Knowledge Fight - #596: Possibly Too Much Wacky

Episode Date: September 15, 2021

Today, Dan turns heel on the world by digging deeper into wackiness. In this installment, he tells Jordan about an episode of The Jim Bakker Show in order to infuriate him with details about the Court of Heaven.

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Hey everybody . Welcome back to Knowledge Fight . I'm Dan . I'm Jordan . We're a couple dudes . Sit around . Where should we put the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones . Oh indeed we are Dan . Dan . Quick question for you . What's up ? What was your bright spot today ? My bright spot today Jordan is that my watching of survivor continues .

Oh it continues . I've made it to season 31 I think . Oh boy . 32 . Oh boy . The themes verse brawn verse beauty season . Survivor has a couple of themes that they've developed over the course of years . One of them is very interesting and compelling . That is blood versus water .

Where you have people who have to play against their loved ones . Like their wife or their husband or their child . And having people have to like compete in a physical challenge like against their child is nuts . Yeah . Yeah . Yeah . That is very weird . People are crying all over the place . They are . It's interesting . Yeah . It's a compelling twist .

If you have to keep changing this show from what it originally was . At least that's sort of an interesting sociological thing . Sure . Sure . Turn it into a fucking Dostoevsky novel . Yeah . Yeah . Get in there . The first season was just like can you make a hut ? That is a Dostoevsky novel . Yeah . So the other theme is this beauty verse brawn verse brain . So just like what's the most important thing ?

And so you have three tribes . One of them are like beautiful people . One are smart people . One are really strong people . All right . But I find it . What a weird thing to do . I find it to be a really poorly done idea too . Because it's not like the people who are the brawn tribe , the strong tribe . Sure . It's not like they have no mental ability . I mean yeah . It seems like in order for it to truly be fair . All things must be boiled down to a single attribute .

You have only strength . Yeah . Exactly . You can only use strength . Or you can only use beauty . Or you can only use your brains . That type of thing . That seems to me like that would be how you would do that . Yeah . It would have to be . And it doesn't . Otherwise just three groups . They're all pretty attractive people . Yeah . Of course . It's on TV . Yeah . Sure . The beauty tribe is like full of people or maybe models .

Sure . Sure . One of the guys on the brain tribe is like everybody says I look like Obama . Okay . Well then fuck off . You're a very attractive man . You're a good looking dude . Calm it down . Yeah . I'm very smart and I look like President Obama . No big deal . No big deal . I've been watching this . It's been infuriating me . So I guess that's my bright spot . Oh . That's great . Yeah . That's great . How about you ? My bright spot Dan . You know over the years I've had many petty feuds .

Yeah . For no reason . Conor Friedersdorf is one of the big ones . Conor Friedersdorf has appeared in my life again today . For some reason on Twitter . He decided to be . No . He just decided to be the shithead of the day . He said something stupid and people started tipping up . What made it good for me though was it was like revisiting an old neighborhood . You know . I went back to Avondale the other day . And you see all the stuff that's the same . And you see the stuff that's different .

You're like I remember this place . I remember what this used to be . Friedersdorf still a shithead . Never change man . Never change . That's your word of encouragement . That's my word of encouragement . It always feels like home to see your bad takes . It is . You're low level asshole . I'm happy for you on that phone . Yeah . It was great . So Jordan we got an episode to do today and some complaining . But before we get to that . Let's take a little moment to say thank you .

And hello to some new wands . We're not mad at the crew . No . I'm not mad at the crew . First the hobbitch . Thank you so much . You are now a policy wonk . I'm a policy wonk . Thank you the hobbitch . Thank you . Next help . I'm stuck in a podcast factory . Thank you . It's not your policy wonk . I'm a policy wonk . Thank you very much . Thank you . Next . Hey you . You're now a policy wonk . I'm a policy wonk . Thank you . Thank you very much .

And that . Thank you so much . You are now a policy wonk . I'm a policy wonk . Thanks Annette . And also I'd like to say thank you to a technocrat out there . What's up Lauren L . How you doing ? You're now a technocrat . I'm a policy wonk . Crikey mate . That's fantastic . Have yourself a brew . How's your 401k doing bro ? All right . We got to go full tilt boogie on this Watson . All right . Let's just get down to business . We ain't making that money off that heroin .

Why are you pimp so good ? My neck is freakishly large . I declare info war on you . Thank you Lauren . Yes . Thank you very much Lauren . Now before we get to business on this episode today . Yes sir Dan . What we have to do is we have to take a little trip . Are we going to be taking a trip into the past ? No . Are you ready to take a trip with me ? Where are we going ? Scotland . Okay . I'm into Scotland . I like Scotland .

While we're here we got to say happy birthday to Ross from Scotland . Birthday was we missed this on Monday . But he sent a very nice message . And so happy birthday . And also in Scotland . There's big news . Okay . Thanks to Tyler in the Glencoe Woods of Scotland . Okay . There is a plot of land that has been adopted in the name of Celine . That's fantastic . And one of this is a conservation kind of thing . Environmentalism . But one of the fun things that comes along with this is that with this land . You get a title . So now is Celine a Baroness . She's a lady .

She's a lady . All right . It's about time that we're moving up . Not just in the animal world . But in the earth world . We're taking over . It's very exciting . Slowly . So congratulations to Lady Celine . Thank you so much . Tyler . That is very cool . Yes . I would like many people to compliment Celine and Scots . Yes . That would be a delay . Let's get back to Chicago . So we can record the episode . Okay . Here we are . We're back . Okay . Thanks Mr. Peabody . So I've had a bad week . Yeah .

Already . And a lot of it has to do with people posting that God damn song of Alex's . Right . Another another million and a half views on this video . Flying all over Twitter . Yeah . The Lonnie Vera parody . Oh great . And it really it really was bumming me out . And it's going to make me need to fully turn off notifications . And any kind of . You know . Because here's the thing . I went and I checked . We talked about that on episode 65 of this podcast . That was back in 2017 . We dealt with that and discussed how that is actually .

Though it's fun and it's funny and it feels good . It is actually something that plays directly into Alex's hands . It's actually making content like that and making it really popular . Allows him to better inoculate or or keep trapped audience . Inoculate them from outside influences . Yeah . And make him seem like somebody who's actually above board . And it solidifies a lot of the the the negative narratives . And the dangerous world views that he perpetuates . Yeah .

And I wanted to discuss that again and maybe in greater detail . I realized we've already done it . And I've banged that gong a hundred times . But then when I'd see these tweets come in . I get like notifications on my phone because I hadn't turned off the notifications . It just felt like constantly like your work doesn't matter . Yeah . Doesn't matter . Your point . No one cares . It really bums me out to know that we did that five years ago . That's too long ago . Yeah . That's too long ago .

Especially for us to have essentially the same take . Like to have not grown at all in five years . Because the correct take has already been laid down . I don't want I don't want to say that there's no room for growth . I'm sure there's nuance we could add to it . Sure . It's a little bit of a bummer . And that really like sort of messed with my my emotional state . And it kind of made me a little matter than I that I like to be generally .

No . I understand . And it's it's no one's fault . And like like even we talked about in 2017 . It's like I get why people think this is funny . I want to share it . It's great . I get it . It's just we need to get to a place where we recognize the things that are useful for propagandists and the things that are not . Yeah . And I don't know . What's important is that those things are great .

