Knowledge Fight - #488: The First Debate Spectacular

Episode Date: October 2, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at Alex Jones' coverage of the first presidential debate of the 2020 election. The debate itself was a mess, and Alex's show was basically the same thing, but with a few extra childish sound effects and blood-based accusations.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan.

I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today is that we are recording with a new setup. Yes. And this is a complicated bright spot for me because it involves sort of a secondary bright spot that is a little bit of letting go on my part. Uh-huh.

And an apology a little bit. The last couple episodes, we've had some janky sound going on. And part of the reason for that is that I think our equipment sucked. Wow. I've been very defensive about it. No, no, no. That dust covered soundboard on the floor right now. That's the picture of-

But that's the letting go. Perfect sound. That's the letting go part of it. I know. That's what I'm enjoying about it. For me, you know, I think there's something a little bit unexamined about my attachment to it, the soundboard. Sure, sure.

I've had it for eight years or something. You know, it's- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's fine. I'll make it work. Totally, totally. And I think that we just got to a point in the last week or so that was just like, well, we have ideas about things we want to do in terms of like being able to record some

video and bring back some streaming episodes and stuff. We'd love to. And with the technical difficulties and stuff we were experiencing and the fact that it encroached into the actual sound of the episodes, it was just a thing where I kind of had to like finally reach the moment of surrender and just be like, now I got to let go. Yeah, it's hard to be like, let's add more stuff whenever we're still like, there's something wrong with the regular stuff. I have to get my finger in this hole in the wall or else there'll be a flood.

Yeah, exactly. I can't add anything. Yeah, exactly. I appreciate you sort of gently pushing me towards that. Yes, it was very gentle. I'm known for my gentle approach. Well, I mean, if you weren't bullying about like the fact that Dan, you just have a sentimental attachment to that old set of equipment and you need to let it go, I'm far more manipulative

than that. Yeah, that might have been what, wait a second, you fool. So I hope that the sound is better on this episode and we won't really fully know until after we're done recording. So it's kind of a double-edged sword, right? But hopefully that is the case and I'm excited about the prospects of like what this pretends for the future and like what we'll be able to do. Yeah, what's fun is if you were hearing this, that means it has worked better.

Wow. If you're not hearing this. If you're hearing this and it sounds good, that means it worked. If you're hearing this and it's like, then maybe it didn't work. Our bad. Our bad. Yeah, I know a lot of people have been clamoring for things like bringing back some live streams. For sure.

I know that you and I have both talked a ton about various ways we could incorporate video and I'm excited about the possibilities of like figuring out what ways we can take those things and expand the product of what we do. I am as well. It's going to be very exciting. So that's my bright spot. And it might just be because I'm running on like no sleep. Yeah, well.

I'm pumped. It took a lot to make this bright spot happen. I would assume that your bright spot would more be the sense of achievement that you had from putting together this. Same, man. I didn't want to brag. I wouldn't. Mostly because it might not work.

I wouldn't non-stop brag. Can I suggest a bright spot for you? What's that? I didn't text you through the process of setting up this new sound system. I received a few texts hours apart, which means that I missed out on minute by minute updates of frustration and fury. Well, late in the evening last night, I texted you something along the lines of like this shit isn't working out.

Yes. And that was to emotionally prepare you for the possibility that it wasn't going to work out. You did not really respond to that message for a while and I got the message loud and clear. That was not the message. I was busy. I was cooking dinner and I was very, it's an important ritual that we have if we are

cooking, try not to do outside stuff. Well, that came across as go fuck yourself, Dan, don't complain to me asshole. You made your bed now lie in it. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to tell you what your bright spot was. It's okay. My bright spot is a commanding no.

My bright spot, Dan, is I finally on your, your recommendation, I finally got to playing the last of us. Oh, sure. And it is fantastic. It's really good. It's great to watch. It's got a very cinematic feel. Yeah.

I enjoy it immensely. I have that recommendation is really immediate. I told you maybe a couple of days ago because I just started playing it as well. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm a very finished it. I am very susceptible, especially when it comes to video games. You're in the middle. I've gotten a few hours through it like the opening movie thing was great.

I enjoyed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The story, it grabs you even as like just a, you know, kind of like, yeah, it's very similar to a lot of other zombie stories. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But still well done. It's a good zombie care about the characters. Totally. You're interested in it. Yeah. I'm known on the streets as not a zombie guy. True.

I have a lot of people who I've known friends who've been deep into zombie stuff and it's never really intrigued me much. Like I get it. It's metaphor. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

And it's nice to try to try out a survival horror game and it'd be like, ah, this is kind of fun. I enjoy it. It was interesting. Absolutely. I might fuck around and play a Resident Evil. I'm always a little bit bored whenever something is universally beloved and one of these awards and then I try it and it's great and it deserves everything.

I'm like, okay, fine. Yeah. What's the point of me then? I could just be anybody out there. I'm supposed to come with a good take stand. Yeah. You're you're a contrarian. Yeah.

You're independence and your uniqueness is gone. Yeah. You love the thing everyone loves. Exactly. What's the point? But then sometimes the thing that everyone loves is just great. It's really good. Like pizza.

It's great. Good for everybody who loves it. We're all on the same team. It's nice to be. It's nice to be an accepted member of the community. Yeah. I would love to have played more Last of Us, but I can't because I have been dead straight working.

These are the types of texts that I didn't get last night that I'm very. Wow. You're playing Last of Us. That is my bright spot. I was cooking dinner. Yeah. You're playing a 10 year old video game. Yeah.

It was it was a lot. It was a lot. And I mean, I don't want to sit here and complain because I feel good and it's not that bad. Yes. But it was a lot of hassle. And then at the same time, the episode that we're doing today, Jordan, is the debate coverage of Alex Jones on the first debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

And so that was a whole lot of territory to cover. And so it was a lot on my plate. And I really am jealous of time that I used to have to play video games, but eventually I'll be able to get back to playing a little bit and that'll be fun. I'll shoot some zombies. It'll be awesome. And maybe hit somebody with a baseball bat. Who knows?

So we're going to get to this episode. It's gonna, there's a bit going on here. It's really silly. A lot of it's very stupid. Yeah. And we'll get to all of that. But before we do, we got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who've signed up and are sporting the show.

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We would appreciate it. Or what you can do is take that generous spirit, Dan, and you can escort it. Please be something about Mr. Peabody. Now I've lost it, Dan. You're so unsupported. You can escort it through the wasteland covered in fungus and take that to create the vaccine of truth and love and generosity that will carry us all through this by going to a local charity or bail fund, Dan.

Yeah, that works. Yeah. I feel like I executed that one and you gave me no positive reinforcements. Oh, wow. Because I wanted it to have something to do with Mr. Peabody. There we go. Shout out. E. Edward Everett Horton.

Who's the guy who did the voices on Rocky and Paul Michael? Oh, yeah. Everett Horton, I think? I think it might be him. Yeah. He used to know. Yeah. Anyway, Jordan, today what we're going to be going over is too much time on Alex's show.

Sure. They did what they normally do, which is really swing too hard for no reason. Yeah. And so they did hours of coverage before the debate, pre-debate. Sure. What's going to happen tonight? Sure. What are we going to do?

Right. Then did the debate coverage. So we're going to be looking at that. And then we're going to be looking at September 30th, the day after the debate, where Alex comes in and tries to spin things. I was going to say, I assumed their immediate reaction when the debate happened was that of the rest of the world, which was just like, oh, no, it's, oh, God. I think it's a little more complicated than that, but there is an element to that.

There's an element that I think a lot of people who don't look at this stuff regularly would be surprised to know is a piece of their response. Sure. I think I understand fully why, and that'll probably be a large part of our conversation. But here is an out of context drop from today's show. Dead cats are not the military. Fair enough. That's true.

That's one of the things that I find the most difficult to argue. What? Dead cats are not the military? He makes a good point. That is, I mean, is it a good point? I think it's a point. And it's a defensible one. That's what I'm saying.

I don't know if it's a good one. I'm saying that I can't argue against it. So here we start the pre-debate, and I got real bummed out because Owen Schreuer is hosting the beginning of it, and it starts with what appears to be taunting Joe Biden to debate in the pre-show to the debate that Joe Biden is doing. Okay. It's very strange. Okay.

Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. Joe, come out and debate. I mean, yes.

Can Joe come out and debate? Yes. That is, that is, yes. It's almost time, sleepy Joe. It's almost time, sleepy Joe. Wake up from that nap, sleepy Joe. Come out of that basement, sleepy Joe. See, they've been doing this thing for so long where they're like, this debate isn't

going to happen. Sure. They've kind of backed themselves into like, it is happening. Yeah. Uh-oh. You can't really taunt somebody when they've agreed to do the thing already. Yeah. And the pre-show of it is starting.

It's very strange. It's very strange. They had such a built up narrative of like, they're going to cancel the debate because Joe Biden can't talk. Right. Right. Right. Two hours until it starts.

Come on, you coward debate me. I agreed to weeks ago. I mean, we've already said this. It's been planned. People have been advertised. I backstage haven't a coffee. No, you're too weak. You're too weak to debate me.

No, I mean, honestly, I am already here. Yeah. Talking to you. And now that the debate is going to happen, of course, there have to be reasons why Joe Biden, uh, isn't the character that they've made him out to be. Both candidates kind of at an angle looking in. Maybe that makes it easier to hide Biden's earpiece. Where is the door that they're going to shuffle Biden off to, to give him a quick hit of speed

or adrenochrome or whatever they have stored up for him to keep him alive for 90 minutes. Great. All right. So these are the narratives that are taking shape here. Uh, we've got the earpiece narrative and we've got Joe Biden's got to have, uh, adrenochrome. I've never understood why they think that's a good line of attack on Joe Biden. Oh, he's probably taking drugs to get through this. Dude, I'm taking drugs to get through this.

Fuck yeah. I hope he's taking drugs. Everyone watching at home is hammer. Oh no, he's taking performance enhancing drugs. Fuck yeah. I was in favor of Sammy Sosa taking performance enhancing drugs. You think I'm not going to be pro the guy fighting against fascism? Hell yeah.

I, I, I think, I think that there might be something to that. And then also there's just like, uh, hey, uh, who cares? Like not who cares if someone's on speed, but like who cares about what you think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who cares what your perception is? You've decided he must be on speed.

He's on drugs. Okay. Cool. I see no evidence of that. There's an issue there. So, uh, Owen's trying to do whatever he can, uh, because there's no debate yet. Sure. It's still the pre-show and stuff.

So he's like, trying to make fun of things like the podium and like, he's doing that like up top crowd work like, Hey, you with the shirt, Hey, come on down. It's fucking sad. Look at this. Over here. They got an eagle up there. Come on. Who's ever seen stand up in front of a brick wall.

What is this place? That kind of thing. Yes. Oh, and they have a nice little COVID testing center there for anybody who's going to be attending. Isn't that nice? Oh, so trendy. Will it be the flim flam in the land?

Will it be the slam in the land? Will it be the sham in the land? Or will Joe Biden get cleaved in the land? This is info wars, presidential debate coverage. Nailed it. Woof. Yep. Really get cleaved in the land.

That was a long walk. That requires a meeting in the office after you're off air. Just like, come here. Let's review your performance here. I don't think so. I think he was told to do that because he says cleaved in the land. Sure. A ton.

Sure. I think it's even in the title of the band-dut video piece this came from, something about cleave and land. Was it because it's so catchy? So catchy. A lot of people say you've been cleaved in the land before. Well, because it's in Cleveland. Yeah.

I got it. I got it. Haha. It's good work. Anyway, Joe Biden, he be sleepy, I'm sure. It's going to be a wild night, ladies and gentlemen. 90 minutes. Oh, my gosh, Joe Biden, man, Joe sleepy Joe, is he going to be able to make it?

He can't make it. They've already admitted it. He needs an earpiece. He needs a nap, a break every 30 minutes. But he can be president. Yeah. There's just nothing going on. It's real bad.

This is brutal. Yeah. It was real tough. And it got tougher because he decided to start taking some calls. No. And he gets a caller who's like, this lady's trying to make a joke and listen to how great Owen's improv chops are. And at the end Trump will tell Biden he's fired.

Well, he doesn't even have a job, though. Biden doesn't even have a job. That's true. I was just, I was thinking about his TV show, Trump's TV show. Yeah, the old apprentice. Yeah. Well, it's going to be a crazy, something crazy is going to happen. They have some tricks up their sleeve, I'm sure.

Does anybody want to be there? This is rough. That's not good. Yeah. I like it when you don't just negate the premise, you light it on fire and then forget where it came from. Yeah. Oh, from the reality apprentice.

Yeah, it's from the show. I got it. Yeah. It's fun. Did you hear my pun about cleaving to the land? Cleave the land. Did you hear that one? That one's pretty good.

