Knowledge Fight - #566: May 21, 2003

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan put out a sneaky snake mid-week episode to discuss Alex Jones' much-anticipated review of The Matrix Reloaded.

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We're a couple dudes. Like to sit around. We're supposed to put the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot today?

My bright spot today. This is actually a bright spot I'm excited to give or to discuss. All right. I was a fan of the tick growing up. Oh, hell yeah. The animated cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super good.

Huge fan. I loved it. Deflator mouse. Come on, man. Shareface Chippendale. Of course. It doesn't get better than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Great. Loved it. Fantastic. Everything about it was just fantastic. I loved it as a kid. I have always been a little bit hesitant to give other interpretations of the tick a chance. I tried watching the newer one. Which one?

The Patrick Warburton one? No. The Griffin Newman and Peter Serafinowitz one. Yeah. Peter Serafinowitz is great, isn't he? It's outstanding. It's so good. Yes.

It's so good. I have a few episodes in. This is exactly what I would have wanted from a live action version of the tick. Totally. Spectacular. Yeah. There's so many little subtle things. I would never have guessed that Serafinowitz would get the character that good.

You know what I'm saying? Griffin Newman's fantastic. No, no, no. He's great. I think at least the first episodes are really hinging around him and this sort of backstory of him as a superhero. Totally. That's exactly the way to tell the story.

It's really good. I am so pumped. I'm bummed that I think it's canceled. Right? I'm pretty sure it's canceled. Yeah. It sucks that there's a limited amount of them, but I'm excited to have something to watch that I really enjoy.

Yeah. That was one of my favorite. Like, I'll never forget deflator mouse just because I saw the cartoon when I was like eight or something. So young. It was it was like 20 years later that I was like, oh, that's a reference to a fucking opera. Shit.

Yeah. You know, like how would what kind of eight year old is going to be like, what a great pun? Yeah. Yeah. What was the mad bomber who bombs at midnight upon do you like the mad bomber who bombs at midnight? He's a good one.

So what's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan, is walking. Not Christopher. Oh, no. The weather's nice out and we only live a couple of miles away from each other. So I've started walking to do the show. It's about a 40 minute walk, which is the perfect length of time to start going back through old albums and actually listen to the full thing.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been going through the Ninja tunes label here recently. And I just got to lemon jellies 64 through 95. And the final track on that is called go. And it is so good because they use William Shatner's sample there. And so it's just like they finally do something good with William Shatner. It's been so long, but they finally did something good with William Shatner around 20 years

ago. What about those talk albums that he did? That's what they're doing. They're taking samples from the talk albums. But I think that even just those raw, oh, you think so? Really? No, I don't know. I actually haven't listened to them.

I know a lot of people make jokes about it. But yeah, I mean, it's easy to make. Yeah, yeah. What are you going to say about it? Like, it's good. I guess that's as good a joke as I have. Hey, look, we're going to put this on on a date. We're going to lower the lights a little bit and just listen to Shatner.

Exactly. Yes. What are you doing? Yeah. So, Jordan. Yes, sir. I'm glad you're enjoying these albums. Today we have an album to discuss and that is an episode of Alex's show.

I look at those as albums. Okay. He's prolific. Very. Yes. We're going over May 21st, 2003. Butchak. God damn it.

I beg your pardon. Shit. We're going back to the past. And part of this is because we had a little bit of a sort of a cliffhanger on the last episode. Alex was complaining a whole bunch about the Matrix. Yep. And he was saying he was going to go see it.

Of course. And he did not. And he didn't. So we have to satisfy this. We have to give some sort of closure to this. Yeah, of course. It has seen the Matrix by this point. And we're going to get one of those rare, solid movie reviews.

We're going to get a gem of a movie review. Okay. I'm excited. Yeah. As am I. I'm thrilled to walk you through this. But before we do, we got to take a moment to say hello to some new wonks out there. That's a great idea.

So first, Steven T. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thanks, Steven. Thank you. Next, Lego from St. Paul. Thank you so much.

You're now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thanks, Lego. Ren W. R. E. N. Ren N. Thank you so much. You are now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Oh, thank you very much, Ren.

Yeah. And we got a couple of technocrats. Uh-huh. First, Celine is coming for those middle-aged mice. Going to have to. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. And Perry from Norway.

Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a Policy Wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401K doing, bro? All right.

We got to go full tilt bugging on this Watson, all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank y'all. And unfortunately, rest in peace, middle-aged mice.

Yes. Apologies. Apologies. Apologies. Anybody who's been grandfathered out, so to speak, is going to be fine. Uh-huh. If you will. Yes.

Giving someone life is giving someone death. You can say that life is death. I would like to give a happy birthday shout out to Matt, Ben got in touch with us, and on the 17th coming up this middle of this week, Thursday, it would be Thursday. I can't keep track of days. Also, from what I understand, you're going to love this. Okay. It's Matt Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy birthday.

Oh, he's what? 32? Who's that? The answer to the universe and everything? Uh, no, it's 42. Right. Yeah. Isn't it?

Yeah. The 32 first. It would just be fun. Okay. If, you know, I couldn't tell if you were fucking with me. No, the question that the universe is trying to answer is what is six times seven. But if anybody got the question and the answer right at the same time, the universe would be destroyed and be replaced by something even weirder.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Matt, Alex has some kind wishes for you being born is a condition that leads to death. You can say that life is a disease that ends in death. So Jordan, today we're going to be talking about Alex on the on May 21st. And this is a rare instance where I decided like, I have not watched these movies in forever. It's been a long time.

And so I decided I might need to refresh my memory and I actually watched the matrix reloaded as a, as a sort of refresher course because I was like, what is he talking about? Even when it comes to movie reviews, Dan's going to look into it and research things and take down your opinion. Well, I was curious. I was curious because I remember enjoying the movie and sure. And look, I have a lot of things. I'm going to read some of my, my notes, just sort of raw.

Yeah. Go over some of my thoughts. Are you doing a live tweeting of? I basically did on a notebook page. I'm going to go over a little bit, but this place say that not bad, not a bad, not a bad film. I enjoyed it. I would appreciate more movie reviews that were just very simple.

Yeah. I'm sick of these long like explanations of the plot and the history of the movie and the shots angle and what that means for interpretation. Now is all right. It really picked up after the highway scene. Yeah. That's true. I'll say that a little bit of at the beginning was a slog to get through, but whatever.

Now everybody wants to watch the dancing scene for at least another six minutes. It had some pacing issues, but I don't begrudge that too much. It wasn't, it wasn't insurmountable in terms of enjoying the movie. No, no, no, no. Like I said, I have some thoughts. So does Alex last night. I went and saw the matrix. I'm going to give about a five minute review of that.

I think a transcript of my review should be made. I want to give a warning about this film. If there was any questions about being from Illuminati origin, those are now answered. Is it? Yes. Okay. It is a deeply Illuminati shit. Just for the listeners, I need you to know that when Alex said, I'm going to give you

about a five minute review, Dan just went shook his head. No, it is not going to be a five minute review, nor should it be transcribed. All of that was wrong. Yeah. So apparently Alex had seen the first matrix movie and he was like, it's Illuminati shit. I don't know. He's on the second one. He's like, yes, definitely Illuminati shit.

I do like that the concerns have been put to bed, put them to bed, put the concerns to bed. Yeah. Because the answer is yes, which is somehow less concerning. Well, I mean, it's, it's no longer an open question. Now you know that this is just evil. I mean, I suppose certainty is a comfort in some ways. Right.

Yeah. So I guess at this point, I would say that if you're convinced that this movie has Illuminati origins, maybe you shouldn't do that whole red pill thing. Like maybe you shouldn't take that metaphor because the Illuminati made that metaphor. So, so what you're saying is perhaps these stupid thoughts are bullshit that they're feeling in the moment. And then later on, they'll be like, that's actually a great movie and let's use the metaphor. Yes.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Get the sense of that. Yeah, that sounds about right. So there's a lot of people who shouldn't see this movie, humans. Yes. But if you're going to see it, whatever, just don't show it to kids. I would not let my children watch the film. And if you want to see it yourself to see the face of the New World Order, go ahead.

