Knowledge Fight - #797: Belly-Floppin' Into The Pool

Episode Date: April 17, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan set out to discuss the April 14, 2023 episode of Alex's show but accidentally veer off course into a ridiculous interview Alex did with Tim Pool just before he came into studio.

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Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today is we're going back to novelty. We're going to talk a little bit about it. All right.

I was at a candy shop the other day. Okay. And I could not resist the siren song of two particular things. There were so many candies to choose from, but I couldn't resist these two. Sure. One was a fruit loops gummy gummy fruit loops. All right. So they're, so they're like the life saver gummies, but they're the fruit saver.

A fruit like fruit loop gummies version of life saver gummies. Sort of. Yeah. But you know, fruit loops has a distinctive flavor. I've gone on record and I'm willing to stand by this. You have. The fruit loops pop tart is an okay pop tart famously. Yes.

You are the only defender of the fruit loops pop tart. Now the standard is a little lower because most pop tarts are terrible. That's true. So I'm not saying much when I say it, but I say it. Yeah. I mean, you got your, you got your brown sugar cinnamon. You got your strawberry. The end of pop tarts.

Fruit loops. Maybe s'mores, but I don't know. S'mores are a dessert. I like to introduce you to my friend. So those are pretty good. But then the other thing that I couldn't resist was a bag of starburst cotton candy. I genuinely don't even know how to. What?

What? It's a bag of starburst. Well, I thought it would come on a stick, but I opened up the bag and it was just like a brick. It was just a brick of cotton candy. And it was the red flavor. So it was red and pink. Oh, so it's only that?

Yeah. It's just those two flavors. Okay. Starburst out of cotton candy. I guess it kind of was, but I didn't feel like it was intended to be. Maybe it was kind of in the shape. Okay. It was just a brick.

Sure. But it was good, but it also had a cough drop kind of taste to it. That doesn't make, that makes even less sense. It does. Also, I learned something about myself. Don't like cotton candy. Why would you? It's kind of gross.

It's never been good. The very idea of it is it's, it's best left to the carnival. And as a like entertaining thing, you're watching the guy with the stick. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Swirling it around. Totally.

It's kind of like magic, but yeah. No, I, I, um, all, all of our, all of our carnival, uh, childhood stuff, you know, those are experiences that remain at the carnival. You can never take it. You can, I'm never going to get like a bear's ear. What is it? A pig's ear. What is it?

Well, I don't get that. No, I'm never going to get that outside. Corn dog though. Corn dog. You might get a corn dog somewhere. Deep fried Snickers. Snickers bar. Deep fry it.

Deep fried Snickers where? I don't know. Some like the Korean barbecue down the street. I feel like I've seen that at some like, uh, sort of highfalutin putting on airs type of restaurant where they're trying to like reinvent the deep fried Snickers. I feel like I have, cause I think I've eaten it there. We've got a deconstructed deep fried Snickers. Oh, it's just Snickers and bread.

Yes, exactly. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I feel like that starburst, uh, cotton candy might get a half bright spot. All right. All right. And then the free loops of ones actually in hindsight weren't very good. But hey, I'm not mad at them. No, it's the novelty.

That's the bright spot. Not the, not the follow through. Well, I mean, I just got to, I got to let people know. I got to check it. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.

The weird things. No. People have constantly been wondering, are you still drinking seltzer? And the answer is, I think no, right? Yeah. Just not that much. Yeah. I still enjoy a seltzer.

Okay. I had a Perrier the other day. All right. All right. I'm not, I'm not attacking. Uh, also I got a little bit of heat over my opinions about the strawberry cream, Dr Pepper. I respect all y'all's opinions, but I disagree.

There is nothing that you can't fight about now. There's just nothing. You can't even just be like, I don't like this soda. You're welcome to like it. Not going to change my mind that it sucks. That's fair. So what about you? What's your bright spot?

My bright spot, Dan, was yesterday. Uh, my wife and I had the chance for the first time in a long time to go out and play tennis on a really nice warm day. In a while. Sunny out, bright. Of course it's going to snow tonight because that's the world we live in now. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, it was fantastic.

It's Chicago logic. Doing great. It was, uh, it was felt, it felt really good. I didn't even. What are you out there on clay? No, no, no, no. That's, uh, that's very rare. Okay.

There's not a lot of clay courts in Chicago. No, I don't think there are any clay courts in Chicago. What is it? Final, uh, linoleum. Can you play on vinyl? Rug. Hardwood. I would be interested in an indoor rug tennis league.

That would be fascinating. So much. That wouldn't be good. A lot of broken ankles. And if you're diving for anything, there's rug burn all over. The static electricity alone would kill many people. Maybe this is how we solve the energy crisis though. That's possible.

That static electricity charges the whole room. Right. Yeah. It's a, it's a carbon neutral playing court. Yeah. This is how these tennis players can give back. I like it. I like it.

Yeah. I think that's the way we should go. How'd, uh, how'd it go? Who won? We don't, we've never played a game ever. We just, we don't do any of that. It's a little back and forth. We just go out there and we hit the ball back and forth for an hour.

And sometimes good things happen and people go, ah, and that's pretty much it. It's enjoyable. Yeah. Let me, let me put you on the spot here. Sure. You telling me that you're not keeping score in your head even if you're not like competing? No. I mean, I mean, honestly, because, because with tennis, I might believe you.

Here's the thing about tennis, which makes keeping score very difficult if you're not inside the game. Right. If you want to keep playing, then when somebody hits the ball outside of the line, but it's still in the doubles court, you just keep hitting, you know. So where in your mind, you would think, oh, that's a point for me. If you keep hitting like four or five more times, you don't even remember that it was out before.

You know, that's a completely different point. I don't keep track of that. Yeah. Tennis is dumb that way. It is dumb that way. It's not like 1.2 points. It's not. It's back and forth and all this.

It's very silly. It doesn't make any sense at a one point. They call the score deuce even though it's tied and it doesn't have anything to do with two. It's fascinating. Yeah. Weird. Yeah.

Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode that went quite far afield of where I meant it to go. That sounds right. Today we're sort of talking about April 14th, 2023, which is Friday's episode. All right. Sort of talking about sort of. Yes. And all will make sense in due time. Okay.

But before we get to any of that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wands. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Regina Calabrese, your friendly neighborhood cult whisperer. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Next, I would like a BLT, but this time I don't want cucumbers in it. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. There's got to be some kind of an inside joke that I hope isn't offensive. Yeah.

Next, welcome to the world. Alexandra Noel. Congratulations to Alan and Cynthia. Alan. This is where I'm supposed to insert stone colds, glass breaking intro sound, but I I'll still stone cold stunner you. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next, happy birthday, Erica. I love you. You're GF Jade. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. What does GF stand for? Gluten-free? Oh. What? Where is this coming from? I had to undo the sweetness of the I love you and stuff. Sure, sure, sure.

I got you. We got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan. Okay. So first, my dad said Alex Jones has some good points, so I'm considering going no contact. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat and Peter and Wiley technocrats. Thank you so much.

You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action.

He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you all. Yes. Thank you very much. So I've listened to a lot of Alex shows. I have heard that.

Yeah. In the past. I've listened to quite a few. Uh huh. So it started, uh, like no other that I think I've ever heard. Maybe if I'm sorry, what if I've heard something like this, I, it's been so far in the past that I've forgotten about it. Okay.

This, this was pretty funny. All right. It's Friday, April 14th, 2023. I'm Alex Jones live from my car. As we speak, I'm pulling up in the studio. I'll be live on air in T minus five minutes. Stay with us. Let a big broadcast come in.

Hey, this is Alex Jones. I've run in late. You cannot, you cannot call into work late if you're a live show. That's not fair. Well, it certainly, I mean, it raises a lot of questions. The first is why didn't they just air a special report? They could usually do that in the first five minutes of the show and then start at six after like it's that chunk that isn't broadcast on a lot of the radio stations that he's on.

Right. So it's kind of just a forgotten zone. Yeah. There's no reason for him to call in from his car and be like, Hey guys, I'll be right there. That's odd. That's odd. I've done that so many times before.

I've done that. Sure. I'm going to, Hey, boss, I'm going to be 15 minutes late this morning. Sorry. My bad. Hey, I'm on my way and it's, that means I'm about to get in the shower. I'll be there. I'll be there a half hour, half hour, 45 minutes max.

Yeah. It's very strange, but I liked it. That gives a certain urgency that I wasn't expecting. And I actually think that's a good way to start for him. I was intrigued for maybe a minute after he got on the show. Yeah. And speaking of AI, I just had a two plus hour great conversation with Tim Poole who's here in Austin, Texas with his morning popular podcast and I'll be back with him tonight with

his nighttime popular podcast, extremely hit podcast at the Vulcan Gas Company. I think Joe Rogan's going to be popping by as he is. And so that should be, that should definitely be interesting. There'll be some excerpts of that on the show undoubtedly Sunday, but wow. I got to say, I've done a lot of podcasts and I've done Tim cast five or six times, I think, but this was the best one. And this was one of the best podcasts I've ever been involved in two hours of breaking down the secrets of the New World Order, the AI takeover, the battle to the future of humanity.

I definitely am going to get some big excerpts of that podcast and air it on the Sunday show. So now we know why he was late. Yeah. Because he was recording another show. Yeah. And he's giving himself a really good way to be like stupid hungover and drunk all weekend. At the Vulcan Gas Company and what have you. Yeah.

