Knowledge Fight - #663: July 24, 2003

Episode Date: March 28, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan banish present day Alex from the show and jump to the past. In this installment, Alex explains "twists and subtwists," reveals the roots of the New Age movement, and gives strong evidence he's a sovereign citizen. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding me. Hello Alex, I'm Mr. Tim Collin, I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Everybody. Welcome back knowledge. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're going to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan Jordan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot? My bright spot today, Jordan. This is dangerous. Yeah. What's dangerous? Well, it's mustard is my bright

spot. What about it? Well, here's what's dangerous. Okay. I'm thinking about doing a year of mustard. That is dangerous. I have for the last couple weeks, but getting just really invigorated with enjoying mustards. Okay. I might have gotten a couple different varieties of mustard that are like one of them is too mustardy. I love it. You love it. Yes. You love the extra mustard, but it's so much mustard, but it's delicious. And I'm thinking about really trying to incorporate this into my personal brand. Yeah. So just kind of like a mustard guy. I think that is a kind of guy. I mean, I think Twitter it will eventually say new kind of guy just dropped mustard guy. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like there's a

lot to explore in terms of the world of mustard. Sure. And I think I could get 69 mustards down, but I've also learned my lesson from the seltzers and I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. But look, I'm going to put the world on notice. I'm going to a lot of mustard. All right. You're going to get a lot of mustard. Yes. It doesn't have to be a contest. You can just love mustard, but that's what my brain works. It is kind of how your brain works. It needs to turn things into some sort. Yes. Um, but yeah, a lot of mustard's coming. I like it. Yep. How about you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot is, uh, uh, we, uh, played scatter gories. It's true. Uh, we got together secondary

bright spot based on your bright spot. The moment when, uh, Sarah, uh, friend Sarah Shockey opened up the taboo box. Yes. And it was completely a whole night. No, you have lost the pieces of your taboo game. It's in a baggy somewhere, but I'm sorry. Uh, no, we, uh, we got together with, uh, uh, close friends of the show, sister podcast, Marty and Sarah, uh, and, uh, played scatter gories. And it was, I have not played scatter gories in a long time. Yeah. And it is a very fun game to play. It is. And it was also the first time that I played it way too high to play a word game. It's true. And it made, like I am, I was not high because no, I don't usually partake that much in the weed, except for as a, like I found some,

uh, uh, it helps with sleep a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. I have, I have enjoyed some gummies, uh, for, for sleep purposes. Um, but speaking as the non-stoned person in the room, I did, but also a little frustrating to try and argue whether or not words count with three stoned people. That is, that is an experience that, um, it's rare. It is rare in my life. It is. And it will stay in the future. It will never happen again. No, subject myself to it a bunch probably cause you guys like the grass. Oh no. I say, we like the gories. We like the gories, buddy. Oh, you guys like that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, I fuck. I can't even come up with another dorky way on the grass. The rebel dangerous night. Um, yeah. Yeah. It

was a fun time to play some games. It was a good bright spot. Also code names played a little code names. That's a fun game. It is a delight. Um, so Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Uh, we're going to go back to the past cause I'm putting, uh, Alex way back in time out. Excellent. So after our last episode, I felt really shitty because I had given Alex too much of a benefit of a doubt, uh, about his medical condition that he was right using to get out of his deposition. Yes. On Friday, he got back on his show and announced that I just had like a little sinus thing. Great. Right. Good work. So thanks buddy. I don't know what to believe whether the, that's saving face about an actual medical condition

that he has because he doesn't want, uh, the people to look at him as weak, right? Or if it's a situation where the Connecticut case, the lawyers had already left and now he knew he wasn't going to have this deposition. He had to do it. So now the facade can drop. Right. Uh, and what have you, but whatever the case, I felt a little bit like a mark and that I had, uh, that I cared more than I should have. It is not the first time that this has occurred. No. Um, and it's kind of one of the downsides of, you know, uh, trying to engage with, uh, the work of a liar is sometimes you can never be sure. Yeah. And I resent it and I'm not happy about it. So what I'm going to do, Alex isn't going to be back in the present on our show

until episode six, six, six. I'm banishing him. Eat it, Alex. I'm banishing him from our show in the present until the devil returns. Indeed. Uh, I think that's fitting. That is fitting. Absolutely. So Alex in 2022 will return the return of Satan on six, six, six, but until then we are going to be doing other things. We're going to have other types of episodes. I have some fun stuff, uh, in mind. Ah, yeah. And today we're going to be back in the past, where it'll be doing an episode about July 24th, 2003. Uh, there's some nonsense and then a massive revelation. Okay. We're going to talk a little bit about nine 11 and then shocking nonsense. All right. Uh, but before we do that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new

walks. Oh, it's a great idea. So first DD mega doodoo. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Okay. What was that? Sorry. I spaced out. No, you spoke in Cali. We know I was not. I spaced out. Sorry. My 401k is making that money off that heroin. Thank you so much. You're an out policy. Walk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Joey Votto's biggest fan. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy one. Thank you. Very much. Next. Affirm my wonk them before the global nuclear holocaust. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. We made it. Thank you. Maybe we'll see tomorrow. Yeah. It's late. Next. Daddy shark. Ba ba ba ba ba ba. Thank you so much. You're

now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. My name is Captain Poo King of Gravy. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. My liege. Thank you very much. Also, we got a technocrat in the mix. Oh, I had to say before I say this name, I do not approve of this at all. All right. But thank you so much. Knowledge fight stays on during sex. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little break you down. A little break for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day,

fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on here. I'll be better tomorrow. He's not and nor was he in the past. Ah, shit. Yeah. But you know what is better than Alex listening to our show while having sex? No, that's stuck in my brain for the rest of my life. It scares me. Yeah. Yeah. Terrifying. Yep. No, but something that is great is we have a special birthday, a happy birthday to

send out to a very special policy wonk out there. Okay. Okay. So Huxley, your mother Stephanie reached out and wanted us to wish you a happy birthday. And look, I don't I don't know how else we could make this like a really special birthday. So I heard you're a big fan of John Oliver. Sure. And so we actually got him to come in and wish you a happy birthday along with us. No way. Yeah. Holy cow. I can't do a John Oliver. Damn it. Jordan. You did a kiss and you're impressed. You can't do that one either. I can't do a John Oliver. I can't do a kiss and you're I'm a failure. But you tried to do a kiss and yeah, but that was that wasn't whenever I was like happy. It was an important moment for Huxley. And I didn't want to ruin it with a

Roy. I wish this was a video. Jordan, you did the weirdest fucking movement trying to get into characters. Try it. I was trying to do something to get into it. I got nothing. All right. I'm sorry. Well, anyway, happy birthday, Huxley. Happy birthday. I tried to force Jordan to do an impression and that that's a gift for all of us. Really close. So we're back in 2003. And here's not a context drop from today's show. My relative has MS. He was 108 pounds. He's an al-Qaeda member. Wow. Wow. Wow. Rude. Did not see that coming. Yeah. So here is where the episode starts off. We have our first narrative. And I think one of the things that you're really going to notice about this is that Alex is really into talking about