But it very, very dark and very evil is all I can really say about Matrix Reloaded. But I'm going to go over some of it here on the show. He does. He does go over a little bit of it. I will say that from, I listened to Alex's review first, got confused and then I watched the movie. I'm like, boy, there's a lot he doesn't cover. You would not have a very good sense of the movie.

It's a big movie. It's a big movie. Yeah. There might be too much in it, but you know, he starts off his conversation about the Matrix by talking about the first movie and I don't know if I agree with his premise. The first Matrix was obviously New Age in its overall presentation that you've got to believe in yourself and then you can change the parameters. That is not a reality from within.

I take issue with that. I mean, like maybe there is some new ageing is to it, certainly, sure, sure, but I don't think that it's about like believe in yourself and you can change the parameters of reality. I am fairly certain that most everybody in that movie who also believed in themselves right next to Neo was immediately murdered within the first 45 minutes. Yeah. Neo didn't have the ability to change things because he believed in himself. He had the ability to change things because he was created and born inside the Matrix.

Yeah. I understand maybe that you're trying to say that we're all the chosen one, but that's not what the movie is trying to say. Yes. Yes. If you're going to bring that to the film, that's on you. Yeah. I mean, and for fuck's sakes, in one movie later after this one, Neo is literally in a Christ

like position to show you that he's making the sacrifice. Spoilers. I'm sorry. Apologies. Apologies. I'm going to have to get to that a couple of years from now, once Alex gives a movie review. Now you got to go hunting for when revolutions was released.

Oh, God, I can't wait. Yeah. I think his interpretation of the first movie is a little bit flawed based on everything about the first movie. Yes. And the watching of it. But he, you know, he watched this, this, the first film and like I said, he was confused. He's like, is this Illuminati?

How do you get confused? Well, because you don't know if it's Illuminati or not. Maybe the Wachowskis are putting out something that is heroic, sure, anti Illuminati or maybe it's Illuminati. And so I was ambiguous. I'm certainly a question and didn't follow the new age Hindu or Buddhist line. But I was still overall. Not sure if the film was a production of the globalist.

What? Well, now I am sure that the matrix one and the matrix two matrix reloaded are in the most pure sense, Illuminati productions. So I was pretty excited to hear about like why. Yeah, in the most pure sense. What sealed the deal? What was it about this film that was like, yeah, not dead to rights. This is this is globalist.

I need to know. I mean, did you just watch the credits and the executive producers were the Illuminati Soros? Yeah, exactly. Like, is that what we're dealing with? I was not prepared for how this review would get going. Okay. I was like, okay, he's going to misinterpret something.

Sure. You know, I couldn't have possibly imagined that this was the start of it. Okay. Like down for this. Okay. It's outrageous. It begins, obviously, with a group of trailers and there is a widescreen shot that has been squeezed down and distorted as an authority figure type man in black sits behind a table

with flickering subliminals being splashed on the screen talking about power aid. Alex is mad about a power aid commercial. I am no. You know what? I was, I was, I was out when he said, before we even get to the movie, we got to deal with the trailers. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

I don't even. Why would the Illuminati count trailer? This isn't even a trailer. This is a commercial. I thought he was misinterpreting a fucking commercial for men in black two or something like ripped torn is sitting behind a desk. It's not. It's not.

We'll get into it, but he's really mad about. Okay. Okay. It's a power. It talks down to you and says, you're not even going to understand what I'm saying to you. You pathetic, mindless, hive mind of units, you are units that power the matrix drink your power aid do as you are ordered to do.

So that's how the film begins. It's not. It's a commercial. It's not how the film begins. It's really not how the film begins. If you watch it like now, if you were to stream it, it doesn't start with the power aid commercial. Isn't there?

No. So this wasn't an authority figure in the commercial. It was one of the agents from the movie. There weren't subliminal flickering lights. The commercial was just set in the interrogate interrogation room where they took Neo in the first movie. Sure. Some of the stuff that Alex is saying is from the commercial, but some is also his own embellishment.

But it's obviously just a way to like sell power aid using a character from the movie. I spent a lot of time thinking about it. And honestly, this is the only way you could do a commercial like this with a tie in to the matrix. Like if you use any of the main characters, it's going to really seem goofy as you know, the agent would be great. They're perfect for this because they don't have a personality except for agent Smith. So they're essentially just blank slates.

One of them selling power aid doesn't negatively affect your impression of the agents because it can't. They aren't individuals. So it's fine. That said, I went and watched this commercial and there is a cannon problem with the commercial. I'm going to play a little clip here from that commercial and then we'll discuss the issue. I love this show.

Consider this. The active human body can generate up to 12,000 BTUs of body heat. Pure, precious, life-giving energy. It is unfortunate your collective puny little minds couldn't figure out a way to harness this energy. Put it to good use somehow. But that's beside the point. The point is to keep generating all that energy.

Your body needs to be replenished. So drink your power aid. We have quotas to meet. So that's obviously supposed to be like deadpan comedy. The problem is that this agent is trying to sell power aid to people who are inside the matrix. Activities inside the matrix shouldn't affect the amount of energy that gets produced by the person's physical body outside of the matrix.

People's actual bodies are in pods. They have no need for power aid. There's tubes and stuff going into them. I do believe that they are suspended in goo of some sort. You wouldn't even be able to get that power aid to their mouths. Is the power aid that they're suspended in? That could be true. If so, this commercial is underselling.

If you don't have power aid, you will die. Given what we know about the machines in the movies, if physical activity in the matrix translated to greater energy production in the real world, then everyone in the matrix would be suspiciously into exercise and fitness. You have like seven billion batteries and you could boost their productivity by 30 percent if their avatar in the matrix works out. That's an amount of energy production that would not be ignored by machines. No, no, no.

Generally, they are well known for efficiency. They keep humans in pods. Anything is on the table. I do like the idea that there's somebody somewhere like, man, nobody is using these gym memberships. Nobody. This is unreal. This is unreal.

Anyway, bottom line here is that this commercial is just kind of dumb. It's kind of just a fun power aid commercial that played before the movie. It's not part of the film and it's not meant to shame people for being dumb. Like there's an AI version of ERCOT. It's like, sorry, guys, nobody's working out so you can't turn your AC on this this week. Like, come on, man. Yeah, I like I like though that Alex is sitting there in the theater watching this power aid commercial and he's like, I am personally insulted by this character talking down to

me. All you need. I have been shamed by this power aid commercial. Wow. You just can't find a single moment not to be mad about. Yeah. You can get mad about a power aid commercial. What why even bother with the movie?

You're already done. Yeah. What's it like? What's it like? What's it like? How do you take in any media if you're shamed by a power? So the actual movie starts and here's where Alex is at then it launches into the world of the matrix.

That is the real physical world of the underground base of Zion, yes, Zion. Get it. And you have the marauding forces that that surface to the wrecked cities above and trans met the minds or the soul in a type of digital astral projection. Okay. And to the machine world or the matrix and you're told that both of these are reality because perception is reality. If there's one thing that I took away from the message of the matrix movies, but even

before I went and rewatched it, it's kind of the opposite of perception is reality. Yeah, basically what you perceive is not real. Yes. That's the point. If I like the point of the movie is that some things that feel like reality might not be, but there is a definite reality which is worth fighting for. If perception was truly reality, then it wouldn't matter if Neo ever perceived the matrix to be the actual world or an illusion.

If he accepted the matrix as reality, then it would actually be that the movies do actually deal with this quite eloquently. Perception can shape reality to an extent like if you're in the matrix and you want that to be a reality, it's possible to live your entire life in that state and not run into any problems. Joey Pants, his character in the first movie, he wants to be reinserted into the matrix and not be aware of the fight against the robots because it's more comfortable to him. And it's implied that that's something that can be done.

