Knowledge Fight - #694: The Case of the Missing Propagandist

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan reel from the news that Alex has still been out of studio.  To cope with his absence, they discuss an unearthed PSA Alex recorded in 1998 and listen to an episode from 2003 where Alex gets really mad about an episode of Malcolm In The Middle. The PSA

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a big fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like sit around. We're just about the altar of slain and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Jordan Jordan. What's your bright spot today, buddy? I guess it's the silliness that the heat brings out. Yeah, it sure does. In Chicago, one of these little giddy one

of these Chicago summer days. Yeah, it's like 100 degrees something. It's it's a mess, man. We had out there your sausage cooks right on the ground. I tell you what now. I had we all had that heat wave. It was the last week it was in the hundreds. Just a complete disaster. And then it was so like it was chilly one day like sweater weather. And now it's back to hundreds. This is a mess. Yeah, it reminds me of how it wasn't like in my youth. You know, before whenever everybody was like global warming, they're still winter. And now everybody's a little bit like, who it's hot? Oh, there was always some bit of seasonal variability. Of course, but it does definitely feel different. It sure fucking does. It is upsetting. I normally anecdotal like, oh,

you know, the past, it's not like the way it used to be. This really does know there's math. I saw I need to go pick up a prescription. And I am intentionally waiting till after we record hoping it's a little cooler. Yeah, the longest day of the year, as if the sun will be down by that. Exactly. It's not like we're not like we're recording at 9pm or something. But yeah, I'm still still sort of trying to bank on that fingers crossed. Yeah, good luck. I wish you the best. See, I'm not sure where my bright spot is, but I guess it's whatever. Anyway, what's yours? My spot is similarly low stakes. I told you, you know, my partner, it's the end of the school year. This was the first real day that she did not have an alarm clock on during the school year. I wake up at 630. I cannot go

back to sleep. Sure. So this morning, I slept in until 845. It's the greatest day of my greatest day of my life. 845, my friend. That's crazy. Yeah. Oh, no, it's out of control. Says the guy who I don't I don't know if I've seen that side of nine in a while. Yeah, I've been up at 840. Sure. Sure. Sure. Some all nighters. There's been some work. But yeah, well, congratulations sleeping in. I hope hope you enjoy whatever period of time you're able to do that for. Yes. So somebody else who's maybe not been waking up early. All right. Alex Jones still out of studio. What is happening? Yeah, we expected him to be back on Sunday, but he's been still gone. Did they say he was going to be back? We're recording this on Tuesday. Right. He might have been back today. I'm not

entirely sure. But yeah, he was gone Sunday, gone Monday. And we'll talk a little bit about that and get into some other stuff. But I hope he fled. I really do. I really hope he fled. I don't think my working theory is hangover or missed a flight or something acceptable. I'm hoping. But we'll get into an episode here. But before we do, let's say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Dr. Marvel, Dr. Marbles, liquid liver tonic. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy. Thank you very much. Thank you. I appreciate that one. A great deal. They said in a appropriately long play by here. Yep. Yep. Next,

this includes an apology and a happy birthday to Ethan from Mimi, your future wife. So supposed to be the beginning of the month. All right. Are they already married? I don't know. Sorry. A little bit delayed, but also happy birthday. Happy birthday. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Next. Roger Stones, Bikini waxer. And yes, the sack does match the back sir. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I'm not thrilled. I said that message did include an apology that I had to say it. Yeah, I agree. Let it go. Next, Nicholas R, one of the top box engineers in the country and erstwhile tequila sunset. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. That's as confusing as

it is almost pleasing. Yeah. I like that arc. That's good arc. Oh, and we got a couple technocrats, Jordan. Yes. So first, Baba Yaga, the only friend Alex deserves. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. And Matt from Illinois. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow, actually. I'm just gonna take a little break. You know, a little break for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out there. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today's been my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month,

maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. We'll never know if he's better today because he's fucking nowhere to be found. Oh boy. He's in the wind. Man, if he fled, that'd be great. I doubt it. Oh, I know. We have a couple of clips here from Monday's show. Oh, and is hosting and addressing the fact that Alex is not there. Right. And so here is the beginning of a little bit of a breakdown discussion of where the fuck is Alex? Okay. Yeah, that's good question tuned in. And you're wondering where is Alex Owen? You told me Alex would be

back. Well, yes, the plan was for Alex to be back. The problem is we're living in Biden's America. What we're living in the collapsing civilization that we're in right now. And so part of the symptom of our collapsing society, our collapsing civilization is flight cancellations and what is being now called travel Armageddon. Yeah, man, travel Armageddon. Right. Alex is a victim of travel Armageddon. Right. Right. Right. Right. So yeah, there's canceled flights and what have you. And Alex is apparently this is the reason that he's not in studio. But I think it's cover. I think he yeah, I think he probably just partied a little too hard. What was I think he's in Belarus being hidden by the by the Russian regime. I

