Knowledge Fight - #552: May 6, 2003

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan continue to look deep in the past to try to figure out if Alex Jones thought he was fighting the literal devil for his entire career. In this installment, the left-right paradigm is transcended, microchips are okay for Special Forces, and the Republic of Texas continues to be annoying.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight, then endure knowledge fight, I need money, Andy and Kansas, stop it, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray, Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding, so Alex, I'm a Christian color, I'm a huge fan, I love your work, knowledge fight, no, knowledge fight dot com, I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes, like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about

Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. What's up? I have a quick question for you. Yeah, what's up? What's happening?

What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today is stay in humble. Hashtag, stay in humble. Oh boy. Oh boy. Look, I don't know a whole lot about classic rock. Sure. And apparently I really stepped in it.

I thought I had said that that's so I'm playing with fire. There's many people, many people have pointed that out. I'll tell you what, a lot of backlash whenever you mistake something about music and hey, you know what? That's on me. I don't know a whole lot. My parents were pretty restrictive with music growing up. That's true.

As I've brought up in the past with my first album that I ever bought was Alanis Morissette's Shagged Little Pill. True, delicious. And my mom made me return it because it was a bad influence. Yes. Probably everything by the Rolling Stones was a mysterious thing to me. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I discovered some Beatles songs from Beatles rock band.

I was going to say that's the kind of level of naivete I have about that stuff. If Alanis Morissette is a step too far, then I would imagine that the Rolling Stones earlier work is off limits. Yeah. My dad might be like fucking around with like Pete Seeger. Sure. That's where we're at. You know, I've always, I've always put your dad in the secret prog rock genre of just

like somebody who when no one's around is like time to listen to. Yes. I'm going to get in my favorite chair Dan. Okay. Well, yeah, we'll have to talk about that. Sure. Sure. I think if I recall his first concert was Blood, Sweat and Tears.

Okay. Okay. He did like Chicago and there was a time, but I think it was because he, I don't know, was he in the marching band. I can't remember. Anyway, yes, my point is, I'm sorry to everybody who I disappointed by my. Non knowledge of songs. It's okay.

It's okay. I will stand by my position that I don't like the doors. You know, I actually went back and listened and at no point did you claim the song was the doors. It could very easily have been a completely disconnected. I was thinking about trying to play that game, but then in the sake of sincerity. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Being above board. I have to admit that I did fuck that up. Yes. Anyway, Jordan. I have a, I have a simultaneous bright spot in dark. So Dan, we had a lovely time. We got together and we watched Mortal Kombat.

Fantastic time. And I have decided that it is the worst movie ever made. I don't think it's the worst movie ever made, but I was disappointed as hell. No, not because of the movie itself, but in, and I, this is how I'm thinking of it. All right. Godzilla versus Kong. Have you know what I got? I got Godzilla versus Kong.

Right in the name. Right. There it was. It promised and it delivered. And when I hear Mortal Kombat, I want a goddamn tournament, Dan. This was what I was screaming most of the movie. Most of the movie. Where is this goddamn tournament?

Yeah. And spoiler alert for Mortal Kombat. There's no tournament. It's not a spoiler. It is a warning. Yeah. And the thing that really bothers me is like, okay, I get it. Some of these movies are such that like, maybe the tournament will be in the third

movie or whatever. Yeah. I think that's cheap. It's terrible. But whatever. Yeah. It's not fair that this movie opens up making a big deal about how the fate of Earth depends on this tournament.

On the tournament? There is no tournament. Then there's no tournament. Infuriating. Infuriating. We are going to lose that sponsorship money, man. We are. I don't think we're going to keep it.

I don't think we're going to keep it. The next MK12 video game will not be announced through us. It was still fun though. You know, like I like the idea of getting overly excited for no reason, almost as a bit about a movie coming out. It was great. And it was fun to do that and to watch a movie like that was new. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's been a very long time. We haven't watched a movie together in a long time. And it's been forever. And you were, this was your idea. You were like, we're watching Mortal Kombat. Not only my idea.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. It was great. It was a great time. Sure. Yeah. It's not a terrible movie. It's the worst movie ever made.

Oh boy. Okay. So Jordan, today we're back in the past. Okay. As promised. Good. We are in 2003 continuing our march through that time so you can learn. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I realized as I was listening to this, that one of the things that I obviously am the most interested in is seeing if that sort of bizarre Christian extremism exists within him back then. Sure. He thinks he's fighting the devil.

Right. Right. That seems to be what I'm most interested in. Yes. Because if that's been going on for 18 years, someone should have, you know, taken care. Yes. But we should be, we should have a societal understanding that this guy thinks he's the fucking Messiah and has nothing to do with banking.

Totally. Totally. No. No, no, no. The Fed, it's fighting the devil. Yeah. Yeah. It's complete nonsense with a little thin veneer of political intrigue in order to trick

people into thinking that what they're involved in isn't extremist religion. Exactly. Yeah. So I was interested. And we've seen signs and there have been simmering tensions. Slight. Slight little bits that if you were being ungenerous, perhaps you could put that in the holster. Yeah.

So I'm interested to see what happens here on May 6th, see if we can, see if we can find any more clues and get a better picture of what's going on. Let's see what happens. First though, Jordan, we got to give some shout outs to some walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Joanna, and then the message here is that Jordan needs to live stream some chrono trigger. Pretty please.

You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. And that's a good idea. We've got a request. That's a great game. That's a great game. Yeah.

They also scream some chrono trigger. Next, if it's pronounced A-T-A-T, then Thai fighters are now T-I-E fighters. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you. And also, I don't want a flay war developing through the, this, this is not how we do this. Simmering controversy.

This is not how we do this. And H, thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. That's actually pronounced E-D-H, Dan. Good to be. Yeah. Thank you very much, Ed.

And then I'd like to give some shout outs to some technocrats. So first we got Joel C. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. Dan, I love you, but the Rolling Stones road play with fire, not the fucking doors. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. And Brian, you're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk.

Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401K doing, bro? All right, we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Joel, the music scolder and Brian Seltzer. Thank you very much to all of you. I, I think I'm going to change my bright spot to just now you staying humble. Oh, you're great. Thanks.

I love you. So Jordan today, like I said, we're in the past year is an out of context drop from today's show. Yes, I'm a maniac. Yes, I love freedom. Thanks for putting up with me. So that's an out of context drop. You know, he's saying I'm a maniac or all this, but he's not being a maniac.

No, no, no, that's almost more terrifying. I'm just somebody in a monotone. Yes, I'm a maniac. He hasn't been earlier in this, the episode before that either. Oh, not at all. No. What? Yeah.

Like if you listen to present day shows, you'll be like, this guy is so subdued. And he's like, I'm sorry. I'm being crazy. No, you're not. Wow. That's interesting. This is the first serialized content we've got where he's referencing the fact that he has been a maniac in the past.

At least we're aware of the past in this time period in the future. I will be so nuts that I have to apologize now. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So he starts off the show and I honestly think I'm working on a theory here. This is another thing I'm tracking as I'm going back to the past. And I think Joe Rogan might have ripped off Alex. All right, my friends, we have a powerful broadcast for you today.

Just masses of vital information developing on the police state on the thought crime front here in the homeland. We also have backtell that wicked organization is now coming out the mainstream news that backtell is big with the bin Laden's will, of course, anything in the Middle East unless you are with the CIA, I mean, the bin Laden British intelligence family. So I think, I think Rogan might have stolen calling his show powerful. Yeah. This is 2003.

This is before the Rogan experience. Oh, yeah. For sure. Powerful Joe Rogan experience. Got a powerful broadcast here. I don't think so. So let's talk about the backtell group. Sure.

So the story here that Alex is talking about, it begins with a piece by Jane Meyer in the New Yorker where she covers a connection between the bin Laden family and the backtell group, quote, the global construction and engineering company to which the US government recently awarded its first major multimillion dollar contract to reconstruct war ravaged Iraq. This was because the bin Laden family had invested about $10 million in a company called Fremont Group, which began as a subsidiary of backtell, but it had been a separate entity since 1986.

Some of the board members of backtell were also board members of Fremont, but they weren't connected businesses. So an investment in one isn't necessarily an investment in the other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of reasons to point fingers at backtell and suspect they're not above board in their dealings. But this tenuous connection to the bin Laden family is not one of them. Even if you connect them concretely to Fremont, then you still need to demonstrate how the

money the bin Laden family invested in Fremont has any connections to the actions of Osama bin Laden. Yeah, it gets it. There's so much work that you still need to do to make this a sensible conspiracy. And all Alex is doing is just like pointing at someone else's headline and then just construing it. I can't think of anything more like, oh, I heard that the backtell group was into some shit or I'd be like, oh, yeah, of course they were.

