Knowledge Fight - #544: May 1, 2003

Episode Date: March 29, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan jump deep into the past to check in and see how Alex Jones was doing back in the middle of George W. Bush's presidency. In this installment, the gents explore what it means to be "above the two-party illusion," add new entries to the list of accused communists, and learn if you can still legally play musical chairs.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth, thanks for holding me. Hello Alex, I'm Mr. Tim Collin, I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, buddy. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Jordan. Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan. I think that one of the early bright spots when I moved

into this apartment was that I had a junk drawer. And yes, that's true. Yes. Check back up on that. I'd like to make my right spot today that I had my first real junk drawer moment where you were like, what the fuck did I put in here? No, I was, I was like, of course I've got double A batteries. Oh, no, not the junk drawer batteries moment. They've got to be in there. You never win. You never win the batteries moment. So I was looking through the junk drawer and I found triple A batteries and no, no double A's. It turns out you are issued triple A's whenever you move in somewhere and nothing fits triple A's. They always like triple A's just come in a pack that's too big. You don't need as many as you think you do. We'll give you 30 triple A's for one remote

control. Yeah, I was going through there's like a pencils, pens, I'm like, oh, I got a deck of cards in here. How about that? Yeah, why not? Great. It's your old timey Batman forever deck of cards. You remember though? It's, it was a nice, it was a nice moment. It really felt like it did your home. Complete. Yeah, I don't know if I feel home. The drawer is fun. That's fair enough. How about you? D and my bright spot today is my support structure. My partner and you and the many people who helped me. It has been a very difficult few days between me and my brain week or so. And not a good place to be. Sometimes my brain has been downright abusive towards me. Sure. So it is nice to have these amazing people in my life. Spoiler alert for the audience. I didn't

talk to you at all yesterday. No, I know. I don't know what I did. You didn't do anything this year. You're bad. Look, I mean, our employee boss relationship, I feel is strong. Yeah. So it is nice to have that. It's a huge bright spot for me because there have been times in my life where that support structure was not around and I was teetering on a knife's edge. Well, so it is a huge bright spot. Well, I love you, buddy. And I'm glad that you're feeling better now. A little bit better, I assume. Let's, let's do the show. Okay. And to sort of reverse the, the sort of just because I'm uncomfortable by you saying such positive things. You know, you've really helped me a lot to as a sport, a sport structure. So thank you. It's great. It's

nice to be able to be in that position. Yeah, it's huge. Yeah. Yeah. So Jordan, today we are going to, this is sort of like what we're doing today is also even kind of like my support, self support. Okay. Okay. All right. As open Mike Eagle would say, what the fuck is self care? This is, this may be self care for me. And we'll get to it here in a moment. Before we do, we've got to take a little moment, say hello and shout out some new walks. So first, Jason B also had a birthday recently. Thank you so much. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Thanks, Jason. And happy birthday to you. Also BB. Thank you so much. You are now a policy one. Also BB just had a birthday recently turned 20 years old. How about that? Oh my God, you're too young to listen

to this show. Do you remember being 20? Oh, he don't. I mean, I literally don't. Congratulations, BB. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Thank you, BB. Next, Jared spelled J-A-R-O-D-B-S. That's two initials, not bullshit. Jared B to the S. Yeah. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. I'm clear when his birthday is. If you, if you are a policy one, please put your birthday in there just so we can give you a happy birthday, whether you like it or not. Next greetings from the city formerly known as Portland's Anarchist Jurisdiction. Thank you so much. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. Yeah. All of you, I suppose. Next, this is another person with a birthday on the 23rd. Just missed it. That's close though. But happy birthday,

Cillian. You're now a policy one, as well as Janie, who is also now a policy one. But I don't know what Janie's birthday is. Anyway, Janie, you got in touch with us and wanted us to wish you happy birthday, Cillian. Policy wonkery all around. I'm a policy one. Thank you very much to all of you. Yeah. And while we're here, Cillian Murphy too. I think he had a birthday sometime. At some point. Yeah. And finally, Prop Comic Sans. Thank you so much. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. Prop Comic Sans. Good times. Yes. Jordan, what we're doing today is, I got a question for you. What's that? Do you like apples? What do you think about them apples? Okay. All right.

Today, Jordan, what we got on our plate is, I have found these old Alex Jones episodes. I found episodes dating back to 2003. All right. And I have. So how do you like them apples was relevant at the time is what you say? Well, it was still out of date. It was still out of date, but okay. I found episodes going back to 2003 and I find Alex almost insufferable and very boring in the present day. Yeah. I don't want to ignore him in the present day, but I also don't want to be doing a show that is constantly just looking at him in the present day. Yeah. Because I find that to be dumb. I think it's worthwhile as a sort of social thing. Totally. But as an intellectual exercise, I don't really care all that much about listening to a guy constantly say he's fighting

the devil. Totally. And then I'm supposed to take it seriously and be like, well, actually, the devil started as an idea. Right, right, right. I have no interest. I imagine that the audience does get a little bit bored with. I didn't listen to the third hour. It was too boring. So yeah. And a lot of times I did listen to it and I'm just saying, okay, there's nothing in there. Get the fuck out of here. So we will obviously still be talking about the present day. But for today, I needed to go back as far back as I could. So today we are going to be talking about May 1st, 2003. Oh, is that when Christopher Lloyd guested? No, Christopher Lloyd. No guests. No guests. Okay. This episode is amazing for a number of reasons. There's a couple of things that blew

my mind. Okay, I am convinced I'm a witch now. All right. And also I just I it's, it's a new day. It's a new day from 20 years ago. I find myself like getting these reinvigorations through like whenever I can find these old time frames to look back on. Oh, yeah. It really is recharging of my batteries and it's it's it's man. I like it. So, Jordan, we start May 1st, 2003. Do you remember 2003 much? Do you remember what was going on in May? I told you, I don't remember. The Iraq war had just ended. Oh boy. Did we just miss you and accomplish? That was that day. That was that day. You are a witch. May 1st. You're a witch. May 1st, 2003 was the day that George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier with the Mission Accomplished banner. Yes, the eye day as we all

know it now. Yes, victory was upon us. Yeah. And so, hey, here's Alex and we're gonna find out a number of things. Some of the things that are really interesting to me and I'm most excited to learn about are things like how is Alex Jones's opposition to Bush and the Iraq war? How does it exist when Bush is in office? Right. Right. How can we look at that through the prism of history in the context of knowing how he behaves more generally as a pattern? How can we apply that to this source material? And so, it's interesting. Anyway, I believe you. Did you know that the New World Order has a plan? How many years behind 18 years ago? It's coming into place. Okay. I read a Pensacola News Journal article that is on infowars.com and one of our press releases

about how during a red alert you won't be able to leave your house and have any rights. You have a link to it in that story. The Marines took over the school and announced this is martial law. Bill Clinton wants you to know what martial law is about. Bill Clinton wants you to know what martial law is about. I don't care. Immediately, I'm listening to this and I'm like, this dude is doing a voice. Yeah. I wanted to, I wanted to, he's performing. This is so weird because I was, I was literally writing down like, I don't know how to describe it, but he sounds fatter. I think it has something to do with the way he's filling up his cheeks with air. I think he's doing a bit of a Rush Limbaugh impression. Oh yeah, totally. And I think that Rush Limbaugh has a sound better. Yeah.

It's just, it's remarkable. It sounds like a guy who thinks he's, you know, he knows he's doing radio. Totally. And God, it's just, it's a refreshing. Somebody trying. It's amazing. But apparently the, the globalist plan was falling apart back then. It's just constantly falling apart. It's like when you're, it's like when you're on a ship, you're constantly rebuilding the ship as you sail. That's how it's always worked. Is it? Yeah. Oh, I don't want to sail. Yeah, don't sail. It's really hard. So I can't find the original article that Alex is talking about from the Pensacola News Journal, nor can I find articles about it on Info Wars and their archives. However, I did find a GeoCities level website that's copied and pasted what supposedly this article. So I'm

going to go off of that. Okay. Reading the article, you can tell that what was going on there was a situation where this school called Hobbs Middle School, it was part of a partnership with Whiting Field Naval Air Station. And the enlisted people coming to the school, it was part of them volunteering to help teach for a day. Yeah, they did this very basic presentation as if the military was in charge of the school to help the students better understand the issues that were facing the civilians in Kosovo at the time, as is clearly laid out as being effective in the article. Quote, one of Whitfield's students, Julie McCool, said the presence of the military personnel in her school made the news she'd been watching from Yugoslavia seem a little more real. Sure.

Which is great. It achieves an impactful lesson for the students. I mean, personally, I don't think any military should go anywhere near a middle school, but that's just me. I mean, I assume that they weren't like, hey, let's become fascists, but you know, what are you going to do? Right. I mean, the idea of making the news real or helping the students understand it. Totally. There's a value to that. If you were growing as far as like hitting the kids with the butt of a gun, then I'm out. Yeah, I don't want to. I mean, yeah. And I think that they're also too sort of what you're saying. I think that, you know, I wouldn't be in favor of things that are basically like PR work for the armed forces directed at schools. That would kind of be a huge thing

for me. I don't like that. I've been a Miyazaki fan for a long time and the military teaching children it's okay to be in the military is a big deal. From the article, what I was getting from it is not so much that they were teaching that it's cool to be in the military, but it still has the effect of rubbing off and like turning these people into icons that you look up to. Totally. I can also see, though, like how this kind of an activity could be a really positive as an educational tool for the students. So I'm kind of, I don't really have a position on it. On the one hand, it could have the effect of making these youths think that the army is super cool. But on the other hand, it also has the potential to open up the students to things they

wouldn't have the chance to experience otherwise. For instance, from this article, quote, last year, students from Hobbes and SS Dixon Primary School communicated via email with a Coast Guard Lieutenant on a cruise bound for the South Pole and had a video teleconference with their friend once she got there. That could be a really neat opportunity for students to learn directly about all sorts of things in a way that's much more real than reading about the South Pole in a book. And that could be a positive thing. Yeah, sure. What's it like on that boat? Have you ever seen a man die? We have to keep rebuilding. You've never seen a man die before. I've seen two men die in my arms. Also, it's important. I don't know where that voice came from. That was a weird voice. That was a

weird voice, my bad. That's a 2003 voice. Sorry about that. Also, it's important to keep in mind that these are middle school students. I would be opposed to this being done with an elementary school, since I don't know how well second graders could process anything. Totally. That's how you get Alex Jones. Yeah, but by middle school, the kids should be exactly at the point where this could be a great experience for them. They're not too young to process it and not too old to think that it's really dumb once they're in high school. Also, this is an article from March 1999. So it's nice to see that even in 2003, Alex doesn't deal with new news. I kind of was thinking it's 2003 and we're listening about Clinton and Kosovo. And while