But will only be great after Alex is no longer a threat to everyone . Yeah . I mean I think I would love to enjoy it five years from now when Alex is I don't know in space or something . I think that was even kind of the point was like in a perfect world . Great . But you know . I mean it's it doesn't work . No . No . Anyway . Look . Here's the deal . Yeah . Another thing happened . And that was that on Friday over the weekend .

Alex was on some stream . Some like gamer or not gamer . But like I guess I don't know . Some people have told me these guys are like gamer gaitish types . Great . But like I don't know . It's like a pop culture . Sure . Sure . Stream . I don't even care . Like people had asked that we cover it because Alex Jones showed up on this weird stream . And he really will show up anywhere now . You know what . Without without saying anything too much .

I think he might be showing up a lot of places . He might be willing to show up a lot of places . He might be willing to go just about anywhere . You might be surprised by the pathetic places . You may end up seeing him . But let's just say Rogan is not not the the floor . Not taking it . So I went and I watched this .

And it was just a depressing display . And it was just really boring too . Yeah . Like just like these guys . Eight white dudes just sitting around letting Alex yell things at them . And then them being like you're a genius . Wild . Yeah . It was it was a bummer . It was a little bit depressing . And it was also strange to see like these people who fancy themselves .

Or like you know at least the presentation as far as I can tell . Like I have no idea . I don't know who I've not watched these people's content . But like you know they're they're doing a pop culture related show . And at least three of them have beards that are unacceptable for the office place . And most of them are broadcasting from bedrooms with like DVD collections behind them . Great . And so like it's weird for me to see these people who are like modern pop culture .

Yeah . And then they have their minds blown by like repackaged John Birch society talking points . And then they come back when these like Alex's heroes were fighting against the civil rights movement . Yeah . Like it just it's so weird to me to see like them think this is fresh . They are . I mean it's it's very fresh . Whenever you're not in the middle of seeing the consequences of that bullshit .

You know . Perhaps . Like I feel like the United States has gone through a constant ebb and flow of like . Okay . The far right kills everybody . And then it flows back . Because everybody's like hey no we can't allow that to go on for a couple of years . Everything goes fine .

Everybody forgets that it's your fucking far right friends who are going to kill everybody . They do it again . And then we go another 20 years . And it's like hey everybody quit it . We can't let this happen . And then you know a new generation of shitheads show up . And we'll see what happens this time . Yeah .

Anyway I watched this stream . And I just didn't think it was interesting . I didn't think it really brought up any points that I felt compelled to like really cover . And it really kind of just bummed me out . Because here I am trying to go down these roads . I will like I'll check out Alex in a different context . This may be fun . It wasn't .

And then all these people just bombarding me with like why don't you watch this bonny ver meme . I almost turned super villain . Like it was almost enough for me to be like this is my Victor von Doom backstory . So wait . There were eight people on that stream . Yeah . Eight dudes . All in their own boxes .

Like the Brady bunch theme song . Jesus Christ . It was Coach Dave . They were Coach Daveing it . Coach Dave doesn't usually have them all on video at the same time . But yeah . That's infuriating . How could you do that to me ?

Well yeah . Yeah . I just . No . Gross . No . And so anyway I decided I wanted to do a sneaky snake episode . Uh huh .

But I didn't want to do any of this shit . No . I almost want to punish the world . Well you are Victor von Doom now . They dare make Alex go viral for this stupid bullshit again . Oh no . Oh no . And so I am turning heel .

Oh god no . Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker show . Son of a bitch . Coming to you from the village of Morningside USA . Gathered in the beautiful Ozark Mountains . Today our special guest is the author of the best selling . Courts of Heaven series . Pastor Robert Henderson .

Yep . We're going back to Jim Baker . Oh boy . Oh boy . It's been a long time . It's been a long time . We shouldn't have left you without some canned food to step two . Look .

Here's the thing . Yeah . Jim Baker had a stroke a while back . And there's been a long period of time where I've been like . I don't want to talk about his show . Because I don't feel good about it . Right . He's a stroked out old weirdo propagandist monster .

And I've watched . With the cult compound . I've watched it . With the cult compound . I've watched some of his stuff . And this episode that I was watching made me kind of realize . I don't think it's the stroke . I think he's just old .

You think he's just old . Yeah . And I don't feel as bad . But at the same time . I'm going to pull some punches and be a little bit restrained . Sure . And I have no interest in making fun of the points where . You know just aging may be coming into a factor .

Right . Like if you forget something or whatever . Oh yeah . I have no interest in that . That's low hanging fruit . Right . And this episode was amazing . All right .

This Robert Henderson guy . Okay . Is someone who must be spoken about . You're selling me on this pretty hard . We're going to find out . Have you ever heard about this guy ? No . I have not heard about Pastor Robert Henderson .

He fancies himself an apostle . That's not good . That's a bad start . And he also claimed that he took . He claimed responsibility for Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death . Okay . Okay . Okay .

All right . Interesting . Interesting start for a pastor . Here's what he said . I control life and death . I am your new pastor . Here's what he said . Quote .

We were in the meeting on Monday night in DC . And I told them . I said look . We need to go to the courts of heaven right now . While we're on site in DC . And we need to shut the mouth of the lion . Juditially . We need to ask for a judgment against the lion .

That has actually been devouring . And intends to devour from the Supreme Court . We need to get a judgment against this lion . That Paul said God shut the mouth of . So I led us into that place . Well guess what ? Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed away . President Trump will establish a new Supreme Court justice .

That's no accident . Okay . All right . Well I mean . I guess arrest him . He's a murderer . He's claimed through prayer . He put a hit on .

You know what ? I'm going to go with that is a confession . And I think he should be arrested . If he believes that he murdered Ruth Bader Ginsburg . He should be punished accordingly . He later walked that back a little bit . He was like look . I'm just saying .

I was praying . I imagined so . So anyway . I heard this . Okay . I'll just put all my cards on the table . All right . The episode is titled .

Like Speaking in Tongues . All right . Now we're in my wheelhouse buddy . I was pretty excited about like . Okay . What's Jim Baker going to talk to this guy about speaking in tongues ? It does not end up being mostly about that . Disappointing .

He has a new book that's about speaking in tongues . Sure . The content of this episode is way more interesting than that . But you know . Every episode of Jim Baker's show starts with a little bit of lighthearted discussion . Yeah . With the family .

Yeah . His wife Lori . His co-host . Right . Tammy Sue Baker sings the theme song and brings people in . They're really all insane . They're really all insane . They're in their own compound .

Doing a fake TV show . For fake people in a fake situation . For money . For no reason . It's bananas . When I was watching this . I will not . I will not say that I didn't think it's possible .

This is satire . It's so over the top . And Robert Henderson . This guy . This preacher who's the guest . Yeah . He has to stop himself from laughing a couple times . Like there's a couple times .

Get the fuck out . No . That's not fair . There's a couple times . And it's clear that he almost breaks . You can't be Jimmy Fallon . And a fucking con man . At the same time .

That's not how it works . It's pretty wild . So at the beginning . They talk a little bit about . You know . Family stuff . Sure . And you know .

We've got some birthdays coming up . OK . And Lori makes an interesting point . Let's hear it . Lori's having a birthday this next . Yeah . Oh . Wow .

My baby daughter . Her same . Wow . 50 years old . Now she told me the other day . Yes . And I just don't accept it . Either Jim .

So like that's cute . That's cute as hell . I really like that . There's also . There's also a point where . Lori says that her . Like their anniversary is coming up . And she's like .

Can you remember which one it is ? Oh . And he's like . 22 . She says . 23 . And he's like . Wait .