Most businesses commit financial crimes of some sort. I don't think they're financing terrorism. That's more expensive than just committing financial crimes. Well, the conspiracy that they're sort of trying to dance around without explicitly saying it is like, so this backtell group, they do a lot of construction projects, multimillion dollar reconstruction projects. So Osama bin Laden, they built the twin towers and they were actually fake and they were made and it was a small model that was no, no, okay.

It's that like the Osama bin Laden funding of this is related to causing the need for the construction. Sure. That's a big loop of investment. I got you. I got you. I got you. That's sort of the conspiracy that's being hinted at without actually overtly saying

because it's like, okay, no, hold on. If you were to actually assert that people would be like, you can't prove any of this. That's outrageous. Yeah. But if you hint at it like Alex is doing, then you know, you can kind of get away with it. Fuck. Pretend you've proven a case when you haven't done anything of the sort, follow the money.

There's a few million invested in a small company and that's terrorism. Okay. Fine. Yeah. Okay. So Alex is this guy who has always been right about everything and he's just like just waiting to be proven right all the time, all the time. Also passport will carry.

I prints. We'll get to that. Uh, even world net daily admits it. I wasn't going to cover it yesterday when the Toronto star was saying it because I knew it would come out in other conservative publications. We like to go from it from that angle because we know how the liberals are turns out what we told you about a month ago was completely true. So it's interesting to see how clearly above the left, right paradigm Alex is back in 2003

can't trust any liberals. No, totally seems like a guy who is consistent about how the left, right thing is just an illusion. For sure. Definitely doesn't seem like a dishonest, manipulative, extremely right wing asshole. The truth is that Alex does dislike the left and the right at this point in time. You can tell that, but it's important to recognize what his complaints are. He hates the left because he hates them.

He hates the right because he doesn't feel like they're far enough to the right and that they're secretly on the left, right? Also 18 years later on our passports do not include I prints. Check that one up in the column of things. Alex has not always been right about. Yeah. I mean, Alex wants at this time period, Alex wants to hear George W come out and be like segregation now, segregation then, you know, and then, and then he'd be well above the

left, right paradigm. Certainly beyond it. Yes. Yeah. That's the echo of the past that certainly plays in the present day quite a bit. And that is the idea that if you pay with cash somewhere, you're going to go to prison. Well, sure. Also paying cash triggers alert for terrorism in the new world.

This is out of the Virginia pilot paying cash anywhere is now terror stock will be phasing it out soon. So that has not happened yet. I mean, didn't India phase out all the paper money? Didn't a renter of Modi just be like one day was just like no paper money. I'm not sure if that's been a full and total phasing. Yeah. Well, I know that during COVID there has been a lesser use of money.

Well, for sure. Use paper money. Totally fine. I used it earlier to purchase the drink that I am enjoying right now. Yeah. I was kind of suspicious about this and it takes him until the end of the episode to actually just talk about what this article is about. Sure.

So I'm just going to jump forward now so we can close this. Okay. And he's reading this and what it sounds like a really poorly written attempt at humor, but also no, but also at like, like a editorial kind of thing. Sure. And here's basically what's going on, but a polite equivalent of your money's no good here arrived in the mail the other day in the form of a note from the sex department store.

Folks, the only reason we have an account with them is that my wife once said she wanted to get some sacks and I hardly agreed only to learn that as a mutant midwesterner. I'd once again misinterpreted her soft Virginia accent. Those women in Virginia do have pretty voices. Fine. Southern ladies. Yeah. Anyway, the note from sacks said that hence forth, it would not accept cash as a form

of payment on store accounts in any form over $300. So that's the story. Some guy was, he learned that it sacks. They don't accept cash on things over $350. I'm so infuriated by that and there's a little bit of a, that's how sexy Alex's show used to get. That's so annoying. I just can't imagine one opening something from sacks in the mail that goes in the garbage

store. Let alone two caring if you can't buy something more than $350 with cash. That's fine. Yeah. That's totally fine. Sure. That's slightly annoying to people buying things more than $350. It's also, if I were someone who was, you know, running a store like that, I might be

suspicious of someone paying $1,000 for something in cash. Yeah. I might be. Of course. Why wouldn't you be? I mean, I wouldn't judge them too much, but I'd be like, this money might be dirty. No, I mean, if somebody walks up to you like, Hey, I want to buy this car for 20,000 cash and I don't want you to give my name.

You would be at least a little suspicious. Yeah. There might be a reason. Right. So Alex gets to talking some more about the bin Laden family. He does not cover this story about Bechtel in depth or anything, but he does ramble a bit about the bin Laden and how he's CIA. I love the song.

Did you know that? I love the song ramble on. Do you know who did that? Uh, doors. It was the doors. I'm pretty sure. One would have to hide on the dark side of the moon to not know that bin Laden is CIA, to not know that his family, it was set up by British intelligence over 70 years ago,

that they carry out dangerous missions for the New World Order all over the world. And that if you want to build anything in the Middle East, you go one place, the bin Laden. And that you're not allowed to build any type of military structure or pipeline, anything unless you go through the CIA and her majesty's al-Qaeda, that's a lot of stuff being said. It just seemed like there's a lot going on there. Yeah. So there's this claim that bin Laden is CIA.

Right. You have to be on the moon to not know that. No, he's committing worldwide wet work as we speak. I would, I would say that Alex can't prove this. Oh, you don't think so? No, the most he could probably do is say that people have theorized and some believe quite strongly that bin Laden received some training from the CIA back in the 1980s when bin Laden and the Mujahideen were fighting against Soviet communists.

You could even be pretty reasonable in assuming that some of that financial support from the U.S. did find its way to bin Laden and his fighters in that period as part of Operation Cyclone aimed at fighting communism broad with the help of proxy armies. A strong argument could be made that the formation of al-Qaeda was at least partially the effect of blowback from these behaviors and operations. The thing is that one can accept all the conventionally understood history of bin Laden and his connections to the U.S. and the CIA and still recognize that the claims Alex is making are unfounded. Saying that stupid geopolitical decisions inspired by the anti-communist hysteria of

the Reagan era led to unforeseen and severe consequences is not the same thing as saying that Osama bin Laden was in the CIA. Yeah. It's very different. It's wild to me to go to like Osama is still working for the CIA instead of immediately assuming that the CIA made a stupid and short-sighted decision that is perfectly in line with literally every decision that the CIA has ever made. Yeah.

Yeah. It makes sense. There's narrative consistency there. Yeah. So the second claim that Alex is making in that clip is that there's no construction that happens in the Middle East without the involvement of the bin Laden family, which is nuts. Why?

How? Because the bin Laden family is the majority owner of the bin Laden group global holding company, formerly known as Saudi bin Laden group. They do have interest in a lot of construction and some incredibly high-profile projects like the Jeddah Tower. Sure. But it's a little much to pretend that they run a complete racket of all these construction projects in the Middle East.

I mean, he does not want to learn about sovereign wealth funds. I'll tell you that right now. A Forbes Middle East estimate recently put the total value of projects in the Saudi Arabian construction market at $1.2 trillion. And that's not even considering like $713 billion in UAE projects, $578 billion in Egypt. Yeah. It's a fun story to tell that the bin Laden family has a stranglehold on the market and

no one makes anything without their approval and that of the CIA, but it's not real. It's just a cartoonish exaggeration of the news that was reported about the ties between the bin Laden family and the Bechtel group that Alex is trying to inflate into being something completely different than it actually is. There are problems with the interconnectedness of these boards, and you can make some good arguments about the way contracts are baited on and doled out, and the sort of conversations are completely impossible. If the point that you want to start from is the bin Laden CIA and his family runs all

this construction in the Middle East, it's a dead end. If you're trying to understand the real world and that's what Alex is ushering his audience towards. Yeah. And also like the biggest construction groups in Saudi Arabia are run by the government. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the bin Laden family.

It's the corrupt governments using this for their own personal gain in a way that makes perfect sense. If you know anything about the history of that government. So Jordan, we've heard a lot about Alex predicting 9 11. Sure. He nailed it. We know that about a month before he did, Bill Cooper was saying the exact same stuff on his show.

