Knowledge Fight - #705: The Knowledge Fight Battle Kitchen

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

Today, just before heading out to Austin, Dan summons Robert Evans to discuss Alex appearing on Steve Bannon's podcast, before Dan is joined by a special surprise guest.

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I'm a huge fan I love your work Knowledge fight No, no, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com I love you So, folks Big, uh, big developments in the, uh, in the world of Alex Jones

Uh, this is a bizarre way to start the show But here, here's the reality I'm sitting here and I'm recording this Um... With no Jordan I am, uh... Hours! Mere hours away

From getting on a plane and flying to Austin, Texas Where me and Jordan will be enjoying, uh... Uh... Enjoying seems to make it sound like fun We will be partaking in and observing the, uh...

The trial that Alex Jones is going to be going through But, uh, unfortunately I can't take any time off because What happens here? What happens here on Saturday? Uh, but does Steve Bannon release a fucking episode of his War Room show where he interviews Alex

in order to promote his stupid documentary Alex's War Um, and so I feel like I've got to talk about it but there's no Jordan And it just leaves me to think Where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods? Where's the streetwise Hercules

to fight the rising odds? Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed? Late at night, I toss and turn and I dream of what I need I need a hero I am summoned What is this?

Thank you, Dan Is this Robert Evans? Robert Evans Wow brought magically to life by the power of music By the power of, uh, Pat Benatar, apparently Pat Benatar, who I mistakenly thought

was the one who had did this song but I told you to sing it in Pat Benatar's style anyway And here we are Here I am, summoned Well, thank you Thank you for answering the call of the Bonnie Tyler call for a hero

Um, I appreciate it We're going to be sitting here We're going to talk a little bit about Steve Bannon having Alex on Um, and I, I, I understand you've, you've covered Bannon a little bit in the past Oh boy, yes

As he was known in the Krasenstein's Children's Book, Children's Book Steve Bannon because he was a squirrel that lifted Donald Trump's hair Those guys were so creative Yeah, what a, what a time to be an American that was Yeah, that's really what cancel culture, uh, took from us

It did, it did We lost the, we lost the Krasenstein's and life has not been worth living for a single second since Nature has not healed Are they active on Truth Social? Do we know if they're on the other? Probably, they must be

I can't imagine they've given up If I were Trump, I would, I would definitely I'd give them a verified account Like, they're, they're great for him If I were Trump, I would make them collectively my vice president in exile Yeah, uh, so be, you, you mean

he, he sucks, we can all agree on this, right? I mean, Bannon's, Bannon's trash I don't, I don't like him Um, and look, here's the top, here's one of the things I hate most about Steve Bannon Right, we, we can all agree on team trying to be better people that it's not, not good to make fun of

somebody for their appearance when there's so many things that have nothing to do with their appearance that are actually why they're terrible But, he looks like something a British person would eat He looks boiled? Like one of those puddings

He looks like one of those unsettling puddings that the British Blood sausage And I, I, I'm not a good enough person not to comment on it He looks like a, like a half English breakfast Yes, exactly He looks like a blood sausage

in some sort of blamange and he had a, had a coalesced into a baby And unfortunately it also happened that he was like the person who had access to the most money and the deepest understanding of what the internet had changed

about human social interactions circa 2014-ish and he made a lot of hay with that And I, I, unfortunately he was plugged into other folks who could do something with that too, you know, that sucks He's, he's very smart He, he gets, there's a whole

you can find articles and shit about In fact, there's one this, this week from Christianity Today that's largely silly but makes a good point of highlighting the thing about Bannon that's important which is kind of the understanding he came to about the fantasy worlds that people like to live in

and there, there's a bit he goes on where he's like you know, imagine this guy Bob who's a fucking accountant or some shit and Bob dies and you know, some fucking mortician has to make a, or whatever some funeral director has to make up a 5-minute little speech to give it his funeral and then imagine like

online, Bob's got this big digital presence in like World of Warcraft or something where he's this great warrior and a thousand people show up in the internet to actually like celebrate his, his heroic deeds and all this shit like what would Bob identify more as what identity is more real

and kind of the thing that Bannon came to provide people with these kind of like if you can provide people with an outlet for their fantasies that allows them to feel like whatever weird little communities and fantastic worlds they've gotten involved with online are impacting the real world

if you can like make them if you can make them feel like what they're doing online matters if you can build them a chance to feel like a hero through doing nothing but sitting at their computer you can actually get quite a lot done and I don't know I'm not, I'm not explaining it super well

but Bannon translated that into Gamergate It sounds like he could just be studying a lot of Alex's shit too I mean like convincing the entire audience that like they're just, they're fealty to him and you know supporting his show is a fight against

this establishment powers There's a lot of what Bannon got that's just old fascism, right? Like that whole thing is pretty old fascism what Bannon did that was clever, was welded very effectively to sitting on your ass

and like harassing people over the internet like that was the thing that he he figured out kind of the gamification of like fascist militancy in a way that he was the first person to really lock it down and it has

never, it has always been a potent force in American politics ever since Well, that sucks I have COVID, otherwise I would have described it a little better but you get the point, yeah I think considering COVID brain you did a fantastic job so I heard

that Alex was on Bannon's show and I almost fell out of my chair I thought like I don't like hearing that What's your immediate response to hearing? I mean other than like foreboding, does it seem

weird to you? If I had the power to pray in an air strike that would have been the spot Well, you're never going to get them because they're in that pandemic war room they're in that bunker You have to assume you need one of those

those bunker busters that Fox informed me about when we were going after Saddam Yeah, I've never listened to Bannon's show because I don't have time or the emotional energy but I did, I listened to this episode and I was shocked

that their theme music is kind of, it's got a little bit of a rap flare to it and it's about how we're going to take out the CCP and we're going to be there until everyone's dead It's a pretty bizarre vibe that they got going on

They apparently If you go by the theme song it's mostly about hating China but that is not what I took away from this screening So Alex is on and it's the, it's really bizarre because

these two, I don't know if I've ever heard them interact before They're huge figures in Trump world Yeah, I don't think I have either And I have some awareness of some beefs which make this just seem even more

unlikely So I was really excited to tune in and see what we would find And it turns out, I think a lot of it is a press tour for that documentary Alex's War that's going to be coming out I don't know if you watched any of the

