Knowledge Fight - #510: Fourth Time Is Not A Charm

Episode Date: December 11, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how things went when Joe Rogan showed up at Infowars studios for a four-hour interview which was mostly about how desperate Alex is for people to make memes about him.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge everybody welcome back knowledge fight I'm Dan I'm Jordan we're couple dudes like sit around like novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones we are Dan Jordan I have a quick question for you sure what's your bright spot today my bright spot today is a follow-up to our follow-up yes to our bonus episode that we put out on Wednesday indeed we did people can find that over on patreon.com slash knowledge fight you just look at it sure you don't have to be a subscriber or anything it's free it's public but it's posted there on that page and we had played a delightful game of Thomas Jefferson or not Thomas Jefferson quotes indeed in my bright spot is following up on

some things from the Z mail bag okay so Nick sent some chocolate and some of these little nano blocks ah yes yes yeah I have to say first of all that nano blocks are the coolest greatest thing they are like little tiny Legos yeah I found building this pelican to be incredibly like a zen state I just felt really good I was relaxed building this because you do have to focus yeah yeah yeah put the piece in the right place yeah it was great it was like a really it really triggered a lot of those feelings that I had that I loved about Legos and I appreciate that that gift and then also a follow-up on that chocolate the fizzy jelly did you save any for me no I did not think so and it was brutal because the moment you told me you liked it I was like I would like to

try and I know I'm never going to get the chance I will order a bar just so you can try just so I could try it was so good how was it good how was it good it was balanced was it gummy and it did chewy there were little bits of gummy but but not like offensively so okay like it wasn't like there was a like gum in the middle okay all right and then there was like a fizziness like pop rocks kind of thing really but it wasn't over the top fizzy okay it was a nonsense okay all right okay on paper it doesn't work but it was so good this is one of those things where you're going to have another one and you're going to be like you know what I realized all I liked was the fact that these things don't happen to me before and now that I've tried them again they're awful there's

a chance but but as it stands now I eat the fucking I want to try it I want to try it you could have saved me a piece nope nope it's what's your bread spot uh well my bright spot was going to be the piece of chocolate I was about to eat wow not gonna happen uh no my no who has it don grand prix oh no how's he doing not good uh my my bright spot is a movie uh called wild mountain time I think is what it's called uh and it is an inexplicable movie I love it and you know those movie fizzy jelly candy of movies a little bit yeah you know those movies where you're like this is not a good movie this is not a bad movie this movie just needed to exist where it didn't before like it's just a thing that you're like I'm glad that's there now it wasn't and it's my favorite

type of story I don't know exactly what you're talking about it's my favorite type of story for two reasons okay one it opens up with uh Christopher Walken uh doing voiceover in a terrible Irish accent that sounds like somebody doing the impression of Christopher Walken trying to do an Irish exit okay it's fantastic uh and you're like oh this is probably gonna stop nope keeps going keeps going oh yeah doesn't stop this leads me to believe that it is a bad movie no it's amazing it's amazing and it's also my favorite type of Irish story of which there are only two there are two Irish stories in the world Dan there's Irish stories that go like this uh oh my god you're an outsider get the fuck away and then over time they're like okay fine you can stay but you know too much so you

can never leave uh or the other kind where it's like ah get the fuck away from here and then they leave like those are the only two types of there's no story where they Irish people grow and change nah you're either in or out and that's it okay and this is very much one of those stories and then it like the way it could be sold to you the way that people are going to review it is there's like a twist at the end there is not a twist it's not a twist it's just a reason and it's going to blow your fucking mind okay i'm not going to watch this movie but you got to see it okay fine i'll watch it just because i want people to talk about it i want more people to talk about i want to talk about this movie you're going to get some messages now for people who want to discuss

can't wait rocky mountain fever whatever it's called insane movie i can't wait all right all right jordan today we have an interesting episode to go over my path was winding and rocky as i as i got to this episode but uh i think we're going to have some fun and uh before we get into the episode itself let's take a little moment say thank you to some folks who've signed up on our sporting the show i think that's a great idea so first gaylen oh thank you so much you're now a policy won't i'm a policy won't thanks gaolin thank you next milo f thank you so much your now policy won't i'm a policy won't thank you milo thank you next devin thank you so much your now policy won't i'm a policy won't thanks devin thank you next most and eight thank you

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about half hour of him just talking about how he's like so popular everybody loves all right i mean look we've been taking off almost every box system that plugs into the internet and quote gives you cable but cloud tv is owned by patriots they put us on two years ago we're number one on cloud tv and if you combine all news channels together including oan or bigger than all of them newsmax oan all of them together and again they're kind of shocked by that they even moved us used to we were at the top because whatever was number one they put at the top they kind of moved us to the bottom like well he's he just he just dominates too much we kind of sound like a good reason channels will get some more viewers and i'm not in competition with those folks uh i love oan

i really like newsmax it's just that they won't play it's just funny because we have more viewers than all of them combined on cloud tv obviously oan is on a much more cable systems and satellite systems and i love it and i hope oan or newsmax become the number one stations i don't care we're too popular we're just so popular we're too popular they used to put us up at the top because we were so popular but now they put us at the bottom so other channels have a chance really doesn't sound right that doesn't sound like good business logic this goes on for so fucking long i was getting so annoyed and then alex was like not only am i the most popular thing i'm also like super alpha see i'm an alpha male so when i was a kid

i had the alpha genes i guess and i'd see a stupidly like like jason ginko jeans 513 where guys come in with a knife and you don't fight back and you run you fall down and you plead i thought that was fake i've grown up now actually the average man or woman does fall down and starts groveling and going please no but now actually if jason pulled a knife out the average liberal would run up and grab it and go i love you i love you this is good for me isn't in horror movies isn't the thing that people trip isn't that yeah yeah running away they'll like yeah yeah no white women in a scary situation in a horror movie are going to fall but even dudes too like you trip over your feet maybe there's a it's the trope that sure yeah yeah i don't think that the

people i don't know maybe there are some horror movies where people intentionally fall down and beg off with jason but i think it's mostly like they're trying to get away and then something happens yeah yeah i don't know they were doing their best they weren't like oh shit maybe this monster will have mercy oh what i should have tried was groveling yeah i don't know anyway i just got so damn tired of this yeah i was just like i need why because it was annoying and it was meaningless i just needed something anything to go on and there was one talking point that was going on on wednesday's show uh like i was trying to find like this something to pull out yeah yeah and this is this is uh something that is worth discussing

we've got a lot more here to cover but uh no yeah fda six people died during phyzer covid vaccine trial so we're gonna be talking about something else as a whole on today's episode but i did want to bring this up i think it's important for us to cover this and probably the sooner the better because that feels like it's going to become a big talking point yep on his show this week uh alex has been repeating this particular headline with outrageous repetition over at info wars you can find the headline quote fda six people died during phyzer covid vaccine trial the actual article covers some of the details of this story but these details you don't really hear them when alex covers it on the show because he just reads headlines then rants

about what he wants the story to be about it sounds scary that six people died in these trials but in cases like this it's crucially important to consult the actual information to see what the data says if you go to the fda's website you can find the vaccines and related biological products advisory committee briefing document on the new phyzer uh vaccine if you read this document you'll find that six participants in the trial are dead but that number has to be understood in context the first thing to consider is that there were 43 252 participants enrolled in the study six out of that is a very low number but even so if the vaccine killed six out of 43 000 people that still might be a cause for concern i mean if there's 300 and through 30 million people getting

the vaccine right you scale up and that could be a lot of a huge number it would you know so that's why you kind of need to look a little bit further in the text if you do you'll find that four out of the six deaths were people who were in the placebo group which is to say that they didn't even get the vaccine that's being tested these deaths are absolutely unrelated to the vaccine because they didn't get the vaccine so that leaves us with two people in the experimental group who died one of whom was retroactively john f canady so we know why he went down his corpse was yeah they didn't get covid so these two individuals were both in the older group which means that they were over 55 years of age one experienced quote cardiac arrest 60 days after dose two and died three days

later this was a person who was in the trial but two months afterwards had a heart attack this is sad for that person but almost certainly unrelated to the vaccine the other person experienced quote arteriosurosis and died three days after dose one arteriosurosis is a gradual condition and it's kind of absurd to imagine that it developed in three days because of a vaccine in this case it seems almost certain that there was an underlying condition unrelated to the vaccine that precipitated I thought it might be possible that you could make a study out of whether or not the vaccine could have exacerbated an existing arteriosurosis that doesn't seem like it was a major concern of the authors didn't seem like it was likely so there were two deaths in the experimental group

but both are unlikely connected to the vaccine itself but that report is being misrepresented and reported by people like alex to be that six people died in the trial and you're gonna die too I just it seems like a very obvious oversight for any news organization not to at least be like six people died in the trial only two received the vaccine in the headline I'm not positive how any other outlet reported it so I can't speak to that I do agree with you yeah that seems that you gotta do that it's an important detail yeah you can't not do that yeah yeah yeah it's very important yeah when you're looking at that number if two-thirds of the number you're talking about exactly is in the placebo group but I only know what how it was reported on info wars and of course

their standard is lying a little bit of a different situation yeah the paper itself from the FDA explicitly lays this out quote the incidents of severe adverse events and deaths were low in the context of the number of participants enrolled and comparable for experimental in placebo yeah so this is a disgusting lie on alex's part which he's able to pass off by neglecting to inform his audience of what the headline he's reading actually means he gives the audience the illusion that he's informing them of important stuff when he reports that six people died in the vaccine trial but what he's actually doing is misinforming the flashy clickbait style headline is not necessarily untrue itself but the conclusion it's meant to lead you to is a lie and a misrepresentation

of facts so I got this and I just was like I'm not feeling it yeah got one thing that's like okay that's important yeah and it'll probably be something you hear about moving forward as more countries roll out of a sure sure sure but I was like I don't want to I don't want to I don't care I don't want to listen to half an hour of alex rambling about how great he is and then yeah I started to think about it this weekend alex is supposed to go down to DC yeah he's supposed to go move to DC sure and that means I got to write a song about yeah that is true that is true you've got some work to do so I felt like Monday follow-ups don't equal the original Monday we've got to get into like alex going to DC and all that stuff yeah we'll have a little