think he's gonna show back up at Info Wars. It's gonna be a wax figure. That's kind of what I'm thinking. Yeah. Is he in the exact same hiding place that Saddam was? That's the real question. Yeah. No, I think I think he probably just got drunk and missed a flight. Yeah, that's my theory. But man, it's a conspiracy, though, according to Owen. I like how he's somehow condescending towards us. Like we're stupid for thinking. How dare we think that he should be back despite it being Biden's America. Well, and he said he'd be back. And look, I'll be honest. Yeah, fuck you. Don't take that tone with me. Flight cancellations are a headache. Sure. It's a chore happening to me. Alex is fucking so rich. So goddamn rich by your own fucking plane. This is a level of

your responsibility that is shocking to come from a celebrity and media personality. Totally. And why is Owen delivering this instead of Alex on the phone? He could be doing it on the phone, unless he was a little too drunk because he missed his flight and decided fuck it. Or if he's in Belarus. Can't call in. Can't call in. Yeah, here's Owen complaining a little bit more. Okay. And so I'm not trying to talk at length here about why Alex isn't in. That's why he's not in. But the real story here is that it's just yet another example of how everything is collapsing now in just a year and a half of Democrat control and the Biden White House. Just everything is collapsing, including the ability to fly stress free and easily get from

one airport to the other. This is fun for Owen and all, but like I don't understand exactly how we're going to make this Biden's fault. Yeah, some flights were canceled because of weather, conditions and like unless you're going to pull out weather weapons, I guess that's possible. No, that's we're at the level of like, Oh, that's Zeus for you. You know, I got struck by lightning. What are you going to do? That's Zeus, you know, like you're just you're just saying a name to give cause to your troubles and the phenomenon of these like, you know, cancellation heightened levels of cancellation flights. It wasn't just something that was being experienced in the United States. Like it was, it was across the board in the, in the world. So I don't know how

staffing shortages, there's still COVID running rampant through everything. Transmission is fucking up. You know, yeah, you're fucked. And a flight load is up and there were multiple holiday considerations. Right. You know, it's just, it's nonsense. The only thing I can really think that Owen could really like stick to here is like, Biden's putting out bad vibes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I would accept that. Yeah. But even then, like that almost undercuts your own argument when you say within a year and a half of Biden is it's like Biden has not done shit in a year and a half. So if you're complaining about now because of maybe it's because of the recent past, no, no, Biden's destroyed the airline. But I mean, he hasn't done anything

like almost period. It's kind of amazing. And a lot of money to the military and according to Alex and info wars, like he can barely talk. Yeah. He doesn't know where he is. He's also grounding planes. What is he doing? So Jordan, today we're going to be talking about August 5th, 2003. We're going to stick around the past. But I have to be honest. Yeah. It's not a very interesting episode. There is not a ton that goes on. So thankfully, something came to my attention. Okay. I would like to give a hat tip to my friend Ali about this. All right. Because Alexander? No. Oh, Ali Alexander is not my friend. Not your friend. Sorry. I was just checking. But Ali brought this to my attention. There's a little thing from 1998. It was uncovered

on the internet. Okay. It turns out that in 1998, Alex Jones was hired or maybe I don't know, maybe he wasn't even paid for this. Who fucking knows? But Alex Jones did a public service announcement. Get the fuck out of here. Like many teenagers who are lured into trouble by the temptation of easy credit, Tina was naive about the responsibilities of personal finance. Nothing can be more important to a person starting out in life from getting a proper understanding of how personal finances work. Teenagers are notorious for giving in to their desires without thinking ahead of the consequences. Before they know it, teenagers can be in over their heads, owe more money than they can pay and have to turn to parents, relatives, or outside

credit counseling agencies for help. But that doesn't have to happen to you. It doesn't. Fiscal responsibility and credit card management for teens. I don't know. I don't know what could bring me more just like simple pleasure. That is so stupid pre info wars, but Alex had already had a like a public access show. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So, but I think you founded info wars in 99. So this is this is before that, but he's still like obviously a weirdo. Yeah. But yeah, this was a PSA that was made by a company called Lucerne media and they shot it at the CBS studio in Austin. Sure. And Alex is the host for whatever reason. Unreal. There's weird painfully done recreations of like a teen who got a credit

card and went to the mall and thought they could get everything. And you know, it just it backfired. All right. All right. This is a bit like finding out that Goebbels did a PSA for not leaving your pets in the car. Yes. You know, like, wait, what are you talking about? Definitely. No, you can't do that and then turn to evil and it's hilarious to like he's in a suit. No, he's he's super ripped. Alex Jones. He's not. He's not all that ripped. Oh, he's not. He's still okay. That's right. He's in the middle stage right between bodybuilder and right. Thicknecked weirdo. Right. But he's yeah. He's in a suit and he's standing in front of would be a green screen, but with like a bunch of bills and credit cards. I'll post a link to the to the video of it because

it only has about 300 views right now. Oh, boy, it's about to have a lot more. It seems to be much wider seen than this thing. A lot more. Now the question that comes up is at the end of the video. There's a list of the other videos in this series and one of them is called Herpes. It's with you for life. That's true. And then there's another one about gambling, one about smoking. Sure. And all the biggest issues. It's an open question whether or not Alex hosted all of them. And I think that there's a good chance that he did. Oh my God. Now I was able to find the smoking one at a library in Danvers, Massachusetts. It's on a VHS tape in Massachusetts and I'm getting out of play. Do you know what's great?

