Knowledge Fight - #581: June 3, 2003

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at a day from the past. In this installment, Alex defends an abortion clinic bomber, discusses spending time on hate websites, and piques Dan's curiosity.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. So Alex and I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed, we are Dan. Hey, Dan, what's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is that the family of Selene's adopted children continues to grow as Ashley has sent an adoption

of a snow leopard. Thank you. So now we've got a snow leopard, a baby elephant, a whale. That's so good. You're going to need to do. You're going to. Here's the problem with animal drops and a quack quack. Yeah, of course it's pronounced quack. Yeah, the problem is all of Alex's animal drop related stuff would be like, I killed this dog and you're like, no, that's not what we want for our wildlife thing. No, no, no, it gives the entirely wrong message. But I'm very excited about this extended family that is growing snow leopard, snow leopard, very adorable, beautiful, big cat. Yeah, absolutely. What's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan, is my partner and I are headed to scenic Oregon. We're going to head up and great time to. Yeah, no, we were thinking it's

really hot here, but it wasn't on fire. Right. So we were like, let's go to where it's on fire, you know, like the like a real one. Yeah, you pick you pick your traveling times. Interestingly, yes. Yeah, yeah, that should be fun. Have you been to the West Coast? I have. We've been to the West Coast, but not the Northwest Pacific Northwest. It is a bit different. Yeah, along along the North and more south ends of the West Coast, very, very different sort of wildlife. Yeah, different landscape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing that. We're trying to we're going to go adventure all around the whole place. We're going to go to the coast. We're going to go we're staying in a tree house. Oh, wow. In the middle of no like real unplugged that kind of shit like in

the middle of nowhere. So I'm going to wind the whole time. Sure. About how I don't have all my electronic tools. I wish I could play games. But it's going to be a very exciting adventure. Yeah, I'm thrilled for you and a little bit jealous because you know I like to be in the woods. I know I know I hope you all have a great time and unfortunately that it leads us into a little bit of admin based conversation. There we go. This trip of yours snuck up on me a little bit. Me too. Time has a certain way of being that way and I I had wanted to I knew that you were going to go on this trip and I wanted to like record episodes in advance in order to make sure that we could keep the ball rolling and what have you. But the reality is between my toe surgery

and feeling bad and then not feeling bad and then now guess what surprise feel like shit again. Yeah, there we go. Been been sick for last couple days. It's been really difficult. So we're just going to be off. Yes, that's the plan. Yeah, but there won't be a Friday episode because unless some crazy inspiration strikes. Yeah, and I record something with Phil and Jordan. Yes, but if otherwise while you're gone, I'm going to be recovering. Please recover and doing some admin work. We got a couple of irons that might I might heat up a tiny bit. Of course I take a big lighter to that to that crack pipe. Yeah, I wouldn't. Is that not in my mind? Yes, I was thinking more of like an iron that used to flatten your clothes right and I'm heating it up with

a big lighter because it's very efficient. Okay, you went with a crack. I went with a crack pipe. I mean, I feel like that's better than cooking heroin in a spoon. I wasn't talking about cooking heroin. I was talking about heating up an iron right right. I forgot that part. Have fun in the woods. Well, I've got I'll have a lot of heroin. Sure. So Jordan, today we're we got an episode to go over and unfortunately it's not. There's not a lot to talk about. There's a couple of important themes that I think run through this, but I do not have very many clips because not a lot of meat on this bone. Whoa, Nellie. No, so this is June 3rd, 2003, and you know, going back in the past because Alex has been a little bit disappointing in the present. I didn't really

have much more to say. I don't want to just constantly talk about how disappointing he is in the present and COVID stuff. Like I don't want to do that every single episode for sure. And there's things that really fascinate me about the past and there's things that I really want to learn more about. And you know, if I if I have that option in front of me, certainly if I'm also not feeling well, I would rather do that. Totally. So I went back to this and it's just kind of a blah. Okay. It's not great. Okay. About an hour and 15 hour and 20 of this three hour episode. Oh boy. Is Alex interviewing a family about a situation, a medical situation that makes an almost no sense. Okay. It's has to do with the mother getting a hepatitis test positive. She

