Knowledge Fight - #592: June 12, 2003

Episode Date: September 3, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex Jones follows up having an interview with a guy about what it's like to go to heaven.  Apparently the only fitting follow up is talking about Monkeypox and allowing a guest to recommend listeners get really good with a sniper rifle.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys shang we are the bad guys knowledge fight dan and jord knowledge fight need money andy and kansas andy and kansas stop it andy and kansas andy and kansas andy and kansas it's time to pray andy and kansas you're on the earth thanks for holding so i like the i'm a huge fan i love your word knowledge fight hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight i'm dan i'm jord we're a couple dudes like to sit around worship the altar of selene and talk a little bit about alex jones oh indeed we are dan jordan jordan quick question for you yeah what up what's your bright spot today my bright spot

today jordan is something i look i don't know a lot about a lot of things all right i know a lot about some very specific things i know a lot about rara you're a specialist you're not a not a generalist really you know yeah there's a lot of things that i'm unaware of and i believe is on our last episode i mentioned that i was starting to play like a deck of building game yes indeed and the audience reached out and said boy you should try magic the gathering because there's a way you can play it on a computer yeah which i didn't know yeah i was unaware of that yeah me too i didn't know that thing existed and i started i gave it a try and um goodbye yeah you roped me into this shit to you dick wad it's been you know like it's been

a couple days of like you know dabbling around sure on it i don't really know what i'm doing exactly sure i wasn't allowed to play when i was a kid because it was demonic um but it's scratching a lot of itches it's scratching a lot of itches of the like card collecting the sort of bizarre magical things of course of course creatures teen rules you love Byzantine rules it's basically like logic puzzles yes it is in a game form because there's so many conditional things about like you can only play this if and only if these conditions are met yeah it's it it does tickle that a little bit yeah and then also like there are creatures like owl bears yes of course the fuck is an owl bear it's like uh it's like if chess had more imagination and you didn't

know what the other player had yeah whatever you started yeah and and it also is really making me feel a little bit of like this reclaimed stuff from when i was younger this stuff that i wasn't allowed to play and then and you know it makes me realize that i was also the one who decided to accept that rule when i was younger you know my parents said i couldn't play it but i could have been more rebellious and sure gone gone into this and i kind of you know playing it now i kind of wish i had yeah it's really cool that it could be online it doesn't make a mess in my house with a ton of poop yeah that could yeah that could be real trouble um considering considering the number of magic the gathering cards there are if you got too into it this whole place would be fucked it's over

yeah uh yeah so i'm i'm enjoying it quite a bit i'm trying to keep even keel on it so i don't lose myself into the uh the world right right of playing that i'm struggling we played one match after i tried to make through and you murdered me so bad that now i'm like in the back of my head i'm like don't get too into it it's not that big a deal i'm never there's a part of me that's like the next time you play dan you better beat the shit out of him or your dad's never gonna love you i'm never gonna play you again just so you can't can't ever get that win back just so my dad will never appreciate me yeah um but yeah it's it's great and i appreciate the people who recommended that and let me to basically inform me that it exists because i had no idea well done yeah

what's your bright spot uh my bright spot it could be i could go with that because i of course have begun dabbling as well uh but instead i am going to go with the underspoken about album uh that has just been released that's very good is church's church's new album fantastic oh that's very very good i'll have to check that out i do like them quite a bit a couple of standouts and then you got robert smith geston what being a sad boy for yeah since and sad boys that's what you should have named the album sad boy summer exactly that's what we're doing now uh also while we're on the topic of new albums uh our boy i9 the rapper i9 is a new album called a little above low key yes that's uh out that i enjoy quite a bit yeah i enjoyed it a lot i haven't had a chance to

like uh listen to it enough to like fully digest and have have strong opinions sure but i enjoyed it okay um and people should go check that out it's available on right so spotify go find i9 all over the place go find him um so jordan today we have an episode where we're going to go back into the past again we're back in 2003 again yeah and part of the reason is i just needed to put alex on time out and while i was doing that i just i felt like i was falling down a mountain like just like or a staircase where i'm just hitting a stair over and over like just constantly thump thump thump yeah trying to prepare this episode was uh not super fun because i look honest to god i didn't sign up to do an anti-vax podcast that is the one thing that i really didn't want

this podcast to be yeah i didn't i didn't sign up when we started doing the show to talk about bizarre and stupid conspiracies about vaccination every single uh go around yeah otherwise i would have started a podcast about like uh robert kennedy jr or something sure sure you know and so i just a lot of present day stuff is a bummer and so i was trying to find anything that could be another angle and i came up with a pretty uh decent angle that i thought would be teachable and interesting and that is to go over an episode of somebody else talking about alex interesting interesting okay so all right the ways that you you can highlight uh on awareness that other people have when they comment on alex right right right right you can see the transparent uh the ways in which

they've fallen for the tricks that alex employs right um this is an evolution of our how not to cover alex jones series gotcha yes and so i wanted to do that i put a bit of time into preparing something and then i just couldn't get over the hurdle of feeling like i'm being a huge asshole to these people it does really feel like before you even said it i was like oh no we're going to be dicks to these people i don't want to be mean it's kind of impossible to do that without putting a specific person on blast yeah who maybe is uh certainly yeah small youtube channel who are we to give you a performance review exactly i think that there are things that you can learn from it and i think that i need to find a better way to present that information that doesn't

involve kicking some small youtube channel because it just feels dirty and gross we got a we got to do some blind quotes or something i don't know i don't know so that that was a time sink yeah for me and then of course all my all my efforts and everything get interrupted by joe rogan getting fucking coveted what a fucking idiot yeah so alex was pretty thrilled that joe rogan got coveted and of course he was he cured himself with iver mekton yeah that sounds about like how it went uh yeah i think that people are really missing the forest for the trees on that story when they're reporting that he took iver mekton uh because he says a laundry list of things he took yeah he said he threw the kitchen sink at it yeah took z-pack yep monoclonal

