Knowledge Fight - #548: May 5, 2003

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan get back to work by taking a trip back to 2003 to see what Alex Jones was up to back then. In this installment, the gents learn that the Civil War was a false flag and find a hint that Alex may have believed that he was fighting the literal devil all along. 

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan we're a couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan quick question for you what's up what's your bright spot today my bright spot today is that I have been uh vaccinated yeah they're all taken care of and uh I'm I'm okay yes indeed at this point uh it was an interesting weekend um I actually I got my date wrong and ended up getting the vaccine on Saturday yes yeah and uh I had heard from some people I had had some friends who have gotten a shot and they've told me about like oh you know hey the next day

it's pretty bad or like I had a little bit of uh you know some some effects sure sure sure and so you were kind enough to drive me to get the vaccine and I went and immediately I was very cocky I was very much like I'm not even having any side effects I want to I want to be part of the team everybody's suffering through this I appreciated very much the the hubris of saying you know I feel like I'm not even a part of the communal experience of of the side effects yeah and so that evening Saturday evening uh WrestleMania was on Saturday and Sunday and it was the return of the live audience at a WrestleMania and there was this weird resonance between I got vaccinated on the same day as WrestleMania is having crowds return sure sure there was sort of a swell of

emotion of like norm right right right pseudo normalcy you can see the horizon yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and uh so I was watching it and uh right at about 9 30 I got hit by a train of a fever just a just a locomotive and so I had a little bit of a fever uh through the end of Saturday night WrestleMania uh and went straight to bed and felt fine uh Sunday really but uh felt real stupid wow I mean Dan you got you you got your wish you joined the communal experience of side effects Dan you and I are both fully vaccinated I felt really stupid uh because I was like looking at my texts to you and I was like there's no side effects I'm fine it was very funny I'm a super man it was very funny I didn't feel any like resentment towards you I was just sitting there going like oh

I've heard some people don't have side effects maybe is maybe Dan will be one of the ones in the back of my mind I was like something something's gonna happen yeah it wasn't it wasn't too bad too like it wasn't even like a really bad fever I'm just kind of weak yeah I'm very soft a little bit of a fever and I was just like I need to go I need to put on a little hat a little bed hat and go a little bed clothes nice little sleepy time tea yeah and uh so also by uh you know just feel like I should do this a little review of WrestleMania sure sure of course of course that was a very little review yeah wow real bad how did uh we we had a conversation about bray Wyatt and his nonsense did they do what we we I surmise that they would do a movie like that

where they go inside of nope nope what happened so for the listeners who don't watch wrestling bray Wyatt was a guy who was a swamp hillbilly cult leader sure and was a lot of fun unofficial mascot of this podcast that I believe yeah our first our first tweet was uh yeah I don't think that was our first tweet but it was the first one I tagged Alex Jones in yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so he used to be a swamp hillbilly cult leader and that was a lot of fun he gave rambling sermons and then he went away and he came back as a children's tv show host sure a little bit creepy sure at the firefly funhouse and then he also was possessed by a demon called the fiend right that made him nearly indestructible and there's a bunch of convoluted nonsense storytelling

of course then at last year's WrestleMania they did a cinematic movie type match where it was called a firefly funhouse match sure where the fiend deconstructed John Cena's ego and his entire career right through a weird psychological deconstruct it was amazing no no we I watched it this is one of the few things about wrestling that I've ever watched we watched it together and I told you this was actually very very good it was a lot of fun so over the course of this year the fiend the demon guy um he got burned alive sure sure professional wrestling correct okay Randy Orton set him on fire and burned him alive and he disappeared for a bit but by that point he had indoctrinated Alexa Bliss who's another character on the show sure into the dark arts or

the evil naturally yeah whatever it is they do and so she was sort of pestering Randy Orton and throwing fireballs at him because she could throw fireballs well yeah but why not sure um you burned a man alive you might as well give his buddy the ability to throw fire fireballs so at the last pay-per-view Alexa Bliss had talked Randy Orton into a match with her sure and of course this was all a trap uh and well yes she shoots fire and the fiend came back and he was all burned and everything okay all right charred up and and oh my god he's right right sure sure sure he will be visited by three other ghosts immediately following this one yeah yeah so at this WrestleMania on night two they had uh the match between the fiend and Randy Orton

and it was like what the fuck is this gonna be they've already burned him to death yeah yeah so i would have you know wrestling match a chalk and ash bone match i was like this is so stupid and so actually uh during the pre-show of night one i was yelling at the screen open with the fiend match you cowards yeah because it's the worst idea why would you ever open the show with that match oh it's terrible idea and they opened the show with that match they did not and it was so dumb they opened the show with that match that's a terrible idea yeah oh my god it was really bad oh boy yep and it started with bray Wyatt as the fiend charred walking down the hallway and as he walked down the hallway all the charred dropped off him he was magically regenerated he regenerated

oh man yeah oh shit that should have been on Easter should have been on Easter the fiend comes back on Easter Sunday that's the way you do it i would explain what happened in the match but i don't really understand it and it was dumb i will say my high point and this is damning the WrestleMania with faint praise my high point was uh the rapper bad bunny i have been hearing a lot of people say positive things about a rapper who did some flips yes that was on night one it might have been when my fever was setting in but he killed it there's a lot of fun to watch uh him have uh just the best time yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna be having a lot of fun he that that didn't happen i checked with uh some people before the show and they were

like no bad bunnies never been on WrestleMania dan just had a terrible fever oh shit dan your fever was so bad oh no your brain was torturing itself on night two they had a great video like a little uh little piece where bad bunny comes walking up like onto a street and triple h triple h is standing there with a briefcase uh-huh and he's like you did great at WrestleMania now you go do what you do oh god no so he hands him the briefcase and it's got a microphone no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no i don't even know anything about bad bunnies music and i have been won over he seems charming anyway this has been my protracted uh bright spot how about you jordan uh uh dan my bright spot

of all things uh there's a new tv show called made for love uh it's uh feature someone who's burned to death um comes back hey it's uh close surprisingly close it's like a you know tech billionaire he does some stuff it's quite funny but the the main thing is ray romano is incredible in it oh yeah he has turned himself into an actor with uh with a capital toy good he's always been pretty good but you wouldn't expect uh everybody loves rayman to be this guy and to pull it off as well as he does i don't know if you see men of a certain age that was pretty good it was it andre brower wait men of a certain age which age ray romano uh uh quantum leap guy scott bacula scott bacula is still alive it was a while back there was a show scott bacula was alive a while

back he was of a certain age i remember that show being all right i might be wrong about that wait it was a show yeah i thought it was like uh i'm like usa i thought it was like the deep impact to uh wild hogs is armageddon if you will you know men of a certain age and wild hogs both came out the same year kind of thing there's thematic uh overlap sure aging anyway okay jordan yes um today we have an episode to go over oh we do yep was that what we were doing so i had this uh this weekend of uh you know sort of recovery and what have you and and convalescence even though it probably wasn't nearly as you know in need of that as i as i might have thought i might need to be but i appreciate everybody allowing us uh you know being cool about uh monday on wednesday this week

but i as i was getting back to work i was like i don't want to do this stuff like i didn't want to look at the present day there have been some shootings uh and and you know police involved shooting in minneapolis and i just i i just didn't have the stomach to jump right back into that with alex and so i decided we're going back to 2003 okay where we're we're gonna dip our toes back in we'll deal with the present day on friday sure uh but i needed to have something that had a little bit less stakes uh in order to uh to dive back in on and we'll talk about that here in just a moment but before we do we gotta take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up in our sporting the show that's a great idea so first

scatman aka dan thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks scatman aka dan this is a good point for me to also apologize it has been brought up to me that i did say on an early episode that if we ever made it to a point where we were comfortable doing this podcast oh no we don't bring that up anymore that i would change my name legally i know we don't bring that up anymore i'm not going to be able to do that well we were not expecting it yes we were putting a lot of money on not making any money i do keep open the possibility of a scatman john tattoo or just his mustache oh yeah yeah next willard wonka in the policy factory thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks willard wonka let go next courtney b not a walk