9 11 this episode. The big news poll shows many Germans see US behind September 11. And I've seen similar major polls out of France where about 60% of the public believes the US government carried out 911. That's 80 plus million people in that country. And 60 plus percent believe the government did it. Well, no, the government did it. It's an absolute fact. 68% of Germans believe that they're being lied to by the press a full 30% or people below 30, a large percent of those below 30 believe the government did it as well. 19% of those below 30. What statistic is being reported here? There was a poll of people in Germany. But what was the statistic? Like you've listened to him describe it. What was it? People who believe that the United States did 9 11. 68%

is something. 30% is something maybe 18, 19%. I don't know. I've listened to it a bunch of times. And I don't think if you listen to it once, you'd be able to tell what he's talking about. Well, you know the general topic, right? He's saying that 70% of Germans believe that the United States did 9 11. Am I correct in that? No, you're not because 68% is apparently the amount that think that the media isn't telling them the truth. Oh, okay. All right. But it's unclear from listening to it. What is which percent, right? And he says 30%. But that's actually people under 30. Yes. So it's actually 19% of people under 30. Right. The United States did 9 11. Oh boy. Yeah. How many people in France? We'll get to that in a minute. Okay. So like if you listen to enough of Alex's

show, you'll notice that oftentimes concrete stories are reported in ways that leave you completely unaware of what's actually being reported. And I think that's intentional. But leaving that aside, that clip includes a really interesting little tidbit that I think deserves attention. In 2003, Alex is perfectly comfortable saying definitively that it's proven fact that the government did 9 11. In the present day, when he's asked about it, Alex hedges his position and tries to pretend that he just had some questions about the official story. I was just asking questions in the past. He'll say that he knows the name of the perpetrators, like everybody in the organization, but you flash forward to today and he would never make that type of claim

or like put himself in a position where he's like, I will name names. I've talked about this a little bit in the past, the idea of wet concrete, how the immediate aftermath of an event is essentially wet concrete where you can make an impression in it very easily. But if you wait for the concrete to dry, it's really hard to get your narrative to make a dent. You can't write your name in the sidewalk. This is a very large part of why people like Alex really try to spam their theories hard and fast. But there's a side aspect of this dynamic where in order to make your immediate theories seem more convincing to people in those early times, you have to be completely emphatic in your certainty. People are looking for answers and you seem like a bad source of

answers if you present your theories as possibilities that you can't prove. You have to push them as if you have a rock solid case or else you run into the risk of your audience searching for someone else to give them the impression of that certainty that they need in order to comfort them. Right. As time goes on, this position needs to soften because as always the case of these kinds of conspiracy theories, eventually the foundation of your narratives just fall apart and it becomes too obvious that there was no basis for your certainty in the first place. Like it's no good to be certain 10 years after the fact that everything looks stupid. Right. But the way that this works is like it's just different tones of voice of trust me depending on where you are in

the relationship. At the beginning, it's trust me. You've got to trust me. I'm so right. And then 10 years later, it's like, yeah, but you can trust me. I know, but you can trust me. You know, that kind of thing. Sure. There's an unspoken agreement between the conspiracy theorist and their audience where the theorist satisfies the emotional need for certainty that the audience is looking for and the audience conveniently forgets later that the things that the theorist was certain about were bullshit. Without this status quo, a show like Alex's could not exist. If Alex didn't provide that certainty, his audience would find him weak. If his audience held him to his past positions in demand and he explained how this certainty about things waned, Alex wouldn't be able to do the

show that he does. And thus he'd be unable to provide the audience with that comfort and certainty that they need next time. Right. And thus, definitive positions will be taken that are quietly disowned later and the audience will get ready to unquestioningly believe the next definitive position Alex throws out and the cycle goes on and on. Just think like in the COVID times, how many narratives Alex has announced has definitively proven that he's just kind of forgotten about after it became too clear that it's embarrassing nonsense. Now, like he was having David Icon to talk about how viruses themselves don't exist for a while. And it's like if you can't let the virus in, if you choose that the energy needs to stay outside of you,

everybody knows this. That was more of a carry thing. But yeah, it's this dynamic I think is really going to be something that you see pretty, pretty clearly in this episode. I think just like the definitiveness of stuff. Yeah. That's like, you don't believe that. Right. I mean, that is, that is really great. As far as like showing you what it is that that infowars really sells, you know, they sell the feeling of, Oh, somebody knows what's going on. Right. They sell that feeling. The feeling of order. Right. Essentially. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. There's some comfort you can take despite the world being horrible, which you already knew it was. There's some comfort in knowing that this man has a grasp on it. You know, not only that he has a grasp on it, but like because

of that grasp that he has, what he is describing is a world that is run by right sort of like A to B to C to D predictable events and everything. There's no chaos or randomness. Right. There's no like people who have different interests that sometimes align and sometimes don't, you know, like there's none of that, that, that, that chaos, the world that works in a, in a comforting way. Right. Right. If there is a giant conspiracy that runs everything. Right. Cause it's simple, inexplicably, the more, the more, the more complicated and complex the conspiracy is, the more simple it makes people feel like life is because look, you can just do it. Right. Yeah. And I think that's the large part of the certainty and the comfort that Alex sells.

Totally. But the price is looking like an idiot. The world. Eventually for, well, that too. But we didn't know that in 2000. Right. So you were asking about France. Yes. This has got to be upsetting the globalist to, to have more and more people aware of who carried out those attacks. And by the way, the numbers are much higher than what you see in these polls. I mean, over in France, they write books about 911 and government involvement itself, you know, 30 million copies. There's only 80 something million people in the country. At this point, France's population was closer to 61 million people,

which seems like me being a little nitpicky, but like Alex is like 20 million people off. Yeah. That's 33% off. That's not rounding up. No. So this book he's talking about is called Le Frayable Imposture or The Horrifying Fraud. Oh, no. Which is released in English under the title 911, The Big Lie. Since its release, the book has been roundly and comically debunked. And its author, Théry Messon, is not taken seriously by anybody who recognizes his name. A May 2002 article in Time Europe claims that the book had spent six weeks at the top of the

French bestseller list, which is no small feat. That's fairly impressive for a book. And I think that's the basis for Alex's outrageous claim that it sold 30 million copies. That number is fucking insane. And a June 2002 article, which is after it would have spent six weeks on the top of the charts, this article from June 2002 and CNN puts the sales figure at 200,000. See, it was either that or I believe I remember this book being right there released next to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. I think like the same level of 30 million people, like 30 million books sold in France. Like you got to consider like how many people are under the age of 18. That suggests that they've exchanged. They've turned that book into their national

currency. I would be surprised if it's sold 30 million globally. I would be surprised if it's sold. Yeah. Yeah. Alex could say the real number and it would be impressive if you know anything about like book sales or the French book market, but he's aware that his audience isn't going to be dazzled unless the number just jumps off the page. In addition to that, it's really important for Alex to make the image appear to be that people who believe the things info wars reports are the majority in the world. They are legion. Yeah. Just because you don't see any of them on your daily basis doesn't mean that they're not everywhere. Right. But that's why it's harder to make that perception stick when you're talking about the United States, but if it's

somewhere exotic like totally like. Yes. Yeah. It's easier to convince your audience that like basically France is a hotbed of nine eleven truth. Look at Luxembourg is in France Luxembourg France Luxembourg France indeed. They love that. Oh my god. They're full of patriots. Unbelievable. Yeah. So Alex like or we got French book numbers. We got a German poll that Alex is reporting weirdly. Wow. There's an incontrovertible proof there. But fuck that noise. You don't need any of that stuff. I don't need any of that. Alex has done his own polling. Oh shit. Well, let me tell you, I've done my own little whole nationwide on over a thousand AM and FM stations that I've been that I've been interviewed on. What as a guess, some of them syndicated some

of them little mom and pop AM some of them big 50,000 watt blow torches in in New York or Rhode Island or KLA and or KFI. I mean LA Denver. You name it. A lot of you have heard me on those shows and I'll be on the big ones for two hours. Primetime middle of the night in the morning and the afternoon doesn't matter. Open the phones. They'll take 30 calls. Everybody agrees with one person. They'll say I should be arrested and I should be killed. I mean, you've heard them on the air. You should be killed. You're a traitor. If I ever see you, I'll kill you. I get emails like that. You're working with Al Qaeda because I expose that our government is Al Qaeda and controls Al Qaeda is not our government and is carrying out the attacks. So that's not scientific.