So Owen, as a feeling that this is going to be something that reminds us of another important debate in history. Sure. A time when a sloppy Joe Biden comes in against a well put together, shining, glowing Trump. It's very similar to another debate, maybe the first ever televised debate. Okay. So what's fun about this is that Owen doesn't know who was in that debate. Really?

I forget what the first televised presidential debate was. How? I'm trying to remember, but it was a strange thing because one of the candidates was... It's a watershed moment in history. ...sweaty, unkempt, and then the other candidate was, it was Nixon and who was he against? My God. Was it Nixon, JFK? Nixon and who?

The crew's in my ear helping me out here. Yeah, no. Okay. Okay. So here's a telling thing. Here's a telling thing. Yeah. Dan, this is a telling thing.

Yeah, it is. If you remember Nixon, but not who he was debating in the first televised debate, you're a fascist. You're at the end. You're a fascist. I have some questions. If you also initially don't remember either, you probably shouldn't be working at a news and politics show. I'm definitely not going to trust your Thomas Jefferson quotes from here on out.

It strikes me as like, that's when Rob do should have come and spear tackled him. No shit. Get the fuck out of here. Hey, come on. Go back to the Cleveland material. Come on. Come on. Leave the land.

All right. Let's talk about how the Indians is somehow not a racist name. I don't know. Take another call from a funny person and then shit on their joke. Except that lady wasn't funny. No. Anyway, Owen's got Gray Grease, Info Wars reporter, Gray Grease is on the scene, Cleaving the Land.

Okay. We're going to do it some more. This goes about as well as you expect. Greg Reese from Cleveland, Ohio, the site of the first presidential debate. What are you expecting tonight? I think you laid out all the possibilities. I would like to see cleaved in the land. That's what I would like to see.

I would like to see a stab. This is happening a lot. This is happening a lot. We're going to have to get reconnected here. He's obviously right outside the venue and they probably have all kinds of stingray trigger fish technology just destroying and sucking up any and all communication. I'm sure it's there. Guys.

So let's get reconnected with Greg. The trigger fish. I've been to these things before folks. There's just all kinds of stuff blocking signals and intercepting signals. Oh, a lot of Info Wars reporters have trouble signal. Yeah. It's probably a scalar attack. I'm going to go with if more than one info was now.

We only have two examples here, Dan. So that's not yet a pattern developed. Have we ever had any more examples of Info Wars remote people struggling to talk over the phone? Every day. Okay. So now I'm going to start going out on a limb and say that that pattern would suggest it is actually the Info Wars people who are at fault here.

Yeah. It does. It does lead you towards that conclusion. That was that's what I would guess. There's more supporting evidence of that than trigger fish. Do you like that swing? Yeah. I love it.

Probably drones. Yeah. They're good. They're trying to intercept our communication. Sure. I mean, it's better than Alex, who just gets mad, right? He leaves. Fuck these people.

I want to get them out of my show. Anyways, I'll see you guys in an hour. So he does end up getting Greg on the line and trigger fish apparently has stopped working because they can take the phone call. They got around. Yeah. They got around trigger fish somehow. Somehow.

Through a miracle. Yeah. And this is just two dudes who are like, I really hope this gets canceled. Yeah. Yeah. I think honestly, I'm in agreement. I think the earpiece will just confuse him plus with the crowd and the lights and the pressure.

I mean, I don't think the earpiece really does them any advantages. I mean, unless they've been training him on it, maybe, and they definitely want to drug them up. That's why they got to take the breaks too. But hey, look, we still got two hours and change. You never know. Biden may, you know, he may flounder and just cancel anything that he could get COVID. Who knows?

Everyone's going to test for COVID. Maybe he tests and he tests positive and it's a, you know, national emergency and they got to call it off. I mean, who knows who knows who knows to spit ball and who knows, we hope maybe you'll get COVID. Maybe you'll get COVID. Now I think it's a hoax and nobody will ever get hurt by it, but maybe if he does. No, but he, they don't want him to actually get COVID.

That would just be his excuse for not doing. Oh, okay. I got you. That would continue. Their is incapable of standing on a stage with Donald John Trump. They really don't understand what a debate is. I feel like they're hyping it up like they're actually going to fight. Oh, yeah.

Alex does too. Like he talks about how like he used to watch Tyson fights and back when he was a kid and like, yeah, this is, this is a mess. This is the problem with letting all these right wing douchebags debate online for so long. Well, they think that's a debate. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like they don't understand that what we're supposed to be watching is a very boring conversation

about tax policy moving forward. Slight different. Do you like it? Do you like a progressive tax reform with a certain cap on wealth and income or. It's not supposed to be someone yelling, black tax. No, you're a loser. No, that's not a debate. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. It's a it's disappointing. I'm fighting. No, but they were and I mean, I think that we have not talked a lot about our thoughts about the debate. Sure. Part of that is because we're going to get to that a little bit later, but if you want

to spoiler. Boo. Whatever happened to be in like, I have a $2.2 trillion spending plan, sir, you're out of your mind. I have a $1.8 trillion spending plan. I enjoyed those debates. Those were actually kind of interesting. Yeah, but I'm a policy walk down.

It should be boring as hell. Like everything should be McNeill air. Yeah, exactly. Come on. Anyway, speaking things that are boring, Owen doing this was a disaster. It was so hard to get through and thankfully about an hour in or so, Alex shows up and we start to get back into business. Okay, we are two hours out from reality setting a Donald Trump 74 Joe Biden 78 Joe Biden clearly

has had multiple strokes on record. They're not debated. Wow. He's having onset of serious dementia and Alzheimer's delirium. You're going to see something never before done. No one's ever run for office at this level like this. No one's ever been in on a national television stage with a competent person like this and no one has ever stood up against Donald John Trump like this.

So Alex is really on that tip like this is a real clear articulation of the way Alex has presented Joe Biden in the months prior to the audience. If you're somebody who listens to Alex and takes him seriously, you have every reason to think like Biden's going to come out there drooling. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to call like Trump mommy or something. It's going to be it's going to be a mess.

That's what that's that's the Biden that exists in the minds of an info. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I'm confused as to why they aren't doing preemptive damage control. Like I would have gone heavy on the drugs thing because that's the only way to explain that you obviously know you've been full of shit this entire time. Right. Otherwise you look like you believe what bullshit you're selling.

Well, there's he's going to go on stage in an hour and prove that he's fine. There's the earpiece that gets around like him and knowing sure thing. Sure. There's the amphetamines and all that that gets around the like, well, he's usually mentally so slow in all this. Sure. Then Alex has a third thing that comes up later. That's just remarkable.

But I noticed that Alex seems a little slow. He's probably drunk. He should do performance enhancing drugs. You might later. This takes a really weird turn. Okay. So does he do a little speed? We'll see.

Okay. So Alex is one of his complaints is that Biden's a liar, right? Sure. He said that millions of people died of COVID-19. Sure. Sure. When in reality, that clip that Alex played, he cuts it off right where Biden corrects himself.

Right. It's because he had misspoken. Whereas Alex pretends that he actually said that millions died. Just remember that you can't believe a damn thing comes out of these people. I mean, Biden just said last week, 200 million Americans, that's 60% of the population plus died of COVID-19. It wasn't even one half of 1%. It wasn't one tenth of 1% you lying flathrag.

Now that was the first thing that I heard through this entire time that was interesting to me. Flathrag? Exactly. What is a flathrag? Where do you think it is? I have no idea. Where do you think that term might come from?

Flath. Maybe Tolkien. Flath. Maybe something from Ender's Game or Childhood's End, something else that says End. A painting? Flathrag is from a painting? Sure. Why not?

No, no, not a painting. Like people who paint, they wipe off their excess paint with a flathrag. You think it's like maybe an Elizabethan or Renaissance term? I want to say it's actually very banal. It's from Conehead. What a nerd. That's the only thing that I respect about him is sometimes something will come through where it's like you and I are nerds, man.

Don't tell me that you don't even like Star Wars if you're going to drop Flathrag. You fucking love Star Wars. You like Coneheads, which no one appreciates now. That's what the dad calls the daughter when he's saying that she's dressed too promiscuously or calls her a flathrag. All right. Calls her a flathrag on payday. So Ackroyd is tossing out some flathrag.

Yep. Okay. That's the, that's the, what do you call it, etymology of that term? So I think Alex and the kids might have watched Coneheads. All right. It is on Netflix. I appreciate it. I haven't watched it since way back when I liked it in the 90s.

I mean, I'm not, I'm not mad at somebody liking it. No, of course not. I think it's silly for Alex to call Biden a flathrag. I think it's 100% silly for Alex to call Biden a flathrag. His mind is trying to come up with some kind of an insult that sounds interesting and when he comes up with his flathrag. Flathrag. Jesus.

Yeah. That's not great. I, man, that's a good reference for me. That would be like, I like that. That's an obscure reference. It's a little esoteric and it has a fun sounding name to it. I would use that in a bit if I could pull it off in a bit. Yeah.

It doesn't belong here. No. No, that's my point. Yeah. So Alex is talking about the eventuality or the possibility that Trump could lose the election. And if so, blood in the streets, baby, all of us, we kind of get caught up being on air so much and listening and watching myself to the shows.

We have so much info now that we kind of just kind of just take it for granted where we're at, ladies and gentlemen, because, you know, if you've got a hundred bucks on the fight and your fighter loses, that's a hundred bucks you lost. You got a hundred bucks, two hundred bucks on the football game, you lose that. That's a loss on this game or baseball or whatever it is. That's true. We lose this, man. We, we got to go to civil war.

It's gonna mean blood in the streets. I don't think you do. You've already got set up. So you know, it's explicit that if you lose the election, blood in the streets, civil war, and they've also set up the precondition that it's impossible to have a fair election. So they're basically just saying like civil war is going to start this winter. Just start a civil war. I'm bored with them now.

I'm bored with. Well, I don't want a civil war to start, but I would like them to stop with this teasing. Totally. Totally. This is nonsensical and frustrating. Yeah. I would prefer that they just shut up, frankly. I'm annoyed with you edging me at a civil war like, look, you've already said that there's

no possible way he's going to lose, which means you already know he's going to lose. Right. You've already said if he loses that the election was stolen, which means you know he's going to lose in a free election. Most likely. So just start a civil war. I'm bored. Well, I'm bored.

I think that I don't want anyone to get hurt. And I think that the possibilities of what that looks like in the real world is like, you know, possibly lone wolf type. Total appearing. I don't actually want a civil war. Right. Yeah. I would like this story, this season to end, you know, like this arc, this storyline,

yeah, whatever it is, this building of intensity towards this, this fantasized civil war, I would like for this chapter to end. Yeah. But I don't want it to come to a fruition where there's an attempt or an actual start. Totally not. I would just like for Alex to move on to the next part where he's back to selling gold or whatever. Yeah.

Like I don't, this is annoying. I'm bored with it. Yes. Tinged with scared. I'm terrified. Yeah. No, no, no, I'm absolutely terrified, especially since later on the debate, Trump said that it's cool to kill us.

Well, we'll get to that. I'm not cool with that. Alex might, his response to that's weird. Okay. I'm interested now. So how much money you think old Donnie Trump got? From what? Total.

All day. I mean, net or gross? Dealer's choice. I'd go with net negative several hundred million dollars. Okay. What about gross? About 15 dollars. Yeah.

Okay. That's interesting. Alex has a slightly different figure. Okay. This isn't about worship and Donald Trump. It's about worship and the truth. Donald Trump came into office with $12 billion and every estimate is he's got $8 billion. That's $4 billion.

He lost it four years while they shut his ass down and Trump's never been happier. He says, I did this as a debt to America. I've taken this fine on. I don't care about the money. The money was only about defeating this corrupt system. Do not remember him saying that. Rebooting it and bringing it back to the American people. And that's real power.

That's real power, man. I would like audio of him saying that since I already have audio of him admitting to killing hundreds of thousands of people. Hmm. Obviously, all that is total nonsense. But I think at the end there, Alex is saying something that I find very interesting. He's talking about how Trump doesn't care about the money. The money is always about just fueling this fight against the corrupt system of the globalists.

That's comically not true. But it's exactly what Alex says about himself when he's trying to sell his dumb pills and food buckets. That's true. When Alex needs to push the audience to buy a product, he constantly repeats how he doesn't want money. He doesn't actually even like money. Just fuel to fight the globalists.

Now in 10 minutes, he was going to say that without money, which he loves very dearly, he won't be able to. No. He hates the money. He just needs it to fight the globalists. Yeah, but he loves money. He loves fuel to fight the globalists. I don't know if he does.

He's got both. So what's going on here is that Alex is desperate to sell. But in this case, the product is Donald Trump. In order to pitch supporting this completely unacceptable, clearly aspiring dictator, Alex needs to dress him up in the costume of Alex Jones' own idealized self. His vision of himself as being like, he doesn't care about the money. It's just about fighting the globalists. It's the fictional, ideal, heroic version of Alex that he sells to the audience when

he needs money. Now he's just transmuting that onto Trump. Yeah. It's a man. Projecting. That's even more narcissistic. That is so narcissistic that it's him saying to his audience, you need to vote for him because he's me.

