Knowledge Fight - #560: May 12-13, 2003

Episode Date: May 23, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan dig into the past. In this installment, Alex Jones lies about a fascinating terrorism drill, lies about the story of a double-agent in the IRA, and gets dangerously close to seeming like he thought he was fighting the devil in 2003.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around talk about how great Celine is and also discuss Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan cult of Celine. We see I wasn't even going to bring attention to it that time. Harumph. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today?

My bright spot today Jordan is that I survived an ordeal that would destroy a lesser version of myself. Oh yes. And that is that the other night I ordered some food for delivery and I went downstairs to get it and I locked myself out. Oh my God. Locked myself out of the house at about nine thirty in the evening and I was terrified because I didn't have my keys. I know my landlord's not going to come over. I don't even know who my landlord is. No absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no way. Let me in. I can't break into my window because it's not on the bottom floor. Third floor third floor is trouble. I don't think that I have that kind of parkour ability to scale the building. It would be difficult. And so I was looking at the neighbor's windows which is never

great and they're all dark. Everything is sure. I'm like I'm not going to hit the buzzer and like wake somebody up. Right. That seems like too much. Could be. So I walked around the side of the building and I saw someone's TV on and I hit the buzzer and thankfully they buzzed me it. But I was so terrified that I was like, well, great. I've got my food but now I guess I'll be... Well, at least you wouldn't starve out there. I was going to be eating and sleeping out on the in the alley tonight. It was a warm night. It wasn't too bad. Yeah, that's true. And that might have been part of the reason why I forgot my keys. That could have been. Because it was just sort of like, hey. Did you put your shoes on? I think I had sandals. How dare you? How dare you? I know you're not a

not a fan of slippers. No open dude shoes. It's not open toe. It's closed. Okay. Close toe. All right. So what about you? My bright spot, Dan, is currently, as we speak, goes the Eurovision song contest. I know every year you get very excited about, what the fuck? No, you don't. No, I don't. No, I've never really even watched it before. But this is the first time that I've really decided to dig in and watch some Eurovision. Sure. And it is just universally terrible music. But the pageantry is really, really bad. But they're given an airplane hanger to do whatever they want with and they create some ridiculous spectacles. And from what I understand, I don't know too much about Eurovision. But from what I understand, it gets pretty serious like country

against country. Yeah. Everybody's cheering. Yeah. Most everybody is doing like, you know how Americans invented good music? They're all doing that. But you know, through their like, through their own lens, that kind of thing. But some countries do like their own shit, you know, like traditional stuff. And it's really, really good. But just with added auto. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything else is garbage. Nobody has a good baseline. It's just tragic. Oh, that's too bad. Man, there's light shows everywhere. Well, that's great. So Jordan, today, speaking of light shows, okay, I would like to let you look into my disco ball. It is actually a time machine. All right. Okay, we're going back in time. Disco ball beer. Where are we off to today, Mr. Peabody? Well,

today we are going to May 12th and 13th, 2003. Okay. Continuing back in our exploration of Alex Jones in 2003 and seeing primarily what he's all about. What are some similarities? What are some differences? Where's the devil at? I mean, that's definitely one of the biggest questions. Sure. Does Alex Jones believe he's fighting the devil in 2003? Has his ultimate enemy been revealed to him yet? Yes. Or have the prophecies that he received in his dreams been a little bit muddle? And a secondary element of that question is, does Alex believe he's fighting the devil and actively try to hide that from his presentation in order to be taken more seriously at this point in his career? Right. Right. And at this point, you know, we started

the beginning of May, 2003, and we're now, you know, coming to the middle of the month. And I think it's still an open question. And we'll learn a little bit more today. All right. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some wonks. Oh, that's a good idea. So first, if I become a policy wonk, do I get to see exclusive pictures of Celine being excessively cute? Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I'm not sure, but I will send a picture of Celine to Jordan so you can tweet it. Yeah, there are no exclusive pictures of Celine. No, but I could give you a cute picture and you could put it on Twitter. I'll take care of it. Next, Louis box. Thank you so much. You're now

a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Louis box. Thank you. Next, the morning Duke listening on Steve Pachennik's neon nips. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Terrifying nightmare that will never escape my brain. Next, Joe, my neighbors might think I actually listened to Alex. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next, I came here to say that you were this close to the joke. Not all heroes wear masks. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I like I like policy wonk names that are joke critiques. I really that one actually almost hits me in the gut a little bit. That one. That's a little bit like get off your high horse. Okay.

Next, escape son of a preacher man. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. The only one who could ever reach me was the escape son of a preacher. But next, scooter the corgi. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks. Thank you very much. And Jordan, even though we're in the past, I should say that something is happening in the present, but not just your vision, not just your vision. And that is that some people have some birthdays. So we become in 2021. I should tell you this weekend was Chaka block with with policy wonk birthdays. Sure. Sure. We got we got Heather M had a birthday happy birthday. Happy birthday. Throwback Zach had a birthday throwback Zach

and Ethan Mary sent a message wanted us to wish you a birthday over the weekend. Hope you hope you all happy birthday, Ethan. Yeah. All right. So Jordan, we start here on the 12th and it is a slug. It is a rough time at the beginning. But Alex gets around to some actual news, and that is where we will jump in. You can't judge these books by their covers. The LA Times, many textbooks, distort history, slamming the US and glorifying despotic regimes. Last week, the LA Times had an article saying McCarthy was right. What is going on? The liberal sound conservative. The conservative paper sound liberal. I mean, they're really scrambling things right now. So just a quick reminder, the LA Times editorial that Alex is talking about did not say

that McCarthy was right. No, it was in fact a scathing condemnation of McCarthy and his tactics and a plea not to throw out all opposition to communism just based on how big a piece of shit he was. So maybe journalistic outlets aren't as topsy turvy as he's presenting it. Well, I mean, if you just make assumptions based on headlines and what you think things are, maybe topsy turvy. So I was able to find this article that Alex is talking about in the LA Times about textbooks. It's by Diane Ravitch, an author whose work is almost exclusively about education-related issues. The first thing to point out is that this, much like the other article Alex cites, is an editorial. Ravitch is writing in the first person, and it's not a piece of straight reporting.

Around this time in history, Ravitch had just released a book titled The Language Police, How Pressure Groups Restrict What Students Learn. The book was about how fear of igniting controversy from both left and right-wing pressure groups has led to textbooks that give students an incomplete view of subjects like history and literature. In her article for the time, she says, quote, the textbooks go out of their way to sanitize the very practices in non-western cultures that they rightly condemn in our society. For instance, every textbook acknowledges that the enslavement of Africans by the West was a great crime. However, when describing slavery in the Middle East or Africa, many claim that it was a path to upward career mobility or a chance to join

a new family. Slavery is wrong in any time and place and should be recognized as such. That's a fair enough point, but I want to make sure that we illuminate how this criticism is different than that that's lobbied by someone like Alex. Alex doesn't want all cultures to be represented accurately and with proper historical context. He would want the Middle Eastern or African slavery discussed, but he would also want the textbooks to ignore American slavery, or if they had to cover it, the focus should be on how America actually ended slavery. No, it was if it weren't for white people, we never would have ended slavery. Everybody knows this. Ravich is pointing out certain textbooks that she's read that are lazy. Alex just doesn't

want history to make him feel bad. It would make him feel really bad. It would make him feel really bad. It's a very specific difference. Yeah, yeah. You know, if you're quoting Thomas Jefferson incorrectly all the time, but it's like, Hey, I'm Thomas Jefferson. I love having slaves. It made you feel like maybe the founding fathers weren't very smart. Yeah. Also, I suspect that Alex wouldn't like this paragraph in the Times article, quote, the history's treatment of religion is scandalous. The origin stories of each religion are recounted as if they were documented history rather than religious myths. Many publishers have multicultural advisory boards to ensure the textbooks contain only positive facts about religion or ethnic groups. I suspect that Alex

didn't read the whole article since he definitely would not like the suggestion that his religious beliefs are a myth. Also, that clip that we listen to is like a half hour into the show. It's a real, it was walking through molasses. Yeah. Yeah, that's not good. It was tough. That's not good. But it started up fast after half an hour and he got into some like really interesting stuff that like when I when I think about like going back in time and looking at these episodes, this is such a good example of like being able to go in different directions from things that Alex says and learning about interesting stuff like this. This is now in the Belfast Telegraph. It is in the BBC. It is in the London Guardian. Top double-agent IRA guilty of up to 40 murders.

Turns out that the top man in the IRA carrying out the bombings, the killings, the shootings, everything, as we told you last year, was MI5 slash 6, ultra-secret agent. Okay. All right. So what's going on here is that Alex is glossing over an amazing story just to make it valuable to his worldview when in fact it doesn't really work at all. The IRA member in question here is a double-agent for British intelligence codenamed Stakeknife. He denies that any of this is not as cool as you made it sound codenamed Stakeknife. No, that sucks. That would be terrible. I don't want to be codenamed Stakeknife. It's S-T-A-K-E. That's even worse. I don't want to be a pun.

