Knowledge Fight - #605: June 17, 2003

Episode Date: October 13, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan take a little jaunt back to the past. In this installment, Alex freestyles a bunch of incorrect facts, lies about Porton Down, and warns that special education classes are a plot to kidnap children. Citations

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I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, buddy. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship the altar of Sleen and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Jordan.

Quick question. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today. We're going back to the real basics. The real basics. Keeping it real. Super simple.

Pasta. No, but it is a food. Okay. Iced oatmeal cookies. Hadn't had one in years. Yeah. I was at the Walgreens and I saw in the impulse buy section, of course, a dollar for a bag of iced oatmeal cookies and I said, uh, yeah, are they the kind with the animals?

No. Oh, well, then what's the point? The point is delicious oatmeal, ginger kind of, I don't know. It's good. It's, it's nice. I haven't, I feel like I've aired so strongly on the side of like chocolate chip and what have you. Sure.

Sure. I was left in the, uh, by the wayside and it's not fair. You know, I haven't had an iced cookie in a long time and they are fantastic. Yeah. And oatmeal is a solid cookie. It just gets done dirty by raisins. You know what we've been eating because I told you a while back we've been trying to eat healthier.

Last night we ate brown bean cookies. Yeah. Yeah, man. Not an iced oatmeal cookie at all. I furrowed my brow. Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea what that even means.

Not cool. Yeah. So I guess that's not your bright spot. Okay. What do you got? Uh, my bright spot, Dan, is, uh, I just, I don't think I've, uh, talked about it on the show. Uh, but a few weeks back I did an interview with, uh, Mike Wiley, a friend of the show,

close friend of mine, uh, for his, uh, podcast or whatever, plastered cast, it was a lot of fun. I forgot to talk about it. And then I took a look at it last night to see if I, I couldn't remember all the bullshit that I said, you know, whatever nonsense I was throwing out there. And most of it was about my favorite PSA from the nineties, uh, which was an advertisement against meth, but unfortunately had a very catchy song about meth. Is it that?

Ooh, meth. Yes. Yeah. I think, uh, my buddy Hogan would sing that a lot. I can't stop. Yeah. It has stuck with me since the nineties. And it's, I will take any opportunity to talk about it.

I do think that most of those drug PSAs from the nineties were counterproductive. This, I mean, yeah, not great. Not great. They had the opposite effects. Yeah. The weed ones where it's like, Oh, all you're doing is sitting at a couch and having a good time. And you're like, is that bad?

Yeah. This is your brain on drugs. This is an egg getting cooked. Okay. Huh? Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, Jordan, today we have a sneaky snake episode.

Uh, we're going to be going over Jill duped June 17th, 2203, 2003. Wow. My mouth. I tripped on all of that seemed like you were trying to get to blackjack and then you remembered that it wasn't coming. Now, you know what it was? What? Too many iced oatmeal cookies.

I got too much oatmeal in your mouth. That'll happen. My jaw down. That'll do it. Um, but, uh, before we get to this, 2003 episode chronicling the past and what we can learn about, uh, from it about the present, uh, time to say hello to some walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first Alex's neck.

Thank you so much. You're an out policy. Walk. I'm a policy. Walk. Thanks. Alex's neck. Will that be included in the auction later?

Probably. Yeah. Next Coralye and her three weed smoking girlfriends. Thank you so much. You're an out policy. Walk. I'm a policy. Walk.

I'm a policy. Walk. Thank you very much. Next safe in the tentacles of Jesus. Thank you so much. You're an out policy. Walk. I'm a policy.

Walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hey, Chris, the reader. Thank you so much. You're an out policy. Walk. I'm a policy.

Walk. Thank you very much. Chris, the reader and we got a technocrat to say hello to. So, uh, like to say hello and thank you too. Hmm. Well, I'm not comfortable saying this out loud until I'm sure it's not some new kink with an Alex Jones mask anyway, you know who you are. You're now a technocrat.

I'm a policy. Walk. Crocky, mate. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? All right. We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson.

All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you.

You know, a lot of them are funny. Some of them are puns. Some of them are just names. That one, I think is the first one that I've really curious bewildering. I think we should set a character limit pre Twitter to 140 not doing this to 80. Here's what we're going to do. Yeah, only one dependent clause and also for some reason no split infinitives. Sure.

Yeah. So Jordan, we're going to start off this show. This is going to be a little bit of a shorter episode because there's not, not a ton that happens, but some stuff that is definitely worth discussing. Excellent. And I found very interesting, but, you know, like a good, good section of the episode is Alex talking to Larry Pratt from gun owners for America and like legit. It's just way.

I love guns. Yeah. They like there's nothing interesting going on. It's just like, well, Bush is going to renew the assault weapons ban. Hooray. Boo. Hey, boo. Yeah.

Making people afraid of something that doesn't end up happening. Yeah. And so it's kind of pointless. Fair. But Alex does have some things to say that are kind of relevant to the situation we find ourselves in today. Interesting. He is very worried about an article that he read that has to do with a scientist declaring

that the end of the world or the apocalypse is a 50 50 chance. That's a good article. He believes it either happens or it doesn't. 50 50. Yeah. Alex believes that the most likely scenario for the end of the world is the release of a super bio weapon. Interesting.

