Knowledge Fight - #564: May 15-20, 2003

Episode Date: June 11, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan head to the past to continue exploring the question of whether or not Alex Jones thought he was fighting the literal devil in 2003. In this installment, Alex talks to at least two people who think they're fighting the literal devil, commits to possibly seeing the second Matrix movie, and continues to be aggressively anti-Putin.

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I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge Fight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, worship with the altar of saline, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Shit. Ah, come on.

I wasn't going to talk about it yet. You barely had a little thing. We were going to just ride it on. Old habits. Old habits. What are you going to do, Dan? I don't know. I have a question for you.

Okay. I'll do that. I'll answer that question. What's up? What's your right spot today? My right spot today. Jordan, I mentioned this to you. I was going to give a size and screed Valhalla another chance.

I mentioned on the show that I started playing it and I was enjoying it enough. And then I just sort of lost interest and I did not make it very far into it. And you were telling me that there's this, the new Ireland DLC. Sure. And so I decided I'll give this a shot and you buried the lead. Holy shit. I went to Ireland and almost immediately instead of a horse, you now can ride a giant cat around. I know.

So my bright spot is now I'm riding around. I was hoping you would discover it on your own because I knew you were going to go below your mind. It's the best. I have a giant cat that I'm riding around like a horse and I couldn't be happy. That's all you need. That's all you need. That's all you've ever dreamed of.

That's all you. Yeah. No, absolutely. Now the game is back in my good graces and I'll probably finish it because I have a giant cat friend. That is why I have tried to throw as many pets at you in the other show we do. So that is nice. I like that.

Yeah. What are you? My bright spot, Dan, as you may know, or probably don't, the French open is going on right now. Oh, no. And while you are listening to this, there's a good chance that Rafa and Djokovic are meeting for their roughly six hundredth time. Djokovic, I think is ahead by one win. They're so close.

They're the Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane of tennis. They've been going back and forth for a decade. They're destined to fight forever. Forever and ever and ever. They're the two best that ever lived along with Federer. And that's just going to be great tomorrow or today or whatever you're listening to us. I imagine Rafa is going to wind up winning because Djokovic just looked a little bit shaky.

But you never know. You never know. Although you do because Rafa has won the French open 13 times. I feel like the French open was happening like a week or two ago. I feel like this just keeps happening. It never stops. It's every every year or so. No, I just I feel like there's some tennis thing that I just always assume is the French

open that's happening. Yeah. Well, I mean, if I talk about the difference between any of this, if you talk about Rafa, you eventually mentioned that he won 13 French open. True. Yeah. So Jordan, today we have an episode from the past. No.

That's where things are better. I had sick of Jordan's shit. I had sick of Alex's shit in the present day. And, you know, one of the things that was like, all right, I'm definitely doing an episode about the past was that I kept seeing people posting that picture of Alex at a strip club. And I just lost my patience with the present day. I don't understand how that ends up being like a viral tweet on Twitter. Like, I don't.

I don't. Who cares? But that my instant reaction, a lot of people were telling me about it. And I was like, that's I okay. He's a monster. Good for him. He can go to a week. We can all go to a strip club whenever we want.

Whenever we want that guy's a monster, though. I don't care if he's at a strip club. It doesn't really, it doesn't really make anything. It doesn't make any larger point other than like, I think there's something weird about going to a strip club. I mean, I suppose you could probably try and make the argument that it's hypocritical for him to be God blasting all day every day and then be at a strip club to talk your way around that.

It's so easy. You could say like, look, I'm a man. Yeah. Or you could say I went there because I had a business meeting and the people I was with wanted to go. You don't understand what it's like to be in the higher echelons of business. You run your own business. I'm totally, you know, there's, there's a hundred ways you could get around the quote,

unquote hypocrisy of it. Yeah. And I don't, I don't know. I didn't look into it too much, but it looked like he was in a bathroom. And look, I hate, I don't even know if that's a strip club. I, well, I hate Alex Jones and I will say that if someone was taking a picture of him in the bathroom, I think that is a violation of someone's rights of privacy. Sure.

And like, I don't, I don't think it's cool to take pictures of people in a bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that's a good point. I got, I was like, I don't, I don't know. I imagine maybe he has a rebuttal to that, but I don't want to talk about it. I just don't care. Yeah.

So today we're going to be in the past and we're going to be talking about May 15th to 20th. Whoa. That's a lot. 2003. Oh, blackjack. Damn it. That's the wrong one again.

Roulette. Um, this is, this is a period that I have been looking forward to covering because as we know, the debathification begins. Yes. Around this time. He's been screaming about how they're going to let the bath party run everything. The baths are taking over. That's what bushes in the globalist's plan from the beginning.

Yes. They're going to be in charge of Iraq because they're basically CIA. Exactly. So I was interested to see how that would be affected by, uh, uh, you know, how Alex is rhetoric. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the, the second thing is that this is over the weekend and this is when Alex goes to Kansas city to do that local radio station. That's right. That's right. We have a couple of dangling threads that are going to come together in this episode and I'm excited to get to it. But first, let's say hello to some new wonks. So first possibly Pluto.

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if you want to help save some bunnies. Hell yeah. I was very close to trying to adopt one of them because I looked at the website and there's a couple that were very cute. Of course there are. Of course there are. You can't not adopt a bunny. No.

Anyway, bunny brigade PA. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy. Walk. Thank you very much. And then a couple technocrats here, Jordan. You got to just listen to Jordan stand up on YouTube and really enjoyed it. You're now a technocrat and Derek's brother Connor.

You're now a technocrat and Derek. Hey, congratulations on your engagement recently. I hope you and Mallory have a great time with your lives. I don't know how to say words. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic.

Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large.

I declare info war on you. Thank you all. Yes. Thank you very much. Actually to me for donating to our show, just to make sure everybody knows that I might have a stand up video on YouTube still, and I'm not sure if I do, but it's okay. So, Jordan, we're going to get into this here, but first here is an out of context drop.

Man, that was a good show. Didn't cover all the news. We covered a lot of it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Man, that was a good C plus.

Yeah. Got a 75%. I'm feeling solid about this math test. Holy shit. I nailed it. I did some of the things. That to me felt like really Alex Jones. That's very good.

I do. I do appreciate that. Hey, this is a good show. Also, I set the bar low anyways on to tomorrow. You got to love yourself, you know? So we start here on the 15th, this is a Thursday, and Alex is still covering the bombing in Riyadh that had happened recently. And if you recall, it was a residential complex compound kind of area where a lot of Westerners

were known to live. In the intervening time since then, some more information has come out about the particular Westerners that were living in these compounds that appear to be the target of that. And so this is what the direction of the story is going to go. Local companies, employees die in Saudi bombing. Now, I have this on infowars.com yesterday. I briefly mentioned it. I said two days ago before it was even in the news on my website, and it's posted the

headline. You saw it where I said, hmm, I bet the car law group is going to be involved. I bet they're involved in the rebuilding. Well, guess what? Guess who owned the company and it just gotten done selling it and I still had connections to it as a subsidiary. So the company in question that were apparently the targets of this 2003 bombing in Riyadh was the VINEL Corporation.

It's a construction business that was founded in 1931 and has a deep history of international contracts for U.S. interests. For instance, during the Vietnam War, VINEL was tasked with maintaining power plant systems over there, overseas. They're actually pretty well known for this because in 1967, approximately 2,000 Korean workers at a VINEL plant in Cameron Bay were dissatisfied enough with their conditions that they rioted. From Shelby Stanton's book, The Rise and Fall of an American Army, U.S. Ground Forces

in Vietnam 1965 to 1973, quote, the primary cause appears to have been dissatisfaction with the food served them, particularly the shortage of rice. The Koreans refused to eat their Saturday meal on November 18th and went to the VINEL mess hall where they turned over tables and attacked several Americans. They forced the American project manager to eat some of their food to show them how bad it was. A VINEL Corporation civilian took out his gun and shot three Koreans. He was then mobbed and severely injured and a Korean shot another American.

The riot ended up lasting four days. Yeah, I was going to say, like you say a company that does stuff for American government since 1931 and I'm not probably bad. Not since 1931. They were founded in 1931 and they but they have a long history of performing government contracts. Yeah. In what are probably war zones or a lot of time.

Yes. Yeah. So they're bad. Yeah. And their involvement in government contracts began during the Chinese Civil War when they were hired to ship supplies, meaning weapons to Shanghai Shacks forces. Oh, shit. It was Alex right about everything.

No. Oh, okay. Well, they were sending weapons to Shanghai Shack. Yes, I know. It was fighting against Mao. So I don't know, Alex has got a tough point there. What's really most notable about this company, however, is that in 1975, they landed a very lucrative contract to train the Saudi Arabia National Guard.

This is almost certain. Can they do that? Apparently they can. This is almost certainly why their building was a target for that attack in Riyadh. Not some obscure connection to people Alex is insisting on connecting everyone to back in 2003. In fact, their headquarters in Saudi Arabia had been bombed back in 1995, too. Like this is something that I think people know to do.

Yeah. I mean, you're bad. So this happens. I think that the people who would be trying to attack the Saudi Arabian government, you know, maybe some some rebel types or terrorists wouldn't know enough to be like, well, let's not just attack the government. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It kind of makes sense. Yeah. No, it's yeah. So here's the connection between Vinyl and Carlisle Group. In 1992, Vinyl Corporation was bought by BDM International Incorporated, which in turn was owned by the Carlisle Group. Okay.

However, in 1997, BDM was purchased by TRW Incorporated, which represented the end of their association with the Carlisle Group. According to an article in The Washington Post from 1997 about the deal, Carlisle had agreed to sell its entire stake and shares in the company to TRW and the acquisition. So there isn't even some minority ownership remaining the way Alex is pretending. Right. Right. Right.

Then in 2002, TRW was bought by Northrop Grumman. So at the time, Alex is recording this episode and he wants to talk about this company in the context of the military industrial complex. This would be the angle to take that. It seems really simple too, which is why you can't do it too easy. By pointing fingers at the Carlisle Group, Alex is making this piece of information fit his pre-written narratives about Bush, but he's depriving the audience of access to any real context for the subject that he's covering.

At the point Alex is on air here, the Carlisle Group was six years removed from selling Vinnell's parent company. And even if they were owners of Vinnell's parent company, still it wouldn't prove anything. Yeah. Oh man. I mean, to a certain extent, I think once you're talking about a company that's been bought like three times in six years. I don't even know if any of these people have any idea what it is they're buying or

selling at that highest level. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you mean George W. Bush knows what's going on or anything like that? He's got people who are just like, well, we'll do all that stuff. He's bumbling around like a fool. I don't know. They don't know what they're doing if they're buying those kinds of companies and then selling them a year later.

Well, from what I understand from reading some of these articles, it was a period of time where there was rampant consolidation and murdering going on in terms of these international contractors. Right. Right. Right. And so, you know, that kind of explains a little bit of the moving around. Right.

Right. Yeah. I don't know. It just doesn't, it's not compelling just because you see the name Carlisle Group in the past of this company. Right. Right. Right.