His subjective experience of perception can create his subjective reality. But that isn't real. The movie is very clear that there's an entirely different actual reality that exists regardless of your subjective beliefs about reality. Nothing you do in the matrix affects that fact as what is reality. Robots have turned humans into batteries and shit. The first movie, the first thing he does is show you the desert of the real, the real. Not the desert of the we perceive this to be dark.

It's really interesting to me that this is this is where Alex is at because he's getting caught up in a pretty elementary philosophical question about perception and reality that the Wachowski's movie actually goes one step beyond in terms of like even just the starting point is past this. I think that's what we're really dealing with here. It's like when you're when you're watching, he sounds like he's explaining the movie to my grandma, you know, of just like things that aren't really part of the movie. But she's going to like it a lot more than if you tell her like there's a car chase.

You know, like that's that's not what's going to work for her. So Trinity jumps on a motorcycle. Okay, wearing black spandex. It looks great. So Zion, he takes issue with he takes issue with like weird things specifically about like naming conventions. Yeah. I got it back and I watched it.

I was like, it's interesting that he doesn't take issue with everything. Yeah. Everything has a fucking name that means something. It's kind of a reference to everything. Yeah. And so Zion stuck out in his head and then here's another one. And the whole film is basically Illuminati characters, dark Masonic overtones with a dark occult leader.

And he says that we are the occult, we're the vampires, we're the werewolves, we're the demons. Nope. Absolutely not. Telling them that, and of course he's called the Merovingian or the Merovenian bloodline, which is what the Satanists based in France believe that they are descendants of Jesus and he's brothers with Satan. This is deep occult Illuminati stuff.

So Alex takes issue with the Merovingian. He's not a good guy. Nope. Okay. We are, we all recognize that he's bad. Yeah. That's why he's got that name. Yeah.

And he's not even like high end villain. He's an antagonist. He's a middle manager. Yeah. Yeah. He is the mini boss of this side quest. Totally. Totally.

They have to go get the key maker. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's, you know, Zion and Merovingian, you can take some issue with those, but what about like Nebuchadnezzar is the name of their ship?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about Trinity? Nah, don't worry about it. No, don't worry about it. No. Absolutely.

No reference there, Dan. It's interesting the selective sort of outrage or selective like pointing this out as something that means something without, without incorporating all of the things right into it. Like it just, it's pick and choose. Yeah. I mean, if you name something Zion in a piece of popular culture, someone's going to be pissed. And it's usually going to be hard right?

Christians. It's going to be Alex in 2003. Exactly. Yes. But if you're mad about that, you can't, you can't let that get in the way of being mad about all the other religious references in the movie. You know, that's the problem here. He needs to be a more holistic hater.

Yeah. So the movie, it's evil. That's, I mean, really the bottom line. And again, I'm going to show you about small tidbits of this. I've got to go back and take notes, which I will do. This is a, I've never seen a more powerful overtly soul twisting mind control film. There is lesbian and homosexual scenes in the film. Oh my God.

Oh my God. The fucking Illuminati are back at it, Dan. Why is that the first thing that he brings up after saying that it's mind twisting and evil? Because I, uh, urges, very weird to me. It's very strange. Even for Alex. That's weird.

Yeah. There's homosexual and lesbian scenes. Yeah. Yeah. 2003 was, uh, was different though. Like, uh, you know, that was before. Gay people were even allowed to marry. It's true.

So, uh, I, I think there was a lot more open and vicious, uh, uh, well, I mean, now there's so much open and vicious hatred, man, the world sucks bummer. Yep. Um, so look, this is all just trying to make implants fashionable, right? Body mods. Yeah. Yeah. Jacks in the back of your head.

Yeah. And living in the future now that's been born out. Oh yeah. Yeah. Jacks in the back of our head. Yeah. Uh, there also is everyone has chip implants and chip plugins and this is a good thing. We have a little speech in there where the machines aren't bad.

We can fight them with all of, all of this. So it's making it a new fashion statement, probably one of the strongest cultural movements we've seen in history and modern history is the matrix for the video games and the cartoons now and the, a bunch of spinoff, uh, cartoons, uh, for the big screen and DVD. There was, they, again, are conditioning the children that it's normal to have plugins into your mind, wire heads as they were called decades ago. It is fashionable to have implant points all over your body. Like, okay.

So the matrix was popular, right? Yeah. The matrix is trying to make this argument that like they're trying to condition you to get jacks on the back of your head to plug into computers or something. Sure. But like if your argument is just that it's popular and there's like spin off properties like what about the Ninja Turtles? Oh yeah.

Like they were huge. Yeah. Yeah. What about that? Were they trying? What were the, what were the globalists trying to mainline? Uh, then were they trying to turn us all into people who go into goo? Well, I know, I know that I had, and this I remember specifically.

I had a Raphael action figure and what you would do is you would push Raphael's head down and it would attach to a spring and then you'd click it and the head would pop out like he was headbutting you. Right. And from that I learned that the Illuminati want me to headbut the shit out of people. Wait, wait a second. Yeah, I know. Raphael was a Ninja Turtle.

True. What weapon does Neo grab when he's fighting the Mira Vingians goons in that staircase? Was it, was it size? He does. Yes. No shit. Oh, wow. Neo is Raphael.

This has blown the whole thing wide open for me. Oh, man. Perception is reality. Wait, wait, wait. Ninja Turtles were preparing us for the Matrix, which is preparing us to take Jax in the back of our head. Right. I mean, wasn't it a point of pride in the movie, though?

How many people were born naturally who didn't have the Jax and were like happy about it? I'm pretty sure that that was a. I believe so. Yeah. So the scene that Alex is talking about, like with the machines are good or whatever, it's just that scene where the dude takes Neo down to the engineering level in Zion and he's like, well, you know, machines suck, but also.

We got to use them. Yeah. We wouldn't be able to breathe down here. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like a win some lose some situation. Yeah. It was a little heavy handed in terms of the dialogue, but you know, whatever, I guess

if Alex wants to take that as Oh, that's right. Whenever the old guy pulls him aside and they're standing on the ledge with all the apartments behind him and no one can see them or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's in the middle of the night. Yeah. Exactly.

Yes. The thing I loved about that scene is like this fucking apartment complex, if you want to call it that is gigantic huge. That dude, the counselor or whatever had to have been waiting forever on the off chance that Neo would walk out of his little apartment so he could walk up and be like, do you need some coffee? Hey, you want to hang out? I would have loved for the like I see you to the movie just be here like, dude, he doesn't

even have like a cell phone to like play a game on so he's just sitting there twiddling his thumbs. He's got he's got the Neo futuristic version of Angry Birds and he's just throwing plushies off the off the edge. Shit. I hope Neo has a bad dream and wakes up comes out here dude dude. Yeah. Just gonna wait.

Got to make this look like I'm randomly passing by. He's hiding around the corner. Yeah. Oh, when he opens the door. Yeah. So, you know, the big set piece at the end of the movie is Neo meets with the architect sure who created all of the previous matrixes right right and explains to Neo that he is a like a aberration.

Yeah. Matrix. Yeah. And then everything will reboot reset all over again. It was built into the code, etc, etc. Yeah. So, Alex talks about that a little bit and the architect is old man, Sigmund Freud Obi Wan Kenobi archetype.

No, to both sits there and tells Neo that they have allowed people to leave the matrix that they discovered that suppressing an exodus from the matrix actually causes a shutdown and a degradation of the 99% that remain inside their exoleutal tanks. That's correct. As human batteries for the power grid. Surprise he understood. And again, you find out that basically the computers are disembodied spirits are angels are devils and have all the same carnal desires as humans.

