Knowledge Fight - #701: June 23, 2004

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan go to a date in the past to fulfill a special request.  In this installment, Alex interviews Randy Weaver, tells a bizarre story about high school days, and promotes Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a Christian. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. No, no, no, no. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back knowledge, right? I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Damn Jordan, Jordan, quick question for you, sir. What's up? But your right spot tennis trying to preempt you. That would have been great. That would have been

fantastic. I've seen a lot of tweets about tennis. And so I figured I would try and get it out in front of it. That wasn't my bright spot, but whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was great. It was a good morning. It was good. It was a good tennis morning. In reality, my bright spot is over this weekend, made a rare public appearance. Yes. Outside of my apartment. I was able to. I was invited to Jared Holt's wedding for the show, Jared Holt. It was a very nice time. It was lovely. I have not been to a wedding in a very long time. COVID also a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And so it was a nice time in a botanical garden. Wonderful. So it was always nice to see people in love. Why are you laughing? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There's nothing funny about that. It is

always nice to see people in love. No, it's just that it's nice. It's not the silly about using. Yeah. What about you? What's your words? What? My bright spot is yesterday. I dropped my partner off at the airport. And later on, she landed. Well, the landing is completely fine. I like the everything was fine. My bright spot is I went to somebody's wedding and your bright spot is my wife left me. She left me and all the magical spells I kept to keep her here. They they're only proximity based. Dan, I don't know if she's going to care after this. Well, they also maybe these spells helped her plane land safely. So you can, you know, yeah, no, it was it is interesting because it was basically like that. It was the closest I'll get to sending a child to summer camp. I was like,

okay, do you have all your stuff? Is everything packed and ready? Are you going to be okay? Don't miss me too much. You know that whole thing. Do you have an emergency number? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm ready. But yes, she's happy. Having a great time and I'm alone. So it's good news for everybody. Hey, all right. So Jordan, today we got an episode to do. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of stuff going on in the present day. Certainly we have the situation in Sri Lanka. Naturally. We've got the Abe assassination. Yep. Yep. But I got to be honest. Japan and Sri Lanka are not countries that are that important to Alex in the past. It is strange. They have not been major movers and shakers within globalist conspiracies. And I don't particularly care

what his take on any of it is. Yeah. Or at least I'm not like in a mad dash to find out. Yeah, I'm fine without that. Yeah. I mean, what are you going to say? It's all an attack on the globalists, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the only interesting thing I would be like, what's his take on the homemade gun? Is that the, is he fine with homemade guns or those against the rules because they take money away from honest, hardworking gun manufacturers? I think that his take would have to, I think I've heard him talk about like 3D printing and stuff. He has to be in favor of it. Yeah. He would have to. Yeah. Because otherwise you would be like making a commercial necessity for the existence of your right to defend yourself. Does seem to be

the case. Can one craft a spear out of a stick for self-defense? Yes, you can. You don't need to buy a sword or a spear. You can make a shiv. Sure. Sure. That's, I suppose. This is the second event. That is an interesting conversation that I think the Supreme Court will eventually get to. Undoubtedly. It's coming soon. Yeah. So it turns out that I made a little bit of a mistake. So Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela effect sent me a message. Sure. I don't know. I don't have a name on this person. I also don't have a name on their son. Sure. But they reached out and asked that we do an episode for their son's 18th birthday. Naturally, which was June 23rd. That was yesterday. I mean, it's next week. We're recording this on June 22nd. Nope. Nope. We're going to do this.

We're going to pull it off, Dan. We're recording this on June 22nd. I don't know when it'll be released. We're not. We got to own up to it. Okay. All right. Anyway, Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela effect reached out with plenty of time in advance. Maybe too much time in advance. Sure. And I said, I'll make a note. Obviously. I'll make a note about this. It'll happen. It's exciting. It's your son's 18th birthday in the calendar. I cannot say no to people who ask me to do things. You really can't. And so I did make a note and I lost it. I also told them to send a message to remind me, which they did, but it was in the inbox that is completely out of control. Oh, boy. I did not see the message. Oh, man. But hey, we're only a couple of weeks. Let's just remind

everybody. It is just the two of us in it. That means you. That means it's just you. Yeah. And sometimes look, I email and various inboxes are completely destroyed. Oh, no. I can't handle them. I can't manage them. I'm trying anyway. You're doing great. We're late. But I want to wish you happy birthday to Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela effects child. Of course. And say hey, very excited that you're going to register to vote. Very, very fun. I wish you the best. Yeah. Don't buy a gun, make one. And so we had a request to do this episode about the day that this child was born. And so this would be June 23rd, 2004. And that is what we're doing today. All right. We're going to be going over right on time. Happy 18th. Happy 18th in some days. You turned 18 just in time

for Jules to be outlawed. Welcome, boy. So this episode is actually pretty fortuitous. It's interesting that this was a randomly chosen episode based on this birthday because there's some stuff very much worth touching on here. Sure. So I'm excited about that. But I would like to give a happy birthday message in the only way we know how giving someone life is giving someone death. You could say that life is death. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Now, let's begin here on June 23rd. Here is why this is a fortuitous episode for us to cover. And also Randy Weaver is here in Austin, Texas. And I've been meaning to get him on. I just hadn't gotten around to it. He may be coming on the show as well today. Got a new book out,

of course, from the Ruby Ridge tragedy back in 1992. Yeah. Randy Weaver is Alex is saying he may be coming on the show. Right. He, of course, is the father involved in the Ruby Ridge standoff. Yeah. Whose wife and child were killed by by the government. Yep. Also, just a bit of a nutty guy. It's tough. It's kind of difficult sometimes to disambiguate the tragedy that happened and the mistakes, egregious mistakes in some respects that were made by the government in terms of carrying out that whole thing. And him also just being not a not a great dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, when you start one of those standoffs, it's usually not because you're in the best place. And then when the government murders your family, that usually doesn't like improve things.

You know, there's a lot of, you can't argue with that. There's a lot of really shitty stuff about him. You know, obviously, there's the fact that he was hanging out with the Aryan Nations compound that sold illegal weapons that he was probably deeply anti-Semitic. There's a picture of him that you can find where he's wearing a shirt that says just say no to the Zog. Sure. Zionist occupied government. Obviously. He had a lot of those ideologies. But again, none of that justifies killing his wife and his child. Yeah. The whole murdering their family thing is the real problem here. Like I get he's a racist piece of shit, but don't murder his family. Right. I feel like that's not complicated. And I think that as you, you know, from my understanding of it,

my looking into the events of that standoff, it's not like the government came in and they were like, ha, ha, we're going to kill your family. No, no. There's a lot of their worst case scenario situations that ended up spiraling and leading to what happened, which isn't to say that the people who did, you know, kill people should be off the hook for it. Right. Right. Just that it's not as cut and dry as the government murdered these people. Sure. Sure. Because they were anti-government or whatever. Right. Folks like Alex may want to portray it. Right. Right. Right. It wasn't a premeditated murder, but it wasn't exactly an unmeditated murder either. We've talked a bit about the Ruby Ridge situation in past episodes. And so I don't want to dwell too much on it

as like a, Hey, let's talk about this for half an hour. But it's wild to see Randy Weaver appearing on Infowars. Yeah. That's not something that I was aware happened. I didn't know that he was like somebody who would go on Infowars. I didn't know that he and Alex were acquainted. I guess I kind of assumed that in on some level, but like, I don't know if I've ever heard like, I knew that Alex had worked early on in his career to try and help rebuild the Mount Carmel Church for the Branch Davidians. Right. But I don't know if I've ever heard Branch Davidians on his show. Right. I knew that he supported Randy Weaver and, you know, the, the Ruby Ridge situation is obviously a catalyzing and radicalizing moment for a lot of the right wing. Naturally. But I didn't, I didn't know that he

