Knowledge Fight - #527: February 4, 2021

Episode Date: February 5, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan drop everything to check out Thursday's edition of the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex has Steve Pieczenik on to "face the music." Alex's definition of "face the music" definitely seems to be outside the mainstream.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan Jordan. What's up? Quick question for you. Yeah. What's your right spot today? My right spot today, Jordan comes in the form of a cereal. I decided that okay, so I was making some choices on cereal, right? So they're looking at these boxes. Yeah. And I see one that is a Dunkin

Donuts flavor. No. Mocha. No. Mocha coffee. Refuse cereal. Pass. Hard pass. I stared at it. Throw a spear at that box. I stared at it for a while because it was like, well, I'm drawn in. But there's another voice that was telling me, is this the novelty that's going to get you burned? Right. Is this too novel? Right. Right. Honestly, there was also one. There was a caramel macchiato and I said, that looks gross. That is definitely going to burn me. I do appreciate finding where your limits are. It's right between those two. Exactly. We found that certain perfect gray zone. Caramel macchiato is too far. That's the Mendoza line, as they say. Shout out to Marty. Yeah, I got it. It's great. It's great. Of course it is. It's shockingly good. What

does it taste like? A donut? No, it tastes like coffee. It tastes like a mocha coffee. Oh, I thought they were going to taste like a donut type thing. No, and it's got like it basically the texture of it is there's like little marshmallows and then the cereal itself is basically just like cocoa puffs. Okay. It's just it's I don't know. I mean, it's not good. It's not good for you. It's not great. It's just I expected it to be a real dangerous proposition. Sure. It turned out to be great. I enjoyed it. I recommend it. I imagine Dunkin Donuts probably won't release a cereal based on my coffee flavor, which is black. Just a bird. Just bird. Yeah, burnt black. A whole pot of it. Yeah, a post is going to come out with a Folgers. No cream. I don't. I don't foresee that happening.

Sick of drinking coffee. Chew it. This introduces an actual interesting problem. What's that? That is that if you're have a black coffee flavored cereal. Do you have milk? What do I drink with? Do you put milk in there? Is that room? You can't. It ruins is. It runs a coffee in there. Absolutely. Okay. What else would you drink? Double brewed? Silly. Yes. That's a that's a red eye. Yeah, that's right. So what about you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan is the new album by Madlib Sound Ancestors. Very, very good. Okay. Very, very good. It's all music that was made by Madlib over the span of like the past two years. You know, you know, Madlib, right? You know how all he does is just sit around and make music all the time. I got that sense. Yeah, I mean, I don't know him

personally, but yeah, it seems like he likes music. He's one of my he's one of my heroes just because he's like one of those guys who's just like, I know what I do. Mm hmm. And I make music and everything else can go fuck off. Yeah, that's that's basically like me and looking at Alex Jones. And you see now why I'm drawn to you and people of your ilk. Weird committed people. Yes. Absolutely, because I'm a little lazy. You're fine. Anyways, it was arranged by Fortet and it's really, really, really, really good. I love it so much. Yeah, I'll have to give that a spin. I've been getting back on the bike a little bit and I've been needing some more music to throw into the rotation. I've been listening to a lot of Polish ambassador. Okay, well, I enjoy the Polish ambassador.

It will be a departure of style. I will say that maybe less than you think. I don't know, we'll see. Have you ever heard of the Polish ambassador? I have heard of him. I haven't listened to that in a while. I enjoy. There's an album called. I don't even remember how old is that again? What album are you talking about? I mean, actually pull it up here because I forget names of things really easily. They're like, you know, it's like within the last like five years or so, some of these albums. One I was listening to is him and Ayla Nereo. She's a singer, like a vocalist. They have a group called Wild Light and they have an album called The Tide that I was listening to that's really, it's good for, you know, a little bit of riding the bike cardio stuff. But I'll

check out that Mad Lib album too, because otherwise I'm just going to end up drifting back to like Carly Rae Jepsen. Yeah, yeah. There's nothing wrong with mixing in a little bit of that, but I need some more. If you start, if you start riding your bike and listening to Scott, I'm never going to hear the end of it. It's going to be trouble. I generally, if I have that feeling, I only listen to the Sami Zayn intro music because that's great. And then also Christian Scott, like five iron friends or the O.C. Super Towns. Like, because those have like a sentimental thing to them too. I will rarely ever listen to other Scott stuff on the bike. If you listen to Christian Scott backwards, do you, is that like running away from God or

how does that work? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll give it to you. Okay. Fair. So Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to go over. We're going to be talking about February 4th, 2021. Blackjack. Blackjack over Jordan. So close. I was ready for it too. I was ready for it. I'm so lazy. Got some interesting stuff happening on this episode. Requires our attention. This is Thursday's episode. So, you know, it's right hot off the presses. Yes, indeed. And I had an interesting ride to get here. And we'll talk about that as we start the episode. But first, let's give a little bit of a shout out to the folks who've signed up and are supporting the show. So first, Villain Jack. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks,

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solved the mystery. Finally, let's say thank you to a couple people donated on elevated level. We appreciate that very much. So first is a sandwich. All one word. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat and take my money. You filthy animals. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right, let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you all so much. Yes, thank you very much. I like that Isis sandwich name too, because I've gotten into some aggressive arguments in my time about

whether things are or are not sandwiches. Yeah, I've heard of people doing that and it disconcerts me that people that have strong feelings about sandwiches. Well, they really introduces a philosophical question about what does constitute a sandwich. Right. Hot dog is a classic thing that will cause people to come to loggerheads. Sure. It is a divisive topic. Uh-huh. But once you start talking about that, you enter the world of taco. Is a taco a sandwich? Oh my God. I know. See, that's what I'm saying. Oh, no. Once you start once you start getting into that, it's dangerous. It's a slippery slope. I only trust the word of the Earl himself, and he has not spoken regarding hot dogs. So I say that it's fine or it's not fine. It does

not matter until he speaks. All right. Well, we will go with that. Yeah. So Jordan today, this episode, like I said, we're doing February 4th. And my path to this was a challenge because I was trying to get myself really motivated to, you know, talk about Alex on Monday, you know, from Monday, we're going to cover the week. And then he started talking like this. I just, I can't handle it. I just can't handle it. And it's global government and China's open for business. It's designed to transfer all of the, all of the resources and jobs overseas. And the public's got to go into a conscious mode. Everybody gets really unconscious, just kind of accepts what's coming at them. Like I'm not mad at the crew.

I love them to death. But I said, if my car was ever sticking up, you got to tell me on air, open your eyes, look for problems. I got a bugger hanging out of my nose. Tell me, but they won't do it. They're good people. They're just going to trance. I caller was sticking straight up. See, I'm not mad at them. It's a teaching moment. The globalists are coming with deadly vaccines that don't work permanent lockdowns. Everybody's just kind of taking it. They're just kind of taking it. Can't take it anymore. You got to get the conscious mode. See, when you're not conscious, you're basically dying and your collar is up. Yeah, I was listening to this is so dumb. Okay, he's basically having an HR meeting where he's

scolding the crew for not telling him that his collar was up. But in the guys of talking about how when you're unconscious, the globalist can pull stuff. It does seem like he's turning what is a very petty. You guys should know I am incapable of basic hygiene. Yeah. And take care of me. Tell them to a global problem. Talk to your staff during the breaks. Make your points on air. I just was listening to that. Like this is so stupid. I can't even wild. Yeah, it felt like walking through with knee deep mud. No, I don't need it. And so I decided, you know, like maybe I'll go and try to find some project Camelot and start to take a break with. No good. Not great. So we decided we're going to do a time travel episode. Go back to the past.

And our now daily morning meetings. I listened to an episode from 2011 and I found Alex trying to get really excited about Bilderberg and it made sense. Everything checked out. Okay. He was he was really excited about this Swiss Holocaust denier that he didn't realize was a Holocaust denier. Sure. It was a lot of fun. We're gonna have fun with that. But then the bat signal went off. Jordan. I know. I heard. It's Thursday, February 4th of the year is 2021. Dr. Steve Pachenek is going to face the music. We really appreciate him. He has a lot of courage coming up in our number two. Stay with us. That is catnip. Yeah, there's nothing we can do. Nope. There are certain times in doing this show where you just got to resign yourself to like, well,

here's what happens. Yep. Steve's back on after saying Trump will still be president after January 20th or I'll eat my hat essentially. Yep. If he's not president, then I'll never come on your show again. But if I am, you got to hire me. Right. You know. So no one is happy. I was interested. Yes. I too. I'm interested to see what kind of big swing is going on here. Steve is a lunatic and yeah, I don't know, man. You just never know what to expect. And this I'm hoping for a double down. I'm hoping for him to come right out and say it. Trump is still president. That would be a swing. I'm going to say it completely unrelated to what you want. Sure. Don't take this as a sign whether that is or is not going to happen. Okay.