I've seen the ads for it I don't like that Bannon, who again I think has a pretty canny understanding of like what's a productive road to go down propaganda-wise I don't like that he sees turning Alex into a cause that's as bad as LeB as

worth his money and time Yeah, and especially, it's either something bad about the moment right now or a sign of desperation between the both of them That's kind of how I'm seeing the ball breaking one of those directions I mean, I would hope Desper, obviously

there is some reason to hope like I don't want to be all doomer here because like Bannon is actually might do some time in the very near future this week as we record this two counts of fucking around with Congress, both of which could put him

in prison for up to a year and then you've got like Alex who is in the finding out stage of all of his court cases I hope it's desperation I feel like their circumstances appear

desperate enough that it's like let's see what we can do you have a little bit of juice to make a cocktail or something I don't know that I have, yeah, I wish I had more hope that it was this was like the dying

gasp of a wounded animal rather than the step one in me eventually seeing billboards with Alex's face on them in Times Square Yeah, that is worrisome because you have something of a brand rehabilitation in some sense

going on, you know, you have this documentary that's seeking to obviously in some way whitewash a lot of Alex's quote unquote mistakes that he's made in his career and you have Bannon who like as much of a fringe figure

as he is, he's on a lot more radio stations than you'd expect because he's syndicated with that like America's voice or whatever the that thing is called and they've they've grown substantially clear

and Glenn Greenwald was hosting that question and answer thing earlier today about the about Alex's documentary there's there's a lot of fear I mean obviously I don't think billboard in Times Square but you know something good

yeah that's not great so let's jump in here I want to play this first clip for you this is this is here where Bannon is bringing Alex in he set the table about about his feelings for this interview because here's thing people say Alex Jones crazy

he's a conspiracy theory guys a nutcase you got these rants and all that what they miss is that this guy's ahead of the curve on so many different topics of signal not noise he's one of the the the the the really

the leaders in describing what transhumanism is it's dangerous and what's happening on this so there's a there's code that goes through a bit of this episode that is signal not

noise which seems like just kind of a weasley way to say like he's wrong about everything if you listen he's going to be constantly wrong about stuff but if you look at the big picture you could kind of squint yeah I guess that is an interesting way of like

Bannon's phrasing of the Alex Jones was right kind of thing yeah it's it's signal is right there's a lot of static you know he'll throw around a lot of bullshit be wrong about everything but yeah

you can trick yourself into thinking that he's he knows things and he's he's right a bunch of the time and then at the end you can hear him bring up the transhumanism and that's because I think that Bannon just wants to be like alright look there's a lot of bullshit

there's a lot of dumb stuff but Alex has been saying that they're going to put robots inside you for 20 years which I guess is fair I mean that is you know the the mark of the beast the the chipping of people and stuff is a that's like the safest big-scale future prediction to

make though is that like they're going to start putting robot parts in people because of course they are like yeah not they isn't like but like yeah of course people are going to like increasingly do more body modifications like we have throughout history yeah people are already doing that like themselves

there's DIY stuff I have a chip in my hand that has a business card on it like it's just a thing people do because it's neat and they're bored yeah some people put magnets in their fingers I don't that's right friend who can use his hand to open

the electronic lock to his front door wow see there are people who do it and it's not the government that's doing it but it is it isn't it's it's a trend that could progress into like some kind of a like robot arms

or something or it might not who knows for years and forever science fiction writers they write about like you know these these questions of what does it mean to be human and obviously this is going to be fertile territory for it so conspiracy theorists

talk about any yet safe it's safe and that's why Bannon wants to really center things there and I think that's a good move on his part I think it's smart to do that instead of some of his other stupid shit about

the EU doing 9-11 well that I do agree with you think that was the EU yeah yeah yeah evidence has borne out a lot of people don't know this but Osama bin Laden and Angela Merkel same person

whoa I've never seen them together that is true you know I had this fantasy I was thinking about like if I could feed Glenn Greenwald one question to ask in that Q&A session it would be

who is the head of the EU right now and what is their position called I bet he couldn't name it or even swap it out with the UN and what is that position called that's always like the actual thing

if you really cared about interviewing Alex as like a credible journalist just ask him a basic question about like fundamental facts of reality like who is running like the EU how does the EU's like economic system actually work like who makes

like how are decisions like voted on and stuff you know any kind of like very basic reality question he's just not going to be able to answer because he doesn't understand any of it like he can rattle off facts about like

the year that something happened or like the name of some document but yeah if he was a smarter propagandist there's all sorts of little facts he could learn that could make him better at that like the fact that like a big chunk of the EU's

economic administration is done in a building Berlin that was built for the Luftwaffe it was like Hermann Gering's offices because the Germans keep repurposing stuff so if he wanted to make a conspiracy out of that and he knew like three facts about the EU he could actually put something together but he doesn't

god damn it Robert this is going to be on his show in a week it's too good and I'm just trying to help the man out he seems to be having a rough one it is tough times so Bannon plays the the trailer

for Alex's documentary a number of times and there was one little clip that stuck out to me I'm going to play that here real quick I think he's playing a little fast and loose I don't know if it's fair necessarily to say that

the New York Times caused the Iraq war I think the whole argument is that the Bush administration was planning to do it long predated maybe some sloppy reporting by the New York Times helped justify it the New York Times certainly

made it easier for them I think it would be fair to say did not use the kind of journalistic rigor they should have but you know who else didn't use the kind of journalistic rigor they should have on the Iraq war Glenn Greenwald who supported if I were Alex

I would feed him a question to ask Greenwald about that and also the New York Times in 2004 issued a huge apology about their coverage and the mistakes that they made Judith Miller was the the main person who's

making the most high profile errors and she got forced out of the paper in 2005 and has she worked in any meaningful way in journalism sense there are consequences for these folks it's just Alex doesn't care and he doesn't know

and he just makes things up they were reporting poorly he makes things up there's a bit of a difference there is a difference between like I don't know

yeah there's a difference I guess when you start to compare the consequences the size and relative influence of the New York Times makes me think you could probably argue that their failure in the Iraq war did more damage than a lot of the stuff Alex has done

I think you definitely could in terms of scale for sure it's a different point but I think that's fair but yeah when you try and get yourself off the hook for your behaviors by being like it didn't cause a war it's like I don't know if that's meaningful

I don't still bad so Bannon gets around to introducing Alex here and here here was I thought was going to be like the beginning of a really exciting interview

Alex thank you very much for joining us tell us about this movie a great filmmaker made this you're interviewed for but other than that it's their film correct it is I mean I've turned down a lot of other documentary offers because it's the establishment they always lie but I'd seen some of her films

and knew that it was independent and it shows me in a bad light and a good light because I mean I'm a real person just like you but it's hard to come on here Steve ooh it's hard to come on here Steve that's an exciting line now

the reason that was really exciting for me was because I know that Alex hates Steve Bannon he should he's repeatedly as I've learned through your show attacked him yes almost constantly for years he's a scapegoat that Alex has used to like try and get

Trump off the hook for things and so I got really excited and I decided that I would put together a compilation of Alex talking shit about Steve Bannon well I heard Bannon was forced out for leaking but I didn't want to put out rumors but I think it's definitely a White House source and now the president

says that's the case I was on your show a couple of months ago and I said that Steve Bannon was a complete sociopath and eventually he would trap himself in his lies and his collusions with his colleagues