tested positive for hepatitis. Sure. And then something had to be done because she was giving birth because she had a child. That's tough. Right. And then it turned out it might have been a false positive. Right. And this is a conspiracy somehow. Oh God. I don't know. Okay. Most of the stuff that sounds really nefarious about the interview breaks down to one of the one of the reasons it's really difficult is because there's like four people on the line that Alex is talking to. Great. Great. Great. The mom, the dad, the grandma and a doctor. I think is their aunt. Yeah. Like just it's nonsense. Everybody wants to hear a bad podcast. It's out of control. I couldn't handle it. And like the only thing that they say that even rises to the level of like, I don't

know about this is like one of them says that the nurse or the doctor was like, we don't want your money. We just want your first born. Okay. All right. Okay. So we're bringing back orphan trains. Is that what's going on? And to me, I heard that and I thought, well, there's about a 5% chance this is someone making an awful joke. Yeah. Awful joke. Yeah. That's a bad one. About a 95% chance this was misheard. And it was them saying, we don't want your money. We want your first born child to be healthy, healthy, to be born safe, to be alive. Yeah. We're focused on the health outcomes. The money's not what's best for your child. We're not trying to get rich off your the nurses and like, Hey, man, I'm going to need I'm going to need this up front. Yeah. Yeah. And

so they keep circling around this and Alex keeps pointing it out. And I was just I was listening to it like, Oh my God, says just nothing. It's just just that's brutal. And so yeah, I mean, you know, when you got a three hour episode and you got an hour and 20, it's nothing, nothing. Well, here we go. So we'll get down to business on this here, Jordan. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up in our sporting show. Oh, it's a great idea. So first, gentlemen, scholars, signs in San Francisco. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Jordan disgustingly saying what Nick Fuentes is better than his laugh. Thank you so much. You're now a

policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Apparently you disgustingly said what at Nick Fuentes. Sounds like something I do. It does. Thank you. Next, Rabbi Dave. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thanks Rabbi Dave. Next, Jordan, but not that one. The one that makes beer by the river. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next hot single rainbow dildo butt monkeys in your area. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. I just wish more people would say rainbow dildo butt monkey and like just drop it in any conversation you can. Sure. Any conversation you can. Thank you. And then finally, we have a technocrat come to Blue Ridge Rock Festival.

Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt bugging on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. This honestly is not sponsored content. Okay, good. I was waiting for next episode where we're like, all right, and the next technocrat is everybody drink Pepsi. God damn it. God damn it. I reserve the right to say whatever I want about this festival. I was looking over the lineup. Uh-huh. What do we got? I haven't studied this lineup. We got tech nine on there from Kansas City. Sure.

Rapper tech nine. Yeah. Um, I've scrolled way too far down. We got the line with the headliners of Rob Zombie, director of Halloween movies. All right. I was going to go with House of A Thousand Corpses. Limp Bizkit. Limp Bizkit. Limp Bizkit. Limp Bizkit. I don't know. Is that a cover band? I didn't know that they were still like a unit. I thought they were all dead. No. Fred Durst is like a TV director now. Well, you just know that because I keep bringing up that he directed an episode of House. Exactly. That's all I know. He also directed that movie with Ice Cube, uh, where there was a young girl who played football. Oh, uh, are we there yet? No. Are we there yet too? Are we still not there? That's right. Um, Bush. Just Bush. Bush is on the

lineup. Uh, like, uh, Glycerine Bush? Glycerine Bush. He was great in Constantine. It really launched his acting career. Yeah. I forgot that he was in that. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Yep. Yeah. He was not great in it. Uh, yeah. So, uh, Luda, Ludacris, fresh off his appearance in class nine. Hey, man, Luda has fallen far if he's co-headlining with Bush. I don't think he's co-headlining. Oh, he's a couple, uh, couple of rows down. No, Luda. Special guest, Steve Oh. Cool. His plug may have not gone exactly as intended. If you like those bands, you're already going. So Jordan, um, yes, here we are. And, uh, there's one sort of prevailing narrative that goes

throughout, uh, the, the large part of the show. And that is about Eric Rudolph, who, do you know, do you remember him? Uh, I remember the name. I don't remember exactly what he did. He was the guy who was the actual bomber at the Olympics. That's him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ninety-six. Richard Jule is a name that people remember much more because he was the first, uh, suspect. Right. Right. Very, had a very terrible time with that. It was very unfair. Really real bullshit. Um, but Eric, uh, Rudolph is the actual person he confessed. And, uh, boy, he had a lot of ideas that were fairly similar to Alex. It did. I do recall around this time, many bombers had very similar ideas to Alex. Uh, so this, uh, conversation surrounding Eric Rudolph is happening, uh, in the press.