I don't know what conclusions you can draw from the type of calls you get when you guest on radio shows. I mean, I like the idea of calling that doing a little poll. Right. I did a little poll over the past. I don't know how long for whatever length of time to know whatever number of people on several radio stations that may or may not exist. And I found that one out of 30 people in America want to kill me. What are we talking about? Dumb. Yep. Very dumb. Yep. What did you did? You researched what his actual poll results were. No, I didn't. I don't think that I could ever find these podunk radio show. These no name ass radio shows that he's been on. I don't think those things have made it. It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like you went to Pew. I'll tell

you that. No, no, no. So but look, I say it's not scientific, but Alex kind of I mean, he draws a lot of meaning from the calls that he gets on other people's radio shows. I mean, I just hope the globalists realize that they can lie all day and put their spin out all day and they can blow more stuff up and kill more people and we hope they don't and tell us how they're saving us and telling us we need to love them. They can put the gun to our head of terrorism and say capitulate to tyranny or it's over. But I'm here to tell you a lot of people are afraid to stand up and church and talk about it. And they're afraid to stand up in their classroom and talk about it. And they're afraid to talk about it in the grocery store. But when I'm on 1000 plus interviews, it's well

over 1000 now. Multiple interviews a day in the last 23 months since September 11. And I did hundreds of interviews before that, probably 500 600 and all the years before that and things have just accelerated since then. And think about that. You talk about a poll, they call a big poll 5000 people for 1000 and two people. All these different polling numbers we see. The difference between a good and bad poll is all down to methodology. The number of participants is definitely one of the factors, but it's much more important that the variables are controlled correctly and you end up with a representative sampling of the population, which is something that Alex's dumb radio interview poll doesn't capture at all. There's a selection bias. Who

asks Alex to be on their shows? What types of shows are these? What types of audience is probably listening to a show that would have Alex on it? What type of person would call in when Alex was on as a guest? Right. There's there's a lot of a lot of confounding variables. I would say they might be skewed results. You bet. Yeah. Interestingly, though, there's one conclusion you absolutely can draw from Alex's telling of this story. And that is that 9 11 was the best thing that ever happened to him from a career perspective. He went from not really that many people being interested in interviewing him to people banging down the doors to have him on. And that's because he claimed a level of confidence and assuredness in the position he was putting forward, which made

him interesting. He wasn't saying that he questioned the mainstream narrative of 9 11. He wasn't saying there were anomalies. He wasn't saying that he had doubts. Those positions would be boring. He was saying loudly and into a bullhorn that it was definitively proven that Bush and his administration did 9 11 and the planes were remote controlled. He had all the evidence dead to rights. They don't even debate it. That makes a person stand out. And when it's someone who has a clear inherit set of chops like Alex has, this can lead to a little bit of a media windfall. And that's exactly what happened. People were confused and trying to make sense of a national tragedy that's ended up affecting the entire world. And Alex is there bombastically

offering answers. There lies, but it hardly matters. Now the reason that I bring this up is because it's no longer profitable for Alex to be certain about 9 11. It was in 2002 and 2003. In fact, at that point, being uncertain probably would have been a detriment to Alex's brand. And this is exactly what you see with him in the present day. He's all but disowned pretty much all of the insane bullshit he was pushing back then. You're never going to hear him try to sell a loose change DVD on his show or talk about how the hijackers are still alive. That stuff he pretends wasn't a part of making his career because that would actually be shameful for him to admit. He never could prove any of that stuff. But because it got him more attention,

Alex represented himself as someone who could prove it all. He manipulated people in the aftermath of a huge tragedy for his own profit. And once it was no longer profitable to sell those lies, he moved on and pretended he never said that stuff to begin with. It began lying about another tragedy. Alex's career is rooted in tragedy profiteering. The most notable events in his career, the things that put him on a national stage, all of them were things where he was lying about something painful to someone else. Oklahoma City, 9 11, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing, the Aurora Batman shooting. All of these are events where Alex sold his completely made up story in the immediate term and then now doesn't want to be judged by what he sold. And I don't accept

that. And no one should. It's total bullshit. Yeah. Yep. Absolute fucking nightmare. Yeah. Not a good person. It is odd. It is so fucked up about the way that our media culture is just geared. It is geared towards making a man like Alex Jones a star. That is, I mean, as you were saying, making those claims immediately makes him interesting. People want to go talk to him. Think about like the Terry Mason, the guy who wrote that French book. Yeah. It's definitive. Definitive. It's 30 million. I know I can prove all of this stuff. And then you get six weeks at the top of the bestseller list. Right. It's kind of hacking that that attention. Absolutely. That we accidentally built. Right. Right. Because it's more interesting

than, you know, nuance or confusion or just a blanket acceptance of like, oh, yeah, this is a series of random occurrences. Turn on like NPR, all things considered. And they'll be like talking about a story with an expert like, yeah, it's possible. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Going to bed. We can see that being one way or we could see it being the other way. Oh God, I'm listening to this and then fucking Garrison. I'm going to turn on Alex. I know it's right. Okay. I'm listening. This is satisfying. I cannot stop. So look, there's a lot of people out there in the world who believe that 9 11 was a charade, especially in France and Germany. That's true. By the way, Germany's technology minister about 20 months ago put out a report. He didn't just make a statement.

And by the way, part of his report is in that George Humphrey audio book we offer on the shopping cart that you can get through to an info wars.net and the 911 Great Illusion. But I have stopped this already. His report is in the audio book. Yes. All right. I don't believe that you read the entire report in the audio book. The German technology minister and the guys got all these awards when he's got a head the size of a watermelon. He's got like 170 IQ. He came out and he said it is impossible. The story is a fraud. The military industrial complex launched these attacks. I have conducted a detailed analysis. Well, so have we and so have all these other engineers and hundreds of military officers and everybody else, including the Easter Bunny.

And it is it is it will be easier for me to fly to the moon. Okay. With by by gluing feathers on my back. Okay. I'm not listening. I'm serious. I'm listening. It'll be easier for fire ants to build a rocket in your backyard and go to Mars that for all these things to happen that happen when you add them all together. Okay. He's serious. He's not a joke. No, he's going to take feathers on his back. I'm going to put some fucking feathers on my back, man. That wasn't a report that the technology minister did. This is entirely based on an interview that Andreas von Bülow did with a German newspaper called Taspegel. It was published on January 13, 2002. Von Bülow had been out of his position as the technology minister in Germany since 1982. That's bad for a technology minister.

There's a lot of technology that happened between a huge amount. Yeah, that 18 years. There was like four more than 18 years, 21. He was definitely spouting 9 11 conspiracy theories, but he wasn't saying it from the position of certainty that Alex is claiming. Again, Alex's game relies on creating the fake impression of certainty. And in order for this story to really pop for him, he needs to project that certainty onto all of his sources, including von Bülow. It's not enough to let's just say that he gave an interview where he said that he found it unthinkable that the hijackers could have pulled off the attack without intelligence community help. This story needs to be that he proved it right and Alex is saying that it can't be an old man far out of government

going like, man, this is so crazy. It can't be true. Also, my head is giant. And I got a huge head. A major part of this, if you're Alex, is you need to cram certainty down your audience's throat. You want them to think of themselves as questioning and skeptical, but in reality, the most dangerous proposition for you is the idea that they might actually start questioning things like the things you're saying. And why are you so sure of this? It doesn't sound as. Yeah. You want the artificial air of questioning, not so much the reality. You want to give people the impression that they are smarter for not asking you questions. And repeating the questions that are dead ends that you say all the time. Exactly. Pat yourself on the back for that.

You got it. So just to be clear, I think Alex now would love for everyone to believe that all he did was say like, I had questions and you know, I think the government let 9 11 happen. That's what he wants people to hear. Now that's not at all what he was saying. Oh, that's not good. Again, they can imprison people. They can kill people. They can try to intimidate folks. Everyone is going to know that the government carried out September 11. It isn't like Pearl Harbor where they let it happen and attack Japanese submarines that morning in the harbor and tried to cover it up. Okay. So they did it. It was an active thing. All right. So now. So now Pearl Harbor was not a false flag. No, it was. It was, but it was allowed. It was a real event right that could have been stopped.