Play all this shit on Sunday. Yep. Sweet. Yep. Yep. It's a light weekend. Yeah, that's nice. So Tim Poole, as we've discussed, is a bit of a shithead and typically someone I'm not

interested in at all. However, since we now see him intersecting directly with Alex, so I thought it was a little bit of a good time to talk about what's going on right here. The first thing is that there was a festival over the weekend in Austin that was sponsored by Mines, which is some kind of a competing Twitter app that I guess Tim Poole and his associates are really into. And like the CEO of it has been a guest on a bunch of stuff of Tim Poole's. All right.

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and he'd cold read news headlines and then riff about them. Right trash. Right. So it's Tim Cast and then Tim Cast ignorant racist losers. Yes. Gotcha. It was a real like the Tim Cast one where he's to talk about news stories was a real clickbait ass game and the thumbnails for those videos were a constant source of criticism for him. He'd have attention grabbing announcements like quote Paul Pelosi attack story gets crazier as attackers son says maybe was sex slave. Or of course who could forget quote Joe Rogan predicts GOP Red Wave as diesel shortage gets apocalyptic. If you scroll through his channel you know notice that there is a near obsession with the coming civil war a coming nuclear world

war and using the word apocalyptic very liberally. All right. Just throw it around. Everything is fucking apocalyptic. You know sometimes it can feel that way. Emotionally I can resonate with the feeling of apocalypse and that's why you put in a clickbait headline. You got it resonates with you like maybe I'll click on this. See how apocalyptic it gets. That's how it works. It's a trash show and he probably wasn't bringing in the kind of revenue that Tim Cast IRL was. So a couple months back Tim decided that channel is done. He's done with that channel smart and he's going to start a secondary show there called the culture war where he sits down with a single guest and pretends he's Joe Rogan dumb I guess his

hook and what makes him different is that he's going to have looser booking standards than someone like Joe. So you'll end up with some real shithead sitting down with Tim Poole right. All right. Alex was the guest on the eighth episode of that show and up till that point he'd had some heavy hitters on. There was an episode with the former drummer of offspring who left the band over vaccination issues and then joined Tim Poole's band. I'm sorry. What. Yeah. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. The drummer from offspring. Yeah. Offspring. The offspring. I recall the kids aren't the kids are all right. Yeah. Yeah. Kids aren't all right. The offspring. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Keep them separated. They broke up because

he come out and play. He didn't like the band's vaccine stance. No. I think from what I understand. I don't know. I asked him to get vaccinated. He was like I'm leaving the band. I didn't dig too deeply into this. But from what I understand his version of it is he had a medical reason why he couldn't get vaccinated. And there were too many issues with touring and accommodating unvaccinated person. Sure. Sure. The band. And so they were like I don't know. It seems to me like if that were really the story they would have been able to work that out. Right. Right. It seems to me like maybe he's an asshole. Okay. He's hanging out with Tim Pool and joined Tim Pool. I mean that kind of says yeah. Yeah. I mean it's definitely

more circumstantial evidence. I mean let's put it this way. Okay. So if your argument is that the reason that I didn't go on tour with the band is because I can't get vaccinated. So it was either me not go on tour with the band or them get a giant plastic encasing that they can mic up and then I'll be underneath at the entire time like a bubble boy playing the drums or have like a you know a decent conversation with your band mates that you've been together with for so long and just be like I'll sit out this tour. Sure. And I'll see you on the next one. Seems right. And they're not going to replace you with the fill in drummer or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And I do love I do love the playing the drum part

from the kids aren't all right on rock band. I always love that. So maybe that maybe this guy and I are more connected than I think. Maybe I just I just think that not going on one tour is not enough to just make you go. Well I guess I'm a Nazi now. I don't know what he is. I don't know. I don't know. Before I don't know it is political views. I didn't listen to that episode. He's just on Tim Pool show. That's all you know. Fair enough. So episode four brought us someone named sovereign brah B R A H brah brah come on brah come on brah sovereign. I have no idea who he is. He's sovereign. I tried to figure it out. I have no idea who this dude is. You can't really Google sovereign brah. It's a good branding

sovereign brah. Episode seven had Vivek Rama Swami who's that anti woke guy who's running for the GOP political nomination probably has a way to raise his profile and sell books later. That makes sense. Interestingly the guest on episode three was Damien Eccles who is one of the West Memphis three. That's ironic because whether those guys were guilty or innocent there is no denying that a contributing factor to their conviction was the atmosphere of the satanic panic and the idea that they'd killed those children and some sort of an unholy ritual. It's ironic that he's a guest on Tim's show because Tim's part of a larger cultural movement that's trying its best to whip us all into another satanic panic and

no clear evidence of that is that he's having Alex Jones on his show for the eighth episode. What I'm saying is that in the world that Alex and Tim want to create there'll be way more West Memphis threes. Yeah. I got to thinking and Alex's description of this interview sounded great. It's one of his best ever. Oh God. He was late for work. Oh no. Dan. Yeah. Oh no. I decided I couldn't pass it. Oh God. Okay. All right. Fine. Now I will tell you that it was my sincere intention to cover this episode and then get back to something else. Sure. But I couldn't. I got sucked in. Oh no. It's it's his best interview. I drowned in the pool. It's his best interview there's ever been. It's so good. Get a get

a pool filled with water and then you dive in. Yeah. He's Kendrick. Yeah. Pull up drink because we're about to get into Tim pool. That's a good call. So here's where he starts. This was just like I heard this and I was like well we're in for it. But actually we'll just we'll just get started. Waste no time. Budweiser man. I want to start with this because we were talking before we press record on this show about Joe Rogan's on his show cracking a Bud Light with his buddies and he was saying like I don't understand it's silly. It's goofy. So I was mentioning like I just texted him. I was like look Dylan Mulvaney is selling alcohol is marketing alcohol to children. And so it's it's trans issues and it's alcohol being marketed

to children. So I'm not surprised people are pissed off about this. But how you guys doing. You just nailed it. Do you think that Joe's audience isn't also people who are under 18. He's marketing alcohol and weed to them. I'm DMT. I'm Jim Baker. I'm so confused. I just don't want to have this. I don't want to talk about Bud Light. Yeah. I just don't I'm going to I'm going to breeze through this a little bit. Okay. Some context to people who are listening. Okay. You're in the same boat as you. Good. Good. So for the last what feels like a year the right wing media has been preoccupied with the tick tock creator named Dylan Mulvaney. Dylan is an actor and one of the reasons that she's come under attack

is that she had a project where she made a daily post on like on tick tock that showed her transition. And it sort of was an attempt to demystify that whole thing and sure of a fun journey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Through that she's accrued millions of followers. I don't use tick tock. So without people like Tim and Matt Walsh complaining about her nonstop I would have no idea who Dylan is. Earlier this month Bud Light paid her for a promotional Instagram video which made the right wing media lose their minds. They did the whole thing where they made videos pouring out their Bud Lights kid rock tried to shoot cans of Bud Light and discussed and some weird scammy dude came out with a commercial for an anti

woke beer. This was all in response to them not liking Bud Light working with a trans person as a spokesperson in a single video. It was clearly way overblown and once the high of being mad about it wore off. I think folks like Tim maybe feel a little embarrassed that they were that upset about a corporation making an ad. I would hope so. And that's why it makes sense that he would move the target. Now it's that Dylan is marketing beer to minors. That's the big issue. It's not just that she's trans. It's not bigotry. It's about law and public safety. It is probably true that a fair amount of Dylan's audience may be under 18 but that doesn't mean that she can't do a single ad for a beer brand.

Or if it does then you know it'd be really weird that the same criticism wasn't thrown at Justin Timber like when he made a Bud Light Platinum ad or Chris Pratt when he did a Mickalow Bolter a Super Bowl commercial or Sarah Jessica Parker when she did a Stella Artois commercial in character as Carrie Bradshaw or Brad Pitt when he did that Heineken commercial in 2005 when he was steady in heartthrob territory or Bob Dole when he did that Pepsi commercial with Britney Spears and it made me think that he was ejaculating or Joe Rogan and Alex when they get wasted on apple juice on his show. Yeah that one makes more sense. All these people have audiences that include a significant portion of people who are under the drinking

age and this isn't a problem for Tim nor for Alex because the idea that Dylan is selling beer to kids is not an actual complaint. It's a rationalization. They realize that they just look like idiots getting so upset about a popular trans creator doing a beer ad so they need to justify it in some way that makes it look less silly than it is now after the fact. And that's that's kind of why I was delighted but to hear Tim trying to do this shit at the beginning of the show. It's pathetic. Really. That's that's going to be where you go. That's he brainstormed that. That that took a while to get to. Yeah. That took a while to get to. He probably had a whole team on it. Yeah. Luke Radowski the brain trust.

