Knowledge Fight - #535: October 16, 2014

Episode Date: February 27, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan go on a time travel adventure to enjoy a chat between Alex Jones and Steve Pieczenik from years past. In this installment, the gents learn of the Poop Bandits, enjoy an Alex Movie Review, and find shocking connections between the past and present.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Tanzas. Andy and Tanzas. Stop it. Andy and Tanzas. Andy and Tanzas. Andy and Tanzas. Andy and Tanzas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no. Knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is a combination of two of my great loves as people

who listen to the podcast regularly. Eagle-eared listeners will know. Sure. I have been on a little bit of a rice adventure. Mochi, certainly, the forbidden rice. That is unforbidden. Yes. No, it's forbidden. Oh, it's still forbidden. Oh, it's re-forbidden? Shit. And I'm out of there. Sort of a little bit of the past love of mine, which is a vinegar. Yes. Again, very into vinegar. I didn't know that you could, maybe you're supposed to put vinegar in rice when you're cooking it. I did not know that either. I don't know if you're supposed to, but some people recommend that you do it. So I put some vinegar, some fancy garlic vinegar in with some rice I was cooking last night. All right. All right. Pretty good. Two great flavors that go great together, Dan. Yep.

Can't be a hundred percent certain it was that much better, but it smelled like a garlic while it was cooking. Well, that's fun. Yes, that helps. Yeah. There's no problem there. It felt like I was doing something and that really counts for a lot. Yeah. I think cooking alchemy is a good feeling. Yeah, definitely. So I had a pretty nice time with that, making up some rice and vegetables last night. That's nice. Yeah. How about you, Dan? My bright spot is that we are doing this episode at all in a very short period of time. You're not fired. You turned around an episode, which was amazing. Well, we've had a, we've had a weird couple of days kind of. Yeah. We, we set out to play initially was because I had a kind of a strange schedule and a little bit of a,

I need a little bit of a step back kind of feel. So I asked you to cover Friday. Yep. Two episodes for Friday. I put together an episode. You did. And we recorded it. Two hours. And it was okay. Yeah. It was thoroughly okay. It was a very interesting exploration of some guys on YouTube. I gave it a shot. Yeah. I realized that there was like, you know, a lot of sort of monotony going on with Alex and it would be a good time to take a little bit of a break. Sure. See something else. And I don't know if I'm really capable of finding new things anymore. Like I brought Alex and Project Camelot to the table and I'm thrilled that those have worked in Bill Cooper to some extent, but like some of my other efforts have

not been great. And so I wanted to form it out to you. And I think you found something, no spoilers. It's not possible to spoil. It's already been spoiled. I was thinking we should just release it the way it was with a half hour that's recorded and then two hours of dead silence. No, I mean, it's not dead silence. And then call it, Jordan crashed the car. Yes, Jordan. Get away from the wheel. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So we recorded it and somehow, you know, tech glitch. Yeah. Something happened. There's audio of us talking for the first half hour. And then after that point, it's just the drops. That's almost that's almost like one of those coloring book prompts, you know, like, Hey, you guys listen to the first half hour of us talking and then fill in the rest whenever

you feel like you know what we're going to say. You got it. Try your make your own knowledge fight. There's going to be 20 minute stretches where there's nothing. There's no audio. Have a nice little chat. That's for meditating. Find you. Yeah. Center. So in a period of mere hours, you've put together another episode for us to release there by wiping away my failure, only for us to share it for the rest of no one will ever know. No one will ever know. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Hey, man, I don't want you to feel too bad about anything. It happens. Yeah. It's not your fault. I think the only problem really is that puts me at like, what, one out of every five episodes I do disappears that would wipe off 100 episodes from our tally. So

it's a good thing you run it. Yeah. I'm more used to the sort of troubleshooting, knowing when something's wrong and that kind of thing. And I think that, you know, it's no big deal. I feel bad for the listeners and for you because, you know, you did bring something interesting to the, to the table. Yeah. And maybe, you know, maybe there's something that we'll get back into later, but certainly not that episode. So we can't redo it. Can't redo that one. No. Now that one was baffling enough as it is, let alone trying to do it again. Yeah. Yep. Lost episode. Oh, well. So Jordan, today we have an interesting thing to go over that I have scrounged up. Yes. Today we're going to be talking about October 16th, 2014. Double down. Oh, shit. Double down on 14. What's a

double down? Like in a blackjack table. Jesus Christ. You have thought, you thought of that last night. Maybe this morning while I was laying in bed. There's no way I was supposed to pick up on that one. Yeah. Also bad advice. Don't double down on 14. No. Very bad blackjack head. Well, I guess it depends on what the dealer has. But, um, yeah. So I decided I wanted to go back, uh, to a time before Alex was, uh, quite as, I don't know, overtly amphetamine down. Sure. For, uh, before the time of Trump, I wanted to get a little bit more of a taste of that. Sure. Um, I just sort of scrolled around randomly and I saw, uh, a name in the, in the description of the episode. I'm like, all right, here we go. And, uh, actually I was listening to this. It is

hauntingly appropriate. Really? Yes. You're a witch. Yes. I think we've done this too many times for you not to be officially a witch. Yeah. I think this might boost some of my credibility as a witch either that or nothing ever, ever changes and it is all the same or everything is the reverse of always the same. Yeah. Uh, so I'm excited to get down to business on this episode, but before we do Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are, uh, wonking it up. That's a good idea. So first, uh, this is a two named person. This is a very exciting, uh, rare double alias, but they're both good. So I'm going to allow it. All right. The first is North Korean ballot boat. Hell yeah. Uh, piloted by the skipper, Roger Stone.

Um, and the other is private chef of Alex's wife's tennis partner. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, captain details. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Person. I'm not good at emulating. Next, Caitlin Dingo girl. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Caitlin. Thank you. Next, Nutzak, father of Theo Parker and Tucker. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next, Adriana chrome. Annie. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Adriana chrome. Annie. Do you prefer Adriana chrome or Adriana chrome? I prefer Adriana

chrome. I think Dren has a nice little more dreadful feel to it. You know what I'm saying? It has a sort of, uh, uh, phonem similarity. Yeah. It feels good. I prefer Adriana chrome. Really? Why? It seems classier. Well, yes, I see. We have a, uh, that clearly illuminates the differences between our personalities. Sure. Next, uh, glitch the cat. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, glitch. I go. And finally, like I say, thank you to someone who is now a technocrat. So thank you so much. Raptor King William the Impaler. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right.

Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much. Raptor King William the Impaler. Yes. Thank you very much. RKWI. Um, you don't go with the tea in a, I've never put in an abbreviation. We can agree to disagree on that. Always put, uh, no, what about that? So what about articles never go in? Okay. So Game of Thrones is GT. Uh, yeah. Not got. What? There's a reason. Oh, is lowercase in that. Oh, is simply there. Everyone abbreviates Game of Thrones as GOT. Yeah. And maybe they should. Okay. Yeah. Um, hey, Jordan, let me ask you a question. What's up? Um, do you, uh, you ever get spanked on your birthday? You ever get birthday spanked?