We've got we got friend of the show, Sarah Shockey. I was talking with her last night. There's a friend who's doing VHS to DVD conversion. Is that right? Are they in Danvers, Massachusetts? No, but you could call somebody and have them mail it to you. But I don't know if this library in Danvers is going to just be like, oh yeah, here have this VHS. We're going to have to get you a library card for that library in Danvers, Massachusetts. How are we going to do that? We'll find a way. Well, maybe we have some enterprising listeners in Danvers, Massachusetts. We'll see what happens. I believe there's another copy of it in Idaho at a library. I love America. Yeah. So I want to find all of these and see if Alex is the, in fact,

the host of all of them because it would be truly bizarre to to see him talking about the dangers of smoking and drinking and herpes. The problem is if you get all of them together in one place, then the dragon will emerge and you'll be granted a wish, right? But my wish will already have been granted. And that is that I get all of the paradox that you and the dragon just sit there and stay and stare at each other for the rest of time. I'm fine with that. Then I get a new friend. That's a good day. Now, look, the upside of this is it's pretty hilarious that this exists. It's very funny. Now the downside of it is Alex is pretty boring as a PSA pitch man. Some companies will get you to sign up with a low late payment fee, then increase the fee later on as shown here

by a simple mention on your statement. This is a legal notice. So be sure to read your statements carefully. If your minimum payment due is minimum and you missed the July 4th due date, this company will charge you a $29 late fee. Another trick is to make a due date on a holiday like this company when no mail will be delivered. These are the kinds of things that can add up and make a $10 pizza cost you $100 or more in the long run. This is pretty boring. There's an alternate universe where Alex Jones wears a suit with dollar signs on it and tries to sell you grants from the government, man. One of the things I think is really interesting about this is that he's not yelling about fiat currency. He's not talking about the federal

reserve. No, I mean, it is about financial issues, financial literacy for teens and who needs to know more than teens about the Fed. I'm going to be honest. I had several overdraft fees when I was 19 years old and I could have been served by this PSA. Yeah, maybe it's educational programming. It should have made its way to Illinois. The problem was I didn't see Alex Jones at the right time in my life. That's what's gone on when he was giving helpful messages about read your bill. Now I imagine now I imagine a world where this show you were like and I know everything about Alex Jones and I'm like the only thing I know about Alex Jones is how not to get overdraft fees on pizza. The only thing I know about Alex Jones is he saved me $70 when I was a teen.

Okay. All right. I just think that it would be really funny if they gave him a little more creative control and he was able to be like now you read the bill to make sure that you know you pay your bill on time and also three senators past the federal reserve to talk to my friend Ron Paul about buying gold. I don't know. I think that would be a more fun way for him to go is to turn his full conspiracy powers on just overdraft fees and be like, listen, man, let's get into the weeds. All right. There's no reason that they should be able to charge you overdraft fees. They're creating this fee in order to make more profits for them. And if you know anything about the Bible, you'll know that Jesus said that usury is wrong. I think if I remember correctly, the big

issue that Al Franken championed in that book, why not me? Yeah, create his fake run for president. He ran for president. One of his big issues was ATM fees. Honestly, getting rid of ATM fees. You should. So, you know, maybe there is something to that. I wouldn't be wrong. It galvanizes the public. I wouldn't disagree. So Alex has some warnings in this PSA. And I think that they come off weird knowing this career trajectory. That $10 pizza paid for with a bad check and end up costing you $60 or more. If that check also cost other checks to bounce. One of the most important things you can do in life is to maintain a good credit rating. As the world becomes more populated, that's personal. Computerized data is increasingly important to establish who and what we are.

A person's credit rating is one of the first things checked by employers. Give your money on gold. Hard sales and other people who make decisions about your future. It seems very weird that he's stressing so much like you've got to keep your credit rating good. You've got to have a good credit rating. I mean, isn't that like basically the beginnings of the social credit score that he's so worried about? Totally. Like, hey, your potential employers are going to check your credit score in order to see if you should be hired. He should be furious about that. How is it that you can read the John Birch Society and still do a PSA for financial literacy? I'll tell you how, because at the end of the day, the John Birch Society is more about

the grift than it is about anything fucking else. Well, and let me tell you this. In 1998, Alex was desperate for any gig that was going to come along. So he'll do PSAs for things that are essentially incompatible with his worldview. Well, I mean, he asked his dad for a radio show. That's pretty incompatible with his pull yourself up by your bull. Sure. Yeah. Sure. And I mean, the ultimate irony really is, you know, this includes some advice that he should have taken himself. Oh, no. The primary way to avoid all of the problems we've mentioned so far is don't call schools. Oh, never spend more money than you have. That would be good. Considering he currently has a business that's $50 million in the hole or whatever, even if he does owe the money to his