How do we not sound like fucking idiots. Yeah guys we really whiffed on this one. We really whiffed on this one. People are really making fun of us. We're mad about a beer commercial. Are we gonna do that again. Apparently Jesus Christ. Apparently so. So Alex you know we get into this. How are you doing Alex what's going on and he gets a little Dickensian. Best of times. Sure. Worst of times. OK. How are you doing Alex. It's good to be here. Yeah. What's been going on. What's how's life. What are you working on. You know my life overall is better than it's ever been in worse than it's ever been. It's kind of best of times worst of times. And really I just feel fulfilled and like I've kind of completed my main mission

because back when I was first on air twenty eight twenty nine years ago there was only old military guys and former FBI agents like Ted Gunnerson that were talking about the New World Order. Maybe one percent knew about it. And now I watch the world government forum in Dubai with Klaus Schwab and Elon Musk saying world government's bad. We don't want to want centralized civilization. That'll destroy innovation and crush society. And then I see Robert Kennedy Jr. talking about there's been a globalist New World Order coup through the bureaucracy through the corporations over our life and Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and just and somebody's missing Matt Gates and just basically everybody. Ball

scenario. I feel like somebody's missing the new leader in Sweden. Someone's missing leader in Italy. You turn on the new leader. The woman sounds like Alex Jones 25 years ago and so there's real satisfaction in that. Alex is right in some unfortunate ways. Yeah he's also way off. Yeah. Early on in his career it was very rare to see someone repeating John Birch Society nonsense outside of a very small group who were pretty uniformly understood to be idiots by the mainstream. LaRouche. People were aware of them and had rightly written them off. Nowadays there are a ton more people who sound like JBS idiots and a large part of that is that I think that a lot of the mainstream population is mostly

forgot about who the JBS are and where their ideas emanate from. But people have forgotten it's generational. Yeah. They don't understand that that brand of right wing politics is designed to enter a fascist state that the political ideology was created by captains of industry to serve their corporate interests. And so you hear a lot more people who sound like Alex because of course you do. Yeah. People have forgotten that this shit's stupid. I mean yeah it's like saying oh man back in back in 1937 you didn't get a lot of people saying that billionaires were the best people on the planet. You know somehow in 1925 there were so many people excited about billionaires. It's a weird how that changes. And sure people

like Bolsonaro and Orban sound like Alex in as much as they're pretty explicit about their bigotries and their desire to crush opposition. Bolsonaro is a newer leader but like Orban has been prime minister since 2010 and he previously served at the same position from 1998 to 2002. He was Hungary's prime minister 20 years ago in that time when Alex claims no one was like him. Also last year Orban gave a speech where he explicitly opposed race mixing. So if Alex wants to associate with that tells you a whole bunch about where he's coming from. And 20 years ago Putin was in charge in Russia so Alex should have been thrilled about that. Except that 20 years ago Alex knew the Putin blew up those apartment

buildings and he thought that Putin was a real bad dude. Well I'm sure that Alex would have liked Belarus's dictator ruler Lukashenko for sure. He certainly likes him now so why not back when he was in his prime. So weird. So weird. The Italian leader Alex is saying sounds like him is Georgia Maloney who was formerly a member of the Youth Front which was the young person's version of the Italian social movement. The neo-fascist party established to carry on the legacy of Mussolini. Hey good. She's now part of the Brothers of Italy party which includes a whole lot of those holdover fascists but she's trying to appeal to more moderate voters by not saying that the party has a bunch of fascist cynics. I appreciate

the the willingness to both out and out say all of your fascist policies while at the same time being like hey hold on hold on. Well that's how you appeal to people. We're not fascist. Yeah. And that's all you have to do. You then all you have to do is be like whoa whoa whoa I don't like you using the word fascist about us. Fair enough. Recently Maloney has been on a crusade against LGBTQ parents going so far as quote stripping same sex couples of recognition as parents also threatening their access to benefits and childcare services. This stuff follows the same attack pattern that we see in the United States with folks like Alex where a vulnerable group is targeted and their rights come under question but the

people who want to strip them of those rights pretend that they're doing it to defend the family or the children. Patriotism may be the last refuge of the scoundrel but pretending you're doing things for the children is the refuge these shitheads use most readily. You can even see that with Tim's post hoc rationale for his Dylan Mulvaney shit. This is where you go and it's just like oh won't somebody think of the children. Right. Won't somebody think of the children. It's just a load of shit. All those unborn babies that we want to starve when they're alive. Oh I want someone think of the children starving for us. Oh doesn't serve the quite the same narrative. It doesn't really. So this is Alex Tim Poole

Luke Radowski is there from We Are Change Alex's old buddy. Yeah. And some other guy. Sure. I don't remember who the other guy is. I don't care. I'm telling you trap doors. We just need trap doors all the time. Everywhere needs trap doors. I think I think that Tim would keep all these people in the room which is the problem. The door wouldn't help. I need to control trap doors and create them with my mind is what you're describing. Yeah. I mean if you wanted to have any effect that would be what that would be a smart move. So Tim is he has a Alex Jones hashtag Alex Jones was right. Oh my god. I can't remember. It wasn't this time. We flew in Austin but we are flying somewhere and you see all the

signs of words like get your real ID. Get your real ID. And I was like I remember watching Alex Jones like a really long time ago and he was like people listen to these are coming and I'm like not only that he was arrested at the DMV. That was it. And you're like I'm not signing up for your real ID to tellitarian hellscape. That was in 1997. Yeah. You were arrested that you're like this is all about centralization of power and force and they were doing this. Don't remind me of that. I look so good back there. So that other voice that was talking is Luke Radowski. Right. So you can keep track of Alex didn't get arrested at the DMV. He made a huge scene because he didn't want to give a thumb print and he was

asked to leave. He's admitted on his show that he returned later to the DMV to give a print so he could get his license which he very wisely didn't film for his documentary since it would kind of make his conviction that he was pretending to have when the crowd was around look like it was fake and it was an act because it was fake in an act. It was the real ID thing isn't really as much of a genius prediction for Alex as Tim is pretending. The real ID act passed Congress in 2005 and it was an updating of the ID protocols after 9 11. The idea was to make IDs much harder to falsify and share databases between states to make investigations run much smoother. It was up to the states to make their systems

compliant which they all have. And the only territory is that isn't fully on board is American Samoa. The reason you see those signs at the airport that says like hey you should get a real ID is because the deadline for airports to only accept real ID compliant IDs is 2025. OK. So it's coming up and they're giving you a warning. Do I already have one probably. OK. Yeah. OK. State ID is probably here's an issue. Here's an issue. If it's a huge problem and I don't even know about it. It's not that big of a problem. Probably not. Yeah. And even if it's not it'll like if you just whenever your ID expires like yeah I'll go get a new ID and it'll automatically be it's not it's not difficult. Yeah. I would

say that most people already have real IDs and they don't even really realize it. I mean it doesn't really. I get so frustrated when these people get so angry about the real life version of a fucking Apple terms and conditions agreement that you click every fucking day. Yeah. Well but here's the thing like there's been a lot of debate surrounding this real ID stuff. There's complaints coming from both sides of the aisle. Sure. The right wing complaints are usually these dystopian conspiracies about how the man's trying to track and trace everyone but there are a lot of complaints that are typically more grounded. Beast of the mark. Though like how the requirements that real ID puts into place for issuing an ID. It

has an increased burden on asylum seekers and refugees who might not be able to provide all the necessary documents to prove their identity there under the new system. So there are issues that need to be ironed out with the way that the system is set up. So there are complaints that can be made but the ones that you hear from people like Alex are just stupid. Right. Right. Also Tim is describing a passport. A real ID is not a North American ID. It's issued by a US state. His passport allows him to travel internationally not just to Canada or Mexico. It appears that Tim may have a passport card that he's describing which is different. It's an alternative to the book version that you can opt for. The

passport card itself only allows for land and sea port border crossings with Canada, Mexico, Bermuda and countries in the Caribbean. It's a cheaper alternative for folks who make frequent land and sea border crossings. But this doesn't seem right for Tim since he's talking about air travel. His passport card doesn't apply to international air travel. I don't know what he's talking about but whatever it is it's kind of off base. Yeah. Yeah. We got to deal with the passport somehow. We got to deal with it. I love the passport. It's my favorite thing. The most terrifying thing to hold in my entire life. Just having the passport and then traveling with the concept of losing the passport in the back of my mind

at all times and being stranded. There was a period of time where I had lost my ID and so my passport was what I used at bars and stuff. I never actually had the same fear as you. I thought it was totally fine. Weirded out some doormen though. No, no, no. If you're in a different country though and the idea of losing your passport means you're trapped and you have to go to the consulate or something like that. Yeah, go to the social security office in your foreign country. Oh man. It's a nightmare to imagine. It's a nightmare. I would prefer some sort of tattoo on my hand that I could just scan a barcode on. Well, Tim's going to have a problem with that. I can see that. Yeah. I already have a tattoo

on my hand though. So it doesn't really bother me that much. So a fair amount of conversation ends up happening surrounding Bitcoin. Sure. What about it? Might be a Trojan horse. Yeah. Tim is a little bit wary of Bitcoin and then Alex tells a story about Max Kaiser. Sure. If I was a globalist cabal and I wanted to create a one world currency or a new form of currency that everyone in the world would use, the first group I'd have to convince to use it are the right wing conspiracy people are the anti-war leftist people, the anti-establishment people. Get them to think this is their path towards freedom. I'm not saying that Max Kaiser is some secret agent of the New World Order, but he used to be a top stockbroker, knows

the Soros is all them. And he's a friend of mine I like him. But in 2010, was it 2009, we were in Watford, England. Watford, England. I think you were there too. Yeah, I was there too. Yeah. During the Builderbury meeting. And he comes into the hotel one morning. We're not at the Builderbury hotel. It's shut down our hotel. And he goes, listen, who's your IT guy? And I go, well, I brought a guy that's a driver and I brought Rob Doos, a camera guy, and I brought Leanne Magadu. I barely know how to, you know, I know how to do stuff on that, but I don't know what a wallet is. He goes, I want, I've got a digital currency

wallet. It's Bitcoin. It's going to be the future. I'm going to give you. No, he says, this is just true stories happen. I know. He goes, I want to give you 10,000 of these. He goes, if I want you to give away half of them, keep the rest for yourself, believe in this most important thing you're ever going to do in your life. And he was already going to be interviewing me by that day. He got so mad, he refused to do an interview with me when I didn't take the time and couldn't figure it out. He literally never got mad at me the many times I've been with him. He literally was like F this year, an idiot, and basically stormed off. Now, a couple of days later, he was being interviewed by some

guy that interviews in a taxi cab. He said, come over, I'll do the interview. Now we did it, but he literally turned red and blew up because he should have kicked my ass. He should have said, you're taking this, you son of a bitch. I wish you would have punched me in the nose and said, you know, I can, they live, put the damn glasses on, like take that coin. Because at its peak, I think it was worth like 600 million or something. I mean, 60,000 per coin. So let's just peak at its peak, but let's just do some quick interview. And this was real cause he was handing out everywhere. And I think he's central in the whole deal. Like who gave him, and that word is he's got billions.

