Knowledge Fight - #599: June 13, 2003

Episode Date: September 24, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan go back to the past while Alex sits in Knowledge Time Out. In this installment, Alex misreports a bunch of stories involving cops, disappoints no less than three callers who want primary sources, and reveals why he does an evil voice when pretending to be one of his villains. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. I missed it at a couple of stores that I had looked for it at, and I finally got my hands on a pack of them, and they are cooling in the fridge as we speak, so I actually haven't tried them yet, but it's gotten, the anticipation is building. Oh, this is going to be such a letdown if it's bad. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to it.

It's going to be an intense emotional experience. It's either going to be, I'm going to get like beach plum merch, like a hat and like a shirt. I'm going to be a little boy back from Disney World. You're just going to be covered head to toe either that or you're going to see the other 11 of these get thrown out my window in fury. I am. I am looking forward to it because it can't possibly just be okay.

Yeah. And the reason is not just because it couldn't be. I'm sure it could be okay, but because it's so built up the tension, it's it's too high. It's going to crack one way or the other. It's not going to just bend. No, and I'm here to make an announcement. What's that next episode of ours? Yes, episode 600.

Oh, shit. I'm going to try the plum live on our show. I will hold out until our next episode so everyone can have the delight of experiencing this along with me. Okay. Too much for much special for our number episodes, but I know that's almost an insult to the idea of doing things for your number episodes feels on brand. It does.

It does. I like it. Yeah. So what about you? What's your bread spot? You know, I don't really have a bright spot this week or today or whatever. So much, you know, I suppose there's a, I have a silver lining. My grandma passed away a couple of days ago and, you know, it's, it's tough, but for the

past three years, it's been, you know, a style of living that I wouldn't aspire to. That's a way to put it. So in, in, you know, it's, it's not good that it's now, but it's not bad that it's, you know, not five years from now, that kind of thing. So there is that it could be, it could be much, much worse. So I guess that's, that's about as close to, you know, a bright spot as I get this week. Wow. It's not great.

No, it's not great. I mean, I could talk about how I'm adjusting to my new medication. Is that better? Maybe it might, it might be. Look, I mean, I don't want to judge you for, you know, having these feelings about your grandma's passing. I don't know. It's just a segment is bright spot.

I don't know. I know. I don't have any bright spots. I guess, I guess you could frame it as the bright spot is that she's not in pain. That's what I was trying to say. Yes. That was my thrust. I'm not sure you said that incredibly well, but I didn't say it incredibly well.

If it was a bright spot, I would probably be more eloquent. Perhaps. Anyway, I'm sorry for your loss, Jordan, and it is, I understand where you're coming from and it's tough. But Jordan, today we have work to be done. I'm not really a human. I don't know how to talk to humans. We have work to be done.

I like it. We have work to be done away with us to the workshop today. We're talking about the past. Yes. We're going to June 13th, 2003, and part of the reason is I decided it's one of the rights that I've retained for myself is that I reserve the right to go back and put Alex on time out whenever I feel it is appropriate. Yeah.

I mean, you have to. After our last episode was so white nationalist and disgusting and racist and xenophobic, I just felt like I don't, I don't even want to, I don't even want to risk emotionally engaging in that. I'm tired of vaccines. And I don't want to risk the audience having to engage with more of that within the same week. We can deal with this down the line, but today we're going back to the greener pastures

of 2003. I'm so happy. They weren't, they weren't really that much greener. Well, I mean, you know, our last episode had me like, do I miss Harrison Smith? Is that what, am I, am I looking for a more boring white nationalism right now? Is that what's disgusting to me? So yes. I don't want to button up white nationalism or weird, I guess I don't want my white

nationalist to rip its shirt off and scream at me while running down the street greased up like a pig. I do not want that. So this is going to be an interesting episode. We have some, some news stories that Alex is covering possibly well, possibly not. And then a really funny thing happens when a caller calls in and wants Alex to produce sources. I like that.

That'll be fun. And we'll get to all that. But first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Reverend Shorty Dewop. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. I would like to hang out with that. Yeah. Yeah. With that. With Reverend Shorty Dewop. It's not a person. That's a robot.

It could be. Yeah. Next, Italic Squirrels. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Next, Nigel. Thank you so much. Thanks, Nigel. Thank you. Next, Pretty Pleased. Do more live streams. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Maybe. I mean, have we ever done one that was ours? Yeah, we did. I mean, not since way back. Not since the way back. Yeah.

You did some videos. Oh, that's true. Or some games. I did do some games. We could play magic. We could. We could do some streaming of us playing magic. We could probably do it.

I could figure it out. If you can figure that out. Maybe we'll do that. We'll see what happens. Next, Steven. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you, Steven. I know. And we got a technocrat out here in the mix. So, ha! Take that, Caroline J. from the Mohawk Nation. Match me on this level. You turnip. Love, Eric J. from the Mohawk Nation.

Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401K doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson, all right?

Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Eric. Yes. Thank you very much, Eric.

So, Jordan. Yes, sir. I realize that it's been a little while since we've had an out of context drop. Maybe it hasn't been, but it feels like it has. Spiritually. Yes. And so, I'm thrilled to start today's episode with an out of context drop. And don't walk outside without your ID or we'll arrest you.

They're a free country. I like to add that voice just to let you know how evil these people are. Oh. So, that's why he does it. Mystery solved. I'm glad in the present, he doesn't feel that he needs to explain that. You know what? I feel like he got it out of the way in 2003.

He had. That was the first time he let anybody know that's why he did the voice. So good. Now it's on the docket and we're good. Just imagine being in his audience is like, why is he doing that voice? Is that voice actually how the person sounded? Is that an impression? So, we start off today's show with Alex covering a story about Massachusetts family who got

in trouble because they didn't want to take a standardized test and an incredible article out of Waltham, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, where the family has these wonderful children. They're almost grown up. They are refusing to let the school system test them. And so, the police came with the CPS workers and kidnapped them and then tried to threaten them with jail if they didn't take the federally mandated test. Now you talk about secret police folks where you get arrested for refusing to take a test when you've been homeschooled your entire life.