antibodies um all sorts of prednisone so he he was taking tons and tons of stuff and so let's say that any of that helped that's not proof that the iver mekton helped at all no no no i think that's the fun thing about science is that you can't draw a conclusion unless you have isolated the variables if they were did if they were gonna do like a study and they were like let's just give this group a bunch of shit and then let's say give this group a bunch of different shit that would not have learned anything from that no it would just be two different groups of shit that's it we can maybe make some wild speculation about these different piles of shit we give these people it looks like this pile of shit is better than that pile of shit sure but maybe when we do it again

it'll just be a different pile of shit well and you know so like he's he's saying he took all this stuff and one of the things was iver mekton and it just made me think of like okay yeah i had an infection so i took like some antibiotics and also a gummy bears yeah and so the gummy bears gummy bears probably cured you yeah yeah totally yeah that sounds about right so i i don't know see now this is why this what what what we missed was a real opportunity to find out if hallucinogenics would cure covid that's our control experiment for this if joe rogan gets covid he doesn't get to take any regular medication he doesn't get any regular just shrooms that's what he's for isolating the variables if only he had a commitment to the public health and to science exactly that's

what we're here for yeah but i will say that when i was uh uh you know trying to prepare an episode and i see a headline joe rogan has covid i thought whoo whoo whoo whoo whoo help here we go didn't see this covered that's today all right so i'm sure they'll learn a lot from this and everything will be fine uh and i have no interest in this the most sarcastic and devastating thing you can say to somebody now is dismissing them by just saying i'm sure they'll learn about this yeah yeah that's not happening i'm sure next time this will go a lot smoother this will be a lesson uh huh and so all this all this world together and we are left with june 12th 2003 i like june 12th 2003 and as as you may recall on our last episode in 2003 alex interviewed a guy who

went to heaven yes that is the day before this correct so now he's back to be in real serious the day before the day we're about to speak of we had a very serious calm and just honest discussion about what was in the waiting room to heaven yes and alex allowed a guest to discuss how it's your snitch of an imaginary friend that you had from childhood right and he did not push back on this right now so that means that i'm assuming that today i will be taking him very seriously when he complains that the bath party is still in charge of iraq correct i will say that there are no updates on the bath party things are going exactly as they have been uh on that front but before we get down to business on this let's take a little moment say thanks and hello to some

walks oh that's great so first reverend dr rowdy carsick thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much rdrc okay okay um thank you uh knowledge fights opening arguments have me talk her down thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much uh next andrew fake last name thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks andrew thank you next lizz is not a policy wonk but she plays one on patreon thank you so much you're now a policy wonk on i'm a policy wonk now you play one all right all right okay thank you lizz yeah and we got a technocrat out there to say what up to so ross d thank you so much you and i owe a technocrat i'm a policy wonk crikey mate that's fantastic have yourself a brew how's

your 401k doing bro all right we got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson all right let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that heroin why are you pimp so good my neck is freakishly large i declare info war on you thank you so much yes thank you very much also i'd like to welcome to the family of saline on behalf of matthew who brought brought a tree kangaroo into the mix a tree kangaroo i did not even know that was a type of kangaroo are they in the tree or are the is it a type of tree uh depends on if it's the animal or the magic card that's a tree guru completely different yes yeah um so like i said we're starting here on the day after alex talks about going to heaven all right um and i mean i guess he's gotten back to earth now

okay u.s can't rule out north korean strike rumsfeld advisor says this from Reuters they say that yes we leaked the battle plan two months ago to invade north korea this october my this is an under reported story preparing massing troops pulling them back from the border with north korea uh massing ships and aircraft carriers and aircraft will be discussing this when we get back in the next segment so alex is pretty preoccupied with the idea that we're gonna go uh start a fight with north korea yeah at this point yeah he's he's saying that this leaked leaking of the battle plan is an attempt to get them to attack us so we can have a war with them yeah i'd like to point out that none of this uh none of this ended up it didn't wind up happening

no it didn't no but that was the plan right and i think that there's a decent chance that because alex covered it on his show he averted this from happening i mean i didn't hear anybody else talking about it at the time so i can safely assume that none of them stopped it by talking about it yeah it had to have been all alex is doing it had to have been just the world once again just him by himself but so this this is a little bit uh you know i guess fear mongry a little bit uh putting putting more into the the idea that we're going to go to war in north korea then is actually there um scaring the audience a little but at least it's kind like it's on earth i i mean i think this is a problem about when you introduce somebody who has been to heaven and then the next day

you're talking about war with north korea all i want to know is what does my imaginary friend think about war with north korea because he's the one who's going to be keeping track of how i failed whenever i go to heaven why are we talking about i think your imaginary friend is against it well then i can't go to war now can i guess you can yeah yeah i also think that there's a big difference between uh someone being like we're going to war and someone saying like all options are on the table yeah and when it's like rumsfeld's assistant or whatever saying that's like i don't i don't know if this is an under reported story i think the fact that anybody has reported on it means it's a reported story correctly reported story yeah so uh we got uh on last time too along with heaven

we got a little dose of monkeypox yes we did and this is a preoccupation of alex okay so monkey pox stays oh my god heaven goes but monkey pox stays he talks about monkey pox so much okay and you knew this was going to happen i said this on monday with the monkey pox i said watch they're going to claim that the smallpox shot will help you with the monkey pox and they couldn't get the public to take it 99 plus of the medical workers firemen police officers refuse the smallpox shot but now they say monkey pox might spread everywhere it's now up to 60 something cases and well you just might have to have that smallpox shot after all so there was no attempt or initiation or a program launched to try and get the general public vaccinated for smallpox in response to monkey pox