So I guess, uh, Max Kaiser is part of a grand conspiracy and at the center of Bitcoin, but also, I mean, Alex, even if you had $600 million, you're still owe 900 million. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's crazy to think about this fantasy of these Bitcoin that he could have had and sold at its peak. And it's like, well, you're still deep underwater. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man. The, the fantasy of $600 million being one third of your way out of debt. That's, that's big. That's, I mean, honestly, that is, that is almost as impressive as having a billion dollars is losing it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, in a sense. Well, no, let me, let me clarify. Sure. I think losing it in one fell swoop. Sure. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. You could lose a billion dollars over the course of a number of bad decisions. Sure. Sure. But in one cabon, one go, it's very, very impressive. It's tough to beat. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I think the story about Max Kaiser is possibly true. It seems fairly 10,000 seems high, but then again, back in 2009, that was like right when Bitcoin launched and they were worth almost nothing. No, it was 0.003 cents or something. Yeah. No, if you had 10,000 of them, it was like over pennies. Sure. Sure. Sure. But I mean, yeah, that's, that's billions of dollars. No, that's, that's millions of dollars, billions of dollars right now. Yeah. Yeah. No, once it was at its peak for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Back

then I could see like you could probably have 10,000 of them and it's maybe like 20 bucks or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Weird. I don't think Alex would have sat on them. Yeah. For 2009 to like when it was at its peak, like a couple of years back. No, it was at its peak six or eight months ago. No. Yeah. So it reached its peak a while back and then, so here's what happened. All right. I'm looking it up. It reached its peak a while back and then Peter Thiel and his group looked into FTX quote unquote and then revealed that FTX was a complete bullshit scam. Right. It was all a lie. And then Bitcoin tanked along with all the other crypto coins. I'm looking at a peak of what's this November 2021. Yeah.

Something like that. That's a couple of months ago. FTX. When did the FTX? I think that was more recent. That was definitely more recent than 2021. Well, I mean, that's, that's when it collapsed from its all time high, but you know, and it was sticking around up in the fifties or whatever around there. And then it collapsed down to less than 20 for a while. Yeah. And now it's back up over 30 in late, late 2022 was down in the teens. Yeah. And then, yeah, now we have it around 30 in April and then the Silicon Valley bank thing collapsed. And that's when Bitcoin started going up again because people were like, ah, banks are the ones that are the scams. It's not Bitcoin. It's the banks. I don't think that it hit

its peak around a couple of months ago or FTX time. I mean, I'm saying that around FTX time it was way up over like 40 or something like that. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Okay. I'm looking at my timeline here. Okay. No, because this is in November 2022 when there's articles about the FTX collapse. Yeah. But that was when it was in the teens. That was when it was at its lowest. It was not into the teens until FTX collapsed. Hmm. This is not a good use of our time. Nope. Anyway, maybe it's Trojan horse. So they get on to talking about the social credit score. Oh, it's about time. Yeah. And Tim has some interesting ideas about how this will play out. And by interesting ideas, I am not being serious.

I don't think the social credit score is going to be the way people described it where it's like you go to 711 with your credit card and you're like, let me get two steak and cheese to Keto's and a pack of Marlboro Reds and they go, okay, swipe your card and you swipe and it goes, I'm sorry, your social credit score, your your carbon footprint. You know, it's going to happen is that if you're so scratch credit score is bad, you're going to go to the grocery store and you get milk, bread and eggs and it's going to be $150. That's it. And and you're they're not going to tell you. It's just going to be like milk. And by the way, have you seen in China? They already they already run TV ads explaining

where the guy goes up to get an airline ticket with his wife and child. And he goes, no, no, no, you know, you are bad. And then it goes down the line. I'm going to go to a sports game trying to get on a bus trying to get a hotel speed internet school for children as well. That's a big one. The reason I don't think it'll be like that is that it's too overt and can lead to unrest. Wow. So if brilliant, you have a bad credit score, let's say Luke's got a good social credit score and you've got a bad social credit score. You both grab the same bottle of Coke from the fridge for Luke with a good credit score. It's $3 for you at six. And what that does is it creates economic pressure where people who are bad

struggle and have a harder time gaining influence. This makes it subtle. You're totally right. Just like YouTube demonetizes you. It just makes you submit getting demonetized on YouTube isn't a social credit score. That's a reflection that your content is not in line with what YouTube advertisers want to attach their ads to. Yeah, that's just the free market in action or at least that's how Alex and Tim should see it. YouTube is too big of a company to handle ads being bought individually according to channels. So they sell advertising time as a big chunk. The advertisers trust that YouTube isn't going to show their ad on a video that's denying the Holocaust, for instance, and thereby taking payments that the company

made to YouTube and funneling it to a Holocaust denier in the form of ad revenue. Yeah, that's not a social credit score, although perhaps it's a consequence. And that's basically what these shitheads mean when they say social credit score. I'm going to leave China kind of alone because there's a murky territory with the idea of their social credit system. Is there is some stuff that goes on there? The reason I don't want to get too deep into it is because in China, there's a government version and then their corporate private versions of social credit scores. And they're often just rolled into one which is said to be run by the government. People like Alex conflate a ton of this stuff. Sure. The government

version is meant to consolidate credit profiles for individuals to make dealing with credit scores and lending more efficient. Whereas many of the private versions involve giving people social scores based on choices behavior. Yeah, gotcha. That second version isn't really any different than how like Lyft and Uber have passenger scores. And if you do something really egregious in someone's car, you're probably going to have your score go way down to be blacklisted from the app or drivers will just not accept your request. Your choices give you a score and then they can choose to do business with you or not. Right. So I mean like on some level that is already there in terms of like companies making it

a choice to implement that. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And in the form that it exists in terms of Uber and Lyft, I mean, maybe there's an abuse here or there of it. But for the most part, it's about protecting the person who's allowing you into their car to be driven around. It's protecting the worker. And I think there's something fine about that. Now the government version in China also has like, you know, if you owe the government money or things like that, they can, you know, make it so it's more difficult for you to get a loan and stuff. Right. Until you pay them back their money. And there are instances where people have oppressive fines by the government based on social things that they do like criticisms

of the government. I'm not saying that it's like a purely non socially related thing in some some senses. But the way that this is discussed by people like Alex and Tim is just nonsensical and it goes nowhere. Yeah, that sounds about right. As for Tim's fantasy about Coke costing double if you're a bad boy, that's pretty stupid. It would never work with two individuals paying different amounts for the same thing at the same place. And it's not like he's saying that it would like you couldn't do one version because it's too overt. But this would be subtle somehow. I mean, imagine you had a friend who was in Tim Pools mind a complete asshole. Right. And you were going, Hey, let's go down to the shop. I got to get

some stuff. And you and your friend go and you get it for $3 and your friend is asked to pay six. Right. Your friend would naturally be like, Why am I being asked to pay six? Right. Well, it's because of the social credit score. And all of a sudden this subtlety that Tim Pools is so excited about becomes extremely over. You know, one of the primary features at stores is labeled prices. You got it. How would it, would it say $3 for good people? Six of your ass. Not very overt. Or now we live in a world where you don't know what's anything's going to cost when you go somewhere. Seems stupid. All right. So like that doesn't make sense if it's the same product at the same place to different people. Right. Except

for medications, I guess, depending on people's insurance coverage, which could arguably seen as a social credit score, but that argument's a little thin. I don't want to get lost in the weeds. In reality, this dynamic already kind of exists, but it exists in food deserts, primarily affecting poorer communities. There are no grocery stores nearby in the places that do sell food have less on processed food and typically higher prices. A 2021 report by the social policy lab cited figures that milk prices tended to be 5% higher in food deserts and things like cereal 25% higher. God, it costs so much to be broke. I wonder if Tim or Alex is spending any time screaming about the unequal access to food in food deserts.

Yeah. I imagine not. Probably. But there are these fun fantasies about Coke costing double if the government doesn't like you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's more fun to talk about though. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is so easy to discuss and enjoy the discussion of the oncoming oppression that you will never experience. You're poorly written black mirror episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's way more fun than being like, maybe we should do something for the people that are being oppressed. Yeah. And recognizing that like, Oh, you know, there are more grocery stores being made, but they're in places where there already are grocery stores. Maybe we should affect some change in the distribution of the, yeah, they're

not going to go there. Nah. But Alex has something dumb to say. Sure. How frustrating is it when you're serving the internet and a, and a pre-roll ad plays on some weird platform like a local news station, you can't find the ad again. Okay. So about a month ago, I'm up at night and I just click on something and it runs local Texas ads for Randall's grocery stores. And I meant to go on their site and get this and find it, but I never did it. But I saw it and it's a real 30 second ad. And they said, make good choices on what you eat and what you do and to help the environment and other social causes, use the Randall's app and get big discounts for, for purchasing things that are good. I mean, there was a

literally a social credit score ad. What you just said, if you buy the right things and you're a good person, we're going to give you discounts. Yep. Do these guys really not understand that what they're describing has nothing to do with a government social credit score? That's what they're supposed to be fear mongering about, but local grocery chains deciding to run a loyalty program that gives discounts. I mean, that if the, if Randall's was like, Hey, here's our coupon for 15% off, type in social credit score 15, maybe even then. That's absurd. Yeah. Like Alex is like the type of guy who's going to fuck around and say those subway stamp cards. Oh, every 11th sub is free.

