Knowledge Fight - #539: March 10, 2021

Episode Date: March 12, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan are disappointed to learn that Alex Jones has been hanging out in a Florida grocery store all week, so they turn their attention to the Infowars morning show, The American Journal. In this installment, Stewart Rhodes makes poor excuses for his actions, and conversation on the Journal takes a turn toward the Nazi side of things.

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Hello Alex, I'm Mr. Fincault. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. I love you. I love you. I love you.

I love you. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, trick novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot? My bright spot today is something that I did not know existed and has come into my life and I'm pretty excited about.

And that is hot honey. I had no idea. No, no, refuse. I was at the store. What's the point? It's hot. I don't understand. I was at the store and I saw it on the shelf and I thought, what the fuck is this?

I'd never heard of it before. It is honey that's infused with chilies. And so it's spicy. It's so good. It is so good. It's like honey. It goes on. It goes on things that has that honey-ness to it.

But then also the heat. It's great. It is fantastic. You can add honey to things. Mustard. You can add honey to it. You can't have money. Mustard honey.

Uh-uh. No, honey is honey, my friend. I got to make some mustard honey. I'll be right back. Strong rules. I have strong opinions about whether or not. I don't know, man. I think you might come around if you try a little bit of that.

All right, I probably will. It sounds incredible. It's so good. Yeah, I believe it. And you know, I've only had it on a bagel or two so far, but there's so many things I want to explore putting it on. Selene, Selene, run! Run, Selene!

Get out! Come here. Come here. Come here. Got to put some honey on you. What about you? What's your bright spot? Dan, my bright spot is also food-related, but, okay, now this is going to seem simple,

but have you ever had a really good pear, Dan? Yeah, I love pears. Like, pears are the best, but pears have the shortest period, the shortest window of perfection. True. That is true. They turn pretty quick. You're always either eating a hard pear or you've waited too long and it's mush.

And yesterday, I ate a pear at, like, the precise five-minute window where it was perfect. What kind of pear do you like? Do you like an Anjou? I like an Anjou pear. Do you like a Bosque? I'm not a Bosque pear guy. Is that even a kind of pear? I like a green.

I like a real green. I don't like the brown pears. Uh-uh, don't give me that. I realized as I started to talk, I don't know other kinds of pears. I don't even think Bosque is one of them. No, Bosqueat was a pear. That's... I don't know pears.

Yeah, no. I do love them, though. Incredible. Yeah, and I always got a little bit of shade when I was younger, which I'm a little bit... Well, I'm a little bit peeved about this. Sure. I'm still actually a little bitter, a little raw, and I gotta air my grievances. Unlike pears.

My dad is a huge fan of jelly bellies. And so the jelly bellies were often in the house, jelly beans of all kinds of flavors. And of course, as you're a kid, people like the toasted marshmallow. Right. That's the kind of thing that people like. They like all these candy kind of flavors. My favorite was the juicy pear. The juicy pear.

It was the best. I thought it was really good, and I took a lot of shit for it. You took a lot of shit. Took a lot of shit. A lot of shit. To the point where I'm 36 years old. You could've spent a long time for you to remember. The Jelly Belly Incident of 1994.

Oh, dad likes pear. Left some deep wounds. Yeah, pears are great. Pears are amazing. So Jordan, today we get an interesting episode to go over. A little bit different than normal and we'll get into why here in a second. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to the folks who signed up and are supporting the show.

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Thank you, City Bird. Thank you. And then, finally, I got a special shout-out. Okay. Take a crack shout-out. I'm going to give out to someone. This is a very special shout-out. Laura's baby needs to arrive now so she can take maternity leave already.

Wait, hold on. I'm getting an update on this. Hold on. I think we got that email just an hour ago. Is there anything new coming up? It turns out we have an update. Congrats, Laura, on your baby policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson, all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good?

My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Congratulations, Laura, on baby policy wonk. Yes, thank you very much to the both of you. And Matt for no reason at all. Exactly. But also, thank you. Thank you very much, Matt.

So, before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to make a little bit of a correction about our last episode. Sure. We had a joke when I was talking about Stefan Malinu giving that speech. I had said that that was in New Zealand, and I kind of fucked that up. I conflated two things in my head. That was actually in Melbourne, Australia, that he gave that speech. And the reason that I got it mixed up was because when they went on this tour, they

had intended to speak in New Zealand, and New Zealand said, fuck no. Right, right, right. And that was what I had mixed up in my head. And I apologize. I got that a little bit. Yeah, it would be, yeah, that's a nice little bit of context to add to that. Yeah. That was in Australia.

Yeah. Good on you, New Zealand. Tell Stefan Malinu to go fuck himself as much as you like. So, Jordan, today, I felt like it had been a while since we checked in with present day Alex Jones, and honestly, I was getting pretty happy to have had that break from his uninspired ass broadcasting. It's been nice. I was actually kind of excited, though, to get back into the mud and see what his dumb

ass was up to, but wouldn't you know it? I checked back in, and Owen Troyer has been hosting Alex's show all this week, so there's no new episodes of Alex's stuff to go over. Wow. As it turns out, Alex has taken off for another workcation this time heading up to Florida to cover what he calls a mask rebellion that's taking place at a grocery store in the city of Naples. Okay.

The store is called Oaks Farm Seed to Table, and Alex may or may not be broadcasting many special reports from live inside the store. Here is a little clip. Because the state is so freaking awesome. Florida is awesome. Yeah, Florida! And Seed to Table, the great oak farms. Give it up for all the great crew here, folks.

Yeah! Everybody's shopping in this place. It's awesome. You can hear about, like, two people clapping in the background. Yeah. It's sad. Yeah. That's a long drop.

That's a long drop for Alex Jones. Oh, yeah. I'll see you guys in southern Illinois at the American Legion, where they're holding a mask drive for no one. Now if I play my cards right, I might be able to go to a car dealership opening and record live. Yeah, exactly. All right.

Wow. Oh, boy. So the situation with this grocery store is actually kind of funny. It's actually not in the city of Naples, technically, and if it were, it would not have a mask mandate because the Naples City Council decided against imposing one, preferring instead to just make it a thing they strongly recommend. However, this store is in North Naples, which is about five miles north of city limits, and is subject to the jurisdiction of the county, in this case Collier County, who do

have a mask mandate in place. As such, the store's owner, Alfie Oaks, has been waging a protracted campaign against masks, since he feels like this COVID-19 stuff is a hoax. Sure. I poked around this store a bit, and honestly, it's kind of cookie cutter. It's a Republican business owner making a mini-celebrity of himself in the anti-mask game, and there's not much more to it. Everything is about what you'd expect, all the way down to him calling George Floyd a

quote, disgraceful career criminal after he was killed, and saying that Black Lives Matter is a hoax. That led to the Lees County School District severing their contract with him, which prompted Oaks to sue the school district for $50 million, claiming as all bigots due that their free speech had been violated. Oh, yes, of course. I don't know what his contract with the school district said, but if they had a clause in there about being able to terminate the contract for cause, I don't think this is a free speech

issue. In fact, I would assume that, since he's a staunch conservative, Alfie should be in favor of the school district being able to practice free association. Rules for others and not for me! They shouldn't be forced to retain business ties with someone they're opposed to being connected to. Rules for others and not for me! Anyway, I don't particularly care about Alfie Oaks, nor do I care too much about Alex's

very transparent attempt to vampirically feast on the attention Oaks is getting at the moment. If Alex had done like a whole show from the grocery store, then you might be dealing with an excited Dan. But as it stands, this is just too little to get worked up about. It's really funny to imagine though, going into a Whole Foods or a Jewel and just trying to get some produce and you hear a guy yelling about the UN trying to kill the children while you're shopping. Yeah, I can't get the image out of my head of Alex and Owen on Supermarket Sweep together.

And boy, that'd be great. Grind the beans, fill it up with the beans. Get the beans. I don't I don't feel like that would elevate my customer experience. If Alex is broadcast. Probably not. Probably not. So I set out to find an episode to make for the good people out there to enjoy. And as luck would have it, while Alex has been in Florida, he paid a visit to a podcast

in Miami called Flagrant 2. I watched this thinking maybe it would be good to cover and it's just embarrassing. Is that a basketball podcast? No, that's the Flagrant Ones. That is a real podcast. The Flagrant Ones. The guys from Hollywood Handbook and Carl Tark. They do a podcast called The Flagrant Ones.

Yeah, well, Flagrant 2 is the is the. No, because they're talking about this being like Flagrant Lee, a free speech, offensive, talking, comics, talking. Oh my God. Comics talking man. Get out of here. It's Flagrant. You're not funny if you're doing that.

