Knowledge Fight - #681: May 8, 2022

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in with plaintiff's attorney Mark Bankston about how things are progressing in Alex's case, then go over an episode with him that involves some legal claims.

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I love you. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan.

There's a lot going on in the world. Yeah. I don't mean to sound insensitive by the frivolity of this. Sure. But look, it's the dreamy, creamy summer. Of course. I had planned this in advance that I was going to have a special week. And so this week is astronaut ice cream week.

I'm going to be exploring the world of astronaut ice cream. Sure. And I have done so a little bit so far. And I have, I have some mixed results there. There is a wide space. There are a lot of mixed results out there. A lot of nothingness. And then there's a planet.

There's a whole thing. There is a huge gap between a decent astronaut ice cream and some of it is so bad. So I was asking for, like, am I going to find something that's really terrible? Sure. I have some of these astronaut ice creams. But we'll get to some of the specifics throughout the week. But one of the reasons that I wanted to bring this up as my bright spot is people need to know it's astronaut ice cream week.

Of course. And second, I need to warn you in advance about a picture I'm going to send you for the Instagram account. Okay. All right. It is very dumb. It's dumb. And yeah, I don't want to spoil it too much.

Okay. But I think people will enjoy it quite a bit. Okay. So what's your bright spot? Excellent. My bright spot, Dan, there's, there's only, there can be only one answer, Dan. Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers drops. Kendrick Lamar.

I can tell you right now it is a, the culmination of the past hundred years of music. Whoa. It is incredible. There is no hyperbole that you can make about this album. Uh-huh. It is the teleological endpoint of the moment Scott Joplin hit the keys, man. This is what it is. You said the same thing about some 41's first album though.

I did say that and I was proven correct. Fat Lip does hold up. I don't know if that was in their first album. No, it's amazing. It's going to be studied and picked apart for 20 years. I've heard a lot of great things. Everything. I have not heard the album yet myself because I've been kind of busy with my own business

here. But yeah, I look forward to turning that on. Incredible. And I have a little downtime. Yeah. So Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to go over and actually we have someone along with us who might have a bright spot of their own. Holy shit.

Is he behind me? He is. Oh God. So ladies and gentlemen, joining us for a very, I don't know if this has ever happened before. It's never happened before. For a full episode. No, it's going to be weird.

Joining us, one of the plaintiff's attorneys for Alex's Sandy Hook lawsuits in Texas, Mark Bankston. Hello. Hey, how are you doing guys? It's good to be back. Great. What's your bright spot? I don't know.

New Kendrick CD is pretty good. Yeah. My description is a little bit better. I just tagged myself as an over 40 year old. Yeah. I'm listening to some CDs gentlemen. I have the physical copy of the Kendrick album. Yeah.

I'm not going to lie. I saw that on YouTube. Come on now. No, like, you know, the world's so dark right now that the like one of our bright spots is the utter collapse of crypto and like how, how, how tough of a world is it we're like, you know, financial collapse is something you're, you know, that's your bright spots to see all the crypto bros go down. I definitely think some good memes have come out of it for sure.

Yeah. So, I mean, as far as the wider world, no, there's not a lot of bright spots. Things are looking really, really tough right now, but my little corner of it's looking okay. I've had a nice little vacation because some of your, your listeners know I've been supposed to be in a trial against that. It's true. Yeah.

We were supposed to be in Texas and hanging out and that did not end up happening. No. Instead I went to the Hill Country and took my kid down the Guadalupe River. Nice. Yeah. And then I went to the side, you know, where I had to be in this trial. Did he get back yet? Is he?

You didn't just drop him off at Guadalupe River. Right. Yeah. He's gone. Yeah. Just leave him at the LBG, LBJ library, call it good. Yeah. No, we, it's been a, it's been a good couple of weeks, but we're all just kind of sitting

here twiddling our thumbs. As soon as this bankruptcy stunt happened and kind of, you know, I assume everybody knows what we're talking about, but here, but like right on the eave of the trial, we're supposed to have the first trial that Jones is supposed to face from the Sandy Hook parents. He engineers a strange little stunt and it was a bankruptcy stunt that did not involve himself or the company by which he operates his business under. It involved some little paper entities he registered 10 years ago and he used the stunt to stop the trial because basically when you file a bankruptcy, you get an automatic

order from a federal court that basically just says, but on the brakes, everybody stop. And so we had, they led us right up to that thinking we were going to go to trial, you know, just basically lying through their teeth the whole time. And then like, you know, a few days beforehand, nope, we're going to bankruptcy court. Yeah. And so for me, so right before that was, it was 100% it has to be like the way it was so immediate. I mean, like me and Jordan had like tickets.

I lost money on this. Jones owes me 300 unreturnable dollars. You're fine. But yeah, it was down to the wire. It's I find it very difficult to imagine that that wasn't like something was like, well, no, 100% I'll tell you it wasn't like I we had a hearing on March 10th and it was to address a whole bunch of issues coming up in the pretrial and their new attorney number 11 at the time, right out in front of the courthouse on break was taunting me about

the fact of, oh, yeah, we got something cooking. We got something up our sleeve. And so I knew something was coming. That doesn't seem cool. That's literally what I said to him is I was like, dude, don't talk to me like you're Yoda. Just tell me what you're telling me, man. There's no reason to talk to me in riddles. Like I don't even know games we have.

It is it is a bit like a Scooby-Doo plot, like a ghost suddenly appears outside the courthouse and like, we got to shut this down for two weeks. Yeah, it really was. It was a total caper. And then at the end, you pull the wood off and you go, oh, my God, Alex Jones, you're under the, you know, yeah. It's Alex Jones under an Alex Jones mask. So when that happened, I kind of, I don't know anything about bankruptcy law.

There's nothing I can do in a bankruptcy proceeding that makes my eyes glazed over. But of course, when you're representing who I represent and you're suing who I'm suing, the most powerful lawyers in the world come out of the woodwork and say, hey, well, do this just to do it. We'll be happy to do it. So I've been sitting on the sidelines. Why, you know, some of the people who have been following this have noticed I haven't been in these hearings that have been going on in these bankruptcy things.

And it's because we have counsel who stepped up to do that. So basically what he's joined you for this one. That was crazy. The Dersh was in there. We got him. We got what's that guy's name? Lynn Woods in there. Yeah, and Linman Miranda, Larry Clayman's given us some brief advice.

That Basta guy who, yeah, the Basta guy. Yeah. Everybody's doing it from, he's on a prison zoom, you know, calling it from prison. It's just the top of mind. No, like when seriously, though, when, when, when, when you have a firm like Aiken Gump who comes to you and just like, it's taken care of, don't worry about it. And, and for me, it was, I had two weeks of my life scheduled out for this. It's just all of a sudden, you know, look, these guys cause all sorts of

inconvenience for everybody else for all the witnesses who were going to come for the court who was setting things up. You got to understand they were calling a jury pool of a hundred people had given them a questionnaire. Like, like wheels were in motion. But as far as for me, they basically just handed me a big gift. They gave me a two week vacation. Yeah, and I think I think it's probably like always been a feeling to of like,

well, this is a, this is an inconvenience and a hassle. But this isn't going to get rid of the trouble for him. You know, that's always been the, I mean, look, it was from the moment the stunt happened, everybody knew it was a stunt. And the question was, would, would the proposal they're putting not be enough to make these cases go away and any irrational person knew from the start, it wouldn't. And just to kind of explain to your viewers, I mean, your listeners, what happened

here, your viewers, are they watching us right now? Because that's, you know, I just want to make sure nobody's looking at me right now. I'm in my pajamas at the moment. When your, your listeners may be familiar with, with bankruptcy from when the Purdue pharmaceuticals went down with the opiates and the Sackler family. I mean, plenty of them have gone bankrupt too, I would assume, you know, they could be familiar with it from person to person, but let me tell you Jordan, your own personal bankruptcy as a personal consumer, when CarMax

is chasing you down for that, for that Ford Fiesta is very, very different than your experience when you're the Sacklers and you've killed a hundred million people, right? Like it's a just totally different experience. Yeah, they get away free. Right. They were able to engineer what we call a sub chapter five bankruptcy is by taking entities which were doing nominal amounts of business, basically

throwing them under the bus and then creating non-consensual releases for everybody else. And that means that the plaintiffs are brought into a room and told them, this is the money you have. Oh, and when nobody's going to look really closely, because you have third parties who are funding the bankruptcy. Like this is, this is what you got to understand. When, when Purdue goes into bankruptcy, then there are third party sources

of funding that could have been sued, who are then giving Purdue the money to settle the bankruptcy under the table, but nobody gets to throw a lens on how much money is there. When Jones and his attorneys kind of saw how went that went down, they thought, oh, this is, this is a good idea. Let's try to do one of those. And what they didn't realize is they had none of the necessary ingredients to make it happen.

They came in there with just a sham. You just can't write info wars on a piece of paper and then hand it over and say, all right, that's the company. And now everything's going to be through that. Like that doesn't work. It turns out you can try. Yeah, you know, I think my, my main problem is that you can do that and get a few weeks off from your trial.

I think that's 100%. You can do that, which you get a couple million exactly in Bitcoin. No, this is all fucked. Yeah. Everything about this is not just, there's no question about that. But, but if they had a business that had been doing even a nominal amount of commerce, they could have probably pulled this off, but instead, they just had some paper entities and they brought them down there.

And the first thing that happens is the judge looks at them all and goes, none of these people are doing any business. None of them have any assets. What are we even doing here? We're all heading towards a dismissal here and we're all about to spend a bunch of money, make a bunch of witnesses, put a bunch of people on the stand and do all this stuff to unravel the, the Gordian knot of this silliness that they put on this court and you're right, they gained some time out of it.

But instead, we just decided let's just non-suit, dismiss our claims against the entities that don't have any assets. Well, you wouldn't be able to get anything out of them anyway because of that. Right. And so if this, and here's the deal is if this was a legit bankruptcy, those entities would normally be swinging from the chandeliers thinking, oh great, we're off the hook. But that was never the point of this bankruptcy to begin with.

Right. And so from Jones's perspective, even though the attorneys for the entities and the trustee for the entities of these assetless entities are happy, they're like, all right, we're closing down this bankruptcy. Jones on his show is screaming about how he's been denied the right to his bankruptcy. Right. Because now all of a sudden you're in a very strange position where he, he, he

took these paper entities, like one of which is named InfoWars LLC, pushed it to the side and separated it from itself. And then the moment that it had a separate and different legal interest than him, then all of a sudden he feels betrayed. Right. He feels like the goal that he was going after, he can't get. And so that's what he's screaming on TV about, you know, on a show about right now. And some of that is what we're going to talk about throughout this episode.

There will be some complaining about that. Um, very fun. But on Friday, the news came out that the bankruptcy issue was sort of moot and things would be moving forward with the case. So that's one of the, you know, the reason why I reached out to you and I wanted to get a bit of an update on it since I certainly don't speak the language of the court. And you said, Hey, how about we talk about Alex's show from May 8th?

Uh, cause there's some stuff that you wanted to go over on. And I said, Hey, why not? Let's do it. So that's why we're part of the reason I wanted to do that is because people won't stop emailing me asking me what the hell is going on. So maybe I can just link them to your show and we can do it. So you invited yourself on our show out of spite to our listeners. Well, not our listeners necessarily.

Not. Yeah. Not necessarily. Believe me, your listeners are really, okay. Your listeners actually give the most lovely correspondence. They're the sweetest people on the whole planet. I'm actually talking about mainstream media. Um, annoying as hell.

They are like, oh yeah, they don't listen to the show, buddy. I, well, they're going to have to, cause I'm just sending a list into this. I'm not talking to you. Just give, here's the explanation. This will be your statement of explaining. Yes, that's the, I don't like bankruptcy to begin with. Like there's nothing about it that's fun or anything. I don't like, I, the less I can talk about it, the better.

So like, let's just make a record of what happened here. So we can get everybody up to speed. Nice. Well, yeah, it all seems very technical and bizarre and a pain in the ass. Stupid is what you mean. That's bankruptcy is stupid. Just, I mean, that's what you could title the episode that bankruptcy is stupid. That's the only thing we learned here today.