would ever appeared on Infowars, which is surprising. Did he, did Randy Weaver make a ton of media appearances following like the years? No, no, no. I mean, like afterwards for sure. But like over the years, did he continue to have that? I think he probably did make a number of them, but I would assume that they'd be like, I don't know, like an ABC documentary about not like a 2020 or a right 60 minutes kind of thing. I would, I'm surprised. I'm surprised to hear him on Infowars, not because I think that his standards would be higher. Oh, no, absolutely not. Just not a great place to go. But I think that the reality is that this interview is mostly happening because Randy Weaver's got this book coming out as Alex referenced. He's on a book tour. Sure. And he does

mention the next stop on his book tour is a Mexican restaurant on some highway outside of Austin. Like it's a ways it's in Texas. Sure. And Alex can't figure out which one it is because there's multiple of this Mexican restaurant on that highway. No, come on. So they do spend a bit of time trying to figure out who's on first. You got to take a left at the exit, but it's the one with the corner that's got the fountain on it. Not that. No, not the McDonald's. It's basically that. Yeah. And so he's making an appearance at this Mexican restaurant where he's not going to give a speech, but he'll answer some questions. And then everybody's going to have a nice dinner. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then also, I guess, calling into Infowars is part of the book tour. I'm

surprised his book tour was not so successful that I found out about it because this Mexican restaurant situation seems very promising towards us for the career. Man, I think I'd go to a book event at a Mexican restaurant and get some, I could get a burrito and hear about I ran. I ran right wing politics. I ran an open mic out of a Mexican restaurant for a long time. So yeah, I've been there, but didn't go well. Didn't go well. Didn't go well. I imagine this book event didn't either. Anyway, I've completely ruined the surprise that he does end up showing up because Alex saying he's trying to get him on. Sure. Sure. He does in fact appear and we'll, we'll get to that interview, which is wild. I believe that I'm overselling it. It's,

there's, there's a couple of things that are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. But wild might be a might be a stretch. Okay. So Alex is mad at the ADL. Good. You'll never guess why. Oh, I don't know. The ADL urges Texas DOP to modify party platform calling America a Christian nation. And you better do it. I would imagine the Christian coalition in Texas will agree. We don't want to be anti-Semitic. I mean, to say your Christian is basically anti-Semitic now and some things sarcastic here folks, but that's what I mean. Man, what, when are these people going to stop? I mean, when are these people going to stop? I mean, that is an interesting way to be like, we don't want to be anti-Semitic now. Sarcastic, obviously. I mean, no, the part

where I, the part where I was making, wait, no, anyways, these people are, wait, well, no, no. Oh boy. Yeah. That's, that's a mess. And then the other thing too is that like the obvious conflation that's going on is, is, is shameful. And that is that the complaint is the Texas GOP part of their platform is that America is a Christian nation. Right. That is troubling for groups that are non-Christian because that's basically saying like, this country is about us, not you. We own this nation and we allow you to live here. Exactly. Yes. And Alex is conflating that with the idea of saying that your Christian is anti-Semitic. Yeah. Which is not at all what anybody is, is asserting. He's using this sarcasm in order to

create a straw man to argue against because the actual position and the actual complaint that's being made is something that he actually, he can't argue against. No, no, no. I mean, the fun part is that just because you say something in a sarcastic tone does not mean that you are also admitting that it is true. You know, like, oh, I like to see the sun outside. Like, no, you do. Why, I don't know, understand why you're being sarcastic about that. You don't like Jews. Thank you. One of the things that I think you're going to see, and I noticed on this episode in particular, is that that is one of his like major rhetorical tactics. Yeah. Is this sarcasm being used to create a straw man version of an argument that he, like it's the only way out for him. Yeah.

There's no other real tactic that he can use. Yeah. So he covers a story. This is one of the big stories of the day. And I honestly think like, all right, this is an annoyance, but I don't really know if this is like Alex thinks this is police state shit. Here's another police state article, then I'll get into the giant fleet actions that are going on right now. And all the torture news and the censorship news, it's, it's, it's Legion. But before I do that, here's an AP article out of Miami, associated press, a shackled teacher's aide tried to explain her predicament to a judge through tears Friday. And again, every day I see multiple articles, I have several like this today. Vacationing from River Riverton, Wyoming, Hope Clark said she had been rousted by

federal agents at her cruise ship cabin door at 6 30 a.m. She was put in handcuffs and a bench warrant for failing to put away her marshmallows and hot chocolate while staying at Yellowstone National Park last year. The catch. Park said she had to pay a $50 fine the same day for the federal offense of improper food storage before he was allowed to leave the park. Nevertheless, a warrant claiming she had not paid went into the federal law enforcement database, which she paid back in the United States from Cozumel, Mexico. On carnival's fascination cruise ship, Clark was awakened cuffed, turned over to federal marshals and brought to a court in leg shackles. See, they run your background when you sail down you face scan. Assistant U.S. Attorney

Peter Otterbridge conceded there was some discrepancies, but he but he astonished U.S. Magistrate Judge John O'Sullivan by suggesting Clark should be released to appear in court in Wyoming to clear up the warrant. O'Sullivan had a copy of her citation indicating we finally been paid. And though her time in jail more than covered the offense, even if she hadn't paid, we apologize for what happened to the judge. Clark turning to the prosecutor, he said, this is a serious matter. He wants the U.S. Attorney's office to follow up on the determination and what went wrong. Customs agents meet all cruise ships arriving from foreign ports and run random checks for warrants on passenger lists. See, and it goes on and on. So look,

I mean, obviously, if you're camping in Yellowstone or a lot of national parks, leaving food out is dangerous to other people. Yeah, you can attract bears and other animals that could cause harm to other people. And that's why it's taken seriously. Alex can minimize this, but being like, she left out marshmallows, but like you could get someone killed. Yeah, absolutely. It's something that there's a reason that rule exists. Yeah, and not just that, but it's just like the very basic level of engage with the world that you live in. If you can go to the Yellowstone National Park and carelessly throw away food as though it's nothing, then you the fuck you, you know, but don't you don't go to jail. But fuck you. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the

reason there's a fine. Now, the reality of the situation is obviously some there was some sort of miscommunication somewhere. Sure. Something happened where she paid the fine, but it didn't go into the system or something. Right. Someone made a clerical error of some sort. She went on a cruise, customs saw the warrant when she came back. And now the judge is apologizing to her and insisting that they figure out what went wrong. The prosecutor is saying, Hey, let's let her go so she can clear up this warrant. Yeah. They're like, obviously, yeah, maybe she should have some sort of restitution from the state. Like here's a couple thousand dollars for your trouble or something. Something we fucked up. Yeah. But this isn't police state shit. This is

an unfortunate circumstance. I obviously feel for her. I think that it's annoying to be caught up in something like this. Sure. This isn't that big. Why is this a big story for him? Right. Right. Right. Well, I mean, yeah, I get that at the same time, who the fuck is putting out warrants for a $50 fine? I bet it's a warrant that would never be served. Of course not. It's a warrant that would only come up if you get arrested for something else or are re entering the country. Right. So what we really have to deal with here once again is our border patrol is out of fucking control. Again, it's not border patrol. It's customs. Whatever they're out of control customs and border patrol. All right, fine. They're out of control. Even in 2004, as always, I do. I get what you're

