. If you've got time to lean. You've got time to investigate. You are not always giving interviews. Jordan. I will grant that his PR work is probably pretty limited. It's probably have time. I wouldn't give him that 30 hours in the PR field. I would say that he does have bandwidth to do some criminal investigations. Sure. Although I really really really don't think that any competent

organization would have all of those hats being worn by the same person seems dumb. Right. Can I do PR today? Oh, you could do PR but just for today. So now here's where it gets weird about this job situation. Okay. Well, but the job situation, right? I mean, it's already weird that he's so rangey. But it gets even worse. Randy, what does it say on your paycheck? I don't get one. That's why I'm an independent field commander. I'm responsible for dealing with all of my

own resources and so forth. How do you live? Which is like, how do you how do you how do you make ends meet as we say here? How do you, you know, pay for your food, your accommodation on the rest of it? There's some wonderful people who have been wonderful and helped me out when I've needed it. I do teach a psionics class and every once in a while when I do one of those, you know, I get a marginal fee for teaching a class. I get teeny keys for public speaking, which doesn't amount to

anything. But to be honest, it's some really wonderful people who have picked up the the slack and said, you know, we want to help you and have, you know, taken care of that for me. So really some wonderful folks. So it's just people who maybe believe that he's a super soldier have given him a bunch of money. So I'm the PR person. I do criminal investigations in space. I have a patreon. Yeah. That's strange. You should maybe quit as the PR person. You are

a bad PR person. Not only do they steal children, but they don't even pay you. Yeah. I mean this is going to be a serious labor issue. I think he's a slave investigator. That's what he's saying. Yeah. That's what he's saying. Well, I mean, he doesn't say that he can't quit. He doesn't say that. So we don't know that for sure. I feel like the it's an implied you'll be killed situation or your soul juice won't be put into another body. Your soul juice will be stolen. He has to be expecting

that like once he gets to a certain age or like his body wears down. The government's gonna put in his new soul juice. Yeah, you'd think maybe that's the payment. What if they put you in kind of paying him with immortality? Oh, that's it. That's a bad payment for shitty life. Well, I don't know if his life's that shitty. That's fair. I bet he has a job at an office. Yeah, I was gonna say he's probably a really great fucking groundskeeper. Like I bet he's I bet he could fucking

kill a baseball diamond. You know, like really make it look beautiful. Sure. So it's a problem that he's not getting paid or at least it's very confusing. Could be Howard pushes back on this a little but I know it's not called this but why aren't the star core paying you? Oh, that is actually a more complicated legal reason. Being activated under the independent field commander clauses. I actually have a greater legal authority to do the things that I need to do

as an independent field commander not getting a paycheck than I would getting a paycheck which would actually limit what I can do that and that's without a much more complicated legal discussion of that. It's a it's a very specific legal parameter on being independent versus being completely dependent on them. Do you often get asked the question I've just asked you about how do you pay for all this? Not a ton. I mean, every once in a while, he doesn't seem to be getting

asked the regular questions very often you would think. So yeah, I guess what he's trying to harken to is like the idea that if you're a contractor, sure, they like farm out like you know, you're black water mercenaries. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can do more outside the law than with sure, sure, whatever. Now, I mercenaries also get paid. I'm gonna ask you like really quick and organization that has no problem genetically creating children secretly implanting them into host

bodies, then stealing them when they are four. I don't understand why they're a real hung up on the payment part. Yeah, or pay you pay you in gold or something. Yeah, Bitcoin. Yeah, you can get paid. Yeah, you can leave this into the narrative. Untraceable money. Yeah. So this leads to Howard making a joke. Do me a favor, Randy. Don't tell any radio station that explanation for why you shouldn't be paid because they're all gonna be using it. You know, I've got bills to

pay. Damn charming guy. He's great. So that's great. So he asks Randy because this is really hard to as a pill to swallow. Capitalist overlords would love to treat me like that. You, Randy, are working for Space Army. Yeah, you're doing PR work. You're a detective for paranormal shit. I'm a good one. You're not getting paid. Why would I? Do you have a contract? It's good question. Have you got a contract that you can read like a piece of paper with these

people? Not in front of me that I could show you. I mean, some let me put it this way in a box somewhere in a vault that my records exist and then there is a contract. I'm going through a process to try and get them but I don't expect it to happen. Yeah, me neither. I'm trying to I'm trying to get my legal documents. Of course. Yeah. But every time I ask my Brigadier General, he's like, go back to PR work. Yeah. It's in a box somewhere. Great. Whatever. It's into the Ark of