But with an added viciousness like Greek God. So it is an Illuminati film through and they tell you we are the approved in the God. I what that clip was fascinating to me because he's kind of getting it, but he also doesn't seem to understand that it's a piece of fiction. No. And then second, he doesn't get that the characters in the matrix that like Neo runs into are supposed to be programmed. Yeah.

He doesn't get like the idea that these are their programs at a computer. No, no, no, they explicitly say things that are like, Oh, that's what you are. Yeah. The guy who fights Neo before he goes to talk to the Oracle is like he's basically like a password screen. Yeah, yeah, to authenticate totally whatever they go through all those doors. Like it's the back door in a program. Like they talk about this pretty explicitly almost constantly.

Yes. To the point where you're like, wait, and when is he going to fight Microsoft Word? Yeah, they aren't Greek gods or anything. Yeah, he's going to clip. Yeah, exactly. What is this going to show up? Agent Smith absorbs Clippy. You're trying to destroy the make matrix.

Would you like some help with that? Oh, God. Yeah, I don't understand. I don't understand how you can like get half of it, I guess, and not the bigger picture. Yeah, the Oracle herself itself is a program and not a person or an actual Oracle at Delphi. Yes, yeah. So I have now my notes from the matrix reloaded. They're getting intense.

You remember the movie. I appreciate that your handwriting is much larger than mine. That was just sort of like so I could scribble, you know, so I could watch it and also like haphazardly take notes. Gotcha. So here, I'm just going to read the notes as they appear on the page. Michael from lost exclamation point true. I forgot that michael from lost was that he's one of the main characters.

He is one of the main characters. Yes. He's like one of the four people of an abacept. And he's great. Yeah, he is really great. He's fantastic. He's really good in the role too. Yep.

I don't want him to get hurt. Yeah. Oh, this is just a little note. One of the fun things about the matrix is how important non-neo characters are. That's true. You know, it is like he's the chosen one and all this, but none of it would be possible like what he's doing. If it weren't for other things that like Morpheus is doing or Naiobi is doing like everyone

else has like parts that they need to play in order for him to be able to live up to his oneness. Totally. Or whatever. I think that's great. It is absolutely no coincidence either that all of those characters are from a diverse set of backgrounds with a bunch of different possibilities within that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. My next note. Roy Jones Jr. I forgot that Roy Jones Jr. is in this. I also forgot that Roy Jones Jr. was in that movie. Almost forgot. Oh, man.

Yeah. One of the one of the great albums, one of the great rap albums, round one, the album, Roy Jones Jr. Weird. Weird. Knocked out. Who want to fight Roy Jones? Who want to be next?

Not that I think about it. That is weird. Oh, yes. Oh, boy. Yeah. Weird. Yep. Okay.

There's that scene where there's two. This is just a stupid note. So there's a scene where there's like Agent Smith turns another person into an Agent Smith. Sure. They just stare at each other. Yeah. They do the staring thing. I just wrote to Agent Smith should kiss.

Totally. They had to have at some point, right? It felt like they were going to. They had to have. All right. What would you do if you met you, Dan? I probably would. I think you'd fall in love.

I don't think so. I'd probably try and beat myself up. So I thought that it was a little bit tacky, that the beef between Morpheus and the Commander was about Naiobi, was about a woman, like I thought that was a little bit easy. Yeah, especially when we're dealing with, on the other hand, there's part of me that thinks it's a good character choice, because despite the fact that we're dealing with such an end of the world level threat, of course, people are still going to have those dumb little personal beefs.

You know what I'm saying? I get that. It's a little bit convenient and a little simple. Exactly. I fucking love Harry Lennox, dude who plays the commander. He is great. He is really, really good. He is.

Oh, man. What a fucking hard ass for no reason half the time. But also, this is my next note. He's not wrong to doubt Morpheus. No, no, no. Agreed. Morpheus is out of pocket. He's doing all kinds of shit.

He's ignoring the chain of command. Yes. Fully understand. Yeah. The other, the other thing too that I was thinking about is like, you know, you, you forget, I guess, if you haven't seen these movies in a while, you kind of forget that everybody hates Neo and Morpheus, basically. They're not the heroes to the powers that be in the, the human world of Zion, like they

are not like they are out, like you said, they're out of pocket. Yeah. Totally. And you forget that. It's they're, they're, they're basically populist leaders. Yeah. Alex should love this. Yeah.

To a certain, to a certain interpretation too, you can view that as like, it is a positive thing that these people will just completely ignore orders and completely ignore the, the current power structure in order to fight what they believe is, is true and correct. But also what if they were wrong? They've just killed all of humanity. So there's that. Yeah. You know, next note, I love a cave, but Zion sucks.

I do love a cave. I just didn't care for the aesthetic of, of Zion. I will tell you about the cave. We, when I, I watched that movie with my best friend and his dad, because I can't remember how old we were at the time, but it wasn't like cool for us to go because my parents heard that there was a tit in the dancing in the cave. Oh no. Oh no.

Oh, there was a tit, my friend. Really? Oh no joke. Could you have spotted it unless somebody told you way in advance that you could see a tit? I certainly did. There's a lot of people in there. There's tons of people, but that was enough for my family to be like, Hey, there might be a tit.

And not being able to see that leads me to my next note and that is this cave is way too big. That was a giant cave where everyone's having their, their, their moment at the tribal beats and the rave. It's too big. The acoustics were great in that cave. It's too big. It's ridiculously big.

Next note, uh, fish burn. Not good. I don't think he was carrying his weight. I think the first movie he did so much that in this one, he was allowed to just kind of be in the background. Yeah. You know, I was just not, uh, I was not that into him. So next note is Neo a virgin.

Look, when he and Trinity are hooking up, sure, sure, is that his first time? I mean, in the real world, it has to be, doesn't it? I would think so. Yeah. That's interesting. What? Not very, but a little bit interesting. What, what kind of, what kind of dick prowess could you have if you've only done it in

the imaginary world? I don't know. I mean, maybe. Hey, if you come in, in the matrix, you come in real life. Is that true? I think so. If you die in the matrix, then yeah. So everybody's goo is gross.

Next note. Keanu is not enough of a blank slate. Like when he was sitting there talking to the, the Oracle, I was like, he's supposed to be like a blank slate. That's kind of, you know, you have, he's, he has too much agency for the role that he's in. I think. Okay.

All right. I might be wrong, but yeah, I think we could, I would need to watch the movie again and then we could really get into it. I got a little bit bored, uh, there's cause it drags a little bit. Yeah. And I, I would, this note is this movie is just a video game. Everything is a fetch quest. Yeah.

That's a good point. Just constantly over and over again. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you have to go get the key maker. Oh, the key maker takes you to a door. Like, you know, over and over again, like you have to go to a, oh, and then once you get there, oh no, you got to go to B. Oh no, you got to go to C. It's, it's a little bit clunky.

But like I said, like once they get to the, the like highway chase scene, things pick up business, business picks up and you forget a little bit of like, they're just going around doing a quest. Right. All right. You get law, you get absorbed in it a little bit more. But at the beginning it's, it was a drag. Oh, later on it's borderline, a heist film in that way of like a problem arises.

We have to go somewhere and get the, you know, like, uh, like oceans 11. We got to go get the EMP from some other place cause ours broke or whatever it is, you know, like that kind of thing. Next note. Hugo weaving is a monster. He's killing it. He, he's good. He is good.

He's good at acting. He's good at agent Smith. I don't know about my, my boys Elrond. I have a different interpretation of the Elrond, but that's fine. That's fine. I'm talking about just in this film. He is crushing. I get it.

So I didn't really have as much of a memory of who the bad guy is. Like obviously in the first movie, the bad guy is the matrix. It's the machine. Sure. And I kind of thought that was true in the second movie too. And then agent Smith becomes the villain in the third one. I didn't realize that it was really clear early in the second movie that it's agent Smith.