Whatever. Okay. So he denies that any of this is true, but it's widely understood that this was a man named Freddie Scappatici. And if his denial isn't a lie, his story is bananas. So there's a great piece about this by James Harkin in GQ that I'm taking a lot of the background information for. And I would recommend people check out that article. Okay, cool. Apparently, in the late 1970s, Scappatici met an army sergeant named Peter Jones, a guy who's so charismatic that his superiors, quote, allowed him to wear civilian clothes, don a beard, and develop his own sources. So he was Sergeant Bilko. Somehow, through the magic of charm and booze,

even though Jones worked for the British Army and Scappatici was in the IRA, they forged a friendship that resulted in Scappatici becoming a mole. Wow. This is a real Romeo and Juliet situation. Yeah. This is kind of a yeah. Yeah. I like it. So by this point, the IRA had become a slightly smaller organization, which was aware that they were spies trying to infiltrate their ranks and become snitches. As such, they put together a counterintelligence team, which was meant to root out any potential spies from Harkin's article, quote, by the mid 1980s, Scappatici was the deputy head of internal security and a trusted member of its general headquarters staff. This story happened so many goddamn times.

Why are you always put in charge of your own investigation? Yeah. Essentially, through unconventional methods, the British government had cultivated a relationship with a double agent who was placed internally in a position that was almost comically strategic. It's just ridiculous. Get the fuck out of here. Their double agent was the guy in the IRA who was in charge of finding double agents. Unrealistic in a Bond movie. You get the fuck out of here. Yeah. So as is the case with all these sorts of spy related stories, everything is morally questionable. A lot of the story revolves around Scappatici killing or allowing people to be killed who could compromise his position as a double agent or people who they needed to protect in order to pursue goals of

like arresting higher up figures. Sure. And unfortunately, some of those people definitely got. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. It's messy business and no one's hands are clean. But depending on whose version of the story you believe, this is all made up according to Scappatici. Okay. Or Scappatici was responsible for helping disrupt multiple terrorist plots at a horrible cost. The accusation that Freddie Scappatici was steak knife came to light in 2003. And this became a big story as well. It should be. The important piece to recognize here though is that Alex is missing the forest for the trees. He deprives his audience of learning about this fascinating piece of history or from learning about the history of the IRA and the troubles because the headline works a different

way for him. This is a story about a very well placed double agent within the IRA. But to Alex, this can prove that MI six was running the IRA all along and the bombings and the attacks were all just false flags. That's an outrageous misuse of this story. And by reporting it this way, Alex is actually doing something worse than just ignoring the story altogether. He's creating a fake version of it for his audience to erroneously convince themselves they understand. He's like Aaron Sorkin. Even if all the allegations about Scappatici are correct and accurate, he wasn't the top man in the IRA and he wasn't the one carrying out the bombings. Alex is embellishing that element of the story because it helps him construct the impression that the world is all

fake and that everything you hear is a lie. It's a perversion of skepticism and curiosity. Yeah, that's, it is really a good, I mean, as far as storytelling goes, when you reduce it down into this kind of bullshit, you miss out on a very human story where people are making difficult decisions in moral gray areas where they're struggling to keep from being caught while at the same time struggling to show that they're trying to catch themselves. You know, like that's a really fascinating story. The MI6 already running the IRA is a really boring story actually. Yeah, but it's much easier. It explains, it has explanatory power over stuff that would be so, like it takes years of study. Sure. You could be a historian in a university, like with tenure,

and maybe not fully be able to explain it except over the course of a semester. Right, right, right. Well, I mean, it goes back again to how boring it is that your enemy is both everywhere running everything and is also so incompetent that you can defeat them at any and all times. Of course. That's a boring story. I don't care if Superman can always win and I don't care. Sure. You know, it's boring. I think, I think too, like what I was getting at is the like, it's very unsatisfying if you're a demagogue on the radio to be like, all right, let's buckle down and everybody take notes. This is going to take forever. It's going to require a lot of reading and research on your part. Instead cereal became a huge hit, but instead everybody, like just telling

people like it's all fake. The big boogeyman is running everything. Who cares? It's all these these globalists. Now cereal did become a huge hit. I don't, I don't know. I'm saying it does both. Never mind. I'm sorry. I don't know if that was a lecture. I was, I was playing both sides. I'm just fair enough. Yeah. Also, I should tell you this. Yes. In 2018, Freddy Scappatici's home was searched as part of an investigation into his role in the IRA, which didn't result in any murder charges, although he did plead guilty to having at least 329 images of animal porn on his computer. According to an article in the Irish Times, quote, Westminster's magistrates court heard Scappatici tell police that he was not sexually interested in animals, but preferred women with

big breasts. He was ordered to pay a total of 185 pounds, including court costs. Man. Okay. This is why, this is why journalism has a huge hole. And that is very intended. I now need to know what they mean by animal porn. I can't not know. It's, it's a pornography featuring animals. Yes, but I don't know what that means. The animal kingdom is large. How many is what are, but you know what I'm saying? Is it, I know, I know exactly what you're saying. I just don't share your curiosity. I just, I'm sorry, but I just, I'm sorry. You can't just, it's a curiosity now. Okay. I'm sorry. Let's see if we can get those court files for you. I don't want to see the court file. I don't want to see it. I just want to know. I'm sure they didn't reprint all

in the court files. This might be more specific. I would like, I would like, okay. I'll get transcripts of a description. I do not want to see it. I'd like to apologize that my research did not go deeper into this. I'm just saying this, this post script on a story. Okay. I'm just saying decency rules. Keep us from getting a full picture of the story and it shall continue. Okay. So Alex has used this story about the IRA double agent in order to justify that like everything is a false flag. All of the conflict in Northern Ireland was false flaggery and that the British just do it all and false flagging is a British trick, although it's been picked up by other people that Alex might love in the present day. This is a British trick. They have been

big in it before the Russians or the US were Putin. Of course Putin was caught blowing up or trying to blow up his fourth apartment building did blow up three of them. Moscow police arrested FSB in 99 planting the bombs and then Moscow GRU, their internal security force went in and arrested the police and others that have the hexagen explosives. They arrested members of the media and that story was shut down quite quickly, but that is confirmed and members of the FSB and others have now spoken out who fled the country, then Britain moved to have them arrested and shipped back to Vladimir Putin, who was the former head of the KGB in Stalingrad, Leningrad, St. Petersburg, whatever name you want to give it for the day, but it's now St. Petersburg,

the old name. And he was the guy really running things when they were pushing Boris Yeltsin around in a wheelchair completely drunk and drugged out of his mind who couldn't even speak. He's been running things for at least the last three years of Yeltsin's tenure. He was wildly unpopular. Suddenly three apartment buildings got blown up outside Moscow in the suburb. He cracked down said I will save you was a big hero and got elected with a large portion of the vote and then had a great war against the Chechnyans who screamed it's not us, it's you. Why would we bomb you and bring down your wrath? This is insane. So Alex seems to, in 2003, have a lot of reasons why he believes that did this. Yeah, we're very much in a he's mobbed

up. He's a front man for consortiums on the East Coast territory in terms of knowledge of crime. It's strange because I don't think that Alex is expressing like I think he did it. No, no. Alex is saying that like these people were arrested planting the bombs. It's been, you know, like sure. To him, it's definitive. Yeah. And somehow that has changed or he's just decided I don't care if someone false flags. I'll pretend they didn't because I like the way that they're strong manning. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess it's, you know, if everybody else is false flagging, then, you know, I might as well pick the guy who's doing it the best. No, we're doing it in such a way service of my hopeful white nationalism. Yes, perhaps. I mean,

like if he does truly believe that like, I mean, there's it's a short jump from everything is fake to nothing matters. Yeah. You know, like, that is a very good point. If everything is fake and everybody is false flagging everybody, then the ethical implications of pulling a false flag are really not that high. Yeah, that's true. It's really just what the result is. Right. So I could see Alex ethically being okay with false flagging in order to serve whatever interests he's most sure in line with. Yeah. I don't know that to be the case, but I could easily see that being something that he could subconsciously totally himself. I would, I would argue that there's zero possibility before Alex's life is over that he himself does not try and carry out some sort of

false flag. Sure. Sure. He's just going to like that's the narrative arc for him. Yeah. Yeah. I see him pulling a last season of House. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the whole thing. Yeah. So he had Steve Pochetic and ride motorcycles around. And they're hanging out with Aldo Moro. Yeah. Yeah. So less do you think that I am just saying that Alex thinks everything is fake. It's all out there mainstream news. We haven't found a terror attack in modern history, anywhere in the world of any size or scope that wasn't carried out by the globalist. When I say globalist, I'm talking about the private banks and their private armies that control the top cabals, the compartmentalized cabals in all the intelligence agencies.