the Covenant. Yeah, I was gonna say it's big, big warehouse. So we've, you know, basically gotten where we're gonna get on this line of question. Pretty much. And so Howard moves it over to talking about what's it like on Mars? What's it like to be on the surface of Mars? Well, the gravity is less than half. It's about point four. So, you know, it's it's much lighter. That's for sure. And that's why you have the extra strength then presumably. Well, I mean, first of all,

we're there in a an augmented powered body armor environment suit. So not only do you have the ability to sort of jump higher and throw things farther, you're in a powered body armor. So you can even jump higher and farther and throw things farther. So it's it's a little it's a little crazy, but you're not allowed to bring that back with you. Nope. Also, why are you so focused on throwing things? How much throwing are you doing? Well, because he works on a baseball diamond most of the

time. I could be. I think I think this is indicative of one thing. Everyone who's in the space weirdo like interviewing community, whether consciously or instinctively knows what questions not to ask because he's really thrown off by a lot of these very, very simple basic questions. Yeah, yeah, just like you can hear him when he's like, well, like he's when let me let me element is snap. I got my prepared response. Let me offer Randy a little bit of an out on that. Okay, if I had

been on Mars and you asked me what's it like on Mars or that's such an open question that it might take a second to be like well, the gravity is different fair, you know, like it's like what's it like in Chicago? I see you paused. It's nice. Yeah, you didn't have a quick answer. That's fair. That's fair. It's a broad topic that you don't have like an easy like immediate satisfying answer. Yeah, I wouldn't say the gravity is normal there. Sure is though. So also another thing that Randy got

to do while he was in space was he got to go to some intergalactic negotiations. Steve Pochettik was there. Yep, he was there. He was there. Mike down for this because it ends with my favorite question that Howard asks while I was on the Nautilus I was very, very, very, very fortunate on a number of missions to the intergalactic space station, not the international space station, the intergalactic space station that rotates around Jupiter, which is a meeting place for a number of

species from all over the place. We meet there, other people meet there to have some really fascinating discussions, mostly diplomatic arrangements, contract negotiations, etc. Treaty negotiations. And on a number of occasions, I was tag along basically as one of the only officers flight officers with hand to hand combat experience. I was a just in case even though there was never a just in case was always very peaceful arrangements, but they wanted one guy who could stab

somebody in the eye with their thumb if they needed to and that was me. So I got to go along. Many different tables across from many different species while senior officers were having many different discussions, initial negotiations contract negotiations, treaty negotiations, first contact meetings. It was one of the most amazing things ever. And in that who your favorites? Yeah, that's a great question. Here's again. I haven't listened to enough episodes to have a good

sense of who this interviewer is. Yeah, but my sense of that is if that's your question, you're not taking this very seriously anymore. You are not like your question. Who's your favorite alien? Yeah, I went to enter. I went to this intergalactic space station where they negotiated treaties. Who you like best? Yeah, a different another question. If you're taking this seriously is like oh on what authority are those treaties held totally who enforces contract law in space

contract law contract law. Yeah, we're really worried about contract law here. Is there that must mean that who's the JAG officer for space? Well that must mean if there's other alien races coming to this space station for a negotiation that must mean that we are already in a universal government correct like there must already be yeah a one not one world united galactic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because otherwise and none of this could be enforceable in any way. Of course not. Okay,

so we break a contract. Do we get blown up? I mean maybe not blown up, but there would have to be some sort of there would have to be some sort of consequence from whoever can enforce these contracts. Exactly. That would be something I'd like to hear, but something else I like to hear is which favorite alien your favorite. Yeah, that I do that. That's Dan. We have a ready made answer for the question. If anybody's yes, you like you like the feline. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course.