saying. I don't think borders should exist. So of course they're out of control to me. I think this is as close to a non issue as an issue can be. I think the situation that she had, like I said, big headache. Right. Right. You're annoying. Probably puts a bad end to your vacation. Sure. Sure. But everything seems to have gone exactly right. Right. Past the point of that incident. Right. Right. And I don't understand. So I also want to point out this when Alex says it goes on and on whenever he stops reading a story and says that that means it stopped. Well, no, that's a tell. Oh, that something has come up in the reading of that story that contradicts what he'd already said. I got you because he explains while he's reading that customs sometimes runs

warrant checks on people re entering the country, even on cruise lines. Yeah. And earlier he had said they run background checks and face scan you when you go on these cruises. Sure. And he contradicted that. And that's why he's like, I'm going to bail on this before I contradict more of my editorial bullshit. Right. I got you. That makes sense. But anyway, this story, I don't know, doesn't seem, I'm not, I'm not horrified by it in terms of a police state. Yeah. I mean, it does seem like the judge should have looked at himself and then looked at them there and been like, we're here, which means somewhere in the system, any system that winds up here, we just need to fix from the start. He apologized. Exactly. The judge apologized. Exactly. And he should have dismantled

the entire legal system along with it. But that might just be me. Yeah, I think that's you. I think that might be a little too aggressive for this situation. Overcorrection. It could be, could be. So we had a movie coming out in 2004. Which movie? Well, it's a movie that Alex is excited about. Okay. But you wouldn't expect that. I am legend. Before we do that, 9 11 Fahrenheit 9 11 is coming out this Friday. And I tend to go see it. But again, Michael Moore tells the truth about a few issues, only covers a small area of the full spectrum. And then he says that you in need to take over America, at least his book, dude, where's my country that they say is just like the film says that. So he gives you a bad solution of the Democrats are going to save us

in people are going to have their eyes, though partially opened by this movie that millions of people are going to see. Interesting. And I would ask listeners, I got this idea from listeners. A lot of you have been going out and making dozens and dozens of copies in the last few weeks. And you plan to go to the local theater on opening night and stand out front and hand out some of the videos to interesting people. Now, I don't expect you to do that. If you've got the funds to make a bunch of copies of my films and do that, more power to you. But how about getting some business cards printed up? You can go to Kinko's and get a thousand of a pretty cheap printed up. Learn the truth about 9 11. The government did it.

Or 9 11 Fahrenheit 9 11 only gives you, you know, 5% of the story. Get the truth at info wars.com or prison planet.com. I like, I like that he's saying that Michael Moore gives bad solutions and all of his solutions that, you know, that Alex provides are self promotion. Are you promoting Alex's shit? Yeah. Yeah. Go to these, go to the screenings of Fahrenheit 9 11 and get them to pay me, get them into my revenue stream. Right. Right. This is a perfect recruitment ground. Right. Right. Right. So, so, so what's going to happen? Okay. So Michael Moore is like, we need to let the Democrats take over America. That's a terrible idea. He gives bad solutions. Right. We all know that. But what you should do is go to an actual business and ask for

them to print up business cards for a place you are unaffiliated with in order to give a message to someone who has never wanted to hear it and then give them a business card that they're going to throw away. So he is asking you to politely throw dollar bills at a stranger and the stranger could have at least used a dollar bill. Well, with the hopes of getting them into Alex's information space, right? Infowars.com on a dollar bill. You're going to do a lot better than if you print up a goddamn business card. I bet a lot of people did do that. They always do that. Yeah, that is true. They do that. Bill marketing. Yeah. Yeah. I think that what's going on is essentially this is like trying to escalate a premise. Yeah. Like, you know, you have the

premise that's introduced by Fahrenheit 9 11 and then Alex is asking people to go around and yell not only that, but at all of these people that's annoying and also it's counter to Alex's like very consistent positions about Michael Moore about how much he hates it. Right. Right. All this. It's like, oh, he's useful right now. Right. Because 9 11 is my brand and he's allowed in theaters. Right. And it is a little bit like if Alex went to a Alex was like, Hey, listen, go to this Marvel movie and whenever they play the end credit scenes, bust in with your DVD of our post credit scenes. No, no, no, no, you mean end game? Yeah. Right. Right. Avengers end game. Colin Avengers. Yeah, that's the sequel. Yeah.

It would kind of be like if Brian Stelter made a movie about COVID and then Alex wanted people to promote at the movie. Yeah. He's like, you know, Brian Stelter tells you half the truth. Listen, we've had a lot of disagreements in the past, but this is going to partially wake up a lot of people. Fine. I can I can somehow profit off this. So go to see it. Everything I believe is malleable and negotiable. Now, what's wild is Alex ends up actually even playing the trailer Fahrenheit 9 11. Christ, because people are going to come out of there wanting to do something wanting to get involved. Think of the UN's the answer thinking the Democrats are going to save them. You know, thinking Ralph Nader is going to save them. And you can go, Hey, here's a film that exposes

Bush and Clinton that gives you the big picture. Do you want to come out of the matrix? But again, I just wanted to air this one more time. This is the last time. Here's the trailer for Fahrenheit 9 11. It's pretty good trailer and you can watch it at prisonplanet.tv. By the way, but here it is. It's a pretty good trailer. It's a pretty good trailer. So what is going on is just Alex recognizes the radicalization potential. There's going to be a certain amount of people who go see this movie that are emotionally affected and in a vulnerable state when they leave the theater. And that is an inflection point. That is a point where they're malleable enough that you can get them to think like, Oh, what if what if the planes were remote controlled? Yeah, that's why that's why cults

recruit at bus stations. When you get off a bus, you're ready to join a cult. That's just the case for everybody. You're in an emotionally weakened state. Yeah, you got no choice. You're raw. You just want to get away from whatever's in the bus now, essentially. So leaving all that behind us. Alex's recruitment drive. We get to something that I think is one of the great things about listening to Alex in the past. And that is we get these little slices of life, these little pictures and glimpses into what his life was like early on. Sure, sure. And he makes a claim about his high school years. I don't think this is possibly true. I want to make a couple points on psychological testing of children in schools. About 12 years ago, I discovered that my school district was doing

psychological testing in a classroom setting under the guise of counseling. Yeah, I was graduating from high school 13 years ago, folks. And you know, I'm just in my early 30s. And they, but they, all the seniors had to do it hours after hours of electrodes and TV screens. And my parents were never even told, go ahead. Every senior at his high school got clockwork orange. Oh man, that is nuts. We get ronson on the phone. He interviewed everybody in his fucking high school. Ronson, we need you. I feel like that might have come up. Send up the ronson signal. I think unless he went to a completely wacky high school, which he didn't, this absolutely did not happen. He didn't go to a high school. Hours upon hours of electrodes and

TV screens. He was in Stranger Things. He went to that high school. He was there with 11. He wasn't, he wasn't going to these regular high schools. They had every single. That's where all the abortions were had. Every single senior had their eyes pried open and they had to watch flashing screens. That's why I can't listen to Beethoven. He partially opened a well on people's eyes though. A lot of glimpses into Alex's life provided on this episode. Here's another one about a friend of Alex's dad that he met when he was 18. My dad as a friend is a federal marshal. He's retired now. He was like one of the head federal marshals in Texas. And I was in college freshman and I said, yeah, I don't know what to be. I mean,