Yes. Okay. And some of the support for why he thinks this is a little dodgy. Okay. And then the really dangerous thing, the thing that I think is the greatest threat and they mentioned a bunch of other things in this article that we'll get into later in the next segment. He is genetic engineered pathogens getting turned loose and we know that port and down

bio weapons lab over in the United Kingdom in Wilkshire produces and has level four status and is underground and has three rings of barbed wire around it in minefields. But that didn't stop four years ago from someone releasing weaponized foot and mouth. Of course, two months before it showed up and over a dozen locations simultaneously, that's not how natural outbreaks behave, they don't show up in Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland in the same week by accident. But to go back, the port and down bio weapons lab had contacted the different counties in the United Kingdom and told them prepare masses of fire, prepare masses of wood.

They don't have a lot of woods in England. I remember it was a very expensive undertaking. The article said they masked all these pires. They said prepare for some type of large outbreak, perhaps foot and mouth. Then suddenly foot and mouth showed up. Important down said we think an animal rights activist stole this out of our lab and it got released. That's 13 monkeys.

Okay. Let's buy their story that an animal rights activist stole it. How did an animal rights activist get into an underground base guarded by the army? Real fast. None of that is true. I was going to say it. That sounds bononkers. Yeah.

We talked about this foot and mouth issue in a previous 2003 episode, so I'm not going to repeat all that stuff here, but there's one detail in that telling of the story that I've not heard Alex include in the narrative in the past. Interesting. In previous times, I've heard him talk about this. I've not heard Alex say that port and down claimed that an animal rights activist broke in and stole the foot and mouth, which then got released. Yeah.

Bruce Willis claimed that that happened. That is an interesting wrinkle. Also, by the way, another detail that's just absurd that he doesn't usually include is that port and down called these farms and told them get ready for an outbreak. Yeah. That one was interesting. That's nonsense. We talked about what the reality of that is on a previous episode.

That was like the ministry of our agriculture. They do that every year. Right. Like, hey, are you prepared for possible sick animals? Yeah. So there's a real problem with the chain of events that Alex is expressing that's immediately apparent, which is that an animal rights activist supposedly went on a bizarre, almost certainly impossible mission of stealing this virus just so they could release it and kill animals

in the name of protecting animal rights. It doesn't make sense from the standpoint of an animal rights activist. It makes perfect sense. So Port and Down never said that an animal rights activist had released the foot and mouth. This is what the Guardian refers to as a, quote, rural myth. And here's the basic story. There's an animal sanctuary called the hillside, which is home to over 800 rescued animals

from farms. Some representatives from the hillside visited a farm called Burnside Farm, which happened to be one of the main farms where animals came down with foot and mouth. They were not the only ones to visit, though. There was an inspection by the Ministry of Agriculture having received multiple complaints about the conditions that animals were kept on on the farm. After the foot and mouth outbreak began, the folks at Burnside leveled accusations at hillside sanctuary workers of having been the source of the outbreak, but that's pretty much

impossible. The hillside folks came to the farm in December 2000 and the outbreak occurred in February 2001. In January 2001, the Ministry of Agriculture did their inspection and said, quote, there were positively no traces of foot and mouth in the pigs in the farm. For their part, a spokesman at Port and Down actually said, quote, we have never worked on foot and mouth. That was their response.

Not that animal rights activists said that. Interesting response from them as compared to what Alex said that their response was. Yeah, definitely. That was very fascinating. One of which was in a movie and the other one was like, we don't do that here. Alex is creating a fake way to present this rural rumor as if it were the actual response of the people at Port and Down. Any critical thinkers listening to his show should be asking themselves why he would

do that. Certainly, one possibility is that Alex just doesn't know anything and he's mixing up rural rumors with official statements from Port and Down. He could be that stupid. And if so, I would say he's probably not someone who should be taken seriously. On the other hand, another possibility is that Alex knows exactly what he's doing. If Port and Down had claimed that an animal rights activist stole the virus, that solidifies multiple things about his narrative that he can't solidify any other way.

The first is that foot and mouth originated at Port and Down. Without this fake admission, Alex can't demonstrate this at all. The second thing is that if this is really truly the response that Port and Down had, there's still a bad guy. This story still has a villain that you can point to in scapegoat. And that second thing is super important because as often is the case, in 2007, the UK government released a final report on the foot and mouth outbreak and while they were unable to come to a definitive conclusion about where it started, they have a pretty good idea.

There were two labs that were right next to each other, IAH and Merial, which were, they actually were doing work on foot and mouth at the time. And so it's theorized that the foot and mouth found its way into the ground soil through deficient drainage pipes. From the report, quote, there had been concerned for several years that the effluent pipes were old and needed replacing, but after much discussion, money had not been made available. Alex's narrative conveniently sidesteps the actual answer to these problems, which is regulation that people actually follow, regular inspections and government spending.