And I'm a I'm a dog merchant. You're a mercantile dog. Of course. Well, Randy, he doesn't realize that that's an actual question that's being asked to him. But it is who are your favorites? Oh, gosh. I mean, on Star Trek, I used to like on the old series, the little tribals. They were good. You know, who are the most interesting and the ones that you like? Or do you like them all? You know, as a person who has always been very sort of like

science motivated, I mean, I was a nerdy science kid, you know, from the get go. And so I was always fascinated and interested no matter what, no matter what they looked like, no matter where they were from, no matter what their behavior was, I was always fascinated and interested to understand what in the world it was like or somewhere else. You're a diplomat. You're a diplomat and you you like them all. Yeah, that's I got. All right. All right, man. Whatever. We I just look for a fucking

answer. We were we were going to have fun. Yeah, you're being a dick right now. So then there's another issue that comes up here and I think this is another really important point that good at least a decent interviewer would ask that never comes up in other places like Project Camelot and that is like okay you were on Mars. You're doing all this shit on Mars. We just had a rover go there and we saw pictures of Mars, right? It doesn't look like anything like what you're talking about.

That's a problem. That's when we get these orange pictures back from Mars from NASA. They're all orange tinted and it looks like rubble up there. I mean, there are some people who say that they can see figures and various other things, but you know, it looks like rubble. Mostly just nothing in particular. You're saying I thought it was a really great picture that came off the JPL that had a rodent stuck between two rocks. People did about what it was. There have been lots of photographs

like that. I thought that was a woman in an evening gown supposedly. Yeah, that was more fuzz. But the rodent on the ground, I mean, it looked like a giant rat squirrel there next to a rock. I mean, I thought that was way less fuzzy and way less questionable. All right. Yeah. All right. There was okay. So how about you don't then? Why don't you ever talk about how big the rodents on Mars are?

That doesn't seem to be central in the narratives, but maybe you will be eventually god damn rodents on Mars. And finally the the lunar rover picked one up. Don't worry about all the technology that I said was there. You see there was a rodent in between two rocks. Yeah, that's true. Very excited proved it. So this is how things end. Listen, we gotta go. But Captain Randy Kramer, I have a million more questions. I've no time to ask you. Thank you very much. And please.

That's the end. No. You can go back in time. I will go by. So I think this is really interesting and I really do appreciate Robert sending this suggestion over. But as we come to the end, I don't think that this is a good option for a wacky Wednesday in the future. We can't also make fun of somebody with somebody else. Well, but it's also back from the one glimpse of this. It's unclear if he's making fun of Randy, sure, because he does like talk

to fucking John Rappaport and David Ike. Right. So like who knows like what kind of actual standards he has. That's fair. It sounds like he's making fun of Randy. It would be so hard for me to believe that he wasn't. Yeah, me too. It'd be really tough. Me too. But I don't think that this is necessarily a good option for us to cover for the reason that I kind of laid out earlier, which is he asks follow up questions and presents this guy who we've seen on Project Camelot in a light that

the audience can then make up their mind. Sure. That is all I ask of people who are doing Space Weirdo or this kind of interview, right? That's how you do an interview like this responsible. You push back on ideas that are outlandish. If someone's being too offensive, you probably end the interview. Yeah, those are just like you can talk to people like you could even interview a horrible people like Gavin McGuinness or you can do it if you do it in a responsible way and from

this one lightly leave them out to dry for for this one glimpse that I have of Howard Hughes. It appears that like did a good job. That seemed to be what he was doing. Yeah, he pushed back on these completely absurd points. He tried to get some details. The details probably weren't coming. It was polite. He said you're kidding and at the end it does seem like his questions become less serious because I think he's like oh okay, I get what's going on. Yeah, I don't want to be a total

asshole to this guy. Be like you're full of shit because that's not the brand. That's not the program right he's running but who's your favorites? That's a great question. Yeah, it's it. No, no, if you're trying to be a dick. It's an even greater question just because if you're taking that into like just terrestrial life. Can you imagine a journalist talking to somebody at a diplomat at the fucking UN being like hey, who's your favorites? You like you like Germany when who's your

favorites? Just give me just give me some of your faves. Well yeah, that's a dick question and you know it. I guess so. Yeah, come on, but Randy didn't experience it that way. Of course not. No, because he doesn't get that. No, so anyway, I appreciate it, but I yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's a great episode. I think I think it's fun to to listen to and to get some more information about soul juice and med beds soul juice, but we will have to probably keep looking for up for a new just

little soul juice and see what comes up. But before we get out of here, Jordan, let's take a little time to listen to voice my own. That'd be great. Hi, chat guys. I'm a letter carrier in a small town currently sitting in a park on my lunch break. I just wanted to thank you for keeping me saying dirt while I deliver the mail, but also in more to the point asked should I get a tattoo of a portrait of my D&D character or just one symbolizing and you know, I

didn't know an actual portrait of them would be a little bit too much. Anyway, thanks again. Have a good day. I feel like that's a question for you. That's more in your vein personally. I am against portrait tattoos. I'm all about symbols. I'm against portrait tattoos. I don't know what it is. I just think the representation of a face is so iffy unless the face itself is a symbol could be but I mean even then when you're when you're going to an artist, faces are tough to tattoo.