And Alex is not very happy about this because, uh, they are pointing out that Eric Rudolph is somebody who has a lot of ties to Christian identity type groups and they seem to be the kind of beliefs that we're motivating his, his bombing. Yeah. Well, you know, it's good because we saw it, we saw the real problem that it was going to be. We addressed it and we focused on outreach efforts and education. And now we don't have to deal with this type of stuff anymore. Right. So the thing too that you have to remember is that Eric Rudolph didn't just, uh, set off the bomb at Olympic Park. Um, there was also multiple bombings of abortion clinics and a, uh, uh, gay bar that he got away with multiple bombings. Yes. He had committed other bombings in addition to this

shit. And well, I mean, he, I mean, he got charged with everything, but like that those are other things that are indicative of the reasons that he did the things he did. Yeah. And even the, uh, Olympic bombing was motivated, uh, by multiculturalism. Well, something along those lines somewhat. I mean, that's definitely a piece of it, but it is more, uh, virulent anti-abortion, uh, activism. Right. Right. Right. The targets are the message. Sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, if you read his confession, yes, definitely. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The socialist, uh, cultural mixing that goes into the Olympics, I wanted to embarrass them. There it goes. Yeah. So there's a bit of that. Um, Alex has decided that he's innocent. Oh, and he's, he talks a little bit about Christian identity in this clip,

and I find his awareness and non-awareness of things impossible to coexist in a human brain. We'll also get into Eric Rudolph. And, uh, well, you think he's really guilty after they already tried to grab two other people, not just Richard Jewel. It was some other guy. They said they thought it done it. Now they say they're sure Rudolph, uh, has carried all of this out. And here's the headline out of the Washington Post. Very predictable. Is terrorism tied to Christian sect? Is terrorism tied to Christian sect? Religion may have motivated bombing suspect. Perhaps it needs to be banned. And the FBI and FEMA don't just train the police that Christian identity people are terrorists, which of course they're not. They also train the, uh, police that all Christians of any type,

if they believe in a second coming of Christ, if they believe in homeschooling, if they're against vaccinations, if you're pro-second amendment, if you're a quote, defender of the U.S. Constitution, that you are a terrorist. Now I may not agree with the tenants, uh, of, uh, British Israeliism. That's basically what it is. The Queen of England says that she's really Jewish and she's coordinated on a stone from, uh, really from a Baghdad from Babylon. And that's specific information. Uh, you know, they're the true lost tribe. And that's really where all of this grew out of. And, and, and of course there was a large migration of, uh, some, uh, Middle Eastern or people including Jews into what you could call medieval England. So I guess there's some truth to that,

but it doesn't really matter. And I don't want to get off into a big long discussion and argument about that. I wouldn't if I were you as well. So first of all, Eric Rudolph totally did the Atlanta Olympics bombing. He pled guilty to the crime along with multiple other bombings, which were inspired mostly by his opposition to abortion. Right. There are very strong indications that Rudolph was a follower of the Christian identity movement and had been in touch with affiliated militant groups like the army of God. This doesn't seem like a big stretch, even if you are only judging from his own statements. That said, I find this fascinating. Alex simultaneously is totally aware of British Israelism and is totally lying about what it is. He admits to, like we covered

this in a past episode, he admitted to listening to and admiring David J Smith on the radio through his younger years, which would be impossible if he thinks that the description he just gave of British Israelism is correct. It's just not possible. It's bizarre. This is definitely an instance of Alex making up a straw man. So he doesn't have to deconstruct the beliefs of Christian identity communities because if he did so, there would be glaring overlap with his own beliefs. Alex also desperately doesn't want to engage with the similarities between himself and someone like Eric Rudolph, because ultimately, Eric Rudolph was bombing the Olympics and reproductive health clinics, but he was also in the process pointing a finger at people like Alex. From his

confession, quote, those who call themselves pro-life and who claim that abortion is murder, and that those who use force to prevent it are just as morally reprehensible as the abortionists, for these I have nothing to say other than that you are liars, hypocrites and cowards. There's no more fundamental duty for a moral citizen than to protect the innocent from assault. That is inherent in the values of all higher civilizations. You have the right, the responsibility and the duty to come to the defense of the innocent when the innocent are under assault. Would you protect your children from the clutches of a murderer? Would you protect your neighbors? Children, if they were under assault, if you answered yes to both of these,