own companies or whatever. It's still still ironic a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. That is nice. I don't fully believe in the simulation because if it were real, then we would have heard him be like, listen, I'm sorry, but Columbine really happened. And if anybody ever claims that a school shooting is a false flag in the future, they're really fucked. That would be two on the nose. Well, you know, it would be really weird about that. Is that Columbine didn't happen for another year? Yes. Yeah. That would be weird about that. That's not the point. It's not the point that the timing's right. The point is the coincidence. God damn it, dad. I get what you're saying, but it would be evidence of larger powers. Right. Right. Yes. So anyway, that was just a little bit

of a delight to experience. And I'm glad because it allows us to pad this out a little bit because, like I said, August 5th, 2003, not much, not much going on, but desert. I do think that there are a couple of actually important things to bring up and it's good to have them kind of in the immediate time after we talked about the last episode because they relate a little bit. Okay. And here's the first thing and this actually does this links back to his episode from August 4th. I got a bunch of emails about Gary Busey, who I know is a listener of the show because he calls my house all the time. He's a good guy knows about the New World Order kind of kind of a wild man, though. And I got a bunch of emails about Gary Busey on his show on Comedy Central talking about the

New World Order and saying, I can't talk about it on this show, but it's all in police state 2000. Because Gary's gotten the videos. He got the videos and contacted me. A lot of folks out in Hollywood, well, you know, Mel Gibson's dad, Mel Gibson have seen the films and they know about the New World Order and there's quite a few other people. No offense to Gary Busey, but I wouldn't use him as a citation when I was trying to list people who believe the same crazy stuff I believe. Sure. I understand Busey is famous, but associating him with your ideas kind of makes me trust your ideas even less. It's fun that Alex is saying that the Gibson family knows about the New World Order, though. We talked about Hutton Gibson, Mel's father, and his horrible anti-Semitic

comments on our last 2003 episode, but this actually deserves a little revisiting. The point that Alex is making is that Hutton Gibson knows about the New World Order. This definitively means that Alex is asserting that he and Hutton Gibson are of the same mind about this globalist conspiracy, and that's a huge fucking problem. In an interview from 2004 on a show called Speak Your Peace, Hutton Gibson did expound on his thoughts about the New World Order, and here's what he said. Oh boy. Quote, the Federal Reserve and those foreign bankers who own our currency and charge us for it. The foreign bankers who run the International Reserve like the Rothschilds and their allies

in this country, like the Rockefellers who were Jews and others who own the money. There's a book out not too long ago listing the big Jewish families in the country, which lists the Rockefellers as Jewish, and there was no protest. At another point, he says, quote, I don't know what the Jews agenda is except that it's all about control. They're after one world religion and one world government. Alex is an idiot, but he's not this kind of an idiot. He knows what Hutton Gibson thinks the New World Order is, and he's signaling his agreement here. On the one hand, this could be indicative of Alex's own crypto anti-Semitism, but that would be difficult to prove definitively. It's easy to point to a mountain of circumstantial evidence, but that doesn't speak to what's inside

What I think is more important is that you better believe that any anti-Semitic or neo-Nazi leaning listeners know what Hutton Gibson believes, and hearing Alex express that they're on the same page, it serves as a wink to that community that while you might say globalist and pretend he's not a bigot, he's only doing that because he can't get away with saying what he actually knows and believes on the air because it'll get in trouble. And just to clarify, Hutton had been self-publishing a newsletter titled The War Is Now Since 1994. So a lot of his beliefs, they weren't a private matter, even if a lot of it didn't become the subject of mainstream public debate until around the time of Passionate the Christ. He was still a figure that was known in those circles. So

I find this to be a little fucked up. Yeah, yeah. It does feel like Alex has like a chaotic, you know, those, you know, those alignment charts, you know, lawful, good, lawful, new, like Alex just has all the chaotic alignments locked up. He's got like Busey on hand. He's got the Nugent right next to him. He's got Charlie Sheen like nothing, anything chaotic, blank. Alex has a whole cadre of people to fill that. Good. Kinky Friedman. I mean, what, Bill Ayers? Is he chaotic, though? Weather Underground was very fucking. Formerly chaotic. All right. I don't know if he's all the chaotic now. Now he's very not chaotic. He's very lawful, lawful, good, borderline, lawful, neutral. Alex doesn't have him. He just showed up one time for a bizarre interview. I mean,

