Knowledge Fight - #613: June 24-25, 2003

Episode Date: November 5, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan hang out in the past in search of inspiration, which Dan finds when he realizes that California governor Gray Davis is about to be recalled, and Alex is about to lose his mind about Arnold Schwarzenegger.  Also, Alex tells stories of youthful fighting that seem very light on murder. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding me. Hello, Alex and Mr. Sincull. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the author of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Yeah. Dan. Yes. Quick question for you. Sure. What's your bright spot

today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is given up for about. So I've been watching. I've been watching the new season of Survivor as it goes. Yes. Yeah. And I have been frustrated over the course of watching all of the seasons about how far it's come from its original premise. Right. To how complicated the rules are. Right. If I were to try and explain to you how to play Survivor now, I have no idea how I would. I couldn't. It would take hours of me being like, okay, so now here's the thing. Right. There's a hidden immunity idol. Right. Okay. Okay. Fine. Put that aside for now. All right. Because there's also a hidden immunity idol blocker. No, that's not. No, I refuse to allow that to happen. This season. You take that blocker and you shove it up your

ass. And this season they also introduced a new advantage called the knowledge is power advantage. If you have this piece of paper, this advantage at tribal council, you can ask one person. No, one question. Okay. And it can be either, do you have an advantage or do you have an idol? And if they do, they have to give it to you. Right. Okay. Fucking ridiculous. This is turning into one of those like, what is it? You remember those murder games that you would play at a youth group where everybody would hide for a while and one person was the bad guy and then you met up at the end and you had to be like, well, this person was the yeah, but the rules are a maze. Yeah. On there. It's I do. Yeah. It's it, but I cut. I was watching. That's why squid games is so

attractive to people now. You know, it's like they're very simple rules. Sure. The kids game or you die. Yes, exactly. It's clear. It's very simple. Yes. And I think it was in season one, two of survivor. Like it was a game where it's like, all right, I can find some food. Yeah. What is the problem? Find some food to see if you have enough calories in you to run this foot race later. And if you don't, you're going to vote it out. You're going to lose. Yeah. Goodbye. Yeah. There was a lot. There's a lot more just like, okay, it's a game. Yeah. Now I have no fucking idea. So last night's episode was a two, the second part of a two parter, right? And so they were supposed to be merging the tribes, but instead of doing that, there was another

twist. And that was that one, they split into two tribes and half of them one immunity, right? Okay. But there was an uneven number. Oh, God, two tribes. Okay. The person who was left over got sent to the fucking exile island where Jeff probes showed up on a bus. Fine. On a what? On a bus. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. A boat. Okay. It was another B word. He got on the bus. So he showed up on a boat with an hourglass. Okay. Right. Okay. And a hammer. If you don't break all of your fingers by the time the sand has gone through this hourglass, you will be dead. I saw. I said, if I got that, I would chase probes off the island. So the thing is that she had to decide whether or not to go back in time.

If she decided to break the hourglass, then the other half of the group who had lost the challenge would get immunity and the other people would be vulnerable to be voted at. Okay. And it was so she's Sophie's choice. It I was just sitting there like, why are we doing this drama drama, Dan, but it wasn't more dramatic than like the game would have been normally. It's still the stakes are set the same. It's just confusing people. I do. I do appreciate they're like, okay. Well, here's the thing. And we're going to exile her and we're going to say pick one or the other. That's immunity. It's a very simple explanation. How do we kind of like survivor that up a bit? You know, come on hourglass thinking

wizards hourglass. Let's go for it. Let's destroy the very embodiment of time. Yeah. So I think afterwards after the episode, I was reflecting a little bit and I think I give up. I'm not on the show, but I like I give up on trying to understand. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, watching this show from now on will be an experience. Right. It's going to happen to me. Do you do you and I don't know if you recall this directly, but do you remember the end of 1984 of the year I was born? No, the book. Sure. You remember how he is beaten down so much that he just loves the state? Mm hmm. Yeah, but I'm not saying I love it. I'm saying I'm putting up with it and I accept it. Good. What about you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan, is

yoga. Been doing some yoga. Texting me some things about pain. Yeah, it hurts a lot. It was my second time doing it ever last night and I got in trouble because I was being verbally corrected on something that I was doing wrong or whatever and it threw me, like just hearing the voice through me so much that I just fell and began laughing and just being like, I didn't hear a word you said. You know, like, you know, like how I would be. Laughing is yoga. See, no, according to the people that are in yoga now or whatever, you're supposed to be all quiet and shit. It's bullshit. Right. But anyways, it's fun to be reprimanded in a new place for being loud and laughing too much. I'm going to hit every

possible activity where people can be angry at me for being loud and laughing too much. Well, you kind of got to take the rough with the smooth. Sure. I mean, because like, basically we've created this podcast and, you know, people enjoy it somewhat because you're loud. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. It's a real negative feedback loop. Yeah. And then unfortunately, in other settings like yoga, it's very unfortunate. Nice cuts the other direction. Yeah. Well, I'm glad I look forward to you showing up one day to do the podcast and being like, look what I can do and then putting your leg behind your head. No, that won't happen or something. So some weird feet of flexibility. I've already made this clear to my partner.

I am going to defeat yoga and then never do it again. All right. I'm going to be good at it. And then once I am, once I feel like I'm confident, I will say this is dumb and quit forever. I wish you well. Thank you. So Jordan, today we are going back to the past. We're going to be talking about June 24th and 25th, 2003. Okay. And the reason for that is because I don't, I didn't know if we were going to have enough lead time to do the episode that I wanted to do for Friday. All right. For this episode. And that is, I realized that Alex is going to be talking almost exclusively about Tucker's Patriot purge documentary. And people had gotten in touch and been like, please do an episode about Patriot purge. It does seem like that is our

eventual end. And I've been resistant to do episodes about Tucker Carlson for a number of reasons. One, I don't want to step on the toes of there's another podcast that does Tucker. Sure. And I don't want to, I don't want to, you know, breach other people's intellectual property. Hey, can't do it. Can't do it. Every time any other podcast has talked about Alex Jones, we, I have obviously been very furious. Sure. Yeah. And the other reason too is that I just don't believe that Tucker Carlson is a sincere actor. And I don't think that he interests me in the same way as Alex Jones. I don't want to talk about any rich pricks, you know? Yeah. I mean, like, but that kind of childhood rich prick, you know, that kind of just like, he's

an, I take, he's a take your ball and go home kid and you just, I don't want to deal with. I've lived long enough to watch his various incarnations and I don't find him to be like a person with a, with a solid ground underneath his feet. Let's say integrity or integrity sounds positive. And like, no, that's what I'm saying. He doesn't have it. Right. But to the extent that Alex Jones has integrity, it's that like he's done. That's a good point. This shit. That is a good point. There's different, you know, different shades of some things throughout Alex's career, but there's what you could call a coherent through life. Right. Right. There's not really for someone

like Tucker or Glenn Beck. Right. Right. Right. And that's why those people don't, don't interest me as much. But I think that the intersection is so high here that we'll probably have to do something about Patriot Purge. Yeah. And Alex was apparently did background work on it. So sure. Great. It's kind of now in our, yeah. Yeah. So in our cannon. So I wanted to do an episode about that, but I realized we probably wouldn't have enough lead time by the time it was all out and everything for this episode. So that will be on Monday. We'll talk about that on Monday. And for now, we're back in the past. Hey, enjoying the smooth breeze of 2003 14 things, which is don't want you. That was 2002. Oh, that was a little bit

spectacular. My bad. Yes. So we'll get down to business on this, Jordan. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Jordan's Afrikaner accent in the episode 104 sounds like Kiwi Richard Nixon. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Now I kind of I'm hearing Kiwi Nixon in my head, but I don't know how to make it come out of my mouth. If I could go on, I could do it. Well, just go back to 104. I'm working on it. So next, Celine's adopted pet human Carlton. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Next, the C flame. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Next, Raiden. Editorially, God of Thunder. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy was the God of Thunder, right? Yeah, he's the God of stuff. All right. Thanks, Raiden. Next, say hello to Celine for me. I will. Meow. There we go. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I go next, deep state pizza. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I get deep state pizza and the Mancunian candidate. That's the term for people from Manchester. I don't probably mispronounce again. Anyway, the Mancunian candidate. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I wonder if there's a liver Pueblo in Canada. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Isn't that Lilliputian candidate? Yeah, exactly. That's what

we should be going for. Oh, Gulliver's Travel is an evil, evil book. No one will ever suspect the tiny man of becoming president. Sure. Yeah. So here we are back in the past and I was like, oh, wait, we have figured out what we were looking for in the past. We know that Alex does think he's fighting the devil, literal devil. Yeah. And so it's like, well, I still want to keep going in the past. I still enjoy this. It's weird. And so my initial justification was, let's see what he thinks more about Harry Potter. This is right, right, right. That is fun. Listening over this episode, I realized what our new mission is. And so we'll get to that in the middle of this episode. But before we do, here's another context drop that I just think is kind of cute.

