Knowledge Fight - #542: September 15, 2010

Episode Date: March 22, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan take a trip back to the past to enjoy a decade-plus old chat between Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo. Also, Alex defends someone who is definitely not a witch.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. We're couple dudes like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan. Jordan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today is another counter shout out. Another

counter shout out. Counter bright spot. Aha. An anti bright spot. I could not resist the urge. Oh, no. Well, I was sitting around in the house. I saw those Coca Cola with coffee staring at me. You did it again. I tried the vanilla one. I swear you learn better than anyone else in certain areas and in others, you're simply impossible. I'm a glutton for punishment when it comes to weird packaged goods. I've never had it before. It's like you're guiding light whenever you're at a store. Yeah, but it also it's a pre specific space. That's true because if it was like Coca Cola now with octopus, right, right, right? That's not going to do it. It has to also intrigue you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you. And kind of a really like 13 year old kid might get excited

by this kind of way. That's a new type of nerd. That's my sweet spot. I got speaking of which they've got the nerd ropes. They got crooks. Ropes came out like 15, 20 years ago. Fine. Fine. We sold those at the movie theater. I used to work out when I was like 17. I'm sorry. I'm not a snack nerd, if you will, dad. So I tried the vanilla one and I gotta say it was better. Okay, still really bad. All right, still disgusting. Okay, but it was kind of like, you know, the vanilla masked some of the problems of the coffee. Sure. Let's add a fourth flavor. Yeah, let's throw. Yeah, let's just keep tossing stuff in there. Cherry vanilla coffee. Let's see if we can fucking make this taste. Not atrocious. It's like when somebody describes wine to you and they're like,

it's got an oaky finish and there's hints of fruit in there and somebody's like, well, what if we just added all those flavors into Coke and be like a regular drink? Yeah, yeah. It's a Somaliae. I say nay. Somaliae. I'm gonna try the caramel one at some point. Well, of course, naturally, it's you're you're already a pot committed here. This is that's in the fridge. Yeah, it's like, I'm gonna drink it at some point. It's just a matter of how long and how many times will I stare at it? Yes, before I try. Yeah. What's up? It's your bright spot by bright spot. Dan is it happens to be a very beautiful day in Chicago. My partner and I went and played tennis and wow, the outside is nice. Dan, you remember the outside? I've heard I've heard tale of it. You

remember the outside. What were you doing? You were doing it. You were what do you do on the show again? You were working on. Yes, doing that part of it. Yes. Okay, I were enjoying the outdoors. There is that. It's great that you get to do that. Wow. We also frequently have conversations about how much I love nature and how you think it sucks to go away. There is that. Yes. I'm a man of many contradictions, Dan. Well, I'm glad you had fun playing big time ping pong. Yeah, it was great. Big old ping pong. Yeah, it's real big. That was the original name. Originally ping pong was called Wifwaf in the United States, but before that tennis was called great big Wifwaf. What's pickle ball? Pickle ball is that related to tennis? It's

isn't it the one where it's got the wiffle ball and there's holes in it and you do the thing with I don't know. I don't know. I don't think pickles are actually involved. I'm not sure that they're not. I've heard that word a lot and I don't know what I have heard pickle ball as well. Please don't send me messages about it. I'm going to look into it as soon as we stop recording thousand messages. So Jordan today we get an interesting episode to go over. We're going to be doing a little bit of a time travel adventure going back or forward. You ask that every time and we can't go forward. I've tried. We're going back to 2010. Okay, the the magical 11 year old time of 2010. Sure. Things were so different. Yeah, it's like the turn of the

millennium, but instead of the Iraq war, we had more of the Iraq war. Sure. Yeah, sure. We had the midterms coming up. Uh huh. We had my an apocalypse on the horizon. Sure. That's still to come. Certainly. Yeah. A lot of interesting stuff happening. So I'm excited to to dabble in on this. But before we get into that, let's take a little moment to say thank you. Some folks who joined up in our now policy one. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Dr. Yummy feet. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Dr. Yummy feet. Thank you. Next, Brendan, the policy wonk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Brendan, the policy wonk policy wonk. Thank you. Next, Cranthulus, the 12th Conqueror of Five

Empires, Lord of the Blood Pits of Fentha, a Fathna. Excuse me. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Yeah. Fethna gets really pissed if you don't pronounce their name properly. Yeah, it's a brutal, brutal feeling. I've known for my mispronunciations of this location. So I'm sure the Fethniggans will hashtag on brand. Okay. Next, paranoid lemming. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, paranoid lemming. And thanks for the brain worms, John. Much love from E. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. This might be connected. What's that? I do believe that these are both about the same person. Okay. We have a policy wonk pile on.

So the next one is, John, I blame you for getting joker-fied. Love Rex. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much to all of you. I think John is maybe getting some people into the show. John, you gotta get to damn. So thanks, John. So, Jordan, like I said, we're going back in time. And I've made this call on the show before. And I think I did it at a time when we had a smaller audience than we do now. And maybe this will have a little bit more reach. And so if anybody out there listening has access to really old Alex Jones episodes, like late 90s, early 2000s, please reach out. I would like to try and find a way to get my hands on stuff from like 95, 96, 97. And if anybody has a line on those,

I've tried a number of avenues and they all kind of reach dead ends. A lot of people have some tips. Did you text him? No. Oh, I have not. I've considered that last option. That assumes that you already have his number. Hey, Alex, you got those old episodes for me. There are a number of paths that I've gone down that seemed like, oh, this is a workout. It's kind of difficult. I think there's some, the episodes exist somewhere. I know that for sure. But it's very, very difficult to find them in any meaningful way. Do you think the Smithsonian has them? Got to. Library of Congress? Of course. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, somebody's got to. So today, Jordan, I was trying to find a fun time travel thing to do.

And, you know, it's tough. It's a challenge. Yeah. And you're a witch. So you have high standards. Yeah. My standards for witchcraft are real. Yeah, exactly. I got a message from a guy by the name of Kirby Ferguson, who does some videos on YouTube. And Kirby just finished up a duo of videos about Joe Rogan and Alex's last interview and sort of some of the techniques and the styles that are used in the conversation. And I really enjoyed watching that. It was really a nice thing. And so I started thinking like, let's find some Rogan. Oh, no. So I went back to September 15th, 2010 and found welcome ladies and gentlemen, welcome and thank you for joining us. It's September 15th on this Wednesday, 2010 transmission. I got a call last night. Joe Rogan,

ultimate fighting is in town and he was inviting me tonight to see the UFC. And I said, Hey, why don't you come into studio and get his view on politics and quote conspiracies. So that is good. But that wouldn't be enough. No, no, that's not enough. This is before the Joe Rogan experience, right? Or like at the very beginning of it, maybe I would have a hard time knowing exactly when it started. I know that he promotes Joe Rogan dot net, which is his website, right? That's where the Rogan experience was initially. Okay, so I could see it maybe being in like its earliest stages. At the very least we know he does not have one hundred million dollars yet. He certainly doesn't.

But he does have a friend. Okay. And Eddie Bravo is a master. He's also going to be in studio with Joe today. So we got an episode with Alex Eddie and Joe Rogan in Alex's studio. I thought this would be a fun little thing to glimpse back on. So you know, take a little bit of a load off from the present day nonsense, maybe be a little bit lighter. This was back when Eddie Bravo was still a practicing doctor, I believe, right? Dr. Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, he is licensed. He's a boy. He's not made for FCC controlled things. We'll get to it when we get to it. So Alex is going to talk to them at the end of the show. That's third hour business. Sure, I was like, I wonder what's going on beforehand and what sort of show they're, you know, by

appearing on it and being advertised as guests on the show. What are they basically? What are they? Elevated. Yeah, what's going on? Yeah. And so we get to Alex talking about how back when his grandma's was around, you know, in grandma's time, it was offensive to see a belly button and I dream of Jeannie. Okay. But now society is collapsing. Oh, boy. In fact, last night I was talking to my mom and she was discussing her grandmother back in the 60s, was over at their house and she saw I dream of Jeannie and she was just shocked by the fact that the woman's navel was visible. And now, you know, you could make fun of people who were shocked by things like that, but I will civilizations have been wild and decadent and crazy before

and people figure out, Hey, we better control this to some level or it causes society to collapse because it's a slippery slope. Now look at the end of days. People see millions and millions over their lifetimes of simulated murders and deaths and torture. And every time I go to a movie to analyze it, I'm not really a fan of really violent films. What is because I realize how serious it is unless it's in a serious context. I would have liked to been in the theater when the road came out a few years ago, I saw it on DVD and was profoundly affected by it because I've studied so much history. I know how accurate it was dealing with cannibalism and deprivation. I never, I've never put the pieces together and tell that clip that Alex's entire idea of like

everyone becomes a cannibal within 15 days is just from the road. Cormac McCarthy. Yeah, straight up. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't rely on Cormac McCarthy for the betterment of mankind in terms of thematic elements, but Alex pretends that that's like stuff from studies and everyone becomes a cannibal within 15 days. Yeah. No, I mean, that's just kind of like, yeah, there's a bunch of like bad people who are cannibals in the road. I can see if they had made a movie of it. I could see Alex's devil being based on the judge from Blood Meridian, but that was a book and it's hard to read even if you're good at reading. So just post apocalyptic fiction novel that's got turned into a movie that Alex is pretending is real. Yeah, Viggo Mortensen, right? Yeah,