I watched it thinking maybe it would be good, like I said, but I got nothing. Alex is so fucked up that it's not even fun. The guy who's throwing hatchets on Christmas Eve at his own cameras in his own studio is fun. The guy who's trying, he's just trashed annoying Rob Dew about the ways to learn and a crystal skull covered in semen is fun. Hilarious. This is not fun.

It's sad. There was a moment in the interview that Alex did a while back with Logan Paul, where one of Logan's friends commented to Alex that he had a, quote, heavy pour when he was getting another glass of booze. The tone wasn't like, hey, cool, poor man, they had a touch of concern in it. Like telling Alex to slow down. This interview has the opposite vibe where the hosts are laughing their asses off and just celebrating how basically incoherent Alex is becoming.

Alex lies to the host's face about things like Sandy Hook and his position on reparations, illustrating that these hosts do absolutely no show prep before interviewing propagandists. At the end of the thing, one of the hosts does a list of questions for Alex, like, was a 9-11 a part-time job? Which should be- Boo! Boo! Boo!

It should give you some sense of the value and comedic merit of this show. The interview was so bad that I don't even think that it rises to the level of deserving criticism. Like the only thing that I heard in it that I thought was interesting was Alex really drunk trying to explain why we need to cut off all for an aid. Okay. I'm like, wait, hold on. Now we're back on all for an aid.

What did this happen? Yeah. Okay. Great. Ron Paul still is the thing that's drunk and sold. Yeah. Right? It's a very, just, depressing stretch where Alex is really drunk and he tries to call

Rogan a few times. He's like, let's get Rogan on the phone. And Joe doesn't answer. It's such a mess. It's not worthwhile as an episode. Brutal. So I was trying to figure out, like, what are we going to do? And then I remember, oh, that's right.

Here's another motherfucker I've been meaning to talk about. Oh, shit. I haven't gotten a chance very often. That motherfucker is named Harrison Smith. Oh, no! We're doing White Nationalist Happy Hour with Harrison Smith in the mornings? Best of the American Journal. Oh, boy.

Harrison Smith. He had caught my eye a while back because of, first of all, his gleeful, the Patriots have taken over the Capitol. We won, guys. We did it. And then also just listening to some of his shows, they'd be like, this is pretty overt shit, man. Yeah.

This is pretty bigotty. And so I decided I'm going to get back in, see what he's been up to. I didn't think that this was a possibility for a while because he's been gone. He just had a paternity leave. Oh, okay. Hey, baby. Congratulations, Harrison. And he's been gone.

So Rob Dew had been hosting and Tom Pappert had been hosting. And boy, no good. But now Harrison's back. Do White Nationalists have to scream like, take that great replacement every time they have a kid? Probably. Like in the birthing room, whenever the kid comes out, they're like, it's breaching. They have to be like, take that great replacement theory.

At very least they make little fun jokes with their partners. Won't replace this one. All right. Hey, here we go. You don't love me anymore. Okay. So we, there's one particular reason that I decided to actually look at this particular episode of just March 10th and it turns out I fucked up.

So we're actually going to have to listen to another thing, but here is the beginning of March 10th. Still got some good fucking music. Good morning. Ladies and gentlemen, you're watching American Journal, infowars.com, band.video. What a day full of news I have for you today. And at the end of this program at around 1030 central standard time, Alex Jones will be taking over the broadcast from his outpost in the state of Florida.

A grocery store. We're very excited to bring a lot of information to you to take your calls as well. And we do have a new sale at infowars.com. Well, I'll give you that information very shortly, but first let us begin. As we always do with our daily dispatch, roll the finger please. Yes. He's got sound effects. Wow.

00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:18,380 We've got a fax machine getting in the headlines All right, okay, all right. So this is directed by Quentin Tarantino. And there's a fax machine. That's all I know. Get Zimfire bringing us in the new Pandit flute. Still love it.

I don't care. If that's the, if that's like intro music for like the beginning of the show. It was hell. I think I pointed this out after our, our last time we talked about him, but I still enjoy it. Yeah. No, it's great. But you know, isn't that the song that Bill dies to and kill Bill volume two or something?

I think so. It's in Kill Bill. It's in Kill Bill at least. And that's why he knows the song. Well, of course. But the thing I think is really interesting is like that, like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. The sound sting is like, okay, you're showing the barest bones attempt at craft.

Yeah. And that's interesting because no one else really tries. Yeah. Yeah. That is fair. And then he just goes on to like read off headlines and I don't really care. It's a very boring segment. So he, at the beginning of this episode, he has a quite a pronouncement in today's program.

I'll be laying out what I think is a rather convincing argument for the fact that we are rapidly racing towards a conflict that I would call World War three, the battle lines are being drawn and we're seeing a lot of posturing that portends great devastation in our future has to do with China, Iran and the Western powers aligning themselves against those bad countries. We're the good guys. Brand new development. That is.

Yeah. Also, Harrison clearly hasn't gotten the memo according to his anti-communist buddies like Alex. World War three already happened. The Cold War was World War three and some even think that the Iraq war is turned into World War four. So if there's another one coming, Harrison should be calling it World War five. I thought we were still fighting World War two since Nazis still seem to be the bad guys.

In this case, I think that him using World War three sounds a lot more exciting. So I merely understand why Harrison would just go ahead and stick with that branding presentation. The skirmonger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So not only does Alfie Oaks think that, you know, George Floyd, you know, was a criminal

and blah, blah, blah. Sure. Sure. Harrison has some thoughts. Meanwhile, the election of the trial rather of George Floyd continues to move forward and more revelations are being made. Releasing of the autopsy report has revealed massive amounts of drugs in his system. And as they say, no injuries that would lead to death.

In other words, Jeffrey Epstein may not have killed himself, but it looks like George Floyd did. This is nonsense. There aren't revelations coming out about the case at this point because the trial was still in the jury selection phase. The coroner's report and autopsy information that the public has access to is the exact same information we've had for like six months, and it doesn't show what Harrison is claiming. He's pretending that there's a new piece of information that's come out that verifies

his preexisting talking points because he knows that no one in the audience demands better. And they already believe that George Floyd's death is no big deal. The Washington Post had an article about the upcoming trial on March 10th, and here's what they had to say, quote, when Chauvin's trial for his alleged role in Floyd's tragic death begins, much of the argument will center instead on the autopsy details, most specifically whether fentanyl and underlying health conditions, not the police officer's actions, stopped Floyd's heart and lungs, seven experts in toxicology, cardiology and illegal drug use

consulted by the Washington Post largely disagreed with that idea, most of them strenuously. All but one said the autopsy findings and other court documents coupled with the well-known chain of events that evening made death by fentanyl overdose unlikely to impossible. And the other one was just Rudy Giuliani wearing a doctor's coat, right? Experts who have weighed in on the matter are pretty clear that what happened to Floyd doesn't resemble what happens in cases of opiate overdose, which is why no one on the scene administered naloxone, which they did have it. They had the drug that would be used in the case of an opiate.

They have to. Yeah. The overwhelming consensus is that although there were drugs in his system, drugs were not the cause of George Floyd's death. As the WAPO article points out, this defense is one that police use all the time when they kill people. Abuse all the time. Yeah.

It's what they did in the case of the Rodney King beating when it was alleged that King was on PCP and that made him such a threat that it justified the police's actions. Totally. It's something that they do. And this is Harrison Smith essentially just, you know, taking defense arguments uncritically and then also towing the line for just sort of like exactly what cops say all the time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is, I, it's weird how people are trying to litigate this. Like the NFL tries to litigate what a catch is, you know, like, oh, you got to make a football move. You have to get all the way and you have to take one step forward and suffer it to be a catch.

No, you have to make a football. But whatever the fuck it is, you know, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, George Floyd is dead because of Derek Chauvin and his buddies. The end. There's no, there's no, you can talk about how much, you know, it's like, did he murder him? Premeditated. You know, you can do all that stuff, but no, he was dead because of those guys.

The end. And it appears that even if there were some sort of a, like, I'm not saying this is the case, but yeah, if they're like this argument that is being made by Harrison were even true. Yeah. Then you still have negligent homicide on the part of these cops who have had a responsibility to address the medical condition that was supposedly happening. Cops are supposed to keep people alive now. What's their job, Dan?

Protecting and serving. I don't understand those words at all when applied to cops. Cool. So this show starts out a little bit slow. I know Harrison has declared that World War three is upon us and I got to be honest. I didn't make it to him explaining that if he did because I got, I got sidetracked honestly on info wars. World War three is a slow news day.

Yeah. And this is, this is just like, there's like scattershot headlines until he goes to calls and here's another one of these, these little petty complaints he has. This one's about Biden. Sure. Not giving enough press conference. Oh no. I can only imagine if President Trump had dared to go 50 days without taking questions

from the press. Can you imagine that? I mean, they'd be impeaching him already for this. In February, 2020, it was reported that it had been over 300 days since Trump had had a formal press briefing. So Harrison can go ahead and shove that stupid tone of his up his own ass. Yeah. I was going to say, go fuck yourself.