Well, I mean, and several times before that, Osama himself was saying it, which is probably why you could assume that it was a smart prediction. This next clip talks a little bit about where he got some of his ideas that the Osama bin Laden. Nope. Oh, okay. Gary Hart, one of the chief neocons. I mean, he's a great Democrat, of course, he's a leading neocon now on the board there

with the CFR and with the Rudman and they said, they said, we're going to be hit by terrorist when he between big tall buildings are going to be in trouble. He said on hardball 491 one started laughing. Chris Matthews laughed. It was a CFR moment. Lots of giggling around the table, lots of smacking, lots of rubbing hands together. And I got on here and I said, look out of New York's about to get it, call the White House, tell them to stop to call off the attack.

So Alex saw Gary Hart and Chris Matthews having a moment. Yeah. Was this a segment on the show back then, the, the CFR moment? Yeah. Yeah. That's your CFR moment for the day. Yeah. It was like the Daily Show at the moment of Zen.

Exactly. Yeah. So Alex saw this blatant CFR moment happening in public and he knew that there was going to be. Absolutely. Unfortunately, if you listen to him in the present day is a slightly different story. Let me tell you folks. I told you they were going to blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on me a lot.

God gave me a vision and that's the little added ingredient of M4s everybody knows about. It's not just that I don't know how to politically analyze all this stuff. I can get on my knees and go to that place. And then the problem is you're just in God's presence. You don't care that now you can actually see everything going on in the universe. Plugging directly into the source. And there was that time that he went on Rogan's show and said that he got it from a dream. Yes, there is that.

Well, there was a two hour thing I did in July 25th, 2001, where I went ahead and went on errands. They're going to blow up the World Trade Center. I guess it's been a lot of them launch all these wars. And I said, oh, I just got this from analysis information, but I kept having the dream of the tower smoking all the rest of it. I love the idea that in the present day when he's talking to Rogan to try and be interesting, he's like, I claimed back then that it was based on analysis, but I just had this dream

over and over again. Now we're looking back at 2003 and it's him saying that it was based on analysis. Based on analysis. So we can only conclude that in 2003, all this episode talking about the CFR moment, he's lying. He's just had dreams 100 percent. Yep. Well, that means that that's that's strangely conclusive proof that maybe he wasn't lying

in the press. He was. Hey, hey, I was lying in the past. Okay, I'm coming clean on this one, no matter what I do, it's based on a lie. Yeah, I don't know. That's so funny. Did you ever notice how narcissists as time goes on, like the people in their stories tend to disappear and it's just them?

You know, that that whole Gary Hart thing just disappears into the past CFR moment. Yeah. But a dream. No, not a worry. Not a worry. In the present day, it was all me and God, maybe God gave him a vision of literally everything that was going to happen because it was so spectacular. He gets handjobs from the Archangel Michael.

Yeah. So we have this interesting dynamic in the past here where Alex is still trying to do that whole pretending the left and the right are the same. Yes. Kind of game. He tries to get into that a little bit and I think it's a little silly. Look, I've tried to explain the real political paradigm. Okay.

If you're on the far left, you got police and black ski masks, giant prisons, incredible taxation, regulation control, a few strong men running things. That's socialism, communism, whatever you want to call it. That is what they do to us. On the far right, police and black uniforms, giant prisons, a few strong men running things, total control, high taxation. Sounds like the past five years. Look, until a hundred years ago, the university's taught liberty, freedom, Magna Carta, Bill

of Rights. It was a discussion of liberty versus tyranny. It wasn't a discussion of left and right. They've learned how to give you false choices. They go, oh, do you want the left or the right when there's no difference in substance? What? I do, I do like we can kind of boil it down to the conversation is still between liberty and tyranny.

You're just pretending that the right doesn't associate with tyranny. That's kind of your problem here. You guys just tried to institute a theocracy. I think we know what the left, right paradigm is liberty versus freedom. Yeah, it's, it's a little, it's a little bit strange. Yeah. Um, I would say that that's a superficial analysis at best. Well, he's, the way he's trying to depict the left and the right as the same, right,

is essentially meaningless. And also, I don't know, I don't know how he knows what they were teaching at universities a hundred years ago. Sure. Sure. I would say that he is not somebody I would take as a, as a credible source on that. Sure. So yeah, that, that assessment, I don't, I don't care too much about the left and the

right. Like, like it's just simplistic. The way, like you can take left wing governments that have eroded into dictatorships and right wing governments that have also eroded into dictatorships and then you can find some superficial similarities between them. Sure. It doesn't mean that they're all the same. For a policy wonk, you'd think that he would bring up specific things that they agree on.

No, just superficial things like there's big jails and people in police and blast bike uniforms. All right. Well, they solved it. Also, I wanted, I want you to keep this in mind. Typically speaking, if someone is trying to tell you that there's no difference between X and Y, there's a really good chance that they're super on the side of X or Y. Yes.

They're usually not in the middle or neutral. They're usually an extremist for X or Y. Usually they go from, there's nothing between, there's no difference between X or Y and then they push you strongly towards X or Y. Yes. It does seem like that is a pattern. Yeah. So Alex is trying to make this point that like the left and the right are the same,

you know, blah, blah, blah. Sure. Fascism and communism, same thing. And here is how Alex makes that argument. There's no difference in substance. So call it fascism. Call it communism. It's all command and control.

Maybe a little bit different implementation system. But yeah, you got Bush's grandfather getting detained and having to pay a million plus fine. Crosscott Bush for running almost all Nazi operations globally, over 53% of the steel production you name it. Crosscott the senator. No help at all. At the same time, the other families funding the communists.

I mean, this is what they do, folks. So Alex is really bad at his job in clips like this. Yeah. Like what does he mean by Prescott Bush wearing almost all the Nazi operations globally? He ran almost all the Nazi operations globally. Uh, yeah. Did he run the cloning program in Brazil too? Totally.

Okay, good. If you pay attention to that clip, you see one of the ways that Alex lies. He takes something that is true, namely that Prescott Bush did indirect business with the Nazis, and then he, uh, embellishes it in a completely insane way, like claiming he ran almost all their operations globally. The assertion that Alex is making is nonsensical. He's saying that Prescott Bush profiteered by trading with fascists and that other rich families have profiteered by trading with communists, thus they must be the same.

Same thing. It means nothing. And is a silly argument. No difference. The argument that fascism and communism are the same because Alex believes them both to be command and control systems is equally, uh, meaningless. Alex throws out that term a lot, but it really is just a military term that the Joint Chiefs of Staff defines thus, quote, command and control is the exercise of authority and direction

by a properly designated commander over assigned forces in the accomplishment of a mission. The term has a broader understanding outside of strictly military situations to mean someone directs other people to get a task done. It does seem very self-explanatory whenever you, uh, just think of words and how they mean things. If this is the big similarity that Alex has that he thinks makes communism and fascism the same, I have a short list of other things that also must be the same as the Nazis. School, any job where you have a boss, hospitals, firefighting, construction, NASCAR pit crews,

any sport that has a coach, any form of acting where there's a director, every country in the world. This list goes on and on. Well, you didn't need to add that last one. Sure. By focusing on what he thinks is the only relevant factor in these two systems, Alex is actually obscuring the much more real and much more important differences between them. I think what Alex is trying to express is that communist countries have what's known

as a command economy, where the government decides what should be produced and how much, as opposed to letting the market decide. This is a defining aspect of communism as an economic system. The problem is when you try to juxtapose that with fascism, which isn't an economic system. No. If you look at the fascist countries during World War II, for example, you can see massive differences in the economic models that they employed.

What Alex is trying to express is that communism by definition involves a command economy, and that the Nazis also had a fairly command based economy. The differences that within communism it's an element of the economic ideology, but in the case of groups like the Nazis, it was just used because it was necessary to run an economy almost entirely based on war. We did the same thing during World War II. Yeah. It was a great idea.

It worked out for everybody involved. This is not a meaningful substantive connection between these two things. As I was listening to this episode, I was trying to give Alex a fair reading, and it's just what he's saying doesn't make sense. No. Based on his definition of command and control, the fundamental idea of laws can't exist, because that is a designated body telling you what you can or cannot do. That simply cannot exist in his concept of both.

I think if you went too far with it, yeah, you probably could get to that argument. I think I could get him to that argument. I don't think it would be hard. Oh, another thing that's command and control. Judges. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. You're right.