I do think that that is a very important historical thing for us to learn, it's the Iraq War. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're talking about militarization of police post 9-11, obviously, certainly a topic worth conversing about. But if one of the things that you're leading the show with is the military coming into a school in Pensacola, that was pre-9-11. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just need to, there's better ways to do this. You used to be able to just walk on a plane whenever the military was at this school. You could walk onto a plane. Yeah. Yeah. So that story from the past is being woven in with a new headline Alex has read about. Now I have this article, Fox News, Young Marines Teach Kids Discipline Integrity. And it turns

out it's an anti-drug, anti-gun program. And they teach the kids if they join the globalists, they get to have guns. If not, it's over. It's all part of pure evil. So this doesn't really relate at all. No, it doesn't sound like it. That four-year-old story was about a day when military volunteers, they created an educational experience at middle school. This is more or less just a press release about a youth program run by former Marines. The Young Marines is basically a more discipline focused version of the Scouts. And it's run by the Marine Corps League, which is a social organization for former Marines. They basically put kids in boot camp like conditions and have them eat MREs in order to build strength and discipline. From

everything I can tell, it's definitely an anti-drug program, but I did not get the sense that it's anti-gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would have hated being in this group. And I think it seems kind of fucked up. But the only way anyone's going to go to it is if they and their parents agree to take part in it. So I'm not going to spend too much time complaining about their choices. Yeah, you guys do what you do. I don't have time for it. The Iraq war is just going on. Frankly, the Iraq war is just beginning. When he put that Mission Accomplish sign up, was the beginning of the Iraq war. No, it did not. No, it did not. That was way back when. Yeah. Oh, man, we really thought we were going to get out of there, Dan. I don't know if I thought that

back then. I absolutely did not. I thought these guys were going to fuck everything up and we were all going to die. So Alex is above the political divide, the left-right paradigm, all this stuff. Talking about Clinton in 2003. Yes, he's above the left-right paradigm. 48th Bush too. True. Now, here's where things get a little muddy. Oh, I got news of conservative states gun grabbing all across the country. Wait until you hear about this again. Conservatism now is a byword for big government, no freedom, condoms, abortion, everything. They are ultra liberals. They are winning the war, destroying America because the liberals learned how to dress up like conservatives. It happened, folks. It happened. It's pretty illuminating to me because it's really

the core of Alex's fake presentation of being above two-party shit. Yeah. He's presenting a position where the conservatives out there are actually secret liberals, which is why the two parties don't matter because they're both not far enough to the right. Therefore, they're actually the same thing. Yeah. That's what his being above the two-party system is. Yeah, I'm above the two party system because I want to destroy them and institute a theocracy. What don't you understand? It would be fine for Alex just openly advocate that he feels alienated by politics because he's way far to the right of anything that exists in polite society. But even in 2003, he knows that's not going to appeal to a wide audience. So he plays the game of being like, oh, the left and the

right is a lie. And you know why? You know, if you actually are conservative, you've got to be an extremist to the right because these really hardcore right-wing people are actually secret liberals. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Great. So at this point, there was talk of the need for the provisional government in Iraq, the figure sorting out how to set up a system there once we were to withdraw, which as we know from living in 2021 is didn't go great. Well, it turns out that crony capitalism is combined with colonialism does not work out well for anyone. Isn't that crazy? US reported to push for Iraqi government with Pentagon prevailing. And they are appointing the members of the both party, the torture lords and others trained in

the US in the 80s and the 70s. All CIA, of course, they are another easy victory for them. They're going to be running things. And we'll get to that for you as well. I don't know how to read Alex's tone there. I really don't know what he's being facetious. Yeah, I was going to say kind of a smugness to it more than a facetiousness. I mean, they hadn't really announced debathification at that time. That's what I'm talking about. No, it's a couple weeks after this. Oh, yeah, that's what I was saying. But yeah, that's that's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, does Alex not know that that's a major thing that ends up happening? And it's a major thing that ends up contributing to the massive destabilization in Iraq. So is he being facetious in such a ways that like

these idiots are trying to get rid of the bath party? Or is he actually thinking that the bath party is what's going to continue going on? I think that based on the context that I've gleaned from listening to the rest of this episode, I believe that Alex thinks that the CIA is running the bath party and all the people with Saddam and all this like Saddam was allowed to get away to some island somewhere. Okay, okay. How did that work out? How did that prediction work out? Didn't didn't go great. Didn't go great. Didn't end up correct. He was in a hole. But he, Alex, I think he thinks that the bath party loyalists and folks who the CIA were trained up and all this right will pretend that they weren't part of the bath party or whatever,

and then they will become people who are the puppets for the US within Iraq moving forward. Okay, so you didn't assume that the CIA would betray them like they always do? I think that that's where he's going. And that actually is one of the things that I, when I was listening to this, I'm like, that's actually something I really want to track. I'm interested to see how Alex's tone goes during the debathification. Yeah, that is interesting. Because should he be for or against it? I don't know. That's a really good question. That requires a nuance that Alex is absolutely incapable of now. 2003, Alex, I think is still incapable of it, but I'm interested to find out because

at this point, it seems like he's opposed based on this to the bath party members being allowed in the government. Yes, right. But then based on his political ideology, he should be super against how the blanket banning of bath party members from all sorts of positions of influence went down. Yeah, it just seems like it seems like he can't possibly be for either. Yeah, what would, what could possibly, oh, oh, I know what could, the only thing that Alex could be for is like, we forced all of them to believe in Jesus as their Lord and Savior now. You're coming at this with too much of a 2021 Alex tone. You're right, but I'm bitter and angry. What am I supposed to do?

I understand, but we have to look at this through, through, like obviously you can't have perfectly naive eyes. Sure. But you have to, you have to look at this as like a different, a different time. As a different person. It's a different person. It's the same person. Well, it's the same person. And you'll see a lot of similarities. Okay, we'll see. Now this is why I'm bitter and angry. Sure. Yeah. So one of the things I noticed while I was listening to this is that he is definitely way more doing a radio show and he goes to calls and then I'll get back to a story and then later get back

to some calls. Like he jumps around like a lot of normal talk radio shows do. It's a radio show. And he, he's just doing a fucking rush impression. Like this is outrageous. You go to places where you can't go and buy a gun and have one in your house legally and lawfully. You got a lot of crime. Crime. Now that's a fact, ladies and gentlemen, that cannot be ignored or avoided. And we know that when a state has a low threshold of gun control where you have more liberty and some semblance of a second amendment left, you have the lowest crime rates because even a

crackhead or junkie won't invade your home when you're there because they know there's a 50-50 chance they're going to get killed. So I just, I heard that and I was like, this is just Alex doing an impression of right wing talk. That's not Alex. That's brutal. Yeah. And that sort of more guns is less crime kind of thing. That's a talking point. We've covered exhaustively because he talks about it all the time throughout all of his career. It's not true. But when I was listening to this, I felt like I can see how someone would hear that and believe it. Yeah. Because it intuitively makes sense that why, if I were a criminal, why would I risk going somewhere

where someone has a gun as opposed to somewhere where someone doesn't have a gun? That makes intuitive sense. And if you have someone like Alex saying this authoritatively and almost sort of mocking the alternative, right, why wouldn't you just assume why this guy knows what he's talking about? It makes sense. Yeah. But you know, sometimes intuitive things are incorrect. Yeah. I mean, you, you, I mean, it's the same way that people think about the death penalty of like, well, if the consequence is so high, then that should act as a deterrent in the same, you know, it's, it makes sense to the macro where it's like, well, obviously we're not getting into a nuclear war because of mutually assured destruction. So that's a deterrent against

doing that. But they, you know, you're fucking hungry, man. You know, like that's, that's a bigger deal than whether or not you're researching the possibility that this home you need to do is, you know, like that kind of thing. Yeah, it doesn't make sense in the micro level. No, yeah, that's a good way to put it. So George Bush, how would you describe his politics, like on the spectrum of right to left? Oh, boy, I would put him in the, the, the like, not far right, not center right, that sweet spot of like, yeah, I want to kill everybody, but I want them to think I'm nice while I do it. Would you call him conservative? Compared to now? Yes. You're wrong on all counts. Okay. Bush isn't conservative.

His cabinet isn't conservative. They are the most socialistic creatures ever seen in U.S. history, but they're just puppets carrying out the agenda. If you had Al Gore in office, things would be worse than it was under Clinton. And whoever's in office next, it's going to be worse than under George W. Because of their puppets, their front man. Yeah, so he's a super socialist. Yeah, he's a super socialist. He's the most socialistic creature in history. And all of Bush's cabinet too. Okay. All right. All right. Oh boy. That's not good. That cabinet, see now that's, that's a cabinet filled with pure psychopaths. That's the thing about George W. Bush. I don't think he gave a shit. I think he just filled his cabinet with a

shit ton of psychopaths who wanted to murder. Let's see if we can surround this team. Just get it full of weirdos. Yeah. Four out of at least, at least four of the people in George Bush's cabinet had personally strangled the person, you know, like that kind of level of psychopath, really excited to see the 2004 election happen. Anyway, this next clip I think is, is, is wild because Alex is talking about how he doesn't feel bad for Saddam, which obviously, I guess that means that he doesn't feel bad that Saddam's missing or out of power. It's hard to feel bad for Saddam, but Alex, based on things he says later, I think he thinks he's on an island somewhere. So I mean, obviously don't feel bad for him. Well, I mean, it's not like Saddam was

Napoleon where they're like, okay, we got to exile you. That's our solution to this problem. Yeah. And then Alex gives a voice to some stuff that I can actually, you know, appreciate. That is that he feels bad for the citizens in Iraq, the people in the, on the ground who are being affected by this stuff. But if you pay attention to this, this is one of these indications that you can get that Alex, even this empathetic kind of vibe that seems really grounded and decent is actually rooted in just fervent anti-government sentiment. Of course, Saddam is a bucket of trash. Of course, he's evil. The CIA Harding folks in 58 is a hit man told him to invade Kuwait. I mean, yeah, he's a bad guy, folks. So I'm not sad for Saddam. I am sad for the Iraqi people

that are being mowed down in large piles by the hundreds. If they dare to protest and one child throws a rock. I am sad for the US citizen, the young college girl unarmed, run over by a bulldozer. He then savagely backed back over her in the giant armored army bulldozer. I am sad for the AP and Reuters cameraman that are being shot by Israeli snipers in the head as they wear vests that say press. I am sad for the police officers killed by their own SWAT team members. I am sad for the people being shot down by corrupt cops and having guns planted on them. I am sad, ladies and gentlemen, for the people being abused by government worldwide. It's all in service of just strong anti government positions. Yeah, I don't I don't see him caring as much now about the hundreds

of millions that were slaughtered by the United States government. But you know, what are you going to do? No, I can't expect him to continue caring about these people. It's over after today. Yeah, and that's that's part of the reason that I think it's really interesting because he's saying a lot of the things that are right, but it doesn't feel like it comes from a place of any like solid center. Yeah, to it. Like it's not it doesn't feel like it's based on intrinsic belief. Yeah, as much as it is. Well, I guess it is. But the intrinsic belief is opposition to government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a little bit taken aback because it seems like I want to say that this is a slicker show already. A little bit. I mean, it's completely out of control in the present day.