they should have used jeff foxworthy because monkey fox wow that's not bad well you just might need a vaccine yeah yeah the cdc advised that a very limited set of people get the smallpox vaccine during this 2003 monkey pox outbreak these people included people who investigated the monkey pox cases people who were in close contact with patients who got it and people who had direct physical contact with an infected animal the only way to make this look like an attempt to scare the masses of the public into getting a smallpox vaccine is by completely lying about the details of the story and exaggerating things ridiculously which is what alex is doing yeah if your warning is like hey have you been around anybody with monkey pox recently or an infected animal then

get a vaccine if not you're fine keep going keep going about your day yep that's not scare mongering nope that's just like regular hey hey there's a flood around if you're nearby where the flood is happening you got to stay aware or you got to stay aware yeah it's it's doing the least that you can to help people make uh good choices yep um so alex has said this this the narrative the beginning of it is the 99.999 percent of folks rejected the smallpox vaccine sure and that's why they needed to do the SARS and they needed to do the monkey pox order to scare people in order to get this vaccine right presumably which would then kill them or something i suppose i guess yeah same thing he's doing with the covid vaccine now but just transplanted to the past yeah history repeats

itself yeah and uh one of the interesting things that i've learned on this episode is that alex made up that stat that sounds right i know i talk about this a lot because it's such good news that in Connecticut one article talked about they ordered 20 000 healthcare workers and police to show up to get shots in a two-day period four people showed up so again i haven't done the specific math but if you've got 20 000 people and four people show up to get the shot uh in one state Connecticut and that's 99.999 something uh if you've got uh the 10 largest cities with millions they wanted to vaccinate uh with the medical workers the firemen the police all these millions of people in the 10 largest cities uh well they refused 296 did it so somebody can calculate the

math on this this is not how stats work and all alex is saying is that he made up that number that he saw he says the rate of vaccine refusal yep 100 again this was only a plan to vaccinate a total of a million people half of whom were in the military and the other half who were frontline workers like at hospitals and such over 500 000 soldiers did get vaccinated but in terms of civilians only 39 213 got uh got the facts alex is just taking stray numbers that he saw and like who knows what local news outlet presumably about low turnout at a specific vaccine station and then he's extrapolating those numbers to be representative of the entire story no one with an actual vested interest in reporting stories accurately would engage with statistics this

way because it's just meaningless wait 500 000 military members got the vaccine yeah oh well then everything that alex said is pointless and stupid right they're fine they all got the vaccine they're all fine so why is he saying all this other shit there was 500 000 people who got the vaccine that 99.99 answer doesn't make any sense because half of them got it no i know but you but if you just like read a local news article out of connecticut and you see that there was low turnout at one place and then you try and do that math on on and you know you just use that fraction that percentage oh if in the next five years everybody dies of monkeypox i'm going to be real mad at the military i i think the odds of that are low um so yeah look the the

thing you need to understand about the world and information please tell me there's so much well here's the thing everything just so much everything that you hear about uh you only hear about because the globalist want you to hear about oh that's scary information to know yeah yeah yeah if they didn't want you to know about the monkeypox outbreak you never know about okay okay while i'm bringing this up with with with monkeypox and all the rest of this if the centers for disease control doesn't want you to know about an outbreak you won't know about it it'll be in a medical journal a year later okay that's what the gatekeepers the editors and people do they get calls all the time and get told to shut up to not talk to the press the am i'll call people the board of directors

of hospitals and they didn't want you to know about this this uh this monkeypox you wouldn't know about it they're doing this to fair monger and saying maybe everybody needs to take the smallpox shot so they'll be safe so they don't want you to know about something you won't i just think that this is a dumb way to engage with it like uh with information yeah yeah everything that they tell you is curated and it must be deceit i suppose that's easier to i i suppose that's an easier thing to come to or an easier conclusion in like 2003 you know when it's not the monoculture it's not like you've only got the four channels or whatever but now if somebody said that you the only information you get is curated you'd be like dude i i got information coming from everywhere always all

the time and it doesn't matter joe rogan has coven it doesn't matter it's coming from everywhere it doesn't matter if it's true or if it's false if they want me to know if they don't want me to know it's all of it but i think that some of that was true in 2003 too for sure i mean the internet was obviously not as uh bad as it is now but there were there were elements of that and i think that like if you're just gonna say that you know even with just like the news channels the mainstream legacy news channels sure if you want to say that everything that they are covering ever is highly curated because it's what they want you to be aware of or whatever that's just a lazy way of abdicating your responsibility to like engage with news yeah and figure out like uh what uh

it like because yeah sure there are some things that are probably like sponsored content or or whatever but you you know you can have a responsibility to to dig through and figure out what's what yeah and it's also a good way of saying um you can only trust me never trust anyone else ever about anything especially if they tell you not to trust me because again i'm the only person you can trust they're lying to you so if they point out all of these things that i lied or that i didn't actually know anybody who went to heaven all of that bullshit you know you can't trust them that's what they want you to know and what i want you to know is not that it's different it's that craig went to heaven that's why they're gonna shut me down and i need your money yeah

my imaginary friend is broke i think i got that one yeah my imaginary friends imaginary car as uh is a blue a fuse i would love to pay him back but i owe him 20 bucks so man we're all screwed here this it's a just a mountain of debt he's got a imaginary loan shark he's got to deal with it's brutal that guy's not who you want to see in heaven the imaginary loan shark you you do not want to fuck with that no if i if a loan shark made it into heaven he's too good well every like loan sharks are somebody's friend so imaginary loan sharks must be somebody's imaginary friend it's true you know it's true it's a real sad day yeah that's a real sad day-to-day life of the imaginary loan shark friend but what if like