Yeah. To make matters worse, ABC News reported in September, 2019 that not only had Trump not done these press conferences, but it had been quote, six months since a White House press secretary last came to the podium in a briefing room to field questions from reporters. Yeah. And if Biden had done that, wait, what? I do think that Biden should face criticism for not having press conferences enough or yet since I think it would, you know, it's a helpful piece of moving forward.

And I directed the same criticism at Trump when he was doing the same thing because I think the transparency and availability to the public is a good thing to encourage in our leadership. Harrison and Info Wars don't really have any underlying beliefs. They just attack their predetermined enemies and glorify whoever they like at the moment, regardless if they're doing the same things. They'll pretend that their hero didn't actually do what the villain is now doing. But worse, not long ago, because if they did acknowledge that, they'd have to explain

why it wasn't a big deal for them when Trump did the same thing that they're so upset Biden is doing now. And that would unravel the game. It would really make things difficult if you had to have sort of like a consistent position. Yeah, throughout your whole, that would really fuck up the game. Yeah, it would be tough. Yeah, they'd be out of business. But you know what?

Maybe, maybe there's something to this not having press conferences. All right. And perhaps again, we can take another lesson from this, which is this is maybe what Trump should have done. Maybe you just cut off the press and you just do whatever the hell you want without taking questions without accepting criticism. Harrison, you're in luck. Harrison, I have got great news for you.

I have got great news. You can get rid of the maybe you can get rid of the what ifs. This is so dumb. You are talking about a thing a man has done recently. And if I recall, your network celebrated extensively, yeah. So anyway, Trump is out of office, but there's someone else who's in office that I think that info wars is warming up to quite a bit. And that person is Marjorie Taylor Greene.

And with that, I'd like to go to another video here. It's Marjorie Taylor Greene talking on the floor of the Congress yesterday talking about house resolution eight and house resolution one four, four, six gun control, uh, legislation. So it's really cool to see them warming up to Marjorie Taylor Greene definitely wouldn't have suspected that was the inevitable destination of the path that begins with hero worshiping Ron Paul. Yeah. Anyway, HR eight is about expanding background checks for people.

People purchasing guns. The other bill they're talking about is meant to close what's known as the Charleston loophole named after the 2015 shooting because it was how Dylan Roof was able to purchase the guns that he used to kill nine people at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. He shouldn't have been able to pass a gun background check, but he did because of this loophole. See, when you go by to go to buy a gun, your name is run through the national instant criminal background check system, which should provide a yes or no result within minutes.

However, in some cases, the automated system runs into complications and can't make a determination. In these cases, the FBI who run the system have three days to provide a yes or no to the gun seller. And if they fail to give a determination in that time, the seller gets to decide if they sell the guns or not. And you better believe they almost always do because they're selling guns. Yeah, I do appreciate that guns operate under the same laws as pumpkins that turn into carriages. Yeah.

This bill that Harrison's complaining about would change that window from three days to 10 days to hopefully provide more oversight that would stop things like future Dylan Roof's having easy access to guns. Consider this stat from a report put out by the Center for American Progress. Quote, in 2018, 4,240 background checks were denied nationwide after the three-day investigation period elapsed. Even at least 3,960 of those cases, a gun was sold to the prohibited buyer at the discretion of the dealer, requiring officers from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and

Explosives to attempt to retrieve these guns from individuals with a potentially dangerous criminal history. This loophole results in tons of people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns getting guns, which poses a bit of a threat and also creates a ton of work and expense for the ATF to try and correct the mistakes caused by a clearly too short window of time being given for these background check systems to provide an answer. I am really confused as to what situations require a gun so fast that we cannot wait for the FBI to give a determination.

Well, I mean, if someone's... I mean, three days or 10 days or a year, what do you need a gun for now? If someone's barging into your house, you need a gun immediately, perhaps. The background check delay isn't going to help you one way or another whether it exists or not. It doesn't seem like it. No. Yeah.

And if you miss out on hunting season this year, I feel like that's your fault. You should have gone two weeks earlier. You could have gone two weeks earlier. Not a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think that both of these bills are completely sensible, so it's great to see Harrison try

to attack them by not discussing the bills in detail at all and relying on a video of a QAnon weirdo in Congress to make his argument for him. This is just pathetic. That's all you need to do. This is outrageously dumb. I'm going to go to a recording I made of Marjorie Taylor Greene's remarks on the House floor. She made a bit of a better argument than that.

Did she? I think so. So, Harrison is wanting to go to calls, but there's not enough calls. And I wouldn't suspect that this is because Rob do fucked up his show. I need this phone line full. We got empty spaces here. I'm not used to seeing this. I was hosting American Journal for a little over a month.

Full phone lines the whole time. I go away for two weeks. Take care. I'm a new baby boy. Come back. Nobody's calling in. This is unacceptable, folks. I need your help.

I can't do this show by myself. I need the info warriors calling in. I suspect what we're going to learn about some of these callers. I have a very strong theory about why calls might have dropped out whenever Harrison left and was on vacation because Rob do was like, no Nazis, please. Yes. Yeah. That was that was that sounds I have a hunch.

That sounds right. Yeah. Excuse me. Could you please get rid of everybody who says code words for Jew? I'm going to have to have the whole lights are empty. Yeah. Oh my God. What happened?

Yep. So we get this first caller and I just think he's weird. I think this is a weird dude. And with that, we will go to our first call. We have Andy in California wants to talk about the upcoming Passover. Thanks calling in Andy. You're on the air. Hi.

Can you hear me all right? I can hear you fine. Thanks for calling in. All right. Thank you for having us. Yeah. This year, I noticed that Easter and Passover on the same day, April 4th. Interesting.

No, it's not. Yeah. No, it's not. Harrison. When you look at the book of Deuteronomy, chapter 38, it talks about the blessing of God will give you follow his ways. And the second half of the chapter is all of the curses that will happen if you go after straight God, right?

Right. And sounds like a real shitty God to me. Star being not anything really to do with God's law of Tunisian fertility, God is, it's just kind of like a slap in my face, like, wow, maybe this is one of our chances to maybe get it right before it gets any worse because if you look at everything you guys talk about and what we're looking at in the world today, it fits those curses perfectly, and it's not. It's not a satanic organization, but what not that are doing it, it's, well, I mean, they might have a hinted, but God definitely allows it to happen, but Chris.

So in case you want to learn something, or Harrison, if you're listening, Easter and Passover are both religious observances that don't involve specific dates on our calendars. Christmas, for instance, like that's always observed on December 25th because it's tied to our calendar. Easter and Passover, however, are both observed based on the lunar calendar, which results in the holidays lining up with different dates every year, according to our Gregorian calendar. Easter is always the first Sunday after the first full moon of spring, unless you're following the Eastern Orthodox tradition, which is an issue that's too complicated to get into because

Harrison and this caller aren't even touching on that aspect of things. I want to get into it now. We'll do it later. I've had a lot to, I've been quarreling with the Eastern Orthodox about this for a long time. I'm going to leave you to that. Passover is based on the Hebrew calendar, which in turn is lunar based and begins in the middle of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts a week.

Typically, because of how these dates are determined, they'll end up being very close to each other. And very often Easter does fall within the week of Passover. This year, Easter is on the last day of Passover, April 4th, which I guess this caller thinks means something nefarious, I don't know. It's very interesting, according to Harrison Smith. This is blood moons all over again. Yeah, it's 100% blood moons, racist shit.

What are we doing? The more important aspect of this caller, I think, is how much he's internalized the underlying message of a lot of Alex's rhetoric. There are demons out there, sure, but the curses that are plaguing everyone are the results of God letting this stuff happen because you aren't good enough for him to protect. This is the messaging of cults and it's very present in Alex's content with his regular outbursts about how the world deserves to burn for things like allowing abortions. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. If all of us don't act in perfect accord, well, all of us will be killed. God's going to lift his protection and there you go. Here it comes. No. And it's your fault. Yeah, God operates under the same laws as a teacher and if you're a student who didn't bring enough gum for the class, well, everybody gets punished.

Nobody gets any gum and you all get sent to hell. Everybody knows that that's the way God works. And conceivably, it's your fault as an individual because you should have brought more gum to the class. But what is bringing gum to the class of metaphor for in this case, basically setting up a religiously ordered society. Exactly. Basically setting up a theocracy.

Theocracy. You should have overthrown the teacher, brutally deposed her and murdered her. And then God would have showered you with all the gum in the world, Dan. Yeah, it's a little bit worrying when you start to think about the ramifications of internalizing the blame. It is a little bit of a problem. Yeah. It gets you into trouble.