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witch definitely coming for your guns thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much hey and finally uh i got a little technocrat shout out going out to connell thank you so much connell you are now a technocrat i'm a policy wonk crikey mate that's fantastic have yourself a brew how's your 401k doing bro all right we got to go full tilt buggy on this watson all right let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that heroin why you pimp so good my neck is freakishly large i declare info war on you thanks much connell yes thank you very much connell also jordan i know you know this what's up now the world needs to know this okay there are two april birthdays uh myself indeed they are myself there's one you have two

in april as well this year i believe dr gums my buddy dr gums also has a uh as a april birthday all right you know who else does brad how's it going brad happy birthday brad tyler got in touch with us and wanted us to wish brad a happy birthday so brad happy birthday happy birthday brad he didn't say when your birthday was though it's just in april at some point it doesn't it doesn't have to be in april my birthday is in april and so is dr gums which means that it's the best month also mandymore secretary entertainer kelly clarkson okay anyway jordan today we are going over may 5th 2003 all right you may recall that our last episode was about may 2nd 2003 you know like what the hell why are we jumping we aren't jumping okay may

second was a thursday uh alex took off friday now we're back on monday busy friday busy friday he doesn't have a sunday show at this point got you we're just back on monday here and here is an out of context drop from today's show kids are now being arrested for stepping in the water puddles that's an aggressive move that is an aggressive move that is an aggressive move yep kids are being arrested for stepping in water puddles stepping in water puddles yeah how deep are we talking so deep i want to know i want to know the regulations on what pools of what is the pool of water in this circumstance it is you know i regret to inform you that alex does not get into that it does not get into uh any any of the specific details has a real fun all right so alex begins

the show complaining about how the bath party is being put in all the positions of power sure uh in an iraq which in retrospect sounds really right on he's right about everything he will he will shortly be very very very wrong and then uh we get an addition of the game that i like to play uh that is where in the world is sedan mussein and they are setting up a dictatorship they are putting a regional governors in uh all former bath party officials in the 23 ministries that is official white house last week uh most of sedan's former people most of them trained in the u.s by the cia that was a cia government under sedan until they broke uh when he really followed orders to invade kawaitan not a lot of trouble they set him up is sedan set an itn now comfortable living in russia

so apparently sedan is now comfortable living in russia okay so our last episode he was in hady or is it cuba he was i believe he was in cuba yeah he was in cuba yeah so now he's uh he's he's in the last couple days sure he's gone from cuba to russia sure i think there was a indiana jones style uh interstitial where there's the plane in the red line going from spot to spot i believe yeah boy he gets around nobody nobody has seen him get on any of these flights no cuba russia right that hole that yeah where yes exactly yeah quite a quite a travel itinerary yeah um yeah so this is interesting the way that this is this is playing out that alex is very much uh on the page of uh the the bath party is going to be uh in charge of everything naturally it's just it's

just gonna be very very wrong uh in in a very short period of time for me yeah yeah so at this point in alex's career he's he's a different alex jones than he is in the in the present day in some ways and he's the same in some ways um right now in 2021 even as he's being a real dumb dumb on air and yeah being very sad and um not great at his job just a real shit pile he's still in a millions to dollar studio he's still got uh the the led screens behind him true he's the kind of guy who shows up with bullhorns at events that he didn't organize in dc and people chant his name he can afford to hire at least 15 18 year olds at a time and you know the he can draw a crowd he can lead some people from trump's rally to the capital in a way that might look bad in hindsight

but you don't need to worry about that in 2003 he was a little bit different the kind of bookings alex was taking back oh no but before i go any further a couple quick announcements i rarely traveled but i will be up at kcxl 1140 that carries uh the daytime show kcxl 1140 for the liberty factor may 17th that's a couple weeks from now on a saturday may 17th and that's going to be from 10 a.m to 9 p.m carnal craig roberts and others will be there speaking and um i'll be speaking for several hours and doing a presentation and it's going to be a great event and it's a benefit for kcxl and uh you have uh i i hope to see everybody there so alex is basically he's doing a local radio yeah yeah i like that yeah i appreciate that a lot there's maybe a minor league baseball

game somewhere nearby it is a car dealership opening he's gonna be appearing at yeah yeah yeah so i was wondering about this station because it's like oh alex is going out of his way to go to this station yeah seems weird like what what can we find out about this this place and uh well there's a 2020 article about the station that i thought was a little bit interesting seeing how things turned out for them so wait this was this was just uh last year yeah okay all right so this station's owned by a guy named pete chartel and uh he signed a deal not too long ago with radio sputnik to air their broadcasting for six hours a day on this station am 11 40 as well as two other stations he runs for approximately 60 000 a year oh you know it's tough keeping a

mind pa radio station alive though so like you gotta you gotta find revenue where you can yeah yeah you gotta do what you gotta do which is it's interesting i find that interesting not necessarily all that uh damning or anything no no no weird yeah also prior to this this station was airing people like alex jones and of course rick wiles who you may remember is that fundamentalist asshole who called the trump impeachment a quote juku yes uh this line in a kc ur profile about him and this station is actually kind of stunning quote chartel acknowledges that kc excel has at times given platforms to people who quote seem anti-semitic but chartel said that he thinks his listeners are well informed and should be able to quote decide for themselves whether they

think something is anti this or anti that whether it's based on prejudice or upon someone's wrong interpretation of the facts now now i feel like we're misunderstanding a real issue there i understand it's up to the listener to decide whether or not they believe it is anti-semitism however it is and you put it on the radio sir well he certainly says it seems like it it doesn't get we don't get to go back from seams we don't get to go back from seams you put it on the radio yeah and plenty of your listeners were well aware of that it was anti-semitism and it was a selling point for them i'm taking up time on my broadcast air nazi stuff and i'm gonna you know you know run commercials during it or i trust that the audience gets that i don't like this i'm not gonna i'm not gonna stump for

them i'm just gonna give them a place to spread their views without any pushback now so that's the station that alex is going to do good stuff great good stuff so alex has some gripes in 2003 he's got some issues but there's one issue that is rises above all of them okay the biggest thing we face is the overnight talk sensation types that talk about deliberate disinformation on purpose they'll have five stupid guests for one good guest that talks about real information what that then does is when the average american here's somebody talk about themus corrupt world government they've heard that mixed in with the green martians from the south pole or you know planet x or whatever and then it neutralizes all of it it's the poison pill whereas everything we talk about here