you're a child in the mafia or something like that you might have an imaginary loan shark yeah because you look because when you're a kid you look up to your father it doesn't matter if your father is a brutal loan shark running protection records that's not what's important yeah what's important is that he's your dad so i think we have some bad predictions so far okay monkey pox seems like a much bigger deal to alex than the rest of the world true the somehow he's thinking that's going to be used to give everyone smallpox vaccines it's not that makes sense the nuclear war with north korea thing is any moment now yeah so also apparently the draft is coming back okay also i'm mr rumsfeld says that he

wants to go ahead and invade iran and wants to have a preemptive strike on north korea and yes they've got a national draft lined up for you and your family and you'll be all for it after the globalist launched a couple more uh terrorist attacks to get you all prepared for that so they can pose as your savior during that process that was really condescending for something that is yeah totally not accurate love that smug tone yeah oh boy shout out to everybody who thinks alex is right about everything so alex takes some calls on this episode nobody has been to heaven i will say that but alex does have erin zelman the guy who runs jews for the preservation of firearms ownership sure sure the more extreme version of the nra that alex supports at this

point right right quite anti nra right in 2003 but he's in favor of this organization and then gun owners of america right um but before erin zelman shows up alex takes a call and man this call is so funny in 2021 larry you're on the air go ahead alex i heard you talking about uh oh with craig roberts yesterday and uh i think that was a very good topic even though some might consider that ethereal it's important to know that you do have to do something even if the odds look like they're against you was the way i read the bible you know we may not win this especially if we don't wake up enough people up but you got to know that even though the odds are against you you still got to defend your family you still have to try because you are going to answer for what you do um i also

wanted to thank you for staying pretty much on topic uh there's a lot of hosts that are letting topics of aliens and you know a million chinese robotoids come across the air and it's important to maintain credibility and not let uh patriots look like idiots through these kind of topics that are getting in well that's done to discredit wider topics they'll mix things in that can't be proven that's it i want to thank you oh really they'll mix in things that can't be proven like your imaginary friend is waiting for you to snitch when you get to heaven man that clip really fucks me up yeah i don't know who's i don't know maybe i'm dumb maybe i'm dumb listening to that clip because they won uh huh well i think i think it's a powerful delusion that that's being uh

mutually reinforced yeah uh and that that it that clip is funny uh the day after he talks to someone who went to heaven yeah and then it's also funny considering where he's become like with the type of shit that alex covers now yeah like he in the past would look at his show like if you modulated the voice of alex's show in the present day so he couldn't tell it was him yeah he might not even be able to tell his voice his voice is a bit different but whatever you you put it through some sort of a a pitch adjuster uh you play it for him he'd be like this person's trying to make the patriots look terrible yep he would hate himself 100 would be like this guy is fucking killing the movement yeah destroying alex in the present would be the perfect foil for

alex in the past yeah but i mean i feel like alex in the present would have a pretty unbeatable argument which is just like look at how stupid that guy is what he was saying is tone it down so you can be credible in the real world what one was going as far and as hard and as loud as humanly possible that does seem to be true maybe i i feel like maybe that guy's an idiot i mean i know he's an idiot there we go i know he's still an idiot but uh yeah i was looking in the mirror when i said that i think i might be the dumb one here it's it's it's strange it's really it's really strange because it seems like he's making a really reasonable point but it's something that that's a point that alex makes about like the what he was trying to differentiate himself from like

david ike totally like that's what you would say about him back in the day yeah and now they're best friends yeah sort of i guess it's just a timing thing you know do go crazy at the right time yeah don't be david i can go crazy too soon when the going gets weird the weird turn pro exactly as huntress thompson that's what you got to do yep you gotta and when trump is running for president uh the going is getting weird correct yeah when he wins it's all over mm-hmm so uh erin zellman comes in and uh i i don't know in as much as somebody just like wants to people to be allowed to own guns fine sure uh but he troubles me in other ways okay well my advice to americans frankly is that uh you're not gonna be able to stop this you're gonna have to fight it and my advice

to americans is to master long range rifles i hope i have to peel that onion anymore for people but it's about the last one they're gonna have is mastering the use of a long range rifle and you can take your ak-47 throw in the fireplace gonna be useless you gotta learn how to master long range rifles because you're gonna have to deal with it on that level if this cancer spreads on that level so severe what we have no choice holy shit on that level so yeah erin zellman's coming in and he's like you guys learn to fucking use a sniper rifle hey if this goes south and it's going to you're gonna have to be on a rooftop shooting everybody frankly why are you even saying sniper rifle you don't need a scope

holy shit ammo yeah that's upsetting yeah that's not great i i do think that there's a little bit of a a little bit of a showing your cards a tiny bit when you say i hope i don't have to peel that onion anymore if i say what i think they'll think i'm going to commit a crime man all i really want is to imply heavily that everyone else should commit a crime i'm not going to do it it's about implying exactly come on um so but like you know you gotta get capable with a sniper rifle and and part of the reason is because everybody the cops everybody's out of control the state is out of fucking society look like if everybody's good with a sniper how do you go how do you go into a fucking store somebody's got a bead on you yeah

i know it'd be really dangerous to use instacart your shit's not going to show up yeah i mean i guess then like elaborate body armor suits might become more popular it would have to be a it would turn into a defensive arms race again yeah yeah we turn we'd get max turn anime instantaneously i love it or conversely uh underground tunnels oh i do like a good underground tunnel we might become the more locks if alex and his buddies you're going to become the more locks because they get the long rifles i mean you got to do something that's fair yeah um that's a good rewriting of the time machine so look there's a reason for getting into sniping and it's because like i said the state and the government are out of