All laws should be abolished. Okay, Alex. That wasn't quite my point, but fair enough. So the thing, though, is that socialism always leads to fascism. You want to use these half-baked political terms, communist, socialist, fascist, I'll use them. And to use them more accurately, socialism leads to fascism. Over and over again, the bankers fund a socialist communist movement that can solidate power

to get a big government, to get people dependent, and then it is transferred once they're dependent to a fascist government. Now that's what happens over and over again. That's just not true, but this conversation is probably impossible to have because I don't think Alex is using any of these terms in the way that anyone else would use them. No, no, no, no. This is a completely made-up claim that Alex is peddling that he can't back up at all unless he uses completely absurd definitions of the word socialism and fascism that I don't think

anybody would agree with him. Socialism is whatever it is he doesn't like, and if you can define it as something different from that, he will tell you that that's the secret way they talk about it to cover up that what they actually mean is socialism. Sure. Yeah. So Alex, one of the big breaking points in his career, one of the times that he... Also, real quick, I despise the idea that communism is half-baked.

Like one of the most documented and argued about in books over and over and over again, refined and reinterpreted things is half-fucking-baked, like Karl Marx made it through three quarters of Das Kapital and was like, eh, that'll do. Look, I tried. Yeah, exactly. I'll put it out there and everybody else can finish the last 40 pages if they want. There's a salient difference between... I disagree with this and it's half-baked.

Yeah, it's half-baked. Yeah. That is fair. Sorry, I needed to... No, that's all right. I needed to beat that dead horse real quick. I say, nay. No.

So, Alex broke into Bohemian Grove, right? Sure, yes, he did. And you know, we've heard a lot of stories of him talking about his heroics. And now that we're in the future, he did it completely by himself with no other journalist there whatsoever who were also documenting the situation. Oh, you might be surprised to hear this then. Oh. I mean, you can't write stuff this crazy.

You... I didn't believe in Bohemian Grove. I read about it. I heard about it. I read mainstream news articles. The British media says, Mr. Jones, we'd like to get you to sneak in. We really can't do it. But we're afraid to do it, Mr. Jones.

We know you do things like this. Would you like to sneak into the Grove? I snuck in and I saw it, folks. Okay? I saw it in my own two eyes. I got video of it. So, Alex in the present day would like to say that he was the first person to ever break the story wide open.

Oh, of course, of course. But here he is in 2003 talking about how he'd read about it in the mainstream news before. And in fact, the British media approached him to do the story. He did not think of this by himself whatsoever. Hey, Alex, we hear you're a weirdo. He would never do it had he not had the push from the British media. Yeah. These are just some of these little differences between past versions of stories and present.

Yeah. It seems like things change. Sure. But something that doesn't is weird sponsors. Alex has a herb store or like, I don't know, I guess they have some colloidal silver and stuff that they sell that he's running an ad for. And it ended in a way that shocked me. Sign up on the website and receive our 104 page catalog and a current herbal healer newsletter

free. Simply log on to herbalhealer.com, check out our online member testimonials and our hundreds of exceptional products. We have been working hard since 1988 to save the remnant. That's herbalhealer.com, your website for safe, effective natural alternatives and education. What? Is this a Christian identity herbal shop? Oh, no.

We're going to send you our 104 page catalog. Also, we've defeated the Zardons and if you call this number, we will be able to send you this catalog. Wait, you shouldn't have thrown the Zardons in there. What did you just say? Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to save the remnant.

That's that's interesting code to be in this commercial this far back. It seems like maybe Alex was, I mean, why would you have that as a sponsor if they weren't like something like a Christian identity type of herbal shop? Sure. Hey, yeah. Natural place for us to advertise. Yeah. Why would you?

If you weren't, why would you shoehorn that into your commercial? Very weird. Yeah. Very weird. I can't get over the idea of like catalogs, just cornflakes, they're great. I've seen a thousand year war almost done and if you want more catalogs, cornflakes like, wait, what did you just say? We will defeat the devil with my lucky charms.

You can't just toss that in there, man. What are you doing? It is strange. So Alex is having a tough time with the Iraq war and all this partially because he hates the people who are doing it. Sure. Vizavi, George Bush and all that. And I think that by free talking a little bit too much, I think that Alex reveals certain

ways in which his ideology is inconsistent with what he wants the audience to believe it is. I mean, the government was leaving us alone and not trying to dumb our kids down and not trying to ship heroin and cocaine in and not doing all these things. They wanted to go invade a bunch of countries and bring them real republics and really have elections. I'd go, well, man, you know, maybe so. I like what George Washington said about, you know, staying out of other hemisphere,

but okay, but no, you don't destroy everything that makes America America. So Alex seems like he's fine with the idea of colonialism. Yeah, it does seem like the regime change, the installing democracies. Sure. Sure. Only in the case that the government wasn't doing the things that he doesn't like. Right. Right.

Alex's opposition can't possibly be to meddling in the affairs of other countries or regime changing nation building. Right. That is something that he is hypothetically okay with, but he would pretend that he's not. Yeah. I would be interested to know what Washington would consider a hemisphere. His argument, Alex's argument against the Iraq war seems to be vaccine.

Yeah, I was going to say, it doesn't not, it does not seem sensible. No, no, no, no, no, it doesn't seem like he's like, hey, hey, we should be colonizing Central South America is what we did. No other hemisphere is Washington. No, I think he's saying that if our country was run the way I want it to be, we could go ahead and put in democracies around the world. Sure, of course. I just don't like these people.

It's an incoherent and silly ideology that runs into problems really fast. Yeah, it is. It's the same thing with him wanting to buy Greenland when Trump is in office. For sure. Let's just steal it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's that kind of nonsense of like, oh, that is kind of what you believe as long as it's as long as it's your idealized Christian authoritarian government, right, you'd be totally

fine if it was one world government, of course, be totally fine with all kinds of colonial expansions. Well, then everything's one hemisphere, Dan, if it's all America, don't care at all about the idea of freedom or self-determination, yeah, it is like, okay, I get that we both don't want the Iraq war, but I don't want it because millions of people are going to be slaughtered for no reason. And you don't want it because you don't like the guy. I don't think we necessarily agree.

I don't like tax. Yeah, I don't think that's a good. So Alex does an ad pivot here and it's, you know, it's very sensible. It makes sense. This is kind of how I'm not, I'm not offended by this necessarily, because what he's doing is advertising his products, which are like his DVDs and stuff. It makes sense for him to be like, there's more information on this. It makes more sense than him constantly throwing to pill commercials.

Yes, it does. Because at least there's still hypothetical information to be found here, although I think he's lying. Well, some of us aren't afraid. We'll stand up for humanity because it's people like us. It's the only reason we still have humanity, the counterbalance, the just insane filth out there. Before I end the shower, if you believe in what we're doing, you want to fight the New

World Order, you want to tool to fight the New World Order, get my videos. I produced eight of them and we proved the globalists carried out 911 and we proved they're going to carry out more and we proved that they're enslaving you and your family. So on his documentaries, he proved that the globalists carried off 911, 9-11. I don't recall that. But do you recall when he did that interview a couple of years back with Patrick Bet David and Patrick Bet David asked him, who did 9-11? I do recall that.

Who was really behind a 9-11 which you've studied over the years and which you've spoken about? I don't know who's behind it. Oh, okay. Well, you should watch your DVDs then. You should watch the proof that you made. It seems like you would stick to the proof. Yeah.

I would say that maybe you were wrong, or maybe you didn't prove anything. No, I'm just trying to... Okay. My documentaries are going to prove everything. The world war is coming there to... Now, I mean, obviously the capital gains tax should be about 40, 50%. And that's why we're like, wait, no, no, no, you threw this non sequitur in there. It's fun.

It's fun for him to forget that he proved who did 9-11. Yeah. It seems like a big thing to remember. Oh, well. Who did it? Alex doesn't know. I think I've watched those DVDs and I don't think I know either based on his... His proof in quotes.

Yeah. I would like those redacted pages is what I want, Dan. So here's our first indication of something not being quite right in Austin. Sure. Alex is going out to break and he says this. Again, that's 888-253-3139, defending the republic against the forces of Satan. Uh-oh. Okay.

There it is. Uh-oh. And you could pull that off as being like, oh, look at him. He's making that exaggeration, ah, come on, we've all used flowery language. Yeah. Yeah. And it's going out to break on like a pump-up kind of thing. Yeah, totally.