Christopher Walken, how about that? He showed up. That was an accident. He was still there. He was just cooking dinner with bells cooking with the bells. So on our last episode, Alex talked a little bit about this idea that Jay Leno was going to have a makeover by the queer eye for the straight guy. Right. This was somehow the gay agenda run amok. Alex touches back on this story, but now he's completely changed it. And by the way, I read yesterday out of the big advertising consortium news about how the homosexual groups are paying to have product placement on Jay Leno's TV show. They pay to have a pro homosexual message. So the story that he was covering yesterday or on the last episode, he he whipped,

he messed up, but now it's completely different. The actual article is about how queer eye for the straight guy was pulling big ratings and sponsors were paying a lot to get product placements on the show. And it was also mentioned that Jay Leno was going to get a makeover from that. Obviously, the reasons Jay would want to do this is because he wants to associate himself with something popular and make himself appear to be more with the times, or maybe he has an agent with a connection to the producers of queer eye. Whatever the case, it's a marketing opportunity for him. Yeah. Alex didn't understand this story, or he willfully misrepresented it on the last show. And now that he's created a touchstone for the audience, he's writing a

completely new story that has no connection to reality at all. Apparently now this article is supposed to be about gay groups paying for product placement on Jay Leno's show. I'm not sure what that even means, but the point is to imply that there's no organic popularity to anything that involves gay people. Anytime you see anything that involves gay people existing on TV or in pop culture, it's only because special interest groups have paid off the producers to include that content. This isn't as blunt and clearly bigoted as him just saying that he hates gay people, but this is no less homophobic. The mentality that Alex is advancing is one that really does look at the public existence and popularity of media relating to LGBTQ issues

or people as a conspiracy with subversive aims. It's disgusting, and this kind of thing should really be well remembered when Alex is doing his bullshit song and dance in the present day about how he's tolerant on gay issues, but at the same time violently anti-trans. He's just faking whatever tolerance he presents until it's safe for him to attack gay people again. That's the song and dance, the game that he's doing, and it's pathetic. Yeah, and it should be so simple and easy to see through any kind of like, oh, the gay agenda with cultural, like, fine. I mean, listen to a Queen song. Do you like that or not like that? What do you want? What do you want out of culture? What do you want out of culture? Guess what? If you look at it, honestly, it's gonna be a lot gay.

Freddie Mercury was only acting gay because the gay groups made him do it. They paid him off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of your favorite songs, 40% made by somebody on the LGBTQ space, at period, period at least. Yeah. Yeah, what he's doing is pretty fucked up. And when you really look at it and you recognize that the story that he's basing this on is just about like companies wanting to pay for product placement space on a popular show, it's remarkable that he's able to make this level of homophobic content out of something that has nothing to do with it. Absolutely. Because it's that's the editorial agenda. That's the goal that he has with his content. I mean, you can but God, it could go back so much further just listening

to somebody listening to like the fucking shadow and hearing an ad for just baby wipes being like, oh, these women are putting ads on the goddamn stuff. Like, I don't know. They might. I bet they did. Yeah, I bet they did. I bet there was a woman's pants ad that made the entire country explode for a couple of weeks. Yeah, probably Christ. So Alex, take some calls. And this isn't all that meaningful, but I thought it was kind of funny. Walt in Michigan. Go ahead, Walt. Hello, Alex. Yeah, good to talk to you. Good to talk to you, son. How are you doing? Pretty good. Listen, I just had a little conversation with Joseph Farah on the phone. He says he doesn't know who you are. Pardon me. He says he doesn't know who you are.

He says his website is a business. And I confronted him about Ann Coulter's book being advertised on his website. And I tried to explain to him how she mistreated people on your talk show the other day. Well, number one, I've interviewed Farah. Farah has run 10 stories with my plus with myself in them. And I've talked to Farah's wife. I've had folks on. So Joseph Farah told you he didn't know who Alex Jones was, correct? Oh, that's heartbreaking. Yeah, that's heartbreaking. But then Alex is like, I've interviewed him a bunch. I know his wife. He knows who I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets real up in his head about it. No, I would feel I would feel pretty terrible if somebody was like, ah, man, your your first

ex girlfriend, she doesn't even remember your name anymore. That's intense. That would break my heart. The guy from World in That Daily knows who I am. Damn it. That's that's about the same in terms of how much he cares. So this call ends. Yeah. And they go to commercial. Yeah. And they come back from commercial. Okay. And here's where here's what Alex says. Look, folks, I'll just say that. Prior to George Bush being elected World in That Daily, about 80% of their stories were hard hitting, very important. And now it's gone the other way. They got a lot of good writers, though, still some good issues. At least they report on what the federal government's doing and some of the police state measures. But overall, I mean, they will not criticize Lord Bush.