So Harrison starts talking about how the Pope, you know, that globalist pope, I've heard of the globalist. He's been in jail for well over a year. Yeah. According to expert sources, but Jordan, what about that pope that I've seen going around fake pope? Yeah. It's false flag.

Yeah. False flag. You haven't seen Steve Pachanic arrested the pope like a year ago, but I guess the fake pope, somebody pretending to be the pope recently, right? I guess in an interview had said that, you know, climate change is possibly going to cause another flood. Yeah. You know, there's, those comments are what they are and whatever.

And Christians took that very simply and calmly as him saying that there would be a regular flood. Harrison has decided that the pope is calling God a liar. There we go. I knew it. He came out and said that because of climate change, we face threat of a new flood from God. Now, I don't know.

Maybe I was just a child. Maybe I misunderstood, but wasn't one of the key aspects of the flood that God promised never to do it again. Wasn't that a promise God made? And is the pope calling God a liar? Yeah. So the pope's calling God a liar. Now we'll get into this here in a second, but, but, but something I think is really interesting

is the Harrison starts thinking about the flood, starts thinking about the flood story. And he gets a little bit, he gets a little bit weird with it. The original reason that God flooded the earth was sexual immorality. What does the pope have to say about that? I'm pretty sure he has to say about that is don't worry about it. It's fine. Come on. Free love, pope.

So this is interesting to me because the flood in the Bible happens pretty early in the book. It happens pretty fast. It's in Genesis chapter six. So I decided I would go back and refresh my memory about the lead up to the flood and see if it happened because people weren't fucking the way that God wanted them to. They weren't fucking right. Genesis one is the creation of the world and then chapter twos about the making of Adam

and Eve. Genesis three is what the fall of Adam and Eve had and having eaten from the tree of knowledge and in retaliation, God made snakes all slithery. That one was guest written by C.S. Lewis created painful child birthing and male dominated relationship structures. And then he also turned God into Adam into a farmer. Yeah. It was really important to get the male dominated social structures in right away, like right

from the jump. Yeah. Men rule everything moving on and it's going to hurt when it's going to hurt. Yeah. It's your fault. Very weird. Fucking Apple lead it. Genesis four deals with Cain killing Abel and then there's a bunch of names in a family

tree. Genesis five is a bunch more names and how long they lived bridging the gap from Adam all the way down to Noah. In Genesis six, God gets a little bit tired of people and decides they shouldn't be living so long. In addition to that, he sees that quote sons of God were marrying quote daughters of humans, which I guess is supposed to mean that angels were breeding with humans. Strange that there aren't any lady angels wooing human dudes, but I'll get off my SJW

snowbox. Don't worry about it, Dan. Come on now. Here's Genesis six versus five through seven quote, the Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply troubled.

The Lord said, I will wipe from the face of the earth, the human race I have created and with them the animals and the birds and the creatures that move along the ground for I regret that I have made them. Wait, hold on, God, real quick, just quick question, God, I'm at just we're in the planning stages. I can see that you're reacting emotionally and frankly, I think it's a little bit offensive of you to say that they're acting evil all the time. Sure.

I mean, come on, man. Sure. Also, what did the birds do? Birds are just hanging out. Well, I mean, look, if you want to defend the birds, that's your business. That's what I want to do. I have a long standing beef with birds. Okay, that's fair.

I'm not going to go to bed for them, but I am going to say that I was reading over this and it struck me how weird this is that like, you know, it's a big decision to create a race of humans. The existence of all things. It's very weird that God wouldn't see it coming that he would regret doing that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He was a young God at the time when we were young.

He was young. Everybody makes mistakes. This is a teenage guy. That seems something strange to fit into the conception of a God is a regret over the creation of humans. Wolf. Man. Those guys were shit.

I fucked that one up. Whoops. Yeah, whoops, a doodle. Very weird. Yeah, and by the way, even if, like God was justified and being disappointed by humans, is extermination a rational solution to that problem? At all. It was God that created humans, so wiping them out is really just him trying to cover up his

own mistakes? No, no, no. Anyway, that brings us to Noah. God liked Noah because he was unlike the rest of the people. From Genesis 6, 11, quote, Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, I'm going to put an end to all people for the earth is filled with

violence because of them. Peace in three verses, the complaint of violence is raised in relation to God's decision to kill everyone off with the flood, and weirdly, sexual impropriety isn't brought up at all. It is odd that God would care more about violence than sexual impropriety. That seems so weird, Dan. After Noah builds the ark and saves all the animals, the flood comes and they have to live on that boat that's comically oversized for about a year. Noah is 600 years old at that point.

When the flood ends, Noah gets off the boat and makes an altar to God, which pleases God. In appreciation, God says, quote, Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood, and never again will I destroy all living creatures as I have done. This story is fucked up, but the promise that God makes at the end of it doesn't preclude God from causing the kind of flooding that we would see arise from climate change. People aren't suggesting that we're going to end up in water world or some shit, just that there are a lot of places that will become uninhabitable and this will lead to mass

displacement and likely a lot of death. It's completely compatible with God's promise to never again destroy all living creatures. Yep. Anyway, Harrison Smith is a dumb fuck religious zealot who's trying to repurpose religious stories to suit his extremist agenda, in this case his opposition to LGBTQ rights and access to reproductive health care. It's a pathetic display and honestly, it's important to recognize that this is not a news show.

They aren't even really conspiracy theory shows at this point. Nope. They're extremist religious programming that's masquerading as something political or about conspiracy in order to make them more interesting and attractive to an audience that would reject them instantly if they were aware that the message they were being delivered and was being pushed to them was religious in nature. These guys on this podcast where they're all drunk, if they realized what was behind Alex's rhetoric and his messaging and how it was really largely a religious message, I don't

think they would think this was as funny. Hey, hey guys. I know we've had a lot of fun, but just to remind you, the earth is only 10,000 years old and your sinfulness is going to get you sent to hell forever. Anyways, don't abort a baby. Hey, I know I'm three quarters of the way through this bottle of Jameson, but I should tell you my conception of angels and demons. And how very serious it is, I can see them demons.

You know, when you read the biblical flood myth, you really start to think, was this written by a dude? Because I think it might have been. It feels very dude written. It's weird to go back and read it after a long time. It had been quite a while since I'd read the story directly from the source. And it was like, hmm, I don't know, maybe, I don't know what it is about my brain, but I can pick out little things that I missed when I was younger, like, huh, that's a weird

detail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Isn't it really kind of strange when you sit down and like grapple with reality and like where we are as a society now, and you look back and you're like, so are you telling me that I was taught when I was a child that God just irrationally murdered everything? And I'm like, and that's the guy I need to worship until I die. That part of the story is really underplayed. Really not important.

I do think that there's still like some metaphorical value in terms of, you know, I don't know. Sure. Disgustness and faithfulness. Or just educational value in learning about how people explain disasters throughout history. Sure. And a moral tradition. Anthropological kind of... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I agree, I agree. And but I just think, I think it would be interesting if back in my Bible study groups or Sunday school, we'd discussed the ramifications of extermination. Yeah, and there are so many better flood myths, too. There's flood myths. There were actual floods. There was always got a flood myth that was around at the time. But there were some great ones.

The only explanation I remember is like, they're all bad. Yep, 100%. The people who died were bad. 100%. That's what they argued. That's not cool. Yeah. No, from the jump in the Bible, it's like, well, listen, killing everything that's evil

is on the table, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that Harrison believes on some level that the motivation behind the flood on God's part was something to the effect of something related to LGBTQ rights. He might be conflating the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. He weaves that in. Of course he does.

Yeah, yeah. And I think the reason that he's doing that is because he doesn't actually remember the flood myth one. Maybe not. But he does remember that the rainbow is the sign of God's covenant. Everybody does. And of course, you look at the, you know, in Christian mythology, I guess you could call it the rainbow was the sign from God as a promise that he would never flood the earth

again. So just think about this, that you have God flooding the earth because of sexual immorality. And then you have the symbol of this, the symbol of his promise to never do it again has been co-opted by alternative sexual lifestyles, Satanic to its very core, I have to say. What? As interesting as Easter and Passover happening on the same day, Dan, is he, is he trying to say that people have all turned to the rainbow? Well, sure.

But that's what he's saying. Of course. But, but, but beyond that, I think what he's saying is that people who have quote unquote, alternative lifestyles are immoral. He is. He is saying that it is, it is immoral to be straight. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's cool. I mean, I guess, you know, just own that position then. Harrison, because it seems like that's what you want to say. Yeah. No, it seems like that is what you are saying. Yeah. Yeah.

It's fucked up. Just come out and say that you think everybody who's not straight should be put to the sword. Yeah. You know, like your God does. I think Harrison might be only a little ways away from that. Yeah, you're probably not wrong. So we get another caller here and this caller was like, I'm still reeling from this. Okay.