Nobody's going to find out from this story. There's no lesson here other than bankruptcy is stupid. If we, uh, titled things other than like just the name of the date, uh, then I would consider it, but so strict policy of non-descriptive titles. You cannot find the episode you are looking for. And that is my design. Listen to the whole show. We don't want to draw people in.

Yes. Exactly. Kid is far away from our show as you can. Yeah. So, um, I am, I've gone over this. We've got some clips to discuss. Some of it has to do with the bankruptcy. Some of it's just stupid, but we start here on a note of the bankruptcy, but

it's also a moment of self-reflection for Alex. You know, I'm a good talk show host. I'm a good TV host. I mean, I, I, it's an interesting informative show and we try to empower humanity, but I've got a big point that I really, I'm not good at, and that is hyping something up and building it up. And so I'm just going to leave it at this, dealing with the disinformation board and George Soros.

We got information two weeks ago that I mentioned on air and then days later was even in the associated press, but like it was a good thing. And then we got more information Friday and now we've gotten part of the documents and we're getting more, but you talk about racketeering. You talk about illegal, what they're trying to do with info wars and what has come out in the state courts and the bankruptcy court is unbelievable. It's unbelievable. He's so he's got some documents is what I hear from him.

Sure. I heard that. But what I'm focused on is, did he say he's bad at hyping things up? Well, see, I have a mixed feeling about that. I mean, I was thinking the same thing, because that is true and also not true simultaneously. He's, he does it a lot. Yes.

Um, and he's good at getting himself to do it. Right. But he's tactless at it. Yes. That is, it's poor execution. Yeah. Diminishing returns. Yes.

Very much so. So we did hear about this on a recent show. Alex did say he did hint that Soros is behind his, his bankruptcy or there's some, there's some shady dealings. Of course. Okay. Uh, do I get it? I, I, I, you know, it's hard to, uh, God, this is just great stuff.

We're already off to a wonderful start. Um, I can hear you not answering the question. Yeah. Like, all you hear from me right now is multiplication, right? No, this is, this is what I hear. I think I hear worrying in the back of her shredding documents. Yeah. Right.

Okay. So here's two thoughts. One is whenever I hear anybody now on info wars talk about, we have documents quote unquote, all I can think about is going in and, and, and taking the deposition of their corporate representative, Daria Carpova, and she brought a little folder of documents with her. And those documents were the most hysterical, absurd things I can. I'm like, I came with my case today.

And it's like, here's a Wikipedia printout of the Reichstag fire to throw the false flight here is a page from Wolfgang Halbig conspiracy website. It's like, I don't know what the hell they have in terms of documents, but I know two things. One, it's going to be really dumb. And two, they're going to have done a really bad job of reading whatever it is because they simply, this is how it goes every time. I think I'm, I think that I've actually worked out what the

document they're talking about. Go ahead with me, because this is all hitting me. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. So I think that the document Alex is talking about is just the letter that the US trustee sent to the court. I think that's it. God, that's wonderful.

It's the, it's that the government was like, Hey, come on, man. Come on. Right. And Alex is like, this is all coming down to you. He doesn't understand how civics, like as a high school civics thing is what we're dealing with right now is why I think George Soros is involved. He thinks because the US trustee sent, you made a recommendation from the court about thumbs up, thumbs down on this bankruptcy, like it does.

And, and like, like, like it's its job to do to enforce bankruptcy code. That's the only thing I can think of in terms of like, what is a document? I don't know. So because look, I heard him talking about like, Oh, Soros is behind all this. We know the law firms and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, I, this is what I'm interested to hear, right? Because up until now, it has been kind of generic and it's been kind of. It's been thrown more at the court really recently than us because he

just gets mad at the courts. And, and that, that bothers me because I'll tell you, I'm in two minds of this. When I hear him go off on this stuff about Soros, on one hand, I'm laughing to myself and I'm thinking, well, actually, that's pretty good. If, if, if, if people in my jury pool here that he's going off about Soros, you know, that's a wonderful thing for a Travis County jury here. But I'm the other mind of it is, is I keep seeing him say this shit about our judge and saying all sorts of like, like really antagonist

to costal shit about our judge. And, and, and I, you know, she didn't ask to be like, she's got to go and walk into the courthouse every day when we're having this trial. True. And so, yeah, like, I don't, I mean, she also has the power to stop him. She's not doing any, she's not. I mean, she could do shit, right? I mean, I know that the law allows you to do shit.

Oh, look, man, look, I am a, I'm a lawyer who is, is currently suing somebody and trying to get them held legally responsible for the things they said, like their speech. But I'm telling you right now, if you are talking about that, that judge should do something to shackle his ability to talk to his audience about the circumstances of his trial and whether he thinks he's getting a fair trial, the moment you say, oh, well, now he's crossed into crazy town because he's talking about George Soros.

Now you're doing something that I even believe is really offensive to the First Amendment. I don't think the responsibility falls on this judge at all to enforce it. I think it falls on the council who is representing Alex Jones right now. And what I don't think a lot of people understand is they've seen a lot of parade of some really bad lawyers in this case. But right now, Alex Jones has been picked up by a new guy who's a former U.S. attorney, a United States Justice Department attorney, who was an Eric

Holder goon, according to Alex Jones, you know, five, six years ago. But now he's running the show for Alex in Texas. And that guy needs to get his house in order. That guy needs to get a leash on his damn client. If he wants to come and make a big reputation of himself representing some proto fascist madman, the least he could do is try to reign in the conspiracy theories about what's going on with our judge. For fuck's sake, I mean, like get your house in order.

That would be nice. It's not going to happen. It's never going to happen. I've been pounding this drum for two years. It's never going to happen. Yeah. And it's not like there'd be a way that you could really effectively like have a gag order about the case without it, like kind of having blowback. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. I think there's some really like interesting allegations that are made throughout the course of this this episode. So I think I think you'll enjoy some of these some of these high high claims that Alex makes. Here's some more about Soros for you. Not only is he entangled in this case against Alex, he's all over the place, man. Soros runs over a thousand DAs and district attorneys, county attorneys now. George Soros is not even hiding the fact that he runs the disinformation

bureau and that they have a plan to basically sue tens of thousands of conservative and Christian leaders once the precedent set with rig juries, with rig courts, with default operations against info wars. And they admit that and have now admitted. To court officials in federal court that George Soros is running this and is set to publicly announce he's trying to take me off the air, which we already knew, but that arrogance. Oh, the arrogance, the bravada.

I mean, it takes a lot of arrogance, I would say, to say to ostensibly millions of people, if you don't stop this trial, George Soros personally will sue you. What would it look like? Look, here's what I just want to say about this is that people have second guessed a lot of the choices that I made along the way in this case. It's been four years and every time I say, well, there's one right every time I make some aggressive decision about

what I'm going to do with the court, because I've been super aggressive in this case, it always pays off. And people were second guessing when I decided to send a letter to the United States Bankruptcy Court saying that George Soros is controlling all of this. Nobody second guessing me now that I file documents with the Bankruptcy Court saying that George Soros is controlling all of this. And if you fuck around, you're going to have to paste throughout the George Soros. That was a that was a very aggressive card for me to play.

And not something they teach you in law school. So I just I just want to pat myself on the back a little bit of, I mean, like, like, look, I don't mean to be this mischievous, but this man is literally, I think at this point, believing that they're or not believing, but wanting his audience to believe there is a collusion between the United States Department of Justice, my office, people I know, George Soros, everybody to threaten the United States Bankruptcy Judge to make him not have a bankruptcy when it's actually the attorneys for his own company who are like,

hey, bankruptcy is over. Thank gosh, we're getting out of here. But it's that is actually exactly what he thinks. Yes, or no, that's exactly. Yeah, he does believe that there is a level of coordination that is almost comical between you and almost Soros. Yeah. Also, just to update on this, there's about 2300 DA's in the entire country, so Alex Soros runs half of them.

And that's amazing, especially considering that if there's a number of states where the DA's aren't elected, so Soros would have to be like able to control state commissions and governors and it's a mess. You know, the problem I have with this is that this the most unreasonable thing about this is that somebody would be such a good administrator that they would be capable of doing that would be outrageous. I mean, I would almost want somebody who is capable of pulling that organization to be in power.

What, is Soros use a sauna? I mean, it's so good. His QuickBooks Mastery is amazing. Yeah, I mean, I'm guessing I'm guessing if I'm just going to be trying to like charitably figure out where this is coming from kind of thing. I would guess that this is some sort of calculation based on the number of DA candidates who receive some sort of donation from some group that in some way has money from Soros.

That's very generous, something like that. Like maybe some because this is how usually bullshit on infowars works, right? It's like usually like some blog, like a Breitbart blog or something. We'll try to compile the number of people who've gotten a $200 from Progress for America or or Americans for Civil Justice or something like that. And it's like, oh, well, that's tied to Soros money. So then you here's the list of DA's and somebody at Infowars will see that. And then the story will become George Soros runs these DA's, right?

Like it'll be something like that. Kit Daniels writes a hot headline, right? Something exactly like that. And because, because, hey, Alex told me to write this headline. George Soros runs these DA's offices. But in this case, what's weird about these comments that he's making is it seems like he's seen something. He's seen some document or set of documents or some filing or pleading

that has made his his brain. Like I'm going to be honest with you, he always seems like this. Yeah, this is regular ass shit. This is not exciting at all. This is very boring. There's nothing behind it. He's riffing his ass off. I understand that you're, you know, you're looking for connections, man.

You're somewhat personally involved in the story that Alex is telling. So that probably makes things different, right? Because then that's, it just makes it funny because I just want to know what document it is because I guarantee you it's going to be hilarious. What document made him loses, loses marbles over this. And I just don't know what it is yet. This may be the kind of thing that ends up driving you crazy because I would bet dollars to donuts.

There is no document. Yeah. I would bet you documents to donuts. I can tell you this. You remind me a lot of Dan in the early days. You know, there's got to be something there. I bet if I search hard enough, I'll find this document. He used to get so excited.

You know, the joy in his voice was palpable. And over the years, he's realized that literally every time it's going to be a rug pole, Lucy's going to pull that fucking football away and down you go. So I'm going back to the 2003 trying to chase. Chase that high again. Yeah. I think that your theory, Mark, is interesting that it's like some sort of a misrepresentation of things, but I think it's even simpler.

I think it's just that Jose Garza is the Travis County DA. And he, when he was running in the last election cycle, did get some donations from Soros Align. Sure. So I think it's just that. It's just that. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, see, that's the sound. That's the tone of voice. Like what it seemed to me, too, is that, is that the extremely routine action of a United States trustee for a bankruptcy proceeding, filing a recommendation with the court, yay or nay, that that extremely routine action absolutely fried Jones's circuits. Because I use something about that. Come on, man.

Come on, you're saying it's totally routine. I actually have some information here that might put this in a different context. Okay. It's just unbelievable and makes me proud of who I am. It makes me really, really proud of all of you. So I'm going to wait till the lawyers are ready to green light it. But I already told you part one of it a couple of weeks ago. And the lawyer said, don't get into much detail.

Just if you want to mention it, mention it. But I said, the Justice Department called up the federal court and the trustees in our limited bankruptcy. And said, the head of the Justice Department and the president as policy says, you must kick out his bankruptcy and this is basically an order. It is the policy of the U.S. government like I was a foreign country because the executive can only do that with foreign countries.

They can't do it with a citizen. Yeah, doesn't sound so routine now, does it? Yeah. Yeah. Biden's involved. Biden called up Soros. He called Maryland on behalf of Soros. Right, right, right.

Naturally. And was like, hey, man, we got to get this shit done. OK, because only the executive can do this. All right. It started when all the way up the flagpole and then all the way back down again. It literally goes all the way to the top. It does. Well, I mean, the top of America.

So I don't know, like, let me break it down as simple as possible. What what the United States trustee for this region of Texas did so that you can understand what he did so you can understand what we're talking about here. Infowars LLC and the other entities that are on paper filed a bankruptcy petition for a small business bankruptcy saying, hey, we want to use a bankruptcy for businesses that conduct a little business, but not a ton of business is basically this category. And then after they did it, the United States filed what's called schedules.