control sure as evidenced by this third hand story that erin zelman wants to tell this morning i was talking to somebody who lives in the new york area and they said that someone got a uh was leaning on a fire hydrant the other day and they got a ticket for loitering uh i mean i wasn't there i didn't see it but i just have to assume the person you know this is telling me exactly what happened but this is this is almost the situation let's just see how far we can push the envelope is this the best example you have i mean listen i think it's bullshit criminalizing just hanging around is a good way to destroy the poor no i i know what you do i don't disagree i i do think is this evidence everybody needs a long rifle probably not probably not i also don't know if

this story happened as it's being told the loitering charge may have been related to something else that happened there might have been an incident entirely possible it could be completely made up by this person that erin zelman was talking to there's a hundred like why why are you even bringing this up why does this rank there we go this is so dumb yeah yeah now see again i i think it's wrong and i'm sure regardless of whether or not this story is exactly true let's go with i mean if you were not a racist you might just go with the stop and frisk policy sure instead of even bothering with a third hand story from some asshole who doesn't know any details who may have been loitering and you have to admit i just have to take their word for it i don't know what happened

word for it we've got data backing up stop being wrong how impactful does erin zelman expect something like that to be right like is it really like i am not convinced that the government is out of control based on this story now imagine this right so you are hanging out on a hydrant and a cop comes up to you and he's like hey you can't loiter here and you're like no i can absolutely loiter here and he gives you a ticket right your long rifle is not going to do much in that situation you don't have the speed it's too close yeah that's that what's the point of a long rifle if this is your example of how we have to fight back against erin it's true one time you want a snub nose for this type of problem one time i was skateboarding around and i jumped up onto a hydrant and i spun

around like a like a just a wee like a top on it and a cop punched me and i fell over the police are out of control they are out of control this was in a video game this is in tony hawk i think that's a good call i would tell erin zelman about it and he's going to tell alex oh boy um so yeah alex has this thought about the drug war and it gets interesting because the more long rifles plenty of them um the more i learn about alex's positions about things that i in theory thought i agreed with him about the more convinced i am that i'm not i don't really actually agree with him that much and the drug war and and like legalization of drugs i think is one of them yeah laudham opium was sold by the bottle at drug stores and you had uh less drug abuse then than you do

today they ship it in make it illegal to jack the prices up it then gives it a fashionable look for low-level drug dealers and your daughters become crack horse you must decriminalize now that's what i have to say about the drug war i don't feel like i agree with him and i don't feel like this is the way i understood his position yeah i would say the reason that i the the place i've come to with never agreeing with alex about anything about anything ever is because no matter what it is his position is what i know now is that all of his positions have conditions that can change on his whim and only his win that's true so whatever it is he thinks his position is or is presenting his position as given the opportunity to do something about it he would change the conditions to whatever

it is he wanted them to be and it'd be bullshit yeah yeah i think i think you're right on that count i think that you know decriminalization is something that's really important because you know many drug issues should be dealt with as medical issues right this is something that's not necessarily a punitive approach is i don't know if it has the best chance for for helping people right i suppose what it has the best chance of doing is um creating more slaves for california to use to fight their fires and i don't i don't i don't know if a primary motivation for wanting drug legalization to happen is because the globalists make money on drugs that to me is empty that one's a little bit meaningless yeah yeah that's what happens when

you reduce everything down to capital isn't it i guess the wrong people i need to choose as a consumer to not let all of these millions of people get fucked over forever uh but that's only because the wrong people make money off of it if i was making money off of the drug war yeah of course we're having the drug war come on what are you talking about so uh there's a caller that calls in and uh he wants to know why erin zellman is uh telling people that they need to get sniper rifles i do too yeah yeah this made me really unpeel this onion sir this made me so uncomfortable yeah erin i was wondering why would you recommend them being able to shoot long range do you do you know about the weapons that they that we're gonna be facing well that's part of it

you know you want to be uh as far away from the enemy as you can can you tell me why uh sir i think you know why from history thanks for the call tom appreciate it whoa sir sir we're not going to say go kill people sir yeah you know that's what we mean you you know that the answer is you can't get close to high profile people that we would want you to target exactly the quote unquote globalists yeah yeah um yeah that's fucked up i mean what he might as well have said is uh you think kennedy is getting his head blown off with a short rifle you know seems unlikely um alex later then goes on to be like you know obviously he's talking what zellman's talking about is uh you know like chinese troops landing sure in a land invasion sure a sniper rifle would not be helpful

against a land invasion i mean we all right china is storming our beaches what are we gonna do all right we're gonna line the border with 10 million people with sniper rifles fire whenever you feel like it good strategies zellman let's go back to the revolutionary war so i i feel like um in the same way i've become a little bit disillusioned with alex's uh you know is is what would seem to be uh an agreement in terms of uh drug policy i think i feel like uh i've also become disabused of the notion that he and i actually agreed about bush either i think that he was using george bush as a bit of a political tool way well by not being a hypocrite and exposing the corruption of bush liberals tune in they get converted to being constitutionalist

and they go out and buy guns and realize the new world order scam have you found that we're able to deprogram liberals to understand if we're just honest and aren't hypocritical and we'll expose the corruption of the republicans as well well i think it goes hand in hand i don't know if you're going to reprogram anybody but i think they do get to take a different look at you and become more tolerant absolutely erin zellman godspeed and take care of my friend okay you too alex we'll see you buddy we'll see you buddy yeah so it's only the liberals that need deprogramming sure and you're able to achieve this by appearing sane by criticizing bush so what you're doing is essentially trying to gain credibility for your extreme right-wing positions by throwing the middle right