Let's talk to Barney and Marilyn. Go ahead, Barney, you're on the air. Okay, Barney's not there. Hey, I'm here. Okay. I don't know why there's something fun. I really don't know why, but that made me laugh so hard. Barney sounds so excited. I'm here. I'm here. Yeah. So I enjoyed that. Also, he's got that Barney fife kind of tone to him. That's that's perfect. So we start here on the 24th. And Alex gets into talking about how the feds, they send anthrax around. Oh, sure. And we've talked a bit about the anthrax letters that were sent in the wake of 9 11. Right. And, you know, we don't need to rehash that. But there's a piece of this narrative that I don't believe we've gotten into that I think is

worth exploring. The feds have been caught mailing fake anthrax letters in a congressional study that was done in 1999. Remember all those powdered letters that got mailed to businesses and private businesses and government buildings and the feds then got lots of fear going and said, oh, we need more federal funding. And then it turned out the CIA actually sent some super weaponized anthrax for real in 2001. And Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro the anthrax fighting antibiotic months before month before anybody ever heard of a case of it. Well, they're just doing it again. And Bush wants a six plus billion dollar fund for forced inoculation. Not just smallpox, but anthrax shots. Oh, they're so deadly. So yeah, we talked

we talked a bit about the, you know, the fed sending anthrax narrative. But we didn't talk about the angle of it that is this Bush administration folks being on Cipro before the letters got sent out. Right. Right. Right. Which Alex uses this and he talks about it quite a bit. It's a pretty consistent thing that he uses as proof that they had advanced knowledge that anthrax was going to be sent. Right. Right. Okay. Okay. So here's what happened with this completely insane lawyer, Larry Clayman, who is still with judicial watch at this point. Great. He in 2002, he sued the Bush administration for quote, access to documents about last fall's anthrax attacks, asserting that top officials may have known that the attacks were coming. So it's based on the

fact that, you know, there had been information that had come out that people were on Cipro. He was also suing them to get a copier back that administration had taken from him several years ago. And you wanted to know if Bush ever called him an asshole. So Cipro is an antibiotic that can be used as a treatment for someone who's exposed to anthrax, but it's not really the kind of treatment you would want for inhaled anthrax, which is what the large concerns would be with the anthrax in these letters. In fact, Clayman's clients in the suit were workers at a Washington post office. Two employees at the facility where they worked had handled the anthrax letters and they had died because they inhaled anthrax, which again, that's why you're really going to be concerned about the

situation and not so much. I mean, you could get it if you have a cut on your hand. You could have a different kind of exposure. Sure, sure, sure, sure. But the death kind is the one you don't want to get. Sure. And the issue is that it wasn't until after this point, after September 11th, that the scientific community, they made breakthroughs in terms of anti toxin therapies, which are really effective against inhaled anthrax like Anthem and Rax, Rax the Bakumab. Did you just curse me? I think I did. So yeah, Raxi Bakumab. I prefer Anthem. I like it. It has a market name. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, you should stick with that one. So at that time, though, you know,

after 9-11, these treatments weren't available and the only real option that was on the table would have been antimicrobial agents and these antibiotics like Cipro or Doxycycline. The risk that these members of the Bush administration would have been taken by exposing themselves to anthrax, even if they were on Cipro, would be nuts. It's a bizarre conspiracy. Do you know what's the weirdest part about this? Is it something that people never talk about those anthrax letters as they were really well written? Like, like, letters to a young man, to a young poet by Renier Rilke. You know, it's basically like calligraphy. Oh, it's amazing. So there actually is a vaccine against anthrax called Biothrax. If the folks in the government really wanted to

protect themselves from a false flag anthrax attack, that's almost certainly what they would have used. They wouldn't have used Cipro. Well, yeah, that would make sense. So here is actually what happened in the real world. On September 11th, right after the attacks, George W. Bush and many members of his staff were on board Air Force One. One of the people on the plane was White House physician Colonel Dr. Richard Tub. Tub was understandably freaked out and he decided to make a decision just in case the worst case scenario came true. From an interview with Tub, quote, the thing at that moment I was most worried about was a biologic attack. In the unlikely but high risk scenario, I thought there was little harm to be prophylaxing the staff with antibiotics.

It seemed like almost science fiction. I gave everyone on the plane a week of Cipro. I hope by the time they ran out, we'd have figured out the fog of war and new weather that we needed to continue measures. Right. An antibiotic like Cipro wouldn't necessarily be super effective at preventing you from being harmed by anthrax, but you have a better chance the sooner to right after the exposure you start taking it. The reason that some of the staff were given Cipro is because after 9-11, the White House doctor wanted to cover his bases because if there had been a biologic attack, and he wanted to start the antibiotics because if he waited, you couldn't get that time back. Sure, sure, sure. I got you. Yeah. Yeah. This is an incredibly stupid conspiracy theory because

it fails to take into account the very clear explanation for why someone working in the White House might have been given Cipro around that time. Yeah. There was a fear on 9-11 that they might have already been exposed. Right. Also, you see here how Alex is using this story to drum up fears about forced vaccination. That's because he always does that, and it never actually ends up happening. When you go back and you listen to him be wrong about this shit, this specific shit over and over again, he's being wrong so confidently. You should really use that to inform how you hear him talking about COVID in the present day. Right, right, right. It's just another one of these. Yeah, it's the same thing, whether it's real or not outside, whether there's a

deadly virus or not. Vaccines are killing people or whatever. Yeah, and it's interesting the way you can hear him tell this story because he's like talking about why would Bush administration people on Cipro months before the anthrax letters. It wasn't months before, and there was a reason, because it was on 9-11. Yeah, yeah. It's suspicious the way he articulates it, but it's not actually suspicious. No, no, no. It's very reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex has a big headline for the day. This is one of his varsity stories, and it's about the Houston chief of police coming out and saying there's no justice. It's a little bit of a stretch. Okay, okay. The chief of police, Houston, Texas,

has gone public saying that you cannot get a fair trial of Houston, that things are hopelessly corrupt, that the crime lab publicly is in the job of operating a criminal syndicate framing everyone. That story's coming up. That's quite a quote from the Houston police chief. I mean, I've never heard a police chief go that far or that hard. Yeah, seriously. The whole system is out of order. Going bulwark on their asses. Yeah. So I think he might be editorializing a little bit. Could be a little bit. So what had happened is that there had been some concerns about the validity of the results that were coming out of the DNA crime lab in Houston. After at least one person was found to have been wrongly convicted based on inaccurate

results from that lab. Right. This led to an audit of the lab, and the results were not good. It turned out that the lab had a leaky roof that they've been trying to get funds to fix. I'm sorry. What? Since 1995. I'm sorry. What did you just say to me? Yeah, they had a bad leaky roof. So you're telling me that the fucking thin line between conviction for 25 to life and exoneration is a leaky roof? Well, that's not the only issue, but that was indicative of the troubles and the misallocation. Yeah, that's not good. Not being able to allocate funds. Right. Because I think one of the bigger issues is that there were only two analysts working in the lab, which is way too few for a city as huge as Houston. Wow, that's great. Yeah. That's real

great stuff. Yeah. The audit not only looked at the state of affairs at the lab, it also reviewed historical cases to identify potential flaws with evidence that came out of the lab. The lab was closed in December 2002. And going back to the early 1990s, the audit found, quote, major issues in 43 out of 135 cases that they looked at. That's too many. Definitely. And it also included four death penalty cases. That's a problem. Oh, fuck me. So many of the labs potentially flawed pieces of work had ultimately been confirmed by independent testing. So a number of the errors that they made that were major issues. Sure. Some of them were not about the accuracy of the results. Right. Just the process and documentation and stuff like that. After sending this to the varsity

team, they actually got it right. And they confirmed that surprise. We also got it right. But fuck if we knew we were going to, we might have in unreliably got it right. Right. Right. Right. But unfortunately, there was that one definitive case where they were responsible for this wrongful conviction and also this audit uncovered a total of 52 cases that they had on their books that hadn't been confirmed by outside testing and doing so at that point would likely be impossible. Right. And thus, quote, the possibility of other wrongful convictions resulting from DNA analysis during this era cannot be dismissed. Yeah. This is a big, big problem. Yeah. A lot of the other areas of the Houston Police Department labs were found to actually be

pretty solid in the audit. The areas for toxicology, trace evidence and firearm testing did a good job. But that DNA part was a serious, serious problem. Yeah. You know, the thing that everybody uses to convict people and says is smoking gun evidence, you know, that, that, that small part of the process, you know, DNA, you know, the small part, the Houston Police Department suspended the lab and internal affairs reviewed any criminal and administrative violations that could have been made in the running of the lab. And this resulted in a fair amount of house cleaning, like a bunch of people resigned. The DA opened two grand juries into possible criminal charges for the lab's operation, but neither ended up returning any indictments. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. At the

point that Alex is on air talking about this, there's a massive review going on into the errors that had been made in the past, but the lab was not still operating. And I'm certain that the police chief Clarence Bradford said nothing really close to what Alex is, is alleging. I do. I do like the idea of a police chief just snapping and just being like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to tell everybody everything. This, this blue wall of silence. I'm fucking done with it. That motherfucker killed six people yesterday. I don't even know. I did see some comments that he'd made about like prosecutors wanting to win as opposed to seeking justice or whatever. And I think some of that might have been affected by the fact that he got in trouble with the law. Sure. Sure. Sure.