It's all about destroying the family. I just, I don't know what story this is. I hear these details and I'm like, all right, I'm going to try and find this story. I got nothing. Nothing. I couldn't find anything. And I noticed that there was this pattern that's kind of developed in the past that is like Alex will throw out these stories.

And it's like, I'm going to have to really dig to figure out what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's intentional. Well, if there was, if his story was true, I feel like it would be easier to go. You know, whenever you go back and look for stories for him as in the past, one of the easiest ways to know it's not true is that it's very hard to find because this story

would be very easy to find. I'm not sure it'd be true. I'm not sure that this one would. This could easily be a bit of a domestic family court type of issue. Sure. That may not have been that big of a deal. Right. This could be a local news story that just isn't there anymore on the website or something

possible of this local news organization possible, but you know, whatever it is, it's either a non story, right, or it didn't happen or there's some lie, right, but it's very difficult to track down. Right. Conversely, I will agree with you that like this next story that Alex is talking about, if this happened, everyone should know about this. Also, every couple months, every, I'd say every four or five months, I see an article where they send a SWAT team into a school full of kids and they shoot officers.

What? They kill officers. What? Shoot children in the face. What? They shoot each other and it's happened again, ladies and gentlemen. We have mainstream news articles in the road of tyranny where they like to shoot children in drills in the face and kill officers.

And they've done it again. The real scourge of the schools is the SWAT teams mainstream news. They've done it again. We'll go over that little tidbit for you as well. So a big show lined up for you today. Would you like to comment on any of these news articles? I have some thoughts. So, so if I understand what he's told me to correctly is that SWAT teams every four

or five months, about three times a year, a SWAT team will go into a school and just mow everyone down and including themselves. Sure. So it's just a big orgy of bullets and we don't know about this. It's yeah, it's not making the news somehow. There's this day, June 13. Yeah. Alex has two stories about this.

They're not one, but two articles today and I see these articles every few months where SWAT teams go into schools, shoot their own officers, guns go off, they shoot a kid in the face, blow half their head off, the child's flopping around in a coma that happened up in Detroit last year in a quote drill, they shot the kid in the face. So at this point, I was kind of getting bewildered to this. It's pretty rare that Alex talks about specific incidents that I can just, I can't find any evidence of having happened. Usually there's some detail that he's getting wrong and it makes it more difficult to track

down leads. But as I was listening to this episode and trying to assess the claims as I heard them, I was struggling. The initial story about the family having the children taken because they wouldn't take a test was intriguing if short on details, but this school shooting is the kind of thing that everyone would have written an article about. This is huge. Yeah.

They're doing a drill and they shoot a kid like that is something that would be change drills for a while at least a big conversation nationally. I'm sure everybody would be like, maybe shooting drills are bad. Yeah. According to Alex, the SWAT team had come to a school in Detroit to do a drill and they shot a kid in the face and I think that would be a huge deal and I find it hard to believe that I can't find any news stories about this happening and that it did happen. But then Alex kept talking and it became clear that I think he's just making stuff

up. Well, it's happened again and this time by the grace of God in both cases, the guns just went off. The guns just went off in the classrooms during the drills and of course last year, the four start telegram reported cop of the year who had recently been transferred to the SWAT team in a school drill in the school with children was shot in the head by one of the other officers and died on the spot. So within a couple of minutes, now the story seems to be that a year prior a cop shot another

cop in the head at a school drill. Right. I don't know if this is the same story or like what I don't know what's going on. This still isn't good, but you definitely can see that this doesn't appear to be the same story. I think something that's very important to involve in this is that zero SWAT teams. True. So the upside is now I actually know what some of the details of that story are and I have

a better chance of tracking down the story. The thing is, the only thing I can find that's close doesn't even match the second version of Alex's story. So I believe that Alex is talking about Corporal Joseph Cushman based on the details of the story that he's telling. Cop of the Year. Cushman was involved in a training exercise at an area junior high school and was engaged in a demonstration with another officer when their gun fired and shot Cushman in the head.

There are some really critical details that match up with Alex's narrative. For instance, this was a police officer who was shot in the head within the general timeframe of when Alex was saying this was supposed to have happened. Cushman was not named cop of the year if that's a thing, but he was the police department's rookie of the year in 1999 and he'd been promoted a day before he was killed. Alright, so he had about a 98-99 mile an hour fastball. But there are these details also that don't match up. For one, this didn't happen in Detroit, it happened in Arlington, Texas.

Second, Alex is saying that this happened around children, but that's not true. The school district was on summer vacation and there were no students on campus when they were doing the training. There were 200 students enrolled in summer school classes, but those classes ended at noon and this exercise began at 3pm. Third, Cushman didn't die on the spot, he was taken by helicopter to John Peter Smith Hospital and was pronounced dead at 7.30 that evening. I'm fairly sure Joseph Cushman is the cop that Alex is talking about, at least partially

because the reference to the story is the Fort Worth Star Telegram, which is a paper that would be much more likely to cover an accidental police shooting in Arlington, Texas than one in Detroit. This story itself is horrifying and it's a good argument against many things like cops using real guns and training exercises or having guns, cops using schools to stage training at all. Having any guns at all, yeah. You could take the actual details of the story and use it to make the points you want,

but Alex is basically just addicted to lying. He can't tell a straight version of the story even if it works for some of his points. He still needs to sensationalize it by adding children being present and SWAT teams. I want to say this because I feel like I could be bordering on offensive in some respect. I don't know if there was an incident where a student got shot in a school in Detroit by a cop during an exercise. I will allow that there is a possibility that this is true. I can't find the story that Alex is talking about, but I don't want to be like that didn't

happen on the off chance that there is some real incident and there's a real tragedy that Alex is in some way mischaracterizing. In the world that we live in, it is more possible that something like that happened or at least possible enough that were it true, everybody would be like, okay, that happened is part of the story, but Alex can still be lying about it even if it happened somewhere else. It's not like he remembers it or that kind of thing. I can't tell what's going on in terms of what the stories are, but I can find this clear case of what he's talking about the cop of the year.