I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a good Viggo film. Most historical examples of cannibalism have been in ritual context, which makes sense because the amount of energy you'd need to exert to kill and eat a non cooperative human would not be worth whatever nutritional value you gain from it. It would be smarter from a caloric perspective to eat just about anything else. This is just another example of some supposedly researched position that Alex has got that he is coming from a movie that he experienced as real. I mean, you know, in many ways, I would argue that man is the most dangerous game because it can it fights back and it's harder to trap. Yeah. So if there's easier game, go for the easier game. And that includes leaves and shit, man. It's not

hard. True. It's not hard. No, no. And the other thing too is like you will find a number of examples over history, of course, of people who are in desperate situations who resort to cannibalism and a lot of party and such. Sure. Yeah. A lot of those make those sort of unique are isolation. It's in isolation. That's really crucial for those. Yeah. It's a lack of other legitimate options. Somebody who's lost at sea or you might eat somebody. Yeah. If they were on perhaps a road, right, it would be far easier. The problem for many of these people is that they are trapped in the middle of nowhere with no hope of escape or anywhere. If there's foliage and wildlife, it's substantially easier and better for everyone to not eat people. Yeah. So much better

to not eat people. And you don't need to wait 15 days. Nope. Nope. So dumb. Oh, what a dumb, dumb. I'm not going to eat any of these goddamn fruits. So Alex has this idea that like, and he sort of touched on it in that last clip. And that is this notion that fake violence on TV and seeing it makes you experience it the same way you'd experience real violence. Sure. And I have some thoughts about this. Oh, yeah. Somebody who's shocked by images of violence and death, someone, you know, setting themselves on fire or blowing their brains out. You know, there's real footage of that out there on the web. Back in Vietnam, people were shocked by the image of children who'd been napalm with their skin burned off. People were shocked by the image of Vietnamese

police, you know, blowing a man's head off in the street. That's shocking. But now people are like, big deal. They laugh about it. Not that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's because A, they don't know history. B, they don't have common sense. And C, they haven't experienced trauma. Wild. And this has all been done by design so that when your neighbors are being abused by the jackbooted thugs, or when the CPS is taking your kids, your, your, your, even your own family isn't going to be shocked by it and just accept that bad things happen. Because the mind sees all this simulated violence on television as, as real. And so it can't differentiate between fact. Cut off at the break. That clip is really key to me to the point where it's one of the only

times I can remember where I'm really disappointed he got cut off by the break. It's kind of interested in where he was going. Yeah. Here, Alex is lamenting how fake violence on TV is experienced by people as real violence. And that desensitizes them to seeing instances of real life violence. I don't know how common that is necessarily as a phenomenon. I bet there is some effect that it has, but I know that I've seen plenty of horror movies in my life and I still pretty much experience depiction of the violence difference than I do actual violence. Yeah. Pro wrestling is a really good example of this. I can watch people hit each other with chairs and send each other through tables, but if I were watching that being done for real, I would not enjoy it.

Anytime it appears that someone has actually hurt themselves in wrestling, reality creeps in, and I become worried for the performer because it's possible to enjoy the narrative depiction of combat and still remember that it's a performer performing. Then there's stuff like the UFC where people are fighting for real and people are trying to hurt each other. This is still kind of ritualized violence where everyone watching understands that these are two trained competitors who've agreed to fight each other under specific rules to see who's better at the sport. It's closer to real world violence, but it's something that's formalized, professional, and both parties have consented to what's going on in the contest. And then there's movies. Right. Right. Which are just

totally fictional. Those are fictional, yes. Most people can tell the difference between these forms of displays of violence and experience them differently, whether that different experience is conscious or subconscious. It seems to me that Alex cannot, and he assumes that because that is his experience, everyone else must also not be able to differentiate between the two. Now here's where this point gets important. Because Alex can't tell the difference between fiction and reality, he can't also tell the difference between reality and fiction. In the same way that he thinks that a fictional movie like The Road depicts a legitimate, realistic, cannibal future, he has a tendency to think very real things like the Sandy Hook shooting

were completely staged. Alex pretends that exposure to fictitious violence has made everyone desensitized to real world violence. And yet in my experience, one of the major themes of his show is denying the experiences of people who have experienced the effects of real world violence because he thinks it's fake. Yes. I think that's an important dynamic to recognize. Yeah. I mean, there's that extra level of not just because, you know, he can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. And so he assumes everybody else can't tell the difference. Yes, I do think there is a right. That is part of the dynamic. But that like second level of, of course, he can't also not assume that of everyone else, because if he were to realize that other people

can easily tell the difference between reality and fiction, that would be an attack upon him personally. Or it would tell him that it's possible to tell the difference to between reality and fiction. You know, so the only way that he can maintain his psyche through this is by assuming that not only can nobody else tell the difference between reality and fiction, but that he's the only person who can tell you you can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. Yeah, perhaps that is that is true. Yeah, he's a mess. Yeah, he's a mess. Yep. That's a real bummer. So Alex has another story that's going around. And this is this is interesting to me because, you know, he's he's above the political divide, right? Sure. The left, right paradigm is an

illusion. And it's all meant to get us all mad at each other and fighting for no reason. Yeah, Democrat, left, right, right, conservative, Republican, meaningless words, all just infighting for no reason. This seems weird. This is 2010. This is a big story at info wars.com by Kurt Nemo Pennsylvania Homeland Security puts anti tax protesters on list of terror threats. And we got same reports out of Texas. Six years ago, listing gun owners veterans as the number one threat. But because it was Bush's administration doing it, conservative media wouldn't pick up on it. Now that it's Obama, meet the new boss, same as the old boss, like the who song says, it's like, oh my gosh, Obama wants to go after conservatives, folks, you've always been the enemy. Again,

I would watch conservative pundits on Fox and listen to them on the radio read from reports that I had, they didn't tell you they were reading a report. But I'd read the reports, we'd covered it here. I knew they were reading federal demonization scripts. Whoever's loading their teleprompter is a globalist. I mean, they're getting a direct government propaganda feed. We know they're bad. It's open and shut. So if you understand what he's saying, if you get to the root of what he's saying, when he's trying to make this argument that he's above this sort of left, right, new boss, same as the old boss. He's saying that Obama is targeting conservatives right in the same way that the conservatives targeted conservatives. Yes,

the left isn't the target of any of this stuff. It's not the it's it's they are always the victim of no matter what no matter who's in charge. Yeah, the enemy of the globalists is these conservatives. Yeah, like Alex is. Yeah, it's interesting. It's only the only the far right white, but it's only the far right. But it's interesting that he can articulate this this idea of like it doesn't matter who's in charge. They're all the same. But the thing that he's saying that they're all the same about is that they're all globalists who hate super far right people like me. Yeah, I mean, essentially, it's like, hey, we don't have any white nationalist candidates and then they got a white nationalist candidate and they were like, holy shit, this

is what we've been wanting the whole time. Yeah. And here in 2010, you're starting to see a little bit of the beginning of that materializing into a possibility with the tea party being on the rise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, because of whiteness. It was a major driver. Yeah, yeah, big big deal and coke money. Yeah, not coke, brother money, coke brother money. Yes. Yes. So in terms of that, there's something that's going on at this point in September and that is that Cristino Donald was running for the seat in Delaware Senate and there had been some a little bit of squabbling. Carl Rove had come out and he'd had an interview that was a little bit critical of of O'Donnell and Alex is not happy about this. Here is the New York Times today. GOP leaders

say Delaware upset hurts Senate hopefuls. Now they basically said the same thing about Rand Paul. They sent in Cheney to campaign against him. They put all their money behind the Republican establishment pro bailout candidate. They demonized him just like the Democrats are now doing. And he's widened his lead against the Democrat in the last few months since he won the primary against the Republican. But they said the same thing. Oh, people extreme like him. And they lied about what he really stood for. He can't win. And so they create this self fulfilling prophecy of, oh, you can't vote for that candidate because they can't win. And now the Republicans are creating the hoax with the Democrats that all these different real Tea Party candidates

who actually, you know, are against the out of control spending the banker bailouts and the rest of it that that that they're bad and that they can't win and you need to go for establishment Republicans, the same Republicans that are for more banker bailouts, the same Republicans that under Bush four separate times tried to pass amnesty, the same Republicans like Newt Genrich, who want global carbon taxes and their want world government. And the hoax intensifies. I have the transcript here. We're not going to play the entire clip, but it's up on info wars.com and prisonplanet.com in an article that Paul Watson's written anti establishment fervor, a hammer blow to the Washington elite. But here's a transcript from Fox News from last night.