It sounds like a reasonable thing that you would say if you were just pumped up. But it also does feel like this is a little bit more than I have been giving a pass to a lot of stuff. It seems like I'm fighting against the forces of Satan. He's not as literal. He's not saying that as part of a 15-minute rant. Sure, sure. It is just going out to break, but it made me worried.

It could be hyperbole, of course. Uh-huh. Of course. However, it's, you can't, you can't miss the forwards for the trees, if you will, Dan. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, uh, Alex goes to calls and there's, like, I think I've brought this up before, but there's such a sensible formula to his show at this point, and that is that he'll rant about something

for a little while and then go to calls. And then maybe the caller says something that he can talk about for a little bit longer. Sure, sure. He'll read a headline or two, then go to a call, give maybe a reaction, that'll lead into a rant. There is just a fluidity to it that makes sense. Right. Whereas now it's such fucking long chunks of him saying nothing.

Stream of consciousness chaos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it is, it flows much easier. And so this caller that Alex goes to at this point in the show brings up Rush Limbaugh. What do you think Alex thinks about Rush Limbaugh? He's grateful for someone giving him something to steal. Nope. Oh.

I was listening the other day driving in my car and I happened to turn on Rush Lecture and he was talking about. So, what, you turned into the ultra liberal and the neocon and, and Bush is a communitarian. You know what the dictionary 20 years ago said about communitarian? No. One who promotes communist systems. Bush's press release for the election. I'm a communitarian.

What did the communitarian Rush Limbaugh say? So apparently Rush Limbaugh is a commie. Yes, the communitarian Rush Limbaugh. Yes, noted. The super left commie Rush Limbaugh. The leftist among leftists Rush Limbaugh. Right standing next to Bill Maher is people who are leftists beyond all reasons. Yeah.

I mean, like you get this sense of like, okay, here's where the denial of the left right paradigm is. Yeah. Rush Limbaugh is a fucking comic. Yeah. Just take a, just take a hit at somebody on the right and then you're good, you know, and it doesn't have to be a substantial hit. You can just be like, that guy's a real dick.

Hey, I'm above the left, right paradigm. So Alex is talking to this caller and they bring up the going to the world's fair in the 70s, I think. Sure. I might have seen some like Russian propaganda about ecological efforts. Okay. Okay. I don't know.

I don't know what's going on anymore. Talking about your lies and propaganda, I remember in 1974 I went to the world's fair and the, the theme of that world's fair was ecology and the worst exhibit there, the most propagandized exhibit was the, the Russian exhibit at that world's fair and you go through the Russian exhibit from one end to the other. All they said was how wonderful it was in Russia. There was no pollution. Uh, they, you know, the waters were clean, the air was clean, all this stuff.

It was exactly the opposite of what was reality, but now we're turning into the same kind of a system that I saw in 74 in the world's fair in the Russian exhibit. Well, I'd be honest, if it was a new world, I'd leave, but I love America. What did you just say? My family's been in the Texas independence fight and for the bottle for independence is 1776, but I gotta tell you, I'd be moving down there. I'll tell you. Well, I'll hear you.

We need some states to break off, break away, get out of this thing and then, you know, get back to America, all of the, the real United States, because this isn't the federal government. People running the federal government, they're the enemy combatants. Yeah. The federal government's enemy combatants. Sure. The thing that I think is interesting about that clip and the reason that I pulled it

out was because like this caller is expressing this idea that they saw this Russian display at the 74 world's fair and it is a delusional portrayal of what was really going on in the Soviet Union. Yeah. And one of the things that he brings up is like there's no pollution and you flash forward to the present day and Alex talking about how coal power plants are all totally clean. No pollution. Yeah.

Russia is just a perfectly clean thing. It's so interesting to see Alex becoming this thing that this caller is describing as being this horrendous act of propaganda in 1974 that he still remembers in 2003. Just don't. Alex. Alex is completely delusional about accepting and recognizing and dealing with the, the sort of more bad history of the United States to the point where he's even worse than probably whatever that Soviet Russian display was.

Yeah. That is one of those things about fascists is that once you're in the in power, all of the past is changed to whatever you want. You know, if you, as long as Trump is running the United States government, the United States has never, ever done anything wrong. And saying so is an attempt to undermine exactly. Yeah. Oh, you're going to bring up slavery again.

It's America. Come on. You're trying to ruin the exuberance. Exactly. Yeah. We're running up our good time, man. We're trying to slaughter innocents and you're really making us bummed out. Yeah.

It's very, it's very strange. By that, I mean, it's not strange at all. So hey, we got this idea that left, right. Same thing. Sure. Last two presidents, Clinton, Bush, no difference there. Both puppets. Sure.

But were they equally responsible puppets? That's quite what? What? I have nothing really against Bush. Bush is more of a puppet than Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was really in there, enjoyed all of it. Bush is really just reading off a teleprompter and hey, thanks daddy, it's great to be able to preside over the new world order in the end of America.

So yeah, we've got these two presidents who are both puppets. Right. The left and the right. Sure. But somehow still the one that's on the left is worse. Right. Right. Because he enjoyed it.

So, so we're in a, we're in a Pinocchio situation where Clinton is when Pinocchio was turned into a donkey for a while and W is still the, the puppet, but he is not yet a real boy. Sure. And then Trump is the real boy. Yes. I guess. I think that's what happened.

I think we've, I think I've figured it out. Yeah. It's just, it's just remarkable to look at this and be like, oh yeah, this, this act of the left and the right of the same is so thin. Yeah. It's so transparent. Yeah. You've already done it over and over and over again.

Almost any time there's a comparison between someone who's on the left and someone who's on the right, you can see like some sort of derision towards both, but the left is way worse. Oh yeah. Yeah. Clinton enjoyed it. Their inclusion is what makes them evil. So Bush.

Sure. Uh, he, he, he gave a warning to the U S's supposed enemies and Alex believes that these are actually the globalists enemies. And here we get another wonderful prediction from Alex. So Bush fires warnings at U S enemies. You mean globalist enemies saying that other countries are next, so they are going into other countries. They'll need to be a convenient tear attack blamed on someone though.

Don't worry. Much larger Gary Hart and other CFR people have told us with total confidence and then we'll call them profits when Dallas or Denver or Cleveland get hit by smallpox, as Gary Hart said, uh, on national television on hardball. Well, he said that before 911. He just said that on, uh, howdy and combs. So this is one of the problems with relying on quote unquote CFR moments and that sort of thing as being predictive of what's going to happen in the world when Gary Hart says

something like we're worried about smallpox cases in American city. Yeah. And you read that as there's going to be, there's, you know, to justify another war. Right. You're just making shit up. And that's what we see here. There's no, and it's, it's the most powerful type of making shit up propaganda wherein somebody trying to protect you from a thing that's happening.

You have turned into the person trying to cause the thing that's happening. Yeah. Thus ensuring that the thing they're worried about almost certainly will happen. Yeah. And then you get to bitch about how they didn't see it coming. And then, uh, you know, you have these kinds of instances of things that just litter Alex's career. That just things never happened.

Yeah. And we're just totally talking out of his ass. Yeah. He just pretends that that isn't like a bulk of his career. Well, the last time I visited Denver, there were about four people there after the smallpox epidemic destroyed most of the city. Sure. But they were really cool to hang out with.

There was only lone survivors. They did try and eat my leg. So look, we get another caller. Sure. This guy's got an interesting idea. Naturally. And by interesting, I mean very stupid. Terrible.

So stupid that Alex has to end the conversation by saying, I don't speculate. No. Talk to Andrew in North Carolina. Andrew you're on the air. Welcome. Hi, Alex. How are you doing? Good, sir.

I had an idea. I don't know if you'd support me on it, uh, the idea popped in my head a while back while I was tying down a little glass. Anyway, um, the idea was how much of a coincidence that a little girl gets kidnapped and you tie and just so happens that her last name is smart. And in fact, if there's a smart chip out there and now her parents and Amber's parents have signed the Amber Alert Bill, which I don't know what turns over all radio TV billboards to FEMA and they're now flat flashing report terrorist report guys.

And, uh, and then it turns out that she's related to a congressman or all this other stuff. And then there's some weird freak weather. And, uh, yeah, the whole thing stinks to high heaven, but I don't know, sir. I don't speculate. You were just wow. Wow. Yeah.

Hey, listen, I'm going to take your wild, insane speculation and I'm going to speculate on that. But listen, I don't speculate. I'm going to rattle off things that are meant to give justification to speculation, but man, I do not speculate about whether or not the Elizabeth smart kidnapping was an elaborate globalist to put chips in everybody. I would never speculate on that. I mean, obviously that plan is in play and they could do it at any point.