Oh yeah. Yeah. They are no longer really like they're an impediment maybe they're a hassle, but the bad guy is clearly agent Smith. Yeah. It's a virus. Yeah. Yeah.

Also, this is, this is just a little bit of a nitpick thing. Neo stops bullets. Yes. You know, yeah. Why is he ever punched? Sometimes you get punched. He has telekinesis. I don't understand why nobody threw a bottle of power rate at him that he can also stop

with his matrix powers. Yeah. That seems to make the most sense to me. And then while he's stopping the power rate, he could scold Alex and this will give you power. I thought the CGA fight scenes looked amazing for being made in 2003. Totally. They hold up.

Yeah. I'd sometimes like a little bit of it's a little bit cartoony. You can tell it's digital, but like considering that this is 18 years old or yeah, it's amazing. There was a point in the agent Smith fight where you so clearly see it go from people trying to actually do a choreography to like complete CGI stuff where you're like, okay, well this might be a little bit on the uncanny valley, but it's not like it wasn't so much that that it took me out of the experience of watching the fight scene or not like you get like, oh yeah, that's that's digital or whatever, but it's not distracting and it's

a cool fight scene. Yeah. Next note. Everyone is right. All of the humans are right. Morality is complicated. Everyone disagrees and everyone is right. I thought that was a little bit weird.

I do. I like that. I like that a lot. I like that everybody's right, but everybody is also disagreeing about. Yeah. Yeah. It's complicated. This kind of, you know, like maybe you have the same goal and the way that you think we're

going to get to that goal is correct, right? But it might be sort of contradictory. Next note, two exclamation points on this one. No, you haven't used two exclamation points for three years correction. Three exclamation. Oh shit. This is unprecedented. Cornel West.

I forgot. Wait. Cornel West. Is it there? I forgot that he plays one of the members of the tribunal. He does not. Cornel West. Yes.

Get the fuck out of here. I was like, that can't be Cornel West. It is. It's Cornel. I will be that. I feel like I should have remembered. Yes. Although probably the first time I saw it, I had no idea who Cornel West was.

Why would I know? Why would I be a 12 year old that's like a huge Cornel West guy? Yeah. It's possible that you just had no idea, but it's outrageous. He's one of the people who's on the board or whatever. Yeah. Whenever they're talking about sending two more captains to help out with a Nebuchadnezzar. The old guy, the old, the old guy who talks to, and then there's the old lady and then

it's Cornel West. There's a couple other people, but yeah, those are the three that have speaking roles. Nanas. Yeah. So this is from the Mirovingian scene. Okay. I forgot that that woman orgasmed from eating the cake that he sent her. That's true.

That was tacky. That was really weird because, because the only thing that you can think of while that's going on is somebody right next to her going, I'll have what she's having like that's literally what's happening. Yeah. And the way that the matrix code goes in between her legs and then there's an explosion as like this, I would have, I would have taken another pass at this. This is, this is totally not in line with the rest of this movie.

Also does the code in your genitals give you an orgasm? It's an explosion. Right. Okay. All right. So the Mirovingian's wife, Monica Baluchi, I just thought this was really funny. This computer program really wants to get kissed. I don't know why it does seem like that.

I, I, I was watching them go in and out of doors and it made me think of the adjustment bureau. Okay. I have nothing else to add to that. I just thought of the adjustment bureau. All right. They wear the hats. They do wear the hats.

I recall. I, I liked the twins. I liked the twins, the dreadlocked albino twins. This is aggressive. I don't know why you're pointing at me because I remember not liking them the first time I saw the movie. Oh, okay. Okay.

I remember thinking it was a little bit dumb or whatever, but like their powers are really well defined and well done in the movie. They can choose when to have physical form essentially. So they can be in danger from a knife or a gun or whatever. Like the way that they go in and out of cars, it just, it's very fun. It's a wow. Yeah. Yeah.

And that the only thing I didn't like is that like they apparently die in an explosion. They could have just gone on corporeal at any time. Yeah. Also, Neo should just have told Trinity that he saw her death in the matrix would have really cut down on time. It certainly would have been more, I don't know, because they have a, they have what's presented as a good relationship. Yes.

They seem to really care about each other. Correct. And it does not make sense that he wouldn't trust her with that kind of information. They're in a post like apocalyptic hellscape world. Let's be on the level with each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Honesty is the best policy whenever everything is collapsed. Three exclamation points again. Okay. Stakes. So the movie has clear stakes. Oh, okay. Okay. Everything is very clearly like immediately flashback to the Joey pants situation.

Oh no. That was the first movie. Wait, are there more steak eating scenes? No, I think that the stakes were a lot clearer than I expected them to be. Yes. Yeah. It made a lot of sense. And then the last thing that I at last note was from the architect scene, you know, so

he says that you can go to the source and then you choose people to repopulate Zion like we've done the last five times. Sure. Who was the last one who did that and created this Zion? Right. Who was that? Was that? I don't know.

I know. Oh, okay. You're telling me, I mean, was it the exact same Neo? Was it? It can't be the same Neo because later on we find out he made a different choice. Or is it the same Neo who's learned from his previous choices? I don't know, but it's a turncoat. Whoever the last one was is not a good character.

Yeah. I mean, that's that is that kind of like really dangerous choice of theoretically he could just wind up wiping out the human race entirely. If that Neo and I don't know why we're using a gender pronoun for this could be anybody. But you know, he's the person is faced with the choice of like, is everybody going to die or am I going to reboot this perhaps infinitely? But if I reboot it, at least we got another go, right? So there's that there's that moral quandary there.

I hated the architect because. To Freudian. No. To Obi-Wan Kenobi. No, I mean, you can't replace big words for actually making sense, you know. So there's a lot of that where I'm like, you're just using that word because you know people aren't going to look up the definition later. I feel like it made enough sense.

Yeah. To like, it's it's serviceable. No, contextually you get it. But from a fine granular kind of if I'm combing through the script, I'm crossing out $5 words left and right. Yeah. Yeah. That might be a good note.

But also I did enjoy how like, you know, the obviously the movie is building towards like a climax of like something you think is going to maybe be like action oriented. Yeah. Yeah. And then Nio walks through the door and it's just an old dude sitting there. That is fun. Yeah. It is fun.

There's some, there's some subversion of tropes there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, my review overall not bad. Okay. All right. You know, I don't like movies that much, but I enjoyed at least half of it.

Like I think it was really slow starting. Yeah. Like when they're in Zion and all that, it's, it was tough to get through. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to turn this off like 15 minutes in. I was like, I can't sit here and watch this. Yeah. But I pushed through and I enjoyed once it got cooking.

Yeah. I recall there being a lot of vitriol towards reloaded and and then even more towards revolution. Yeah. But I think that also might be because we were coming off the back of the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones at the same time. So everybody's just furious at every movie. And I think that the first matrix is almost an impossible challenge to follow up. Totally.

Like I think that that was, that was something that caught on so huge and blue minds. Like I don't even know what you would do if you, like we were trying to make another one. Find job. Yeah. Especially with a massive budget that you're expected to show in the film, you know, like the original matrix was so well written and so tight because of those, you know, budget challenges, at least partially not, of course, because of them.

But that, that kind of, we got to figure out a way to do this. That's cheap is a lot of times a really interesting and font of creativity. There we go. I could have said it like other people do. Uh-huh. Well, I am the architect. So Alex gets to talking about how like in 25 years, we're all going to be plugged in. That's true.

We're going to be plugged into machines, man. Ooh, we're counting down. It's not just Wired Magazine and Silicon Weekly and many other publications, including Salon Today that are warning you of the takeover. Last year, a new army war college report in 2000 came out and said within 25 years, we will all be in a hive mind that the Pentagon will oversee the insertion of the public in to a control grid that we will all be mounted in our homes wired in to a global government mind control computer.