Carl Rove questions Christine O'Donnell's serious character problems. And then I have the quotes here. They're saying because it took 20 years for her to pay off her student loans that that is deceptive. Again, the serious questions about how does she make her living? Why did she mislead voters about her college education? How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills? I've seen numbers of upwards of half of many college students now not paying their loans because they can't cancel them. Right? Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, you're on top of it. Alex. You should absolutely cancel student loan debt. I think that's Alex's position. So first of all, fuck Carl Rove. Yeah, that being said, Rove was just protecting his brand there and everybody's

brand. And it's not really anything more interesting than seeing conventional Democrats be resistant to embrace AOC in the present. There's just that tension. Yeah, someone like O'Donnell in particular and the aesthetics of the Tea Party in general were a vast departure from the type of politics that Rove had excelled at for decades. So obviously we represent a threat to his position in the market either as a strategist or a commentator on Fox News. Yeah, let's keep the depths of our evil quieter guys. That was Carl Rove's philosophy, I believe. In the end, though, Rove was probably right. Christine O'Donnell was unelectable. She finished third in the GOP primary in 2006 after making some pretty offensive comments about the LGBTQ community and lost the 2008

general election to Joe Biden, who was simultaneously running for vice president. She would follow this up by losing the 2010 general election after it came out that she had, quote, dabbled in witchcraft in high school, and then more to the problem released this ad. I'm not a witch. I'm nothing you've heard. I'm you. None of us are perfect, but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us. Politicians who think spending, trading favors, and backroom deals are the ways to stay in office. I'll go to Washington and do what you do. I'm Christine O'Donnell, and I approve this message. I'm you. I was really hoping she'd say I'm not a witch. I wanted her to say I'm not a witch at the end, just like just to read a reminder.

I'm not a just take just a double down on that. Yeah, not a witch here. Obviously, I don't care if someone messed around with some witch shit. Of course, some of the coolest people I know have spent some time in that water. I don't care, but man, Republican voters sure do. Yeah, yet she is. It's one thing to have dabbled in witchcraft in your past when you're trying to run for office, but it's another thing to cut an ad that starts by saying I'm not a witch. Yeah, that's so goofy and embarrassing from a political strategy perspective that anyone who would do that is someone you shouldn't trust to make good decisions. Totally. It's either an indication of them having bad instincts or being surrounded by people who have bad instincts and neither

is a good option. This 2010 midterm and the Tea Party candidates that came into office with it were a warning of the future we were heading toward. It's not surprising to look back at 2010 and see Alex supporting someone like Christine O'Donnell and then flash forward to today to see him backing Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah, this is what he does. Yep. The issues about O'Donnell's college history and loans probably sound like petty issues, but the point Karl Rove was making was more that the way that O'Donnell was addressing these questions about her history didn't come off as convincing. For instance, as early as 2006, she claimed to be a graduate of Fairleigh Dickinson University but actually didn't complete her degree until September 2010. The reason for the delay

had first been claimed to be student loan related issue, like a delay because of that. Sure, sure, sure. But then the story became that she had to finish an outstanding elective course before she could get her degree. Rove was expressing on Fox News that if she was going to win, she would have to be more forthright. He said exactly that, quote, she can't get away with simply saying my answer is on my website or it's puzzling to me why the IRS would file a lien for me when I didn't pay my taxes in 2005. I mean, she's got to be more honest than that. If she does, she's got a shot to win, but it's got to be passionate and factual and hard hitting. Yeah, you know, and I think the very, see, you should have somebody like me if you're going to cut a

political ad because if you open with I'm not a witch, the reasonable person's response is that's just what a witch would say. Right. I know which I know witches aren't real. But my first thought when she said I'm not a witch is like, Oh, that's a witch talking right there. That's a witch. And I think I haven't seen a witch before. And I think anybody with like just a little bit of political instincts or any awareness of how the media cycle works is like, you're going to get piled on for that. Yeah. Leave it alone. Don't don't say I'm not a witch. Don't worry about it. So easy to ignore. I didn't add about how compassionate you are and how you care about the needs of the people of Delaware. Don't don't open. Don't get ahead of the witch story.

I got to get, I got to get out in front of this witch thing. If I don't do this, the people think I'm still a witch. I think that's what's really funny about that is Christina Dottles' name immediately popped up. There was a space in my brain for it, but I wasn't 100% sure. And then you said, which, and I was like, Oh yeah, I remember that. I remember that. I remember that which Alex doesn't really actually know all that much about her, but he's decided to defend her just because he likes who doesn't seem to like her. Yeah. Now I don't know this lady from the side of a barn, but the fact that the system is attacking her, the fact that the system is demonizing her, the fact that they have the Republicans and Democrats coming out

against her. I mean, that tells you all you need to know. So yeah, Alex is just like defiant, basically. Yeah. But you know, entire reason. Yeah. But you know, it's funny is like, why isn't Alex talking about how she's a witch? He seems to hate witches. He hates witches. It's because that clip doesn't come out until two days after this episode. Oh boy. That that infer, well, not the clip that we played, but the information about her babbling about her being a witch. Yeah. Yeah. Bill Maher plays that two days later. Jesus. It sets off the witch news cycle. So funny. Yeah. So Alex gets around to playing the clip of a robe talking on Fox News. And I think this is really interesting because Alex sets it up pretty poorly.

And so let's go ahead and play a short clip of Carl Rove, you know, really demonizing this poor lady and just repeating that talking point over and over again that she has serious character problems. And then when you actually go find out what those character problems are, he just uses that term. When you actually find out what they are, it took her 20 years to pay off her student loans and she had an $11,000 lien on her from the IRS. No due process. They just slapped it on her. Here it is. You know what? If you vote for cap and tax and you have an opponent that says they wouldn't, then they have a choice. They have an option. So I think it was it was very substantive, very based on issues, very based on the road, voting record of one and the promised voting

record of another. You know, again, you're making my case. This was about my castle's bad votes. It does conservatives little good to support candidates who at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their public statements, do not advance the characteristics of rectitude and truthfulness and its sincerity and character that the voters are looking for. She doesn't show rectitude. This was a guy up there high and mighty saying, I tell you who has rectitude. I tell you who is morally good. I tell you, you know, who you could vote for and who you can't. I'm the Grand Puba. I'm the high priest. I'm going to tell you Republicans what you can and can't do. You need to stay on the Carl Rove reservation because I am morally of high rectitude.

This is the guy lying about WMD. So what you have is Alex introduces this clip in a way that the clip doesn't actually reflect what he's saying. Yeah. And Carl Rove is actually making a fair point in terms of the context of this conversation that is there's some kind of nonforthrightness that's going on. Yeah. And that is not great. Yeah. Yeah. And so in order for Alex to deal with the clip that's played, he attacks the messenger. He's just and look, fuck Carl Rove. I don't care, but saying fuck him and saying he lied about weapons of mass destruction doesn't deal with the issue that he brings up. Totally. Yeah. That's just point. Oh, oh my God, you're all liars. What a shock. Yeah. Holy shit. If I were a snarky debate kid online, I would say that is a oh,

this is a person of the tech. Yeah, it's not. And I have scored a point. Yes. Yeah. Or whatever. But that's what you can do whenever. I mean, the audience enjoys it. Yeah. I think you even kind of enjoy it. Enjoy what? Like just piling on Carl Rove. Oh, fuck that guy. Yeah. All right. I don't, I don't have any skin in that game. I just, I just like to see any, any shit piled on Carl Rove is a good day for me. Sure. Yeah. So in this next clip, we see Alex doing something we saw recently on a, on another, I believe time travel episode that we did. We saw him pretending to discover the strategy of Google bombing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so he's going to start at Google. Okay. Of course. So we're going to have a new search term today.

We haven't done this in a week or so. We're going to have a new search term. We're going to make number one today. Thanks to all of you. This will be the 21st search term we've done. Every time it's become number one, Google search the term Gates death panels, Gates death panels with an S Gates death panels. Just search those three words in Google in Yahoo and every major search engine do it over and over again and send the story out to everyone and click on the story. And it, it's already the number one link. If you type in Bill Gates death panels on Google news, it's, our story is already number one. Paul Watson's article from yesterday. And so we're going to push this out as the number one search term and then hundreds of newspapers and blogs as you've

seen will then go click on our story to find out what it's about. They'll research it. They'll write about it. It'll cause another chain reaction. So Bill Gates is who we're going after today. And for the next 11 years. Wow. Wow. Oh boy. Yeah. Okay. It's interesting to think about like the 11 years intermediate, the like different careers. Alex and Bill Gates have had. Yeah, they've gone on separate paths. Yeah. There was, there was a moment where they could have come together. You know, things really diverge. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's one of those. I took the path less trod, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. So Alex takes calls and a lot of it ends up being about vaccines. Sure. And a caller, right? Of course it is because you're a witch, Dan.