Yes, but was allowed to happen because might as well have been a false flag. Right. Right. Whereas with 9 11 that was they did that shit. George W got in that fucking plane. I would say remote controlled. It's remote controls is probably more like Janie. Right. Alex is pretty focused on Janie because he wrote that document that he didn't write. So yeah, I think that this would be a tough thing for Alex to stand behind in the present day. Well, in the year since it has not come out and we are not all convinced that the United States government did it. A shocking number of things that were in the documentary that he produced, loose change. It's come out that they are not true. That has come out. A shocking number. I mean, the only thing that was true was the

directed by Jason Bermas. Yeah, exactly. He did. So you can't kill the truth, though. And Alex has a list of some folks who may be trying. We're trying to kill the truth. Of course, there's one person who's conspicuous in their absence, the devil. Oh, no, let him keep lying. Let him keep licking their lips and reading off the teleprompters and all their neocons, scams and lying liberal neural order scams. Let them to, and you know what, they're going to do even more horrible things to make us love them, to pose as our saviors. But the Janie's out of the bottle, Pandora's box is open and the truth, you can't kill it. It isn't going to go away. You just watch no matter how horrible the stuff is you pull, boys, no matter how bad it gets,

more people are going to blame you because you are the enemy combatants, you are the terrorist, you are the usurpers, you are the overthrowers of the republic, you are the traitors and the seditious enemy agents of the private corporation, the crime syndicate known as the new world order. It's interesting, like as I was listening to that, I was thinking that it, you know, that it may be true that you can't kill the truth, but apparently what will do the trick in terms of killing something being presented as truth is for Alex to decide it's not profitable to pretend it's the truth anymore. These globalists don't need to do anything nefarious to get Alex to stop covering something. They just have to wait until his audience gets bored of it and he moves on to

another subject. They just need to wait until the theories he's presented as definitively proven are so embarrassingly debunked that he needs to pretend he never believed that stuff to begin with. That's the trick. Yeah, just wait him out. He'll get bored. Or his audience will just demand something new and exciting and they're not excited by that thing anymore. So that rant about the enemy was nice at the end though. Like it's weird that these folks don't seem to be working for the devil. Not anymore. Just a good old fashioned banking cartel with human motivations and human plans. Yeah, good days. It's almost like you wouldn't have to really be that crazy to buy into this stuff back then. Right. Right. Right. Kind of like he's really getting me on the hook.

Yeah. Yeah. A banking cartel causing problems. Very real. Not even not not only not surprising, almost certainly happening constantly. Yeah, totally. Now recognizing that secretly he believes that it's a battle between angels and demons and supernatural forces. JP Morgan Chase does not sound true to me. Yeah. But who knows? Fanny Mae, Freddie Mac, all the devil. All evil. So a lot of this show is calls. Alex has no guests on this. This call was fun. This guy wants to know what what's going on. You got inside sources. Sure. Tell me what's going on. Yeah. Help us out. Yeah, that's reasonable. That's a reasonable question. Alex is not a good answer. Oh, yeah, I'll tell you. Pretty good, my friend. All right. Let me ask you. Do you have any impression or maybe some of

I can't do John Oliver, whoever. Maybe some of these high level, maybe mid level minions are getting cold feet. Well, they are. I mean, I don't have specifics because I can't give you specifics in the places that I have specifics. But what they've been all over the news blowing the whistles. I mean, but I what I'm saying is I can't give you the people I know personally deep inside government because they're sources. But I can tell you about Robert Wright at the National Press Club on C-Span. Oh, cool. I can tell you about the C-Span guy. I can tell you about something I saw on C-Span. I can't tell you anything inside that I totally it's totally real that I have all these sources. I know all of it. But I can tell you about book talk that I saw. I know your

question was our minions getting cold feet, which we're talking with the yellow guys. Considering despicable me has not come out yet. It's got to be different stepped on your menu. Anyways, no, you're doing great. Kevin was one of the minions. I have no idea. Gru is a character. Gru is a character. Which character? I don't know. I haven't seen those movies. What'll happen? So look, I don't even want to talk to sources really. Why would you? It's dangerous. They're exhausting. Right. And plus everything is so obvious. 9-11 obvious. It's open source. But frankly, it's been duplicated so many times. I don't even want to talk to them anymore. It's dangerous for me. It's dangerous for them. We know who did it. The evidence, the primal facial evidence, it's like

going to a crime scene that's an orgy of evidence, as they say. And you've got the killer there at the dinner table, eating the body of the person they killed. I mean, it's sure. And they've shot 500 hours of video of it. It's ridiculous. It's an orgy of evidence, which I actually have pierced the veil on psychological warfare parameters. What? I believe it's actually a judo move by high level Illuminati. What? This is meant to come out. And at a certain level, we're empowering the Illuminati on this broadcast. What? We're conscious of this. Do you know how we're empowering? Do you know how we're empowering the Illuminati? No. Joe? Okay, let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati. Okay, let me tell you how we're empowering the Illuminati. I don't know what's

going on anymore. Where is this going? I've pierced the psychological veil behind this orgy evidence that is going to fuck up all the people who are. Oh boy. What was the plan again? Also, 500 hours of footage of someone eating somebody. Like that's too long. That's too long. I don't know if it would take that long to eat somebody or if the meat would stay fresh. Probably be bad. Yeah. Look, what's cook time? Also, I love this. Like, I don't even want to meet with them. And they're like, now in the present, like, I mean, we call this all the time. I know. I don't even. Listen, I don't even want to be with somebody. I have so many great meetings where we have caviar and they tell me I'm great. It's dangerous. I have conversations at the adult table,

not like you little babies who think dumb things. No, no, I know psychological warfare things about how we're empowering the Illuminati. Sell me on this. All right, I'll try. I mean, look, there's two aspects of it. Okay, here's sort of the first one. All right. Number one, we are engaging in revelation of the method and mass desensitization to a overall horror, but the subconscious is already aware of. So we are being allowed to do this to introduce it so that there is not a mass insanity that then causes a break into open rebellion. Now that's on one level. But again, good love getting their system and there is a sub twist in the twist and it's blown up in their face. Now this is very dangerous. Okay. The sub twist in the twist.

There's a sub twist in the twist. Uh-huh. It's like a kick flip McTwist. What? Unbreakable came out in 2000s. Right, right? Something like that. Right, right. Okay. So do you understand what he's talking about at all? Can you, can you translate that? I believe that what he's saying is that by telling people what the Illuminati is doing and people not really being able to do anything to stop it, we are desensitizing them to the need to do, do stop it. No. Okay. I mean, that's an interesting thought, but no, that's what he's saying. All right. He's saying that intuitively on a subconscious level, everybody out in the world already knows in their bones and in their spirit what the Illuminati is doing. Right. See, but that's

not true. Fine. Okay. I'm just telling you what Alex is saying. Okay. So everyone understands that and what Alex is doing is revealing the method. So he's putting to conscious mind what unconscious mind already knows. Sure. Right. So he's telling everybody all this stuff, which is actually a favor to the globalists because then once the, uh, the, the, the, the prestige happens, sure. The subtwist and it's, no, that's the twist. No, the twist is Alex's. Sure. Sure. Okay. So once the prestige happens and there's the revelation of like what the globalists are up to right, the Illuminati is up to, then there won't be open rebellion and like a, uh, like a civil war breaking out or whatever, because Alex has already revealed this to people. So it won't

be such a cataclysmic. Right. It's basically telling people you're preparing them for their ultimate takeover. Well, it's basically like the idea that QAnon folks had of like we're, people are going to look at us like we're crazy and then once the prestige happens basically, they'll realize that we, we knew all along and we were right. It's that same kind of idea, but it's serving the globalist interests because then there won't be a big, uh, kaboom when the reveal happens. Because people won't be surprised. Right. They'll have already known what was going on. Right. Right. Right. So that's part of the globalist plan apparently, but the sub twist within the twist, Alex's, I think referencing like he has baked into his

content somehow a way that even this isn't in the globalist's best interests or something. Okay. All right. Okay. But there's a second, what's important is that he has outsmarted the globalists somehow. I can tell you how they're not real. Well, that's an easy way to outsmart something. Their plans are stupid. Well, he's the one who's making up the plan. Exactly. Yeah. If you create an enemy for yourself that's stupid, you can outsmart them every single time. Every time. So here's the, never lost a game to myself and chess, not once. Here's the second, uh, way that, uh, he fears he's helping the Illuminati. Now at another level, what happens is the New World Order wants to discredit America. The New World Order wants to demonize America.