A caller called in and said that he had a personal conversation with Joseph Farrah that was insulting to me. So I am going to impugn one of my primary sources of information. The pettiest fucking dick. No reason to do that. Just had to. Just had to. Yeah. Could not stop himself from being like, there is no reason to believe that this caller actually talked to Joseph Farrah. No, why would you? No, no, but it gives a shit. How dare he, you know, World That Daily sucks now. How about that? But he also is doing this so strategically where he can still like accept like just using World That Daily content because they have some good writers still. No, I love, I love every, it's like, it's like a progressive DV DA, you know, like, oh,

I love everything that they stand for. I don't like the word progressive or DA. So I'm going to get rid of them. It's entirely just a guy who's been wounded. Yeah, he's hurt. Just lashing out. It's cute. Just stabbing people. Such a sad man. That is so pathetic. It is. That is so pathetic. It is not even close to the levels of pathetic we're about to get to. Oh, no, it gets worse. I would say a large portion of this episode is circling around the idea of a Malcolm in the Middle episode that Alex has not watched, but someone emailed him about. Okay, now hold on. Yeah. If I understand this correctly, we're pre-breaking bad Cranstoning. Yep. And that's an info war show. A lot of it. Yes. Okay. So here is Alex complaining about this

episode of Malcolm in the Middle. You're going to need to say that one more time that Alex seems to think is about him. This is an email I read in the last hour. It says I happened to be watching Malcolm in the Middle last night when my kids and it seems your broadcast have been made the butt of the ridiculous dumbed down humor of the show. It seems that the loser father figure on the show has been made out to be some sort of freak with a clandestine radio broadcasting station. He mentioned some issues you might have brought up was using terms like military industrial complex. He was no way to find those out and was talking about other really lame, unrelated drivel, etc. Naturally, the government boys show up in black van and chase him down on foot and generally made a

real fool out of him hauling him away. So I would guess this is supposed to equate anyone who wants to call attention to the atrocities of our government. My normal Americans are really just weird freaks. And it's all over the sitcoms, all over the dramas. There is just like I've noticed a trend that I have kind of now and that is I'll listen to Alex on my response and my head will just like grow up man. What are you doing? This is ridiculous. Oh yeah. So this episode of Malcolm in the middle is called Garage Sale. And the premise of it is that the dad how they're doing, they're having a garage sale, the family, and going through the garage, he finds his old radio transmitter. They use back when he was in college. Sure. So he's doing a short radio show. Yeah,

of course, where he called himself Kid Charlemagne. Naturally. He would talk about goings on on campus. That's what you got to do to be cool. Yeah. And so he tries to recreate his old youth. Oh my God. And so he he he takes back on the title of Kid Charlemagne and starts ranting about stuff. That's exactly like Alex Jones. Right. Kid Charlemagne. So he's sitting in like his backyard doing this doing this show. Okay. And then he's he's going about his life and he starts becoming a little bit more paranoid. Sure. And he gets pulled over by the police for running a stop sign. Uh huh. And he thinks it has something to do with his show. Right. And then he creates an entire campaign against this, this single stop sign. So his shows start becoming about this stop sign.

Okay. And he does not say the military industrial complex. What? He says the military industrial country club complex because it's a stop sign that the country club. Oh my God. So it's not even. Oh my God. So the yard sale, the garage sale ends up happening. Yeah. And somebody buys the transmitter. And so uh the dad gets in the car with the person to put the transmitter so he can keep doing his show. And then there's a black van following uh following them. Yeah. And so he ends up getting a ticket for doing an unlicensed radio show. Sure. Sure. It has nothing to do with like the content that he was putting out. He doesn't get dragged off into a van. Right. That's the that's the central humor of it is that he thinks it has something to do with the content. Right. Whereas

it actually does. It's just it's a pirate radio show that's not licensed. Yeah. So if you were say somebody who uh I don't know has a radio show that you feel like was lambasted by that particular program, the only reason that you would be lambasted were if you were to react in the exact same way that Alex did. Yeah. It's all it's almost like Alex is embodying the thing that's being satirized. Yeah. Yeah. After the fact, which is right. Really sad. It's really sad. Yeah. No. When a clown throws a pie, right. And it hits you in the face. You're like, oh man, I got hit in the face by a by a clown with a pie. That's hilarious. But whenever you run as fast as you can towards a pie and then slam your face in it and go, why did the clown throw this at me? Right. And then you

scream but this is indicative of societal. Absolutely. Everybody's clowns. All of these pies are always in my face. All these God. It's just pathetic. Man. I do. I can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if every time I saw like a movie with a podcast on it and they were like, this idiot is an asshole. And I was like, oh man, that's exactly like me. This is an attack on me. And it's like, no, no, no. The reason that you identify with that is if you are an asshole, you bet. Yeah. It's a little bit of self consciousness coming out. Yeah. And like obviously later on, there are instances of TV characters, even like J. Jonah Jameson who are obviously well, yeah, that's 100%. This is not in 2003. They were not. Alex was not that big

that he would be something worth satirizing. Yeah, but there is already like a like sort of an image of a pirate radio host and like this did exist in the zeitgeist before Alex. C-Lab 2021 had an episode where Captain Murphy was a pirate radio host. It wasn't about Alex Jones. They had an episode where it was radio. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, there's a there's something that predates Alex and Alex is just pretending it's all about himself because he's a sad, sad man who never really grew past the point where he should be doing PSAs about credit cards. Right. Honestly. Well, you know, being narcissistic about the level of fame you want, not about the level of fame you have, you know what I'm saying? That's why. Yeah. That'll get you