better idea of what happened with that protest we have a responsibility right so I was thinking we have a responsibility to do other things and maybe now is the best time we're not going to do rogan are we would you take DMT with Joe Biden 100% god damn it oh shit so we're going to cover the time that last week I think maybe uh yeah just recently Joe rogan showed up in alex's studio in austin and they did a four hour interview which I regretfully I have I have just one thing to say I just one thing to say about the vaccine shit which is that I I mean just to take one quick step back it is amazing to me that they can turn six dead in this trial into a terrifying thing whenever like it went we went from a brand new disease to a vaccine in a year and a half that's a

fucking miracle it's a it's a year and a half yeah it's a miracle to have done that like not since what but like what like they did it one time faster in like the 1950s like it's a crazy miracle yeah and they're just like oh six dead like wait a hundred years ago they would be like this is the demon they like this is incredible yeah and I didn't read that entire FDA document I was looking over the section about the severe and non-severe uh adverse events and a lot of it didn't see it like you know they have to report everything sure and so like there's like stats for number of people who had like uh a rash yeah exactly or like pain in the sight of vaccination yeah yeah yeah it's like all right that all that information is there yeah you know it's there um

anyway I agree I agree yeah but uh we have issues we have issues to deal with oh great I want to be a globalist how do I get in god damn so we're really doing this huh yeah we're really gonna listen to Joe Rogan talk shit about people infinitely smarter than I'm gonna say this ahead of time oh I tried to steer away from conversation about how fucked up they are yes because I think that's kind of boring and it's not really all that like I would if I were in a studio with Joe Rogan I probably would be fucked up too yeah and it's kind of low hanging fruit a little bit and it would become tiresome I think we just put a disclaimer up top these guys are fucked up yeah yeah exactly we know yeah and and I think that other like other people living their

lives I don't think there's anything wrong with being fucked up no I do think that there's something probably wrong about Alex presenting himself the way he does and then being super fucked up with Rogan and talking nonsense yeah whatever I don't really care that much yeah I'm not a square whatever anyway I I'm look it's not as good as uh when he Alex was on Rogan of course not because Alex isn't really trying to impress exactly um as much as he is just trying to like solidify the bond between the two of them yeah and uh try and get whatever he can out of it but there is still a number of things that I think are important teachable moments sure I mean Rogan in Alex's studio isn't fun because at the like they're on more of an equal footing like not in any equal footing but

Alex doesn't have to supplicate himself quite as much because when he goes in the oh no yeah oh no he really oh what a what do we start what a why how dare you say you're an alpha why don't why don't we start and uh listen to this alpha evil wars the most banned network in the world well I gotta tell you I get bigger goose bumps with this guy on the air the one I've had Donald Trump on and then movie stars no no seriously I've known you for 22 years and you're a fun really smart amazing guy and you've put up a lot of my crap and he's the number one not just podcaster but talk show host in the world Joe Rogan my fellow Texan Alex Jones thanks for having me supplication oh boy right out of the game

oh boy did he learn that from steve apes that level of uh up sequence yeah it must have rubbed off over the years you just learn how to compliment people if you get your balls rubbed by steve apes enough so there's a there's a constant consistent thing throughout this interview where Alex seems to want to hit a couple of points pretty hard yeah one of them is why did you move from LA sure why like how is Spotify tell me tell me everybody in LA is evil tell me Spotify is a great company to work with and they might be willing to pay me yeah can you smooth things that was me and Spotify hey they let me on the your show on Spotify maybe they'll let my show on Spotify yeah and you know just a couple of other like pointed things run throughout and so the

Alex starts off with hey man why'd you leave LA I really love Texas for so long and I always was attached to LA because the comedy store because of business and just doing stand-up there and podcast there but once they locked everything down this was the logical place for me to move and for me it felt like I had a nice excuse to move here and just like I had thought about moving here for a long time but it didn't seem feasible and then as soon as the lockdowns happened and then the riots and the looting and I was like I gotta get the fuck out of LA I don't believe that for a second uh-uh it's almost certainly tax related yep the hundred million I just got a hundred million dollars and LA charges me a lot of money it turns out and I understand that you

know Joe would perform in LA and and shit but like I don't think he lived in the city I don't think he he lived anywhere where let's say protests were no no there are so many looters and writers outside of Joe Rogan's neighborhood recent hundred millionaire I don't know Rogan's I just don't buy it I find this brings artificial and false but it is probably about the best thing you could do as opposed to saying like I'm fucking loaded now yeah I don't need them anymore I used to be rich now I'm comically rich yeah I could be comically rich anywhere I want and it just so happens that Texas is the state where I can stay the most comically rich I mean he was either Texas or moved to Miami and I don't think he's going to Miami yeah so Alex also in with his sort of Steve

Pechenik-esque buttering he's constantly asking Joe like why what's it like to be the most famous person in the world you were so successful early on in your career all this stuff what's it like having the biggest dick anyone's ever seen right Joe Rogan what is it like more or less someone's said once a friend of mine said that I'm the bridge between the meat heads and the potheads okay I like to look at it that way well that was kind of my next angle my next question I mean you've been doing podcasting over 10 years right it's yeah yeah 2009 so it's almost 11 years it'd be 11 years in December and it was big right away I mean I mean you've been big but right away you've probably been no no no it wasn't big at all in the beginning like literally no one was watching

it was a it's part of the comedy show we were watching we were watching Joe oh my god oh my god little brother vibes this isn't the fucking today show good god oh yeah I'll tell you you were successful early on despite your yeah let me tell you about your experience I know it better I was watching yeah I was here so four minutes in to this interview four minutes they've had some pleasant trees and it's like all just kind of like oh yeah you're so great it's so great to have you here awesome they start smoking weed four minutes in on air let's go back to that that was my first question how did you develop your worth at ethic and drive because I have some great tobacco absolutely I'll take a pop wall I'd be gay if I smoke your tobacco you can try to smoke your tobacco what do you

just say so they get there's smoking weed and there was a meme that went around or like a video that someone put together from the last time Alex was on rogan and they spliced together things to make it sound like Alex wanted to have sex with Joe oh and sort of it went around on twitter and stuff oh and so Alex is constantly leaning into that sure sure hoping that someone else makes a video right right it's really desperate and very pathetic right yeah it's obnoxious he's he's just outrageously desperate to get a meme yeah I think that's what he wants more than even having Joe on is like somebody in Joe's audience will make something that'll go viral yeah that's that's kind of the goal I'm looking for 20 000 likes on something yeah and if you got to make fun of

me you got to make fun of me hey well see that's why people have really embraced me because I love being made fun of yes I don't get folks that don't like it I love it no you you get a kick out of it there's a show he would love that if Alex likes making me make fun of I have a podcast to recommend to him call fucking knowledge fight I kind of don't I don't think he's very serious when no I kind of think that he has very thin skin maybe I think he has a hair trigger as well I think he might react negatively when he receives any criticism whatsoever yeah that could be well I could be wrong though maybe he's an avid fan no he does not like being made fun of but he likes to say that he likes being made fun of well it makes him look cool he kind of likes being made fun of

in ways that are profitable to him though like so if someone makes a meme that's poking fun at him and he gets a ton of people and a ton of attention and his name is all over the place then he'll take it he'll I'll accept being made fun of for profit right right I will I will accept payment to be in the dunk tank yes but I will not do it for fun yeah yeah yeah he's a sad clown yes in many ways but you know who's not Joe Rogan Joe Rogan is the most famous little bit of a sad he's the most famous person in the world he is the Walter Cronkite of our times oh god no when did you realize that you were in the zeitgeist because you were already in the zeitgeist of hit tv shows and UFC and you know big movies and you know the national champion type one though

I mean you've had success since day one you had to fight hard for it but when did you realize oh my god I'm like a real superstar not of some just empty movie or an empty actor that reads off a teleprompter a script you get to be your own self and be the biggest that's that's that's very rare the tobacco is kicking in I I don't know if I ever realized it I'm not sure if I still realize it come on you got it like like what cuz I mean I'm pretty super famous too one of the reasons why I like pot is it makes me think about much more interesting things so like but I kind of respect that answer because it's a it's a really embarrassing question it is and for Joe as like a person like the graceful dignified way to respond to that is I don't think about that

too much yeah yeah yeah because to imagine that you do think about it is is gross yeah yeah yeah um Joe I have a quick question how often and uh strenuously do you sniff your own farts and believe them to be amazing could you just tell me real quick your farts don't stink obviously sir obviously when did you first notice well I mean like what other answer could he give that doesn't make him look like a shithead I'm the fucking greatest well I think it was about July 2014 that I realized that I was the king of the world it was at the what is it the great pothead meat head summit of 2016 yeah whatever I brought them together yeah no one thought that I could reach detente between the two but much like Steve Pachanik solving all the world conflicts I solved the

meathead jock uh pothead uh conflict it turns out everybody likes doing nothing sometimes so Alex tried to destroy Joe when Joe said that he couldn't be on his show um so as this goes yeah a couple times back when Alex was on he lied to Joe's face about Sandy Hook he did do that yes yeah and apparently Joe found out about this and it was right around when a lot of attention was going on with the Sandy Hook suit might have been around the time Alex threatened to murder the opposing council or uh I'm sorry put out a million dollar hit wow what's a what's a million dollars between friends sure yeah so Joe said that Alex couldn't be on his show for the time being until that was resolved and Alex said that Joe was a sneaky snake he threatened to destroy him

started talking about his children on there yeah he didn't threaten to kill his kids but he was talking about them in a way that is very inappropriate not happy for public discussion no um now Alex kind of wants to say sorry about all that sure well I'm gonna meet a couple of some before you get into the hardcore issues here with you tonight we appreciate you being here Joe and that's that I've kind of gotten whacked out under all the pressure all the attacks the opposite we've been over this so many times the opposite of fame though it's like being the villain is is you almost start becoming the villain but I just want to say the way you helped me I wrote that was a big help well we just need to talk you and I've been friends for a long time and I think

that's it's just a it's really a microcosm of what is happening online with people because they're not talking to each other no it's not it is not a microcosm of what's going on with social media no no not communicating with each other it's very much a case of Alex trying to ride your coattails this is something this is one of those things where I I remember this quote from Sinbad and I will till a day I die the sailor or the comedian uh uh the comedian okay um uh comics are funnier when they ride the bus just that like simple like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about you hundred millionaire dumbass yeah what are you talking about what's going on online right now yeah your experience is stupid yeah sure and uh like Joe

