Knowledge Fight - #706: Photobombing And Sweating

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to discuss their first few days in Austin, taking in Alex Jones' trial.  In this installment, Jordan sees Alex in person for the first time, and Dan gets to watch Alex do a very sad impromptu press conference.

THE BAD GUNS Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. A couple dudes. I like to sit around in a hotel room in Austin, Texas. We worship Selene from afar. Indeed. And talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Yes, indeed. Who we saw today. What are we doing? Yes, a very serious question. We'll get back to this in a second, but we should probably talk about bright spots first. Yes. That's a good point. Dan. Yeah. Jordan. What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot is I was doing a little bit of work around the, the shit today after going to the trial. Yeah. And I wanted some food and I have nothing

in the hotel room. So I ordered Jack in the box. Nice. There's no Jack in the box in Chicago. No. And it is something that is beloved of me and my friends. True. Love a Jack in the box. Um, cause there was one like on the way to St. Louis. There wasn't any in Columbia either. And so it was like this real treat that you could pull over and go to the Jack in the box, get those shitty tacos. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Two for a dollar just cause they're not good. Doesn't mean that when the heart wants what it wants, there's a certain pride in liking garbage. Yes. Yes. But yeah. So I got that. I got some, some of the Jack in the box tacos. They showed up worst, worst delivery experience. Yeah.

I missed this guy. I shouldn't complain. You got hit by a truck yesterday. So that is true. There are differing levels of suffering that we have gone through. Your situation was maybe a little tougher, but I get the Jack in the box. Yeah. There's no sauce for the tacos. Yeah. And so I thought to myself, this is going to be disgusting. They're already disgusting, but the sauce makes them edible. Right. But I decided to soldier through and they were still pretty good. Nice. So yeah, that's my bright spot. That's a significant bright spot. My bright spot is that the Jack in the box tacos were not ruined by being sauce-less. Yes. So what about you? Getting hit by a truck? I mean, my bright spot is boy,

it's been a long cavalcade of shit for me. My bright spot is I've been really enjoying tweeting about the trial. Live tweeting. Literally nothing else that's been good so far. I've been hit by a truck. I've had to run around this whole fucking town for THC, for a soundboard that doesn't even fucking work half the point. All of this shit is bad, but I'm having a fun time. Live tweeting. It's all you got. It's all I got, man. Don't take it away from me. We should clarify a number of things because I think people might be confused. So first of all, the soundboard issue that you're talking about is we brought a small soundboard with which to record and did not realize until we got here that it did not have a USB connection.

So I couldn't plug into the laptop and I couldn't play clips through it. Issue. Yeah, problem. Now that's going into a lake. We're going to throw that into Barton Springs in honor of Alex. Yeah, we're going to write, Alex, this one's for you. Then you got a replacement, another one that has a USB connection and we cannot get it to work. I spent three hours plus earlier trying everything I could figure out to do it. So we're recording this year, but we can't play any clips. Sorry. It's not our fault. We have to take the blame because it's not anybody else's fault, but it is just bad happenstance. Sure. And I had a fun episode really ready to go, but I guess we just have to ruminate on our experience in Austin so

far. So you got hit by a truck though, but it's not like you got like it's not like you got T-boned or like run over. It was it was kind of a weird situation. We were driving in a fucking parking lot and my Lyft driver, I mean my rideshare driver, sure, was absolutely flying in the in the parking lot and I was not paying attention whatsoever. I was like, Hey, I'm happy that this guy's moving because I've been waiting here for a while. And then all of a sudden I am smashed into the passenger side door because we got T-boned by a fucking long escaping truck. One of those huge ass like F four thousands or whatever they're fucking called. Now I feel bad about saying you didn't get T-boned. Yeah, no, we got T-boned. I mean, he was it was like he was going 15,

20 miles an hour. Sure. You know, so all I have is a giant lump on my head. I didn't have a serious concussion or have to go to the hospital, which you made me. You're going to make me feel your head. I refused. I wasn't going to make you feel like I offered certainly suggested it. I gave you the I gave you the option. Do you so choose? Do you think that there's a possibility that this bump on the head is what is causing you to live tweet? There are so many possible things that the bump on the head could be responsible for super villain shit, poster, right, right. Oh no, I'm on the way to becoming Glenn Greenwald. Oh no, you become what you hate, Dan. Aging is the worst. Quite a path. Yeah. If I got there, we're in trouble. Yep. So yeah, what would that make me?