I just, I don't know. It's soft. Northrop Grumman is probably an easier name to just pull and be like, problem. Doesn't come up at all. See, no, but problem, you know, weird that it doesn't come up at all. The name Northrop Grumman doesn't come up at all in Alex's, Alex has a stake in Northrop Grumman. See, anybody can do it, Dan.

Anybody can do it. Alex owns part of Northrop Grumman. So it's all a conspiracy that he's trying to get people to hate the, it's anybody has found it. It's anybody, anybody, anybody. Anyway, they're also apparently this vanilla corporation is also apparently a front for the CIA. Oh, okay.

The firm was a cover for the CIA too. Oh, lo and behold, what got bombed was the CIA, the Times of London and the Vanell's one-time owners of the Carlisle Group, shadowy CIA operations. Here are the mainstream articles, NBC and the Times of London on the website in FullWars.com right now. One of the things that I've learned to be very careful about when dealing with speculative information is claims that people or groups are fronts. This is an accusation that's really difficult to work with because generally speaking, it's

a claim that's made constantly without proof and people who make the claim often seem to think that the burden of proof is on you to show that some group isn't a front, which is a trap. If you read any John Birch Society text or book from the anti-communist crusaders that Alex loves, one of the first things you'll notice is that every single thing is asserted to be a communist front and none of it is ever substantiated. Gary Allen's book, Communist Revolution in the Streets, accuses literally every civil rights organization, every student activism group and most bookstores of being communist

fronts. And not in the sense that some communists might gravitate to these things. He's claiming that these exist explicitly as props of the Communist Party. It was Barnes and Nobileysky, if you are right. So anyway, my point is that it's one of the rhetorical tricks that I have the least interest in is like an unsupported allegation that something or someone is a front nonsense. The question I just wrote down is like, after all these years, what does Alex think the CIA's portfolio actually looks like?

Like if there was a balance sheet of all of their fronts, Jesus. So in the case of vinyl, there is an article in the London Times about how they were formerly owned by the Carlisle group and that the Carlisle group had a history of contracting with intelligence organizations. Sure. That's what he's talking about. Now here's the thing. I would never come to you and say that vinyl absolutely hasn't done some work with groups

like the CIA. Sure. That's almost a certainty considering their longstanding contract to train the Saudi National Guard. And allegations have been made from a 2003 article in the LA Times, quote, in a memoir, former CIA operative Wilbur Crane Evelyn described using his title as vinyl vice president as a cover while working in Africa in the Middle East in the early 1960s. It's definitely conceivable to imagine that at times people who work for the CIA have

used fake employment at vinyl as cover. But that alone doesn't demonstrate that the entire company itself is a front operation. I'm going out of my way to provide explanations for why Alex could be right. And I still don't think his argument stands up to scrutiny. No, no. I mean, here's here's what I get from all of the evidence. Some shady could be going on here. Here's what I get from Alex.

It's the fucking globalists inside everybody. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, I mean, I'm not saying nothing shady is going on, but I'm not saying nothing's not going on. Initially, after the bombing, it was suspected that the attacks were on a housing area known to be used by Westerners living in Riyadh. As more details came out, it became more clear that this was likely a targeted attack aimed at vinyl.

What makes a lot of sense is that like from the standpoint of people who might attack the Saudi government, like we were talking about, like they're assisting and training the National Guard of Saudi Arabia. And you might see that as a high profile target. If you're a rebel, it's hard not to view that as a combatant target. You know, like, yeah, the CIA could outright a run vinyl or they could just be a company that had close ties to the government and allowed CIA agents to use their business's name as part of the cover.

Either way, I'm not sure it really matters because the thing they're doing sucks. There's a much larger problem here with this entire state of private armies and war contractors. But instead of dealing like with those things realistically, Alex just wants to jingle around keys like the CIA and Carlisle group because distracting is easier than wrestling with difficult information and looking at looking at the reality. That's that's what he's doing. And it's yeah, it's wild. I mean, but then again, to a certain extent, it's hard not to look back in the context

of like when he has Trump, he's fine with so much of this shit, you know, he likes black water now. Yeah, he loves all of this stuff. So, you know, maybe part of the reason is a hero part of the reason maybe that he's he's doing all of these jangling keys kinds of things is because he wants the fundamental problems to stay the same. He just wants to be in control of those fundamental problems and how we react to them. You know, he wants to have a private army.

So why would he complain about people who have private armies unless it's within the context of jangling keys over here? You know, I mean, certainly, you know, libertarianism is not a verse to private armies. No, no, no. Most libertarian thinkers. As long as you get to join. Yeah. So anyway, Alex has some more conspiracies about this, this company in Saudi.

Turns out that 50 plus of the 70 employees were gone on a training mission. So he's saying that 50 of the 70 employees at vinyl were gone on a training mission. But what he's doing is he's trying to create the false impression in the listener's head. Whenever there's an attack, you'll always hear claims that some select group was warned not to be there or had been removed from the area beforehand because claims like this seem to be really strong indications of foreknowledge and probably it's a false lie. Of course. Alex wants you to think that 50 of the seven employees there weren't at work that day,

which is suspicious, but that's not the situation. The buildings that were bombed were a residential compound where 70 American employees lived. I'm not sure where Alex is getting the 50 number from, but nine employees died and 15 were hospitalized, not counting many who were merely treated for minor injuries. Jesus. Also, if people who worked at vinyl weren't at home, they almost by definition would be on a training mission since the reason they're in Saudi Arabia is a training mission. The words Alex is saying actually mean nothing, but they're meant to create a denser air of

suspicion around the bombing, which is unearned by the information that he's actually presenting. It does seem like he's even presenting at the exact opposite way in this far as they were just at work. You know, he's like, they're on a training mission, meaning they're not at work. But in this circumstance, they're at work. They're not at home. Yeah. He's meaning it to be like they were told they were sure they were sent to UAE.

Right. Right. Right. No, he's trying to sell it. Like if the Pentagon got exploded tomorrow, but all the top generals escaped miraculously the day before, you're like, well, that's suspicious and shit instead of exactly what he's doing. They all just went to work that day.

It was a normal day. Yeah. He's saying all the higher ups were gone and he literally does say a couple of times like the janitors were okay, but I don't know about this. So Alex jumps off this topic and he reads a bit of an op-ed by Joseph Farah, the guy who runs a world net daily. Sure. And I bet it's great.

Well, one of the things that I think is really fascinating about this is that Alex doesn't seem to like world net daily in 2003. I'm just so confused. He doesn't consider them allies. I'm furious. So anyway, this is going to start with him reading from the article and then expounding a little bit on some of his feelings. Most people need to rethink their notions about the political spectrum and the left

end. Most people agree you have communism, total government control over the means of production and property. It's the other end of the spectrum that many get confused. Ask most left-wingers and they'll suggest that fascism is on the extreme right 180 degrees from communism. Uh-uh. Wow.

Fairy, you've been listening to the show. We know a lot of world net daily writers listen when you've admitted that. I've got news for you friends, fascism and communism or ideological kiss and cousins. Boy, you said it. I would place fascism and socialism just a few degrees to the right of communism. No fairy. It's not left right. What?

Fascism, communism, socialism, all on the command and control, tyranny, serfdom, feudalism, and republics, constitutional republics are on the other end of that spectrum. Get a little more sophisticated. I think you are. I think you know. They got to keep you in that left right. You think you get a choice when really you're on the big government side. That's weird.

Words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words, words. Yeah. Alex loves world net daily now and has over large stretches of his career, but he seems to think that they're neocons at this point. Yeah. Yeah. And he thinks that this op ed, but Joseph Farrow wrote is like an indication that they're coming around or something.

Oh, of course. So he's excited. Okay. I'm less interested in that op ed than I am in Alex's discussion about the some of the more the specifics about his belief that the right left paradigm is an illusion. I'm a big fan of how he confuses economic systems, government systems, any number of different things. Listening to mostly more current episodes of Alex's show from the past five or six

years, you know, you get the sense that that idea had something to do with political parties. Even at the end of the clip, he's making reference to the left and the right having something to do with giving you the illusion of having a choice, which feels like he's talking about voting and political parties. Yeah. Yeah. However, listening to these 2003 episodes, the concept has sort of taken a different shape since Alex talks a little bit more about what he actually means back then.

And I have to say that I think it's actually way stupider than I thought it was. It actually seems like a political philosophy that's tailor made to be defined by opposition, which goes a long way toward helping make sense about the show seem nonsensical in the Trump era. And now when Alex is discussing the illusion of the left right paradigm, I believe you have to just completely get ideas of liberal or conservative politics out of your head. I think Alex is operating on a completely different axis, which is essentially just government is bad.

It's a pretty childish thing to express as your fundamental political belief, especially if you don't have the courage to just come out and be a full on anarchist. If you're against big government, then I'd like to remind you that small government is fucking huge compared to no government. Leaving that aside, I want to discuss for a second why Alex's conception of this being the only relevant access in politics is woefully dumb and not the way to look at the world. The sole factor Alex considers in terms of ideology is whether or not something is a system that includes government control of the public, the command and control aspect.

On the one side of the spectrum, he puts communism, socialism and fascism as systems with high government control. And at the other end, he has this idealized version of a constitutional republic, which I guess is supposed to have minimal government control, I guess, I don't know. If that's the only factor that matters, then there should be no difference to Alex between anarcho-capitalism and libertarian socialism. Both advocate for the elimination of the centralized state, which would result in a system with even less governmental control over the public than exists in a republic.

Both are conceived around people existing in a stateless world characterized by voluntarily constructed groups. But obviously these two ideologies have stark differences. Probably the biggest is their stance on private property. Arco-capitalists believe the right to private property is essentially the bedrock of society, whereas libertarian socialists would view the accumulation of private property to be an instance of the same oppression one might face from the state just being carried out by a private corporation.

It's very obvious if you look at these two systems that Alex isn't really being honest about his political preferences. If there's two schools of thought, which both eschew centralized governmental control, there are still political preferences that Alex has that are on the left-right spectrum. Private property is a matter of the left-right spectrum. While it's true that most center-left and center-right people tend to agree that private property ownership is good, that's not true when you go to the further ends of the spectrum. Further left ideologies tend to favor communal ownership of private property or democratized

workplaces. Conversely, further right ideologies tend to believe that private property rights are inalienable human rights, and they have no problem with exploitative workplaces because employment is a voluntary relationship. Alex presents himself as being above the left-right paradigm because he wants you to think that he's talking about democrat-republican two-party system stuff that exists in the United States. He wants you to think that because most people are disenfranchised with that two-party system,

and it's an easy thing to find agreement with. Most people would be like, yeah, these aren't fully encapsulated by ideology. If you look at it as a line between the two parties, yes, that is an illusion. That's what he wants you to think, but that's not what he's talking about. It's important to recognize that and recognize that he's a liar. When he says that he's above the left-right paradigm, what he's actually saying is that he hates government, that he lacks the political depth to coherently advocate for the form of anarchy that he would prefer, and so he just pretends that the answer is a constitutional

republic. Yeah. I would also add into that level of the type of person who wants capitalism, but they're not going to be the people grounded underneath the boot of capitalism. Look, listen, I think people shouldn't have all of this money. I should have all of this money, obviously, but people shouldn't have all this money. Again, you want to preserve so much of the system that gives you power over everybody else, instead of being like, look, I don't want any government, whoa, whoa, whoa, then

people might steal my expensive things, like that kind of feel. If you created his left-right paradigm world within there, there'd still be fucking cops to protect his shit, so he doesn't have to. That's the kind of anarcho bullshit he's peddling, so fuck off. Yeah. What I would need from him is, okay, so if the question is command and control nonsense and what amount the government controls the population, that is the relevant access upon which you can judge politics.