I don't know what the fuck he thinks Alex does for a living like I don't I don't know does he not know what Alex's show is about he's never imagined he doesn't have the time does he imagine that Alex is talking about like real conspiracies still yeah totally because I he can't possibly know the horrible things Alex said about him for days yeah it's quite a bit it's not just they needed to talk Alex was turning their fight into content yeah but he was monetizing fighting between the two of them yeah if you were Joe's friend wouldn't you be like hey I I saw I know you probably don't have time to see him for us but I saw this online and it's this whole long series of things that Joe said or that Alex said directly about you yeah you should watch this and remember it forever

let's say that you're a friend of mine and we have a falling out and like maybe you're a high profile person too mm-hmm I wouldn't have the instinct to threaten to destroy you for attention yeah on air yeah that's kind of uh like that's a bad person yeah if I started my own show like we have a falling out and I start my own show and then all of a sudden you just start going on I'm going to kill Jordan Rantz one your show would become far more popular sneaky snake Jordan and two I would be very offended Dan yeah that would hurt my feelings it's nonsense oh we just needed to talk yeah anyway Alex carries on this charade that like he actually knows anything about what he's talking about and in this clip we kind of get the first uh real meaty thing that I think happens

and that is like a full demonstration of why Joe Rogan cannot do the things he's doing when I get into issues when I'm being serious I mean I'm yeah because you can differ on my interpretation but if I'm saying I've got a clip or I've got something I've got well that's why I wanted to clarify the podcast really clearly and I think we accomplished you did a great job by the way I felt terrible that night you pat him in the back you said this will be the best one you just got proven right I'm surprised almost everything you said was accurate I thought I feel there's been mistake and and and you were damn right my buddy Pat Raleigh was there he said that was your best podcast with Joe ever I went home depressed this is why Joe is not equipped to do the job that he's

assigned for himself Joe didn't fact check Alex but he gave just enough of the appearance of doing so to rationalize continuing his association with him Joe could have and should have completely destroyed Alex's career on that podcast but he didn't have the ammo that he needed to take that shot and because he didn't now that podcast gets to be pointed to as a time when Alex's beliefs were really put to the test and he was found to be correct yep it's just a pathetic display from all parties and I find it difficult to imagine that Joe doesn't have some awareness of what he's doing and here's what makes me the most convinced of that on that last podcast that they did Alex presented Joe with information that he was previously unaware of the Rockefeller Foundation

had a public plan called Operation Lockstep that is identical to the current COVID-19 response according to Alex everything that's happening now was planned 10 years ago by these evil globalists and the documents are easily accessible to prove it I do not believe that a sincere person would not finish the podcast and then immediately or at their first opportunity check that claim Alex can either be right or wrong if he's wrong your friend is a liar and he's using your platform to spread misinformation that's going to get people killed and you're complicit in it if he's right there's a very easily provable conspiracy to kill off the population using the illusion of an outbreak and it seems like knowing that for certain would be pretty important the only

thing that really makes sense here is if Joe is treating Alex like Eddie Bravo it's fun to talk to him about the crazy bullshit he believes but there's literally no reason to take any of it seriously or think about it for a second outside of his presence Joe's not going to dig into whether the earth is flat after hanging out with Eddie and he's not going to research the fake Operation Lockstep after hanging out with Alex because he takes them equally seriously Joe probably thinks that what he's doing is fine and innocent enough but he's doing a lot of damage and doing a bad job while pretending to fact check Alex yeah if you just want to shoot the shit with your friend fine once you step into the game of like validating his conspiracies and pretending that you're doing

some kind of rigor or due diligence on this you're giving Alex all the carte blanche to your audience that he needs you're basically selling your audience to him yeah you can't I'd like the first sentence he said is just like we can differ on interpretation and it's like you on some things you can but there are things that are or are not it's not everything is not differable on interpretation and then second you always have the documents why why would you say that why would you say he always has the documents well because it's a joke oh yeah I hate it yeah no it's it's uh sad that's pathetic so Alex has a gift for Joe not only the gift of ass kissery and nonsense he also has a physical gift okay you've given me a lot of great UFC tickets been really nice to me for

20 plus years and I've never really gotten you anything and I've seen people give you gifts on the show usually some pr thing that they're selling I don't know any stock in this it's a it's a great rifle I really enjoy it and so this is something where you can go get four or five grizzly bears that's so texas grizzly bears the same time what are these rounds uh I'm gonna guys bring the rifle in here so this is your gift along with that box of cigars thank you very much so I got them cigars and uh rifle like uh it's just like a parody of masculinity yeah yeah that's really that's really bad that would be a little bit too on the nose in a movie I would be like okay guys we get it they're supposedly men your bros yeah yeah all right yeah this is a man cave I got you all right

here's where it gets even I'll let back here's where it gets even worse now remember it there's smoking weed and drinking booze and drinking booze and he is just gifted Joe a rifle right and then Alex says this it's really wild when you pick up the rival and try it out a little bit let me don't shoot it try it out you know what I mean just check it out let's just put it away I know what a rifle is I got a bunch of them all right how texas is this that is the right response yeah that's a good response I was very I was very afraid because generally whatever info wars hey pick up that rifle is a of course I'll pick up that rifle Alex Jones the pinnacle of gun safety just the guy who loves the second amendment and responsible gun ownership hey we're stoned don't

shoot it don't shoot it hey why don't you test out that rifle test it out give it a go give it a go inside don't shoot it though just swing it around wow pointed at your friends so they they get to talking about uh like uh uh sort of meds and medication and um uh Joe knows some people who have mixed drugs with meds and it's had a bad response uh oh some side effects there's different people with different side effects you know and and some people are speaking with things and cocaine you know there's a lot of people that say that mixing it with cocaine turns you psychotic and or a lot of people do it it's terrible for you they say don't drink on this people yeah okay and they drink on it right the problem isn't the meds though yeah it's a poke

yeah yeah that's the one it's the it's the inverse of what you think is yeah I can't do my coke on these meds no you're sir sir let me back you up one step that is what he seems to be saying it does kind of seem to be that well I can't stop doing coke I've been free basin for 10 years now and just because you want me to take this med oh my cholesterol is high yeah fuck you mixing booze and xanax is uh really dangerous so people who are on xanax who actually use it as prescribed it's a little bit like he's saying no I'm on booze I'm taking xanax okay that's that's my recreation it's very strange also very strange to hear that uh Joe's position on marijuana is evolving a little bit and I think that's probably good because I think from everything I could tell there is a little

bit of a cartoonish uh pro marijuana cartoonish carte blanche of like permissiveness to yeah it's all good nothing bad can never come of yeah I think that was kind of a position he may have presented earlier on it's not addictive and you blow the smoke in your four-year-old's face it's good stuff move on he's now evolved a little bit into a position where it seems like he is is aware that sometimes it can have negative outcomes you know I've been more and more open over the last few years especially to recognizing that pot's not always safe and I don't think it's a good idea to tell everybody it's always safe well they made it so strong that it's definitely been connected to increases in schizophrenia I don't know if it's from the uh a potency perspective I think

maybe it's always happened and we just didn't recognize it because it wasn't legal I know two people personally who were normal and started smoking a lot of pot and went crazy I do as well including edibles I know people who have them worked here one of them started thinking that everyone was reptiles wait that's David Ike's thing he weren't gonna say that I got bad news for you if those people worked it in for us previously they weren't normal they weren't starting from a like really grounded place and then they started smoking weed and I just like they started listening to me yeah yeah because the sign that this person had lost it is that they thought everyone was reptiles when in reality everyone is the interdimensional demons duh what are you

what are you what are you high that's the difference between mental health losing it is do you think people are reptiles or do you think they're interdimensional demons you know what I don't I don't understand why people would listen to this I don't understand why people would listen to two people have the same dumb thoughts you could already have at home oh you know no totally like like this is terrible like I have thoughts that you can think of at home but it's interesting because you have knowledge and research and shit well not we're both just being like hey I have remembered the content of this thing that I might have read one of the reasons I ultimately decided to do this episode was because I'm looking forward to Monday and we have the the trip to DC

sure for the episode on Monday sure I don't know when we'll have time to get to the Rogan episode if not now of course and then the other more motivating factor was that it is something that people are curious about people are curious about like what a four hour fucking episode unreal and no one should have to listen to that no one it's so long it's mean there were long stretches where I was listening to this and I'm just like I don't care I don't care no because because there are parts that are just like okay this is just a stupid conversation it's not really relevant yeah it's it's not that entertaining just talking about like a fun time you all had or something like Joe Rogan does like 10 minutes about how great Joey Diaz is as a comedian he is

great whatever if I wanted that I'd listen to Rogan's podcast yes just like there's so much there's like skip and so I'll save people the time I'll listen to it for you thank you and we can just listen to the parts that are interesting like finding out that two of Alex so there's gonna be a shorter show got into the grass of course and then they lost their minds right um also Alex thinks that he's interviewing Joe kind of uh-huh but the tables turn uh-oh I talk about interdimensional things that's what the globalists believe in have you ever had an interdimensional experience here we go well I'm interviewing Joe Rogan today why are we interviewing each other man no no no no no we're not I just want to get all the cool stuff out let's just talk okay I'll tell

you um so he did not want to answer that question he wanted to dodge that if you ever had an interdimensional experience explain to me how that question can blow you away if it's like interment I talk about interdimensional stuff of course that's what the globalists believe have you ever had one because if I say yes then I would have to admit that I also believe in that shit and that's kind of probably gonna sound bad and it sounds silly for me to say that's what the globalists believe if I've experienced it and I know it's real exactly it kind of makes me look like an idiot but then if I say no then the globalists are just a bunch of yeah weirdos who have beliefs that aren't true yep what kind of power is there in that it's not a lot yeah kind

of a trap okay so alex doesn't really answer but then he does he does say this exactly I don't want to make this about me but I can actually shift into a psychic uh awareness a psychic awareness but the higher level how well do you think you do at rock paper scissors uh you know we can joke about that probably pretty good they do not test this they do not test this although I wish they did why wouldn't you immediately be like okay rock papers is it yeah you better win every time exactly I'll give you a minute to shift into your psychic state and then you better win or don't at least you're full of shit that is huge uh you I don't have to do any voices vibe out of this guy yes yeah I I can I don't know about interdimensional experiences but I can shift

into a psychic what wouldn't that be an interdimensional experience maybe I would hope so anyway alex has a good example of when he has done this in the past okay no but I I know how to you know let's just say I wouldn't call it the exaggeration it'd be accelerated to the next power where they claim it's like astral projection or remote viewing right but but I can't control it had a lot of dreams that come exactly true later and I've called a lot of things like two months for 911 I said they're gonna blow up the World Trade Center and blah blah blah blah what people said how did you know how to dream about it kept having a recurring dream what yeah did you talk about this on there yeah there's videos over here no yeah so I can't really control it holy shit so that's

amazing but that's only one data point it's not amazing no it's not we've talked about we did all I think a whole episode about why it's not a whole episode but like that's that that's just one piece of data what if you had a second dream that came okay kept having this recurring dream of a guy in a pink and green striped sweater mm-hmm when I walk around the side of a building attacking me with like a club Bill Gates and was he wearing one of those Mr. Roger sweaters and we used to drive into town it was like 15 but with older kids to get alcohol get to drive into downtown Dallas to get alcohol and weed we go to like little crack houses but we're buying weed at them and then I was going around the side of one of these buildings and it was a white crackhead and he tried to attack me and