then you must support the use of force as justified in attempting to prevent the murder that is abortion. That's very straightforward. Direct. I mean, they're all a bunch of hypocrites and he's arguing that it is a moral necessity to support violence in the service of opposing abortion. I mean, I suppose if you are, I mean, yeah, if you are accepting that their logic is abortion is murder and that Alex is right when he says we've murdered millions of babies or whatever and brought the wrath of Satan upon us, the literal wrath of God upon us, then yes, I don't see how you can't follow that logic through and he's right. If you do believe that and you don't do anything, then you're a coward and a

hypocrite. Well, yeah, you just don't actually believe it because it's not true. I can disagree with Eric Rudolph and Alex. Fine. Alex has a difficult line to walk if he wants to disagree with what this guy is putting out because they believe they agree in substance and Alex's rhetoric implies what Eric Rudolph believes, but Alex can't own the end conclusion of his own positions. I mean, imagine Alex saying and the reason that he did this in his thing is because we've aborted too many babies, just like how yesterday I said we've aborted too many babies. Yeah. Yeah. Eric Rudolph's confession is essentially a call to arms to the right wing to engage in active violence against a government that he feels is illegitimate, largely because of the fact that

abortion is legal. Another quote from his confession, quote, 225 years ago, our ancestors overthrew their government because they were not being represented for purposes of taxation. Tell me, you good patriots, is the costous belly of taxation without representation more weighty than the deliberate murder of 50 million people? You lie and your lies will find you. That's a directed call out at people like Alex who use talk of extremism to make money, but don't support the cause enough to do actual extremism. Yeah. Someone like Alex doesn't have a good rebuttal to that argument. So the best thing to do is to insist that Rudolph must be a patsy. It doesn't matter that he confessed and explained his actions in detail. It's still a

false flag because the alternative is a threat to Alex's self image, which is that of a crusading hero of the right wing. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough whenever terrorism happens and you are the person who's like, man, terrorism should really happen, but I don't want it to happen. That would be terrible. I don't want anybody to get hurt. I mean, obviously the only prescription is terrorism, but I don't want anybody to get hurt because I'm a good person. You should hurt people. Yeah, yeah. It's tough to foster the ecosystem that creates and perpetuates events like this, because in order to do it, you have to denounce the actual things, but you can't actually denounce them. You have to rewrite them as fake in order to be like, well, yeah, people should be blowing

up abortion clinics, but we would never do that. We would never do that. And the fact that this guy did that is evidence that he was probably the feds. Right, right. That's, that's funny. I do, I just realized now that the right wing probably does feel a little jealousy towards ISIS, you know, because they just get to come out and be like, Hey, we love terrorism. They don't have to play the game of being like terrorism is bad, but go do it. You know, they don't get to have as much fun. Alex has to work twice as hard. So Alex seems to be, you know, he has a difficult line to walk with this stuff with Eric Rudolph, but even beyond like that dumb game that he's trying to play, he's also just like straight up lying. Like here is him, like this is from the clip we just listened

to, but just the section where he's pretending to read a headline. And here's the headline out of the Washington Post. Very predictable. Is terrorism tied to Christian sect? Is terrorism tied to Christian sect? Religion may have motivated bombing suspect. Perhaps it needs to be banned. How much of that do you think is the actual headline? Um, based on the tone of voice he's using, it sounds like all of that is from the article, right? But it's just, it's got to just be, is terrorism tied to religious sect? Yeah. Tied to Christian. Yeah. The rest of it is just editorializing that's made to sound like it's part of the headline. Yeah. Why would the new, why would the Washington post be like, maybe we should ban this Christian sect? You know,

the thing we can do. You know, the thing that's not enshrined in the fucking Constitution. There's no suggestion at any point the Christian identity should be banned. All of that is just Alex creating a more exciting story to distract from the main point of this article, which is that Eric Rudolph did in fact have ties to Christian identity groups. And it seems very likely that his acts of terrorism were at least partially inspired by his religious beliefs. Yeah. There's a nice quote from Idaho, Idaho State University sociology professor James Aho in this article, quote, I would prefer to say that Rudolph is a religiously inspired terrorist because most mainstream Christians would consider Christian identity to be a heresy. Aho said, if Christians take umbrage at the