But it's going to be 23 . So I am right . Oh my God . And it's kind of like . This is a family . Sure . Kind of like softness . Sure .

See . Like it's caring . Yeah . I imagine it's how people . Visioned Queen Victoria . Back in her day . Of like this . Goofing around .

Figure . But you know . She killed people . I can't accept that . My daughter is 50 years old . Oh . I don't accept it either . Oh .

Yeah . That's good family fun . That's great . Build those little kids . Aren't they though ? Aren't your babies always the babies ? Yeah . You just never stop thinking .

It's true . As the babies . How old are you going to be ? Of course . You always have to tell . I mean . When you're around your baker . You know .

You're not supposed to ask a lady how old she is . But it's OK . 64 . I'm great . Oh . No . You can retire in one more year . I'm like .

I just wish I was turning 65 . So I could get my Medicare . You know . I just like . What ? So why we haven't had 64 ? We should just skip over that year . And go straight to 65 .

What is that ? No . I'm so grateful . I can't wait another year . So I can take advantage of social programs . That I'm philosophically opposed to . Oh my God . I want everything that the Democrats have ever done .

Is the work of Satan . Except for in 1960s . Whenever they did pass Medicare and Medicaid . That was a pretty good call . Yeah . I will admit that . Social security in the 1940s . That was a great idea .

I can't live without that . Everything about my political ideology . Leads me to . Definitely want this to go away . But I also would like to skip this year . So I can take advantage . I would like to take advantage . Of the free health care .

That I refuse to accept . It should be allowed . I don't want to pay into this . No . But I want to skip a year . Of course . So I can experience socialism . Exactly .

I like to vacation in socialism . It's so much better there . Yeah . So that's fun . I'm going to generally . Not spend too much time on Jim's stuff . Because I really do think that this Henderson guy . This guy's nuts .

Not so much . Yes . But I think he's . I don't know . I got a lot of theories about him . Okay . But what he's bringing to the table is amazing . Okay .

So he has this new book about speaking in tongues . Right . But in his introduction . Jim brings up his other books . That's the series called The Courts of Heaven . Get the fuck out . But we're about to introduce our guest . We are .

Pastor Robert Henderson . Yes . And back with us . We love you . We love your ministry . I saw it after speakers in America today . Can you believe that . Really ?

His books on The Courts of Heaven have just gone bananas . No . That's not a good word to use . Just spectacularly though . People love their books . They do . The Courts of Heaven series . It's actually a series .

And I continue to write books on it . It's just . People have found an answer to unanswered prayer in those books . Yeah . And that's what's caused them to be so successful . It's so powerful that it's almost supernaturally . Yes . The way to believe it .

Oh absolutely . It's almost too powerful . I do believe that there's a supernatural unction on those books . Yeah . Because when people read them it's like it's not just letters on a page . It's like an importation . Do you understand ? This book is magic .

Okay . This book is essentially magic that he's got . Are you really going to come out the gate with this book . It will heal you because the words are literal magic . It has an unction . It's got unctuous abilities . Yeah . I was intrigued .

I am blown away . By the gall of someone to be like my book is literally magic . Yeah . It was pretty taken aback by the opening of this . And I was like I want to know more . What's going on ? Well I mean if you trace some of his words in silver . And you get the name the true name of the person that you want to curse .

Then you will of course have power over them . That isn't in the book . Oh . It has more to do with the courts of heaven . Okay . I don't want to spoil too much . Because learning about this is going to be amazing . Man I'll tell you this .

If RBG is in the courts of heaven . He's going to be real pissed . No . She didn't make the cut . One of the things that we always find the most fascinating . Is like the preoccupation among space weirdos . And Alex with like interstellar contract law . Yeah .

And that's really why this episode is special . Because when he's talking about the courts of heaven . No . He's talking about it literally . No . No . No . No .

No . No . No . No . No . No . No . No .

No . No . No . Just after you die . It's also while you're alive . You can take advantage of the heavenly court system . Okay . Alright .

Do who do I sue ? The devil . Do I sue the devil ? Yes . Okay . Alright so I take the devil to court . I get a summons . I get a subpoena .

He's got to be served . So somebody a court . A court representative has to go serve the devil . Yeah a process server angel . Right right . And then a demon shows up in a suit and tie . Sure . It's the lawyer .

I'm going to go with the guy from the wire naturally . And then you argue your case . And then what happens ? Do you get restitution ? What if you lose ? See these are the questions that I'm glad you have . And only one man can explain . Okay .

But in due time . No . I understand . I understand this excitement . This is what happens when I turn heel . So he's got a he's got a book he's working on . Okay . What has to do with the court system ?

Sure . Sure . There's some really interesting dynamics at play . Who do you want ? Tell me is there's going to be another one ? Oh yeah . There's going to be one coming out with me and my son . Real quickly .

Oh that's awesome . It's called imparting generational blessings from the court of heaven . Yes . Because lots of times we talk about the court of heaven . And undoing all that the devil's doing . But there are legal things that are hanging in the spirit world . No . That we can grab hold of .

No . And it can be generational blessings imparted in our family life . Would you release that book on our shoulder ? I would love to . I would love to . Absolutely . Because you have a brand new book out the gifts of tongues . And boy is it a good book .

So you could kind of get the idea of why this guy can't keep a straight face . The stuff is ridiculous . That is hilariously . It's wonderful . There are legal things you can do in the spirit world . Do you want to avoid the generational death tax in the spirit court ? I mean yeah . Obviously .

I don't want to have to pay taxes on the money that I want to leave behind . Or the blessings . Yeah . Well absolutely . Yeah . You don't want God taking one sixth of your blessings ? I can't . Here's the number one problem I have .

I swear to you . If I was a religious person . That would infuriate me so much more than anything else . I'd be offended . Just because if you are expecting me to live through this shit . To get to heaven . And you're telling me that when I get to heaven . It's this shit ?

Well . I'm going to be furious . You have to calm down . Because again it's not about like when you die . I understand how that judgment and court thing . It really seems like it's when you die . Sure . That's probably part of it .

But it's more important that it's happening now . Okay . It's like every day . All right . Every day . Courts are open 24 7 3 65 . Gotcha . And you can go to them .

Get a mediator . Sure . Yeah . Deal with the devil . For all the wrongs he done . Naturally . Naturally . Yeah .

Take him to court for suing in that fiddle contest . He cheated . He cheated . He cheated . That was a golden fiddle . Yeah . So we recently learned that Alex has had COVID multiple times . Yes .

And his entire staff got COVID . Yeah . Because he's a moron . And it seems like Jim's had some troubles on that front too . The Holy Spirit is quickening me to pray for our son Ricky . Yes . And he's been through . That's good .

He's been down a little bit . Oh yeah ? In bed . Physically ill . Oh yeah ? Yeah . He had COVID . I already told everybody on TV .

Oh yeah ? I already said it . He had COVID . If you think I tell everything she would tell everything . Oh . Don't worry about him . But he had his whole platoon . I mean and he had it bad .

Oh my God . Yeah . So apparently Laurie brought this up in a previous episode . Jim didn't realize it . So he was going to just say he was sick . Yeah . But then it kind of the game was busted . Jim's out here being like .

You realize we're not doing that . We're not saying that . I was hoping to pretend it was something else . I'm going to have to take you to a court . One of the things that I noticed too . Is that Laurie is really coming into her own . I don't know if it's the time since . Like you know .

Jim had a stroke . Sure . And she had to host a bit more . Yeah . She had to step up . I think that she has a lot more personality . Than when I was watching the show before . Nice .