I can't figure out what he's talking about in terms of Detroit and I don't know if they're supposed to be the same story. I just don't want to be disrespectful on the off chance that there is a story that I missed. Totally understand. I just cover it basically. This is 20 years ago. Yeah. There's another story that Alex has that makes the point that the SWAT teams are evil.

They use special weapons and tactics. No shit. More cops are being killed in love with last year that was the famous case with a giant armored vehicle. The guy's wife had left him. He was throwing her stuff out in the front yard, throwing a fit, was distraught. They came to the house. He didn't have any guns.

They came in. There's video and audio of all this, the red and green team went in on two sides of the house, shot two of their own officers, killed one of them. They planted a gun on the guy, tried to frame him, a good cop who responded on the scene, blew the whistle, and nothing happened to the officers that tried to frame someone and who killed a fellow officer and wounded another one, but at least the innocent man did not go to jail for that. So one of the things that I think it's really key to understand and recognize is the way

that Alex uses vagueness as a weapon when he tells his stories and he always has. He doesn't get into specifics or even give enough detail for you to really know what story he's talking about because these stories aren't here to be accurate representations of things that happen. They exist to evoke feelings that support his worldview. This case from Lubbock is about Sergeant Kevin Cox who was shot and killed during a July 13th, 2001 standoff at the home of Richard Robinson. Robinson had barricaded himself in the house following a fight with his wife, apparently

also in the process setting some small fires in his front yard. So the police were trying to gather information about the case and that they learned that Robinson had, quote, talked to a relative earlier in the day about suicide. While the police were attempting to approach the house and throw in some gas, shooting broke out and in the confusion of it all, it wasn't clear how it had all gotten started. When the dust settled, Cox had been fatally shot and Robinson was arrested and charged with his shooting. However, upon analysis of the 13 guns he had, which Alex is weirdly reporting as zero guns,

the police determined that Robinson had not actually fired any guns during the standoff so he couldn't have possibly shot Cox. Yeah. A week later on July 20th, Robinson was released and the charges were dropped. His lawyer told the Lubbock Avalanche Journal, quote, we're so pleased that the police didn't try to cover anything up and the district attorney's office did the right thing. Ultimately, it was determined that another officer had fired the bullet that killed Cox and there was no good reason for the shooting to have broken out in the first place, except

some kind of like, you know, conversations about in insufficient training, that kind of thing. Yeah, I would like taking their guns away, but that's fine. The big message of this story is that cops need better training and that maybe in a situation like the one Robinson was in, militarized police aren't the best approach. Possibly better outcomes could have been reached if social workers or mental health professionals were dispatched instead. Maybe we'd all be better off if we took some of that funding that goes to the police and

diverted it to better approaches to complicated situations like the one that this man was at. It'd be so cool if Alex had still hated the police. Like he and I would be like a lot cool on a lot cooler terms. I don't think so. If he still hated the police, you know? I think it would be easier for you to be tricked into believing that he wasn't a horrible bigot monster.

No, no. If you're, just cause you're a horrible, just cause you hate the cops doesn't mean I'm not, I'm going to forget you're a horrible bigot, but it would make things a little bit smoother for me. There's a whole lot of people who I think are piles of shit, who have a distrust of billionaires. You know, doesn't really mean that much. Definitely true.

So Alex has taken this story and fudged some of the details to make the central narrative about the police trying to frame this guy when the information doesn't support that narrative at all. In order for Alex to fit this square peg into a round hole, he has to lie about things like whether or not Robinson had a gun. He has to create this fiction about the police planting a gun on him and a good guy cop on the scene blowing the whistle. Alex is a liar, but it's important to understand that he has to be in order to maintain the

political beliefs he holds. He could not deal with stories honestly and still have the same points. Yeah, of course. Makes because reality does not back these things up. Yeah. I mean, part of what we're dealing with is that as much as he's talking to everybody else on his radio show, he's also convincing himself that he's not a monster, you know? So, fuck.

But look, dude. What? You gotta worry about these SWAT teams. I mean, yeah. SWAT team member blows their other members head off or shoots them in the back because they're all stumbling around in the dark with shotguns and MP5s to each other's backs in stocked up formation. That's stupid.

They're going to kill you on average and plant a gun on you. This is horrible and it needs to stop, but it's not going to stop. It's going to get worse because Homeland Security is going to increase the funding of it. I heard it on the news right here in Austin. Are they going to increase the funding of police departments? Are they going to increase the funding of them planting guns on you when they kill each other? If, if this is unspecific, if they are going to ramp up their murdering slash covering

up the murder and framing people, they will need to allocate more funds for guns to leave at the scene. Uh huh. So I suppose they will have to, DHS is probably going to have to increase funding for that. I mean, look, yeah, there's a fine conversation to have about the, you know, problems with policing. Yes, there is. This is childish.

This is bad. This is bad. This diverts you from an actual conversation into like, oh, they're going to kill you and plant a gun on you. Okay. Okay, buddy. All right. Um, which is not to say that they don't do that shit, but not every time, not every

time. They don't have a budget for it. That's the point. So one of the things that I think is really fascinating when you go back to 2003, Jordan, is you start to see things that Alex has an awareness of that he doesn't seem to have an awareness of in the present, maybe primary aspects of his brand are misunderstandings that he didn't have in the past. Weird.

Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange. Like for instance, there's one caller calls in on this, uh, this here, June 13th show. Okay. And he's mad about G Gordon Liddy, right? Sure. So G Gordon Liddy is on the radio.

Right. This guy, he calls in. He's like, how does it feel to be on a station that's full of censorship? And, uh, it's almost quaint to hear people bitch about G Gordon Liddy. Sure. It's almost like, oh, yeah. I remember that. Your station is censoring.