Schedules show what the entities hold, what business they do, what the revenue is, what they actually have. And the schedules they filed said, we ain't got squat. We don't have anything. We have no assets, zero. We got nothing. We don't do business. And they've always said we don't do business.

And then the United States trustee follows the brief goes, I'm not sure that this this bankruptcy is appropriate for sub chapter five because they don't appear to do any business because they said they didn't do any business. So we're not sure this is appropriate. I don't appreciate their accommodating tone. The answer is to fuck you. Well, what I don't appreciate is Mark leaving out the step where Biden gets involved. Yeah, that's true.

Right. That's true. Exactly. Right. Right. But I mean, I mean, that's that's the that's the thing here is that is that it's it's it's revealing to me to to I hear what y'all are saying when y'all think that Jones thinks in his mind there's these labyrinthine conspiracies and he's

all of this. I still to this day believe that Jones just thinks that any time he can take something and twist it to make it that he's a persecuted victim of some sort of US government conspiracy, he'll do it. And I think he knows damn well that this was a a a a a stunt where they try to do a double backflip and land it on their face. I think that he knows. Yeah, 100% I think I agree with that.

And it's and it's it's so sick to me to that he is absolutely priming up that audience. I mean, I'm the more I hear it right now, like I'm just he knows what's coming. He knows that there's going to be a public trial. And like so what's his one last option left? Like start this crap and it's going to get worse as to it's funny because like the last option seemed to be like this bankruptcy Hail Mary. And then it turns out, haha, no, now I'm being screwed out of my own bankruptcy.

Yeah, it's like there's always another hat that he's got to put on. It's it's pretty I mean, if it wasn't so annoying and evil, I think it would be pretty remarkable. Yeah, I you know, he does say he needs to get a green light from his lawyers. So I definitely want to encourage that to happen. Go ahead, give the Greek give the green light guys, whatever the hell it is. Like I'd like, well, I finally got that million dollars to pay that bounty on a judge that I called for last time.

So I got the green light from my lawyers bounty was on Chris. Maddie lawyer. No, I'm not exactly. Yeah, though. I mean, like here's the thing, though. Is Jones's is on notice. He knows that the FBI had to get involved because there were people making threats against the judge in Connecticut on on his website.

He knew that and that's been in orders of the court. He's known about down here in Texas. There have been people making threats online about the judge. And we we've had conversations with the courts about that. Like he absolutely knows the environment that he's created. And that's to me. Look, of course, Jones is going to do that. I'm 100 percent.

I know that's going to happen. But but the more I hear these kind of things, the more I just cannot stand the kind of attorneys who would stand by and let this happen. I think you have to you have to look at this from a different perspective. And that is that Alex is a job creator. No. A lot of these FBI agents were having to provide security for these judges. Right.

You know, now they get a paycheck. Do you want them out on the street, protecting like the the houseless? No, of course not. You want them rich and powerful people. This wasn't a good attempt on my part to try and make a joke. I recognize that. Look, it is the truth. It isn't because because when you're a Texas state judge,

look, you've got the bailiffs in that building. That's that's who protects you. If you've got credible, actionable intelligence against you, you've got the Texas Rangers to go investigate something that. And that's it. There's there's nobody coming to protect you. And in this particular courthouse, because they're kind of in an older courthouse, there is no secure way to enter the building, right?

Like, and this is they all know that this has all been discussed, right? And the more that Jones creates the impression that the entire not just look, if he wants to say that I am like, you know, involved in some sort of Bohemian Grove conspiracy of George Soros, I don't care. I don't just keep whatever. But the fact that he keeps directing it at these courts, because what I think I'm hearing him say in these clips is that a US bankruptcy judge is in on this conspiracy and like, fuck you.

That's the last person in the world. You can actually get in on the conspiracy. That is a that's just insane. I mean, if you want to look at the points of this conspiracy, we got Soros, we got Biden, we got Merrick Garland in the entire DOJ. Yeah, we got the bankruptcy judge. We have the US trustee. We have Mark, we have the lawyer.

It's pretty much I mean, what's great about it showed up. What's great about it? Once again, not us. We're not mentioned anywhere. Just left out of it. We would play into the conspiracy. So far as he got damn it, we know you. Oh, well, well, what are you going to do?

One day we'll get mentioned. I hope so. Someday. Not doubt it. Not. So Alex does mention the trustee letter. And that's this is this next clip is one of the reasons why I kind of think that that's mostly the document that he's talking about.

I'll see what you all think. And so I said that on air. We have the documents, everything. Now I'm going to do a whole report on it soon and build it up because it's huge national news, international news. And then this new thing, I have the name of the law firms, the documents, Soros, the money, everything. And we're just going to really put it together in powerful articles

and reports and put it out very, very soon. So soon. But if you want to see what I was someone earlier, just type in Justice Department opposes Alex Jones's bankruptcy. You ever heard of a Justice Department? Getting involved in my access to the federal courts. Yeah, I have. Because I can't find all these show trials and all these lawsuits anymore.

So I say, OK, we'll do an emergency reorganization. That's not what you did. That shows you how scared they are. You're not scared. Proud. You're not scared. So scared. I hear your fear.

That's what I hear from you. Yeah. Yeah, I like the pretending that his bankruptcy attempt was sincere, though, in the right. Yeah, it's just a reorganization of his business. Exactly. I mean, no, the problem is his conclusion here, though, is that he should be able to reach the other conclusion of that as well, which is when you ask the question, have you ever seen the Justice

Department intervening in a bankruptcy trial? The answer is that's how much of an asshole you are. Sure. And I don't I don't know that the answer is no. Because the US trustees part of the Department of Justice. Isn't that their job? I mean, look, yeah, he kind of has an independent service to that bankruptcy court, which is to to act as a a neutral third party observer whose only duty is to the bankruptcy code itself.

Right. And so he's not like it's interesting. He's not like the solicitor general at the Supreme Court, right? Who is there to argue the government's position policy wise as to a certain outcome of a decision. He is there to try to argue what the government's position is as if he was representing the bankruptcy code itself. And and to to make recommendations as to whether I mean, he he's almost like a briefing attorney for the court itself.

Hey, I'm we have a lot of expertise in the bankruptcy code. We're going to try to give our neutral position on what the bankruptcy code says. It it it it it it. There's no doubt that the position that the US trustee took in this case was aggressive for the US trustee's normal position. Because again, that's how much of an asshole he is. You're right, because this bankruptcy was a sham from the start. But look, the problem is, is that everybody kind of the reality is

is why I say bankruptcy is stupid is everybody kind of knew that everybody knew that the the point of the bankruptcy was stupid. The that's not what it was actually for. And this isn't frowned upon. This isn't frowned upon in the bankruptcy world. What this was was a stop of all the trials. And if it hadn't been done on the absolute evil trial, it might not have even been that dirty.

But to stop all the trials and then basically have a settlement offer that is almost a compel that everybody has to stop, take a breath and look at it and see if you're going to accept it. And the way they do that is trap you in that bankruptcy court for a little while for a couple of weeks, couple, maybe even a couple of months, depending on how much discovery gets to be done. But the problem here is that they did that. And then their plan funding agreement was absolutely ridiculous.

They basically wanted every one of these plaintiffs on all of the cases to walk away with a couple hundred thousand dollars. And to do that on the on the assurance that Jones would in the future continue to contribute funds to a bankruptcy settlement over the year, which means basically like you've got to let Jones go out there and be a proto fascist madman and let him make money so he can give it to you in the future. Well, at the same time, look, here's the problem with all of this.

We know we know for a fact that there is twenty five million dollars that Jones has sitting in a family trust. We know for a fact that there is PQPR, who it now claims 50 free speech RTOs, fifty three million dollars to and has been collecting all sorts of money, been paying it $11,000 a month for all this damn time. Like we there is there is a person who has all of this money and doesn't want to expose it to a federal bankruptcy court,

doesn't want to go into proceedings and wanted to make that offer. And when that fell apart, everybody knew from the start it was done. But yeah, they got to disrupt their trial and then who the hell knows what comes next. But none of this, absolutely none of this had to do with some sort of nefarious play in the bankruptcy quarter, even Jones losing. This was a, hey, will you take this? Oh, no, I guess we're done.

That's it. That's the whole damn thing. And have Jones spending this like it's a you know, part of this whole coordinated thing that I don't know. He's been real apocalyptic recently between this and the Roger Stone thing. Think of that. You know, he's apocalyptic on some days and when he gets a million in Bitcoin, a little less. He's usually nicer. Yeah.

Yeah, his mood brightens a little bit. It's a million dollars randomly from a mysterious anonymous donor. It's a nice day. Yeah. That was me. I just want to be up front. That was me. I transferred that money to his wallet. I just play in both sides of the game as you want to mark things out. You know, I just thought this was a little high. Again, I look, I smelled it coming.

I knew crypto was about to crash. I just wanted to offload the shit out of it. I get a tax write off actually, so it's all really good. Again, this is a bold move. They don't teach at law school. Another one. Yeah. Give Jones all your Bitcoin and then crash. So just to be again up front, I actually made a call

to George Soros and asked him to make Bitcoin crash. And he said, yes, so that's why we're in the situational room. So the the in that clip there, the the money said like the DOJ opposes the bankruptcy. That's what I was talking about earlier. That is an article about the trustee. Right. Right. That's why I came to know here's the deal is he says the new stuff.

Right. He talks about this bankruptcy. There is a new stuff that there's law firms, Dan. There's law firms and he's got the names. There's going to be powerful articles. We see how that shit works. Kit Daniels is already tapping away on it, which is interesting because he used to say if you can't get an article out in 24 hours, there's no point in writing it.

That was his right. That was in the deposition. But no, they're working here. I've always ever since you've had that episode and suddenly it hit me like a lightning bolt while listening to your thing on that of like saying, no, you can't the shooting. By that point, you're talking about following up on a story. It's like seven days old.

Nobody cares about a seven day old shooting. I'm like, why the hell are you talking about Sandy Hook in 2015? Then 2017. Like none like the excuse that they used for that was so hysterical to me. But the idea that right now there is somebody in infor's having to tap out a story about what this big thing I I hope it comes out. I don't know what I mean. Like, again, I'm up two minds on one hand.

I'm hoping it comes out because I know it's still a buddy. Second, I don't think it's people. So buddy, I hate to say this to you. You're not going to be happy. There's so many sour grapes over the course of this podcast. I can't imagine this being satisfying in any way. But we do wish you the best. And tell them there won't be a season two of Firefly.

Come on. I know you're going to do it. So we're going to jump off the lawsuit situation for this next clip. This is this is a fun clip where Alex comes in from break. And he also wishes everyone a happy Mother's Day. Newtonian physics teaches us that for every action. There is an equal and opposite reaction. Is that what teaches us?

Just evil in the universe. There is good. And I am extremely blessed and honored to be with this amazing crew and all the viewers and listeners tonight on Mother's Day in defense of the human family and our attempt to carry out God's will. Yeah, I would love that music behind like he's like talking about Newtonian physics. I would just love that that was behind me.

I'd be like, so Catoa tells us that the sign of a triangle is equal to the opposite over the hypotenuse. Oh, Archimedes says, if you get in a bath, stuff will happen. Yeah, just nice science lessons about physics and stuff over a hot beat. It'll be great. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Here it is. Like, I know you'll probably heard that Alex Jones folk music remix

and all of that where he's doing the folk song. And they do have complex feelings about that. I don't know. Is anybody ever said that to us? Yeah, I'm telling you right now. Um, um, listening, listening to Alex Jones over Daft Punk is creepy as shit. God, that's dystopian. That is weird. And even he's talking about Mother's Day over Daft Punk Tron soundtrack. And I'm like, I don't know everything about that's creepy.

I appreciate that you can pick out what that is, because I can never tell. I can never tell what most of his music is. I just don't have as good of a sort of brolodex in my head. But it's not 90s hip hop from St. Louis. That makes multiple songs from the Tron to soundtrack that he uses as bumper music. So that's fun. Look, I'm telling you that that that soundtrack is is astonishing. I mean, I'm a Daft Punk fan and I just want to take a detour for a second

to say that like every Daft Punk album is his own thing, but that's a fucking music score. God, damn, that thing is good. I have an I'll admit I'll out myself on more than one occasion played that entire soundtrack to tap out a brief or some shit. That is some excellent focused mind music. But then to hear Alex Jones perverting it in that. So no, perverting the beauty. He really did sound track.