And he had just had a case against him for like perjury. Sure. Well, I mean, who hasn't perjured a little bit. So when, when you have somebody who's being critical of the justice system, even though they're the chief of police, it's kind of relevant that they had just had a brush with the law. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't know. That does tend to be important. Anyway, that lab shit is very serious. Like it's a really, it's a really serious story. And the way Alex is covering it does a real disservice to the reality. Totally. The hard work that people were doing within the audit and, you know, the innocence project type organizations that were trying to make sure whatever information that could be gleaned from this could be used to free people who

had been wrongfully convicted. No, it's not surprising whenever, I mean, a genre of true crime is railroaded and put in jail unjustly. You know, like it's not like we have a small number of those documentaries just floating around out there. That shit is pumped out on the regular for Netflix. So yeah. So Alex has a bit of a mis-telling of this, this Houston crime lab story. And I think again, this is one of the points that I really want to make is like, this is a serious story. And Alex turns it into a joke by reporting it poorly. The Houston crime lab has framed thousands publicly. And they think it's funny that they plant DNA or make up DNA results or plant hair or fibers. And it's just pandemic.

This is a disservice to actual reporting. Yeah. And a story like this requires actual reporting because it's, it's a big, big deal. Police chief here. We've never convicted a guilty man. Not once, right? Zero times. We've framed thousands of people and it's hilarious. Everyone and we laugh about it at the Christmas party. That's what it's all for. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's turning this into a cartoon story. Absolutely. Yes. They can't do anything about it. It just makes you mad. It's supposed to make you mad. It's the villains from Captain Planet you're fighting against. It's a half rat man. Yeah. Okay. Fine. Sure. So Alex, he's worried about crime naturally. But there's no justice in Houston, but Texas is great because they allow you to have

guns. Alex doesn't know how he would live in a state where he couldn't protect himself in his home from the roving gangs of crackheads or breaking into everybody's house. I'm going to throw this out at you. Super easy. So easy. I have zero guns. So now after that, Alex gets into talking about how in Texas, I don't know if you know this. I don't know interesting phenomenon. Okay. When people break into cars in Texas, specifically in Texas, in Texas. Okay. What they do is they only break into cars that are parked on the street. Like if it's outside your house and it's on the street, they'll break into it. Right. If it's in the driveway, they won't. Okay. So we're operating on a safe zone rules, traditional tag rules, you know, like I'm in the home base. Gotcha.

Alex will explain why in this clip. That's good. I can't imagine what it would be like sleeping in my house without firearms and in bands of crackheads and heroin heads running around, busting down doors, raping and killing. I mean, they don't do that in Texas because they know what happens. These crooks, by the way, are smart. In my neighborhood, they've had a lot of cars getting broken into. There has not been one car broken into that. I know I've talked to all the neighbors and that we've been robbed as well. All of the neighbors. There's not been one person who's been robbed when the car is parked in the parking lot. You park it on the street and that's what happened to us. They will come after you. Do you know why? Because they know that Texans

know that we can't kill them if they're robbing our cars on the street. But you come on my driveway, I can kill you and I will, by the way. If I ever, I got cameras up and if I see somebody in my car, I'm going to go out and I'm going to, I don't know. I don't want the trouble of killing them. I'll probably just tell them to get on the ground or they try something with a weapon. I probably shoot them. It's really nice of you. Plus, I don't really know if somebody just robbing my car needs to die. But that is legal and lawful. And if you feel threatened in state law, go ahead and do it and I'll back you. That's a strange sort of weird discussion that he's having with himself on it. Trying to figure out the ethics of shooting someone for rifling through your car.

It did have a little bit of a philosophy class kind of vibe to it where he's going like, well, okay, so, all right, I do think it's right to protect myself. However, is the value of the objects in the car worth a human life? On the other hand, does that mean that there are any valuable objects that are worth a human life? Should it be $30,000? Is that what I should kill a man for? I was a philosophy minor in college and I can tell you that usually you'd explore a little deeper than what Alex was doing. This is not a good philosophy class. It's very superficial. And you'll hear that he, before he got to the point where it's like, I don't know if it's worth killing someone if they're robbing my car. The first thing he thought of was the hassle.

Yeah, yeah, it is true that his biggest problem was, I'll have to go to court and I'll have to be like, I didn't do it on purpose. I don't know if it's worth the trouble. Yeah. That's the real problem with killing people. It's just a whole fucking thing afterwards. But we know that Alex has killed a lot of people. Wow. I mean, he hasn't killed nobody. Based on his telling of it, he's killed a lot of people. That's how he knows how much of a hassle it is. He's stomped guts out and people died slow. It's true. He's a sick motherfucker who likes to kill. He is really fucked up. So yeah, he talks about some of his stories of fighting here in this next clip, which is really weird. It's really weird to hear him talk about stuff like this when we know that later he'll

tell these stories about how he killed people. It's real quaint back in 2003. And Scott, when the tagging of a child would be considered in cases where the youngster had already broken an antisocial behavior order. See, it's now antisocial behavior, yelling, cussing, fist fighting. Kids have been seen wrestling. I mean, who didn't do that? No! I mean, I was never to big potty mouth, but we certainly would go play baseball after school in a field in the neighborhood. And there were fist fights almost every couple of weeks. I wasn't always involved in them, but I mean, you know, fist fights did take place. Somebody hit a baseball. We played baseball and it would hit somebody in the head and they'd say, you did

that on purpose and there'd be a fist fight. That happens now. You get tagged, you go to jail, you get into the system. Leaving out the murder part. Wow. Or the I was constantly jumped by all the black people at town. And this telling he's just kind of a kid who gets into fights whenever stuff goes wrong in a baseball game. That's very nice. It's like a little bit of a rough sandlot. Yeah, it is very much a rough. There was a fist fight in sandlot. Sure. That's normal. You know what, man? When you get into fights and the coaches at school would hear about it, they would punish you in just a folksy ass way. I know this. We didn't have all the school shootings and all the problems because people would work it out in a fist fight.

And if the coaches in school caught you fighting, they'd say, okay, you've had your fight, but they'd stand there and let you fight. They go, okay, now that you're done fighting, how about we go run until you puke your guts out? I got in a few fights, not a lot of fights. And I remember they walked out to the football stadium around the track and the coach sitting there drinking lemonade, filling out, doing test scores. You know, they all taught classes. I remember running around the track for an hour, hour and a half with the coach yelling faster every time we rounded the bend and scoring homework assignments. And you didn't want to get in a fight again after you had, oh, and then generally they would catch you doing something small

the next time and they'd take you in and give you four or five swats. You'd have a big old bruise across your hind end. Where's the murder? I was going to say, what's the time? This is 2003. So it takes about anywhere from 15 to 20 years to go from when I got into a fight, my coach made me run suicides to, I curbstomped six people while surrounded by the fucking Denver Broncos. And let me tell you, I liked it. It was the best. I liked it because I was demonic at the time. I put my hands in their blood and wiped it on my face to prove my warrior strike. Yeah, this story really. It's a pyrite. It's like starting with a 1950s idyllic. We used to play stick ball in between the streets and

whenever a car would drive by, we would shake our fists at it. You wrote in the game, sir. It's starting with like, me and my friends would chase a hoop down the road. And then like a couple years later, the story is fucking squid game. I was forced to kill my friend. Watch my friends die. Every year, one person had to die in order to keep the school open. Yes. They were the sacrificial lamb. Yes, of course. Like in the good old days. I think that the 2003 version of these stories is a lot more believable. It's very believable. Sounds like an actual story. It's certainly relatable. I remember when I played basketball in junior high. I dropped the coach's ring. He was a football player. He was on the NFL. Oh, shit. He had a Super Bowl ring.