I'm not going to military. I might be a police officer. I want to fight evil people. I might, you know, be a school teacher. He said, look, Alex, you're not a criminal. Are you? The guy, the big old tall, you know, handsome guy gray hair. He almost had a tear in his eyes. I said, Alex, don't unless you're a criminal. You're not even going to go high in things unless you're a criminal. I mean, I mean, this is my business back when I was a naive, you know, 18 years old at my dad's office. None of this matches Alex's other bio things. Like he had a vision from God when he was four that told him all this future stuff. And let's not forget that his dad had to move from Rockwall because Alex got in trouble with the police that he insisted were selling drugs

in a racketeering operation and they threatened to kill Alex if they didn't leave town. He's not naive at 18. Yeah. This is bullshit. Yeah. I kind of believe, I believe this story in so far as it would make sense as to why he's committed himself to a life of grifting and crime that way. If he's like, you're never, listen, don't become a school teacher. You're going to be broke. What you should do, grift millions of dollars from people. Duh. Right. Be a criminal if you want to succeed in the law enforcement. Also, if you just want to be a criminal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be a criminal. And that's the way to do it legally because they haven't outlawed it yet. Yeah. This story is bullshit when considered in the context of Alex's,

all of his other stories. Also, if he's 18, this is the point where Alex's dad is telling him, stop killing my grandkids. Stop killing my grandkids. So how naive is he at this point? Yeah. Also, if he is having this conversation and the guy says, are you a criminal? Alex legally has to say, yeah, you better believe it. I've murdered multiple people. I am 100% a criminal. I commit a lot of crimes in this time period of my life. About six months ago, I smoked crack on a beach and I pressured this woman into having abortion. She was 16, you know, like a crime. Also, I stopped a guy's guts in and watched him die slowly, you know, like a crime. Also, I love this, this just consistent thing with Alex that is everybody who he runs into or his friends

with his dad or whatever. They're the highest level. Oh yeah. He's the top ranger of federal Marshall in Texas. Nobody's ever just like a middle manager at a bank. No, he's the top dentist. He's the top federal Marshall, top oil producers in the university. Obviously. Oh yeah. So the top person who was, I don't know actually how you would rank people involved in Ruby Ridge, but Randy Weaver is probably the most famous. I would put him as number one. Yeah. He's a prestigious member of that event. Yeah. And he's on now. Oh boy. And so here we go. Randy Weaver here in Austin, Texas. Good to have you on with us. Thanks, Alex. Glad to be here. And what's new under the sun, huh? Yeah, what's new under the sun? I mean, accelerated evil. We were about to break the next

three minutes just in a nutshell. Your unique perspective. What do you see the new world order as being up to? What do you think is most important right now? And what do you think are going to blow something up to take more of our liberties? Well, what's most important right now is probably what was important to him 10 years ago. And that's the one world government and makes slaves out of all this peon. So it's important to remember that when he talks about one world government, he's probably signaling to some anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Yeah. And Alex has every reason to know that if he has any acquaintance with the world of Ruby Ridge and that entire story, he knows what Randy believes. Actually, I suspect that on some levels,

Alex doesn't know a whole lot about what Randy believes based on things that happen later in this interview. But we'll get there when we get there. I think Alex has very much created a Randy Weaver in his mind. And that Randy Weaver believes what Alex believes. And yeah, those two she'll never meet. Right. And I imagine that Alex heard Bill Cooper talking about Randy Weaver in Ruby Ridge and that sort of flipped some switches in his head. Yeah. In many ways, Ruby Ridge at this time is already lore. It's already not even a real event so much as it is the story of the event. Sure. And I think a lot of that happened because of that and then Waco and then the Oklahoma City bombing being inspired in some ways because of those events. Right. It does become a larger arc

that these, a lot of the specifics lose their importance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's part of a three, a three P. You know, you don't remember Horace Grant's contributions in 1991. You know, you just remember Robert Ory. Just remember that Ory. Big shot. So here's another thought that Randy has. Well, you've experienced it. What do you want to say to the police, the general public, the people out there in denial, Randy? There are days coming and it's going to be too late when it happens and they're going to be sorry. There's going to be a lot of tears in bloodshed and they really should get the fence setters. Better get off the fence and join our side and police officer that if he has any conscience at all, he better get out, get out and join

our side. But you can't make it as a police officer unless you're a criminal. Wow. Wow. But then also with all due respect, I'm not going to join your side. No. Thank you very much. No. I mean, is Randy Weaver about to read from the Turner Diaries on air? Is that what's about to happen? He doesn't get that far. That's not the book he's on tour for. Gotcha. Gotcha. So Alex talking about how everybody at his school got clockwork orange. Sure. It's part and parcel of this weird narrative he has about the government forcing everybody to get on antipsychotics, which he talks about here a little bit. All right. Eight minutes and 15 seconds into the second hour we'll get into the government saying we're going to test every child and then adult forcibly for

mental illness. The government will decide if you're mentally ill and then forcibly drug you with antipsychotics specifically. They say at least 15% of us will be need to be put on it immediately. As we know, this happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the government years later. Yeah. Now, everybody is forcibly drugged with anti-psychotics. People who get diagnosed with conditions that could be helped by antipsychotics aren't even forced to be on them. Nope. Nope. This is ridiculous. Yeah. They have, they have as of yet not eliminated either droogs or milk. Both of those still in full supply. I, for quite a while, I mean, full disclosure, I'm on antidepressants, but like for a very long time, I was kind of reticent not because I think they

didn't work, but because I was just, you know, going along with talk therapy and such, but I had diagnosed conditions and I wasn't taking meds that would have no one pressured me in any way. No, that's the weirdest part. All too often, I remember is like, you could easily not be on meds. Somebody should have pressured me at some point in time. Why was nobody pressuring me? Right. You know, like at least be like, Hey, maybe try him. I would have, I would have been fine with that. Hey, maybe try him. Nobody even gave me that. Yeah. It's so weird. The reality of mental health as compared to the version of it that exists in Alex's head. Yeah. This, like they're going to test everybody as if it were to even possible to test everybody.

There's a diagnosis is not like, you can't just take blood and be like, Oh, you're depressed. Yeah. You know, it's not like it doesn't work that way. No, it's, uh, yeah. I mean, it's been, I'm not going to, this is not a plug or nothing, but the other thing that I've been doing on Friday is I've been talking to people, uh, outside of our show and their experiences with mental illness and how you can plug. I don't want to do this. It's gross. Jordan watches magicians. Sure. Sure. It was a great idea. Um, but no, it's really, really interesting because everybody's story around this, regardless of whether or not they've had a diagnosis or whether they're just like suspicious or they've done talk therapy or tried everything, all unique and none of it has ever

been like, people were clearly helping me get the help I need. I bet that does exist for some people, but yeah, it's probably, it's an incredibly uncommon thing. Yeah. It's difficult. You have to search for it. Yeah. Yeah. And also I think that there's an under understood, um, aspect of this, particularly for people like Alex, that is it's a, it's an active process. Like if you're not engaging with it and working, uh, it often will not, uh, lead to any kind of progress necessarily. Right. Um, yeah. And I just think it's, it's silly. Like what Alex is saying is silly. The fact that anybody would listen to him yell about how the government's going to forcibly screen everybody somehow for mental illness and then forcibly drug everyone with anti-psychotics

is, is ludicrous. I mean, anybody listening to this should be like, what the fuck is this guy's problem? This is obviously about something else. You know, it's not, it's not real. Yeah. Then the fact that this is from 2004 gives me zero hope for, for a, what 2040, not, not feeling good about the future. We have the exact same kinds of attacks on psych meds going on now. Every time there's a masher, empty G in the present. And Alex of course is still banging this drum, although he's clearly has no real ground to stand on, no real foot. Imagine if at this time period in 2004 he's banging the drum for people getting help for more people getting the fucking help that they need. Well, I'm going to just say this and I can't prove this obviously, but it's a working theory