That's it. If that's the case, then you need to explain to me why a constitutional republic is more preferable than an anarchist state, because that would be the complete elimination of this thing that you think is the bad. And then you'd have to argue, I guess, if you're Alex, that a certain amount is a court. And then you'd be like, okay, why? It's like, well, because I like to control things or something, because I want stuff. This doesn't even get into differentiation between personal and private property and

how many left ideologies still believe in personal property, and the right does try to muddle those things a little bit. But yeah, I mean, this also isn't even getting into the differentiation between political and more economic models and how Alex is just playing fast and loose between all of them. You can have a fascist communist state. There's a government and an economic model there that's not a fascist or communist state. That's not how it works. Yeah.

And I don't know, I just think when you hear stuff like this, what it does is it helps me understand a little bit more about these sort of elements of Alex's costume that he wears to try and trick people into thinking he's sensible and that like being above the left-right paradigm looks sensible because you could say, Republicans and Democrats are all the same. They're beholden to corporate interests, special interest groups, and you can say that. And I think you can get a lot of people to be like, yeah, you know what? That makes some sense, but that's not what Alex is talking about.

No, it's just a little bit of a disguise. Yeah. I mean, you can call yourself above the left-right paradigm fairly easily because a winning strategy for both Republicans and Democrats is to say, listen, the Republicans and the Democrats fucking suck, elect me to be one of those Republicans or Democrats, you know, like it's a winning strategy. So it's not hard. Yeah, it does.

It helps. It helps. What a pathetic world. But anyway, labels and words mean nothing. Yes. Communism, fascism, it means nothing, nothing. It's all strongman, thug, empire, get it straight. If your goal is to enlighten an audience or help them better understand the world around

them and the political conversations that they're hearing, this is exactly the opposite of what you should do. Communism and fascism do definitely mean something. They are just words that describe imperial strongmen wearing different colored hats and convincing audiences that that's the case makes them entirely unprepared to deal with challenging political issues. Also, if you take Alex at his word, then the hallmarks of the sort of government that he hates and he does not want to exist is one that's run by a strongman or thug, which is

an empire. I know hypocrisy means nothing. But by these standards, Donald Trump is precisely the candidate 2003. Alex Jones would strongly oppose in 2015. Alex New Trump was connected to the mob and presented an image of a strongman as a facade. He put on this this image. He was a fake strongman. Yeah.

During the campaign, Trump made signals to being open to empire and Alex even defended Trump's desire to buy Greenland and claim space in the name of the United States. Come on, you want Greenland, you want space. Trump fails Alex's imaginary test that's allegedly above the left-right paradigm, but Alex still supports him because he actually passes Alex's real litmus test, which is heavily dependent on the left-right paradigm. Oh, yeah. That's important to keep in mind.

But it's important to remember that that's really what motivates him. Yeah, it's such a bummer that like these concepts like communism and fascism and all of that stuff, things that really do take a book or multiple books or many, many books to understand clearly, let alone try and implement. And then you've got people who are just like, communism is this in a short sentence. That's going to muddy the waters. Yeah. Nobody wants to read many, many books.

Yeah. And I think that I think you have you have that same problem on the reverse side. People promoting certain ideologies or systems, doing it overly simplistically. I think I think you run into two similar issues of watering down meanings, confusing people. Yeah, there's there's a lot of complexity. And I'm not even saying you're pretending. I understand for every intricate aspect of theory. Right, right.

No, no, absolutely. It's it becomes, you know, why did you why did Marx, right? Das Kapital is so big. He should have written a one page ad in the New York Times, and we all still would have gotten it. Right. That's how simple theory is. Hey, capitalism, I got two words for you. Yeah, suck it.

Yeah, done. So Alex jumps off this and goes on to another headline that I guess is the big news. But the big news when we get back dead man left on gym for others exercise, just how people don't care anymore. This is a sad headline, but that's the big news. I'm not sure that there's any place being part of the news roundup of a national radio show. I don't know. Single person hurt in accident on shows like Alex's.

You'll hear coverage like this a lot because it serves a couple of important emotional purposes for the audience. The first is that a straw man is created of the heartless people who could just exercise while a person next to them was dead. The listener gets to imagine how horrible these people are and feel morally superior to these imaginary people. The second is to demoralize the audience about the state of the world and erode their belief in their fellow persons.

The goal is to present a situation where the audience hears this headline and they imagine that these people in the gym continued to work out fully aware that this person was dead because that's shitty of them. If they didn't know the person was dead and thought possibly he was just resting, then you can't really paint this as a story that highlights the moral degradation of the broader culture. It's really more just a situation where people are minding their own business at the gym. And there's a tragic coincidence.

People not bothering stranger. Yeah, yeah. It's sad and it's unfortunate, but it's not like this is not a news story that like illustrates how bad people are. Yeah, no, it's like he's trying to he's trying to do a sequel to Boondock Saints, but it's about people at the gym who are just like minding their own business. I've been to the gym many times and people could have been dead. There are people who I've seen laying like your favorite word, supine.

Supine. You're never going to let me live that down. They're just laying there. And obviously, you know, if you want to go poke them, you can. But also every time I have been around, they eventually get up because they've just been tired because they're working out. Imagine how many years someone does that. If you're listening to Alex Jones in 2003, right?

And you're like taking this one story to heart. You've missed everything else he's ever said, but you got this one story. How many years are you poking people at the gym before maybe you find a dead guy? You know, your whole life, your whole life. You're never finding a dead guy. You're just poking people now that you're not an asshole. Yeah. So Alex has Craig Roberts back on to try and explain it every time. Oh, sorry. I thought you were dead.

Sorry. I thought you were dead in 2003. Alex Jones on the story where people watched everybody die and I just not going to let it happen. Alex Jones convinced me that the only way to be a good person was to poke everybody. Exactly. So Alex has Craig Roberts back on who is the conspiracy theorist type. And he was on partially because he's going to be in Kansas City with Alex. Right, right, right in this speech. And so that, you know, there's a war going on in the world.

Sure. This is obviously just a distraction from the financial collapse that's happening tomorrow. Yeah. Gold. And then we hit a common theme. If they can keep us in a war, that'll divert us off the plunging economy and the shopping malls being empty because this, it's not just oil or weapon sales. It's about a global police state from Russia to the US. Governments are using the terror as a massive crackdown mechanism.

We know Putin got caught blowing up buildings in Russia. Well, it's order out of chaos. Optical. That's, that's their motto. Every day, Putin and the apartment buildings come up every single day in this stretch. Yeah. Every day. I haven't, I have been keeping track. Not a single episode has gone by that that hasn't come up multiple times. It makes me so mad.

It makes me so mad. It's a cornerstone of his sort of reporting at this point. You can just do whatever you want. You certainly can. That's the lesson of America. If you're a psycho, you can do whatever the fuck you want. So at this point, Alex, he has his interview with Craig Roberts and it's kind of short and I don't really care.

I don't find that guy very interesting. But what is interesting is that Alex then has an interview with his water filter sponsor. Oh, no, bad news coming out. Bad economy and people put their money back in economic indicators. There's no one at the stores. I got a copy of USAID about something computer wise. I go to the mall.

There's no one there, Jim. Well, and that's what that's basically the the story all the way through the economy. And they're saying it's braced for massive terror attacks. We're going to get hit, blah, blah, blah. People, you better get essentials. You better pick up the phone and get these water filters. You are nuts if you don't.

Jim, tell them about the new. That's what they do. That is an incredible new product. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty. That is that is without shame. That is the definition of shameless. Yeah, yeah.

Let's get those water filters. Sponsor on to scare people. Terrorist attacks. They want to scare you with all these terrorist attacks. Let me tell you something, people. The economy is collapsing, so you need water filters. I'm not trying to scare you with terror attacks. I think that, you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit in the past.

But I think it's been a really long time. Like, I think that there is a way to do what Alex is doing in a responsible way. You know, like, be like, hey, you know, there there are dangers in the world. And, you know, let's say if you have a family, it would be good to have a little bit of food stored in case of a natural disaster or something like when I was growing up. There was a worry about tornadoes in Missouri. Yeah, as my parents had some canned food and water in the basement.

Yep. Just as a like, we never ended up needing it. But just in case it's there. Exactly. I always have an extra big bag of cat food on hand because I have a cat. Of course. I don't want to run into a situation where something could happen and I'm not able to take care of this thing. Totally. I think that there is like a way to it's not this, though.

This is exploitative and playing on people's fears. Yeah. There there's a there's a version of this that is like looking at life responsibly and trying to be like, well, you may need this. Right. It's it's not a terrible idea, just in case. And the other side of it is this, like you're you're you're stupid. If you don't get these, these water filters, because there's going to be terrorist attacks and the economy is going to collapse. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

It is unfortunate that that's like that combination of when commerce and capital met psychology and turned it into advertising. And they're like, we can get more stuff. If we emotionally manipulate people, then if we provide them a rational argument. So we're going to emotionally manipulate them the end. So the filter sponsor, he apparently just got some big news from a major scientist about how great his filters are. And Alex tries to set this up.

He still beats Dr. Fauci of all people. I wish. Why not? Let's throw that in there. And I'm not that big of a witch. No, but the the filter sponsor doesn't have time to talk about this. Listen to Alex's disappointment. Let's hear this. So it's really you had a famous scientist do the test.

That's correct. And how about that? Well, Alex, I tell you what, I'm on a business trip and I've got to be somewhere in about 15 minutes. But if I can, I'd like to give a little special out here. Sure. Go ahead, Jim. OK. Very disappointed. He's he's who is the famous scientist? One thing to say. Yeah.

You said a famous scientist. Say the name, then give the ad. Yes. The end. This has been approved by Mary. He's something. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. What's an and crick? Jonas Sock approves of my water filters.

Now we have a special running. Naturally, naturally. Anyway, Alex is another guest. And this is something that he's been promoting all day. He's so excited to have this guy on. He is a Canadian journalist named Barry Zwicker. And he does not like 9-11. It thinks 9-11 was an inside job.

And we have you. All right. So Alex is playing him up as like the biggest deal. Like a huge Canadian journalist, one of the most important in the world. And so here's Barry's introduction to the proceedings. Listen, it's a real pleasure, Alex. I I encountered your face for the first time at the end of that new video called Aftermath, you know, questions, unanswered questions from 9-11.