Exactly. But it's hard to like, oh, well, see, just because he's I would say it's almost more disingenuous by being a slicker show. Yeah, I agree with that. You know, and I think that that's part of the reason why I feel reinvigorated by this. Yeah, because I can see how someone would believe it. Yeah, I can see how someone like listening to a clip like that could be like, yeah, this guy gets it. Yeah, he does get it. It is fucked up that US troops are killing civilians overseas that is fucked up. Yeah. And that is the way that Alex baits the hook to get people to fall into his anti government. Totally. No, it seems fascinating. It's so disingenuous and so so evil, just evil, you know, to hide your like, I'm a John Bircher behind like, hey,

it's wrong to kill civilians, because his answer is, yeah, it's wrong to kill civilians until I want to. You know, it's that kind of situation. And he just leaves out that last part, which in the present day, he kind of leaves it in. Yeah, he mostly leaves it. Yeah, he mostly leaves it in now. Yeah. So we'll get to a lot more of this like overt trickery, because I think you see some pretty stark examples of it later on. And actually, the John Birch Society comes up later in an interesting way. Okay. But before we get there, Alex has another headline. This is about Tom Ridge, Homeland Security, wanting to institute an ID system for livestock due to a concern largely about the vulnerabilities within the food chain. Sure. The ability to know if there's a diseased

cattle somewhere that causes blah, blah, blah. Right. So Alex reads this headline and apparently it's all about like more taxes or something. Ridge favors national ID system for livestock. And you know how bad this is? A whole layer of government bureaucracy in your life, harassing you, taxing you. Oh, yes, a whole new bureaucracy knowing everything you've got, your cats, your dogs will be pigs, sheep, goats, cows, horses, a whole layer of tax. You'll have a registration fee every year on your animal. Keep the homeland and the food supply safe. Seems to be mocking the idea of protecting the food supply. Yeah. Now that that's interesting, because that does fit the tone of some of the rest of his coverage throughout the show. But what it doesn't fit is the tone of one

of his commercials. Are you prepared? Seems that more terrorism on our soil is inevitable. Chemical attacks, biological, nuclear, who knows for sure what dangers lie ahead for America. Recent articles have pointed to vulnerability in our agricultural industry. An attack on our food supply would be devastating. Jerry Guadetti from the Ark Institute has been alerting people to this very real possibility for years. Yeah. So I can see how conflicting messages would cause problems for early listeners to the show. I was listening. This is very bizarre. It's like, okay, your editorial is out of sync with your advertising at this point. That's why you're not raking in the cash. That could be an issue. Yeah, that could be a problem. Very weird. Ted

Anderson is still selling crap to his show. That's a survival seed company. So obviously, it would be in their best interest from an advertising perspective to drum up the fears of the damage to the food chain and the food supply. Meanwhile, Alex has an interest politically in painting that as more government and more taxes. Of course. They're going to tax your cat. Yeah. He says loving ice. So, you know, I don't know, man. When you were in school, do you like playing games at recess? Yeah. Did you ever play four square? Sure. Four square was great. No black magic. No cherry bombs. No black magic. If you threw a cherry bomb, you're out. You're kicked out because then you have to chase after the ball. I don't even remember any of that

means, but I remember exhaustive conversations. Yeah. That was the beginning of the when you first find out about the kid who's like, Oh, no, he's going to take his ball. Isn't he's going to take his ball? Oh, shit. Now we don't know how now we have nothing to play with. I remembered the conversation of rules more than I remember four square itself. Totally. Well, here's the good news. Four square is still legal. However, dodge ball has been banned all over. Maybe you haven't heard, but it's been on television. I know schools right here in Texas parents right here in Texas that have called in on the show about it. It's been in the news. Dodgeball has been banned almost nationwide. I remember our favorite game. In fact, the girls, the, you know, the kids that weren't

that big, the runch, everybody loved dodge ball. I mean, everybody would hooray to play it. Everyone loved it. And you know, if somebody didn't like it, that's the way sports are. That's the way P.E. should be when you're six years old, seven year old, eight year old, 10, 12. He's playing us for about 10 or 12. They banned it. And then I read a report about a month ago where they arrested kids, two or three of them, criminal charges of assault, because they would meet before school. I remember doing stuff like this, but we would, we would wrestle. We would wrestle and knock our teeth out and break our noses and the coaches would come around and go, you guys watch, you're going to get hurt. Do that on the mat with your headgear. Get in here. I'm giving you a swat.

You know, you'd, you'd, they'd take you to the nurse and fix your lip and then you'd get a pop for wrestling without headgear. But the point is now the kids will secretly get behind the school with their dodgeballs. It's a little bit of freedom. I can't find any stories about, uh, no, you can't find it for pre pre school hours, dodgeball games. That's such a, I hate those. I hate that shit so much of the, like one, it seems silly now not to realize that dodgeball at that age is essentially a way to facilitate bullying. Yes. It's like, I, I'm happy playing at dodgeball as an adult. That makes perfect sense. We all know the game. We're all doing a great job as a kid. You're just like so many guys just picked on the smallest like

Alex. This is like everybody loved to play the game. He wasn't the runt. Yeah. You know, I think it is a game that can get abusive. Yeah. And I understand people not wanting to play it and they shouldn't be forced to play it. Totally not. But in case of people want to play during recess, I don't know. That's great. I don't believe, I can't, I don't believe that it's been banned almost nationwide. There are arrests happening if you play dodgeball. But I do think it's interesting the different way that Alex is talking about his school days violence here in 2003. Totally. Very less dark. No, it's no point. At no point in time did I hear him say he stomped a guy's guts out. Yeah. Now, if we take the present day understanding of Alex's former

violent tendencies where he murdered a couple people. Yeah. A little bit different. It seems weird that he'd be sitting here in 2003 laughing whimsically about. Come on. We used to have little scrapes back in the day. Now granted, I murdered. I did kill him. I did kill him. I hate those fucking stories so much of like, oh, when I grew up, we used to go out back and we'd get hit with a switch if we got in trouble. And we turned out fine. And you're like, you guys are all legitimately insane. Everything you believe is nonsense. You did not turn out fine. Do not tell me that story and then not connect it to your violent present. And that's why they're banning dodgeball. Of course. Now, do you think anyone has been arrested for this is going to, this is,

this is a trivia question that is very important. All right. Do you think anyone's been arrested for musical chairs? Yes, absolutely. 30 to 40 people at a time daily. You've probably heard they're making musical chairs. You can't play musical chairs. Now, there haven't been a rest made for musical chairs. Oh, shit. I was wrong for secretly playing dodgeball or tag. I forgot. Tag two has been banned. Tag. You get arrested for playing tag. Then why the hell did you bring? But bring up tag. Yeah, I know. But why did you bring no rest for musical chairs? I would like statistics on that. I would. Does the FBI publish musical chairs related arrests? Yeah, it's from the Bureau of Statistics. Does the ATF also take care of that? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I feel like as I recall, musical chairs can get a little bit physical, but it's not supposed to. Like if some kid is fighting with somebody over a chair, that's a behavioral issue. Everybody goes, okay, well, we got to deal with this now. This was unintended. This is not part of the game. Yeah. So, Alex is pretty deep into a conversation about what you can and can't do at schools and how the government is cracking down. Oh, that government. Now they have gone too far. Oh, well, here it is. Banned on campus, boys talking to girls. World net daily elementary students protest restriction after showing public signs of affection. Sixth grade girls protest photo, Harold and news newspaper, and it shows dozens

of young six grade girls with signs saying, allow us to talk to boys. Uh, smiling. Shoulder could lead to criminal charges. Okay. Everything's criminal now. So that's, uh, that's a good story. How are we still doing this? So this is a story out of Portland, Peterson Elementary School in specific. What happened was that there was a teacher at the school who witnessed some non specified public displays of affection at recess and decided, as a preventative measure that they needed to disallow girls and boys from talking during recess. Obviously, this is taking things a little bit far, but also Alex is completely blowing this story out of proportion, pretending that if a boy talked to a girl that get arrested

on criminal charges, that's totally made up because I suspect even Alex knows that talking about this story on the merits of it might come off as a little desperate in terms of trying to make your audience outraged. Silly. Honestly, he's missing the forest for the trees here and there's a much, much better story to be told. That is the story of Sarah mains and Hannah Guerrero, two 12 year old girls at the school who took issue with the rule that got made and protested against it. Sarah and Hannah straight up formed a student committee, studied the school's rules and figured out the proper steps to get a complaint heard. They got all the protesting students parents to sign off on letting them demonstrate, then held a protest to have their

complaint heard. Sarah's mother puts it so well in this article from the Heraldon News, quote, I'm so proud of my daughter. The hardest part was to walk into that school after protesting like that. She stood up for herself. I think she learned something important. It's heartwarming. Yeah, it is nice to know that no matter what era we're in, it is a universal rule that children are way better people than adults by a wide margin. Also, the principal of the school said, quote, no disciplinary action would be taken against the protesters and he's willing to hear any complaints from students and parents. What you basically have here is a situation where a teacher possibly and probably overreacted to something that they were right to be concerned about.