So that doesn't sound like the devil. No, no. That's one thing. That's straight up globalists. And then secondarily, Alex seems to be convinced that literally everything is the globalist. It does seem to be. There are no real terrorist attacks. There is no real. That's that's in line. Yeah. I don't know if you would stand by that today, but that makes sense for the way he acts. Yeah. Yeah. Everything is fake. If you start from the position of everything is fake, that leaves you with way more options to occasionally accept things as being true. If you start with a position that some things are true, for instance, Putin bombed his own buildings, then eventually you're going to have to change

your opinion, whatever you change your opinion about Putin. And for normal people with shame, that's no good. That's no good. Yeah. And I think that Alex is so sneaky that like when he says like everything is fake, there's so many different versions of fake that he has in his mind that like you're like, okay, well, the event actually happened and it wasn't orchestrated, but because they knew about the drugging in advance, they would already prepared for somebody was on mind control. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So this, this clip actually got me into an interesting headspace. Okay. The average person in the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI, even the White House is a good person. The average Democrat, the average Republican might be corrupt. It might be a good old boy,

but compared to the cabals that run things, they are nothing. And let's make this clear that we have just a few thousand globalists and a few thousand operatives who are carrying all of this out. And then they have the scripts for the media with the media ownership. They follow the agenda. We have the power to save this country and yes, the world if we're have courage and stand up until the truth that clip really helped me put into context why it's so much less painful to listen to Alex's show in 2003 as compared to the present day. And that is there's a presentation of hope. In 2003, most people, Democrats and Republicans, even people who work in the intelligence community or in the White House are good people. It's just

a couple thousand villains who are secretly orchestrating literally every terrorist attack in the world and running all governments and financial systems. It's ludicrous, but from the standpoint of gauging emotional states, there is a perspective of optimism that you can kind of feel in the program. Compare that to the modern day where Alex's show is just fucking doom. In this clip alone, you have a reminder that most people are good people and a confident assertion that there's a good chance that the world can be saved. Both of these are completely foreign concepts to Alex today. Everyone who disagrees with him is a pedophile who works for Satan. And even if the Patriots are successful, the globalists are still going to kill almost everyone

with a super bio weapon or whatever he feels like ranting about that day. Part of the reason his show sucks so much in 2021 is that it's actively depressing. Not just in the sense that it's depressing that someone would believe the nonsense that he says, but the way the show is structured and the way information is conveyed is a fucking drag. I don't believe Alex when he talks about courage or honesty, but I think that he might respect human life in 2003. Yeah. I mean, here's what I would say. All right. I don't think any show should last longer than, say, 10 years. Because here's what we're getting. This is what's happening. Iron Man, you're just fighting Hobo Diocese. That's the first movie. You're just fighting some other

guy. It's a real small self-contained story. 20 years later, half of the universe is disappeared. You know what I'm saying? It's the problem of escalation. It's like the Simpsons. They're talking about a family. And then 10 years later, it's like the Simpsons are going to the moon. And it's like, because you just can't keep going at the same level. But what would happen if the Simpsons went to the moon? I think everyone wants to know. I think everybody does want to know. But eventually you're going to have to say that everybody's going to die. If you start out with, there's a few thousand people. 20 years later, everybody has to die. It's just, yeah. I think that you're right when it's... I don't know if

it's universal, but narrative fiction does have that way of running into a problem of like, well, we've told this story already. What other story are we going to tell? What is Info Wars but improvise narrative fiction? No, I agree. And I think that that is the same problem that Alex is running into. How do you keep people excited? Exactly. Because I think that you can have other things like the McNeill Lair hour didn't go into it. Sure, sure. I realized Carson was on the air for a while. Yeah. There's other forms of entertainment that don't have the same escalatory problem. Nope. Everything is faulty towers. The end two seasons get out. So here is a nice example of the continuing threat of Alex being wrong in a way that he will soon learn is wrong.

And they are appointing back party leaders to almost every position. The people trained by the CIA and torture, espionage, oppression in the seventies and eighties. It is a CIA government. They're appointing the scum again in Iraq. So we've got these really consistent things that keep coming up on every show like Putin bombed the apartment buildings and they're putting the bath party CIA agents in power. I know it sounds like I'm beating a dead horse here, but like, it's constant. It's not like he's saying it every other minute, but it's a show. These things are touched on. Yeah. Yeah. And they're both not at all. Well, one's just inaccurate. Yeah. And then the other one is something that is exactly the opposite of what Alex would later believe. Yeah.

He doesn't know. We don't know yet that debathification is beginning. Right. So I believe I believe we're another week or so off of when that conversation starts. Yeah. I mean, it's close though. Yeah. It's in, I believe it's in May or roundabouts in 2003. See now, this is one thing that is so frustrating about Alex is that on that day that he does find out, I would like him to find out on air and I would like him to deflate like a balloon, you know, somebody to prick him and he just goes like that, but he's not going to do that. He's just going to include it in some other part of simple. He's going to say no. They're doing it publicly to get rid of baths to make you forget that they're actually putting the CIA people in there. It's unfortunate. I want him

deflated. This is, this is, this is wild. I mean, we're on May 12th here and I just looked this up and the first coalition provisional authority announcement that started the process of debathification. This is the 16th. So we're four days away from, from this as we look at Alex's absolutely wild. Yeah. So I guess we'll, you know, on a pretty soon episode, we'll, we'll find out how he pivots. I don't know. I don't know. I'm a little bit older than you. And so 2003, I was a adult. Yeah, I was not. I was a dignified. I was not. No, but I remember the conversation about freedom fries. Yes. Oh, I won't forget that one and freedom toast. Yep. I wasn't even adult yet. And I knew that was fucking stupid. People, particularly two members who are Republicans

in the house got mad about French fries and French toast being served in the cafeteria because of course France had not agreed to join in with the, the invasion of Iraq and they were cowards. Yeah. It's never not going to be surprising that we are governed by children. Yeah. Yeah. To Alex's credit. He also thinks that whole freedom fry thing was stupid. Good for him. Although Mexico opposed the war. Well, why aren't you mad at them if you're mad at France? Oh, we can't do million Muslims, by the way, in it. You know why they said no, they'd get attacked. They didn't. They're internal population. It's just reached new levels of ridiculousness. Jeremy and Indiana, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Go ahead. That's not

great. That's not cool. I didn't even know there could be a racist reason for that being stupid. Yeah. It's stupid because it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. It's a Belgian waffle. Even if Belgium doesn't appreciate what you're doing, it doesn't matter. It's stupid on its face because it doesn't mean anything. It's an empty, meaningless, pointless gesture. It's not somehow the cause of racism. Or you said like, how is that possible? All things considered, I think I would rather deal with freedom fries and freedom toast than someone like Alex who's perpetuating the idea that France made this geopolitical decision to not get involved in the Iraq war at that point because they were afraid of Muslim French people

attacking. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's deeply Islamophobic and terrifying. I mean, and it's at a point in his career when he has the presentation of not being anti-Muslim. He's certainly not as aggressively anti-Muslim as he is in the present, but it seems like those latent things are there. Definitely. Clearly. Definitely. That's that's the level of shit where you're like, there's just no way you won't take it back to racism. Just like, you know, I think I think I need a new coffee maker. Well, that's because of it. I don't want to know why it's because of I just it's because my other one broke. There's no other. There's no other reason. The other one just broke. There's no people behind. Are you sure it's not the Turks?

No, damn it. They're really involved in coffee. There's no reason to be racist about this. So one thing that I wish that I had musical ability, because if I did long ago, I would have made a bumper kind of sting sound for the Alex telling a story that totally happened. Sure. Sure. Totally happened because we get we get them all over the place throughout his career. At any point, you're gonna hear stories that definitely happened. All right. Cue me right before you play the clip. All right, right now. Alex's true story. You know, I have state police majors walk up to me. I walk into the cleaners. I randomly pull in to get my laundry. Oh, I put it in two weeks ago. You saw what I'm saying is it wasn't some stage deal where the where the major

in the state police was waiting to talk to me. I'm driving back from the from the studio. A couple months ago, decide to pull in to get my laundry just randomly. And there's a state police officer in there getting his uniforms. He goes, Mr. Jones, you come outside, please. He goes, we were raised that this was the Soviet Union. We know something's wrong. The things were being told are incredible. And I go, how many of you are awake? And he goes, most of the senior officers know something is wrong, Mr. Jones. DPS intelligence is fully aware of what's happening. And he goes, we know this isn't a conservative administration. I mean, you know, cops come up to me at the mall. They're doing security and tell me they know what's happening

with a tear in their eyes. These these cops that was Alex's true story. They come up to me at the mall crying, telling me Bush isn't conservative weekend. Alex Jones, please free us from the Soviet Union. We were raised in. I saw your your eyes get a little confused when he was talking about his laundry. And I was a little bit confused as well. But I realized that maybe he's talking about like dry cleaning. Yeah, I was assuming dry. Yeah. Yeah, I was totally assuming that. But it's weird to drop off laundry. It's a strange random thing to do. The time frame is really what was worrying to me. That's true. So yeah, this didn't happen. So Alex takes a call at this point in the show. And this this was this was interesting. This introduces a large theme that will run

throughout the next couple days. One more thing you don't mind. Sure. These drills today that they're going to be doing in about 15 minutes, I guess. Yeah, the fake fake radiation attack in Seattle stuff in Chicago, all training it to be a federal slave. These are supposed to take place for five days and raise the alert level, I'm told. Well, yes, now during the drills, they're going to raise the alert level. Amber Alert will be flashing report down owners report terrorist. Yes. And is this going to continue on for five days? And are they going to treat us? Are they going to basically put us under martial law for this? Or is this what this is? Yes, this is a practice drill for martial law. When we get back, I will read you the article. This is a bad answer

on Alex's part. But I kind of see what he meant. Alex meant that this drill was a part of preparing the public for martial law. But what the caller was asking was whether or not the drill would continue past day five into day six and day seven and so on. Would the drill be how martial law literally started? That was the question that was being asked. Sure. By replying in the affirmative, Alex was essentially telling this guy that this drill was the beginning of enslavement, which is really bad. It's hard for me to imagine that Alex misunderstood the question, except in the case that he wasn't listening at all, which is totally possible. Most likely. So I found the after action report for this drill released by the Washington State Department of Health.