And for some of the unsophisticated minds in the world and the liberals and some of the Europeans who are more sophisticated, but are still not sophisticated enough, they hear and think that America, the red, white and blue carried out 9-1-1, thus America's bad. UN is good. Then the UN comes out against the war against the imperial moves against the lies and makes the UN look good. So in a judo move, they take the energy and allow 9-1-1 evidence to come out. They allow it to sit there simmering, destroying America's, uh, uh, outlook and, and, and, uh, the, the view people have of America worldwide while empowering the more centralized arms of the New World Order. Is that clear? Yes, indeed. Don't you dare say yes, indeed. How fucking dare you say yes, indeed? I mean,

the, it's clearer than the first one. Right. There's no twist in the subtwist. No, there's no subtwist, which is nice. So translate this one for me. Um, so you can't, you can say no. Right. Right. Right. If I understand correctly, the UN is a loud, well, let's call it the Illuminati. That's, that would be better. Right. The Illuminati, the, the, the, the UN is a sub branch director, director of the, yes. Yeah. They're the subtwist of the, yeah. Okay. So the Illuminati, I want cinnamon twist has revealed. They've delicious. No, they're not. They suck has revealed that the United States did 9 11. Right. In order for the world to hate America, including America, the concept, right? And then Americans themselves will say, we don't want America anymore. We want

to join the UN that we are already a part of. Right. Yeah. More or less. Yeah. More or less. But I think the subtle difference, the distinction is the globalists and the Illuminati don't, they, they're not putting out that America did 9 11. Right. They're allowing people like Alex to get that message out, which then tarnishes the image of America. So then Alex is doing their job. Well, but he's trying to be very clear that it's not America that did it, but he's still doing it. You bet. And I would say a hundred percent of his audience own a shirt that says Bush did nine hundred percent. Yes. He's doing the thing that they want him to do. He thinks he's not because he's distinguishing between the globalists who have taken over the United States government

sure and Americana. Right. Right. The lore of America. Yes. More important that you can't kill the lore. The lore didn't do it. The lore didn't do 9 11. Right. That's our shirt. So the caller has an interesting quote to help Alex feel better. Thomas Jefferson. No. So if you recall on our last 2003 episode, a Canadian called in and wanted to get into a fight with Alex about how he's a coward for not supporting the war. It was very funny. It was quite hilarious. Quite enjoyable. Yeah. Alex is still a little raw about this. I think because this caller wants to make him feel better with a Teddy Roosevelt quote. Okay. I guess yesterday you had that gentleman from Canada calling you a traitor and a coward, blah, blah, blah, because

you weren't going along. You weren't a Bush worship or supporter. I found this really interesting comment by theodore Roosevelt where he said to announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally reasonable to the American public. I thought that was very interesting. And he did say that quote during an election and did point out that it was very patriotic to criticize the government, the founding. Did you need to say this declaration of independence, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution that we are the government. And when the government becomes destructive of the Republic, it is our right, our duty not to overthrow the Constitution

and the Republic, but to restore it against the usurpers. So that is a real quote. That's an actual quote from an editorial that Teddy Roosevelt wrote in 1918. The problem I have is that that is not an election year. It drew Wilson won a reelection in 1916. And Teddy Roosevelt had been out of office for about a decade at that point and one year away from death. The context for this quote is actually really ironic. If you know where this comes from, this caller is using it to defend Alex from that Canadian guy who said that Alex was cowered for not supporting the war in Iraq and sporting Bush. Well, in Roosevelt's case, he was writing this editorial about how it's great to question the government and the president because he was actually more in favor of war than Woodrow

Wilson. And he'd gotten some flak for that. Yeah, in the previous two years, he'd been writing editorials about how the US needed to get more involved in World War One, arguing that Wilson wasn't being strong enough. The editorial that this quote comes from is his defense of himself on accusations of him being disloyal for calling for more war than the president was waging. The bottom line is that we can all agree that it's fine to criticize the president. It's just funny that Alex is lying about when this was written and he takes this quote about justifying a desire for more war and turns it into something about like Roosevelt saying it was cool for people to overthrow a government if they just decide that it's full of usurpers. It's like, why? Why did

he do that? He just can't stop himself. No, he can't. He's a compulsive liar. Somebody says it's just Theodore Roosevelt. Oh, yeah, that was said whenever Theodore Roosevelt was taking a bath. You know what's fun about Theodore Roosevelt taking a bath? He had two bathtubs that he put side by side. He was the original Viagra commercial. I think that a part of it was an impulse to be like he was selfless in saying this and that even when he was running for president, he said it's good to criticize the president, which he didn't and wouldn't. Yeah, but I think I don't know. I think he wasn't good with presidential criticism when he was the president strangely enough. I think that Alex just thinks it's a more interesting story. It is. He wants to be

interesting really badly. Right. Right. Right. And I think that might come from his high school years, but it usually does start there. Yeah. I don't know. I do find it a little bit frustrating that if I did take the time to like really lay out every time, there's just like, well, that's an extraneous detail that he's making up. We would never finish the show. Yeah. Yeah. We'd be here for a long time. It would be a 24 hour live stream in perpetuity of just like, well, here's a weird detail. We begin in May 1998. So I think Alex really enjoyed that idea that he laid out of the globalists want to make the US look bad to make everyone want to join the US. Right. Right. I don't think I've heard him say that too much, but he expounds on it a little

more and I have some thoughts. Trying to make this as simple as possible. The New World Order doesn't mind at a certain level, allowing thinking people to know that the globalists carried out September 11. Okay. So because what they do is they then demonize America like America did it and like the US government did it. There's so many fantasy layers to this belief. But if you really think about it, Alex kind of really does need to create this elaborate maze in order to defend his points against obvious rebuttals. Yeah. For instance, you have to ask yourself why Alex is allowed to be on air and profit from yelling about how Bush did 9 11 and then just go home and live in peace. When according to his telling of it, the New World Order is a blood

thirsty cabal of murderers who will defend their banking cartel at all costs. They orchestrated both world wars. So you got to imagine they could handle taking out an idiot in Texas if you were doing something that it didn't like. Of course. And that's why they're letting him do it. Exactly. They don't kill him because they're okay with thinking people knowing about 9 11. Alex isn't popular enough for him to use the I'm out in the public. So they have to let me live kind of thing. Right. Right. So I think this is kind of a decent option for him to go with to explain his own existence in this this scheme. No, it's not terrible. So now the globalists not only did 9 11, but they did it in an intentionally sloppy enough way so that the thinking people

in the world would see the obvious clues they left behind and they would use these to argue that the US did 9 11. Right, which is a great plan, but it's a judo move. It's a judo move. It's a judo. Uh, in reality, they want people to say that the US did 9 11 so that they can make the US look bad and trick people into liking the UN. Right. There's so many moving parts in this plan and none of it makes sense. None. If Alex was right and the New World Order secretly wanted people to think that the US did 9 11, wouldn't the people who said that the US did 9 11 be promoted and pushed by the media and not completely marginalized? You'd think that the globalists who control all world media wouldn't want 9 11 conspiracy theorists to be treated like completely unhinged

idiots because their claims being accepted is actually an essential step in achieving the globalist aims. And yet every new story from around the time about 9 11 conspiracies treats these people as completely wrong or as malicious liars. Right. That shouldn't be the case of what Alex is saying is accurate. No, no, no, you don't understand only thinking people need to know this information. Right. And the only way to get thinking people to know this information is to have the mainstream media deny that information because thinking people will then go, Oh, well, the mainstream media is always lying to me. So if the mainstream media is telling this side of the story, that means obviously that the truth is that the United States did 9 11.

However, not the United States government. It's actually the Illuminati who doing this. Hey, we're out of coke. I understand you have a great chart. Listen, I would have been a lot better at categories. I'll tell you that right now. Also, if the globalists really wanted to make people not like the United States, they could just have like a more realistic Frank discussion about US foreign policy in our history. That would probably tarnish people's impressions of our country real quick. Yeah, there's no need to do a 9 11. That is unnecessary. Put like the real story of Banana Republic. It's in every high school textbook and everybody will be like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I hate America too. Good call. Leave it. Good call 100. Yeah.

So I think I kind of agree with something that a caller says. All right, I'm listening. The first point was I wanted to point out how recently with Uday and who say without being killed, it's really shows what a sadist culture we live in when people are celebrating the death of these two men and they totally forget that we've already lost hundreds of our men and we're losing men every day. But it's a big it's a big Super Bowl win. Yeah, they said in the news Bush was down, but he just had a big victory poll numbers are going back up. By the way, Mike, I don't even buy that these guys are dead. So Alex is still not believing that it's a Dom's kids. Nope, they're fine in the Bahamas. Another great prediction of Alex's history. Yeah,

instincts are so sharp. Trust me. He knows. Okay. Yeah, man. It's the Illuminati. But I do agree with this caller that there is a kind of it was pretty grotesque the releasing the death footage or the dead images of them. And I understand that there was a reason why the government did that. We'll talk about that a little bit. But like, I still don't care. I understand the reason as an explanation. Don't think it was the right thing to do. And Alex is really dumb. Yeah. So all those things can be true simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex believes they're fake. And he gives just the perfect real world analogy. Let's explain it. The administration says they're going to serve up photographs of who they and you say as proof to the Iraqis. And that's what I just said.