Well, he's the version of me that I tell you about when I want you to feel good about me. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Wow. So you got that guy, guy who's worth $8 billion, but doesn't care about money. He just wants to fight the globalists or in the other corner guy who's so evil.

So evil that if Satan told him to, he'd press a button and destroy the world. But a Joe Biden would follow that satanic order to hit that red button and blow the whole planet up so fast, it'll make your head spin because he is a puppet. Me puppet. You puppet. So I tell you again, everybody better stop laughing. You're not looking at people that can't talk and people that look like they're dead for an accident.

Every damn one of them looks like a zombie because they are. There's not one ounce of God in them. They are devoid. The Holy Spirit is gone. They are completely and totally turned over to the devil. So at this point, I was thinking that Alex was drunk. You know, like he has a lot of the fairly common drunk tone. Sure.

He's a little bit slow and then also just kind of like gets into these weird, like his brain works in a slightly different way. There's a lot of tangentialness to it. Yeah. And this is where I, this next clip is where I kind of really decided like, it's a yes. This dude's drunk. And I've spent a few minutes talking about how evil the enemy is. Spend a few minutes talking about how great you are, how great your parents are, how great

their parents were. Stay in red blood and they loved you and they stood up and they worked hard. They went through a lot of adversity and they built this country and they built this world and they built all the science and technology we have and they busted their ass with loving care to bring us to where we are right now. So whereas we know the enemies, Joe Biden, those poor zombies, those poor humans that fell to the enemy had their souls sucked out to their empty husk, white pages at the color column today.

What about our ancestors who didn't fall to the enemy and those billions of souls waiting for us on the other side who've already are with God and who have one overriding wish is that we be with them forever. And then you realize, don't fear the enemy. They can take your money, take your house, take your life. Don't worry about the person that can take your soul. Now we're 17 minutes in and I'm done preaching at that point. Hmm.

So let's talk cold turkey. Okay. Let's talk the cold hard facts of this. Oh boy. Joe Biden's going to be drugged up. Joe Biden's going to have an earpiece there. Okay. Yeah.

It's confirmed. It's all confirmed. The almost fucking crying talking to ancestors is a very, very traditional drunk Alex. Yeah. When we get into ancestors, you're drunk and we're about to have fun. Yeah. It's not as fun as other times of the past. Like I'll just spoil this.

There's no hatchet throwing. Oh, that sucks. But he's clearly like impaired in some way. So he's talking about the ancestors, right? You know, like he gets off that topic, jumps and talks about how Biden's going to be drugged up. Sure. And he's like, yeah, I felt good talking about ancestors.

I'm going to do a little more of it. Well, he just said he wasn't going to do anymore. Well, you got to do a little more of it. That's surprising. You know, that's what makes it about this. You know, we've saved this country so many times, us and our ancestors. We've been through this so much together. You fought on the Confederacy.

Was that every time we saved the Republic from these pieces of filth from the Chris Wallace is the world. Confederate loyalty or royalty. It just makes it more precious, doesn't it? But the enemy gets closer and closer and closer to singing at all. You know, I knew a famous writer Kurt Vonnegut. Wait. What?

Hold on. What? Yeah, this dude's drunk. Was the cat's cradle about Alex Jones? According to Alex. All right. Yeah. He, um, the story isn't very interesting.

Alex says the Kurt Vonnegut used to call in and would have been on the show, but he said Vonnegut was, he thought himself too old to be on Alex's show. Big fan of info wars. Kurt Vonnegut. Kurt Vonnegut. Kurt Vonnegut. Junior. The author.

Yes. He wrote books. That's the one. Uh, very insightful, intelligent, brilliant speaker. Yep. A good author, beloved by guys who are not as interesting to talk to as you would hope. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

He's the one who loved info wars. Loved it. All right. The guy who wrote a man without a country entirely around how awful George W. Bush was. Uh-huh. And how disgusting. And someone who died before Alex was like really huge. Yes.

Alex was a big 9-11 truther and stuff during the time where at the, towards the end of Vonnegut's life. Sure. Sure. Like, you know, in terms of when Alex struck it big, uh, that's, you know, Vonnegut was dead by then. Yeah. But I don't know, man.

I, I, I, weirder things have happened. Like it's possible that maybe Alex did talk to Kurt Vonnegut at some point, but the story is pretty boring. Anyway, the reason that I kept that clip in is because like you're really seeing this tangential thinking that he's going down like our ancestors have saved this country so many times. And it's so delicious. I knew Kurt Vonnegut.

I haven't tell you about that, kids. Do you know what, as, uh, as somebody who's described himself as Confederate royalty, I have saved this Republic many times. So many times. And, uh, also I'm probably Norman Mailer. I don't know. Why not? Let's throw that in there.

Yeah. I mean, this, this is supposed to be the like debate pre-show talking about like, you would think you'd be like, well, Trump favors tariffs where you think maybe they do not know what a debate is supposed to be. No, it's our ancestors saved the country. I'm going to brink of tears talking about how great they are. I know Kurt Vonnegut and then this nonsense. And I stand firmly historically in the line of saying no to royalty and no to corporate

royalty and no to communism and no to centralized systems. And I pledge my mind, my soul, my heart, my commitment, my blood, my treasure, my full capacity, my full resources, my full agency. Forage resistance to all that is fake and all that is false. Do you? And in that pledge. I sent what is going on. What is this?

All right, so we've been hearing from the campaign that Trump is going to come out and he's going to be really forceful on immigration and law and order stuff. And Biden is going to try and hit him on the also when you devote your life to everything you ascend. Yeah. I am in the tradition of rejecting Kings and now granted. My employee just posted a picture of herself with a t-shirt that she's selling that says Trump is my king.

Well, there's that. But hey, who knows? I've always fought against Kings. So Biden is a husk. He's a soulless short husk who works with the devil and would press that button. You would press that button. He would totally do that, even though Alex said he probably would also press that button and people deserve it.

But it's only if it's directed at different people. That's fair. So, but the thing is the Democrats, the globalists. They're running Biden against someone as strong and as powerful as Trump because that in and of itself is ritualistic. The arrogance, the false aplomb, the delusion of grandeur that they would field a reanimated corpse against President Trump. But then you realize the enemy is about destroying humanity.

The enemy is about having slaves. And so the enemy doesn't want to field something real that you could be inspired by. It wants to field something that's a empty husk and have the media gang up on it and push that dead body against a real man and have that dead body win, which is a purely satanic exercise. And so when you realize it's not incompetence, but a satanic ritual to put that corpse up against Trump. Now you understand the secrets of the enemy.

Do I? I don't know. I just don't know. In the same way that a lot of people who are covering the debate were kind of at a loss for words. I think a lot of people on news channels or people who are professionals, sure, not weird, probably, you know, they looked at that and were like, well, what the fuck? Yeah, I don't know what to do with this.

This is not good. I kind of feel similarly about this. Like, I don't know. What do you want to say? I like when he finishes a sentence and then makes the exact same noise I do at the end of that sentence, which is just, yeah, Jesus. So I just think his brain isn't really tracking all that well at this beginning point of his shift.

And I can tell that one of his main objectives, though, is like, Chris Wallace has got to go down. The moderator of the debate has to be preemptively presented as not only evil, but perhaps the most evil, right? Wallace is really the celebrated turd of the plant. I mean, he is his father must be rolling over in his grave. His father was a 60 minutes of propaganda as himself, but clearly, so I was generating the head is rotting from the top with with Mr. Mr. Wallace.

I guess it's the son of Mike Wallace, Chris Wallace. So that's coming up tonight. We've seen so much bizarre garbage. You know, one of the guys that hosted one of the debates four years ago was Lester Holt. Went on TV and said, Alex Jones said, kill the media, murder the media, go kill people. He didn't show a clip. He just said that. I was about three years ago and I sat there and I watched that and I knew mainstream media

was dead, but that was the tombstone being placed over it. So these guys will do anything. The toll-free number to join us on this live to stay evening September 29th. What's even happening? What is going on? What are we doing? Oh, okay. So Chris Wallace sucks.

He's the son of Mike Wallace. He's the worst. You know, four years ago, Lester Holt did a debate and then later he said that I said kill the media. And that's when the tombstone was placed on the media. Anyways, give me a call at 1-800. The path through that from just like a A to B to C is very strange. So he does take some calls and a lot of it is like, what should Trump do?

And Alex has a really clear idea of what it and it's basically just beat the shit out of. Okay. That's what Alex wants to see. All right. And he's talking to a caller here who has a slightly different idea about like what these debates are supposed to be about. I think Trump should say, look at you, Joe.

You can't even talk. You're emblematic of the rotting party you represent. I think Trump would like to hear him say emblematic as well. Yeah, but what is the Democratic Party debate policy? This is what people are going to vote for. They want to hear what the Democratic Party has to offer. Not to see who wins the debate, but to see what are the policies behind this man? This guy's a sweet person.

Carlos, anything else you want to add? Have a good evening. That pause leads me to believe that Alex, it's a foreign concept to him that this should be about like their ideas about various policies that like, nope, just want to fight anything else you got to add. All right. Well, then goodbye. Well, Carlos is a long time caller.

He calls in all the fucking time. All right. And I will say like he's wrong about a lot of stuff. And I think a lot of the things he says are stupid, but in terms of people who are in the infowars sphere, he does sometimes bring up stuff like that. Like he much more than other callers will like come in with something like, hey, there's you know, people are going to be voting for the policies, not who wins a fight. Yeah.

And Alex usually has no response. I don't always, I don't know if I've ever felt this way before, but this is the first time I've listened to a caller on infowars and thought, oh, that's cute. Look at you. If I played the rest of his call, you might not. Oh, well, I'm sure. So finally, we get a little bit of a sense of what Alex's thoughts are about the New York Times story.

Sure. About Trump's taxes. Okay. And it's an interesting response. All I care about is he's pro America. He was 40 years ago, was against an afternoon gap before they passed it. Well, they were first proposing 35 years ago. And we know that if you're in real estate, you better run at break even or you die on

the property taxes. And he, of course, he has billions in assets, but not a lot of profit. So what he's pro America. It's pretty disappointing to hear. Sorry, what? Yeah. The Alex's defense for the whole story about the taxes seems to be so what? Like Alex is just hand waving away the idea that someone could be a billionaire, but pay

essentially nothing back to the country that he supposedly loves so much. Alex is super lucky that his audience is full of complete dollars or else they'd probably have to worry about how one of Alex's big problems with the globalist is that international businesses hide their assets overseas to avoid paying taxes. If I were Alex, I would try to come up with something better than that's what people in business do considering all the time that he spent yelling about how Bezos and Tim Cook don't pay taxes and that's evil. This guy isn't even trying anymore.

And honestly, I feel a melange of feelings when I listen to something like that. Obviously, the first element is discussed and Alex's behavior is pretty gross. Yeah. And then close behind that is pity for what it must be like to be lower to the level of just spinning whatever outrageous thing your God King does, regardless of how much of your hard fought career you have to contradict in the process. But the third part is resentment. Like I really resent this.

That's really, it's really shameful. Yeah, you tell me you love my country and then tell me that you contribute nothing to it. Okay, those two things can't happen at the same time. It's tough. And, you know, I, you know, there's that element of it. But the element that I'm talking about more is the Alex element. Oh, no, no, for sure.

For sure. I like there's not even like, listen to this, this isn't this is this is some of his defense about dodging taxes. And I'm not just defending Trump. I know how this works, folks. They're like, Oh, his dad, the last 20 years of his life for their four kids kept putting money in trust. How do you think you get around paying the death tax?

Like his defense about accusations that someone was dodging the death tax is that's how you don't pay the death tax. That is not even trying. That's internally contradictory. Yeah. Like, oh yeah, the complaint is you didn't pay that tax. And the response is, of course, that's how I get around not paying that tax. Yeah, that's it's just it's it's hammer over the head.

Sure. Sure. I mean, there is I will admit that there is a or at least I found and I don't know if you have seen the same thing. There's a certain amount of sport that most people take in like trying not to pay all of their taxes. You know, like, I'm going to own or I will pay my taxes, but I'm going to try and shave a little bit off.

And if you guys catch me, you know what you catch me, but I mean, we're going to play this game. It's part of the American experience. I know that I've heard a lot of people talk about taking business meetings at places to write off. I've heard that before. Yeah, you do that, but not to be a dick. Mm hmm.

Well, you do. If you're the president who loves the country is trying to save it. Oh, that's fair. So I noticed a shift in Alex maybe a bit maybe half an hour, 40 minutes into his his pre debate behavior. See if you can notice a shift. Man, I'm fired up. Sorry, I'm a little fired up here, but we are now 53 minutes out.