Would I be Matt Taibbi? Yeah, that would make sense, except for yeah, that would work. So we're here. We're in Austin and yeah. So two days in on the trial at this point when we're recording this at midnight because I couldn't get these recorders to work. We're doing great doing so good. We're doing great. Got in on Sunday. Yep. Monday was the jury selection right and we we had the thought or the belief was initially that we would be able to go to that and hang out at courthouse, but we were not. We're not able to. So instead watched a bit of that on the old live stream. Yeah. The judge, I believe didn't allow any media into the room during the jury selection. Yes. So this is what I've heard from other media folk. Right. When I say other media folk, I mean

media folk. Yes. The only ones. Right. Right. Not trying to pretend that we press badges or anything. I did put a little sign in my hat. Yeah. In my fedora. What hat? The bump? Yeah. Yeah. It was like put a little sign on your bump. It was like, excuse me. Yeah. And so yeah, that first day was a little bit uneventful. I think jury selection is kind of arduous process. There's a lot of repetition. Yeah. Kind of you get a little bit of insight into some stuff, obviously, but it's not it's not flashy. Yeah. It was interesting to watch the jury selection in full just because it appeared that the defense lawyer was absolutely willing to give up every bit of their strategy in every single question that was it was literally like, hey, what if I said I want a judgment of

one dollar? Who here? It was it was an auction. Like who here? Oh, who's by one dollar number 10? 40 dollars, you know, and then he asked what everybody's maximum amount would be. And the plaintiffs obviously objected because no. Yeah. Yeah. That seems that's absurd. Seems like a question you should be able to ask. Yes. Apparently you can't. Yep. So yeah, that that went on Monday. Let me ask you this. When you were watching it, obviously, don't you give any specifics? Sure. But did you find yourself polling for any jurors? Like not necessarily for them to be on the jury, but do you find yourself getting favorites? Absolutely. There were a few people who gave like, I mean, who gave responses that were impassioned, were empathetic, were caring,

and were the absolute wrong thing to say if you ever wanted to be on this fucking jury in your life, you know, like somebody was describing restorative justice almost to a tee. And it was listening to that. I was like, you're gone. Bye. Get out of here. You know, yeah, it was that fast. I think the dynamic is kind of fun because you couldn't really see the people. And so you just had their words. Yes. Judge on their words and the face of a lawyer unhappy. It's like the that dating game, you know, where you'd have bachelor number one, two and three behind the screen. Juror number one. I would have preferred a game of guess who where we could have just slapped off the people. No beard. We've got exactly. We've got a whole array. Just nope.

No glasses. Is your juror wearing? Yes. Yes. Doesn't have press in there. That's me. So that came to a close and we went and got barbecue. Yes. We went to get some barbecue, which was fine. That was my first and last food in the past three days. So I do. I on the other hand, check in the box, tacos, barbecue. I got some doughnuts for tomorrow morning. You're doing better than me, but I think I could outrun you at this point is the best I can do. You can run. That's good enough. Yep. So yeah, then today was the beginning of the opening statements and a little bit of a witness time. Yeah. How did you feel about Mark's opening statement? I thought it was good. Yeah. I thought, well, I mean, look, here's the thing.

When you talk about the opening statements that were made in this case, I think you got to look at both of them at the same time. I don't because I think obviously you could just say that Mark's opening statement was good, right? But in order to understand why it was good, you really have to look at the other one, which was not good. Amazing. Alex's lawyer's opening statement was not good. And one of the reasons why is first of all, it was kind of meandering. It wasn't very well delivered, whereas Mark had a sort of a sincerity behind what he was saying, a pathos, but more than that, there was an arc to it. Yes. There was a story essentially of like, here are relevant pieces of information that fit into what happened, right? And that was really

missing from the defense opening statement, which was just kind of like, come on. Alex apologized. It was like a series of, one, this isn't Alex's fault, even if he did say he did it and we heard him do it. Two, I know you saw those videos, but he didn't actually say that. Yeah. Three, come on, he apologized. That doesn't count. And four, it's again, everybody else's fault, but Alex's sue them. So one of the things that the opening statement certainly included for the defense was the notion of you've got to watch the videos. Oh yeah. And that came up a couple of times. And I have such a conflicted relationship with that because I do think you do need to generally. Well, you would have to. A lot of times there are, there is context that's missing from short sections of