And you know what? We always were told there were going to be silicon chips. Turns out they're going to be made of Amber. Yeah, exactly. Amber. Fine. Smart chips. Fine.

Fine. Yeah. I think that's, that's the type of theory. If somebody comes at you with, you just have to roll up a newspaper and be like, no, no, bad. I think that I would love to just like, uh, God, my dream job at info wars just keeps changing. Yeah. Now it's, I want a clip of Alex saying, I don't speculate.

Yeah. Every time you start speculating, the big red button, boom, uh-oh, stop it. It's just a repeat until the speculation ends. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, nine 11 was proven by Alex to have been carried out by people who can't remember who they are though. That was in the past.

Yep. Uh, but there are some signs. There's some telltale signs, uh, of how you know that, uh, you know, the man was behind it. Sure. Sure. People are nuts too. Why else would they have the Chicago mercantile exchange on nine one one, the one year anniversary

come up nine one one point zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. What? It's all the article that said nine one one point zero. I went and looked up on the Chicago mercantile to close it that day. The zeros went on basically forever. That's never happened. That's impossible. But what you're thinking, that was just a fluke.

Oh, it came up nine one one of the New York lottery on nine one one one year anniversary. Just a little mark. Hey, we control the lotteries. We control the exchanges and speculation exchanges down to the point they close it. So I'm not sure that they, I believe this, uh, it sounds like a urban legend kind of situation. It does. One thing, according to the CME website, which is the name of the Chicago mercantile

exchange when they're listed as a publicly traded entity, the CME group, they didn't go public until December 5th, 2002, when they had their initial public offering of stock. Right. They wouldn't have even been a stock price for CME on September 11th, 2002, since it wasn't traded. Oh, that was a real sneaky move by the globalist. Yeah. I don't know what he's referring to.

They really nailed it. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I, I think you might have seen a meme or something. This level of bullshit might as well. Oh, okay. Okay. Did you see that George W. Bush has been complimenting people a lot lately? That's another word for that is lauding.

Do you see what I'm saying? Oh shit. So, and he's been doing it repeatedly over time. So you could say he's been lauding people. What does that mean? We nailed it. It means something. He is been lauding.

So people have looked into the lottery thing and that one actually is true, but it doesn't actually mean anything. The state lottery in New York does, they pick two, pick three winners each day. The numbers, the sets of three numbers and the odds of any three digit combination coming up is one in a thousand because there are two drawings, the odds of 911 hitting on any given day are one in 500, which really, it's an interesting coincidence, but it's far from proof that the globalists did it to show that they control a lot of numbers. Yeah.

That's, it's, it's fun, but you might as well use that as also like, Oh, I had to call 911 that day. It's a miracle. Yeah. Yeah. It's just weird how much of Alex's supposed proof of things relies on like just denying that coincidences exist. Yeah.

Well, they don't. It's, it's a little, it's a little annoying because there's no such thing as a real way to argue that. You could be like, well, the statistical odds of that coming up are not really that insane. And I don't know what you're talking about with the mercantile exchange. Yeah. But yeah. All right.

Go off. I was talking to this caller and they got into it, an argument, this caller and someone in their life because they didn't agree on the federal reserve. Sure. Right. Well, who can and Alex has an interesting theory about what was going on there. You guys were having a boring conversation. You bet.

They don't need any facts. They just need to feel good. Exactly. Yes. And the conversation I had, I was basically being yelled at and told, I tried to tell this guy, uh, I said, you know, cause it, it went into so many different directions that one time I was telling him, you know, your, your income tax monies go to the IMF and federal reserve and so on and so forth.

And no, no, they don't know they don't, you know, it's just a loud vehement denial makes it true. And, uh, now wait a minute though. You, he didn't have some problems subconsciously. The subconscious is much more powerful. It's happening. The powerful processor God gave us, it knows the truth, whereas the conscious doesn't. Don't do this.

This guy, if he laughed at you, if it wasn't serious, you know, me thinks they protest too much. Why do they get so excited there? So I guess because you guys are the worst to talk to, I guess anyone arguing with you is an indication that you're right. Yeah, exactly. Cause if you're wrong, they'll just laugh at you. Somebody says no.

Oh God. Yeah. Oh man. That's outrageous. Yeah. He was told by someone to just believe the news. Sure. Sure.

That's not what this person said to them. It's doubtful. But Alex's response to it is so telling. I wanted, I wanted to lay a quote on you from this guy. Uh, I believe in too many conspiracy theories and you just gotta watch the news and believe it. That's what he told me. And he's a successful businessman.

That's right. I'm successful. So I don't believe that this caller is reporting things accurately that his friend just said, watch the news and believe it. Kind of doubtful. But you know, let's, let's imagine that that's actually someone's position. Sure. That's a crippling level of naivete and lack of critical thinking that you're approaching

information that's coming to you with. And I would be opposed to what this, yeah, supposed person said, you know, I would even argue that I would be above the left, right paradigm in saying that that is a bad way of consuming media. Sure. Yeah. Now Alex has a couple of options in terms of addressing the situation. You could say something like that, like, Hey, your friend should engage more critically

with the information that's coming to, and you should as well, or he could have blanket defiance. I think that would be a better way to go. I think is just as stupid. I think it's just as stupid to mock the idea of ever listening to the news. Of course. It's Nazi Germany. Yeah.

It's, it's not, it's, it's the pendulum swinging too far the other direction. And that's what he wants. Yeah. It doesn't matter how you get to consume whatever it is uncritically, whether it be eating it or denying it. Yeah. Whether it, whether it's CNN or world net daily, yeah, like you want, you want these, he wants them to accept the world net daily uncritically.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And hostility towards things that are saying, well, you can trust them and you can't trust anybody else because it's Nazi Germany. Sure. Sure.

Yeah. I just think that's a bad path. And I would, I would say that he's not setting up his listeners for success. It's a strategy that won't get you into a better engagement with information. It'll just make you believe something else. You'll be tricked by something else. This will make you a captive to your information source. And then you'll be like, oh, I should give him money because he's saving me from the

rest of the evil media. And then all of a sudden you're going to start believing that he's the messiah actually fighting the literal devil. And then he will believe that. And then we're all out of control. So Alex is, is right about something in this, in this episode. Interesting. He is right.

Okay. It's stupid that people say that they would die for George Bush. I think that is stupid. Mike Hansen does some camera work for me. He got some video. I just finally saw this week, he's had it for a month. They were having the pro-war Bush rallies downtown in Austin. They had like 30 people there.

Mike walks up. I wasn't there with one other person and says, hey, why are you for the war? And the guy just screams, Mike Hansen, you're with Alex Jones. I will. And he bleep, bleep, you're, you're hiding in if you don't say you're for George Bush and started threatening to assault Mike, this is on tape. And Mike goes, hey, you're on camera. And he goes, and Mike goes, wait a minute.

So what do you think of George Bush? I'll die for him. I love him. I was like a directly just screaming, they love the leader because the media said so. And another Michael slaves the media and the neocons are controlling them. Jump into a time machine with me, Jordan. Come to the present. Yeah.

They can put a gun to my head. You say, if you don't come out and say, you hate Trump, we're going to blow your brains out. I'd say pull the trigger. Okay. Alex, calm down. Yeah. Also, I love how dainty he's being this man was threatening to fight me threatening

my camera man. He came up to me and he used curse words and he said that he would hurt me physically. I can't repeat these things because it's a family show and actually kind of mean it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God, what a dick.

So Alex has another caller and this guy, he had a similar vibe to me as that, that one caller who was like, his eight a.m. in China time, gotta drive to work. All right. All right. That guy, he's got a, he's got a Matthew McConaughey kind of vibe to it. It's not the same vibe, but this was a caller who like, I was like, I want to listen to you talk some more in the same way. Larry you're on the air.

Go ahead. Hey Alex. Good day. How are you doing? I got Hanson this morning on the Peacock channel. Well, they call it the Peacock channel, but if you strip his wings off here, it looks like an oblique view of a horned owl to me. Get him.

I love it. The fuck are you, man? That is great. I just imagined that guy writing that out, but I was going to say, that's not a turn of phrase that one just pops into mind. Oh, the Peacock network looks like an oblique horned owl to me. That's well-practiced. Sir.