By turning it into a story where evil animal rights activists stole the virus, Alex doesn't have to worry about that accidentally penetrating his world because he doesn't have a good argument against it. I would love to no longer, like we've done this for too many, the entirety of the human race's existence where it's like, okay, a thing we're studying, I'm sorry, we just don't have the budget for it right now. It's just not going to work cut to year later. Oh boy, if we had put just a little bit of money into that thing from before, we wouldn't

be dealing with a foot and mouth disease outbreak. Right. What a wild coincidence. Right. You know, a good bit of research is necessary in terms of dealing with illnesses that are detriment to public health. That is definitely true. Simultaneously true.

We need to make it safe. Yes. Yes. And one of the ways to do that is make sure that these drainage pipes. How is it that we can let drainage pipes go bad? Yeah. So what they theorized is that there's a number of people who are going in and out through like construction work and maintenance work and somehow this transferred to the farm.

They were able to trace a possible route for it to have gotten there from that. It makes sense. Yeah. So anyway, Portendown didn't say any of the things Alex is saying, he's just completely making this up as a way of like building his fantasy of these super things escaping from labs. Right. You know, it's a preoccupation that he's had for a long time and now he's playing

it out in present. Yeah. I mean, we just can't do this anymore often than say, if you recognize something Alex says from being in a movie, he is referencing the movie. It is not real life being imitated by art or whatever. That is true. This is a movie. Alex was drinking some rope tossing.

Exactly. Yes. It came on. He had some purple drink and he was going. So actually, Alex has another reason why the government did this. Okay. They released foot and mouth for a reason. And so it's just as bad either way if there's security, so we'll actually walk in and steal

this stuff. But again, I don't buy that because the government had the motive. The farmers were against the EU fighting it, becoming a powerful political block. They were about to get gun laws reversed. They were about to defeat the hunting bands. They were the really active, intelligent on target group. Yeah. That's right.

The farmers were going to overturn the EU. The rule. If there is a really accurate on target group who is just now getting political power does not exist. Probably not. It's a little too convenient. This is a little motive seems a little bit obvious, doesn't it? Yeah.

I don't know. I think this is bullshit. Yeah. Anyway, Alex has a bit of sort of official sources about race specific bio weapons. Got to have them. And I don't think that this is good. James weapons publications out of England, the world leader in tracking military technology hardly ever puts out alerts.

They may put out one a year and just a few months ago they put out an alert about race specific viruses and bacteria, race specific pathogens. And they said the US, the United Kingdom, and Israel have been known to develop race specific bio weapons. And that's what they're producing important down. So James is a magazine that uses publicly available information to discuss weapons and military projects. I wasn't able to find anything suggesting this or matching what Alex is saying in James

archives, but I was able to find a similar discussion from an article published in the American Free Press in case you forgot, American Free Press is that publication founded by Willis Cardo, noted white supremacist and Nazi. Anyway, this article uses anonymous sources to claim that there's a lab at Port and Down working on race specific bio weapons. I find myself less than convinced by this sourcing. Yeah, if it were me, I would also say that it was James and not the white nationalist rag that I almost certainly got it from.

Yeah, edited by my good buddy, Jim Tucker. It would be wise to hide that you got it from the white nationalist magazine that you totally don't read because you're definitely above that whole thing. Now, Alex, actually, he has no problem admitting that he likes you, but it is still it appears to be laundered information, unless, unless there's something from James that like was in a hard copy of the magazine that I just can't find. Sure, sure. I don't know.

That's that's a lot of benefit of the doubt to give Alex the bet. He may be read a hard copy of it. You bet. I'm trying to be overly careful. That's intense. So look, there's a lot of talk about Port and Down. Sure. Beginning of this.

Sure. And it gets off track a little bit. By the way, in the middle of 2002, a subsidiary of the Carlisle Group bought Port and Down. They privatized it in many other bio weapons labs in the United Kingdom. All right. So here's where we have to start using specific language. Okay. Port and Down isn't a lab.

It's actually a 7000 acre science park with a bunch of labs on it. The lab that Alex is talking about is on the grounds, but it's actually called the Defense Science and Technology Laboratory or Distal. The lab is owned and funded by the UK government, primarily the Ministry of Defense. There are other government funded entities also that are housed in the science park like Plowshare Innovations and Public Health England. The area also includes Tetrakis Science Park, which is within the Port and Down, which is home to GWE Business West and New Serum Enterprises.

I guess it's possible that there's some lab that's within the area of the science park that's owned by a company that's a subsidiary of Carlisle Group, but that's not what Alex is suggesting here. The name Port and Down to him means a specific lab, and that lab is the Defense Science and Technology Laboratory, which is definitely not owned by the Carlisle Group. This is ridiculous. Right. Right.

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Right. Right. Right. So, Alex is pretty concerned about North Korea on this episode. Still. Still. But he has an interesting take. So there's a number of stories that are coming out around this time about the famine that

is going on due to natural disasters. Sure. Sure. And it wiped out some crops. Right. And Alex doesn't buy this shit. Famine struck North Korea eating children. Let me say that again.

Famine struck North Korea eating children. Funding telegraph. Cannibalism is increasing in North Korea following another poor harvest and a big cut in international food aid according to refugees who have fled the stricken country. And this is from a liberal point of view. Let me explain why that's happening. What? People eating is liberal?