She's gotten some chops out of this . I think a little bit of confidence . Nice . To be able to like have her own . Right . Identity more . Yeah . I can applaud that a little .

It's like on a Kitchen Nightmares episode . The old boss has got to step aside . And let the young blood take over . Otherwise it's just going to go out of business . I still don't think she's great . And she also insists on referring to Jim . As Jim Baker . All the time .

Using full names . Which is really weird . It's clearly a conversation they've had off air . Yeah . It can call me Jim Baker . Yeah . So Robert Henderson recently spoke at this conference . Called the Pentecostal Fire Conference .

Which is about getting the spirit together . It's a revival . Sure . It's a revival . Now there's a reason that they had him come . And he had to open the entire conference . Oh yeah . Yeah .

For a very specific reason . Why is that ? A lot of what was there was like these young revivalists . You know there's a lot of young revivalists . That are rising up across this nation . And I mean revival services are breaking out in tremendous ways . But the whole issue was to grab a hold of Pentecostal fire . So that we could see a revival come to the nation of America .

Amen . And so what I did . My part . What I did was they wanted me to open the conference . And present us . And that we might step into the courts of heaven . Yeah . So that everything that was done in that conference .

Could speak in the courts of heaven . And that God on the basis of that testimony . Could render a judgment that would let his glory come to the earth . Yeah . He had to open it because they needed things to be on the record . In the court of heaven . And so like you need an official like a barrister . A lawyer .

You know I like that we've moved . You know when I was growing up . There was that there was that paradoxical question of like . Could God who can do everything create a mountain that he can't move ? Yeah . I'm glad we've moved on beyond that to just like . Look if you don't open the court . God can't hear you .

Yeah . Or he can choose to hear you or not . Yes . God has a lot of weird rules . That how so happened to be ones that maybe I created for fun . This thought is coming too late . Because we're in the middle of recording this episode . But I really should have called the opening arguments guys .

Trying to get their take on this . What are your deals in the courts of heaven ? Yeah . Do you have an understanding of heavenly law ? The legal ramifications in the courts of heaven . What's the statute of limitations ? If it's if it's eternal . How long do I got ?

So Jim wants a little bit of an explainer on the courts . Which is great because we all think we all need that . Yeah . And apparently this this I'm going to do a lot more looking into this guy . Because he this seems like a tip of an iceberg on this hand or so character . Okay . But you know there's new listeners . New viewers .

Can you talk a little bit about the background ? Can you explain how we are need to be able to enter the courts of heaven again ? We never get tired of hearing that . And maybe and we have a lot of new viewers . Maybe they've never heard about the courts of heaven that we're talking about . Well you know I just keep getting I have my own show on your network . They would because they would be in the Bible if they were in the court of heaven . You would hear it .

Every every week when we're all you know I teach us a little bit of peace of the court of heaven . He has a show on Jim's network that is just all about the court of heaven . All about the court of heaven . You go and you watch that show and you're going to get a law degree . All right . All right . Not not a joke . Honest to God pitch .

Night court of heaven . Love it . I was like how can we improve this ? You can't . It's perfect . I would like a giant bailiff to take care of me . Yes . Bull .

Bull come on baby . I think that there is a very good chance . I will be watching the shit out of this show . Because I find if it's anything like it seems like it would be . This sounds amazing . Teach a little bit about the court of heaven . We got to talk a little bit about tariffs . Just a lovely little teaser for every day .

What's your daily court of heaven knowledge ? So there's a little bit of that . A little bit of education about the court of heaven . And then he talks about also testimonials . Sure . Things that people have written into him about . Christians love that shit . And it turns out a lot of people have experience in the courts .

Of course . I'm amazed that there's that many testimonies that come out of the court of heaven . In fact . I just got a testimony this morning from someone in England . Who was in a coma . Or in a whatever state they were in . With COVID . And while they were with COVID .

They were in the court of heaven . They knew nothing about the court of heaven . They were in the court of heaven . And there was the enemy had a case against them . And they began while they were in the court of heaven . While they were in this state . To answer that case . They got completely well .

When they got back and started sharing their testimony . Someone said . Have you heard of Robert Henderson and the teaching on the court of heaven ? They said no . And they said . They emailed us . And they said . Everything you say is real .

Wow . Everything you say . I was there . I got healed from COVID out of the court of heaven . Everything you're telling people is real . Amen . Wow . What a giant pile of bullshit .

What a spectacular pile of garbage . Oh man . This person from the United Kingdom beat a COVID case . The enemy has a case against you . A COVID case . Yeah . Oh my God . The mind reels .

Oh . Did you hear the devil . Hey . You hear about Robert Henderson . What about him ? Well . He's going to take care of you in the courts . Yeah .

He's going to bring a case against you . There is no implication . Or insinuation that you need a lawyer . Right . You can represent yourself . Oh . I would assume that God would provide a lawyer for you . No .

It seems like God's on the bench . God's the judge . I mean . But yeah . So God is also the lawyer . And God is also saving . He's the triune . He's the lawyer .

The bailiff . The whole thing . It's what he is . What is God ? Why is there a court ? Jordan . I regret that you lost your shit so much at that last clip . That wasn't the one that I thought was going to be .

Oh . Oh . It's going to get bad . It's going to get . This next clip was where I was like . Definite mic down for this . I like a clip that turns into a mic down clip . Because I have to put the mic down .

Yeah . Sometimes they're unexpected a little bit . But this one . Holy shit . So Jim plays a trailer for . Oh . Henderson's show . No .

No . This seems absolutely like it's a joke . Okay . We have almost no ability to believe this is serious . This is a trailer from his show . So let's roll that and then we'll talk about it . But we have a right to stand and put the divine restraining orders . God's restraining orders into place in behalf of us and our family .

But I want you to notice what this widow said . She came before the judge . She literally said . Get justice for me . She said . Get justice for me . Watch this . From my adversary .

So she was saying . I want the devil judged . I don't want to just be free from judgment . I want the devil judged . And I want back what he stole from me . God did not only vindicate Joe . He gave him punitive damages . Did he just do .

That sounded exactly like a lawyer commercial on . Oh yes it did . That is exactly what that sounded like . It sounded like some late night . Have you been injured by . Yes . Call 188 . I injured .

For heavenly justice . Have you been injured by the devil . You're not the only one . Join the class action lawsuit . I've got Gizothelioma . I cannot believe this is real . Oh my God . You can get punitive damages .

You can get punitive damages . Like Joe . What does that count for ? What does that count for ? I get that Joe got twice as many sons as he had before . But all of his sons still died . Who gives a shit ? He doesn't get those old sons back .

Look the court can't do anything about that . Why not ? You're God . Those new kids are good . They're good enough . Yeah . I like the idea that there's punitive damages . And like that that is what happened in the story of Job .

Yeah that's the lesson that you should have taken from Job . What I learned from Job was not . Don't question God . He'll just fuck with you for no reason . Who are you to say shit ? Oh yeah . What I learned was that you got to take the devil to devil court . Right .

Because that's the only place you can get justice for the devil . Yeah . And then you get punitive damages . Yeah . Of course . This is so weird . I think it probably goes without saying . But at one point in this .

He does say he's not a big research guy . Yeah . He's not big into like researching . Or the Bible . Kind of just feeling it out . He's just kind of like got a vibe from the Bible . Yeah . I can't believe .

I've watched some really ridiculous stuff on Jim Baker's show . Like I've seen some swings for the fences . Yeah . Fucking Mike Lindell's been on . Oh hell yeah . Sydney Powell's been on . Why not ? So there's some stuff .