This is a minute long. Okay. Listen to the mic down for this because this is confusing. Okay. I'm with it. So now to Carlos in Texas. Thanks so much for calling in Carlos. You are on the air, sir.

Yeah. What's up, Harrison? I want to congratulate you on your newborn child. Thank you very much. You're going to, you know, Paul, man, you're going to raise a great info warrior. I've been listening since David Knight and ever since you came out on the show, you've been a great addition, bro. They should have been had you on.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, man. You do a great job. Hope you keep it up. Thank you. I want to give a huge shout out, huge shout out to the Kalvachil extra strength. Formula.

Here I am soon in a drive parking lot outside of my university with a 5G tower beaming right at me and I'm ready to go for the day, dude. I took tools last night and had a great, a great sleep and I'm ready to go for the day. And not only that, took some more this morning and we're chilling and we're ready to go and start the day, man. And that's it. That's all I had to say. Oh, that's awesome, man.

Yeah, no problem. Please, bro. Thank you very much. That's Dr. Jones's natural extra strength Kalvachil and a beautiful plug from Carlos from Texas. The whole call, the only reason he called in at all was to plug this product. So wait, so you're saying- There wasn't anything else to the call.

So this guy is just like, man, my friends and I took this infowars product and we were like, fuck yeah. I got a good sleep last night. Good call, guys. I got a good sleep last night. Yeah. And then I took some more and I'm chilling. I'm ready to start the day.

Ready to start the day. I'm on campus. There's a 5G tower. It's not getting in my way. Not a problem. Not a problem. I've got to call Harrison. I am chill.

I'm so chill. I'm going to give Harrison a call. Let him know I love David Knight, but listen, the white nationalist happy hour is so better. Harrison has to know how chill I am right now. Fucking chill. I got to call infowars. That's nuts. That is nuts.

That is nuts. And it doesn't sound like a plant because it did sound like that guy was just a little bit high. He sounded a bit high. He sounded pretty damn high. He sounded a bit chill. He sounded fairly chill. Yeah.

I don't know. I think it could have been a plant though. I think it could have because it almost felt like he was bailing when he ended the call. It felt like maybe there was something else and he was like, ah, fuck it. Yeah, whatever. Why the fuck would you call into this show and just be like, hey, your product works? I guess, I guess to let everybody know that it gets you high, man. What a waste of time.

Anyway, we get to this next caller and actually this caller starts by talking about calling up your weed dealer and being like, man, this stuff did it. Shit's good. All right. That was a good call, guys. I'm going to get out of here. So this next caller, Jordan, I had got into this episode and I'd started listening to it because I thought that this was the episode where Harrison interviewed Stuart Rhodes.

Oh, shit. And so I wanted to hear that. Yeah. And when this caller started up, he says, I want to talk about Stuart Rhodes's interview. So I was like, ah, shit, I got the wrong day. Yeah. However, this caller then proceeds to really freak me out. Okay.

Let's go now to Scott in Florida who has a comment about our guest from yesterday, Stuart Rhodes, leader of the Oathkeeper. He was on for an hour or so, breaking his media silence to talk about some of the fallout from January 6th and a caller, Scott from Florida has some comments about this. Thanks for calling in Scott. Did you enjoy the interview or do you have some concerns about it? What's your, what's your, what's your take here? Yes.

Good morning, Mr. Smith and congratulations on your child, your dad, and that's, that's a awesome responsibility. You know, I'd like to say this, Stuart Rhodes is a hero. He's a hero and a patriot, a leader of the Oathkeepers. I pray for him and his family that this evil government does not, uh, uh, incarcerate him. You know, you should have, you should have a panel if you can do a show. I don't know if you can do this where you could get the leaders of the Oathkeepers, the proud boys, the boogaloo boys, the three percenters, my favorite group, the John Birch

Society. Uh, yeah, I haven't heard from the John Birch Society. Uh, if ever there was a group to get involved with, uh, the, uh, takeover of communism, the United States is the John Birch Society, sovereign citizens, West broke out this church. Uh, look, let's be honest. Whoa. Okay. So this list spiraled.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're, we're on the edge of being like, and also let's get Lex Luthor in there. The bad guys from Captain Planet, like, come on, let's just, the whole legion of doom, get them in there, get them in there. Come on, buddy. Let's just go for all evil everywhere.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, like I get the idea of like, let's have a round table pow wow with Stuart Rhodes, maybe someone from the power boys. That seems like, okay, this is where your show is at now. You add the John Birch Society and it's like, oh, you're harkening back to your roots. Yeah, that makes sense. Right. The Westboro Baptist Church.

No, what? Huh? Why? Dude, they don't even have a leader by rules. Yeah. What are we doing? This is very weird. When he said the Westboro Baptist Church, that was one of my, like, uh-oh, uh-oh, what's

going on here? What are we doing? And this caller, it was, this is only the beginning of the trouble with them. That really was the beginning of the trouble. Oh, yes. Oh boy. So this guy is going to put forth the theory, or is the position that January 6th was the beginning of the second American Revolution.

Okay. And I hate to mic down you twice. Hey, oh boy. This is fast. You're going to scream at this. Okay. January 6th, 2021, it's going to go into American history, is the beginning of the second American Revolution.

It's going to be the pinnacle of it, the beginning of it, because this is not over, Mr. Smith. American people are being persecuted, and they're being persecuted by a Zionist-occupied government. And let me relate what that means. When you've got an FBI that interrogates, threatens people, like you were saying yesterday, because they don't like their opinions. They don't like their thought processes. This backs of a Zionist-occupied government.

What I mean by that, I want to be vague. I'm talking specifically about a government that is controlled by APAC, American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a federal reserve that is the Rothschild Bank. Just mentioned a moment ago, Linda Rothschild. That doesn't surprise me, talking about a capitalist world order. International Jewry is at stake here, is involved here, and I know what you said with me last time. Well, it's not, it's not, I'm not talking about average Jews, I'm talking about international

Jews. Oh boy. This is off the rails. Wow. I feel like, I feel like when Rob Do's hosting, he knows to hang up on people who say Zionist-occupied government. Hey, I'm talking about a Zionist-occupied government, and let me be clear on what that means.

Sir, I believe the moment you talk about a Zionist-occupied government, you have been clear on what that means. Yes. Here at Infowars, our branding is supposed to be that we're against that kind of stuff. In order to support that kind of stuff, we have to pretend to be against it. Oh boy. International Jewry, my friend. I have never heard that in a positive way.

Have you ever, have you ever heard, like, it's national, let's celebrate the International Jewry Day. No. What was the name of that book that Ford put out during World War II? Yeah. Is it the International Jew? This is Nazi shit. That is straight up Nazi shit.

Yeah. Yeah. And I would argue, buddy, just, I mean, and look, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I'm going to say that he's very mad at the FBI for choosing to prosecute, go after people who don't share his opinions now. I get the feeling that he was a big fan of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI. You know, maybe. I think he was probably a fan of the FBI murdering people who would say things like Black Lives

Matter. Sure. Or when the tide was so anti-communist. Yeah. I mean, the, the, we're trying to root out communist sympathizers everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. I'm willing to bet there would be a slightly different tone.

Now the thing is that this dude is fucking overt. He doesn't give a shit. He is putting it all out there. Al, he has talked about how it's the international juice, not your regular every day juice. Well, because he's so comfortable, you know, floating all this stuff, he kind of makes clear something that we already know. When Mr. Jones says globalist, I know, I, I, I'm not kidding. I know exactly what he means to him.

I'm not pinning it on him. I'll say it. When, when, in my opinion, when I hear the word globalist, I think of the Rothschilds. I think of the Protestant family. I think of a cabal of international jewelry that is, is pushing forward with this new world order, which I call the true world order. And I hate what's happening to America. He laughed at that.

Harris. He even laughed at this guy saying the true world order. Harrison is straight up outrageous. Harrison's a Nazi. This is outrageous. That's a real Nazi. How is this happening on air? That is a Nazi broadcast.

That's a Nazis. That's Nazis doing Nazi shit. And he's giving up the game a little bit. Whenever I hear Alex say globalist, I know what he's talking about. Yeah. I don't know if that made me, I have a weird reaction to that because part of that made me feel like, well, good for you, buddy. You understand what he's saying.

Well, that's it. It's nice that he at least can read between the lines. I don't know if many people can do that. I think it's bad that he can and does and believes that it's okay to do that. Well, the experience that I had was like thinking no duh, but like, you know, I'm so, I'm so dull or numb to the fact that like that is the code that the characterization that Alex uses the globalist relies so much on these archaic forms of anti-Semitic tropes. Yeah.