Have I ever been birthday spanked? I think I was birthday spanked one time as, as like a 11 or 12 year old and everyone immediately went, no, this wasn't a good idea. That's got to be really weird because like you, you know, you didn't on your 10th birthday. It's not like it happened up till then. So it was just a new innovation. Somebody, it was, it was very much like somebody at my birthday party had just heard of birthday spankings and was real excited to try it out. Like, oh, this will be a new thing. And everybody stopped and was just like, no, what is, no. I don't think I have ever, I don't think that is ever spankings have ever been a fun thing in our family. I don't think it was ever playful. No, that's probably, uh, that's true of

my family. Yeah. Um, but, uh, there are some people who are celebrating a birthday. Okay. Well, let's spank the shit out of them. Like to give them a little bit of a spanking by way. All wonks line up. Wait a second. All wonks line up for the birthday spanking. I think I might have gone down the wrong road with this setup, but, um, uh, earlier this week on Monday, Pat had a birthday and wanted to say happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Pat. Sorry, we missed that on Monday, but, uh, I'm not great with inboxes. Also tomorrow. Uh-huh. Greg G out in Cary, NC, North Carolina. Yeah. All right. Having a birthday. Happy birthday, Greg. Happy birthday. I hope you're having a good one out there. And I hope, uh, Pat,

you had a great one on Monday. I have a birthday. Happy. Happy birthday. Blow out those candles, make a wish. Spanks all around. I was trying to transition to candle talking to spanking because I realized it's a little weird. Well, what you going to do? Uh, I'm going to get into this episode. That's a good transition. So Jordan, October 16th, 2014. What do you know was going on around that time? What do you, what do you got? You have a feeling? Let's see. Um, 2014, I would have just woken up from a three year sleep, uh, or, or a fugue state, if you will. Uh, Rip Van Winkle over here. So, so I was just welcoming awareness once again, and I had moved to Bloomingdale, Illinois. Uh, gorgeous, uh, one bedroom apartment. Uh, this episode is

shockingly mostly about, uh, residential pricing in Bloomingdale. All I'm saying is those are the only things I remember from 2014. This is surprisingly right in your wheelhouse. I may be a witch. Excellent. No. Um, in October, uh, it was a Ebola season. Oh, it was during the middle of the, uh, period where, uh, there were a couple cases of Ebola here in the United States. Yeah. The primary patient, uh, the first patient that came into the United States had passed away. Yeah. And, uh, we are right on the cusp of the second nurse who had treated him, uh, has been diagnosed now, uh, with Ebola. So this was, so we're remembering when a possible pandemic was averted. Yeah. Yeah. And it, uh, we have done an episode, uh, I think two years ago, uh, about

the first day, uh, when there was a case in the United States and Alex's response to it. And it's really interesting to take a little bit of a look and see, um, what is going on a couple weeks later. Sure. You know, and it's. Absolutely. I mean, did he go, did he go from there, if there will be lone survivors back to there's no problem at all? It's interesting. Um, I would say his trajectory has a lot of similarities and a lot of differences. Yeah. Uh, and that's what made this particularly fascinating for me. So here we go. We're going to start off with him, uh, talking about some sort of furious narratives. I'm your host, Alex Jones. They are telling 911 dispatchers. Fox television of DC is reporting not to say Ebola over the radio or when they're basically talking

about a call that they're on. We have Obama saying there's nothing to fear that it's a low probability that an epidemic will start in the U S even as we learn that the second nurse to contract Ebola traveled all over the place on aircraft and that the plane was not even cleaned. That is wiped down. They picked up the trash on the floor, but not a deep clean for five more flights after she was on it. Five more flights. So this story that Alex is opening the show with about the 911 dispatcher is not being allowed to say Ebola on the radio is not from Fox DC. Fox DC did run a story about it with the headline that Alex is reading, but that article is just a link to the original story, which is from the New York Post. The reasoning behind this

trustworthy New York post this, but the reasoning makes total sense. There's tons of people who aren't first responders who listen in on emergency radio channels and you could easily imagine how panic could break out. If every call that came in where someone was worried that they had Ebola was misinterpreted by someone listening in as a definite or probable case, you could, people would lose their minds. You know, you could, you could really do some damage. Did you know that words can have an effect in real life? That's weird. If you actually read the New York Post article, this is exactly what it's about. A source speaking to the post said, quote, just like you can't say bomb on an airplane,

we can't say Ebola. Back in the 80s and 90s, taking universal precautions meant someone had AIDS. We weren't allowed to say AIDS then either. Dr. J. Varma, the deputy commissioner, the city department of health gave some idea of how many opportunities there have been for false panics to start. Quote, we have now had about 133 calls since July concerning patients with possibly Ebola symptoms and all 133 were false alarms. That's a well alarming. Yeah. And people listening in could have taken any one of those 133 and like tried to present it as like, look, look at all these people. They're covering up all these cases. You know, it'd be could be really dangerous. You could definitely get into a fear mongering panic where somebody like Alex

Jones convinces you that you need to buy survival food. Yeah. So from an emergency response perspective, I do see how it could be best practices to, to use language that wouldn't necessarily be exploitable by people who may have ill will and are listening in on your communications. Right. Which is unfortunate because boy, it would be nice if we were just allowed to say words, you know, or even, even let me, let me even walk what I'm saying back. It's not even necessarily people ill will. Like some people could just get confused or just panic entirely. It's already be paranoid. Yeah. Yeah. So as for that nurse story, that was true sort of it's true that she did fly. Sure. The day before she was diagnosed with Ebola.

But experts don't believe that it was as big a deal as it sounds. The first reason is that at the time of her flying, she wasn't exhibiting symptoms that would put people at high risk like vomiting. Even so, Thomas Frieden, then the director of the CDC was clear that quote, she should not have flown on a commercial airplane. And he immediately put in place guidelines that anyone who had been exposed to somebody with Ebola would only travel by way of controlled movement like private flights and chartered vehicles. Whoa, whoa, whoa, immediate. Well, prior to that, this was just recommended by the CDC. But after quote, the agency would work with state and local authorities to enforce this restriction. I found Washington Post article about this, and it seems to directly contradict

Alex's claims about there being five more flights before the plane was cleaned. From that article, quote, the plane, Vinton, that's the nurse, traveled on, arrived in Dallas at 816 p.m. on Monday, and remained overnight because it was done with flights for that day. And then when we found out she had Ebola, we blew that shit to the moon. We exploded it all over the fucking place. After that, the plane received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures before resuming service Tuesday frontier said in a statement, I was able to find the article that Alex is misrepresenting. There was a piece in the Denver Post of the headline, quote, emails out to passengers on five frontier flights after Ebola patient flew. As it turns out, the airline did send notification

to the people who were on the same plane that the nurse had flown on. But it wasn't because they hadn't cleaned it. It was out of an abundance of caution. The plane had been cleaned. But later, the nurse was diagnosed with Ebola. And by that point that anyone knew anything, the plane had already flown five additional flights the next day. Informing the customers is definitely the right thing to do in terms of having making sure everyone's informed totally. Even if you followed every preventative appropriate step, you it's still above board to tell people. Yeah, they can make their own choices from a health care perspective. No, and not telling people would be a far greater scandal for you. Yeah, you know, if everybody found out a week later, they'd be like,

fuck you guys. Yeah, it would be wrong. Yeah, be negligent. Yep. This article points out that after this nurse was diagnosed, the plane was going to undergo even further cleaning, quote, including replacement of seat covers and carpet in the vicinity of the passengers seat. But this still doesn't support Alex's all they did was pick up trash. Sure. Sure. I think he's just trying to scare people. Yeah, I think we should. I think we should treat all diseases like the Velveteen rabbit and just immediately burn everything involved everywhere. I think that might be going a little bit. The plane pendulum, the other direction, everything, the whole place. Yeah, all stocks and bonds in the airline. We've seen what it's like to live through a pan pandemic.

We have not seen what it's like to burn everything to the ground in case one starts. Yeah, I'm just saying that we should go the other direction. You make some interesting points. I would love to live in a world where we still have a pandemic and then also everything is burning. Great. That would be a that would probably be an issue. You're probably right. So Alex is covering this news and I will say he has a classy take. Okay. He's dealing with things in a really okay. Just a newsman. Okay. We are the Ebola vomit bag. The Obama, excuse me, Ebola toilet. You know, memes are very, very powerful. And that's why we've launched this contest. It's only running for another week.