Oh, shit. I dropped it accidentally down a well. No, just on some carpet. Nothing happened, but he was like, you're running. Yeah, you're running or I'm picking you up by the throat. Which do you prefer? You know what to do. Yeah. All right. All right. I got you. There is that fun relationship between a boy and his coach where the coach just looks at you and you go, all right, fine. And start running away. Yep. Yep. And you know what? I, you know, now that I actually articulate this and say this out loud, I wonder if that actually was a Super Bowl ring because I bet it wasn't. Yeah, I bet it was something else. I find it now looking back as a 37 year old person. I find it almost inconceivable that he brought like a Super Bowl ring

to a junior high basketball practice. That does seem odd. Although it would impress the hell out of everybody there. Hard not to say that too. I do know that he did win a Super Bowl. That is true. Okay. Yeah, he absolutely did. With who? I think the Giants. His name was Jerome Sally. Oh shit. Sally. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He, uh, he was, he was a tough, tough egg. I imagine so. I imagine so. Yeah. I also, all right, kids. I coach Steve Young. Now let's go get eight points today. Yeah. I also had an issue too with like he went to the same church that I went to. So he knew me before he was my coach and that also kind of led to him having a little bit of a discomfort. He picked on me a little bit. Yeah. I don't like it. It was

fun. It was, it was, it was a fun time. Um, but yeah, I look back on that and like I had to have been some other sort of ring. Yeah. I know that I dropped a ring that was of sentimental value and in my head, I thought it was a Super Bowl ring. Sure. Sure. Maybe it wasn't. And then I ended up running forever. Right. Right. I didn't throw up though. And then I murdered a lot of people. That does sound like my memory of you telling me this story several years ago for the first time. I remember we were hanging out at a bar after we recorded the show and you were like, I can't believe, I can't wait to tell you this story. Dropped a Super Bowl ring, murdered six people. Now my coach was actually in the Super Bowl. So I told you at the beginning

of this episode that, uh, we have a new reason, uh, to stay in the past. And that is that I had forgotten the timeline exactly. But 2003 is when Gray Davis, the governor of California, has a recall against him and it is just starting up here. Oh boy. And that leads us to something very important. I'm sitting here leading Arnold Schwarzenegger's bio for a possible run for governor of California and they like him over there. He's for gun control. He's a good Bush Republican. He is for massive gun control. So, uh, I'm sure that you will all enjoy that. And, uh, he also, of course, is pro-abortion. So he's a good neocon. So it won't matter if you get rid of Davis. You'll just have some creature like Arnold

Schwarzenegger. Alex hates Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I believe that this period where there is the runoff election, uh, the recall excuse, right? I think that this will be, I think he's going to go nuts. I think, I think it's going to be a really, really interesting period. I am surprised he hates Arnold Schwarzenegger. I am. I don't know why. I feel like there's something about Arnold that he should enjoy. Like he should see something in Arnold that reminds him of masculinity of some sort, right? It seems like he would be attracted to that. Yeah. You'd think that they're just based on that. Yeah. On the testosterone alone. I'm sure he wouldn't want to articulate to somebody how attracted he is to strong men,

but I think that would be odd. I don't know exactly what the, the bone that he's picking is, but I know that he had a website that he was running that was like Arnold exposed. Like he goes all out against Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. And does Jesse hate, does Ventura hate, uh, hate Arnold? I'm not sure. I actually haven't heard Alex bring up Jesse Ventura much at this, in this 2003 period. Interesting. Yeah. I know they probably, I don't know when did Ventura run? That's a good question. Yeah. I don't remember. It's hard to remember the crazy governors from each state, just like how in Texas, there's no such thing as justice because of all the DNA tampering. So every state has had a

super insane governor at one point or another. Jesse Ventura had just stopped being a governor. His term ended in 2003. Right. So, uh, I don't know. So this would have been the rise of Michelle Bachman. Sure. This would have been the beginning of the beginning of the end of, uh, a reasonable communication. I don't know. Yeah. So I am now, uh, staying in the past, uh, under the guys of tracking Alex's coverage of, uh, the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run. That's what I'm excited about now. You're going to have to come up with a good name for this investigation. Yeah. I'll, I'll come up with a pun. The sixth day. Collateral damage. Yes. I also am still interested in seeing when Alex gets, uh, uh, uh, accepts reality about the bath party. Oh,

yeah. That would be interesting. That's something else that I'm still tracking. So we're just saying the 2003, uh, time frame where to God, the next episode we do in the present, he's going to be like, and the bath party is still in power in Iraq. Yeah. And they're taking over the global. Exactly. So Alex talks here about a cousin of his. I think it's Buckley. Maybe it is. Could be. I don't know. Probably. He's got a big family. Well, Confederate royalty. Well, if, if this is Buckley, his resume is much larger than house DJ and former info wars employee. Okay. Okay. Because he did some real serious business. Okay. I've gone in and I've looked at, when I first heard this, I mean, I, I actually, I was stationed down at Berkshire

Maryforce base. I was in the 12th tactical intelligence squadron. Um, you're familiar with that. Um, well now Berkshire mason is the airport, but, but my cousin's there merging the army, uh, with the police right now. I'm sorry. What? Um, I, I tell you what, I was an Air Force intelligence. And when, when 911, I'm watching the TV and I'm thinking, this is absolutely impossible. There's absolutely no way this could happen without them letting it happen or being part of it. And that's when I want to search. And that's when I found you. And I'll tell you what, Alex, you tell it just like it is. So I don't know if Buckley, uh, merged the police and the military, but you might have been doing that at the airport. I mean, if it was

Buckley's, uh, job, that would explain why it didn't happen. And when, uh, when people say that Alex is like CIA and shit like that, uh, this is the kind of the reason why some of those people get those theories is because he's like, my cousin is merging the police with the military. How can you maintain that level of like familiarity with your cousin? If your cousin is literally implementing what you think is the fucking end of the world, your cousin is killing. Hey, buddy, let's, uh, listen, I think what you're doing is wrong. Anyways, we'll see you Thanksgiving. You gotta agree to disagree. Some time. Come on. So also this caller really touches on an important dynamic.

In response to a national tragedy like 9 11, he convinces himself there's no way that something like that could just happen. It had to have been a conspiracy. He decides. So reaching that conclusion, that happens before he goes out looking for information. So what he's actually doing is less about seeking truth and more about finding someone who will help him feel secure in the conclusion that he's already come to. He wants to be the choir for someone else to preach to, and Alex fills that role quite well. Yeah. Almost no one gets convinced to follow Alex or believe what he says, because if they were using the rational parts of their brain or they're engaging with the information he puts out, it'd be almost impossible to take him seriously. The path is often

more like what this caller is describing where there's actually no persuasion necessary. Alex doesn't have to do any convincing. He's just saying the things that these folks are craving to hear someone say based on the feelings that they have surrounding, I don't know, not feeling comfortable with the randomness of life. Right. That dynamic is also really, really active in the present day stuff about COVID. It's something that is worth thinking about. Yeah. I can't accept a chaotic universe is ultimately the fundamental problem with everything that we do right now. It does. It does lead to a lot of like bad thought patterns. So one of the products of the chaotic universe that we live in is that there have been tied. What? One of the products of the

like detergent. Oh, sure. Literal product. Oh, another one is that there have been a hundred different versions of the Hulk. That's true. That is so many. So many versions of the Hulk. Oh man. He hadn't even seen Avengers by this point. We're still back on Edward Norton's Hulk. He hadn't been almost casted the Avengers. No, that was Guardians of the Galaxy. Aren't they part of the Avengers universe? They are part of the Avengers universe. That's true. There you go. That's true. That's true. So Alex saw the Hulk. Wait, what? Yeah. He has some thoughts. Okay. But let me give you a really good example of mind control. I went to saw a late night edition of the Hulk last night and the bad guy in the movie. He is anti-world government. He's anti-corrupt

government. Sounds like you got a star in the background. Make sure to call Sam. I appreciate it and thanks for that information. What just happened? They go in and they, you know, at the end of the movie, the bad guys against big government. See, it's always that message. The bad guys against big government. And you watch the daytime talk shows. The Jerry Springers. They'll have some toothless clan guy up there calling black people all these horrible names. Then he'll add to it. By the way, it's a New World Order. New World Order. And he'll speak out against the New World Order and taxes and regulation in the UN. So now when, I mean, they would never have me on one of those shows because I bring people together to defeat the

New World Order to expose the threat. Sure. The times that Alex has been on shows, he certainly was bringing people together. Yeah. Comporting himself like a respectable gentleman. Yeah. Really bringing the information to the table, not just screaming plugs for infowars.com. You know, I think, when I think of Alex, I think there's just not been anyone so much like Fred Hampton in my lifetime. You know, somebody who can bring together all of the lower class. Doesn't matter what race. Doesn't matter what creed. Bring them in. That's that's Alex is a unified unifying force. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, I think that I have some bad news for Alex and like the people who are super racist and also are against the New World Order. Sure. They aren't plants.