of mine. And that is the reason that people like Alex and Marjorie are so opposed to mental health care is because a large part of their base probably needs fake pills or they need some kind of, they wouldn't probably be in these communities if they were receiving appropriate mental health care. Yeah, you know, they would lose their audience and the market that they make money off of were people to take their health series. Right. I mean, you know, somehow that sounds cynical. You know, the idea that these people are willing to, I mean, perpetuate and exploit pain of people who give them their trust implicitly and totally. You know, that's cynical. I'm going to go even worse. I think that they think that mass shootings are

good for business. So how cynical are we going to treat this? Well, I think I can join you slightly as long as we provide the caveat that I don't think any of that is a conscious process. Right. I don't think it necessarily is a thought that like shootings are good for our politics. I don't think that Alex or Marjorie are like, ha, let's attack psych meds because people in our audience need them and we would lose money if people got healthier. I don't think that it's a conscious thing, but I think on some level, that is part of the motivation. There's some sort of intuitive understanding of that. Yeah. I don't think they're in like a lounge with a fireplace with snifters of Brandy going, how can we destroy the, you know, but it's there. I think it, in

some ways it is there. Yeah. So Alex gets back to this story about the woman who left Marshmallows out at Yellowstone and wants to get Randy Weaver's take on this. Burn down the cruise ship. What's Randy Weaver's take gonna be? It's not good. And Randy, I wanted to get your take on this Associated Press article. A woman, no criminal record, school teacher, was at Yellowstone National Park and left some Marshmallows at her camping site. She was, while she was hiking, she came back, there was a park ranger there, gave her a $50 ticket. She paid it. She has the slimp that she paid it. But a year later, she was SWAT-teamed and then taken in front of a federal magistrate. And then she produced the fact that she had paid the fine. But the point is,

if they'll send a federal SWAT team, a federal marshals, for not paying a Marshmallow fine, which she did fine. I mean, this is the new freedom, is it not? You know, I didn't see that article, but it is so ridiculous, the stuff they pull anymore. One of the first things I tell people to do, Alex, is to get their gun, get it loaded, and keep it with them. And if somebody wants to come and give you a $50 ticket for a Marshmallow litter or whatever, I'm afraid I tell him to take his Marshmallows and his ticket and get out of my face real quick. Yeah, it seems like a great idea. Threaten this ranger with a loaded gun for trying to get a ticket for leaving food out, which could attract bears and other animals and be a danger to other people enjoying Yellowstone

Park. If that's your solution for a $50 ticket. It's quite a solution. I don't know if I want to hear your solutions for any other problems. I feel like they're all very similar variations on one idea. Here's the scene that plays out in Randy's head. Hey, here's a ticket you left food out. Stick them up, Ranger. What? Walk away. Escalate it a little too quick. Walk away. Honestly, I was going to give you a warning if you pushed back too hard, but damn. Yeah, now you're under arrest for a massive felony of threatening a ranger with a loaded weapon. And that's when we find out all forest rangers can control animals. And there we go. Yeah, Randy's advice is, hey, let's escalate this into a thing where everyone is now in danger. Could just be a warning and a

small ticket for something that you did that is against the rules. And now we're turning it into a life or death situation with loaded weapons involved. Randy, are you seeing this article? This woman, she went to a fast food restaurant and asked for no mayonnaise and then she got mayonnaise. Can I get your take on this real quick? Well, this is why I tell everyone to keep it gone and keep it loaded. That's what he would say. Just always, just always have a loaded gun. I mean, if you're camping at Yellowstone, you're agreeing to the conditions of that. Like, you are in the wrong if you eat food out. I mean, this is one of those big moments where I would like everybody to understand you are less important than Yellowstone Park. As an individual,

I am more concerned with Yellowstone Park in the long term. That's just the truth. And you exist in the conversation of the park. You exist within the context of the other people that are there. You have a responsibility both to the nature and to everyone else who has just as much of a right to enjoy it as you do. And yeah, I don't, I don't understand this being presented as tyranny as much as it is just a formulation of making sure everyone is respectful to each other. Like obviously it would be great if you didn't have to worry about people leaving stuff out, but you do need to punish it in some ways or else people will forget and they'll just leave food out and everybody's going to get eaten by bears. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is like,

can you imagine if Narnia had tourists, it'd just be garbage everywhere. People throwing garbage at Mr. Tumnus's face. Like that's the way I've always thought of natural parks is like literally I'm going into a magical place. Well, if they allowed tourists, they might get something better than Turkish delight. So maybe there's an upside. That's true. So this, this spirals out of control and Randy reveals something that Alex really doesn't want him to. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have paid the ticket, but didn't the founding fathers fight so that we could be put in shackles for leaving our campsite and then coming back to it with our marshmallows on the table? Yeah, that's a, well, yeah, you tell them about it. I mean, it's, it's scary. You know what's

scary is these people, I think they're aliens. I don't, I don't, I didn't grow up with people that think the way they do. Yeah, that's a good, good. Alex, I believe in UFOs. I've seen UFOs. People think I'm nuts or not. I've seen, I've seen them since the first one I saw for sure was a freshman in high school. So you go along with David Ike, you think Bush and all them are reptoids from planet 12? I don't know if it's not. I'm sure they act like it. Alex is really wanting this to look like a joke or a metaphor, but it is not not what he was hoping with that. That, that conversation turned the wrong direction so fast for him. Yep. Alex is at this point still trying to brand himself as different from the David Ike and UFO type alien because he wants that,

that like credibility of like, like how Tucker for a long time or even just this week was like, Hey, this isn't Alex Jones shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you want that like to distinguish yourself from something that is a touchstone that everyone can agree is silly. That's too crazy. And so for Alex at this point, it's the alien stuff. It's like, no, I talk about documents and the Bilderberg group. Yep. And yeah, he doesn't want Randy Weaver, this large figure of the Patriot right wing movement to be on his show talking about how he's seen UFOs a bunch since he was a kid, and he believes in aliens and maybe that the people in charge are actually aliens. Yeah. Alex has to pretend that it's a metaphor or a joke and it's not. You can't, you know, if you're

blindsided by it, you can't turn it around until it's too late. You know, the moment he said, people don't think like that, the way people think differently, they're aliens from when I was growing up, you're like, okay, that's fine. That sounds really, you know, people are different. And then he's like, they're aliens. And you're like, ha, ha, ha, it's too late. No, no, no, no, no, no, nothing I can do now. No, no, no, no, I disagree. I disagree. Because if he says, you know, man, you know, I was, they're not like when I grew up, I think they're aliens. You're, you need to immediately say, ha, ha, you said it, my man. And then be like, Randy, do you get out to the woods? Oh, you wanted to really, you wanted him to really T bone that conversation with a semi truck

towards how's, how's the kids been? Oh, shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, not like that. Just shift the conversation into some, I'm not saying talk about. No, I understand. But yes, you have to pivot the conversation right hard, right? Because you can, it's so silly for you to allow it to go into like, I've seen UFOs my whole life. Right, right. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. So Alex really wants this to look like a joke. Well, so you're that type of person like George Washington, and though that doesn't think you're a slave. And that's right. I mean, what's wrong with you? Don't you don't you want to lick boots? No, I'm nuts. I am crazy. You know, we are the nutty ones, Alex. Accept the fact and be proud of it. I am.