Whoo. Let's keep taking calls at 877-789-2539 or 512-646-1776. Sorry, I'm saying too fast. 512-646-1776. I say it too slow. Think I'm drunk in the control room. 512-646-1776 or 877-789-2539. All right, let's go ahead and take another call here.

Who's been home the longest? Let's go ahead and talk to Tyson. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding in Kansas. You're on the air. Tyson. It's completely different. Wow. He is.

Wow. That is a person trying to act like they are not on speed. Man, he's just fired up. In Kansas. You're on the air. Tyson. How's it going, Alex? Man, I'm fired up.

Sorry. I'm so fired up talking too quick. I'm almost like that auctioneer when what was her name was up there. Okay. Get the fuck out of here. Fired up. You cannot be serious. Fired up.

You cannot be serious. I'm so fired up, man. What? What's the problem? Fired up. I don't want to be. They accuse people of doing the drugs. Fired up.

And that's fine. Right. I'm good with that. But that's brazen. That's too much. No, I don't know. That's too much. I think he's acting totally normally.

Okay. I know it's okay. You know, what's going on? It's like a Tuesday. Now, you're making a thousand countdown, seven to nine, which is obviously pronto tonight. Right through live with this covers through the debate. That is going to be eight to 9 30 p.m.

Central standard time. Nine to 10 30 P. M. Eastern time. That again will be seven to 9 30 P. M. Mountain. Right. Through to 7 30 Pacific. Coming up tonight and the whole thing will be archived at info

.com. I'm sorry. I'm so fired up and just sped up here. Okay. Let's go ahead. They were telling us a little slower earlier. I thought I just speed up really fast for everybody. So I think there's two possibilities.

Sure. He did do some sort of a stimulant. Well, or something could be. But I think that's not as likely as like he's just drunk and someone in the booth told him like, pick it up, man. Like his he was like doing that stuff where he's like crying about ancestors and shit. Sure.

Sure. You could be aggressive, Alex overdoing it the other direction. Okay. I could see that. That's my theory. I could definitely see that. Yeah.

It is just very stark. Oh yeah. It's a completely different terrifying star. Yeah. It's gonna be one hell of a transmission. Yeah. The system is counting on us not being awake, not being engaged, not being informed, rolling over, dying, being

zombies. But we're not. We're awake. We're focused. We're taking action and we're taking the country back. It's an incredible time to be alive. Stay with us. Yeah.

One of the two. Yeah. That one. I'm not saying. It's weird. I'm not saying he's taking drugs, but I am saying I have known a large number of people who have talked exactly like that immediately following going to the bathroom.

Yes. Yes. I have spent enough time around people who do blow to. Yeah. To. I think that there is a possibility. I can't. I can't say with any certainty what the conclusion is, but I

can tell you that like the experience of listening to this is like, well, that's different. Uh-huh. Your behavior totally changed. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

So Deanna Lorraine comes in to do some time with Alex. Sure. And she has some high hopes for the debate. I woke up this morning like a kid on Christmas. So when is it going to be? When am I going to unwrap my presents? And I feel like tonight we're unwrapping these presents. We don't know exactly what's going to happen.

I think there's going to be some surprises and some crazy curve balls. Really? Remember when he said to Hillary, you need to be arrested? I mean, all that. I know. I just, I hope that he is loaded with these one liners and these, these quips and these witty comebacks.

I hope we get one liners and zingers. Y'all are insane. Y'all are insane. Y'all are insane. This is not a roast battle. No. This is not a roast battle. If it was a roast battle, they would at least hopefully have

hired some of my friends who are all out of work comics. Yeah. It's, uh, wow. I mean, I didn't hear her coming in saying I'm very excited for the enumeration of policies or I'm interested to hear about, um, you know, the next steps with a COVID. Sure. Uh, no, it's, I hope he has some good burns.

I would like my president to own the libs and nothing else. Yeah. Wow. So, uh, they take really sad. This is really sad. Oh, it gets sadder. So, uh, they take some calls and listen to this. Uh, this person tonight.

I would like us all to pray together right now. Oh my God. I meant to say this morning. Oh, but like 5 a.m. I said, what do I do first? And I always forget. I said, we should all pray for president Trump upfront. I totally agree with you.

My gosh. 30 minutes out. We should do it. You want to say you want to say a prayer, Kurt? I do. You know, I've been wanting to call in for years and years and years and I've always said, Oh, I don't know. But tonight I felt that fire within me to call in not to talk about

anything else, but just to pray. So let's pray. So it's time to pray. Oh, it is literally time to pray, huh? Yep. Oh boy. Lord Jesus Christ, we thank you. We thank you for this day.

We thank you for each other. We thank you for the shared fire, the shared spirit that you've given us and the sacrifice you made on the cross. So the last time someone called in and didn't extended prayer, I brought it up, but I didn't play any clips either. Sure. And now I'm getting to a point where like this is happening a bit. There's too much.

People praying. This is not good. Have to at least pray. Well, I mean, that's a pretty standard opening to the prayer. I mean, I'm not too worried about it because, you know, it's a pretty normal prayer you'd hear. I think it's a little bit weird to imagine it on any other platform. Like we're doing a pre-debate coverage and then someone calls

in and we just have a like a specific religious ritual. Does anyone read the fucking Bible? Ever. Ever. Just ever. Do you realize what the Bible says about praying in public? Did none of these people even bother with their holy textbook? I'm furious with this.

We do this all the time. Why do I know more about the Bible than people who won't shut up about it? Childhood drama. Fair enough. Anyway, this prayer goes on. Tonight, above all Lord Jesus, we pray to you to let you know that we reject Satan.

That we reject Satan and his power that has been unleashed on this world today. And we pray tonight that you and your Holy Spirit come down onto this earth and touch President Trump and give him the power and the discernment to unleash righteous fury in this debate. So, I mean, like the beginning of the prayer was kind of normal. I think it's into like we reject Satan and also please help Trump win this debate.

Sure. I don't know. It seems weird. So, the prayer ends. It goes on a bit more than this. But the prayer ends and Alex's response immediately after is very weird. Every time I'm clear in the morning with God, I mean to do these things and I don't do it.

And Deanna, you're big on praying. Lead us in prayer for President Trump and America with the Holy Spirit. Really? He doesn't want this. They don't want us reaching out to God and bringing that in. They hate this right now. Pray. Go ahead.

Deanna, pray. Where are you guys from? It's... They hate... No. Yeah, so this caller... It's just creepy. This caller calls in and does a prayer.

And then immediately after, Alex is like, oh, I always mean to do this. Oh, Deanna, you pray. Hey, you pray. Double down on this prayer. I don't have the prayer capabilities right now. He doesn't. He doesn't pray. I'm either drunk or on speed and I'm fine with both.

He makes Deanna Lorraine and, I mean, this caller surely volunteered. And Deanna is not... She's too put out by the idea of praying, but Alex does not join them in this gesture, which is strange. So this next caller calls in and she's just overwhelmed by being on the line with Alex and Deanna Lorraine. And then Alex takes a shot. Oh, my goodness.

Alex and Deanna Lorraine. Oh, my goodness. Am I really alive? I know. Come on away. Be on stage with her too. I mean, come on. She's got that Marilyn Monroe pizzazz.

Oh, God. I'm starstruck with Alex every day. Oh, yeah. All right. I was not expecting this. Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much for taking my call. Yeah.

So excited. Thank you for supporting the answer. What do you think is going on, Shar? What's coming up? What's happening? Oh, my goodness. Well, I just wanted to start off by saying I love you guys so much. My whole family.

We love you guys. We love you. We love you. Woo. Yay, Shar. This is getting suspicious. We love you. Here's to Shar.

Here's to Shar. Thank you so much. We support you. We buy your product. We have... Here's to Shar. Wow. So, Shar is a lady who's calling in, and she brings up that she named one of her kids

after Alex. She named her most... What's the kid's name? Emmerich. Oh. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. Went the wrong direction there. She can't really take any of the other stuff she's saying, all that seriously. He wants to know more about her kids, so he asks the names of the other kids, and Mike down for this, because this doesn't quite go the way Alex wants. Shar, we don't want to just name your kids that are named Alex. What are the other awesome children's names? They are...

Our oldest is Oren. Oren? Oren. Oren. Oh, wow. It's awesome. Oren, like Oren. Go ahead.

He asked me to tell you. He says hi, and he loves you guys. Oren, we love you, brother. Aw. What's the other one? He's going to appreciate that so much. Our second is Arian. Aw, go ahead.

I'm sorry, what? All right. Jesus Christ. Yeah, so... Our second kid is named KKK. What's really fun about that is the progression it takes, because she's like, our first son, our first child's Oren, and Alex is like, oh, like, and he was about to say Oren Hatch. Of course he was.

But he realized, like, I don't know if I like Oren Hatch or not. Yeah, that's... Is he one of the guys who doesn't like Trump, or is he cool with Trump? I don't remember. I haven't complained about him in a while, so I'm just not going to say, we navigated those waters okay. That wasn't too bad. What's the other kid?

Next kid. Arian. What? He's the cool aid man here, where somebody saved me. Alex just makes a weird noise. He's just like, great. Cool. Next.

Hang up. Next kid? What was the next kid's name? Silas, I think. Oh, okay. Oh, boy. Yeah. So that was funny to me.

That was enjoyable. Man, what the fuck. You can't do that. Lady. Come on. Lady. I try not to be that obvious. Yeah.

And I'm bad at it. Yep. So Alex takes another call. And this guy's not a caller, really. I remember you confronted Hillary too, Brandon. Tell folks where they found that video. JustinOtherChannel.com. Click on more videos.

It's at the top of my YouTube page. You'll see me confronting that maggot. And you're saying it too quick, standing in slowly. JustinOtherChannel.com. JustinOtherChannel.com. Pull up. JustinOtherChannel.com. Joe Biden confronted.

Yeah. That was beautiful. So what are you predicting tonight? My great America. This isn't a real caller. This is just another friend, jazz, right wing, aspiring media figures calling into Alex's show, trying to get some clout. He's posted videos of himself at various Trump rallies and videos, apparently explaining

that Tom Hanks is a secret pedophile. But also he has multiple videos on his page on YouTube where he's being interviewed on Infowars. Wow. That's been on the war room a bunch. Of course. Looking at this guy's channel, it's super, super clear what sort of message he's probably getting from the content he creates.

For instance, he has a video about how Evil Bill Gates is that was released five months ago or so, and it currently has 571 views. That same month, he apparently interviewed Barnes, a video which has 235 views. Conversely, a video of him yelling at a Biden rally got him 66,000 views. A video of him yelling at a Bernie rally got 19,000, and one of him yelling at Hillary got 31,000. The yelling at Hillary one probably would have gotten more traffic except that it happened in 2019, and yelling at Hillary wasn't the highest-demand product at that point.

It's hard to look at this guy's channel and not see pretty clearly how this defines the ecosystem that Alex is a part of, and was a part of elevating as a media. Sure, that interview with Barnes is almost certainly stupid and worthless in terms of substance, but interviewing someone still takes effort. That's effort that is not rewarded by the audience that this media caters to, but what is rewarded is when you go out and record yourself disrupting an event that someone you don't like is holding. This creates a perverse incentive structure where a struggling creator could easily be

convinced that trying itself is not worth it, because the things that get the most attention are the things that take, you know, just being a dick. You just have to be a big enough dick in just an inappropriate enough situation, and you'll stand out. That's the economy of the Alex Jones media, and it's pathetic, but what makes this even more pathetic is that this guy with his YouTube channel is calling in here to talk to his obvious role model, the guy who paid people to do in 2016 what he's now doing for free, and Alex has no idea that he's been on the war room multiple times.

Alex has no idea who this guy is. You just kind of remember seeing a video of someone yelling at Hillary and Biden, and that to him is the mark of a great American who he'll stop caring about once this call ends. Immediately. Yeah. Yep. It's a bummer.

Yeah. It's a bummer. It's very exploitative. Yeah. Nobody likes each other, and they say they like each other all the time. They're great Americans. But they just don't care. Nope.

It's hard. It's hard to be friends with people that also requires work. You have to listen to them. This guy exists as a person who made this video that Alex vaguely remembers seeing. Not as someone who's been treated as like a guest on Alex's network. Yeah. Like this guy fancies himself a creator in the same sense as fucking Deanna Lorraine. Right.

And he's not. Yeah. He is not. Which is a real sad realization. Yeah. Yeah. He is usable when he goes out and he yells at someone Alex wants yelled at. Sure.

But next time he will be forgotten. Anyway, a lot of talk has been done on this pre-debate time about everyone getting these ballots. Sure. Everyone's getting ballots. Sure. They're in rivers. Everywhere.