Luminaries of the Christian world . There's stuff that's outrageous . We've talked about . What's her name ? Paula White Kane . Oh yeah . Yeah . She's batshit evil .

Even like a lot of these prosperity gospel people . Oh yeah . Like they pale in comparison to the guy who's pitching heaven court . I just I'm blown away . I'm blown away . I mean that's just . People are so interested to learn about heaven court . Of course they are .

Because it's not mentioned anywhere in the Bible . Well it is . And it's not really discussed or anything . And honestly that sounds crazy . Well I should tell you that in this next clip . Henderson does give a scriptural basis . Okay . For his beliefs .

His beliefs in the night court . And then also like he explains how it works . Uh huh . And if you don't quite pick up on what he's saying . I'll explain it on the other end of the clip . Okay . Daniel 710 . For anybody that's kind of unfamiliar .

The best one of the best . Maybe the best scripture on the court . Where it says that he's seeing . Daniel's seeing all of this activity in the unseen realm . And then it says . And the court was seated . And the books were open . So what that means is that the books .

That means . That's the place that cases come out of . For instance . Let me just use the ministry . Get the fuck out . Okay . Your ministry has a book in heaven . Okay .

It's written because . You didn't just dream this ministry up . No . The ministry originated in heaven . Before time began . Right . That's what it says in Psalms 139 16 . That before time began .

Anything that has a kingdom purpose . It was written in heaven before time began . So what happens is that God . God comes and he begins to reveal . What this ministry is supposed to be . What it's supposed to do . You take that prophetic awareness . And you present it in the courts .

And you say God let . What you said about this ministry come to pass . And then . Anything that dares to touch that . Just like this onslaught you went through . Anything that dares to touch that . You bring that and you say God . This is not about me .

This is about your purposes . This is about your will through this ministry . I'm asking that what you wrote in the book . It would come to pass . Everything that's supposed to happen would come to pass . And anything that dares to touch this thing . I'm asking that judgment would come against it . I'm asking that you would judge that out of heaven right now .

From the courts of heaven . And you're asking for a legal judgment . Against anything that would dare touch the purposes of God . Amen. It's happening . It's happening . Excuse me . You took off your glasses .

Excuse me . You seem a little bit in a mood counselor . Mr. Henderson . I would just like to point out that . Court has multiple definitions . Oh yeah it does . So one court could simply be . The king's court .

Or another word for retinue . A group of people who surround the king and provide assistance . And even beyond that . You know when you get into biblical translation . There's a lot of issues where words mean multiple things . And like the Aramaic that it comes from in the book of Daniel . It's a little bit questionable . Could just mean judgment .

Yeah and it's unsurprising that the King James version . Would include the word court . Considering the circumstances around which it was written . Sure sure . It's dubious at best . And if he was more of a study guy . I imagine he could have gotten to the bottom of this . I would recommend a research guy to help him .

You know . Maybe a research assistant . Would be helpful . Yeah . So here's how it works . As he explains . There's these books in heaven . That are profit .

They're predetermined . Everything that's going to happen . No . You can't include that part . Because if you include the part where it's predetermined . Then the rest of it means nothing . Everything is predestined in these books . Right .

Everything that you're going to do that is meaningful to heaven . Correct . Is in these books . Right . Like Jim Baker having his TV station . And weird compound . Yeah . That's in that book .

That's in that book . And it has been since the beginning of time . Of course . Right . So before now . Okay . Sorry . I guess him going to prison was also part of that .

Yes he was . That's in that book . Right . And so when Jim Baker gets a silly idea . About what he wants to do . Like add another layer to the compound . Sure . Sure .

Sure . Sure . Sure . Build up . Yeah . Put in an ice cream parlor . Well you've got to ask for God's permission before that . No .

But he gets these ideas . Then that is experienced as prophecy . So he gets these prophetic visions of what he's going to do . Yeah . With his compound . Correct King . And it's all been predestined in the book . Right .

What he's actually getting is a glimpse at that book . So if anything stands in the way . Of him putting up that ice cream shop at Morningside . Right . Then he's got to take it to court . And he's got to get a judgment . Right . Now .

Now . And I'm going to throw this out here for you . Oh . I'm just going to toss this one wide out . I'm just going to break this whole case wide open . Oh . Okay . Watch yourself counselor .

If it's predetermined . Okay . Yeah . Then it doesn't matter if someone tries to get in the way . That is also predetermined . Right . All of this is predetermined . If it's so predetermined .

It can't not happen . Otherwise you're saying that your God has no actual power . Unless you take him to court . Yeah . Yeah . There's a lot of loose threads . Yeah . I wonder if you could get a sidebar in the court of heaven .

I mean I would hope so . Yeah . I would hope to take God to the side and be like . You realize this guy is insane . Yeah . Sir . This is madness . Uh .

You should injunction him . So let's say that something is like . You have a plan that you've decided is prophetic . Right . And something comes up against it . Right . You've got to go take it to heaven court . Then if it doesn't matter .

No . Because if it's not a prophecy it won't happen . You're getting hung up on that . I'm getting really hung up on the thing that means something . You have to let it go . Okay . Fair enough . Because if you take these things to court .

That are getting in your way . No . Stop it . No . You can get damages . Once you get a judgment from the Lord . Then you ask for restoration . Just like Job .

Yes . Lord we want double back . Yes . Everything . Not only what was lost . But we want penitive damages . Penitive damages pays you for your pain and suffering . Is that true ?

Yes . My God . That's what happened to Job . He got double back . Everything he lost . Because the whole book of Job is a court case . Even Job recognized that . This is outrageous .

This is just amazing . This is an outrageous scam . I do think it's fun though . I mean . And it's so bizarre . And I don't know if Jim Baker really does have a large enough audience . That this is dangerous as a belief . Yeah .

Oh boy . That's . You know . At least . At least before the Internet . You used to have to sell snake oil . Yeah . There had to be some oil .

This is literally a guy just going like . Hey man . If you buy my books . And take your evil people to court . Then you'll get snake oil . Uh-huh . You know . It's really the Steve Pocanic of televangelist swings .

Yeah . It's a big one . It's a big swing . It's a big swing . Yeah . So Jim recently had a prophetic dream . Yeah . North Koreans brought ballots over to Maine .

Lower stakes . Lower stakes . Okay . He's thinking about putting some parking in . No . This is not real . Yes . This is not real .

Oh boy . I mean he just showed me every detail of it . Sidewalks . Walkways around . All the things that he wanted here . Things that you wouldn't even think about . The new studios . Amen .

I'm going to go ahead and announce something . Oh . None of the rest of us know about it . He hasn't talked to me so much . Only me and God know about it so far . He hasn't talked to us about it yet . But around the perimeter of this great mountain . That's right where the studio is going to sit .

In the center . Amen . The hallway on the edge . He showed me how to level this thing out . Put two stories of parking underneath . Out of the weather . For the people that live here . Oh that's a beautiful thing .

The people that visit here . Right . To be out of the weather . You know what I mean ? Absolutely . And I don't mean to go into my building . But I saw it last night . Yeah .

That's great . And I said God where am I going to get the money ? You got the money honey . I got the time . Remember that song or something . I don't know what it is . But see . That dream .

But you said it . Right now this is a piece of my puzzle . That's right . That's right . That dream is a prophetic awareness of what God intends to do . So you take that word into the courts . And you say anything that would there stand on the way of this . Don't keep going .