You're just thinking of Roger Stone. Well, I don't want to I don't want to Nixon on you. If your D&D character is Nixon, you know where to put it on your back. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I kind of agree with you. I think also shout out to our mail carriers out there. Yes, 100% right. Please survive. Hi guys. My name is Rashaan. I am a long time listener, second time caller because I freaked out and hung up a second ago. So I'm sorry about that. But I just wanted to call and first

I'll say that I really enjoy the podcast. I think that what y'all do is very important as far as shining a light onto the way that conspiracy culture kind of exists and how it propagates in America. And I think that what y'all be really is important as far as showing people how these how like extreme views and conspiracy views how they can be birthed, how they how they can continue how they, you know, propagate and perpetuate from one person to the next. I think that's

marvelous. Alex used to be a very different person back when I first encountered him. I remember watching that documentary Secret Rules of the World, the Bohemian Grove episode where Alex goes to Bohemian Grove with BBC reporter or he's an English journalist, John Ronson. So you have Alex's documentary Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove, which is still on YouTube. That was actually filmed at the exact same time as John Ronson's Secret Rules of the World episode, which is also on

YouTube. And it's just remarkable to look at the difference between how Ronson reports Alex's daring raid, so to speak, and how Alex reports it. That could be a fun wacky Wednesday thing for y'all to do when you watch both and just compare them. I don't know. Whatever you do, I'm going to be listening. I'm going to be supporting y'all have a good one and stay safe up there. Bye bye. Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. As to that, we've talked a bit about Alex and John Ronson's

different takes on on Bohemian Grove. But so unfortunately, that would be redundant as a wacky Wednesday. But do like the suggestion on the lesson. Thank you for yes. Thank you very kindly. And Jordan Griffin calling it a California. Um, it's been referenced a few times, but Jordan keeps saying he has an Andrew Jackson joke. I was just wondering, could he sit on the podcast? I'm super curious now to know what it is. And I'm sure there's a few other people who are equally curious. I don't

think I'll be getting out of Chicago anytime soon. And even though I was, I'm not sure if Jordan will be performing that night. So if the bit isn't too long or if Jordan is not opposed to it, could we hear that bit? Thank you. Do the bit. No, do the is one. It's one way too long and to stand up is not done on a podcast. But if you want to hear that bit, I'm pretty sure I have a I have a clip of me doing stand up and I'm pretty sure it's on one of them. Okay. Yeah. No, I won't do it. I'm not

gonna do the bit. All right. Okay. Hey, Dan and Jordan. This is Katie from Oklahoma City. I'm really glad that y'all created this phone line because I didn't know. I never wanted to tweet this out. But I've had this burning question forever about Alex. He's gonna have like a water sports or like urine fetish, right? Because he talks about it all the time. He it seems he's what it just seems like he's way too fixated on it for it not to be a huge hang up for him in some way.

He like it didn't know in like the technocrat drop. It's like he talks about globalist pissing on people all the time. It is I find it really gross. But it's just it comes up so frequently as I'm convinced there's something there. I wonder if y'all ever talked about it. I know it's kind of weird and gross, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Love the show. Bye first of all. Yes. No kink shaming exactly second. Yeah. I mean he he talks about the globalist pissing on us all

the time. He's got a scatological thing that he returns to repeatedly. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to say if it's a preoccupation or if it's just like this is my way of saying disrespect. Yeah. He often talks about it in the form of like female politicians correct on him. Correct. Like AOC or Hillary. Yeah. He talks about that a lot, which I don't know. I'm not ready to ascribe that to be some kind of a sexual thing for him. But it is it's of shows that I've ever

listened to. He is the most frequent person who brings up people 100 percent. But it is a family show. I would say that I see some some sort of dominance thing there. So I don't know if it's escalated to actual water sports, but there's definitely dumb situation circumstances going on there. I can only imagine. I don't know. I don't know anyway. Long time with your first on caller. I wanted one to say that. I'll be honest. I'm really only doing this to generalize one of my