under the bus right that's what you're doing right you're trying to appeal and and seem reasonable yeah i mean that's what he's doing now with uh the big box churches kind of thing you know he's he's throwing the uh mainstream christianity glitter bug churches glitter bug churches throwing them under the look that that kind of bullshit that's not christianity uh huh yeah you guys believe in all this nonsense we're waking up all these liberal christians to killing everybody we don't like that's great yeah it's it just seems like an intentional strategy yeah it is absolutely an intentional strategy and i think i think part of that might be because i maybe he doesn't have much hope of actually converting all that many bush fans or like

neo-conservative leaning people maybe maybe maybe he's aware of that they're like that that's not uh that's not a fruitful pawn for him to fish in yeah i mean that's i guess i guess and that was born out because they came to him you know he didn't he never convinced neo cons to love him all of a sudden they just started going fucking crazy and then he was there for him yeah he was ready and waiting for those dumb dumb dumb people to show up at his door the tea party and then trump eroded everything to the point where alex is normal he's like a fucking bilbo hobbit situation with bjorn a bunch of dwarfs showing up one at a goddamn time can't stop them dad sorry that's a weird hobbit reference for no reason sure yeah it got there so alex takes another call from a guy

and this uh this fellow would like alex to speak at the university of austin at uh the u t texas austin that'd be an interesting day yeah i'm gonna tell you that the booking doesn't seem likely for me it doesn't seem like he's gonna get that booking but there are some conditions upon which he would accept them and i've watched the symposiums at ut on cable the gnome chomsky's the professor's the rest of them and it's all a phony left-wing paradigm i do need to come talk to ut and if they invite me to talk to a big enough crowd i'll come do it i've actually spoken at ut twice before wow wow like into a bullhorn i was gonna say that's a very big tip i've spoken at ut twice before so have i i've visited my dad's office and i said hi to somebody yeah i've walked around and said

hey i've spoken at ut yeah um i i would say go fuck yourself with this if ut gets me a big enough crowd i'll show up you went to kansas city to do like an opening of a tire store he went later on you go to a radio station you'd fly across the country to open a grocery store yeah fuck you not even open a grocery store yeah he was just going there because they didn't like masks bunch of dog yeah oh boy you if ut got him two people if you take out of a fucking sandwich yeah yeah so uh there's more calls most of the rest of the show is calls and so there's actually you know not a whole lot of meat left on these bones um but i don't know if i like that less or more than now because it seems like he doesn't take

too many calls now yeah it's it's not as uh he talks about taking calls now yeah yeah a bit a bit and then it often doesn't happen um and then also he has like just the same people calling yeah in the present like this guy carlos calls in all the time pretty much every time the phone lines are open that dude will get in there that guy's there yeah and it makes me wonder if like there are just a few people who call yeah um i don't know i i really have no idea and i think that in terms of my listening enjoyment i prefer it like this in 2003 because it feels like a radio show that's that's what i was thinking i was thinking that about this from like a purely enjoyable standpoint i prefer being in the past and these callers are are some of them suck and they're boring yeah but

it's still like at least there is like this input of the the listeners and alex has to say yes and with them it's got a little bit of a ramshackle charm to it it does it does i and i don't know if i would like that now though because i don't know if i would be able to handle what the callers would say now yeah you know like back then the closest we got was that guy being like hey what do you what do you think i should use this wrong long rifle for that was right now if somebody called in i feel like they'd be like no no no i didn't ask you what should i use it for i said who yeah who do you want me to kill with this rifle you know like i i don't want to live there yeah yeah i think i think you're right i think that uh if i were alex i would be aware that it

might not be a good idea to trust a lot of the audience with an open phone yeah that could be that could be rough yeah uh but then again if i were alex i probably wouldn't trust most of the people he has on his guests to speak that is a really good point that's a really good point um so this caller oh boy uh i mean obviously this is a sovereign citizen sure which there were a lot more of them in alex's audience at this point yeah i would say you know i mean i i'm not like alex i don't just make up statistics but i would say 99.99999 percent of his callers are sovereign citizens okay that sounds about right so about four out of 20 000 give or take um this person believes this lady she believes yes that according to god and the constitution she

does not need a driver's license okay because all right her husband owns the car and he gave her permission to use it which makes sense uh shila in mozura shila you're on the air go ahead alex how are you today i'm pretty good shila how are you well being followed uh monday i took a trip to town and i was pulled over by a state trooper he was doing his uh i don't know what he never gave me an explanation he was just pulling people over he was standing in the middle of the highway and asking to see their driver's license so he had a gentleman on the one on the other side of me looking at his license and he told me to give him my license and i said no sir i do not have one first mistake so he told me to pull over to the side of the road and i did

he came back to me and he noticed that my son and i both had our seatbelt on and he said you want to tell me why you don't have a license and i said yes sir i believe in the constitution of the united states and i also believe in the bible my husband owns this truck he gives me permission to drive it so therefore unless he tells me to get a driver's license and until you show me where the constitution of the united states says that i have to have a driver's license or a license at all to operate something that my husband owns and gives me permission to use then i'll go get one okay you laughed at me you don't say and the funny thing about this story is that it ends up with the cop letting her go with a warning get the fuck out of here god damn it and she's actually

i think she's totally right but in the wrong way yeah like she says that um like she probably wouldn't have been treated this way if she didn't have her kid with her in the car right she's saying that she would have gotten roughed up and like uh to you know beaten up for being a patriot sure the cops are mad about this kind of thing sure but i think she probably was treated differently because she had a young child in the car and the guy probably was just like this is this is gonna really fuck up their day i'm just gonna let this go no oh yeah you know like get your kid home yeah or but yeah i would i would suspect that it's like this is gonna be too much insanity to try and beat through what's the what's what's going on here whatever no if she calls in to alex's show to