Yeah, no independent forensics or any such the trivial matters as that. Hey, hey, they're getting them ready. It'll take a few days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, better do a good job. I bet they're going to be blurred. That way you can go in with a computer and show the editing. Well, even if we've done with past photos, go ahead. Even if they're crystal clear, that doesn't mean they weren't cooked. Yeah. Okay. Now, the now these two bills, wait a minute, wait a whole job of Roger when you finished here, you know, mad dog Ben Richards, the brutal slayer of 50 men, women and children. I mean, he did it. He's going to be on the running man tonight. Ready to pay his debt to society and fool. We don't lie. It's all good and well to present a theory that the

government's going to fake some kind of evidence. But I think it doesn't really make for a compelling case when you just come up with like, you know, trying to come up with a real life example and you just reference a movie. Well, I mean, there was that time that sub zero was chasing down, you know, John Richard, right? And he was on the ice rink and that's the ice rink is the Twin Towers. Sure. Okay. And so he's skating on the ice rink and that's al Qaeda. And then John Richards, he tied him up in the gold net, which is Alex Jones. But there's a sub twist to the story. Yes. You may notice that Alex does this all the time because he believes that movies are speaking cryptic messages to him. The New World Order is taunting him and revealing their truths through

the movies that he chooses to see. So saying it's just like running man may as well be Alex providing actual instances of the New World Order doing the thing that he's claiming that they do all the time because he's out of his mind. Yeah. The Pentagon did really release photos of Uday and Cusay's bodies, which a lot of people rightly thought was gross. Alex and this caller are just pretending that they didn't also do dental exams and x-rays to confirm that these bodies were in fact Saddam's kids because it sounds more fishy if it was just a picture. It sounds way better if you say, oh, they're spending days preparing them. They're not doing any of those normal things. The photos are legit out before this episode is over. Of course. Of course. Also, there were

things like one of the bodies having an eight inch metal bar in its leg, which Uday got after he was the target of an attempted assassination in 1996. Right. And Cusay's dick is huge. Right now. What? What? There were plenty of pieces of evidence that these were Saddam's kids, but the Pentagon was also really set on making sure that people who are fighting against them in Iraq accepted that these were Saddam's kids because that would have a demoralizing effect. Right. And I understand that that is the reason why you would release the photos. Right. Again, I think it's gross. Yeah. I suspect that the clear intention that was evident that they wanted to prove that this was Uday and Cusay set off the distrust alarm and people like Alex and this caller. Yeah. And they

can't accept what's being said because they are so trained to be defiant and oppositional. Right. And it's almost a preemptive attack on them. You know, that idea of like, we're going to release the photos so you can't lie about it. You know, they have to immediately go like, I'll fucking lie about it for sure. Well, I mean, I'll lie about more now. This defiance thing, it doesn't even really matter. I don't think what's being said. Like if Biden and the international community, I don't know how this would happen, but somehow if they sided with Russia, sell me on this one. Like if Russia was right to invade Ukraine, right? Right. Alex would be defending Ukraine. Yeah. Just like, you know, yeah, you're probably right. It's it doesn't matter. It's just whatever is being

said by the people that he doesn't like. He's got to take the opposite side and it's tiring. Biden's like, we're teaming up with Russia to fight the Nazis in Ukraine. And Alex is like, I love the Nazis in Ukraine. I made the ASAP battalion. I did qualify that. I don't know how that would happen. But yeah, Alex would take the opposite side. 100%. So Alice gets another caller and this means nothing. It has nothing to do with anything, but I really enjoy this guy's thought pattern. Okay. You know, I'm convinced of one thing that the one of, I don't see which one, one of the intelligence agencies started the New Age movement because it's it's a great way. The army did. That's a fact. We have the official textbooks. Yeah, because you know, I first got

a tip on that about several years back when I drove past regularly one of these New Age bookstores and no one was ever in it. And I said, how could they stay in business? They got to be subsidized. Well, thanks for the call. So there was an unsuccessful New Age bookstore in this guy's town. He was like, fuck, that's a CIA. Obviously the CIA rubs it. Right. I mean, there's a lot of other conclusions you could come to like a tax shelter. It could be a tax shelter. That's obviously the great place to put it. Aren't all bookstores tax shelters now? Or it could be a situation where the person's independently wealthy and it's just a passion. Why not? Yeah. I'll run this New Age

bookstore in the red just so I have somewhere to go every day. Maybe their spouse is a really successful person in business and it's like, well, here you do your pet project or whatever. Yeah, maybe it'll be profitable someday. Sure. There's all kinds of explanations that don't require. The CIA is subsidizing this bookstore in my town, but wherever the fuck you live. But you know, and you say that, but you know, 99 times out of 100, sure, I'm wrong. But if I'm right that one time, I saved everybody's life. Also, let's talk about what importance this small town bookstore or whatever has to the larger New Age movement. All right. Now we're getting into the real nitty gritty of this conspiracy by Fred. This bookstore that this guy never saw anybody in. Is it like

the central hub of the New Age movement? I mean, is it like the hate Ashbury for the hippies? Here's the problem. What he's got to do underground bunker. There's something underneath there that is so his small town. He's got a giant oil deposit directly beneath the New Age bookstore. The CIA starts the entirety of New Age thought in 18. Let's call it 94. The army did it. We can prove it. Exactly. We can prove that and that is how they get all the oil for tanks. It all comes from that one New Age bookstore. Wow. And we never would have cracked a code. That guy wasn't like, that's weird. I'm proud of him. I'm not proud of this color. Okay. Alex, I have been trying to get a cable access show since 1998. Now the such things as a black

Christian group from a church that does a little singing and piano playing. Oh boy. And walk in and get a cable access show and no trouble at all. Or some idiot talking about an invisible dog fence can walk in and get a show. And I had been trying to show a film about Waco since 1998. I've got a stack of your films down there. What do they say when you go in there? Leave us alone. On the list, Mr. Campbell. And it's been since 1998. Well, you need to go in and get their bylaws and their rules and file suit against them. Get those bylaws. The county attorney, I've been to the county commissioners. Well, don't go to them. Just file suit on them. You'll be on the air in about 10 minutes. And then if the film's having an effect, they'll shut the access station down. They've done it a

bunch of places. And from New York to New Jersey, and my name has been listed in the news articles because of my films. They have emergency meetings. In one case, feds show up and they shut the stations down all because they don't want you to see these videos. Wow, he must be really disseminating some pretty seriously dangerous information if the feds shut down these stations just because they're playing Alex's videos. The whole station. Oh boy. So I like this. I like this idea. Like this guy obviously, for whatever reason, I mean, it could just be a situation where they don't have a slot for him. Sure. And some people might be more aggressive about trying to get their slot. Maybe he's going about it the wrong way, talking to attorneys and such.

Yeah, that is a weird way to go. Now, what Alex is describing isn't like give them a lawsuit that is merit based. He's essentially saying threatened to sue them. They will put you on air because they don't want to deal with it. They don't have a law against slap lawsuits anymore or yet in 2003. So depending on the state, you might be able to let that shit fly. So yeah, this is basically harass them with threats of litigation and you'll get on air and then you can play my stuff. And in doing so, you will destroy the station and it will get shut down. Correct. I like this. I like this media economy. It's a very reasonable series of events that would totally occur as he described. The FBI would show up at a local

access TV station. Are you playing in for war stuff? How dare you, sir? You're going with me. You are in the back. Guantanamo for you. Yeah, totally. So this is a bit racist. Well, I mean, that last caller was a bit racist too. A touch. He had the he had the racism. There was a vibe, but then also it was wildly specific about an idiot with a really wild thing. It sounds like he's got an axe to grind against this specific guy. Yeah, he's mad at that dude. This is a bit more racist. I lived in the United States my whole life. I've traveled around the world. I was in the military. But you know, if you go back 15 years ago, Alex, and I'm sure it's like this in Texas, you go to any fast food restaurant, McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell, you name it.