videos. True. But if you are Alex and you demand people watch whole videos, no one has the time in their life to do it. No. And if that's the standard of being able to judge Alex's intentions, like nobody except me would be qualified to have an opinion on what he did. Right. Maybe that's true, which means that yours is the only opinion that counts. Right. So I think we've already established the laws. But you understand someone would just come back to me with like, Oh, you didn't watch this or something. No, of course. There's always going to be some standard of something that you're missing. Right. And that's, that's, that's difficult because I think some people can be done dirty by selective attention and cherry picking of stuff. Well,

and I, but I don't think that's the case here at all. Not just that, but in Mark's opening arguments, he played a clip where infowars clearly edited versions of clips together deceptively to avoid playing the full clip. So Alex is guilty of the thing that he blames everybody else for not doing. Well, that, that clip that you're talking about is the one where Owen Schreuer is talking about Mr. Hesslin in his interview on Megan Kelly. Yeah. And they play two clips, one of Dr. Wayne Carver and one of one of the other parents. And they are edited in such a way as to make it appear that they are saying that they didn't see the kids and there was no, right? Right. And so the issue is, I don't think anybody can demonstrate that info wars edited those videos. They may have

come in house deceptively edited possible. So it's still their fault for not finding out what the context is. Yeah. But yeah, maybe they didn't do it themselves. Maybe they didn't make the videos, but if you're the ones who play it on info wars while saying that everybody else needs to watch the full clip, go fuck yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Point. Point stands. Just wanted to. Yes. Clarification from the judge. I'm talking legalese now. So we showed up prior to these, these opening statements and I had a nice seat in the front row reserved. You had to go to the back. Because I am a bad boy. Yep. You know, they thought it would dampen the sound a little bit in case you yelled something. The first thing that happened when I sat down in the back

after Alex walked in. Well, I was going to get to that. Oh, okay. Sorry. Thanks for ruining the dramatic reveal. I'm sorry. No, see, I, so I sat down, I was sitting next to Sebastian Murdock from the Huffington Post who was there. Very, very nice to meet him. Yep. And they were just, there was this weird buzz of like, is Alex going to show up? Right. Cause he wasn't there. He wasn't there on Monday. Exactly. He had played sick or something. And so yeah, there was just kind of a feeling in the air of, is he going to show up? And my conjecture had been, I know I'd said this to you and talked to Robert about it a little bit on the episode that we did, that Alex was going to show up and he was going to make a scene. Yeah. He was going to be a dick

outside the courtroom because he couldn't behave like a dick inside the courtroom. Correct. That was kind of my theory if he did show up, but we didn't know if he was going to. And so we're there. We're hanging out, having a good time business. Boom. And walks Alex in a disgusting just gross, just gross, shlubby fucking jacket. Not, not to insult the man based on his appearance. No, I'm insulting him. I'm insulting him based upon respect for the court. Right. Right. Look better than that jacket. Not good. Now I sweat through a shirt that wasn't very attractive at all. True. I don't have respect for courts. So that's fine with me. Yes. That you're not there in a position where you have to wear an undershirt. So Alex walked in and I was in the deposition. So

I've been in a room with him before. Right. And I don't know what it was like for you to experience him in the flesh for the first time. You know, it was, it was very similar to what you described when you met him for the first time, which was like one, you should know who I am. It does. Two, I'm sure. I know. I know. And two, boy, this is really disappointing. Yeah. You are a disappointing motherfucker. What it is. You know, what was super weird was that I was surprised by how little the atmosphere in the room changed when he came in. You know, like I really, yeah, there was a part of me that expected like this electric thing was going to come in and right. It wasn't. It was just kind of a dude with way too much security. Yeah, way too much security. So

I counted six total. Yeah, there's a bunch. Yeah. And outside. Well, after you had left, yeah, Alex was doing a little bit of a small press conference outside. He had some other security guards, Jesus, one of whom may have had a fake mustache. It is unclear. Or was he one of the ones from earlier in the day? No, no, different, definitely a different guy. All right. But yeah, so Alex shows up and beyond just like the atmosphere in the room, not really changing. And it just being like, eh, he showed up. Hey, what about that? Hey, beyond that, the other thing that I was really struck by was how few people were there. Really? Not many people. I say this and I say this at risk of sounding conceited. Yeah,