tell this nonsensical story about how his law if your husband owns the truck and he gives you permission then the constitution says you can drive it without a license and the the cop was nice and let her go and then they demonize him but i wanted to beat her up you know crazy think about i imagine being a cop like whenever you ask people tell me why you do this you don't want to hear him say like no i'm not gonna tell you because you're like that's gonna be a lot of work but if you hear him say yes i would love to tell you why you're like this is some sovereign citizenship it's about to happen the only people who and you're like uh do you want to tell me why you don't have a license or like yes i do and the constitution you're like no no go go just go

go get into an accident they pull something they pull down on like the uh the the roof of their car yes there's a screen yeah they have a projector set up yeah and you're like oh god not only will i explain to you why i don't have a license i have a presentation ready to go uh excuse me ma'am you need to understand this question was more rhetorical uh and i have no interest in the answer the problem is you don't have a license just pushes in a tape this presentation is a soundtrack yeah so put a lot of work into this officer and you will listen to it excuse me officer would you be happy to know that i have been waiting just for this exact situation with a lot of props i should warn you um about half an hour in i am gonna open the door uh just to do a little soft

chew yeah there's a tap number in the middle of an intermission we have to have an intermission uh so please don't shoot you can't have a three hour show without an intermission that's just rude yeah i find it really fascinating how many times there are people who call in with horror stories to alex's show about things that are just like they're just being annoying yeah and then the resolution of the story is nothing happened yeah yeah i was bothering somebody and then i didn't receive any consequences for it alex can you believe this world yeah i was being super annoying to a cop who just decided to let me go with a warning man i must call alex about this why why do i because of that i feel like so much of alex's callers with these types of stories

like the unspoken parentheses is and i'm white you know like this type of treatment happens to non whites i can't believe it happened to me i i mean i think a lot of the time there probably is a little bit of that energy but in this case i think it's more just yeah yeah some citizens are different different world yeah yeah so alex gets another caller and this guy wants to know whether or not there was chicanery going on with the 2000 election yes there was it was highly documented oh was there no it was there was a oh man so documented would you believe that there was some fraudulent um some fraudulent activity with the uh with uh with gorg mo bush election mike let me explain this to you i only deal in things i can prove fuck off and i can

speculate very rarely out of i do i'll tell you i'm speculating i know that the military industrial complex let a shadow of a doubt carried out september 11 i know they carry out oklahoma city i know they killed kennedy i know that voter new services took over two weeks after they blew his head off in dallas texas i know that it's had different names i know that voter new services that night announced that al gore was the president okay and they announced that bush was the president and then they announced that al gore was the president and it went back and forth and i studied it and i studied it well they caught democrats in florida one legislator with voting machines in his car cramming the ballots he has an example of republicans cheating to just to be

like above board and make sure that i don't play i i cut it off there because like the rest of the clip rambles on a bit but he does give an example of like cases of republicans he's above the left right paradigm yes of course he is um so i didn't know that a voter new service is behind everything everything they've had different names did he imply that the the the military industrial complex changed their name to voter new service i don't know that was a that was a real grocery list of being wrong about stuff how how is it possible that i've listened to thousands of hours of alex's show this is the first time you've heard it i've never heard him weaving yarns about voter news because they changed their name dad they've had so many names you don't even know what their

name is now i don't even know if it was then they don't exist okay well there's that and they didn't exist at the time of alex's recording this episode that's because they had a different day this is just an exit polling group that was formed so various news entities didn't have to do duplicate work exit polling uh doing the same questions sure they just all have one uniform uh source yeah the organization did such a bad job with the 2000 election however that they were disbanded in january 2003 well before the episode alex is doing right now that we're going over disbanded yes okay i have no idea how voter news service could have taken over after kennedy was killed seeing as they were formed in 1990 also i think that if alex knows that people were stuffing ballots into voting

machines that they had stored in their cars then the answer to the question of whether or not he knows of any fraud going on in that election is yes yeah it's the answer is not a long-winded non-answer about i only know things that i know no you know sometimes when people ask you a yes or no question they are looking for an answer that is yes or no and when the answer is yes because there were people stuffing ballots into voting machines that they had in their cars you can just say yes yeah yeah we're stuffing ballots into voting machines in their car yeah they're just sitting in the car like oh my god i have so many ballots what am i gonna do with all these ballots so i'm so i'm supposed to believe that fraud occurred jordan jordan you get you get in my

car right now i am freaking out i have so many ballots i can't stuff all these ballots in the machines that these people are so bad at stealing an election all of a sudden they're in their cars and they're fucked wait wait what if this is fast 10 this is what we do they're stealing an election yes the ultimate thievery this is the part of this time this is why they went to brazil to steal all that fucking money just to train to steal an election yep and they're going back to space baby yeah uh roman and tej realized they belong out there so peaceful they take their long rifles assassinate elon musk and then steal his fucking rocket go into space in order to steal the next election all right all right we could only steal this election if we have ballot

machines in cars uh called dominic to read a surprise surprise outcome of the 2024 election family is the president what's this it is family wow on the toretto toretto ticket johnzina is the vice yeah i think yes but absolutely definitely related to dominic toretto johnzina yes 100 percent oh boy oh this is good yeah i i i think the voter news service is not the nefarious group that that alex is presenting here i i i don't know what he's trying to insinuate is he insinuating that they killed kennedy or that they just filled the power vacuum after kennedy was killed no idea okay i'd love to learn more i would like to know more about this i wonder if this will come up in other 2003 episodes i wonder if it'll come up again over