No, they're just there's a lot of racists in your community. Yeah. Yeah. I think Alex's real problem is more that they pick a racist without teeth. He would he would prefer that he were to go on these shows so he could be the racist screaming about the New World Order and he'd have a really nice teeth. He'd have gotten braces away before. Yeah. These people are being too publicly contemptible. Yes. Yeah. Whereas if I were to go on there, I would make racism look good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And the Hulk apparently is mind control. Sure. I'm fine with that. What about the other one? What about the next one? What other one? The next one is before this or after? I think this I think he must be talking about the Ang Lee one because I think

the Ang Lee one came before the Edward Norton one and that came before what's his dumb face took over as the Hulk for the Avengers. Uh-huh. You know, the Ang Lee Hulk was the 2003 one. Nice. Yeah. So that's the Eric Banna. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So let's see. Norton would have been in what like 2008 or 2009 or something? Yeah. Not far away. 2008 is the Incredible Hulk. Yeah. Right. Right. Edward Norton one. Yeah. Wow. Crazy. Marvel has dominated by adult life in a kind of brutal fashion and pretty shocking that you nailed both like both of those years. No, it's really, it makes me question my sanity. Yep. Yeah. I know that I watched those. I don't remember them. Here's the worst part. I think I was bored. Here's the worst part.

Yeah. Never saw both of those. I've never seen one of the Hulk movies. That is rough. That is weird. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex, take some calls. Uh, as you heard the siren in the set call, those guy who's on the phone. Um, and Alex gets a little bit upset at this next caller who brings up a certain radio host. I was like, who is this? And Alex doesn't give me very many clues. Okay. See the neocons will take some issue that has some importance, but is dwarfed by all these other issues. I heard that same host on Monday saying Harry Potter's good and it's not the occult and and it's not a problem. Oh yeah. They just released it on the summer solstice folks. Folks. I mean, come on and you can't see that you're blind. Yeah. Yeah. Now, if you can't see that Harry Potter is demonic because

they released one of the five books on the solstice, right? You're blind. I mean, it tracks to me. So apparently some host was on the radio. Right. There's neocon was talking about how Harry Potter isn't evil. Yeah. Demonic. Yeah. And Alex does not enjoy this. Uh, it turns out, I believe this is Michael Savage because Alex complains a bit more about Michael Savage throughout this. Um, he gets another call from somebody who's like, Hey, you know, I was trying to turn my friends on to your show. I told this guy to listen, right? And so I told him and then he told me that I did listen and I called the FBI because that dude's crazy. Yeah. He tells this story twice. Okay. Then Alex brings in his guest for the show, which is Ray McGovern. So a guy who's

been on quite a bit, like an old intelligence analyst. Sure. Sure. Um, and Alex wants the caller to tell Ray this story. It's just, it's, he tells the story so many times and it's, it's not even a good story. That's terrible. Ray, I just wanted to illustrate that because I hear this national talk show host here locally in Austin say every day, I mean, I tune in probably 10 times. I've heard it five times. Anyone that disagrees with the government should be arrested and put in the camp. Were you aware of what Michael Savage is saying? No, I'm afraid I, uh, I'm allergic to listening to most things. Alex, it's, uh, I'm not aware of it, but I'm not surprised. Yeah. So this caller has, uh, told this story for the third time. Right. And now, uh, Alex is

like, yeah, there's, you know, it's like the FBI, you call it the FBI. They want to put me in jail. Yeah. Like Michael Savage is calling for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It, it metastasized instantly. I find it fascinating that, uh, Michael Savage is so hated by Alex at this point and like in the future, Alex will be like, he's always been a great hero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you with survivor, you know, you just, he's just been beaten down by so much Michael Savage over the years. He's like, Hey, he says enough of the stuff I like to hear. Don't think that's analogous, but fine. Uh, so Alex has this interview with Ray McGovern for about the like rest of the show. And I find it very boring. It's basically just, Hey, Iraq sucks, like not Iraq, the country,

the war. It's a bad and sure, sure, sure, sure. Why not? Yeah. War is bad. Yes. I'm with you. And Ray McGovern expresses that he feels bad for the people in Iraq. And yeah, good. Yeah, that's the totally the right take. But then he says something that I would have thought Alex would freak out about. And it's kind of disappointing that he doesn't. I feel incredibly angry. Alex, not only at what's going on, but, but what's being done not only to these children to the Iraqis, but what's being done to the souls of our troops. We really can't blame the troops. You know, they signed up most of them from the inner city, most of them from the farms. They hope that the army would give them away into an education and so forth. They didn't

bargain for this. And now they're being trained to be blood thirsty psychopaths. Yeah. They're going to come back here and become our police officers. And if somebody says, Oh, you don't support the troops, shut up. Hey, a unit of Delta Force came back and in one week killed four of their wives, folks. Something's happening to their souls. Go ahead, Ray. So that's a really important aspect of all this. As for, you know, as for what needs to be done, well, clearly this needs to be internationalized. We can't pretend to have the answer to these things. We had no plan going in. We had no plan for what would happen after the war. So we need to get the UN in there. And we also need to invite you and inspect your spec. So that should be something that leads to

fireworks. Yeah. No, Alex should have been like, Yeah, like he's like, well, we should bring in the devil. Yeah, exactly. That's what Alex should do. That is, and it doesn't lead to a fight. It's really disappointing. We're going to need the front man for evil to step in and fight this battle for us. We need to internationalize this. I can't believe that somebody would say that to Alex's face. And Alex would not react like that. Yep. I think part of it is at this point, Ray McGovern is kind of somebody who has some credibility. And I don't think Alex wants to lose that once again, we get into status imbalance, leading to Alex being a scaredy cat. Yeah. And at this point, Alex is incredibly low status comparatively. And I think that's that's why he does point. He

does speak up and is like, Oh, the UN is actually bad. And Ray isn't having any of it. But it doesn't lead to a fight. It just it just leads to them talking. They're having separate conversation, essentially. Like Alex says one thing, Ray kind of ignores it and says another. Yeah, it's not it. I wanted it to be a fight. That's such a that and that's also one of those things with Alex that's such a tell for me and is is like, regardless of all the other shit, like somebody who's so that aware of how status imbalance should change the way that they to the point where it's so obvious he's just a bully. Yeah. You know, like that's what the every interaction with a status imbalance shows is Alex is just a bully. That's it. But he's also a bully with a bad radar. Yeah,

that's true. He also thought that he could bully like Bill Ayers. That is true. And that is true. That blew up in his face. Well, yeah, but that's because Bill Ayers is a lefty socialist monster. So it should be easy when you have the power of the Lord behind you to say get behind me saying right bad radar, bad radar bullying, right? Yeah, I also think that there's something. I just I just feel like if you believe that the UN is an instrument of trying to it's explicitly from the beginning has been about bringing in the New World Order, a one world government, which is going to be run by the anti Christ and Satan, right? If somebody is being like, well, I think we need to bring in the UN in order to fix this mess that is happening in Iraq

and international solutions are necessary. You should not be able to move on to any other subject until this is cleared up. And if you have a fundamental disagreement, you should be like, thank you very much. I cannot talk to you, right? Because you believe in the devil, right? Right, exactly. Doesn't do that because it's not serious. Yeah. What I do and somebody says something like that is I scream uncontrollably and start barking like a dog. Yeah, he has like a political opposition to, you know, international solutions to problems. And he masks that with it's the devil because it's more interesting and fun and it pokes his listeners emotional buttons brutal. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we move on to the 25th because the Ray McGovern interview is not really

all that good. Alex starts out the show saying something that is really funny, really silly. Welcome, my friends. Welcome to another live edition of the Alex Jones show where we talk about real issues that actually say you and your family. No, I'm sorry, we're not going to discuss how stupid Hillary Clinton is or how dumb Jesse Jackson is or or how the Democrats are traders. We already know that we're going to address on this show the neocons that are expanding government, grabbing our guns, getting rid of our borders, selling us out to a world government and then claiming they're conservative. Wait a couple years and see how much you talk about Hillary being stupid. Oh, shit. Jesus, man. I like that

that's an issue that is not relevant to his collars and their families at this point and then becomes the only relevant issue. That's the only thing that's ever been important. She's been working with the devil since she was born. Alex saw it in a dream prophetically and that's why he can say, fuck it, you don't need to pay attention to Hillary Clinton. Fine. Yeah. So almost the first hour of this episode is Alex yelling about how he's the one who really supports the troops. And honestly, I don't want to split too many hairs about this because most of the point that he's making is fine. And that is if you do support the troops, you should not support sending them into an unjust war where people are going to get killed and forcing them to be in a situation where