juxtaposition of the words Christian and terrorist, he added quote, that may give them some idea of how Muslims feel when they constantly hear the term Islamic terrorism, especially since the September 11th attacks. I refuse to learn. No. Yep. So Alex just has this whole like problem with the idea that the term Christian is being associated in any way with a potentially fringe Christian religiously motivated extremist. Sully the good name of a peaceful religion that has never at any point in time engaged in random or raw acts of terrorism towards any people. Okay, so Alex gets a little bit weird here because he has to deal with the existence of Christian identity as a thing. Yes, because it's part of this story that he's decided to cover

and he's reading this Washington Post article, maybe because he thinks he's going to get to a point where it says let's ban religion and he doesn't. But in doing so, he ends up having to address the fact that Christian identity adherents do generally believe that white people are superior. Sure. And now he has to be like, why is that wrong? Oh God, no. It isn't great. Federal investigators believe Rudolph has long been associated with the radical Christianity movement, which asserts that North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God's chosen people. Some investigators also think he may have written the letters that claim responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf

of the army of God, a violent offshoot of Christian identity. Now wait a minute, the Jews say they're the chosen people. Is that racist? Is it racist then if Northern Europeans say they're the chosen people? Is it racist when the black Muslims, certain sects of that led by Khalid Muhammad, say that they are the chosen people? Certainly we see this all over the world. There are a lot of different Asian groups that think that they are the chosen people. Most groups, if you really get down to the bottom line, think they're the chosen people. And it's very tribal. I mean, to say we're the chosen people, we're the best, we're better than anybody else. But why is it that only a few groups are allowed to say that they are the chosen people and it's not called racism?

Holy shit. Well, that's weird. Yeah, I think he accidentally made a fairly cogent argument for the problem actually being people calling themselves the chosen people. Well, yeah, and I think maybe you shouldn't be called the chosen people. I'm just tossing that out there. I think that there is a religious tradition within Judaism of God's chosen people that does not denote or imply Jewish supremacy. No. And I think that that is something else that you have to sort of remove from the conversation. When these notions are being used as something to gain something for a community that isn't about supremacy, it's not an issue. No. It is an issue when it comes to supremacist ideology. And some of the groups, sure, there are some black supremacist groups,

and I think that you can call that racist. Totally. People do. Yeah, I think the supremacy part. I think the supremacy part. Right. And trying to muddy that water is silly. And then secondly, using this argument only serves the purpose that Alex is driving towards and that is to make white supremacy. Okay, it's fine. It's fine because there's other groups who do it. Everybody is a supremacist for their own group. So it's fine. The problem is that people are judgmental towards other groups and not themselves. Wait, that is the problem. It's it's it's a little bit of a strange position to be like white supremacy is fine because these other supremacist groups exist. I would say we could flip this argument and be like no white supremacy is not

okay because it is one of the groups that is like all these other groups that also are not great. Yeah, I don't know. I would it seems like that would be more what he would want to do. He likes people who bleed red blood. He loves everybody. Yeah, it does seem like he's he's making the same moral argument as somebody who's like, yeah, I just stole that guy's car. Everybody's stealing cars. That guy stole cars. Why don't you go bother that guy? Right? Huh? Fuck you. I'm a car thief, and I'm better at it. Like fine. Okay, it does have a little bit of that feeling to it. Now one could argue that maybe Alex just doesn't know all that much about what these people believe. Doubtful. Yeah, especially because he goes on to talk about how he hangs out on racist message

groups. There we go. Because I have to tell you that I surf around the web. I see all these different sites. I look at Machia who calls for killing whites on their own on some of their websites. I look at all these different groups, white, black, it doesn't matter. And frankly, the most tame of all the racial identity groups is the Christian identity. You want to talk about the amount of members and amount of violence that we can prove they've ever been involved in that the tamest group out there. Tamest group out there. Wow. Listen, listen. What? That's like three bombings. That's three bombings. What? People have done 10 bombings. This is the best group out there. Yeah, three bombs. What are you? What are you

going to complete about three bombs? There's 10 bombs out there. Very strange. There's 10 bombers. Very strange. Barely qualifies as a serial bomber. Boy, I would say I would say that when you're in this territory for a defense, you're in trouble. This isn't good. When you're comparing terrorist groups and being like, hey, this one less effective or something. What is that? Look, these guys are so tame. Some people, they bomb a whole building. They just bomb the room. It's not a big deal. I spend a lot of time on the places where virulent, hateful groups, they get together and they discuss things. And I got to say the one that happens to align with my belief system is probably the best of them. Strange. Strange how it works