And I saw that video in San Francisco last month and I really liked what they had you as the last guy punching out a real call for people to wake up. And I really admired that. So Barry Zwicker is an interesting fellow. From everything I can tell, he was a pretty standard and accomplished Canadian journalist. He'd worked for mainstream outlets and then 9-11 happened

and everything seems to have fallen apart. Oh, Zwicker decided that Dennis Miller. Except I don't think that Zwicker has gone full hard right. Or that Dennis Miller was ever funny. I don't know if Zwicker is funny, either fair. He decided that the mainstream media story about the attack wasn't real. But he did have a bit of a different angle on it than Alex. According to what he told reporter Terry Glavin in a 2006 interview,

the end goal of the attack carried out by the White House was to create a war against Islam. OK, that was the conspiracy. Well, in 2004, he would go on to make his own 9-11 film titled The Great Conspiracy, the 9-11 news special you never saw. It's just as good and just as bad as every other 9-11 documentary and has a title that bears all the hallmarks of the early days of Internet clickbait before people really got.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, before it turned into an art form to itself. Yeah, over the years, he's continued to be a 9-11 truther and generally the sort of person you can count on to call just about anything a false flag. I found a recent interview he did with the Global Research News Hour where he was discussing how the storming of the Capitol on January 6th was a false flag. Sure. I kind of expected to hear him doing some Alex shtick,

but it's the exact opposite. He was saying that the event was a false flag inspired or directed by Trump, which honestly makes no sense. No, I love it. The term false flag comes from the idea of a ship attacking someone while flying a different country's flag, so that country gets blamed. If Trump had a bunch of people storming the Capitol or wearing Trump hats, that's not a false flag.

It's just a straight up correct flag. It does seem like that, unless you are implying that because so. So he's saying that Trump was also in on the setup of his own supporters. Yeah, but he doesn't explicitly call it a false flag in order to discredit his own ideology. No, I don't think so, because he doesn't like Trump. Right. But how could Trump be in on a false flag if that's what I'm saying? Semantically, it doesn't make sense. No, of course not. It's tough for me to say, but listening to that interview,

it kind of feels like Zwicker is like an Alex Jones, but with opposite politics. He's making wildly unfounded assertions and claims that don't make sense, but he's also staunchly opposed to Trump and recognizes that like systemic racism exists. Sure. Sure. Hurray. Yeah. His appearance here on Alex's show is a real moment that was possible in 2003, but probably not much later. Not these days. Yeah.

They felt like they were in agreement as far as 9 11 conspiracies were concerned, but they actually didn't agree on anything because they're dreadfully far apart on the left, right paradigm. The left, right paradigm is fairly important in reality. It seems to be. If you judge everything based on something's position in the terms of the right and left spectrum, sure, then maybe that's a little bit reductive itself. There are multiple axes upon which things can be judged.

Yeah. But pretending that that one doesn't exist is a real limitation. Fulls game. Yeah. So Barry. Oh boy. Man, Barry says something in this interview that if it were present day, Alex would lose his God. Okay. I want to hear it. I happen. My hero happens to be a guy named Bertrand Russell, a dead British white philosopher, and he had his own 10 commandments in his first commandment

is never lie to yourself. And I think that is the first and foremost. Don't lie to yourself. Bertrand Russell's would see you got this left wing globalism arm and that's how they catch us all. They got the funny right way and they got the funny left wing, but that's it for another discussion. That is another discussion. So that's a huge tell for me that Alex doesn't believe his own bullshit.

Yeah, what a cheater. According to Info Wars lore, Bertrand Russell's writing outright admits that the globalists plan to drug, sterilize and kill off most of the population. Yeah. Yeah. Russell is one of the old school globalists, according to Alex, who is instrumental in coming up with and publicizing their evil plans. I can understand wanting to have a polite interview, and I do think their times just too agree to disagree about things.

For instance, if Barry thought that the 9-11 planes were remote controlled and Alex felt they were piloted by the hijackers, they could go ahead and agree to disagree without having a gigantic problem sitting on the table. They may have a disagreement, but not a fundamental contradiction. Not a deal breaker. Right. Yes. Barry isn't just saying that he kind of likes Bertrand Russell. He says Russell is his hero.

Barry is a guy who's worked for major papers and he's taught college courses. So it stands to reason that if he says that Bertrand Russell is his hero, he's probably read as much or more of his writing than Alex has. This is why to me, this cannot be an agree to disagree moment. In order for Alex to maintain all the narratives he has in play, he has to be agreeing to disagree about his guest hero worshiping, a guy who's who he has read, discussing the plans to kill off most of the human population. Yeah.

There's no other reasonable conclusion to come to with the information provided other than that Barry is an enthusiastic fan of globalist conspiracies. He loves him. Yeah, Alex should want to fight him. It does seem like Alex is like, OK, OK, I get it. We agree that nine eleven was an inside job. So I'm going to gloss over the fact that your hero is the architect of killing everybody.

So we can really get to the bottom of this nine eleven thing. Like you might be missing the forest for the fallen trees, if you will. Yeah. Yeah. Alex knows that there's nothing he can do and he can't really fight him on this because he knows that Barry's read Bertrand Russell. He doesn't know anything about probably way more conversant on the subject than Alex is. Be very embarrassing. Alex also knows that if he presses the issue,

he risks revealing that his shit about Russell's made up. But he also knows that he can't just let a statement like that stand. And thus you end up with his middle ground, a spineless agreeing to disagree about one of the top thinkers of the gigantic demonic conspiracy that Alex has made his entire career about fighting happening. Like it's just it's ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. Because if if you're saying that you're above the left, right paradigm,

you should be more unhappy with like the plan instead of being like, well, there's globalists on the left, there's globalists on the right. What are you going to do? Hey, you went sub you lose some stuck in the middle. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think that I think that what I mean, obviously, this is me just sort of spitballing and coming up with what I think is the most likely explanation for this. And that is that I think that Alex's branding at this point is so

dependent on him being able to pretend this left-right paradigm thing as an illusion. Yeah. So for him to have someone who's ostensibly a 9 11 conspiracy theorist who's on the left or has left tendencies and left politics. Sure. I don't think he wants to fight with that guy. I think it's really important for them to have some kind of an appearance of an alliance, right, especially with the way that Alex has been building him up

as like this big giant reporter and like super important person in in Canada. Yeah. And so I think I think that that takes precedence over. This guy's hero is one of your main villains. Yeah. Well, I mean, he can't look. He can't think that Barry isn't aware of Bertrand Russell, right? Right. He can't think that he hasn't read the same things that Alex is right. Well, I mean, because Alex is taking advantage of that.

So the enemy of my enemy is not my friend. And you can prove that because Alex is taking advantage of people thinking that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Yep. It's fairly simple. Open and shut case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they take some calls with Barry and this guy really really creep me out. This guy is so creepy. Let's talk to Bill in Alaska.

You're on the air with our guest. Go ahead. Yes, sir, Alex, I I just had to call in. I got I got it. I got an enemy that hasn't been mentioned yet on today's show. And the American people want to know why this is like this. All we got to do is look in the mirror. Jim Jones and the case in point.

I don't believe he was as guilty as the people that followed him. Oh, he couldn't have been a bad leader. OK, if he hadn't had followers. OK, creep. Wow. Wow, you're going to need to sell me a lot more on that one. He does not. You're going to need a lot more salesmanship on that take. I will tell you, delivery and content, both creepy as hell.

That's no good. I don't I don't like a fucking bit player from Bonanza from Alaska, telling me that Jim Jones was a good leader. Hey, in terms of death cults, man, in terms of like mass suicide cults, don't hate the player. Hate the game. What is happening? I don't know. Here's the problem. People follow Jim Jones.

If he wasn't such a good leader, then they wouldn't have followed him. So it's their fault. What? OK, all right. All right, I'll be Alaskan cowboy. Yeah, here to tell you about death cults. So the rest of the calls are kind of black, kind of kind of boring. Sure. But then the interview takes a turn hard south

when Barry starts talking about his new DVD. Oh, OK, OK. We're having an incredible it looks like it looks like we're moving toward five hundred sales. There's a we have we have an equation here in Canada is called a 10 percent thing because the population of Canada is but one tenth of the population of USA. So whatever happens in the states,

we usually divide it by 10 and figure that's normal. OK, for those that don't know, you're a national television house. You did this on your own and you write for newspapers and you just put together this video and believe me, it'll be a lot more than five hundred of you get the word out. But that is awful. Like Alex straight up laughs at him. He says he sold five hundred.

Yeah, yeah, that was not a I'm laughing with you. No, that was an I'm laughing at you. That was a great almost uncontrollable response to like you fucking shit. Oh, no, five hundred. Get get out of here. And there's also the problem of like, all right, even the rule of tens. He's all five thousand.

That's still not still not great for what Alex is presenting. No. And so what that does is it appears as the illusion that Alex has created about this guy throughout the national writer. He's been on TV. He's the biggest, most important journalist in Canada. And he can get upwards of five hundred. Well, upwards of four hundred and ninety nine people to really get these. Yeah, yeah, it really hurts the facade.

And you can tell that there is a tonal change in Alex after this. Like specific number has been given because like I can't. I know now you're nothing to me. He can't pretend that he is like Rush Limbaugh of Canada. Right. Right. If if he's only moving those many units, like my audience, just like there's just I can't deny that math. Yeah. And so it's, you know, it is what it is.

And it doesn't it doesn't go much longer. But Alex does finish out this episode with some fairly standard complaining. A number of people detain is on the rise in Russia to Stalinist levels. It says here in the Moscow Times, just total slavery over there. But they don't call it communism. They call it crony capitalism. Same thing, command and control. Alex brings up the Putin bombings and like at least four times in this episode.

Like it's really excessive. And then he says this about the Russian state. I find this fascinating because in the present day, when he's trying to defend Putin, Alex will say that Russia isn't a globalist country. It's a system of crony capitalism. It's a positive thing now. Or at least it's not as bad as globalism. Yeah.

Crony capitalism isn't a negative command and control system in the present day to Alex. I could speculate about what the reason for this change is. But honestly, I would just be guessing it's a glaring difference though. It's it's pretty weird, pretty weird. I don't know. Yeah. So the sixteenth is Friday and Alex is en route to Kansas City. Sure.

He's going to speak at the local radio station and he's not in studio. What's that? A six hour drive from Austin? Yeah. I have no idea. And I think it's more. I think it's probably more. It's probably nine hours.

I don't know if he's actually driving because I think he said he flew back. I don't know. I don't care. Anyway, the point is he takes Friday here to distract you with weird questions. He takes Friday off and then he comes back on Monday because I don't think he has a Sunday show at this point. So he comes back on Monday and here we go. Completely different subject.

There are now mainstream news articles reporting on what we've been saying for years. The evidence of mind control triggers in the matrix films. And here it is. We've been saying this for about three years. And here it is in the mainstream news. Did you know that Malvo, the supposed sniper who looks like a mind control victim. Is out there now saying that that is certainly involved. I wonder how we knew about this three years ago.

Well, there's just a lot of key indicators and of course, Harris and the others involved there in the Columbine situation were obsessed with the matrix and that we'll be discussing it a little bit later. It could be a coincidence, which somehow I doubt it. Okay, could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. This is this is nonsense. I got to tell you what the first hour of this show is basically just Alex saying over and over again that the new Treasury Secretary has been bad mouthing the dollar.