Yeah. That's either a mirror or a thing you have said to a lot of people to bore them. Yeah. I wish his call was more interesting, but I did enjoy that. That is nice. He came out swinging. Yeah. That's good.

So Alex gets to talking about a story that his cousin told him and I don't know if this is buckly. I don't think it is. It could be any cousin. Yeah. It must be another cousin and unfortunately all, well, you'll see. My cousin two Mondays ago was sitting in my living room, but in the army for 20 years, he's an officer.

They were given a briefing this year. They're all getting microchips, the entire armed services. And then it goes into the general public, man. They're telling him, brace for more terror, we'll have to give up all our rights. The army is going to run our lives, but the border will stay wide open. Okay. So 18 years later, the military isn't all chipped, right? They are all chipped.

Oh. So Alex was right about that. Yeah. No, 100%. Every single military member is chipped upon introduction. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know those guys, the recruiters at your high school?

Yeah. Every time you shake their hand, they are implanting you with a computer. They have one of those little assassins blades. Exactly. Yeah. No, it's like the, it's like a clown buzzer, you know, but you, you get it and they're like, ha, ha, wasn't that a funny joke? And then they stare deep into your eyes and program you.

Right. Right. So if you have your trance, a flower on their lapel squirts you with water, that's how you wake up. Yeah. Then they, naturally they slip on a banana peel, walking away from you. Of course. So everybody's getting chipped.

Uh-huh. Still waiting on this one to, uh, to come around. Right. Um, but this caller has verified Alex's story because they have also heard that, uh, a military friend of theirs is talking about how everyone's getting chipped. Military friends are popular these days. And, uh, Larry in Louisiana was saying he just talked to an E eight that got back from North Korea who said they're all getting their chips, got the same briefing.

You know, that's twilight zone folks, but you're not patriotic if you're against it. Let me tell you what the tactic is going to be. The globalists are going to blow stuff up and claim that anti-chipping, anti-biometric groups are doing it. And so if you're anti-chip, anti-world leader, you're with the terrorist. Larry, you can see the script, can't you? Yes, I see it. Exactly.

This is what I'm talking about when I say that this is just interactive, uh, improvisational storytelling. Yeah. Alex is just coming up with a story for them to get excited about on this day. Yes. I know exactly what you're talking about. Now, the globalists are scripting this stuff. So that's how I can predict it.

I know that this is what's going to happen. They're going to blow up stuff and blame it on the anti-chip people. Naturally. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Anti-chip people. Now, here's what's interesting.

What's interesting. Anti-chips. Oh, yeah. I haven't given it enough thought to really have a strong position on it, let's say. Sure. But whatever direction I would fall on it after giving it some thought, I'd have a pretty coherent position on it. Yeah.

I would, I would want a couple of assurances like mind control. First question. Are you going to mind control me? Right? You can't ask that. I've got to ask that. What else would I ask? Well, what?

I mean, obviously the answer is going to be no, even if it's yes. Yeah. But I got to look them in the eyes. Right. I'll know if they're lying. They're evil. Exactly. You got to look into the evil eye and then I can tell.

Yeah. Sure. Mind control. No good. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, mind control. Electroshocks.

No good. No. I think I'd be fine with a little electroshock here and there, you know, but as long as it's not somebody doing something, doing it for weird reasons, I think you're going to have to really litigate what's weird. Well, again, we're going to sit here. We're going to talk about it. I'm going to look them in their evil eyes and we're going to hand it out.

Our next bonus episode can be going over the conditions under which you approve of champs. Exactly. Well, I'll have it. I'll have a full really work this out right out of contract, but for Alex, he's supposed to be totally against it. Yes. He thinks that it's like the mark of beasts.

It's the mark of the beast. Unfortunately, he's inconsistent as hell to be on the army. They want someone who will take a microchip. I mean, I am some weird one. You know, you could see special forces getting one, but no, the entire troops all for their identification. No, no, this is setting the precedent. Wait, so, but why wouldn't special forces getting a peace setting a precedent?

Well, you got to mind control special forces, Dan. But you understand. This is silly. This is nonsense. I am staunchly opposed to giving microchips to people in the military and less there in special forces. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously you want green berets to have computer chips.

That's just, that just makes perfect sense. I don't understand why I don't get what the relevant differences between people in special forces. If the argument is that Alex is trying to make, which is a big part, which is they give it to the military, that normalizes it. So then it becomes something that goes to the citizens. Right. Now you could just take one step further and be like, they give it to special forces that

normalizes it for the military and that normalizes for the population. Slippery slopes only work if you start where I say this topic doesn't make sense. Oh, no, just because we're starting in the middle of the slippery slope, meaning that we've already had to go from somewhere to get to this is pretty dumb. Yeah. So 2003 was a very different time in the anti vaccination community. Oh, that's good. No, it wasn't.

No, I didn't think so. It wasn't great then either. I doubted it. So some of these ideas about autism links with vaccination and like mercury. And the preservatives. Yes. Yeah. It was a little bit less uniform in the anti-vax community.

Right. They hadn't had a lot of the other, let's say maybe even stupider ideas shot down. Right. Right. Was this Jenny McCarthy was this is after she had come out positive about her timeline. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that either.

I'm not sure, but I do know that at this point there are anti-vax proponents who are making the argument that mercury in the preservatives is has a link to autism. Sure. Sure. Now, at this point, Alex doesn't think that Alex is trying to stake a claim on something weirder. Okay. Anti-vaccination.

All right. Okay. He will not stand by today. I don't think. Okay. Okay. Boy believes a mercury based preservative added to the vaccines during the nineties may have caused the autism.

Uh-uh. That's the cover story. The hormone designed in a brain development hormone to attack cerebral cortex development. Most of you just get an IQ reduction that compromise immune systems get severely retarded or autistic. Oh, that's a little gift from your government. So Alex doesn't say what this hormone is and I'm not sure. Yeah.

I'm not going to go on a wild goose chase and then just assume that I found whatever he's talking about. But if he does get into this, we'll talk about it in greater depth. Yeah. So the argument is being put forth to him that there is mercury in the vaccines and stuff and this is, you know, that is pretty close to his current position on anti-vaccination. Right. Right.

Right. That is safe territory for him now. Sure. But back then he didn't have that. He wanted another. Yeah. He wanted his own version. Yeah.

He had to jump it up. Yeah. It wasn't just a mercury which is a natural. That's the cover. Yeah. Yeah. It's a naturally occurring element. You can drink gallons of that stuff.

They're fucking with you. Yeah. Yeah. No. What it is, is they grow hormones in labs for brains to then put in there and that's what does it. Yeah. I think that's interesting.

I would like to know what he feels about this now. That would be interesting. He still believes that there's some weird hormone that's actually behind. And I wonder if you'd like to interview some of his weird anti-vax friends about that. Oh, that would be interesting. See if they stay out to buy that. Yeah. What do you got?

So Alex gets a call. This made me so happy. God damn, did this make me happy. Was this back when Young Man Housephone was around? No. Oh. This caller is the same person who called and Alex argued with him about the Republic of Texas.

Okay. Okay. Alex is clearly annoyed with this guy. Sure. And you don't really get, like, it doesn't become clear that Alex knows who he's talking to until the end of this clip and that's when it just, this is great. Okay. This is just so good.

This guy, when this crap goes down, this bad stuff goes down, we need these people on our side. So just real quick, as a sort of introduction, this caller has said that he took one of Alex's films to the Aspen Sheriff's Department and he woke up the sheriff and everybody on the force. And so, like, now Aspen. That really does sound like it happens though, doesn't it? I don't think so.

It feels like that's how they get, yeah. I think it might happen where someone is like, hey, do you watch that DVD, blew my mind, man. Real good. There we go. So anyway, that's what the beginning of this call is. What we do, I mean, I have nothing against police. Constitutionalist and standing against the New World Order and the deception, the lies

and the fraud. I hardly agree with you. What you did was just so, is this Aspen, Texas or Aspen, Colorado? It's Aspen, the Republic of Texas. They call it Colorado, but it still belongs to the Republic of Texas. No, I understand. But the Northwest Territory. So where is this in Texas?

This, this is up in the Rocky Mountain. Yeah, that's what I said. Is this in Texas or is this in Colorado? Well, they call it Colorado, but I understand, sir, but it belongs. Okay. Okay, Alex. No, okay. I know.