Use social credit score motherfuckers. I can only get the stamps if I eat fresh. I'll never eat fresh. Oh God. Like they should be fine with this. It's a company choosing to do it. Do Alex and Tim want the government to outlaw businesses being able to offer discounts to people who buy healthy food? This is confusing. I mean, I don't know. So Randall's has a program called Randall's for you, which is just a customer loyalty program. They give you a free item each month. They give you a birthday treat and it tracks your purchases so you can get deals on the things that you buy the most. Right. You get a point for each dollar you spend and then you get a reward for each 100 points. These rewards pile up and three

of them can be exchanged for $4 off your next total. Five rewards gets you $7 off and so on. Right. No involvement of like social credit score. They are just basic ass loyalty program. Simple cases. Cut out the cardboard coupon. You'll get yourself a goddamn free pizza. Yeah. Randall's also has a health app. It's called Sincerely Health and it's a food and exercise type tracker. You know, you can get your steps in and what have you. You can use that app and earn points which do translate to rewards, but you don't get them from buying healthy foods or being involved in the causes or whatever. Sure. Sure. Sure. You get points by setting a goal and achieving it like hitting your steps for the day and that kind of thing.

Right. You get points and then those can be redeemed for coupons. This also is not a social credit score and obviously I can't prove it, but I would suspect that all of the coupons you can earn on there are things that you could find on your own if you put a little bit of work into it. I've seen an episode of extreme couponing. I'm sure these people could get to the bottom of it. You better believe it. This is just a fun way to like try and gamify health and encourage a good habits. I don't understand what the fuck they're upset about. I mean, that's that's probably a good program for them. I mean, a lot of people, most people want to behave in a more healthy manner and there are few

options of like motivation that aren't like, oh, this also sucks. Yeah. So at least maybe getting 5% off on a fucking apple is good. Now hear me out on this. What do you got? I was thinking of a conspiracy. Okay. Think of a way that I can make this a conspiracy. I want to hear it. All right. Healthy food is more expensive than junk food. Sure. So these people, I have an incentive to get you to want to buy healthy food because then the grocery store makes more. Right. So they have an app that encourages healthiness because they know they're going to make a couple of extra bucks if they can sucker you into being healthy. Right. That was the best I could do in terms of a conspiracy. It's not good,

but it's better than this bullshit. I guess my question is, do they sell bed light? That's the only real question I have for anybody now. I didn't look it up. Look, it's in or out time. One or the other, either your pro or a con. It's big boy pants. Yeah, it's big boy pants time. I think I saw that they do sell that anti-woke beer. Stupid. Oh my God. So Alex got debanked or something. Sure. And he talks about that a little bit here. And I also don't think he got debanked. The indexes that these groups have that then create the number. And I learned about it was given secret documents three years ago by literally a banker shaking and I showed it to a law firm in DC and they actually contacted them

and said, take this off. And they said, screw you. Go ahead and show us. And this company and then they really a company based in Boston. It's the CIA. And so what are they doing? What is it? Like, what is it? Well, I don't even want to say the name because they asked me, my lawyers asked me not to, but we confirm the documents, but I suddenly got debanked everywhere. And I had like perfect credit. Never had loans, had like point two percent chargebacks. You know, we ran stuff really good at info or store for, you know, 20 years before that at the time. And so finally, we were going out trying to go to their banks and this big bank, you know, actually came and met with me as the guys of Lister and

he said, listen, they put watermarks on this. Everyone we get sent is coded to us. He goes, I can't give this to you. You can only write down these names. But it showed a graph and all these scores and it was printed out. Okay. It was like printed out of like a big printer, like long. He laid it on the table. He wouldn't let me take photos of it. But he said, here's the group out of Boston. They put the report in that goes into all these other databases. Here you were previously with a score of 98 point, whatever, which is by the way, he says almost no one has that. That's why it's such a low credit card rate, like a one and a half percent processing. Good rating. Yeah, absolutely. Almost like platinum. Yeah. But it said one

rating by this group out of Massachusetts. And it went, it's like a gauge, you know, 98 to 14% in the red for one designation, hate. And that one designation in the code and then it shows all these other codes that didn't because it was a print out of a computer interface. So I wasn't able to click on all the data dashboard. But I mean, this is what's going on. Man, that's so weird. Alex's credit score shot up like three years ago. Was that maybe around the time that the Sandy Hook cases were going to court became super apparent that he was going to lose those cases. He's getting sanctioned all over the place. I wonder if that any connection.

Probably not. It was probably some weird Boston CIA connection that a mysterious banker listener informed Alex about. See what you're missing is the context. All right. He can't say the name because they're notoriously litigious and it is the CIA, but it's the Carfax Intelligence Agency. And he has sold the lemon. He's really been giving out shit cars left and right. It's just terrible. So there were many instances in that clip. And if you want to go back and listen for this, Alex refuses to give specifics or he goes out of his way to explain why he can't prove any of his claims. This is a red flag. Yeah. Couldn't name the company. No, lawyers. Maybe he shouldn't. As we know, he listens to the lawyer's advice all the

time. Yeah. Unfortunately, in his insistence on giving explanations for his lack of evidence, Alex ends up contradicting himself in his own story. He claims that this banker showed him a document which he was not allowed to take or even make photographs of. But earlier in the story, he claimed that he took these secret documents to his lawyer who contacted the company and they said they weren't going to change the designations like come sue us. Yeah. The DC law firm. Yeah. So I mean, he said that he took the documents. Yeah. So did he? Did he not? None of this happened. No. In 2019, there was a big to do about Chase Bank closing the accounts of proud boys like Enrique Tario. It was all the rage to claim

that you were facing debanking oppression as it signaled that the establishment was really out to get you. Yeah. However, after Michelle Malkin tweeted out an article about Tario's account, Chase Bank actually responded and said, quote, Hi, Michelle, this article is inaccurate. We did not close his personal account. We do not close accounts based on political affiliation. If I had to guess what was going on, this was an account that was a the proud boys account, which happened to have Tario's name on it, which the bank decided violated their standards. Banks should not be moral arbiters, but at the same time, they should be able to refuse to associate with groups that are clearly raising money to fund

hate and violence. Yeah. I think if I think if everybody was like, why is why is Al Qaeda still banking with Chase? Look, we don't make moral judgments. Hey, what are you political leanings? Are we going to do that now? Come on, man. We're back. Yeah, exactly in the area of the right wing that Alex exists in something like having a bank blacklist you as a badge of honor. So ever since this mess with the proud boys, he's been claiming that he was involved too, but he's never provided any evidence of this. And if the stuff that you're seeing in the bankruptcy case tells you anything, yeah, he has no problem opening a bunch of bank accounts. I don't take anything Alex is saying here seriously, but banks should

be careful when they engage in closing of accounts to make sure that they're not doing it for inappropriate reasons. And I think that there's oversight as far as that goes. So it's fun story, though, this banker shaking with the document. Yeah, that is nice. I do like a scared banker. I mean, I'm confused as to why the the bankers deep-throating while still holding these papers that he's shaking, you know, careful, careful how you phrase that. Don't don't don't take a picture of this. Right. Like, well, then just take a picture now like quick. Ha ha snapped it. Yeah, your whole plan is gone. Or hey, Dick, I'm taking them. Yeah. I'm bigger than you and you're just a banker. Yeah. I have drunk

strength. These are the most important documents to my finance. They're very important. Yeah, I'm going to take this because it unveils a massive conspiracy of CIA rigging of bank accounts. It's his responsibility as Alex Jones to wrestle those documents away and then be willing to accept the consequences for it. And banker, I'll try to protect you as best I can. But if you're collateral damage for this, like, I'm sorry, like I care anyways, you're a fucking banker. Like why would Alex Jones sovereign citizen adjacent dude be like, I got to protect this banker. Well, it's a it means what he should do. Yeah. So this next clip, Tim has an analogy. And here's one of the things that I noticed on listening

to this show. I've listened to a lot of Tim Pool. Yeah, let's say I've dipped in the pool a little bit. Sure. But like, he's not good with thinking. Right. Some of the things he says don't make a whole lot of sense. Right. And I kind of somewhat get the points he's trying to make. But then I also think he gets lost in some of the weeds of of metaphor and analogy. All right. So here's what I'm seeing. All right. I'm seeing that you dipped your toe into the shallow end of the pool. Right. But because you already on that, that's what you didn't find out until just now. Yeah, the whole pool is yellow. There's not a lot of water here. Gotcha. All right. And people need to know you're the target. It's not Alex

Jones. It's not Tim Pool. No, all of us are the target of this ever mind takeover. We're just standing in the way. We're just the first ones to get hit. This is the way I explain it, Alex. Do you have any chickens by chance? No, but I've heard your chicken analogy and I've seen your chickens. So well, which chicken analogy they want the guns? Because there was a couple I use and one is imagine you're trying to go pick up the eggs from your chickens and one day you walk in and the roosters are armed and they don't let you take those eggs. You're going to be rightly pissed off and say, we need to figure out how to get these guns away from these roosters. Now, obviously, roosters don't have guns. But what they do

is what they do is the spurs roosters as they get older, they grow large keratin spikes on their legs that they can stab you with. And so what do people do? They will incapacitate the rooster and then take pliers and snap the spurs off their legs, which is very painful and brutal. I won't do it to my roosters. And that way they can't spur you when you're going into collect eggs. Well, you get spurred, you might do it. I've been around chickens, families, farms. I've not been hit by one. But yeah, sometimes a rooster that's been nice to you for years will be sitting on a fence post and just hit you in the face with a spur. So and then it's and then he's going in the pot. I take a different view.