And this is leading to it collapsing in relation to the Euro fine. And this is the only thing that seemed actually even interesting in about the first hour. It's it is a desert. Wow, wow, it was a 19th was a tough walk. It's it's so great whenever people are like, oh, this the matrix is mind control. And then you're like, okay, well, 20 years ago, the Manchurian candidate was telling us that the mind control is happening.

And then 20 years before that, you know, I just I just don't care what you think about movies. Yeah, I just don't care. And look, I would say that probably the matrix has some ideas that are explored, maybe not as eloquently as they could have been. And maybe that confuses some people. Sure. Further, it has a aesthetic that a lot of people adopt.

Yeah. And maybe you could trace those things to some of these shooters. But I don't know. I also think I also think that generally speaking, when you have somebody like there are a couple of stories that Alex brings up and it's people who shot somebody and then said they were trying to flee the matrix. Sure. In order to get an insanity play.

Sure. I'm not positive necessarily how these cases shook out and how much of that was just a defense argument. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Seems like something that could have been a popular defense. I'll toss that out.

What am I either plead guilty because everybody saw me do it or I'm going to shoot my shot. You know, you know, your shot sometime, you don't make you miss 100% of the shots you don't take though, dad. That's true. That's true. That's what everybody else. That's what they're saying. Yeah.

Isn't that Gretzky? Who cares? Anyway, Gretzky's dad. Dad Gretzky. So yeah, it's, I was excited at least to hear about Alex's thoughts about the matrix. Sure. He doesn't get into them. Of course not.

It's a real, it's a real desert. I was walking around. Wait, this is 2003. So reloaded hadn't even come out yet, right? It's about to. It's about to. I think it just came out. It just came out.

Alex does say like, I'm going to try and go see the matrix tonight. Sure. So it is out in theaters, but yeah, reloaded had just come out. And actually I was going back through it because I was looking over the plots of those movies and I was like, I'm not sure I saw the third one. This plot seems foreign to me. Oh, you, look, you could watch it again and you'd be like, this, I don't think this is, and then you would forget it tomorrow.

I definitely saw the second one because I remember the architect. I remember the architect. Yeah, but I vocabulary instead of writing, I sure I saw the third one because I know if I saw the first two, I would want to finish it. Oh, the third one, I don't remember, and then you move on, but I was reading the plot. I'm like, I don't remember that. Yeah, no, I think, okay, let me see if I've seen the final fight scene. Okay, just in a YouTube video or something like that.

But I don't think I've, I saw the plot of like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. YouTube video or something like that. But I don't think I've, I saw the plot of like, I don't remember that. How much, how much do you remember from the plot that you read? I'm going to see if I can't off the dome, the third matrix. All right. I remember broad strokes of it.

Okay. So you can give it a try. All right, here we go. When it, it opens up a Neo, it just passed out because in the second one, he turns out he can use electric powers in the real world. Right, right, right. They wake up and he's actually in the matrix, even though he's not plugged into the matrix. He's in the sick bay or whatever.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. So then eventually he wakes up and blah, blah, blah. They meet in the, the matrix and come out he and what's her face. They both go on Trinity. They both go on a suicide mission into the evil place. Right. They fly up over into the sky and they're like, in the meantime at Zion, the final

attack is going on and all the fucking, oh no. And there's all these blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that goes on for a while. From what I understand, so far, so good. Yeah. There's a guy and he's like, and they got these weird mech suits and then there's some heroic action because it's a war and it's a movie and you got to do that. Then Neo and Trinity, they make it through Neo and the AI are both like, hey man,

this agent Smith dude is fucking out of control. Right. So the AI plugs the Neo into the AI and they're like, you better solve this fucking problem. Right. Yeah. So he winds up being absorbed by agent Orange Smith after a massive, useless, pointless fight and then the AI is like blowing them all up and they start over and everybody finally breaks the cycle and everything's cool for a while at least.

I think that's basically it. Yeah. I'm out of breath. The part that when I was reading over the plot, I was like, I don't remember this at all. What's that? Neo negotiating with the robots. Oh, you don't remember? That's what I'm talking about.

Yeah. And the robot's face comes out and it's all like, and the robot's mad. No, I don't remember that. I don't remember that at all. Yeah. It was weird. It was weird. The robot AI did a lot of roaring, which seems like a weird thing for the AI to be into.

But no, because the AI would know what would intimidate a human. Yeah, but it seems like a, I don't know. He doesn't even have eyes anymore. So why would you? He can see. I'm excited for the fourth one. That's all I'm saying. There's a fourth one.

There's it's coming. That's right. I remember hearing that. Yeah. I may have to go watch the third one and see if I've seen it because that seemed like, I can't believe that was the plot. Oh, it's bad. I don't know.

It's real bad. I don't know if it sounded bad on paper. Like it sounds, no. In execution. In execution, it's bad. I do wonder if the, like, I don't, I don't think, I mean, I'll defend slightly reloaded. Like, I think that's not as bad as maybe some people have said. I mean, there are some fun things.

The twins were cool. Sure. They, they turned invisible for a while and then they showed up. That's fun. Yeah. I got to watch that third one. We should do that as like a live stream. As a live stream.

Yeah, I'll do that. I'll watch the matrix revelation video. See if I actually saw it when I was younger. Amen. Anyway, Alex doesn't get into talking about this much, but he does have some other news that's fresh from the bureau desk that's in his imagination. Okay. Now they're saying forget about ever capturing Saddam.

These are all staged events. Saddam worked for the CIA starting in 1958. Looks like they gave him the amnesty deal and during the campaign, he had requested it and then refused it and told it to be tried to flee. It would be arrested or assassinated. It looks like in the midst of the war over there, they cut a deal and all resistance melted away. So Alex is reporting basically that Saddam got an amnesty deal. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I don't know who negotiated that one. I think they left a few people out of the negotiations if he got an amnesty deal. I think Alex negotiated this with himself. I think that might have been the case. So here on the 19th, we got another familiar theme. Vladimir Putin was caught in 99 attacking his own soft targets. That is apartment buildings.

Three buildings were blown up. They said the Chechnyans did it. The Chechnyans screamed, why would we do that and bring on an attack? No. The Russian government's doing it. And then Moscow police not knowing what the other hand was doing, the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing, caught members of the FSB. The modern KGB that Putin was heading up for Boris Yeltsin,

caught them in the building planting hexagen explosives. They got the explosives, arrested them, and then they were raided by the police station. Was raided in Moscow at paramilitary forces from the KGB slash FSB GRU. So here's the thing. When Alex talks about these ideas that he has about Putin, he is not talking about just like, I have a vague sense that that guy's bad. No, no, no. He's talking about things that are concrete events that he knows to be true.

Now, for him to change his position on this, he needs to show his work. He needs to explain why is that no longer true? Right, right. Were you wrong here or did these events? Do you have a new explanation for all of this? And he doesn't ever do that. He just sort of switches. And it's it's nuts to me to go back and listen to this and see just how consistently

it is just like fucking Putin. He's false flagging around. Yeah, you know, it would be ironic if what seems to be one of like the main pillars of his everything is a false flag thing, because these are documented events where you're like, yeah, Putin did that shit, you know. So his main evidence that you can follow up on is now not at all mentioned and wiped away, despite the fact that he still claims that everything is a false flag. Right.

Just not that. It's strange. It would be ironic if you weren't aware that he's just a psycho, that none of this matters, and he's going to use whatever he feels like using however he feels like using it. Yeah. So it's it's completely within his character. And this also seems a bit more like what you would expect from somebody who's like this anti-communist crusader type.

You know, like Russia and China are evil as opposed to like China's evil. But Russia's actually really pretty sweet. Yeah, I don't know. It's it's I want to learn more about this. I like how they keep those women from talking in churches. It makes me feel good. I want to learn more about this, but I don't really know much more than Alex will not stop talking about Putin blowing up the apartment buildings in 2003.

Yeah. There's not really a lot more like sort of detail to it, but I'm keeping my eyes open and I'll let you know if anything comes up and a very short. Has he already been on RT a bunch? Or is this is like in a very short period of time he will go on RT a bunch. I'm not sure when he started appearing on that. I know he I know he does after this. Yeah.

Yeah. So I would imagine after he hasn't been on there like let's see what Alex has to say today. I would guess not. Yeah. So Alex has another guest at this point. He's on. It's Dennis Cutty.

He's another conspiracy New World Order guy. I love his kid's music. Basic kid. Cutty. I like his wife Dr. Cutty from House. There we go. There we go. Now you're playing the game.

So he's on for like the rest of the show and it's just rambling about basic ass New World Order conspiracy talking points. It's a lot of the same stuff we covered in the endgame documentary and it bored the hell out of me. That said it's a far cry from the content that Alex produces these days. This is at very least a show that's striving to be about an alleged conspiracy. It goes off track pretty regularly. It provides horrible information and it ignores stories in favor of headlines but huge chunks

of time are devoted to talking about a vague unsourced accusation about like the Bilderberg group and Bohemian Grove. Sure. So we're not going to talk too much about this interview but there is one very important moment. Okay. Like down for this. All right.

They use facilitators to through various Delphi techniques to do this and Edward Bernays who was hired by William Palin in 1928 as his chief advisor with CBS wrote a book called Propaganda and in that book he said we're like an invisible government. We know how to manipulate you and at the end he says I was sort of like Ross Barrow. He says we need a businessman politician type to say I must leave the people and am I not their servant. You know here's what you say you want and it's really facilitated. Please continue.

Alex is eating. Alex is eating. I'd not heard that in 2003. Oh please continue. Yeah. So Alex is clearly eating there but also that also is funny. A lot of stuff keep going. Keep going.

Also the stuff also the content of that is pretty funny. Yeah that he's it's it's kind of funny that I already brought up advertising. Psychology and then 20 minutes later he's like Edward Bernays. And also yeah the businessman leader. Yeah that one is hard to look away from. Yeah Alex should listen to some of his old episodes. I think you'd be horrified. So a caller calls in he and Cuddy take calls and one of the things that I noticed actually

when I was listening to this is like Cuddy is old school like with his new world order stuff. He has the all the talking points that you'd expect to hear on old time new world order conspiracy shows or and I was like this guy I bet he knows Bill Cooper. And so I was looking through the hour of the time archives and he's been on. Oh of course he's like back in 96 he was on hour of the time like yep that checks out. Wow. Yeah I wonder what he does for a day job. I think he writes books probably goes on speaking things.

I don't know how do you get that scam. Anyway there's a caller who calls in. And Alex has reported that Saddam Hussein has got a plea deal. Sure. And this caller says that one of our old friends Joel Scousen. Okay. Is reporting on something a little bit different. Scousen is reported by Joel Scousen as saying that Saddam Hussein has been moved in is it

located now in the side of the United States. Other ports out of Europe. The evidence from Russia. It's the same fact that he's been one of the other. John. Yes. The evidence shows that he was probably taken out to Russia. They probably gave him the MSDL in the middle of the fight.