We're asking for a judgment against that thing . So that what God wants to be done can be done . If we had just what we lost in this debacle as I'm going to call it . We could do what we just said . Yeah . So this dream of a parking lot . By God . Is a prophetic glimpse at what's in that book that's in the courts of heaven .

So anything that would stand in the way of Jim making this parking lot . You know . He's got to get a judgment against it . He's going to have to get an injunction from the court . Does the heavenly court deal with zoning ? Look . What if somebody is like hey . This could be an indigenous burial ground .

You can't just let them get away with looking for the crimes of the past . You got to go to court with heaven . And then he'll give you twice as many indigenous people as were in the graves . Do we have . Is that how that works ? Possibly . I think so . Is there a small claims heaven court ?

I just . I mean this is first grade cult leadership right here . You can't even just say . I think we want a parking lot . It has to be a prophecy . You can't even just be like . Hey . I think people could appreciate a parking lot .

We don't have enough parking here . People get rained on all the time . They're in the Ozarks . There is winter issues with parking . Inside parking would be advantageous . Why do we got to bring the courts into this ? Because it's prophesied . You're not going to be able to handle this next .

God I dreamt of a parking lot . Well my yes and to that is . That's a fucking prophecy from God . Yeah . Yeah . So Mike down for this one . All right . This man .

I don't know what kind of a like deal . This Henderson character has with like having his show on the network . And Jim selling his books and what have you . But if he ever needed to like claim that he made his money . Right here is where he earns his money . Okay . But may I say one more thing about your givers . Your partners .

Yes . When they partner with you by giving their finance . They become a part of your breakthrough . What I mean by that is there is a connection made in the spirit . That allows them to claim for themselves . The same blessing that comes up on Jim Baker . PTL network . All these kind of things .

Because finances make connections in the spirit world . And so whenever we take our finances and we show them . We are connecting to something . That we literally have a legal right to claim drawing rights from . You're not even fucking drawing . You know . What's up . $1,000 .

I just want to say this . Our SOS . We have put it out there for you . Amazing . It's just . Oh my God . Oh baby . The indulgences are back baby .

You give Jim Baker money . That you have special drawing rights on the blessings . Get a little blessing . You get a little piece . You get a little of that taste . It's trickle down faith enomics dance . It's not just that . It's a legal right that you have on these blessings .

Can I take Jim Baker to Heaven's Court ? I'm going to need to . What if like Jim Baker is doing bad things . Then giving him money would actually be a detriment to you . Yeah . You would be liable for damages . I have some things about Jim Baker in his life . It's pretty bad .

Uh-oh . Uh-oh . This could be trouble . So yeah . But if you donate . So if you donate to Jim Baker . You're running a deficit . Yes .

On karma . Yes . You're throwing money in a pit . Yeah . Literally and spiritually . Yes . But it turns out if you give $1,000 . Uh-huh .

To this fundraising campaign of his . Don't . Very special gift . Don't do it . You get a special gift . Don't do it . With that $1,000 . Just don't quit .

S-O-S offer . We have Joan Hunters . Which we love this . The Miracle Blanket . We absolutely love this . So you get a Miracle Blanket . Do you want to know what the Miracle Blanket is ? I was just speechless .

You don't know the Miracle Blanket ? Yeah . Let's hear it . It's just a Blanket that says miracles happen . No . No . No . For $1,000 .

You get a Blanket . There's a couple of other things . Like a book and a CD . Yeah . Nobody reads and what is a CD ? Well apparently the CD is this preacher friend of theirs . Speaking the word over very relaxing music . I actually do think I might listen to it .

Yes . This Miracle Blanket . This friend of theirs . This other preacher . Praise over all of them . My God . Don't do this . They have a couple of pictures that they show on the show .

And one of them is like Lori . It's someone else putting the Blanket over Jim . Jim is like laying on the bed in his clothes . No . Smiling . Oh my God . Like a weird Christmas Carol situation . But it's a very staged photo .

Yeah . Yeah . It looks awesome . I am just . You know it's almost like . It's almost like it's so brazen . Yes . I'm more .

You know you're more likely to be like . There's no way they could get away with that . If it's not true . That's insane . Well try to imagine . To think that somebody would be like finances equals . Have it . Like that's bananas .

Trying to imagine the dark moments of curiosity or doubt . Are really difficult . If you . If you . You know like . If you don't imagine that they know they're fucking around . And they know that this is a scam . Right .

If they think it's sincere . Right . I just don't understand how you would ever get out of a moment of crisis . Where you're like . What if this is . This doesn't make sense . No . No way .

No way . It has to be all like . Yeah . The house of cards is such that anything . Even the slightest whiff of doubt . Would knock the whole thing down immediately . So it has to be perfect . Or nothing .

Yeah . I mean . I think that anybody . Any right thinking person . Checking out that trailer for the dude's show . If you're trying to put out a trailer for this guy's show . You'd be like . Guys .

This looks . Ridiculous . This is . All Saul . Yeah . Yeah . This looks like a parody of what we're doing . Yeah .

We need to take another pass at this . Let's try and make it look serious . Let's try and give it a little bit of gravitas . Let's give some like an edge to it . It's awesome . You know . I do . I do appreciate that .

It does seem like the . The Scientology scam took all the lessons from like the early revivalist preachers that . You know that . The Marjos and the like that whole thing . And then they were like . What if we made it even more brazen and just asked for money and blackmailed people . And then Jim Baker is like . Well .

I mean Scientology's got a great scam going . But what if we just go even crazier . Don't even bother blackmailing people . And just tell them the weirdest shit . Let's just freak people out . And then . You don't need to pay to get these secrets . These secrets are so crazy .

We can't not give them to you . Right . Heaven Court . Yes . So . It turns out . It's . You know .

End Times . Oh boy . It's been in times with the Baker family for quite some time now . You're not wrong . I believe it's been since the 80s . Maybe even before . Yeah . But it's End Times .

And Laurie would like to remind us that . You know . Like hey . Shit's bad . There's a lot of people falling away . But it's also harvest time . You know we have to always remember that . This is harvest time .

Yes . There's going to be a great falling away . The word says . But it's the harvest time . Right now . But the meeting I was just in on Pentecostal fire . Yes . This is what one of the young evangelists said .

People are getting saved because . COVID is making them know they're not immortal . Mmm . And they're realizing we're going to die . Yeah . Well maybe not now . But some point we're going to die . Right .

And it is causing people to look at their eternity . That's depressing . That's bananas . I shouldn't use that word . No . That . That really . I mean there's .

A lot of this is really funny . That's not . That is really sad . Yeah . That is fucking . That's the danger though . Of religion . You know .

You can laugh at how stupid all of it is . But then you get into that . Dude . You're like . Jesus . No . No . I understand .

I understand . This isn't religion . Yeah . Anybody . Anybody who has like . I don't know . A relationship with a deity or like . Sure .

You know . Like has some kind of a belief in a divine . Sure . Like that is not something that should be impugned . Necessarily . Right . I think that's what I thought of as like wrong or stupid . This is stupid .

No . This is not religion . No . No . I would say that any kind of connection you have with . Eternity is fine . Yeah . But when you start making up dumb rules for it .

Yeah . That's when I . That's when we start talking about religion that I think is . Yeah . Incredibly insane . And dangerous . Yeah . Exactly .

Like having this like perspective towards COVID . And you know . Not for nothing . Or a perspective towards infidels . If you like . But not for nothing . Stay on COVID for a second . Yeah .