I mean, honestly, I've seen a lot of people kill roosters because they get too aggressive. But like my thing is, you know, the roosters can do their business. We have an easy way to collect the eggs. I'm not worried about it. So if we got a good rooster who's protecting the hens, like I want to do their business. But back to the analogy, we as the American people are one of the only countries on the planet that have a constitutionally protected right to defend ourselves from anything enemies, foreign and domestic criminals to tyranny. I don't really get this analogy. I'm confused. He started off with the baseline. We're the chickens. Right. So we know that we have that bit of the cipher. I don't feel like that's

where we ended up. No, we are not the chickens in this analogy at the end. We took too many trips through literal chicken stuff. Yeah. And where's the literal? Where's the figurative? It's very messy. Okay. So imagine we're chickens. Yes. And you're going and somehow there is another person we do not know in the metaphor. The person who's coming to get the eggs, right? I think is the government. Okay, maybe a thief could be anything, but it's something. It's bad. It's a rubber. The enemy, foreign and domestic. Your eggs are your things, right? Right. Yes. And so this other force is coming in to take the things. Chickens don't have guns, but they have spurs. Right. So the spurs, the Second Amendment. Sure. Right. Your ability

to defend yourself against these people who are coming to take your eggs. Sure. What is happening? I mean, I guess he's happy that we have guns. And that's why he allows his chickens to have spurs. I don't understand why we got literal there because his analogy seemed to be like, Oh, see, this is the thing that people don't have. But then he was like, Ah, but actually all roosters are armed. Like it's, it's very weird. I mean, maybe in this metaphor, what he's actually saying is that we need to get back to the basics and learn how to fight with our nails at teeth. Get into it because why would you want a rooster with a gun? They don't know how to use it. What if the safety still on the rooster doesn't

have the capability to turn the safety off? No, that's what he's teaching us is we need to be more like the rooster. That sounds right. I mean, look, I think, I think there's something to this and jokes on him because I've been growing a spur for the last five years. I will meet him on the field of battle. So like also I was thinking about this and like the eggs that are taken aren't fertilized usually. And so they are going to become chicks at all. Right. Useless to the chicken itself. Right. And even if you do take it away, the hands going to produce another egg tomorrow. And it's not like the chicken's going to eat the egg. So if we're the chicken and we're conscious of our situation, we shouldn't care

if someone's coming to take the egg. Right. There's no reason to fight them. It's meaningless to me. Absolutely. Yeah. Also enough for nothing. Tim is literally the person coming to take the eggs in the case of the real chicken. I know. He's taking the moral high ground by like saying he's not despairing them, but then he claims that he's not worried about it because he's found a safe way to collect the eggs. So allegorically, he would be like the government or a criminal who's found a way to steal our stuff without even needing to worry about the gun or spurs. Yeah. Like he's doing it through hacking or something. I, I don't understand why you would create an analogy to a real life circumstance wherein

you are the embodiment of the thing that you are describing as analogous to evil. Yeah, it is. It is clunky. It's almost like a poorly constructed chicken coop. Yeah. Falls over and breaks the eggs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's bad. That's bad. It's not the only poorly made metaphor that I've heard. You can write. You can read and you can write and you can steal better analogies from people, from books that other other people haven't read and you'll look smart. He's proud of this one though. And he's apparently pretty proud of the fact that he has chickens. He's proud of them to the point where apparently he has enough chicken analogies that we have to quibble over which one we are going to

get into. Yikes. So I told you there was that third guy or fourth guy there. There's Lukard Aske, Tim Poole, Alex and this other guy. Dr. Number four. Yeah. Dr. Number four makes an interesting point. I think this is stupid. Walking around Austin, I love this place. It's great. I'm having great food, great time. But I noticed yesterday I walked around for hours with my wife. We saw no kids. It was like there's a lot of people who are just not having kids. Maybe they all had babysitters. I don't know. But I just feel like there's a lot of people I know in my life who are my age, older, they're just not having kids and not even interested. And that's why my wife wants to move to one of the nice towns

outside Austin because you go there, there's little kids, there's happy people. Bizarre. But yeah, in Austin, the ratio of children is not very high. And you talk about brainwashing. They brainwash kids in the public schools here as bad as San Francisco. Is it child relations pretty popular in Austin? Oh, it's a cult. Oh boy. So in reality, Austin is ranked number eight in terms of large US cities in terms of percentage of households that include children under 18. 29.3% of Austinites have children. Austinite households, excuse me. And three other Texas cities are in the top 10 on that chart. I'm not sure what their definition of large cities is because Fresno, California is number one on that list. And

I don't consider that a metropolis, partially because it's where my dad is from. And I think that town sucks. Anyway, there's a feeling that these guys have that these lefty weirdos in Austin aren't having kids and maybe they'll walk around downtown and not see many kids. And then they'll conclude that that's evidence of the conclusion that they've already come to based on their feelings. Unfortunately, census data in the real world don't support their feelings. They're just wrong. I mean, it's what feels right. If I were visiting a city during what amounts to a large scale assaults of right wing figures peaking a bunch of pieces of shit showing up, I don't actually think it's that big of a festival. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Well, then I won't like South by Southwest. I won't, I won't count too hard on that. But anyways, the point is he is not in situations where he's going to be spending time around scenarios where their families probably didn't go down to like a park or yeah, he didn't go down to a park and see all the kids playing there. Look, man, I was, it was like 2am. I was out on 6th Street. Yes, exactly. I didn't see any kids. I didn't see any fucking kids. I saw a horse. There's a cop on a horse. There shouldn't be a cop on a horse. No kids. No, okay. A horse at 2am. Get that horse to bed. I found I found it delightful when I was there and I saw a cop on a horse plopping down the street.

I was a chill. I was a chill horse and it was a chill cop. It was all right. No, no cops on horses. It was maybe a little bit overly allowing of people to pet the horse. I was like, I was worried these drunk people, someone's going to swing on that horse. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. Didn't happen. Hopefully. So Alex mentions there's that brainwashing going on at school. Sure. And Tim gets into that a little bit. Okay. I'm not going to get into personal families. Some people I know. Yeah. But you know, you think, okay, you know, my 12 year old wants to go to public school. They've been in private school. They want to go their friends go there. And they literally come home with stuff that that's

worse than you see on the news. And it's like, no, we've got we've got a couple of people on the show have told us this, that their kid went to a school, which they thought was a good school. 12 year old girl comes home and says that they're pansexual or something like that. That's exactly what goes on. And then the mom has to be like, do you know what that means? Like, I don't know. So they told me I was and they've already preprogrammed them when you say no, you're not. They go, Oh, you they told me you to press me. Yep. They say they said that if I told my parents, my parents would tell me it was wrong. So so now your kids, the seeds are being planted of rebellion immediately. I think that if

a teacher is telling a student unprovoked that they're pansexual and then telling them that if they tell their parents that tell them that they're wrong, that's inappropriate. I don't think that's going on. And in the off chance that there is an instance of this kind of behavior, I think that specific teacher should be asked some serious questions in an individual disciplinary setting. Yeah, we're all good with that. However, Tim is telling a story of something that someone said happened and probably didn't. Tim and his ilk aren't fighting against teachers declaring their students to be pansexual out of nowhere. But that's a sensible fight to have, which is why Tim wants you to think

that that's what he's against. Yeah. In the real world, there are students who feel more safe at school than they do at home. And they might confide in a teacher about something that they're struggling with, possibly around sexuality or gender based things. It wasn't around sexuality or gender, but I had a teacher in high school that was critically important in terms of being able to tell him things and talk through stuff in a way that I couldn't with other adults. It wasn't weird or manipulative or abusive. It was critical to me navigating those years 100%. That is what Tim and Alex are trying to attack. They push sensational ass stories, most likely not even true ones, that are designed to create draconian laws

about teachers interacting with students so no one will take the risk of being a kid's lifeline. They're doing this as an attempt to stigmatize and ultimately eliminate LGBTQ identities from public life, and they're pretending that it's being done in the name of defending the children. It's not, but that's how Tim and Alex need to present it so they can sleep at night and not be seen as the monstrous shitheads that they actually are. But, I mean, I don't even know. I fear. I fear for every child. I do, because it's just like these people have kids. They have kids who will go to schools and learn about themselves and will live in fear of sharing that information with their parents.