To go to info wars.com, forward slash contest, print off the flyers, hang them up, shoot video of it, send us the video, we'll post it. And then a week later on Halloween, I will announce the winner. Hashtag Ebola contest. Oh boy. Wow. Hashtag Ebola. Wow. Hashtag Ebola contest. And its contest, as best I can tell, is he has posters that are advertising for info wars. Yeah. And you record yourself putting them up places or something. I think this is a weird contest. I think it's just, hey, could you be my street team? I think what we've realized here is that Alex is paid by big disease in order to spread disease. Man, it's really weird. You would think that somebody engaging responsibly with the topics they were covering wouldn't be like, Hey, let me try and

use this as a cheap stunt meme promotional opportunity. Here's a possible pandemic that could murder and incapacitate millions of people. We need a contest to advertise my shit based on that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good dude. Yep. So to Alex's credit or not, I'm not sure. I'll let you decide. He doesn't spend the entire show talking about Ebola. Well, that's nice. He also gets around to some nonsense narratives about how Christians are under attack. Oh, that's good. We have just absolutely over the top important news on the Ebola front, on the economic front, on the Second Amendment front, on the police state front with Houston, literally trying to intimidate churches and do not giving sermons that criticize transsexual behavior or homosexuality.

And a lot of libertarian groups have been coming out. And even though they are open to other lifestyles because of libertarians, they are defending these preachers because if you're going to have your right to live the way you want, somebody else has to have their right to live and speak as they see fit. Flaming authoritarianism pun intended out of the Houston mayor and the rest of at best. That's wordplay. Shoeing churches. This is what Europe and Canada are doing. This is the model. Everything you see with political correctness out of Europe and Canada is coming here. They arrest preachers that criticize homosexuality. So this isn't going to surprise you, but Alex is lying about this story. I'm not

surprised. Here's what happened. In 2014, Houston passed an equal rights ordinance that included protections for members of the LGBTQ community in terms of housing, employment and what have you. This was on the vanguard of the right wing panic about trans people in bathrooms. So one of the hot button issues was that according to an article in the Washington Post, quote, transgender people barred access to a restroom would be able to file a discrimination complaint. Right. It's worth noting that religious entities were also exempted from this ruling so they weren't even so they weren't even involved. Right. A group of citizens filed a lawsuit aimed at repealing the ordinance and as part of that lawsuit, quote, city attorneys issued subpoenas to five local pastors during the

case's discovery phase. These pastors were alleged to have connections to the people who filed the lawsuit and were active in the effort to repeal the ordinance. So the attorneys requested, quote, all speeches, presentations or sermons related to hero. That's the ordinance. Right. The petition, Mayor Anise Parker, homosexuality or gender identity prepared by, delivered by, revised by or approved by you or in your possession. Sure. The question that was being posed by the subpoenas were whether or not these pastors were using their churches as political organizing grounds, which would put their tax exempt status in jeopardy. Right. Since Texas exempt churches, quote, are not allowed to engage in partisan politics. Yeah. By October 16th, the

day that Alex is here on air, controversy had been raging about this and the subpoena was revised to just ask for, quote, all speeches or presentations related to hero or the petition prepared by, delivered by, revised by or approved by you or in your possession. Right. And as we know now that we live in the future, the government really cracked down on that and churches were no longer allowed to advocate for political positions from the pulpit. That would just be wrong, Dan. Right. Didn't you see so many churches across this country after Trump was elected? Didn't you see them lose their 501 C three status all over the place for advocating for political positions? I, I, it's just terrible. Anyway, this is a complex topic that gets into a

lot of those issues more than anything else. Yeah. And you know, you could make an, an argument that there was overreach and over broadness in terms of the subpoenas that were put out by the city attorneys. Oh, sure. I think that is a fair position you could take. And I, but Alex is reporting this as like they're suing these churches. No, no, someone sued the city and the city is doing discovery. Yeah. Anyway, he just wants to take this and you know, he wants to boil it down into a misrepresentation that's easier for his audience to understand and more importantly, be mad about, yeah, just trying to beg it about fucking out of control PC culture. It's nonsense. It would be nice if Christ had lived and just been super cool

because then maybe Christians wouldn't constantly feel like playing the victim is the only way to deal with life. I don't know. What if Christ was just a cool dude? What if Christ was just like the Buddha and he got old and everybody was like, man, you kicked ass. Good work. That would be great. He invented hang loose. Yeah, exactly. First person to say Cowabunga. So Jordan, I gotta say one of the things I didn't expect on this episode as I was getting into it because you know, Bola is a pretty big topic and it certainly has mirrors and echoes in our current COVID-19 situation, but I didn't expect as a large portion of this episode would end up becoming a movie review that I believe and did expect. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised. But is he still on

oblivion? No, okay. The movie review is about the movie kill the messenger about Gary Webb. Okay, it's very personal for Alex. Okay, because he apparently knew Gary Webb. Oh, I did not know that. No, this might be a little too personal. Okay, Alex seems to be dealing with some stuff after watching this movie. Okay, and he might make a like a confession that first of all, I don't believe is true. But if true proves that Alex Jones is the worst fucking outlaw radio truth teller whistleblower guy, listen to this bullshit. I went and saw kill the messenger last night, and I expected it to be a whitewash. I expected it to, you know, imply that he killed himself. And it was absolute truth. Because I remember Gary Webb been on the show more than 10

times. I had all these incredible conversations with Gary Webb off air. He wanted me to build a website for him. He sent me all these documents that the CIA had broken in his house a bunch to try to get. Oh, I was too busy making films and making babies with my wife. I remember he called back the last time I talked to him a few months before he committed suicide. And he said, Hey, man, Alex, I thought you had the courage to put this up and do something. I said, Yeah, there's thousands of pages of this stuff. And a lot of this is court records and stuff. And I go, I guess I'll put it out because I thought you've got balls. I mean, these are epic conversations I have with Gary Webb. Now I hit movie out about him and it was so surreal to be sitting there in the movie theater.

I ignored that guy and knowing his whole story and it was so accurate. I am baffled by this movie review. I think there's a small part of Alex's pissed off that he's not in the movie. Yeah. And then second, it's very weird that he's like, Yeah, you know what? I had that dude giving me all this secret documentation that the CIA was trying to kill him for having. I was busy. I was making babies with my wife. So I wasn't interested in those thousands of CIA coveted documents that would blow the lid off of everything. But come on, guys. She's ovulating. What am I going to do? I do think this isn't true. No. Like I think that his story is not true, but it's interesting the way he gets himself off the hook for having not broken things. Yeah.

Like I was busy as making documentaries. I was busy breaking other stories. I didn't have time for this. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. In the beginning, I thought I heard him say, I thought they were going to whitewash it and heavily imply that he did commit suicide, which he did. And then he said, which suggests to me that he thinks he didn't. He did. Yeah. Alex thinks that he didn't. But then later on, he said a few days before he committed suicide. Right. Okay. Yep. All right. So yeah. Okay. That might have just been Alex's like sort of subconscious sneaking through and being like, you know, you know, he killed. He wasn't murdered, man. So, you know, one of the reasons I think this is all bullshit is this. I'm not even here bragging. Oh my gosh,

this show is important. I felt incredibly guilty that I don't even know where that disc is, that CD-ROM that I opened up. And it was just, I don't even know how to process all this stuff. I need to tear apart our storage buildings and find that. And then I don't even want to talk about how I had that. Killing people over this stuff. And then I went and searched last night when I got home. I went to bed and I woke up in the middle of the night and went and searched for like an hour at 3 a.m. 4 a.m. And I couldn't even find one interview I did with Gary Webb. Kind of makes me think maybe you didn't interview him. I mean, I bet he did. I could see that absolutely having happened. Yeah. But like, I wonder at a certain point, you kind of got to

wonder, it's like, are you, did you imagine all of this? Did you dream this? Yeah. Did you have a like quiet conversation with Gary Webb in your head? Yeah. You know, like you have the CIA to kill anybody who has all this information. Sure. And like Alex has the CD-ROM that Gary Webb had given him. Right. He was following him. They wouldn't know that he made the handoff with Alex. Absolutely. But the CIA is like, fuck it. Alex is just going to lose it. Come on. Come on. He's got a, it's in an AOL sheath. Yeah. We don't need to worry about that. That fucking dude doesn't even have a file cabinet. Look, I was surveilling him the other night. He's just too busy fucking his wife. They're trying to make babies. I'm sorry. He just doesn't have time to expose us. It's not