I think you called about this earlier a few days ago. He did. I like the thread that's going through these episodes that I'm getting to enjoy where Alex is pissed off by Republic of Texas. It is. It is nice. I do appreciate that because he has this whole thing. It's like, you know, Texas is its own country.

Right. It could secede, but these other people are like, yeah, Texas is a country and it involves a bunch of place to the North. Yes, I do. I do. We got most of New Mexico, Colorado. I don't appreciate how that community is still allowed to have people that are too far out there.

Y'all are crazy. Don't judge them for being like, and also the Northwest Territory is ours too. You are mad because your ideas look just as ridiculous as theirs and theirs make you feel ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. I think that is a part of it. Yeah.

And I think that something that I really enjoy is Alex's ability to sort of play with the guy. Yeah, that's true. Like Alex could not do that now. No. The idea of him sitting there and being like, is that aspen, Texas or aspen, Colorado? Him doubling down on like, Hey man, hey, just, just go ahead and say exactly what you and I both know you're about to say.

I recognize your voice. Yeah. You know that you're the guy who pisses me off about the Republic of Texas. Yep. Yep. So I'm going to ask you this leaded question. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.

Aspen. As I know, I've heard a name of Aspen before in a, is that a city in Colorado, buddy? Nope. Texas. No. Texas. So we get another caller and this fella is really lauding Alex, been lauding him. Nice.

Opposition to the Patriot Act. Yes. And so there's, there have been some places that have passed resolutions, some cities, city councils and what have you. If you listen closely to this clip though, this caller is congratulating Alex for doing something that he himself is literally saying was done by communists. Well, the Democrat socialist Steve Leal, the resolution's primary sponsor on the city said if the EPA were talking about lessening water's quality standards, we'd think it was

a city issue. Right. If they're polluting our rights, it is also a city issue. So this guy, you know, you did some good and I wanted to commend you on it and you know, they got your resolution because I, I know at least a dozen people that send their resolution, your resolution to the city council, also to the county. And so you got some positive results and we want to thank you for it and you know, I'm really proud that my communist city government decided to support the constitution of the

United States. Oh, isn't that cute? He's calling these people, super left socialist who wrote the resolution. You can't do that. And the communist government passed it, but somehow Alex is responsible for this. It's outrageous. This is, this is kind of amazing. That's, that's, you know what?

I get it. I get it. Every time something good happens, it's because of the left ideas, but you can't just allow the work that's done by actual activists primarily on the left is sometimes yelled about and taken credit for by people who yell like Alex. Yeah. I mean, like that's all he does. He just yells.

Yeah. No, once something becomes popular and then it's the conservatives who did it, you know, like, oh man, social security, Medicare, we can't let that stuff get out of hand. Yeah. I mean, naturally, when it was being passed, we would have called it a communist land grab trying to kill us all and steal our money. But now that it has, now that we have it and it works, wow, it's our favorite program. Yeah.

Yeah. There is that phenomenon. Yep. So Alex towards the end of this episode gets a little bit into his own head and he's talking a bit about how like people ask him why he's not dead, fighting the globalists and whatever you, um, and he talks about being ready to die for freedom. Hmm. I mean, if they put a gun to my head right now and said, renounce freedom, renounce your

family, renounce God, I will kill you. I, I'd say pull the trigger, bud. I mean, I would go ahead. It's remarkable how that's almost exactly mirrored by if someone had a gun to my head and told me to denounce Trump, yeah, I'd say pull the trigger, yeah, freedom, God family all that just sort of trouble boy. It's kind of depressing. It's super depressing.

So you have one last clip, Jordan. And in this clip, Alex is in a bit of a rant about, uh, being alive, right? And he has felt things. I suppose that I will accept that as a premise. And I think that this is getting a little bit closer to that territory of religiosity. Okay. That we might be keeping our finger on the pulse. That sounds right.

If you don't know how evil they are, if you aren't burning with desire to expose the new order, your nuts. And if we just have this upfront, ready to sacrifice, ready to stand up out of tune about defending America, this new order would not be here. We become fat and decadent and always about the next pleasure. And so we're dead on the inside. So you know what? I have really lived.

I can say that I have lived. I have been so alive. It hurts. Okay. I have had understandings that are painful. I have plumbed the depths of the new world order. I can't even articulate it. And I know a lot of you have to, and you have perspectives that I don't have a lot of you're

smarter than I am. But I know this. I am on my course and I'll tell you this, we're a lot safer standing up and speaking out and being bold and depending on God's preservation, depending on God's providence and God is real. I have had experiences. I know God is real. I have faith and God isn't on the 700 club folks.

I'm sorry to tell you. God isn't in these big churches. I'm sorry. It's not folks. God is in your heart. If you simply let him in, and that's what we're talking about here and I'm telling you, if you don't hate evil and are not disgusted by it, something is wrong with you and you are not alive.

There is not even a question. Frankly, there is not even temptation anymore. When you go this far into the fight against the New World Order, it is a total commitment. You will be so alive, it will completely consume your life because you will be fighting pure evil. You must join in the fight against the New World Order. That's one of the things that I always love, the idea that Alex brings out that it's like, I no longer feel human emotions.

Yeah, yeah. I have no longer drawn to sin. I have progressed beyond that which other mortal men know. Because the fight on the globalist is so strong in the New World Order. I found that clip to be really on the line because I do think an argument can still be made that a lot of that is, you know, it's just kind of christian-ish. Yeah, I think that's- God's in your heart.

He's not in the 700 Club. That's not as extremist, certainly, as a lot of the stuff we hear. More recent days. Right. And when he says that you're up against pure evil, that could still be metaphorical flourish as opposed to what we know he believes now, which is literal demons invading people. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, that is true. I do think that should come out much sooner in a conversation and it should be something that you have to lead with. If you're doing Alex's show, you should have to lead with like, I believe that our political enemies are literally controlled by the devil like every day. Just like if when I meet somebody, they're like, you should have to tell me if you believe that the biblical flood story is 100% true. And then I can be like, okay, fine, then you don't get an opinion on vaccines.

You know, like just get it out of the way so we can move forward. I don't need to know anything else about you. I think it's more like a situation where if you're gonna like, let's say, start dating somebody or whatever and they don't tell you that they think the earth is flat, it's a way- Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's rude. That's kind of irresponsible.

That's rude. Alex, as a person who's conveying information, I think it is, it is relevant if you believe that the devil is behind the gears of your enemies. I think you should be upfront about it because it gives people the ability to consider that in the totality of the information you're presented. Totally, totally. And taking it more seriously. I honestly can't quite tell yet.

Yeah. No, I agree. I've heard- But there's more indications than I was expecting. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I think it's probably not coincidental that this God is real, God is there, is at the end of his episode.

Right, right, right. I don't think that he would leave the episode with it. No, I would not. I think that's there for the stalwarts, the people who are in. Yeah, if you have a disclaimer for like a video game trailer that's like, some scenes are not actual gameplay, you should at least have to have a disclaimer for like, also believes that the devil is real. You know, like, that should be there somewhere.

I mean, his bumpers coming in from break are like, you know, like, do you want to fight corruption? Well, so does he. Like, that's not what this is about. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Do you believe that you're a crusader against the literal Christian devil? That's the show.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, then now we get it. Do you think that demons jump into people and make them go, bleh? Yes. Yes, I do, sir.

I will listen. Well, so does Alex. Yes, there we go. Yeah. I don't know. It's an interesting, it's an interesting progression and I'm fascinated by this and this is so much more listenable in the past. Like it's totally, totally, it's, it's absolutely, and these callers are weirdos in a fun way.

It seems like a show. Yeah. It seems like a show. Yeah. What we listen to now is not a show. Well, that is just a man unraveling. Well, you know, too, like one of the things that's really fun and creates comedic tension in like, Frasier is that some of the callers are annoying.

Yes. Of course. Yeah. That's the fun of a Colin show. You don't know what you're going to get. Yeah. It's this Republic of Texas person keeps annoying. That's so funny.

And yeah, I enjoy that. And I hope that every episode I listen to, he gets into a fight with somebody who believes just slightly the wrong thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just, oh man, it's so ridiculous that you think that the Magna Carta is still the law of the land unless you're in capital letters and it's a corporation.

Now obviously the literal Christian devil is sending demons into people's brains to control their actions. Hmm. Dummy. Sure. Yeah. Um, anyway. Yeah.

Jordan. This has been an episode. Indeed it has. We will be back checking in on the present day. Sure. I believe on our next episode. But until then, we got a website. We do have a website, Dan.

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