Yeah. I too received one of the mail-in ballots just the other day. Of course I threw it in the trash. Everyone's getting one. It's all Democrat too. I know. It's like oh, so my wife, here's your Democrat ballot. She's not a Democrat.

She tried to go register as a Republican. They told her two late two weeks ago. What? And then the ones that they suddenly find are the ones that are just always. Oh, it's a Democrat. I came by our house. Oh, my God. What is a Democrat ballot?

In the general election, everybody gets the same ballot. Yeah. I don't understand what this is. The Democrat ballot. Right. They got the Democrat ballot. I'd like to push on this issue a little bit more, but we're out of time. Oh.

The debate is starting. All right. So Alex goes to try to throw it to Chris Wallace, who he hates. Yes. And Deanna does not quite get the throw. Chris Wallace is like the symbol of the most empty, soulless, un-American piece of filth on the way. I know, right?

I mean, the lying sack of fake garbage. Trying to be. You ask a few retarded questions. Everyone worships him. Oh boy. I mean, this guy is the ash heap of history. Let's, let's go to this piece of un-American filth, this chai-com worshiping piece of garbage.

Here he is. The worst is that he pretends that he's unbiased. But I mean, let's just literally go to the enemy of America. Here he is. A bunch of trash of dollars. Deanna did not quite get the, uh, the way this works. Oh boy. Yeah.

Alex was throwing it to, uh, to audio or other video. It does not need you to double down on him not liking Chris Wallace. Deanna, you're not ready for the game yet. No, but it's, it's so clear, like at the beginning of this, that like one of the primary talking points and the way this is going to play out is attacking Chris Wallace. Sure. I can assure you, none of the questions. Chris Wallace is a disgrace.

You're such a disgraceful maggot. Disgusting swamp preacher. I mean he literally hates this country. But you see, you want to die in a ditch, he'll help you. I'm not paying for no reason. It's a chai-com agent. He's a huge swamp. He's a huge swamp.

He's a big swamp. A big old swamp. He's a big old swamp. Yeah. You get lost in his eyes by which I mean, your feet get stuck in them and you lose your shoes as well. Yeah. So Jordan, um, what's up?

I'll say that, um, I was pretty disappointed by the debate as a whole. Like I think, um... Did you watch it? Yeah. Yeah. Ooh, I'm sorry. And then I listened to it again through Alex. Ooh, that's even worse.

That's even worse. In terms of editing up this episode and getting the clips, I had to relive it. And it wasn't better the second time. Are you sure? Yeah. Very disappointing. Um, and I think that a lot of people had some analysis of it, some of it productive, some of it not so productive.

I would say that Alex takes the cake for legitimately the worst analysis. All right. All right. I'll take it. Mike, down for this. Okay. Well, first of all, um, thank you for doing this, and I have a right to have a say in who the Supreme Court nominee is.

Hey, Kers, when they vote for a United States Senator, that's... I disagree with you. Unbelievable. That is the... Unbelievable. That is the highest level of insight that you could get from that debate. I agree with him wholeheartedly. If you just did that through the entire debate, same thing.

Same thing. Just... I don't think he's interested in his tax plan, Dan. I just don't think so. Yeah. When that happened, like that's right at the beginning of the debate. Of course. And I was just like, oh no.

This is where we're going. Okay. And what makes it worse is that earlier, uh, Alex had said, you know, during the debate, you know, we'll just, uh, I'm going to chime in as little as possible, maybe I'll make some fart noises. Sure. I thought that was not a plan as much as it was a joke. Fart noise.

But that clip out, when I was going through it, uh, and then he made fart noises and I was like, oh, you were serious earlier. You heard like, well, there's no need to pay attention to that. I'll never need that information ever again. Oh boy. But it turns out you do. Whoa! Dude, his eyes are pure black.

Have you ever seen something like that? And look how puffy his face is too. It's not right. What's at stake here is the president's made it clear. You know Trump has the intel. Stop interrupting. Stop interrupting. Stop interrupting.

Stop interrupting. Mr. Method. I mean, sorry. He's in the Supreme Court right now trying to get rid of, uh, the, uh, the Affordable Care Act, which, uh, will strip 20 million people. The bit's too good. I, I, I, look, I had my fun and now I'm over with it. You get one time with fart noises and then after that it's played out.

You lose. Alex keeps going. Yeah. So I think he realizes pretty quickly that Biden is performing at a level that is way out of sync with what he has built up in his audience, uh, as their expectation. And so, you know, that is something that needs to be addressed a little bit and maybe methamphetamines is one way to go about it. But there's also like something else about Biden.

He seems more alive than you've formerly said that he is. Didn't he, did he not know that? Only an idiot would not know that you were lying about that and that Biden would just look fine. Well, he, Alex, you know, he said that he would look like a desiccated corpse, basically. Yeah. And he looked fine. Well, you know why he did.

Why? If you're noticing he looks plumper, he's probably had about 10 bags of blood. No, this is blood. Okay. He's, he's plumping off. No, it's a plumping. He's on blood. I'm not just saying that.

He's probably got five bags of blood. He's plumping. On blood. He's plumping. Is that a little blood meal? Is that a little blood meal? He's on blood. He's plumping.

He's plumping. Is that a thing? Shut the fuck up. Yeah, of course. You don't know about plumping? I've never heard of plumping. I've never been high on blood before. Look at like a grandpa Jordan over here.

Didn't know about plumping. So if I understand correctly, technically I'm on blood right now. Alex's point is that what happened is Joe Biden was pumped full of more blood than is necessary for a human being to survive 10 bags, five, 10 bags of blood. It's a blood fucking bleeding out his eyes. He's got too much blood. You can have too much blood. You can only fit so much blood.

Yeah. And that's that's a heavy transfusion. If you were to get five to 10 bags of blood, that is a lot. I would say dangerous. I would say so too. Probably or recreational plumping. I mean, now I kind of want to see how it feels. I don't.

I mean, not too much. I want to look if you're going to try plumping, definitely get the consent of your doctor. So this this becomes like Alex's new thing. Like this is he's he's on that. Plumping is now the thing. Okay. Blood bag. Biden.

What I proposed is that. Smooth page. He's got about five bags. Super plan. We do not wipe any and one of the big debates we had with 23 of my clients. Plumps you up. I want to say that I wanted to probably baby blood. Yeah.

Okay. I do enjoy this. Deanna trying to be like a person having a conversation like what does it do? Just plumps you up. Just plumps you up. Just plumps you up. Deanna, how dare you apply basic human curiosity to a man who has no interest. Just dump a bucket of blood in your bucket of baby blood.

You know, this is the type of thing that should have made it very obvious to everybody why well in advance. Like of course the debates were going to be a shit show. But that's because Alex is basically acting the same way that Trump always does. They act the exact same way. So why in God's name would in a debate Trump not be like, ah, you're full of blood. You're full. You're pumping.

Look at you. Hey, my tax plan is about you're full of blood. You're pumping full of blood. You're looking at Chris Wallace. Shut him up. He's got too much blood. Chris Wallace, you're on blood. You got blood.

You all got blood. You can't handle the blood. Neighbors. Sorry. Yeah. It's it's a little silly. Yeah. Yeah.

Look. Point is, yeah, dudes on blood. Okay. I'll tell you the big takeaway. Normally Biden can't even talk. I watch his speeches. Not just gas. We clip out.

He has definitely had blood transfusions and drugs. He's all plumped up. He's he's still not a good speaker, but he's definitely different. Oh yeah. 100%. Look at him. Whenever Alex says something like, I watch his speeches, not just the gaffes that we cut out.

That is a tell that he just watches the gas one of his interns cuts out, but he's on blood. Yeah. He's on the blood, man. Yeah. That's always this time. I'm not bragging. I watch the full videos, not just the clips.

Like you. Yeah. You know. So what I thought was really interesting here is that after a little while, Alex and Deanna actually shut up and they stop interrupting the debate, which completely threw me off. I watched the Hillary Trump debates on info wars with my boy far out and Alex was pretty chatty whenever Hillary was talking in order to make sure the audience didn't get a different opinion of her than the curated caricature that he's painted.

In this instance, I was really shocked that Alex actually stopped talking while Biden was on stage and speaking. I can't tell what that was, whether he's just drunk and confused or maybe he didn't feel the need to interrupt because he became confident at a certain point that Trump would do it for it. Yeah. I was going to say. Yeah.

So I think I have my literal avatar on stage. I'm, I'm riffing a movie that MST 3K is currently riffing at the same time. It's redundant. Yeah. But there, there's a, it was strange because there's long stretches where no one's saying anything and it's just the debate and I didn't, I didn't tune it to enforce for that. I want to hear about plumping. Yeah.

That's a little disconcerting actually. Yeah. It's like a horror movie, like the calm before. So Alex gives his sort of thesis statement here of like what Trump needs to do because he's not doing enough. I don't know. He should try plumping. That's apparently working.

So far. So that's what Alex wants. That's what he wants to see from his candidate. Don't even treat the questions as if they were asked. Just yell and attack. Yep. So cool. Anyway, that does sort of happen eventually.

And this is the first like real outburst from Deanna and Alex. Vice President Biden, you are holding much smaller events with nobody will show up. People with math. Great. In any case, why you cue that up? We're going to use that. Wow. Yeah.

It's kind of sad. All right. So we have infrastructure issues to talk about. We could deal with, I don't know, the largest crisis that any of us have ever faced. We could talk about that in the 2016 debates in the Republican primary. Trump talked about having a big dick like we're done. We are done. Yeah.

Yep. Oh, well, it was fun. Anyway, Alex is pretty disappointed, even though Trump's getting a few good zingers in. He's disappointed that the fake version of Biden isn't there. Well, Trump's doing a great job, but Biden is hopped up. He's definitely, like you said, on something he's able to talk and Trump is not dominating him.

Trump's winning, but not as big a win as we thought there'd be, honestly. Alex's disappointment here is really interesting because by all accounts, he should be loving this. Trump is being an asshole. He's interrupting all over the place and neither Chris Wallace nor Biden can really stop him or do anything to make this a conversation about policy differences. Trump's throwing out some zingers that Alex is loving, but at this point, you can tell that this is not what Alex wanted, and here's why.

Trump is not contradicting reality in the ways Alex needs him to. Trump is arguing with Biden about when a vaccine will be available, not about how the vaccine is actually a secret plot to microchip and kill everyone. Trump is saying that states should open up and masks are fine. He's not saying that COVID-19 is a hoax and that the Democrats are trying to take over the world using it. In the same way that this debate has the danger of revealing to Alex's cloistered audience that Joe Biden can in fact complete sentences and he isn't a man in the depths of late-stage

dementia, it also carries the danger of revealing that Trump is not who Alex has built him up to be either. Trump is a bully and an asshole. He's an aspiring dictator and he's willing to use whatever support he's able to to exploit, but when the cards are on the table, he doesn't give a fuck about Alex's pet conspiracy theories. And he doesn't want to waste the political capital it would take for him to yell about vaccines, he'd probably rather try to find a way to make a buck off them. This isn't stark opposition to the image that Alex Payne's of the man who was brought

in by God to fight the battle against the globalists as their champion. That was one of the things that struck me the most when I was watching the debate because I didn't expect anything other than a train wreck, so I was mostly prepared for that aspect. There wasn't a winner, but ultimately Joe Biden probably lost the least, or at least came closest to winning because his campaign doesn't have a lot of, you know, it's not built on enthusiasm about him as a personality. If he comes out and fails to articulate left-wing positions well, that's not going to surprise anyone on the left.

As long as he manages to get through the debate without conceding to Trump, he's gonna retain the support that he has among the Democratic base, and there probably aren't a whole lot of undecided voters to convince one way or another at this point. On the other hand, Trump has a lot to lose, mostly because his base is made up of a whole lot of weirdos with wildly different beliefs about who he is and what he's doing. Each of them is a mini-Trump cult that has their own version of the story. For Q, people is that of a secret group in the government that's rooting out all the evil doers.

Most of them are already dead and have been replaced by clones, but weirdly, Trump never seems to bring up any of this stuff or act like any of it's true. For people in the Infowars fold, Trump is a God-ordained ruler-king who was brought to Earth at exactly the right moment to be their hero and deliver them from the bondage of the literal Christian devil and his minions, the Democrats. But weirdly, Trump fails to be on the same page with Alex about some pretty major elements of what's supposed to be the devil's plan, sure. If the key to defeating the devil's plan is exposing the hoax of COVID-19 and Trump

has all the evidence that it's a hoax, then it sure seems weird that he's bickering with Biden about how soon a vaccine can be delivered by the military no less. That's something Alex shouldn't like to hear. Oh, that's not good. I have a suspicion that this debate could have been a disaster for Trump, but not in the way that rational people might expect. Normal humans would watch that debate and what they'd see on stage is one complete raving asshole in one politician.