is proven and is documented and is in your face so the biggest issue that the truth movement or whatever else is engaged in at this point the biggest issue that they face is these opportunistic radio people who talk about some of the real issues but then mix in stuff like aliens or let's say extradimensional demons wow fighting the literal devil right right one one could say that he has become everything that he hates most in this exact moment alex's biggest problem in 2003 is his future self in 2021 yeah oh boy gotta love it so i heard that and i thought like well that's just good fun that is but this actually leads to what i think is a really interesting moment later in the episode okay there's something that that rises this up to a level of relevance that it wouldn't

have otherwise um but before we get to that alex has got to complain a lot about how they're gonna outlaw homeschooling okay i've got the headline right here homeschooling under new law to be abuse in california it just says period you homeschool it's abusive yes it's the new america folks this is who they're coming after hope you know the terrorism manual say christians godowners homeschoolers word for word and you thought it was the uh the uh the muslims oh no they work for the cia any real muslim terrorists is flying around on a plane with bars of gold from your tax money i just want you to know that in real way senate reports um before i in this segment you want to find out about those muslim terrorists that work for the cia get 911

the road to tyranny and part two of that the masters of terror interesting ad pivots wow the way it worked back then if you want to find out about the muslims we'll find around with bars of gold from your tax money okay yeah so so all the terrorists without bars of gold are fake muslim terrorists i think that alex is saying that there aren't really any except for cia run muslim terrorists yeah it's interesting that is interesting yeah so uh they're gonna they're gonna get rid of homeschooling they're calling it abuse i mean i have a problem with homeschooling as a way to avoid learning sure that's a big issue where they're like i don't want my kid learning any of that devil math uh that's an issue right i think kids

should learn the math of the spheres yeah uh homeschooling in and of itself isn't necessarily abusive but it can be an element of abuse if you're keeping your child in a uh you know raising them in some kind of absurd way perhaps let's let's say homeschooling could be an element of that but just because someone uh decides to homeschool does not necessarily equate to that yeah i think that alex likes to play the margins there likes to pretend that everybody is saying that homeschool is intrinsically sure uh inactive abuse i mean i don't think that those are the arguments that people are making you know i mean i in my small community growing up we had a couple i had i had that but i think we had both ends of the spectrum of homeschool kids the kids who are homeschooled

who are clearly way overachievers and you meet them and they're six years old and you're like yeah you shouldn't be in with the rest of the chattel you need to be raised by your weirdo parents to become a math genius that's fine and then the other end of that was the like well okay so they know everything about the bible uh and then beyond that we're in real dicey territory sure yeah i think one of the difficulties and challenges of homeschooling is obviously like socialization and i think people have figured out ways around that with like yeah you know groups and sport leagues and stuff like that yeah the whole thing yeah but i don't know the way that i look at it is like yeah there's some homeschool stuff that's bad and there's some stuff that's

fine yeah alex on the other hand when he looks at school sure it's all bad oh well and all over the country cesspools like california run by socialists and gun grabbing creatures like davis are first saying oh we're going to rescue you homeschool if you don't have a teaching certificate not a law they just say it same thing in illinois they're trying it all over now even some southern states it's all about intimidation it's less than one percent it's to scare you than to be highly publicized we've talked to christopher before he's given us this great analysis and i agree with him is what they're doing now though they're trying to put it into law and call it child abuse and where they just refuse to school refuse to give you quote your form

then you don't put your child in their abusive system where your child learns how to be a crack whore or learns how to worship world government or learns how to report mommy and daddy thrown in guns as the only where christianity is seen as a cult religion but they teach you how to be a muslim i mean it goes on and on the nightmares in these schools where your kid gets arrested if they're caught playing tag or dodgeball these are weird examples yeah this is a very strange dystopia that he's he's painting a picture that if that were real you would that's some very weird adults doing some weird stuff like as a whole yeah i don't i don't know how um public education teaches you to be and i i don't i don't like this term but as alex is calling it a crack whore a

a a a crack sex worker i don't i don't know what the that educational curriculum is like i also think yeah i mean like obviously tag and dodgeball that's just those right wing talking points around this time and periodically whenever they want to deploy those yeah it's weird yeah i don't think i remember any classes growing up that was just like okay we're gonna watch the wire and then you figure out what character you want to be and we'll build a curriculum based on that yeah i also don't know i don't know what um classes ever have been like christianity is a cult and oh here's how you become a muslim i don't know if i've ever read it yeah it's a little that that's a little it seems a little bit like a character

i feel like he might be describing a women's studies course in a very wrong way um i don't know so uh alex has an example though of like the way that this is out of control in the schools uh the schools are out of control they're trying to get everyone jammed up okay like here in austin texas if you're late to class three times that's considered truancy they criminally charge you in one school over half the kids have been charged though the state law says 12 to 14 truancies in a semester they're not even following the law anymore i met a lady she showed me the documents uh and she actually works for someone in my family and she brought she showed me the documentation her child was in kindergarten six years ago and was out for a week with pneumonia they have now criminally charged her

for truancy in kindergarten and we went looked at the statute of limitations it's like six months because there's not even a criminal charge and they're now criminally charging her they're not even following laws now sir what that seems uh i if true i am outraged sir yeah i don't believe this so the first thing that i find troubling about this story is that a week is a pretty quick recovery time for a kindergartner to get over pneumonia as easy that seems fishy it's a strong kindergartner also jordan i would ask you this question what is truancy if you're a kindergartner those kids are between four and six years old so it's not like they're even able to skip class they stopped watching the wire all right they turned around if there's an unexplained absence

of a child in kindergarten that's an issue with the parents a six-year-old is not responsible for getting themselves to class like a high schooler might be so pretending there's an equivalence in terms of truancy is just ridiculous the kindergarten hires a guy in a band to drive around outside all seven elevens and be like hey you you're it's your one day you gotta be in school get in there according to the texas board of education there are a bunch of steps that are taken before any kind of court would come into play with truancy issues as it stands now these rules were changed uh to get rid of any possible criminal charges back in 2015 but even prior to that the worst that would really happen to a student is that they would be charged with a

class c misdemeanor sure however it could get out of control and we'll discuss that in a second right right i'm not sure how i feel about any of this but i'm also pretty sure from what i've read on the subject that this is only something that currently is done after there are attempts to resolve the truancy issue and those attempts have failed sure and it's not even how this stuff works anymore this is one of those interesting things about alex in the past though where he he's actually covering a murky subject but he's sensationalizing it's so far past the point where it can be taken seriously yeah thoughtful people can and should discuss what approaches are appropriate to take in terms of encouraging attendance in school and how chronic truancy is often an indication of a

larger problem that should not be ignored and kids need help with yeah if chronic truancy the problem is not you're not in school often enough right there's a way bigger problem somewhere it usually is a sign of something that someone could use some kind of assistance with is imposing fines on high schoolers who skip class all the time a good strategy or is it overly punitive and counter productive that is a fine conversation i think that uh it's worth having sure where it falls apart and why alex is a terrible source of information about anything is the point where he makes this about a kindergartner who had pneumonia being criminally charged for being out of school that's absurd and even according to the debatably too harsh rules that texas operated under at the

time these truancy rules only apply to students in first through 12th grade alex is making up an extreme example of some anecdote that he's heard that's so severe that it creates an image in the audience's head about this policy that he's looking to demonize he does this because that's easier than it would be to look over data and come up with an argument against the policy as it exists if you can just paint a dramatic overly emotionally charged picture in your audience's head you don't have to do the work of making an actual point yeah yeah that'd be like uh i remember whenever they took away three three a day practices when i was in high school doing football and i and people were all like oh no you're making the kids soft and all of that stuff and uh

yeah that was probably the best decision to to take that away but this would be like if alex got on and he was like yeah they said you only have to do two and this coach he went ahead and did three anyways so they fucking killed him they just killed him they murdered him on this spot they're not even following the laws anymore they just murdered the coach on the field honestly my problem is the lack of due process exactly it's due process yeah so also by framing the issue that alex is discussing like this he can sidestep the uncomfortable reality that this kind of program disproportionately victimizes students without means if you skip school and you're fine for it and you can't pay the fine what happens then a 2015 article on buzzfeed discussed the case of an