They could still try a double though so look out. So this is the first reference I've had to someone bringing up Scousen. Which is interesting that it's taken you know we're 19 days into the month of you know where we begin in 2003 and you know no such a familiar face in other periods of time and this is the first reference to him. And he thinks that Saddam's in the United States. Sure. Alex says no no no no no Russia.

So they're both wrong. Oh man these guys these guys and also that ending of just leaving it open for now there could also be a double cross you never know they could anything could be true right now. The evidence of which I have none is all pointing towards this place that I just made up. So there we go. So you have you have Cuddy who's been on in the month of May 2003 already. And you also had Colonel Craig Roberts who was on who's been on before. So you have some familiar faces starting to like appear to be there.

Sure. But none of the familiar faces that we know. Right. You know there's I haven't seen any mention of Steve Pachennik. I haven't heard anything about Joel Scow. Well I mean I guess we just got some Scousen. Right. But Paul Craig Roberts you know a couple of other folks who were like

Webster Tarpley. Sure. These kinds of Jerome Corsi. These folks are not figures in Alex's world at this point or at least have not made themselves known. Right. Yeah. Right.

Right. There's another person who also has not made himself known yet. And I found it very confusing that this is the first mention I've seen of him. Yes. Very good show today. My question is a little bit off topic but I was wondering if either one of you happen to know what might have happened to Bob Chapman the gold expert. No I don't.

No I don't know. We've had Bob on as a guest but he's still writing his newsletters. Basically he's been criticizing the bankers a little bit angry with him but go ahead. Okay that was that was my question. So I find it very curious that Alex takes this tone when this caller brings up Bob Chapman. For those who haven't heard the episodes covering other periods of time. Bob Chapman is one of Alex's most regular guests for a stretch of years leading up to his death in 2012.

He's an alleged precious metals expert who Alex used as a scene partner when doing extended commercials for Midas Resources the gold sales company that syndicated Alex's show. Also Bob claims to have been invited to a screening of a film of Ronald Reagan getting pegged. True. For years Bob was on Alex's show every Friday. Outside of people who host the fourth hour it's tough for me to think of anyone else who had what amounts to basically a standing engagement on Alex's schedule.

To hear Alex saying he doesn't know what's up with him and sounding like he doesn't want to talk about it in 2003 is really weird. Things get even weirder when you consult issues of his newsletter. The international forecaster from back in 2003. They're not all available online but there are two that I could find from 2003 January 2003 and even back then Bob clearly had a working relationship with Midas Resources. Quote special offer you may also order it and it's in reference to the book The Beast from Jekyll Island by calling Midas Resources Incorporated.

Midas Resources will give you a silver dollar from the early 1900s a 12 dollar value just for purchasing the book at its normal price of 1995. It seems clear to me that this business relationship with Midas is intact at this point even prior to this episode that we're listening to now. So whatever weird energy Alex is giving off it seems like it's probably personal. I read over Bob's newsletters to see if I could find any reasons that Alex might not want to associate with him at this point. I'm not sure if I see anything.

In one of his January issues he predicts an imminent return of the gold standard in the United States because of the war in the Middle East. What a surprise that he would want or predict that. Yeah the the war is going to put pressure on economies you know that it's fairly standard kind of stuff you know you can see Alex not disagreeing with that. He does say quote the Muslims believe they can destroy capitalism by forcing gold to the forefront and we agree that this could and probably will be successful which is a little weird but it does not seem like it's outside of Alex's wheelhouse.

It doesn't seem like you'd burn a bridge over that. What a wild thing to think slash even wilder to say. Some of the next issues that I could find were from July 2003 and honestly it just kind of sounds like a transcript of something Alex might say at some point in his life. Quote all we can say is buy gold and silver coins and shares as fast as possible. The ship is sinking and there's no sense in drowning with the rest of the idiots. Incidentally exercise your constitutional rights and legally arm yourself and your families to the teeth. Whoa this isn't going to be nice. Jesus Christ I just want to buy some gold man.

The only thing I can find in there that I could see Alex being pissed off about is that Bob advises his readers to buy gold and silver but if they have to invest in currency that they are going to hide they should favor the euro or Swiss franc to the US dollar. I could see Alex thinking this was bad mouthing the dollar like the treasury secretary was. Yeah that would make sense. I don't know but that's the only thing that stuck out to me as like Alex would not like that. You should always favor the dollar if you're going to favor currencies. Yeah. Especially not the fucking euro. It does seem that when they say like what happened to Bob what they're suggesting is like Bob went off the rails somewhere and saying that the dollar isn't

the single greatest thing in the world is probably. Well all fiat currencies are evil but if there must be one you have to protect the world reserve currency status of the dollar. Right. Right. I don't know. I could see that being and I did also get that sense that like something had happened. There was some problem. I can't get any sense of like what that's in reference to. Yeah. But it could be that. Yeah. Because you could because Bob can't get out of pocket. You know like Bob is expendable. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe not. He's all picked. He's a video of Reagan. That's fair. Incidentally Bob Chapman's newsletter is definitely without a doubt written by Bob Chapman. You know there's a lot of these folks who have these newsletters that are like

God I don't know. Somebody's writing my names on it. Yeah. Ron Paul. Yeah. Bob cannot claim that. He calls people who don't take his financial advice idiots and he's basically just fucking with his readers quote. Don't forget as interest rates go back up to say seven or eight percent you will lose money on the value of bonds unless you buy it par and hold to maturity. Most of you may be dead by then. We don't have all the answers but this is the way we see it. We've been making these kinds of decisions for forty three years so we guess this qualifies us to voice our opinion. It's outrageous stuff. Considering this is like it's supposed to be a financial advice newsletter. Not a you're all going to die. Put a hundred dollars in gold and

die idiot. Yeah. Whatever. It's life or death. Bury some Swiss francs and get a gun. What are you doing. Why. Why is this good financial advice. Yeah. I have no idea what happened to the two of them but it's an open question that I'm excited to learn more about as we. But we see him later on. Yeah I know. We see him in 2009 at least you know. No definitely. So I know that there is some sort of a coming back together and I'm going to guarantee that at no point do they discuss what their differences were. No absolutely no no no no. But I wonder if I'll be able to learn more like if another caller calls in and brings up specifics or something. I'm going to keep my eye open on this one. So one of the other things that I'm tracking very closely trying to understand

is whether or not Alex Jones believes he's fighting the literal devil in 2003. True. We know in the present day he believes that the devil is the head of the globalist conspiracy. Everybody's speaking to him extra dimensionally or being possessed by demons. True. I'm not entirely sure if that is the case in 2003. So every time there's some kind of an indication of something I like to bring it to the forefront. And I don't know if this has anything about Alex but Cuddy definitely believes in literal biblical prophecy. All right. New York is defined in the federal regulations as the United Nations. And when Rudolph Giuliani stated on CPAN that we're the capital of the world. Yeah. New York City was a capital of the world and quote he was

correct. And that is found at CFR Chapter 111. So Dr. Cuddy comments to what he's saying. Well even taking that one step further in terms of just biblical in times you know Revelation 18 and what happens there and it has to be a port city and everybody says New York and everybody says well that was the World Trade Center. I don't think though because when you get around verse 22 remember it says and a candle would be seen no more and that would be symbolic of the Statue of Liberty. OK. Something may be coming up. Thank you very much. Amazing information. So Alex doesn't necessarily jump in with him in the let's decode and revelation. Yeah. But he's also like oh that's amazing information that you know like he's he's encouraging of it

in the guest but he's not engaging in it himself. I find that interesting. Yeah. It does seem like he's I mean it from what we've seen he's allowed other people. He's platforming a hell of a lot of a lot of biblical talk but he's always been reticent to jump in on his own and and really give people a full-throated hell yeah. Revelation 18 is how we're going to get through this. You know he does. He does seem to be walking that line a little bit. So Cudi takes off after a very long interview and Alex gets down to business. I'm going to go see the film Matrix. It's got its new age message the paper here in Austin and the entertainment pages said it's a new religion in America. Well it's not new it's Hindu or slash Buddhism or whatever but so you haven't seen the

movie yet. Oh my god but it's Hindu slash Buddhism or whatever but also maybe it's designed to make people kill. I've got a London Guardian story about it at times of London article US killers blame Matrix after random shootings. Matrix firms films blame for series of murders by obsessed fans. There are films that use triggers to go out there but the government doesn't even have to brainwash you now in person. Certain susceptible minds who are programming through the culture with your big TV heads can be activated. I'm not saying the Matrix does that. We know they have these technologies. We know there's key indicators in it. We know that some of the things that Chief Moose said you know the duck is in the news or whatever is a known trigger and then Malbo and

the other guys show up. Ahamid show up. It goes on and on but I don't like to speculate but I'll tell you what if I get a chance to see it tonight. I don't like to speculate. Slap all I'm doing is slap sir. I speculate wildly but man I don't like it. I pull out my white glove. That would be like me saying I don't like to check into things Alex says. I seem to do it a lot. Frankly I'm honestly a very quiet person. I think people have recognized that for a long time. I don't like to be natural tendencies. I don't like to be loud. So on this 19th this May 19th episode we have one last clip and this is literally the only mention of the bath party that I heard at all. And I should say that we are now past the point where the policy of debathification has been openly announced

and there are people who are coming out and speaking about getting rid of all party members within government and such. And here's Alex's take on that. There's more tyranny than ever. They're putting the bath party back in the control while giving speeches that they aren't. Oh nice. Well done. So there we go. Wait a side step that one. Just a walk outside. Oh that train is coming to hit me. Excuse me. Step aside. Don't care. Yeah. Jesus. This isn't going to work for long. I guess it's fine now on the 19th. Yeah for I'm for I mean like a day. It buys you some time. Yeah. But this is not going to be the way that this is this isn't going to this isn't going to pass the smell test for very long. No. So I think I think we'll probably get thousands of people

are removed from their posts. It's going to be tougher to be like they're still in there. Yeah. I think I think we're going to get more in depth into this stuff in the coming days of of 2003 because I think the Alex is going to have to try and wiggle a bit and I'm interested to see how that plays out. There is actually like you know a couple of really compelling threads that I'm starting to see in 2003 that I really want to learn more about. One is the anti-Putin stuff. Sure. Two is the debathification. Three is Alex and Bob Chapman. Right. Well I mean and you can just expand that out to like side characters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's our what's our legion of doom here. Well it's like I don't know you're playing a sequel to a video game or a prequel

and like the main character is the same but maybe they're in a different place and so you have a different NPC characters and different side characters like the cube. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm wondering where the old friends are and where who these new people are and so you know there I enjoy. I'm enjoying this a bit more and I want to continue it. Oh do you want to learn more. Do you mean you're enjoying learning and discovering new things like you always have and now that you're in the present where we are rarely learning anything and often discovering the same things daily. This is new and exciting for you. Yeah. Kind of. That sounds right. There's at least interesting context and things to discuss whereas I think in the present day most episodes I do