It's an absolute power crux, absolutely, because Kim Jong-il is an hereditary dictator. Whenever you've got people's kids becoming the leader, you know, the old leader's kid becomes a leader. You know you're in a police state. That's why I gave Rex the show. It's light years ahead of nepotism. The guy has been caught in the 80s and 90s, he just apologized last year, has kidnapped dozens of Asian film stars, Japanese, South Korean film stars, he has had aircraft hijacked

to bring particular film stars back that he wants, and he apologized to Japanese Prime Minister about eight months ago in late 2002 for quote, killing them. He said, yes, I killed them. I'm sorry, I won't do that anymore because Japan wouldn't even talk to him about aid until he apologized. So we got a lot to break down here. I'm going to need a real lot more information on this Kim Jong-il apology. Yeah, well actually that is true, but Alex is very wrong about it.

Interesting. There have been unconfirmed stories that pop up periodically about people eating other people in North Korea. That is true, but what's more difficult is trying to figure out how prevalent it is and how accurate these stories are. It's really hard to assess the situation because, you know, refugees have told stories of people being driven to starvation and eating other people, but because of how shut off the world from the world, North Korea is, we don't know much past those anecdotes.

While reading their internal propaganda, everybody is eating just fine. So I have to go by their, their, yeah. There are three times in the last 20 years or so when cannibalism in North Korea stories made the rounds in our press. These were in the late nineties in 2003 and in 2013 and each of these times marked the aftermath of a large and devastating famine involving almost certainly a combination of poor civic management and crops being destroyed by natural disasters. I don't know exactly what's gone on in North Korea or how widespread any cannibalism may

have been, but I can say that Alex saying that this, you know, like saying that pointing to a severe famine is a liberal spin. It's really dumb. Also, Alex would do anything to be able to vote for Donald Trump Jr. right now and he would welcome that hereditary dictatorship. No questions asked. 100%. Also, just real quick, I'm not saying that any of what I'm about to talk about is okay,

but Kim Jong-il didn't kill the movie stars that he kidnapped. That's just something Alex is making up. This had to do with Shin Sang-ok and Choi Eun-hee who were formerly a married couple. Shin was a movie director and Choi was an actress. They were kidnapped in 1978 and taken to North Korea where they were forced to make movies with the objective of heightening North Korea's profile in the field of arts. Oh my God. I read about this story.

Yeah. Holy cow. I read about it in 2016, I think called the, what was it, the lovers and the despot? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So in 1986, they escaped while on a trip to Vienna because they were able to evade their handlers and they made it to the U.S. Embassy.

Shin and Choi would get remarried and live in the United States for about 10 years before going back to South Korea. Shin passed away in 2006 and Choi just died in 2018 at the age of 91. Alex is mixing up this story with Kim Jong-il apologizing to Japan for abducting 12 Japanese nationals during the 70s and 80s, eight of whom were dead as of 2002, according to The Guardian. These were just random Japanese citizens who were kidnapped in Japan by North Korean special forces then taken to live in North Korea.

Kim Jong-il said, quote, the special forces were carried away by a reckless quest for glory. It was regretful and I want to frankly apologize. I've taken steps to ensure that it will not happen again. Excuse me. If I'm to understand what Kim Jong-il is apologizing for, he's saying that there were these rogue North Korean special forces trying to get glory by kidnapping random Japanese people and making them live in North Korea.

The rogueness of it is debatable. That's kind of what I'm feeling. So he explained that they were abducted so they could teach spies Japanese and so that their identities could be used to enter South Korea. Well, certainly if Kim Jong-il is admitting to abducting 12 Japanese people, that number might be a little bit higher. There are also some suspicions that the eight people who were abducted and who died were killed to cover up the abductions, but that's not something that's been definitively proven.

It's obviously possible, but I'm not sure. Right. Anyway, this story is really fucked up and I'm not going to bat for Kim Jong-il, but it's important to recognize that Alex has no idea what he's talking about. He's just randomly mixing together details from various stories to create the kind of composite image that he wants his audience to have. If the goal is just to say that Kim Jong-il is bad, then I guess it doesn't matter if you get the details right, you know, fine, mix all this stuff up.

But Alex is pretending to be a show that traffics in information, which he is short on and he's mixing up entirely. You have no idea about what was going on if you took him at face value. Yeah. Somehow turning it into a left, right issue, which again, he is above 100 percent, despite the fact that everybody on the left is evil and this liberal viewpoint is wrong. The liberal viewpoint is that famine is causing or it contributing to people possibly be being driven to cannibalism.

Whereas Alex's view on it, which is the correct naturally view, conservative view is that Kim Jong-il is bad. And that's it. Yeah. Somebody who understands cause and effect, the food is dead. People are not able to eat. Seems very simple. So it turns out that if you die in a North Korean camp, you're sold for meat.

When you die in a death camp, the police, the jail guards, the lower camp guards sell you. And the number one product is opium and they sell that, of course, U.S. government ships pull up, pick up the opium, bring it back here for your children to inject and become whores in the system to become prostitutes to pay for their habits. That's fast. High on Yang and North Korea sells this to our government and to others. So I just want to know about that. The article goes on and on, but that's the wonders of big government.