11th grader in texas who couldn't pay and was quote offered jail credit at a rate of $300 per day this is an incredibly flawed system and the conversation about it is done at disservice by having alex try to grandstand about imaginary kindergartners thankfully there are other adults discussing these sorts of issues in terms of reality and adjustments were made no thanks to alex's idiotic fake advocacy yeah yeah like it's such a huge issue too when you consider the school to prison pipeline and how so many things are meant to criminalize children at an early enough age so you can just keep them criminals forever and use them as fuel for the capitalist mill but alex clearly one only cares about white kids so there's a problem there sure and two is just

he's not dealing with any of the larger problem he's just like ah they they're criminalizing kindergartners yeah i think that this has an interesting intersection of that school to prison pipeline idea which is definitely real and and an issue totally and also misguided but well-intentioned ideas yes because i do think that some people who may not be trying to criminalize children sure think they're like okay if you're in high school and you skip school and you get a fine maybe you'll be less likely to skip high school sure you know encouraging the right behavior the wrong way yeah i think that there is an element of that but even so no matter what no matter where a more of the weight lies yeah whatever alex is doing is pointless yeah and it doesn't help solve

any of the yeah yeah no and you can totally imagine like i can get inside the mind of the person who offered the kid like oh so so we'll give you credit for doing jail and that person was probably thinking they were a genius like see you can't afford to pay it you just do some jail i'm helping you out instead of somebody who should have been slapped in the face the moment they had that thought yeah it's you know yeah the moment you're like hey how about do some time in jail instead of paying me the money that doesn't make any sense for you to pay me in the first place yeah reading that kind of stuff it doesn't make a lot of sense why you would continue down this road of this policy yeah um yeah anyway alex mentioned a guy named chris there and he's a guy named chris clicka

who's a lawyer for an organization that is a staunchly conservative christian organization that is all about homeschool that's terrible that's terrible because i would listen to mc chris clicka instantly i would listen to his mixtape he would not he drops that oh man here's what most of his songs are about okay those who oppose us those who are anti-parent and uh the pro child forces and i don't mean that in a positive way they're they're trying to um uh take our children through whatever means they well let's face it there's also a big move to take people's children to give it to uh homosexuals oh yeah oh boy oh yeah okay oh boy so yeah this is this is the way this manifested in 2003 yeah that's not as good of uh a mixtape as i was hoping no no no that was not uh the coloring

book that was there yeah so apparently uh this uh a lot of this stuff with the schools and the truancy and the punishment and the that gets the social services involved in all this and part of the is that there's a major push to take your kids and give them to homosexuals sure sure the homosexual agenda is running amok in 2003 because that is where the edge uh that the conservative panic is playing yep yep these people are silly children they it's so weird to go back into the past and listen to these people and think you're still allowed to talk aren't you people still listen to you you listen to that and you're like really we're doing that back then yeah and you're still around it's pretty wild how and it's just the conservative edge grift mill is just so

endless yep and it's the same shit yep it's the same it's the same shit with just slightly different yeah window dressing put put different little ingredients into the same stew yep shit so if you go to the hospital and you're going to give birth sure these social service people i'm going to take the yeah no i'm going to seal those kids and i'm going to give them to homosexuals i believe they're very very least going to take the kids yeah well yeah this is worse than the Soviet Union oh yeah you go and you have what's how it already is here they're stalking the hospitals they got plants in there they get a cut and the people look ignorant man their kids are gone that's right i mean if you look ignorant man it's oh they walk in and go please sign here well what are you doing

just work with us everything will be all right you sign it they grab your kid and go i mean literally i don't know and alex does not expound on what it means to look ignorant uh yeah i think we i don't know i honestly don't know what he means it it does not mix true that's true it really doesn't make any sense nope nope i just don't you know people listen to that and they don't hear people who are whining like crazy people like this is insane like do you know what's going on now i went to the dmv to re-up my license and instead of giving me a new license they shit in my mouth they shit directly into my mouth literally the lid you know they put me down they held me down they had me on a gurney and somebody shit directly into my mouth i have documents from i was they were on

a ladder and it was it dropped for a while i have a notarized witnesses signature what are you talking about right now you sound ridiculous yeah your children yeah yeah it's it's pretty wild um and when you talk about that it gets into like okay well obviously alex nowadays would call them the devil yeah yeah that's what he would do nowadays yep but in 2003 people who mix that stuff up oh they're they're that's the poison pill it's too far that's how you make the patriots and all this look bad yeah so a caller calls in and wants to talk about the social service workers and he thinks that they are demons okay okay here we go now here is alex's response all right when people uh hear statements that these people are diabolic they are of the devil just listening

to you talk about uh the guidelines uh when you went through your training proves that it they they're your first three guidelines were totally unscriptural anti-scriptural it goes against the creator and our instructions for life and they are of the devil and alex you're right on the money with that these people are uh i'm gonna be honest i've covered them been around them and uh you know this is a news program but when you were around them they really are demonic i mean i'm gonna be i mean these are at least what i've seen these are degenerate scum that's all i can say about them that's kind of measured yeah they're demonic that's an adjective this is a news show isn't that interesting i too appreciate that he's trying to walk a line yeah he knows he knows

that like i can't fucking present myself as a guy who's saying that my enemies politically are devils yeah i won't be taken seriously i won't be taken seriously yeah i have some pretense of wanting to be respected yeah oh man i think i might be able to get a show on an actual network at some point yeah that is that is interesting and and i mean what's kind of interesting about it is that at the time i think he's right you couldn't be out and out the demons are coming to kill us all yeah probably not and people wouldn't take you seriously well i think alex certainly didn't have a big enough career right he wasn't a big enough star to be able to absorb whatever blow might come from that right and then i would say probably right around what like the tea party

movement whenever they swept in 2010 that's really when it all was like started a change where you could just talk about demons all all you want well i mean what what is that hunter s thompson quote when the going gets weird the weird turn pro turn pro you got it when the normal is the tea party on the right you know whatever you are as alex jones gotta go weirder gotta escalate a little bit yep um yeah i i don't know i obviously don't know for sure if that is when sort of more overt conversation about demons and shit happen yeah because i don't think it did i think it was later i think so i i i think that we did not see nearly as much these people are the fucking devil when we were looking at 2015 that's true that is true so i think i think it might be more