like that. Yeah. You know, I think at the end of the day, a lot of people think they're the chosen people. My group happens to be the best one. So Alex has decided that Richard Jules, Jesus, even his evil supremacy groups are still white supremacists. Like they're the white supremacists are even better at being white supremacists than other people are being other supremacists. Yeah, it seems to make sense that tracks. So Alex believes that Richard Jules was set up for the he was a fall guy because he was getting too close to uncovering a plot by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Interesting. I don't think this is true. And they grabbed Richard Jules, the security guard that got a little too close to the BATF who I believe was behind the bombing

at Olympic Park. They carry out muscle bombings. And they tried to frame him. He didn't roll over. Now they've got Rudolph and they say they will torture Tara suspects. They said on the news, you've seen them, you've heard them, you've read them saying it, hauling forward all over the media. So you can't believe anything that ever comes out of their mouths or comes out of Rudolph's mouth now because they could torture living daylights out of the sky. But I don't think he did it because they were having a lot of trouble with people peaceably protesting the abortion clinics. Alex has no evidence that he provides to support his claim that Richard Jules blamed because he was getting too close to uncovering the ATF conspiracy behind the bombing. That's just from his imagination.

I don't even give a shit. Yeah, no. However, at the end of that clip there, you can really see Alex doing his job, which is to do whatever he can to profit from tragedy. Rudolph was super clear about his motivation and if Alex were to believe it, that would be challenging for him to cover. In order for this to be marketable for Alex, he needs to make this a false flag and you can see him shamelessly do exactly that here. Rudolph was motivated by an extreme anti-abortion position. So Alex has rewritten the story to be that the feds are worried about anti-abortion activism. So they make up this patsy to demonize this group and no matter what the news ever says and no matter what he himself ever says, you can't believe that it cannot be in any way disqualifying of whatever

my assessment of this is because he was probably tortured and everybody makes up everything anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It's dumb. It's really dumb. Yeah. Yeah. That's frustrating. And it's frustrating again on a level of like, man, if we didn't have that fucking torture memo, we wouldn't be tossing around torture as being fine all the goddamn time, you know? Like that's also something that when you go back and listen to that, I'm like, fuck you, you lying piece of shit. And at the same time, I'm taken back to 2003 listening to people be like, I think if you get the information, torture's fine. That was a conversation people just had. Yeah. Like all the time. Yeah. And it's like how how and so if you if you hear that somebody like relying on that kind of emotion of like,

they're going to torture the dude, it's very easy to get overcome with that part because that's what people are saying around you all the time. That's fucked. Yeah. And I think that when Alex uses those kind of appeals for his arguments that are this clunky, what he does is a disservice to the real conversation about how bad torture. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. I think totally. I think you use it as a prop a little bit. Yeah. It's just kind of bad. Yeah. It's it's a real, you know, like normally when he's jangling keys, most of the time he's just made up the keys over here. They're plastic and he bought them from he stole them from a child. You know, this time he is jangling keys, but that key is fucking huge. You know, that's a real goddamn set of keys. Yeah. But

it's also a key that doesn't go to this lock. No, absolutely not. So he's tossing them as far away from himself as you can. You know, go look at those over there. Don't look at how all my friends bomb people. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex, like he keeps bringing up this one scene from his film Road to tyranny 9 11 Road to tyranny. And it just got annoying at a certain point. He just kept bringing it up. Have you seen road to tyranny where they say questions period founding fathers period, homeschoolers period, constitutionalist period are terrorist. Yep. And that particular five minute snippet was a piece of gold because if anything else, that particular snippet on your film 9 11, the road to tyranny is without any, without any exception, the biggest eye opener.

It's the biggest eye opener. We've got a 90% conversion rate. Well, with this with this, it's a huge eye opener. I mean, wow. I read. Hey, you know that part of your film, the part that wasn't true. That scared me so much. That fake thing that now I have disregarded all other reasoning or logic. And now everything you say is fine. Well, here's the thing. I have, you know, a position that I feel drawn to things that are either going to change my mind. Right. Or I'm going to learn why it's wrong. Correct. Generally, that's something that I mean, I don't think that I don't know how to put this, but at the beginning, when we started doing the show, I did not know all that much about like Alex's deeper beliefs and what have you. And I do think