I am for the indictment, conviction and prison for Steve Bannon the reason is very simple Bannon is what we call a self promoter a nicer term or a different term would be a BS artist

he just sits there and goes oh I love Trump and then sits back and watches his attempt to blow up the White House politically he lights the fuse walks off the safe distance he goes is it snowing outside no it's dandruff catch up stains

down the front of him I'm the Liberty Movement I came with money and took over Breitbart after he died I'm the God I'm the Liberty Movement and he was behind the scenes leaking everything The New York Times, The Washington Post

by the way leaking BS and running around we now know the FBI fawning and agreeing with the Russia investigation I take no delight in Steve Bannon's new problems but they don't surprise me because we know definitively that he

directly contradicted his testimony at my trial basically we took our research our work which is great and presented it to the president it got adopted by Bannon Bannon didn't come up with all this Bannon is a movie screenplay writer

they wrote a screenplay off this show that's why the left so pissed they got all the phones tapped they know they know the White House still listens every day but I'm not a screenwriter I'm Alex Jones from Texas I'm for real you understand I'm 100% for real I need all this

and Alex I don't know if you know this but this is first hand from the people involved Steve is working with Mike Serinovich and Jack Posovic now I know people who are working directly with them and they told me their goal was to destroy

you Steve Bannon traitor I don't like Steven Bannon he's done some nasty stuff he bear false witness against Roger Stone the hindsight is 20-20 all I can say is this Steve Bannon is so damn bad sociopaths and psychopaths

and or weak people that have been abused themselves and they go out and do it to others they feel like they're owed something I find a lot of times that's really what it is I think Bannon is kind of one of those he wants to show everybody he's the big man he's the tough guy he's the leader he's in control and he's got to

overthrow everybody around him so he can feel like he's big he's number one so I mean it's pretty consistent I hope he does his Steve Bannon voice in this interview with Steve Bannon I hope he asks him

about that plot to destroy Alex that Posovic and Serinovich were working on with Bannon it would be fun if they just had like a frank talk about Steve Bannon's plot to destroy him sure or the facts they're adding after a football's game or what about

like Steve Bannon perjuring himself in order to get Roger Stone locked up they've said that's definitively in Info Wars lore Steve Bannon lied to get Roger Stone thrown in prison

but given how much money Stone was costing Info Wars are we sure Alex thinks that's a bad thing I mean if the North Korean boat story had stuck I think Alex would want to see Roger silenced in some way

taken to prison also I love the idea I was going back through some of these Bannon clips I didn't realize that Alex had suggested that he was a sociopath who had been abused and that was why he was on this power trip that's particularly

there's a flair there a panache for Alex I agree so when I heard him say it's hard to come on I was hoping like alright we're gonna air it out this is gonna be great

for years he's hated Bannon but of course he just proceeds to kiss Bannon's ass in a way that is just embarrassing I think if you listen to the end of this clip you'll hear Steve Bannon himself being embarrassed by Alex's behavior

but it's hard to come on here Steve because I've admired you I knew you were the brain behind a lot of what Trump was able to do and you've had the most courage of anybody out there standing up to this January 6th fraud and really bringing America back

so it's hard to come on your show and then talk about myself here it's surreal with what you did not backing down to the committee and their kangaroo court that you cross-examined people I'm facing three rig lawsuits run by Democrats

same ones in Travis County that indicted Rick Perry and Tom DeLay I'm not allowed to say I'm innocent at my trial next week that starts they put an order out you cannot say you're innocent you cannot say it's rigged it's insane

if I'm supposed to sit there and not talk and not say I'm innocent this is the end of America so if they can destroy Steve Bannon you're just a gush I'm gushing because literally we are in the arena and you and I

and you at a greater level I gotta say they are so scared of you I admire your work and I have really pushed people that have attacked you because they're wrong and when they do they're buying into the global propaganda so I am really

this is a big bucket list being on your show and I'm so proud of the fact that it's exploded everybody talks about I'm at the grocery store I'm at church everywhere almost every day man I really love your show and I love Steve Bannon did you see this you see that and I don't get like envious I feel good

I go to sleep at night if they put me in prison or kill me next week at least Steve Bannon's out there and his team you put together but the reason I want to heavy on is the film look the film's a powerhouse film ew you spend two minutes talking about

like how it's your dream to talk to this person and they're your hero and then they just sort of like ugh I wanted to talk about your film that hurts a little right I mean it's not it's not what you want

no that doesn't seem ideal so what do you think about this turnaround here well I mean it seems like the thing Alex always does which is that he's capable of having a wide variety of opinions largely negative about other people who are prominent until those people are willing to talk

with him for 30 seconds at which point they become his favorite person it's like you know it's how we can go from threatening Joe Rogan's children to talking about how he's leading the the the I don't know whatever the the evolution of the human mind or something

ugh you second only to talk her I never friend your children that it is he hasn't done that with Tucker though right I'm gonna guess that like because obviously he's gone back and forth on Rogan basically everybody has he ever said bad shit about Tucker

yeah back in the day back when he was like more of a Neopron bow tie guy for sure sure yeah you're right you're right Tucker did used to be kind of in a crossfire days Alex had but but the back then Tucker wasn't that big of a deal and so like

it didn't come up often but I know that there was a little bit of disdain between them but talk even back then Tucker did like he came on info wars once or twice and it wasn't like super hostile but it definitely was not like this guy gets it

he knows everything it was more like alright I'm gonna talk to this neocon for a little bit and we'll see if we can get him to wake up and then he wouldn't show back up but yeah I don't I think Alex knows better than to threaten Tucker Tucker is way

way more of a hold of the like weird Trump zeitgeist yeah well I also think he's kind of scared of Tucker like like most of us all are but that may be me reading some into