The majority of the workers are Hispanic. The majority of them cannot speak English. Most of the time I have a bilingual Hispanic working in the restaurant and he kind of controls what's going on in there. Yeah, and let me break that down. Then what happens is he drives down the overall wages, breaks down the society and if the government wanted to enforce INS rules, they would go and fine and fee and arrest all these corporate leaders. But that's not going to happen. And folks, we used to have a couple hundred thousand immigrants a year. Now it's millions legal, millions illegal every year. And they're being filled by the Fortune 500 full of race politics, whether they're Russians or Chinese or Hispanics. We always talk about

Hispanics because they're the majority, the 400 million in Latin America, 220 million new births a year coming this way. And yeah, it's just felony crimes being committed everywhere, but the government is legitimizing it 800 plus cities except fake IDs from Poland, Mexico, Venezuela, the matriculas. It's just wholesale destruction of the Republic. Absolutely, Alex. And you know what? And the other thing I wanted to make a point is I have a relative who works for the state of Illinois and she told me, she heard that, you know, a lot of these gas stations and convenience stores and Dunkin Donuts are all being bought up by Pakistan or Indians. And they're supposedly tagged, at least in the state of Illinois,

she said, she knows that their tax exempt for seven years. Now, Alex, if there's any truth that then she said they milk the system and what they'll do is they'll bring it. That's true. Pioneers get a seven year tax exemption. What Senator from Utah wants to give the illegals more tuition. I read the bill not just as much more tuition and citizens. It's a magnet to bring hundreds of millions of people in who will then pull the lever for gun control and big government, everything else. So it's horrible, Alex. So you may notice that this scholar is just bringing up a feeling that he has that all fast food kitchens have a lot of Hispanic employees, which Alex then immediately pivots into a conversation about his fears about immigrants.

It's fascinating how Alex just hears about a minority group getting mentioned and his mind flips through the talking point Rolodex and this is what comes out. This then spirals into Alex complaining about his perception that immigrant crime is completely out of control and that all these fake IDs are accepted for immigrants that this is destroying the country. That's where his mind goes when someone brings up a feeling that a lot of fast food workers are Hispanic. And that should tell you a lot about Alex and his racist ass brain. You bet. Also, the idea that foreigners get tax exemption is a completely racist myth that circulated forever to demonize non-white business owners, but it's not true at all. The irony here is that it actually

has its roots in another reality of immigration that people like Alex and this caller pretend isn't real, namely that if you're not eligible for most federal benefits from the government until five years after you immigrate. Yeah. Because the right wing media, they need to portray immigrants as solely a strain on the system. This entire thing needs to be inverted. In reality, most folks aren't eligible for benefits and if they run a business, they have to pay taxes. This gets reported by racist xenophobes like Alex as them getting rich on welfare immediately and being tax exempt for seven years. It's just big at shit and there's nothing real about this at all. And again, at the end here, you see this payoff turn into the great replacement conspiracy theory. The idea

that the globalists are trying to bring in all these immigrants using incentives like welfare and tax exemption in order to bring in a population that'll vote subserviently for things that'll take the country away from the rightful whites like Alex. In more recent times, with a lot of mass shootings and violence directed at immigrants and being inspired by people's anger at immigration, this great replacement conspiracy has gotten a lot of attention. It's important to recognize, though, that this was a belief that was very clearly and regularly articulated on Alex's show going back at least a decade. The people who are carrying out these shootings now could very easily have been raised with kind of information space that Alex creates, where this fraudulent

perception and perspective on immigration is just accepted as reality. It's not recent. Yeah. I mean, you go back to Pat Buchanan. You can just keep going back and back and back because white people are terrified that they won't be able to run rough shot over the rest of the world for long. And just that things are being taken. Things are different. Yeah. And they're not even being taken. So throughout this entire episode, Alex has been bringing up that the website is down, theinfoors.com is down. It's been really banal, non-scandal. Up until the hack. They built the infrastructure. They're engaging in tyranny against the people, whether you're for their system or against it every day in a compartmentalized fashion.

People don't know how to communicate with each other. The media keeps this illusion going. The globalists are fighting to shut down alternative media. Wait, aren't they letting you and people have to start valuing alternative information and spreading the word about alternative information every way they can? And I talked to my IT guy, DeWayne Coots, and he's never seen anything like it. It is a massive attack, denial of service. You name it, multiple forms of attacks on the entire server farm and particular offshoot feeding theinfowars.com and prisonplanet.com. Because, you know, the site gets tens of millions of visitors a month now, literally. And so, you know, sometimes at midnight or something,

when it reloads or something, it'll go down for a few minutes and then we fix it. It's still rare. This one is huge and sustained and, you know, it'll just make people go to the site more because they can't get to it. But infowars.net is up and we're putting the photos of Quisey and, you know, the Saddam brothers' sons up on the site. So, infowars.net is there and has been updated. He doesn't know their names, but Manny's sure they're not dead. Definitely not dead. Yeah, so now we've got a coordinated massive attack on the website. Here's how he talked about it at the beginning of the show. Like, I didn't even cut clips of him talking about it because I thought, like, hey, I got a little tech issue. Yeah. That's basically all that was going on. Before I take

20 calls on air about this subject, let me just cover it now, infowars.com and prisonplanet.com are rarely down, but as the traffic has grown, we've had to expand the size of servers and server farms. And every time we grow out of our bridges, we have some problems. But the current outage I'm told is because of some of the backbone of the internet itself where our servers are located. There's a problem in that city. And we've already gotten a bunch of calls at my office and we've gotten calls at the network and a bunch of emails that people can't get to infowars.com or prisonplanet.com. And I apologize, but that should be up very, very soon. Yeah, just a tech problem. Okay. When I heard him talking about it throughout the beginning of the show, I was like,

you're leaving money on the table, man. Right. This is a scalar attack. Yeah, absolutely. This is victim time, baby. You're under attack because, I mean, obviously, if someone, you know, someone's attacking the website, it's the global. It's gotta be. And if the globalists are doing that, that means they're only doing it because they're scared of the information you're putting out. Right. It's why you do this. Right. Here's a problem I have with this. Oh, right. I have a problem too. You go first. Okay. Okay. How can the globalists both be furiously trying to shut down alternative media sites and simultaneously using alternative media to disseminate information that they need disseminate it? Well, it's because by attacking it, it'll only make Alex more popular

because they know that the globalists attacking him will make him look more legit. Right. And so they're doing it as a favor to him to help get this message out. Right. So people will turn against the United States and enjoy the United Nations. I mean, you know what? When you put it like that, air tight. Here's my problem. What's that? Ain't nobody give a shit about his dumbass show. That is true. That is true. There is that. There is that. Tens of millions of hits every month. Maybe there are millions of individual page views, not visitors. No. But yeah, no one cared enough to take down your fucking stupid site. Definitely not. But here he's very clear. It's because he's too dangerous. It's what fighting for the republic's all about, folks. They don't

want you to read about the drones and the microchips and the slavery from their own publications. They don't want it all posted in one spot every day. Mountains of their evil. Mountains of their corruption because we're hurting them so bad. So a counterattack shows that, you know, they're trying to attack our key infrastructure and it's not going to work. Yeah, just proves that how dangerous his information is to the globalists. I mean, he did say earlier that it was actually not even traffic. It wasn't related to him. No, it was in the city, the town where the servers physically were held. Boy, it's weird, isn't it? So it's both a DDoS attack and apparently a saboteur. All things at once. That sounds right. This is sort of a interesting proto version of Alex's

marketing plan that he would use once he got kicked off all the social media stuff. It's like, this is come find the verboten information, that kind of thing. It's baked into the very DNA of his show. This people not wanting my shit around. Any kind of setback that I can have, whether it is getting kicked off something or a tech problem, can be presented as proof that what I'm doing is fucking serious and dangerous. And it'll never stop because people really don't want me around. That is true. Wow, is it true? Yeah. Now, we could have suspects. Wait, of the saboteurs? Okay. But actually, we don't. Oh, okay. We know who it is. The website to visit is infowars.net. That's the site we updated today.