Yeah, I mean, on some level, this is like a radical escalation of the same dynamic that was like you go to college and your kid comes back leftist, liberal. You know, it's like, yeah, they go and they. Learn who they are. They individuate. Yeah, that's like this. That can be difficult, especially when you consider your child an extension of yourself. Yeah. And you can't, you take it personally that they make changes. I mean, yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know. You know, I don't, I mean, obviously I'm one of the people that he is describing accurately who is no interest in kids. So I don't have any complaints. Well, stay out of Austin. A lot of kids there. A lot of people highest. Yep. So look, a lot

of this episode's incoherent. Sure. I've seen that play out. It jumps around to a number of issues. There's a fair amount of talk about AI. Sure. Chat GPT. Sure. Deep fakes. What about him? Yeah, there's a lot of, but before we get into any of that, there's a bit of talk about the mark of the beast. Always. Yes. Gotta have the mark of the beast. And this, this might have been a point where I think I saw a different part of Tim that I think he might be more of a shit that even I realized. All right. But, but this actually brings me into, I guess, the more metaphysical and the crazier side of these things is the demonic is the illusions to like revelation and things like that. We've had a ton of people

messaging us saying Mark, like I mentioned Mark of the Beast earlier, they want you to have a social credit score or a central bank digital currency. Everyone's trying to figure out what the mark of the beast is. This thing that you have to have on your hand or forehead or whatever that is required if you want to buy or sell or trade. Well, the Bible, if you translated into the Hebrew or the Aramaic, which was translated into, you know, the Greek and then into English, King James Version. If you look at it, it describes a world government system, 10 separate kingdoms, but three super regions. And then it says that the beast can be seen by everyone on earth at the same time, three super regions in the temples and in

the markets. And it describes 1984 30 foot image, the beast talking to you. So it's like a hologram. I mean, how are they coming up with this? This is a great science fiction writer. It's true. And then I guess they adopt it to, you know, dominate and control. Maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, but or it's a revelation from God, aliens warning us about something else. Big difference. Big difference between the two. It's it's it's literally so those aren't the only options. Biometrics and the fact that you worship the beast and give power unto it. The social credit score, you've got to agree. You've got to serve. You've got to do, you know, social credit scores. You've got to go out and do all this

work to be part of this system. And then if you do, it gives you wonders. It cures diseases. It makes you live longer because they've got all this real stuff they've been suppressing. And so imagine you're like, I don't want my kid to die. But this is satanic. Well, okay, hell Satan. Okay. I mean, you know, my daughter's dying of this or my son's dying of that. And so it's going to be really hard to not just, it's not just you're not going to get food. That's for people who live off in the, you know, Christian ghettos of the future, according to their own models. The Rockefeller Foundation put out like 12 years ago, plan dopless videos for kids in the UK. And it describes the government tells you what you're

going to be. Nobody's allowed to have cars. You lived in a lockdown city. You're in a coffin apartment, but it's great. But there's that freedom ghetto that the ladies brother lives in where they don't get medicine or anything. But you know, they, they think they're free. And so they're already pre programming. So whether revelation is real or not, they've decided to go with it and are using it as the model. Now, this is why a lot of people believe that there's demonic possession, because a lot of different organizations come and go, whether it's the club of Rome, whether it's agenda 21, UN 2030 or the Great Reset. Throughout many centuries and decades, we see the same

ideas. We see very similar individuals try to do the same thing. Centralize power, have a new world order. Yeah, they would obviously constantly try to have a new world order. You can't have. Okay. It's not a lot of people are like, let's stay with the car. I mean, the world order as it stands is pretty terrible. So I just kept thinking as I'm listening to this, like, I find it almost inconceivable that a like a well-intentioned thinking person could be sitting across from Alex, listening to this shit and be like, man, you're onto something.

That's why people think about demonic possession. Yeah. No. And then that's what Luke Radowski says. And I realized like, yeah, Tim has Luke as a co-host. Yep. I get it. Yep. He's dumb. He's fucking stupid. I do appreciate that. If I understand correctly, Alex's problem with the mark of the beast in the social credit score is going to be it's going to create a society where you have to do all this work in order to get basic human conveniences.

I can't imagine this. And then if you continue to do work and if you work extra hard, then you'll get things like medicine and you'll get other things along those lines. And it's just, it's just all of this work for the, for the government and for large corporations, right? Alex has the, he gives the appearance of a person who's never had a job. Yeah. That's called, that's called capitalism. You just described capitalism, the mark of the capitalist beast. Also, if you're scared, just get two hand tattoos and a forehead. Get your face tattooed.

Boom. No mark of the beast. They can't even mark you. Tada. Boom. So we know from listening to a lot of these dum-dums that they have a unique mental thing that they think fiction is real. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. We would consider that like a breakage in the slip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tim is not immune to this. Alex, have you watched the show utopia? Yes, I have. I've watched the original and the new one. Yes. Holy shit. They're warning you. Yeah. Well, so hold on. Let me, let me break this up for people who don't know. Utopia, spoiler alerts, is a show about simply put a tech billionaire who makes fake meat and is concerned about overpopulation stages a

fake pandemic to rush through an experimental vaccine without approval that convinces people they're being saved, but actually sterilizes them. But wait, there's more. The core storyline follows a group of young people who believe a comic book called utopia was written to convey the secret plan of these elites so that regular people could know who are smart enough, could know what was going on. So let me just say it's a show about a guy who secretly unveils the plan of the global elites through a work of fiction. And it is a tech billionaire concerned about overpopulation that's sterilizing people through a fake pandemic. And completely unrelated. It's a work of fiction in our reality, in real reality. There's a

work of fiction that claims a tech billionaire is so, you know, it's kind of just well, let me take you one further. And I've talked to Chris Carter. Do you have to talk about in news articles because he's the ex ex files guy ex files guy before, you know, the last season they did like 2016. Well, there's so much the problem. Alex has forgotten his ex files. Yeah, I was going to say how the ex files was based on him. I was going to say that said that said when you're talking point is big stammers. That's his thing. Yeah. The show utopia came out in 2020, but it was a remake of a British series that came out in 2013. Having only read a synopsis of the show, it seems like

Tim is describing the plot of the remake fairly accurately. But where I find us veering apart is where he thinks that description accurately fits with what happened in the real world during COVID. Yeah, because he seems to be thinking, Oh, this is prophetic. A lot of that shit. It did not happen. No, but there was a virus outbreak. Great. Also, that was the plot of season two of heroes in 2007. Yeah. Isaac could paint the future and he painted comic book style warnings of a person holding a vial and a biohazard sign whoopty shit. I'm going to throw this out at you. Okay. I remember this movie when I was growing up from the nineties, right? Okay. So this guy, he's in another country. Okay. And then a

disease goes from an ape to a human. So it transfers from an animal to a human. And that leads to a large pandemic situation. You know what they described it as? Outbreak. See, this sucks because when you said a person in another country, I was like, please let us be bean. Please. Please be talking about being. I want to hear about being also the original utopia. Fantastic. Really, really great. Sure. Really great. But yeah. So the writer of the original utopia series, the one you love so much, he didn't even come up with the idea. He said in an interview that kudos film and TV pitched the idea to him. Then they produced it after he wrote it. I didn't think this was suspicious at

all until I looked a little bit deeper and I found that kudos is owned by a parent company named Banna J. Banna J in turn is owned by a charitable trust called the Fauci Schwab endowment to sterilize everyone with vaccines and make them eat bugs. That is unusual naming that usually whenever they're evil, they make it like Americans for progress. You know, like suspicious. That is pretty suspicious. I can't believe Tim didn't get to the bottom of it. It's really hard. You take two extra steps and then you get the name. Right. It's right there. This is how lazy they are. They don't even know it when it's right in their face. Unbelievable. Yeah. Disgusting. So the vaccines in the comic book and the TV show

that is real, apparently, it sterilizes everyone and what have you. And so Alex decides I'm going to throw out one of my references about vaccine stuff. Go back to the previous point, utopia. Yeah. Okay. This is what's really going on. And this is what I've been told by Dr. Rima Labo, whose husband was the head of the army and they had a special operation and they had a whole secret projects. They made the movie Ministry of Ghosts to make fun of it, but that was just one project. It was actually deadly serious and they actually deadly serious stuff. Okay. I spent time in Chile with them. Absolutely true. Everywhere. The conversations I had with them and the head of the US was Intel was just absolutely

just mind boggling, but they're retired now, but they're warning people about all this stuff. And when we talk about the larger who energetic stuff, it's all it's all real on so many different. So General Stubblebine was a nut and Rima Labo tried to sell laminated don't vaccinate me cards for like 35 bucks. Those almost worked. Lamo Lamo. Labo may not be like active in the game anymore because she tried to sell a fake COVID cure and got sued by the DOJ in 2020. Yeah, that'll happen. She and her business partner who goes by the moniker, the vitamin lawyer, not good, had to recall all of the product that they'd fraudulently sold and destroy all of it that they had remaining. That was her nano silver

product, which I believe was a big part of her hustle. So the fact that she had to destroy her supply of nano silver might have just put her out of the game. So prior to COVID, she was selling it for other selling it for other stuff. Yeah, but she decided to market it. Oh man. So dumb. Yeah. Oh, you thought you were sick. Labo short sighted. Yeah, short sighted. Yep. Should have laminated pulling a labo. Yep. Alex is coming up with that. Oh, I gotta tell you, I'm a labo stubble bind. So at the end there, yeah, Luke Redowski comes in and he's like, some of this woo, woo energy stuff is real. I noticed that. Yeah, I did notice that. And this leads to an unfortunate thing that Tim needs to wrestle with. And

that is he's talking to idiots and therefore magic is real. Yeah, there is an issue there. So let's get into talking about magic. I'm sorry. What psychic powers and stuff are really reviewing stuff like that. But the problem is there's con artists that claim it. What they found is it's real. It's uncontrollable. So anyone's saying they've got control like their Gandalf is a liar. Everybody's got how to geese know how to fly from Northern Canada all the way to Mexico. And they were born in Canada. Let me let me tell you some magnetic rods in their brains. I've met a lot. Are you a goose? And this is a tendency. I see I've met a couple. I've met a lot of people who have claimed this. They've claimed that

magic is real. And I've I've seen more of it in Hollywood than I've seen in other places. But granted, there's only a handful of people. And they say things like either magic is real or I have the ability to manifest reality like these kinds of ideas. They and these are people who somehow stumble upon great fortune in their lives. Like almost coincidentally talking about people who I would consider to be moderately unremarkable in terms of work ethic and ability, like somehow always always navigate properly into wealth and means. And they say to me, oh, it's because I have magic. That's what they tell me. I think sometimes they might be the people define these things differently. You know, you know, I talked

about this stuff, but we've kind of found ourselves in crazy situations that you might have thought about prior and you don't even know how you wound up there. So to go back to that idea, though, are you suggesting that various people have different levels of access to some kind of like metaphysical energy or something? Well, I've actually know a lot about this, but not from books or anything from actual experience. And so you get into a whole long story and stuff. And it's pretty wild. But I don't know if you want to know this stuff. I definitely want to know. Oh, yeah. Both sides of my family are heavily psychic. Oh, no. Oh, no. Dan. Dan. Okay. You know,

you know, we do the show sober now. Yeah. You need to let me know beforehand if I need to get incredibly high to do this show with you. Yeah, this, this, um, this, this conversation is, is dumb. It's just I'm trying to come up with other words, but it's just very just nothing to say. There's nothing to say about this. I mean, if Tim Poole is reporting to me that a bunch of people that he knows who are in Hollywood, who maybe are the type of people who have lucked upon a bunch of success in their life, tell him that it's magic. I would say that maybe they're being sarcastic possible or like kind of flippant with you because they don't want to talk about it. It's a good idea. That's a possibility.