This drill was called Top Off 2 and it was meant to simulate a WMD attack simultaneously hitting multiple cities. It began with a bioterrorist attack in Chicago and a dirty bomb going off in Seattle. In addition to these challenges, quote, a cyber event affecting the state's communication infrastructure hit the week before. To further complicate the situation, a hostile takeover of the Washington State Ferry and a hostage event in Pierce County south of Seattle were included. That probably seems like overkill, but that's the point. As the report explicitly says, quote, in all, the event was meant to overwhelm local, state and federal agencies with the goal of finding ways to improve preparedness, response and recovery capabilities in the future. The goal

was to create a fake situation that was too much to handle so you can stress test in a fake situation instead of a real one. This bucket's not done. We're going to fill it full of water to find out where the fucking holes are. Yep. Yeah. This simulation taught the Washington State Department of Health a bunch of important lessons. For instance, they learned that their radiological monitoring and assessment center had no reason to be on site since it, quote, became mired in the response organization, which limited its ability to fully perform its work in offsite areas. That's a pretty important lesson, but probably less critical than them learning that the infrastructure they had in place to transmit bulk data was insufficient to

handle the needs they faced in an emergency. Maps and data tables that were critical to get to decision makers were not effectively transmitted given their existing setup, which is a huge issue that they were able to identify from this. Turns out, turns out using the pony express is not going to do it. Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize. Another thing that's important to understand is that this is just the after action report for the Washington State Department of Health. They didn't run the simulation. They were just one of the groups participating in it. Each entity that took part, they played different roles in the simulation and they faced different challenges and each came away with their own lessons, their own gaps in planning that they could resolve.

I found the after action summary for the entire exercise from the Department of Homeland Security and the Washington Department of Health is just one of 47 state or local agencies that took part in the drill, along with 41 federal agencies and 21 agencies from Canada that got involved because that bio attack that hit Chicago, it ended up spreading to Canada. God damn it, Canada. Yeah. I was reading over this summary and there's an amazing piece on page eight where the exercise ended up teaching everyone who participated about the actual definitions that are in the Stafford Act, which covers how federal assistance is deployed to states in an emergency. They found. I know we were supposed to read it before. I know. No, they had read it,

but it clarified a definition because they hadn't roleplayed this thing. Sure, sure, sure. They found that as it was written, a terrorist bio attack, quote, does not clearly fit the existing definition of a disaster by the act. This made it so the president couldn't issue a declaration of a disaster in the drill, but instead the secretary of HHS could only declare a public health emergency. They didn't realize this beforehand from the report, quote, these two declarations illustrated some of the subtleties of the Stafford Act that may not have been fully appreciated before the exercise. Sure, sure. There's a ton of value to organizations preparing like this, using fake disasters to learn how to respond better to real disasters. This exercise was

followed by top off three, which took place in 2005 and expanded to fully include exercises being run by the Canadian and UK governments in, in collaboration. In that scenario, they came up with 15 scary terrorist ideas and chose three to simulate. There was a terrorist release of a mnemonic plague in New Jersey, a mustard gas IED attack in Connecticut, and then the events in the UK and Canada, which this report doesn't specify. And that really pissed me off because I want to know what games. Yeah, I want to figure it out. Yeah, absolutely. This was followed by top off four in 2010. And as of yet, this series of scenario planning exercises has not resulted in martial law. You would think that if Alex's whole thing about how the globalists use these exercises

to launch their evil plans or something had any merit, one of these would have resulted in something more nefarious than government employees learning things. Yeah. And honestly, I love reading these reports because it's like, this would be my best day at work. If I worked in these areas, like it would be so much fun. Totally. It's the day at school where they're like, okay, today we're going to play heads up seven up. You're like, yes, that's my favorite day in school. Yeah, totally. Or there was this thing called CASA in, in Missouri, in Columbia. It was the Columbia Aeronautic and Space Association. Okay. And so what they would do is they would have students come and we would simulate running spacecraft. Oh, that's cool as shit. Yeah.

And so one of the stations was, my memories of this are a little bit spotty, but one of the stations was made to look like the actual shuttle. And so you're in there and you'd have some responsibilities. Yeah. Another one was command, command center. And so you were like, you're Kobayashi marooing it. Sure. Yeah. And I remember that being, that's a day that sticks out to me in my head from like my entire elementary school career because of just the excitement of going and like role playing this scenario of like trying to make sure that we were able to communicate between the two. And they, you know, obviously throw some curveballs, like something's wrong. Yeah, of course. You've got to fix something. Yeah, it's exciting. So much fun. Yeah, we had a,

we had a small, like six foot tall inflatable planetarium. You could see the stars. Not quite as fun. Not. No. No, it wasn't. So I don't know. I got, I got really into this and I got furious that the Canadian and Bukie scenarios. Yeah, that sounds pretty document because I was like, I want to know what they were facing. I kind of want to see if we can orchestrate like a giant national role playing game where we just play the exact same thing, but we're people inside of the simulations and we have to act like we're all dying. One thing, one thing that I found that I actually kind of took a little bit of issue with was that prior to this, there was an exercise, the original top off exercise. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And that one was unannounced.

And so people didn't know it was happening. And I would say they've learned a lot of lessons from top off over the years. The other ones were announced ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know why they would do it unannounced. Like, I mean, everyone who was participating knew. Yeah, but I mean that happened with the fucking United States Army in Russia during the Cold War. They were like, let's simulate bombing Russia and let's not tell Russia about it. You know, they're dumb people. It seems like not a wise. It seems like a possibility for trouble. Yeah. Anyway, Alex gets another caller and this guy brings up a question about 9 11. And I found this to be troubling. Well, you know, there's one question about the 9 11. I just got your DVD last Friday. I've only

gone through it slowly. I'm an alcohol home apart. But let me ask you, you say over and over again, okay, there's a CIA type of trained people, correct? Yes. These types of people don't commit suicide. Well, let me explain that. We believe all the evidence says those people weren't even on those aircraft. You know, most of the hijackers have been found alive. Stay there. We'll talk about all that now. This is a great indicator of how seriously Alex takes research into what's supposed to be his primary field of study, the truth about 9 11. It's a regular talking point in the 9 11 conspiracy communities that some of the accused hijackers have been found alive. But anyone who's looked into this with any depth at all could tell you that this is a simple case of

mistaken identity and the investigative process being judged in the middle as opposed to at its conclusion. Yeah, one of the men listed as a suspected hijacker was Walid al-Shahiri was and just after the FBI released a photo of him, made a pretty big effort to stress that they had the wrong guy. He is a pilot in Saudi Arabia and had done flight training at the same school in Daytona Beach that the other 9 11 hijackers had, but he was definitely alive. Sure. Hi, I did not fly that plane on account of I am here. So what happened here? This was a simple case of mistaken identity. One of the flight 11 hijackers was named Walid Muhammad al-Shahiri as the man who was alive protested his innocence. The BBC made an error in their initial coverage reporting that a man listed

as one of the hijackers was actually alive, which while technically accurate gave a different impression from what was actually going on. If you just live and die by headlines and never look any deeper into things, you could easily think that the person the FBI claimed was on flight 11 was actually alive, but you would be wrong. This is a super easy thread to untangle if you want to know what happened. And certainly all of this information was fully available in 2003. Sure. There are a couple other people who were named as hijackers who initial reports claimed were alive, who actually were alive, like Abdul Aziz al-Omarri and Salim al-Hazimi. These two men had something very specific and common, which is that at some point in the not too distant past,

they had their passports stolen. Al has me by a pickpocket in Cairo and al-Omarri in a burglary when he was living in Denver. Sure. Sure. Each of the instances Alex has of supposed anomalies like this are actually instances of bad, miscommunicated information that he never followed up on. Unlike Alex, reporters for Der Spiegel actually did look into some of these coincidences to see what happened. They reached out to John Bradley, the managing editor of Arab News, where much of the initial reporting originated, who told them, quote, all of this is attributable to the chaos that prevailed during the first few days following the attack. Yeah. What we're dealing with are coincidentally identical names. He also made it clear that these articles were being written

after September 14th when the FBI had only released a list of names of suspected hijackers. There's one area where Alex really needs to be sure he's covering his bases. It should be 9-11 conspiracies, but you can see here how sloppy his work is even on this trademark subject. Even in 2003, even about 9-11, you can't go deeper than headlines. Yeah. Yeah. That I can't imagine the terrible day you would have if your passport had been stolen and then you woke up the next day and it was flying into a plane. That would be a real bummer of a day for you. Yeah. That, man. Oh boy. Yeah. And so there's this, there's like a combination of a number of different reasons for these mistaken identities. There's some that's like identity theft or at least very strongly

suspected identity theft. Sure. Sure. Sure. And then some of it is this other element that's misreported. Right. Similar names or the same names. There's a lot of people in the world. Right. Some of them have the same names. Right. I don't. And that period of time between when the FBI released names and when they released photos, there was a great deal of confusion and sort of the fog of. Of course. Of course. Unclarity. As we see after every great disaster. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex takes another call and this one does not go well at all. And one more question. I'm sorry that it takes a moment. Are you aware of a guy named William Cooper? Of course I am. Okay. I stole my career from him. There's something on his website and he has a, all his, you know,

recordings from way back. Yeah, I know. But he has one thing about you being a liar. I understand, sir. That's a diversion. Total diversion. I appreciate your call. You know, frankly, my show is not about, and most other shows are, and that's why we never get anywhere. My show is not about, you know, what this talk show host says or what that talk show host says in the Patriot movement. I'm sorry. My show is not the gossip column. Even before it descended to the trash that it is now, like even at 2009, he spent all his time yelling about Glenn Beck. Oh man. So yeah, I mean, like he quickly became the gossip. Oh yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of people, as he stated, a lot of people really like to listen to the gossip show. It's true. So he was looking more for that. So this