So this caller is, his kid is scheduled to be vaccinated. Sure. And so Alex has a way to, he has a bad metaphor. That's kind of what I was thinking. I just wanted to thank you for what you do. You're my hero. First of all, I just want to say that I'm really nervous. I apologize. I have a two month old son. He's our first child and he's about to get his shot. He's scheduled to get in this week for the vaccines and stuff like that. That's kind of like the Jews were scheduled to get on trains and go to Dachau and Auschwitz. And they just like, Oh, it's your scheduling. It's your time to ride the carousel and Logan's run. I mean, just because they say it's scheduled, I mean, did they take his blood at birth for the

Pentagon database? I think so. I'm not real sure. No, I mean, if he was born in a hospital, they did, but so. Oh boy. Yeah. So that's the tone that he's coming at this caller with. The caller is just saying that the child is scheduled to have some vaccinations. He's like, Oh, like, like Jewish people in the world war two going on trains. They were scheduled. You know, I really like not having measles. And I think my childhood was better from not having measles. What about all the polio you had? I felt great to not have polio. And of course you died of the whooping cough. Right. Yeah. Well, that was that was a struggle. That was tough. We did make it through that as a unit. I think that's great. But 17 of your siblings died of tetanus. Doesn't it seem like that should be an

easier sell? Yeah. Like, Hey, you know how we don't have polio? That's because of the vaccines. So just think Alex thinks it's because of hand washing or something. That really bothers me. Really bothers me because of fucking witches and people being good for a while or what about which is bums me out. Yep. So but it's important to see the way this tone works. So he starts out the call and the guy just says that his kid is scheduled and Alex immediately compares it to trains in the Holocaust. Right. Right. Right. Then he tries to sort of play reasonable a little bit. But going back to vaccines, it's a decision you have to make. The Japanese has got to be more than a decade ago. What do we do to rule no vaccination until age two? Because they found

completely that this stuff causes neurological problems, autoimmune problems. But it's much worse when a little bitty baby has all these shots going in them by the time they grow up and get bigger and get some cognitive development. It won't stunt them as much. So now Alex is trying to play that. Hey, everybody's got to make their own decision and then immediately jumps to this story about Japan, which is a complete lie. Yeah. In 1994, Japan amended a law that they had made they had a law that made vaccines mandatory and they amended this making instead quote, it was more of a civic duty than a strict legal obligation, according to the AFP. The World Health Organization stats from 2018 reflect a vaccination rate of 99% for tetanus,

diphtheria and pertussis in one year old Japanese children and 97% for the same age group with the polio vaccine. Alex is just making shit up to demonize vaccination, but it's important to pay attention to that. That way that he's trying to frame things. Yeah. You know, it's the the caller brings this up. He compares it to the Holocaust. Hey, everybody's got to make their own decision, but also here's a lie about Japanese people. Okay. So if 99% 97% of Japanese babies, then we can look back and see if his numbers make sense 25 years later or whatever it is. And they don't. So can't we be done then? Well, we can't because Alex is now want to be done with anti vast because Alex has said that everybody needs to make up their own mind.

What if we have the proof of concept from Japan? Everybody's got to. Well, look, everybody's got to make up their own mind with the caller. And so this caller is still on the line. This is fucked up. This is not what you do when you want someone to make up their own mind. Does that answer your question? Yeah, I really, really appreciate that. I appreciate your time. I guess I'm just not going to do it. I mean, I mean, but when he comes open up to go to school, I mean, would that, would that be a problem? Yes, they, yes, they are criminals. They are hardcore criminals. Again, they lie to you and say it's the law. He must take the shots. They lied to you and said there wasn't mercury until we forced it out in the open.

And now they say, okay, mercury's there. It's good for you. Then they're going to lie when he goes in school and say it's the law, your child can't be in the school without shots. And you say, I know you've got the waiver. It's not even a law, but it's a waiver to a non law. I know you've got a waiver that I'm supposed to fill out. So they make a list of you, but courts have even shown you can not even do that. And then they'll lie to you again because they're getting money when they hit your kid with the weapon from the feds that that's tied to the federal money they're given. They have quotas. They've got to get 97% or more vaccinated. They don't get their money. Then, then the school nurse or the principal is going to lie and say, there's no such thing.

And then you can already have Googled your state. You're calling from Tennessee, Tennessee vaccine waiver, conscientious object or religious object. And you can go really principal or assistant principal. Here's the waiver for Tennessee. You lied to me and see, you'll know you're there with a hardcore liar. Again, lying trash, an entire government and corporate system trained to lie. And these teachers take their kids and inject them with the mercury too. And they love the fact that in many schools, a third of the schools now special ed and there's just giant warehouses of children and wearing football helmets literally because they bumped their heads in the walls and in wheelchairs and in diapers and they put taser taser belts around

them in the public schools. Now when they don't mind, they zap them and they love it. They just love all of it and soon the whole school will be in the corner drooling. And by that point, they can just dirt euthanizing everyone. They are just savagely, chemically hurting us as bad as they can. So they could make us submit and then just come in and have the helicopters fly over and spray the nerve gas and kill everybody. They're just getting everybody ready for that. Okay, that's hardcore truth, buddy. Listen, those are criminals when they lie to you and try to force those vaccines. Do you understand that? Yeah, I do. Okay, I appreciate your call. I mean, this isn't a game, ladies and gentlemen.

Everybody's got to make up their own mind. Everybody's got to make up your own mind. Make up your own mind. I mean, they're trying to murder you in your fucking bed, you coward. They're trying to kill you and they're lying to you, but everybody's got to make up their own mind about that. Look, everybody's got their own choice to make between getting murdered in their own bed and being a heroic patriot who gives me money. It's a simple choice. Yeah, Joe Rogan's on this episode of this show. Maybe we should never have expected all that much from it. That would have made sense. That would have made sense. We get another caller and this is just for good, clean fun. This is a little bit of parsley.

Okay. This dude's asking about a JFK documentary if Alex has seen it. And then we find that Alex doesn't know a very important bit of trivia about JFK. Now, he fainting sees himself kind of like a guy who knows a lot about the conspiracies. Sure, sure, sure. He's a conspiracy guy. It's kind of rough that he doesn't know this bit of, it's kind of a big one, right? Incredible, deep, deep. You should watch it. It's revealing. Even some of the attorneys that were defending the guy who took over JFK's position. Now I can't remember his name. When they assassinated him, who was the next person, the vice president, who took over? I can't remember his name now. Well, it was, it was Robert Kennedy. What? Yeah. And well, of course,

he was the attorney general. Who was, who was JFK's vice president? Boy, I'm having a moment here. I should know that. Yeah, you should. Yeah, you should fucking know who LB goddamn J is. This is a big part of the conspiracy. He's, he's the reason. Oh my God. He's, LBJ is probably one of the biggest reasons that Alex hates the left anyways, because it's because of LBJ that we got the civil rights act through there. So I mean, not because of him. He fought tooth and nail for a long time, but as a part of the actual part of the history. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird. Alex does eventually remember LBJ and then he tries to pretend that he just couldn't come up with Humphrey who was LBJ's vice president. Wow. Wow, buddy. Wow, dude. That's brutal. I understand

if you take like a little bit of a second, but like that's too long. Yeah. And especially for LBJ, who's kind of a big figure in American history and a big figure in JFK assassination conspiracy theories. Totally. Totally. In fact, one of the many people suspected of JFK's murder. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Weird. So now we get to the point of the episode where we get the introduction of Joseph Rogan and Edward Bravo. Oh, boy. It's interesting. They have a different vibe back then. Oh, yeah. Well, maybe not. Joe's definitely high. Wow. That's nice. That's nice. It's good to know. But this is really awkward. It's really, really awkward. Well, it's good having you here and it was good seeing you last night. There's so much to talk about. Obviously,

Joe Rogan of News Radio, Fair Factor, The Man Show. The list goes on and on. UFC Ultimate Fighting Championship. You've been doing that pretty much since the start, haven't you? I started working for the UFC in 1997. I was the post-fight interviewer. So 13 years. Yeah, it's been a long time. In fact, I remember like in 99 talking to you and you're like, man, this UFC is going to be huge and I never even heard of it. It's going to be bigger than the NFL. Yeah. Everybody was like, what are you talking about? You're crazy. Yeah. It's now. Look at it. It's giant. It's in Austin, Texas. Oh, it's right here. You know, when I was with Ventura last week, one of the guys from the company that does stuff for UFC was there and he was going to interview Brock Lesnar

right after that when he was on the shoot with us. And so Brock's back bigger than ever, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was great. It's not as electric as some of this present day stuff. And I think it's because Alex is sober. I think there is a markedly different chemistry. They might need something to grease the wheels on this. There might need to be some grease on these wheels. That's possible. Holy shit. This is not what I expected because it's in terms of chemistry. There is a chemical missing, if you will. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ethanol. Yeah. Alex is sitting here with Eddie and Joe. All of the human elements are there for the record setting most listened to podcast ever in human history.