that I came in with a position of I don't think he's right. But if he is, I will have to adjust a lot of what I believe. Of course. He's been wrong almost exclusively since then. Yes. But this this is being listed as a giant eye opener. You know, like this scene where they say that all Christians are terrorists. I feel drawn that like maybe I need to, maybe I need to go and watch this documentary. Could be. Maybe I need to have my eyes opened. I think I think I need to challenge myself again. Right. I think you're just describing what genuine curiosity is like that idea of I am interested in this regardless of the outcome. Well, yes, but I'm not interested in this really. Right. I mean, I understand exactly from, I know how this propaganda

works. I know that when they say like, yes, the founding fathers are terrorists, it's a discussion of yes, they were at that time, the British were the people who were in charge by the urgent group by definition. You can't not say that. I understand that argument was that discussion that was probably being had in this. So I'm not super curious, but if there's more to it, I should apprise myself. Of course. Absolutely. Maybe I will. Maybe we've got that coming down the line. Maybe possible. So Alex trying to wrestle with the, uh, the Eric Rudolph and the abortion clinic bombing stuff is hard. And I think he does a really bad job of it. But the key thing that I really want, want to remind myself and everybody else out there on is ask, ask the Holy Spirit

to discern in our hearts who Eric Rudolph's spiritual father is and intercede and pray for him on his behalf. Because if anybody right now needs it in his situation, uh, he does. Jeff, I really appreciate the call. And those are fine points. Let me just say this. The bombing abortion clinics is wrong and is bad abortion is wrong and is bad. But the reason bombing an abortion clinic is bad number one is that it's only going to aid the enemy. They're going to use that to demonize everybody that's peacefully protesting and that was, that are, are turning the tide against abortion in this country. There isn't a number two and no, that is not why it's wrong. Super, super not, super not why it's

wrong. No, it's super not why it's wrong. It's, it's bombing. It's in your own fucking book, idiot. Read your own fucking book for one second. It's, um, it's wrong for myriad reasons other than tactical concerns, which seems to be the only thing he's worried about. The optics of bombing abortion clinics as opposed to the, uh, inherent wrongness of the act, which is strange. And you hear this caller, he's saying we need to pray for Eric Rudolph. Yeah. He cut him off before that caller was, was able to be like, I support Eric Rudolph for bombing those clinics. No, no, no. What? Because the understanding of this is that he didn't do it. The globalists did it. Oh, the globalists did all of that. Oh, okay. Eric Rudolph is just an anti-abortion activist

guy who's being pinned for this because they want to make the anti-abortion crowd look bad. The globalists are the ones who did all the bombings and everything. He is Eric Rudolph's just a good Christian man who we need to pray, uh, uh, for help for. I don't understand how you can live with the cognitive dissonance. It requires to be like that guy who did the thing that I want a person to do was obviously set up because they want to exploit the fact that I want that person to do things and thus pin the blame of those things that I want done, but did not do on my movement. I want them done, but recognize that it's bad tactics and the globalists would recognize that too. And they would want to make it look like I'm using bad tactics as a follower of Christ. Whoa,

as we all know Christ was like, listen, turn the other cheek because it's a great tactical move. And when you are on the other side, you'll be able to come up with a left hook. That's how you do it. Boy, yeah, I don't, I never like it when I agree with Alex about like a conclusion and then he explains why he believes something like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, god, damn it. You're one, you're, you're, you're a couple levels off from why this is wrong. Yeah, but I mean, that's his, that's the same reaction that they have to the sixth. That's the same reaction as the sixth. Like this was a bad idea because we didn't do it at the right time. Yeah, we didn't succeed. So it was a bad and nobody who truly believed in our cause would have done this.

Therefore it was fake. Exactly. Nobody who truly believes in the anti-abortion stuff that we're making great progress with would blow it up because it's a bad optical, bad tactical decision. Therefore the globalists did it. Very dumb. So Alex, I just, I gotta say he's pushing this road to tyranny clip, this specific clip so hard. It's up to you. Take the road to tyranny. Last comment, we have FEMA to a group of police on video saying Christians, the founding fathers, homeschoolers, gun owners, defenders of the US constitution or terrorist. It's, it's incessant at this point. It seems like something that he's completely enamored with at this point. I think it's a good thing. Well, I mean, I think it's a 100% evil thing, but it's a good