I'll say that I was a little underwhelmed by this interview on both of their parts. I was in. I was a little underwhelmed by Alex and by Steve, although there is some hilarious stuff that happens. But the two of them should have been screaming at each other. Absolutely. This should have been a knockdown drag out fucking. You have been lying to me since the beginning and then Steve is being like, of course I've been lying to you. You're a moron. It's nuts that Steve agreed to do it. Oh, of course he did. He doesn't give a fuck. He does not give one fuck. It's nuts that Alex that clearly doesn't have more of a plan. That is obvious. It's just expected and still insane. It's just outrageous. Yeah. So Alex, that's in the second hour. Right. He's

got to get to some other news in the first hour. Let's see. These are liars in a moment. I'm going to show you AOC caught in the line. We talked about a few days ago. I said, wait a minute, look up where her office is. She's a junior member of the house and I've actually been there while she was a congresswoman and saw her scurrying around the halls about a year and a half ago. She wasn't even in the damn capital. I mean, I mean, I know we talked about a few days ago, but now it's even on Fox News. This woman is a congenital liar. We're going to get to that here in a moment. But first, my dad launched a new company about a year and a half ago and developed his own amazing toothpaste. Oh, wild. Good stuff. All right. Hey, she didn't claim to have been in

the capital building that her building itself was also evacuated. I just, I don't know. I understand that the right wing really desperately needs to try and minimize the human trauma that was experienced by the people who are the victims of the consequences of their rhetoric. Sure. We tried to get you guys murdered, but you're lying about it. Yeah. I understand why people like Candace Owens and Jack Pasobic are really pushing these things hard. And Alex is now jumping on this as well. Like I get it. It's just dumb. It's, it's, it's awful to see. Yeah. Like it denying, denying her, her experience is, is just. Yeah. No, it's, it's one of the more fucked up things I can think of. I, I, I, like, if I, I, from an empathetic position, if I put myself in their shoes,

I imagine I too would scramble because I would not want to reckon with the idea that I am essentially an attempted murder. Well, you, you gotta, you know, but I don't think that they have, I don't know. I think they're just basically psychopaths and they're like, well, this is what we got to do to protect the grift, not the alternative. I don't care. I, they don't care if she was murdered. I think part of it is protecting the grift, but then also I think a part of it is what, you know, it's something that is so essential to a lot of these narratives is the inability or the desire not to feel bad about anything. Yeah. Yeah. And that would penetrate that bubble pretty hard. Recognizing that they, these are human consequences of these conspiracy

theories and this, this bullshit that gets peddled. And to recognize that would probably introduce some bad feelings and, you know, that's not in their interest. No, that would hurt. Yeah. Yeah. They don't like that. So Alex does that AOC shit. And then he flips into an ad and like, he does an entire segment that's just ads. The entire second segment of the show is ads. Sure. And it's just unbelievable. Buy my dad's toothpaste so I can hide more money in his company. It's a drag. It almost feels like Alex thinks that announcing that Steve's going to be on the show is going to somehow boost ratings. And then he does a extended commercial to try and get the message out to as many people as he can. Could be. Then he gets back to teasing the Steve

interview. And Dr. Steve Pachennick, we have the clip, we'll play it here in a few minutes, has the courage to come back on the show after coming on for 19 years and saying about 95% of what he's predicted come true, what he predicted here a month ago before January 20th did not come true. And he's going to give us his take on it. I can't wait to talk to him. Can't wait. Can't wait. Man. But see, here's the thing that I take issue with with a comment like that. What Alex is doing is he's framing Steve's comments as predictions. Yeah, they shouldn't be predictions. No, they're not predictions. Yes. Yeah, Steve's been saying he's involved in the thing. He's been saying he did it. Yeah, he's not predicting something will happen. He's doing. Yeah,

it would be a completely different show and people wouldn't take it as seriously if you were just like, Hey, I don't know anything. I'm just get. Oh, here's what I think. Yeah, exactly. No, Steve pretends that he's got like teams of intelligence agents in the field. What's the point of having a guy who's an expert with all of his connections? If you're just going to ask him for random ass predictions. Yeah. When he says I'm involved in this shit, then, you know, your brain is like, Oh, he must be talking about something. If he just says, I predict this is going to happen, you can start to recognize. Oh, his predictions have a terrible batting average. He's not doing well. I guess I won't take those predictions that seriously anymore might be a

bad idea. Yeah, it's it's experienced completely different to a listener when you present it as like I did this. I put QR codes on all the ballots. So insane. Blockchain. You know what? I what I don't understand about Alex is that I feel like he's missing that golden opportunity of like like when you when you can cut ties with one of these assholes, it's like getting rid of it's like when you're playing go fish or old mate or whatever it is where you can like, Oh, as I'm discarding this card, I am not losing a card. I am giving it giving the bad thing away, you know, like when you cut ties with the Stevie P's, you can throw so many bloated narratives on him, like just toss all the shit that you don't want anymore out. Steve did Sandy Hook. Exactly.

Be like, no, no, that was all Steve's idea. Like go all in, land it all on him. Don't half. And you wouldn't be lying for the most part. Steve did influence to all these negative things. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know. I think that Steve, because of Alex has built up his own organic fan base. And now that is a threat to Alex. But if if if he turns on Steve to our Steve's audience will turn on Alex. What a goddamn moron. Yep, they basically are just like pointing guns at each other. Yeah, they're just sitting there like, All right, we're at an impact. Yeah. What do we do? Yeah. And that seems to be a theme of Alex like he just builds up these no win situations with these lunatics. And then here we are. Is there a man who is more dedicated to Hoisting himself

upon his own petards? It seems to work. I mean, it's profitable. Yeah, that's fair. Also, I forgot about this. I forgot we we need to give a shout out to someone whose birthday it is. Alexis sent an email and told us that Sean celebrated a birthday. Oh, happy birthday. So Sean just wanted to give you a little bit of a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Sean. Many more. Isn't that what they do birthdays? No, it is not. Okay. Nobody asks nobody wishes you more birthdays than you would die sooner. No, they don't want you to have no more birthdays. Yeah, no, they want you to have no more birthday. They want you to have more. A ton of them. But the more birthdays you have, the closer you are to death. But no, because if you have more, it's further off. Each one of them

represents a year. All right. But then you're just saying I want you to race closer and closer to your end. Jordan, you're literally making no sense. I'm sorry. And that's fitting. Okay, because neither does Alex fair. He All right. Here's the bottom line. Let's hear the bottom line. Most of the first hour is spent with Alex talking disgustingly and grotesquely about child abuse. And we're not going to listen to any of that. Good. And I have my reasons for it. And if anybody takes issue with that, I will say that we've covered some of that stuff in the past. It doesn't add anything to demonstrate these things over and over again. And I believe that the way that Alex carries

himself has the potential to be re traumatizing to people. And I don't want to be a part of bringing that to our audience. And I want to I want no part of it. If you think that is a an inappropriate decision on my part, I would encourage you to start your own Alex Jones podcast. We've had how many times has he been on the show saying that shit? Go back and listen to it. He's saying the same shit. It happens a lot. It's disgusting. It happens a lot. And this was a particularly grotesque example of it. And I only have two clips that aren't actually about that, but are about like little things that he's saying on the side of those conversations that are kind of stupid. Okay. And maybe a little bit interesting. The first one is about cannibalism.

There are a lot of currencies on the planet that the establishment operates under. There's cash, there's digital money, there's the derivatives, there's art, there's drugs, there's sex, there's information. And there is all sorts of weird decadent pleasures. I mean, a big one is eating dead bodies. A lot of establishment people really like to eat human flesh. Sure. And they get them from morgues and stuff with dead kids and people. Naturally. And that's something that's well known. I've seen Blade. My dad told me all about this when I was a kid and later I saw it come out in the news. That's how I know this is nonsense. Wow. Yeah. Whenever you're Alex Jones, you're like, I'm a big serious expert on the New World Order. My dad told me people get eaten.