Take a laugh. You're certainly going at it with the UFO comment. You're funny. This is a great to have a Randy Weaver on with us. Okay, now it's not joking. Doesn't have the chops for that yet. No, he has the like Randy is being like facetious and sarcastic with the yeah, we're the crazy ones. Sure. Sure. But he wasn't about the alien stuff. No, no, no, no. Alex is trying to conflate all of it as joking and no, but you know, he gets off the subject with as little damage as possible, I guess. Yeah. But it does look bad. I just, I mean, it's hard to go from what's your take on this cruise thing. Shoot people. What's things like now? Aliens are everywhere. Okay. All right. This is also my book tour is

going to be at a Mexican restaurant. We can't figure out where it is. This is a bad interview for everyone involved. And here's another really bad aspect. Oh, no. You know what, Alex? I enjoy listening to you and I don't get to very often. I even bought one of them fancy shortwave radios several years ago. And I never I still can't get the darn thing to work there in Jefferson, Iowa. I cannot pick up good speakers and talk show hosts like yourself. Is it digital? Yes, it is. Well, if you punch in 9475 during the day, believe me, you can get it in Ohio. You know, Iowa? Iowa, yes. Excuse me. Jefferson, Iowa. I'd try. I can't get hardly anything in there. 94 what? 9475. Okay. Well, I'll try it. 9475. Okay. And at night from nine to midnight at 3210.

3210. Yeah, we need to get some affiliates. I haven't had affiliates in Iowa so you can listen that way. Yeah, that'd be much better. We're on in Ohio, I guess that's the closest. I'm going to tell you what, Alex, Iowa is the deadest state as far as they don't know anything and they don't want to know anything. It's, you know, it's funny you say that because other states are more, you know, faster moving with the tyranny. But in Iowa, I talk to people and I see stuff and you're right. What's wrong with Iowa? I mean, I sure. I've enjoyed Iowa when I've been there a couple times. It's a nice state. I've never enjoyed Iowa. It's fine. It's, I've been there. I don't know why you need to fire shots at it. I don't know why you need to enjoy any state in

particular. Sure. Sure. Um, I, I should say I have been looking through Alex's current radio affiliates. I've been doing a little bit of checking in on that and I can say with confidence huge in Iowa now, zero stations in Iowa, zero stations in Ohio, so close. Ah, four letter states are not going well for Alex these days. No, neither are five Massachusetts going. That's a lot might be zero. Wait, I think he, I think there might be something like outside Boston sure not Cambridge. No, no, no, no, no, no. Um, yeah, it's he has just as much of a presence in Iowa as he did in 2004. That seems to be the case. All right. So yeah, it's it's bad all around. You got to shoot people who give you tickets at a national park. You got to talk to the aliens.

I can't figure out how to hear you on the radio and also I'm speaking at a Mexican restaurant. What a, what a smorgasbord of all the things that shouldn't be going on. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I turn on the episode and I hear Randy Weaver is going to be on. I'm like, this is huge. Yeah. This is a, this is a pretty big deal. This is a diamond in the rough we randomly stumbled across. And then the interview is like, so it's HTT P colon slash slash, wait, is which slash? Is it forward slash? And when you put in the address, you have to hit enter. All right. Don't forget to write.com. Yeah. So we've already noticed a couple times this sarcasm that Alex is using. And it really is incessant. It is essentially his only rhetorical technique.

Michael Savage calls for putting anybody in a camp that disagrees with the government. And I agree. We should submit. We should, you know, love, love the government, put our children on the trains. What's wrong with you, Randy? Well, I don't know. I just don't like small confined areas, especially if I'm locked in them, I guess. But the government is Godlike. Yeah, well, not to me, they're not. Al-Qaeda talk. Who did you hear? You know, like, I prefer verbal intercourse bantering back and forth. But if they want to get in my face with a gun, I'm going to meet gun with gun. You know what I'm saying? Well, Randy, why are you upset? I mean, you know, like, what's the government done to you? If they come to me with a gun, I'm going to respond to the

gun. Also, if they come to me with a ticket, I mean, yeah, I have a gun. You have clearly decided to respond to most things with a gun. Yeah. Not all, not all, not most of them are not guns. Yeah. So this is just kind of indicative. I think Alex uses this sort of technique a lot. Yeah. But it's over the top on this episode. It's just constant. The English teacher that I credit with helping me become a writer and doing that whole thing, he used to tell me that sarcasm was a tool of the week, to which I said sarcasm is a tool of the week. Could you be any more of a teacher? We became friends until his death. I mean, I think people use it as a way to express that they're uncomfortable without feeling like they're weak, you know? You're sounding like that teacher.

I don't mean weak in that situation. I mean, like, they're not being dominated in some way. You know, like, I'm still a person of equal standing with you, even though I feel like I'm not doing well in this situation right now, that kind of thing. Yeah. And I think there's a, it's a little easier than kind of more creative cleverness. Right. Right. All right. Anyway, Alex ends his conversation with Randy and he's plugging here, but this feels right. Before I do that, infowarnish.com, prisonplanet.com, now, prisonplanet.tv, we've uploaded Paul Watson's 300 plus page book to that yesterday. Today, my book, Descent and Terror, is going up if you're a subscriber. We have several weekly TV reports now posted on there and analysis of 1984 that I think is pretty

good. Also, all my videos are up there. We've got several other new videos by other great folks that are letting us post it going up. Sign on to prisonplanet.tv, ladies and gentlemen. 19 cents a day if you sign up for a month, 15 cents a day if you sign up for a year and your support is needed. It's a great website, great value. Instead of watching Peter Jennings every night, you can go in there and click on and read all the news articles and listen to the best radio audio interviews. I got to find that breakdown in 1984. I was just writing down. I want to see that breakdown. How long is it? What's the fuck? I'm going to spend the rest of tonight really trying to find this thing. I want to know. I want to know. And then secondly, the

bigger point here is that this is what he should be doing. He should have his website that has a subscription aspect to it, but he can't. And you know why he can't? Because no one wants to pay for this shit. No, he couldn't get people to subscribe to his content. No, because they don't want to. They want it for free. They want to passively engage with it and be like, look at this guy. He's yelling. He's yelling things I like. Right. Whatever. Maybe I'll buy a pill at some point that Alex has tricked me into thinking I need. Right. Right. It is. It is a little bit like his pill business's success is actually a reveal that his content is worthless. Yeah. And I think that, you know, I think that there's something to be said for, you know,

providing your content for free. Obviously that's something that I'm big into. And I think that Alex just wouldn't be able to get anyone to give a shit. Like he can give his stuff out for free and get enough views on it. But in terms of anybody being like, Oh yeah, I'll go in for this. I'll get a subscription to his website. Clearly doesn't move the needle. Nope. And that he couldn't do that anymore. And that's kind of sad. Yeah. Because this is the model. Yeah. This is this is the model for him. No one cares. Yeah. Because you could get everything that he says on a fucking blog somewhere. You don't need him. Nope. Nope. Nope. And you don't need his pills. What do you need from him? Why do you keep going back to him? Because you're in an abusive relationship with a

weird cult leader. Are you talking to me? You can't admit it. No, you're in a parasocial relationship with a weird cult leader. You? That's true. I thought we were in a more than subparer. Okay. So yeah, I just, I find, I find it interesting that this was there and it could have been what he does. Yeah. But it's just now pills. Yeah. And I mean, this is even after like times with gold sales and stuff, right? Like he's still, he's, he's still involved with Ted Anderson and shit. But you know, maybe he just really dreamed at this point that his content was valuable, you know, maybe this was a situation where he saw that maybe this was the model. And if he can succeed at that, which is what he's trying to do, then he can succeed. And then he realized that

his shit is shit. And so he started Hawkins shit. Yeah, it may be. Yeah, but he is still Hawkins shit. That's true. And we'll get to your calls before we do that. Another great product. We got to tell you about at least once or twice a week. And that's new millennium concepts made America top of the line water filtration purification systems and joining us from Texas is a WMRO who you will talk to when you order with this system that I use in my home and I suggest everybody so he has a water filter sponsor on, but it's the person who answers the phones. Wow. Whenever you call in, I will be the person who talks to you. Yeah. So they do a little mini infomercial. Right. Sure. There's still that. I don't know. I just think it's like obviously