See that's kind of fun because Alex could take that clip and he could be like, look at Facebook. Sure, sure. You know, like he was like, I was right. Yeah, yeah. He's not. No. He's talking about the matrix and talking about that being real.

Yeah. In your in your house that you're plugged into or whatever, like it's not, it's not a metaphorical. Oh my God, social media is going to take off. No. And there were people already at the time going like social media might not be a good idea to have it take off. And they were people who had studied real life technology and real life trends towards that.

They weren't like, it's going to be exactly like the matrix dog eyes. Come on. The movie's evil. Yeah. Come on. That's a reality. This is though, like this whole movie, everything is just preparing you, Jordan, sure to go into the matrix.

Okay. They are preparing you for your journey into the real matrix. Now if you're shocked by this, I've been warning you long before the matrix came out. This was their plan. The elite, of course, will not be implanted. And that most of you are going to be killed after they release mass plagues. This is if they get you hurt into the larger cities. And yesterday I read from Wired News out of the newest DARPA document where they say everything

you do will be tracked and traced and you will be plugged into this system. I'm sure you saw all the newscast in the same exact words and the same order. That Wired article, in case you did not listen to our last episode, was about a research proposal that DARPA had for a program called LifeLog, which didn't end up happening and we're not in the matrix. We're not. Or are we? We would know.

Exhausting. Yes. So, I feel exhausted by those sorts of questions where you're like, well, maybe we are. What is real? Totally. Totally. Great. Yeah.

Fun. Alex finds it painful to watch movies like the matrix. It was painful, but you're still going to buy a copy. Well, of course. This is real. Truth is strange with infection and to have the Illuminati shout at me for two hours was very, very painful. I was nauseated during the first 30 minutes of the film.

I will have to, of course, when it's on DVD, get a copy and try to freeze frame it. I'll still give him my money, but I will. I just am. I am just blown away by that statement out of a human after what he said. Yeah. I mean, like he's thinks that the Illuminati yelled at him for two hours and part of that was a Powerade commercial that you took personally. Was the Powerade commercial on the original DVD or do you have to get the director's

cut? I think I played in theaters. You can find it on YouTube. Okay. I found it. So anyway, this, this movie was the most gripping. That's a positive review word. That's 10.

Yeah. It was the most gripping instance of mind control. I mean, it's hard to keep people entertained for two hours. Sure. It's difficult. There were other subliminals here. I'm not sure exactly what the covert subliminals were. They're really good then.

In the front of the film at higher levels and then saturated in emotional scenes when your conscious mind is diverted in the primitive combat function, mammalian activity structure. So this is what we're facing. I recommend that you do not see the film. I know the reverse psychology will probably see it though. Curiosity killed the cat. I was, I felt like walking out of the film. It was the most gripping experience of overt mind control I have ever experienced.

I don't know if you could do a better commercial for the Matrix movie to Alex's audience than that. That is catnip to them. They're all going to flock to the theater to like, oh my God, I was able to resist the mind control. No, it's like one of those marketing strategies where they try and piss off Christians because then they know real people will watch it and be like, oh, I get it. This is fun.

I'm doing this to make whiny old church ladies angry at me. So this next clip just confused me. The oldest form of mind control is superstition. The witch doctor knew when the solar or lunar eclipse was coming. It's really offensive. And he was generally part of a hereditary guild or kind of your first Masonic lodge. No. And he didn't know why there wasn't a eclipse, but he knew when it was coming and it happened

so infrequently that people would forget about it. He could use that knowledge to shock and amaze members of the tribe and then get special favors, the best hut, the best women, the best food. So I guess according to Alex, like which doctors are Illuminati, I think that's what he's saying. Man, I will tell you this right now. I think the thing that scares him more than the matrix reloaded more than oblivion. That's weekend at Bernie's too.

Because if you recall, I think we all know what happened to Bernie in that situation. Was there an eclipse? He was brought back to life and ambulatory by a what we would have called at the time a witch doctor. Yeah. I know that I've heard these sorts of ideas from Alex and they come from like weird colonial era literature totally about the like horrible depictions of folks that I know that I've heard these thoughts, but I didn't know that his idea of like shamans being part

of a guild ancestral guild, sure. I didn't know that part of it, which I think is really funny. I think it's hilarious to imagine that he thinks that all of these these shamans or whatever were somehow linked up back in the day. And you know what? They got the best huts. That's I just that's what the scam was. What a fucking ignorant and racist thing to think without learning anything about it

at all. It's interesting to question whether like he got this from some other very misguided source or he wrote it himself in his head and I'm not sure. So I feel like Alex is kind of as it relates to the matrix is really caught up in it being a little gay. When you see a society in decline, the empires always use superstition and gladiatorial diversions to divert and distract them. And that's exactly what I saw in the matrix and overall globalist in your face admitting

its revelation of the method, Illuminati terms, homosexual orgies and much, much more. This is a corrupting film. He brings up way more than once that there is like there are things that are homosexual in nature. Right. Right. That's a real sticking point for him. So what he's saying is that the elites in the middle of a crumbling empire will do their

best to distract you with superstition and gladiatorial type combats on a certain sort. So that is why Alex is giving us the Christian point of view of a movie. It makes sense. Yeah. Fair enough. So I thought like, man, what fun. We got a movie review. Alex was off base on a lot of stuff to do for the rest of the show.

Yeah, I feel like there's really nowhere else to go after you've dug into the reloaded. There's one place to go. Okay. And that's to the phone. Sure. Alex takes a call and this guy is a disabled person and he wants to know what the globalists are going to do with him. Oh, no.

No, no. I just turned 50 years old in March and anyway, I was, my left eye was put out with a rock when I was four so I had to use my right eye pretty much all my life and it's getting to where I can hardly read. And I was in a real bad wreck at, well, I had to go on total disability. It messed my neck and my spine up and I had to become totally disabled. And I was just wondering what's going to happen to me when all this stuff comes about? Are they going to just do away with me?

They are going to put you in the compact city and you will live in a small one room apartment with armed SWAT teams all about you, cameras everywhere, thumbs can to get your food. And the first time you get sick, they're not going to treat you. They're going to put you on hospice, strap you down and dehydrate you to death. It's terrible, aren't you? Well, I don't mean to scare you. It doesn't mean to scare them. What the fuck was that?

They're going to dehydrate you to death. That is so fucking cruel. That dude is clearly struggling. He's super fucked up. Yeah. He's really just man and then Alex just without a fucking thought just makes up some bullshit about how this guy's going to be tortured to death in a small apartment under watch of the SWAT teams.

Wow. They're going to tie him down and dehydrate him. Is that what that guy was calling in looking for? I don't think it's maybe. I mean, he couldn't possibly have been looking for comfort. No, no, maybe he was looking for something to justify his, his belief in Alex. Yeah, it's like, well, this is the horrors that they're going to inflict upon someone like me and their dystopian future.

Yes, then I must fight. And this caller actually does, you know, I guess he does get what he was looking for. He hopes that he can fight to the death against these people who would seek to dehydrate him. Well, I just hope God gives me the guts to fight to die. That's Patrick Henry dead. Well, you say you have a son. Yeah, I got two boys. One is 24.

Your boy's job is not to move away and take some jobs and make a little more money. Their job is to take care of you. Right, yeah. They don't take care of you. They're going to hell. What? I mean, honor thy father and mother, of course. That is the commandment more important than all.

Sure. But also, no, also, no, huge, no. That seemed that seemed a little bit out of place for what I know of Alex. Like your kids got to take care of you. They're going to hell. What a very strange man. Yeah. What a strange man to react to like this to a guy who's clearly in pain.

Yeah, all the time. I feel like these are interesting glimpses into things that, you know, he would say or support, but wouldn't really necessarily come up if it weren't for collars. Yeah, totally. And that's why I kind of enjoy that there's a lot more collars in the past. Also, yeah, I do like finding out more and more little tiny details of his weird cosmology and like, well, obviously, if you don't stay with your parents and take care of them until their death, you go to hell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Satan will grab you. Is that why his dad works there? Must be. Must be. So another caller calls in. He wants to, he's big, he's big into relitigating the Civil War. Here's a couple points.