Interesting. So this is a good example of what Alex does instead of covering the actual stories that he's pretending to cover. He'll just grab a headline and riff on it, going with whatever sparks some kind of anger in his mind. So a quick point about this opium thing. A 2006 Senate committee meeting was held on the, quote, illicit activity funding the regime in North Korea.

One of the witnesses called was Peter A. Prahar, the director, office of Asia, Africa and Europe programs, bureau of the international narcotics and law enforcement affairs, which is a part of the U.S. Department of State. Senator Coburn asked, quote, is there enough information to put North Korea under the drug majors category? Prahar replied, quote, no, sir. That is another item that we consider on a regular basis within the Department of State. As you know, a country can be put on the majors list for basically two reasons.

First of all, it is producing 1000 hectares or cultivating 1000 hectares of more or more of poppy, opium poppy or coca. We have been unable to confirm reports that we have received over time that there is significant opium poppy cultivation in North Korea. So we've been unable to consider North Korea for placement on the majors list for its involvement as a major cultivator or drug producer. It's not inconceivable that the North Korean government makes some money through illegal drug sales, but that's a little different than acting like the opium and heroin here

in the United States came from North Korea. The odds of that are almost zero. Yeah. If you are like, you don't, not necessarily you need to be like inside North Korea to see them putting out 1000 hectares of poppy seeds. You're going to notice it coming out in some way or another. Yeah. And according to a report put out this year by the United Nations Office on Drugs and

Crime, approximately 83% of the world's opium is produced in Afghanistan. Very little of that actually makes it to US markets, however, and most of the opium that's here originates in Mexico, Colombia or Guatemala. At the point Alex is recording this, Afghanistan and Myanmar would be far and away the largest suppliers of opium poppy in the world. Wow. Nothing. North Korea is not even on the radar.

This is just how Alex puts some flair into his news coverage. He ignores reality and throws something jarring in his audience's face in order to shock them like saying that North Korea is sending opium to the United States to turn your children into heroin addicted sex workers. That's just his feelings though. That it's not based on anything real. I'd be a weird thing for North Korea to do as well. So Alex takes some calls on this, this here broadcast and he gets one call from actually

this wasn't a caller. This was a guest. Okay. But it felt like a caller. That's not good. It was just a person. Yeah. It wasn't an expert in anything.

It's a woman who, um, their son is, uh, who was in a special education program and she felt that he didn't need to be in it and she was upset about it. I don't understand tomorrow's news today. I don't really want to talk too much about it because I don't know what the situation is with her kid and it doesn't feel appropriate. However, uh, he, Alex tries to blow her mind talking about her son and it's ridiculous. Being new to the class he's in with kids that do have behavior problems and they were teasing him.

Now my son also has two different colored eyes, which has always drawn a lot of attention to him. And some of it's been negative and some of it's been, well, most of it's positive, but you know, kids are cruel. So anyways, you've been there. That's very interesting. Do you know what that means when a, when a human has two different colored eyes? Yeah.

It's a gene that's been discovered and it's called Wardenburg and there's symptoms with the gene that he can display maybe that's, I mean, it's actually incredibly exceptional person. It means it's a generally, almost every case, it is a twin that did not divide. Yeah. No, no. You know that? I mean, I'm saying it's interesting.

It's a lot of times they're very exceptional people, though they do have some problems. Oh yeah. He's a genius. This is absolutely not true, but if you're just making things up, it kind of feels like it should be true. Well, it's got to be from a twin. One eyes from one, the other eyes from the other. That's so Alex Jones to believe in a heartbeat.

Somebody said that and he was like, well, duh, one eyes from the other twin. It's, I get it. I get why you would think this, but it's dumb. I like that even she was like, no, no. So Wardenberg syndrome is a condition that's quite rare and has a lot more presentations than just different colored eyes. Based on some other details that this person gives the diagnosis actually seems plausible since her child also has hearing loss, which is another symptom of Wardenberg.

The I thing, however, just on its own is a phenomenon called heterochromia iridum. And generally speaking, it's not a problem and it doesn't require treatment. It has nothing to do with the twin in the womb and you can even develop it later in life. Do you get superpowers though? No. The eye color is determined by a series of genes that are incredibly complicated, but more or less it boils down to melanin concentration in the tissues of your iris. Reasons you could have this at birth generally come down to a genetic trait passed on from

one of your parents. It might be as simple as having hyperpigmentation in one eye or it could be indicative of, you know, there's a couple serious conditions that it could be an indication of. But if this caller's child was born with one of those serious, more serious conditions, I don't think the eye color would be the most pressing thing to bring up. No. If you've ever suffered up this bit of trivia, hoping to, I guess, blow the caller's mind, he didn't have to say anything, but he couldn't resist trying to look like the guy who knows

everything. And he's just like, he's just making shit up or passing along bad information that he heard somewhere and didn't look into. No, the moment he was like, Oh, do you want it? Do you know what that is? Do you know what is going on there? And she's like, Yeah, it's called something. It's something called Wardenburg syndrome.