they could kill civilians and have that on their conscience. And that's not an arguable thing. Yeah. And he's like, you know, and if you support the troops, you should support health care for veterans and, you know, like all this stuff. Like, yes, fine point. Right. Good job. Good job. But it's about the almost the whole first hour. So here's a little taste. Supporting the troops doesn't mean using them like, well, like birdcage liner and loving America doesn't mean, again, I talk about plastic Chinese desecrated American flags. I am offended. I'm the type of guy who would get a tear in my eye during the Star Spangled Banner during the Pledge of Allegiance. And I still do, in fact, even more so because I think of how this country is being ruined by fake,

shallow phonies who are so stupid politically that they don't even know that they are ultra liberals. The liberals are so liberal now and so mind controlled that they call themselves conservatives. Holy shit, man. Wow. He's really above the left-right paradigm. Wave above it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think that that it really is a clear articulation of what he believes his politics to be. And that is that the left is super evil, super bad. And the conservatives are actually just the left. They're pretending to be the right, but they're the left. Yeah. He conceives of himself as just like being conservative when he's extremely far to the right. Right. Right. Right. The problem with the neocons is that they're Democrats and Democrats are the problem. Yeah. So it doesn't

matter what you call yourself. Anybody I don't like is a Democrat. Yes. Yeah. His problem with the left and the right isn't that like they each have problems and things that there are like, okay, this is where you're wrong here a little bit. It's that they're the same thing and they're all to the left of him. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. I'm so far right. Everything is to the left of me. So I hate everything. Yeah. And he's able to trick people into thinking that he's above this sort of dichotomy and he's able to trick people into thinking he's sensible because he has sensible positions like this. Supporting the troops doesn't mean supporting them being used to have this nonsense war. Right. And also I think he's a little bit of a blowhard. I get a tear in

my eye. Oh my God. I hear the Star Spangled Banner and I cry. Fuck off. Jesus. Ridiculous. Imagine crying saying the Pledge of Allegiance as an adult. As an adult. Single tier. Oh my God. Let me pledge allegiance to this thing destroying me. Christ. I only think that that could happen if it was the culmination of like a really traumatic experience or something like that. Like I'm in a movie kind of experience. Sure. Maybe I live Independence Day. The movie. Okay. The movie Independence Day. And then at the end we say the Pledge of Allegiance. Then I might cry. Right. So I will have had to leave this attack of these aliens. Right. So Bill Pullman is just given his big. This is the Independence Day for the world speech. Then we got a we got the dude

flying up into the thing. The whole thing explodes and then Bill Pullman leads you in the Pledge of Allegiance. Tear. Tear. I get it. I get it. In those circumstances that's okay. Will Smith comes up behind you and hugs you. Yeah. Yeah. No totally. I get it. Did Jeff Goldblum survive? Yes. Jeff Goldblum survived. Okay. You made it into the sequel. That's right. Talk about a status imbalance. Will Smith did not. What about. I can't remember who else is in that movie. So we get to a little more Harry Potter talk here. So Alex gets a call from a guy who's like hey man. Hey man. Hey man. What if the release of Harry Potter is just a distraction. Alex says. Oh shit. Alex says no. Okay. John you're on the air.

Yes. Is the Harry Potter rollout on the summer solstice designed to divert attention from Bohemian Grove and the Franklin coverup. I don't think so. But those who don't know the Harry Potter books do get kids into witchcraft. It is a fact. Don't deny it. Fact. Just like a Christian book is designed to get kids into Christianity and they do roll the books out on winter or summer solstice and it is a cult and that's basically what this is all about getting us away from our Christian values and anybody that denies that just doesn't study it. Oh right. Okay. So witches do the exact same thing this Christians do but witches are a cult. Christians aren't a cult. That's completely different because we're right about things because God is real. He gives us the powers to banish demons,

control magic and you know the whole thing right. Yeah. Yeah. I what sort of Christian book are you talking about? There's a lot of books that are sold to Christian bookstores that are like persuasive or like Bible study kind of books. There's a book and it's just about a character who happens to be Christian. I don't think it would necessarily be a persuasive book towards like evangelizing. Right. And the same way that Harry Potter isn't trying to get you into witchcraft. It's just a child who goes to a school because he's a fucking wizard. Right. But isn't he kind of implying that a book written by a Christian similar to Harry Potter would specifically have the unspoken you should join Christianity

element to it. And that's he's applying that instantly to a Harry Potter book because it only makes sense for him. If that's the case for Christians to do it. Why wouldn't the witches be doing it. I mean it's possible but I think one of the other things to there's an undercurrent that I think Alex is lamenting and that is that if this book was about a child like Harry Potter who is destined to go to a monastery sure or something. Sure. Become a monk. Sure. Okay. It wouldn't be as cool as Harry Potter. Right. Right. And so you get the kids who are like freaking out about like oh my God I love this book where the kid becomes a monk. Now I'm thinking of what if Umberto Echo wrote Harry Potter with all the Christian iconography.

Interesting. I think I think it would it would have a tougher time catching on not because of an aversion to Christianity and pop culture. Yeah. Just because that's not being a monk isn't as cool to kids. True. As being a wizard. True. Because there's magic. True. And semiotics professors don't necessarily relate to the the children's trends these days. Hmm. So this same caller is like hey man. Hey man. Yeah. Anyone go into the grove this year. You're gonna go check out the grove. Alex is not doing anything Friday. You go into the grove. Alex says no. Oh and then this caller breaks some important news. Okay. Is anybody gonna go out there with video this year? Well I snuck in three years ago. Three years July 15th. It'll be three years. And I don't know. I

certainly won't ever be going back there. I gave copies of that tape and your 911 tape to Ralph Nader and Congressman John Duncan Republican and Law Professor RFK Jr. So at this point I'm thinking wait you know Ralph Nader. It does seem like he is like hey Ralph sends him a little text message. I got this thing to get you. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a little bit interesting. That's odd. The story goes on. Okay. Entity. So their office seemed to be pretty impressed with that. Wait. Wait. So you heard back from I'm sorry. So you're telling me that Ralph Nader sent you a message saying like whoa Alex cat really did find something. Yeah. Yeah. They got together and we're talking about seatbelts. Right. Right. Naturally. No. No. Of course.

RFK Jr. is there. And they're like that Alex video is pretty good. Okay. I was like wow this caller. This is a big deal. Wait a second. Is this where RFK Jr. goes crazy. Oh no. Did he give Alex thing and that's the beginning of it all. You never know. Oh man. This could be he's cute. You say they were impressed with it. Yeah. They say after after they watch it they seem to change their their attitude on television. It may just be coincidence. Maybe they never watched it. But Nader did jump ship from the Green Party and is now apparently running for Republican presidential nominee and he's attacking Bush on C-span really hard and that's disappointing. He just like mailed them the video and never heard back and then he saw something Nader said

on TV the next couple of weeks ago and he's like well clearly Nader saw this is gotta be about me sending him Alex's tape. Yeah. This is definitely not me talking to the TV. That would be crazy. No. And Ralph Nader did not run for Republican. He went independent for the the 2004 election and a big part of that was sort of the Republican for it wasn't right enough for them. They weren't far right enough for Ralph Nader. Right. Yeah. It was an electoral strategy. Yeah. They used. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't so much that Alex Jones's video blew his mind and he left the Green Party. Oh man. Ralph Nader. Yeah. Leaving the Green Party because of Fahrenheit 9 11. I think it's really fun the way that Alex responded to that caller because there was a moment where

he thought like oh you know Ralph Nader Ralph Nader really did like my yeah. So disappointing. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah. At a certain point he's got to learn not to get his hopes up. Yeah. That's a terrible idea. Yeah. Don't take any of these callers seriously. You know a lot of the times 99 percent of callers to most shows don't really have any information and one percent. Whoa. They really are on it. A hundred percent of Info Wars callers are going to lie to you about knowing whether or not the TV is speaking to them. And interestingly 99 percent of Alex's callers have a career in intelligence. So weird. It's so weird. It's so weird. They're all in space command. So we talked on a recent 2003 episode about