I'd had the exact dream a whole bunch of times and missed when he tried to club me in the head so it was like it was like it was like my psychic understanding to get past that point happened like two months later I kept having the dream of this guy and I'm all of a sudden walking around the side of this house to buy some weed I wasn't having a big weed guy but we're driving out to get for girls and this guy tries to club me in the head a crackhead and it's the same guy from the dream Jesus Christ you have those dreams so you've had two of those two big ones you've had a lot of other ones yeah a lot of them wow these are the two examples that he uses though holy so I guess maybe that was like he'd seen Nightmare on Elm Street I guess like that's so

that's so bullshit fuck don't I have one rule don't ever tell anybody about your dreams unless it's a sex dream with someone interesting no one else no one cares about anything else yeah I'm positive that I could come up with some stories uh of dreams I had that I could make match things that happened yeah yeah I anybody you can fudge the details because it's a dream right you don't perfectly remember it can you prove any of this fuck off yeah yeah so uh this is Alex gets back to the 9-11 prediction and he says something that I actually think is a real problem well there was a two-hour thing I did it in in July 25th 2001 I went ahead and went on errands they're gonna blow up the World Trade Center blame on the CIS had been lied and then launched all these wars and and I

said oh I just got this from analysis and information but I kept having the dream of the tower smoking all the rest of it so what I what I want to point out and take issue with here is that Alex admits that he lied about what the information source was yeah he is saying I said that it was based on analysis but really it was the product of a prophetic dream that I had right because he knew in 2000 that he could not say I had a dream about this that would be very very silly and I would suggest that if this is all true and Alex is being he's reporting this accurately then what happened was he was listening to a ton of Bill Cooper and uh Patriot ass radio back then and at that point in time it seeped into his subconscious Bill Cooper was saying very similar

things and that's why he was dreaming about it yeah that's and you combine that with the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center the feelings uh like bin Laden was somebody who was known at the time well and he did say he was going to bomb the World Trade Center there's that he was very explicit about it too like a long time in advance right so like Alex's dreams about this are more likely the product of influences that he had sure and then he got on air and pretended that he was some kind of expert had some analysis and that's kind of a microcosm of his career yeah pretending that he has information that he's just coming up without of his fantasies yeah I would say that what he's done is invalidate any time he's ever said that he predicted 9-11 as being like a result of

work yeah so at best you had a dream you had a dream right so then I will so then if you could your entire career is based on a lie unless you are selling yourself as a pure psychic who can predict things as opposed to analyze them and it calls into question other times that he said he's analyzed things or he has information is he actually just lying about some sort of a dream yeah like how seriously should you take any information that he provides if he was willing to pass off a prediction about a terrorist attack as an analysis when it was actually a dream well he did say Chicago was going to be nuked how are we doing we're fine oh I might have had a dream oh shit we might still be fucked but he had a dream yeah that sounds about right so look this is

an interview mm-hmm they're gonna get down to the nitty gritty they're gonna get down and find out what the truth is unless Joe doesn't want to have an interview okay so what got you in the comedy oh Alex this is so forced what got me into comedy it is not forced it is still you're asking me questions like we're doing an interview no I'm because because I actually but we're I can talk plenty look out no I didn't write these but you don't have to follow those if you were a magically made ruler of the world oh jeez what are three things you would do to change the world as it is Alex Jones never does this I'm being different I understand I don't think the two of them want to are the working on the exact same page here I think no Alex Alex

is kind of wanting to get something again Joe just wants to have a conversation it's Joe funny anymore he's charismatic yeah I mean I thought I would I would expect he would go for a joke every now and again I think he comes off pretty well okay at least all right okay I think he says a number of really stupid things sure but at the same time like I you know watching this I was thinking like I could probably hang out with Rogan wow I could probably get along with him as long as we didn't get into these sorts of topics sure sure sure I think it might be fun and as long as it wasn't like a show I mean I wouldn't want to do like I wouldn't want to be on his show yeah yeah just hanging out socially having a conversation I think he could probably probably be a lot of fun

I mean we've definitely hung out and had social conversations in green rooms with far worse people no totally and the way that he's he's able to like Alex you're forcing it why asking a question when did I get into comedy right like yeah that that is that's an indication at least on some level that he's willing to have you know conversation that's not that's true boring that's true so but in terms of him being funny I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure okay um so but Alex thinks he's funny how about this kill fucker fight oh bill gates well I don't want to kill him so you're gonna fuck him and uh I don't want to fight him I don't want to hurt him it'd probably be the like the most gentle if I fuck him right if we don't fight to keep him alive no that's rude

that and then you're just making a mockery of it so you want a personal momma with bill gates I I you know I'm trying to feed the memes right now so desperate so desperate to try and get a meme going that's really bad yeah that's kind of heart wrenching honestly yeah it's it's uh cringy it's very cringy yeah especially since he's he's trying to it seems like he's getting so much mileage out of just saying fuck just like kill fuck fight like you know you want him to say that it's like it's like a family feud question we're like you want grandma to say tits we know it yeah there's a little bit of a problem too in that like Joe doesn't seem to hate bill gates whereas Alex claims to know that he runs the world and wants to kill everyone sure there's Alex doesn't challenge

Joe on his non-hatred of bill gates which seems weird considering everything Alex says about bill gates all the time but I would have said you know he's one of the 12 yeah wouldn't you have said that maybe maybe he's a middle management who knows he could be middle management that's true uh when when Alex was on Joe's podcast last it was a disgraceful uh showing um there were uh just tons and tons of things that were factually inaccurate uh emotionally inaccurate and manipulative at the very least yes and uh you know we did our episode about it and if anybody's interested they can find cataloging of them there but Joe seems to think that people were desperate to find something that Alex was wrong about let's go ahead and play it's bill gates

himself saying that the vaccine made 80% of the people ill which is exactly what you said on the podcast and people were complaining and they were they were angry they were trying to find something that you said that was wrong it was so hard because we basically checked everything you said and all of it proved to be accurate so then we got to this part where you said 80% of the people that took the vaccine got sick and people were like he's spreading anti-vaccine conspiracy theories so I said okay listen here's the video we're not desperate to find things that Alex is wrong about it was not a struggle really no no it's kind of a google search honestly kind of exhausting it's a bit of a google search it was an exhausting cataloging of things that he was wrong about that

took for fucking ever um but Joe I don't understand how he can possibly not recognize that Alex was lying like that project lockstep operation lockstep thing is like so glaring that he should never talk to Alex ever again but he seems to think that everybody was so desperate to find one the thing one place where Alex didn't dot his eye or cross his t see this this is a struggle because it does seem like he doesn't take Alex seriously so how can you also say that you know that's the conflict that I have like he doesn't take this information seriously yeah obviously so how can you say that it's proven and then not react to it really like it's a an issue how can you go out of your way to rationalize Alex and sell him to your audience while at the same time not taking a step

and seeing if his fucking conspiracy about the plan to destroy everyone in the present yeah using COVID-19 has any credence to it how could you be that not curious if you're willing to vouch for him how could you believe that that stuff has been proven and not use five of your hundred million dollars to do something about it you're he's if you believe what Alex is saying then the elites are killing all of us murdering us all and you have a hundred million dollars you should buy info you could do something about it how do you not make that just uh i'm just a regular old guy just being trampled down into the bloat of the machines yeah fuck you well i don't i don't know uh what his answer to that would be and i don't i don't understand how he can have this completely bizarre

relationship with uh with alex yeah it's weird it doesn't make any sense no but i think one of the ways that he's able to play it publicly is to be like yeah everyone's just mad about things that you say because you're saying them they're too attached to the messenger sure people get trapped into the messenger they get trapped into the messenger instead of listening to the information a fucking moron might have something important to say you never know when someone is an idiot not you but if someone's an idiot at most things and they come to you with one fact someone could be a fucking liar all the time but then they come to you with one fact that they saw on tv and you're like get the fuck out of here that's where crying wolf comes from right absolutely everybody knows that a couple

of did you learn the wrong lesson from the very story you just referenced yeah the lesson supposed to be like in that story is that when you cry wolf a bunch of times and there is no wolf people will not believe you when you cry wolf and there is a wolf the lesson of that story isn't that the people who stop believing someone who constantly lied about there being a wolf were wrong to not believe him the last time that's a completely bizarre interpretation of that story the takeaway is supposed to be that if you're a liar and the lies you're telling affect other people you can cause serious damage to people with your lies because the time you're telling the truth about a threat they might not believe you uh-huh alex is kind of the boy who cried wolf except in his version

there still isn't a wolf at the end he's just continuing to lie and the boy is getting rich selling anti-wolf pills to a particularly gullible set of people in town yeah there's an issue there also this is a critically important point joe is saying that people cannot hear the things alex says and evaluate them on their merits because they're caught up in the messenger they hate alex and so he must be wrong about everything this is exactly the problem with how joe engages with alex just in the reverse it's joe who's completely caught up on the messenger and refuses to accept the possibility that alex is a malignant narcissist who is not his friend i hate alex jones more than most people and i can easily separate my feelings about how repulsive he is from whether or not