You will never listen to the Tron soundtrack again. I think about Newtonian physics. You know, I've watched a lot of Owen Schroer clips over the years, and I've noticed he's really partial to Imagine Dragons, which totally tracks 100 percent tracks for Owen Schroer. But it's nice. Jones, it's weird how you can actually chart the departure of different key crew members by how the sound track is really funny.

And when he was like fully in control, it was like a bunch of this old country, like Amarillo by Morning. Oh, yeah, we used to listen to the Highwaymen every day. During the 2015 investigation, it was nonstop. Yeah. And also Harrison, Harrison Smith on The American Journal. He plays some wild music. Yeah, right at the Valkyries. He's a big Wagner guy.

No, no, less that there's more like a lot of shockingly modern kind of stuff. It's very bizarre. So this next clip, Alex gets into talking about abortion rallies and how he goes and he sees demons at them. Sure, which we know. Yes. He is not changing his tune now that this Supreme Court decision opinion has been leaked. I first, 25 years ago, have a friend named George Woolley,

who's a big pro-life Catholic activist. And he said, why don't you just not criticize abortion on air? Why don't you come out and see it for yourself? So I went out to play a pair and probably 15 times or so. None of more than that since then. And people would walk up and say, second, we'll get the children off camera and sometimes on camera. And I'm going to have black people walk up to me, particularly.

Even black people worked around there. They'd say, nobody wants these black babies. You going to take some? We don't get rid of these bad people. How about Uncle Tom's of the death they were in? And then over the years, I'm talking to ourselves. I'm saying hundreds, thousands of times. Hell, Owen caught it hundreds of times.

The three hour report he put out just yesterday. Yes, apparently, Owen was out at a rally, a pro-choice rally. Right. And he caught hundreds of instances of people being demons and hissing about how no one wants black babies and carrying books by Harriet Beecher Stowe around, apparently. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I feel like if if this stuff was really accurate in any way, which I don't think it is, I'll just be clear about that.

If it was, Alex would not have the exact same examples for 20 fucking years on the show. Yeah, that's a little bit, yeah. There would be new stories that aren't exactly the same as the ones he was telling in like 2005 or 2006. They haven't changed up their tactic, Stevens. That's the problem with true. Yeah, it's a very old school.

Yeah, I mean, they've been around for several thousand years. I wouldn't be surprised if there's like it will happen from time to time that that some either either person going into Planned Parenthood or defending Planned Parenthood from counter protesters from religious fundamentalists will troll them by like throwing up about like Gene Simmons tongue. Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally. Like that's what happened. But the way that it was described by Jones in this clip is like,

I don't know, the pathology of like his his interior fantasy mind is an interesting place. It is a terrifying place, but it is an interesting place. It is. Yeah, I've never seen somebody who reveals themselves on their sleeve so much. It's it's it's fascinating. It's really hard to tell how much of it is sincere and it is like his perceptual distortions of like the things that he's taking in is stimulus

and how much of it is kind of just like storytelling and like lying. Like he usually does is a regular old line. Yeah, I don't know how much of it is like dramatization of stuff that he's doing intentionally and how much is like, you know what? OK, this is Beeman's hissing at him. I feel like I've had an epiphany about Jones recently. So like, queue up the holy angelic music or whatever. But like, I feel like I want to put it.

Yeah, Sean Sontrak's track to go and put that on the grid. I feel like I've always struggled with this idea of first it was this Jones. Believe what he said. Does he not believe what he say? Does he ever what it's the package of this is Jones figured out there's a there's a basic rough approximation and that if you if you contain in whatever you're talking about about at least about 25 percent of the truth, you're free to run as wild as you fucking want.

As long as you've got that core nugget of 25 percent truthfulness, some sort of thing in anchor that you can anchor all the bullshit onto. You can fly that kite as fucking far as you want with no accountability. But the moment you lose that 25 percent of fucking core truth, you are toast. And that is Sandy Hook. That is the lesson he learned. And unfortunately, that's why why just learning that lesson will never stop him.

He has to be forcibly stopped because he learned the lesson that if you go that far into bullshit, if you're that easily toppled as a house of cards, you're going to get into trouble. But if you always have my body, body, body, body. If you think he learned anything, you're going to be disappointed. I think that I might agree with Jordan about, but I also, I think that conceptually, I agree with you that, like, you have to have some anchor to reality and then you can just run wild with nonsense.

But what I would disagree with is 25 percent number. That seems very generous. Yeah, that is generous. It reminds me of the Daniels deposition when when Bill asked him to rate his article on the scale of one to 10, and he's like, I think a two. And Bill's like, really a two. You got it and kids like, yeah, no, there were some mistakes in it. So I think it builds like, no, you got two, two.

Like they have an overestimation of where they're and I do think you're right. Maybe that number is like at about five. Yeah, I think so. If you you find a news article that has one thing and then and then that gives you the tether to which might even just be the appearance of five percent. Yeah, I'd even be a hard five percent. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think he has learned his lesson as much as we would like to think.

I think I think that maybe some of the lessons are there. I think it's probably not devoid of lessons. Right. But I think well, these clips we're listening to would lead me to suggest that maybe no, he has not. So just maybe don't say defamatory things about non public persons. Maybe that's the lesson that I'm here is what I will say, Mark. Here's something that I think you will be very happy about is I put it at

probably an 80 percent chance that he implies Sandy Hook did not happen at the trial. So you did the deposition, he's going to do it again. So he applied. It was a hoax twice twice to the deposition. It's going to be even better on the stand. See, no, that's the wonderful thing. And I think a lot of people don't get that about depositions, right? Is they just think it's like, oh, it's just like testimony at trial.

But it's in a deposition. No, and we've done a lot of strange things in deposition. And it's because that testimony is never to be played at trial. When it's the defendant themselves, right? You're not playing that testimony, but it locks him the fuck in. So so you're right. He has to either one way bite that or not. Either he has to come to trial and say, yeah, there's still I.

Yes. And he had questions or I've locked you in. What you're testifying now is not what you just testified to that. Sandy, you know, like you're you're kind of fucked at that point. You're locked into it. You know, he's going to do that. He has to argue that there are still anomalies. Yes, yep, totally.

He's going to be he's going to be like, did you listen? OK, Cooper's nose. And then it's just going to fall apart. There's going to be balloons that fall from the ceiling. People are going to be popping poppers like he did it. Yeah, you're you're still acting under this assumption in this world where Alex Jones is going to show up to his trial and testify. And those are two assumptions, one after another, that I'm not sure.

And he's just waiting for his day to clear his name in an open court. Once he's there, because I keep hearing this of like, oh, they're just afraid for the evidence to really come out. What evidence are you fucking talking about? We're going to be like, oh, you're going to suddenly blow the lid off. Sandy, oh, 10 years later, like, fuck you. Like, what are you literally talking about? Soros is really afraid.

Yeah, I honestly think one of the big reasons they pulled this bankruptcy something stopped this trial is because they were all just staring around at each other like the moment is finally here and had no fucking idea what they were going to do in that courtroom, none. And so they were like, well, we can do this. That buys us another little time to figure out what to do a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Well, getting back to our episode, because we're going to we have,

as you probably know, Mark, already, and I'll spoil this for Jordan, we got Bobby Barnes coming up in a little bit. Oh, shit. So we'll talk more about the actual case, but we have to skip aside a little bit because Alex was talking about the abortion protest. Yes. And that was kind of some of his way of talking about some some of his religiosity, sure, certainly, sure.

And he says this and I think that this is actually a kind of a rebuttal of his notion that he's kind of tolerant about people who have different religious ideas, sure, than him. And so you don't want to be turned into these creatures. You don't want to deny the connection of the infinite. Because when you deny God's spirit and God's open hand, you then accept by choice all that rejected God. And that's not a spiritual group you want to be associated with.

You do not want to be with that. You want to say no and you want to take God. Yeah. So if you, you know, if you don't agree to join up with God as Alex defines it, you have chosen by by by will to be a part of demons. Yeah, if you don't join up with Alex's specific brand of lunatic Christianity, then you accept responsibility for every other problem that's ever happened. It certainly doesn't paint a good light in terms of like being able to live in

a pluralistic society where people have different religious beliefs. Seems like you would be defining every other religion as being a rejection of God. Sure. No, I mean, yes, you do walk by, say, a mosque in your city and you claim that all that goes on in there is demonic worship. But that doesn't mean you can't hang out with them. I think Alex is a short jump away from not hanging out with them. I think he might be a short jump away. You're you're probably right on that one.

That's not good. Yeah, that's trouble. I don't want to be critical, but I've never heard two guys sitting around talking more revealing themselves as being out of touch with the doors of the infinite. Just like Mr. Jones is talking about. That's true. That's true. I was I was successful in the courts of heaven. It was it was brutal. Alex, that's my hang up with any cult leader is like you're acting.

You're out here acting like I ain't messing around with the the infinite and the doors of perception. Like, you know what? Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about, Alex. Like, like the idea of here is like because this shit actually flows off the tongue from Rogan, right? Back when Rogan was in his prime and he was he was really like being an utter freak and I like because that's what's so strange about Jones's new televangelism term is that it seems to combine a bunch of like new age

doors of perception BS with a lot of like the high place of the kingdom of heaven. Like he's basically equating his own religious thing with Joe Rogan doing DMT or some stuff. Like it is really weird to me to hear this shit from Jones. It's almost like a Christian identity Zealot read a bunch of science fiction novels when he was a kid and he thinks they're real. Yeah, that sounds all right. Yeah, I mean, look, everybody's been telling me that if this man gets chased off

the media, he's going to make a hard right turn into El Ron Hubbard. I'm like, look, he's already had that kind of gig. He's already been heading that direction for years. I don't I don't know how different that would be. Honestly, I mean, it looks like. Yeah, exactly. So in this next clip, we get an update on some media. I don't know if you are somebody who keeps up with

former members cast members of Saturday Night Live. Sure. Which ones? Mike Meyers, Mike Meyers. No, I don't really keep up with him. I'm more of a leg or a leg horn. I'm an Ellen Clay. I thought you were going to say a Foghorn Leghorn. Foghorn Leghorn guy.

I know what he's about to talk about. And I caught that on Netflix. My wife and I watched that the other night for the first time. And he did a bunch of characters and I'm going to tell you. The show in the hole wasn't great. But God damn, that couple of minutes was something else. So I'm excited to hear what Alex's reaction is to that. I'm I'm excited to hear your review after this clip.

Mike Meyers has got a new movie out and it's also on Netflix. I got a bunch of calls about it called the Pintabra making fun of the Illuminati. He attacks me quite a bit in the movie. And I thought we would just show how desperate these folks are. So they're real desperate. Absolutely. He plays a clip of it. And, you know, it's Mike Meyers playing this.

This Alex Jonesy character. Before we go into that, when he says the folks are so desperate, is he talking about Mike Meyers and the cast of and the crew and the producers of that show? Is he talking about George Soros? He's talking about both of us. Oh, under George Soros. Like it's all of us together. You bet. I'm getting credit here for this show. I just want to be.

Yeah, you're part of the conspiracy that now involves Mike Meyers. Yeah, absolutely. If I had any hand in getting the show made, that's man, it's cool. It's a funny show for a check. If I'm in an evil conspiracy and Mike Meyers shows up, I'm like, oh, fuck, it's the wrong Mike Meyers. I was looking for the I was looking for the one with the sword and shit. If Mike Meyers shows up and we're doing some sort of a various plan,

I would say, get in my conspiracy. Well, I mean, we had a good run on this show. Yeah, I think we did it. So I'm glad that you've watched this, Mark, because I haven't. And my thought when I heard this, this clip was like, I study this kind of stuff. And I didn't even know this existed. Yeah, like I don't know if this is the big broadside attack that Alex thinks it is. And I think that it's more just that he's really easy to make fun of.