Okay. Over 100,000 soldiers from the Union Army deserted. Lincoln ended up with a general who was a drunk. I mean, he, the odds and the more you listen to this and later on a president, Lincoln was like Lincoln was a very spiritual man. No, yeah, his wife was in the adult. Well, his wife is a different story. I hear you.

Listen, I appreciate the call. I got to go. And they have a weird that Lincoln shows up on a episode where he hates homosexuality so much. So we get Alex goes to break and he comes back and he gets another call and this guy is just watched a TV show about Hitler. Sure. And he wants to make some comparisons to George Bush.

I do like these calls too. Yeah. The wording, the phrasing that Hitler used in his speech before the Reichstag, after the Reichstag fire to get the passage of the enabling act, which gave him all encompassing power. Did somebody take that? I'd like somebody to send me that please. I didn't, but I certainly hope somebody does because you, you will love it.

Alex, you're going to love it. So this guy saying that the phrasing that Hitler used and arguing for the enabling act is the same as the phrasing that George Bush is using. Yeah. He didn't tape this. He has no idea. Alex hasn't seen it. It's just a conversation of people that you catch that thing on TV.

Yep. Okay. Wild. Whatever. I have a theory. I have a theory that I've been working on for a long time, which is that part of why we are where we are now is so many people have been so obsessed with watching documentaries about Hitler and the rise of the Nazis that over time it's turned into a sort of admiration

for that for a lot of people, which is why we see all of these conversations in comparisons to Hitler from the far right about everybody else, despite them adopting those tactics, tactics, almost whole cloth. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think I think they're like, it was effective. I think you could learn the wrong lessons. Yes. So Alex and this caller, while they're talking about Hitler and his speech that is mirroring

George W. Bush, they get into a little bit of a, hey, let's recast the Bush administration, but with their sort of their analog in the sure, sure, sure, the Hitler administration. Of course. Of course. The comparison between the Bush administration and the Hitler administration, John Astroff, traffic to Heinrich EV. Heinrich, Heinrich and Hendrick Henckman. Heinrich and the Heinrich hemob numerous years ago.

Well, I guess kind of a behind the scenes guy, but they're not going to get away with it. It's Rumsfeld-Gerbels, it's Rumsfeld-Gerbels, I need to be in more situations where that question is asked of me. Yeah. So John Ashcroft was the attorney general for Bush. This is not analogous to Himmler, who was the Reichfuhrer. He was the commander of the SS.

If you want to be overly generous, you could say like he was metaphorically the head of the Joint Chiefs, maybe something like that. Maybe it was just Colin Powell. Tom Ridge is the secretary of Homeland Security. Right. Herman Göring was the head of the Luftwaffe, and then he was in control of the Reich tag. So an equivalent here might be the Speaker of the House or maybe Vice President since they're the president of the Senate.

Sure. Sure. Cheney's behind the scenes guy with no parallel. So I'm going to ignore that apparently Rumsfeld is Gerbels, which is fucking nuts. Yeah. That's Carl Rove is Gerbels. Yeah. Anyone who knows how to book a fantasy Nazi team knows that.

It's a disgrace that Alex doesn't like to throw. Yeah. It's it's not have been more Roe ever. Yeah. No, there's only Roe and Gerbels. Like it's those two. It's very, very simple. So Gebels, he had some ideas about the big lie.

That is that is so much like how how. Gebels. He had some ideas about the big lie. Right. You tell big enough lie and people will believe it bigger lie harder. It is for people to, you know, whatever. It's a big lie. Alex has some thoughts about that.

Well, Joseph Gebels was Hitler's minister of propaganda. Yeah. One who said when you tell a lie, make it big, repeat it often, and most people will believe it. And some people say that that quote is an actor because he said what our enemies do is tell a big lie and tell it often enough. But they were still explaining what they did. I don't know.

Nothing to remember from Star Wars, but as the way I quoted it, I may well be wrong. But what I'm saying is some people say that that's taken out of context, but no, they're explaining how the big lie works. Regardless, it's a statement of fact. So some people think that was taken out of context. Is there anything more American than two old white guys talking about Nazis that they haven't bothered to read about? So Gerbels took the concept of the big lie actually from another source.

Sure. Yeah. Hitler's book. The passage in question had to do with Hitler blaming everything that went wrong in World War One on the Jews. The Jews had committed a big lie about what had gone down. When Alex says that Gerbels points out that their enemies use a big lie, what he's failing to point out is that the actual context of the quote is Nazi propaganda against Jews.

Yeah. The big lie was the was the lie about Jews being the problem. That was the big lie. Yeah. It wasn't the Jews lying about their involvement. The big lie was telling people that Alex is doing a great job of putting history into context for his list. This is awesome.

You're great. Hey, this is the guy who said that Hitler and Stalin were complete badasses. He's read so many books about World War Two, millions of books, millions. So Alex gets another caller and this, this is my kind of cat. Okay. He wants to know a very specific question and he wants the answer from Alex and that is what Bible do you read, man? And this is a loaded question because this means something to this caller.

Obviously he thinks that some versions of the Bible are not accurate. Yeah. Yeah. Some things like a, like a newer version. The King James or the NIV or whatever it is you'd like, there's some books that are added and yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe he's somebody who's into some non canonical books. Maybe who knows?

I love this kind of question because it's very specific and there's a specific answer that you should give. Okay. If you're Alex, if you're a religious person, you should have an opinion. Even if that opinion is, I think a lot of different translations sure are okay. Sure. You should have an answer. Alex whiffs.

Let's talk to George and Colorado. Thanks for holding. George, you're on the air. Yeah. How you doing, man? I'm a first time listener and I got nowhere. You stand on a couple of things on Sunday morning when you go to church. I just wondering what Bible you carried through church with you.

Well I don't go to church. I don't go to the worship, the government and learn a Masonic religion. Most of these, I can't really find a church here locally. I occasionally go to Tex Marz's church, which is good. Oh no. No. Oh no. No.

So, okay. So Alex doesn't go to churches, but when he does, he goes to Tex Marz noted anti-Semite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe that. I think Alex is just grasping at straws and that was the only thing that could come into his mind of like, oh, this is a crazy right wing extremist church I can sort of signal

to. Yeah. But yeah, I mean the caller is just like, he wants an answer of like King James all the way, baby. Totally. Yeah. And Alex instead is like, I only go to insane anti-Semites church. Yeah.

I don't go to church where you worship the government. It couldn't be more of an important question either because the simple fact is if you want to believe the Bible, you also have to believe that it was divinely inspired. So if there's a difference between two different versions of the Bible, that would suggest that people got involved somewhere along the line. At least in one of the versions. Yeah. Exactly.

If there's a discrepancy. Right. So this caller is into Jesus and that should be enough for Alex. It's not. It's just on a spiritual level here and from here in Colorado, it's like the mecca of where all these Bibles are published and everything. And we take a lot of heat and that's what we stand for at our church. And we just believe in the old time religion and serving the Lord Jesus Christ and going

out personal soul winning and you know, confrontational soul winning and stuff. Well, I don't do that. The casual society control grid of the New World Order? No, about the exception Jesus Christ there, you know, personal. They don't mean so your church doesn't talk about the New World Order, though. Well, no. Well, yeah, I mean, of course, you know, that's in sermons and everything. Great.

Listen, I appreciate the call. Good to hearing from you, George. So apparently, Alex is prerequisite for a church to actually be a church is they have to have his political inclination and preach about the New World Order. It's not enough. No, they are aggressively and confrontationally into saving souls for Jesus. Yeah. That's weird.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty weird. Yeah. You know, if there's anything I've always thought about religion, it's that it should be in politics. Nonstop.