even like that disk. It's not even in an AOL sleeve. It's in a Moody Booze album cover that he is just, he's lost. He's never going to find that thing. It's a 16-bit floppy. That's what he's got. This is weird. I don't know. I put myself even in the foot shoes, the foot shoes. The foot shoes of Alex. I imagine there was only one set of foot shoes. That's when I was carrying you. That's when I was carrying Gary Webb. I feel like if there was a bone of authenticity in Alex's body, the second that the guy who wrote Dark Alliance is giving you a CD of secret documents. Yeah. You drop everything. Yeah. This is a priority. Do you remember when Snowden released shit? Every news organization was like, okay, we're going to put 15 people on this. We're all

going to read every single one of these documents and we're going to write stories about it immediately. Greenwald wasn't like, I'm making police state 2000. I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. I'm adopting kids with, yeah. Yeah. What am I supposed to do? Have you ever tried to adopt kids in America from Brazil? I don't want to shit on the idea of prioritizing family and what have you. That's all good. But if you're somebody who fancies yourself an investigative journalist whose mission it is to get to the bottom of the nefarious doings of the globalists, this behavior strikes me as very out of character. Hey, the tip of the spear was busy elsewhere. If you know what I'm saying, that spear was a. So there's a sense that I got from

listening to this that like Alex seems to think that that movie might be about him and then watching how they demonized him and how they tried to kill his name before they physically killed him and experiencing a lot of this myself. It was a surreal. I've never gone and seen a movie where from what I know, it was so incredibly accurate and so incredibly sad. And then I resonated with it because they always make it about the individual. If they can't disprove your facts, they just demonize and destroy the individual themselves. And I got a sick feeling in my stomach as I realized that the clocks just tick until they come and shoot me in the head twice or plant drugs on me or shoot me at a checkpoint

or something. And it just, it made me sad to watch all the cowards, his editors and like you, you literally said that you didn't have Jesus Christ. Oh, I'm so sad for watching his cowards. He gave all those documents to those editors and they didn't do shit with them. They told him we're not going to put those out. He gave a CD-ROM to every one of his editors. A little bit of an asshole. A little bit of an asshole-ish review. I mean, I was just out of, I was just doing a documentary. Sure. I'm not a coward. Hey, look, I don't get into Shadowgate. Yeah, exactly. Look, I don't get into that kind of deep shit. Turns out that behavior is a pretty consistent thrice career. I think he might be faking a lot of this. I think he might be.

So we get back to Ebola here and this clip to me was actually one of the more interesting the glimpses into how Alex operates in these circumstances. The people that are supposed to be cleaning the aircraft are told that they can't wear masks and gloves. Aircraft coming in out of West Africa in some cases with vomit in them because it'll quote scare people. We're going to get to those articles in a moment. Experts offer steps for avoiding public hysteria, a different contagious threat. So we've been talking about the hysteria being a bigger problem than Ebola itself. Well, now the New York Times is reporting on it today. I just thought that the juxtaposition of those two stories is fascinating. And the first one,

Alex is claiming that vomit-filled airplanes are arriving in the United States from West Africa and not being cleaned. Obviously trying to create the impression in his audience's mind there are so many more cases of Ebola in the United States than we're being told. Correct. This is a narrative that can really only lead to people freaking out and behaving irrationally. Right. But the New York Times says that freaking out in hysteria is just as bad as the Ebola. And Alex, you know, he's saying then that Infowars has been saying all along that public hysteria is a bigger problem. Don't freak out about this. Yeah. Ebola is everywhere, but freaking out is crazy. Yeah. How can he possibly not understand that

everything he does exists only to heighten hysteria? Yeah. Yelling about how the border is wide open and vomit planes are arriving is not only factually untrue, but it's also designed to scare people. Alex understands that. And it's one of the things that he does on his show that I think is incredibly abusive. It's that trying to push and pull simultaneously in people's minds. And it's not good. No, he's in a weird, almost like experiment of if his experiment to me of like listening to his show would be somebody sitting in a chair like strapped down and every five minutes, just a little jolt is given to the emotional center of their brain. And you just have to sit there for four hours and feel this constant emotional pressure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

In my experience, I don't think that's not wrong. It's not that far off. I disconnect from it. So it doesn't affect me as much listening to it. But yeah, move that little part of your brain. I imagine that that part of the brain would be very antagonized if you believed anything he said. Yeah, totally. And since I don't, I'm a little bit immune. You got rubber on your brain. Yeah. Alex is kind of right in some sense that public hysteria is a very serious concern when it comes to public health matters. It's just that in this case, he's one of the most hysterical voices you can imagine. It's nonsense. No, and it's it's cruel. It's cruel to be like, hey, nobody hysteria is crazy and you're going to die. Like, okay, man, maybe not. You won't die. Maybe not. But the

government's killing you. But maybe not. Now hold on. What's up? I thought listening to the original episode about this period of time and the Ebola situation and listening to the beginning of this episode, I thought, you know, this is horrible. This is irresponsible. And then I think it's kind of tasteless to have this Ebola meme contest. Right, right, right. But I didn't think it was that weird. It's not weird enough for Alex Jones. Here's where it gets weird. Okay, good. They'd first said that it was her fault and she shouldn't have done it. But now it's admitted in NBC News that Ebola patient who can contact at the CDC before flight agency says was told that she could fly even though she was an Ebola nurse and even though she told

him she had a fever. Well, by the way, I treated the guy that has Ebola and I'm sick. Can I fly? You can fly. That's like saying my dog has rabies and is foaming at the mouth. Should I put it into a schoolyard of kids? Yes, put the dog with rabies into the schoolyard or I found a bat crawling around hissing on the ground. Should I pick it up and kiss it? Yes, that's a good idea. Okay. There's a cliff by my house a thousand feet to the jagged bottom. Should I jump off without a parachute? Yes, jump off immediately. Ring. Hi, I'm a nurse that treated the Ebola patient CDC. Uh huh. Yeah, we know who you are. Yeah, you're over the news. Yeah. I'm gonna fly. Of course, this time wasn't on the news. Just been around an Ebola patient. So I was reading an Ebola patient.

I'm going to fly. I have a fever. Oh, but dearie, that's a great idea. They're not just turning off the defaults. They're sending the Ebola kids to school. They're not cleaning up the apartment. Something weird is going on and why are nurses getting it? But the family isn't getting it. Either they're covering up that they have it or it's what that CIA whistleblower said back in the middle of last month here, Mr. Steele. It was to cue that clip up later. He said he believed they would release a biological simulant that wasn't Ebola, but would make people sick or even kill them to create a false flag. It's a false flag. Possibly. Hold on. Is that Mr. Steele our buddy? That's Robert David Steele.