specific claims he makes are based in reality it's not a difficult exercise because i care because i believe that there's a reason that this matters for all joe's talk about ideas and good ideas beating bad ideas he doesn't think any of this shit he's talking about matters he's trapped by the illusion in his head that he's created where alex is a good guy who means well which he only believes because the two of them have gotten fucked up together a couple times and said offensive things to each other which is bonding i guess and alex gave him a rifle cigars too i challenge joe to take his own advice and separate the messenger from the message start with operation lockstep and go from there and consider the possibility that this person you insist is your friend is actually a

dangerous liar yeah i i mean to your point yeah okay joe then do you watch like the other conservative news networks whenever they say all that bullshit do you go well obviously i must believe them because it's true that's the only because they're not the no that's that's so fucked up he's absolutely tied to the to just i will defend alex no matter what yeah yeah yeah it's it's it sucks well i mean it kind of sucks but it also is really gaslighty to say people who yeah like disagree can't possibly have substance based reasons for disagreeing we just hate alex it's all about it's all about your feelings it's always it's he's creating this archetype of like all criticism is coming from sjw snowflakes who are all mad because alex jones is too manly or

something sure and then like it that's so boring you're you're like trafficking in this like fetishization of ideas and that's the idea you have well what it is we've done 500 something episodes of this podcast about substance yeah that's wrong with alex jones yeah it's not i don't i'm not just mad at him yeah we would have stopped a long time ago i was just mad at him yeah it's such bullshit joe it's it's just like with alex's fears of and then being like on the other side and he wants those things to happen it's what he's afraid of is the things that he desires in the same way joe is what he's really expressing is i react to things based on how i feel so i assume that others react to things based on how they feel i can't imagine them breaking free of the the mold that i exist in

because obviously if i have a hundred million dollars the things i think are important they're not just feelings that i have or fucking fake prophetic ass dreams that i have that must be where their criticism comes from as well yeah and i mean joe even gets into uh this kind of thing a little bit later here i'll i'll even uh go to this i'll jump forward a little bit because it's really relevant i'll go to this clip here um because he's talking about like how people shape their ideas and i think that this might be how he has right or it feels like projecting this is the thing it's like i go you're allowed to have other ideas but the whole idea of who you are and what life is is mostly shaped by what you think is going to give you the least resistance

from the people that are around you but that's what liberals always liked was the fact that they were open and free and believed in speech and even though i didn't disagree agree with them on some points they agree with my overall freedom i'm so high i don't even know what i just said you said something really smart i agree i'm not a bullshitter so i know that joe's discounting his own point because he's all high and shit but the the presumption that you mold your identity by that which ideas these ideas that will cause the least tension with the people around you that's not how everyone lives no that's not a universal experience a lot of times your personality is formed by conflict it's formed by tension with groups that you don't fit in with

having to find new people that you get along with better because you know like it that's that's nonsensical yeah yeah i i can't handle this i get it there's ideas and you can look at things from a different way but we also have to exist in a world where some things are and some things are not everything is not open to interpretation no it just can't be otherwise we get places where it's like we think there's voter fraud so there was no things at there at a certain point something is or is not we can't live in a and no that's just how i interpret things like that's just not how we can share a universe yeah yeah it's hard yeah but i will say that they're modeling it for us with alex and joe that's why it's so shitty they're two completely different people and

they're getting along they voted for different people did you know the rogan didn't vote for uh trump what listen i voted for joe jorgensen i voted for the libertarian because i think uh we should probably at least i you know i'm voting out of california so i'm like we should support third party candidates because that's one of the solutions i'd love to grill him on jorgensen's position oh my god i would love i want to slap him so bad i kind of how fucking dare you i mean i guess it doesn't really matter since it's california yeah i i would love to see how much he knows about joe jorgensen totally that's just some fake ass like i'm so i look i don't agree with what trump does and i don't like the way he does it but listen

i can't support the democrats because i'm an iconoclast i'm joe fucking rogan you don't know shit i would have voted democrat if they got tosy gabber yeah right fuck off you fucking screw you so again i often feel like we're gonna get hit with the dmca complaint and have like copyright claims put on our episodes it's big in cyberpunk 2077 is that right people are saying that you you have to turn dmca music off otherwise the twitch will kick you off oh no you'll get kicked off but we're fine oh are we so again thanks for watching and back to this exclusive in-depth draw rogan interview which is free to air all you can reupload it you can clip it out you can make memes out of it it's all copyright free the alex show show and everything we do

and info wars dot com see this is the double-edged sword of his desperation for meming that is a little bit is that uh he has to give blanket permission to people like us to do this so i guess we're safe all right buddy yeah so that was from a little uh a commercial that alex inserted in of course of course of course he did why wouldn't he you gotta make money yeah i don't actually even remember what this is about this next clip i doubt they do either oh no now i remember so they are talking about joe's dog and how great this golden retriever is oh my god is alex gonna kill his dog on air i was worried about that the rifle is right the dog isn't there but they talk about a great joe's dog is and the dog smiles and loves joe and

alex gets mad because he starts thinking about how like you know some animal psychologists will say like what you think of as happiness in an animal isn't always happiness right smile on a dog isn't necessarily happiness right right is for humans alex gets kind of mad about this that is a microcosm of his relationship to animals is his relationship to people i don't understand why you don't think me you're all you're all nature none of its nurture well but but that's but then they say they are up here though they have souls they have minds they have decisions just you don't he's talking about like the elites of psychiatry yeah whatever and it's an ultimate they're in we're in the lower class elitism what existed before the germans and then in modern psychiatry

and psychology uh 200 years ago and so that's what i'm coming at here is it doesn't mean that the things they've created the little lists they've made aren't real human traits but it's really a cult a gill blocking us from the larger issue because your dog is magic your dog does have a soul it does have an energy it is smiling you are interfacing dogs are psychic buffers way more psychic than we are and so i'm saying is your dog is is the example of what humanity is to go towards instead of somebody like bill gates yeah we should be less like bill gates and more like rogan's dog jesus just it's meaningful it's meaningful stuff just scream out i don't want to learn that how dare they say something different than me well like i'm not threatened by someone

telling me that my cat smiling doesn't mean she's happy oh shit what is it what does it mean i'm not the next question i'm not threatened by the idea that her purring isn't always like showing love or happiness how can i make it better right and i also don't question the bond that we have like i'm not tied up in nope if a psychiatrist said that that cat doesn't feel everything you think it's feeling all the time that's because you don't have a soul i'm not invested in projecting my feelings onto my pet friend yeah i don't understand why people i don't know i don't care well i mean it's it's a thing so joe has been pretty shitty so far about the idea that people have valid criticism right about alex right and in this next clip i think this is like i really

resent this listen alex you got to think of what it's like to be a 23 year old kid who is friends with a bunch of other 23 year old kids that espouse a very rigid ideology and when someone deviates from this ideology ideology and says maybe the guy's not a bad guy maybe he had like a psychotic moment maybe he had a bad time maybe maybe he believed it because he's seen so much bullshit he's seen so many lies and maybe he went crazy because he's on his own and because nobody wants to stand up and say hey he's right about a lot of shit so he seemed like the the thing that he's saying is like psychotic is like saying that he hooked stuff yeah but like what joe is presenting is this idea that like the only people who are really critiquing alex

or 23 year olds who are socially uncomfortable with the fear that they have of saying hey maybe alex is right about something that's ridiculous yeah yeah that's very frustrating and and angering and almost suggests a sort of distance from what people really live that could only really come about through a hundred million dollars and it's straw man straw man techniques in terms of like this is why people have a problem with you it's because all their 23 year old friends are in a rigid and tifa ideology it's it's crazy how i'm not even going to mention that maybe uh people of color or women might have critiques of you it's actually 23 year old men who are scared of hurting their friends feelings yeah yeah yeah by saying fuck you alex has all those it's all those non alpha

men who aren't carrying a gun right now and smoking cigars and whining about how people don't respect everything that we believe without questioning us yeah like alphas do and the real problem is that alex got left out in the wilderness oh god that is the real that's the real problem even if you're wrong rather about some things i mean you're a human being and your perspective is valuable and one of the reasons why you were wrong about such things is because you're abandoned there were so many people that didn't want to hitch their car up to your train because they were scared they would get caught in the 911 conspiracy and the bohemian grove conspiracy and the fucking bill de berg conspiracy there was so many different things that led people down uncomfortable moments

and uncomfortable conversations they didn't want to be a part of it so they just left you alone and when people get abandoned by all of the other people around them that may possibly have an inkling that you're correct you start going fucking crazy yeah that look on your face was amazing i'm so fucking mad i'm so mad at that this okay okay fine i get it we've all seen goodwill hunting you know it's great to give the pep talk speech but you know that was that was fucking matt daemon as like a underappreciation this is like giving that same pep talk speech to john wane gasey and being like look a lot of people just don't understand why you're doing what you're doing man but they're just not ready to challenge themselves i i disagree here here's

what i think it would be like john wane gasey having killed all those people yes and then someone his friend being like look you know the problem was that you didn't have friends around you telling you not to dress up like a clown and kill people like joseph you were abandoned man that was the issue yeah you didn't have people around you telling you not to report on saying he looked like that even though we have uh i don't know a deposition of paul joseph watson saying i told him not to do this there was that yeah this there was that this is some bullshit we were trying to make it not alex's fault that he's done every bad thing he's done in his career every ridiculous these are the people who bitch about participation trophies for doing this episode this is yeah this

is the most like hey look just because you failed a million times upwards to the tune of millions of dollars doesn't mean you're not still great it's participation trophies and personal responsibility and ideas like these people who i think that's all they keep repeating over and over and over again and here you have like alex it's not your fault people just left you people just people left you on your own and that's why you had to say that people were crisis actors who were grieving for their dead family members go fuck yourself i'm starting to think a lot of people's criticisms of uh entitled white men are right on yeah but i'm probably just a 23 year old is worried about the 23 year olds around me that it could be that you're right yeah so when you are hearing something

like alex saying that he's not using joe for exposure how do you how would you hear that like a punch to the face and here's the deal i'm not using you in this interview but you're so big and the system likes wants to watch what you're doing so i can get messages through when you're on the show so one of the things i wanted to say to the left is i don't know what about the left and the average left person left us cool um i hear alex say i'm not using you uh but i know that more people will listen because you're here as i'm saying i'm using you right now i don't understand how you could be friends with alex for this long without finding out his rhetorical trick of saying i'm not doing but and then doing the thing yeah because literally he does that every time alex's