He's got it. He's like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is my turn to tell you something. How dare you know what's going on with your child thinking that it was Wardenburg is actually the liberal perspective. Exactly. What you didn't know was that he's actually a genius. Yeah.

And I could honestly hear Alex be wrong all day and I would enjoy it. I would enjoy him blowing hard about like these things that he knows nothing about that are just trivia. Like, Oh, you know why? You know why your hair color changed when you grew up? You know, like that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love it. You know what it means if you're left-handed, evil, evil, evil.

I would be fine with that kind of a dumb show. But the problem is that Alex is also perpetuating really dangerous ideas within the same conversation with this lady. Let me tell you what these special ed classes do, they will try to hop your kid up on drugs in the next few years. The kids are going to keep teasing him. They'll start having behavioral problems and before you're done, they're going to send CPS after you.

Yeah. Also, a large portion of kids that go in these classes are eventually kidnapped by Child Protective Services. So, you know, I've already, all these things have already struck me, I'm getting him out of this class. Oh wait, this is already happening? Well, no, these things I've already crossed my mind. Okay.

But don't be confrontational with these headhands on power trips. Just calmly go sign the form, withdrawal your son, move if you have to to another school district start over. Don't, don't make a lot of smoke though, because you're a single mother, they'll figure that they're like high. Yeah. They'll figure that they can attack you because you're with young, easier. Oh boy.

This is not, not the probably best take. Okay. So here's, here's what I'm hearing. A concerned parent going like, they put my child into this special education class. I don't believe that he's supposed to be in there and because he's in there, it's having a negative effect on his development. And Alex's response to that was, well, obviously they're going to murder your child. Right.

They're going to take him. So if they're going to murder your child and you, then you have to leave. Of course. Yeah. And her point, I guess, as best I can tell from the, from the conversation that they have is that these special education classes aren't specific enough. Yeah. They're people who have different learning challenges grouped together in a way that

it's not like you can't treat all of them the same. Yeah. And to, to the extent that that's true, yeah, there's probably a fair point in there. However, the solution to that would possibly be more classes, more special ed classes as opposed to the solution that Alex has, which is get rid of them. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

That's trouble. Yeah. I feel like Alex's take is just so irresponsible and so disrespectful to, you know, people who are special ed educators and totally, you know, who take a lot of time and care to, to try and help kids. Yeah. I mean, I remember growing up, I was, we were, we had like enrichment programs or whatever. And there was a, and it was essentially, it wasn't like a gifted class or anything.

They just gave you more work. They were just like, Hey, guess what? You're part of the enrichment. Do all of this extra shit as well. Yeah. And there were parents who took their kids out of that program, like this isn't helping them develop. And that's totally fine.

There were kids who were not being helped in their, you know, like hearing loss is a different problem than a developmental disability in certain ways. You know, that kind of thing. All of that is fine. A parent should recognize what's going on there, but if somebody tells you that they're going to murder your child, they're not doing good for you. No. I don't think that they're looking at the problem as it exists.

They're looking at the problem as you do want it to be. Alex, my, my son is getting extra work from his school and I, I don't think it's helping him. You know what they're doing? They're going to kill him. They're trying to make him too smart. And then they're going to take him away from me and turn him into a government scientist. And then they're going to put you in a mental institution because you're going to say that

the government took them. They're not going to believe you. No one's going to believe you. And that's how it works. It all makes sense. Yep. So Alex gets a call now. Now he's actually going to calls and he gets a call from a guy who works at Taco Bell.

And this guy is pretty concerned about technological advancements. I was watching less than a couple of weeks ago. I was watching a thing on the history channel on restaurants and they were talking about the drive through windows and it caught my eye because they were talking about maybe a next step and some of the McDonald's restaurants are already doing it is having the little cards and they would ask you if you just want to take it off the card while they're out there on the, if you're not even handing in cash anymore, it's just done through the Yes.

And then major chains are going to go away from cash, phasing it out. Yeah. Oh, I work for Taco Bell and I'm saying this. This is freaking me out because, I mean, they're trying to say, well, it's going to speed up the speed of service. And then, and then there's going to be problems with people stealing the cards, but don't worry, the face scanning camera hooked into the driver's license database is already happening will know if it's really you and your card, but it's for everyone's safety and to stop fraud.

It's kind of an exaggerated fear to have about credit cards being taken at drive through. There's just, there's just no, there's no technology that's like, you remember when they introduced self-checkout at a grocery store? People lost their fucking minds. And it's not about having to bag my own groceries. It's not about that. It's definitely not about that. I don't like all the beep boops.

I think, I think that there is a fine conversation to have surrounding like, you know, the jobs that are taken by self-checkout jobs that are probably going to be eliminated within the fast food space in the coming years. 100%. I think that's a, that's a conversation, but it's kind of different than this one. This is stupid. Yes. Exactly.