Oh, yeah, it is. Oh, yeah, it is. I was about to say, yep, that one's got the multiple time project Camelot gas to Alex had to disavow after he claimed on Info Wars that the globalist had children enslaved on Mars bases. Robert David Steele. That dude's credibility is incredibly low. Yeah. Well, you know what? When you can't disprove his facts, Dan, you try and go after the guy and I can clearly see you just taking this to a personal place. You can't prove that it's not a bio weapon. Sure. Not my job. Yeah. Steele had been on Alex's show in September to speculate about the possibility of a false flag Ebola attack. But the fact that he was creating narratives about Ebola at that point, isn't it really all that weird? The first case in West Africa from

this outbreak was reported in December, 2013. And by March, 2014, there was spreading happening. By July, it had reached the capital cities of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. And according to the CDC, quote, this was the first time Ebola extended out from more isolated rural areas and into densely populated urban centers, providing an unprecedented opportunity for transmission. So Ebola is on the brain as far as any infectious disease is concerned. Yeah. By August, there were Ebola scares being reported to hospitals in the United States. According to the advisory board's timeline, quote, before the end of the month, more than 60 hospitals reported some type of scare to the CDC, but none of the tests sent to the agency

returned positive for the virus. So at this point, it was in people's minds. Right. All right. No, that's what you would be talking about. If you were going to say there's a infectious disease coming to the United States, you're going to say a 100% what you would do. Yeah, you're not going to be like, it's the flu. No, everybody's thinking about Ebola and is worried about Robert David Steele had every reason to shoot the shot when he did. There was growing insecurity around the outbreak and it was affecting the psyche of the American public. If a case did end up coming to the United States, he would look like he was way ahead of the story and he had a narrative in place. If no case ever arrived here, he could just ignore it or claim that the globalists decided

to go a different way with their evil plans. There's no downside to this kind of spitballing in a consequence free environment. Yeah, exactly. As for the story about the nurse on the plane, Alex isn't making up that NBC News reported that she did in fact check in with the CDC before getting on the plane. The problem is that Alex is acting like the CDC has a staff of like 12 people and everyone knows everything that's going on. This very article that Alex is referencing explains how everything happened. At the time, it was believed that this nurse had worn all the appropriate protective gear and as such, she was considered a lower risk category of person technically titled quote uncertain risk. Before she flew, the nurse called the CDC and talked to a staffer who quote

looked on the agency's website for guidance. The spokesman spokesperson said the category for uncertain risk has guidance saying a person could fly commercially if they did not meet the threshold of a temperature of 100.4. She had a slight fever, but it was below that reading. So technically, she wouldn't have been barred from flying. Director Frieden didn't know that she had contacted the CDC when he made his comment that she shouldn't have flown from the NBC News article quote. The spokesperson says he believes Frieden said that said that because it should have been common sense to Vincent that she should not fly with a slight temperature. Even though we have a CDC guideline that says you're fine. Yeah, I mean, look, I don't be wrong. I'm not going to defend

all of that. No, no, no, I'm bungled. I mean, it's it's him kind of saying that the CDC is wrong, not her. Probably. Yeah, we need better guidelines. Yeah, exactly. This guideline is clearly oversight. Yeah, I can't I can't see anything more responsible if you are this person than literally going direct to the CD fucking C. Yeah, not going to the website. I think it also frustrates me a little bit. Staffer went to the website. I don't like that at all. That's not lost on me, that's not good. I don't like that at all. No, seems like maybe in this case, you should have run it up the flagpole. Yeah, yeah, I see no fault of hers at all. I see other than just being like, why are you flying? I see bases being covered in terms of like

clearly no one was acting with like malicious intent. Absolutely not. And there wasn't even like overt negligence. It's just this is how an oversight can happen. Maybe we should revise our guidelines. Yeah, it seems like basically what I'm saying is like if he decisions happened, but it makes sense how everything happened the way it did. There's certainly not enough here to justify speculating this is a false flag outbreak. I would argue the details would suggest anything but a false. Yeah, and Jordan, I don't know. I don't know if you're picking up on this, but from where I'm sitting that sounds hysterical as shit. Ah, why? Look, false flags happen. Honestly, it's more hysteric hysterical for it to not be a false flag

because then it's something surprising. As we know, false flags happen every day. Does this sound hysterical? Let's see. Also, does this sound familiar? Okay, let's continue here. 9-1-1 emergency dispatchers instructed not to say Ebola over the radio. That's out of Fox News DC. They're being told not to create panic and are being given a secret code to describe Ebola. See, the coverup's already on. As I said, Ebola probably is already spreading in the U.S. Right. They had to let it in and let it breed first and then they'll not, you know, they'll say they don't know where it all began or where it started and, oh, it's all Obama's fault. And it's going to bring in a medical tyranny, force inoculation, and the Bill and Melinda Gates

Foundation dedicated to population reduction and the Monsanto vaccine they produced. I'm going to say that again. Bill Gates, we keep warning you about, people are like, why don't you talk about Bill Gates so much? Because I've studied him. He wants to put an Ebola shot in you. You think that's going to be good for you? God, it's exactly the same. Wow. Yeah. Jesus. It's shockingly the same. And that probably felt just as real to his audience in 2014 as it does to people listening to him now. It's outrageous. It's just that circumstances were handled differently. And, of course, Ebola and COVID-19 are different. Yeah. Yeah. They transmit differently. They require different responses. I heard that. I was like, this is amazing. It's just,

it's almost a script. Yeah. It almost felt like you could just take Ebola out and put COVID or coronavirus in, and it would have just been exactly the same. Anything. Anything. It is kind of seven years ago. It is, I think, illustrative of the level of power that Alex and his ilk had in 2014 as opposed to in 2019. That level of influence was far lesser and their effect was far lesser. It's hard not to look at this as a, and it's not, again, they're different diseases. It's not a one-to-one comparison by any stretch, but it is hard not to look at the difference between 2014 and 2019 and think, no one should be held accountable for, at the very least, negligence. This is truly a fucked up thing that people need to be held accountable for.

Well, I think that one of the differences that you see is that people responded kind of more appropriately to people like Alex at that time, or at least people who are actually making decisions and being adults would be like, oh, I don't care. And the president wasn't repeating things Alex said. Yeah. So that's nice. Yeah. And I think, I think, I think it was better. One could make that argument. I've got to. Yeah. I don't think it would be a hard one to convince me of. So now if you're somebody who's, I don't know, in the past and you're listening to Alex and you're taking some of the stuff that he's saying about Ebola seriously, I would say like, maybe you should hear this and be like, I'm going to turn this off. I mean, I hate to get gross here,

but you've heard about the phenomenon in government buildings suddenly that people are peeing on the walls and going to the bathroom and cubby holes and in the hallways, even though the bathrooms are working perfectly fine and smearing it all over the walls. This is what mental patients do. This is what people who are above the law start doing. It's just running around, going to the bathroom as poop bandits as they're known. This is what has now happened. This is what's happening. There's poop bandits. The government is so out of control and drunk on power that they were poop bandits. Hold on. Hold on. I just literally wrote a screenplay. Give me one second. Jesus. So I didn't know what Alex was talking about and this seemed really silly. So I decided to look into it and

see if I could figure it out. Sure. I figured it out. So in late August, 2014, there was, there were some stories going around about a particular EPA office in Denver, which had quote been beset by roughly a dozen suspected incidents of restroom shenanigans since late 2013. According to emails, memorandums and incident reports. Restroom shenanigans. Yes. That's fun. Apparently someone was fucking around and clogging toilets with paper and putting shit in the hallway. Sure. Getting up to all sorts of disgusting nonsense. This was clearly the work of an unstable individual who worked at that office. Who is this fucking guy? But here Alex is reporting this as some kind of proof of the corrupt decadence of the government elites. They're so bored of

being tyrants that there's a new phenomenon of everyone shitting in the hallway. It's just a weirdo getting his rocks off in a really uncomfortable way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay. I love like being able to look back in the past and like seeing the way that these stories get twisted by Alex into being so much larger than they actually are. He does in a way create more fantastical interesting stories. Yeah. Because I mean, it's obviously a fairly interesting story that someone's putting shit in the hallway. Sure. Sure. Sure. That's kind of interesting. Right. It's more fun to imagine that our government is run by demon tyrants who are so bored that they have to shit in the hallway to get off. It is. It is kind of funny. It is. It implies a lot more interesting

stuff has happened. See, that's the problem. I remember when we lived in a world that wasn't so much like Alex's weird dark circus versions of government and then we lived in one. It was bad. Yep. Yep. No good. So at this point in 2014, you really had like gentlemen speak freely kind of vibe going on at Infowars. Oh, that's not good. They didn't really have the lawsuits to worry about. Right. Right. So things like this happen. Why no protective gear for man with Dallas Ebola patient. We have video of this. We'll roll some of it in the background. The video from CBS News is up on info wars.com, prisonplanet.com. This lens credence to Rob do running around the office does thinking this is crisis actors because he's been analyzing video and he's worked at national