My dad said one time that a doctor ain't a person. I would say that if you want to be taken seriously, don't don't say it that way. Don't that's that's that's if you can prove these claims, you don't need to say my dad told me. No, I when my when I was little, I discovered that while you were sleeping, if you had lost a tooth, someone will break into your home and brutally rip it from beneath your pillow. Will they leave something behind? I don't know, but I read it in the news later on in life. It's been confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex Jones' dad's scary bedtime story is not withstanding. Every detail with the more we learned about his dad, the amount of fucked up dude fucked up Alex. So he's a fucked up dude. Yeah. Yeah. So

the other clip that Alex has here is, you know, whenever you like people get rich, they start to need more exciting things. The mundane, the mundane pleasures of life sometimes are not what they, you know, they get the sports cars drive fast. It's an escalation problem. The moment you've achieved your dream, now you have to find something else to achieve. Right. Alex discusses this a little bit and I should tell you this. This is a family show. That's the type of stuff going on where these people have all the money, all the power. And so they just do more and more degenerate stuff. I mean, it's very popular for establishment folks to just eat big bowls of fresh feces right out of a woman's rear end. And you know, I'm trying to be gross

here folks. I just want you to know what we're up against and what we're dealing with. Okay. All right, Alex. Okay. Sure. Fine. I don't know. Okay. So, so what, what do you, here's what I saw. I saw Nancy Pelosi sitting at a desk, a desk much like ours. Right. Like, like you're, you're fairly close to me. If you were to stand up, turn around and just start shitting into a I could grab a spoon and just eat as you shit out of it. That's what I saw Nancy Pelosi doing. Is that what you, I didn't have any mental image except for Alex, just like his brain trying to be like, what can I say that's gross? Exactly. Like, I mean, look, humans are not good eating from a nutritional standpoint. It doesn't make sense for people to eat humans.

No. And there's also nutritional issues with eating feces. It's not, I mean, both are great for just purely pleasurable. You know, it's like, no, no, no. You know, sometimes I order Chinese food and I know it's not maybe the most healthy decision, but it's about the pleasure of eating it. I imagine the same thing is true for eating shit coming out of a woman. That seems like a good way to get oral fecal transmitted. Yeah, for the pleasure of it. Or I mean, eating humans, there's a lot of conditions you can come down from with that. And the color wash them first. Okay. This is all stupid. Alex gets around to the Steve interview. Sure. And he's, he's sort of, you know, easing into the introduction. Coming to you live from the ATX broadcasting worldwide.

I'm not going to try to rehabilitate Dr. Steve Pachinnick here on air in some people's eyes, but he did leave the CFR and say 9-11 was an inside job and then call the real perpetrators out that we're actually involved orchestrating it. I'm not saying radical Islam doesn't exist. And he's done a lot of other good things. Wasn't from the Syrian war, supported Trump, trying to get trips out. But I thought he was buying into the whole Q8 Chan deal. Here is a problem for me. If you believe that he's an expert inside person, he should not be like at all persuaded by Q stuff. If you have for a moment the inclination to think that Steve Pachinnick is getting influenced by stuff on a message board, you should very seriously question

whether or not you should take anything he's saying seriously. He is supposed to be behind the scenes, which would be behind the PSYOP that you have argued Q must be. So how could someone behind the scenes, unless you're saying that there's a, that he behind the scenes was tricked by the other behinds the scenes people in through Q. Oh no. What are you doing letting him behind the scenes if he's going to get tricked by other people behind the scenes? You stay behind the scenes man. The PSYOP that I've started is too good. It's tricked even me. Yes, exactly. Get the fuck out of here. So Alex is gracious and he thanks Steve for coming back and my note on this is just like why are they doing this? Why? Yeah, why? And so I appreciate Steve Pachinnick coming on

and having the courage after he was on. Well, let's punch that up. Is this Steve Pachinnick's last interview because I can give you the date. I forget the date. Why? I just, I don't understand. This doesn't serve anyone's interests. Steve is going to have to go even further out on a limb in order to retain any sense of credibility at all. Alex is going to have to either confront somebody who he clearly doesn't have the fortitude to confront or he's going to have to get persuaded by Steve to wait and see or whatever. This is no win situation for anybody except for Steve because he's got nothing to lose. Right. Alex's insistence on not preparing, coming through immediately with, I don't even remember what date it was. When was that shit?

Promised me that the world would be, oh my God. Yeah. So I think Steve sucks and I think he's a real liar and a menace, but that being said, I do think that the first question that Alex asks is unfair. Okay. I do think this is not even there. I do think this is not how you want to start an interview. So Steve Pachinnick, tell us, was it all a big joke? Are you in with the Q guys? Were you part of the setup or were you really believing this was going to happen? We really appreciate you coming on. Number one, I enjoy coming on the show. Number two, what I do resent is the ad hominem comments coming from here, disgusting viewers who think that I lied or in some way gave them false promises. Table turned on you in a second, Alex. Go fuck yourself. You

don't get to do this. You do not. Alex. Alex tries to frame the interview with three options for Steve to pick that are all bad. Yeah. Steve says, I like coming on your show. What I'd like to say is that your disgusting audience is a bunch of assholes who keep saying bad things about me. Wild. So pathetic. Yeah. Steve takes control. Alex has no shot. Just none. You can see it even immediately. Just like, no, you're, you, it's not even in over your head. It's just, you're, you just, you don't have the where we'll fall. Here's what, here's what you do whenever somebody does that. One, that is a shitty opening question, but also well deserved. Fuck you, Steve. Well, and if Steve comes back with, I don't appreciate you say, hey,

fuck you, Steve, you fucking lied. I would suggest that a better question is not like three possibilities that are all things he can't possibly accept. Right. Of course. A more open ended question that is leading to the, what the fuck is wrong with you, man? Yes. That would be a better opening question. If you are wise, you will allow Steve to hang himself. Right. If you are someone who maybe prepares, you'd have a question that guides you towards where you want to go as opposed to one that your person you're talking to can completely reject because it's a trap. Yeah. He doesn't, he just ignores it. No. I mean, of all the, of all the like so simple judo principles to be put into, to be demonstrated right here, Alex attacks with

overwhelming force and Steve just gets out of the way. Yeah. And then it's not hard. And then once Alex's force has gone past him, he turns around and attacks them from the back. I came on the show again, to basically say to you, I will double down on the military coup. And the reason I'm doubling down is that right now is taking more time. And I don't directly deal with military operatives as I had in the past when I went overseas. I still have faith in my cyber command. I have faith in my special forces. I have faith in the generals. You don't have special forces teams. Oh, I was right. I was right. He did double down. Yeah. That is what I was expecting. Yeah. Yep. It's maybe not the, not disappointing. Yeah.

I wanted a bigger swing. Yeah. It's not, it's not as big a swing as you'd hope, but it is cool. I mean, like in terms of like, now what are you going to do, Alex? Yeah. Yeah. Steve was wrong. He came back and now he's telling you he was right. Yep. You almost could have predicted this coming seeing as how he has had no interest in whether or not reality conforms to his bullshit anyways. Yeah. Steve is absolutely gaslighting the shit out of you. Why would you imagine that he would become contrite and be like, Oh, I'm sorry for lying to you. Also, you're not even getting to the underlying emotional problem, which is that he told you he has been using you. Yeah. Yeah. To your face. They don't get into that surprising. Yeah. So everything is going according

to Trump's plan apparently. And only one person in the media really understands and gets this subtle thing that's going on. And that is the Trump is being quiet. And maybe that's because he's got an impeachment trial coming up. She's been kicked off all social media. Could be. But one person gets it. Okay. This should piss off Alex, but I think he's distracted. So what I'm saying to you right now is what you're seeing happening is exactly what Trump wanted to happen. He's exposing. Now, you got to remember one thing I've said about Trump. He never fails at what he does. And by the way, he has remained silent. Only one individual picked that up repeatedly. And that's Bill Maher of HBO. He hit it right on the head. Why is Trump silent? When in his history,