Alex what do you think he's scared of Tucker doing like labeling him a globalist I think he's scared yeah I mean I think he's definitely I think he's definitely aware that Tucker could do damage to him but I also think more than anything he's scared that Tucker's gonna render him completely irrelevant

true like I see kind of I feel like there's a little desperation in how he praises Tucker that makes sense I mean you know the man better than I do but that's that's just kind of what I've read yeah I think so I mean as much

desperation as there is in I go to sleep at night comfortable knowing that if I go to jail Steve Bannon is out there you know it's there's there's desperation all around and some of it is like a recognition of being able to siphon publicity

and then yes some of it is probably a recognition of his obsolescence but he's been obsolete since the internet really picked up as much as it did like YouTube largely hindered

his his stranglehold on like gatekeeping conspiracy shit the Tucker gets to the gets to the the old folk and and says things really softly he brings extremism into a a

digestible paragraph he's just actually better at doing alex shit than alex ever was mm-hmm well he makes it he makes it easier to swallow and I mean I think that's what you hear from like all the the Nazi types you know who are like Tucker

is just doing our shit better you know you'll hear that in in message boards from time to time so here's Steve Bannon embarrassing himself severely the point I don't think people get about you I we do at the war room and I personally

do because I followed you for years is that you're not just a man of action the guy that they see on that show every night the guy they see out the bullhorn the guy that's taking leadership and saying hey you know I'm like in the first tank and we'll drive this as much and as important as that leadership is

the true thing that you've done which is stunning if you look at the evidence of that and the facts you are one of the great thinkers of this that is very rare you got to go back almost to the revolutionary generation yeah man alex is one of the great thinkers

of our time politically culturally spiritually musically musically yeah he's got me listening to diran diran again man oh no

found a pretty dope cover of hungry like the wolf by real big fish the other day would love to do that on alex's show but I will cut it in I'll splice it together for you is that new that real big fish cover

it's years old but it's excellent you can find it on the youtube's and the spotify's did they do less than jake thing where they just became basically like a cover band I mean I have not caught up I don't know when the most recent of their albums

was but they've definitely got a lot of covers I mean that is the natural journey of every great scott musician is to doing scott because the secret of music that's like at the core of all of human creation is that every song is better

as a scott version of that song yeah everything is better with absolutely uh streetlight manifesto did a cover of such great heights that is very very fun well I mean like less than jake became a cover band in theory real

big fish has become a cover band like me first in the gimme gimmies were the ones who got it they came out the gate of cover band anyway I saw the mighty mighty boss tones at riot fest last year that depressed me uh that was right before

picky barrett became an anti vexer I don't think anybody needs to be listening to the mighty mighty boss tones after that george floyd album they put out I this was before that I think I know it definitely was before

I was aware of that so bannon loves info wars and he loves alex to the to the extent I don't know if you'll believe this robert but he claims that he listens every day you believe that

yeah me neither but but here here he is saying you know people that have watched this show know me over the years you know you know the financial times the economists we go through that's the way we play every day we start with MSNBC and CNN clips and I play in conservative right wing news there's a huge believer in information

and in collecting information and I go to I watch the the info wars every day and follow out shows closely you know why he can put you ahead of the curve and he's been um demonized as a conspiracy theorist right I gotta tell you

this book the great reset in the war for the world uh is the left in the mainstream media are going to have to sit there and we've got to force them to respond to this book this book is that important no force necessary I mean I'm not the left nor the

mainstream media but I'll I'll handle this book Alex has a book coming out I'm excited for you to handle this yeah I I've heard rumblings of this and there's been there's been talk of it but Alex is apparently coming out with a book and I think it's getting rushed out

because there's a bit of a blitz going on right now and the timing is not not suspicious uh in terms of his his trial happening uh starting on the 25th and going probably until the beginning of August

or so so on the 29th you have his documentary coming out and then his book is supposed to come out in early August so I think there's a little bit of a like let's have something else to talk about kind of vibe going on um there's a couple things

I have to I think about this book the first is that there is zero percent chance that Alex wrote this book yeah I mean he's too rich to write a book right like there's a certain amount of money that's not the problem that I would have I don't think that's the

I mean he's you don't think he can read yes no I don't know if you can write a book by skimming but like I mean I think I think you have a point really rich people will have like ghost writers uh write something

or or or whatever but like Alex is so fucking lazy he couldn't write an article on his own website he has a team of people to do that I have no faith he could I mean the last book he wrote in theory I'm not even sure if he wrote that

one was like 15 years ago he wrote some like a 9-11 book yeah and again I I don't think he wrote that probably like Jason Bermas wrote it or something well and I wouldn't be surprised given him being the guy that he is if he did like

if he does a lot of like dictating that's how Hitler wrote his book you know so some people some people have too much like to walk around and talk too much to actually write a book and so those people have their their their Rudolph Hess or their whatever

guy wrote Alex's book for him well I if that's the case I can't wait to read it because the person who could transcribe the nonsense that Alex is going to have have thrown out I mean

the syntax is going to be revolutionary I think that people the great the great English professors will struggle to deal with Alex's run on sentences Hemingway-esque run on sentences I

predict yeah I think that book is going to be dumb it's just about the great reset so it's complaining about Klaus Schwab and that Noah Harari guy and yeah I I

that's the guy who wrote Sapiens right he's he's real scared about that guy I mean Sapiens was kind of boring but that's my take for the day I'm going to guess that your assessment is not going to match Alex's

in this forthcoming book yeah I don't know I thought it was kind of boring like most books that Barack Obama recommends I didn't like it very much I don't think I've ever read it I don't I don't I don't I don't gravitate

towards the genre of futurist writings too much like I would rather really very futurist if I'm thinking of the right Sapiens it was just kind of like a history of hominids yeah yeah yeah

Noah Harari yeah okay maybe I'm just categorizing it wrong because that's like what he's yeah you're thinking of so I have not read this book he wrote another book called a homo deus or deus I'm guessing it's deus yeah that's I think his futurist book okay

that's that makes sense that's the that's the sort of cubby hole that he exists in with Alex so I just assumed like pretty much all of his career revolved around that um so yeah this book is gonna suck I'm sure but I'm excited for it I will

definitely do a protracted series on it as soon as it comes out um and that turns out to be exactly what Bannon thinks I can't do uh I tell you what let me can you hang on we'd love to keep you for one more segment if we want Steve this is awesome

okay we got Alex Jones the book is the great reset in the war for the world uh this is a seminal work yes I know uh Madeleine Pelts and our marketing director over at Media Matters is gonna melt down uh I dare anybody to go through this book and read it uh

and uh see the references that are cited in the deconstruction he does some of these major works by by major this is not uh intellectual slumming dare accepted 100% I accept this I know that I'm not cool like

Media Matters but uh I will I will handle I'll handle this Bannon and I'll get back to you I'm sure you'll have me ought to discuss I think I would I think there's a pretty good shot of you getting on Steve Bannon show and if that happens

you're going to need to plunge the dagger of Tel Megido into the glowing spot at the base of his belly in order to mark by a ketchup stain yeah that will finally bring the Cali Yuga um I I was looking at his

guest list and I think I fit right in I mean you got like Jack Pasobic you got you know now Alex Jack are such close friends we're so tight we ate at the same restaurant once I mean he pretended that it was a child uh molestation den and I just thought it had pretty good pizza

uh but hey you know we're we're close uh Robert right yes that's right the sonic just outside Columbia Missouri uh it's a mess that places it's haunted for sure um so this this interview

is I'll be honest there's a lot of content in it that would just be really pointless and boring for like anybody who listens to our podcast there's like you know Alex will throw out things like why the future doesn't need

us or by John P. Holdren like he'll throw these things out as if he's like making an actual argument but it's just sort of scattershot references so I don't particularly care about that too much I want to focus on how sad this is