Yeah. Get him. What's the proof? What's the proof of this? And the proof is they won't have Alex's show on their air. See, right? Proof. Alex understands that this kind of thing is not censorship.

And, uh, you know, I have mixed feelings with him about Mr. Liddy. Uh, you know, really, I don't want to do a whole show about him. Right. And, uh, I just wanted him to know that, uh, he was on a radio station that would not allow your program to go on the air. Oh, you talked about me? No, I, I, before I could get to him, he cut me off. But before I could mention that, that he was on a station that would not allow your program

on the air. I wanted to get his feelings about that thing that censorship is alive and well in this country. We know that Erwin Schiff's book was banned, the federal mafia. Well, I've got to tell you that if a newspaper or a radio station doesn't want to have somebody on the air, that's not censorship. That's their right. Right.

But if they heavily censor all the calls and don't let certain views come out, if it's an open call format, that is wrong. What we need to foster is a loosening of the FCC rules and the four stations to really serve the local community and to at least have some local programs because that's what the airwaves are. They belong to the people. That's where you attack the subject. I mean, the station doesn't want to have me on the air.

That's their right. It's a free country. You know, I've had people tell me before, well, you won't post my comments on your website. You're censoring me. Well, no, they can go start their own website. So it's not censorship to not have someone's information if you don't agree with it. Oh, really? So you're saying it would be someone's right to not have someone on their platform.

I mean, certainly that seems spelled out by the comments thing there. Yeah, it seems as though censorship, you know, that's, that's, it's, he knows that it's not that. Right. Like if you have an internet platform that, you know, you own right and you don't want somebody on there who's a real piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You could call it something like Britter or kind of it would be your right. Brute tube. It's free country. Yeah. It is a free country. Weird. Yep.

Strange. So strange. Oh, Alex gets it and then conveniently doesn't. It is almost like they're all making it up as they go along, depending on what they think will benefit the most in the exact moment they are existing with no long-term plans whatsoever. What's profitable and expedient. Yeah. So Alex gets another call and this actually charmed me quite a bit.

This was a caller who's writing a paper and wants Alex's help. Oh no. Okay. Okay. I don't think he does a great job. But he does do a good job of revealing very quickly that he has no idea what the person is talking about. There we go.

Randy in Texas. Randy, you're on the air. Go ahead. Hey, Alex. Welcome. I'm writing a paper from my school about the ethical arguments if there is one for regime change in Iran. And I just wanted to get you take on the riots that were going on for the past 24 hours there.

Do you think that this is possibly a rehash of the 1953 CIA? Well, why don't you talk about the riots from people that missed it and I was going to get to that. Tell folks what's happening right now. Basically, they're rioting in the streets against the democratically elected President Khatami over there and trying to oust the Muslim clerics that are- Then they put the shaw in and after the 52 tortured people was incredibly brutal and made Saddam look like a fire boy and then, of course, they got the opposite extreme of

that without a total of him any. Well, gee, I wonder if the riots are caused by the CIA. Yeah, that's fascinating. That response is so weird because Randy starts talking about like the present day situation in 2003 and Alex cuts her off and starts talking about the shaw. He just gets it to his talking points and the little bullets that he remembers. His move there, which she should have called out immediately. That move where he goes, you know, like, oh, I was about to talk about that.

Why don't you explain what's going on? That it was an instant like, dude, you have no idea what's going on. You fucking liar. That is, hey, why don't you explain it for what's going on? Why don't you explain it for the rest of the crowd? Obviously, I know what you're talking about, but you can explain it better than I could. You're more eloquent. You've got too many words for you not to explain it over me.

You're calling in to ask for help with a high school paper, presumably a high school paper, maybe college, but you could explain this better than I can. I think that there are people whose way of engaging is a little more socratic, and that is something that I would believe from someone else. Why don't you explain what's going on? Because then you can get a better sense of what their understanding of what's happening is. You can figure out, you know, the way you'd like to take the conversation.

Indeed. It's fucking foreign for Alex. He rambles about everything. He let her talk for five seconds before he started talking about the show. He has no idea what she said. No idea. No idea. So this caller also needs a citation.

God, I want, I want that in just a 16 year old girl. It's like I am writing a paper about one of the most consequential issues of our day. I am going to call in to the only man who speaks the truth because you can't trust the mainstream media. So I'm going to get his take on it, sir. Could you explain it? You don't know it. You don't know a fucking thing.

You don't know anything. You don't know a goddamn thing. I told you finally disillusioned with this. CIA bad. Yeah. So this caller also needs a little citation of something Alex has talked about and it's this is not good. Not going to go well.

And also I wanted to ask you a question. I'm trying to write about the neocons and I was wondering how, where can I go to get some information on how to connect them to this Leo Strauss? Okay. That was in Reuters. It was in the times of Asia. It was in several other papers that one headline was neocons dance to a Straussian wall.

Okay. This is just an editorial article from the Asia Times that Alex is telling this student to use as their primary source about the connection between Leo Strauss and neoconservatism. Oh my God. That's just an asshole teaching the next generation to do a bad job. I think you can make a compelling argument that there's some connection between Strauss and the leaders of the neoconservative movement from at least an ideological perspective. You can find some overlaps, but you shouldn't rely wholly on the headline of an op-ed to

do so. If you know anything about the subject you're covering, Alex should be able to point to anything. If you're a teacher and someone in their work cited page, which has an editorial, that's not good. That's not going to fly. Yeah. I mean, it is fascinating to notice that any right wing shit head propagandist is absolutely going to fail any high school test.

Yes. Anything. Hold them to the standards that you would hold a high school or two, and they will fail miserably. Alex has had 15 years to come up with a bibliography for end game, and if I were in a high school teacher, I would throw that in the trash. Flunk. Yeah.

Incomplete. Get out of here. Yeah. So Alex has another thing he wants to yell at this young lady about where he can prove that neocons are actually communists. Sure. What? Yeah.