Oh, hundreds of millions of people have listened to it. And then the sequel that set the world on fire. On fire. And it is just trash. You gotta be drunk. You gotta be in Rogan's house and you gotta be half of a fifth through. Yeah. I think there's some funny stuff to get into. And I think one like really gigantic lie that Alex tells that I think is interesting. But this is a case of me getting hoisted on my own petard. I legitimately thought it would be fun. Yeah. And it's kind of it's kind of a dud. Well, no, it's it's not. It's a fine interview for the most part. Sure. Like Rogan's high. Yeah. And so like Alex is talking about like, oh, we were talking last night. You told me something really interesting. And it's clearly that Rogan was like trying to spit

ball. Maybe he was working on a joke or something. Sure. Sure. And Alex takes it as like a real point. Oh, no. Last night, you were really making a lot of points that I thought were right on. Let's get into the red button. The red button. You were talking about how there's a red button. They're going to hit it. Well, you know, what I was saying is that I believe that all human behavior is natural, just like I believe that all animal behavior is natural bees make beehives and ants make ant hills. These are all natural things. Humans are far more complex, but we don't think of ourselves as as being natural that we're moving in a natural direction. And I think that human beings in a human society, especially with technology, I think we create, we create technology

and innovation. That's what we're here for. And it's very possible that what human beings are here for is to make some new reality, make some new technological innovation that's going to change the world. And it could be a big bang machine. It could be a time machine. It could be just some incredible discovery, something that they're going to invent eventually. I mean, if they keep going with things like the Large Hadron Collider, they're not going to stop there. They're going to use whatever findings that they get from the Large Hadron Collider if it doesn't blow up the world. And they're going to try the next thing. Well, what happens now? We found... The goal is blow up the world. Well, I don't know what the goal is. I mean, that's just the joke. The joke is that we're here

to make the big bang machine. And that there's a reset button that gets pressed every 15 billion years. And that these intelligent monkeys get to a point where they break down matter and try to figure out what is at the center of the universe. And they press that button and it restarts all over again. I mean, who knows? It's just speculation. Wow. Wow. Heavy, man. Heavy. I think Douglas Adams put it better that if the question and the answer were ever known, then the universe would be destroyed and replaced by something weirder. It's a lot simpler and a lot more quick. But I mean, that kind of a thing is like, yeah, I could imagine getting high with someone like a lot of the people I knew in college and having almost identical conversations.

There's nothing wrong with that. That's fine. That's kind of... We've moved on to simulation theory now. It's the same basic thing. But that's a fine place for Joe to exist. Yeah. That is like, okay, he's the older brother who's into weed. Right. But maybe you've only stolen a few beers, sure. Sure. At this point in your development, open in your mind spectrum. Right. Right. And that can be useful in people's lives. That can open up your brain to new vistas. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Val Kilmer and Real Genius. It's just not that deep. And then it's also clearly you can tell that Joe was talking about this as some kind of like an idea that it has the structure of a Rogan bit. It has the structure of something you could see him doing on stage. And Alex is like,

yeah, man, you know, it is an interesting idea that humans are trying to make up. They're trying to kill us all. That's just how we're supposed to do it. It's again, not being able to parse out the like reality and sort of... Yeah. You can't have jokes if you don't realize the transgression over reality. Nope. That's why his humor is so terrible. Yeah. So Alex now gets to trying to plug some Eddie Bravo's jujitsu business. Guys, both of you, fire out your websites. JoeRogan.net. 10thplanetjj.com. 10thplanet.jj. jujitsu.com. Man, I see your 10thplanet shirts and stuff everywhere. Really? Yeah. I'm all over the country. I'll see people wearing 10thplanet stuff or talking about it. Really? It's incredible. Well, how many, how many gems do you have? 25, I think. Yeah. Something

like that. Well, aren't you one of the, I mean, best known jujitsu teachers? He won't toot his own horn, so I'll say yes. He's one of the most innovative and important jujitsu instructors in the country. Sounds like BS because he's my best friend, but it really is true. He's one of the most important. He's just, smokes a lot of weed and comes up with crazy jujitsu moves and it turns out they work. And I'm also known as a conspiracy theorist freak. That's right. He's more of a conspiracy theorist freak than me. Eddie sounds like kind of fun and I'm a freak. I'm a conspiracy freak, man. That's what I'm here. But he also has to introduce that to the proceeding as, you know, just that the energy is off. Yeah. It seems like Eddie or Alex should have just been like, let's do some

conspiracy theories. That's what we're here for. Well, Eddie tries. Yeah. Eddie tries to push in that direction. Right. But Alex can't because Eddie is a no one to him, whereas he's got to talk to Joe, the big star, whatever it is. It's less of that. And I think it's more that like he's not fucked up and he doesn't want to. That's fair. I just think it's that he's not fucked up. It might get too weird. Yeah. Although I just looked it up. It turns out that Rogan's podcast has started by this point. Okay. Started in December 2009. So he's almost a year in the Rogan experience at this point. Yeah. So Alex is they get to talking about Eddie wants to know about the troops and the like drug trade. Okay. Opium in Afghanistan. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. One of his one of

his like is like, how do they make money on that? How do they make money selling drugs? Sure. Well, how does the actual process work? Okay. Okay. Okay. And we never do get an answer on it. Well, naturally, but this next clip I think is fascinating because it is the behavior that you see on the Joe Rogan experience whenever Alex is a guest being, you know, carried out by Joe 11 years prior. It's flowing out and the US troops protect the opium. They put this on the news because if they don't Al Qaeda will get the money. And no, no, no, I'm serious. I mean, I played a clip of Fox news or all those thing how patriotic it is to grow opium. But you think I'm joking. Come on, guys, cue it up. Oh, let's see this. You're only here for an hour because you've got to go see it at the

weigh ends at 230. Yes, but I have to see that. So he calls him on it. Yeah, he calls Alex on this. Show me this video then. So they start playing the clip, but Joe and Eddie don't have headphones. Alex, but how does how do the Americans get paid for the opium is what I'm saying. How does that work? It gets the Okay, 1999 Rivera. Yep. Can we hear him? You guys would have to have headphones on. Look, I just played it yesterday. During the break, I'll play it for you. How's that sound? Sounds okay. The listeners have seen it. Exactly. Work for work. Oh, well, is your show? He was the guy who introduced the he was the one who had the Zapruder film first on television. The word is he knows all about this stuff. But yeah, at Fox News, he didn't really

get into it. What are you saying? He goes, I'm out here with the colonel and they're out here helping them grow the opium. And he colonels like that's right. We give him the seeds and the fertilizer. What? Here's the actual clip that Alex is talking about. That is the principal crop that is being grown here. The Taliban lend the farmers the money. They are indebted to the Taliban. They have to grow the opium. Now the Marines in their success are in a sense a victim of their success because now the population is you know, they have these opium fields and we are tolerating it. We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium because we know that if we were to destroy it now, the population would turn against the Marines and it would be a real security risk. Let me

introduce Lieutenant Colonel Brian Christmas. He's the commanding officer of the Third Battalion Six Marines. Really a wonderful group of Marines here. I know that you care deeply about this contradiction, the fact that here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted and in a sense you're watching as this opium is being grown. I know it grinds at your gut. How do you deal with it? What are you doing about it? Well, frankly, this is a part of the culture. So while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do. We provide them security. We're providing them resources and we're providing them alternatives. The alternatives are different crops to grow. They're getting the seed and the fertilizer to do it. So when Alex says the guy's talking about

giving them seed and fertilizer, he's talking about alternative crops that they can grow instead of poppy, but that just taking all of their poppy or destroying the fields wouldn't be productive to the mission that he's trying to undertake. So Alex goes to commercial and he shows Joe this clip. Presumably Joe's seen it and he is either too dumb or Alex showed him a completely edited version of it. Well, that is a fascinating piece of video footage with Geraldo Rivera, you know, in the poppy field with the soldiers talking about the poppy fields and how they're protecting them and providing them fertilizer and helping them grow it. Yeah. I mean, that's incredible. I mean, it's outrageous. If you go and actually watch this, like the context of

it is really clear. So you think that, you know, we were at the market and everywhere we go, they're selling these little devices. Take a shot of this, Greg. They're hand-carved. These are the little devices they use to scrape the opium sap off the plant. And I watched as you bought everyone that was for sale because you care so deeply. Why did you do that? I want them off the street. The idea is that we don't want to harvest the poppy. We want to, you know, hopefully turn the poppy over and put some wheat, cotton, watermelon, cucumber. It's all great stuff. They grow out here. We just want to see that come to fruition in the poppy just to go away. It's completely counter to the context that Alex is describing it in, and it's also counter to the context that Joe has been convinced of.