Alex hates Steve Bannon Bannon has never acknowledged Alex and here the two of them desperately try to out complement each other this is two men brought low towards each other

well you've been through this President Trump's been through this and what they do is they're they fear populace they fear loyal Americans that believe in America and promoting it because they know that's going to be popular they have to shut that down so they can demonize Steve Bannon and destroy Steve Bannon

they can demonize destroy Alex Jones or Donald Trump and I'm not trying to put myself in that league but we're that that's the league it's like you know Trump, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones are the main targets kind of going down from there I think you're probably a bigger target than I am because you're respected and also you have your intelligence background

and they know it was the brain trust find a lot of Trump's successes and so I'm not labishing you it's just true here's where I disagree with this because I think like Trump you have a you know as Bernard Charles said

only connect you have a way of connecting class in this country in the middle class in this country that is very powerful I mean one of my guilty pleasures is watching your rants and they're absolutely amazing I mean they're incredible you have a way of connecting like Trump has a way of connecting

that is their biggest fear their biggest fear is the education and enlightenment the awakening of that army of what I call the army of the awakened and they will take I think Tucker and I are far and back of that because you and Trump have a way of connecting

a hard connection with that that is you can't coach that right that's a God-given talent that's just native charisma and you have it that's where the I don't want to say that I've got sure what are they trying to do right now

they've done everything possible so that they're you know you got this nice vibe of you're awesome no no no wait wait wait you're awesome you and Trump are on the same God given wavelength connection

to the to the the real folk yeah to the common people you understand you have this organic connection and I would I would suggest that maybe it's that him and Trump are like they live in the fraud you know they live in that

that manipulation so much that that people connect to it more easily that could be part of it and someone like Tucker doesn't really I was trying to think I was trying to think about what like what connects Alex to

common people like what what is it he's been in media for 20 something years he's a millionaire he has multiple homes he lives in one of the liberal enclaves of Austin Texas he is friends with celebrities

he's having Steve Bannon tell him that he's one of the great thinkers since the revolutionary era he runs away from his fans when they confront him on the street because they're they scare him like he has Blackwater security everywhere

like he has a tank there's nothing he just has an accent I think he did but that was that's that's similar to what a lot of Americans are dealing with having to sell their extremist vehicles having to sell their tanks absolutely

I wish more people were selling their tanks because then I might be able to buy one but you know you said something a second ago about what connects Alex to common people and I know what you meant by that but now all I'm thinking about is Alex getting together with Ben Folds like Shatner did

and doing a cover of Pults Common People which I think Alex actually could knock out of the park If Alex does lose everything we need to get him a record deal to do a Shatner type album exactly

but also very loungy so like in between songs there's got to be a little bit of banter a little bit of spoken word yeah I mean the other option is to just have Alex do an exact perfect word for word replica

of Shatner's album has been so like Alex is singing that song about Shatner finding his wife dead in the pool washed up former Star Trek star I feel like you could talk Alex into doing that he hates Shatner now

so like he would do it just to get back with him just try to do a better job than Bill because that album is fucking perfect but I think Alex has the Steve Bannon is complimenting him quite a bit but I think he has the potential to be

like Paul Stanley level stage banter kind of guy like really make it make it its own thing he could revolutionize the art of saying dumb shit in between songs no absolutely

so we got one last clip here it was not a very long interview it's just kind of a puff piece the promotion for the book that's not out and does never release date and the documentary so it's basically just that

and when this episode comes out I will already be in Austin for the trial and here's him Alex telling Bannon about this and everything Alex is saying is total bullshit

here this is just offensive I have the motions in limity at infowars.com of the judges order of the first of three rig sandy hook trials where I've already been found guilty I've been defaulted when I gave them everything and more

which they use them as a blueprint to further debank us and deplatform us and the judge put in the order for the trial where I'm guilty that I cannot say I'm innocent says word for word may not say you're innocent in any way well if that was a murderer caught with dead bodies

in my basement I would could get up and say I'm innocent of the jury I could say I'm not guilty no I am guilty and I can't cross examine anybody and I can't raise the first amendment and I can't say the trial is rigged and so but then we're ordered to have this trial

or I'll be held in contempt she did a million dollar fine a month ago court of appeals turned it around in one day and said pay it I paid a million dollars and I'm out of money they finally run me to ground I paid a million dollars on Monday that

literally brought the company down like $300,000 in the bank but that's okay lizards are coming into reporting us but this is a real war as you nailed it you stole my thunder because you I understand why you want to show people this is veritas we're some pateco because the truth is true they hate wow he's using the fancy way they hate Tucker Carlson

they hate Donald Trump they hate me because we are populist we are we love the people the people get that they can see it they can feel it and they see what we've gone through and they don't want them to have a spirit so they think if they can break us and destroy us that's their symbol the American people

Trump always says look they got to get through me to get to you and it's totally true we have decided to stand up because we love America and we can't stand seeing this happen we're not heroes we just can't roll over it's like being raped and so oh they see us standing up and they can break us and smash us they can do it

and this is not my rights that are being robbed it's all my rights I mean when Steve Bannon cannot cross examine people at his own trial in a rig DC situation we are all having our rights stolen and when I can't say I'm innocent boy and

can't say I'm bankrupt and can't say there's three trials coming up literally she says we can say almost nothing but we have to be there and so that's where this is and and I'm just blessed it's not criminal you just he will not stop talking

I really don't like him comparing him after like half a decade in court having to pay money for slandering the families of dead children to being a rape victim I really I just I dislike that Dan I don't

think I don't think you should be able to do that I agree with you and he compares that he uses that comparison a lot and I will say that I don't often included on our show because of it being usually

like obviously always deeply offensive yeah but also usually even if you tracked the thinking it didn't make it doesn't make sense a lot of the time you know it's not a conceptual standpoint but I think there's important things to remember here beyond that too and that is

one Bannon chose not to do a defense he could have done he could have done a defense he did not all of the stuff Alex is saying are the products of his decisions he had every possibility to be able to

raise a first amendment defense he didn't do it he got to find a million dollars because he kept sending incompetent corporate representatives and the judge ran out of options he can say that the

you know the trial is like a staged rigged thing but he'll be taken out of court probably held in contempt just like anybody else in a courtroom would be like this is he's not special there's no special victim hood here

it's the product of his choices because he knew that if he went to trial he would lose and if he went to trial he would lose and it would be embarrassing but if he just decided not to participate he'd end up losing by default

and this would be the situation we were in and he could be like oh if only I had my day if only they allowed me to defend myself yeah it's the same thing Bannon's doing and it's the same thing Roger Stone did in his trial like all of them don't defend themselves in the