Yeah, it's flattering. If you think about it, it's like it's acknowledgement of his cultural icon status. I mean, it's obviously pejorative, but on some level, like any, any sane sort of like, like if this is Tucker Carlson, he loves it. He laughs it off on his show, but not Joe. This is an attack by the judge. So I'm not. Yeah, like this and like J Jonah Jameson and the Spider-Man, like it is.

Yeah, exactly. There's a recognition of like how he is that translates to people. Like they get this as a thing. Yeah, very clearly. He fucking hates this stuff, though. I don't know if you remember during all my depositions, he used to just obsess about homeland to show nobody even watches anymore. And then his homeland characters,

Joe Jones, it was some really broad, bad imitate, but he was obsessed. This is some deep state thing to demonize. Like nobody fucking cares. This is some dumb ass writer in California who's like, let's put an Alex Jones character on there. But it's not complicated. I think that he was obsessed with that for a little while. Yeah, and it's it's it's flattering.

Come on, like I think he claims that he's the basis of the X files. He is both X files and files. Oh, wonderful. So as promised earlier, we have an old buddy showing up. It's someone I believe, Mark, you've actually been in a room with that, of course, is Bob Barnes. Good work, Barnes himself.

I'm going to be in there. I mean, like, look, my my my my universe has not stopped crossing with Bob Barnes. I'll be in the room with him in the future shortly. So please give him our best. He is it's interesting because he is he departed off of this case in a hurry. He skedaddled really quick once he got in some hot water. But it's it's funny because somehow he became back in Jones's graces. Despite the fact that Jones's corporate representative

testified that they're considering suing Barnes for malpractice along with Mark Randon said it's like, I don't think Barnes knows this. So maybe I'm telling tells out of school. Nobody go and tell Bob Barnes can be found at Barnes LLP.com. I'm pretty sure. But like, don't go tell him that like they're threatening to sue him for malpractice while he's being on the show.

And in fact, what's funny is if you look at the Info Wars LLC bankruptcy assets that they claim, one of the few assets that they do claim they have is a potential malpractice claim that, hey, we might get money in the future because we might sue our lawyers for how badly they bungled this case. And it's funny because so Barnes got the hell out. And I think he thought he was free with me. But the interesting part is, is I got involved in the case where where Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller had done a years long

defamation smear scheme against some some Pakistani IT workers in the house. Basically trying to frame them. This is the sea hack. This is the Iran. The the Wasserman Schultz. Is that? Yes, the Washington Schultz. And what's so funny about this is unless you're like a following fan of this show or like a hardcore end of following right wing conspiracy stuff,

you don't know who Imran R1 is. You have no idea who that is. But if you follow like right wing media, if you got right wing Twitter accounts, you got Dan Bejingo, Ben Shapiro, all that, you know exactly who that is. You know, a hundred percent of that a while back, too. Yeah, that was interesting. He was I think he was a little careful on that, partially because at that time, the the people who were pushing like

Regnery Publishing and Salem and and Daily Caller and some of the people who were pushing reporting by a guy named Luke Rosiak. We're trying to be a little more of the high brow, high class info wars. And they were a little bit in conflict with each other. They didn't run in quite the same circles. So they didn't want to jump war. Yeah, it was a very pretentious info wars. So I got involved in that case.

We sued Daily Caller, we sued Salem and Regnery, and then we also sued the reporter, this guy who wrote this book about them and did all the reporting. This guy's named Luke Rosiak. Well, Daily Caller actually kind of at that point had soured on Rosiak or something. They didn't want to represent him or for whatever reason. And so surprise, surprise when I get a notice of appearance from old Bobby Barnes, representing Luke Rosiak in this case. And we just defeated defeated the anti-slap motion in that case.

So we're about to start taking discovery. So in a very short timeline, I'm going to be back in a room with Bob again. Could you say could you say good work, Barnes, to him and see if his eyes go sad? Oh, boy, it's Bill and him are the really the ones who really got into it in deposition and use that as a real good strategy. Because Barnes was there to look good. He was there for publicity. You take that away from his motivations in the case evaporate.

Let me ask you a quick question here about Barnes. In person off Mike, does he ever stop talking? Yes, yes, because on the mic, he will string 30 fucking sentences together without without ever taking a pause now is doing these aggressive breathing. Look, I'm not going to be one who talks shit about that because listen to me on your show. I never shut the fuck up. I just talk and talk and talk and talk. But what's interesting about Barnes is he was so we had a moment where he

he had been saying a bunch of shit about me on air on Info Wars because I just take a Jones deposition, Jones had unsuccessful. He had failed and he neglected to get that sealed. And so I published it online way back in 2019. And everybody was glowing about it at the time and Barnes was pissed as hell. So he got bound on Jones's show and said a bunch of shit about me. And a lot of it was really like arguably could put me in danger. Right. And so I confronted him about it in the courtroom.

I'm like, look, you come in here, you want to play this big show and have a bunch of fun on Info Wars, do what you want. But take my name out your fucking mouth, man. Like George Soros, they fund the suit like me and Kyle funded the suit. Like this is funny money to us. This is not a big thing. Like take us out of this. And he was so demure and he's such a passive kind of shrinking violet in person

until you finally push him long enough and he has a little freak out and he runs out of the courtroom yelling. But it's weird how his personality, he is so conflict of verse person to person. He's like this big. He's like the Kool-Aid man on Info Wars. Like you think he's like, like he's ready to bust through walls and shit. And like, are you telling me that Robert Barnes is a coward who hides behind a TV screen in order to say things that he would never have the courage to say to

somebody's face? That's crazy to me. Well, I look whether he is or not. Yeah, we only have him today behind a TV screen. True. So we may only hear blustery stuff. So we may we may just need to get ourselves in that sort of state of mind, get ourselves ready to deal with Barnes as a blustery blowhard. Right. Are we ready?

I put myself, I'm yeah, mindsets ready. I got mine. Does that mean you belong to the city first? No, OK, we will enter the headspace of Info Wars Barnes. Here's given given him an introduction and we'll see what he wants to discuss as this this interview begins. This is an incredible time in history, Robert Barnes. And I haven't talked to you since earlier today in tech saying that you come on.

And I just said, just please come on, because you can obviously talk about all these issues. You're just like I am and our listeners are you got your head in the game. What do you want to hit on first? What is most important? I think it's a great premiere of the film, 20 2000 mules. I think that details what we talked about all the way back in Atlanta, Georgia in November of 2020. Yeah, so he doesn't actually immediately want to talk about any of Alex's

legal trouble, which you kind of assume is why Alex texted him and is like, I need to think, yeah, no, I want to talk about what the fuck is. What is 20,000 euros? What the fuck is that? It's Dinesh Jesus's new. Oh, just to stop talking. I don't care. It's his new documentary about how they used like geolocation data to prove that

2000 people were responsible for dropping a ton of ballots. Oh, OK. There's all kinds of like really obvious flaws in the way that they're just putting together an argument in Dinesh Jesus's documentary. They're obvious fucking flaws. You wouldn't think he has such a good track record, according to Alex. It would have been a really great documentary if they just put the camera on them, trying to stack 2000 mules on top of each other.

That'd be incredible. Yeah. How would you do that? Would you get bigger platforms? Like, I don't know. The weight would be itself. I'm just like, like, having to walk like being fed Dinesh Jesus's documentary on the recommendation of Alex Jones is the most human caterpillar shit I could possibly imagine like this. Especially considering on from that.

For most of his career, I'm pretty sure Alex would have been staunchly opposed to Dinesh Jesus is like a man just as a matter of course. Yeah. It's like a main line conservative. Strange. Strange. Bedfellows is an understatement for the transformation of that fucking party, man, because there's some weird shit going on. I feel like as soon as you get a pardon from Trump, you're you're in. You know, you got to ask for approval.

Good. OK. So that documentary doesn't want to talk about the legal things. He wants to talk about 20,000 mules. All right. Whatever. At least for now. Yes. So the documentary itself is about sort of manual the manipulation of account manual. Yes. Manipulation. Mule. You will manipulate.

Yes. So it's about people going around and actually physically putting ballots in as opposed to so many of the other Hugo Chavez change in the Dominion machines. Yeah, as opposed to that. And now we know from listening to Alex's show as much as we have since the election, Alex was very big into the electronic voting conspiracy. Oh, totally. It was all electronic. He was funded for a little while by Michael Lendell, who was a giant proponent of he even said at one point,

like we have to have paper ballots in order to maintain the integrity of the elections because of all the election, electric. Yeah. Yeah. Now here's what Alex has to say. Now that Dinesh D'Souza's documentary has come out for me. Let me interrupt you. Which I'm famous for. Let me interrupt you and start over because I didn't know you bring up this new film for those that don't know, tell us where it is,

who made it, what it covers and the fact that Fox is saying they're not going to air it now, even though it's totally documented. And as you said, the electronic scam was the deep state red herring, which you were proven right about when you were all over the country for truck proving it was mules voting multiple times, harvesting the fake ballots, filling them in and entering. That's not been proven. You have been totally vindicated.

We're not putting down other people that wanted to go with the electronic thing and all that BS. Like you're not bad people. Let's just admit they got conned and move on to how they really did it. So Alex, you're admitting you got conned. Let's admit that they got conned. Alex is admitting he got conned, right? No, no, this is genius.

I've seen this develop. This is the new thing. If you're wrong, this has started back in Pizza Gate. It's a honey pot. It's a red herring. You're wrong, but it's only because the deep state tricks you. It's only because they set up some shit to get you. It's not really your fault.

Like you're still on the right track and you're going to miss a few times, right? You're going to miss a thousand times, but for every thousand times, there's a justy small it and you're right just because you're a racist, right? Like there's it's all this shit like you just got fooled. The idea now that Dominion was a fucking honey pot. It's a red herring. My God, just a red herring misdirection. This is the exact same thing that they did with the birth certificate,

with Obama's birth certificate. Like the Kenya thing was a misdirection that they put out in order to get us because they knew that we would be racist and take the bait on that. Right. When the reality is that they were trying to cover up that his dad is Frank Marshall Davis. Yeah. Yeah. Despite the fact that this essentially proves that they are what they say that they're denying. Yeah, exactly.

Like how could you get us on this? Look, Jones isn't the only person who wiped the the Pizza Gate shit off his shoe. By saying the same stuff, right? Like that I was fooled on 4chan. Like it's the same. OK, so now it's paper. OK, paper ballots. So you got to keep the paper ballots out of the hands of the Soros operatives.

I understand. Well, we do need actually paper ballots, though, I guess. But Barnes has a solution that he offers. And that is that you need these paper ballots, but you also need a specific practice to be used. That was what we always said. You need to do a signature match check, because if you did a signature match check, you'd be able to prove that a lot of these ballots were illegal.

And that's why no state to this day has done a signature match check on these ballot. That's absolutely not true. Barnes is just lying out of his ass trying to promote his stupid renewals. Different states have different guidelines, but almost all of them have some sort of signature matching as a part of their vote verification, often done by computer software. According to a 2020 article in The New York Times, 1.4 percent of all mail-in ballots were rejected in the 2018 election because of signature mismatches. Barnes is just straight up lying.

Yeah. And the states that they scream about the most about being stolen in the 2020 election, like Michigan and Arizona, they have signature matching requirements in place already. Barnes is fixing a non-existent problem. I really feel like we've got Pachennik coming down the pipeline and it's going to go right back to him and be like, listen, Alex, they were watermarked. And now we got a double watermark the next ones. Well, I will say that Rogers conspiracy about the North Koreans, the North. Yeah, the North Vietnamese North Korean boats.

Yeah. Coming into Maine is not a Roger Stone believe that there were North Korean boats that ended up in Maine. In Maine. Yeah. Kim Jong-il. Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop. Boats? No, no, no, no. Boats filled with votes. Got you. Got you. Love our beautiful voters, folks.

I can't say anything about about the North Korean voters, the beautiful people. They love voting. I love it. OK, they landed in Maine. That's awesome. And that's where a lot of the the fake votes came from. According to Roger Stone, you guys fucking shit. I was like, did the boats turned into boats? No, no, no.

Full of votes. OK. Let me give you a complete rundown of how the United States election was stolen. OK, what happened was Biden and the Democrats realized they didn't have enough votes, so they knew that contracted the North Koreans who could not fly because there are too many votes to fit in one plane. It would just go right down, right? So they got on boats filled with bags and bags of watermarked ballots, right? Then sailed directly from North Korea to Maine, the United States.