if it worked, he would still be doing it. Yeah. If it made enough money, this would be the way he operated. And whether it is because it wasn't enough or because he is driven by greed. He moved on to something that made millions and millions. Yeah. I mean, it could very well be that we're leaving out the intense possibility that he was successful at this business model. I bet he was successful enough. Yeah, but not a millionaire. Right. And that is to me indicative of somebody who's not driven by the supposed mission that he claims to be on because this is a perfect way to be able to disseminate the information, have a support base that is organic from the audience and still not have your boss and not poison yourself and not poison brains with iodine

with monstrous, monstrous garbage. Yeah. And then back yourself into all kinds of weird narratives based on what you support. Yeah. That that does seem like a, you know, he was building the very walls even then that contain him now. And as Randy Weaver says, I don't like confined spaces. He doesn't. He doesn't. So Alex is another guest on. And actually this was really revelatory for me because it helped me realize why he was doing that stupid clockwork orange narrative that led into everyone's going to be forced to take anti psychotics. It's because it was all just setting the table for this guest. We're talking about putting newborn babies on anti psychotics. And when they sit there and never thrive and are vegetables,

but it'll just be covered up in the media and they'll use them for body parts, folks. We're entering hell on earth here. And last week, they say they want to electronically control the brain and they're getting FDA approval to put a wire into your brain so you're not depressed. Once the wires in your head, you'll be one of us. I mean, this is like a late night science fiction body snatcher movie. Joining us is Dr. John Breeding, waldaskolts.com's the website. And yes, I carry two of his great books on my website as well. Dr. Breeding, thanks for sitting through that diatribe as I brought folks up to speed. Well, I'm just grateful, Alex, that you're having me on. So now this is great because this show has structure. This episode has a meaningful

structure that makes sense. It's all bullshit, but it makes sense. Yes. Now he has this bullshit story about everybody being forced to be on anti-psychotic meds. This is to talk to an anti-medication psychologist, Dr. Breeding. That is what that story serves. That's why he's covering this. There is a narrative structure and arc to this. He's talking about this lady who had a marshmallow out at Yellowstone because he has Randy Weaver on. These are stories that are meant to connect to the guests that he has on. They are setting the table, laying the groundwork for these guests, and whatever propaganda narrative bullshit they're going to bring to the table, make it more easy for them to have a jump off point, something in the news to be a touchstone

for them. It makes sense. There's craft to this. Yeah. I mean, it's so odd for us to talk about it, but this is how you would produce a show. This is the way it would go. And it's interesting because I listen to so much of his show and oftentimes these completely bullshit off the wall. Why the fuck are you talking about this story? It's not connected to anything. And in this case, it makes total sense. Two stories that are off the wall, meaningless. Why are you talking about this? It's because of your guests. Now this leads me to suspect that Alex often has guests cancel. And sometimes there is production and it goes into it and he's covering the story to be a gift for this guest. Easier to interview them and they cancel. And so he just has covered some

bullshit story that means nothing. Maybe wait, was that I don't remember. I was trying to figure out if you got to give it up to the Somali pilots. Did somebody cancel? Or was there a guest that made sense? It was it was Captain Phillips. It was literally supposed to be him, right? Is Captain Phillips on? No. Don't think so. Was that in the movie? Tom Hanks was on, but Captain Phillips couldn't make it. Did Tom Hanks end the movie in being interviewed by Alex? What was it like? Well, I'm going to be honest. I got to give it up to the Somali pirates on this one. They really got us good. Yeah. So this guy, Dr. Breeding is an anti meds psychologist. I believe he has a philosophy that is wild colts make better

horses or something. And so it's like, essentially the argument is, Hey, let your kids be nuts. Yeah. Kids be wild and crazy. And I think that there's a bit of something to that within reason. Right. Right. Right. Like, I think that, you know, you do have to understand the kids make mistakes and act up in ways that like maybe as an adult, you're like, God, what the fuck. But there's also emotional stress that can be manifested through kids acting out that should be taken much more seriously than just big kids will be kids. See, this is why you don't want people like Dr. Breeding using idioms like wild colts make better horses. Because on the one hand, you could say, Oh, well, this means giving children the ability to roam free will allow them to become

better. You know, and on the other hand, you could take that as saying like, Listen, if they die, they die. God gives us who lends and who dies. Well, I mean, it's kind of Scott Adams. He did in terms of his recent comments about how you have to watch your kid become a killer. I guess kill them. If he dies, he dies. That's all. That's all I know. These mentalities are really it's not good. You should have a gun loaded with you for anytime somebody's like wild colts make better horses. That's how you solve problems. A little bit of a theme. That's how you solve problems. Yeah. So anyway, here's what's going to happen to schools. We've called the schools government training camps. These are literally going to be huge laboratories, not just for some of the children

now, but for everybody complete with beds and testing and computers. I mean, this is what we need to write a screenplay of this, but then it'll just be passing because it's already happening. I mean, doctor, when they're saying, you know, we're going to test all of you and then the adults and this is a key position and we're going to put you on anti psychotics. I mean, I mean, I have doctors out of psychiatrists on yesterday. I mean, you, you, you sit in the corner and drew on these things. Yeah. So that prediction is off. Yeah, that did go a little bit of right. Are going to become. Yeah. Yeah. But I think also, you know, this, this is something good that's kind of illustrative of this long standing and consistent and extreme and nonsensical

opposition to public schools that has existed in this community. Just, just anything that challenges the legitimacy and not just that perfection of their worldview, even if it's just like, Hey, maybe don't pull a gun out on a ticket. You know, like, even if it's just that, they're like, schools need to be closed. Well, I mean, we go back to this again, like with the opposition to psych meds and stuff being detrimental to their audience retention. Same thing with, you know, education is detrimental to their audience retention. A lot of the narratives don't hold up to the experiences that you have with public education, the people you interact with. And not being under the influence of your parents at all times, so they can kind of have an eye on

you being, being able to create through a social structure that doesn't include the oppressive religion of your parents being pushed upon you. That's a big part of it. They like to have that control over children. Anyway, the schools are going to be kids in beds being experimented upon. That would be almost preferable. No, it wouldn't. And it's nonsense, but Alex should work on that screenplay. There's still time because this has not happened. It is not yet passe for that to be in a screenplay. Was that that movie? The faculty? No, they were aliens. No, they were aliens. Come on, Randy Weaver, get out of here. So this caller calls in. He's got an interesting story about schools. I don't know what's going on here, but I found his story interesting.