time when they're given the opportunity to because they know they don't have shit yeah because there's fucking no way to defend their behavior so their only defense is stretching it out as long as possible I guess and hoping that once again the system does

not actually penalize them in any meaningful way like Bannon will probably get a week in a fucking resort prison or some shit yeah it's hard to fault somebody for thinking you won't get any consequences based on the lack of consequences they don't usually yeah

yeah you just kick your feet and kick up dust and kind of just hope that eventually you'll have some resolution where you don't have to reveal more information that would be more destructive to your industry that sucks

so I'll be in Austin and I'll be watching the proceedings where Alex is not allowed to bring up the First Amendment he's not allowed to call it a show trial he can't call he can't say that he's innocent because he's already been found guilty

so it's irrelevant to the case so he's lost by default there's no there's no it's this what I do I wonder if Alex will actually show up to the courtroom that's something that I'm not sure about does he have to I don't think he physically

option for him to not show up I would imagine there's he could just send his lawyers I don't I don't I don't know I don't he doesn't have to testify or anything I don't think yeah I mean if he doesn't have to I would have to guess he's probably

not gonna show up right but then the the attention the possibility of it but he can say shit outside the courtroom well yeah I guess there's that like maybe it'll be worth it for him to show up outside or to show up

so that he can go outside of the courtroom and like he did a fucking impromptu press conference at his custody hearing a couple years back oh god yeah no I had forgotten about that okay well we'll see I could see I could see him doing like a little

rally outside the courthouse or something trying to promote his stupid documentary um but yeah we'll see we'll be posting episodes throughout the time there in Austin do trying to find some some relevant folks to interview perhaps

and you know giving some trial updates so well it'll be fun Robert thank you so much for joining me do you have any any closing thoughts about this disgraceful exchange I mean

number one thought is that it's worrying that Alex and and Steve are getting closer together because those really aren't two worlds that I like being tied close together however Steve Bannon is is really dangerous and I worry about him a lot

and Alex Jones is has a Mr. Magoo like ability to trip up people around him and get them into terrible terrible trouble that's true fun so possibly this will go well more than anything Dan I'd like people to listen to the Ben Folds William Shatner

album has been particularly the cover of common people the Shatner does on it because it it it it fucks I understand next week you're going to have a three part behind the bastards about that album it is it is the bastard of that

album is that I can't stop singing it it is have everyone around you label you the bastard for incessantly singing common people well they're probably going to label me the bastard because I think Shatner said something fucked up this week I refuse to read

new news stories about Shatner it doesn't matter okay is a he is an old man and will be dead soon it's fine if he believes I'm unaware of anything past him going to space that is where I checked out that was the last thing I needed from him yeah he fulfilled your

your narrative arc and we're done yeah I I sent him a letter the other day saying you're allowed to die William you let him go I let him go I let him go that's big of you well we should let ourselves go and wrap this up

but thank you again people can find your podcast behind the bastards fantastic chill thank you and thank you for summoning me with the power of song I am no longer in need of a hero but but thank you for being one for me

we will talk again soon yeah what a what a fine interview what what a lot of fun to talk about how stupid Steve Bannon is oh wow he's talking to Alex Jones God can you

can you believe it Celine I know you keep it quiet I have to pretend to meow for you just gonna kick back with a nice nice radler here just a nice nice treat myself you know I'm gonna be

taking this trip I deserve a little bit of a kick back no nice nice 2% beer you know that's about that's about what I want right about now maybe Dan Dan Dan freezing hey Dan Mark Bateson here Mark Bateson do you have

a few minutes to talk about the Sandy Hook truck for sure I mean I was just about to enjoy this nice beer that's really just lemonade but I would love to have a chat with you let's do it man how you doing you know what

pretty even keeled you know heading into the 4 year build up of the most surreal trial in American memory that's gonna be watched by the entire world I'm really chill about it yeah it seems like it you gotta lay back vibe I have to be honest I'm not thrilled with my radio theater that I

just did there we could second take man I'm very self-conscious now I don't think the second takes gonna be any better than the first okay but it's it's nice to talk to you I know that I'm gonna be asking okay go for it we're recording

this on Saturday evening I'm going to be there in person tomorrow but I wanted to sit down if it was at all possible and thankfully it is to talk a little bit about the what people can expect of the the coming trial it's actually

it looks like it's gonna happen there's no more bankruptcy stunts yeah yeah I mean look if you know what to expect tell me I'm waiting with baited breath I'd love to know I expect a dry heat there is there is no way to tell what's about to happen folks I'd like to say

it's a nice plan coordinated event but I'm dealing with one of the most unpredictable people in gosh in living memory yeah and yeah who knows what's gonna happen I think I know how it's gonna go down but who knows I mean there's

there's one thing that is the you know the preparation and the law aspect of it and the trial and I just I think I think you probably have your ducks in a row in terms of that the thing that just blows my mind is that you know we have

this this case is starting on Monday so that's the 25th and then on to the 29th Alex is releasing his documentary oh well I mean I guess I'll take a break from John take a look at that like what do you really think

you're gonna preempt the trial of the century because stop it Jesus yeah he's really trying to steal focus I don't know I saw him come out and do that Q&A Glen Greenwald like right on the eve of our trial and I'm like really this is your best attempt to

grab publicity after I've been absolutely smoking you and the entire global media for four years you come out with a guy in cell movie and it's a guy who almost got snowed and arrested and you're gonna like really well to be fair

I don't think Greenwald's that involved in the documentary I think he was a gun for hire for that Q&A but just shows up for the Q&A sure no it's ridiculous I was watching a little bit of that earlier before we started chatting and the director

was sitting in between Greenwald and Alex and she had her head down for long stretches of time seemed to not want to be there I'm not sure if I was reading too much into the body language but can't blame her um so yeah I know dogs you get fleas

yeah my mom told me that in Texas but I don't know if that's a regional thing or not but yeah I know feeling good I feel like if look if he's burning time doing that like I don't know what's going on over there man it's a mess and when they walk into the courtroom

look I think a legitimate expectation is they're gonna try to sabotage things they're gonna try to cause a mist trial or some garbage like that and we'll see how it goes but you know one thing I gotta say yeah exactly right exactly

if you know anything about the suit is that anything you think is about to happen is not is exactly what's not going to happen but the one thing I do have to say about though it's like the comfort I have going into this is we have a trial judge who I know is not going to tolerate nonsense right like we've been waiting

four years to get this thing trial just dead set determined to get it right Jones is in courtroom theatrics aren't going to be an issue he needs a some nonsense judge he needs somebody's like I'm gonna see where you're going with this yeah

yeah go for it no but that's not what's gonna happen there's a question that I had that I wanted to run by you and that is actually came up earlier and I was talking to Robert and that is that do you know if Alex is actually going to have to be there

have to be there that's an interesting question I was thinking that there's an entire possibility that he wouldn't even need to show up like the lawyers could just conceivably show up right like here okay so I'm thinking about how to answer this question because I'm starting to get asked it a lot

and so let's start with a couple suppositions one is the entire world who is paying attention to this thing damn well expects Alex Jones to show up to his trial damn well expects him to testify like that's part and parcel with what this is right um and

it's kind of anti-climactic for anybody who likes Alex if he doesn't right it's well look it's anti-climactic for me it's anti-climactic for everybody it's anti I mean you want the hero shot you know basically well or whatever that shot is um but but think about

it this way right like this jury at some point regardless of where they're going in their case they're going to want to see Alex Jones on the stand they're going to want to see that um and whether that happens or not the interesting thing is I'm not in control of that necessarily like that's not a thing