friends and I felt like you guys appreciate that. So you're magic. I'm in your podcast now. Thanks and keep up the great work. I don't know if I should encourage that kind of behavior but I decided what the hell I mean. We don't negotiate with terrorists, but I don't know if we flatly deny them making making your friend frustrated by leaving the message. I guess I think that's kind of fun. It's fair. Yeah. I'll allow it. There are worse things. Hey, Dan and Jordan. I was wondering

hearing about all the news about the plants. If Dan or Jordan have ever heard of the game, Stardew Valley, if not, it is on the switch and I highly recommend you guys look into it. It's comfy as fuck. Have a great day guys. Yes, I have played Stardew Valley. Oh, have you? Yeah. Oh, I was one of the first games. Oh, no, that's right. Now I remember. I was thinking of the one with animals. That's got animals. It's like a farming game. Okay. I played it. It was fun. I don't know if

it has a lot of replay value for me, but when I got it, I actually deep in our Twitter feed. You can find I was posting screenshots of the game because I named all my animals after info was true. You did. So like there's a screenshot that's like David Knight is not old enough to milk or something. So yeah. No, I played the play. Stardew Valley was a lot of fun. There's a lot of I like. I like that kind of thing. It's very it is very mellow. Yeah. The music is very it's relaxing. It's

just interesting enough because there is like a story to it. Sure. Sure. Sure. So yeah, I've never I've never played it. You should give it a shot. I might I don't have a switch, but yeah. No, consider consider porting it. Right code. All right. Okay, you're I apologize for not solving my own problem. Yeah, one last call here. Okay, Dan. Hey Jordan. This is Brandon. I'm from Chicago, but I'm living in Pittsburgh right now. Lee confirmed. Sure. I just wanted to say that a couple of months

ago, maybe maybe sooner than that, you had been developing a narrative that Alex would have run out of money by now. And that didn't happen. And I'm mad at you and I'm disappointed. I deserve an apology. Love the show. Thanks. I am going to honor your request for an apology. I'm sorry about that. You know, there was a situation where Alex was behaving in ways that were very consistent and very repetitively talking about how they were going out of business. He was being very

blunt and direct and like, I can only express this as the person listening to it. It's very difficult for me to recreate that on the show, but the way that I was bringing it up repeatedly was reflecting how repeatedly he was bringing. Yeah, yeah, and you know what? I was very fatalistic about it for sure. Yeah, and I appreciate the call out on this and I accept that criticism that maybe we allowed ourselves to buy into that a little more than we should have, but there is also a

decent chance that he was in terrible financial straits and some things were able to to fix that. I don't know if it's hard. There's anything I'm pretty sure we've been consistent about is one, our predictions are almost always wrong. I say that a lot and two, if we predict something, it will almost always go wrong. Well, and in our faces, I don't know how much, you know, I certainly wasn't guaranteeing all of this, but there were things that were happening also that were sort

of heightening that possibility. Totally like there was the fact that he got a DUI and that like he was like it looked like things were really falling apart for him behind the scenes. If there was a Justin loving God, our prediction would have come true. Yeah, and then there was the situation with his bankruptcy hearing, which granted did not end up bankrupting him, but his wife was suing him for involuntary bankruptcy that could have ended up costing him with like three quarters

of a million dollars. There were these things that were real that were happening kind of around the same time and you know, I think that I've learned a little bit of a lesson and that is that even when things look really bad, I'm not going to buy into it. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to try and do a better job of like not letting myself get caught up in the oh what if sure what if this sure sure sure and I think that it's fair criticism to say that like I probably did get a little

bit more into like he's going to fucking eat now. He could be out of business. We're allowed to be excitedly wrong. Yeah, but at the same time I have no problem with recognizing that in that excitement we can look back on it and be like we got we got carried away a little bit with true what could be fantasy booking Alex's bank or I'm not going to defend my my predictions or I appreciate that. We are called out. So we'll be back Jordan, but tell them we have a website. We do have a website

it's knowledge fight dot com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter is that knowledge is provided and I go to bed Jordan. We're on Facebook. We are on Facebook. I was showing the right and then if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area and help out people doing the best they can. Yep. We'll be back. But until then I'm Neo and Leo. I'm DZX clerk on Darryl Rundus. I am soul juice Andy and Kansas on the earth. Thanks for holding.

Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.