You can find it at the national post. It's also on info wars.com. Go to the national post.ca in Canada, their big paper type in, the ghost of Trotsky walks the halls of the White House and will admit that all the neocons are admitted fourth international communist. Okay. Mainstream national postal communist. All right.

Well, thank you very much, Alex. You bet. That'll really make your liberal professor stumble around in a confused, deprogrammed fashion. I doubt it. I'm confused. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

That's just another op-ed. Excuse me. Excuse me, child. Where did you get this shit? Wait. Alex Jones himself told you to do that. Wait. This is 2003.

You'd be like, who's Alex Jones? Who the fuck is Alex Jones? Yeah. Why are you taking his advice? Dear God. I'm your fucking teacher. These is just like really awful work being mirrored or being modeled for this student. Like it's just, if they learned from this like how you're supposed to present your information

like we're doomed. I think the deflation, I heard a tone of deflation in her voice. So I would. I think so. I would suggest that she learned from this experience, though not what she was hoping to. And she will not be the last caller to be disappointed by Alex on this episode. So Alex, he's like, you know, that teacher of yours.

And you tell him that the fucking mainstream media has admitted that neocons are communists. He's a freak out. When he's faced with that, he'll like, cannot compute, cannot compute, cannot compute. And a lot of times when the smoke's done coming out their pea brain, they will wake up, become gun owners, become pro-literity constitutionalists and will deprogram out of the left wing control system. Alex has no idea anything about this teacher. Nope.

He doesn't know if it's a man. He doesn't know it. It's a lefty. Anyone in education, anyone in education is a leftist communist monster does not compute. Oh man. Oh no. Oh no. You've shown me an op-ed.

I've got to go buy a gun. That is, it is really funny, that foundational myth that they, they have about their knowledge of like, it's going to wake up people on the left. And their examples are always somebody who's like, I've never paid attention to politics at all. And these guys showed me a YouTube video and now I want to buy guns. It's never somebody who's like, yeah, I have a education. It's not going to happen.

Nope. Oh well. So Alex in the present day loves Michael Savage. Actually, I haven't heard him talk about it in a while, but he, the last we heard, he loved Michael Savage. Back in the day. Because Savage is a patriot. Right.

They like Trump. Sure. Turns out 2003, Alex hated Michael Savage. You see, when you find out that Michael Sabbage's are dirty, oily, slimy beatniks, then the deprogramming can begin. You find out these neocons are the scum of the earth, total and complete trash. They tell you, oh yeah, we're for your guns while passing gun control. Oh yeah, we're for the borders.

We'll open the borders. See, they're Trojan horses. They're enemy cloaked attack ships. Let's recognize them. Let's decloak them. Let's pull away the veils. So what I would like is Alex to wrestle with or have a discussion about what changed about Michael Savage between 2003 and let's say 2019, or I would like him to have a conversation

about what he misread in 2003 and how wrong he was about Michael Savage being a wolf in sheep's clothing and a greasy hippie. Right. Right. I have never considered Michael Savage a, I wrote it down, a dirty, oily, slimy beatnik. Well, he was, he was a beatnik kind of guy early on in the 60s and 70s. Sure. Now that, that I understand.

Yeah. I don't, I don't get that in 2003. No, no. He was hanging out with like Ginsburg and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I remember hearing about that. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's what Alex is responding to. This of his history makes him a dirty beatnik and it's like, uh, no. So I would, yeah, he wouldn't like to find out very well how the beatniks, especially the ones that were involved there all kind of wound up being nutbags. Interesting. Yeah. So Alex had that caller who was writing the paper and I think he realized like, well,

I better pretend that I was going to talk about this Iran stuff, better figure out what I'm going to do. There is a great prediction on Alex's part about what's going to happen in Iran. Now they tell us a month ago that they want to destabilize Iran to the student movements controlled by global intelligence agencies and reinstall relatives of the shot, reinstall a hereditary dictatorship, put in a literal monarchy and now the foolish MTV generation over there. And I'm not defending me.

I had told us or any of those guys, but they have free elections now, stopped a lot of their restrictions. They're a sovereign nation. Hmm. So yeah, that's interesting. I don't think this has come to pass at this point. The relatives of the show. Oh, I haven't seen the shot come back in a new monarchy like a, like a King Arthur situation.

I imagine is what we're talking about. Good. Good. I mean, Alex is more right than like all other news media stuff. He's always right. Yeah. It's real tough to go from a theocracy back to a monarchy. You know, the theocracy, the religious people don't let going back to a monarchy.

No, no. I think we're only a few years away from, uh, I'm a dinner shot coming to Alex is going to deal with free elections, free elections. So Alex, uh, you know, just write about everything just so, so, so, so right. And I don't know how he nailed this prediction, but it was just spectacular. And they want to put like a chip in those. And now they have. Well, that's to make it a credit card as well.

Real quick, he's talking about driver's licenses or state IDs. Sure. So when they bankrupt the economy, like Argentina, they will then put your monthly credits. It will seize your bank account and allow you $200 a month. And then you'll all have to go into government housing and then they'll that they are going to form work projects, but of course they'll have to guard the important work projects. So Governor Ridge has announced the army will be there with M16s overseeing you with the work project.

They have weaponry that can melt those chips though. Well, you put it in the microwave, but then when you try to go in the store to buy food because of the new national sales tax, you won't be able to buy food, man. It's a casual society. Yeah, man. I mean, you just, I don't know how he was so ahead of his time. I love that. I want more conversations with callers like that where he's like, they're going to do

this whole thing with computer chips and they're going to put it in and then they're going to kill you. There are weapons to melt them, but they've got weapons to melt those computer chips. And he's like, okay, well, you could put it in a microwave. That's one way to do it. Okay. You can go through there, but then they're going to come back to your home and she's like, ah, but what if I put it in a bigger microwave?

Like, yeah, just all day, but if I put it in a microwave and I freeze it, just go all the way. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I find this to be stupid. Why? Well, one big reason is like at this point, Alex is less talking about the devil being the big bad guy and it's the banks are the big bad guys.