he has never been silent. Don't you fucking tell me that Bill Maher is insightful? Alex's big enemy. It's just you know who they watch all the time by how much they reference how much they hate them. Yeah. And then every time, because you watch Bill Maher all the time, so you can hate him, eventually he says something where you're like, you know what, this Bill Maher guy might be right because you guys are fucking children. You're toddlers. You can't. It's just two seconds of like, Oh, I hate him. I love him. I'm not going to say that this person doesn't exist, but I don't know anyone I like who likes Bill Maher. Oh, I don't know anyone I like who likes Bill Maher either. That person may exist. Yeah. And I just don't know it. And I

wouldn't judge them for it, but the only people I have any evidence watch Bill Maher are people tweeting stuff. Yeah. And Alex and his guests. Yeah, that does all of them watch Bill Maher. He's the only he's Bill Maher just maybe that's why he's going so far with the racist right nonsense is just he's like, Oh, I guess the only people who watch my show are right wing Nazis. Dennis Miller. He might be Dennis Miller in front of our eyes. God damn it. Oh, boy. Shit. Equally unfunny. So Trump, his whole plan, right, is to let Biden show his ass. He's going to show how incompetent he is. And this is where Steve begins to drift into possible antisemitism. He's showing you how corrupt and stupid Biden is. I said to you before, for years, Biden will pick

those people who are incompetent and corrupt. And primarily they were Jewish. I have a synagogue going on there with Blanken with all kinds of people. I've got 11 Jews in there, all of whom I've never met before. Some of whom I have a lot of things in common, but they're all incompetent. Oh, boy. It seems to really be wow hammering on the point that people are. Wow. Wow. It is you. You I wouldn't have even thought of that as something to bring up unless I were say a Nazi. It's so weird the way he speaks to just that like I've got. I've got these people in the government like, do you think he just designs trading card decks? I genuinely think that he just draws like magic the gathering cards and they have like Nancy Pelosi and Deep State operative

written on them and he just tosses them out like a tarot deck. I begin to wonder if he's not like severely disturbed. Like we talk about him and I think that one of the reasons that he may not come off as that is because he's in the infowars sphere. Sure. Sure. And Alex portrays him as like this really serious character and it's really funny when he snips at Alex. But there is a part of me that, you know, it has to wrestle with like, does he actually think that he's running like special operations teams? Does he think that like he has sway within the government and he's got these these 11 Jewish people who he's never met working in various offices and that's a problem for him personally? I don't know. His wife laughing in the background of that clip makes me really think

that he's aware. She laughs about some other stuff too. She's maybe she's on this on the same boat. She's in the front seat of whatever boats. She's not so thrilled with Jewish people either. Yeah, that sounds right. And we have one moron from the National Security Council and the State Department which is run by Blankin and Wendy Sherman. I got a Jew on top there who's never been in the military. What? 45 minutes left, but I got to unpack all this. I think Alex cut him off there because he realized like this is going too much. No, no, no. You can't keep doing this. We don't. Don't say I got a Jew on top ever, ever outrageous. Outrageous. Yeah. So in this, this next clip, they get to the heart of the matter, which I think that you're actually more

correct that the heart of the matter is that Steve revealed that he's been manipulating Alex failing getting into that because they don't. The issue is that he said that Trump still going to be president after January 20th. They get a little bit snippy. Alex gets snippy with Steve about this. Okay. Let's just go back. Let's just go with your scenario. They are doing this anti-racism stand down. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it because they are trying to purge the military right now. They're saying they think there's a military coup. You're saying there's a military coup. What's going on there? I just said it to you. Listen, Alex. Listen. I'm telling you. Listen, Trump's going to get inaugurated on the 20th. I'm saying let's unpack

that first. I didn't say he was going to get inaugurated on the 20th. I never said that. I said that he would still be president of the United States. What's going on in Mar-a-Lago? You tell me. Oh boy. Oh no. You fucking psycho. Oh no. That is you. You're not going to win. Hang up. Hang up right there. Steve thinks Trump is still president. Of course he does. What's going on in Mar-a-Lago, Dan? The office of the former president, man. Exactly. Yeah. That's what's going on in Mar-a-Lago. Former's in the name. You got to just get out of here. Just hang up right then and there and be like, this guy's out. Yeah. If I were Alex, I'd be like, no. No. Can't let you have that. You don't get to be angry at me right now, sir. You don't get to do that.

You don't understand what's happening here. Yeah. So Alex, I guess he just has to put up with Steve saying like, I didn't say he was going to get inaugurated. I say he's to be president. My inner semantics. God damn. So Alex tries to be a dick. It tries to reclaim some sort of like, I don't know, authority in the conversation. It doesn't really work. And then we find out that Steve also hates Mormons, which we already knew that. Well, then talk to us because you're so smart. Like you said, we haven't been in the military like you, like it's a magical level when you get there. Tell us then what's, what's going on in your view. I'm just telling you right now, I said it's part of SunZoo. You understand Alex what SunZoo is. You allow the enemy to

expose all of the faults that they have without intervening and he's showing it to you. The Republican party, dead, McConnell, a total wastrel, a corrupt individual, Mitt Romney, corrupt Mormon. He reminds me of the days of the massacre of Meadows that the Mormons did when they slaughtered Christians. He was warned and the Mormons were warned to take care of them and they didn't do it. What? Okay. All right. He warned the Mormon. Who warned the Mormon? It's got to be Steve. Steve must have. Listen, I warned the Mormons. Come get your boy. Come get your boy. You don't want any more massacres on your hands. Holy shit. Wild. Also interesting to recall that Steve also said that the Pope got arrested like a year ago. Yeah, but that one was

true. So at the beginning of this interview, the first way that Steve claimed authority was to say like, Hey, your audience has been throwing ad homonyms around your disgusting audience. Yeah, you're a liar, Steve. A little bit later, Alex realizes that he'd called the audience disgusting. There you go. Was that a Freudian slip? You're a disgusting audience? Or you mean some people that said disgusting things about you? Because most of the audience doesn't hate you. Unfortunately. Honestly, I don't even read most of the comments. Let me be very frank. I'm not interested in what your audience says or doesn't say. I don't really listen. Well, you said it. You said it. Listen to me, Alex. You want me on the show? Cool.

I think to do with Q. I don't even know who Q is. I don't read that nonsense. I have nothing to do with Q or anybody else other than you. You're the only show I go on. This is outrageous. Oh, man. Don't do this interview. This is so dumb. Oh, God. There's no point to this except for Steve to just be me and then see what he can get away with. No, the only reason you would do this interview if you're Alex is so you can throw away your baggage on Steve. Well, you'd do that or you'd recognize that like he does bring up repeatedly that their last interview got a lot of traffic. And the one where Steve was on with Owen saying that the election was a sting operation. Sure. That got a lot of traffic. And so I think that Alex has that motivation, like an attention

economy type of motivation. Because of course he does. Yeah. And so Alex will take like a little bit of this if it means a couple hundred thousand views more. That's true in theory. Yeah. But I would imagine you would get a lot of video, a lot of views if you forced Steve to hang up on you. True. Or if you just like Steve, you're making everything up. Steve, you're a fucking liar. Tell me more about that. Yeah. Steve, have you always been a psychopathic liar? No, no, no, no. Back to the center. You're a liar. Yeah, Steve. Hold on. No, no, no. I understand. I will listen to you, but only on the answer to the question. Why are you such a fucking liar, Steve? Oh, Steve, you don't give a shit about what my audience thinks. Great. Why are you such a liar? Why are

you such a fucking liar? Stay on point. Yeah. Get in there. And because Alex can't do that, Steve's just running circles around him. You specifically, let's just get this straight. Because people understand if you were wrong about time error or whatever, you legitimately thought Trump would end up being sworn in on the 20th. You said he's going to be the president. I didn't say you'd be on the 20th. He will be. He is still the president of the United States and he will continue to be the president. Okay. Well, I know he won the election and it's important not to recognize Biden. So tell me this. What is your view on what's going to unfold? How long will it take? See, Alex is just, he's supplicating. What are we doing? He's

trying to find ways in which you can accept the things that Steve is saying. Steve's saying that Trump is still the president. Well, yeah, the election was stolen. He's trying to make excuses for Steve, which is wild because this is supposed to be like Alex's. You were wrong, Dan. How does he do this? How is this possible? I've seen it too many times. How can one man never learn? Is he physically incapable of the act of learning? It makes you wonder if Steve's not independently wealthy and like paying Alex or something. I don't know, but there's some dynamic here that just doesn't make sense. No. And like it's really easy. If you just see a couple examples of it to be like, Alex is dumb and gullible. Yeah. And maybe that is what it is, but it's such an