I think there were more knowledge fight fans there than Alex. I agree. There were three or four people who came up to us and thank you for saying hello. It was nice to meet you all. And they were like, we're not hearing any official capacity. We just came to see the shit. Yeah. Yeah. And very polite, nice and totally incredibly good. Nice to meet some folks, but I didn't see anybody who like appeared to be someone I would recognize from info wars world like one of the other reporters like he had. He could have just had like Harrison Smith wait out in the hall or Savannah Hernandez and then do an interview or something. Harrison has to wait in the car. Okay. The windows rolled up. If he lives, if he lives, if he dies,

he dies right now. Alex is snake handling. Yes. So it was, it was not packed really at all. And that was that surprised me a little bit. I thought that I mean, I don't know what I thought, but I figured Alex would have some kind of a fan base. I mean, first off, the first thing that we thought was get there early cause we don't know if there's going to be enough room, right? You know? Yeah. There was plenty of room. Now a lot of people were like taking up more space maybe than they and there were some people like there was at least a few people with equipment, you know, like cameras or what have you. So like that takes up more than one seat. Yes. But yeah, it, um, I, I was baffled by that. I think that's sad for him.

I don't know. Maybe he, maybe he would actively not want any of his fans in the courtroom on account of all the truth that he's not allowed to lie about. Well, but he's, he doesn't have to talk. That's true. You know, he's not like, it's not like he's going to be up on the stand, getting, uh, getting debased or anything. True. But I think that, you know, I have two minds about it. One is I think that if I were him, I probably wouldn't want my listeners there either, not necessarily because of what they would be exposed to because, you know, you can wiggle around, but because of like, you know that they're going to not be cool, right? You know, like, they're not going to be people you want to meet probably, right? Alex likes to run away from

people right who like him. Yes. And then second, um, they're probably going to yell 1776 in the court 100% and that would be bad, I guess, but then here's where the other part of my mind is, you know, maybe that would be good. Maybe that would be what you'd want. Disrupt the court entirely and have somebody else do it that you don't have to take responsibility for. That's true. You know, and, and I guess, although that may really prejudice the jury against you. If one of your fans busts out just going 1776, I think if I were on a jury, I'd be like that guy is the bad guy. I do think that would bias me if I was on a jury that, uh, this person is very passionate and believes in America. Sure. Sure. That's what I would instills it in their followers.

That's what I would think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so the opening statements, like I said, I think we agree on this one good one bad. It reminds me of relativity. You know how if you're moving close to the speed of light, time moves slower. So, you know, if you go out at a million, light year away, you know, and then come back, everybody you know is two years older and you're still the same age relatively speaking, right? Yeah. That is similar to the opening arguments. Mark went to fucking, uh, the Andromeda galaxy and this dude dug himself like grave. Well, Mark had a PowerPoint presentation with some clips and context and all this and the Alex's lawyer had a, uh, like a board to write on like a big notepad. Yep. Uh, they wrote slowly on. Yes,

it was excruciating. And most of it was really just like, here's a stretch of time and then like, like one word, like 2016, he wrote on there to just Hillary. Yep. It's like, what? Okay. Why are we? What? Are we here? Yeah. But here's what really bummed me out. What's that? So when we got in to the courtroom initially, there were some props. Yes, there were. Alex's lawyers had some props right in the gate. One of them was a board that said something to the effect of like info wars coverage of Sandy Hook was one fifth of one percent of their coverage. And then there was another thing that was like, I think it was going to be velcroed onto the big board. No, it was like a magnifying glass in order to demonstrate the, uh, that's what I thought. Oh

shit. That's what that shape was. And it wasn't unveiled because I was sitting in the background. Yeah. Yeah. It's like front row. You get to see the magnifying glass, baby. And it wasn't allowed in court. Right. So I didn't get to know what the oddly shaped thing was. This was excluded as being something that could be presented. I think for a number of reasons. One, tacky. Yeah. Two, um, I, but as I understand it, it was that like, if you're going to say that you have to be able to demonstrate it, right? And you can't demonstrate that it was one half of one percent. It's tough. Um, yeah. But here's why I'm pissed off about this. I wanted, I wanted those props. God, they would have been so funny. I want those props so bad. I understand the judge.