Yeah, and see, I can actually I can clear this up. I see the confusion that's happening here. And then, Mark, Mark, you're thinking that these boats came with people to vote fraudulently, but that is not the case. It was paper, paper, paper, that was in the bag of paper ballots. Why? Why? To steal the election. Because when you look forward, OK, basically, yeah, OK, I'm with you.

I'm with you. OK. Wow. Wow. My point. My point is that that boat theory is not incompatible with the 200 mules, 200 mules, true. I know that's what I'm saying. There's a we're bringing some some back. Yeah, we got to get to Susa on this boat situation. See if he's honest with you.

Like I've spent four years doing those mainly over a sort of like, you know, just mainly on the sand. You hook stuff in a little periphery. I'm just I'm not sure I was ready for tonight. Jesus Christ, North Korean boats. Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a lot of stuff that we have just internalized in this part of our fictional reality. Yeah, freaks out even people who are somewhat into it.

Yeah. So here's where we get back in on to your side. Hold on. Can I stop for a second? I don't mean to prolong. Sure. Like what size boats are we talking? Like are they big boats and little boats like huge like tankers? Like, did they go through the Panama Canal? Like, is that or they were kind of half good at it?

See, this is this is I don't know. You could take the long way. I think, yeah, I would assume they sailed beyond Cape, Cape of Rio. These are like random groups like they're just like this. Ain't like Miami Vice drug smugglers of like fat speedboat. These are like real ass boats, full to the brim with Biden boats. See, this is where it gets a little bit sticky.

Because Roger didn't specify about the size of boats. True. It would assume it would be a big boat. But then you think like North Korea, but it would also be much easier to catch if it was a big boat. True. So maybe it's a fleet of small boats. It's not like a North Korean destroyer going through the Panama Canal. Right. Exactly. I'm just thinking like paddle boat, either.

It's not paddle boat, either. No. I'm just thinking you've got to do small boats. It can be a big one. If that motherfucker gets stuck in the Panama Canal like that one did in the Suez, you're sure fucked. It's got a giant amount of fine boats in it. Everybody's going to find out. Like you just throw them overboard. They melt in the water as paper does.

It's just like you throw a bunch of boats at the problem. You don't put all your your your Biden boats in one basket. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, you don't want to know where there's 2,000 North Korean mules. Put those ballots. That's all I'm telling you right now. If you if there's something special about Maine, is there some sort of idiosyncrasy to Maine Wall that which would allow North Korea to penetrate it with with votes?

I don't think so. I think it was just randomly where Roger decided to say it. I think he just saw a fire starter, maybe. Maybe a big Stephen King guy. If you if you ever get a chance to depose Roger, this will be something you can absolutely believe me. It's been. Yeah. Oh, wow. OK, they have more specifics.

So here here, Mark, is where we get back to your side of the street because we're going to get back into the actual bankruptcy case. And I'm feeling it over my head when it comes to boat votes. I just don't. Yeah, I can't. You don't know about. Yeah, I don't. And I'm swimming in this maritime issues there. I didn't really. I miss some of those days in law school.

I checked the fuck out on those days. Sovereign citizen law covers boats. So here is Alex starting up the conversation with Bobby. I do follow Robert Barnes. I watch his show. He does every few days with another great lawyer. I follow his work. It's always informative. I learn stuff.

But but I saw you get into the Democratic Party funded lawsuits against me and really just exposed what it was a few days ago. And I normally don't spend a lot of time covering what we're going through because listeners know what they're supporting. Rarely. But it's it's a blueprint for the future. And so, you know, I hired some big top law firms for our limited bankruptcy. And right after it started two weeks ago, they called me and they sent me

transcripts and they said, we've never seen this before. We believe in the deep state now. Oh, they believe in the deep state now. Yeah, yeah, there we go. One case for the biggest law firms to just go like, man, deep state's real. And he has pilled these. That is a file. So now you're asking, you know, you want to know what these documents are.

Now we have transcripts being brought up. So I know what transcripts he's talking about. He's talking about transcripts of the bankruptcy hearings, right? Like they've gone down and they've been they've been clown shows, right? Like we just probably a good assumption. But maybe he's talking about a transcript of a phone call, a secret phone call between Biden, no, no, no, we don't make transcripts of those. You don't understand.

Those aren't done by transcript. Like we don't know. They've always done that since Nixon. Nixon didn't choose to record everything. They've been recording since the very beginning. That's the trick. You don't, you know, we all have burner phones. All right.

And like we have to go out in the woods and like we have to like it's a whole big production to even have one of these calls. Like there are no transcripts. I would love it. There was a like, you know, with Nixon, the missing minutes in the tape. Yeah, they have no one. This is just him calling this court. They're like, you've got to fuck over.

Alex, fuck over. Alex Jones, because I'm going to tell you these bankruptcy lawyers, they're not they're they're a different breed that he brought into. They they they get fed their stuff. They go do their thing. They got no real interest or anything in this. The idea that those guys are somehow red pilled now is hysterical to me. That is.

Yeah. That struck me as a little off. It does seem weird to be like, oh, man, I pilled my entire accountants office like, wait, what? I'm sorry. What what? I find that that's kind of unbelievable, because I think generally it's a profession that attracts people who are interested in details.

Yes. And that's what Alex lacks. He doesn't. He's a he's a big fan of the opposite. He's a big picture guy. He's a picture guy. He's not really the problem is not stuff kind of the deal. Look, normally it's difficult to know who he's talking about because,

like, the legal the situation when when Alex Jones says my lawyer, you can throw a dart at a board. You're not sure who knows who the fuck he's talking about, because he's it's all over the place. I think you've got a tonic ideal of a lawyer, you know, like my lawyer as you know, it's a neck to keep because I can guarantee you. Look, these these top law firms would know that it's like whatever you hired for the bankruptcy.

These guys, Rubio and Lee, like they're not they're not believing in a deep state. They're they're they're doing their job. I mean, I and when I say their job, I don't I need to be a little more pejorative about that. They're a bankruptcy lawyer. So they basically exist to like suck the blood off of dying things. Like that's been a bankruptcy lawyer.

Need all bones. What you've got to understand is that if Jones's plan or whatever this bankruptcy plan would work, hey, let's give some money to the plaintiffs. Well, the bankruptcy lawyers who made that happen would get some of that. They would they would bleed some of that off. And that's what they're there to do. And the moment they don't have that, they got no real interest in that. And the trustee of the company has always all he cares about is the

the piece of paper that says in for ourselves. You know, none of these people care. These people are red pilled. They don't care. And it's not. I don't know. It's Norm Patis, but Norm Patis has been awfully silent ever since he did that stand up routine.

That was a hilarious stand up. And he was killing. Wow. I don't. Did we talk about that on the show? I don't think we did beyond to sit and note that it happened. It was bad. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I feel like that that is a good point. Yeah, less less less. You've got a guy now. You've got a new guy. You've got Aldino Reynault. And that that guy is apparently running the ship right now. So if he's the guy who's red pilled, I guess he's the guy who's red pilled. But like what this is the former US Department of Justice guy.

Yeah, the holder guy. Yeah, the holder guy's right now. No, no, no. Fuck, he's checked out, too. He was in the Department of Justice. He didn't see any of the deep state. No, no, no, no, no, he's open his eyes. No, look, I just I know of anybody I can be confident like all these other people.

Maybe they're Robert Barnes, that motherfucker's red pill. And I can't wait to hear what he's got to say because he's true. He understands what's going on. Well, we have to get back into this, which Mark, you've already said you don't believe this, but I got to say, Alex has said it twice. So it's probably true. We've had the Justice Department call and say the Biden administration says you're not allowed to support him.

Biden administration called the judge's lawyer and they called the the what? The trustees lawyers were retired. The former bankruptcy judge of Austin and Schmidt. And said it's policy in the US government, like I'm Russia, that he doesn't have access to courts. So that blew him away. And that actually blew him up. I woke him up, blew him away.

So, yeah, the Biden administration called the lawyer of the judge. Yeah, the judge's lawyer, Schmidt. Yeah, who's no, no, no, no, no, hold on. Back up here, because he said two things and the second one really is freaky. Because the first one, he said, like, let me make this really clear. There is a judge over the bankruptcy proceeding. And that's that's Judge Lopez and whose impartiality cannot reasonably be questioned because he has no control over his behavior.

He runs this court now he wants to every everybody who deals in federal court knows that when you go into a federal court, it's like going into a lion cage. Like that, that lion could devour you if it wants to. It's that it's good. Like it is what a great system. It's honestly like the bankruptcy court's the only place I'd be afraid. Look, I ain't even in that court. I'm not in the professionals deal with that shit.

I ain't walking into a goddamn lion cage. Fuck that. They can deal with that. The so that's that. So he's saying that guy has been threatened when he's talking about Schmidt. He's talking about somebody very different. He is talking about a retired US bankruptcy judge who they recruited, who who the bankruptcy law firms recruited into being a trustee for Info Wars, LLC for being and I'm not exactly sure what his position is,

but that's a guy who is like an insider now to Info Wars, LLC. And he's there to make sure everything's kosher and there's no whatever. And now Jones is on air saying that that guy has gotten a call from what? The Biden administration is already says crazy shit like that. I think that's how I track that support him like. Yikes. I mean, look, all I'll say for Jones is saying this stuff. He better be glad this bankruptcy is over because that is. Wow. It seems.

And it seems unwise to use a name to there. Yeah, when it was really unnecessary, I could have just not used a name. Look, and I don't know anything about former judge Schmidt. I'm going to assume that he's a very righteous, upstanding guy or you wouldn't be able to work based on what you've described. Judges, that's no way. Fuck, look, they were all like every judge. Fuck judges. No, no, no.

No, look here, Jordan. Here's the deal is that all these guys were snookered into a situation of, hey, Jones has a way that he wants to try to make things right with the Sandy Hook parents. Let's see if we can make it happen and be the heroes and avoid a lot of acrimony and avoid a lot of trial. They were fed a bull, a bill, like a load of bullshit, and they haven't been dealing with it for four years. They don't fucking know.

And the moment that everybody started to realize it was bullshit, this whole thing is dead in the water anyway. So I'd say in some ways for as much as this process can work, the process worked. Obviously, it's shitty. It's not how it should have worked, but it worked. These everybody's getting off of this. But the fact that now I am Jones is in there saying this shit about my that's that's head spinning

that he is going to say that my trusty has been called off. It seems like Schmidt would be able to like refute this. Yeah, you can have him on the show. Look, I'll tell you right now. He is not in contact with Schmidt. I know that 100 percent that Schmidt is not talking with Alex Jones. Like that day they have a break out was to put it at arm's length, right? And it would be inappropriate if they were in communication.

Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. And so what he just said right there is I'm like, I'm not going to. There's not I just want to make it clear for your listeners. There is not the chance that there is malfeasis by former Judge Schmidt. That's not a thing that happened. That what you're hearing right now is an is an outright lie and a complete complete contradiction of everything that I was arguing earlier

that Jones feels he needs 25 percent of the truth to say something because he absolutely does know. Well, I'm glad we've disabused you of that note. And that was a lot faster than I expected. We got to get real quick on that one. Now you have been killed. Yeah, exactly. We killed our lawyer.

So how much, Mark, would you guess that Zoros has spent on the case that you're the lawyer for? That's such a funny question. It's you know, I'm not even going to give you like the glib or whatever. It's about four ninety nine and a pack of ribs or whatever. No, no, it's it's funny because I'm usually involved in litigation that is kind of expensive. I do products liability litigation with my firm.

And we, you know, to get a good products case to trial, like a defective product is going to take a lot of expert testimony, a lot of it's really expensive and it can run you almost as much as a quarter million to half a million dollars to get a case to trial. Like that's how much it can cost. That's what you're going to be working with. And it is. And the thing is, is that in Jones's case, it's not quite as much.

You don't have as much expert testimony. You don't have as much stuff. I'm a Texas lawyer. I'm in a Texas court. I'm not traveling all over the country all the goddamn time. Like there's it's a lot cheaper and I'll be I'll be really upfront because I want I want the Jones people to know I want them to understand this that this case so far soup to nuts has cost me less than $110,000 to try.