to the top. So anyway, a caller calls in and describes the episode of Malcolm in the middle. What is happening? And Alex is trying to make this really important. Okay. Okay. You realize how serious this is, people. Serious. Let's go back to Mitch in Indiana. So Mitch, you saw this episode, the pathetic, mindless father figure, the woman slaps him around. His kids make fun of him. He's the idiot. Again, Fox always has that message. So good. What else happened on the show? Well, I guess he had that radio transmitter from his college days. So and they were cleaning out the garage for a garage sale and he happened to come about it. So that's how he got set up in the business again. Be more granular. Stop sign and

rich people were putting that stop sign there because it was at the end of their driveway for their golf course. Is Alex going to end up liking this episode? Well, he he was talking about that on the radio about how the I guess like class warfare or whatever. And I don't know. Yeah, it was pretty, it was pretty wacky. Black van pulls up and grabs him. And what do they say to on the men in black? What do they say? Well, about using violation as far as I can regular, he was a violation of CC rules. So basically we have a TV ad against Patriots and a TV ad in in this stupid sitcom to break down the family against micro transmitters. I mean, this is how out of control it's getting. Thanks for the call, man. It's remarkable to think that

people feel like folks like Alex can't take a joke. Yeah. And this isn't even a joke directed at him. Really? No, no, no. This is so fucking stupid. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a that's a radio show where you call in to your grandma and explain movies to her. Right. And Alex is talking about let's be clear. He's talking about an episode of Malcolm in the middle. He has not seen not seen this caller has seen and Alex is very seriously asking him. What do the men in black say to the father? Yes. Yes. Again, let's get some dialogue again to try and make a big deal out of struggling to find out why this is being treated as though it actually happened. Slow news day, baby. He's like, listen, tell me what the men in black said in the TV show that

we were watching that I didn't want that I didn't see what someone wanted the men in black say that someone emailed me about that I have third hand information of Jesus. Wow. What a petty loser. Yep. Oh my God. So Alex has a guest. I'm glad he grew up in the intervening 20 years. Yeah, definitely. It's great. So Alex has two guests on the show. One of them is Jack Mclam, who's a guy who started the police against the New World Order organization. Sure. And he's like a big Patriot figure and his interview is meaningless and I don't really care about it. Right. But he does bring up that he hasn't been a cop since 1986 when he retired because he got injured in 1986 and that he says it's 22 years prior, but it's 17 years prior. Sure. So I don't know what

the discrepancy is there, but he says 22 multiple times five years is a difference. So he was born in 1945. And so that means that he retired from the police at 41 years old. Yeah, I believe. Yeah. You know, maybe give or take a year and he was in the military. So he was only a cop for like 10 years probably. Yeah. And it had been over 17 that he'd been a weirdo conspiracy theorist cashing in on this career. Right. Right. I always thought like this guy was like somebody who had decades on the force now and then retired with like this expertise and how everything works within the police department. Right. No, he was a cop for 10 years, maybe. Right. Like, I know that's not a like a short time, but it's it's not stolen Valor, but it's it's you borrowed

without asking Valor. Here's a problem. Here's a problem with that is it appears that he was probably a cop for a very short time, got injured on the job and then has received a pension for the past 50 goddamn years with which he has run a weird to destroy the very country that pays him. Yeah. So interview isn't that interesting, except for the fact that I was like, wait, this math is strange. Yeah. I had always thought that he was a cop much more recently than 1986. Oh man, back in my day, we used to only follow hunches. That was our policy. Man, I saw this episode of Malcolm in the middle about a cop who retired 17 years. Wait, hold on. Wait a second. So his other guest is this guy. So we talked about this on a 2003 episode a couple back.

The policy analysis market was this thing that the DOD was putting together where they would have experts who could bet on right the idea of future things that could happen. Right. Like foreign leaders who would be deposed, things like that. It was a market-based approach to trying to predict trends. Right. It was not a thing where people could make millions of dollars in Swiss bank accounts, but that's the way Alex has covered it. Two Democratic senators were really mad about this and so they brought attention to it and the project was canceled before it even began. Right. What I think you mean to say is that honorable, far-right patriots came together and their voices were loud enough that those two Democratic senators were drowned out,

but they still stopped the bill anyway. That's the story that would probably be told in coming years. However, Alex has a guy on who has created a parody of the policy analysis market. Well, now we're golden. Yeah. So Bob Ostertag is our guest. Bob Ostertag. Serious about this. They're starting the American Action Market and basically they save the Pentagon, DARPA, convicted felon run insider trading betting parlor website. And they've turned it around to what it really is betting on where the U.S. government will carry out fair next, who they will invade next, what dictators about to go off the CIA payroll and will be attacked next. So it's very, very interesting. I'm sure you heard about the