end up could could just be like he didn't read this. Yeah. So dumb dumb. So we get to the 20th and Alex I was hoping had seen the Matrix because you know I love a movie review. He said he was going to see it on the 19th. He did not go see the Matrix. What. What did he get busy. Yeah probably. So but he's going to talk about it a little more. Also Matrix maker rejects crime links. We're not saying crime links and I'm not saying crime links. Some have said mind control trigger links. A bunch of idiots. This is Alex correct in the record. Call him David Brock because he is correct. I'm not going to let people slander me in public. Crime links. Pasha house how silly how silly for someone to think that the Matrix has crime links. I would never. They control

minds. There's a mind control trigger link. Right. Jesus. Now the trigger makes you commit crime. These plebes I'm telling you stay out of my business. Anyway Alex has a guest on. Sure. And this is a wild guest for Alex to have on for a number of reasons. This could never have happened in any other period of time. Okay. And it doesn't. It doesn't go super well. But this guy named Noah Shackman who has an article in Wired that had just come out about a DARPA program. We'll talk about it a little bit more. But he Alex distorts some of the ideas around surveillance and such in order to introduce Noah. It's a new level of corruption. We're all prisoners. The kids are thumb scanning to get school lunches and thousands of school districts. The thumb scanners

are going in the banks going in the grocery stores going in everywhere. It's it's total. It's 180 degrees from what America is supposed to be. And they say it's the stop terror while the borders are wide open. And while the feds are starting to accept that 800 plus cities the fake IDs of illegals from Poland to Mexico. And Noah Shackman is on the air with us. Noah, thanks for coming on the show today, sir. Thanks for having me. This is there's no way to really understate this. This is or overstate this. I should say this is this is scary. I'm going to guess that you if you were to find Noah Shackman and today and ask what he thinks about having been a guest on Alex's show, you might not get an answer. Because at this point in 2003, Shackman worked at Wired. But now

in 2021, he's currently the editor in chief of the Daily Beast, an outlet that Alex screams about quite often for their very cruel coverage of the stupid things he says and does. Wow. Yeah. That is a career path. That is a career path. Yeah. He's on the show because he wrote an article in Wired about early possible plans from DARPA to create a project called Life Log, which would seek to compile all available data on individuals to be able to tell the story of their lives. It was outrageously fucked up as an idea and it did not end up coming to pass for a number of reasons. One was probably public backlash, but another was probably the unfeasibility of creating a system that would be able to do this in any meaningful, usable way. Yeah. Now the NSA just

grabs our metadata. Duh. This is beyond that. I understand the conception of what this life law thing would be. The primary sourcing on the program was a solicitation from DARPA for people to make proposals on how to create this program that they had the name for and an idea of what they wanted it to do, but not much else. This is to say that there wasn't a program they were testing. They were requesting people to put in bids to create a program to do some pretty overly ambitious and overly fucked up things. America, the Pentagon deserves your money. Yeah. As I understand it from the way Noah describes it, the way they were hoping to start some of this research was to have researchers themselves do like mock trips places and see if this program

that they had created could log their like physical movements, their transactions and stuff like that. Sure. And they did not work out. Yeah. No. And also that's astonishingly fucked up. Yeah. No kidding. Wow. I can understand that is I can understand how someone might look at like, boy, that would be really helpful in criminal investigations. And I don't sure, probably. No, it would make it very easy, but the fact of it existing has a lot of other ramifications that I don't think there would be some problems. I think that they would outweigh it on the seesaw. I would say that if you're looking at that program as a positive, you are wearing rose tinted glasses at the, at the very least. Yeah. The point is government surveillance is a real

issue that is taken seriously by serious people and it appears that Noah is one of them. I suspect that he accepted this booking because in 2003, no one really knew how not serious Alex is and how Alex will take any opportunity to use Noah's credibility to advance nonsense exaggerations of his underlying reporting. And that's all that's going on here. And I think Noah's polite. I will say that. Okay. And I think Alex is trying to red pill him. That sounds right. Big National Association of Banks and that's up in Minnesota. They're doing it. Now, even if you have an account, they're going to want you to thumb scan. Yeah. You know, I don't, like I said, I don't know about that particular program,

but I know that there's definitely an overall effort to make that happen. Well, that makes the cash digital and basically a part of a digital system. You know, there's already RFID tags in the money. I know it was more of a radio frequency identifiers have been in for six years and total reserve says if you don't keep your money in the bank, they're going to be value it off those tags. So what I'm telling you is this is maybe a lot further along than you knew, sir. Yeah, it, you know, it could be. So there's just that is that's more polite than I would have been when he's like, you know, there's already RFID in the money. I'd been like, fuck you. And they're going to do value it. Fuck you. How does that work? If you don't put it in the bank. How wait,

but how would that work? Well, there's a hundred dollar bill that the RFID chip is going to take a zero off of it. So so I try and use it and it's only worth like ninety seven dollars because I had it for too long. You had it for too long. There's a there's also a little ticking timer on it. How does this work? How does this work? You're just renting money by the hour. Okay. Is it is it possible that what the system would be is that if too many people have too many hundred dollar bills out, then all hundred dollar bills will be devalued. Oh, almost some sort of in place. It like if there's too much of something, it's like it goes and then it delutes the overall value. I don't know how the RFID chips would be necessary for that. It seems like they

would be extraneous. Anyway, he's very polite. And Alex starts talking about the finger scanning at the grocery store that you're going to need to do. And it's like, you know, it's the extension of self checkout lanes. And of course, as Alex always does when he talks about this, like, then I'm going to have to bag my own groceries. Now that's not really a problem, but it seems like he's, he's not happy about it. Oh man, this leads to a little bit of a disagreement. Okay. I mean, the biometric consortium and the grocery stores say they want to pull the checkout lanes out and make yourself serve and thumb scan. And I mean, I don't want, I don't want to back my own groceries. You know, that's a more low level threat here. And they're going to put that would be a low

level and then pull out the other ones and make you do it. That's the plan. We're only a few years away from this. Well, on this, I think on this point, I'll, I'll agree to disagree with you here. You know, I don't see this as necessarily a job killer, but I do see it, you know, as a really invasive intrusion into our lives. Well, what I'm saying is sir, they pull out three checkout lanes of 10, put in biometric ones, self checkout, then they pull out all the rest of the lanes and make you check your own stuff out. They're saying they're going to do this. Right. Well, I haven't seen that, but you know, even assuming that's true, you know, the biometric part is a little is nerve-wracking to me, but you know, back my own groceries doesn't book me that much. Jesus. Yeah, that's so funny.

That's so funny. He's coming here to talk about the plan that DARPA has to try and log every aspect of a human life and then expand that to every human on the planet. And Alex comes back with, I'm going to have to bag my own groceries, man. I'm not positive. Actually, even from reading that, that prior article, the solicitation for bids. Oh, sure. I'm not even positive necessarily that the plan was ever to make it for everyone. Sure. Sure. I think that even I don't even think that they would think that was possible. No, of course not. I think it. I think it was something that could be abused. Yeah. Wow. Were it to exist? Absolutely. And yeah, the article that Noah wrote, Noah Shackman wrote in Wired is a discussion of this,

a discussion of the moral implications, the people, even within the sort of technological community being worried about this. Yeah, problem. And it's an actual article. And then he goes on Alex's show. It's sensibly to talk about it. Right. And this is what ends up happening. It's like I'm going to have to bag my own groceries. I'm a serious person. I have to put my thumb all right on the groceries. I got to go and then it's going to unlock them. And that's how you have to get groceries now. And I have to put them in my own bags. Another thing that is a concern of both serious people and Alex is drones. And sure, you know, there is also relevant conversations around that that don't involve info wars stuff. And Noah brings up drones.

Are the drones going to bring my groceries to me? That's not that's not the context of this. Okay. But this is how the interview ends. Okay. There's some really creepy uses for drones domestically. Well, it's like they live with little drone flies up and even looks the same. I'm sorry. What did you say? You ever seen they live? They live. That's what the the rowdy Roddy Piper movie. Yeah, that's the John Carpenter film. Yeah, that's great. The drones even look the same. Is that right? I haven't seen that movie at all. We got one that can see. Maybe you can see Noah. Thanks for joining us, Grant. Thanks much. I just I just want more. I want more of that on my regular news. I want more of like, at the end

of a very serious interview with a fucking general or some bullshit that I'm just being like, hey, you know, real quick, have you seen they live recently? That's kind of a pretty good movie. Yeah. I think I think it's a lot of fun. And I wish Alex would have swung harder and been like, did you know that the matrix is a mind control trigger? Totally. What? Go for it. Once you open the can of worms, I want you to get to matrix mind control. Yeah. So Alex is another guest on after this. It's a guy named Rick Adams, who's a talk show host out of Rhode Island. I believe Alex has been welcomed on his show. And so now the favor is repaid. Sure. Sure. Alex keeps referring to this station. W. A. L. E. as a, I think it's like a 50

megawatt blowtorch. Oh, no. He says that like five times. Yeah. Somebody, somebody gave him that and he went crazy. Yeah. Anyway, their credibility is up. Rick, I remember 10 years ago, you remember back further than that, but a Patriots talking about everything that's now happening today. Yes. And now what's happened is our credibility has exploded because over the years people heard us warn them about all this. Now they've seen it happening. So our credibility is skyrocketed. Absolutely. You know, when I was in college, you know, a lot of people thought I was the nut. And now several generations later or decades later, I meet one or two of my friends from college and they say exactly what you've just said. Rick, I apologize. I thought you

were the nut. I was the nut. I didn't believe because I didn't want to believe, but everything you said was going to happen did in fact happen. So you're right, Alex. So yeah, this dude's a conservative talk show host in Rhode Island. I'm not sure how wide his indication was, but I don't know. He just seems like a kind of like a John Birch society dude. Sounds like it. I don't know. I don't find him all that interesting. However, what is interesting is that mentality that they're expressing. And it's kind of like a mantra for propagandists and conspiracy theorists. I've heard Alex say exactly this same sort of thing in the present day. I've heard him say it five years ago. He says this all the time. This like our credibility is through the roof because everything we've said

has come true. The reason this rhetoric is used is because it's not about credibility or track records or predictions. None of these concepts are even real in the game that's being played on these shows. The goal is to tap into the audience's feelings and provide them with psychological comfort. They all have memory of someone thinking that they were crazy for their conspiracy beliefs. And it makes people feel better to have their supposed expert hero give voice to those feelings, but importantly to put them in the past. You were right to believe me all along. We're on the other side of it now. Oh yeah. This supposed story about Rick's friends from college apologizing for doubting him. That didn't happen. That story is constructed to give the audience hope that if they

hold strong to their fringe ass nonsense, eventually they too will have everyone in their lives apologizing to them for being too afraid to accept the truth. You see this really consistently in these sorts of communities. Like it's rampant and QAnon conversations that that you see of like, you know, fantasizing about the day that everyone will admit that they were right. Yeah. It's it's weird and it can't possibly be like the like everyone thought we were wrong, but we're keep being right. And so our credibility is through the roof. It can't be right in 2003 and 2020. No, like it can't be right at both times. And then it also can't be right in all those intervening years when I've heard you say it right. Do people just constantly forget about

how credible you are? I mean, it seems like he's creating a like sign wave of credibility that just goes up and down depending on the year or the day or whatever. You know, like today our credibility is through the roof and then tomorrow our credibility is way, way down. You know, like what are you talking about? The same same with like the globalist are winning. Oh no, they're losing. Oh no, they're back to winning. Oh God. Oh, that's terrifying. Yeah. So Rick, I was wondering about him and, uh, you know, he's very much in line with Alex's beliefs, two of them are sympatico. And I was wondering, uh, hey, does this dude think he's fighting demons? What type of world from your studies, Rick, do the globalist want to build?