the next 20 years oh boy tell you what confusing yeah so um you know the people revolutionaries over history have you know one of the one of the catchphrases that they've used um where's the beef sure yeah each one teach one oh yes of course it's something that gets used you know in order to grow a movement right i am one if they tell you friends then you tell somebody yes if they tell two friends right so alex is talking to somebody who showed his one of alex's documentaries at their church function i believe great um and alex finds the longest-winded way possible to say each one teach one and uh what you need to do now is tell those 28 people to bring one more person and you'll have uh 56 people next time and then tell them to bring 56 more and you'll have a 112 and tell them

to bring 100 are we gonna do this and 12 next time and you'll have 224 and then tell them to bring 224 all right and uh you'll have uh you know the numbers just continue from there yeah it's unbelievable alex yeah 448 yeah i don't know if he realized like this was getting a little long or if he couldn't do that he couldn't do that math yeah yeah he seemed to be doing okay up till that point he was doing pretty good yeah it didn't even seem like it was taking him that long to come to the the multiply by two answer yeah that's pretty good i mean i just think that there's such an easier way to express that oh i mean you a concept that's been around since the beginning of humans trying to uh uh you know congregate yeah i would assume that we would

have figured out a shorter way to say it by now yeah yeah so uh i this next clip i just think is really funny because alex is talking to this guy who played this video one of his documentaries for his church and alex needs to know like how did it go how did it go did i get a standing ovation how did it go so what were the reactions during the film were there any gas but during it yeah i mean there were you fucking you fucking were there any gasps were there any gasps what an overconfident fucking not even like did people like it he went straight to how crazy did people find it did yeah did people gasp how many how many church ladies fainted yeah i was gonna say how many people brought out to their fans and oh my that's like james carabay like hey how did they

how did they like the the new movie did uh anybody get down on their knees and begin to worship me is that uh did no no zero people not even one that's you that's unusual i'm gonna have to call voter news service they're gonna have to get rid of another kennedy for me so maybe one last clip here and it's one of the other big headlines that alex has been hitting and that is that uh the there's been a little bit of a stock market downturn and the united states has lost north america as a whole has lost some millionaires oh um oh no i would like you to think about the way in which alex describes relative wealth okay stock losses contributed heavily to a decline the number of north american millionaires last year even as the world's richest people are you getting richer

according to the new report yeah the little middle class millionaires and that's lower middle class you've got what billion and the family founded a few universities you're kind of mid-level and then if you own the private central banks and print the money and own the military and and you're so powerful people don't even know your name like the crumps and others now you're actually an elitist so that's going on that's that's pretty interesting that's that's his conception also also it's not the crumps it's the clumps yeah starring eddie murphy of course uh yeah that's that's like whenever they're they ask a politician they're like how much does a gallon of milk cost seventy three dollars seven million or four cents i don't know money

isn't real to me anymore and you're like it's really strange that alex in 2003 would have this kind of a perspective i don't know cia dentist dad his family comes from oil money i wouldn't be surprised if he's not uh unfamiliar with the finer things and very unfamiliar with i do believe that alex is uh was a boy of means uh let's say um but i i still think so much of his primary brand is supposed to be like i'm like you yeah you know that that saying saying that having a couple million is being lower middle class is that's inaccurate do you know how many people have a couple of million um that would be the top one percent i mean a lot of but there are a lot of millionaires that is true is that why i mean yeah but even if i remember the numbers correctly

like it is ninety percent of the country does not have anywhere near a million dollars yes so yeah yeah the middle class which you would suggest is somewhere in the median you know they're they're nowhere near a million no middle middle class is going to be you know something in the like hundred thousand dollar a year salary let's hope you know it's going to be in that in that conversation yeah um not a couple million dollars that man at this point oh well a couple million dollars jesus christ yeah what they just don't i just i feel i have no idea they just don't know yeah if you're rich you just have no idea if you're listening to alex in 2003 and you hear that and you're like i make thirty grand a year totally you've got to be like i what am i i'm i'm

so poor if lower middle class is somebody who has millions of dollars jesus jesus christ it's just it's it's very strange yeah and i think it speaks to his brain he's weird he doesn't know how people live nope nope rich people don't um yeah i think that has also about as much connection to reality as the day before when he talked to somebody who had been to heaven yeah that's about true um yeah i like that we're keeping the fantasy element in this show going strong yeah so uh you know we come to the end of this here and we've had a little bit of a ride in 2003 oh well we have alex on time out yes we'll be back to check in on him in the present day on monday but uh i needed i needed a little bit of that that uh stay in the past kind of break

for my own my own well-being oh yeah i'll agree and uh we learned that uh alex and his friends have been trying to enlist sniper cores yeah from for a long time long time people have just been thinking that it's a good idea to get sniper rifles for what's coming um also i think it would be fun if we ever watch another one of alex's films if we just gasp at everything how many gases were there we're gonna count we're gonna fucking keep count there's gonna be a projector screen yeah it's gonna count them down also i'd really like to try um i don't have a car but you do i'd like to get your permission to drive it without a license without a license and then try and get myself pulled over and uh no see here's the problem there one i don't believe in the bible

so that justification is out shit and two i think the constitution is uh bullshit also if i don't have a driver's license i can't have insurance oh yeah there is that yeah anyway we're not going to do this we'll figure it out it's silly permission that is not equal license fine permission granted uh we'll be back but until then jordan river website we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com yeah we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and that go to bed george we're on facebook we're on facebook we're on facebook that will shine so could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing god's work indeed we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx carcum daryl

rundis and now here comes the sex robots andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you