Why the fuck would the banks destroy their own industry in order to make all state IDs credit cards? Like they would ruin the entire basis of their financial power. No, no, no. See, once you have money, you realize it's about power. Right. So money turns into power, but when you have power, you don't need money. No, you do.

They're interconnected in a certain sense. You might say that. You might argue that. Yeah. It does feel like this. This era of the show feels a little bit more like sci-fi dystopia stuff, poorly thought out schemes. Yes.

Yes. That's a good way. That's what I would describe this as. It does have a feeling of Alex just sitting there laying back being like, all right, if I was going to torture everybody, how would I do it? Villains acting against their self-interest. The power. Ta-da.

So Alex gets another caller and this guy has a great, great ask and it's, hey, Alex, you know all those documents you got. Why don't you put them on a floppy disk because we could look at them. I think that's a great ask. Dun dun dun. That is the most normal question anyone could have for Alex. Okay. Hey, Alex, I believe you.

Now, can I get them documents? Alex can't do it though. Oh, no. Roy in Michigan, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah. I'd like to say the data that you've got there, like the manuals from the different police departments and all that type of thing, you know, if you was to put that type of thing

on the floppy disk, I know I would sure be happy to buy the floppy disk, Rubio, and that I could put it on my computer and take it right off copies of that to get that data out there. Well, I mean, the manuals, the video clips on CD-ROM, the stuff I've got is just repeats of the same stuff over and over again. I understand it, but see you. So if you had it like organized, like this big B, all the data that you've got from 9-1-1, all the different newspaper articles and all that type of thing.

Here's the problem. Okay. Here's the problem. I did two hours in Salt Lake City yesterday in the morning, then I did a 45-minute interview, then I did my own show, then I did two live TV shows. I did an hour on Jeff Rents. I then got to bed at about 2 a.m. and I was up at 6.30 this morning doing more interviews and then doing some errands.

So I'm sorry, I just can't do it. No, I wasn't thinking about yourself personally, but maybe somebody there, luckily, because you have the access to the, like, I can't get the manuals. Where would I get the manuals for, give it to the police departments and as far as they're trading? Well, you have some of the manuals and video of them and news articles in the road to tyranny. This is the nightmare. I understand that.

This is the worst conversation. There's an answer to the ban you were you could download it from a floppy disk and distribute it. Law enforcement magazines like the firearms and weapons of law enforcement in April issue 2001, lot of the virtues of torture. I've got other mainstream law enforcement magazine listeners fax me. Okay. That's not what I was asking.

This is amazing. We've got two classic, classic moves by people who have no idea what they're talking about. We've got the, why don't you explain it? And now we've also got the like, look, I'm just too busy. Can I, can I ask also who the fuck are all these people who are interviewing Alex? Like, what are the two live TV shows that he had to go on at the same day? Two live TV shows. I can't imagine that he's actually this busy in 2003.

Hey, he would love to put all of these world shattering documents onto a floppy disk and then sell them to this guy. But he just doesn't have the time to, I would, I would very, very, very sincerely argue. And I would have probably in 2003 too, that if Alex was sincere about what he was doing, his stated mission, what he's pretending to be, he has a moral obligation to make this floppy disk. Because if what he's saying is accurate, then everyone must know. You know what I mean?

And if this is the proof, then the proof needs to be seen by everybody. Now the problem with that is once you reveal your proof, you reveal what can be critiqued. Once you lay your proof on the table, someone like Dan can come along, take a look at it and be like, oh wait, this doesn't say what you think it says. See, this is why we... This is a lie. You're ruining the fun. See?

This is what happens when I put all of my stuff out here, Dan shows up and makes me look like a fool. I could have had a 30 year long career. I understand. Look, I don't want to be a jerk. I don't want to be a jerk. And like honestly, I'd be on your team if you're pretending to anything. I really would.

I would join. You know, you know, this is not... I wouldn't be a racist. This is the problem. I would hate the... Conditional love. Conditional love is what I get from you. It's not love.

Unconditional love. No. You give me conditional love. You're mistaking believing and love. I don't think unconditional believing is ever healthy. Well, let me... You're not for this place. Get out of here.

I'm going to need to see your computer chip ID and put it in the microphone. I don't think I have a place in the Republic of Texas. I don't think you have a place in the Republic. Yeah, I loved that exchange because that guy, like the questions are straight up. They are like, all right, yeah. I see what you're saying. I know you're busy, but there's got to be someone else who could put this together. Like, I'm not talking about you personally.

Oh, yeah. Nah. Hey, did you know that law enforcement magazines say stuff? Sir, I was expecting you to take no for an answer at least the second or third time. Now that you have gone to number four, I am very angry at you. This goes on and actually Alex has a whole nother reason why he can't do this. Of course he does. It's just amazing.

More and more excusable. You're saying take it all and stick it in one place. Or to take it to be able to take it to buy those from you, like I'm sure they're at Austin. You could find hundreds of guys that are in the same position I am trying to get that information out. I can't legally take things out of whole cloth and just resell other people's stuff. Really? I can copy right as your argument.

I've got copyright infringement to worry about. Wholesale dump, the ADL, the Southern Primary Law Center and the FBI's training manuals on CDs and show them. Yeah, I wasn't realizing that you had some complication there, but I do that. Yeah, I can't say take. You could take it. Oh, and now he got the positive. That's 984 and reprint it and show it.

That's it. Uh-huh. Wow. Oh man, did you see that one brief moment of weakness that the other guy had and he was like, bounce. Yeah. I can't do it. You just can't do it.

Because I've brought up the specter of copyright law and this guy has decided to take that seriously. And now this is my reason for not providing evidence. This one makes sense. I'm fine with this one. This one will work. So dumb. So dumb.

Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. Copyright law. Alex can't prove that the globalists have these evil plans because he'd get sued for copyright infringement. Listen, listen, I would love to tell you that my boss has murdered 38 people, but I signed an NDA. I'm sorry.