thing for him to suddenly be putting everybody on the terrorist side. Even if he did do it, which he didn't. We all know that it was the ATF who did it. He didn't do it. But if he did do it, you know that you need to be on his side because they're claiming that all of us are terrorists. So it doesn't even matter if he is or isn't a terrorist. They're saying we're all terrorists. So we should be on his side. Sort of. I think the argument goes more like this. They were saying that all of us were terrorists right in order to make it easier for them to say that this guy did it because he fit some of the descriptions right that they were were referring to as possible indicators of membership in fringe communities. Well,

since you since you've restated it, I mean that's airtight. Yeah, nothing I can say to that amazing how all of these like like just long term plans, these evil doers have have engaged in that don't work. They never work out. Yeah, it's almost like they're bad plans thought up by a moron almost. Yeah. So Alex will not stop talking about that clip from his movie. But there's another thing that happened that he keeps forgetting to put in movies. And there was only 10 black block in Austin. They run over they say, we are going to kill you. They said, I was bullhorning if they were working with two cops that were controlling them that were in black ski mask. I got the media said we've got cops

provocaturing a fight. We've got cops provocaturing violence. Cops ran across the street, pulled out their undercover guys, then their anarchist came over, this redhead said, I'm going to kill you. I said, you see the FBI of most buildings, those are your bosses, they said, yeah, they are, we're taking over. Man, they told me we work for the fed, they said, they were so angry about the takeover. And I saw it right there. I faced evil. I faced government provocateurs. Man, I always forget to put that in a film. Man, always, always forget to put that in a film. I love that. It's almost like it happened. Totally 100% did. Yeah, and exactly how I'm describing it. Exactly how I'm describing it. I always forget to put the thing that would have

really proved my point perfectly into that film. That kind of disappoints me because now were I to go watch Road to tyranny? I know that that clip isn't in there. I want No, it's not. Alex is promoting that film so hard on this episode. He's really peaked my interest. Yeah. Boy, I wish that clip was in there. Like it's like a trailer for a film that was reshot. All these scenes weren't in the movie. What? I would guess that if this thing did happen, it was people fucking with him, as is almost always the case with any scandalous video that he gets on the streets. I despise. I despise sometimes going back and remembering how anti cop these people were and how like it boggles my mind how the cops have no idea that the people

who are most likely to have blue lives matter flags are the people most likely to murder cops if they come to their door on the wrong day. Like, isn't that wild? Yep, it certainly is bananas. Yeah, goddamn fascists. So we, you know, the rest of this episode is Alex talking to this these these folks about about their their nurse who wanted to take their baby, their firstborn child for a ritual or something. I don't know. And I just I couldn't I couldn't make sense of it. Like I was I was trying to could not make sense of it. And I guess, you know, like I've just not, you know, I'm not a hundred percent right now. And so it was it was tough for me to get another episode in 2003. And so this is this is it. You know what bums me out about that call?

What's that? If you are afraid of them saying we don't want your money. We want your firstborn child. Doesn't that suggest you think there was a possibility that they could have pulled it off? Like they could have taken the kid. But I think that people like Alex do believe that happens all the time. That's true. That's true. They wouldn't be like, hey, you'd have to get through all these places. There's you can call somebody. The cops will show up if they stole your baby. No, no. I think it's just a yoink situation. Is that what they think? Yeah, you could even call the insurance company. The insurance company would go after them. The insurance company wants their money more than they want the baby yoink. I believe that you have not provided a rebuttal to the

yoink argument. That's true. The yoink argument would have tough to get around. So the given birth, but the family's not in the room. They're not allowed anywhere near the hospital. So they're going to yoink, disappear. Are they even going to replace it with a changeling? Are they even going to give them a changeling? An evil stork comes in. Evil stork. So what he does, replaces your baby with a volacic pickle. Ooh, that's brutal. That's an evil fucking stork. I like the idea of it. A stork brings you a baby, but there's a cuckoo stork who's following after him and every now and again just steals a baby. It's the crampus of storks. Yes, it's the crampus of storks. That is something we should scare people with.

Yeah. I feel a little bit bad. I think there's some really terrible timing and unfortunate timing on our part that, you know, I'm not feeling well around the same time that you're taking off, but, uh, you know, it is what it is. Yeah, we'll be back. Um, indeed we will. Yep. Until then, I guess we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. Where's on, uh, Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge. I'm just gonna fight that good. Go to bed. Jordan was on Facebook. We are Facebook and down the show. I could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Darryl. Run this.

And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.