TV, home shopping network. You know, he's, he's to be a director there. And so he, he knows state stuff and he says that, you know, why are people not wearing protective gear with the Ebola patient as we have right there? And is it people just don't care and they're idiots or is it staged or is there a third possibility? What would that be? So there was a video of people putting that nurse into a plane that was making the rounds and all but one of the people are wearing hazmat suits. It definitely looks like fodder for Alex to make it a conspiracy out of and for Rob do to use to justify crisis actor theories, but it's not really that crazy when you get down to it or you ask the question and answer, like get an answer from somebody. This person in the video is

not in any direct contact with the patient who's wearing her own set of protective gear as well. The chances of transmission are incredibly low based on how Ebola goes from person to person. That being said, I wouldn't do what this dude is doing. But that's just because of me. But it might not be that really fucked up or dangerous. This very article that Alex is citing in order to talk about the headline includes this passage, quote, when a member of the Dallas CDC team was shown in the video and asked if it was a safe moment or not, he said he didn't have a problem with what he saw. The situations apparently met CDC protocol because the people in the hazmat suits were the ones assisting Vincent and the playing clothes man was not. The CDC

spokesman said that the man maintained an appropriate distance from the patient for the amount of time on the tarmac and it must be taken into account that Vincent was also wearing protective gear. Yeah, this is how little some idiot like Rob do needs to justify denying people's illnesses and deaths. He just needs some video that looks strange that he didn't care to look into it all of all the thing that I still have a hard time wrapping my head around that we found out from all those depositions is at this point in time, apparently only PJ dubs in the entire info war sphere was listening to this going like guys, this is a bird idea. Blokes. Stop. Yes, exactly. Yeah, of all people, you know what that might not be true, but it's the only one we know

for sure. Yeah, because there might have been some lower level functionaries who are being like this is irresponsible. There might have been some people who quit too. There might have been some people who got fired. Yeah, and I think it's probably in those people's best interests that we not know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because for them to be able to bury the part of their lives that they worked there. That's important. Yeah. Yeah, good for good for them if they've succeeded. Yeah. And if they have gone on to live a better life, let's hope. So it's staged, man. This stuff is probably staged. I don't think it's staged, but okay. I don't know exactly what's going on, but I'll tell you this. Most of this is staged. It's scripted and they

clearly want a bowl to spread. Now you can fill in the blank of why my head is spinning at this point and I'm trying to contain my anger even during the breaks. I'm trying to contain it because I think about how they're trying to bring down this country. Now they're trying to kill our prosperity. It makes me angry. But you don't want people to be hysterical. No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm furious because they're killing all of us and destroying property. They clearly are trying to intentionally spread Ebola possibly by staging things. Yeah, but as the New York Times said, as you said, as the New York Times said, hysteria is a big problem too. Well, let's keep it grounded. Yeah, let's keep this real. Let's make sure nobody goes too far. And Bloomberg two days ago

was asking, why weren't they sent to the government facilities that are designed for this? Because they want it to spread. They want plausible deniability. They probably got sleeper cells walking around spreading it. I didn't think they'd use Muslim radicals to bring it in before. I thought that was just some, you know, Islamophobe hype. But now it's starting to click that Cod only knows. I think the other shoe is about to drop. I think something big is about to happen. I've been saying that for months and now you see this break. I think what you're seeing right now might be a diversion for nukes. They're about to set off for all the mission nukes. There you go.

This might be hysterical. That might be a little bit a little bit going too far. Yeah. Oh, hey, guess what? Not only do I believe that the government is intentionally spreading Ebola all over the place, and it's a false flag is also a diversion from nukes. They're about to listen. I don't know what's going on. Let me preface by saying I don't know what's going on. Right. Now let me certainly describe a false flag attack that, and honestly, I'm going to go with a 50-50 shot. It's a diversion and you're all going to die immediately. Let me go over the top in a comically scary scenario that I paid for you as a very distinct possibility based on my years of research about how these globalists operate.

Also, this whole Islamophobic thing, I was like, oh, no, I'm not going to engage in Islamophobia, but then I saw a video where a guy was walking on a tarmac, so obviously it's the Islamic people's fault. Probably. Yeah. That makes sense. It's interesting. So he's going down this road, you know, like hysteria about Ebola, and then also they're going to nuke you. Man, we're just in trouble. Uh-oh. I mean, it is just we have enemies in control that there is no doubt that we are in the most grave danger this country has faced in 240 years, and I just got hardcore chills. I got goosebumps on my face right now that the camera can probably pick up. They are getting ready to drop the hammer. This is the takedown of the country.

I'm getting my immune system ready. I know that. Info wars, life dot com. Boom. I'm getting my immune system ready. Info wars, life dot com. See now that is a good. That's a good little super transition there. That's a good little ad switch compared to what he does now. It kind of hurts the proceeding passage for me. Absolutely the insanely out of control fear mongering right that led up to that right kind of. Well, there's that the relationship between the two does suffer. Right. Yes. I guess making people really afraid of a nuke and Ebola would lead them to take zinc. Yeah, I would. I would say that info wars life plug really only solves one of the two problems that he is describing.

And in fact, I would argue the second one kind of wipes out the gains of the first, if you will. So whatever gains we've lost shall now be recouped because Alex has a guest and boy. Howdy this guest. Mike down for this. Okay, because what this guest says spoiler alert. It's Steve Pochetic. Okay, what he says it's CVP. Yes. Okay. Did he cure himself of Ebola? No. Oh, damn it. If we had a complete repeat of the present, brutal. I was hoping. Yeah, that'd be great. No. They do mention how like he had recently reported from the demilitarized zone. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. I read it. Noted info was corresponded Steve Pochetic. I recall that he was in Korea for a while. He was in the shit.

So Steve is on and they're talking about Ebola and he directly contradicts something that he says in the present. Sure. It's amazing. You're also a medical doctor on top of that. So you can speak to Ebola. Yes, correctly. And more importantly, I was trained at Cornell University Medical College between 64 and 1968 by a very competent infectious disease doctor who's really the foremost infectious disease. Don't do it. You see him on television. That is Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Infectious Disease. God damn it. God damn it, Dan. One, you're a witch and two, Steve Pochetic is a monster. Steve, when he's coming on the show now, talks about how incompetent Fauci is. My fucking God. I swear to you. I hated him ever since I was

at Cornell. He is a loser. This is the worst fucking news you could give me. This is so brutal. You know who's great? Anthony Fauci. Oh, it breaks my heart. It really breaks my heart. It's pretty remarkable to dig back a little bit and see like, you know, this is this this mirror. This echo is so fun house mirror is the only way I can describe it. It's so bizarre. Yeah. No, I mean, listen, it's not that I believe the entire world is a prank on me. But when Steve says stuff like that, I'm just like, Hey, you know what? This isn't real. Steve, Steve thinks that the Ebola situation is pretty serious. Yeah. And I would say that outside of it being hilarious that he likes Fauci now and then in the present claims to have always hated him or whatever. Yeah. That's funny. But

yeah, a lot of the stuff he's saying, I really don't take much issue with. Yeah. He's saying that this is serious and that Ebola is a very nasty disease. And we have to do what we can to make sure that responsible steps are taken. Yeah, this isn't bullshit. But he does have a, I would say possibly maybe not good plan of action. And what I have recommended and repeatedly recommended is that Dr. Frieden of the CDC resigned that the CDC placed on stand down because they really have no, they're not effective. They've been inefficient and they have no authoritative capacity to demand either the city, the state, or any institution to do what's mandatory. And instead, I think that Fauci, Dr. Tony Fauci should be given executive privilege or executive authority by the president

of the United States, consistent with 1892 constitutional authority when both military powers it need be because we no longer have the public health service, which is not functioning. Yeah. So Fauci should be given executive control to use military resources to deal with Ebola. These people are just a joke. I can't. I love it. I can't believe this. Yeah. This is, this is one of those, you know what's funny? It's almost like it's almost like the Mandela effect. It really is. It's almost like similarities. It's almost like we're looking back into a past that didn't happen in the present. You know what I'm saying? Like this is an alternate universe where but I'm, it actually helps me put some pieces together because I always did think it was a

little bit weird that at the beginning of the coronavirus situation, Alex was painting Fauci as a good guy. Yeah. And he said he made some calls and looked into him and hearing Steve talk about him like this, talk about Fauci like this at this point makes me think like, oh, Alex called Steve and Steve told him he's cool. Steve was like, this is a good guy. And then they got the lines from the right wing media decided he's a villain. That's, that's interesting. The maybe the biggest thing that happens that we need to go back and kind of analyze is the creation of the feedback loop between the right wing propaganda, creating Trump and then Trump echoing right wing propaganda back at them. Yeah. I don't know how you would ever,