Yep. I think that Alex, I don't know if he understands that this guy is talking about credit cards being taken at the drive through because he's saying, I don't, I don't know what he's getting at. It does Alex think that they've got like Taco Bell cards? Is that like Taco, that seems like what it like Taco Bell is giving them Taco Bell cards that they put money on. And then it's hooked up to their driver's license or something.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I think it's dumb. Oh yeah. I'm not worried about credit cards at the drive through. Mark of the Beast. So Alex takes another call and this fella, I believe is from the Oklahoma City area and

he heard something on the radio that he wants to run by Alex. Got a couple questions for you real quick. Okay. One, had you heard about the Oklahoma City Council considering a resolution against the Patriot Act? I heard it on the radio, the car radio this morning on a local Oklahoma City radio station. I know that a talk show host named Landland Peer, I'd met on his show about five times and we'd called for it and it's one of the big 50,000 waters there.

Hey, I know he had called for it a few weeks ago. Tell me about it when we get back. No, I didn't hear about that. Okay. That's a conservative area. That'd be a major victory. This is amazing. In that clip, Alex was basically trying to take credit for some alleged resolution being

discussed at the Oklahoma City Council that he didn't even know existed before this call. Also shouldn't he know about these kinds of things? Like half of his show is just yelling about the Patriot Act. So you would think that he would keep himself up to date on what would be major news on that front. If the city of Oklahoma City just decided to overturn the Patriot Act, that would be pretty big news. Yeah, it seems like something like what else is he paying attention to in the news?

If not like this kind of thing, I'll just wait until someone calls in. I think he's really just watching 13 Monkeys. Probably. Yeah. I also have no idea what this resolution was. Why would you? Yeah. What are we talking about?

This is like that was almost certainly the same thing as like we're reaffirming the Eighth Amendment, you know, like fine, have fun. So this next clip from a call is one of my one of my favorites that I've found in a long time and possibly part of the rationalization for doing an episode, even though it's going to be shorter because there's not a whole lot, right? I needed to bring you this has to hear. Yes. I had no idea that these people had been around as long as they have.

And they're talking about 1928. You mentioned David Rockefeller talking about how great China was. Mao Zedong. Yeah. Well, how wonderful it was. And he was the greatest man in the last hundred years and all this. Well, this is John Dewey, who they made a Dewey Decimal System. Yeah.

No. Yeah. I mean, this guy had come back from now. No. This is almost 50 years before. Alex is just free associating. Nope. It's awesome.

Nope. Nope. Nope. There's a thing called the Dewey Decimal System, so he confidently asserts that they're related. They aren't. And I'll talk a little bit about that. But first, I want to explain why Alex does this. Alex has no idea who John Dewey is, but he can't make that obvious to the audience.

If this caller is mentioning Dewey in relation to the early globalists back in the 1920s, then Alex should be an expert on this guy. By just interjecting Dewey Decimal System, Alex is trying to feign expertise because it's meant to look like him saying, of course, I know about John Dewey. Yes, John Dewey of the Dewey Decimal System. That'll be proved by making a reference that I know about this guy. I believe his brothers were Huey and Louie also. Yes.

Of course. Yeah. It's remarkable. And it's kind of the same thing that he's doing with the eye color thing. It's the same sort of fake authority that he's presenting, and it's just amazing. That is a perfect example of that. Totally. So first of all, they're talking about this period in the 1920s, and the Dewey Decimal

System was created in 1876. Also, it was invented by a guy named Melville Dewey, not John Dewey. It's kind of weird that Alex doesn't know this, seeing as he should be the president of the Melville Dewey fan club. I don't know if you know this, Jordan, but Melville Dewey was a pile of shit. I did not know that. Yeah, he just also happened to create a very important system for standardizing book classifications in libraries.

Oh, brutal. He was also kicked out of the American Library Association, which he founded because he wouldn't stop sexually harassing women, including his daughter-in-law. Jesus Christ. It's just nuts to think that this guy was so out of line that he would get in trouble for making unwelcome advances to women in the early 1900s, a time when that sort of thing was pretty common. Yeah.

And people turned the other way on it a lot. It was in the newspapers. They just wrote horrible, sexually harassing shit. He was such a problem that he got kicked out of the AM. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Melville would go on to found the Lake Placid Club, which is something of a health resort. He forbade Jews, black people, and any other minorities from joining the club, and he specifically

banned Booker T. Washington from coming in. Well, he was such a bigot that according to an article in the American Libraries magazine, quote, Dewey bought up the adjoining land for fear it would otherwise be sold to Jews. Jesus Christ. Yep. This dude is a real piece of shit. Yeah. And we've just gone with alphabetical.

I didn't know that Melville alphabet was a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate that he did create something that revolutionized libraries. That's really unfortunate. And that he saw. It's a really unfortunate thing. Yep.

Yep. So conversely, John Dewey was a psychologist and an educator who spent some time in China in the 1920s. He has nothing to do with libraries and library science. While Alex is just making up whatever information makes him look smart in the moment because he's comfortable in the knowledge that a podcast pointing this stuff out and laughing at it wouldn't exist for another 18 years. Yeah.

Yeah. He got away with it for a long time. Not anymore, baby. Nope. Dewey Decimal System. Go fuck yourself. Oh, yes. Dewey Decimal System.

I was waiting for him to even be like, I was expecting him to go with Dewey defeats Truman as his reference for that. That could have been. And he didn't even do that. He went even dumber than Dewey defeats Truman. But I think that people might actually remember details about the Dewey defeats Truman. Sure. Sure.