And like, I get that. I know that. And so it doesn't surprise me. So it is a little bit shocking to hear somebody just be like, come on, let's talk honestly. I know. It is weird. Yeah. It's really weird.

It's strange because it does indicate that, I mean, this guy isn't the only person in the audience who has a cognizant sort of self-awareness that that's what he thinks Alex is talking about. Yeah. Obviously. Everybody gets it. Everybody gets it. Yeah.

Dude. Why do you think we use the code word to get so we don't sound like this? So we don't sound like this. Yeah, man. God damn it, dude. So this guy, he has some reading materials that he might want to promote to the audience and Harrison lets him. Is he a pes dispenser?

Your listeners are confused and frightened and want some sanity on what's going on. Please God, tell me what's going on. Read a book called The Protocols. There we go. He's a pes dispenser. I know what your listeners, that's a fortune. No, it's not a fortune. Sure.

Sure. And you've made this one before, Scott. And I know you've also mentioned that- You've talked to Scott before? You've called in a few times. Yes, I am. By the way. I am Jewish.

I am Jewish. That sounds like identity politics to me. Great. Great. Sure. I don't care. Yeah. I really don't care.

Just not make any of the things you're saying any better. No, no, no. Don't care. Wow. Yeah. I was also taken aback by that. Like, oh, these guys know each other. Yeah.

Kind of. That's real. That makes me even more uncomfortable where you're like, oh, yeah, oh, no, no, it's this guy. Yeah. Of course I'm going to let him say that he hates all Jews. Duh. Of course I'm going to let him promote the protocols on my fucking show.

You've made this point before. Hang up on this guy. Yeah. Jesus. You know what point he's going to make? Jesus Christ. Anyway, Harrison, not one to shy away. How is it that people are bitching about banning books and the protocol still isn't banned?

Yeah. Dr. Seuss, far more dangerous. Yeah. Got it. Oh, so angry. So Harrison doesn't really like push back too much on this guy. I am too much. Okay.

Yeah. Let me just say, you know, it's interesting that you, you bring it up with Stuart Rhodes because actually one of the things I was going to mention yesterday that I didn't get to Stuart Rhodes is the fact that the organizations who are actually advising the FBI on what to do. I mean, you know, essentially you have the FBI and you would think that they would be answerable only to politicians. They would be taking directives from civilian oversight.

But in reality, what you see, and there's stories going back all the way to 2017 is that it's organizations like the ADL and the SPLC that are actually directing the FBI. Does that sound true to you, Harrison? Now, I'm not calling the ADL and SPLC Jewish organizations. They're calling themselves that. Right? So you have an organization that is of, you know, of a certain ideology that is not claiming to, you know, be for everybody.

It's the Anti-Defamation League. It's a Jewish organization. And yet they're the ones who are directing the FBI. Now, there is a weird sort of disconnect in the American psyche where it's like, how do we not see that that's weird and wrong? It's a private organization that I consider a hate group that has articles about me calling me an antisemite, calling me a homophobe, calling me a racist, calling me all sorts of horrible things that are completely untrue and totally baseless.

Yeah, that's a little tough. That's a little completely baseless. What did they do? Listen to the previous 10 minutes. How would they have known any of these things to claim if they had not listened to me speak for the previous 10 minutes? Yeah. Wow.

Wow. When you have a caller who's insinuating that international Jewry is a cabal that's trying to push the Jew world order. And if anybody in the audience is afraid, they should just read the protocols that the elders of Zion. And then if you then respond with, Hey, you know, the SPLC and ABL are Jewish organizations and they run our FBI and they're a hate group that runs our, Hey, buddy, you are signing off on what this guy is saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You are not disagreeing with him. This isn't a debate. This isn't an airing of alternative ideas that you have. You guys are just both out there. It is.

It is interesting the difference in reaction between because I feel like now that they're all just letting it out, just like, Hey, we're Nazis as fuck. What are you guys doing? Well, I'm a Nazi. You're a Nazi. Let's have a great old conversation about Nazi shit. Like I can feel my guard being lowered a little bit because I'm not like, I'm not like, what is this supposed to mean?

You know, what in what way are they trying to hide and what way are they trying to lie? Yeah. However, I have let my guard down there and put it up to fight because I would like to fight them. I want to, I'm just like the moment you're just like, Hey, we'd love being Nazis. I'm like, Ah, then you're fair game. You know, like it's brutal. Yeah.

I hate these guys. It's a mess. So Harrison does have one rebuttal that I would say he gives and it's just to protect the business. It's just to protect the game. He has to disagree that globalist means international Jewish sure, but he will admit that the ADL, the SPLC and the FBI as well as the government will not only admit that he will bring that to the conversation.

Of course. I do disagree with you there where it's like, Oh, globalist is just a code word. It's not. It's a certain thing. It's a very particular thing that you can subscribe to whatever religion you are and you doesn't mean you subscribe to it if you do. So I do disagree with you, um, you know, on certain points, that's not even what that guy was saying.

Yeah. No, that's right. He's responding to a false point in order to try and protect the, uh, the infowars use of globalist as a dog whistle. Yeah. No, you're, you're just a Nazi, Harrison. Yeah. It's unfortunate for you.

Yeah. For you and for the existence of the rest of us. It's unfortunate for him because like I don't listen to his show much and then I dip in and there's this. It's like, I think you are going to be a lot of my media diet in the future. Wow. Just straight up Nazi shit. Yeah.

God damn. So I got through that call and listened to a little bit more and I just started to get bored. I was like, I'm so overwhelmed by that call. Yeah. How overt and offensive it was. And I'm like, nothing's going to be worse than that. You can't, I can't imagine that it would be worse than that.

Next caller. And that caller had said that the Stuart Rhodes interview that I was looking for was on the other day. Yeah. So I turned this episode off and run over to the Stuart Rhodes. You didn't wait to see if somebody called in and said the Holocaust didn't happen and that Jews are also responsible for all the problems in the world. I don't think it was a caller.

That might have been a guest. That could have been Harrison. So I went to the, the interview with Stuart Rhodes because there's some news about him recently related to the sixth. Right. Right. And I was a super cool dude. Very cool.

Everybody loves him. Very cool. He never wanted any violence at all. I wanted to check in on his response to it and I thought it was interesting that it's on the American Journal, but that's because Alex is deep in the grocery store. So here we find the introduction to Stuart's interview and Harrison has some bad ideas. This is also, like I should say, this is from March 9th. Again, you have to begrudgingly admire the ability of the mainstream media and the corrupt

establishment, their ability to manipulate the minds of the American people, especially when it comes to an event like January 6th, 2021. It was, of course, as more information is coming out, we know, essentially an inside job. The same way that 9-11 was an inside job, 1-6 was an inside job. Flashback to our patriots have taken the capital. Yeah. And when one wants to listen to our coverage of January 6th, Harrison's tone was very

different. Yeah. That actual day. The patriots have taken the capital. No. This is, this is him doing the, I don't know why the SPLC thinks we're racist. Yeah. It's a little bit, it's, it's tough to take with a straight face.

Like, I don't really believe any sincerity here. No, no, no. Fuck, Harrison. So he gets talking about this, the March, or the January 6th protest, and he says something that is categorically not true. What was occurring there was the largest protest, I believe, in American history, the most number of people ever to gather in a single place for a political movement, probably upwards of a million, if I had to guess.

That's not true. I believe is doing a heavy lifting job. Quite a bit. Quite a bit. I believe that that was the big, well, yeah. So Stuart comes in and here's, here's what he is to say about, about all these people who were talking a bunch of noise about how it was an insurrection. Sure.

And they're going for your head, man. I mean, what has it been like for you? Well, it's, it's, it's been like something out of Orwell's 1984, you know, it's, it's thought crime and face crime and all the things that we've seen in the past that's been done to others is now being done, not just to me, but anybody else who's in DSP. That's ridiculous. As you were saying earlier, there were no weapons. No one brought guns.

What kind of an insurrection is that, you know, frankly, it's an insult to the competence no one brought guns, Stuart, that was some kind of planned insurrection. So Stuart Rhodes is coming on the show to try to get out in front of some pretty damning information that's just been released. It's related to the U S's case against Thomas Caldwell, a North Keeper who was arrested related to the storming of the Capitol. Caldwell had made a motion to reconsider his detention and this document that was filed in the evening of March 8th was a response to that motion.

There's some interesting bits in here. The first thing that's important to remember is that the charge this guy is facing is conspiracy to quote stop delay and hinder Congress's certification of the electoral college vote. That's key because the conspiracy wasn't to storm the building. The storming of the building was quote an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy, regardless of when they formed the intent to take these actions. The prosecution isn't claiming that anyone conspired to storm the Capitol, just that they conspired to make it so Congress couldn't carry out its work.