Yep. So Alex gets another caller and this guy is kind of into Hitler, I believe. Troy in New York here on the air. Go ahead. Yes. Thank you for allowing me to speak and be heard. Oh, no. It's a big lie technique.

The Antichrist accused Hitler of inventing and propagating the big lie technique. This accusation is in fact the big lie technique in action. Well done. You know, it's not the devil who reveals the tricks of the devil. The anti devil who reveals the tricks of the devil. So I guess he's saying that the Jews are the devil. So wait, so the Antichrist toll said that Hitler, no, the Antichrist doesn't reveal the Antichrist's plans, right?

It's a good thing to reveal the Antichrist's plans in my comp. Hitler talked about how the Jews were to blame for everything in World War One. Right. The big lie was like pointing the finger at nationalist leaders, right? Right. And so that is the Hitler revealing the Antichrist plans, which was, I mean, if you look at it, it's just very clearly saying that the Jews are. Yeah.

That's basically what he's saying. Yes. Yeah. That's why I'm concerned. Right. It's concerning. There's an issue here. Yes.

There is a problem. Especially after, you know, Alex has said that he goes to Tex Marz's church. Yikes. Like this is just, this is deeply anti-Semitic. Yeah. The everything that's going on here. Yeah. I don't, I, man, you could just get away with a lot of shit.

Oh, yes. Man. And then it gets even worse because a name gets dropped and Alex, although he should be denouncing this person, will not. I was saying that guy forgot his name. He's from what? What? What?

His name is David. David J. Smith walks to Hatchie, Texas. Yes. Yeah. And he was saying, you know, it's a new world order and there's not much that we can do about it because, you know, it's in the Bible and I was just, you know, that I put a lot of people think, you know, they think, well, it's in the Bible and certainly bad things happen, bad things are going to happen, but we have a job to warn people and wake folks

up and we can do something about that. And at the same time, you know, people thought that Hitler was the Antichrist and you can't fight him. It's the end of the world. Some of the Christians thought that they thought Stalin was, they thought Mal was. So every thought that comes along, the churches are being paid off, not to speak out and fight it. I'm not interested in that.

He's a good guy. I'm talking about the biggest establishment 501 C threes. So David J. Smith is doing the same thing that all of these evil churches are, they've been paid off to do it. He's saying there's no use in fighting the new world order or whatever, but Alex is like, no, he's cool. Yeah. Well, he's doing it for free.

If you don't recall, David J. Smith is the preacher who's super into British Israelism. Yeah, I do recall that very much a white identity proponent and the true Jews are white people. Yeah. Yeah. So now we have two examples within like 10 minutes of Alex's show of two very anti-Semitic preachers that Alex is a fan of and won't speak ill of. Uh-uh.

He's a good guy. That's bad, man. Yeah. That's really bad. Yeah. Yeah. And especially because one of the things that we've thought for so long is that he went under the radar with his anti-Semitism by just renaming it globalism, that he's just

openly anti-Semitic here is kind of mind boggling. Like does he hide it later? Well, I think that he probably doesn't experience all of this stuff as being as anti-Semitic as it is. That's true. That's true. Wow. Yeah.

It is. It's super anti-Semitic. So let's take a load off. Let's get a little bit lighter. This has been, you know, some heavy stuff with these calls. A lot of, a lot of hatred. And this is just a good fun. It's one of the things that I think is, is one of the treats, one of the delights of

going back to the past. Yeah. And that is that there's a running theme that keeps going on through Alex's show. And that is that people from the Republic of Texas keep calling and wanting to like get Alex's take on things. Sovereign citizen stuff. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. They expect Alex to be on board because he wants to secede and what have you. Sure. But he hates these people. Let's talk to DeWayne in Texas. DeWayne, you're on the air. Go ahead. Oh, I like to appreciate your time and the name is Wayne, not D. Wayne, but Wayne.

And I was just checking to see if you have gotten my letter. And I think you'll recognize it because it had the Texas flag on the envelope and on the letterhead. Yeah. I've got your letter. Good. I have a fax number from you. Not over the air, but you can fax my fax.

Well, sir, I don't know if I can, you know, I barely have time to read these letters. I understand. Let's respond to them. I understand. What's on your mind, sir? I just received a letter from the Republican National Committee wanting my opinions. I answered their questionnaire and then I'm sending them a three-page letter of my opinion. Yes.

And what are your opinions? Well, my opinions are that the only way we're going to beat this system starts small and for Texas to start the process for succession. And then, but to do that, we can't have 14 fruit cakes pop up and claim themselves presidents of Texas. Hey, Alex is just so mad at these Republic of Texas people. Not a big tent. It's not a big enough time for 14 presidents.

Oh, yes. I got your letter. That that is the that's the moment that deflation of that. I got your letter that familiarity of like, I know exactly who I'm talking to. This is happening. This is going to happen. Is this the president of Texas? Call again.

I have to. I have to let you talk a little bit because I know so many of my listeners are you. And there isn't really all that much air between us. There's not. There's not a real substantive difference between what we believe. Yeah. I just hate you. I just hate you because you won't shut up about it.

I want to talk about the matrix reloaded for an hour. Yeah. And take aggressively anti-semitic. Yes. And now I have to be like, Oh, the government's a lie. So here's how we wrap up. Alex has taken some calls. He has a he has a guest who talks to you for a bit in the third hour who's someone who

ran a a union in New Mexico and they got evicted because they had a war protest. Yeah. And great. Yeah. Great. That is something that you should probably, you know, you know, point out or whatever. Alex wouldn't do that in the present day. No.

But also I don't know if I'm really that interested in this because like obviously personally, I agree that they shouldn't have been evicted. Yeah. But I understand that having a demonstration could have been a breach of their lease. Sure. So I understand and I don't understand why Alex would be against the landlords right to evict someone for having. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's politically bizarre. And I don't know. But one way I am like, you know, part of protest is that there are going to be consequences for it. You can't protest and think that it's not a protest if no one is going to fight back.

You know, that's just advice. Much like much like the matrix to need to be stakes. Yes. Absolutely. And then on the other hand, fuck you for evicting them. Fair enough. Yeah. So here's the last clip.

And we posted an article in infowars.com about the Meriginian bloodline. What they talk about in Matrix 2. I don't suggest you. It's mind control folks. I've seen it. It's mind control, man. It's mind control folks. I've seen it.

Someone like me is strong enough to stand up to the mind control. You might not be. Don't go ahead. Do you know how strong he is? He can't. He can't be mind control. He's going to buy the movie just so he can test himself against its mind control. Or Dan.

It's good practice. Or Dan, perhaps all of the mind control that he was concerned about is not the mind control they were thinking about. Maybe they were mind controlling him into buying the DVD. Yeah. He also has a fridge full of Powerade and he doesn't know why. Exactly. Yes.

I'm so mad at Powerade. He's chugging Powerade and saying these mind tricks don't work on me. The only way to get rid of Powerade is to drink it all. That's true. That's what's going to happen. I'm going to drink the whole business dry. Powerade is a finite resource. Exactly.

Eventually I'll get to the end of it. Eventually we're going to run out of power. That'll teach him. I'll show him. I'll give them all my money. Yeah. So I guess in terms of this, obviously you needed to get to the point where he actually sees the movie.

Yes. That's great. Yeah. And in terms of preparation for an episode, this included me watching a movie. It's great. So that's a nice little derivation from the norm. Fun. But yeah, we'll be back on our next episode where Alex will not be reviewing The Matrix

hopefully. Hopefully. But until then, Jordan, we have a website. We do have a website. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter.

It's that KnowledgeFight.net. Go to bed, Jordan. On Facebook. We are on Facebook. We are down to show iTunes. Please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now. Yeah.

We'll be back. Until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Daryl Rundis. I'm Andy in Kansas. You're on the air.

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