Whereas Dewey Decimal System is just obscure enough that most people don't know the history behind it. But everybody knows that it exists. Yes. And everybody should remember that Melville Dewey was a pile of shit. You can't believe that. That's unfortunate. Why don't I get to learn about half of the shit that we learn about is made by pieces

of shit. And we should also get that context. Yeah. Not erase the person from history. Like Watson and Crick. Pieces of shit. Why don't we always get that context every time I hear about DNA or even while we're talking about the mRNA vaccines.

Like also just a reminder the guys who do pieces of shit. It's unfortunate kind of. But it is just a part of living in reality that there are some things that are important breakthroughs that have happened in our history that have been done by people who suck. Yeah. I think if you are a literature major like myself you're eventually going to have to wrestle with the fact that just about everybody who wrote a good book is a giant piece of shit.

Yeah. Yeah. So Alex is he's still covering that monkey pox quite a bit. The monkey pox scare or and this it's just it's ridiculous. Mary go ahead Mary. I want to say quickly that that I'm able to clearly see that the government has most probably dumped this monkey pox on us because right away before they you know even hardly have a name of a victim they know which animals to go after and sure enough it's the same

animals in those headshots. That's not good evidence. I would say that the they did know the names of people who are they just didn't publicize them like they protected people's privacy which is fine and they were able to find what commonalities there were and like oh they all went work in contact with prairie dogs at specific animal shops. I wonder if there's a connection here. The the like the the almost nonstop reality of a large group of people who react react

to anyone knowing something with well if you know something you probably did it. Yeah you're probably like knee jerk just like see they knew something so they obviously did it not like you could have learned it. Yeah. No. And you know the other thing too is that Alex is trying to present this like fear of a release of a bio weapon by talking about the monkeypox which is nonsense and then talking about porting down releasing foot and mouth.

Yep. And it's like these aren't good examples they're not they're not based on anything. Come on. Two things happened a thousand miles away. They're the same. But they didn't happen. Oh well Alex is saying things didn't happen a thousand miles away obviously it's a conspiracy. So we check in here on Alex's views on some events that are going on in Iraq and we have

an interesting update. Okay. Also cash crisis forces U.S. to print Saddam bank notes they're back to printing our government who runs the central bank presses is put a bath is back in control and they're going to print money with Saddam on it so that's from Reuters as well. So the reason that folks in Iraq needed to print Saddam bank notes is because the public had quote lost confidence in the only other bank note in wide circulation. By October 2003 a new DNAR had been introduced with anti fraud measures in place to provide

a unified currency without Saddam's face on it. Nice. This was just the least bad solution to the problem. As an article in the BBC puts it quote US and British officials have said it's better to lose face by printing 250 DNAR notes with Saddam on them for a short period than risk further inflaming public anger. The bath party is not in power at this point and in fact just 14 days before this episode was recorded the active elements of debathification had entered into force in Iraq.

Now coalition forces were responsible for trying to determine who was a member of the bath party so that they could be banned from holding any job in the public sphere. It's really fucked up like this super destructive process is going on and the way Alex is covering it could not be more detached from reality is 180 from from what's actually going on. Yeah I mean it's bananas especially considering the fact that you know you go back and you read through all of these books and it's like you guys are so stupid. Why are you getting rid of everyone who knew how to do anything and immediately the whole place fell apart and they're like I don't understand.

It's almost like we just hired a bunch of new people who have never done anything like this before. Yeah there were there's there were some critical mistakes that were made especially in the implementation of of that that initiative. Yeah very very foolish such a brutal brutal and it's so weird that we're here in the middle of June and Alex is still on the they're giving the country back to the bathists line. I don't know when that's going to change but it's one of the only things really about his coverage of the wreck war that I find at all interesting.

Yeah because it's baffling. Yeah it's it's so divorced from any like how can you read anything and come to the conclusion that they've put a bathist in power. I need to put his content through the bath full occasion. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. All right.

Show over. Yeah. Click. Well actually we are out of clips. We might as well end on that pun. That would be fun. No I wanted to I wanted to do this episode because I thought there was some actually like some fun and some interesting stuff.

There is this sort of weird mirror of the present day in terms of this you know discussion of releasing bio weapons from from labs. But if you look at the stuff he was talking about at this point it's all it's bullshit it's just nonsense. And then that that Dewey decimal thing really made me laugh. Yeah I can't believe that the Dewey and I feel like the story of Melville Dewey is not as widely known as maybe it should be. It's good to know that we have an influence you know we can get that story out there.

People will know from here on out didn't they change it. They don't use the Dewey decimal system anymore in libraries right dude I'm not a librarian. I don't know. Well I don't think they do. They may. I don't think so. All right. Sound off librarians.

Somebody said that Melville Dewey was a real piece of shit. Hashtag canceled. There we go. So yeah Jordan we'll be back but until then we have a website. We do it's knowledgefight.com. Yep we also are on Twitter. We are on Twitter it's at knowledge underscore fighting that go to bed Jordan. Yep we'll be back but until then I'm Neo I'm Leo I'm DZXCork I'm Daryl Rundis.

And now here comes the sex robots Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding them. Hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you.