Assuming that the politicians' policies aren't something you completely disagree with, you'd probably vote for them over a raving asshole, because that dude is a raving, lunatic asshole But I think the damage that Trump could have done to himself wasn't crazy enough, or maybe a better way to put it is that he wasn't crazy in the right ways. It would be almost impossible to satisfy all the different communities of Trump idolaters with their varying belief structures, so it makes sense that no matter what, some of them would end up disappointed and disillusioned by this debate. And that kind of does seem to be what Alex is experiencing.

This is pretty tough for Alex, because if Trump were aware that this COVID-19 is an elaborate hoax being perpetrated on the American public in order to crash the economy and put the population into slavery and then eventually death, it would be kind of his responsibility as president to be forthright about that. It wouldn't be a very admirable thing for him to know about this plan, and it's a plan to kill everyone, and then just argue that he's done a better job than Biden would have done. That's the sort of thing that makes you think that maybe he's not the same person that Alex

has told you that he is. And you know what? That should scare the shit out of Alex. That optics being very clear. It's one thing for Alex to turn on Trump. It's another thing for his audience to turn on Trump while Alex is still licking boot. Totally. And I think that you run the risk of that, because like, you know, why would Trump debate

about I've done a great job on the coronavirus when he's supposed to be aware that it's nothing. Right. It's manufactured to hurt him. Right. What he should be saying is there isn't anybody dying of coronavirus. You guys all just made this up in front of me to make me look bad. Yeah.

And if playing along with the charade is in effect aiding the globalist slash devil's plan, then why would he be doing that? Uh huh. Kind of raises those questions in your mind that are very tough. And the only conclusion you can really come to is that Alex has been creating fake versions of Biden and Trump. And like they're like toys on a desk, having them fight with each other. I just had an image of me playing with my two Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles action figures.

Yes. Uh, the Raphael one with his head popped out. Yeah. That was great. Yeah. That is what's going on. Yeah. So, um, Alex gets to talking about how the Democrats, they want to crash the economy.

You know that, right? Sure. You remember who said that? Do you? Who? The Democrats. They want to crash the economy. Which, which person?

Who said that? They want to crash the economy in order to punish Trump. Yeah. But which person said that? Well, the Democrats all said you'll never get to 3% he did, then they did COVID, the Honorable Reign. And now they keep going back to COVID. You suck the economy wise when they said they wanted to plunge the economy and blame

Trump. Don't Americans see through that? A hundred percent. And this was the ploy from the beginning is, is push this false epidemic, pepidemic false of push it as much as possible, say that it's this major series thing and then have the economy crash, blame Trump and they hopefully don't remember that. I mean, Bill Maher. All of them.

Yeah. Bill Maher. It was just Bill Maher. It was Bill Maher. Great. Yeah. Oh boy. So there was a raucous celebration when Trump gave out that zinger.

Sure. Sure. It was a great zinger. Yep. Everybody got zinged. And then at this point in the debate, Trump brought up Hunter Biden. Sure. And this leads to a declaration of victory.

The mayor of Moscow's wife gave you son three and a half million dollars. That's not true. Yeah. What did he do with the result to deserve 183,000? Boom. Mic drop. Boom. That's not an answer.

It's not. None of that is true. But no. Hey, Mr. President. It's totally. Look at him squinting when he squints. That means he's lying. He's caught in the lie.

He's caught in the lie. Well, wait. He didn't get three and a half million dollars, Joe. Mr. Vice. He got three and a half million dollars. It is not true. Oh, really? No, it's not true.

Boom. He's caught. He's a Russian agent. He's caught. He's a Putin butt buddy. He's caught. He's caught. You were a Putin butt.

Look at him. He's squinting and disappearing. He's drinking water. Oh, he's scared. Oh. His amphetamines have run out. His shot is run out. 40 minutes left.

Joe Biden is pooping himself. So basically this, this follows with my theory and they're like, what they're celebrating is like, oh, he got one of our narratives. Yeah. Yeah. And like, oh, he's misrepresenting reality in the way that works for us. Right. And they're pretty excited.

They've got at least one that we can talk about tomorrow and be like, Trump is our God King again because he got this one right. Let's ignore all the other stuff like how I guess he's fine with killing everybody. I guess. Sure. And now the narrative becomes Joe Biden's drugs are wearing off. And so they just get really excited about that. But we've never.

He's got 40 minutes left. Like he has to. It is true. The reason I got in the races with those people, close your eyes, move with those people look like coming out of the door. Crack rocks. He needs, I think, a plethora of buffet of drugs and blood. Just spewing.

And I smetting. Wild. Blood. Any submitting anything. Trump's like, too pro-Israel. It's not against Israel. But I'm like, Trump is like pro-Israel. The maximum.

Obviously. I mean, this is ridiculous. Biden was talking about the Unite the Right rally where people were chanting, Jews will not replace us. Sure. The anti-Semitism that was on display. Wow. There.

Alex is misrepresenting it and saying, I caught Trump loves Israel. Sure. I don't even understand why anybody would think that this is good analysis or like, why would anybody, even if you are a crazy right wing person, and even if you're a weird conspiracy theorist, why would you think that like, Alex can't follow what's being discussed right and respond to it? Like he's incapable of doing this job. Yeah.

Even if you're nuts and an anti-communist, you should be disappointed by this. Yeah. No, this is a watch party. This is like whenever a new episode of Mad Men was released and everybody's like, let's get our friends together. And everybody's like, oh, look at what Don Draper did. It has nothing to do with reality. But dude, it's more off topic than that, I think.

Wow. That's fair. I think watch parties for Mad Men are a little bit better moderated. That's probably true. Now, like, look at this. Listen to this. This is just nonsense. We're not going to talk about law and order.

Since we had trouble with democratic run. We're not talking about law and order. None of his good topics are allowed. Chris Wallace, the enemy of America. Chris Wallace, he just said, literally just said, we're going to talk about law and order. What is the point? What is the point of these people? Just shut up.

It's outrageous. There's no talking to you. There's no point in you talking. Nothing you do is good or worthy of even fucking just shut up and leave us alone. So another thing is like, so Alex has been painting Chris Wallace as like the most evil thing ever. And part of this is like, they're ganging up on Trump. He's not asking Biden any hard questions.

And then he asks Biden a hard question. And this doesn't, like, this shouldn't work for Alex. Have you ever called the Democratic mayor of Portland or the Democratic governor of Oregon and said, hey, you got to stop this, bring in the National Guard, do whatever it takes. But you'd stop the days and months of violence in Portland. I don't hold public office now. I am a former vice president. I've made it clear.

Oh, what a cop out, as if you're the main candidate, you couldn't do that. They do what he said like that. Right. That was a good question, though. I got a handstand. Chris Wallace. Oh, good question, though. Wait, doesn't that invalidate the idea that Chris Wallace wouldn't be asking any hard

questions? Jesus. I hate all of this. I hate all of this. Yeah. Why are you guys dealing with reality? This is the problem. One reality is forced to meet reality.

It looks incredibly stupid. Yeah. I think Alex is a little bit, even on his heels, a tiny bit, and might be booze related or it might just be like, what is this? What did I think this was going to be? Why did I think this was going to not be what it so obviously was going to be? Yeah. So we get to the point in the debate where Trump is asked about the proud boys.

Sure. And this is interesting. Alex seems pretty disappointed. Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence that we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland? Sure. I'm willing to do that, but I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not

from the right wing. So what are you saying? I'm willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Then do it, sir. Do it. He signed an executive order last week. Dick head.

Right. Sorry. See Trump does not remember this. Right wing. Right proud boys. Right proud boys. I'm not going to stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left.

See because this is not a right wing. He's not a right wing. It's all the left. He signed an order to listen to KKK and the first terrorist. I know. But he doesn't even, let's just keep going. I'm sorry. You should have been there.

No, no, no. That is... He's really disappointed that Trump didn't say, ah, my good sir. I did sign an executive order saying that Antifa and the KKK are terrorists. So don't ask me about the proud boys or whatever. Like Trump didn't use that deflection to get off the topic. Instead, he said something that everybody heard as terrifying. Oh, no, no, no.

He just told the proud boys to be ready to murder the left at any point in time. I don't understand. I don't think Alex heard it that way. I think that's a... That is true. Yeah. That doesn't sound like he realized that what Trump just said was it's okay for you and your friends to kill the left like you've always wanted to do.

Yeah. I don't know if Alex took that message away from it. He... I think he's... He can't even comprehend his own guy. His reading comprehension skills are so low. Even the guy who's telling him what he wants to hear, he's unable to understand. Yeah.

The generous reading of Trump's response there is an unwillingness to alienate like some of his passionate supporters. And then also, he probably was trying to say stand down or whatever, and he kept saying stand back, stand by. Sure. Or at least, at very least, he phrasing it that way allows that possible interpretation. Sure. Sure.

So there's a defensibility of it. Yeah. And I find it all very tiring. Yeah. And terrifying and bad. Yeah. To that, I say fuck off. Mm-hmm.

Also, this is going to be a problem for Alex. You believe that human pollution, greenhouse gas emissions... You believe we should pay Rothschild money to say that? I think to an extent yes. I think to an extent yes. Uh-oh. That's not good. No.

Oh, man. Unreality is losing at every turn. Yeah. I mean, if you're Alex, like what do you do when Trump says yes, human pollution is contributing to climate change? Yep. And, uh... Wait, I thought it was supposed to be a Chinese scam.

And COVID is real weight. I thought it was supposed to be a Chinese bio weapon. Oh, no. Trump's just doing a rope dope thing. Sure. But also... Oh, man. Yeah.

These people. So earlier, Owen didn't know who was in the first televised presidential debate. Now we learn something that Deanna doesn't know. We can get to net zero in terms of energy production by 2035. Not only not costing people jobs, creating jobs, creating millions of good paying jobs, not 15 bucks an hour, but prevailing wage by having a new infrastructure... Meanwhile, they're the ones that are shutting the economy down and saying you're not essential. I mean, this is disgustingly obvious.

Prevailing wage? To? Because with us out of it... New word. What? Good for you. Good for you, Deanna. Deanna, you should have learned about prevailing wage.

If she's just finding out about it, do you think she was like, I should find a better job? I am getting paid 15 bucks an hour for this. Deanna, if you Google it, you might want to rethink your contract with Alex. But yeah, I think that's always interesting when... It almost had the sound of her thinking she had a gotcha. Like Biden said something that doesn't... Prevailing wage?

That's a new word. What is that? And in reality, all it shows is like you don't know anything. Maybe much about working issues. Kind of stupid. So they get really bored by this point because they've already decided, like, aha, the Hunter Biden thing, he's... He won.

Trump's got the knockout. He won. It's over. Biden's slowly losing his mental faculties. This is mop up time. We should be dealing with the mercy rule. So Alex, at this point, just starts talking about corn pop a lot. I actually have studied your plan and it includes upgrading four million buildings, weatherizing

two million hounds over four years, building one and a half million energy efficient homes. So the question becomes some president is saying, I think some people who support the president would say that sounds like it's going to cost a lot of money and hurt the economy. It's going to create thousands and millions of jobs. It's going to remove jobs and push people into a little smart city. So when Alex said, let corn pop talk, you might have noticed that his voice changed a little bit.

That was him leaving. Yeah. That sounded right. He just left. He just left. Yeah. Did he come back? Yeah.

Like maybe five minutes later. So in the middle, he didn't announce anything. Nope. He was just like, hey, guys, I got to get a drink. I'm going to be right back. He's either getting a drink or like he has to pee or something like I don't know what it is. But yeah, he just leaves.

Okay. All right. How's Deanna doing by herself? Not great. I didn't just mostly hear the debate with her going every now and again, prevailing way you Jay. So they get to the topic of voter fraud in the debate. Sure.

And this is where Trump won. We won't know. We might not know for months because these ballots are going to be all over. Take a look at what happened in Manhattan. Take a look at what happened in New Jersey, take a look at what happened in Virginia and other places. They're not losing 2%, 1%, which by the way is too much. An election could be won or lost with that.

They're losing 30 and 40%. It's a fraud and it's a shame. Okay. And can you imagine where they say- Get the clip of this guys. This is what we're running tomorrow at the next day. This is it. The last five minutes is Trump in thoroughbred domination, truth.

This is everything we need. Right. Incredible. Woo! Bring it home, Trump. Bring it home. Trump is creating the narrative along with us that the election is going to be stolen. If he doesn't win, this is exactly what we needed.

Hooray. That's the celebration. Yep. It's really interesting that the way it's experienced is this is exactly what we needed. Yep. And it's so weird how that is overriding all of the very serious problems that have been introduced by the visuals of this debate. The fact that Trump is not the person that you pretend he is.

The fact that Biden isn't the falling apart old man that you pretend he is. Sure. Like the invalidation of so much of Alex's shit is just undone by- We got what we needed. Right. Where he's just a aspiring dictator asshole. Like the things that work for Alex are the things that are completely explainable without Alex's conspiracies.