Alex's conspiracy about UNESCO wanting to destroy the family and how that's bullshit. But apparently they do want to destroy. Oh they do. Yeah. OK. And again we have UNESCO Bush assigned on to saying I read it last week their official document the family is the enemy is a disease official UNESCO documents posted at Newsmax we link to it. I've read it right out of the UT textbooks the Calhoun reader the family is the enemy we will destroy it. This is how you do it. It's not a stereotype. It's a unit of survival and strength. Your kid is four to five times more likely to have been prison on drugs if they do not have a man in the house. Doesn't work to have two women. Doesn't work to have two men. We are

genetically engineered by God to follow a certain pattern and they know it. That's why they're trying to destroy it. Yeah. So Alex's belief in family systems being heteronormative and you know one man one woman. Right. It's not it's it's not based on something that's changeable. It's based on his belief that God genetically engineered humans to be that way. Yes. That's the only system that works. That's. And to do otherwise is an affront to God. Right. Because God could not have thought ahead and saw people not acting like the way you wanted him to. Right. That's crazy. So what you could do is you could I don't know find statistics about two parent households where you know it's a woman and a woman or man and a man or a combination

of gender. Sure. Sure. And they would show obviously that you're four to five times more likely to be. You could find that that's not the case. There is a relative similarities and outcomes. I mean and in households and it wouldn't matter to Alex. You could have any statistic you want because that's just statistic has nothing to do with disproving that God genetically made us in a certain way. I was going to say did God write those statistics. Right. It's it's it's a way that this argument can never really actually be had. Nope. But Alex will throw things in like four to five times more likely to end up in prison if you don't have a man in the in the home. But then what about two men. It's you know here's what's fun. Here's

what's fun about this type of stuff. Have you ever noticed how the answer ultimately will always be because God said so. And yet somehow there are so many things that they also want to say on top of that. Right. You know if your ultimate answer is because God said so why are you telling me that there are statistics to back it up because you don't want to start with that because then you sound like a crazy religious zealot. You got it. Right. Yep. Anyway the Washington Post apparently has an article about how they're going to outlaw the Bible. Okay. Did you hear about that. The Washington Post is going to outlaw it. No they they in a vague term. Let's call him UNESCO. Sure. Yeah. The Washington Post is savagely basically attacking Mel Gibson

wrist film about Christ. The ADL says a description why and going from the King James version actually reading out of the Bible is the text of the film is maybe a crime. I'm going to read this article next hour. They're calling for it to be changed. They say showing the Pharisees calling for the death of Christ is anti-semitic. And I read the BBC News article last year. There may be a ban on the New Testament and large areas of the Old Testament. So again this is the new system as well. Oh wow. I would have switched that around. I assumed that the ban would be on the Old Testament. So the passion of the Christ wouldn't actually come out until the next year but at this point many advocacy groups like the ADL had been given copies of the script. They were a little bit

concerned with the way that this story was being told. For one thing Mel Gibson was taking a great deal of artistic license seemingly mostly in ways that painted Jews as being evil and blood thirsty. Well you know in the horizon. Given Gibson's subsequent behavior I would say it's probably not an accident. Also I didn't realize this until I was checking in on the passion's release date but they're actually making a sequel that's due to be released next year. Wait what? Yeah. In our time? Yes it's 2022. They're making a sequel to the passion of the Christ about the resurrection. Oh I was going to say I was like you can't repassion that Christ. No no it's the next sort of story within that million chain. So this is going to be a huge mess I think considering

that Jim Caviesal is set to play Jesus again and in the year since the first one he's gone completely insane and is now a big QAnon guy. His star has risen beyond what even Jesus could have hoped. He's particularly big on promoting adrenochrome related conspiracies which of course are really just a modern day rehashing of the blood libel. I do not look forward to this movie coming out because whatever accusations that were about antisemitism in the first one I can't imagine how amplified they're going to be this time. That is fucking wild. We are going to make a movie about the most famous Jew of all time to make sure everyone hates the Jews. Yeah. I think there's even just a fundamentally offensive thing about like Jim Caviesal playing

Jesus again at this point. Oh white dude. Sure there's an element of that there too but more to the fact that he's an active promoter of antisemitic conspiracy theories. It seems fraught. Yeah well I mean but even then Mel Gibson was part of his I'm sure he was part of his dad's church at this point in time and they were violently antisemitic so it's not like antisemitism has caused a problem in for his career you know. Yep. I'm not looking forward to this movie coming out. I'm not looking forward to it. No. No. It's not gonna be a good time. I also think that in 2004 when that movie came out we weren't nearly as crazy as a society as we are now. Right. Right. That could that could really do some public damage. Oh yeah. No that would not be good. People might

kill each other over that movie. I really hope not. Yeah. I hope I hope not too. But that first movie I remember church is busing in groups of people to go see the movie. They're like hey this is cool. I mean we got to get kids to see this. We need children seeing this. Yeah. Yeah. Now it's going to be like we need children killing the people who hate this movie. As I recall I was in college at the time and my dad who's a religious studies professor had written a sort of a letter to the editor to the local paper about the passion of the Christ not being great. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And I remember walking on campus one day and the preacher brother Jed who was like this campus preacher. Hore. Yeah. Yeah. You know the good guy. Yeah. He I remember walking by and

hearing him yelling about my dad. That's hilarious. Yeah. Because that's really funny. He took issue with this letter to the editor. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I was like whoa. I think it's worth while getting angry over a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Especially especially a movie that by your own book should be considered insanely blasphemous. I didn't. I didn't have enough awareness of of like what campus preachers were kind of like at that point. And so I waited until he stopped yelling. And I went over and was like hey you know that's my dad. You know please just stop yelling bullshit about my dad and my family. Yeah. And then I look with there's a little bit of a beat and then he called me a seed of Satan and started screaming back from me away.

I just started laughing. I walked away. I was like I love it. This is point. That's good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex gets another call here. A lot of calls on this episode. Sure. The first hour is just like hey supporting the troops means something different than they say. Right. And then it's a lot of calls. And this one guy he is calling in to tell Alex that he has had. He's been pulled over a couple times and this last time the police wanted to search his car. Right. And he said yeah sure go ahead. Oh that was a wrong move. Alex says that too. Yeah. But also it turns out that they didn't end up searching his car. Oh OK. Well then this story is over. There's no point in telling it. It's a very boring story. No no no. Oh what. This is part

of a conspiracy. OK. It's been in the news in New York or stopping people randomly giving them tickets for everything. It's about squeezing us sir. And they've got a lot of new mandates they've been given federally so they're increasing their activities to fund them. Right. But the fact that they did search your car three times when they pulled you over the third time. Did you point out this is the third time. Why are you doing this. I did and they said they said that it was coincidental yeah sure. But you say that you work in a software company that does work for the government. Yeah it's it's all contract work. And you did a bunch of for your request freedom of information act request. Correct. Probably a call came down just to harass you but that's I mean I would

let that stop you. Oh great OK. This is good thinking. What a fucking how do you get to be that psychopathically confident. You know just like oh you know what. That sounds to me like they are doing the regular old thing they do. Somebody gave the call down to harass you obviously. Yeah. Sure. By not searching your car when they ask can you give them consent to. Yeah weird. Yeah. Yep. This is so stupid. Wow. Say you're white without saying you're white. I gave them consent to search my car and they didn't. I do. I do think that there's something really toxic about this interact this kind of interaction with this listener who obviously views Alex as a credible sort of person a source of information like to tell this story and then Alex's response

will be like oh yeah obviously a call came down and they're probably just trying to harass you for the foyer request that you're making. I just think it's unhealthy. Yeah. It leads people down a bad path. Yeah. Yeah. That's it is like you're you're calling in for you know you could get two things when you call in you know you can get one or the other thing you can get confirmation or you can get comfort and there you know Alex is always for confirmation you know just that like hey I think there I think the government's out to get me and kill me and my entire family and Alex could just be like you know what I am the conspiracy guy and guess what I can tell you this one time you're totally fine. You're safe. Yeah. Totally safe. This is

amazing. You're the safest person in the history of the world. The government has no idea who you are or you can be like guess what you're totally right. You're going to be murdered at any time going to the forest by my food and the evidence of this is something that could easily be a coincidence. Totally. Absolutely. Oh boy. So one of the things that's a hallmark of this period of time for Alex on his show is that he is obsessed with the idea that neoconservatism has its roots in Strauss. Straussian thought. Okay. Right. Sure. He talks about this article that the headline is neoconservatives dance of Straussian waltz. Right. Like he talks about this all the fucking time. Right. And so this caller calls in. He wants to talk about Irving Kristol. Right. Bill Kristol's

dad. Okay. One of the leading thinkers in the neoconservatism. Right. World. Right. And listen carefully to this clip because I think that this clip clearly reveals two people who don't know anything about what they're talking about but don't want to let the other one know. They do really. Okay. Here we go. The founding. Well one of the the most prolific neoconservative writers was Irving Kristol. Yeah. The father of yeah. Yeah. Right. And when you alluded to Strauss you were not alluding to Leo Strauss. Correct. No. Okay. Do you know anything about Leo Strauss. He's dead now. I am familiar but not enough to really make any comments. All right. Well I'll tell you this. If you want a really fun intellectual exercise for the weekend