That's the site that's not under department of defense hack attack. And it's official, folks. I don't talk about it on the air. It's happened a lot and they're getting more sophisticated and multifaceted. And the diagnostics have been done and it's a wholesale massive attack of the largest proportions we've ever seen. Tricky, tricky. Wow. It's tricky. It's tricky for massive attack. That is so sad. He's doing it. No, it's the DoD. Yep. Yep. Oh, boy. That is very sad. That's the type of bullshit where I bet he got off air that day, like, man, that was so great when I rift into that DDoS attack. That was pretty. Hey, guys, did you hear that? We got attacked by a fucking angel and honestly, like eardrop. I've heard this. Wait, those are songs. I don't

remember any of the other members of names and I apologize for that. You're all right. Look, this is something he's done a bit. But I've only heard it later than this. This is the furthest back I've heard the hack attack fun game being played. Yeah. And it's clunky. It's a little transparent. That was young internet times. Oh, three. That's crazy. It's true. It's hard to that. He was probably hosting it on Angel Fire and shit. Yeah. This is probably before he had an Infowars dating site. He's still searching on Netscape. So that's dumb. And it's fun for him. But he gets a call. And this is where everything goes to shit. Okay, good. This is our twist. There was a sub twist. Oh, no. The main twist is that this caller is a sovereign citizen. Okay.

I was watching something. I'm here in Austin. So I see all the public access stuff that goes on and I saw something the other day. It was a speech that I don't even remember who was giving it. But he talked about how no nations are actually nations. They're really corporations. And everything runs under international maritime Admiralty. And birth certificates in the U.S. are actually worth $630,000 to the U.S. government. No, that's true. We're traded. No, this is all. Sorry, what now? We're traded as collateral. I'm sorry. Hold on. What now?

On debt. Could you stop on that? This and deals with the third world. We posted three or four times the last month. People keep requesting it. The official State Department document from 1991 detailing a declassified plan since 1974 with Kissinger and others, 73, excuse me, that if third world countries want money, IMF World Bank loans, they have to sign their people over as collateral. And they have to sterilize forcibly half the women in those 10 countries. So we don't just have the facts that were traded like cattle on the open market. We have official government documents. Yeah, so this dude's just having straight up sovereign citizenship here.

None of that's real at all. And Alex is rambling around making vague references to some document, but it's actually just the National Security Study Memorandum 200. This is an analysis of population growth trends and their implications for national security. It had nothing to do with signing over populations as collateral and the stuff about sterilization. It's just Alex lying about suggestions in the document about providing funding for contraception in the developing world. Yep, everything Alex is saying is bullshit and it's being deployed to justify the sovereign citizen nonsense that this caller is asking about. Really makes you wonder if Alex actually believes the sovereign citizenship or if this is just a desperate attempt to make sure the audience

thinks he knows everything and is really interesting. Yeah, I can't tell maybe both. I mean, that might as well be sovereign citizenship. The caller is bringing it up and Alex is saying, you bet, which is in function pretty bad. Yeah, because whatever the case, if you're a listener and you believe Alex, he's leading you down an insane and dangerous path. These kinds of beliefs funnel directly into the world of sovereign citizen communities. And from there, you have a much greater chance of taking in ideas about how your supposed rights might make you kill a cop who pulls you over for driving without a license. There you go. Alex should really be more careful and not just make shit up whenever he wants to feel smart. But there's a sub twist. Oh, no,

sub twist. Oh, no. And I remember old timers, you know, eight years ago, talking about the maritime and that's how it really ran in the courts. And then now there have been cases like Diana Lupe, the famous screenwriter out and it was in the New American magazine. Big report is also on the Associated Press three years ago. She owned 90 something makers and a beautiful three story house on public on private land with public land around it. The house was homesteaded to 1906. And they went and closed public roads that on the maps were not even part of the Forest Service did not cross Forest Service lands. But on three sides, it was Forest Service lands. They came to her house, grabbed her, wouldn't let her have her stuff, arrested her, said you

can't have a jury, we're taking your house. No warrants, no, no judge and she went before the judge and he said, this is maritime. We have seized your land and I'm sorry, what? And that was in that was in the federal ruling. So and then there's many of those, but now they say it. Yeah, there's so many of those. Do I understand correctly that the judge said, this is maritime law. So the judge was declaring this is a kumata. Exactly. Okay. All right. I just want to be clear that I love it. No, I really do. I see her and I see the judge being at an absurdly tall bench. She's looking up like, I just want my home. She's making like a legitimate, really grounded legal argument. He's like, lady, I'm sorry. It doesn't matter.

This is maritime. I would like to quote many different citated cases. No, maritime. Maritime. What dumb shit. Oh boy. So now we have one last clip where we have to really wrestle with the fact that I think Alex does believe sovereign citizenship. Okay. But this image is also really fantastic. And under admiralty, they are a private corporation authorizing themselves to engage in seizure of any of any vessel, not flying the Jolly Roger. And that sounds ridiculous, but that's what skull and bones does sound ridiculous. And on the wall, they have war. They say we are the pirate kings. And it's a society of piracy and wickedness and criminality. And they have set themselves up as the government. And everyone is free game unless they are in the

criminal crime syndicate and openly fly the Jolly Roger. That sounds true. That's some pretty scary stuff. Yeah, man. That's some pretty scary stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So pirates. Pirates. Should we be flying the Jolly Roger then? I mean, what do you what do you mean? Well, are you asking if it's a good idea to I feel like he's saying that one way to get around a lot of these problems is simply to fly the Jolly Roger. I wonder if he's actually talking about the Jolly Roger. He must be. Or if it's a metaphor for like the mark of the beast. I don't know. I'm being too generous. I really think he's talking specifically about. Well, I mean, because skull and bones is like the Jolly Roger. Right. And we can't steal their shit. Well, but that makes me think that it is

literally a scholarly crossbones that he's talking about. Okay. So I think we need to get one. I think we got to learn more about pirates. Well, you got to give it up to him. It's true from from wherever they are now. And you know what? Blackbeard is the devil. Right. Something like that. Well, they make you walk the plank. That's really about accepting Jesus. So so if I understand correctly, if I understand correctly, you like the cops could come to your home and they'd be like, it's maritime law. We're going to take this. But then raise the Jolly Roger. No. Cops can't declare maritime. Oh, I apologize. It's gotta be a judge. Gotta be a judge. Yeah. Yeah. The cops could be told by the judge. Right. So the cops have a writ of maritime law. Right. Yes. It's gold tassels

that they nail it to the door first, of course, to give them notice. Yeah, naturally. And actually, you have to make a movie about how this person's house is going to be seized and they have to choose to see it in order for it to be predictive program. Right. And Arnold Schwarzenegger has to start in it. Yeah. He was actually running for mayor or governor at this point in time. Although a small update on that. Yeah. Alex got a call from a guy on this episode who said that Arnold isn't going to run for governor. How did that go? Alex doesn't seem to care that much at this point, but he also does not like Arnold. Okay. So I'm tracking that, but the call wasn't interesting. We'll keep an eye, especially compared to like this revelation that Alex is probably a sovereign

wild. Yeah. I mean, and really he dances around it so much that like this is one of the more concrete instances of like, oh, you do believe this shit. That's funny. I think, I think he's at this place in his head where it's like, I believe this is true, but I know that they're not going to act like it's true. So I'm not going to be the person who drives around without a license. I have to follow all of these rules, but I know in my heart that I don't really have to. I'm not going to send notice and my security card back to the IRS and demand my $600,000 bank account. Yeah. Oh, no, he's probably not. No, although he might need it later. Yeah, use it. Shit's bad. Well, anyway, we come to the end of this 2003 adventure and we learned a bit.

We, I mean, subtwist after subtwist. So many subtwists, so many twists. Mm. I really don't like sentiment twists. Thought I had a hankering. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, with another non-present day Alex show as he's been banished, banished until the mark of the day. David Jones locker, which is held, which is held. Yes. Wait, they flew the Jolly Roger though. So the globalists can't get to them, but you're afraid of going to David Jones locker. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, we do. It's knowledge fight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge underscore fight. And I go to bed, Jordan. Well, be back. But until then,

I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. They'll run this because Dr. Marbles is a bad dude. I'll figure something else out. Anyway. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.