This led to an overly broad rule being put in place, which got students to become active in opposition to it. These kids learned how to appropriately and effectively have their voices heard, how to present an argument through proper channels to power. It's honestly an amazing story and I'm so impressed by these kids. Yeah, it really is an amazing story. What a bunch of dicks. This story that is really inspirational as absent from coverage in places like Info Wars, because the story isn't real to Alex. Yeah, it's a prop. And for this to be an effective prop, he has to distort details to make it something the government was doing to these kids, as opposed to an iffy administrative decision. It makes me kind of sad because the Info Wars

audience is deprived of hearing this story about students getting involved in direct civic action solely because focusing on that too much makes it clear this whole thing about flirting becoming a criminal act is complete bullshit. And that bullshit is how he keeps the audience engaged in outrage. Well, I mean, the story is essentially a microcosm of the people taking on the government exactly like Alex would want them to do theoretically. However, that would be bad for his audience to actually take civic action to change things because then he would run out of money. Yeah, the students who were protesting here didn't, you know, try and change the government by sending money to a blowhard student in the class. Yeah, totally. There wasn't one student in the

class who yelled a whole bunch. Yeah, exactly. And then they were like, I'll take care of it for you. I'm the tip of the spear going against this teacher here. Send me money. One student had written a pamphlet that it was selling. Yeah, that would be who Alex is. The teacher's horse. She's just in it for the apples. How does this still work? I think that's why I'm a little depressed about going back to 2003 because how do adults still get caught up in this bullshit? Look at this. It's the same story that we're hearing about now. Yeah, it is. It's the same story. Well, because I think it's the same shit and adults, adults are still like at no point in time. Are they like, oh, have I heard this exact same thing 20 years ago and I'm fine? Well, yeah,

but I think that you forget. I mean, the war on Christmas happens every year. Sure. Sure. That's true. I think it's one of the evergreen things about war happens every year. I think it's one of the evergreen things about the right wing media ecosystem is like these these complaints that somehow the, you know, all the kids are being softened at school or whatever. It's just something that will never not elicit a reaction from that audience. Yeah, no, of course, because if they were to hear that the kids weren't fighting at all, they were learning using their words, organizing and then making real change in the world. That would not fit in with their these kids are soft argument. You know, that would be difficult for them. It would actually make you kind of look

like an idiot for fighting instead of learning and organizing and making change. Yeah. And those girls who started that protest, who got the committee going, studied the rules, they accomplished what they set out to accomplish. Yes. And they both grew up to be Michelle Obama. That's one of the important lessons I think is being deprived from the audience. And I think that's just unfair. But that's how it's supposed to be. Anyway, Jordan, if you want to get more depressed about thinking about the past and the present and about how I'm a witch, I would ask you to put your mic down. Okay. The British government actually released foot and mouth. In fact, two months before the outbreak, they had to admit they had contacted people,

the agriculture departments in the counties and said, get hires ready, get lots of wood ready to burn piles of dead animals. They said, why? And they said, Oh, well, you'll see. You'll see. And then they admitted the foot and mouth got released from port and down bio weapons lab. They said by accident, someone released it or someone stole it. By the way, that's a level four bio weapons lab that has stuff that will kill specific races and people wipe out all whites, wipe out all blacks. Just amazing. So many similarities to the present. Wow. There's no truth to what Alex is saying. But interestingly, in the aftermath of the 2001 foot and mouth outbreak in the UK, there were a ton of rumors flying around about how it started.

Subsequent investigations have shown that it started on a farm that was feeding its livestock untreated waste. But that didn't stop theories from flying around in the days immediately after the outbreak. One of the popular theories was that there was a vial of the specific strain of foot and mouth that had been stolen from or accidentally released from port and down a biological lab in England. Sure. This is an interesting story, and it follows essentially the same path as Alex's present day theories about the novel coronavirus. At various points in the early days of the 2020 outbreak, Alex has suggested that it was intentionally or accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And he's also discussed the use of race specific bio weapons

to bolster his claims. Jesus. This is like looking into a front house mirror of the past. This is so awful. I'm trying to torture you with this. I mean, because what, why would you, like, okay, I get that we're evil as a species or whatever. And people are going to do, you know, just because something shouldn't exist doesn't mean it's not going to, right? But you can't possibly think it's a good idea, even if you could make a race specific bio weapon, you can't think it's a good idea to leave it anywhere. Like that's you, you have to have that in a safe inside of a safe inside of another safe with like surrounded by people who've lost their hands, who can't open it, like that kind of shit. You would, if you would ever endeavor to make something

so stupid and destructive, you would have to keep it in a parody of security. Yeah. Something that's a false. I mean, it's, it's literally like your one whoops away from all white people gone. Like that's not okay. Yeah. And also race specific bio weapons are real. That's bad. So the guardian looked at the various theories about the foot and mouth outbreak and the port and down one was one of the ones that got their attention. Unfortunately for the conspiracy, they spoke to a representative at port and down who said, quote, we have never worked on foot and mouth. That doesn't sound like folks admitting that it was released from there, but yet Alex is on air saying that it's been admitted. It's about what they don't say. That's weird. It's really

weird. Kind of like how he always acts. This guardian article also discusses the revelation that months before the outbreak, people from the ministry of agriculture were calling around getting quotes on the price of timber in order to burn diseased animals. That is true. Yeah. Alex is reporting this as them sneakily and cryptically telling farmers to prepare pires, but that's about the level of accuracy you should expect from Alex. Yeah. It's kind of close to something that's real. But according to the guardian, quote, Stratfordshire Animal Health Office, part of the ministry of agriculture, rang around merchants in the autumn asking for quotes for timber for pires as part of an animal contingency plan on how to deal with swine fever

and foot and mouth outbreaks. This is a requirement of all EU countries. It happens every year. Yeah. So it's not something that's suspicious at all, but Alex has built it into a foot and mouth was intentionally released from a level four bio weapons lab. Of course. In order to... Oh boy. That's the story that's more about how England was like. Remember when we threw dead bodies in the Thames and then there was disease? We don't do that anymore. It was a smart move on our part. So another sort of mirror glimpse to the present and the past comes in this next clip. Just stylistic though instead of content. And I haven't even scratched the surface. I've covered some of the important news. The news is so insane today that I will cover all 100 articles. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it in the next two hours. But and we're going to get to all your calls immediately after this break. That's just it. Oh, wow. He's always about to get to it. If you say that there should be a ticker that appears like just by magic, like a hundred stories, like a hundred, like it's a countdown clock. It just appears every day. The show ends at 98. If I had it, that's like two stories. That's like my my my wish. Like my genie's wish is just like nothing. I don't want money. I don't want happiness. I want purely just if you make a claim like I'm going to do a hundred things, a ticker appears the end. Yeah. So Alex does end up going to take some calls and he gets a call from a guy and the conversation drifts into talking about the

government tracking children via cell phone. Sure. Or tracking people by cell phone and then using the excuse that it's to protect the kids. Right? Yeah. And then Alex says something weird. And but now that they're announcing that we're about to be tracking you, the government says that all the police locally are watching the FEMA command center they built. Now it's oh, it's for the children. See how they introduce it? It's for the children. It's it's for the criminals. It's it's for the minority. So it's always for that other group. Go ahead. So that's interesting to me because that's right on the line. That's right on the line. It's always for a minority. Yeah. That's that that's the kind of thing that if you were really uncharitable and

ungenerous to him, you'd be like, okay, so what minority group. So you're talking about here is that is that coded language is that but it's you know, it's also if you are charitable, you could be like, well, he's just saying that groups that aren't the majority. So criminals are a minority of the population. You know, it's it's right there on the line. It's always and it's rich for you to be like, oh, see how they do that. They say it's for the children. And then the next breath is like, I only care about the millions of aborted babies. It's about the aborted babies. It's not about controlling women's actions at all. Sure. Yeah. So Alex has some bad financial advice to give, although I will I will say that that you know, he's he's not saying this as like just solid

financial advice. Sure. It was an ethical component to it. But his audience would have missed out on some money if they took this advice. You got to be preemptively down at your county commissioners, your state legislature, calling Washington, you got to preemptively find out if any of the mutual funds you own own speculative tech stocks like applied digital. If you got Motorola, they're involved in the biochip IBM. IBM is a you know, so-called good stock. Well, yeah, it's like buying a piece of Satan. You need to go ahead and dump that stock. It's up from where it was in 2003. I would argue it's not it's not hugely up. But it's you'd make a nice bit of money if you if you'd bought stock in it in 2003, you'd make maybe maybe a good more than 50%

profit. Not bad. No. So but the reason that he wants you to get out of it is apparently IBM owns the Chinese military. I did not know that. I would add a addendum to that. IBM owns the communist Chinese military owns applied digital solutions, their front company. They don't want to take the heat of being involved with this product, but they are the owners. You know, their financial statements 2000, 2001, 2002 is out yet I haven't read it. Coming to Chinese plant is being built for the implantator. Injecture and the chip itself. It's all part of hell on earth. So yeah, apparently there's a Chinese plant that's being built to get the implantator and the implants for the chip that they're going to put in everybody. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.

And IBM owns the Chinese government's military. That is an interesting way to diversify your business, your revenue streams. Yeah. It's like, okay, well, we did pretty good with it. That almost suggests that the computer thing was just a way for them to make enough money to buy the Chinese military. It also introduces a lot of questions that I want answers to. Like, has it been sold since? That's a good question. Does IBM still own the Chinese military? Also a good question. What say does the Chinese government have about military decisions? Do they have to check with IBM? Sure. I think one of those shared office space companies wound up buying it. Yeah, I think they wound up buying it. They don't have a solid business plan. So they were like,

well, we might as well buy a military while we've got the cash. Yeah. So Alex takes another call and this guy made me really sad. I mean, I just can't sleep. I'm going to be honest with you. I spend probably about 15 hours a day studying, reviewing articles you put out. That's because you're normal. You're saying when you read about giant FEMA camps and execution centers, it upsets you. I can't imagine reading for a number of hours about things that Alex suggests people read and not realizing, oh, this guy's a dumb dumb. Full of shit. Yeah. All of this is terrible. I find that really difficult. I don't know what this guy is reading. I don't think he is. I think he's probably reading message boards or something and calling it research. It almost seems like you would

learn about how much bullshit it is by osmosis just by repetition of just like, I've heard this before. I've heard this before. I've heard this. This guy might be full of shit. Wait, this doesn't say what Alex says. Yeah. Yeah, it just pumps me out. And I think it is indicative of how a lot of his listeners and how a lot of people who get into this world, their experience of it is compulsive. What he's describing is such a compulsive relationship with this information. I read what you write 15 hours a day because you're normal, man. You're normal, bro. Because you're a normal dude. That's how people react to the things that I say. Yeah. So Alex at this point needs to make a programming note. Okay. And that is actually kind of revealing

in as much as he is clear even in 2003 that tragedies bring traffic. I got a comment last weekend that after every time there's a terror event, the listenership peaks, it spikes. Well, obviously, all news, newspaper sales go up, radio listenership goes up for news talk. That always happens. And I made the comment that right after the so-called Iraq war ended, that listenership dropped. And then that gets picked up and another host says it. Another host says it. And basically, it ends up we don't have any listeners. That's ridiculous. A little defensive. But I think that this is interesting because at this point, he does understand that dynamic of like tragedies lead to more people viewing my shit, which is a lesson

obviously you should have learned from 9-11. Yeah. He should know that by now pretty well. But I question whether he understands at this point fully that obsessing about the immediacy of another tragedy happening soon will also spike his radishes. I think he learns that pretty quickly. But it doesn't feel like it at this point. This just feels like a radio show. So he gets another caller and this guy sent me down a nuts-o rabbit hole. Insane. Took too much of my time. I was wondering if I may take this opportunity to see if we can get any signatures on the site that I talked to you before about if you want to go ahead. What site is that, Eric? You've got a site signature? What a petitioner?