son named his show i'm not bragging exactly i'm not doing this i'm not using you i'm doing this means i'm using you yeah every time reason that i then uh explain i don't hang out with him real life only on the context of this show occasionally yeah uh and i picked up on that real fast so i kept this clip in just because it's like i think it's kind of indicative of some stretches of this episode where it's like what i was talking about earlier it's like yeah this is boring yeah this is just them having a conversation that i don't care about but it goes on you ever have a kopey luat coffee no oh my god that's not even a real razor back though kopey luat coffee is coffee that comes from a civet so the civet eats the coffee of our crabs and shits them out and then people collect

them and clean them up and then sell them and it makes the best fucking coffee ever when you said if i tried it i've heard of it it's so good it's really good like it's it's a cat like a civet is kind of a cat it's like real close by the way do you have a photograph of a civet by the way do you have a rag doll cats all right yeah uh hold on let's look at a civet now i was trying to stalk you but but because i watched the show a lot today i'm going hey you've got rag doll cats tell joe you've got them so i didn't know you had right this week this weekend they're smart well they're really relaxed pretty blue eyes yeah there's your civet yeah so that animal shits out coffee beans and then it's super expensive it's called kopey luat i've heard of it yeah so is it really good

it's really good wow great i've i've been on road trip i've been on road trips with comics before yeah and there was one i will remember forever because the two people in the back just started having such a boring conversation while i was driving i drove so much faster just because their conversation was boring yeah that is the worst i would i would literally stop being friends with people who had that conversation yeah i was listening to that and i just sort of whoa there there was a couple points and that was one of them where i was just sort of like rubbing my temples like wow don't know what's going on here oh my god guys this this is what this is on purpose it's gonna stop the globe this is what's on purpose you can edit things well joel has a big

message that he wants to get across on this episode and that is that we need to get rid of tribalism and when he says tribalism he's talking about the idea of looking at everybody as teams like democrats republicans we need to get over that and start looking at each other as people who have ideas and look at the ideas that each other have and if i have a better idea than your idea then my idea will win and you will then have my idea all i hear is i would like people to stop criticizing rich white men maybe that could be it we are dealing with the remnants of a savage past where people kill people with stone axe tools and now we deal with chemtrails and vaccines ha slow down my point is we're connected with this idea that we have to absolutely have to

be in opposition with each other i don't think we gotta be grips or bloods that's done it's nonsense that's the weakness the weakness is not like flip-flopping or reconsidering your opinions the real weakness is the really thinking that people that are just marginally different from you in terms of the way they look at things that those people are your enemy we have to stop seeing each other as the enemy but that's what i want actually if we just talk do you know who you're talking to alex spends all of his time talking about how his imaginary enemies are like working for the literal devil yep like this is a fine point that he's making but it's farcical to be making it while sitting next to alex fucking jones like hey you know what you should do after this

you should ask him what he thinks about democrats what does he think about he thinks they're all demons he thinks that they're literally possessed by demons yep yep wow wow oh my god i mean sure it's a it's a it's a fine thought the alex alex does agree with him um that he would like that to be the perfect world and it can only come about in an all-white nation it seems like that's kind of the tribalism that i would like to christian yeah um male dominated on those tribalism parts that he kind of focuses on maybe those tribalism parts are the worst ones to start with we have to overcome it though as joe is is uh very repetitively pointing out thanks i think the the thing that is uh most difficult to overcome in our pursuit for the understanding of the reality of

the universe white male tribal behavior oh i was thinking that there's a team that's in opposition to you and your beliefs which are righteous and true and good but if i don't have tribalism somebody's gonna overtake me so i don't like tribalism it's a necessary evil like i don't want a government but i need a strong enough government that has limited government to protect me from tyrannical governments right i understand i think maybe the solution is an understanding of tribalism and then an agreement to never engage in it and when people do engage in it you should look at those people as being foolish i agree so we need a code of good versus bad yeah a positive versus sin not the christian cosmology of sin what is a sin against humanity i think lying i think being a

chicken shit uh i i think being a coward i think not yeah so what's evil alex i find you guilty of your own sins against humanity you know what i love to listen to two dumber people have a conversation that was famous for happening 2500 years ago well this is the this is the exact what are we doing this is the problem with so much like online based discourse and like the the whole uh the sort of the debates that happen like among people who are self-taught yeah like she knows guys a lot of the times you don't realize that these ideas that you think are so revolutionary are things you might encounter in your first year in college yeah like there is so much past these points that they're getting to where their

minds are blown but also i mean like i would take rogan like as a good faith actor here sure sure and i would say that okay now this is interesting okay now how would you achieve this there we go joe you are on the right track buddy now what does it mean for you to say that we should disincentivize people to act tribally and then if people do begin to act tribally we should look at them as fools yes what does that mean it means that how is society organized what we need to do is give people a fine for engaging in behavior with groups larger than a thousand wait so now we have to have a fine for being foolish for being a fool this is not enforceable in any way

and if you tried it would get so out of hand it would be absolutely used to crack down on vulnerable populations tried to band together but they don't think about that because they've never been the vulnerable population getting cracked down on but they do think that they are of course they do because they're conservatives who are so fucking shadow banned you know the reason i used to here's what i used to think uh that has just been blown away by this very conversation the reason i thought people who have spent their entire lives studying this type of thing having a conversation and that becoming popular the reason i thought the thing that blocked that for me i thought was that it would be too dry it would be too uh boring you

know but this conversation is more boring than anything i can think of yeah this is tragically boring and more people are going to watch that than two people who've spent their entire life studying these questions yeah i have i have um i don't know it's tough for me to say because i guess i'm not a normal person necessarily and i am you know 36 i'm on a different period of my life is maybe the target demographic of Joe Rogan sure but like 23 year old meatheads i suppose yeah well potheds who are afraid of uh yeah i think a lot of people think of like college lectures and like an academic conversation to be really boring but this is fucking boring this is incredibly boring yes and the difference is if you engage with the academic stuff you probably learn something

it's amazing you're not going to learn anything from this other than i think joe's a little bit disappointed in alex yeah because when when joe's talking about this need to overcome tribalism and alex is like i need my tribe to fight back against any other tribe i think there's a sense of joe being like you don't get it you don't get the higher level thing that i'm imagining yeah granted what he's imagining is a stupid fantastically that he has no idea how to attain you just can't see my flying pegasus world and it's disappointing to me yeah yeah um but despite all that disappointment i mean the two of them are friends and we can prove it like i'm like two years later we shot a video during the contested election making fun of the bushes well you and i dressed up i dressed up like

see i just talked about junior june you were senior yeah and i was in a wheelchair and we uh we went running around was the capital and we smoked a little weed allegedly every single time these two talk this story comes up wow which leads me to suspect that maybe there aren't that many memories yeah that kind of suggests maybe uh they got high and ran around the capital and masks you know i think that the basis like the stories for any friendship and that that you share should not be i guess you had to be their stories you know because this story is one where i'm like i i if maybe if i was there it would be funny but this is no i mean i've seen it they videotaped cool i've watched it it was still 20 years ago yeah yeah i mean like i i you've had experiences

like that with friends you can extrapolate like how much fun that must have been sure and it was like you know 99 2000 it's just you're free you know like it's such a different time we were just coming out of grunge maybe a few years yeah i just think it's kind of depressing yeah i've heard this on other podcasts too like uh people who only have one story yeah and every time this guest is on that story comes up it's just like yeah get a new story guys still live live stop talking and live yeah so in this next clip we get again another thing another instance of this mentality that alex has where he wants to be like rogan with this like yeah we need to get rid of all this tribalism stuff but i also need mine yeah well yeah i don't have a hundred million dollars and

this is this is alex expressing that like you know his nationalism is basically a cult yeah but he needs that cult well because he imagines that his enemies are also a cult well and so he needs his cult to fight their cult but yeah i'm creating my own enemy in order to destroy myself i don't understand what you don't understand and i'm creating my own enemy to justify really fucked up things that i want exactly we have to use our own nationalism which has failed and has problems and it's cultic but our cult's better than their cult humans organizing cults it's our nature i agree we should transcend it you're at that point joe i can see up on the mountain i get where you're going i'm just saying when you're in a crisis though it's like the lower brain it is the

nationalist cult a free market and money and family and god and guns and everything's going to counter the chai comes where man you work 18 hours a day if you complain your ass is dead because the global model is coming to china and uh all i'm saying is they're taking over so what do we do about that good response joe first of all whenever you're in a situation where you're coming to me for global advice we got real problems i think there's a humility in joe's responses i appreciate that you know like come on why the fuck are you asking me for a solution now unfortunately he does continue and give an idea of well i mean he can't not and he should have stopped it you shouldn't ask me because this is dumb but honestly i do look at it like when you

say like what what do we do about it if you could wave a magic wand you'd make them all do mushrooms all of them just all of them everybody anybody in a position of power anybody locked into an ideology anybody who believes nonsense anybody who believes things that they know aren't true i'll go clean but they'll fight for them do you know people that know that the things they believe aren't true how dare you they'll get angry you and how dare you there's a weird how fucking dare you that if more people took hallucinogens they would but but then some will go crazy some will go crazy yeah yeah some kids break their legs you see like an islamic leader you can tell they've never taken it what wow what wow what yeah no no muslims have ever

tripped or something this is i i mean this is embarrassing that's spectacular this is like joe rogan's like 50 no no no he or at least in his late 40s he did something but he's gotta do shrooms man he did something i never thought anyone could do which is he took the four ways to learn and really condensed it still further down one one way fungus mushrooms yeah all right all right so here's how we solve israel palestine he's gotta be like that's gotta be like a joke it's gotta be his brand yeah right i mean there's no way you could really no no he's just doing like i imagine if your job is to essentially be high all the time you know yeah you've got to lean into it you know i dub Benson didn't stop doing weed jokes just because he got to 50 plus

right you know i've done mushrooms and it is a fun experience you know and under the right circumstances sure i also know a lot of shitheads who've done a lot of mushrooms yes it doesn't it doesn't they are all for universal basic income dad i don't know if they are it does not solve anything it's not a miracle cure no it's not like oh if you're living in a contradiction you take mushrooms and straighten you out that's how it always works kind of hippy dippy bullshit is every story that i've ever heard about high lucid hallucinogenics has been oh man it straightened out my political philosophy that's what it did made sure all those inconsistencies i had in my head just went away resolved everything i what was the thing that i thought most on my trip was just like