caller has made Alex introspective and he decides, well, the name William Cooper has been evoked on my show. I'd better lie about it. Okay. William Cooper became unstable in last years of his life before he was gunned down by SWAT team in his Arizona home. I called the guy up when he was in trouble with the IRS calling for help and said, I'd like to interview you. And he began cussing and yelling and saying only I have the answers. Well, I want to just tell folks, I never got into UFOs and stuff he can't prove. Cooper did. And I don't know what Cooper's problem was and I'm sad he's dead. I'm not going to sit here and talk about somebody who's dead. Here's the, here's the issue. Alex is totally right that Bill Cooper was incredibly unstable and was a nut. He's lying

about the appearance on the show though. We did an entire episode. Oh, I thought he was lying about how long William Cooper had been unstable for. Oh yeah, probably a bit longer. The last few years of his life. Oh boy, it was a lot longer than that. I think he did get much worse though. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, we did an episode that covered Bill Cooper's appearance on Alex's show and it does not match up at all with the way that Alex presents it. Nope. Alex was an asshole to him, if anything. Yeah, 100%. But you know, he's pretty rich for a guy to criticize somebody getting into aliens later on in life and then later on in life telling me that interdimensional beings are controlling the globalists. Oh, and I mean, he says stuff that's even more ironic.

So see what I do on this show is I don't talk about the visions that some prophet had out in the desert. Who said the nukes are going to go off next week. No. And I don't talk about Planet X. And I don't talk about flying saucers. And I don't talk about psychics. And I don't talk about other talk show hosts unless there's some national host like Sean Hannity saying every child should take a microchip. I have a video on Hannity and Combs or if it's Savage saying put anyone who disagrees with the government to force labor camp. I occasionally break my rule for that. But I don't talk about rumors and trash. I don't talk about psychics and then in the future. I'm psychic. I'm a psych. Come on now. I don't talk about visions. You know I have visions all the

time. Actually the universe was revealed to me and you know my prediction of nine eleven was actually based on a vision. Yeah. I have dreams that are prophetic. Yeah. And a lot of the time they happen whenever I'm out in the middle of nowhere. What a dick. What an asshole. So Alex takes another call and this person brings up prison labor. Sure. This is this is bizarre because I think that Alex's opposition to prison labor might not come from the same place that yours or mine might. Yeah. I would say slave labor is bad and I somehow feel like Alex would disagree with me on that point. I think he agrees. But the reason why is what where we get into a little bit of a I saw him on a colloquy with Mark Souter Thursday a week ago

concerning the prison industries and how they're putting our small businesses out of business there are a lot of good old boys Jones say hey make them prisoners work. The problem is most the industry is now privatized. It is an industry. They're working for an average of twenty three cents an hour competing against your jobs. Well they're from the lumber to electronics to to furniture to uniforms for our military customer service everything it's taking our jobs it's slave camps seven million people in the system now. I think the opposition to prison labor shouldn't be it's putting other people out of business. Yeah. I would say that Alex is now a union man in about 1845 saying that slavery is great but you're competing with our wages.

Yeah. Because it does imply that this kind of thing would be OK. Were it not so to jeopardize the the success of other businesses. Yeah. And I think I don't agree with the way to put it on an equal playing field is if they're competing with your business where you pay people say nine dollars an hour what you should do is convert them into slaves for you. And then everybody's on an equal playing field. That's Alex's solution. I think I'm not sure if that is his solution. I think that's what he said. But I find I find this to be an unthought through position or or at least a psychopathic self involved and beneficial solution. If if that is where his opposition to prison labor and the system that is in place if that is where it derives

from it's shallow. Yeah. It's it's it has nothing to do with the act of making people in prison. Oh yeah. No for very low wages. Sure. Just not an industries that compete with American businesses Dan. I don't like this. What. Well what makes you not like that. Anyway so this is this caller has heard about a bill maybe possibly doesn't remember the bill but it did something something and maybe it has to do with prison labor. Could be. Well I just I wanted to give you the the number of H.R. 1829. What does that bill do. Well you know to tell you the truth I was away from my 50th class reunion. I didn't take notes but Souter and and the other fellow Mark Mark Souter and now. OK. What did they say the bill did. They were trying to restrict it in some way. So it's

a bill and they had a prison industry. They admitted. Oh they're not for it. They're against it. OK. And plus they said that they're already the government or the government is already building new plants new buildings for expansion of the plant. Yeah. I mean what did camps do in Germany. You had a bunch of prisoners next door to a plant. Right. It's incredible. Joan I appreciate the call. So that caller had sort of heard something about a bill but didn't know what it did or really anything about it but someone she'd heard talk about it kind of was maybe into it or maybe not. I don't know what was going on there. No I appreciate anybody calling into a political talk show describing their political views very similarly to how my grandma would describe the

movie that she just saw a couple of days ago. It was the one with and there were the people in it and then some what's the opposite of informative because that's what that was deformative maybe. So H.R. 1829 and the 108th Congress was also known as the federal prison industries competition and contracting act of 2003. Here's what that was about. There's a government owned corporation called federal prison industries which is used to produce goods using the labor of incarcerated persons. I'll read to you here from the C.G.O. cost assessment of implementing this bill quote under current law federal agencies are required to purchase products from F.P.I. if products are available to meet the agency's needs and the costs would not exceed current market prices.

Such products include office furniture textiles vehicle tags and fiber optics. Under the proposed legislation this requirement would be reduced over the next several years and the share of the federal market that F.P.I. holds for the products and services it provides would be limited to 20 percent and five percent respectively. If you understand that text properly what this bill would have done is actively reduce the government use of products created with prison labor. The bill aimed to divert some of this productive capacity towards making goods that would be donated to non-profit organizations instead of being sold to the government which honestly still sucks. Additionally there were provisions for funding

of vocational training for incarcerated persons and funding for programs to test rehabilitative activities that could be productive towards helping. This caller has no idea what this bill is and she's telling Alex about it as if it's something that expands the prison system when in actuality it was designed to limit the profits that are derived from prison labor and funneled a fair amount of money towards efforts to help people improve their lives while incarcerated. In the house it's completely bizarre to see how split the vote on this was and not on party lines. It got yay votes from Steve King, Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence. Well they all love slave labor but it got nay votes from Maxine Waters and Walter No French

fries in my cafeteria Jones. He was one of the guys who did the freedom fries thing. I am really struggling with the idea that somebody wrote into a bill. Look before we've used 100% slave labor for our stuff but now we want our slaves to make things to give to non-profit organizations. Not 100% but I get what you're saying. Can you write that down and think of that as a terrifying psychopathy? Yeah it's weird. That's wild. What do you think Ron Paul voted? I'm gonna go with Ron Paul voted wait this would have restricted the amount that the government could have bought from their slaves right? Yeah. Okay so I'm gonna go with Ron voted for it. He abstained from voting.

That's because it screwed with his brain. He has to hate whatever Nancy Pelosi likes but he also wants private businesses. In the time of like polarization that we're in now in the present day it is really weird to look at this and like see it being pretty mixed in terms of parties on each side. Right. The bill ended up passing the House 350 to 65 but it died immediately upon being received by the Senate and no action was taken on it. Cool so good work government way to do your jobs. So Alex ends up talking to this guy named Colonel Craig Roberts and he's not the same person as Paul Craig Roberts who's a weirdo and a guy who wrote for V Dare. This dude is super into conspiracies like JFK. Sure. He loves Oklahoma City. Sure. And the

finders got to love the big into the finders. Yeah absolutely. So they're talking about like some child rings and stuff back in 2003. Okay. Alex isn't super into it and it's not all that lascivious good and he doesn't bring up Epstein. So that's that's interesting. So he didn't know about Epstein. He might have. It's not it's not proof that he doesn't true but it's not something that comes up immediately. Although Alex does say this in their interview and it's like come on governments always get corrupt individuals in control of them. They always seek to maintain control and expand that control. They always flip out and get on power trips and start exterminating their populations for no reason other than the fact that they serve their father.