recent than that yeah um but i find i find this glimpse at 2003 really really interesting and this next clip i think alex has to stop himself interesting from saying that these people are demons okay and this clip would not stick out to me at all if i didn't know what he does now so so what you're telling me is that like a demon trying to get out he wants to call these people demons okay just to just putting that out there and so imagine being at the hospital you've already got your four other kids with with family and friends you're there your babies are hanging on for life and and and and and and and literal i'm sorry the creatures show up and are cornering you with their bdi's what parent frankly what parent wouldn't probably flip out at that point doesn't

that sound literal demons he was about to say literal demons he was he was about to say literal demons i'm screaming at you through the future you i think you were there the whole time doesn't that sound almost like someone had told him dude don't fucking say that you're fighting the devil we need like ted anderson told him there's no way we're going to be able to sell gold with you yelling about the literal devil because he said sorry he said literal long pause sorry creatures creatures yep wild and see this is this is a piece of evidence circumstantial obviously yes not definitive but it works towards answering the question that i've had for a while which is is alex's i'm fighting the devil thing a new thing right or is it something that was there

underneath all along and he was pretending that that wasn't what he believed and i kind of think that this looks like it's not smoking gun but i'll be god damned if it doesn't really sound like you're on the right track gum shoe it feels it feels like that is at least a minor indication that alex has this idea that his enemies are literal demons yeah and he was covering that belief up for the sake of appearing respectable yeah yeah and i'm interested to see if there's any more flickers of that indications but that made me that laugh really hard perks your ears up yeah isn't it interesting too that like that clip would not be at all it wouldn't sound off any alarms unless you knew that 18 years later yeah i got screaming about literal demons

everywhere all the time all the time yeah that's so ridiculous yeah i'm oh that's annoying i don't i don't like that he's a liar i'm mad at him in the past for lying to me dan you should be upfront if you think your enemies are literal demons you should tell me yeah up front yeah i think it would be more responsible to the audience yeah because i think don't you don't you don't you tell me that you're hiding that there are literal demons everywhere because you're supposed to be the truth teller right on your own show yeah and you're pulling back whenever you know that literal demons are killing everybody don't trojan horse the literal demons at the talk of like the federal reserve and all this stuff that's not fair to the audience totally anyway yeah alex is a guy who's

against the iraq war totally totally against the iraq war but seems weirdly fine with the idea of deposing Saddam Hussein in this next clip i mean you gotta i tell you what i just i just i can't believe it i can't believe people yeah we had operation iraqi freedom okay great Saddam's a thug great can't we have operation american freedom that's right yeah why not you know bush wanted to turn all this around he wanted but he didn't he put more funding into the department of education all these other groups and i can't we we have the conservative the real conservative backbone to do it how christ do we force the republicans that control everything now to finally get rid of abortion to finally just act these social workers how do we do it so apparently

we want operation american freedom right in the mold of operation iraqi freedom exactly and that involves getting rid of social workers right abortion there we go okay we did it yeah that is a a complex series of steps you need to get to those three things being related to each other at all yep oh i don't like it no i don't like it i don't like these callers i don't like this guest no uh no i think these people are literal demons damn oh no no i've been hiding that belief this whole time um so this caller uh has some uh bad things to say sure i'll just say bad sure sure sitting here listening to you alex you asked him a few other questions he answered for me um one aspect about this demonic side of it uh one place in the scripture where messiah got

very angry and that was when uh with children he said you suffer these children to come to me for such as the kingdom of heaven and these people are not letting them come to him they're like doing what alex said they're learning uh islam and all kinds of the multi-cultural crap it's called math where you at in uh virginia chris i'm in virginia weird weird question that's a very strange thing that's a very strange thing hey hey where are you by the way um yeah i think that this is a bit uh more anti muslim than i expected it to be yeah because i think the presentation that alex has is very much like you know i had no problem with uh islam or anything like and i think i got the sense that his his uh anti islam stuff kind of escalated yeah and and

to be fair you know that's coming from his caller uh but yeah yeah that doesn't surprise me i'm i would be islam in the schools saying that islam is just multi-cultural crap yeah like it's what the fuck is this freedom fries just yeah whatever you want just just fucking shut up yeah so this caller wants to know where in virginia chris's organization is and they alex has to stop now i'll tell you they told my son to find the square root of something roots are in the backyard my friend that's devil worship that's what i'm telling you right now let's go find the square root of aga uh get digging why don't you go find a switch um so yeah uh they they chat about where they are in virginia and alex has to be like guys we're doing a show what are we doing doing a show why did

you ask him where it was so unfortunately they end up uh stopping that very pleasant conversation it does sound nice to take another call that might have been a mistake oh very good guess you got on there today i uh i wanted to ask him a couple of questions because i know that there is uh that the uh when we when when an american becomes a 14th amendment citizen our status of law changes because we are no longer sovereign free men and have exercise sovereignty are talking about privileges instead of rights and uh you know we have about a minute left what's your other question well i wanted to ask him how he approaches uh the legal defense standpoint uh from you know from that particular and he got asked this question a year ago on this show

and he said from a constitutional perspective correct that's right that does not answer the question no no it seems like uh there's a fair amount of sovereign citizen callers at this point alex's career it is it is funny because it seems like he also really doesn't like them the well i think he recognizes how silly a lot of the arguments are and how they make it look bad what he's doing and at the same time he's making a show that is essentially catering directly to sovereign citizens yep yeah there's a lot of yeah and actually there i didn't have any clips of this because it was just too all over the place but a good maybe half hour of this episode is dedicated to alex arguing with a caller about the republic of texas sure there's this idea that like texas

should secede and he's like yeah i tried to support all that stuff but everybody kept declaring themselves the president it's really funny but at the same time there was no way to cut clips in a way that would make it work it's so funny it's so all right fine i could just declare myself a president baby i'm a general i don't know who to get in touch with it's and he keeps calling them fruit cakes i he call he uses the term fruit cakes to describe the republic of texas people like maybe five or six times yeah very specific wording yeah made me think uh maybe he has a personal beef with somebody it's it is it's kind of funny it's it's a little

bit like somebody like starting a roller rink and then like just hating people who roller skate yeah or like hating hating people who use like uh inline skates yeah yeah yeah this is a four get the fuck off of this yes yeah yeah the law says i have to let you skate okay this is america not according to the magna card what so chris chris leaves he was not that much of an interesting guest just kind of like a very reactionary right against social workers pro homeschooling did not drop a mixtape did not yeah warned everyone about the homosexuals coming to take your children sure sure very different cool so alex gets to some headlines and this one is a load of shit we're back live we're going into a world where you're a good decent person you're an enemy of

the state because you're not you're not a criminal they can't trust you you might fight what they're doing you might fight the world they're setting up that's right that's what happens when the evil are in control government lawyers say burglars need protection this is one independent by robert vert kark legal affairs corresponded government lawyers trying to keep the norfolk farmer tony mark behind bars will tell a high court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who must be protected from violent householders so alex is misrepresenting this case that he's covering to make it appear that the system is now just out to protect criminals and punish the good people which is code for white christians hey if people aren't committing crimes you can't trust

them so this is an article about tony martin a man from the uk who shot at two young men who were breaking into his house which resulted in the death of one of them the issue here isn't that tony was wrong to practice self-defense it's that the court didn't believe that he was acting in self-defense in the shooting the incident happened in 1999 at which point martin did not have a license for the shotgun he used in the shooting problem number one he'd lost it five years prior when he supposedly found a man stealing apples from his orchard and proceeded to shoot at him leaving a hole in the man's vehicle hey uh point of order you you know um added to this was martin's very publicly known hatred of the romani people uh which was referenced in a guardian article from