betting parlor that we're going to have on dead Americans, what U.S. city will be new, where smallpox will be released in the next year. Oh, hey, guess what? I think this didn't get off the ground either. But even if it did, how does this not have the exact same problem that you're complaining about the DoD for doing or DARPA for doing? If you're somebody who's betting on, hey, the government's going to pull a false flag at X, Y, or Z place, I'm going to bet a million dollars on it. What's stopping you from doing it? Can't you just do that terrorist attack then and cash in on it? Sure. Doesn't this have the same stupid problem that Alex is identifying? Yeah. Yeah. You know, when you bring it up like that, it makes sense. But on the other hand,

how about we score minor political points for no reason on something that won't happen? And it isn't happening. Yeah, exactly. I think you've been discussing this, how the project is closed. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But there is an issue about how odds are set, you know, like, okay, but who the bookmakers are? Exactly. Okay, that's actually a really good question. So this is the bookie. The guest does explain that. Okay. I mean, I wonder who's going to set the odds because it's almost guaranteed they're going to attack somebody else during the election. Well, they said they are and we got PNAC documents. The odds will be set up like a horse race. So the odds will be determined by how many people bet in which direction.

So for example, if you want to bet on which country we're going to attack next and 1,000 people bet $100 each on Iran and 100 people bet $100 each on North Korea, then the odds will be 10 to 1 in favor of Iran. That's simple folks. That sounds like a normal thing to do. Well, you see, this will actually produce what the Pentagon said they hoped to get. Yeah, because the odds will deter the odds that any given moment will reflect the collective wisdom of the people who are participating in the market as to what the United States is going to do next. This is entirely stupid because it actually does the opposite. It cuts out the entire point of the policy analysis market, which was it would only be open to people who have expertise.

And then it would be a market-based trend forecaster in theory based on people who have expertise and a lot of knowledge around policy issues, around foreign relations issues. By opening it up to people who are just looking to gamble or whatever. That's the insane thing to do. You have basically taken it and added a randomness to the information that you'd be able to derive from it. Now, secondarily, the issue that you have with this is like, what country are we going to attack next? North Korea or Iran? You have a bunch of people betting on it. What if it's neither? What happens then? Does the house get the money? Of course. And obviously there's a big like the house gets something. Naturally. They get a taste. Of course. Otherwise,

what's the point of running the mic? So the entire thing really, if you look at it, is this guy doing an ad for his gambling operation. Yeah. He's essentially a grift. Yes. What are you talking? This is one of those so stupid ideas that you have to stop somebody before they start trying to talk about it. Because they are trying. You can see clearly him see him like a horse race. He's trying to explain it to himself in a way that doesn't sound incredibly stupid. And Alex's only response is that's a normal thing to do. That sounds like a normal thing to do. What is happening? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, here's what we're going to do. Like, that's another thing with the original policy, with the original PAM. It's like,

that is only something that incredibly smart people would think up to avoid doing the thing that they already know is the actual solution. If you wanted to do good stuff for everybody, you could, but that doesn't make you personally as much money. So let's try a market-based idea of how to figure out whether or not a war is going to happen. Let's not fight wars. Right. And it may not be necessarily if a war is going to happen, but regions where there's the most likely place that outbursts happen or hot spot. But like, I think that, I think that actually this caller does really highlight or not call her. It feels like a caller, but he's a guest. Yeah. It does highlight how bad of an idea this is as a whole. Yeah. But the policy analysis market

itself makes sense somewhat because, well, it makes sense in theory, in concept. Yes. Yes. That's a better way of putting it. In practice, it may not, but it only makes sense because of the restricted user pool. It doesn't make sense. Right. Based, the version that Alex is covering and reporting, the fake version of it, where it's like a get rich scheme for, for people who have inside information or whatever, that doesn't make sense. Yeah. And presenting it as an open gambling market for people, like it does reveal how dumb, yeah, dumb this is. Yeah. There's, it's not a short squeeze. It's a war squeeze. All the people who bet against the war lost are the, yeah, whatever. And if Alex's whole point too is that it's distasteful, like, isn't this,

and that's why I'm going to bring this guy on here to take your money in a different way. I just don't understand. No, that's absurd. So anyway, this episode, like I said, thin, thin, it's light, quite thin. He's not bringing too much beyond Malcolm in the middle. No, not a lot going on. And honestly, you know, with the waiting for Alex to show up, I thought he would be back. And so, you know, that was a bit disappointing. That PSA was, you know, certainly coming into my life. It's pretty exciting, beautiful. And yeah. So we said we would have a Wednesday episode and I did. We did. We did. Unlike Alex Jones promising to be back. We deliver. Right. Exactly. Because I had backup travel plans. I chartered a helicopter to get

to my own apartment. Exactly. That's the way you get it done. That's sitting in Belarus business hiding out, trying to record another PSA. Shouldn't smoke dead wax sons. Right. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back on Friday with, I guess, maybe Alex will see what happens on Friday. If not, anticipate. If not, we'll have something that's a little thicker than Alex complaining about Malcolm in the fucking middle. But until then, Jordan, we do indeed. It's knowledge, right.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed, Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I hope you all have the wonderful, dreamy, creamy summer. And now here comes the sex robot.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.