Yeah, then it lists over about 300 grievances. Oh, yeah, I read that. You sent that to me. You got a lot of good grievances there. What's the website address? Redeclarationofindependence.com. And then I would imagine it.com, yeah. New bet. 2003 is an interesting time for followers of conspiracy culture and the communities surrounding it. In the present day, extremely far-right tendencies have almost entirely absorbed that space. But it wasn't always like that. So back then, I would be willing to bet that I'd probably agree with some of this caller suggested new grievances in his post about the government. Luckily, the Wayback Machine exists, and I was able to find this caller's

redeclaration of independence. And perhaps unsurprisingly, I did in fact find some common ground with this guy. For instance, his first complaint reads, quote, We demand the abolishment of engaging our military and unconstitutional activities, spreading them out as the police of the world while leaving our borders wide open and unprotected. I might have left out the part at the end about the border since it has nothing to do with the main point of unconstitutional engagements of the military, but leaving that aside, we agree that the government's got to stop this war stuff. True. A little bit later, we find even more agreement. Quote, We demand the abolishment of all instances of murdering

citizens completely within their rights and destroying and refusing to disclose evidence in these crimes. I would even expand that language to include non-citizen residents, but we're on the same page, cops shouldn't be killing people. Yeah, it's important to remember that that's where those people were and now they're at Blue Lives Matter, you know, you don't know what this guy's up to. Sure. So this whole agreeing thing falls apart pretty quick. Since it immediately dovetails into complaints about UN treaties and calling for abolishing, quote, the post office public education and Amtrak. Oh, so we're Ron Paul in it a little bit. Okay. This document completely goes off the rails with

words like treason, starting to pop up in all capital letters. There, that's where we get into trouble. What's you all caps a word you are. Yeah, apparently part of the redeclaration of independence is charging any individual or industry that traded with North Vietnam, China, Russia, Iraq or any of their satellite countries with treason. This extends to literally everyone who worked in things like steel or petroleum industries, but also to everyone who's been in elected office in Congress or the executive branch or the Supreme Court dating back to the Korean War. Yeah, you might as well just rewrite that to say we got a clean house and get rid of all these guys and past. Let's yeah, let's begin at the 16th century and we'll start over.

The document demands quote all who served in these political positions during any of the times of armed conflict in question from the Korean War to this date be stripped of any retirement or other compensation. I'm guessing that's in addition to the treason charges. What about people who supported the Civil War? The South, huh? Do they get treason charges? It's before the Federal Reserve. Okay, well, that's fair. The thing is, this is nuts. This document is nuts. And it's hilarious for Alex to pretend that he's read it trying to humor this caller. I'm certain that Alex didn't read it, but honestly, it's so much funnier to imagine that he had and was still giving this guy a glowing review. You see, here's how the new

declaration of independence ends with a suggestion of what they should do next. Quote, we hereby petition for a renewal of government removed entirely from Washington DC and reconstituted in another region of the land and at least temporarily at first during its beginnings, this new government for and of the people will be situated and redeveloped from Austin, Texas, the birthplace of the new people's house with an initial mailing address of bleep. I'll just bleep it out. Okay, okay. A new government will be birthed for the free world, led initially and temporarily by the following patriots of this new age. Alex Jones. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Top of the list. Oh, shit. Alex Jones, Eric Rainbolt, Mike Hansen, George Humphrey, Chris

Ahtanaths, Kevin Smith and Robert Nassie in order to retain our original forefathers declaration of our God given rights and framework for the lasting legitimate Republic promoting global freedom under God's laws, not a select group of men's laws and the complete dismantlement of all forms of tyranny hereafter. Well, this wasn't that much farther after Malrat. So I can see Kevin Smith. What? It's not the view of skew, Kevin Smith. So this guy wants to overthrow the government reconstituted in Austin and have Alex and some of Alex's friends temporarily rule this new blossoming government. That's amazing. Yeah. In case you don't know those names, Mike Hansen was Alex's longtime cameraman and producer. Kevin Smith worked at Info Wars

and George Humphrey and Bob Dassie were regular Info Wars guests. The new Politburo is just employees of Info Wars. Yeah, except for Chris Ahtanaths. I don't know who that is. And Eric Rainbolt. I was like, who the fuck is that? And then I realized it's this caller. Well, you're not going to not insert yourself into the Politburo. So if you google the address that he lists as the temporary address of the new government of America, you'll find that it's listed as the publishing address for a 2005 book titled The Free Masonic Architecture of History, self-published by Eric Rainbolt. It's Eric Rainbolt's house. It's Eric Rainbolt's house. Well, hold on. It's definitely the address of the publishing of this book that was written

and self-published by Eric Rainbolt. Uh-huh. He was also the proprietor of 911exposed.com. Sure. The real mystery here, though, is that the name of the person listed as the owner of that house doesn't match with Eric Rainbolt. So I felt like I was at a dead end, but my curiosity was itching too strongly. Was this caller the person who wrote the new Declaration of Independence, imagining a new government forming at his house in Austin, where he gets to rule alongside Alex? It's really complicated, but I looked into the phone numbers and addresses listed for the publishing endeavor, and I'm pretty certain that it is this dude. It was actually written under Eric Thunderwater. I found the phone number that's associated with it. It's someone else's phone

number, but also it's a house phone. It's associated with someone named James Rainbolt, but Eric Rainbolt has published... Still living with his dad. No. Okay. I don't know. Maybe. Okay, maybe. Eric Rainbolt has written a couple of other books under the name Eric James Rainbolt. So anyway, I'm pretty sure it's him. All right. Yeah, that would probably be him. This is a stupid long road for me to wander down, but the reason I still think it's important is because there's some very fairly critical things that me and this guy would totally agree about. We would both want to end the Iraq war and we both want greater oversight on police, but it's pretty crucial to recognize that despite our differences, we aren't even close to allies, nor could we ever be. Ultimately,

I want to create a world that operates better and more fairly for everyone. And ultimately, this guy wants to be on Alex Jones' small counsel. Yeah. Also, this guy ended up with 75 signatures on his petition at the point of the last screenshot in the wayback machine available. This date was from July 2010, so I'm not sure exposure on Alex's show did much to help that petition. I would argue that maybe. 75 signatures. That's not good. They might have read it and got to the point where it's like, what the fuck? Alex is in charge of the government along with the guy who wrote this? Yeah. Yeah. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend if they also want to establish a fucking Game of Thrones style. I'm the hand of the king for Alex Jones situation.

Yeah. A bizarro religious, extreme libertarian, nonsense fantasy land where Alex and some of his guests rule the roost. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah. I too am against war, but I will choose other people to work on that issue. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this was kind of what I was like, I'm sure that's this guy. Let's talk to Eric in Texas. Eric, you're on the air. Go ahead, sir. That was the beginning of the call. It is Eric. It is Eric. Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, Alex gets another call and this guy is kind of interesting. This fella has a plan for dealing with some of the media that he doesn't like. Folks like Hannity. Yeah. These folks who are not conservative. I'll make them put the lotion of the bar skirt. No, we need to dig up dirt. Okay.

You're listeners who are very intelligent, very capable people. Many of them have I'm sure computers and know how to use them very well. You can access a lot of public domain information. It's all quite legal. And I think that we should start a campaign of accessing as much public domain information about all these suspect broadcast individuals as we can. Case in point, I don't know if you or your listeners are aware, but Sean Hannity was a troublemaking adolescent who came from a Long Island New York community. That's a very interesting thing. Maybe that needs to be looked into further. And it tells you something about what the real makeup of this man is. Michael Savage, who you mentioned, the guy used to hang out in the late 50s in beatnik bars

in Greenwich Village, New York. Oh, that's the major articles. He's a beatnik communist. That's an edit. So Michael Savage is a beatnik communist. Wow. Yeah. All right. Here's what we do, guys. We got a black male Hannity and Michael Savage with their child records. Yeah. It's really interesting. You think that that's a potent way to attack these figures on the right that you don't like and apparently aren't on the right. I found out public records that Sean Hannity got a D in his civics class. Is that the type of person we want on the radio, Dan? It is over for him. He's hashtag canceled. He's toast. This is cancel culture. Yeah, this is cancel culture. That's literally what the right does. Oh, man. Anyway, I just think it's really weird to hear

like this kind of ploy being suggested by this caller. Alex being like, all right. And then also like the political framing is so important. Like we have George Bush and all of his cabinet. They're super socialists. Sure. You have Michael Savage as a beatnik commie. Oh, boy. These very right wing people are being presented as left. Yeah. So like they're not even moderate or maybe they're supposed to be like moderate or whatever. Right knows, if you will, Dan. That was a big talking point in 2003 and ever and always forever. But it makes it okay for whatever really, really hard right wing thing you want to be like, Oh, no, this is just actually normal conservatism. Right. Right. I don't know about that. Jesus. Maybe sovereign citizenism is even

just normal conservatism. Sure. Hello, Ida. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. The reason I'm calling is I listen to you almost every day. And I understand we've got 250 million of the happiest slaves in the world living in this country. That's why they'll never revolt. I have revolted. I have been killed in jail five times. I am now looking at a year and a half in jail plus a $1,500 fine simply because I refuse to go down the road without a driver's license. Yeah. And the federal law actually says that and the court really say that they could they you don't have to have a license for the generally accepted conveyance, but that's a horse and buggy still. Hey, Alex, I've used every definition coming down the pike and court and the judge

turns around the prosecutor objects and the judge turns around and he says it's that's it's okay to object. I can't use it. And the next thing I don't get paraded off to jail. You need to go ahead and appeal it up to a higher court. But yeah, these courts even federal judges have said or just rubber stamp kangaroo courts now. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. You don't need a license for sure. For sure. Your honor, objection, silly bullshit sustained. Yeah, this isn't this isn't true. What Alex is saying isn't true. I mean, they arrested me simply because I refused to go down the road without a driver's license. Right. Is an interesting way of putting I've been driving without a driver's license and I don't give a

shit. Yeah. Also, Alex later in the call says I've driven without a license for years. So I think they're targeting you. Yeah, that sounds right. That sounds right. It's weird. It's weird. But that's like a bedrock of sovereign citizen shit. It's just a misunderstanding of rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or almost like an oppositional defiance toward the concept of rules that aren't self generated. Yep. Yeah. So in the present day, Alex Jones loves one Tucker Carlson. Sure. Can't get enough of it. Loves the guy. Yeah. Back then, I don't think. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. Obviously, we've heard he doesn't like Hannity. He thinks that Michael Savage is a commie. Coincidentally, more important figures than him. What do you think he thinks about Fox, Fox News?