I don't know where you would look for that. I don't know. Kill all the baby hitlers. I think that's what we do. I blame Drudge. Yeah. I would do that too. Let's just say it's Drudge. It's Drudge's fault. Yeah. Fuck that guy. So Alex really wants this to be fake and a false flag. And so I was listening to this part of the episode and it really felt like Alex was essentially begging Steve to be like, come on, help me out, man, please. Doc, I mean, you believe Sandy Hook was staged. More and more experts have come out and agreed. The Boston bombing, you know, rigged so many other events, 9-11, the open funding of ISIS, changing the name from Al Qaeda, all of this is coming out. But when you look at this Ebola situation, I'm not saying it's not ravaging Africa. I'm not saying

it isn't, you know, living in the body longer before the symptoms show up 21 days instead of three. It's clearly mutating, getting stronger. But it just, I can't believe that this type of ineptitude to bring in Ebola patients, they never did that before, to let people fly in from West Africa, from ravaged areas when other countries had already banned it months ago. I mean, it appears that ineptitude wouldn't be this precise at doing everything they could to grease the skids for Ebola. Are you getting any information on them allowing this to spread, to kind of bring in a medical tyranny, to create a political distraction? Are there any motives for this to be a false flag?

No, not really, because number one, it is very hard to create an epidemic to create a false flag. Newtown was a false flag because Eric Holder had funded a very dysfunctional governor and a dysfunctional town and a bunch of Connecticut State troopers who were just pathetic. And it was easy to create. That scenario was nonsense. Oh boy. Okay. Well, interesting answer. Yeah. Yeah. Although this did, this did make me think, here's what we should do. We should call the right wing terrorists all whiter. That? I thought, I thought like the one that was going around before was Yal-Kaida. Was that what it was? That was, that was something that I heard Alex yell about before.

I think I used to say white Kaida. I think I remember that one. Yeah. I don't know. I like all whiter. I'll let you do a meme contest. Look, dude, the thing that I think is really funny, beyond just Steve being like Fauci is a great guy. He should have control over everything. That's brutal. Alex being a over the top. Give me something. Give me any reason. I mean, and blue sky thinking. I don't care. I'm begging. I don't care. What it is. Give me just money. Just say money. You could just say money. No. The answer is even more illuminating. And that is that it's really difficult to create a fake epidemic. People wouldn't do that. It's not wise. It would be a bad idea. Yeah.

Very easy to get out of hand. Millions of people could die. Yeah. Pretty much impossible to control. Yep. Not a not a supervillain plan that would really work outside of the movie. But the thing that I think is really interesting is that Alex is talking about all of these things in almost identical ways. Medical tyranny, all this stuff. He doesn't mention lockstep at all. He didn't know about that document. No, no, no. He knew about it 20 years ago. And it wasn't a document. He found it back then. It's been in there. He pretends to have known about all this stuff. And it's like, no, you didn't. This wasn't part of your narratives then. No one had shown you this. Nope. It didn't exist. Yeah. It existed in 2010. I mean,

in the in the right wing sphere. Yeah. It hadn't been posted on a stupid blog yet. Yeah. And people hadn't misrepresented what it was in a way that was profitable. Yeah. And you just see it very clearly. Like he just didn't have the the manna to do that attack at this point. Yeah. It's kind of it's kind of telling. Yeah. I just I'm just so bummed. It's so easy. His job, the right wing propagandist's job is so easy. You do the same shit every five years for five years and then restart every time. It's the same shit. Yeah. So boring. And God forbid, you know, Ebola would have spread more in the United States at this point. Yeah. But I could easily see Alex going a very similar way. It's like, yeah, they're trying to lock down our businesses because they're afraid

of this disease. Just don't have people cough on you or throw up. And the more the more effort the government puts into stopping it, the more he'd argue that that's what they're. That's the reason that they released this on us to encroach on our civil liberties. Exactly. You can you can almost easily see how the playbook operates based on the incredible similar parallels. Yeah. You have here. Yeah, it is. It is really surprising. It's maybe not. No, no, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's it's like it's it's just you can see it going down the same exact train of thought. Yeah. No matter what time period it is, because it's the thought process itself that leads you to believe action towards aversion is actually causing things. Yeah. You

know, yeah. So it's it's the thought process itself, not like the circumstances. What changes is the circumstances allow it to balloon out of control or it's contained. Yeah. And it's deeply cynical and cruel the the way that Alex operates in this respect. Yeah. It really is a denial and disregard for the fact that there are people who are suffering and dealing with this. Yep. And a rank disregard for the people who are listening who are probably scared and need information. They need to be have conveyed accurate information that allows them to make appropriate decisions. Like the emails that were sent out to the people who are on the plane after even though there probably wasn't a reason to be worried, that's appropriate or giving the

people the information that they need to be able to make appropriate decisions. Right. These listeners are tuning into Alex because they think that they're going to get some kind of insight that they're not going to get elsewhere. And he's lying to them in a way that's designed to scare them. Yep. And it just to get them to get their immune system ready with the products that he sells over in floors.com. And as the world economy melts down, gold will go up, even as other commodities go down because it's an ultimate store of wealth and a hedge against imploding economies. And it is up. When I heard that bond markets had imploded and the stock market was down so much today, I thought, man, I bet gold goes down. I said this allow, but I said,

or maybe it'll go up because when I saw that oil was way down, I thought, I wonder, but man, when I saw gold going up, that's pretty serious right there. So the other thing is that there are economic impacts that are happening because of the Ebola situation. There's some like airline stocks are going down. There are impacts that are happening and Alex is using that to funnel gold sales. Yeah. Gold started 2014 at 1205 and 77 cents an ounce peaking on June 30th at $1,327.39 cents an ounce. On October 16th, the day this show was recorded, the price was 1239 down almost $3 an ounce from the day before it would close the year at $1,184.31. Nothing Alex says means anything. His syndicator at this point is still a guy who owns a gold sales business. So gold is super

important to his worldview in 2014 and it's weird how it's so much less so now. So in order to talk about the bond markets falling apart and how gold is great, yeah, Alex brings in his financial buddy, Max Kaiser. Oh God. Max Kaiser, I will say does not give a shit. No, that sounds right. He is not taking this seriously at all. That sounds right. I was such so close to Gary North and then it took all the other crazy stuff in my life, not Gary North, Gary Webb, Gary North, another writer with Oliver North and Gary North. And that, and then I didn't break these big CIA drug dealing stories with him because I was just like, yeah, I already know all that. Sure. Come on the air. Sure. Sell your book. Yeah. You're a hero. Yeah. They're trying to destroy you. But why? Why put out new

documents? Why put out a website with you, Gary Webb? And then they killed him. And then you attacked me for saying they killed him. But the movie basically says they killed him. You said, you know, they show their friend and his wife as kids and that they kill him. I'm just, I just am speechless. How powerful kill the messenger. The story about Gary Webb is a little surprised and all the rest of it is. I mean, it's simply amazing how all his so-called friends turned against him when the mainstream media said he was a fraud with no proof. Have you seen kill the messenger yet, Kaiser? No, no, it sounds good though. I just felt like I dropped the ball monumentally, not working with him more, helping get his material out, man.