2000 quote apart from thieves martin's pet hate was gypsies nor which crown court heard that the farmer had talked of putting gypsies in the middle of a field surrounding it with barbed wire and machine gunning them the article goes on to say that martin had said quote hitler was right about these people and also points out that martin's uncle andrew fontain was one of the founders of the straight-up fascist national front right right right so he was a nazi the prosecution the problem here the prosecution successfully argued that the shooting was not an act of self-defense but that martin had laid in wait and shot these intruders without first giving a warning this wasn't the sort of case that alex is portraying it to be where the burglar is

hurt by someone practicing legitimate self-defense and then sues the homeowner for it it's a clearly unhinged lunatic with the history of shooting at people with a clearly racist past using deadly force against intruders to his home would not present a mortal danger to him and according to the british courts that uh was not an acceptable use of self-defense yeah i'm gonna go with yeah yeah so i don't know i alex tries to play this game where it's like yeah you know if someone breaks into your house and they slip on a banana peel they can sue you or something like no they can't no no they really really can't you have to kind of go way out of your way to be the one who's convicted of a crime in that scenario and that's what this guy did

yeah if someone is like presenting a danger to you you do have the right to self-defense sure if someone does not and they're in your house you have to tell them to leave before you shoot them dead i would try i would i would open with excuse me that would be yeah so alex has some very interesting similar problems in his life in 2003 as he does in the present sure one is that uh boy these calls just don't work out the difference though is in 2003 alex could handle it sure with grace yeah uh let's just go ahead and uh talk to let's go ahead and talk to i guess mike in illinois and then oh tem in texas is next okay well you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna talk to mike in illinois uh mike in illinois are you

there okay he's not there who did you want me to go to tem in texas all righty you're on the air tem i like how you do it pretty good i quit wow wow that is such a normal that's a breath of fresh air just being like oh this is a minor setback and we're off to the next one i quit not a big deal we're just going to be broadcasting this is annoying but hey everybody bear with me yeah that's the vibe that i got there everybody bear with me as opposed to we're doing a live radio show you've all failed me yeah we're doing a live radio show sometimes there's a little bit of a hiccup this happens yeah that's normal that's called professionalism alex present a not normal no no no no no no so uh you know there was that talk with the uh texas folks about uh how they're all weirdos and

everyone's the president now it's a sure yeah um but everybody can secede if they want sure alex is very pro secession naturally 2003 yeah uh indiana you know has the right to secede it's not just texas or hawaii texas and hawaii have stronger cases because uh from the beginning they never signed the contracts but but but still sir it's a civil war question they will send federal troops in they will lay seas they will burn cities and the average person people were a hundred times were educated about real politics and liberty in the 1860s and they are now that's correct in the 1860s the confederacy was full of new world order moles was designed to lose from the beginning responded by the british the country up both sides were controlled in that that's true so apparently

the uh the the the the confederacy was full of globalists i i do i do like how people who study the civil war so obsessively uh change their story all the time quite quite frequently usually when you study something you refine it and the story becomes clearer and the picture is easier to understand and you have a full awareness of what's going on new world order moles whereas it seems as though their study of the civil war involves just rewriting it to whatever it is you want it to be at any given point in time even if it's the if it's the same day what if it's like you what if you find something that sounds more fun how can you be global how can you be confederate royalty if your royalty is just infiltrated by new world order globalists but it's not like everybody

was new world order and how is it possible for everyone to be just so well informed when the national rate of reading is like 10 percent listen it was the new world order was running the confederacy oh okay fair enough uh look dude false flag civil war that's pretty much what he said yes he said it was a false flag civil war everything is fake nothing is real except alex's conviction to the truth yes yes yeah yep yep yep yep wow oh boy confederate false flag civil war yeah should have seen it coming i should have so there's a commercial for the genesis communications network sure and i think that this i just wanted to play this a little bit of it because it sounds really weird is mainstream media telling you everything you should know about the war on terror

what is our real interest in iraq and sudan who's saying who stands to gain if we give up our freedoms in the name of national security who's behind the manipulation of our financial markets and why we're the jury you be the judge we're the gcn radio network are you tired of being lied to by mainstream media well so are we and we're doing something about it we're the jury you're the judge uh what does that mean we've already decided and you have to pass the sentencing who's the executioner uh double back to we again also the jury doesn't talk aren't you like the prosecution this metaphor sucks uh your honor the jury has something to say and they say no no the jury does not the audience is the jury you do not get to be the jury we're the attorneys you're the jury

somebody on the jury just stands up hey i think i can do a better job of this lawyer and shit get this prosecutor out of here somebody wrote that because like judge jury and executioner is an expression it's like this sounds pretty good yeah i didn't think about it for even one second no amazing uh good job gcn ted probably wrote that so alex comes back and he's got a b in his bonnet um because there's a holiday that bush right uh george w the evil one yeah he's he's got this holiday well i mean they're both evil he's got this holiday the whole family's dude honest it's not about them it's about this holiday it's about the holiday close into this one neo colonialism is the new world order and they're coming right out with us in mainstream news

oh don't worry the white house is going to have loyalty day loyalty to the government day to be celebrated in all the schools and nationwide that's terrifying and it says our children will be taught that the nation is a force for good in the world extending hope and freedom to others being part of the imperial army to grab all natural resources and enslave everyone's children sure loyalty day folks and the person that sent me this email and i went to the white house and got the actual article that written by the white house it said when do i get my black boots and dagger you know like a nazi side right right right right well it sounds real good loyalty learning that we're this this good force in the world now loyalty to the government so two things that

jumped out at me there like the first is that in 2003 alex is clearly fully aware of the colonial exploitation that is part of our country's history that he completely denies uh in the present and the second thing i was thinking is like man he would be totally fine with a holiday called loyalty day if it was like a nationalist extreme right wing government everyone had to be loyal yeah yeah on loyalty day we have a big military parade oh i love loyalty days my favorite day there's bombs yeah if it was his thing what a what a fucked up thing to have a loyalty day do you know how that's so fucked up it would be like if every morning kids had to go to school and recite some sort of uh yeah every morning that would be so fucked up i'd be very weird yeah loyalty day is

just one yeah also i would be remiss if i didn't point out that loyalty day is a holiday that's existed since 1921 and it was an attempt to replace the communist leaning mayday or as it's also known international workers day that holiday marks the day to the hay market riot which was something that the american government in the early 1900s was eager to not glorify we don't want to talk about workers uniting we are still mad there's a weekend um so yeah they didn't want to endorse workers rights which of course was communism and so there was this idea of loyalty day coming in on may 1st to take over for mayday yep the holiday itself didn't catch on until 1955 during the cold war red scare when eisenhower made it an official holiday in the united states

and every president since 1958 has recognized and proclaimed the holiday see if you can guess who said this quote now therefore i donald j trump president of the united states of america do here by proclaim may 1st 2017 as a loyalty day this loyalty day i call on all americans to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies in our schools and other public places including the recitation of the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the united states of america i also call upon all government officials to display the flag of the united states on all government buildings and grounds on that day who said it uh i gotta go with clinton ooh so close trump oh is trump shit oh every time yeah i thought you were trying to trick me nope it was not a trick so the very