do what you can to find information on the Straussian school of political theory because this stuff that you're talking about is that University of Chicago. Strauss Strauss is not with the University of Chicago. He's not with the the Chicago School of Economics or anything like that. Listen I gotta go. I gotta let you go man. Okay. A bunch of callers here. Thanks for the call. That is a damning conversation. Wow. So Irving Kristol, father of Bill Kristol, is one of the big figures in neoconservatism. He's also someone who had Straussian leanings earlier in his life. When people talk about Strauss they are 100 percent across the board talking about Leo Strauss. So Alex saying he's not is ridiculous. Yeah. That is a clear indication that he knows

the word Straussian but he doesn't know what he's talking about. I assume Alex thinks that neocons play the violin really well. I'm guessing that's it. Yeah. Also Strauss did teach at the University of Chicago and he's very much associated with that school. So this caller is off base and what he's even talking about. The confusion I think is based on the fact that there's also an economic philosophy called the Chicago School of Economics based on the work of people like Milton Friedman. This is a term that is used mostly to describe economics professors at the University of Chicago which isn't necessarily related to the scholarship of Leo Strauss who taught political science at the same university. Because this caller and Alex don't really know what they're talking about it's

impossible for them to disambiguate these terms so they're basically just talking at each other and it's really it's really strange that the really telling damning things are the caller saying you're talking you're not talking about Leo Strauss and Alex says no he is yeah the fact that he doesn't know that right is a problem that's a huge problem and then when the caller says do you know anything about Leo Strauss not enough to comment right which means no no absolutely not because he comments on so much that he knows nothing about everything I comment on I know nothing about yeah so it really is a fascinating glimpse into how poorly he grasps the basis of this subject yeah his big conspiracy about the neo conservatives is that they're all secretly

democrats and liberals based on this Straussian ideology right that's behind it he doesn't even understand any of that no his basis for attacking neo conservatives is nothing he has a house built on sand yeah essentially when he's trying to to talk about this I'm always interested when Alex instinctively knows he's in weird territory for him you know like more than willing to talk shit for forever but if he gets something where he's like I know I'm supposed to know this and I know I don't so I'm gonna try and let you I'm gonna try and tease out what it is I'm supposed to know from you and then I compare it back to you so you think I know what I was talking about from the beginning or I can let you talk for a while I'll find something inaccurate that you say

right I'll latch onto that invalidate your point change the conversation move on yeah yeah I think that there is also a dynamic that's at play here that is unique to whenever he's on the phone with somebody I think that he has a pretty good radar in terms of like if someone's going to be a problem yeah like if they have information that could be a problem yeah yeah yeah and that is what you see there right that's why they call ends abruptly right that's why I was like oh if this caller talks more it'll reveal the depth to which I don't know any of exactly and yeah that's just it's good it's good instinct on his part it is yeah no it covers up his ignorance quite quite well oh man Alex just being like I I know some things but not enough to talk about it could not be more of a tell

it could not mean anything more than I have no fucking clue yep so that article that Alex was talking about from the Washington Post about banning the Bible apparently that was really just an article about Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ being dicey sure but they're gonna ban the Bible next well you don't like that movie you have to ban the Bible right and Alex's defense of that is an article that he read in the BBC from a year before okay and I remember the BBC article British broadcasting last year Mr. Beggles an old testament could be bad was the headline Mr. Beggles is a war war one comic book character who shoots down German aces and says I don't like Germans and they're discussing banning that xenophobic and they say the Old Testament

has comments by Jews about destroying other tribes under orders from God and they say that's hateful now there's a discussion of banning the New Testament so there was a anti-racism framework that was being discussed by the EU in 2002 and there's one guy named Lord Scott opined that the framework would outlaw the Old Testament as well as the very what I'm gonna call of its time series of adventure novels that's a good way of putting it Beggles yeah a lot of a lot of somebody says there's something wrong with Tintin I have no idea what they're talking about yeah yeah it's fun to just say that he didn't like Germans fan of the kraut stand yeah that's the problem yeah yeah also you might note that it's 2021 and all this stuff is still very much legal

yeah this stuff happened I mean it would be it would be interesting if somebody was like hey all right we don't want any books in schools or you know that that promote genocide and then you're like okay well you know Canaan and they're like well I mean the Bible's fine of course come on man what are you talking about grandfathered in yeah yeah it's all good so you you may notice that like the ADL is complaining about Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ and you know all this is going to lead to obviously the outlawing of Christianity sure and so therefore the ADL is coming after that is a very sharp slippery slope this is it you know you think it's you think it's the ADL just going after the Klan and people know going after the Bible which was written by the way

by Jews okay most of it got them so I don't know that that's just this is the craziness you heard from the EU government they're going to ban TV shows plays movies where women or men are shown in stereotypical roles that's women in dresses anything like that it's a hate crime now not just in the workplace but on the streets so it's total control by the politically correct and bunches signed onto the group pushing all this known as UNESCO wow so yeah apparently women can't wear dresses in TV shows and plays and and and stuff now it's a hate crime man this is this is real stuff this is why they're so good at obstructing progress because they don't even give a fuck if it's actually progress if it's even like a fake imaginary thing that someone

might do the cacophony of howling screams of whining is so loud yeah that you can't even be like no I mean who gives a shit about the well it's like you know a lot of the petty grievances and nonsense that alex brings up it does remind me of the phantom toll booth remember that book yeah the terrible trivium the guy who made Milo move a pile of sand one grain at a time yep that's basically what alex is he does a lot of the time yeah each grain of sand that you have to move over as a distraction that's not really based in any reality right but somehow you're expected to clear it up right and it's just to slow you down so you can't free rhyme and reason oh if you want if you want gun control you're gonna have to start with proving to me that guns even

exist uh-huh yeah and that means that steve pechenek is the spelling key all right info where's the tip phantom toll booth go okay uh Joel scowze in sure is the horrible din okay okay who is the conductor uh who would like make this the sunrise come up do you remember his name I'm the moment you ask me for a name is the moment the name has gone forever uh-huh you know like if if I had if I could have didn't like oh you know like the conductor five seconds ago then you asked me the name and I'll I'll never remember alex is Milo um Roger stone is talk the dog who's accompanying alex sure sure maybe steve pechenek is talk because he's been on invoars for so much longer longer in the path I'd say the trump years were true oh no the current

day of the the covid stuff is the doldrums no you are in the doldrums yes yeah yeah they're doing they're having a fantastic time I think alex is bored by it to that's probably true um who was the conductor this is gonna bother me yeah um what other characters weren't there there's the spelling bee I'm regretting this strongly um I feel like I was the officer I short circuited you who was the cop who cares we got to go all right anyway there's no more clips oh yeah we've come to the end of this oh no wonder you were so willing to go on the phantom toll booth rift for I'd also like to talk about the phantom toll booth yeah well that sounds about right the the rest of the episode is just alex doing his news blitz at the end of the show which

is just him reading the same headlines he's already talked about sure sure sure the recap yeah it's it's quite boring um so yeah I think I think that also let's not uh just leave on said that uh that's bit anti-semitic the idea that the ADL is going after yeah yeah how could they how could the ADL go after a book that was written by the ADL I mean not all Jews are exactly the same but that's what I'm saying yeah and it's it's the it's the it's the conception of this like they're pretending that they're a advocacy organization uh anti defamation uh league but what they're really about is crushing christianity yeah and that that has some some narrative roots yeah in archaic tropes of anti-semitism you got it so I mean we get to the end of this and you know there's not there's not

like a ton of stuff that happens there's some interesting things so certainly trends that are important to point out things like the way alex covers that houston crime lab story is a disservice to the reality of the story right um and and you know it's important to understand the ways that alex is actually actively doing the opposite of helping yeah in cases like that yeah and in in terms of the news yeah he gives people a worse idea of what's going on than if they knew nothing right um and that sucks leaving them in a more manipulatable position yes yeah but more importantly perhaps uh harry potter is still going on true it's still not true still mad about harry and we found the new thing to be tracing in 2003 which is the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run

yeah which I will I promise you I'll come up with a pun with eventually I would really like specifics like if harry potter is leading you to become a witch what in harry potter is real and what's not like our giants real our centaurs real like well what are we talking about we do know that alex does believe the giants are real because that's quail has told him about it that is true giants yeah he's written a couple books yeah uh the giants are good yeah yeah okay uh what else um I mean dobby pixies or pixies real sure house elves house elves okay yeah um well boy now we're getting into all the anti-semitic ones so jordan yes we'll be back but until then we have a website we do it's knowledgefight.com yes we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's add knowledge underscore

fight net go to bed jordan yep we'll be back on monday with a little bit of a look at the old tucker nonsense but uh until then uh neo i'm leo dzx clark i'm daryl rundus you're a trader dan andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you