We know who that is. God damn it. Infuriating. Okay. Still could be a metaphor. It's very unsatisfying. That's dark. Yeah. How dare he say that. Stop tippy towing around it and dip your balls into Jesus. Okay. Let's go for it. He still talks about Jesus from time to time. It's I'm less interested in him being religious. Right. Which does exist. Certainly not as extremist and overt as it is in the present. Sure. Sure. But I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in specifically the literalness. Yeah. Yeah. No. I just meant that. Waging war against the devil. That like turning into a televangelist type deal. Yes. Where everything we're doing is a fight against the literal Christian devil. You know. So the Craig Roberts

and Alex have a conversation that it hits on a number of kind of like I don't care kind of conspiracy. Sure. Topic. Sure. And it's it's well you know it hits a lot of bases that we've hit before and I'm not so much interested in a lot of that minutia because of stuff like this. Once they they put laws into effect they can say well this law is going to sunset for a certain time. Well a Brady law sunset and it didn't go away. You know that you saw weapons ban sunset and Patriot Act one sunset but now they're saying they're getting rid of that sunset. These dudes are being super dishonest about the subject they're covering here for one thing. This episode is in 2003 over a year before the federal assault weapons ban is set to hit its

sunset date. Alex is saying that the ban sunset provision had just been ignored which is a lie and even if he was just saying that they were going to ignore the sunset provision in the future he would be wrong. The Patriot Act was not subject to a complete sunset clause but various sections of the bill were. However the sunset date for that bill was December 31st 2005 more than two years in the future from the point that Alex is speaking here. In terms of this one it's a little bit more of a complicated picture. I'm not in favor of the Patriot Act but I don't think that attacking it from the standpoint of sunset clauses is a particularly effective approach. There have been multiple bills over the years that reexamined and reauthorized various provisions

and amended some of them as well. This is a common aspect of bills that have sunset clauses. You know it's not like they have a self-destruct clause. The idea is to set a date in the future to reassess whether or not the particular bill is worth continuing. You can take issue with the decision to reauthorize the Patriot Act but pretending that reauthorizing it is somehow cheating that's a silly argument. Yeah that doesn't make any sense. Both of these examples that Alex uses to make his point that the bills that you know they have these sunset clauses they just never go away. They're bills that haven't reached their sunset dates yet. He's just making this shit up. Now the case of the Brady Bill is actually a little bit more interesting. The

bill was first introduced in 1987 and was constantly a non-starter. The Reagan administration didn't appear all that interested in it and Congress had a lot of trouble with getting it to a floor vote so they would tend to attempt to attach it to larger crime bills which ended up being a losing strategy. All this changed when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992 and voiced support for the Brady Bill and indicated that he was willing to sign it if it was passed. This changed the landscape and the bill made its way through Congress. Part of the negotiation to get the bill through Congress had to do with the mandatory waiting periods the bill put in place for gun purchases. With the technology available at the time it could take a while to run a background check so a five-day period was

included in the bill. However gun proponents wanted to strike a deal. Their long-standing argument was that a provision should exist that this waiting period would be made null and void once the technology existed for an instant check system. This made some sense given that the waiting period was largely predicated on the technological inability to do the checks quicker. Instead of this compromise what was decided was that the waiting period provision of the bill would have a sunset clause that would kick in in five years whether or not there was an instant check system that worked. This satisfied both sides and the bill passed the House and Senate in November 1993. The Brady bill itself didn't have a sunset clause. This provision of it did. The larger

bill was permanent and put in place requirements for background checks for gun sales made by federally licensed gun sellers. In 1998 the NICS system was developed and that kind of made this whole question moot. The sunset clause came and went and now there is no federal waiting period required for purchasing a gun. Each state has the right to make their own rules on that and according to a recent article from ABC News 10 states and the District of Columbia have waiting periods whereas most states do not. Alex and Craig Roberts are covering the subject from a completely dishonest perspective. Alex is just making stuff up and Craig is pretending that the entire Brady bill was set to sunset when in fact it was just the specific provision which did in fact go away.

I understand that there's staunch opponents of any kind of gun regulation but covering the material this inaccurately feels like it's a disservice to sincere people who care about gun rights and it leads me not to take the stuff that they're saying all that seriously about any other issues. Yeah that's frustrating. That's very frustrating. I don't like it. I don't like it. Also I don't like that the waiting period expired. I think that's stupid. At the very least here's what we should have. No bad days waiting period. You can't have a bad day and then go buy a gun. You got to wait at least until your bad day is over. You know what I'm saying? Yeah I do. I understand that position and I think that states that decide to pass those things are well within

their right. Makes sense. The idea of not having a federal mandated waiting period doesn't seem that weird to me. You know as long as the background check system is it does work and it is effective which I'm not positive. It's fully operational and does a perfect job. Yeah I don't know. I can see both sides of it but I don't know. I think on a state level it's fine for that to be where that lives. Sure I see that. Let's call it the no breakfast of champions law. You can't have a sudden outbreak of a syphilitic breakdown and buy a gun on the same day. I think that's fine. Yeah in a perfect world I would be alright with that. Okay good. We have come to compromise. Sure. Now Jordan it's time for you to play the theme song for our new segment. All right.

Alex's true story. The one time I got death threaded by the government was when Judge Walter Smith in Waco case wouldn't allow a jury and I don't know who did it but you know it obviously was from that quarter and I went and when we protested we pointed this out. I was building that branch committee in Memorial Church. They got very mad and you know I got little messages that couldn't come from anywhere but the government you know the whole voice changer bit the whole thing you know the stuff from anybody can do that stuff from spot the news does that I love my country you know so be it. I told them whatever you know I don't know and I've been left alone. I don't believe Alex's version of this story or that it happened but even if you take Alex at his

word in 2003 he had only been threatened once. I just don't I just don't like that I know for a fact that they've been doing TV interviews with voice modulators and everything they have. Yes they have since the 80s. Even before that and Alex is like the only the government has that capability yeah no one else has a voice box. Yeah absolutely not no no there was a fucking vocoder for Peter God. This is really high tech stuff all right only the feds have this. So he's talking Alex is talking to Craig Roberts and this this this clip really really was a big problem for me. Well remember Chandra Levy this was even on Fox and CNN it ended when it broke that she was involved in some type of weird satanic sex call did you hear that Colonel? Yeah and and it did surprise

me because of all these other findings we have and there's there's there is a huge satanic underground movement that's linked to the homosexual community in Washington DC and we're not the only one saying this I mean this stuff pops up on TV. Oh yeah well here's the first real indication that I've seen that maybe Alex does think he's up against the literal devil at this early stage in his career. This one sounds pretty serious. It's still not nearly as overt as he is now but it's getting close to being disturbing. The issue that I run into is that based on what Alex is saying he could very well think that he's fighting a group of satanists and at the same time not think that he's fighting the minions of the literal Christian devil. True. He could just think that these satanists

are idiots doing dark pointless rituals to a non-existent deity so I regret to inform you that this is not conclusive enough for me to call this case closed. True. So I was interested in the idea that Chandra Levy be it was involved in a satanic sex cult this was news to me so I decided to poke around and see what Alex is talking about. It was also news to me. This was not a story that broke in the mainstream news and the reason people stopped talking much about Levy and Gary Condit was because 9-11 happened. It wasn't like the media was worried that people would learn of a secret satanic sex cult so they buried the story. 9-11 happened. I was well I mean that was it look that happened in the morning otherwise it was a slow news day. I would imagine that not a lot

the ranked happened that day after yeah I could see that. So this is a bit confusing but it appears that this traces back to a post on the website of a guy named Tex Mars. This is upsetting for a number of reasons and one of them actually dovetails with this stupid conspiracy that Alex is raising here on this episode. Okay. Tex Mars died in 2019 but up to that point he was an incredibly prolific conspiracy theorist and extremist Christian speaker coincidentally also based in Austin. Perhaps one of the most distinctive traits of his though is a very clear very deep and very consistent anti-Semitism. Tex still has a website running and if you go there you can purchase audio tapes of some of his lectures or maybe they're preaching I don't know.

Allow me to read some of the titles oh no that you can buy oh no which I was tempted to buy but I'm not going to give this asshole or his estate a penny yeah who killed Jesus how cowardly lukewarm Christians are abandoning the truth and ripping passages out of the bible in a futile attempt to appease the Jews was that a sequel to who framed Roger Rabbit nope oh here's another one all hail the Jewish master race um I think that sounds weirdly positive honestly here's a little snippet of the description of that one okay quote first the Romans asserted their superiority then came the Nazis on their exalted Aryan race now question now it's the Jews who claim to be the master race I would like to text Mars exposes those would-be gods on earth for what they are arrogant power

grubbing people mr. Mars ferociously opposing God's truth one one quick second oof so here's another one okay quote Obama tells Jews no more the president finally stands up to the world's tormentors what a weird thing to support Obama for this one was apparently about Rahm Emanuel leaving the administration good for Rahm Emanuel I guess one of them is called quote famous anti-Semites whom I admire interestingly Ron Paul that's just a that's just a diary entry that is just a diary entry how dare you don't you just list that shit buzz feed fuck you he includes Ron Paul on his well Ron Paul's great at anti-Semitism then there's a one called quote chimeras monsters pizza gate and the satanic hoodwink of america in the world that's that sounds

like a pretty regular TED talk to be honest the description includes quote Jewish scientists are working on DNA that will be inserted into the mind of every person at birth ending anti-Semitism forever and creating new races that will love Jews that's almost a legitimate possible solution for Jews I think they should try that one one more is called quote should Christians burn the Jewish Talmud no now I don't want to order or listen to this one but I'm guessing the answer text comes to his yes I uh based on how the description ends quote if Tex Mars were to declare an international burn the Talmud day would you be there to help him toss these trashy devil volumes into the bonfire also I do the people burning holy books think they're the good guys text does

okay also I should point out that his website also sells a bunch of books about how the Holocaust didn't happen including one by a guy named brian a lewis sherobot that middle name's probably a coincidence right could be probably I doubt there's anything to do with it oh boy Tex Mars is a giant pile of shit and one of the things that's the most constant theme of his is that Judaism is synonymous with satanism it's something that constantly comes up in his lecture titles one is just called quote inventors of evil things how the Jews created Freemasonry Aluminism Communism Satanism witchcraft and the New Age movement and what they're up to now the description of that tape includes this quote Jesus said of the Jews you are of your father the devil and he spoke