extreme level of like, you could just get burned by this dude over and over again. Yeah. No, this is fealty on like Sith Lord levels of like, you know, he's trying to kill you all the time, right? What do we do in here, man? So you're seeing right now the exposure of the Biden corrupt, incompetent government or what you're seeing now is the exposure of a corrupt, incompetent regime of Biden and all his people. And what it really is, it's not only an indictment of Biden, forget that. It's an indictment of Obama and Brandon. This goes to the heart of the matter. Obama, as I told you, was a gay, flaming homosexual. Nobody who came was the CIA operative and Brennan was his control officer. All right. All right. Okay. So instead of

exoriating Steve for being a psychopathic liar, he is instead allowing Steve to be a raging bigot with no pushback whatsoever. Why don't the galaxy is a problem with any of that? Well, that I do. I do understand that. Yes. I agree. Although this next clip does get into territory where Alex has a problem and that is Steve is like, I love Brian Stelter. No, no. And just your narratives aren't real. Like Alex, the two of them are arguing about whether or not the election was stolen. Great. Am I getting through to you? How incompetent and what we have to show So they stole the election and took over. They stole what election? They stole the election. They're so incompetent. Checkmate. Let me ask you, how do you know they stole the election?

What are the numbers coming in? Trump had double triple quadruple in battleground states before they shut down the election that night and stole it. And you said a synthetic complete, right? You think that's over? And I'm here. I never give up, but I'm also realistic about what I face. And you think I am a wishful thinker? That's why I come on your show. I think you just know that I talk to a lot of people in the government. Hold on, Steve. Seriously. Listen, hold on a minute. I mean, I talk to a lot of really smart people. They tell me the country's in deep, deep trouble and we're in a globalist takeover right now. They're planning to set bombs off all over the country and start trying to civil war. So I'm really concerned

for my family. Everybody else right now. Oh, who's going to set bomb? The Southern poverty law center. Southern poverty law. Yeah. They ran Elohim city. They ran the attack on Oklahoma city. Yeah. Come on. Come on. Come on. I know them very well. They haven't said anything. I know that. Come on. The SPLC and I play golf on the weekends. What are you talking about? Alex, you're saying that the SPLC did Oklahoma city and they're planning bombings. What are you talking about? Also, Alex, the only people threatening to do bombs and all that stuff. We're on your show. Yeah. Or associate. So yeah. So I think that's really funny because this is not threatening to Alex except because Steve is seen as a credible voice because of Alex's actions. Yes, indeed.

None of this would be a problem except for that. Alex can't discount him as a crazy person. No. Unfortunately, this petard is too high. So I will have to jump on top of it. I know the SPLC. Alex, what election? The election's not done. That's a solid swing. I like that response. I like that response. So the election was stolen. What election? Now we've got a whole new wrinkle into our little lunacy. So one of the main devices by which Steve exerts his control over Alex is flattery, of course, and also patronizing him. He treats him like a little baby. Right. But a lot of the flattery is in service of that patronizing. Indeed. It infantilizes him in such a way. Oh, you're such an insightful mind. Yeah. It's interesting that we start with Alex being like,

my dad told me this when I was younger. So I'm going to believe it until I die. And then we get CVPs coming in here doing it like, Oh, you're a good boy. Now stop it. Don't you do that. But you're a good boy. You're a good boy. Yeah. Alex knows that because he now in the middle of this interview, they start arguing about whether or not Steve is patronizing him, which is really sad. This is just sad. And now here in Florida, we're not listening to either Fauci, who, by the way, was exposed. Isn't that interesting? Trump didn't have to say he was a total fraud because the New York Times and the Atlantic Monthly exposed a nonsense about wearing a mask. Now you don't wear one mask, you wear two masks.

So take it easy, Alex. Listen to what's going on. Do not get upset. And what I want to do is I'm nice to you. And I think you actually believe the stuff you're saying. And you're an interesting talk show host and people like you on the show. So I like you as a person. But the patronizing, dude, I'm 47 years old. I've been around the block 100 times. I don't patronize you. I'm being serious about this. What do you want me to say? I've said to you, Alex, I've said to you exactly what's happening. Am I patronizing you? Yes. Am I saying you're wrong? Yes. I just this show is fucked up. Like, this is supposed to be a show where you talk about the politics and the deep workings of the New World Order. The first hour is grotesque discussions of

imaginary child abuse fantasies that he has. Second hour is a psycho drama with an old man who's been manipulating him for years. Yeah, we're watching a weird soap opera right now. And it's a little bit. I'm not sure what's going on here. I think this second hour, Alex thought he was going to come in and be like, Hey, Steve, you fucked up. Yeah. Steve was going to be like, you know what? You get some right. You get some wrong. And they could build the next thing. And instead, Steve's like, Trump is still president. How do you not see this coming? How do you not see this coming? And because Steve is a wall, he's not somebody that's going to move and he doesn't give a fuck. Why would he? Yeah. What, what, what exertion can you put upon Steve to make him move? Oh,

you can't come on my show anymore. Clearly I can. Yeah. And Alex seems to have gotten to that realization and he starts kind of trying to help Steve make his arguments more. God, I hate him so much. Steve is saying that Trump is still president at the Mar-a-Lago and what have you. Sure. And he's going to come back, which coincidentally is another Q narrative. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, he's like, I don't know anything about Q. I don't read that stuff from this website, this website, this website, this website, this website, this website, this website that I don't read. Suspiciously, most of the stuff I say has to do with things that are popular in Q communities. It's a coincidence. So yeah, I mean, for someone who is pretending to disagree with Steve,

Alex is trying to help make that point that Trump's going to return. Now they're obsessed with Trump. They're saying he's getting more popular, not less. That, that actually has credibility with Pachennik saying. Pachennik, in my opinion, is walking back a little bit today. This big events could happen on the 20th. But, but I do agree. They stole the election. Trump is the president. But here he is. Last year, seven, eight months ago, I'm going from memory. Maybe you guys can find the date. Here he is at a appliance factory in the Midwest saying, Hey, I've, I've stood up to big pharma. We're paying the highest prizes. I've cut the prizes, which he did by half. They're going to come after me. I'm going to be gone for a while.

Here it is. You just have to produce a product and it has to be a good product. But the middleman, well, the rebate that I'm doing cuts out the middleman and reduces costs and the money goes back to the people purchasing the drugs. So I have a lot of enemies out there. This may be the last time you'll see me for a while. A lot of very, very rich enemies, but they are not happy with what I'm doing. But I figure we have one chance to do it. And no other president is going to do what I do. No other president would do a favorite nations, a rebate, a buy from other nations at much less cost. Nobody. And there are a lot of unhappy people. And then he said at the military base before he got on the planet for a long ago, he said, I will, I will be back. So,

so that adds something there to what you're saying. I just want to put all our marbles on Trump. Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? This is outrageous. There's no reason to do this. You're supposed to disagree with Steve, not go out of your way to find clips of Trump that seem to back up. What I, I, I just, I'm just just jangle keys. Is that what we need to do? Do we have, we just been jangling keys wrong? Has that been our problem? Is that why the right has been allowed to flourish? Is we haven't found the right color of keys to dangle outside of their vision so they can get distracted instantaneously? It's pretty, I don't know, man. This is why this is fucking out of, I know you don't let it get people

get it. They don't get away with it. So I have two clips here from Steve's interview. There's more, but these next two are just sort of like, I got lost in the incoherence and pointlessness of this interview. But I still think that these two clips are interesting to listen to for the social dynamics between these two dudes. But that, my point is this, what he's letting you do is the biggest apprentice show he's ever done. He's putting America into project. He's literally showing you the American show, which is massive corruption. And the first president, we didn't have it with Bush Sr. He was corrupt. I worked with him. We didn't have it with Nixon. He was corrupt. Jimmy Carter, he was corrupt. Clintons, they were corrupt. Okay. Let me, let me, let me just tell you what I've

witnessed. Trump means well, he cares about the country. He's not out to get us. He was the president. That pissed him off. I was there when almost the whole White House was gone. And, and he had like 10 staffers that were loyal. And then, and then, and then the secret service stood down at the Capitol and he literally pointed at me and I led the people out. And I was like, my God, this is really happening. And then we got set up. So just the idea that Trump's got all this masterful stuff going on. This sounds like a reboot. I mean, I agree politically, what you're saying is happening. This is destroying by the Democrats worse than ever. As they turn the economy off, as they launch all these wars, people are like, Whoa, this is horrible. I get it at a Machiavelli level or a

Sun Tzu level or a Napoleon level. They'll erupt your enemy while they're destroying themselves. But I mean, they're destroying us. They're, they're, they're coming after our guns. They are, I think they'll lose in the end, but they're just crazy. So I just don't, I mean, I know people that know Trump. Well, he's isolated at Mar-a-Lago right now. And what, what, what the point is what? That is my question too. That's a good response because that was incoherent. It was a whole bunch of different spaghetti strands being thrown up against the wall. Yeah. I think he might as well have just said, I'm not going to bail you out on that one. Nope. Nope. You're going to next or just stare. Yeah.