Oh, what do you think? We're still alive. We're too pretty. You know, people, they, they don't want to kill us. That's a beautiful, beautiful specific example of a human species. It would just destroy their souls more than what they do on a day to day basis. Come on. Gary Webb had a beautiful soul. Man, Max Geyser does not give a shit. Wow. He is not taking this seriously at all. Yep. Nope. And I kind of, it's a breath of fresh air. Yeah, I do like that. I do like a little bit of a fucking, you know, who gives a shit? Come on. Come on. We're too pretty, too pretty. Their interview ends with Alex comes in from break and he's singing along with balls to the wall. Sure. And he's talking about how this is a, you know, an air,

like a pilot term, you know, like jamming the throttle. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's also about the Berlin wall, you know, and he's talking about, this is a protest song a little bit later. Max Geyser is like, I got to make a correction. That's about going balls deep. It's actually a sincerely kind of funny moment. And Alex, I think he knows that it's funny, but he doesn't know how to play along with it. He's like, this is a family show. Max Geyser. Oh, he's a dirty, he's a dirty guy. Can't do a two man game. You just can't do it. He's a bad scene partner. No, but again, it was this Max Geyser, just kind of like he operates outside of the grifts that are going on because he's scamming and stuff, but I think he's so rich that he doesn't

care. That's fair. Yeah. That's the type of rich that he's got. Fuck you money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's nobody, you know, only insane people want to be billionaires. I think everybody wants that point of just like, oh, fuck these guys. You know, that's what you really want. Yeah. I can go on to Alex's show and perpetuate Max coin or whatever. I can try and sell whatever thing that I'm doing. And that can be fun. But I don't need it. I can also fuck with Alex. Just a billionaire. I also have a show on RT. I don't need his platform either. Yeah. I don't know. That's nice. It's weird. But someone who does need Alex's platform very desperately. All right. Ted Anderson joining us on short notice from California, the owner of the GCN radio network,

he also is one of the biggest private gold dealers with a triple A rating from the better business bureau, something you can't say of most other gold dealers out there. This is where I'm buying my gold for 20 years, about 19 years. He's been a sponsor for 19. I've worked in this time slot for 18 years. I never wanted to go up against Rush Limbaugh. Ted said, no, we're going to do it. You know, he's got a monopoly in cities and a lot of stations, you don't want to have a show to go up against it. You're on here, not at night. If you want to work at this network. So here I am. And funny enough, I'm now beating Rush Limbaugh in ratings wherever I'm put up against him, even on smaller stations. Are you? I highly doubt that. Do you

think so? No. Do you really think so? I mean, like, yeah, some stations can't afford Rush's indication rates. And Alex's is free. So yeah, sure. Makes sense. I imagine so. Yeah. Ted's just on to sell gold. Alex is out here like Ted Ebola is causing problems. We need you on quick to sell gold. Yeah, I've been panicking people all day. Yeah, but he's not on to pitch gold. No, now is the time. And I didn't mean to even get him on to pitch gold with Midish. But folks, if you wait until the fall where it historically goes up, if you wait until there is a big rush, it's already up what 20 something bucks today. Can we pull that up for me? CNBC? Now is the time I believe to get into gold and silver or at least get some of the books or financial prospectus documents that Midish

Resources has. And then like a year later, Ted would lose his license because he's a scamming thief scammy guy fraudster. Yeah. And so I mean, like this is kind of the payoff, the prestige of the panic and the fear that Alex has been building throughout the episode with his hysterical nonsense is talking about the bond markets falling apart. And that part with Max Kaiser is a nice bridge to the interview with Ted Anderson in order to funnel people to give them the solution to the problem. Yeah, we've created this problem that is false flag Ebola, nuclear strike, right? You've got to retain your money somehow. And the only way your assets are going to be safe is with this guy. My buddy, who I've been working with for 19 years, buy some bullion you've never seen and

have him put it in a lock box. You don't know. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I look back on this. I mean, I don't care what Ted has to say. It's just about gold. Yeah, of course. But, you know, looking back on this episode, it was, it was shocking to me. I mean, the reason that I chose it, like honestly, we had nothing to do with Ebola. Yeah, I didn't know that this episode was about Ebola. I just saw Steve Pachanik's name. You're a witch. Yeah. I was like, I got a fucking 2014 Steve Pachanik. Boom. Let's do this. Let's see what he's bringing to the table. And I started listening to it. Love Dr. Fauci is what he's bringing to the table. It's so bizarre. Fuck you. It's so bizarre. Fuck you. I want to throw a tomato at Steve Pachanik because of this now. You see the

dark twisted, like distorted version of the narratives that are being sold in the present about coronavirus being applied to Ebola in seven years prior, just with completely, you know, like different clothes. Like back then, they could fuck around with crisis actor stuff because they hadn't been checked on that front. Yeah. Rob do thinks that maybe these people with Ebola are fake. Anthony Fauci wasn't somebody that Trump got into a fight with. Yeah. And so he's a hero. There you go. Steve studied under a Cornell and they they're tight. You should have control of the military apparatus to deal with Ebola. I think it's fascinating. Yeah. I mean, it does strongly reinforce my theory that Alex is full of shit. I would say that it's if not definitive proof.

I would, I would argue that the totality of our work is definitive. This might be a good argument not to take them seriously. Although if you need further proof, go to Dr. Fauci. Poop bandits. Poop bandits. Poop bandits. Yep. Oh boy. So I hope you had fun enjoying my wizardry. I do. I love when you bring witchcraft to the table, Dan. I'm uncomfortable with how kind of regular an occurrence it is. It is really kind of frustrating. Again, Dan, everything is a prank on me. I'm beginning to believe that thoroughly. Well, here's Ashton Kutcher. Yeah. God damn it. Coronavirus didn't happen. Son of a bitch, Ashton. That would be an elaborate plan. Yeah. If I was the only one who actually quarantined this entire

time. Yeah. That would be interesting. Yep. I don't think it's feasible. Although doubtful. I did read a white paper. I've seen a lot of false flags in the past. Also, the other thing, before we get out of here, that I was thinking about, that was like with Alex, like, you know, it's just a joke that he says, I have the documents. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like he's claiming that he has these documents from Gary Webb. It's like, do you? Or they lost? Yeah. Or did they ever exist? So anytime that he says he has the documents, it might be just some CD ROM that may or may not exist in a warehouse somewhere that he has no fucking idea. Yeah. It should be protected like the Holy Grail. You would think that that would be so

fastidiously organized. Yeah. Seeing as how it's proof of all the conspiracies that have ever been. Well, maybe not proof of all of them, but at least the building block that would get you to where something is solidly proven that you can maybe build from. Yeah. And I think that would be really important for him because as far as I can tell from the bedrock of like so many of these conspiracies, primary sources that you go back to, they just don't hold up. Yeah. So if he did have these secret classified documents, just like you would never let you put that you fucking handcuff it to your wrist. Yeah. Yeah. That would be ridiculous to imagine that you would. No, absolutely. Especially after Gary Webb dies. In the episode that we did not record, I played

this clip for you. The two guys that we were talking about watched a 20 minute conspiracy theory video and I only played you one clip from it and it was the guy narrating it say, about a month ago I lost all of it. My computer crashed. And it's like, oh fuck off. Yeah. There is a certain irony to us complaining about this when we're only recording this episode because of a tech glitch. Although we didn't prove anything in that episode. I think that was more an observation. Yeah. It was just some laughs were had that will never be had publicly. Anyway, Jordan, this has been fun. This has been fun. Yeah. I'm sorry that your episode got lost. We'll let you take the wheel again here in the near future. Sometimes. I'm sure you can find

something that we can go over. Anyway, but a bit for now. Let's let's end this. Okay. Let's travel back to the president. All right. All right. All right. We'll be back. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's a thanks to Mr. Peabody for bringing us back to the present.com. We're also on Twitter. We are a Twitter. It's that knowledge of the right now. Go to bed, Jordan. We're also on Facebook. If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. I am the leader of the poop bandits. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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