The courts can help you with that . Did you know that ? Don't . Don't do anything . You said there's a way to receive divine protection . From the courts of heaven . What must we do ? Well I believe Job is a picture .

Before he went through what he went through . There was a hedge around him . And as long as . Religion . And that means a little bit a protective restraining order . If you will . It's not some kind of flowery thing that the devil can't penetrate . It's a legal rendering that says you can't go past that .

You can't touch him . He's mine . And whenever . That was set in place . Three things happened . No harm could come to Job in his house . Accumulation of wealth . And great influence .

Right . Because the enemy had no power to devour that . Because he couldn't touch him . Because he was behind a restraining order of God . Amen . That's awesome . That's awesome . That is awesome .

So I guess what you need to do to protect yourself from COVID is go to heaven court . And somehow prove that it's predestined that you're not supposed to get COVID . And then get a restraining order from viruses . You know I would recommend that Pastor Henderson read a wonderful play by a Scotsman Archibald McLeish . Uh huh . Called JB .

In which he much better explains the point of the book of Job . And how to go about interpreting it from an existentialist point of view . Alright . It's quite good . I'm sure he's going to put that on his reading list . I will tell you what the point of Job wasn't . Uh . That there is a court system .

Uh . That both God and the devil abide by . As though there were a higher power . It would . The two of them . It would seem to imply that wouldn't it . Yes . Yeah .

It would imply that there is a level of power . That both God and Satan bow to . Right . Because it's a legally binding document . It's just amazing . Yeah . I didn't expect this . I mean like I just wanted to hear about speaking in tongues .

Yeah . That would have been great . Instead I learned about a bizarre judicial system that exists . So he's on two days . Robert Henderson's on two days . Oh God . And so the first day is mostly getting off track . Into the courts of heaven .

Yeah . And I feel edified that I have learned about it . I've learned some things . Some things . They have been learned . So I wanted to still learn about the speaking in tongues . Sure . I find that to be something that I'd love to see demonstrated .

Oh speaking in tongues is a great scam . It's one of the best . I would have loved to . Spoiler alert . They don't end up doing any speaking in tongues . But I thought it might be fun if this guest started doing it . Well you can't do it on command . Otherwise people will know you're faking it .

I think this guy can do it on command . Well you can't do it on command . Because otherwise people will know you're faking it . You can't do it on command . Because you know in the wrong audience . Someone might say you're faking it . Somebody might point out . This is faking it .

So there's two things that appear to be speaking in tongues . According to this conversation that they have on the second episode . Sure . And one of them is what we would understand as speaking in tongues . Speaking what could appear to be gibberish . The angels language . And then it is given to someone else within the congregation . To interpret it and spread their words to the people .

Well there's that . And then there's also like you end up speaking sometimes in known languages . Like you could end up speaking just some other foreign language that you don't know . Right . And so that's one end of it . But there's another end of it . And it's what this Henderson fella describes . Kind of like it's like praying in tongues .

Okay . And I actually found this incredibly fascinating . Because what he's describing is essentially just having a mantra . He's just talking about meditation with a mantra . Sure . So here's him a little bit on the subject . The truth is if I didn't have the gift of tongues . I wouldn't have a prayer life for me personally .

Because have you and I would just ask even your audience . Have you ever tried to spend any amount of time praying at all . It's one of the hardest things you'll ever do . I remember back when Larry Lee was so popular . Oh yeah . And teaching us to pray for an hour . I was like I started in trying to pray for an hour . And I thought it's got to have been 30 minutes .

It'd been like three minutes . It was like one of the hardest things . But because I knew . Because I was filled with a spirit and I could speak in tongues . When I didn't know what to pray . Because that's actually what it said . I could be getting a prayer in the spirit . And then out of my prayer in the spirit .

Understanding would begin to unlock . And I could pray in English . And I'd pray in the spirit some more . All I can hear is the description of the challenges of meditation . Because it is kind of boring . If you're not used to it to sit in quietness for a long period of time . But one of the things that is advantageous about having a mantra . Is that there are words that don't necessarily mean anything .

In your primary language . There's things that have . A sentence that has a meaning to you . If you think that . Then your brain will actively be thinking that . Whereas if you think or chant or repeat . Something that doesn't have an intrinsic meaning to you . You have a better ability to let your mind settle .

And let your thoughts roll . As opposed to grabbing on to the thoughts as they happen . This is something that's pretty basic meditation stuff . I wonder if they could get David Lynch on . TM . It sounds a lot like transcendental meditation . It's basically the same thing . It's exactly the same thing .

You put enough new agey bullshit in there . Maybe they'll get a little something out of it . And they'll give you some money . It's praying in tongues . Is what it is . Just put it in there . Much like meditation . Whenever Henderson needs a little bit of clarity .

He goes and he prays in tongues . It's just meditation . If I'm feeling discouraged . I'm feeling overwhelmed . And what happens to me . Is all of a sudden it's like the fog clears . And a new perspective starts to come . And I move from doubt and fear back into faith .

I mean that's what happens to me when I pray in the spirit . And I begin to tap that unseen realm . Because this is what I believe . I believe tongues is an entry point . Is an entry point that we go through a gate . Into the supernatural realms of God . This is all fun . But if this was like a Hindu person saying this .

Or like a Buddhist . They would be like this is . Evil, this is evil, this is all fun . Yeah . I mean I do . As somebody who has had stretches of time . Where I've been more active in meditating . Than currently .

Sure . Certainly not at the moment . Sure . I've experienced some of the benefits . That are similar to what he's saying . Yeah absolutely . You know like that calm state . And get into .

Definitely feel supernatural at times . Yeah . Well I mean it reminds me of . There's a book . Called A Pilgrim's Way . Or The Pilgrim's Way . If I recall correctly . And the idea behind it is just .

There's a dude . He's like . What does it mean in Thessalonians . When God says pray without ceasing . And then he goes on this journey . And talks to a bunch of wise men about it . And ultimately he's just like . Oh the prayer should be .

Essentially your heartbeat . You know the way you breathe in and breathe out . Should have something to do with . Mindfulness . Essentially . Sure . You know . Through the whole Christianity mythos .

He gets to the same place that . Buddhism gets to . Or that . Hinduism gets to with that . Meditation of . Controlling and of mindfulness . There's something . Interesting about that .

Yeah . That's not what they're . Not at all . That's not how they're engaging . Not even a little bit . Nope . So . Contract law .

I was looking for examples of Robert Henderson talking about . Like . When he spoke in tongues . And here's an example of it . And I found this to be uncompelling . You can try to explain it to people . Yeah .

And all that . But once you experience tongues . It's like . Oh now I understand . I will never forget . I was in a . I was in a prayer meeting . And I was leading the prayer meeting .

And so I was leading this prayer meeting . And we were all praying . And there was a guy from Haiti . That happened to be in the prayer meeting . And so as I was praying . And doing . When we got through . After about an hour .

He walks up to me . And he says . Do you know French ? Because they speak French . In Haiti . And I said . No . I'm barely speaking English .

And he said . He said . Well he said . Every time you would finish praying . In the spirit . You would say . Chatham . He said .

Do you know what Chatham is ? He said . It's French for I love you . So you were telling God . In French . The French language . I love you . Every time you would finish .

Whatever else you were saying . Yeah . That's so amazing . You know . I've heard that story so many times . I have heard that one story . Or similar stories . That's it .

I have a couple thoughts . First . Chatham is not really exactly . I would say . Chatham . I think the pronunciation is a little bit off . It also is a sound that you might just make like . Chatham .