They call it when you go and the old school goes and they have a big thing and they all meet up in the cafeteria and what else. Yeah, it's a field trip or an auditorium meeting. They're giving all the kids. They're giving all the kids to listen in on people. I thought it was really weird because they're giving this because they're not giving out books. They're giving out anything educational. They're giving them five kids. Well, let me stop you. Let me stop you. Go to a children's store and you look at the toys. There's whole sections now on spying and time for kids. Time magazine in the school, how to be a spy, how to spy on your parents. And I'm actually aware of that. I didn't know what was going on in preschools. I knew that. Again, that's right out of 1984,

trying to know how to be spiced. You notice there when Alex said it's happening in preschools, the guy was trying to correct him that it wasn't a preschool. Yeah, it wasn't a preschool. So Alex is making up a detail of his story and then not allowing him to correct it by talking over him. Yeah, well, he's going to ruin the story that he has. So what were they telling him to do with the spy kids? Who provided it? That's the thing is that the school is providing and I was asking, I asked the teachers and the thing is, is that like we're living in a society where it's they pretty much promote powers and idiots and you know, just mediocre people who they don't even know what they're doing. Like, I was like, what is this? Like, what are you trying to do with

this? I asked the teacher like, well, I didn't really even think about it. It was just fun for you know. And I look at it on the on the, and this is a funny thing is like they're not even really hiding it. You look on there and who are the kids spying on? This shows a picture of these two kids like working together and spying like looking through a fence and it looks like their neighbors spent a little microphone and like hearing it. You know, they show a little circle in the fence to where you can see who they're spying on. And it shows this guy in like blue jeans and a white shirt and a construction helmet. Like the white guy and he's like has his hands up like he's talking to people. What is happening? That's what it shows. It shows like some like construction

worker talking. Thanks for the call. I appreciate it. Dr. Breeding Logan, we need your help man. What? I don't know what this is about, but like I could see some kind of like something being misconstrued. Like it being an observational exercise or something like that. Like, you know, being like having kids see something and then be able to describe it right something. Right, right. I could see that being an educational exercise of some sort. But also to the premise of like this being anything groundbreaking, like isn't it the whole thing from like 1930s magazines of like spy kits being in the invisible ink and all this stuff in the back of the magazine? There'd be things that would be total ripoffs. These are not real

x-ray glasses. Exactly. I'm going to tell you this right now, dad. Yes. I mean, this is something that's been popular among kids for time immemorial. Yeah. I mean, I can't, it's hard to, it's hard to be like, Oh, those 30s adventure stories, those kids, they didn't have any supervision. But that's why there are like constant stories about like Harry at the Spy or the archetype of teen little kid detectives. Encyclopedia goddamn brown. Right. These things are popular for a reason. It's because kids gravitate towards that in the same way they like to play pirate. So would it be less of a spy kit? Would he be happier if they handed out like a Hardy Boys novel where they did investigate? Probably wouldn't even notice. He wouldn't notice. What's us. I really thought he

said spy kids though. So I kept thinking it was the Robert Rodriguez movies starring Antonio Banderas. And I was like, can you really be that mad at this movie? He's the, it's not. I think the timeline might be off. My kids might not have come out yet. Was that 2006, something like that? I don't know. Oh boy. Um, look, yeah, I also don't know what this guy is talking about because he seems to be saying that they gave them microphones and there's no way that would be cost prohibitive. There's no way they're giving microphones to kids. They might have given them those like old fashioned song microphones that have the little echoey part in it. You know, the ones just like the tube. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically with the little ice cream cone on top though. Did you never

have those? So it's like a little microphone ice cream cone. It's okay. I'm trying. I'm not talking dreamy creamy. It's like an old microphone. It was plastic and it had like the little microphone top on it, you know, and it was hollow inside. And when you spoke into it, the sound would echo in the chamber and it would come out like it was no idea we were talking about. Okay, fine. Anyway, we have one last clip. Um, and it's Alex saying something that, uh, I hope he does not still believe. He seems not to still believe this. Uh, and I think this is shit. Is our practice, which is the Eli Lilly drug that's been over $4 billion in sales just from that one drug alone in 2003. Eli Lilly, as we've already talked about, is strongly connected to

Bush senior, Bush junior and several of Bush's political appointees and $4 billion one drug for schizophrenia. I mean, even if schizophrenia is a real disease, which it obviously isn't, how many, I mean, are this this many schizophrenics? Wow. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. So Alex doesn't believe schizophrenia is real. Uh, that's a man who's been told he is schizophrenia. Well, I mean, he now constantly accuses people of being schizophrenic. Yep. He throws it around just as a pejorative, uh, for people. So yeah, it, I understand that really what you're trying to do is frame something as like these drug companies have created a condition in order to make money off pills or whatever. Right. I don't think that Alex actually believes

that. I think this is indicative of him just talking shit. And it's something that serves the shit talking that he's doing with Dr. Breeding. And so he's making and like a claim that he's so irresponsible. Um, and, uh, for his audience, so maybe some of them would hear that and be like, yeah, it isn't real. Maybe some people in his audience have people in their lives who have been diagnosed or themselves and hearing something like that. It's not even a real thing. Right. It can, it can be, it can be pretty irresponsible, pretty dangerous. Yeah. I mean, the thing with that is once you start cutting away at what is and is not based on whatever he decides, then it's, it's all up for grabs. You know, like if he gets to say, Oh, well, schizophrenia is not real,

just cause I get to say it, then he can say that anything is not any mental illness. That's just not real. You're just wasting all of your time on that. Yeah. But you understand that sort of part and parcel of the position that he's given himself in, uh, in life in his profession. Sure. Because Alex is the arbiter of like this secret information that he's able to decode from the globalist. Yeah. He, in essence, uh, his position to himself as someone who gets to dictate the terms of reality for these people listening. Yeah. And the way he does that is so irresponsible. And the way it manifests, uh, in things like this, schizophrenia isn't even real. Yeah. Is, is abusive. Yeah. He has no care for the position that he's put himself in. He feels no responsibility

to take care of the people that he has put into the position of like they get to experience reality through him. Totally. And if you're, if you hear that, the only responsible thing to do is like literally stop everything and be like, okay, fine. You don't think schizophrenia is real. What is real and what is not? Let's go down the DSM fucking four and then you can tell me what you accept. Yeah. And this Dr. Breeding doesn't even do that. He doesn't give a shit. No, he's not, he's not stopping Alex to be like, well, look, I understand you have some grievances, but maybe you're going a little far here. Let's do something at least a little responsible for once in our lives. You know, let's team up for one in the positive column as we allow the one billion

served in the negative condo column to keep going up. It doesn't happen. No. Also, I have no idea where Dr. Breeding is these days. So I haven't heard him as a repeat guest. Well, he's, he's dead. Also the way that man sounds, that man is dead now. He got attacked by a literal wild. Sure. Well, he tried to give Randy Weaver a ticket. Didn't go well. Yeah. So this is, this is interesting. Oh, also Dr. Breeding is not necessarily like some kind of a large, popular, important, prevalent doctor. He's a guy in Austin who Alex is friends with. Right. So prestigious, prestigious, the most prestigious guy in Austin. Top doctors in the world. One of the top doctors Alex is friends with. Yeah. So this, this episode was, was, uh, you know, very fortuitous. I've used that word already.

You know, hearing this interview with Randy Weaver was, is, uh, wild eye opening in some ways. Crazy. It's a big event in terms of Alex's like mythos, you could say. And so I'm glad that we were able to find it this way as opposed to waiting until we got to 2004. Right. And in our March through 2003, I am, I am also glad that, uh, much of the myth around with Miranda Weaver can easily be dispelled with, I saw shit ton of UFOs when I was detained. He believes in a Zionist occupied government. He, uh, sees UFOs constantly and he will kill you if you try to give him a ticket. Yeah. I don't think he's your savior. Yeah. Seems to have some problems. Yeah. Anyway, happy birthday to the child of, uh, Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela effect. I really hope that you

did not tell him that we did not achieve his birthday gift and you just let it go and hoped against a hope. I did send an apology message that I had missed. Oh, no, I'm talking to him. I'm hoping you didn't tell your son. Oh yeah. From my understanding, the message did not get to the son. Good. So this is going to be even better. Uh-huh. This is going to be a better birthday present because you're going to know that your dad cares so much about you that he would contact the least reliable podcast in the history of the world. Did everything right? That's what I'm saying. And then, uh, yeah, we dropped the ball wrecking. Anyway, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Uh, many more to you and we'll be back. But until then, Jordan Wave website is knowledge fight.com.

Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's adding knowledge. I'm just gonna fight that. Go to bed, Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I hope you all have a wonderful, dreamy, creamy summer. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.