How would I get it back to Chicago though? The judge needed to disqualify those on account of this is a courtroom in real life. She should have confiscated them. Absolutely. And then give them to you. But I mean, those are not going to help the defense. No, the big board that they, they had the big sign that that I did get to see a little bit of because it was, uh, they was unveiled pre, uh, you know, early and it basically looked like the McDonald's, like over 500,000 hours sold. Like it was that kind of thing. You know, trying to make a big deal of like, he does a ton of content and this much was about San Diego. This guy lies about everything. What are you going to hold him accountable for this? Right? Yeah. I've been alive like a million hours. Only two of them

I spent murdering. Yeah. What is it? What are you going to hold it against? Who among us has not spent two hours? We regret. I want those fucking props. I got to find, I'm tomorrow morning, we're going to, I'm going back to the courthouse. You're going to live tweet and try to figure out the sound. Yeah. Um, but I, before I go into the courthouse, I'm going to try and find their dumpster. See if it's in there. Oh man. See if it's in the courthouse. What else would they do with it? Throw it into Barton Springs. We're going to throw our soundboard right next to it. It would be like, oh my God, what's happening here? Then we're going to find Mark's car is in there. The body guards all threw it in the fake mustaches in there. Yes. Absolutely. Oh God.

So the opening statements go down and actually in between them, there's a recess and we, everybody exits the court. Alex goes out before us. And as we're exiting, you can see that a little ways down the hallway, which is the only way to leave this courtroom can't miss it. Alex has posted up in front of some cameras and is yelling about how he got jammed up. Yep. Now, Jordan, uh, ever the yellow decides you decided that you wanted to interfere. Yeah, I was just disrupt the, I was just sitting here listening to this bullshit and watching these people in a courtroom protect him and his ability to say nonsense on camera, which is the whole point of this fucking trial that he shouldn't be allowed to fair. And then they're going to come

at me for being like, Hey, I need to yell at this motherfucker. You know, sure. So instantly after I said something, the court officer just walks up to me, gets right in front of my face, real close and goes, that's a warning. And it's like, fuck you, man. Well, there's two things. I don't think it was that intimidating. He wasn't intimidating. And his motion wasn't as intimidating as you were. You're trying to make it sound taller than him. And then second, I think that I see both sides of this. I get where you're coming from. And I think in a cosmic scale. Yes. Yeah, I agree. Um, but in the sort of the individual, like actual real world of it, like we're there and it's a disrespect to the court. What he's doing and you'd be adding to it.

Of course. If you, if you yelled at him. So I'm glad, I'm glad that, uh, calmer heads prevailed. True. And my stealth strategy worked. Yes. Which was stand behind him, like stare into the camera until you're there on Fox seven. Right. So my goal was insert myself in some entirely wears Waldo ass in the background kind of way. And you were photo bomb his, his news conference. Perfect. Um, and so, you know, if Alex watches himself on the news, he's now going to see me behind him. And that, uh, that worked out okay. Yeah. I don't think I was in all of the shots. No, you were in quite a bit of it. I watched a little bit of that segment and we were both well, I'll tell you this. My, my sweaty pits were, uh, prominently featured, uh, in, in many, uh,

clip. I, uh, I also got sidetracked with glad handing. Yes. Bill walked by and a reporter I'd met. Right. So, you know, a lot of, a lot of, hello, how do you do this? Um, so that happens. And I thought for sure Alex was going to leave. I thought like, okay, he's done his beast. He's going to leave. Right. Um, but he ended up staying for his own, uh, opening statement. Um, and, uh, at that point, the, uh, judge warned him about doing what he had done in the hallway. Right. Rightfully. And, uh, maybe, uh, a little late to warn. Maybe that should have been immediate. Do you think? Yeah. I'm not going to talk the judge too bad, but a little bit late is the story of this trial. Well, you know, I think, I think when you're dealing with somebody like Alex,

you got to give as many benefits of doubt as you can, because the argument is always going to be that you jammed this person up and you got to cover all your bases to make sure that those things are flimsy appearances that could be knocked down super easily. And I understand. Yeah. But I think that if you're somebody who's like some kind of an awareness of how Alex operates, you can't do many press conferences would have been like ground rule. I mean, we're on year what now? He did that during his like, uh, custody hearing. Yep. This is what he does. Yep. Anyway, I should be allowed to give an impromptu press conference outside. I mean, I think that's fair. If he's going to be a giant, I think I should be allowed