Totally. Totally. The parts where Alex's conspiracies and Trump's behaviors intersect, there's not as much overlap as Alex pretends. It is, oh boy. That was the most I've heard from the debates. And the picture I had in my head, accurate. Right on.

Well, I think if you watched it, it would be worse. I believe that. But here was my favorite snippet from the debate. Okay. This is just Trump saying something that's like, this is like, it's unbelievable. What we're saying is, they're saying it has to be a postmark by the time by election day. If it doesn't get in till the 7th, 8th, 9th, it still should be counted. He's just afraid of counting the votes because it's downcomer.

You're wrong. You're wrong. I love you. I want to continue with you on this. I love you. Vice President Biden. Chris, he's so wrong when he makes a statement like that. No.

Excuse me. I love counting votes. I love counting votes. What are we doing? What are we doing? Just, I don't know. What are we doing? I don't know.

What are we doing? I can't imagine any candidate that I've ever been excited about saying something like that and retaining respect. I don't want to die because of that asshole. That's unfair. He loves you not dying. No. That's unfair.

He loves you not dying. That is cruel and insulting to me. I have existed this long without dying because of an asshole like Donald Trump and to die now? That's too long. That's too long. Sure. Kill me when I'm nine.

That'd be fine. I should be killed by an asshole like this when I'm nine. Nine-year-olds are assholes like that. Well, if you're nine, you'll be too young to vote. And if you're too young to vote, then you won't be at the polls. Ah, I love voting. And if you're not at the polls, then you won't be there where Trump is encouraging people, his supporters, to go and hang out.

Well, and will you pledge tonight that you will not declare victory until the election has been independently certified? President Trump, you go first. I'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen. I am urging them to do it. As you know today, there was a big problem. In Philadelphia, they went in to watch.

They were called poll watchers, a very safe, very nice thing. They were thrown out. They weren't allowed to watch. You know why? Because bad things happen in Philadelphia, bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it's going to be a fair election. If it's a fair election, I am 100% on board.

But if I see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, I can't go along with that. And I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, it means you have a fraudulent election. You said you have 80 million ballots and they're not equipped. These people aren't equipped to handle it. Number one. Because of you. They cheat. They cheat.

Well, they did all this to do it. They found ballots in a waste paper basket. They created this with the COVID to do it. If you're saying that, you know, you want an election, you want a good, clean election and you'll respect the results of a good, clean election. But unfortunately, you know, if there's tons of chicanery, then you can't respect the results. And then your next sentences are, look at all this chicanery. You're kind of signaling something.

And that is that you will not view the election as being valid. So enough of this debate. We're done with it. Alex has a summation before he leaves for the night. And Deanna Lorraine and Owen Troyer host for quite a while and click, it was Trump's to lose. I would say the first half he didn't do as well as I'd like was still ahead. And then the last half he just way out took Joe Biden and absolutely destroyed him.

Deanna Lorraine will give you her take Owen Troyer will give you his take. Just remember, we've got a great crew that's working 18 hours a day to bring you this. There's no independent media like this that actually has live coverage of this other than full wars. We are so blessed to be here. No one has a live coverage. Please remember, we have a big special prepared with Alex.com, the lowest price. The debate was live.

Yeah, yeah. It was broadcast live. Yeah. There's a number of people who are doing live coverage. Um, yeah. So, uh, you know, just trying to funnel it, get some money to we can do. I just hate the P that like, I think he was the first half hour, you know, I think he was doing pretty good.

He's, he's still one, but not by much is like, look, just say that he didn't do well. And then he came back and won it. He doesn't have to be winning, but not by as much. Okay. My team is down 16 points to the jets, but we're only winning by a little bit. He was an asshole, but he should have been worse. And then later he got to be more of an asshole and that excited me and I got to go to bed. I'm tired.

Simple. That's a great analysis. That's a summation right there, Dan. So Alex comes in on the 30th and we're not going to listen to too much of this episode because it's, it's not really, uh, much going on quite frankly, but, uh, Alex has now decided that Trump did great. And there's a lot of people who are saying that he did bad, uh, even on the right, even on the right.

Well, yeah. Maybe a Matt Drudge type. Yeah. For obvious reasons. Um, but hey, man, they've just never been in a debate and again, I'm not putting anybody down that thought Trump did a better job. It's easy when you're sitting in on your sofa and you're 30 years old or you're 40 years old and you're not 74 and you're not under the lights with Chris Wallace interrupting

you constantly to, uh, point out where the doer of deeds could have done better. Uh, but I just know what it's like to be under pressure up on a stage with someone interrupting you, not at that level, but pretty much as high level as you can get before that. So I've been right to almost where Trump said, but it's presidential debate when people are outnumbering you and, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's hard. That's why I have the tactic. Well, they won't have me on any shows is I just say what I'm going to say and ignore what they're saying.

And that's like an adult good way to win debates. That's how I mop the floor. That is not a good way to win debates. It's definitely a good way to make people who don't book you on shows sound very sensible. It's a way to end debates and bookings. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah.

Yeah. So my strategy in debates is to not even listen to questions and just yell. What I like to do is whenever people bring me on their show, I'd like to don't engage and act like their show doesn't matter to me. I would love it if Alex Jones like taught a debate class and the whole thing was just like, ah, there was just exercises to make you louder. La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la. That's not, that's not cool.

Um, so, Hey man, look, some people had some things to say about Trump and the, but they're not in the arena. They're not, they're not debating like Alex did with Piers Morgan or that guy in the UK where he yelled at him a bunch and screamed in for wars.com. Um, Hey, but look, any criticism of Trump is one thing. Think about Biden, bro. He thinks he's better than everybody. He gets up on stage and brags about how he's the best lawyer ever.

I don't know people that knew him in Delaware. They are crooks, man, and nasty and used people and steel. I mean, he doesn't give tips either to Hillary thinking about this. Joe Biden doesn't give people tips. Folks, he goes in, eats a steak dinner. You don't get $5. He goes into a diner. You don't get a nickel.

No tips. Yeah. If you work for Trump, you don't get paid. You tipped. That's true. I don't think he does that. Not probably not. I doubt he tips.

Um, yeah, I mean, you should tip obviously, but kind of trivial, um, compared to what you see from, uh, that raving asshole, Trump, anyway, uh, Dan Lyman, uh, from Europe Wars comes on, so they do a, uh, bit of a segment of just shitting on immigrants and, uh, here's just a little taste, literally. And they basically work to, to transport migrants from, uh, Turkey that have come in from other countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and bring them into Europe. And then the operation goes on from there to bring them onto mainland Europe.

Continue laying this out. Alex is eating. Have a lunch. Nice little sandwich. Yeah. Come on. The debate happened. Look, I think he was up late last night.

Had a couple of more drinks to kind of calm himself down. Sure. Yeah. I need some to mop it up. Yeah, totally. So Alex gets to talking here on this episode about how like if he could, he would run, he would run, but there's nowhere on earth you can't run from the globalists cause globe, you know, yeah, that does, that does make sense.

So you can't run and apparently his early career is meaningless. It's coming and it's coming fast. You can have to fight folks. I'll just be honest. If I could run to some country and have another 50 years and 40 years and I would leave, there's nowhere to go. Our backs against the wall. And it just makes me sick because when I was not as knowledgeable, I could, I

could wargame things and think, well, we'll defeat the enemy. We'll crush them in the fight, but they're soulless. No bodies. And so it's, it's, they're like non-player characters. There we go. And so it doesn't even do anything. It's, it's just ridiculous. It's all a loss.

It's all a fraud. It's all empty. It's all pointless. It's all stupid, but it's all because the devil wants to destroy us. And once you figure out, oh, there's an entity. Oh, it's real. And then everything makes sense. I mean, I don't, I don't agree with the, there's a devil trying to ruin

everybody's lives or anything. No, I take issue with that conclusion, but everything else I'm on totally on board with, because it sounds like what he's saying is when I was younger, I thought I was doing something, but I was actually fighting shadows. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree now. I would even draw your conclusion a little bit further along in your career, perhaps all the way up until the present moment.

Yes. This devil of yours is just another shadow that you're fighting against. It's a shadow that you're going to have a tough time creating a bigger bad guy for, uh, seeing as there's a thousand, you're already on the devil. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you got?

Yeah. I mean, it's basically the same thing as like what fucked heroes over. Yeah. Like season one, your bad guy is siler and he can take other people's powers. He's overpowered. You can't do anything. He is essentially infinitely powered. Season two cannot really be all that interesting because that guy exists.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, it's the same thing with Alex next season. You've already fought the devil shadow. I, all I heard in that is just like, I cannot learn anything. Well, I can keep escalating. So we start off with, uh, fighting the, uh, the shadow that is that road in Texas.

Sure. And you start a good shadow. Yeah. You start fighting the shadow that is, uh, Bush and, uh, nine 11. That's a big shadow. Then you start fighting the shadow of what you imagine Obama is up to. He was going to become a dictator who is going to send in troops to, uh, it's plenty of your, uh, your guy, Ron Paul was going to be who was going to

take care of that shadow for everybody because he knew about how to fight the shadow that is the federal reserve. Right. So you're going to take care of all that business. And then you accidentally start supporting Trump and you do that. And that requires you to escalate your shadow. Yeah. Now Trump is in the seat of power that you were yelling about.

And you can't go back to local issues at being your primary focus. Like that road, you can't do that. That's, uh, that's moving backwards. Right. You have to escalate. Now you have the deep state, not least of which you have to know, at least on some level, the guy you think should be the king is himself worse than the shadows that you have been fighting your entire career, which is why your new

shadow has to be the devil. Yeah. He is the, the, the literal devil is the only thing worse than Donald Trump. So your enemy has to be the literal devil. Yeah. It's kind of interesting how it's like, there's like two paths that it's like, uh, like this is just the way his career has had to escalate, like in terms of who the bad guy is.

And then simultaneously, like, yeah, if it's a choice between Trump or literal devil, I guess most people would be like, I guess Trump's just a dictator. You know, like, I guess, I guess that's, you know, not so far. The devil seems way more fun. He's got more interesting plans. If he's got better shit going on, Alex's version of the devil. Uh, yeah, totally. His plans are terrible and none of them work.

Of course I want Alex's devil over Trump. I'm comparing him to like the pitchfork poking. Sure. Sure. And I'm not into that devil. I've heard he's a bad guy. Yeah. Anyway, Alex takes some calls and, uh, he's, uh, he's disappointed that

during the debate, uh, Trump didn't destroy the COVID fraud. Sure. And this caller is like, yeah, why didn't he? Uh, but yeah, now it's time to destroy the whole thing, not go, oh, we did the best job ever. We, whatever, because they've made it political. He needs to destroy Fauci, destroy Gates, destroy them all. That's my point.

Why didn't he do that yesterday on stage? Why didn't he just come out and just, just put a border right there? It would, it would, it would tank the dollar. It would tank the stock market and he understands we're in economic war. So I know what he's doing. I know, and I'm not even saying I disagree. Here's the thing. I want frontal attacks until I think about the consequences.

And so that's why I'm a surrogate year. All of us are surrogates for President Trump. We decide to be, we can be the attack dogs. Whereas in some cases he can, does that make sense? Yes, sir. That's not what a surrogate means. I don't want you to say sir to that. No, I do not want to hear you say sir.

No. Also, I would suggest that if the two choices are crashing the dollar and the globalists plan to kill everyone, right, kind of got to crash that dollar. Uh, I, I, is option number three, the devil. Cause so far he's, uh, he's higher up on my list than I thought would happen. Oh, very stupid. Yeah. So we've won last clip cause Alex has an interview with Jim hoffed from the

gateway pundit and he has some interesting analysis. Oh, does he? Yeah. This made me want to just throw a brick through a window or something. I guess it made me like, Oh, fuck yourself. I think Trump accomplished one thing. He wanted to, uh, expose Joe Biden and, um, he absolutely did that. He, Joe Biden looked unhinged.

He looked, um, flustered. He was mean. Um, his, his name calling was, uh, you know, subpar not presidential and, uh, and he also looked, uh, you know, uh, disheveled and. So Jim hoffed's complaining or, or it's celebrating, I guess that, uh, Trump exposed that Biden is mean and a name caller, which is rich. That's pretty funny. I, I just, it's just, do not just, no, if your propaganda style is right, the

thing that your guy did and then switch out the names, that's just, that's just too much for me. That's just too much. No, no, Trump being mean and a name caller is strategic brilliance. Well, Andy was also disheveled and an asshole and couldn't communicate clear thoughts, almost as if he were on some sort of drugs, everything that they say is embodied. And they're just like, Whoa, can't deal with that.

I'll just put Biden's name in there. Oh, I feel so much nicer now. I feel very comfortable with this. Yep. So, um, we come to the end of debate extravaganza 2020. I'm Dan. This is 2020. God damn it.