ideology that created alex jones is the same ideology that created the idea of a holiday called loyalty day to express loyalty to the united states in the face of a communist menace exactly alex understands so little about the hysteria and insanity that created his political identity that here he is rambling about the direct result of his ideological forefathers and pretending it's some kind of an evil event that bush wanted to create he's much more palatable and seems happier in 2003 and he doesn't freak out when he can't get to a caller but he's still a total idiot yeah it's almost as if conservative reactionary ideology is essentially an aura boros that creates an outrage and then later on gets outraged when their outrage created a thing

for them to get outraged about yeah and as i understand in 2017 there was like some people who are you know like trump is creating loyalty day because it is a fucked up holiday it probably shouldn't exist fucked up holiday the pledge of allegiance exists but if you trick yourself into thinking that this is the first one ever or whatever sure or you present it that way then you deprive all the context of it yeah and you're just using it as a as a prop yeah and it's it also seems almost a little insulting i think to to imagine that in whatever year it is that was the first year they thought of loyalty day listen we've had plenty of fascists run in america for a long time they've thought of loyalty day every time workers tried to unite they were like okay

here's what we got to do pledge loyalty the to the 120 hour work week like that's what they were doing yeah it's the it's the byproduct of anti-communist freak out yeah and so is alex yeah exactly yeah so stupid yep so one of the other differences that i found when i was looking at this episode between present day alex and back then is he seems like to understand that movies aren't real at least a little bit interesting folks we're in the twilight zone somebody listen to me it's it's like it's like in the 1950s version of the body snatchers you know where the doctor goes to town they take it over he busts out he's running he's in traffic up the highway wake up there after you there we're in danger somebody listen to us

oh it's so scary it's like that yes yes it's similar to this it is media reference the plan and they were not telling it to you by releasing that movie yeah yeah it's uh that's just a corollary yeah there's a disconnect between this idea that's represented in media and reality right then merging together in some weird uh to use an alex jones word gestalt yeah yeah it's nice to hear people know the difference between movies and realities it's comforting yeah at least because when i listen to this i can be like all right we all agree that we breathe air yeah we all agree that's there the time moves in a certain basis yes entropy is real yeah okay and that's comforting because i don't feel that in the present i definitely

don't it is it is a real bummer going into the past and finding things that are more positive than the present because you're like you want to live in a place where hope exists but when we do this we're like man isn't that nice and then you remember where it goes and you're like oh it could happen it could happen to you it could happen to all of us at any point in time you could just forget how movies work yeah that is that is a little bit scary it's it's humbling you know there but for the grace of uh literal demons go high we should all be careful to not hide uh that we secretly think that we're fighting demons if you think you are fighting demons tell someone yes you try to keep it a secret for too long you're trying to alex turn

it alex in the present yeah we've got a perfect example oh boy you are what you pretend to be gonna figure out a way to make an infomercial out of that lesson not sure or not an infomercial look out sure what am i thinking of uh psa that's it yeah psa yep so alex believes that the us is evil sure but he loves the united states there is a problem there and i was listening to this next clip and i just got confused this is a such an evil evil country i love this country but when you really face how bad things have gotten and how there's this icky facade everything's good mom and apple pod patriotism it's not real it's as fake as those plastic chinese flags it's as fake as the boxes that said made in usa and st louis when bush gave that speech with the made in china

taped over it is a rotten facade under it is maggots and rotten meat a stench of this thing it's just everywhere it's freaking me out we gotta warn people we gotta stand up for america we gotta fight for this country i just love this country so much i love my family so much and i can't believe we let it get to this when alex fake cries in 2003 he's doing a clinton impression i was like is that phil hartman doing clinton yeah is that a wonderful i really heard phil hartman there yeah when he's faking emotion he sounds like a bad clinton now bill i think that you're doing a great job yeah we gotta warn people yeah it's ridiculous it's so silly so i thought that was weird and i thought that was like a completely artificial presentation of uh emotion

and sincerity totally but i started to think like okay so there's some there's some patriotism and apple pie and all this is is a facade yeah and underneath it is just rotting maggots and what have you sure what do you love then like what do you think he loves it's right there in the title but if he's saying that like this country's evil right right but he loves it right but it's a rotten thing with a like a fake lid on it yeah isn't he is he just saying i love the lid yeah he likes the lid make that why not make the whole plane out of the black box stan what are you what are you not understand i don't fully understand what it is that like he's hoping hoping to save if it's rotting underneath with a fake uh top it seems like yeah you'd expose the you take the lid off and

you'd realize uh oh yeah maybe we should go i don't need i don't need what's in this rotting that seems weird i don't i don't feel fully that i understand yeah yet from listening to this like what it is that's like what is what isn't rotten totally to be saved right i would guess that it's guns sure property rights loyalty to your country no absolutely not yet yeah uh hating schools sure sure sure uh whites only yeah i don't have a full grasp of like alex's entire policy set in 2003 yet like i think i understand a lot of stuff through the prism of like listening to thousands of hours of his other content but like there there's going to be some stuff that's going to be surprising and i don't want to make too many assumptions yeah you know i was i was listening to that clip

and thinking about all the stories of people who listen to him at this time period and were were kind of drawn in by that and i was thinking about my understanding of politics at that time like as the iraq war is going on it totally felt like i was the first person to discover how evil america was totally it was like i had been told all of this stuff all the way up until i'm 16 years old and then the iraq war happens and they're like maybe you should read what real history is and not your school stuff and then i it really did feel like oh man but this is before red pilling became the meme that it was but it did feel like that and then you listen to alex go like this is a rotting thing and you can you can really get that sense of like yeah that's how i feel yeah i

don't have sophisticated political opinions yet i just know that this is some bullshit yeah yeah you know on a on a pretty surface level there's a presentation that is almost perfect yes for exploiting disillusionment yes um and and that is definitely a period where there's a lot of people who are feeling alienated and disillusioned from uh what they had the world as they had been brought up to understand it totally and i think that you and i though were a few years apart were both you know a certain men of a certain age when the iraq war sure sure we were not wild hogs yet we're a youth yes and and that's a that's a period where people are generally they go through a period of disillusionment of course of course and and to have that compounded by something as something

that should disillusion you and the iraq war yeah yeah yeah it's it's it's something where you know those feelings that you're having you could see them mirrored in something like alex talking about the the rotten core uh in the facade over it yeah you could you could see that and you could gravitate towards that yeah and it's interesting to think about how much goes along with it that you might not realize that you're also accepting yeah of course like that homosexuals want to take your children of course absolutely yeah yeah because you maybe that's how liberals got tricked thinking he wasn't totally i mean you're driving you you're listening to this you're you're on a 20 minute drive right you pop on info wars because you're like um disillusioned and this guy's pretty

funny and and you only get 20 minutes where he's doing the anti iraq war stuff and you don't listen to the half hour he does with uh the gays are coming to steal your children you know and you're like or arguing about the republic yeah exactly like you you could totally be sucked into that and and it's it's much more believable um like as like the the notion of like him having a large audience if you listen to it in the presence like yeah what in god's name yeah it's much more believable when you look back at this totally not petulantly having outbursts all the time right the presentation of emotion is generally within like where he would want it to be to make a point yes yeah and he's still got that dynamic range of like he can get it up there high and he can