We want to see the poppy go away is a very hard sentence to avoid when your argument is, they're helping them grow it to kill Americans. And when Alex says specifically they're giving them the seed and the fertilizer, and when you look at that clip, it's specifically seed and fertilizer in the context of other crops. They can grow instead. Yeah. So it's this behavior is so consistent throughout Joe Rogan's career with Alex that I just don't. I can't believe that it's not. I don't know what to think about it. Is it like he can't stop himself from being like. Yeah. He's too credulous towards a guy who has been lying to him since they met. Yeah. And it's wild. It doesn't feel like it's believable. No, it's not. It's not believable. It's hard to. It's

I can't square the idea that he is not in on it in some fashion. Yes, this. It's not unfaithful. You can't not be at least a little bit in on it. This level of being duped. Yeah, but like it's pathological. Like it would have to show up in all of his other relationships. Totally. Totally. No, no, no. Everybody has to either be taking advantage of him or he's in on it in some way. But honestly, I don't think that that's too unbelievable. No, I mean, look at the people he's had on his show in the past. You have that Dave Seaman guy who's a big pizza gate dude. Yeah. Yeah. You had Dave Rubin was on a bunch. Stephen Crowder wasn't the Malinu on there. Malinu couple times couple times. I think a couple times. Brutal. Yeah. And so I think that there is a decent chance

that maybe he is pathologically gullible, too gullible. But then you'd think it would show up in his relationships with people like the closer folks like an Ari Shafir or Tom Segura or Burt Kreischer. Yeah, but I mean, that's why comics hang around with other comics. We don't know what you normal people are doing. We don't know what's going on with you guys. You could say anything. We're just trying to write bits, man. I guess trying to write bits. I guess you got to kind of take comedians out of the out of the entire conversation because that's a whole other world. It's a whole we're just a different. Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah, I find it I find it difficult to believe that that's true, though, because it would be it

would be something that I think he would need to get therapy with or like he couldn't have made it to the point he's at now if he falls for this kind of shit on a regular basis. Because I also don't understand what is so special about Alex that requires him to make excuses for decades. I don't know. It does seem like he has like a weird appeal to authority like hack in him, where if you just say something so confidently and you have like a a group of people who tell Joe that you're you're actually a very smart person and then you just say something confidently, Joe's like, wow, oh, yeah, a lot of people have to believe this. So it must be true, you know, and hope thinks he's cool. Yeah, exactly. Like it does seem like there's that just oh, okay. Well, I heard

this was cool. And this guy is I'm told this guy is super smart. So I have to at least engage with it and then it's too easy to it's just it's just remarkable to me to see the exact same dynamic though that happened in these present day podcast appearances being done to Rogan in 2010. Man, this lying about the context of something. Yeah, Joe calls him on it. And then there's evidence proffered. But whether the evidence that's given is selectively edited to the point where it only shows what Alex wants him to see, or he sees it and accepts Alex's framing of it despite the clear context that that's to the contrary, whatever it is, he's not equipped to deal with. Yeah. The sort of people he's associating with clearly. And then I met, you know, and now, of course,

it's got to be 10 million times as hard. Because if you confront that reality now, then you have to be like, OK, well, for the past 30 years, this guy I have thought was my friend has been a complete piece of shit liar to me. Yeah, it's almost like, you know, you get that Nigerian Prince email. Yeah. And you're like, man, you know, I just you respond and then you give him a thousand dollars and then he wants five. I don't want to be the stupid guy. I'm not going to be the stupid guy who doesn't. But yeah, it's almost like Joe's pot committed on not calling out Alex. It does seem like it. Yeah. Anyway, oh boy. Sorry, Joe. Did you growing up? Did you ever? I don't know if this is a like sort of experience that I had or if it's more universal, but we had a bunch of national

geographics in the house. Tons of magazines and national geographic because they're educational, they're glossy, they're sure. So as a kid, I would read tons of things about forests and I would have liked that. I barely got dinosaurs, but in national geographic was too believed in evolution for my household at the time. So well, did you know that Nat Geo is putting out a lot of cover up? I did not know that Nat Geo is cover. Okay. Okay. Not a lot of cover. All right. All right. On the chem trail. I'm here for I'm here for it. You know what it is? Nat Geo puts out these something with Nat Geo is connected with the government because you watch anything. No, no, national geographic. You've all heard about how record numbers of missionaries turn out to be

CIA and record numbers of Peace Corps. National Geographic is a eugenics organization and they are the one of the highest level CIA front. I'm just gonna say that a lot of people will say this is malarkey, a very good friend of mine. His father is in the CIA. Cool. Okay. Okay. My buddy's dad is in the CIA. So obviously Nat Geo is a fucking high level record compared to watcher. It's meaningless. It's never substantiated how national geographic is a eugenics front in a high level CIA operation of the highest level. Just just throwing that out there and then well you guys are going to say this is malarkey, but my buddy's dad is in the CIA. Joe said Joe Biden stole malarkey from Rogan. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's what he gave him a hundred million dollars for. It's true.

So there's there's some conspiracies that you know Eddie Bravo doesn't seem to be on the earth is flat tip. At least not yet. Right. Right. And that's actually that actually comes to a point I want to make and that is the earth is flat. We've been trying to get to this for a while. Okay. I've been waiting for it. I knew it was going to come sooner or later. We've had these conversations off air for years. I was interested to see if like you'd go back and you'd see the same conspiracies that he's into in the present being floated in 2010. Sure. Yeah. If the earth is flat now it was no less flat then and you know it's not like these these ideas weren't spiraling around in places on the internet. It's not like a recent phenomenon. Sure. Sure. So I was going

back and I'm like it's it's it's incredible. There is not any like flat earth stuff and part of the reason is that it that wasn't that popular in 2010. It wasn't mean yet. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And this is something that's important to understand about conspiracy theorists. They think that they're independent thinkers. Yeah. And they think that they're like oh really really digging into stuff. Red pill man. They are the biggest fucking followers in the world. Easy. These things are popular and then they get into them and then they like nothing ever happens and something else will become popular. Yeah. They probably a sandy hook truth or whenever that was popular. No it's a fashionable it's a fashion thing and conspiracy theories

are fashion and some things are aesthetically important to retain along the way. Of course. Much like I may not listen to the boss tones anymore but I'll still be a boss tones fan until I die. Sure. He's going to be a nine eleven truth or until he dies. Of course. But it's maybe not the most primary thing to talk about all the time. You can't spend your life listening to the boss tones. No. But then you can't spend your life always talking about nine eleven theories. It's always going to be a piece of each of our histories. And I just I found that fascinating that it was like oh yeah of course. Yeah. You're into what you're into at the time. Totally. And it turns out something that he's into at the time is that Hurricane Katrina might have

been fake. Oh boy. What do you think about the conspiracy theories about a Katrina being a controlled hurricane. How the way it. Multiple top meteorologists said it had two eyes for a while. It just sat there. It didn't act like a normal hurricane. And I've had the father of weather weapons on who was flying into cyclones that are over 200 miles an hour in the 40s. Ben Livingston. And this is all declassified. This is like AP. And. Well we're going to break but to make a long story short. We're going to break already. Yeah in 1967. It's a regular radio clock. There's like long segment short segments in 1967 Stanford Research Institute and the Naval Weapons Laboratory certified they can create and control hurricanes

as easy as kiss my hand. We'll be right back. So it was a weather weapon. I suppose we don't get back to this. Why would we. It was or it wasn't. And it is. Cool. Yeah. What are the implications of that. Well let's see if Katrina was a controlled hurricane sent by whom would be the first question. That is an important first question. We would. We would assume the American government I suppose or or a foreign power. Right. All right. So then the question would follow why. Right. Why specifically where it was attacked. So then you got to say that it's a race based bio weapon I would assume. I don't know. Anyway another conspiracy that gets floated when they come back from break is that the movie Machete is meant to start a race war. OK. So you believe that the

movie Machete with Danny Trejo is by the government designed to fuel a race war. He's a superhero Mexican Home Depot guy. Just beep that. I'm sorry. I totally OK. But just just just just OK. We took care of that. Are we good. Did we take. Yeah we did. OK. I feel like it got out. No it didn't feel like that one. OK. OK. Stop guys. Come on. Sorry guys. Alex is not drunk. Did we just racial slur. I think so. I think we just racial slurred. I think so. Yes. And Alex is like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Wow. But Eddie Bravo does explain that he is a Mexican individual. So right. Right. But it's certainly not. I mean this is on the radio. Yeah. I wouldn't put that one out there. I wouldn't put your business out like that. At the time apparently they had a little

bit better delay situation. It seems like whoever was on the button on the red button there. Boom I'm there. Oh boy. Yeah. Yeah. Big bang machine. This is back whenever he had actual adults working for him instead of hiring teens up the street. Yeah. So at this point now we have Alex sober trying to deal with doing a show that has FCC rules with two guys who are high. Yeah. And one of them is clearly a lunatic insane and unable to deal with the FCC. Yeah. Yeah. So he has been shamed. Eddie's been shamed a little bit. Sure. And so he recedes into the background while Joe complains about the governor of Arizona. How hilarious is that dumb lady that's run in Arizona. That Jan whatever the hell her name is. Who's it. Who's the governor of Arizona.

Yeah. Brewer. Jan Brewer. Yeah. That lady is so dumb. Have you ever seen her on TV. Oh my God. When she was on the debate and she just paused she didn't know what to say. She paused for like 10 solid seconds said nothing. She makes up stuff about people getting their heads cut off over in Arizona that Mexicans are coming over here and cutting people's heads off. And then they're like where are these bodies. Like what are you talking about. It sounds like Alex present day. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I don't think Joe should be allowed to call anybody dumb. No. Yeah. It's tough to hear. Yeah. Buddy. Yeah. It's interesting because Alex then has to sort of rebut a little bit because he is also quite xenophobic. Yeah. He's trying to be. Yeah.