I govern um and if Alex Jones decides he wants to kick back into society he's not going to show up to this trial look I can't I can't I don't have the power to stop him under these circumstances right now and so your case like you don't really need to have him on like

testify or anything like you know there's no reason that you need to call him to the stand to make your case I mean look at this point I don't need anything I mean I mean I don't mean to be glib about it but like look I think it's people who've followed the show before know the default judgment that resulted to us

is while theatrical and climactic to the case is meaningless it doesn't mean a damn thing there's not like you were going to walk into this trial and people are going to go that's not defamation that's not intentional inflicts emotional stress like that was already decided

so like that's done and like all you gotta do is press play right like there's there's not I don't want to put it to in other words what I want to say is this is out of my hands at this point like it's not you can you can say all you want about how you perform

in a trial and there's going to be lots of cameras on me and there's going to be lots of people judging me from that respect but as far as what I can do to those 12 people in the box and the decision they're going to make I have that's out of my hands because this is purely about press play and let them react there's going to be 12

jurors and they're going to come up with a number and I'm what I'm going to as much as I in my personal life and around all this I have a lot of a lot a shake in fate in our systems and institutions one thing I and then particularly in jury trials I really do I have a lot of

cynicism I guess is how you could put it I built up after seeing how juries react certain things and sometimes it's good sometimes bad but but one thing I can say this particular trial this particular trial is so unique there's there's never been anything like what Jones did this is what we would call

in law a matter of first impression right this is nobody's going to have this is the first time a jury's going to have to look at this kind of conduct 10 years of somebody torturing parents and their children they're going to have to come up with a number of what it's worth and whatever number they come up with

is the correct number right because not either party in this courtroom I am convinced is going to have much of an effect of what they decide that correct number is they will be faced with what is basically undisputed facts and they will face the same

controversy and national outrage that has consumed part of the country for so many years on this and they will come up with that number and I'm kind of hands off I've gotten the case as well as position I could ever get a position for trial and at this point I put it in the hands of those 12 Austin jurors and I mean you have a lot of stuff to press play on

based on that's true based on the deposition stuff that we've covered I imagine just seeing the reaction of people to a lot of that would be amazing one of my most rewarding things I do on this case is for the first time

when I show somebody a document an email a piece of deposition footage that they didn't know and they're jaws on the floor a clip of Daria and they run away right right exactly or you know some of the people that you're going to be seeing at this trial and I'm going to give kind of

like a you know okay so I know your viewers love the deposition episodes those just have been they just love them I don't I don't I it's baffling to me but yes they're actually because if you listen to this deposition is dry they're on youtube they're rather dry but

dude I don't want to like I'm toot your horn or whatever but like the analysis you all do of in between questions it's just so it's so great I feel like we should just become a deposition cast a deposition cast exactly but what I want to let your viewers know is there's going to be a bunch of deposition

testimony clips played at this trial that they've never seen before there's going to be a bunch of new stuff and I'd like to preview that this raises the question after the trial are there going to be a bunch of depositions that will be public that weren't before

because if so deposition cast 2022 because this is our new direction I want to let your viewers know this they get they have not seen or heard because of the different rules they haven't heard they have never heard

Chris Matty depose a witness they've never heard Matt Blumenthal they've never heard that we've seen a little bit of the transcripts you've seen a little bit but you're going to see a couple of things in this one the one that everybody already knows from your show

is you're going to see a small clip played during the trial of Brittany Paws and we're going to be hearing from her as the corporate representative and then you're going to hear another deposition from this case that nobody's ever heard before and that's Robert Jacobson and Robert Jacobson was the former video editor for nearly 15 years

at InfoWars and he will testify some very very surprising things about what he knew and did inside of InfoWars that would be fascinating because he's already said some pretty bad stuff out in public

and then I'm being careful because obviously I want to disclose things that are in confidential deposition that will become public at the moment they're at trial but there are yes, Robert Jacobson is going to be testifying by deposition and that's going to be a very surprising deposition for a lot of people the other is

I know a lot of people know from the saga InfoWars reporter Dan Badandi oh yeah nobody's ever seen Dan Badandi and believe me that's very entertaining deposition someone deposed Dan Badandi

they did and they did and I tell you I hope that deposition does become one day fully public because we're going to be playing clips from it but the entire thing is as rewarding as you might expect it to be it is really something to see

that man deposed I often commented that he's a police officer's dream because you ask him one question and he answers six like it's fantastic, he just does not have an off switch that's the vibe I got from seeing some of his interviews that he did back when he worked at InfoWars it seemed like

this guy will talk another surprise guest another surprise guest will be Adon Salazar nobody's seen him deposed and Adon Salazar is one of the chief writers at InfoWars on Sandy Hook Talks and still like a major

figure there I don't know if I've ever seen his face exactly he's followed me on Twitter for a little while and then once we mentioned it he stopped following us on Twitter so there was something sneaky going on there but I don't want to

say this because I don't want to put this on you at all but just my personal perception of him is he seems like a shithead I don't know if the deposition will color my feelings at all but he seems like kind of the worst I will describe him more

in terms that the plaintiff's pleas would describe him as a deeply irresponsible and malicious journalist at every step that is polite and diplomatic and then the last sort of surprise that there will be is and this may not even be the last one

but everyone's exactly you got Kit Daniels who is deposed in our case and in Fontaine and in fact broke down in tears for what he did for 2 Marcel Fontaine he

is going to be appearing in his Lafferty deposition because he was also deposed there as well so we're going to have testimony from him there so we have a lot of people and we'll have a lot of people at trial we have experts, they're fully disclosed so I don't mind telling you that we're going to have Fred Zipp

the long time editor of the Austin Statemen testify about journalism and the standards of care he's now a University of Texas professor we'll have Becca Lewis who at any of our Twitter people is one of the foremost combatters

of misinformation out there she's a top-notch media researcher and she's going to be testifying a lot about the spread of info wars message and then we'll also have the therapist who's treated Neal and Scarlett since the day of Sandy Hook and as well as