a progressive tax policy does work as intended i expect this like in a bong circle with a guy totally coming out of the mouth of someone wearing like uh blown glass necklace on a hemp hemp braid you know like that's what i expect i don't expect this out of a hundred million there yeah yeah yeah who's almost 50 jeez have some dignity sir what he didn't get to be a hundred millionaire by having dignity or learning things he got to a hundred million by being a guy who took shrooms okay he said you gotta be wave a magic word did everybody in the world does shrooms especially the people who believe things that are true like the person i'm sitting right next to why do we always make the people most deserving of a slap to the face the most famous and rich

people available and good at martial arts yeah exactly so uh this next clip alex reveals that he's probably taken some hallucinogens he might have even done acid with joey ds watch out or he got dosed by joey ds and pissed his pants one way or the other what was it you have you invited me to in houston like eight nine years ago with joey ds didn't you guys allegedly do acid allegedly well what's that now let's go back joey ds that was another time joey ds hands me a cookie in houston i see you we ate mexican beef yes hey yeah he goes he just balked over and i couldn't get out of the chair so i'm sitting i'm watching the whole day i can't get out of the chair if you're up there announcing and i'm pissing my pants it's like i'm not pissing my pants my whole life

i swear to god did we go to dinner that night we did yeah i was like crawling around the ground and you couldn't imagine you're like how high do i get pillar of christianity destroyer of globalist yep the guy who got dosed by joey ds and pissed his pants at a ufc fight alex jones see now that's where i would like to be i want to see joey ds roast alex while he's tripping that would be hilarious i can't i can't provide that while he's tripping but there was a time like way back when joey ds came to info war studios with rogan i did not know that yeah we can cover that in a future episode like a good one i like a good ds it's really tough though because he's screaming at alex wow that sounds right it's something that i've always thought

about like yeah maybe we'll do that for an episode but i remember way back i tried to prepare it and it was just like holy shit this isn't coherent but maybe it'd be fun to go back now i like it uh i peed my pants alex is like i got a crazy time yeah i dosed alex with way too much dhc and he smells like piss this fucking guy this fucking guy wouldn't survive in prison anyway um in this next clip uh joe this is this is another instance where i take him to task i think that this is uh him revealing what his goals were with having alex on his podcast and i would say that this is not what he does one of the goals that and this is real one of the goals that i wanted to achieve is to have people consider that there's people that have wildly

different ideas that you do that may be good guys so there's maybe people that have ideas of you and i wanted them to consider that maybe that's a good guy and if you and alex were hanging out with me and eddie bravo and we were all in a room together we would be fucking laughing we would be laughing hard we'd be having a lot of fun we'd be it would be fun it'd be ridiculous and if you're not in that room it's easy to judge well guess what guess who's not in that room the millions of people who are watching yeah you're you're saying like oh yeah i just wanted to show that it's a fun experience to hang out with alex jones but meanwhile uh the people who are watching aren't gonna have that fun experience what they are going to see is me fumble and accidentally

validate all the lies that he's trying to disseminate yeah and hey man like i don't know i was paul pot a fun guy to drink with could you've done a podcast with him like i know that's probably an extreme example but like yeah okay yeah you can get along with people who are like gerbils yeah fun i don't know i don't know let's let's hope we never find out don't i don't think so i just don't think he was that kind of guy probably not but you know he's a real sudoku guy he wasn't really a hang out joe is basically saying that his goal was to launder alex uh to his audience by virtue of seeing how how much fun we can hang out with furthermore hey how about you how about fuck you you would have fun if you were in a room with me and alex jones and eddie bravo what if you

were a fucking muslim woman not not much not much fun no to have the guy across from you who is saying shit like i want you to yeah a trans person what if you were not a white guy yeah well eddie's a person of color okay anyway look here's what i would say eddie's eddie here's what i would say if this was your goal then you have a responsibility to not allow alex to talk about anything conspiracy related anything political on your show yep if your goal was just to talk about how fun alex is you guys have an interview and a talk where you get drunk and talk about college football and high school and like talk about that stuff yeah you do not talk about the globalist you don't talk about his bullshit because then they intersects with where his

misinformation is and you especially don't turn it into a callback no that you can always go back to and say hey look we had him on our show and he checked out so if you if you think something's wrong i'll tell you he checked out when i looked into it it's a perfect case of wanting to play both games at the same time yeah it's like i wanted to show the world that you were fun by getting fucked up with you and tacitly supporting your conspiracies like that's not that's not you can't pretend that you're fact-checking him and showing that he's fun because you're doing neither it's almost as though he grew up kind of choosing the path of least resistance you know to just kind of get along with everybody around him and just kind of not make anybody

to form your identity that could be how you form your identity dam so i will say that uh joe is not comfortable with how much alex wants to talk about how famous he is what is it like to be you know the the main oracle because you can say like you know jimmy carston was this guy jimmy older cronkite was that guy you're kind of that fused together on the first you have the audience are bigger when every other media has been atomized in fours is a close second or whatever but this doesn't matter it's not about that you're in the position of being the oracle what is that like an oracle of delphi right now well you're definitely not helping me with your weird description of what i do because it's not accurate nor is it respectful it's ridiculous he's a little bit

more playful when he's saying it's it sounded like he was actually saying that's disrespectful yeah joe's he's been a little bit more playful he's a little tongue-in-cheaking but he is uncomfortable and he should be that's fucking weird yeah i would not be comfortable with that joe interviews people and has informal conversations that go too long and yeah alex is like yeah you're the oracle of delphi yeah you're basically walter cronkite and jimmy carston old jimmy carston oh man he had some of those great jokes he used to wear a wear a turban joe rogan actually was on jimmy carston and he got waved over to the love seat made his career made his career overnight success that's how he got in at the store yeah uh oh jimmy carston so one of the things that i think was

a big point that i made early on in our podcast and i maybe make it less now because i don't like him nearly as much as i used to yeah not to say that i used to like alex but i certainly dislike him more yes yes i actively dislike him a lot more yeah um but one thing that i still do believe but i think is probably less important is that the the role that he used to fill is kind of a good role in society the kind of guy who will freak you out and maybe it's your brother's friend or something who tells you about the cia or whatever sure sure sure sure that is a voice that there is a place for in society a conspiracy theorist who you know doesn't behave the way that alex does the guy who's not also who can't hurt anybody a complete racist bigot monster anti

semi throwing around demon shit all the time you know somebody without malice yeah there is a place for that yeah and i think joe like he touches on like why alex has anything and it's because there was a place that he fit in before you've taught me a lot of things and this is very important like like i said earlier on the show about um people using uh other departments or other law enforcement or whatever to start smashing polite protests and turning them into violent protests like until you showed me all that stuff about agent provocateurs i really had no idea that anybody would ever think like that i had this naive perspective that i think a lot of people have that people that are in government and people that are in leadership they really just want the best

for the citizens so there is there is a role that can be filled of like discussing these kinds of topics that often aren't right necessarily front and center sure um there there's a value to that yeah but unfortunately the double edge of this clip is it's so clearly demonstrates why what alex is doing nowadays is useless yeah like yes in the 90s alex woke you up to the idea of agent provocateurs right that is his niche right that's what he should be right he strayed too far and ended up uh being a guy who can shift into psychic spaces and his lore is a little too complicated now his skill set is absurd yeah yeah he's a show that went on too long he's ending the way Game of Thrones did i think he's a victim of um his own success yeah probably he whatever the

reason he got like millions of dollars and ended up in that uh flashy ass studio it's the detriment of his career like he could probably have lived out a pretty successful yeah um making a good living being a conspiracy theory talk show host but he got too big for his britches and now this is embarrassing no comedians are funnier when they're on the bus like i've never i've never dreamt of being like famous i've always just wanted to be a comic who lived his life as like a comic like i want to live comic life i don't want millions i don't i definitely don't want a hundred million you want enough yeah yeah having too much might end up uh being uh it might make you unable to do whatever it is you need to do because totally once you start going down this road and you start

worrying about like pill sales and and all this you start to think about like what are the things that i'm doing that gets the most attention from people sure and then you know it's no longer hey here's a boring conversation about the reality of agent provocateurs and what you need to know about the history of this tactic right it now becomes everybody is pretending that they have relatives who have died yeah because it's exciting because it excites the internet and it gets you traffic yeah because your incentive is no longer to educate or whatever if that was his attention at the beginning i guess um it's it's now a marketing based yeah that's i mean it's it's you know the idea of not trying to be a millionaire and doing every single possible step you can take

to get there is uh radical socialist commie bullshit dan and you're on my list fair enough so where is alex 30 years ago turned joe on to agent provocateurs this is what he does now i'm in arizona three weeks ago i got a call from the white house high level high level i mean you know uh trump son i'll see her i'll just say it's not about name dropping too late oh you need to look into um dominion and communist china and switzerland and all the stuff they'll call this guy this guy calls me up from like this big company tells me all this stuff and so i hire a company to look at it we get all the sec documents thrown info or solve the news today and but i asked them i said why are you telling me this i think we've chosen you as the

conduit i'm almost like is that to discredit it because they've said i'm right right that's the thing like they can do that with someone so he that's full of shit that he just took that from q anon yeah twitter accounts and stuff that was just a conspiracy that he he laundered but it's interesting that at the end when he's talking about like are they doing this to discredit me like yeah that moment of self reflection was very strange why would trump's son do that you forgot that you said that he was your source yeah he doesn't make any sense i mean it does make sense if you think that they're trying to discredit he's just lying and telling these intriguing stories to joe to keep his attention yeah and he just keeps lying what are the what's

the percentage of people that vote usually it's about 60 percent in a national election about 49 percent in an off year election up down to 40 but with the whole metric with trump they had an overturn of about nine percent democrat how many percent republican turn on you know how many what they had nine percent democrat turn 90 90 percent statistically faggots never happened 90 percent fraud proof no they just used all democrat voters right but do you know that for a fact uh look it up yeah yeah they had like 87 percent of democrats out of you in the 2020 election there was a 66.7 percent voter turnout alex are just making shit up and saying it confidently which allows him to lie to joe's face and not get called on it because joe is attached to the