Huh? Uh, you are saying what now? So they're talking about Trump being isolated there at the end. And this, this goes on to just bickering. The point is you're saying Trump is like, you know, Mr. Spacely on the Jetsons with all his hands on the levers for my information, he needs to be out in the public fighting. He needs to be exposing. He needs to go into that trial to annihilate them in the Senate and be thrown in that prior patch. Instead, he's totally cut off with a bunch of cowardly lawyers selling to be afraid of a shadow. How do you know he's totally cut off? I mean, I mean, I talked to the president, so I'm not talking to people that talk to him. I know, I know the lawyers that are involved.

I mean, I know that he's cut off. And what is this next trial about the second impeachment? What does that mean? No, it's totally fake. Are you understanding what Roberts is involved? It's a sham. Now they're trying to back off of it. I think he should go into that prior patch and use that to expose them. But he's already, when did you ever hear, besides what I have said, that John Roberts is one of the most corrupt Supreme Court justices we've ever had. He's been involved with Malta. He's been involved with all kinds of problems and this adoption of kids. When did you ever hear that other than for me? And now you're beginning to see how the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is so corrupt. And what may have

happened to another Chief Justice? Was somebody killed by the way? Was there a member of the Supreme Court who might have been killed? I don't know. What are you doing? What is happening now? No, Steve, you're a fucking liar. Yeah. I can't tell if he's going back to Scalia or if he's talking about like a current Supreme Court justice or Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Yeah. Did they kill somebody? Just tell me who it's somebody. It's a sitting Supreme Court justice dead and we're in a stop playing this vague game. It's not fun. Bernie using half the Supreme Court right now. Yeah. So that kind of is indicative of how a lot of this interview goes. Like there's just a two delusional weirdos, but with slightly different delusions that neither is really

willing to give up. Although Alex's commitment is so much weaker than Steve's. And so you find him coming around. My God's a wolf. So he'll kill your God. Now, my God's an eagle. So he'll kill your God. No. Wolf has jumping powers. Yeah. I don't care. Yeah. I don't care. You're arguing about imaginary nonsense. Now, there is one thing you might care about. What's that? And that is bats. They made a bet. Bats. Yeah. Okay. They made a bet. And that is that if Steve was correct, he would get a job at Info Wars. Correct. If Steve was not correct, he could never come back on again. So the bet is now meaningless. Well, here's an interesting question. Are we double or nothing? There's no arbiter of who is right or who is wrong. I thought reality was well.

Steve insists that Trump is still president. That's fair. So what happens then? That's a good question. Steve thinks he's won this bet. That is that is a fascinating conundrum we have found ourselves in. Yes. And so Alex suggests the middle ground that I don't think anyone is going to go for. People like it when you come on the show. So even though you didn't win the bet, you did come back on the show. So I appreciate that. We're going to go to break. And what if you were right, would you eventually hire me again? Only if you caused a show with David Knight. All right, we're going to go to break. We're going to come right back on the other side.

Wow, ladies and gentlemen, that would be a hot show. Actually, that's those two together. I have little canes and be each other in the heads with them. Okay, folks, we're going to go to break. Little people hitting each other. I'm not saying they're little people. That's a quote from Time Band. It's a pretty funny movie. Wow. Listen, I got to pay some bills where I won't be here. Yes, I will. I don't know. I don't know if I could stop myself from at least tuning in to see what David Knight and Stevie P show would would be like. I don't know these people personally, but I find it very difficult to imagine that David would ever agree to that. I would love it though. He, I don't know. The dynamic between them. Steve is a loud,

boorish nonsense peddler and David Knight is a quiet, stated moron. But that's why I think David wouldn't do it. Well, yeah, obviously. I don't know. He has, he's been out of work for a while. When you've been out of work for a while, sometimes you're like, I'll take it. He's boring as hell and we're not into him, but that doesn't mean that there isn't an audience that came along with him. He's doing his own show. True on something. Maybe it shoot. I don't fucking know. But I bet he's making something off that. Who knows? I don't know. And I bet that Alex gave him some money. Yeah, I would believe that. I would absolutely believe there is almost certainly some shut up money. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I do. I do like the idea of Alex

suggesting that he can have a show if he co-hosted David Knight because that is a fuck you to David Knight. A huge fuck you to David Knight. And that's the only thing it is. It's not a serious suggestion. Doesn't bother Steve. No, it is a way of him saying, I'm not going to hire you. Yeah, absolutely. That's true. That's true. But everybody knew that he wasn't going to get hired anyways. And Stevie Bees wouldn't want a job. And even if it was offered, it's one of the, I think Steve would. I think it's actually, I mean, Steve saying, are you still going to hire me? I think that that's one of the few moments of weakness that you kind of see from Steve that he's actually so he seems interested in that, which is weird. Wow. So he really does think he's right. Well,

yeah. Or at least he thinks he can gaslight Alex into a job. Imagine how like, imagine how gullible the employees at Info Wars are. If you can trick Alex this easily, like wild. Yeah. I would say, you know, Steve needs someone to help him turn on the Skype and stuff. So if I were him, yeah, maybe you would want to get a job at Info Wars. They're producers there. That's true. I don't know. That's true. Anyway, Steve is a man of many talents getting out, getting Aldo Moro killed is one of them. Yeah, lying to Alex. Really a talent. He was really good at it. Well, that's more of a proficiency. Yeah. But turns out he has another skill that Alex brings up and that is poetry reading. He actually goes to coffee shops and reads poetry in his off time. So this guy just

killed all their bugs with Tom Clancy or helped on Delta Force. He's reading poetry. And and and everybody gets really excited when he talks about who it's dedicated to. This is called impending chaos by Steve Pachennick. Here's the end of it. And Lucifer. Oh man. What is this? So it's like, oh, false narratives, but someday they'll come true. Like HP Lovecraft, like someday even death may die. So is this a love letter to Lucifer Steve Pachennick? Are you secretly got a little heart for the devil? No, I have the heart for no, no, neither the devil nor the angels. What I

have a heart for is simply and why I go on your show. You're the only show I ever go on is number one, your incredible intelligence. Number two, your incredible sense of humor. Let me let me let me let me translate that for you. My religion is fucking with you. That's the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning. I don't care about the devil. I don't care about fucking with you for I am going to manipulate the shit. It's just what I got to do. I this this is a new poem. A rat done bit my sister now. Um, I think it's Steve's a weird dude. Yeah. The idea that he's doing poetry readings is interesting. Makes perfect sense to me. I mean, on some level, yeah, it's nice that he has hobbies

that are harmless. I don't understand why Alex would respond to a poem that ends with a amen to Lucifer as if it's just a joke when he takes this very, very seriously than anybody else brings up the devil or doesn't bring up the devil. Yeah, especially when they don't bring up the devil, I would argue. Now, here's what's interesting. What's that after this? I can't tell if this is a joke. Okay, or not. All right. But Steve literally refers to himself as a son of Lucifer. Okay. Now, as Lucifer and the son of Lucifer, I basically looked at cold that when 9 11 occurred, I was ostracized within minutes. I was deprecated ostracized and Bob Gates of the Secretary of Defense and the former DCI whom I couldn't admire at all. I thought he was disgusting and stupid