Oh, I think he thinks that they are just a left wing outlet giving out propaganda for an Obama that hasn't even been elected to the Senate yet. Do you think that the average Marine or army that's on the ground today know what's going on or they even have any idea? They just don't know her. No, they just have Fox, the ultra commie channel that calls itself conservative, beamed into them. Oh, everybody loves you. Oh, it's great. Oh, you're the greatest heroes ever. By the way, we're cutting all your benefits right now. But as so what? You know, that's the system. Ultra commie channel, Fox News. We're cutting all your benefits right now is not a thing that is acceptable for Alex to say in a negative way. He should be like, yeah, they're cutting all your

benefits because you don't deserve them, you lazy pieces of shit. You know what? I quit this show. I got to leave. I got to leave. Ultra commie Fox News. Ultra commie Fox News. Yep. Oh, boy. Yeah. That wasn't quite what I expected. I mean, it's a lot to see. When I first turned on the episode, I was like, I think I'm going to have some really subtle things to try and sift through. Instead, it's just like Michael Savage is a commie. Fox News is ultra commie. Everyone are commie. It's like, oh, this is this is great. Yeah, that's that's so because we've talked about this for years of like, if you just abandoned Trump, you could carve out that space of like, I don't trust Fox News.

They're a bunch of liberal commie bullshit. You know, like listen to that. Like you, it's so easy. You could just be like, oh, there's Biden's giving a speech on CNN and they're whining about some nonsense five year old who's got a problem. Perhaps the proof of the pudding is in the eating as it were. That's true. I mean, like look at where he was in his career in 2003 and look where he is now. Like obviously, signing up with Trump has massively exposed him. It's gotten him a far greater space in the public. Sure. Sphere. He's made it's made him relevant to the point where people like at least jokingly make his name trend. True. Sometimes true. Back then in 2003, he had like a position of defiance against the right and the left. Right. He could

pretend that it was because he's above the divide, but it's really he's extremely far to the right. But you can see the it didn't work. It didn't work. No, that's true. That's true. You're not wrong. Although I but it, you know, I'm still of the opinion of like carving out that comfortable space is so much better than being like, well, if I hitch my wagon to Trump's train, I can become world famous. Yes. You know, no, I think it would be healthier and better if he had carved out that space. But clearly he lusts for the sun. That's true. That is true. And maybe that's just he could never do that while maintaining whatever it is that he's doing back then. Yeah, it is. It is one of those situations where worthy actions and context completely

different. I would be like, man, I got to give it up to you for seeing an opportunity and shooting your shot. And it has not worked out for you. But within the context and his actions, he's an idiot and I hate him forever. Yeah. And I want to throw baseballs at him. I don't know if you know this, but 2003, in addition to seeing the end of the Iraq war, we also were in the middle of SARS. Okay. Now, some people may remember the COVID-19 is originally SARS coronavirus too. Yep. The sequel to what's going on in 2003. Yeah. SARS. Let's see how we handled it differently. Reuters, money, maybe the root of all evil, but China is trying to make sure it won't be a source of SARS. Now, they already have public

service announcements here in this country of how, quote, cash is dirty. And how we need to get rid of it to the safe cashless society. Well, the Central People's Bank of China was putting more new cash in circulation and holding used banknotes for 24 hours before putting it back on the people's hands. The People's Daily Newspaper set on its website on Tuesday. The Communist Party Mouthpiece at some banks were even sterilizing Grammy bills and showering them with ultra-violent radiation, trying to kill the SARS virus, which has killed 148 people and infected more than 3,300 in China, like 300 globally, not even that many. Folks, this thing millions die every year from flu. This is nothing. They can't even isolate the virus. It's hysteria. As the Toronto Star said,

it is a UN power grab. I didn't say it. Toronto Star did. So weird to see how the past echoes with the present. Like you can dip back into 2003 and hear Alex making the exact same nonsense claims about SARS that he would eventually make about the novel coronavirus. It's remarkable, almost like the actual facts in front of him don't matter. And the particular details of a story are just decorations on top of his underlying preexisting reality denying narrative. SARS was a big deal. It was real, and it was not a UN power grab. At this point, scientists hadn't been able to concretely isolate the SARS virus, but they did achieve that this same month on March 22, 2003. At this point, when Alex is making the episode, it's only been a few weeks since China reported

the outbreak of cases to the World Health Organization, and the situation is very much in its infancy. The international community jumped into action and quickly identified and isolated the virus, and cautionary steps were taken to prevent the spread. Because of collaborative action and probably somewhat because the right-wing conspiracy movement hadn't grown to the size it has in the present day, only 774 people in the world ended up dying during the outbreak between November 2002 and July 2003. The Toronto Star article Alex is referencing is something I can't find, but I would bet anything it was an editorial article presenting the opinion that Toronto's response to SARS has been hysterical. You can find some people still, you know, some existing

websites that express that sentiment. It's hard to say if people there overreacted, but the greater Toronto area saw the fourth largest outbreak of SARS cases in the world behind China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. So it really does kind of make sense that the matter there would be taken seriously in a way that might look like hysteria, but if you didn't act that way, who knows what the end result would have been. You know, I've always been like, especially, you know, obviously now when you're thinking about it, but it always kind of like messed me up, but people say, oh, you're reacting hysterically to this virus, and it feels like the entire human race should be so hysterical about viruses and bacteria. Especially really new ones. Yeah, considering

disease has killed almost all of us. You know, like we talk about, oh, I'm so scared of war and all that shit. Of all the people who have ever lived, most of them have died because of some disease or another. And I think that like we should all be hysterical. You know, like that's what I would say. And I think that the conversation largely has been like in times when we're not dealing with outbreaks and infections and stuff. People in medical communities talk about the unknown unknowns. Exactly. About, you know, like all the conversation about disease X or whatever, about this thing that we don't know about that we may have to deal with. It's really a terrifying prospect because you have to figure out how it spreads, what its characteristics are. And while

you're figuring that out, it's spreading or it could be spreading or it might be spreading faster than you think. Yeah, it's a terrifying thing. Yeah, I agree with you. Like almost levels like levels of hysteria become more rational. Yeah. The more you think about it. Yeah. And I remember some people that I knew were going through some steps that I would say were maybe a little bit further than I would have even at the beginning of dealing with the 2020 situation. Yeah. And you know, I kind of was like, Hi, you guys are going a little far with this. Yeah. And their response was, you know, I'd rather do this and look stupid later than not do it and look feel like, Oh, I could have taken preventative measures. Totally. And I think that that's a

compelling argument. And I felt stupid afterwards. Yeah. And it's also just, but I mean, part of it is just the very fact that so many fucking people don't not just not understand evolution, but believe it entirely. It's just like, you realize that if a virus spreads, it's going to reproduce billions of times in a very short period of time, which exponentially increases the possibility of mutation and adaptation to our measures against it. Like it is not, it is a constant battle. It is not a, like even now, if we defeat COVID-19 to the extent that we would all love it, if we don't completely eradicate it, it is going to mutate and it can come back anytime. You know, like it's, it's a real terrifying reality. And most people are like, it's probably witches. Like that's where

we are. Yeah. Or, you know, witches that work for the UN. Totally. It's a UN power grid. It always is. Always. And I think if, you know, I don't know, I guess if Trump was president and the conspiracy community existed the way it does now in 2003, SARS might have been a much bigger problem. Oh, totally. Well, I mean, you think about, you think about so many of the, you know, like you think about Ebola outbreaks, you see, you think about those things that happened in the past that in retrospect, you realize were handled by people who understood and were serious about the problem instead of actively exacerbating it. And the people who are causing problems should be held responsible in the courts. So what are you going to do?

Hey, you know, Alex at this point, you know, he's getting towards, you know, end of the show, you know, we're getting, we're getting deep into it. He still hasn't covered the news. Ooh, how many of those? I'll get more into this and what life will be like under the New World Order. We have covered about a third of it. I'll have to just jam it all in calmly in the third hour. I don't know what's been wrong with me this week, but I've been more fired up than usual. Before I end this segment, you want to find out what really happened with 9-1-1. You want to see all the information, the globalists admitting it, the documents, the news articles in a professional package, get road to tyranny, get part two of that, Masters of Terror, my two films.

That's the ad pivot back then. Yeah. There's no pills to sell, no wellness supplies. Get my films. Yeah, he's just trying to sell his documentaries. I'm looking for exposure. If you get three of them, price goes down by three films. What about shipping? Is shipping still expensive at the time? I don't remember. Probably. Probably prohibitive. Yeah, it might be. So Alex has an epiphany when he comes back from the commercial and this just made me want to throw something. I'm frankly starting to panic on air. I'm going to be honest with you. Stuff's getting so bad. I see the plan coming together. Now I know my analysis has been dead on a long worse than I thought, frankly, and it's freaking me out. I know the nature of the globalists.