And that that money has been paid over more than three times by Jones himself. Like we have already collected enough sanctions on him. We are now about two hundred and seventy thousand dollars into him. He has paid for all of this. So there is a George Soros funding this. Right. So not only and look, I made the agreements with the parents. I said, look, if anti-slap fees are granted, if this motion dismisses granted,

we're paying that we're paying that all. And that could have like that in itself was a risk of loss. That's a quarter million dollar risk of loss. Like that's priced into what we're doing. And when I decided to do this, I was like, yeah, we're paying everything up front. The fact that Jones has already put us in the red. Yeah, we're just on vacation. Right. This is just a moment.

We don't really this is not something for the parent. Like we're going to do whatever it takes to get the parents their day. And at this point, that's not a factor of cost. I don't need George Soros's help to do that. Mark, I appreciate your perspective. And I understand that you're intimately involved with the case that you are conducting. You would think. However, I have.

Look, if if what you're saying is true, you're making a lot off this Soros money because Alex is going to cite a figure in this next clip that will surprise you. Yeah, if you if you're OK, OK, if you've made a profit on Alex's sanctions, you're you're very rich. How big is it that Soros isn't even trying to hide this? And to me, this is a major rallying point. Why are they? I know we have a big show in the great audience and great guests.

But why are they so obsessed that we now have evidence that's going to come out soon of over $10 million spent by Soros to do this? What does he think that's going to look like when all that comes out and that they're now openly trying to threaten bankruptcy federal judges? I mean, these people, I guess they know they control the Justice Department. So why do they care? But this is getting crazy. It's the complete weaponization of the Justice Department

for politicized partisan purposes. Yeah. So $10 million you've got from Soros. I think I think you're misreading that. I think you're not understanding that Soros is spending that money, not on me, but for other things, maybe like he is. I don't know, like, like, like paying for hackers to manufacture an email to Jones saying your sources are batshit crazy and you're going to get in a shitload of trouble if you don't stop.

Like that can't cost $10 million. Yeah, I mean, that's a real email. And he can. Listen, I'm saying that he gave you that money up front and you've been outsourcing all of your deep state shit for a while now. That's all I'm saying. I mean, if we want to break down the line items of all the nefarious things that could be doing hackers.

What's a hack in the New York Times? What's an hourly rate? I don't know, but it can't be ten million. No, actually, that's what surprises me is the megalomania of thinking that it would take ten million dollars to destroy you when you have engineered your own destruction. Like that is just and paid for doesn't take that. Yeah, it just it just takes somebody like, look, I I I've me and a couple

of members of my firm have have decided we'd like to kind of chill out a little bit and devote more of our time to this and to go in after him. And that's been fun. It's been rewarding. It's been nice to see it happen. But it hasn't been like a like we didn't need deep state funding to do it. Like we just needed a little bit of extra time to be willing to say that if like, look, this is the reality of it is this may end up in a situation

where and the families know this, too, that this could be either very rewarding for them, they could be adequately compensated in a law where they might not be. But but that the goal here is to have have the moment of reckoning to have it happen. Yeah, to see it through. Yeah, to see it through. And we're going to see it through. And it's not that big of a deal. Like I don't I don't understand why he thinks it has to be like like there has

to be like this this global or shattering conspiracy to destroy him. I can explain this very easily. He's a narcissist. Yep. And he believes crazy nonsense, conspiracy theories to explain everything that's really inconvenient for him. So those combine. And he has a tenuous, if not completely lost grasp on reality. That is true. Yeah.

But look, he's got documents. So once he releases these, we'll see the budget that Soros has with a total million being so much crow. I'm just going to be so embarrassed. This reminds me of the Soros-Antifa contract 100 percent he had that were just from a 4chan troll post. I think that might be like as disappointing. This will be as disappointing as that.

Yeah. Yeah. So Barnes has some thoughts about this case in and of itself. And, you know, basically Alex is getting jammed up. That's that's what's going on here. Well, yeah, I mean, the goal has been just pure intimidation tactics. The only thing they know, just like the intimidation tactics they took with Russia thought they could shut down Russia's economy, thought they could change Russia's governance simply with these tactics.

It's the same tactics and techniques, but it's the complete dangerous partisan politicized weaponization of the Justice Department. And what's dangerous, Barnes, is that they don't quit when it fails. They double down. So what's the double down going to look like? I mean, they keep accelerating and escalating until they get a rigged outcome. And the problem they have, if they had confidence in the merits of their case, then they wouldn't be using these shenanigans.

They wouldn't be having the U.S. trustee interfere in a bankruptcy in a highly questionable manner to try to prevent a party from the legal rights and remedies bankruptcy affords, which, by the way, is only an option because the plaintiffs chose to sue entities they knew didn't have any assets. This is so that shows the scale of it. If they had confidence in their case, they wouldn't use these. That's the thing. They're saying there's hundreds of millions of dollars in these entities.

We're maxed out and don't have any money. So I'm like, OK, we'll show them. And then they're passed. Well, because the whole case was premised on a fiction of fiction based on a sort of Mike Meyers style latest version of a delusional interpretation of Alex Jones. And a barn's got the notes about like Mike Meyers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I heard some weird noises you're making in that clip. Yeah, well, some of that's really surprising. OK, so first of all, this is this. Oh, God, this is hilarious. OK, so this idea that we sued entities that we knew had no assets, right? And now you guys are crazy for doing that. What kind of idiot would sue entities that you didn't have any assets? So fans of the show will will understand this that that the first time

that Rob do got into a lot of trouble is because he appeared for a deposition for Info Wars LLC because we were trying to figure out what the hell it is because it was at the time the suit it was listed on the website is the entity that ran the website and everything like it was the entity, right? And free speech does the payroll of this kind of shit. We could Rob do got his first sanction for not having any clue what the hell Info Wars LLC did or was and claim that like, no, it's not a thing. It doesn't do anything.

And then they reciprocally said, no, no, no. Look, Rob, you just don't know what he's talking about. Like like it's it's a thing. It owns the intellectual property. It's got the website. It's got all this stuff. And it became a morass for like two years. And that's part of like why Robert Barnes is no longer on the case

because he did a bunch of shenanigans with that. Is that like trying this whole thing about Info Wars LLC, they were hiding it from the beginning because they knew that was a card they were going to play later. So like that in of itself is kind of dumb. But the idea that here's Robert Barnes saying that they're scared of the merits of the case. So they're pulling shenanigans while in the midst of pulling a shenanigan

to avoid a trial. No, that's why you guys delayed it for four years. That because you're afraid of the merits of your case, you guys have been pushing it back, playing shenanigans with bankruptcy judges in order to keep it from going to trial. That's why you messed around so much with this was a good refuge when your argument was that the default judgments were unfair, that we fucked around for four years and it's unfair.

Now you're not going to have a full trial in the merits. Like that was a good argument to now say that we are are getting the you like here's the thing about Robert Barnes is like he's not. He's really, really out of his element in a lot of places. But one thing that Robert Barnes knows 100 percent is that I did not enlist the US trustee to do a goddamn thing. The US trustee did whatever it was going to do. Robert Barnes knows that 100 percent.

He knows that he's a damn. Wait a second. Are you saying that he's lying? Yeah, 100 percent. I am saying. Lawyers can't lie. Isn't that against the rules? It is the rules.

Is that against the rules? What's the point of a justice system if your lawyer can lie? I do think I do think you know you're saying that Barnes is out of his element a lot of places. But he's in his element when it's public opinion type stuff like this, like being on this job. You're right. He was not he was not adequately deployed as the person to be in the courtroom.

That's not where he does what he needs to do. He's doing what he needs to do right here. And this is what he does. He should be like he's a fund raiser is what he is. He's he's there for no other. He doesn't actually swing public opinion. He doesn't inform anybody. Doesn't do any of that.

It's there to make info where people give Alex Jones money. That's what he might also plug his locals. Also to get his own thing going. Good for a country on an alternative for people who can't be responsibly on Patreon. Whatever happened to that collective of lawyers? He was fundraising for several years ago. The one that he was promoting on Stefan Malinow's show.

Yeah. The one that was so important and was going to do a lot of the fascist else SPLC is going to take care of everybody. Remember, that didn't work out. Oh, it didn't. I don't think so. Weird. So Alex asks Barnes here to back him up, man.

Hey, man, I'm broke, right? Yeah, sure. I'm broke, Barnes. Hey, come on. Let him know I'm broke. Yeah. Back me up. And they want to pretend that the the Infil Wars audience is this

deluded audience when, in fact, it's one of the most informed audiences in the entire world. And plus, Robert, you were involved in discovery in our finances. Because I don't judge myself by money. I spend it almost all. I got a decent house, a nice car, health care, but I don't worship money. I'm not trying to pile up money. How much last time you checked, how much money does Alex Jones have?

They keep claiming I have hundreds of millions of dollars. I don't have $5 million. Well, all of these entities they knew didn't that are in bankruptcy. They knew didn't have it from the very beginning of discovery. We sat down and showed them there's nothing there. There's nothing in there. They knew it and said you should dismiss them. You know, why is Owen Shroyer being sued as part of all this?

This is purely lawfare and it's politically motivated lawfare. And I'm not putting Owen down, but in discovery, he has like $50,000 in the bank. I mean, it's all lies. Oh, man, putting Owen's business on the streets. That's, I mean, I would be, I would be furious if I was Owen. Also, the reason to sue Owen is because he defamed people. Exactly. The same reason that you got his resources are not necessarily I don't want to talk about Owen,

but every night he goes down to the summit nightclub. He's wearing a he's wearing a barrel with some suspenders on it. I just can't can't even deal with it. And I'm just a poor guy. They should. I wish whoever, whoever employs them should probably pay him more. But just oh, yeah, that is a good point. Alex could do something about financial destituteness.

He's got several hundred million. I will tell you that the moment that Owen decided to query water for Alex Jones, it came on deposition. He got bought a brand new Dodger Hellcat. So, you know, that's apparently with the price of water cost. Anyway, yeah, no, that's wild there that Barnes is like, we sat down with them and showed them. You didn't sit down. You didn't sit down with anybody.

We've had to file like six motions for sanctions over the course of two years. This would be such a great moment for Alex to play one of his clips that he doesn't know what actually is in it. And we just snuck in a clip of the deposition of the business of just him being like, I have no idea what this business does. I don't know how to tell you what it does, because I don't know. Are you the only person who runs that business? Maybe.

It's funny. You really can just oppose this with like the things Barnes said in that due deposition. Like he just started getting up and talking to try to cover their ass. And it's like, wow, to compare that to them. To now it's just, I don't know. I know y'all have done some deposition videos. Y'all haven't covered their corporate representative in Fontaine yet. And that's the one where they're basically like, yeah, we're going to sue the shit out of Robert

Barnes. I mean, like, here's the guy that Jones wrote in affidavit. Like this is sworn testimony, y'all. Like wrote in affidavit in Connecticut saying, yeah, Robert Barnes botched the case. Please don't dismiss our case. We got to like, we got a new lawyer. He's going to take care of it. And we got the, we 86 that dude.

He's, he's a piece of work. We got rid of him and we'll see him on the show next week. And yeah, no, he's on the show next week. Like, God, my guess is that Barnes probably knows about that and that he's not going to get to. Barnes wrote that affidavit. I'll bet you. He's like, I just throw me under that boss. I'm sure you guys are going to sue me.

Let's see how well that goes. I've seen your defense. Yeah. I also just love the idea of like sitting there and like, Barts, Barts, back me up. The last time you saw how much money I got, I got nothing. I'm broke on that. Barts, tell them, tell them I got no money. Barts, last time you looked at my wallet.

Oh, shit. So guys, like we, you, you fucked up your protective order. We know how much money you have. It's all been linked to the press. Like, stop fucking. What are you doing? Yeah. No, I can stop this.

This is all so dumb. But that's all fake news. According to the world of Alex's jokes. Yeah. That bubble is impenetrable. It's true. It's true. So here is just some shit talk from Alex and Barnes.