absolute truth the historical record is clear wow good work bible now this also takes us back to earlier when alex used the you know you are of your father a little bit it's a little bit of might be some troubling parallels could be something to do with that for someone like Tex Mars all roads lead back to Jewish people being behind the conspiracies that he promotes his brand is anti-Semitism it's just impossible to engage with this material and not understand that so if alex taking this conspiracy be about chandra levy being involved in satanic sex cults you know that's from Tex Mars his website if he's taking that seriously that's an indication of a very serious trend towards anti-Semitic content on alex's part in this period Tex wrote at least two columns

about chandra levy's disappearance and murder and thankfully these are not behind a pay wall so i could read them they're fucking ridiculous okay one attempts to make the argument that levy was a secret massad agent okay quote an accumulation of evidence indicates that the 24-year-old levy was a youthful recruit in the Israeli massad that nation's premier spy agency in that capacity she had served as an intern as the at the executive offices of california governor gray davis an illuminati initiate well that is where she first met mr. condit also a little an illuminati servant this falls just short of being convincing is that an accumulation of evidence or just like it's piling up yeah okay text based on literally no evidence other than his imagination decides that

as a massad agent chandra had insinuated herself in gary condit's life then used him to get herself access to the cia headquarters there she learned of the illuminati's plan to use fake islamist islamic terrorists to do 9 11 and thus she had to be killed so she couldn't spill the beans wow she's good text puts it this way quote as horrifying as the question may be one must now contemplate the mind-numbing possibility no that chandra levy very well may have been victim to a darkly vicious satanic force damn my response this is must one i don't think one must contemplate that possibility have you started contemplating again i have okay see then you did according to text these darkly vicious satanic forces are the work of quote dc's exclusive satanic brotherhood

to which he claims literally all members of congress have to be a part not that exclusive when text mars is discussing these satanic forces you'd have to be a monumental idiot to not understand he's demonizing jewish people yeah it's really fucking obvious if you know anything about his work you could just check out his lecture titled quote the jews are preparing a grave for america which warns that quote powerful jewish interests have a stranglehold on american government the economy and our culture we are in grave danger what's anti-semitic about that on the one hand it's kind of intriguing to have this first step towards alex take you're talking about his feelings about the devil and satanism in 2003 but on the other in much more serious hand it's a real problem

when you pull the thread of what he's talking about and it leads back to another austin-based conspiracy theory who believes that satanism is a plot of the jews yeah it would be hard to believe that living in austin simultaneously no one brought him up to alex no one brought this guy up so alex has no idea who this is and this is all coming from his own brain i know that text mars has been on alex's show before i know that although i don't think that he plays as much of a role in later times i know that the name has come up but one of the problems that there's another guy who's a conspiracy theorist named jim mars damn so like the i know he was on alex's show a lot and i think the text mars had a lesser but definitely a still existing presence right and and they both created

m&m's together good joke um sorry that was shitty um so yeah i i i i i'm really i'm really troubled by this i did not expect that the first like sort of fuller overture towards talking about satanic forces and what have you would be in the context of a story that was widely disseminated primarily by text mars yeah who has a tendency towards satanism and stuff being coded ways for him to be antisemitic yeah that leads me to be very worried about how much more antisemitic alex's show may have been in the past yeah it does seem like and it's it's making me clear that i need to when i'm looking at these past episodes i need to be a little bit more cognizant of that right right because the question could be raised like with the globalists is he stealing obviously effective

antisemitic propaganda in order to rebrand it and use what is a very effective way to make his own money right or is he antisemitic and he's just camouflaging that same propaganda under the term globalists yeah so it's it's that kind of appropriation versus it's a question that we've never really been able to find definitive answers right um but this does seem like a good it's more troubling yeah um because i don't believe that anybody anybody could engage with the work the text mars puts out and not be aware of the particular character of antisemitism yeah and a bunch of other stuff too anti-catholic he's uh he just hates a lot of people um but i don't i don't i don't think that you could and and for alex to you know seem to take information from his website

seriously it it makes you worried about what other stuff he might yeah that's not good yeah that's not good so we we now jump to the 13th because this uh they have such a good time craig and alex that they just take calls and sure it's boring yeah um so we jump to the 13th and overnight there was a bombing in saudi arabia there's a series of bombings um and based on nothing alex has decided that uh this was a false flag sure sure and he has a list of suspects go for it now this could be the cia could be massad but it really could be um palestinians that got into the country got explosives and did this there there are real suicide bombers there are real terror groups they are few and far between we don't know right now we probably never will we know by the mayor putin

blew up three apartment buildings to get marshal law going in russia that's admitted though so that keeps going yeah again like yeah you just got to toss that in there yeah that's pretty constant it is really great example of a false flag effectively turning a man into a dictator so there's that uh yeah so alex has these suspects for this bombing and it's just based on nothing like he has nothing to demonstrate or prove uh that this was in any way anything other than suicide bombings i don't know it feels like maybe it's the cia or massad yeah probably feels like it could be dan so one of the things that we've heard alex say uh in various periods of time is um uh the conditional acceptance of wars of regime sure sure yeah and it seems like this is something he actually

really does believe you know if the government was leaving our liberties alone leaving our guns alone leaving our freedoms alone controlling our borders and they said let's invade iraq is they're bad let's invade syria iraq i could say well that violates what george washington said but you know what you can't really argue with it too much if they were really bringing freedom and all this but they're not they're mowing down protesters they're giving 20 a month to live on they're totally enslaving them they're grabbing all the oil they're enslaving us here domestically they got gun bills that dwarf all gun control ever seen that bush says he's gonna sign again this this is the same thing as the thing about prison labor yeah it's it's somebody who has the same position

as you being opposed to prison labor or being opposed to the war in iraq but the reasons are not the same and that's bad mm-hmm yep because alex is conditionally fine with regime change wars as long as people will just leave him alone yeah no no no apartheid is bad sometimes that's not a good take that's not a good take dan no not a good take no because if you solve the wrong problem then the bigger problem is okay it's still there hey it's okay with alex yeah yeah no we can't have a dictator in this country well i mean we can have my dictator yeah that's a good dictator i don't mind a dictator as long as they leave me alone it's gotta be my dictator who's gonna do what i say yeah that's how i want things to work i tell people how to live now i should tell you i have

studied everything about tyranny and i am probably the only person who really understands it and is a voice against all forms of despotism except for the one that i do right because because if you do my dictatorship you'll never have another dictator yeah and i think that this is indicative of the shallowness of alex's opposition and the shallowness of his beliefs uh at least surrounding the issues that he presents himself as being uh on the marquee 100 certain about yeah yeah it it's it's really troubling to me and one of the things that i can't really get passed is like how obvious it is listening to this that even if you didn't know that alex turned into the biggest piece of shit in the world right if i heard him say that back then i'd be like wait a second

sure wait a second you would be fine with this war if you didn't have your guns hypothetically needing to be registered i don't know you know that's one of those things and i think what it is not so much uh that as as it is like i i think about going back and watching a movie from the 90s now and stuff pops up and you're like i remember this movie as being one thing yeah and now i saw this and i'm like holy shit so that's definitely true i think if you give somebody the benefit of the doubt especially during the time period you're gonna wind up missing or like skipping over in your brain just stuff and being like he wasn't really thinking about that he's on the radio he's just talking shit you know like that kind of stuff i guess i guess that's true and you can you can

also uh you can't account for like how differently you engage with things based on the time totally you know like watching what i went back and i watched some of the like attitude era wrestling uh not too long ago a couple years back and i was watching it i was horrified yeah some of the stuff was like wow not realized oh you go back and you're like we you could jesus christ yeah yeah so alex has this this story the main good story of the episode is uh the bombing in Saudi Arabia now there is no real actual discussion of it there's no there i mean there's discussion of it but there's no information that he provides there's nothing wow why would you discuss that it's a false flag every information that you get would be false

information dan so you just gotta speculate right there's a lot of speculation and then also this this is what i think is the most important thing we'll be right back and i'll get into the nra uh finally admitting the ultra gun grabbing is going on more on the bombings more on the terror drills that go inside of the bombings see final control is needed see what happens when you don't become our slaves the bad man coming he boom boom you operation north woods will be back so i have to say that this is a pretty desperate attempt to grasp its straws on alex's part in order for his theories to make any sense terrorist attacks have to match up with drills and you can see here uh because he's already covered the top-off drill he'll accept any event

as connected regardless of how weak the argument is oh totally alex's belief about the whole drill thing is that the globalists use drills so they can have plausible deniability in case one of their plans goes wrong or you know someone involved in the attack gets caught for instance they'll run a bombing drill when they plan to carry out a bombing because that way they can plan out the details of the bombing and if anybody asks what they're doing they can say it's for the drill sure there are also ideas about how the globalists have to tell you what they're doing before they do it according to some dumb intergalactic contract law but generally speaking this concept that the drills are used as cover is central to why the connection between drill and event means anything

alex's theories about the london 7 7 bombing rely on a misunderstanding about news reports about a consultant giving a brainstorming presentation to business executives where he had a scenario planned that closely mirrored the actual events of the bombing that's a thin connection to draw but at least the subject matter of the scenario and the attack were similar enough that you could see what alex is trying to say yeah yeah yeah in this instance there were a number of suicide bombings in residential compounds in riyadh that were generally known to be occupied by foreigners particularly westerners meanwhile in chicago in seattle there was an interagency exercise going on that simulated a simultaneous biological attack in one city in a dirty bomb