because he couldn't get in the rank corporation basically warned me not to do a coup. I almost guarantee that right after 9 11 Steve was not a high priority. No, I don't think people are like, Oh, no, Steve's gonna run. No, it was it was between the first and the second. They were like real quick. We got to make sure Steve is out of the out of the step. Check on Pachennic. Get him in the box. Steve is Steve has been waiting to do a coup for no reason. Yeah. Now we got something. Get him. I think he might have been joking, but I was I was blown away that Alex doesn't look. Why do you refer to yourself as a son of Lucifer? Should we be talking? Dan, we are all technically the sons of Lucifer Lucifer, of course, the light bringer and Michael

the Demiurge, the two of them together without which none of creation would happen. I find it weird. Okay, well, that's also fair. I also find it weird that his interview kind of ends with Alex and Steve being buddies. And they're just sort of shit ago. David Knight. I hate them both. Would you host a daily show with with with with David Knight? I'll bring him back if you host it with him. I have no hard feelings to David Knight. I love David. It's not an issue of David Knight or you or me. No, I'm saying what do you host a show with David Knight? All I'm saying is I want to come back on your show and say to you, okay, where is my position? I agree. How about a debate between you and David Knight? That'd be great. Oh, not not yet. This

is an attack. I hope David does well. David's got his own show he's doing right now. Dude, you gotta go. But wait, I thought you said it was a budget. That's weird. If I were David Knight, I would take this as an attack, too, because it is. David's going to take this as an attack, but it's not because I love them very much. And I definitely haven't been attacking him this entire time. No, that'd be weird. He seems to be also sort of thinking of David Knight as a thing. You know, like, I'll bring him back. I don't think he's a human. Come back. No, he's a human being, sir. I will make him dance with you. Wild. I cannot. I would be so, so furious. Like this, that wouldn't even insult me. If I

was David Knight, that wouldn't insult me. Yeah. That Steve is back would insult me more than anything I could imagine. I think if I were David, I'd probably be considering speaking to a lawyer to break my NDA. Totally. Totally. I would just be like, all right, well, now it's time to talk about everything I know. Yeah. Yeah. No, you can't do this. You fired me because this guy lied and then you called him on it and then you brought him back and now your buddy's again. Fuck you. Well, I think the problem is that, you know, Steve's a good guy. All right. Well, I think you meant what you said, and I don't think you did it out of meanness or madness, and that's what my gut tells me. So Steve, come back on next week. We're challenging David Knight.

He come in studio and we will. Okay. All right. Hey, thank you so much. Another guest coming up. I appreciate your time with us. All right, we'll be right back. Well, that was a powerful interview, ladies and gentlemen, and definitely something is going on. I don't know what it is, but it's crazy. The office of the former president. Yeah, something is going on. I don't know. I don't know what needs to happen other than like a permanent dunk tank for these two idiots. There's no place that they can be allowed in polite society without being a cancer upon the rest of us other than in a permanent dunk tank where I can throw apples at a target. I mean, I understand what you're saying. And I hear I hear you. I don't under I don't get it.

No, I I can't like I've listened to the show so much for so long. And legitimately, there's just a reality that is being denied by Steve. And I would have thought that Alex would stand up for basic tenants of reality, just anything, anything. I can't. I can't believe this interview went how it did. No, I'm I'm I it's outrageous. No, I'm furious. I'm furious. I didn't know what to expect when I heard like Steve's coming in. He's got to face the music. I wasn't expecting this. No, I was not expecting. I am shaking with rage on, I guess, Alex's behalf. Alex can't decide whether or not he wants to like say Steve is wrong and push back against his shit or like play clips of Trump saying I'm going to be gone for a while to try and help Steve make

his arguments. He's trying to play both sides of this fence and you can't. Nope. It makes no sense to one of them is well actually both of them are imagined. Fuck it. Who cares? So whatever you want, but you're a monster and an idiot. I thought that there would be a point where Alex would just have to be like Steve. We've gone too far. Yeah. Yeah. I wish you the best. Have fun in Florida. I'm not talking to you at all. And no, it turns out there's not. Nope. We're buddies now. Yeah. I just really makes me wonder like what happened after the Las Vegas shooting that made Alex stop talking to him for a good like six, eight months. Better legal advice. Maybe yeah. Maybe he had more to protect them or maybe maybe David Knight was a more of an influence

that could be. Could be. I just I'm I'm the judgment skills are outrageously bad. I really am a little bit speechless at this. Yeah. This is the well get ready to be speechful because Alex has another guest. Oh no. In the third hour. Okay. And he's a book boy. Oh God. Alex is in love with the Boogaloo boys. I don't. I can't hang. He has Magnus pan video back on. What are we doing? Yeah. What are we doing? Magnus offered to get this Antifa person for Alex to interview. And so this is the coming to fruition of that. Uh-huh. And it's not really that interesting outside of saying that like Alex is clearly down now. Yeah. Yeah. And Magnus is still full of shit. Yeah. So just having people talking to each other and more and more groups

kind of reaching out and then the establishment has kind of picked up wind of this and a lot of progressive and liberal YouTube channels that have been talking about, Hey, maybe unity. Hey, maybe we should work together with ex Trump supporters. They've started to get demonetized or have their Facebook pages talked out. We'll take it down, which is like, Oh, that's really convenient that, you know, like not they're saying the same thing they've been saying all last year. But the moment they started to be like, Hey, maybe we should work with Trump supporters. Maybe we should reach out to the right. They get their deal. You just they want a civil war. You guys want revolution and a change. You don't want a civil war. Right? Yeah. And that's, that's what

they want. And that's what I've been saying from the very beginning. Wow. Okay. What's, uh, what's what is the boogaloo mean then? Yeah. Like just like, Oh yeah, you don't want, you don't want a civil war. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Cause why are you wearing a Hawaiian shirt? Yeah. It's big luau. Right. No, I, no, don't, don't tell me why does your flag have a big igloo on it? Oh, big igloo. Boogaloo. Oh, it's all electric Boogaloo part two civil war two. Come on, dude. These people need to stop fucking around. Stop pretended out unreal. I just think they need to be honest. And that's one of the reasons why these interviews are so weird is because there's deceptiveness, but it's clearly like deceptiveness for the target audience. Yeah. Like this is deceptiveness

that's tailored to Alex's audience. Yeah. This is more infomercial. This is not an interview. This isn't a fucking a news show. This is an infomercial for why you should be cool with the Boogaloo boys. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it is. And one of the things you might be afraid of is that they want a civil war. He's just said they don't. Great. Now he doesn't want a civil war. But what he does want is a war against the government. The opponent, everyone we've always talked about is the federal government. There's never a meme made or a post made about going out and fighting Democrats or going out and attacking Trump supporters. None of our information, none of our messaging has ever been about that. Everything we've always talked about

is the government and particularly the federal government. That's always been the opponent. So it's never been a civil war. And we've already, most of us have stated that if there was some Republican versus Democrat kind of civil warfare, most of us wouldn't participate. We would go out into our cabins and into the woods and, you know, just try to stay out of it. Go fuck yourself. But also, wow, this is so disingenuous because he's pretending that he has this idea of this war against the federal government as if the majority of the country wouldn't side with the government over him. Like that's the part that that is the real imaginary world bullshit that he's trying to pull off. It's like, no, yeah, we don't want to hurt anybody. Like what about everybody who thinks

that the government shouldn't be overthrown by force? Oh, well, I mean, I've never seen you will end up having to hurt them. Never met any of those people. I've been on the internet. Everybody hates the federal government. So what'll happen is all of the people in the United States. Now, obviously, I assume that the people who are paid for by who are paid by the federal government, you know, there's what three, four, five million people. There's a lot of people that probably rejoin the boogaloo boy. Yeah, the federal government. Wow. Wow. It's delusional. And it's I mean, look, yeah, obviously, there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the government. There's a lot of people who want structural fundamental changes. That is not the same as people who would

say like, yeah, I'll take up arms with you against the federal government. Now, fuck that. No, this is outrageous. That is such an unacceptable, but it's this ingenuous framing of what the agenda and the goals are. Yeah, so outrageous. Yep. And one of the things that is seems to be the real thrust of these PR campaigns that Magnus is doing is that he wants to be a living example in this embodiment of how the media lies about all these groups. And maybe you're getting a different version of those groups than actually exists. Yeah, it's picking up steam and particularly like people are starting to look into things and starting to question whether, you know, they had false beliefs on all of these different movements or even if they didn't have false