If true, Alex is a rank coward. Yeah. Oh yeah. I know he's lying, but even if you take everything he's saying seriously, he's so afraid of getting a copyright lawsuit that he can't save the world. Listen, I would love to save millions of lives. I would love to, but I am shoestring budget here. You know?

I'm paycheck to paycheck. Right. Yeah. Right. And that's why you need to take something like this, conversation like this that has been thoroughly embarrassing and turn it into a money making proposition. So that's really the place to start is with my films and you need to get them folks. You need to get them and make copies.

You need to educate people now. We've got the tools to wake up America. We've got the tools to educate the people about who the real terrorists are, about who the real enemy combatants are. So before we can put them on your calls into the news, I hope that everybody goes to end foe wars.com or prison planet.com and I hope you'll order my films today. The solution is always something that will benefit Alex. It's something within his revenue streams.

That is, that is just the direction this ship goes and it's fascinating to see it just play out so predictably with this caller who like, I don't like, I obviously don't think I would agree with much that this caller believes probably probably not. But I do think that from everything that they're bringing to the table and everything the way the conversation tracks, I think they're being sincere. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's, and that's why Alex hates it more than anything else is because he's coming

with a certain level headed monotone credibility to him. I just like that tone of voice is like, listen, I believe you, I just want to get everything. I want to do what's best for the info war. Exactly. I'll be actively engaged in it. I'm willing to. I'll leave you. Clearly I'm dedicated.

Sure. Yeah. And I just need these tools for you. How am I supposed to get these manuals that you have of, and it's just sad that that is sad. Mm hmm. That is, that is one of those ultimate like, if that guy didn't lose confidence there, copyright law, if that guy didn't lose confidence with that, then you're, you're in Alex's crew

forever because that's a don't meet your hero's level of like, Oh no, you're a, you're a, you're a massive disappointment, aren't you? Copyright law. Oh shit. So Alex gets back to the story about the family in Waltham, Massachusetts, and we can finally get some details on that. Here's an amazing story. And I'm going to get these people on the show.

You'll be hearing them on the show. They'll come on. This is out of the Metro West Daily News out of Massachusetts, Waltham, a legal battle over two homeschooled children exploded into a seven hour standoff yesterday, but they refused to take a stair standardized test again, a legal battle over two homeschooled children exploded into a seven hour standoff yesterday when they refused to take a standardized test ordered by the department of social services. So this is almost two hours into the show now where Alex finally gives details about

this story that he started the show talking about. So it's, you know, this family got in trouble because they didn't want to take a test. Sure. It seems like on the second telling, there's an additional bit of information. There's some more details. He does say the people's names and like you can just search for these sentences that he's cold reading. You can find what he's talking about.

It's pretty hard to find the actual article that Alex is reading, but you can find the text copy and pasted on all kinds of right wing message boards, mostly around mid June 2003, right? When this episode is airing. Sounds about right. If I had to guess, I would say that Alex is probably just reporting this straight off AR15.com. The most full version of this article I can find is on free republics message board.

And I don't think that this is a real article. I mean, I think it might be a real article, but it's possibly like, I don't know how much of this is. Is it apocryphal kind of like that meme where the soldiers in the professor's classroom and the professor says something, the soldier stands up and he's like, I love America. And then the professor like gives him 50 bucks or whatever it is. Have you ever seen those memes? No.

Oh, it's the same thing. What I'm talking about is like this article quotes the department of social service worker named Susan Etzkowitz as saying, quote, we have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit. They are minors and they will do what we tell them to. Okay. I absolutely do not believe that's a quote, but it's presented as such in this article. But if you look closely, you'll see that this quote is actually, you know, it's being reported

in this article, but it's actually a second hand thing. No, that's not a surprise. It's a quote from Eskowitz that was relayed to the reporter by the family, but is being included in the article as if it's a quote. This is not appropriate presentation of the story and it speaks volumes about whoever originally wrote this piece. Wow. Do you think the family might have had like a, I don't know, maybe like a personal interest

that might have colored perhaps their interpretation of the quote? Yeah. And it may have also like it might, the article might be a little bit one sided. Oh yeah. That's possible. As best as I can tell, this was one in a long string of incidents involving this family's approach to homeschooling. Apparently the district that they lived in, the school district, their policy about homeschooling

requires that educational plans be filed and that there is a set grading system in place for the students, two things that this family refused to comply with according to the article. Sure. So also according to the article, the parents lost legal custody of the children in 2001, but it doesn't say what for exactly and overall this is a mess and it's not just about a test. Yeah. I'm really, I, when they said it was about a test, I was like, let's see what happens. But now I'm starting to guess that there's more than the test.

Well, maybe the kernel of the present story has to do with this test, but it's not about that. Right. What's going on is a much larger situation that, you know, a lot of that context and the, the stuff that fills in the picture is stuff that Alex is conveniently ignoring. Right. Because this story is a prop for him and actually looking at the details and reporting out the story as it exists, probably make it a less useful prop.

Yeah. Yeah. And why would you do that? They don't seem like the most sympathetic heroes that he's trying to paint them as. Yeah. And, and you know, I mean, it's just so predictable. Like Alex just reads through this story and listen to this. Let me read what, let me read what this monster said again.

Let me find it. Let me find what this DSS worker said. Let me find it. We have legal custody. This is a quote. We have legal custody of the children and we will do them as, let me read it again. This is a quote. We have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit.

DSS worker Susan Esther Kovitz told the Bryant's in their Gale Street home. She continued, they are minors and they do what we tell them to do. Close quote. I like that the close quote was still in the deal with the witch voice. Yeah, that is really nice that he did the voice. That's commitment to the bed. Yeah. Close quote.

Did Moskovitz include that in her quote? Yeah, probably. Close quote. I will kill the children. Close quote. Make sure you quote me on that. But at that point, do not quote this part of the statement. One of the things that's so important though is now we know why he did the voice.

Yeah. Thankfully that's been cleared up. That has been cleared up. It is nice. It is nice to know now. Yeah. So the only part of the story that he can, he really latches onto and sort of can really bring to life is this quote that's a second hand thing.