but it's it's not out of control yeah yeah although it is silly that when he's feigning sincerity he sounds like clinton that is a little bit weird i don't know yeah that was that was very strange yeah so um you know the civil war was a false flag uh we we learned this yeah um and it also it turns out that uh you know in grocery stores they're putting in these self-checkout lines sure sure that's how they steal your children right well eventually okay but first they're going to transition these self-checkout lanes into fingerprint scanners where you're gonna have to have some sort of a mark of the beast or whatever in order by groceries we're never not going to do mark of the beast i want to be done with mark of the beast can't we do about i'm telling you we just

got to be done with it they're gonna do this biometric scanning stuff um at the grocery store and then you're gonna have some sort of a christian who's gonna go bomb sure biometric scanning sure naturally it will be a false flag right right this is pre-sidging our uh people are going to bomb five g towers and it's going to be a false flag yep yeah this is not inevitable but you have to lead the charge you have to go boycott a gb and kroger and safe away when they put thumb scanners in or self-checkout lanes because they put in the self-checkout lane first then they tear out all the lanes and make you thumb scan it's already happening home depot already starting we're still doing self-checkers and about six months later they put in the thumb

scanner and they get rid of all the employees make you do your own bagging but that's a sub reason why we're against it what really against this because of the taxation the control the tracking if you go when you protest and you fight it now we can stop it you wait till it goes in everywhere folks then it's then the government's gonna blow stuff up and claim there's a christian right wing group it's against the biometrics and so if you're protesting it you must be really with this group that's gonna be the plan there i have to give them ideas but they already have the idea i can tell what they're going that's what they're gonna do uh you're against pro uh uh pro abortion stuff it turned out the feds have done all the bombings it's always the government i think was one guy

actually did some that admitted he did it and we don't know if he's mind control or not oh okay okay we're we're talking about uh sure i don't know what abortion could be anybody alex is talking about there but like yeah okay so all all the abortion clinic attacks that have happened it's all the feds except for that one guy and we don't know if he's mind we don't even know if he's mind controlled so it could still be the feds that one's on the feds oh boy that's as close as i get to admitting that it could possibly not be a false flag everything that was on the foot everything's fucking fake that's that's the thing that i find really exhausting about this uh this glimpse into 2003 is like everybody is a fucking communist and everything

is fake yeah he's talking about like all kinds of folks like uh uh joe scarborough is an ultra communist well that's that's turned out to be a a prophetic prediction there who's the other person that he labeled a communist on this episode fuck i can't remember it was another it was another right wing guy i can't get over the pettiness of like look oh no he was chris matthews chris matthews well but he's an ultra communist obviously no i just love the like they're putting finger scanners in there they're gonna do all this shit second problem i don't want to do my own bagging side issue that's a side issue i'm putting that in there and no it seems petty right now compared to the fingerprint scanner that is not the patriot's main complaint they are it is it is a

complaint we do not want to bag our own groceries it's inconvenient i always put the eggs in first always would have been i love lose i only ever get 10 eggs i've never been trained on how to bag things these people have training um yeah silly also great prediction uh that they put in the self-checkout stuff and then the next thing is a thumb scanner i don't think that i've ever scanned my thumb at the grocery store i've never scanned my thumb at a grocery store i would i would almost prefer it to scanning a credit card eight years eight years on self-checkout uh pretty ubiquitous yeah thumb scanning not even really in the conversation i don't think in terms of nobody you know most people's problem with uh self-checkout line isn't doing your own bagging it's when you

get stuck behind somebody who shouldn't be using the self-checkout when they have too many items well not just that whenever they're clearly uh not bagging material if you will wow yeah um i don't have many complaints about self-checkout i kind of take everything in stride sure you do so yeah everything's false flag uh there's gonna be christian groups that are gonna bomb biometric places and it's gonna be all fake all of these predictions have been fantastic yeah alex jones is constantly right about everything i'm gonna be real mad if the when we do start getting those biometric chips because we there are there are biometric things and little augments that you can have you can put little electromagnets in your fingers and stuff like that yes sooner or later

we're going to have an implantable chip of some sort and some there are some that are available now i know but like one that will be uh that final that like ipod moment right of an implantable chip you know where all the sudden this thing didn't exist and then it's everywhere and it should be called the mark of the beast i think it's possible that that that technology will go along that line but it's equally possible that it doesn't i don't know i don't know i i don't know if there will be an ipod moment like that i don't know but it better be called the mark of the beast we got soylent that's real yeah and we don't talk about soylent start uh i don't know we got to find out he became real so why not the mark of the beast you gotta find that episode of alex's

show he's gotta be furious about that yeah that'd be fun definitely okay the next thing you know this guy is gonna be starting a business where he uh has a robot trash trucks go get the bodies any moment now they're gonna have implantable chips and it's gonna be called the mark of the beast listen yeah i've been taking the piss out of alex a little bit on this episode really just sort of mocking yeah some of this is stupid it is but you have to recognize alex jones is a hero and in this last clip we learn about something that maybe isn't in the history books but it should be alex saved a lot of lives you laugh you laugh okay okay where do we where do we save where do we save all these lives did he gotta stand up for this country and you gotta do it now they're trying

to pass hate crimes legislation but it's just like the smallpox shut the truth was out on that grassroots the people refused and now the government launching a smallpox attack which they were planning to do guaranteed has been stalled they didn't do it alex stopped a smallpox attack by publicizing information about smallpox attacks uh he stopped it you could i mean look he said it obviously it's true he saved so many lives i do you mock look you sit here and you laugh at a hero who i do see some of the benefits of having a narcissistic personality disorder in that you can't invent your own crisis is to become the hero of hey it's amazing that is nice i i've never felt like a hero well quite in the way of saving millions of people from the small

time maybe you should pretend that you stop the smallpox attack i really think that would probably make me feel better yeah i mean if you're doing a cost or like a pro con kind of analysis of your career sure in the pros or things like that yeah i'm a hero yeah i'm a hero i i've saved the world ten times over yeah no matter no matter how many things you've bungled it's kind of easy to convince yourself it's a net plot positive yes you have fake it's all worth it because i saved the world from a smallpox attack yeah i love that kind of stuff that's nice yeah so this was this was a little bit of a fun uh trip uh 2003 in order to you know get our toes back in the water for uh for uh what will probably be an unpleasant present day episode on friday certainly disgusting nonsense spouted

by a monster not looking forward to it yeah but it will happen it's gonna now i think if i had to sum this up like the reason that i thought that this episode was like really key sure it's that moment where alex says literal sorry yeah yeah when he stops himself from saying literal demons it's so important it's right there yeah it is if we can demonstrate if we can find more instances of alex stopping himself from talking about the literal devil in the past i'm i'm gonna i'm my mind's gonna be blown so you're saying that you're gonna be the jury and i'll be the judge and then the audience will be the execute executioners i don't know i don't know how this works we will uh we'll be court reporters okay and the audience could be an audience how about that

can i uh can i be the stenographer i want to play with one of those ticket you can't you can't type fast oh come on um so yeah we'll be back on friday uh with another a episode but until then jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com where's on twitter we are on twitter set now just right go to bed jordan facebook we are this way itunes if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people do a god's work right now yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i'm darryl rondis i invented liberty day andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you