This should scare the shit out of someone like Stuart Rhodes. Yeah, because he did that. The reason it should scare him is that this filing also reveals that the government is in possession of logs from a signal chat titled quote DC op January 6th 21, which was previously undisclosed. Caldwell himself has not been proven to have been in that chat, but Jessica Watkins as well as another unnamed person who were both oathkeepers who were arrested with Caldwell were in there as were multiple quote regional oathkeeper leaders from multiple states across

the country and Stuart Rhodes. Who would have guessed that the people who believe that the government is surveilling them at all times trying to constantly implant them with computer chips to track them would have absolutely no idea that the government could actually read these fucking conversations. These chat logs clearly show that Stuart Rhodes was in contact with multiple people associated with the oathkeepers who stormed the Capitol and also establishes fairly well that they were all involved in a plan to mess with the certification of the Electoral College votes. Based on the publicly available evidence, it looks like Stuart could get rolled up in

this conspiracy charge should the government want to pursue that. The full extent of the chats aren't disclosed, but Stuart did tell the group quote, we have several well equipped quick reaction forces outside DC. There are many, many others from other groups who will be watching and waiting on the outside in case of worst case scenarios. Maybe his people didn't have weapons because they had a plan that involved heavily armed backup teams. Yeah, they didn't have weapons in the Capitol because we were keeping them outside of the

Capitol to use on people who tried to escape the Capitol dummies. On January 3rd, Thomas Caldwell sent a message to a three percenter group asking quote, how many people either in the militia or not who are still supportive of our efforts to save the Republic have a boat on a trailer that could handle a Potomac crossing. If we had someone standing by at a dock ramp, we could have our quick response team with the heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and ferry them across the river to our waiting arms. He then sent maps to people alleged to have been part of his response team.

Well, that doesn't sound good. I wonder, and to be clear, I am just spitballing here, I'm not being sarcastic or facetious at all. I'm just curious. I wonder if this dude got the idea to use the Potomac from listening to Alex's show. On the December 31st episode of Alex's show, just days before Caldwell tried to get this boat planned together, Alex had a caller on his show who suggested this. I just wanted to touch bases with you with the march on DC or the occupation of DC.

I think that you, I'm going to talk to all the Cajun Navy and all these people that did boat parades for the past three to four months. We need to have every single one of those people plug up the Potomac because you know that. That is a genius idea. And can you get boats on the Potomac? Well, I can, I can set out some Facebook posts and stuff, but they don't know what I'm asking you is, I don't see a lot of boats on the Potomac.

I mean, boats can get on the Potomac, can't they? Yeah. Well, I'm sure they can, especially like the Cajun Navy, when the hurricanes come in, they have to go in there and help get people out. I agree. Well, we need to see the Cajun Navy come in and then get on the ground with us, but I totally agree. We need to see, well, cause I'm looking at it.

If they tie up those boats, even if they try to shut down those bridges and that's a pre, you can get into that. I mean, that's a, that's a public area. Tie up those boats. If they try to shut down those bridges, just imagine the Info War Army crossing. And by the way, let me tell you what this is about. It's about global government. It's about lockdowns.

It's about control. That's what the whole COVID hoax is about. Alex changes the subject there a little bit. It's not quite the same thing. This caller is talking about clogging the river with the boats, whereas Caldwell wanted to use them to ferry weapons, but there are some similarities in terms of what's being suggested. Clearly this caller doesn't mean that the entire river should be clogged up, but that

these boats should tie together and block the area off so Info Wars types could cross the river in the event that the bridges were closed. There's thematic similarities to what Caldwell was trying to achieve, but it's probably not connected in any way. Probably not. I just thought it was really interesting. That is a really good coincidence. That it was just a couple days before, and maybe this is just kind of how these folks'

minds work, you know, parallel thinking in terms of like, well, all right, we could use the river. Yeah. It does seem like these are plans that they cobble together from half-remembered war movies from, like, this sounds something like I remember from Bridge on the River Kwai. We're going to go into the Potomac, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, the point here is that Stuart Rhodes is going to have a really interesting year,

and it also makes a whole lot more sense why he was trying to promote Jessica Watkins' Legal Defense Fund after the sixth. Yeah, that does make sense. Yeah. Yeah. So Stuart, he has a bit of a lie here about the signal messages that he's been sending. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, the only thing they've got is a message from me posted on our operational chat on

Signal saying, anybody who's not on a PSD, come to the northeast corner of the capital. That's where I was standing. I wanted to be there, and my intent was to make sure that our guys stayed out of trouble. This is a lie. At 1.38 on January 6th, Stuart posted in that chat, quote, all I see Trump doing is complaining. I see no intent by him to do anything, so the Patriots are taking it into their own hands. They've had enough.

Later, Stuart sent a message to regroup on the south side of the capital, not the northeast side, as he's saying here on the show. At 2.41, Stuart posted a photo of the southeast side of the capital captioned, quote, south side of US capital Patriots pounding on doors. By that point, multiple people in the chat had entered the US capital course. We'll see how this shakes out and everything, but Stuart is totally full of shit here. It's outrageous. That's that's fucked.

Yep. That is fucked. Now, it's interesting because Stuart has a little bit of a what are you going to do kind of defense? Sure. Here. What other defense do you have? You've been caught red handed.

Listen to this. All right. And let me let me give you something to think about while you're listening to this. Okay. Assume he's telling the truth. I will do my best. Now, ask yourself if he's telling the truth. Is this okay?

Okay. Because it's not. Okay. And we had a situation with North Carolina, sadly, our North Carolina chapter already gone rogue and it declared on a chat that I wasn't even on. They declared to other other guys in North Carolina that in D.C. on January the 6th, they were not going to have anything to do with national or take part in anything the national was doing.

They were going to do their own thing and they posted that on December 31st. A member took a screenshot and sent to me. So there's that. So there's that. Right. So Carolina's gone rogue. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So look, guys, it's what what. So I built this organization entirely around right wing violence and a super strong distrust of centralization. Yep. Yep. And then strangely enough, one chapter went rogue and decided that I had no control over them.

One chapter essentially declared states rights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool.

Yeah. That's cool. I've created these heavily armed mini armies. Yeah. And when I was out, I accidentally created warlords, my bad guys, my bad. I created roving bands of warlords. Really a huge mistake on my part. Oops.

Exactly. One of the reasons why people don't like what you do and people have been pointing out stuff like this. Oh, okay. So you guys were talking about the warlord problem. I know. Now I see what you were talking about. Oh, you were saying that if I create these loosely connected group of armies, one of

them might go rogue. Oh, crazy. You know what's strange about lionizing a leaderless resistance? It seems that they don't want to follow my leadership for some reason. Yeah. I mean, if this is true and like, let's say that the North Carolina crew was responsible for everything, I still think Stuart should get sued. Yeah.

I think you still created the whole shebang. You don't just get to say like, whoops, my group went rogue. Hey, no, no, no, no, look, it happens. Yeah. Yeah. No. Anyway. I'm off the hook because they went rogue.

See? Yeah. No accountability there. This represents what the government's argument is. Keep in mind that the charge that this Oath Keeper is facing is related to conspiracy to obstruct and interfere with the Congress's electoral vote. They're trying to say that because we said the election was stolen, this was very dangerous about this.

Yeah. Anyone who said the election was stolen and that encouraged people to go to DC. And then like we did, encouraged Trump to invoke the insurrection act. And we said, if he does, we're willing to serve as the militia, if he calls us in the service, which is a perfectly constitutional and legal act by the president. If he declares an insurrection and calls us up under federal law as the militia that calls in the service, he has every right and authority to do so. They're trying to make that a crime.

They're trying to led that. No, they're not. No. That's not at all what they're doing. If so, you would already be in prison. Yeah. Yeah. It's the, anybody could say come to DC, anybody could say come be a part of this protest.

You can't, you can't conspire to interfere with Congress's business. Well, there's that. Well, you actually can. Yeah. As long as you don't do anything. Right. You can conspire unless you make a overt act towards furtherance of the conspiracy. See, here's what my defense would be.

My defense would be it was a nonviolent protest. Now the problem with that defense is that it wasn't right. So that kind of changes your, yeah, you know, like if nothing had happened and they were levying this charge to stop the, let's say you could have been like, see, nothing happened. We didn't do anything. We didn't go anywhere. It was just a protest. Let's say no one breached the Capitol.

No one had a protest outside, just a regular old protest. Then nothing would be happening. Nothing would happen. No. Nobody's a problem. The problem that happened after the thing, yeah, because Congress's ability to carry out the vote wouldn't have been impeded. No.

No, no, no. So it wouldn't have been a crime. Right. It would have been just a regular protest. If overt acts weren't taken to further the conspiracy, the conspiracy wouldn't be prosecuted. Yeah. I think they're they're mistaking that they think we're criminalizing the first part where you're like, Hey, we don't like this thing.