Watching serial killer control freak demons build a cage for humanity is very energizing. I just have energized to resist them. I've asked God to make me a vessel to fight the New World Order and sometimes I just think there's too much. I mean, I'm just too energized. I just I've got all the information. I know what they're doing and what their plans are and what their operations are. And like my mouth, my speech centers cannot, I don't think, articulate who globalist program properly to you. It's just horrible. Anyone who listens to our show with any regularity has heard that speech. It's one that Alex gives pretty frequently when he gets in a wistful, contemplative mood. Yesterday he was confused, but today all the pieces have come

together and he's more certain than ever that his analysis has been right all along. And it's worse than he thought. That's an interesting experience to imagine having like when something groundbreaking happens. But to go back to a random episode of his show from 18 years ago and see him pretending to have the same epiphany that he does regularly on his show nowadays, it's a little annoying. Also, another reason I pulled this clip is because Alex makes a reference to God and to demons. But I think you can tell how much different that feels than how he acts and speaks in the present. Oh yeah. To my ears, listening to this, it kind of comes off like a man who has religious inclinations, but isn't a zealot. It feels like a person calling his enemies demons as a pejorative

insult, not as a description that's meant to be taken literally. Yeah. It's weird to think about, but maybe Alex meant it to be heard as literal all along. And people were just giving him an unasked for benefit of the doubt. There's no way he could think demons were real, and they were just Democrats. That seems crazy. So we'll assume that he's being metaphorical in this sense. I don't think that's the case, but it's fun to think about like the possibility that no, he's been pretty upfront about it. He's talking about demons. Dan, I hate time travel episodes sometimes because you are, you're like a Mr. Peabody who refuses to let me get into the time machine. You just make me watch a movie of the past and you're like, Oh yeah. If we used

this time machine, we could fix it all, but too bad asshole. We're just going to watch. Well, that would be a more interesting cartoon. Could be. So Alex gets to another call and boy, he has some pretty anti-immigrant sentiments back in 2003. Unsurprising. You know, I have a lot of friends that are Mexicans, but I don't have too many immigrant friends, but you kind of wonder how in the world they got their driver's license the first place. You know, if they do look it up and they really do not have a driver's license, because they do not know the law. They're there for big companies to work because they do work. Yeah. The big companies have said these people are here to vote our rights away because they

don't even know what they're doing. They can't speak any language. They just told what to do with their local bosses, local little bosses, a barrio boss who works for the government. And they're here to deindustrialize and give us cheap wages. Don't arrest them. Don't mess with them. And it happens. You on the other hand are middle class and got some money. You're to be fed on, pushed around. They got to let you know to keep it lying. Okay, Alex, you know what you're doing. That's for sure. I would have the exact same response as that caller. You know what you're doing, Alex. Yeah. You lying piece of shit. You know what you're doing.

Yeah. Geez. This is the same show where just an hour ago we were told you do not need a driver's license. Right. With that caller. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm a citizen shit. So there's a difference, I would say, between who gets to not have a driver's license and who. You're not meant to remember that. Fair enough. Also, on this same show, we had Alex talking. You know, I was talking about that. Like if you're uncharitable, you could hear him saying the minority. Yeah. And you could hear that as him talking about, you know, minorities, non-white folk in his mind. Right. Or you could look at it as like criminals are a minority of the population. And that's what he's talking about. This is not the same thing. No. That's not this.

This is explicit. Yeah. These guys aren't talking about undocumented immigrants or people who came here through improper channels or people who overstayed a visa. They're just talking about the blanket category of people who are immigrants. And this conversation is outrageously white nationalist at its core. Yeah. This caller is puzzling over how immigrants managed to get driver's licenses, which is a bit silly. And then Alex shoots the moon by arguing that immigrants are coming to be controlled by, quote, barrio bosses and instructed to take, quote, all rights away. You got it. The coded language is almost comically transparent here. And this walks hand in hand with the white nationalist ideas about the great replacement that get thrown

around in more recent times. This is the way that conversation was had back then. And it's basically indistinguishable from white supremacist positions on immigration. Yeah. It's outrageous. I just see like a six year old Harrison Smith being like, man, I want to be worse than that someday. I want to be more explicit about exactly what I know he is saying. I want to, I want to take this game and push it a little farther. Yeah. Let's go a little bit further to the racist. Oh boy. So Alex, he gets to, he has this big point that he keeps making. And that is that he can go on any show on any conservative anymore. Well, there's, there's more to it. Okay. He could go on any show, conservative,

liberal, normal, whatever, right in the middle center. Who gives a shit? Sure. He can go on any of these shows. They can take 30 calls. They all agree with him. Of course. They all agree with him because he's so ideologically consistent and because everyone knows that Bush did 9 11. That's true. So he gets, he ends up role playing a little bit as some callers that he's fantasizing about talking to on these radio shows. And then I could be on some other station and take 20 calls and then one guy'll call and he'll go, you're a liar. Bush isn't trying to take my guns and I'll go, well, actually the bill numbers, that's 22 Republicans are supporting it. And you're a line coming. I tell you, you liberals come up with some plans to confuse us and get us

off track. George Bush would never, he's a Christian conservative. And you, and then the host will say, well, actually he is supporting that. And the guy'll go, oh, well, I still don't like this guy. Get him off here. I just want to turn my guns in. I mean, they don't say that, but they say everything else up to that. Uh huh. So they're in a delusional world and I can be on Pacifica radio or something with all the, what you would call liberals. And they're all calling in agreeing, making good points, admitting the Democrats are corrupt too, because if you're not hypocritical, they'll wake up. You got liberals calling in going, yeah, I see what you mean about owning guns. Uh, it makes a lot of sense. You know, the government's tyrannical.

Why should we give our guns up? I'm beginning to realize what you're saying. And I did hear Australia's crime rate exploded once they took the guns and then one person will call in and go, I bet you're a racist, Mr. Jones, aren't you? Yes. New World Order is a code word for some type of racial group you're a member of. And I go, no, actually the government's calling for a new world order. I'll go, wait a minute, you work for the government, don't you? You work in intelligence or for the FBI or for the, or do you work for some federal program? Where I work, does it matter? I'll go, just answer the question. Well, yes, I work for the government. Well, hey, whoa. This was one of the moments in the show where I was like, this is kind of

feeling like the present. Yeah, this is imaginary nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this one's good. Yeah. So I've heard that narrative arc of these callers discussed by Alex throughout his career. That's sort of, it's very normal. These seem to be archetypes of callers that he's imagined arguing with that he uses as examples for decades as dumb people he has to talk to. Yeah. These people are used as caricatures of strawman arguments presenting things that are valid complaints about Alex. He uses these imaginary dumb callers as puppets to introduce these ideas like that he's a racist because then it's a lot easier to mock and discredit those ideas like that he's a racist. You can hear Alex essentially laying out that him arguing that the Republican Party is corrupt

is a way to get liberals who can admit that the Democrats are corrupt to wake up. Yeah. If you lie about he being hypocritical, they'll wake up and they won't know you're lying because you're not a malicious figure yet. This is a strategy and it's meant to make Alex look closer to the middle where this hypothetical Democrat is. The idea is for him to paint a picture where he and this liberal have more in common than they think and they only don't think so that they're more in common because these two corrupt political parties have told them that they're not similar. This is not true. Alex is light years to the right of the GOP. So what he's actually doing is trying to pull disaffected people of either party towards

the extreme right. For people already in the Republican Party, this could mean becoming extremely right wing. For Democrats, this might mean becoming a jaded political nihilist, maybe embracing the GOP or just not voting for Democratic candidates. Ultimately, the political end result to the project Alex is engaging in is this. It's always about dragging people to the right while pretending there is no right or left, which serves the political interests of whichever viable political entity is furthest to the right. Yeah, that's what he's doing. I am above the left, right divide, Dan. They want to do all these taxes and things and I just want to drink blood from the skulls of my enemies. What? What doesn't everybody get about that? Wake up people. I'm above

the left, right divide. Right. I mean, if he was truly opposed to the left, right divide or whatever, and someone was like a Democrat and they were like, Oh, you know what? The Democratic Party does suck. I'm going to start exploring further left options. Yeah, he should be just as into that, right? I mean, you would think. Yeah. Oh, no, he's not because the socialists are George Bush. There's demons. Yeah, everybody's a socialist at this point in the present day. He's social social demons. We're not sure about that. That's fair. Could be a metaphor in 2003. He's anti Reagan at this point too, right? I haven't heard him bring up Reagan on this episode. Oh, that's true. That's true. Fair enough. He doesn't like anybody from what I can tell.

It does sound like that. Yeah. He thinks everybody that is like, you look back, you're like, oh, gross conservative. Yeah. They were communists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I can, but you can totally see that kind of being attractive, especially at that time, whenever you look at the fact that both political parties are like, war is great. And let's do it all the time. And you and you're like, what's the fucking point of having either of these political parties if we're just going to wind up with a mission accomplished banner? Right. You know, like that kind of thing. And I think that that is why something like Alex is super potent back then. Totally. Totally. Because there are a lot of people who are right in the exact place

that they need to be to hear a message like that and get sent down a road they don't know they're going to. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's hard to argue that Osama bin Laden didn't destroy an entire country by himself. It's kind of compatriots. It's kind of a little bit. No, he had tons of compatriots, of course, but it's a little bit like, you know, 9-Eleven really did defeat America. Alex does talk a bit about 9-Eleven on this episode, but not in a way that I felt like this is where we're going to start picking into it. Sure. So as I look through the 2003 stuff, when he gets into more of it, we'll definitely more 9-Eleven. Yeah. 9-Eleven will definitely be more of a topic than has been in our show in the past. But I can't talk about it today

because Alex, as he's talking about these callers that he gets on radio stations, he ends up talking about being on a show out in the UK, right? And this he got a call from a warden, a jail guard. And this is when this is evidence that this show used to be a family show. I was on an England and big national show, the James Whales show, and it covers the whole country. We're getting calls from Scotland, Ireland, wherever. It's a big transmitter, a couple of transmitters actually, a big one in London. They can have like, you know, 500,000 watt AMs there. And I'm on the show and they take like 20 calls. Everybody agrees with me. And one guy calls in and he goes, I'd love to get you in a jail cell. I'd love to get you in there.

And well, actually, the guy's threatening me saying, yeah, you're going to be in, you know, you're a traitor. You're an idiot. You're this and that. Don't talk about how my Queen's German, because I pointed out their royal family isn't even there. You know, it isn't even British. And I said, wait a minute, you work for the government, don't you? He's like, yeah, I'd like to get you. I'd like to get you. And he hadn't even said yet that he was a jail guard. I go, you're a jail guard, aren't you? He goes, huh? Huh? I go, yeah, aren't you? He goes, yeah, I'd like to get you in the cell. I'd like to urinate on you. He's another word. I said, oh, oh, and the host was amazed. He goes, how'd you know that? Well, I can just tell.