You know . It sounds like something you might do . It also sounds like maybe if you were screaming about how . Say . Satan is evil . Then somebody might hear . Sure . And a sentence with Satan .

Yeah . Their own way . And also as somebody who took French in high school . Like . Je t'aime is more like . I like you . Yeah . Je d'or is closer to .

I love you . I don't know . I don't find this compelling . I think that if you were just bebopping and scatting . A little bit . Sure . You might come up with . Yeah .

I mean . There's no doubt . If you've ever been to those like religious experience kind of places . You know . I've been into a god camp . Where I've felt the Holy Ghost and stuff . Yeah . But that's the same thing that happens with any large crowd .

As you start to feel the energy . You get the same thing at a fucking music festival . You know . There's . There's like sort of . You know . Like a collective . Energy .

Or whatever . Yeah . Yeah . There's an experience . Yeah . So . We get back to praying in tongues here . That this is how .

Our friend Robert came up with . Heaven's Court . Oh no . Oh boy . So when I'm praying in tongues . I'm praying in tongues . I'm not having to think about it . Because he's just flowing out of my spirit .

But it lets my mind be free . To think about that scripture . So I'm praying in tongues . And thinking about it . And all of a sudden things just start unlocking . And I start seeing . Revelation from that scripture . That can be life changing .

And that's what happened with the court of heaven . And many other things that the Lord's allowed me . The privilege to teach . But it has its source . In the prayer . In my prayer language . So he was . He was just basically meditating .

And came up with the idea of Heaven's Court . And then decided it was a revelation . This is . This is . This is what happens . This is what happens . When an entire generation grows up . With illegal marijuana .

Because if this guy was just smoking weed . And he had this idea . He'd be like . That was a hilarious idea guys . This was really great . Let's get something to eat . And we will never speak of this again . What if .

What if . A basic career . Exactly . Everyone around him is like . Don't do that . And he would have friends . Because you know . He's got weed .

That'd be great . Yeah . But then they'd be wrong . Because he's . I mean . Well clearly . Everything I can tell . Yeah .

That's true . He's got a comfortable scam . But he has to live with . The Baker family . Right . I don't think he lives there . Yeah . I don't .

He doesn't live at morning . Well he has to live with himself . Emotionally he has to live with the fact that he's . Yes . Hanging out with the Bakers . Yeah . Yeah . So another thing that's very .

Interesting within this . Is the universal truth . That we always find . Uh huh . That any of these fucks . It's a movie . It's always a movie . It's always a movie .

But when I pray in the spirit . It's always a movie . I used to tell people this . I said to me praying in the spirit . And we're all old enough to remember the old Batman series . Oh yes . When Commissioner Gordon would pick up the red phone . And he goes straight to the Batcave .

Right . I say praying in the spirit is like that bat phone . It goes straight to God . It would no interruption . I said it literally is a hotline . A hotline to God . It's like the bat phone . Also that seems to imply that other prayers .

Just normal prayers are like . They go to an answering service . Yeah . Yeah . I mean if they're not in the court . Then they're not in the official docket . That's pretty wild . I mean .

You know . God doesn't always check his inbox first thing in the morning . Look . I'm bad . I'm bad with correspondences . I understand . I'm not God . You think you're better than God ?

No . I think God's better than me . His email inbox is at zero . I find this to be a little bit silly . Yeah . Now . It is always funny to me that whenever we really get down to all of these weirdos comparing everything to movies

like if you go back and look at all of the culture that they compare everything to . It was almost 80 percent and above made by people that they would despise and hate . You know ? But all of their cultural touchstones were made by the very people they are trying to destroy now . And they have no way to figure that out .

Well I mean it's the same thing with like Lori wishing she was 65 so she could get Medicare . Yeah . Exactly . It's the same shit . I want to enjoy all the stuff that you guys make . But I don't want to . Yeah .

Yeah . So we have one last clip here and it's Lori asking if a very important question I would say . That is like you know these demons . Hmm . Can they understand it when you speak in tongues . Like if you're praying in tongues . Can the demons understand you .

So is it true that when you pray in the spirit . You're praying with your heavenly language . That it's going like you were just talking about Batman . It goes straight to God . So can the enemy . Can Satan understand that prayer language . I don't think so . I don't either .

I don't think so . What ? I don't have a scripture in verse for that . But he does that we speak with the tongues of men . And of angels . And so I would say and someone told me I agree with this . That when you pray in tongues you're speaking . You could be speaking in a known language that you don't know .

Right . Like I spoke in French . Exactly . Yeah . Or you could be speaking in an archaic language that used to be in the earth but it's not here anymore . Or you could be speaking in the tongues of angels . And I tell people I say be very careful about criticizing

what a tongue sounds like . You might be insulting an angel . Yeah . You gotta be careful . Don't fuck with the game . Yes . Okay . If someone is speaking in tongues and it sounds a lot like gibberish .

Don't say that . Don't say that . Because that could be angel language . And also it could really . You might be insulting an angel . Really fuck the whole thing up for us . If one person you remember . Have you ever heard that story about that king who wasn't wearing any clothes ?

You know that everybody as long as everybody was like . Yeah . He's wearing clothes . Nobody cared . Everybody was like hey . He's not wearing any clothes . Everybody was like yeah . You're right .

He's an asshole . Yeah . Yeah . Can't have any of those kids . Can't have any of those fucking kids around . Yeah . So I think . I mean I don't know how worthwhile any of this was .

Fantastic . But I thought there was literally no chance . That I could resist telling you about heaven court . Heaven court is just too good . The joy and the mirth . It's just too good . And that's what I would like to bring some of that happiness into the world . And gait the negative feelings that I have about everybody tweeting .

That goddamn stupid Alex Jones meme . Dan . Can devils understand the meme though ? Probably . Can I take Satan to court for that meme ? What damages would you like Dan ? Does God get to decide the damages ? Is there a jury award ?

Can I also add this ? One of the things that I felt was not at all adequately discussed . Sure . And that's why I need to watch more of this guy's content . Right . What if you don't get what you want ? Does that imply that it's not predestined so it's not in the book ? So there was no prophecy for you to take to court .

Right . Or is it possible that you go to court and God says nah . Can you lose a case in heaven's court ? You never really addresses this . Now I don't think it's a good idea to get bogged down with all these little nuances . Yeah . Don't you just want a court where God tells you that you're a good boy ? Well hey .

I do think that when you're talking about heaven's court . Let's get in the weeds with the legalese of it . How do you create a God that's perfect and yet still has to go to court ? I will say that conceptions about court are generally really bogged down in specifics and technicalities . Those are the things that are really important to the law . Yeah . And so I kind of would like to see a little bit more of that . What are the major precedents ?

Yeah . That's what I want to know . Does God respect Brown v. Board of Education ? Is there anything that's been overturned in heaven's court ? Yes . I would like to know . God's still fine with segregation I bet . Probably .

According to these guys . According to these guys for sure . So yeah . We'll be back . I'll get back to Alex Jones on Friday . Sure . But I just had to kick the can down the road . This is a good sneaky side .

It's been a sad couple days . Yeah . But until we are back . We have a website . We do . It's KnowledgeFight.com . Yep . We're also on Twitter .

We are on Twitter . It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight . You can also find us in the docket in heaven's court . Yes . You can . We'll be back . But until then . I'm Leo .

I'm Leo . I'm DZX Clark . I'm Darryl Rundis . And now here comes the sex robots . Andy and Kansas . You're on the air . Thanks for holding . Hello Alex .

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