If they believed in their case, they would have a trial on the merits with a jury. And let's expand. They've defaulted and you saw the filing where in Texas they say, we can't talk or bring up the First Amendment. I mean, it's beyond a kangaroo trial. Oh, completely. I mean, if again, if they have confidence, why are they scared of an Austin jury, a liberal Austin jury pool?

Why are they scared of a liberal Connecticut jury pool? They know that even those jury polls, when they see the actual facts in the case, will not write big checks of the kind that they demand, will not bankrupt into the wars fundamentally and functionally moving forward. So that's why they had to be afraid of bankruptcy. Then why did you declare bankruptcy? Based on a fake narrative and use procedural tricks. So do you have any response to these questions?

Yeah. Why did you declare bankruptcy? If these cases are not a threat to you, if there's some evidence that's going to come out that's going to protect you, the absolute wise move to take, like honestly, is to take the first verdict. And if I fall on my face and the enforcers don't get a big ass verdict against it, then you can probably weather the rest of the cases. No problem.

You only declared bankruptcy. The idea of declaring bankruptcy is you know that these cases are catastrophic. You know that. That's insane to claim otherwise. And there's still a pound in this drum about you didn't want a case on the merits. Believe me, my level of frustration over everything that's happened to have to get a default in this case because you don't need it. That's the real shame of it.

Is this case is a punitive case and always has been since the beginning. And so like the idea that we're scared of an Austin jury. Jesus, after you just stopped the trial at its doorstep, you're going to tell me I'm just, God, you, especially from the guy who literally ran away from this jurisdiction so I could stop beating him like a redheaded stepchild. That is. It's basically. Now realizing that is not a politically correct metaphor to use.

You should not beat redheaded stepchild. That is not an okay thing to do. I beat him like Robert Barnes, which is how you do that. It's just basically like a bully running away and then being like, why are you running away? Hold me back. 01:45:05,180 --> 01:45:06,380 Hold me back. Yeah.

He's one of those sorts of things, 100%. Yeah, I do think that there is an interesting thing that kind of works for the presentation of Alex's show, but it just, it's so transparent. The why won't you debate me kind of, why won't you have the case on the merits? And it's like, well, I mean, I know from conversations and being following this case and having Mark on the show a number of times, I don't believe for a second that the goal was a default to know everything would have led to a trial if Alex had cooperated. And done his piece of it.

Oh yeah. And so it's just, I mean, even if you just go to the very basics of it, right? Like Jones saying in deposition of like, this should be a trial on the merits about what I said. I'd love that, except I don't have what you said. You keep destroying all the shit you said and that you're hiding everything. So I don't have that. That's kind of challenging. That is already challenging, but I was already prepared to do without all of that.

But it's wild. Everybody knows here that this is only a question of how much. This is never a question of what you did. It's like them rattling off about the First Amendment thing, right? When he talks about that pleading, what he's talking about is at the beginning of trial, you're allowed to ask the court to say that certain matters and certain arguments shouldn't be allowed to be advanced. And one of those in this case is that Alex's conduct was protected by the First Amendment

because by law it wasn't. He said false facts about these plaintiffs. He's already got a default judgment against him. At that point, the First Amendment doesn't protect his conduct. It's already been found as a matter of law. Of course, he can't talk about the First Amendment at trial. But that was going to be his whole plan. It's not like a barring of the First Amendment.

It's that it's already been determined that it's not relevant. Today, I decree the First Amendment has been turned off. This is my courtroom. Yeah, that's an interesting lion impression. Yeah, it was a pretty good lion impression. He got four years to do a First Amendment argument. And he actually, even though all of the bull, like he talks about it being a kangaroo court, the reality is that even of all the bullshit he did, he got to go ahead and appeal this all

the way up to the Texas Supreme Court. He got two layers of appeals on the First Amendment argument. And he fell on the space in both of them. And like, and it's so to say that like, oh, this has something to do with these beings. And I know it doesn't stop that shit. And the idea that they think that they're scared, it's all so dumb. I mean, at least I don't, you may have more clips, but I don't. I don't.

You may have more clips, but I'm going to make this fucking show right now. Barnes anyway, just seems to be kind of trying to be in cover his ass mode of like, he knows this is going to go down bad and he knows his name is going to be somewhat tied to it. And he's going to have to have ways to have built in excuses about why he was so unsuccessful and why everybody else was. But for Jones, Jones seems to be in more legit panic mode at this point. Well, I mean, I think the excuses are there and whether or not they match with reality is obviously if they don't, but they do kind of work from a PR propaganda level.

Like you are too afraid to have a case on the merits. So you're using all these lawfare tricks. Most people listening to Alex will probably just agree that agree and accept that. Regardless, if there's anything behind it. And you were correct, Mark, I do have one more clip. All right, your prediction was correct. And it also includes Bobby making some allegations that I'm going to need a response after the clip. Sweet.

Okay. I mean, of course has been denied the right to bring motions to dismiss, the right to bring motions to summary judgment, the right to bring anti slap motions. And now, but now denied the right to for a trial on the merits. And now they're trying to deny them even bankruptcy law protection. That's the scale and scope of this politicized weaponized mechanism to come after it for us. And it's because of the power of the audience. His voice is falling apart.

He should take a breath. Yeah, take a drink. Yeah, that is that was scaring me a little bit. So there's a number of allegations in there. Mark, how say you on these these denials of motions that right. Okay. So denied the ability to have a motion to dismiss. No, actually Barnes filed one and they had three more to so they they had four of those.

I know that I've looked at the at least the like Connecticut docket and there's at least a few motions to dismiss in there. Yeah, Connecticut gets a little hazy and I'll explain that in a minute. But basically done in Texas anyway, they had four of them. And in fact, one of them was so bad that they got they got fine like $35,000 for bringing a completely frivolous motion on. And and yeah, they definitely had all that chance. And then the second one was the motions for summary judgment. Basically what this is is once the case has gone through some discovery, you're you're allowed to bring a motion to have certain issues declared that there's no dispute of fact over those issues.

And that can mean anything from like damages to there's a lot of different issues you can bring it on. They had the ability to bring those motions and then they just didn't like they missed their deadline. They they had a deadline back in February of this year and then they didn't do that. And part of that was that was back when when Brad Reeves was handling the case. And they I there was like a switchover. And they just didn't do it like they had every opportunity to do it. They didn't do it. Sounds like they were denied the opportunity to me.

Yeah, right. I was denied the opportunity to go into the NFL. I just exactly by right. So then they had these denied the ability to do these anti slap motions. They had two years of appeals of anti slap motions. That's just ridiculous. And particularly with Barnes, that's fantastic because Barnes did a bunch of like really how would I describe this improper things relating to discovery, which as we discussed before,

they wrote an affidavit about him doing all this shit. And as a result, he walked in front of my court and said, Hey, guess what? I'm just going to abandon our motion to dismiss on the anti slap. So I don't get in trouble. I don't want to sanctions order against me. So I'm just giving that up. So Barnes is the one who threw that out the window by his own misconduct. And then you have they've been denied the opportunity to do bankruptcy.

Now you did your bankruptcy. You just you just lied in it. So like it didn't work. Like that's not my fault. I didn't do anything. I mean, literally came apart at the seams. Like I didn't I didn't. I can't even take credit for that.

You just you just did something really dumb. No, they okay. You got you stopped. You stopped the trial. But like I don't I don't even you just wasted everybody's time. Congratulations. I don't what do you want? Like this list of things that Barnes is bringing up is more just like this

didn't work. This didn't work. Yeah, this didn't work. Yeah. When he says denied the ability, what he means is we lost. We weren't allowed to succeed with this. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

And yeah, it was a little bit like it's a little bit like if you've ever been walking up the stairs and you just your eyes and your legs missed and you trip going up the stairs and you're like, this is very embarrassing. And you see then people see you and you're like this was somebody else's fault. There's no way that I just tripped like this. It was that it was a ghost. Yeah, absolutely. No, no, somebody threw a ball nearby and you can't you just can't accept

responsibility for looking like an asshole. That's what it feels like. It does. Yeah, that's bad. Yeah. So this this brings us to the end of our clips for this. I feel like I don't know. Is this cathartic?

Who's this? It is. So I will tell you this. This is obviously not a normal case. Everything that's happening and it's totally absurd. And then for the past couple of weeks, I've just been sort of off in orbit, you know, like away from my life, from everything, from all of it. And there is no chance to vent about it, to get all this out.

And so you got your anger back, you know, you were feeling real relaxed. You're like, you know, I'm going to treat this case like I better put my head down to go to work. And then I come on this show and you're like, I'm going to kill that motherfucker. You need a dose of bullshit. Yeah, exactly. No, I'm just a lot of it's jaw dropping. A lot of it is it's just it's it's you get to a point to where I mean,

everything about this case has been so unorthodox. And when you hear them talking about the things it is, it is. It's nice to be able to come on here and acknowledge to your audience. Not just that. Not just that the things that they're being told isn't true or whatever that like, you know, it's just that this is so far off the rails that it's difficult for lawyers to comprehend where I'm off in different territory. This isn't a lawsuit anymore.

This is a clown show. And so that's just how you have to treat it at this point. So no, it is. It's nice to come on and talk with you guys. I wish I could give you a more definitive update about what's about to happen. And I just can't. I just don't know. I'm still still in a holding pattern.

I know where this bankruptcy stun is over. But to say that that's the end of the stuns would be naive. So sure. But at least that's sort of that's an update in and of itself, though, you know, because that's like we were saying, that's kind of a chapter as has resolved. So there's an update in as much as that bankruptcy thing is deflated. And now we'll it's uncharted waters. I guess we're running the question mark meter hurdles race.

So, you know, you just keep jumping over fucking hurdles. And hopefully eventually the race ends. Yeah. I don't know. I was told somebody the other day I was I was I'd happened to just I just happened to watch Apocalypse Now the the Redux version. And we were watching that scene with Robert DeVos. Yeah, exactly.

It's funny. It's that scene actually where you have Robert DeVos sitting on the beach right after the napalm and everything. And he's just sort of feeling kind of wistful. And he just turns to Willard and he's like someday this war is going to end. And God, you start to feel that at the end of this. You start to feel that like you've been you've been living on this thing of it never ends. It never ends.

There's always something more and at some point it will end. And then you're kind of left in the there's not going to be a good day Newmont for this for my literature fans out there. There's not going to be a good it's going to there's going to be it's going to be an end and it's going to be wrecking and then we're it's all going to be over. And then there'll be a coda comes after that. Yeah, there's going to be five years of coda on this bullshit. Like it is this is never leaving my life.

That's the thing I've had to resign myself to is that I get to do my normal life and I get to do most of that normal stuff. And then in this side little piece of it, I get to devote to the absolutely most insane lawsuit in America. Yeah, I mean, like, think about it. Oh, they're going to do like 10 years after the Alex Jones lawsuit. We talked to Mark Bankston. That'll probably linger around.

But I mean, like, that's kind of the essence of like getting involved in like looking at Alex Jones in a critical way, whether it's through a podcast or legally, it goes on much longer than you think. You didn't expect it. We thought we would be doing this podcast for six months. Maybe here we are. So yeah, I thought I thought I'd be to a jury in a year and a half. So yeah, these expectations are never quite what I don't know.

I'm getting ready for that moment where we switch gears to this is the trial, this is the reckoning. We can put all the dumb bullshit behind us and actually do the thing that people have been waiting for us to do for four goddamn years. And when it happens and happens, I can tell you right now, we're going to do it right. And it's just a matter of when Jones is going to let that happen. Well, we're excited for you to get there.

Yeah, it'll come. Yes, it will. It'll be there. Yeah. But Mark, thank you for joining us. This is this has been a lot of fun to check in. And I appreciate you being able to give some context, even if the context is this confuses even lawyers.

Yeah, yeah. Because if it confuses lawyers, you better believe I would have no ability to talk about bars other than just being like, that's not true. That's bullshit. Yeah. That's basically all I could say. No, thank you for letting me the chance to get it all, get to get some steam off.

Yeah, for sure. I look forward to updates and knowing when the the trial actually happens so we can get tickets again. That's the plan. But let's say we should wrap this up, Jordan. Indeed. Until next time, we have a website. We do have a website.

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