Well, I have to go back to a biblical perspective and I know this turns off some people, but I have to say it because I'm not a phony and I'm like yourself. I tell it like it is. We're dealing with, uh, as the scripture says, forces of evil in this world today. We're not wrestling as the apostle said under, uh, you know, delusion that we're fighting flesh and bones. We wrestle against powers and principalities of evil. Alex, now I want to say Alex does not respond to that comment at all. So again, he's platforming somebody who has like a sort of fundamentalist, uh, belief, Christian belief in the war that they're fighting that is presumably political in nature is actually against principalities of evil demons. Yeah. I furrow my brow at you, Dan. Why? Because I want

Alex to fucking weigh in and I'm sick of this teasing bullshit. Yeah, I know. I'm, I'm a little, right. I'm a little bit frustrated with it too. But again, it's another interesting thread that exists in this period of time that we now have the, uh, ability to learn more about and unravel. And I find that really compelling. It's so weird. It's so weird. When, why, why was it not acceptable then? I mean, I guess it must have been a strategy for him then. And maybe that strategy, that's a conclusion you could jump to and I'm entirely sure if it's correct, but it feels totally what's going on. It seems like it has to be. Yeah. Something is going on, but it frustrates me because that sounds like I'm making a conspiracy theory about something going on, but something has to be going

on. That's why we need to learn more and gather more information and evidence. Of course. The, the stuff that some of these other folks are saying isn't too far from what Alex says in the current day. Of course, Alex yells more and talks more grossly and graphically about stuff. Yeah. But it's not too far off in terms of the, we're fighting demons. No. But Alex stays away from it himself for the most part, right? Which that's why it seems like a strategic decision because he's still booking these people that he knows who Rick Adams is. He probably knows this element of his belief. Totally. He's comfortable with him expressing it. He's just not talking the way he would in the present day. He would pray on air in the present day.

No. And I mean, with this, you know, with those types of people, you've always got a time to Bible reference. So it's not like he's been talking to this dude outside off air for, you know, weeks and they just have never had the Bible come up. Like these people have, okay, if you are talking to me within a 30 minute stretch, you're going to hear about the Bible. There's a real good chance. There's a real good chance and it doesn't matter what we're talking about. Yeah. Sports, it's going to be the Bible. It doesn't matter. Yeah. You know, so we have a couple clips left from the 20th and they take some calls him and Rick and again, this is the other thing too that was really wild. Like Cudi is on for almost two hours as a guest. Rick is on for a

really long time and I thought like, like this is long for an Alex interview. Yeah. Yeah. It's because they're like just like right on the same page in terms of those new world order basics and the conspiracies. You can just have them co-host with you while you take phone calls and stuff. Again, it's another thing that feels more like, well, this is what this radio show is trying to be. Right. Right. Right. And oh, also did not get into whether or not demons are what we're fighting with Shackman. No, Shackman. I'm going to guess he doesn't think I don't know. That would be, uh, that would be a twist. That would be a nice little twist for us. So like in the matrix. Oh, in the third one and they negotiate with the robots. Still don't remember that. Yeah.

So Alex takes this call. This is awesome. I don't even know how to set it up other than that. Okay. This is awesome. Okay. Alex, what happened with your deal when you went down to do your license and they asked you to thumb scan and wasn't there some kind of an uproar? What ended, what became of all that? See the video in America Destroyed by Design. You ever seen that footage? No, I've seen Masters of Terror just last week. We picked that up. Really enjoy it. My mom wants to use it at her church in Wisconsin. Well, I suggest as a primer road to tyranny is the best we've got the production wise, but I would suggest you get that one. They're all great. Were you able to get around to the thumb scan? No. They have a waiver. Some people have gotten it. They will

not give it to you and will refuse it. I could sue them, but then I wouldn't have time to be on the radio six, seven hours a day. Right. Like tonight would be on Jeff Ranch. Okay. But I can fill in for somebody for two hours today here locally. I mean, I'm just working all the time. So fucking funny. This is one of Alex's biggest early publicity stunts. And you could argue that it's the closing segment. The like the big piece in his documentary America Destroyed by Design. Alex brings in a bunch of cameras when he goes to the Austin DMV to go get a new driver's license knowing that the process requires a fingerprint. He brings along eight forms of identification and insists he shouldn't have to provide a fingerprint to which the people at the DMV say

you do. Alex starts yelling about how Bill Clinton wants his blood in urine next and asking if the DMV workers are going to stick a needle in him. It's a petulant display and it's a real sign of the sort of publicity stunts that would come to characterize his career moving forward. It's so hilarious that at the end of this story, he just went back without the cameras and gave the fingerprint to get his driver's license. Yep. Because I know he has a driver's license. He got a DUI a few months back. Of course he does. And he didn't get a driving without a license charge. That is so infuriating. It's exactly like Alex. It's it's so it's it's Alex to a T. Well, I mean, I need a new I need a new ID. So I guess I'll go get it. I'll give you my thumb.

Right. I will go and I will take this stand and yell while there's cameras running and get attention and incite people into a frenzy about these post political beliefs and these like I am standing up for all the people, you know, and then, you know, I need to drive. I will die on this hell two days later. Listen, I'm real sorry about that. Yeah, that's my bad. And then when a caller calls in and asks, he's like, yeah, you can get around it. But like, I don't know. It's really hard. I got to be on the radio. I can't sue people. I have a job. I get what am I going to do? Hire a lawyer to do it for me while I work? No, I have to do all of my own losses. What am I supposed to do? The hard work of having a principal stand? Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to pretend

to have a principal stand. Do you have time to have principles because then do it? I don't care. What? What? You don't have a job? Fine. Go have principles outside. Yeah. Crazy. What a coward. So Alex gets a call from an H E B manager. And this, this has to do with more of his ideas about waivers and whatever you're sure. So this manager is bringing up that at her place of work, they are now talking about bringing in a scanner like a fingerprint scanner for the time clock. This is different than the idea of a checkout lane that's connected to your credit card and what have you. But Alex says that this is the beginning of bringing in whatever. Anyway, the manager wants to ask Alex about ways that she can fight back and not use this system.

And Alex's advice is so Alex that it's almost laughable. Here's my thing. I need to know what is my defense not to give them my fingerprints. Well, tell them it's religious reason. Tell them that you've been a good employee always clocked in not had a problem. Tell them that you're not going to be part of this. And if they give you problems, I think you're going to have a civil rights lawsuit on religious reasons. We need to do things like that. Okay. What about you? And is there any place you can recommend like on the web or a certain spot in the library that I should look to research this stuff and what my rights are that I can use as a defense to our info or what I can think about. It's a whole section of study, but it's a whole section of

study, but the religious exemption for religious reasons. You're against that. You should be able to do something there. Find out more. Tell me as it progresses. And I appreciate the call. I really do, Billy. I got a ton of calls and I wish you guys want to call me back tomorrow or tonight or next week so I can talk to you more. We just rub against the gun here. He's not up against the gun. He has plenty of, he takes more calls. But yeah, there's no advice. There's nothing, there's no specific reference that he can give her to help her better navigate this struggle that he wants her to engage in. And his advice is essentially make up a religious exemption. Use religion as a prop. There's no part of like, here is what is violated in this

religious belief. Here is the reason. Dietary restrictions make sense as a religious exemption in various settings. Whatever you want. That makes sense. And there are other things, sort of, you know, opposition to war, being conscientious objector. Absolutely makes total sense. Yep. This I don't know. I mean, I guess what he would do is say Mark of the Beast or something like that. Sure, sure. I guess Mark of the Beast. I guess that would be the direction that the it would go. But I don't know if I don't know if that really would stand up to scrutiny. And it's to me indicative of how Alex engages with a lot of religious beliefs. It's a prop. Yeah. It's use it to your advantage. Totally. Do the things that you don't want to do or do or,

you know, and not have to do the things or justify the things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And no, no, I will not tell you where to look into this. I mean, how could you possibly expect somebody to win a religious exemption lawsuit if there's a clip of you saying, make up a religious exemption for this? To be fair, I just want to be totally clear. That's my language that I use to make it up. He's not saying make it up, but that's how it is. He is saying make it up. You know, he's saying, find something in your religion that you 99% of the time either don't think about or don't actually believe. Right. Convince somebody that it's the most important thing to you now, suddenly, despite again, never having thought

about it in your entire life. Have these arguments very loudly on camera and then go back and be like, I'll clock in. Sorry about that. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. Man, it takes so much. It must be so exhausting to convince yourself that Alex isn't a giant useless piece of shit. Like you just heard that clip. Wouldn't you be like, Oh, well, then you're useless. Your entire life is meant to be fighting at the tip of the spear. Right. And you are giving me advice that is nothing. You are the person who has more knowledge and more resources than we do as individual info warriors out there in the field. Yep. And you had a perfect situation where you had a lot of people supporting you. They had your back. You could have been the one to do this lawsuit

totally in order to make sure that all of us could get our waivers and not have to give fingerprints to get a DMV get our licenses. Yeah. Oh, but then you couldn't be on the radio all the time. So I guess I guess it's going to have to be the h e b manager with very little money. No, no time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No support. No cult of personality around them. Yeah, their responsibility. Yeah, you know, it's a little bit, you know, I mean, it's not new, but it is just a gross denial of the self appointed role. Yeah. This is a grassroots movement where I exploit the grassroots. Okay, you can water the grass or you can suck all of the life out of it for every single scent that you can steal. Yep. Man, that was a good show.

Thanks. Anyway, we come to the end of this. And like, I really feel like there are threads that I'm fascinated by in 2003. I think a lot of stuff is coming up that I really, really want to know where these things go. And so I hope to, you know, obviously, I'm not going to lose track of the present day or ignore it entirely, but this is getting me getting my juices. I think what it is, to me, it's just so uncanny, you know, like, I recognize this guy. And yet every time I hear him talk, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? You know, like, it's so close to Alex, but it's just even weirder. Yeah, we're even taking for granted, like, almost how like nutty it is. The position on Putin is like night and day. Like,

it's that's outrageous. I can't believe how jaded we are that that completely is like almost passe to a certain, you know, like, oh, yeah, of course he believes this then and doesn't believe that now. Like that's just boring at this point, but that's not major foundational. There's a lot of major stuff that is is going to have to get totally. And then I want to know where like, where these people are. Where are the experts? Where are the G Edward Griffin? Where's that dude? Well, I know some of them are editor in chief of the Daily Beast now. Why isn't Alex like he's obviously he's talking about gold a little bit. Like, minus resources is selling gold at this point. He's not pushing gold as hard as he does in

like years after this. Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. It's confusing. I'm excited to learn more and we shall in the future. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge of our fight and I go to bed, Jordan. We are. Please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Darrell Rundis. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.