to as well. Well, but you would have then gotten, uh, told to leave. I was basically told to leave. You were not. Well, you were like, I'm going to leave. I'm too sweaty. I am way too sweaty. Your pits told you to man man. Extreme anxiety is not fun. Yeah. No, I'm not realizing that weed isn't legal here until you get here. Yeah, it is. It is weird to have extreme anxiety and have treated it successfully with THC for a few years. And then just all of a sudden people are like, no, your meds are illegal. Like, Oh, okay. I guess I'm just going to sweat my balls off in this courtroom then. Um, that is tough. And, uh, I was, uh, mentioning that to somebody about how, uh, you know, it's tough during the weeds illegal here. You know, we're from Chicago,

you can just go get it. He's like, you know, we, you can get it here too. Sure. Yeah. If you know someone, or if you go get Delta eight shit, man, I've been doing THC for too long to believe that Delta, well, I, I suck down an entire vape cartridge of Delta eight. And, uh, yeah, as part of your sweating. No, no, no, no, that was, that was yesterday. I ran out today. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, Alex gets reprimanded and told, Hey, cut it out with this bullshit, uh, shenanigans. And, um, you know, uh, I, I regretted maybe staying, uh, for the, the second part. Yeah. Cause that guy's, uh, opening statement was pretty boring. Um, but then yeah, it took off to, uh, come back, here, uh, come back to the hotel to do some work and watch the, uh, the stream from here.

And the, you missed out on this. You had already left and outside, uh, outside of the courtroom, Alex showed up outside right in order to do another mini press course because he had told he, he was told he can't do one in the room. And so he did it out in front of the courthouse and he put on that like info wars bumper sticker over his mouth. Wow. And then just took it off basically when he realized that there was nobody out there. Powerful. There was no buddy. What a message. He had no fans hanging out. There was no press. Here's who the press was. You had, uh, Sebastian from Balfington post. You had Liz Williamson from the New York times and that might have been it. Yeah. That sounds about right. There were more security guards than there were

press and fans combined. True. It was so sad because Alex was holding his, his like little thing and you could, I was watching from afar and I could tell that he was doing his, they will not let me defend myself. Right. And then he realized that the reporters were people that he knew and didn't like him and you could see like a little bit of a shit. So then he posed with his lawyer with the bumper sticker over his mouth. Oh my God. What a pathetic loser. Yeah. Then he took off. Yeah. That's, that's tough. It was hilarious to watch because there was such a impotent showmanship. Yeah. It was a showman without a crowd and that was fun. God. If somebody had played the curb theme song, right? Well, that was what I was saying. I wanted to do instead of yelling at Alex

was just put on the Cantina theme from Star Wars and dance around. Wailing Jesus here. Yeah. Just dance around behind him. Oh, God. Yeah. I, I think I thought there was something really sad about that. Yeah. But then it kind of hit me that, you know, that electricness that you didn't feel when he walked into the room. I noticed that you could kind of get a little bit of that sense when he was in front of those cameras. Yeah. There was there. It wasn't the vibe in the room didn't change because he didn't turn himself on. Yeah. Like he can just turn himself on and off. Yep. And whatever. And he just was like, I'm here. I'm just catatonic or whatever. No. He's, he is a, I mean, after the, I don't know, you couldn't, you couldn't see this because you

left the courtroom, but on the feed after the opening arguments, Alex and his lawyer were laughing. The lawyer essentially said, you know, I think we've got half the jury because he's a moron. Sure. And then he's an optimist. And then, well, I listened to him talk. You decide. And then Alex, well, he was an optimist thinking those props were gonna fly. That's true. That's true. Yeah. That's true. And then Alex looks directly at the feed camera and then gives it finger guns straight up, double finger guns and laughing like wow. I feel like if it wasn't Alex Jones and it wasn't in a courtroom, I could kind of dig that. Yeah. No, no. Same. Yeah. I would, I would have appreciated it more if he had done that to the judge, but I think that would have

gotten him a charge. Now let me sink. Now watch me sink this three. Exactly. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. From what I understand from what you were saying, that there was a bit in the, a bit of things that you could see in the feed because they didn't realize that their mic was on. I guess they didn't know that the mics were still on because you could hear half of what they were talking about. Hopefully not anything like important strategy wise. I mean, there were some things where if you really dug in and like tried to catch, because you could hear just like little bits and pieces of sentences and there, there were some things where, where I really did think that I don't think they want this to be public. I don't think they want this on the stream.