You're cutting in on my racism. The governor is a Republican. Right. And so like you know there is the need to have sort of at least a little bit of a pushback. Yeah. And then Eddie gets back in the mix. Sure. He tries again. Element of chaos. Let me just say something. I'm not a big fan and Joe knows this. I hate super movie. Eddie Bravo. Come on man. We're on the radio. I'm sorry. I can't bring him with me anymore. No. This is ridiculous. He's not a professional. I hate superhero movies. I hate to bet. I'm a Mexican. El machete wasn't the greatest plot ever. So he's trying to get back to machete. Yeah. Is that what we were doing. Yeah. He doesn't like superhero movies. Uh huh. Some guy bleeped. Yeah. Okay. Now as Eddie goes on I think he's making actually a fairly

decent point and that is you know when I as somebody of Mexican descent heritage I see Spider-Man. I can't identify with Spider-Man. Sure. I don't identify with Batman the rich asshole with all his gadgets. Of course not. I don't I don't see myself in these these heroes and for me maybe machete is somebody that I can see as and I was like no no no he's not nice enough to white people. Oh boy. You know for as a Mexican you can't relate to Spider-Man. That's a white nerd who you know and then and then uh um. Wait. We have nothing now we have something in a Superman a white guy from another galaxy. Now we have El machete. You know for me I've felt like why couldn't it be a Mexican scientist who you know who becomes the incredible

Hulk or something. Yeah. The Mexican superhero hacks up gringos. He pull up with a axe. That's ridiculous. Yeah. He's a Mexican long-haired tat. Well let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. The Mexicans I know that warned me about this film that run the production. What. They didn't like the stereotype of Mexicans as working at Home Depot and wanting to kill gringos. I like that. Well this has been an insane interview Eddie Bravo. Yeah you you just really ruined the whole cause. Did we get another racial slur blurped out? No I don't think so. I think it was just awkward silence. Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he makes a fine point. Yeah. For the most part. I mean I think that's an acceptable point and I think Alex's point is

essentially just I don't. Whoa whoa whoa. We can't be having superheroes who aren't nice to white people. Let's calm down. Oh a superhero who doesn't like white people. Then what would be the point of superheroes. Yep. Oh boy. So we get a really big revelation on this episode. What's that. The Superman. I don't know. The KKK's expansion efforts and his radio serials. No. Okay. I don't know how the mainstream media the MSM failed to pick up on this. What could be the largest story of our times. Okay. And that is that Alex Jones knows how to mind control birds. I've even tried this with birds around my house and things. If I come out and even put my mind the intent like I'm going to kill that bird without even having a weapon the bird flies off but if you're

just being out nice and friendly you know the birds just sit there almost land on your hand they're all I've got all these tame swallows around my house so it's almost like there's something telepathic they pick up on the intent. Someone is going to take this clip and use it and say Alex Jones uses mind control on birds. They probably will. I have fulfilled the prophecy Alex Jones uses mind control on birds. I just had to play it to the bed. You had to do it. Yeah. You had to do it. You couldn't not do it. Yeah. It had to be done. I was a little bored. Yeah. At this point like things are kind of starting to fall apart a little bit. Yeah. I can sense that. Joe's patience and their high is like kind of like I want to have fun baiting out of having fun.

Whenever Eddie starts trying to talk in his like just the normal way he socially communicates he ends up saying things that he can't say on the radio. It's like when you go visit your friend at work you're not allowed to be like oh hey we're at this hardware store let me drop some racial slurs. Yeah you can't do it. Yeah. And so it's the last clip here. Yeah. Is it possible as you would know is it possible to create a bomb that makes everybody gay? Is that possible? Probably not. Okay. Probably not. Oh boy. Probably not. And this is where like sort of questions are coming a little faster. Yeah. Yeah. Can we make a gay bomb? Probably not. Yeah. Are you disappointed in Charlie Sheen? Are we doing lightning round?

A little bit. Okay. When Charlie Sheen choked his wife were you like damn you're messing up the cause. Like I had you on the program. You were looking good. Charlie Sheen calling for full disclosure on 9-1-1. Nate's got to go. Well he needs a vaccine for that. Is that what it is? That would make me look. I'm not going to get into that whole story. But mine could. I'm not going to get into that whole story. But all I wanted to know is does this ever wear on you? I mean you're constantly dealing with negative stuff. By the way Charlie's a good guy. I is a good guy. Okay. Charlie's a good guy. But also chokes his wife. Hey Joe I'm going to go with one. It says a lot about you and Alex that your first thought of Alex's reaction was

how is Alex going to take this as personally hurting him as opposed to giving a shit about the fact that. Let me actually clarify that even more. He's saying how is this going to affect the cause that Alex is pretending to be so passionately fighting for? How is Charlie Sheen's personal transgressions going to hurt Alex's crusade against imaginary windmills? Now here's where things turned for me personally. I mean I feel like that's super dark. That's a real dark clip that just happened right there. It's going to get more dark? Yeah. But that one was really dark. That's like sort of violent trigger warning maybe for this next clip. Oh no. Where Joe goes next. By the way Charlie's a good guy. I is a good guy. I'm a fan. I'm a fan.

Petun was an awesome movie. I'm a fan of Charlie Sheen. Have you ever? Some chicks need to be choked. How about that? Some of them get a little mouthy and you want to get out to him. Okay. Okay Joe. No. Who's paying the rent here? Freak. Is it a little choker girl? Yes. I'm kidding. I don't choke anybody. I don't choke girls especially unless they want it. And then it's free. Okay. That's enough. Yesh. That's dark. Yeah. Significantly darker than I was expecting. Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess what you'd call it is the sort of like playful misogyny of 2010. This. Yeah. Wow. I suppose you could. Wow. It is. It is like it's really it. You know, when you go back and you watch a 90s movie like a week when you rewatch trading places,

I rewatch that and you're like, whoa, you could get away with a lot of shit there. But then you think it's 2010 and you couldn't get away with that. That's too recent. No, you could get away with that shit in 2010 for sure. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. I Jesus. It's not a joke. No, it's not. It's not a joke. He thinks it's a joke. But even if it you know, even if it is a joke, it's not like it's not a well-constructed joke. It's not. Absolutely not. It's not a new thought. It's really just playing on the edge of sometimes domestic violence is warranted. It's a honeymooners level shit. Yes. That's what we're talking about here. Yeah. Yes. In the 1950s, Jackie Gleason can be like, oh, I'm going to hit

you. Like, yeah, but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's very, it's very strange. But one of the things that I think is even more strange is that Alex can sense the like responsibility he has as a host, which he has completely abdicated totally present days gone. He has, he feels some responsibility to be like, come on, man, come on. That would be interesting to hear today. Would he just be like, yeah, no, right? Like, is that yes? And he would have to, right? Because he had, he does not give a shit. No. God damn. Yeah. It is kind of interesting. He had some semblance in 2010 of something that was precluding him and stopping him from going into that. Maybe it's a possibility of like the audience was more family audience at that time.

Could be. Maybe there was more of a puritanical streak to the people who had listened to him on the radio and shortwave, which was the most of his audience as the internet and the supplement lines came in. Maybe he didn't have to keep such a pretend air of, hey, this kind of conversation doesn't fly here, gentlemen. I imagine getting kicked off of social media and stuff probably was much later. I think he'd given up some of that. Oh, even back in like 2014. I bet he would let Joe Rogan riff a little bit more, even if it was getting into territories that was seemingly. Yeah, that's probably true. Advocating for, even if it's facetiously advocating for sometimes women deserve to be choked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's, yeah, it's weird.

Yeah. This is a real misogynist episode for Joe. I wouldn't, if I were Joe, I wouldn't look back on this episode calling Jan Brewer dumb. And then yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the, the critique of the Arizona governor, if in a vacuum could be seen as like things that this politician did were dumb. Sure. You could view them outside of like a necessarily misogynistic scope. Sure. Sure. It's tough to when like, I just wish that conversation should be clear. Jan Brewer, not a good governor. Yeah. I wish that that conversation. Yeah. Yeah. We could not have that. I wish it was, because then it could just be like, isn't it funny? Eddie thinks that Katrina was fake and he keeps fake slurs on there.

Yeah. Yeah. It keeps getting bleeped. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, this gets a little bit uncomfortable and they, they, you know, they have to come towards the end here and Joe has to be like, Alex, you're fun. You're fun to hang out with man. Okay. Sure. Saying that, you know, you're a, you're a fun guy to hang around with. And people always say, man, you're friends with Alex Jones. Is that a bummer? And I'm like, no man, Alex Jones is a cool guy. We have a good time. Last night we went to Fogo to Chow. We had some delicious meat. It was awesome. We had a great time. Then we went out to the comedy club and we went out to dinner afterwards. We had a great time. We hung out. I had a lot of laughs. There was no doom and gloom.