Family show. I don't say piss on this show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to adhere to these FCC rules. Yeah. No, I would say, I don't know. I haven't heard this radio interview, but I would guess that either this caller was like, yeah, I'm a jail guard. You'd sure I'm a jail guard. Right. Fine. Or this didn't happen. And Alex is imagining it. Yes. It's so interesting that Alex goes to spending like five minutes talking about how he knew this guy was a jail guard. He's like, yeah, this tone. His voice would be saying like, I want to get you locked up. I want to get you locked up. And people only have this tone when they like really want to do it. So like, I heard this guy's voice and I knew that he either, either was a serial

kidnapper, right? Or a jail guard. Because most people who are like smart kidnappers just become jail guards because then they can do all that stuff and it's legal. That sounds right. That makes intuitive sense. And this is how I read this guy's voice and knew that he was a jail guard. People who kidnap illegally just don't know what they're supposed to be doing, right? They just haven't found the right kidnapping job. It's a little annoying, but also kind of trivially fun. Like Alex is just wasting his time. It's such an annoying habit of so many people to tell you a story where somebody is acting so over the top, unreasonably, that it's impossible to believe and you knew before he even started, he was full of shit. Yeah. It's like, why am I here?

Because Alex gets back to calls. And this, this caller unfortunately has a terrible story of being canceled. I'm calling you today because my local FM talk station has banned me from asking any questions concerning the warrant commission because they say it was 40 years ago and it's so full of holes that they deny it's even existence. And it was all a big television drama like when Ruby shot Oswald. But you know, anybody who believes that Oswald actor alone, fine, I got a bridge, I want to sell you. This is like my favorite thing. I love going back to this time in the past and the callers are fucking callers. They're not like sycophant nonsense. I love your brain force now. Nope. It's a weirdo who can't call the local FM station anymore because he talks too much about

the war and report. I'm not allowed there anymore because I refuse to discuss anything but 50 year old news. That's what I do here. I love that. That's, that's a vibe I could listen to, like I could listen to that forever. I'm not allowed on C-SPAN anymore because I won't stop talking about Fort Sumter and it's bullshit, Alex. It's bullshit. The cancel culture is out of control. It's out of control. They won't let me harangue them for no reason about Fort Sumter. It's infuriating, dad. I love it. Love it. So this, he gets another call and this guy brings up the John Birch Society, which I teased would come up. Alex believes that the John Birch Society is mostly good. Yes. He's pretending that so much of his ideology isn't based on people who were in and adjacent to the

John Birch Society. Unrelated to the John Birch Society. It's very good. Unrelated. I learned everything separate from the John Birch Society. I did my own research. I definitely wasn't raised in a household filled with John Birch or literature. Mostly John Birch Society stuff and sci-fi that he thought was real. That's mostly, that really does explain everything, doesn't it? Not everything, but a lot of it explains too much for a human. So this made me laugh so fucking hard. If you get what he's talking about, don't yell it out. Just let this play out. Okay. There is a Oklahoma family who are begging oil and a bunch of other stuff who are actually involved in the founding of the John Birch Society. But the John Birch Society overall is good. Certainly early on, not the

Bergers, but other conservative groups have been used by the bankers. They'll tell some good conservative military man, that guy's a communist, go take him out and they'll go do it and later take him out for plausible deniability. So many of our troops over there in Iraq now really are risking their lives and living in a third world cesspool, a bombed out stone age system because they really believe in this country. But it is evil. Does that mean the troops are evil? No, it means they're ignorant. Thanks for the call, Spencer. I appreciate the call. I should have gotten into that. I had an article, big mainstream article on that family. Now they funded the John Birchers and all the different things they do and how they are big supporters of Bush. I need to

dig that back up and cover that. Hmm. I wonder who he's talking about. Is he talking about the Candyman? No, he's talking about Fred Koch. Oh, that's who he's talking about, son of a bitch. Yeah, he's talking about the Koch family. That's right there in, oh my God, I didn't think of them because the Kansas thing. Yeah, they started in Kansas, but Fred Koch eventually, you know, he'd go on to help Hitler build some oil refineries. Sure. And then he started a crude oil interest in Duncan, Oklahoma called Rock Island Oil and Refining Company. It's just amazing. Like in 2003, hearing Alex was like, oh, yeah, I heard about this big family that they fund to the John Birch Society and they support Bush. He doesn't know the name. He doesn't know anything about this. Unreal.

He's, he's bathed in John Birch Society nonsense and he doesn't know the name of Fred Koch. So infuriating. Yeah. Man, you know, you think maybe if Citizens United had gone another way, none of us would be able to instantly pull Koch brothers' names. Wouldn't that be lovely? I don't, I don't know if that's true, but certainly it made it worse. I think it's really interesting that like I'm, you know, obviously I'm fascinated by particularly that era of anti-communist propaganda and, and, and sort of ideology. And so the John Birch Society is something that looms large. And like, obviously I've looked into it a bit and I know about the first meetings and the, the people and like, yeah, obviously Fred Koch was one of the founding members. Yeah.

Like it's weird to me to think that Alex came from a family that clearly was Birchie, maybe not full on members, but associates of members. Yeah. And he doesn't, he doesn't understand like who the, who some of these players are. I mean, weren't they supposed to be cells that weren't necessarily connected to each other originally? So it's not like they had a hero worship of their founding members. No, but, but you would know. You would think. You would hope. You would know. But then again, Fred Koch didn't stay in it for all that long. Yeah, he was too busy with the Nazis. He's got shit to do. Then again, Koch brothers were pretty involved with like Ron Paul. Yeah, that's true. I don't know. It's, it's weird. It's weird that

he would, he'd have this non-awareness. What an ignorant asshole. How dare he tell me that he knows anything. It does feel like he's not feigning ignorance. He does seem like he's frustrated that he doesn't know the name of this big Birch family. Yeah. It's strange. Wild. Anyway, he gets another call. This is where we learned that Saddam Hussein may be on a beach. Hey Alex, my name is Nick. Hi, Nick. I've been 22 years. Just a little information about Saddam Hussein. On the 14th of this past month, the Gulf news out of Dubai and the Iranian news service both reported that US reached the agreement with Russia for 5 billion cash and credit to get Saddam and 100 of his closest followers out. It was past Thursday on Univision,

one broadcast through the middle of the day, so that Saddam Hussein had been spotted in Cuba with his family. Sounds about right. Okay. All right. Sounds about right. He's probably in Cuba. Yep. That makes sense. You know what I would do if possible, possible other explanation. Someone who looks like Saddam Hussein was seen in Cuba. You know what I would do if I was Saddam? Uh-huh. Get closer to the United States. Good idea. That's a good plan. They'll never look. I'll take a boat from North Korea to Maine. We have one last clip here because Alex takes another call and this person is into the Birch society. There's a little bit more conversation about that. I think this is kind of interesting. First, let me say something

about the John Birch society. I was a member when I lived in Utah. I'm not a member now, but I do get the magazine and they put out wonderful information. I was going over some old ones the other day that go back into 98 and here they were telling about this threat of the World Trade Towers being bombed. This is all a connection with Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, and on and on and on. And how the government's going to blame you for it. But the one thing I want to make clear, and this is for everybody, you know, there's people that say things about Alex Jones and put out information about Alex Jones or John Statenill or somebody

else. And this is a ploy. I remember back in the 50s and 60s, the Communist Party put out a propaganda divide and conquer. Right. And the same thing with MacArthur. I even hear kids talk about MacArthurism as though that was something evil. No, MacArthur was right. He wanted so he's bad, yeah. MacArthur was right. Okay, the other thing is... Well, MacArthur was right. The KGB files got released five years ago and it turned out it was twice as bad than he thought. But it was okay when he said it was... Hold on, let me say something. It was even... Hold on a second, ma'am. It was okay, ma'am. It was okay when he said that it was just Communist. Yeah. When he figured out that he said, wait, the army runs the Communist, our army's

giving them nukes and funding them. Boom. He was out of there like that. Go ahead. So Alex has made up a fun story to try and pretend that Joseph McCarthy was right in his insane communips, witch hunt, but that's all just bullshit. Yeah. Also, I love the moment there where he almost yells at her. Yeah. Yeah, that is nice. That's a really polite, angry Alex. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than better than now. Fuck off. Yeah. Also, look, why my shit? I would assume that those issues of the John Birch Society magazine that the caller is referring to, I think they have to do with the other time the World Trade Center was bombed back in 1993. You would think. I would assume it has something to do with that. I've noticed that a lot of conspiracy thinkers tend to ignore that

that happened because it helps to, you know, make sense of why people would have been talking about terrorists attacking the World Trade Center before 9-11. Yeah. It would be like, oh, so this guy already tried it. It would make sense for him to give it another go if he failed the first time. Yeah. They need for these conversations to be devoid of the context of the first bombing. Right. Because otherwise it's like, yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh, there's a reasonable explanation for this. I find this really weird because Alex is talking about like, okay, so this caller is saying that there's a John Birch Society magazine from like 1998. It's talking about bombing of the World Trade Center and Alex is like, yeah, and how the governmental blame been on. Yep.

That's supposed to be his prediction. Yeah. So wait, now he's saying that the John Birch Society stuff from 1998 was making that prediction that he made in 2001 that also he stole from Bill Cooper. Yes. Yeah. Alex doesn't seem to be so like eager to take credit as some kind of a prophetic person in terms of this at this point. Yeah. I would imagine the reason that he didn't make it to the four year university was he couldn't keep himself from plagiarizing anything and everything in his sight. Yeah, it's possible. It feels like more of an individual at this point though. He does. That is true. Yeah. I was not. I mean, despite the Rush Limbaugh impression, the very clear. Yeah. No, I remember at that time, my dad had all the Limbaugh books and I was

inundated with right wing talk news radio and I wasn't hearing this shit. That's for sure. I definitely wasn't hearing this. Some of this is a little weirder. Yeah. Yeah. But also I'm fascinated by how some of it is so like one to one similar to the president. The way he deals with SARS, the way he's saying that they intentionally released foot and mouth from port and down. Yeah. Like it's it's hauntingly similar. Those who learn to exploit in the past refuse to change anything so they can continue exploiting in the future, Dan. So I have one last question for you. What do you think about apples? They're pretty good. So what do you think about them apples? That's the real question. I'm fascinated. I'm loving the past and I can't

wait to keep listening to this, especially to see like how as the Iraq war is clearly not over, how Alex deals with that 2004 election. We haven't done monthly investigations for a long time. I feel like this might be open ended. This could be forever. But be not afraid. I will still also be keeping up on the present day and I promise our next episode we'll check in and see what Alex is up to, whatever his dumb ass is talking about in the present. No kidding. See if it mirrors this. Let's find out. We'll see. But anyway, we'll be back. Until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's ad knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan. Yep. We're also on Facebook. We are.

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