Yeah. Well, bad news. But, but I think there is a transitory feel about that too, because you're not allowed to record any of that stuff, which is why we'll never have clips of the court hearings or anything. But yeah, I, I, I, it's one in the morning now. Yes. Because I was sort of ballparking it when I said midnight. Sure. We have to get to the courthouse tomorrow morning. And I'm excited about that. Yes. Because there's going to be more witnesses and I think day three is going to be, you know, more interesting. And I think that Alex probably won't be there. And I think that'll create less of a like severe discomfort. Well, the judge and the lawyers were, were very, the judge was very clear that Rob do is supposed to be there tomorrow. Well,

like he is supposed to be there. We will see if they will see if they do the do. Yes. We will see if the do does you. If so, I hope he's wearing his candle. Yeah. I, I, I wonder how tall he is in person. I wonder if the room changes when do do is like, whoa, you don't do's here. You don't know it, but he has like just a, just a animal magnetism. Like everybody is like, holy shit. Watch out. This is like a young Bill Clinton walking into the room. He can just put his eyes on you and you feel special. Rob dudes breaks out of sex starts wailing on it. Yeah. So I think that'll be interesting. And hopefully you can get this audio fixed because I would, I would like to be able to play some clips. We're going to do our best. I don't feel like we're at our strongest

when we're just relaying things. We're, we're having fun. We are less practiced at just relaying things. And so I think it feels a little bit different since, but I mean, which is not to say that clips are, are any sort of crutch or necessity so much as it is, we're just not practiced at 700 episodes in, you know, you kind of have a, have a rhythm. Yeah. Have some things that we're used to. And I think the audience has become accustomed to. I agree. And they'll be back. But yeah, you have any, any other thoughts about the experience thus far? I will tell, I will tell one story that when Alex walked into the courtroom and his security detail followed him, two of them went and stood at the back of the room right next to me where I was

sitting in the, what I'll call a pew. It is a pew. Yeah. That's what it is. And I looked over and I saw their, their earpieces and I was like, Oh my God, are you guys Alex's security detail? Do you want to sit next to me? They did not respond. And then went and sat over on the other side and just started talking amongst themselves and every now and again looking back at me, like I was a threat of some sort. You texted me very scared. I was not happy about it. That was why you were sweating so early in the morning. My extreme anxiety has already kicked in because I'm in a courthouse where I'm not supposed to be unless I'm going to go to jail. That's the way I think of it. You know, yeah, that's usually why people are there. Yeah. So in my head, I was

already going to be accidentally convicted of Alex's crimes. And then I've got two former Blackwater motherfuckers, like I think only one of them is former Blackwater. Yeah, sure. Whatever. But the, that is fun. Like that idea that you're like, man, if I screw up, this is all going to be about me. This is what I'm trying to explain about extreme anxiety. This is an elaborate trap to jail. It is nice to think that I'm, I'm, oh Jordan, you're so ridiculous, but it's not me. No, I'm not thinking that now. It's the sweet, sweet intersection of narcissism and anxiety. That's that man. Thy name is Jordan. So you got, we got a lot to enjoy over the coming days and we do. There will be episodes

probably more regularly than normal, but also I don't want to, it all depends on how good you are getting. Yeah, I know. Isn't that the issue? That is the issue. It's coming down to me. So hopefully I will, for once in my life, step up to the plate. I certainly hope you're not like he struck out. Yes, I understand the whole town. Very sad. Brutal. But we have Glenn Greenwald and Alex Jones doing the Q and A. We got that coming up. Oh yeah. We got Alex's war, the documentary about Alex coming up. You got it. We got some probably going to have some chats with some folks who are here. There's some folks here. Why not talk to them? Maybe I'll find Rob do tomorrow and be drawn in by his charisma, get a job at info wars. Could happen. You'll sit right next to

Alex and you'll keep him from getting sued again. That's your job. It's just to bite him whenever he says something scary. I feel like from a monetary perspective, that might be worth it for him. That might be worth several hundreds of millions of dollars, depending on the judgment in the case. Yeah. My price is not cheap. No. He doesn't look like someone who you want to buy. No. No. Not for free anyways. No. So Jordan, I guess we'll be back. But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge.org. Just go fight and I go to bed, Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark. I am right behind Alex. I'm standing right there. Don't turn

around. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.