And you know, I was like, man, hanging out with Alex Jones must be a bummer. You know, the dude's always talking about the end of the world and vaccines robbing your soul. And well, no, you're, you're fine. I mean, he's been defensive about hanging out with Alex for over a decade. Yeah, man. You got to ask yourself why. Yeah. Why would that be? Yep. Yep. Why is it that people think, hey, that guy you keep vouching for bad news over the course of a decade, constantly having people be like, don't do that. Yeah. I mean, that is though. That is such comedy. That is such, like the way that it's worked for so long in comedy of just like, yeah, there's a little bit

of permissiveness. It is. It's totally like, Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, I know. I've heard he's a fucking monster, but he's always been cool to me. I haven't seen that baby. Exactly. So, so I had fun at Fogo to Chow. Totally. So that means he can't be a violent misogynist racist. Yeah. I wouldn't listen to his show to see what happened right before I came on. Oh, that'd be a terrible idea. No, that's office behavior. That's not fun. Fogo to Chow. Yeah. Also, there's another funny thing. They're talking about Brock Lesnar and he had like diverticulitis and they were talking about how like it was because he just ate meat before and that's not good. That's bad. And that's really funny to me because Joe would later have Jordan Peterson on his podcast advocating his

all meat diet. Jesus. Jesus Christ. I hate these people. I hate these people so much. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it has to be. It could also be. I could see it being this where it's like Joe discounts anything that happens on the show. He's just like, yeah, Alex does his show and it's all bullshit. It's entertainment for and nothing he says matters on the show. It only matters what he says whenever he's off air when he's a person. Does it? Does it matter what he says on your show, Joe? Exactly. Because it's the same. A lot of it is the same. You would think there's overlap. Yeah. And then just like I maybe it is. Look, I get it. If Joe and Alex are super good friends and Joe knows for a fact that Alex is full of shit and it's all made up shit. He's still a friend that is

directly responsible for so much evil happening. Yeah. Even if you think he's faking it. Yeah. It's almost worse. It's all. It's not almost. It's worse. Yeah. I think you could have a debate on that. It's more malicious. Yeah. Yeah. Signing off on it, whether it's real or you know it's fake, is ethically both bad. No, it's not good at all. Yeah. There's no way out for Joe. There's no redemption for that whatsoever. No. It's just been over a decade of negligence on his part, not recognizing the cancerous and toxic influence of this guy that he just has fun at a steakhouse with. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pathetic just lack of responsibility on his part. Yeah. It's interesting to me that like we've seen it on Joe's show whenever we've talked about these

present ones, I didn't think it went like that exact same behavior. It's the same things. And you know, it's annoying to me the way that you'll hear in these interviews and the present that's like, ah, we put on those Bush masks. Yeah. You know, like they have that same story that they tell that sort of solidifies their friendship and their connection. And that's annoying. Yeah. But it's even more annoying to go back to the past in 2010 and see the inability to fact check claims Alex has made that you instinctually think aren't correct. And then at the same time, you're like, ah, you're fun, making excuses for misinformation and yeah, fraud based on like, we have fun. Yeah. I think I find it viscerally fucked up to go back

nearly like a decade and see no change, like no growth. And if anything regression, yes, I would say regression. That's fucked. That really fucks with my head. Yeah. You know, because I like in my time period, I think we can go back through our show and see just pretty consistent. Like there's growth. There's change. There's something. Yeah. There's some missteps here and there. Yeah. We fuck up. We go. We move on and we try. Yeah. We do what we do what we can, but to be stasis, to just be that. Yeah. And then get worse. I see Joe. I see Joe kind of worse because I think he's gotten more entrenched in these positions of like, Hey, Alex is a fun guy. Why does everyone not want me to hang out with him? Totally. And if he's so consistently being

lied to by Alex, Alex showing him either fraudulent or misrepresented proof of his claims, he's just gotten deeper and deeper in those holes. Yeah. I think Eddie seems more delightful at this point. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. There's something about him that just is delightful and good. No, I guess there's a nature about him. Yeah. That kind of I enjoy it when he chimes in with like, I'm a conspiracy. No, I get it. I get it. I appreciate that. I appreciate the self awareness to of himself back then. Yeah. Like I'm a conspiracy freak. He introduces himself as such. He has, he's a recognition that some of the things that he's saying are probably dumb. Yeah. He's, he's articulating important things about representation

and media. I don't know. It's just, it's weird. All of these people are doing worse now. Yeah. Yeah. Eddie seems so, he's, he's just a guy who's like, I know everybody's laughing at me and I've accepted that and I'm cool with it because I've still got me. I've still got my stuff and I'm respected in the field where I'm meant to be respected at. Yeah. And if you laugh at me whenever I say some stupid conspiracy theories. Yeah. Yeah, man. Conspiracy theories are stupid. You should laugh. Then a couple years later, my best friend has a hundred million dollars. A hundred million dollars. Hey, maybe I start taking this a little bit more seriously. Maybe too seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. Anyway, we have one last clip. Okay. Eddie wants to know about

Y2K, which is an interesting. Don't we all? Yeah. Interesting. Alex's question. His answer is O'Donnellian in its non-forthrightness. Okay. Alex, I got a question about the Y2K. You were saying, I was listening to old tapes and you were saying. No, no, no, no, no, no. I did nine hours of radio on Y2K on the Genesis network. You noticed that before a question was even asked, Alex goes into defensive mode. Yeah. Yeah. And my girlfriend runs in on my wife and she says, they're on ABC News saying a missile was launched from Russia. Oh, now it's his wife's fault. Yeah. So I run back out there and ABC News saying a missile's been fired from Russia. So I said, I don't know what it means, but a missile's been fired from Russia. Then they come back and say,

oh, it was just a scud. And we have to have the Russians here at NORAD. And it was like some kind of drill or something. And then I went on a guy named Michael Trudeau's show that day and made jokes about it. So people took nine hours and edited nine hours, part of it me joking around, like Joe was saying earlier, nuclear plants were blowing. Yeah. No, it's not true. No, what they did is they just took pieces and like, I'd have an AP article saying, well, six plants are going offline. And then an hour later, they'd say it wasn't true. They were doing that to create fear. Yes. Like, like, I didn't believe in Y2K at first. Then the Pentagon said it was going to be real. Then I started believing it. And then right before they said,

oh, we never said that it was a Psyop. Oh, what? Okay. What did you? I don't know. I feel like even those excuses are contradictory nonsense. Yeah. Now, it was my wife who told me, but I didn't believe it. And so it's her fault. But also when the Pentagon said it, I was like, well, obviously it's true. I didn't believe that because it's their fault. I was on the mainstream media did the thing. And that's it. And that's their fault. None of this is my fault at all. I was on air for nine air nine hours. And they've taken everything out of context. Totally. They've misrepresented. I've been smeared. I have been smeared, sir. Simultaneously. I was reporting on things that were a hundred percent accurate. Absolutely. The media was trying to create

fear about Y2K. Exactly. I was reporting on these media stories that were designed to make fear, but then they retracted those stories. Wait, why? What is it? It's both neither and everything all at once. Such horseshit. Yep. Anyway, what an asshole. Yeah. This is an interesting glimpse. Couldn't you just one time be like, Oh, yeah, I fucked up on that one. Just not even, it wouldn't even have to be no explanation. No, just like, yeah, that one's on me. My bad. I think it's too embarrassing. It has to be. Yeah. Because I love doing it. That's a second episode. I think that's true. And looking at the Y2K episode of his show. And I think, I think some of the stuff that he was doing was like, it's really too far. Yeah.

He was saying that like bases were being set up at an Austin airport for people to be around. Everyone's out of gas. Yep. Like gas stations are out of food. It went hard. Yeah. I remember. I think owning that is too hard to do. So you have to create a defensive straw man about like, what actually happened. And then people like Eddie will just give you a pass. Yeah, that's true. You've got to go to commercial anyway. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. You hear the music. Yeah. Run out the clock on this answer and then Eddie will drop it. Yeah. Or we'll get to commercial and I'll be like, Eddie, that is not a fair question to ask me on air. Don't ask me that question. Yeah. You know, we're playing a game here. I sounded stupid. Yeah. And now you're making me feel

bad. Stop it. Eddie, you're high and having fun. I am not. So we get to the end of this. And I think this is an interesting glimpse back if only for this dynamic is so different and so similar. Yeah. It's similar in the ways that you hate and it's different in the ways that you miss. Yep. It's not fun in the way that these present day interviews are because Alex is fucked up. Right. Right. Yeah. And at least it's not sensical. Yeah. Alex is more willing to like, keep the ramble going. Keep the riff going long enough to where he hangs himself with too much rope like that kind of thing. Yeah. Whereas on this show, he's trying to cut stuff off before he looks too stupid. He's trying to protect. Yeah. customers. Yeah. Yep. Uh, so anyway, we'll be back to the

present for our next episode or, you know, probably about. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledge fight.com. Yes, we're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge and I go to bed. Jordan. Yeah. We're also Facebook. Could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work. Right. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I'm Dale Rundis. I am not a witch. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.