Um, and I don't know. Well, I feel, uh, reassured. I don't safe. I'm overwhelmed. I'm honestly overwhelmed. I mean, about the real world, but then also about looking at this, like, I mean, okay, oh, ensure your sucks. That's not news.

Sure. That's status quo. Absolutely. Alex was clearly fucked up on something. Sure. Probably, probably drunk one way or the other. And then either was acting like he was on coke or was, who knows. Maybe just took some super male vitality.

Who cares? Um, but he, he was all over the place and really weird and making fart noises during the debate. That was pretty funny though. Right. I don't know. I don't know what I am. I'm, I'm, I'm at a loss.

I'm at a loss. I don't know what I, I, uh, for the first time in a very long time, I don't know what's going on. This, this was bewildering. This is surreal. Yeah. No, I've spent most of the day, like, especially after I saw the picture of Lori Lightfoot wearing a costume, uh, lying to my face, uh, all day to day.

I've, I've just really started to feel like all of you are fucking with me. Like this is where everyone is in on this. I'm, my conspiracies go further than any, the globalist fuck off everyone. You're talking all of you. You're talking true to me. Yeah. 100%. This is manufactured to make a man lose his mind.

All seven and a half billion of you got together and we're like, what if Jordan went insane? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I was born in a cult with a prophecy to my name. This is the only thing that makes sense to me. I mean, I understand why you might lean towards that conclusion, but I'll assure you that, um, yeah, you're right. I can't trust you.

Even when you agree with me, you're in on it. That's exactly right. So I don't know. Um, I, I look for clarity, uh, hopefully to, to set in over the weekend and we will see, um, but Jordan, before we get out here, let's take some calls, some voice males who called in to seven, seven, three tat guys. Love it. Again, in Jordan, uh, this is Troy from Olympia, Washington, long time listener.

Hi, Troy. And I guess I had some, uh, tangentially connected slightly less than useless information about Alex Jones. And I just thought would be, uh, interesting to you guys. Uh, so our friend, Leo Zagami, uh, apparently has a translator working for him, a translator who has, um, translated his books from Italian into Japanese. And this translator, uh, who I kind of stumbled upon through pure hack and stamps, uh, is a guy named Hal Yamenuchi.

And, uh, you probably never heard of Hal Yamenuchi. Uh, but if you've ever seen the Wolverine, the 2013, uh, X-Men spinoff starring guy who's got nice hands, he plays the, uh, main villain, the, uh, the older guy who at the end of the film gets strapped up into that giant silver samurai outfit. Oh, sure. That's that guy. He's pretty good.

That guy, when he is not acting in major motion pictures, uh, apparently is a translator for, uh, Leo Zagami, um, among other things, he's also a mind, a dancer, a choreographer, and speaks at least four languages fluently. Uh, he was also in some porn in the early 1980s. So man really gets around. I love this man. Some of that might be, uh, interesting to you guys, uh, maybe at some point it's you or whatever that was fascinating, but unfortunately he hit the two minute mark.

And, uh, I didn't know this until like I heard some calls that hit the two minute market and there's a two minute, uh, limit. I didn't set that. It's just a Skype thing. Doesn't it give you like the option to rerecord your message? Maybe you can call back in, but like, uh, yeah, I, I, I apologize to this caller. It was giving some very, very important information. I'm stoked.

I really appreciate something like that. Me too. So here's the next call. I was, was that a British, uh, message thing? Well, if this is in fact, Danny Jordan from the knowledge fight podcast, if it isn't, I apologize for whatever ran the person on calling. Uh, just wanted to say I like the show. Uh, listen to it all time long, deliver pizza.

Anyway, you guys have a nice day. Goodbye. Hey, you too. I like that accent. And then second, uh, it also should be said that there is a British person who has the outgoing message. I don't know how to record one and I don't have the time to do that. Uh, so a lot of the, a lot of messages will end up starting with, I don't know

if it's a British person, but we got to, we got to get the Mr. T. What, you know, a friend of the show, Mike Wiley used to have a GPS that he always had the Mr. T voice on and every time we're going to record a cameo do a cameo. God damn it. We can do this. Oh man.

This is within our reach. Dan and Jordan hope everything's going well. Uh, I'm actually on my way right now to add to my to sleep. Uh, I just want to call in your show is fucking delightful. Uh, I really appreciate what you guys do. I have my name is Paul. Yeah, my name is Matt. Probably should have started with that, but that's great.

Hi, Matt. I live out in Eastern Washington. I'm a blip of blue and a sea of blood fucking red. Um, your show gives me hope and makes me laugh. I love the chemistry you guys have, uh, as a quick question. Have you guys played no man's guy trying to get some feedback on it and wanted to know if you guys that and what your opinions were, uh, also, Dan, I just pulled a three foot the key out of my garden this morning.

Uh, fucking wild. I can send you a picture later if you'd like. All right. Hope things are going well and, uh, take care. Keep up the good work. I do not need a zucchini picture, but I have, I have, I applaud you in your gardening. I was like, I have never played no man's sky, but, and I don't know anything

about it, but it is a name that I've heard people talk really well of. People say it's really good. I don't know. I don't, I don't know what type of game it is. Yeah. I don't know what it's on. I have no idea. Yeah.

I've heard, I've heard a lot about it. I've read a lot about it. It's very, it seems too intimidating to me because it's no man's sky. Well, I mean, it's not your sky. The idea is that it's like infinite. Like it's, it self creates a world for it. So you can go around and you travel and like one of the reasons that it had such a rough launch was because you couldn't meet any other players

because you were in an infinite universe. So you would just troll around the fucking stars, find in all kinds of weird shit. I'll be right back. Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. It got, it got to, it's like Eve online. It's not like gameplay wise, but Eve online is exactly. It's, it's like an intense like universe unto itself.

And it's just intimidating to me and I can't, I can't jump in on it. It's not something that you can dip your toe into, you know? Okay. Then I won't. Okay. It's pronounced cracker. Damn. Crunch him.

Hmm. Spread him with cheese. Crush him with a soup. Cracker. It's an easy mistake to make. We're not talking about crackers like a Ritz. We're talking about a quacka. That's, that's, that's an interesting, it's close.

That's an interesting breathy tone for, uh, for this case. Crush him up and put him in a soup. That's what you do with crackers. I know, I get it, but it's pronounced quacka. Quacka. Quack-a-rah. Dan, Jordan. Hey, it's your little buddy, John down here in Austin, Texas,

the non-health ranger. Hi, John. I wanted to call in and finally call into this service because I have been racking my brain about a fun little gift to send you guys. And I think I've come up with something, but it's a little bit weird. So first of all, I want to say thank you so, so much for, you know, helping me through this whole crazy fucking time. Dan's always been a great friend.

Jordan same, um, Jordan, your gratitude and engagement was fucking helpful when I needed it most when we were talking about Final Fantasy seven, all that kind of stuff. Dan, and your book is fucking great, by the way. Dan, you know, um, all the back and forths we've had. Love you, man. Uh, thank you for helping out with my company with that little thing that I asked you for and everything.

You guys are just great. So I want to do something nice. So what I'm thinking is you need to send me your DNA. Uh, and I know that sounds weird, but here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to make Dan and Jordan Jordan chimeras. John, what I'm thinking is I'm going to take, and I'm going to amplify Microsoft, a couple of microsatellite regions for your DNA, something that's identifiable as specifically you.

All right. Now I'm listening. I'm going to clone it into at least, um, four kingdoms of, uh, of, of, of life. Animal, plant, bacteria, and fungi. So please send me your DNA. If you don't, or you think that's real fucking weird, John, I'm not sending you my DNA, that's fucking strange. Then my alternative, I'm just going to send you guys each a copy of

Deanna Lorraine's book about love from a Trump in perspective. No, make love great again. Really? It'll be signed. Well, I mean, not by Deanna Lorraine, but still signed copies of that book or send me your DNA. I can, if you, if you agree on the podcast, I will send you pukele squabs and a stabilization.

Oh, he's the two minute Mark, I imagine that is the new SUNY. She, uh, divide if the world is suddenly populated by you and my descendants all through plants and animal life. I'm, we are the loud ones. I am so tempted to explore this, but I also feel like I can't, but then the alternative is a Deanna Lorraine book. I don't know what to do. It's very, I think we have to become Chimeras.

I think I had to talk to my therapist about this. We got to repopulate the earth when everybody's, uh, gone, man. Let's see what this next call is. Two minute cutoff. Have a good one guys. Two minute cutoff. A lot of people hitting that two minute cutoff. All right.

Let's see what I like it. Hey guys. So I was in the urgent care recently cause I got like bit by a raccoon while saving it from some dogs. And while I was there, I remembered that they were putting like, uh, hydrogen peroxide on the wound. And I remembered that whole thing where one of Alex's guests was suggesting to people inhale hydrogen peroxide.

So I thought, why not ask the nurse about it? And I explained what the guy had suggested to her. And she burst out laughing before she realized that I was serious. And then she got real grave in her face and went, no, don't do that. That could kill you. So, uh, apparently that doctor was just trying to kill Alex's listeners. I kind of get it, but still seems wrong. It would be, it would be very wrong, very wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, I do not support tricking people regardless of political affiliation. Dr. Mercola is up to no good. No matter what, man, I just, uh, it's good, good, uh, good to hear that someone did that. Yeah.

You know, yeah, yeah. I think the only thing that I would want from that is just the look on the face of a medical professional as they hear that. And the slow dawning, the dawning realization that you are not joking. Oh, that this conversation is in fact happening. What did I do with my life? I went to nursing school, uh, got two kids. I put my husband through college and then he left me and now this guy.

Hey, Dan and Jordan, I'm, uh, my name's Jory. I'm a listener, a big fan from South Dakota, uh, you know, the state where Alex Jones called our governor mommy and wishes he was the horseshoes riding on and then, uh, got mad at his son for, uh, playing along with that. It's, uh, miserable here. Anyway, um, I don't have a lot of friends that listen to the podcast. So I'm usually relaying information about Alex Jones, them cause I think it's funny and something that comes up often when I'm talking about them or something

like Ben Shapiro, one of those guys is that, um, they just say it's a grip. They're grifters and that they're just doing it for money and they wouldn't be doing it. They weren't getting funded by Koch brothers or whatever. And I always, I personally feel like that's a little dismissive and I think it undermines the seriousness of what those people do and say and the problems that it caused. And I was just wondering if you guys had a take on it.

Uh, thank you. Love the show. Yeah. I, I think, uh, uh, totally, uh, yeah, the, the question of whether or not people are shills or grifting or whatever is, it's, it's, uh, it's a matter, it matters. Sure. It's a real, it's a real question.

Um, you know, cause I think you approach grifting and ideal, ideological stuff a little bit differently in terms of how you might want to respond to it. Um, but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, um, in terms of the consequences and the effect that somebody has, like if you take this, uh, as like the example that he's using, um, the, like the Koch brothers paying people to promote X, like they would only be paying that, uh, if it was effective. And there was some sort of a policy or societal goal that that furthered. And that's kind of what's more important than whether or not someone's

beliefs are sincere. Sure. It's always an interesting question because like it, especially with listening to Alex, like it's almost impossible to believe that he believes this shit. 02:09:34,980 --> 02:09:39,500 Um, and so that always becomes very, very interesting to be like, Oh, are you making up that you believe in the devil or is that actually something

you believe? Um, but at the end of the day, the effect that it has on the audience is really what's more important and, uh, trying to, um, avert whatever damage can be caused by sincere or grift, uh, shrapaganda. Uh, I mean, I think one thing to always keep in mind is that the grift attracts psychopathic, uh, monsters, you know, like you, you do have to remember that if you are grifting people, you are essentially stealing their money and giving them nothing but false hope in return.

So, so you have to then remember that the people who are on this grift are 100% for stealing people's money and giving nothing back. So regardless of whether or not they believe their current bullshit spewing from their mouth, that's who they are. Yeah. It's, it's, um, it's important as a question, but I think it's not the central question and I think that, um, sincere or not, these things need to be taken totally, uh, seriously because of the effects, right?

It's consequentialist to an extent, but, uh, but at the same time, it's, it's, uh, it's not wrong to dwell or, or, or consider whether or not someone's running a scam. Sure. Um, it's just not a reason to like throw out whatever they're saying as meaningless. Like no one would ever fall for this because people people will fall for it. Yeah.

So anyway, uh, I hope everyone has a great weekend. Uh, we will be back Jordan, uh, but then we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed Jordan.

You can find us on Facebook. We are a Facebook. It's right. Tunes, uh, and if you could, please, uh, find a local charity or bail fund in your area to, uh, help out the people doing God's work. Yeah, for sure. We'll be back, but until then, I'm Nio. I'm Leo.

I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. I'm on five bags of blood. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.