beliefs that their feelings on them were exaggerated or focused by the media to an extreme to get them to the point where they dehumanize half the population. And that happens on both sides. You have it's total radicalization. It's total radicalization. He's talking to a guy who says that all the Democrats work for Satan. Yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know how to. I don't know how to listen to this, Dan. Yeah, I don't know how to listen to people judge. Oh, no, how dare the others. These people are both full of shit to each other. Yeah. They're both not they're not acting at all with any kind of decorum. No, this hurts my brain. It does. This hurts my brain. It's hard to navigate reality in the Internet era. It's very, very

difficult listening to these two assholes talk, knowing in the back of my mind that no matter what these guys are saying, they are dreaming of watching me bleed to death. Yeah, that is what they both desire watching me personally bleed to death. Well, that's because you're so your your blood coming out is not really a pain to you. It's really more of a demon leaving your behind. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, no, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the more that this guy talks, the more I just like that. Oh, no, no, no, the people are hearing that the media lies they've been telling about that's all you're saying is one, your bullshit is working and two, you are doing this in service of watching me bleed to death. So fuck you. So Magnus gets to

continuing this point. And you know, some people some people act like their their opposition is actually literally evil, like the person he's talking to right now. You have people that literally view like everyone in the opposing party as like some evil destructive force that has to be physically removed. And the fact that people, you know, people don't get to that naturally. You don't hate your neighbor like that as just a regular human being is totally manufactured is totally pushed by the media to get people to that point. What do you think's gonna happen to Biden post Trump? Yeah, Alex has to pivot and change the subject because he's talking about exactly what Alex does. You know, he's saying like, Oh, this isn't real. It's not it's not organic. It's

manufactured by the media, the media that you're talking to me. I'm saying that we should kill all the Democrats. I've said that before. I've said that they are all in service of the literal Christian devil. Are you saying that the other side dehumanizes their opponents because if they do, I mean, I want to sue them for intellectual property is outrageous. They're just using each other and the end result is just no, I just so the media has a vested interest in making, you know, the people who are a threat to the media and their enemies. They want these groups to look scarier than they are. Right? Yeah. I'd like to remind you before we listen to this clip that Alex spent most of the first hour of the show talking grotesquely about how his imaginary

enemies abuse and kill and eat children in ways that were so graphic and exploitative that I refuse to play them on our show. Yeah. I'm not defending white supremacists. I've actually been around some of them. The average one though thinks they're a victim and thinks everybody's out to and actually is not what the media even says. I'm not defending them, but I've talked to them. They actually believe something totally different as well. So it seems like what we're hearing about each group is not actually what's going on. No, yeah, because they intentionally want everyone to look scarier and more dangerous and more evil than they actually are. They don't they don't want, you know, because before if you go back, it's very much kind of like to kill a Mockingbird bird.

And you know, the whole thing with Boo Radley of they just want to take someone who might be a little weird or might be wrong and they want to make them look like a demon. They wanted to make them look like a devil. I agree. So what's the answer to ending? What we wouldn't we get boogaloo's, militias, the KKK and Black Lives Matter all at a barbecue. And I would guess at the end of it, most people will be friends. You have still people trying to start a fight. I would guess that they would not necessarily be friends. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. I think we just proved karma isn't real. Huh? I don't think there's a God. I don't think there's any punishment or retribution or justice in the universe because those two guys are allowed to speak on air.

Well, there's a part of me that really sincerely wonders as I listen to this. If Magnus wasn't saying these things as a sort of pointed thing to Alex, yeah, like there was a part of me that wondered if like he knew that this is what Alex does and was saying it for that purpose. It's weird because these two guests, Magnus and Steve, are both manipulating the shit out of Alex and using techniques that Alex can't really respond to. He doesn't have the wherewithal. No. And it's interesting to see like the old generation and then the new generation just abusing Alex over this dumb, dumb use him for all these worth. What an idiot. So there is a Antifa member who's going by a pseudonym. Sure. On along with with Magnus on T fascist

and I don't I don't care. No, I don't really care. I agree. What? What? No, actually, I just listen to a Boogaloo boy lie to my face. So even though I know in his heart he wants to see me bleed to death. So I really don't care what the person sitting next to him says either. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I'm not particularly interested. I don't know who this person is. They're using a fake name. They're wearing a mask when they're talking. Oh, well, then it doesn't mean anything at all. But and the stuff that they're saying is like really not very controversial and it doesn't start a fight. It's just like, yeah, we're against corporate cover that corporate world corporations are whatever. It's it's very mild. And Alex doesn't really

like take issue with much. I don't know. It was disappointing much like the Steve interview. And so here's Alex's final suggestion. I would love to see Antifa and the Proud Boys have a summit together. My god, I'd have 50 million views online. The big tech let it out there. It actually just end all this stupidity. This cuts to the heart of so much of Alex's politics being meaningless and empty. He would love to see a summit between the Proud Boys and Antifa because he thinks it would go viral. How long? What month is it? March, February, February. What year is it? 2021. I won that one. No, you said it before I finished 2021. That's true. You're right. Damn it. And how long ago did violent fascists try to overthrow the United States

government? A couple of weeks. Okay. Now I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the people on the right who are saying we should have summits are doing that more for their benefit than ours. Yeah, probably. I'm going to go with that. But but even beyond that, Alex can only see this through the lens of like what would be attention grabbing. Totally, totally. Steve, let's get you to do a show with with David Knight, not because that would bring anything to the world, not because we would get any greater understanding or information out of that dynamic, but because you guys would fight and it would draw attention. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be great. Everybody'd love it. I saw this boogaloo boy guy get interviewed on Jimmy Doar's show. It got a lot of attention. So I reached out

to him because I wanted some of that attention. Right. See, personally, I have always thought that the best form of governance would happen in the WWE writers room. So naturally, I assumed that's a dictatorship. No, no, no. See what happens is the government should be a giant spectacle that never accomplishes anything and resets to new narratives every now and again. But I don't think I don't. I don't think that's what the WWE writers rooms like. I think it's Vincent McMahon hitting everyone over the head with a stick and saying, no, no. Oh, so you so that would be very similar to what it is that happened when the professional wrestling took over the government somewhat. Yeah. So we've, we've, we come to the end and I feel disappointed

in everybody. Yeah. I feel disappointed in life. I'm disappointed in everyone but you and our audience and maybe a few select people in the world, but everybody that I'm looking at here, a random Antifa person, quote unquote, Magnus, Alex, Steve Pachanik. The only person I don't feel all that bad about is Steve Pachanik's wife. That's because I don't know anything about her. And all I do is hear her laugh. She seems to be having a great time. Yeah. She seems to enjoying the shit out of this. I'm sure I'm sure if I knew anything about her, I would, I would have some issues. She's just there for the company. You know, when you get, when you get older, it's a, you're just like being around somebody. Yeah. I want to live alone.

Yeah. So I just, I wanted more. But we, you know, you get what you get. I want an apology. I would like an apology. I feel like that's not unreasonable to ask. I don't, I don't think it's unreasonable, but I don't think you're ever going to get it because we have entered like an even, the thing that's, it's not even disappointment. It's disorientation. Cause I think on, on some level, this represents a new level of not reality we're living in. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is beyond not reality. This is creating a not reality on top of the not reality that didn't happen. There's a not reality to info wars and Alex Jones's narratives about the world. And it's one thing to kind of like see like, ah, this is Alex trying to

maintain that not reality. Now you have Steve introducing the secondary layer of non reality on top of Alex's non reality. And it's, it's disorienting. And you would think that Alex would want to fight to maintain control of his non reality. But he doesn't, he doesn't seem able to. Nope. And it's weird. Yeah. I would, I think that's actually my new position, my new and major position. I will absolutely reach out across the aisle when I get an apology. I would like, I will happy to be happy to do that. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I think that most people would, I would like a direct apology and from every individual. Oh, well, then I will reach out across the aisle to that single individual. That might be tough. I don't think you're going to

get that. I would like one, but you know what the audience is going to get another episode next time. Nice transition. But until then, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. We're also on Twitter. We are Twitter. $10.00. We're fighting back out of Ed Jordan. We are. If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out those doing God's work. Yeah, we'll be back. But until then I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. I'm the guy who's in charge of telling Alex when his callers up, I fucked up. I got fired. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.