Let's all get together and be like, no, uh, whenever our problem was the second part when they were like, let's go kill people. That was the, that was my problem with it. I don't like the combination of it, but it's the second part that's, that's a legal problem. Yeah. That's the one that's coming back to bite you in the ass. Yeah.

So it turns out that because of what's happening and the prosecution of these people for storming the Capitol and all this turns out, there's no more constitution. Oh, we are now living in a post-Constitution America and every act they take, this makes that clear and clear to more Americans. You are not going to get justice at the hands of this so-called justice department as you call it the injustice department. Nice. Get them.

I don't know. I mean, this is one of those things that's so fucking dramatic. Yeah. This is again, the just the drama nonsense of these people, there's, we're in a post-Constitution America. Well, hey, I mean, if you're in post-Constitution America, guess what, you don't have the right to own guns. Yeah.

So, so we can take those real quick. I got bad news. Bummer. You're going to have to quarter some soldiers. We're living in a post-Constitution. Fuck off. And the thing that makes it even more silly, cosplaying cowards, well, the thing that makes it even more silly is that Harrison agrees with him that we're living in a post-Constitution

America. And then he plays a clip of Marjorie Taylor Greene talking about defending the Second Amendment. Today, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Congresswoman, rose to speak against HR eight, which is a national gun registration and HR 1446, which is a permanent firearm waiting list. So, the Democrats are coming after our constitutionally guaranteed rights, one after the other. And there's no sense of them slowing down, only increasing their speed.

They're not constitutionally protected anymore, according to you. There's no constitution. We're post-Constitution. What are you talking about? You guys got to adjust your fucking rhetoric. If you're going to say we're living in a post-Constitutional America, don't fucking talk to me about the Constitution then. Which one?

Fuck your Second Amendment if it's post-Constitution. None of you have fucking read it to begin with! Fair enough. And that's all good and well. But like, okay, I mean, if it's like, it's Thunderdown then. It's the... Yeah. Yeah.

Come... Fucking let's do this then. It's... If we're living it, if you really sincerely believe... Mad Maxime, let's go. If you sincerely believe that the Constitution no longer applies, we're in a post-Constitution America. And you're not just saying that to be a dramatic weirdo, then it should implicate a whole bunch

of your other beliefs. Yeah, totally. And you should no longer be talking about protecting the Second Amendment because if there is no Constitution, there's no amendments to the Constitution. No, there's only the amendments. I guess you probably should stop complaining about free speech. Well, don't worry about that too much. That's not guaranteed.

Nope. Not anymore. It's post-Constitution America. So you're going to say post-Constitutional America, then essentially what you're saying is if we want the Constitution back, we're going to have to overthrow the fucking United States government. Yes. And write a new one or whatever.

Exactly. Yeah. Or re-establish the old one, but either way, ultimately, you are saying we need to overthrow the United States government. And the way we're going to do that, according to Stewart, is purging the GOP. See, there we go. It's disgusting to watch all these so-called Republican leaders throw everyone at the Capitol under the bus, condemn them all, and agree with the Democrats.

This was an insurrection and all its nonsense. We have got to purge the Republican Party, and it has to start at the bottom up. You got to purge out all the rhinos, all the cowards or traders that dominate the GOP. Oh, they're gone. It is full, infested with both of those, both traders and cowards. You got to purge them out and put real patriots in there like Mrs. Green, and you got to get more of that. You got to get more Marjorie Taylor-Green's in there.

Do not. Do not. It's for one second. Do not Stewart Rhodes for one second say that someone else is a coward. For one second. One, you're going on this show lying about the shit that you did on the sixth. If you were not a coward, Stewart fucking coward-ass Rhodes, then you would have turned yourself in.

You would have claimed that this whole thing is bullshit, and you would have said, I'm going to stand and fight these fucking charges because I'm not a coward. And instead, you went on a radio show, not even a good one. You went on a shitty radio show to say, ooh, I didn't do anything. No, no, no, no, no. They're going to blame me for stuff that I had nothing to do with. I'm not involved in the... They went rogue.

The North Carolina guys went rogue. We need to get rid of cowards and traders because the North Carolina guys went rogue. The North Carolina guys went rogue and did all the things that we constantly talk about doing. No one is a bigger coward than Stewart Rhodes. No, no, no, no. That fucking coward. No, no, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Marco Rubio. Oh, that's fair. That's fair. The mainline Republicans need to vote them out and get more Marjorie Taylor Greene's in. We need to get rid of cowards. Now, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, the federal government did, I didn't do anything. No, no, no, I will never take responsibility for any of my actions.

Of course not. Also insinuates that even if that goes through, it's not going to really work, but it might help. What a fucking asshole. He still thinks that violence probably is going to happen. What an asshole. So we get towards the end of this interview and Harrison gives us basically what this is mostly really actually about.

I want you to tell us, Stewart, somebody who's listening right now, they see what's going on and they're thinking, what do I do as soon as this program's over? What do I do? Of course, go to infowarstore.com. You go to oathkeepers.org. What can they do? Who do they call? Ghostbusters.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. I mean, it's more or less a 40 minute infomercial for, for Stuart Rhodes, feigning ignorance and innocence. Yeah. And then also trying to get money. Why not just tell Stewart to take some of that fucking chill, man?

If you're going to be dramatic about the post-constitutional America, we got some products that will chill you the fuck down. I will say protect you from 5G and get you ready for your day. Here's that it works. It seemed to get that dude pretty high. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I have trouble sleeping sometimes.

Maybe I should. I mean, no, I will not. I want to make this clear. I'd have gotten this question a couple of times and especially recently, people have asked, have I ever tried Alex's products? Fuck no. And we haven't addressed this in a while. No, no, no.

Would I ever? No, no, no. Other people do those videos. You can watch them. They're great. They're going to be better than us. We're just going to be sad. Yeah.

We're going to be like, oh, this is disgusting. Why would anybody do this to themselves? And realizing that we were doing it and then we get so sad. So we come to the end of this and one of the things that I really am pretty insistent on in my own head is I'm going to be paying more attention to Harrison. This dude is a real fucking problem. This dude's a Nazi Nazi. I mean, the, the, the kind of thing that is apparently acceptable conversation on his

show is, is further than most of the time that you see on Alex's show. It's, it's outrageous the kind of things that you'll hear on here. I did not think I would, I would get to this point, but Harrison brought me here a lot faster than I was expecting. I miss David Knight. Yeah. Boring as hell. Boring, but he wasn't a.

He knew how to walk that line. Yeah. And honestly, I think that, you know, not to, not to be too explicit about my feelings about this. I honestly think that this is revealing too much. Yeah. I think that this is actually incredibly bad strategy on their part. I think that this is bad for info wars and as such, it appears to be a head poking up

and I'm going to play whack-a-mole with it. I'm going to pay more attention to him because I think it's a soft exposed underbelly and a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to play the game. Yeah. That Alex and Owen Troyer clearly play better where they can shut this stuff down. They can give the appearance of signaling to these white nationalists and anti-semitics. I love your call, but this isn't really the topic that we're going on right now. Click the next one.

Yes. Absolutely. Harrison clearly either doesn't have the desire or the ability or the, the smoothness to be able to have all that in the package of his presentation. Yeah. If we get through that, we'll probably see a lot of really, really fucked up stuff. Yeah. We, we, I used to joke about it that it's a, one of the reasons that it was edifying to

watch Alex Jones. One of the reasons that we do this show is because Alex was the weakest link in the propaganda chain. And now Harrison is the weakest link of the fours. Harrison is way weaker than that. Harrison's not even a link. Holy shit. Harrison's a fucking flower.

It's a dandelion. People twirled into a circle. So we'll check back in on him from time to time and be trying to pay attention, keep up with him as well as Alex Monday. Hopefully Alex will be back from his grocery store. We'll have Alex Jones episode that's something that's really funny. Just to cleanse. Sorry, sorry guys.

We were going to do an Alex episode, but he was at the grocery store. Just to cleanse our pallets after this. We have Stuart Rhodes lying his ass off Harrison fielding calls from outright anti-Semite Nazi types. And all the meanwhile, Alex, because the state is so fricking awesome, Florida is awesome. Yeah, Florida and seed the table. The great old farms giving up for all the great crew here bugs. Yeah.

Everybody's shopping in his place. It's awesome. Alex flew to Florida for three claps. Everybody be shopping. Everybody be shopping. This seems like a great way to take a vacation while still pretending to work. Yeah. Yeah.

And go pay Roger. Exactly. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back on Monday. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yes.

We are also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledgefight.com. I go to bed. Jordan. Yep. We're also on Facebook. We are.

If you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. And I'm the Prince of the Pan Flute.

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