messenger and alex knows that he's exploiting it but the end goal is attention the end goal is attention he lies to joe in order to disseminate this information and because joe doesn't have the wherewithal to push back on it be like oh fuck yourself there's no way there's a 90 percent democrat turnout what the fuck are you talking about because he doesn't have that or maybe he doesn't want to cause conflict or whatever whatever reason these talking points end up being laundered to joe's audience yep if people look up to joe and they respect him he's sitting there and he's allowing this point to stand tacit endorsement yeah exactly but again the goal is attention and you can see that very clearly uh in this clip imagine being like the hot chick

back in like 1963 the come dump well let's look at it in a respectful way alex the hot chick christ back in 62 when there wasn't that many of them you know there wasn't no instagram models maryland come dump or uh how dare you you keep saying that the meme gold here is beyond what's that this is like the meme gold is beyond the meme gold okay wow that's the cringiest shit i've ever heard just he's so tickled by the idea that him saying come dump is gonna be mean gold well oh they're gonna meme this so much i can't think of it i don't want you to play this on our show it's really disgusting it's disgusting yeah oh look there's two different kinds of disgusting there's the obvious disgusting oh yeah and then there's the disgusting of like how transparently

pathetic is this like how badly you want someone to make a meme yeah out of you yeah someone should make a meme of all the times he's desperately begging to have memes made of okay yeah i mean like because that's the reality of this it's it's everything that he's saying that's like kind of gross and offensive is then tagged with i'm trying to get the memes going yeah it's so sad also sad alex makes a claim about something that bill gates said on japanese tv and because they're doing this and then putting it out later alex is able to drop in proof okay of his claim all right which they do about four or five times none of it proves anything but this is the most egregious example okay this is

outrageous and joe if you're listening which i know you're not i would i would say listen to this listen to the proof that alex tagged on he had all the time in the world to find the proof that he needed edit it later put it back in this is what he chose this is your guy no he's bill gates said oh don't worry the japanese tv goes this is gonna kill people he goes it's for the he goes it's for other countries now you know the printer goes oh what is that i don't know if exactly what you said is representative what was said yeah how many times have i told you a lot but would you go down crazy town i gotta let you know i don't have a map of the territory he said it more more defended he goes yes he's on japanese evening they go you know vaccine costs damage uh people

don't like you about i don't use this man they claim you want to be popular and he goes japan china the united states are not the target we have special vaccines for other countries he goes oh yes oh i mean he was like he said that deal do i see that can you show me that i'm gonna say i gotta pee again i don't yeah let's take a piss i'll i'll find it we'll do it right now i'd say it's an ironic if you take somebody who's doing their best to get the world ready and you know putting in my case uh billions of dollars into these tools for infectious diseases and really trying to solve broadly infectious diseases including those that can cause pandemics but that you know we're in a crazy situation so there's going to be crazy rumors i hope whether

it's individuals or countries then in some ways this shows us how interdependent we are that to stop a a global pandemic we need to find whoever's the best whatever the best vaccine construct are the best drugs and we need to make it without just focusing on one country we need to make it for the entire world including for countries that don't have the resources to pay for vaccine research or vaccine factories you know they're actually many ways should be the priority for what we do that's the whole clip that alex plays he played that clip to prove that bill gates went on japanese tv and said japan china us you guys get a different vaccine i really feel like that proved the opposite of what he was saying it certainly didn't prove anything it didn't prove

anything no it kind of proved that bill didn't say that it kind of proves that alex makes shit up or he has such a flimsy grasp on reality that he hears that clip and that's what he thinks bill gates is saying he has to believe that that's like he's so smart he's reading in between the lines i would assume that that's the most generous explanation that makes sense yes because that literally says everyone should get the vaccine and we should focus on countries who can't make it for themselves yeah they should be a priority yeah because it is also a global issue as opposed to yeah one country's problem to solve yeah i don't like i i i like to say i don't get it i don't understand but like there are there are a limited number of explanations yeah one is alex is

intentionally misleading the second is he is a consumer of bullshit news sites yeah and he thinks he's never watched the clip he just has read a headline about it right from national file or whatever sure and he thinks that's what it said or he watched it and that's what he interpreted it as and it's completely uh erroneous putting it in later it's so it's so sad confusing it's not confusing why would you do that you know i don't know i mean i think that there are some words that you can say that sound very similar sure and depending on what you think the word is is what you will hear um i could be i think that alex would probably assume that he's implanted the idea that that's what bill gates was saying yeah so if you hear that that's how if you think alex knows

shit that's how you'll you'll be primed for the correct interpretation of his so that's what i assume he thinks it's almost like a a fucking gaslighting uh three pointer you know it's like i i'm going to tell you what you're about to hear doesn't say what you're about to hear yeah or you just think people just like not really pay attention yeah that's probably and you're like oh there's he played a clip of bill gates it must have said rogan's in the bathroom i'll skip this part listen rogan's fans are the meatheads and the potheads like you know you can trick them that's fair that is fair that is fair so once again joe takes issue with people who critique his podcast interview with alex so strange and this one is also not a good point well there was a lot of

people that got tricked they got tricked into thinking that the podcast was something other than what it was and they they read some someone else's description and more people do that than listen because you know we did three hours plus right how many how many did we do 20 or something like that so i'm crazy there's no way they listened there's someone they don't like for three hours and 20 minutes like why would they do that yeah why would we do that all right joe that's a personal insult yeah that that one that is that personal that one's personal that is not abroad these liberals are doing that's you specifically dan why you know what's most tragic about that is i don't have a good answer i don't have a good answer either

why would people listen to hours of someone they hate that was a good question that's a good question also you just described my job don't don't don't you dare say 20 hours like oh look at how much work we did screw you we put more time in talking about you dudes talk yeah but i i mean i i do understand that deflection of like it was really long people couldn't have possibly listened to it if they thought it was shit sure and like no i mean i'm more primed to listen to something that i think is shit yeah than something that is bad yeah like this was way more painful than joe's episode oh totally and granted it and this is four hours that was three and a half or whatever but like alex was hotdoggin on joe's show which at least

makes some kind of an entertainment value and joe knows that this is his platform and he has to have some semblance of a shrine yeah yeah and so like those dynamics played out on joe's show which made it a little bit more of interesting than this which is long stretches of nothing no this is two dudes and alex being like you're so famous this is a two person let's make a meme this is a two person smoke circle and that's the worst possibly to be in alex how it doesn't have the showmanship chops to carry this as like a show so being on alex's turf is a problem joe is not as good as like when he is a guest yeah as he is on his own show because he'll just talk about how he ate or drank some coffee that a a civet shit it out do you get it isn't that gross but it's good how can that be

yeah yeah i i i just i feel like this must have been an apology like i something i feel like this has to be a thing where uh rogan said you can't come on my yeah my election special i'll go on your show i think you're placed yeah but i won't be on your actual show we'll just get drunk and record something yeah i feel like it has to be something like that some kind of olive branch i don't know it's a real bummer there is no point for this to exist other than for them to try and get attention yeah it's absurd unlike wild mountain time which exists only for itself sure so we have one last clip and it's a alex really summing things up well and i think joe nails it all right well i've been on there 27 years and joe rogan i want to thank you for everything

i want to say this is the best four hours i ever spent thank you so much that's what's outrageous about this world that's what's outrageous what is it this could be your best show this was nonsense it is nonsense that's fair yeah i i like ideas man i do i i like ideas that's why i like listening to things that i don't agree with i like listening to alex jones because i like finding first of all i mean he says stupid things like sure alex with guns and shit great there are certain things that just wouldn't normally come up in conversations of people i enjoy and i find interesting sure podcasts that i would listen to for pleasure certainly a lot of those things wouldn't be overlapping with alex right that's why i listen to stuff like project camelot i like ideas yeah

whether weirdest the weirdest ideas that you can possibly get let's fly in the face of danger and see if something might be true what if you what if one thing is true dan just like joe was saying just because he's lied a million times doesn't mean you won't find that one grain of gold i didn't know about that civic coffee yeah there we go we did it outside of that i don't think there was any ideas that were interesting that were presented on this show i think it was a disaster i think it was stupid um i just i i here's a thought that i have never been able to escape ever since i was like really really young you gotta escape this thought i i it's helped me so far if like whenever i was like 10 years old i remember hearing uh uh all of my friends have

this conversation and i remember being in the middle of it talking about it and i remember thinking there's no possible way that 10 year olds in 1990 are having a new or interesting thought so if i am having a conversation think for a second did somebody have this conversation several thousand years ago and then maybe just read maybe read instead of being like so here's what i think about the universe and what we should do is we should give everybody you know like we gotta get rid of tribalism and we gotta do shrooms and like hey maybe somebody's fucking thought about it before yeah yeah that is that is a perspective that it's important to have yeah i do i do agree with you on that um i think that exploring ideas conversationally is a fun

pastime and i think that that's what a lot of people do in college sure um and i think that it's what people do socially i think it's a fun thing to do with friends totally i don't know if it's always productive i certainly know from listening to this that it's not entertaining yes that's a good one um i don't know i i i come away with this i tried to like really distill down like the points that run through this because there are trends and all i could come up with are left versus right tribalism sure nonsense yeah that seems to be a thing that joe really wants to talk about it's all about interpretation there's no possible way that the somebody could be correct you got to overcome tribalism joe really wants to point that out

of course alex wants to talk about how famous joe is and how great it is that he's on spotify and then alex just is too overt and too obvious about his uh wanting to be desperation yeah it's just it's it's tragic it's it's like i keep saying it's cringe worthy but that's the only thing that's the only way i can describe it it's it's exposing his is vulnerable underbelly of of desperation i mean what's what's wild to me is ostensibly these are two professional broadcasters how can you have this boring of a conversation when you've been doing this or some facsimile of this job this very job that you are doing for 20 or 30 years and you come up with this this is what you've got and one of the people is the jimmy karson of our time jimmy

karson of our times man you're wasting it the other one's a close second yeah you are no ed mcman sir no no so um there you go folks you got it yeah there it is you wanted it you got it you got stuff like everybody should do shrooms yeah i think i might have also only decided to do this episode because i came up with the title for it long in advance and that was fourth try not a charm nice this stunk but we'll be back on monday with a discussion of whether or not alex moved to dc and is living in a tenement camp let's hope he is um fingers crossed yeah that'll be good news we'll be back then but until then jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com you bet it is we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight

and i go to bed jordan dramatic time thank you uh we're also on facebook we are facebook in the dollar shy to shredded if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those uh still doing god's work yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo and leo i'm dzx clerk i'm darryl run to say hey hey don't you try out that rifle andy and chan's us you're on the here thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you