Dr. Roy Lubit who is a pharyngeal psychologist who is published in the field of denial of trauma and he's going to be talking to the jury as well and we'll be seeing from the plaintiffs and a variety of info wars employees so it's going to be

a lot of people are kind of worried coming into this if it just being a damages trial are you going to get the full measure of what happened here and you absolutely will we're going to be going through the entire story of what happened and everything that's necessary for that jury to since you're kind of deprived of the

trial itself there is a need perhaps for damages to have some of that in this context if you're talking about like what you're saying a number for the damages you should

have an appreciation for what the damage that was done was the important part to hear is that the jury won't just be compensating for their arms to the plaintiffs they'll also be awarding punitive damages for to address the wanton malicious conduct and in doing that they'll have to really consider

how bad was this conduct so we're going to need to do a deep dive into exactly what they knew when they knew it and I think even for knowledge fight listeners I think it's going to be deeply surprising for them just the sheer volume that they

that they attacked the subject with the amount that they tormented people and the absolute depravity of knowing what they did was wrong that the people they were talking to were crazy talking story and for it to be all aired in one place it's finally going to happen

you know even for me somebody who's pretty well versed in this when I came down for the deposition seeing some of the materials was pretty surprising for me like I can be as cynical as the next guy and for me there was even a I don't want to say

benefit of the doubt but there was a I don't want to assume the worst until you know you see some information some of the I guess some of that is public because it was in those depositions but like some of those Wolfgang how big emails some of the indications of awareness

of things it was it was pretty eye-opening and if you know I assume there's a lot more so there is there's a lot of surprises to come and it's going to be quite a show let me ask you let me ask you a question here you're talking about surprises you're talking about info wars

employees were you able to track down my man jacari jackson or my gal leon macadoo because I want to meet them they're the old people my friend I have searched high and low

I have uncovered every rock and I must report to you that they are like the snows of yesteryear gone from this earth well you know I guess you know it may be best to let them let they actually they were involved

in in all this I was going to say they weren't involved in all this no they very much were in fact leon has not made much of appearance in videos that have been public and stuff but you know like there's there's going to be videos of her and rob do talking about some of the most

vile stuff in this case like this idea that the super bowl choir was actually the murdered children I mean yeah I remember that from some of the time I was going back over that that period of their content yeah it was yeah it was a little disappointing well it was a lot disappointing

it's a lot disappointing um but here it is yeah this is going to be I mean obviously I don't want to say this is going to be fun because it's not but it will not I can tell you that it will be cathartic and

yes and very interesting to see how it plays out I heard jones say that he was going to have born toast in the show so he could come to the bar and you know yeah let's see if he does that let's see if he does that the barns that he's thinking about

yeah yeah exactly I mean I keep seeing that I'm like him showing up on the show and talking all this stuff and it's like literally Alex Jones wrote in affidavit saying barns botched the case and please don't do x and y because we got rid of barns and he's still like god what a stupid

joke when you see them up there I mean the code for that is barns that's the case which I wanted him to do and now I'm blaming him 100% in a meaningless way everything they've ever done is a lie to the court it's just disgusting how much they just abjectly lie

to the court but but I really do believe it's true that like if he's not in that courtroom I mean come on look at the stuff that's like even if you don't care about it he wants to stay away from the parents he wants to like reduce the idea that there's a conflict between them and the parents

I'm the guy right I'm the guy who's the center of this conspiracy to take him down I'm the guy who has caused all these things like if you don't show up in that courtroom to face me man what the hell four years buddy we've been building up to this

you show up in that courtroom and I can tell you one person even like look it shouldn't be just for that for all of this building up but if he doesn't show up in that courtroom I can tell you one person he's going to be damn disappointed in that is Neil Huss has been waiting four years to look that man in the face in the courtroom and say you're going to take this

you're going to sit in front of a jury or peers he doesn't do that guy what kind of man is yeah that's something that gets really lost and I think it's intentional in the way that Alex discusses the case of like how he's so jammed up and how it's like a show trial for him and like

the reality is him trying to invalidate all of this is invalidating the family's right to have their day in court and then the flip side of that is that would also be his day in court look no

I'd like to even further emphasize what this means for the families right and I don't mean to be over traumatic about this is that when you have a plaintiff who is is actual injury when him and Scarlett's actual injury is the denial of their trauma

right is the denial then the vindication of a jury verdict is not just about justice it is I don't want to be over traumatic medically necessary you understand like they need to have this moment they need to have a public

reckoning where it's recognized their son was real this was bullshit what he did to them was bullshit like this needs to stop being the legacy needs to be how they vindicated the legacy of their child not that their child's legacies doubt all of this yeah that doesn't happen if that doesn't fully

happen they can't ever heal like this trial is not even that's its most important function is is is look we're all going to get a lot out of it too culturally it has not been but for these parents if he doesn't come in there and face him what the hell yeah yeah it's the the antidote

to that negation is affirmation you know to be good on some level yeah yeah well I guess I don't want to keep you all night so because we could talk for quite a while we could we could yeah is there any other like

important points you want to you want to get across or you know any message any message to the wonks out there yeah so first of all like thank you everybody out there in knowledge fight land yeah I'm in real like yeah yeah they they sit and build

some gummy worms that was really nice um I don't know it's been a really it's the best fan base I've ever encountered in my life they're they're passionate and and supportive and I don't love all of you um if any of you reside in Austin the the the trial is open

it's your courthouse come on down um and and and make yourself seen there and be a part of history and see it all I would love to see you there um but but just you know if you can't but also leave me alone leave me alone socially awkward not talk to me yeah please do not approach

me or any of that I will spray you with a spray bottle you just brought up a good point though there is a live stream of the proceedings there there will be a live stream if you need to find it all you need to do is go to youtube and search the 459th

district court and you will find the courts youtube page and and you know tweet and support and do whatever you can to have the community cathartic effect that we need right they do what you gotta do and just keep us in your thoughts and pretty soon we'll we'll

be at the end of this long journey I don't know what kind of angles the cameras in the courtroom will have but if you look if you look you might be able to find an easter egg of uh this guy yeah wearing a Hawaiian shirt of some sort maybe no I'll wear something

respectful yes of course um but yeah no it's gonna be it's it's I don't know what I was just about to say it's gonna be X and I don't know what it's gonna be yeah it's just gonna be let's check it out let's see what happens here it's gonna be interesting I look forward to

seeing you and I look forward to this process uh working itself to its uh conclusion and uh hope hope everybody comes out the other side a bit better for it except for Alex absolutely absolutely thanks thanks so much Mark uh

best of luck solid solidarity forever my friend amen Andy and Kansas you're on the earth thanks for holding so Alex I'm a first time color I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you