Yeah. The family said that this lady said that's being presented as a quote in this story. Yeah. It's just trash. This is just bad. Yeah. Yeah. This is that level of dispute that you find on like a Judge Judy episode where they're

like telling you the story about Moskovitz and then Judge Judy asked like three questions and they're like, okay, well, maybe she didn't say that. It's a excavation. Maybe she didn't say exactly. You know, maybe she didn't say that in word for word. I'm not in court. I wouldn't say she said that word for word. Yeah.

You know, but she said it. Yeah. Yeah. I find this to be, I mean, this is kind of what Alex's niche is like at this point. I mean, he just finds like a couple of headlines and rambles about them sometimes does some characters. Yeah. And that's an easy job.

It's pretty sweet. Yeah. That's nice. That's nice. All you're doing is TV interviews and avoiding work that could help people. Yeah. And I might have stayed right in that sweet pocket at sweet pocket. Yeah.

That's where you want to go. Yes. That's where you want to go. Like Icarus. He flew too close to the sun. Can't do it with all those supplements. It's going to make you sad. So he's got another story.

And this is actually the story that he was talking about earlier, which is there. He has his headlines about the shooting at schools by the SWAT teams. Sure. He said there's two stories today. Okay. He's got one. But then look who's really doing stuff with guns. That is the line.

News. Police officer gun goes off during drill inside Manatee High School in Florida. Training drills are nothing new for Brandon police officers. But alive bullet fired inside a high school is certainly not procedure. Deborah Green thought it was a clear backfire, a car backfiring. I was inside cleaning and heard a loud noise that green pretty scary as it turns out, the noise was a gunshot during a routine drill on Tuesday at Brandon police officer's accident.

He accidentally went off inside the Manatee High School classroom. According to the school board critical incident response report, the bullet went into a classroom wall. No one was heard. But the incident left some wondering how this could have happened. Well, they killed top of the year last year in Fort Worth in a drill with kids in the room. Blow his head off in front of him.

That was nice. Last year they shot a kid in the face in up in Detroit in a drill in the school. Just shoot a little kid in the face. That's okay. So again, I find some of the details definitely wrong about the past drills that Alex is talking about. And some of them questionable. I'm not entirely sure.

And also, yeah, so this drill that in the Florida thing, I couldn't get a sense of if there were kids around at all. Again, it's during the summer. Right. So like, I think that in the, Well, I mean, if the SWAT teams ran in started blowing children away and themselves, then yes, there would have had to be kids. In the article about this Florida drill, there's a reference to the football coach who was

having a camp. Right. And he couldn't, he didn't even hear the gunshot. Okay. So presumably there's like a summer football camp that's going on outside and away. And maybe they're, they're in some area of the school where there's nobody, nobody is at. Yeah.

One of their guns went off because they didn't empty the holster or empty the chamber and it went to the wall. Sure. Like obviously awful and bad, but not rising to the level that Alex is right. Right. Is presenting again. It was not SWAT teams going in and blowing everyone and themselves away. No, no.

And that seems like a dumb way to talk about this. That is a terrible way to talk about this. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So we got one last clip. Alex gets another call and it seems like a theme on this show. Yeah.

I just wanted to track that. All right. That particular article down here mentioned the fourth socialist international. And then you remember that article about Wolsey in World War four? Is that still available at your website? Do you have any idea? Well, yeah, we post the articles hundreds of them a day and you can go find them if you like.

Okay. Wow. I do. I like that. I like that. Go. Yeah. Be gone with thee.

I think he might have had a better answer if he hadn't have dealt with this same kind of thing twice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Callers needing some kind of like, hey, what are you talking about? Look, copyright law. Honestly, I bet he remembers this show.

Three callers asking him for fucking documents. That must have been his worst show in the history of the world. It's pretty nuts because it doesn't happen that often. Right. He remembers this specific day. His nightmares. Exactly. Yeah.

People won't stop asking me for proof. I find it so interesting that he's hung up on copyright law when he, without permission, reposts other people's news stories on info wars and re-headlines them. Sure. But he's paying them an exposure. Oh, sure. He's paying for their content. Why are you paying the SPLC an exposure to?

Well, he can't pay the globalists for exposure. Okay. And he's not going to give them money in a lawsuit. So there's just nothing he can do. Yeah. He signed an NDA. Holy shit. Very unconvincing display today here from Alex.

Not good. I'm not going to get over that. That dude was like, oh, well, copyright. Copyright law. That was the one where he was like, wow, that's international or intergalactic treaty shit all over again. These people believe in weird intractable laws for some reason. Maritime.

Yeah, exactly. I don't understand it. Yeah. I would like it if Alex was just like, all right, the copyright law thing didn't work and then he just yells tariffs. Yeah, exactly. So just whatever. Yeah.

He yells something. I won't submit to a FOIA request. Yeah. So, you know, we come to the end of this and Alex is still waiting on that floppy disk. Maybe let's get that thing put together. We do have that Microsoft Encarta CD that was pretty heavily used in Endgame, right?

Well, I mean, you got to go get a physical copy of the CD. It's going to be tough. Yeah. So yeah, we'll be back. You know, I think I think this episode is a little bit shorter and I've had a little bit of stuff going on this week. So I've been a little bit a little bit busy and also Alex in the present days on timeout and I think it's hilarious that these callers keep asking him for

just kept going and it's got nothing so good. But we will be back Jordan on Monday for episode 600. It's true. Seltzer awaits. Plum 600. It's going to be hard for me not to drink that before. You know what? Listen, you're a performer.

Not that good. You can drink it before and then really ramp it up. On show day, you got to bring it though. No, I don't think I can. I don't think I can do that. I can't artificially. Look, there might be artificial flavors, but I can't be artificial. No, don't you do it.

All right, we'll be back. All right, we'll be back. But until then, we have whips. We do. It's Nelljoy.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge of your fight.

And I go to bed, Jordan. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Darryl Rundis. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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