in another these two situations lack the primary piece of the whole drill conspiracy puzzle which is that they're used to plan the attacks yeah that's what there's a connection between that's what they're supposed to be used for this is sloppy shit and i'm kind of shocked that alex's listeners wouldn't realize this like i can kind of understand buying the whole drill conspiracy when there's overlap between the drill and the event and even but even when you accept this nonsense like now alex expect you to believe like this it extends this far like these completely unrelated and not even thematically connected scenarios in seattle and chicago are somehow related to bombings in riyadh and like when there's a like a very unpopular war yeah happening yeah i mean rock that is that is

probably one of the benefits for him of having constant global news at all times because something is always happening true so there's always something coincidentally happening with something else that he wants to claim you know yeah but this is this is soft oh it's weak shit it is weak tea it's it's a ways off i wouldn't even if i were alex i wouldn't even try this he's he's a young god he's inexperienced he's really giving a shot you gotta find your boundaries and the only way to find your boundaries is to step beyond them fine so anyway alex talks about this a little bit more and my only note on this is that this is unfair all right already into the second hour of this worldwide broadcast wide open phones in this hour we talk about the tragic

convenient right on time bombings to legitimize the police state and these drills are running the fema takeover drills the martial law preparation activation tests going on for the fema takeover so now the bombings themselves are meant to give credibility to the exercises that are being run in seattle and chicago what the fuck no i'm very tired you can't that exhausts me yeah this is pretzel shit yeah no no you cannot eat your own tail at me that's not possible yeah it's not it's not fair it's not fair either these exercises are used to provide cover and planning right for the globalists right or they're part of contract law or they're not actually what's like sometimes the terrorist attack is actually about the exercise it's actually reverse yeah

that's what i was thinking he like twisted it around so now that the now the terrorist attack is providing cover for the drills instead of the drills i mean i guess the the reality is that when anything is fake it doesn't matter that's a good point and if you believe or like your editorial line for these narratives is that all this stuff is fake it's no longer disrespectful to take something like right right use it however you want yeah because who cares your editorial position is just expediency whatever's the i i yeah i don't know if anybody has ever really truly made a career out of taking the path of least resistance quite like alex it's just like i'm just flowing you know he's almost reached a zen position of just flowing through the river whatever bullshit

comes out of his mouth he just rides along it behind him he's self sustaining a fart blimp that's what he is dan i have become one with the wind he is the hindenburg so alex takes some calls and he gets a call from a guy who gets pretty religious with him sure and it's interesting how quick alex hangs up on this guy okay but i also spend my life also in the scriptures and what's amazing to me the things that are being spoken belly bit by yourself but there's a few others like you out there that the scripture speaks up and i appreciate your call nontay and it's good to have you as a listener take care add me on the air go ahead it's color is saying that like you're in the bible alex i am calling to say that you're a

prophet listen i don't have that kind of stuff on my show cut to i am the messiah yeah yeah yeah yeah wow quite a change god damn quite a change god damn that is fast yeah so alex again also in 2003 one of his uh sort of primary positions and branding uh strategies sure is anti police brutality and anti police yes yeah it's a quick easy way to look above the left right paradigm yes because i mentioned it and it's online at info wars dot com right now council woman criticizes action by constables this is out of the morning call online mainstream newspaper they shot three dogs too fatally when they went to serve a warrant in allentown for unpaid parking tickets saying there is a doozy of a problem here allentown councilwoman gail hoover expressed

outrage sunday over the shooting of three dogs too fatally by constables serving a warrant on a man who had not paid parking tickets obviously this is not something i'm okay with police should never behave this way and i think we can all agree on that i just find it interesting that alex ends up taking almost an entire segment on the show to rant about this story which is honestly tragic but definitely doesn't seem like something that needs to be front and center of the show's news that day it just makes me really sad to see him spending like 10 minutes decrying the evils of the police killing two dogs when in his later career he rationalizes that sometimes police are right when they shoot unarmed black people personally i'm opposed to all acts of police violence but

i don't think like a story like this actually ranks as important news for a number of reasons the first is that even from alex's headline you can tell that the city council person is upset about this event and is pushing to take appropriate steps to address the issue no all globalists are evil in this instance you can see unacceptable behavior from the police but you can also almost be certain that the victim is going to win a civil suit and have some kind of restitution and that's exactly what did end up happening when they settled a claim against the cops who shot their dogs for three hundred twenty thousand dollars money can never make up for the loss of a love pet but i mean what can you do after the fact sure hold people responsible and sure pay the

victims even this story that came out in the morning call about this shooting prior to this episode that alex is recording quotes another cop who quote said he wanted the family to know that constables carry up to five hundred thousand dollars in liability insurance quote we're walking cash cows for a good lawyer he said even other cops in the department were saying that they needed to do what needed to be done to make things right wow and they had a lot of insurance that cop reminds me so much of that kyle canane bit where he's like you know you meet somebody you meet enough you live an interesting enough life you meet plenty of cops in your day and every now and again you find one who's just like there but for the grace of god

go i was like i could have been uh working at the gas station or i could be in a cop pays five bucks better so oh man that's great that cop just being like hey man sue the shit out of me i don't got to worry about shit we got a lot of insurance hey come on so we have one last clip uh here it's another story that alex is uh sort of touching on but he doesn't really know the details and i'm driving along listening when i left to the you know seven o'clock news or whatever and i'm listening and they said that the that the governor with the speaker of the house has ordered the arrest of over 80 members of the uh legislature and i'm listening no i'm not kidding i'm listening to them reading this this ap headline national headline because they say they've been ordered

basically under homeland security to follow all orders the vote is they're told by washington and then you hear this state rep from houston saying they're taking over we won't be part of this and that's all it said we don't know what they're talking about i i typed in the article it popped up it just said they've been ordered to be arrested see and i i'm so conditioned in this la la land that i'm hearing that members of the house have been ordered in the senate to be arrested but i don't know how you do it i i can i mean that's the in fact people are listening right now in texas you heard this it was on national ap news call into the show if you heard it why i didn't print that article i read it online last night when i got home didn't print it didn't

cover it i can't keep track of it anymore seems like if it's this kind of story you probably should have thought to print it yeah all right so what happened here is that the republicans had taken control of the texas legislature in the most recent election and they were pushing a hard agenda that included harsh spending cuts and redistricting how funny is it that we no longer live in a world where i can assume after you say the texas republicans took control of the legislature that it would end in in an election the texas house requires a quorum of at least a hundred of their members to actually meet and vote on things so 58 of the democrats in office decided just to not show up uh to boycott the agenda that they were essentially powerless to

stop in a vote this is something they can do and in response the house speaker has the authority to send the texas rangers out to find them and bring them in to vote yeah it's basically hide and seek but with the government exactly 52 of the lawmakers decided to get out of the state in order to avoid being arrested so the speaker requested help from other states to get them back into chambers naturally an associated press article includes an amazingly dishy response from new mexico attorney general patricia madrid who said that she had quote no authority to arrest lawmakers who show up there but went on to say quote nevertheless i have put out an all points bulletin for law enforcement to be on the lookout for politicians in favor of health care for the

needy and against tax cuts for the wealthy the democrats returned when the time had elapsed for the bill but it didn't matter governor rick perry held repeated special sessions to push through the redistricting plan it eventually got it passed thereby gerrymandering the hell out of the state house districts and giving a very strong advantage to republicans to remain in power alex is pretending that this is an instance of power mad folks having their political opponents arrested and sent to the hole but the reality is it's part of political maneuvering that's uncommon but it's not really outside of the standard rules set forth by the texas house yeah it's power mad politicians so corrupt that they're willing to destroy their entire state in order to

ensure that right wing politics rules the day listen it has nothing to do with putting your political enemies in the who scout listen the gerrymandering and the redistricting stuff is the real issue that's the real problem that's the conversation that's corrupt and power hungry the ascending texas rangers out to bring uh people back to vote is a silly portion of uh the rules of yeah we live in a weird world yes of a sort of government uh uh procedure yeah there's there is that like i understand that we have those rules but uh this is childish sure this is silly like how you have to say like the good gentle woman from new hampshire yeah absolutely shut the fuck up yeah yeah i don't need this bullshit yeah so we re-reach the end of this i mean that was

a pretty boring episode the 13th i gotta say yeah not much goes on it did not feel like it a lot to talk about that bombing sure and not a lot of actual information um but i think that we who stumbled upon something fairly important here and this is the satanic cabal living underneath dc swallowing the blood of our children um the the way that this is characterized the way this sort of has a little bit of a clue leading back to tex mars is a bit troubling um and i'm worried about what we're actually going to find through this fanciful and seemingly fun investigation when alex started uh thinking he was fighting the devil yeah the uncovering that maybe this too is uh all rooted in uh appropriated or exploited anti-semitic ideals this is not uh is not what

i would have liked it does feel a lot like that day you're like hey kary cassidy uh kind of an anti-semite and then it all crumbled down and you're like fuck all fun things just wind up with anti-semitism at the bottom it brutal it does seem that this might be another indication or another example of that and uh uh we will see um we'll check back in and uh you know we'll see what we find i hope it really goes well for him alex i have bad news he shows up he gets his act together oh no right now i feel like 2003 there's a there's a bright future ahead of him 18 years later he will be on air threatening to eat his neighbors there's that there is that okay i don't think it goes well it's at best lateral because he's richer that's true that's true that's true

that's true in some ways yeah anyway we'll check back in but until then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com we're also on uh twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed and uh we're on itunes right and if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clarkham darryl rundis i kind of think that steak knife is a fine code name andy and chanz us you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you