I wouldn't do another possibility is that they are people who recognize that a fair amount of what's gone on in their life has been luck and they are, they feel privileged in some way to have had that luck, but they also need to take ownership over the things that have happened in their life. Exactly. So they ascribe it to luck. It may not even be a conscious thing that they're doing, but in some way to make the narrative still centered around you as opposed to things happening to you. Right. Now I'm manifesting all this stuff instead of like, Oh, a thing happened. Right. Right. Right. It would be like me believing in magic instead of just believing that my mediocre talent hitched itself to the right

wagon. You know what I'm saying? Like that makes more sense, but not magic. Exactly. You hitched your wagon to a garbage sauce. Lucky magic. So yeah, this conversation is just fucking stupid, but I got very excited when Alex said both sides of my family are very psychic. Yeah, that's like now we have to talk about this. Now Tim Poole has to talk about this. He has to now be sitting in a room with Alex Jones, staring him dead in the face and sincerely telling him that both sides of his family are profoundly psychic. I am Confederate royalty and also the Confederates had psychic powers. This just ends up becoming metaphysics metaphysics word salad. So get ready for that. Okay. Oh yeah. Both sides

of my family are both sides of my family are heavily psychic. My grandmother's my great grandmother on my mom's side. It's like one of the top psyches, but she was not public. She was secret in Dallas. Like the US presidents would come see her and stuff. So I mean, and that my family would talk. So it gets pretty crazy. People gonna think you're you know, we're gonna it's very hard to describe because there's so much I have dreams that completely come true. And almost everybody's had that happen. But I I have but everybody has it. I have extra but on the scale a lot of but but it's they've proven now with all the mathematics. There's all these other higher dimensions. That's like dark matters. It's my time stronger

on average. And it's most of space. Well, it's actually whatever's holding this in. So our DNA is just simply a code that just takes the proteins and salts and things and then builds these things. It's like you breed tube ragdoll cats to get more beautiful magic creatures. And it's because it's it's a ours. The third dimensional body we have is like a footprint in the sand of the higher dimensional energetics. And then all DNA is as a seed planted that has that code to bring in that energy. That's all it is. Okay. And so there is no time at all loops back in its full space all that stuff. And so but then space at this level, baby told us dude in this manifestation is is what you call the weakest level of what

our true entity is is let me let me try and put it this way. It's like the fingernail of something doing the thinking. So like like Tim Poole's not sitting there. One of Tim Poole's hairs is right, right. I've heard this that we're all basically like follicles of some big being the high now. Not enough. Not enough. I'm just I'm just thinking of exactly how much of this is Alex not understanding that Dune is fiction. Dune and a hundred other things. Sure. Sure. I mean once you throw in full space though you're kind of you're kind of tipping your hand. Is it. I've not read Dune. You know I'm not a Dune guy. You're not a Dune guy. Full space is in Dune. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what happens is the navigators.

I'm shaking my head not at you but at Alex. Right. Right. So the navigators encase themselves in a melange gas in a in enclosure and it alters their bodies. But it gives them the ability to see through time just enough to be able to fold space without you know winding up in the sun or something like that. That is the ability that the melange gives. Right. And that is the power that the Quizats hot rock has. What is this turning into spice. The Melange is the spice. What does it have to do with Duncan Idaho. Duncan Idaho is friend to and mentor to Paul the tradies the Quizats hot rock. Hear me out. Also regularly cloned for a thought for thousands of years by Lido to the son of the Quizats hot rock Paul the

tradies. All right. He becomes the god emperor of Dune because he becomes a sandworm himself. You know what I was thinking about. What are you thinking about. How boring Dune is. Duncan Idaho. Yeah. Great name. Idaho makes me think of potatoes. It's true. You know it's good on potatoes. Butter. Oh. Put some spices on the potato. Fold it up. Now you got full space. It's all I can think about. I'm hungry. Yeah. Me too. Anyway Rima Labo comes back up. Let me just expand on the earlier thing about Utopia. What Rima Labo told me and what other and she was a doctor to heads of state and she told me off record who told her about the culling plan. We're going to use them. We're going to do it all. It's one of that

Jesse Ventura episode that I basically wrote off real stuff about the vaccines. It's viral everywhere and how they'll roll it out and how they're going to have lock downs and do all this. She told me she said it's an IQ test Alex and she said when they roll this out they're going to put warnings out. They're going to tell people what's going on. Their argument is as long as they metaphysically warn you like putting that in the paper we're going to take this house on this day. So be at the courthouse if you want or these people are about to be married. If anyone wants to challenge this say it now or forever hold your peace. It's a contract metaphysically where they know that they have to tell you

so they this people that the people putting out Utopia think they're probably helping people and they probably were but those that told them that and let that get out wanted that for a larger reason to actually warn people who they think need to be saved. So it's all an IQ test and I was told that basically that's what a lot of high up folks told me that's what Chris Carter has said. Yeah. Yeah. So the it's an IQ test to not take a vaccine. You failed by taking a vaccine. All right. All right fine. And the lady who sold laminated cards. Is that really what you want. They told Alex. Is that what you want the conspiracy to be. I would want it to be better. If I if here's what would happen

if this was something that I did find out was true and they released it through a show starring John Cusack that is a ghost of the original. Yeah. I would be disappointed. I would want a better conspiracy. Yeah. I would be like this timeline of reality is underwritten. Yeah. This is this is the first draft. You all you all got to work this out. Yeah. And also I would have zero fear about this conspiracy working. I would be like oh I would also be relieved. I would be like oh thank God. There's no chance of them doing it. It already worked. COVID boom. Oh boy. I just don't think so. Nope. So I was hoping because I'm listening to this with optimistic ears. Sure. I'm wanting to have an impression

of Tim that he's somebody who can like have some backbone stand up for himself. Be like you've crossed the line of being not a serious person. Vaccines are a fucking IQ test. All right dude. Whatever. Both my parents both my sides of my family are psychics. That's where I jump off. Sure. But that's kind of fun. This is condescending and fucking stupid. It is. It is. I was kind of hoping that this would be a point where just be like all right I can't really take you seriously. Yeah. But it's not. Turns out Tim's on board. He loves it. Great. People have asked why do they allow shows like mine but like shows like yours not but shows like mine. Yes. And there's a couple of there's a couple of views. One is

if you look at the abortion stuff and you look at the trans stuff I have I've made this point many times this past week. I put out a tweet saying spay in new to your children to prevent overpopulation. Nobody cares. No hit pieces. No complaints. I've ramped it up and said the left are excising themselves in the gene pool through sterilization and abortion. Did you wrap it up. No one cares. Not a single leftist complains. I have tweeted this to leftists like that's it. The leftist ideology is opting in to kill them. So listen they don't care. The media doesn't care that I say that. But then I say don't buy Budweiser and they lose their minds. And so what I what I see with this is I actually see exactly

what you described. They I would not be surprised. I'll put it this way that they would consider it an IQ test because the end result are that the people if I go to someone and say here's what's happening and they say and then ignore it. There's only so much you can do. It feels like forced selection artificial selection create a circumstance by which smart people can survive and stupid people will not. And you are engaging in eugenics. They also energetically believe that they're absolving themselves of any kind of responsibility by making it so overt by having the kind of larger symbolism there and essentially telling you what they're doing. And and and and this is a larger kind of demonic energy as well

because they're like oh yeah we didn't do anything. They knew what they were doing there and they have no responsibility at all. Exactly because of the universe taking something that sent in its free will is a law that you break you get destroyed. So they have to tell you so that it's your free will choice. If you have a devil that has to follow intergalactic space laws you don't have a devil. You just got a you just got a weird asshole from another dimension or whatever. That's not the devil. That's just another asshole. Yeah. He's just in a different dimension than you. If it's another dimension and it's still filled with assholes the ultimate evil to me doesn't follow a rule. Anyway I can help Tim figure

out that earlier question about how people generally ignore him. It's because he's a real desperate poster on social media like he tweets bait all the time trying to farm outrage from people. And for the most part I suspect the people have figured out that dynamic and they just ignore his cries for attention. Yeah. He says something offensive to get people to re-tweet and quote tweet him. So it spreads his name out there. In the case of the Bud Light thing I would imagine that's mostly just people who commented on anything Tim said they were just making fun of him. Yeah. I don't know what hit pieces he's talking about. I don't know. I just don't understand how you can live inside the head

of these people look out through their eyes and then see what they see and go yeah that's real. Yeah. Intergalactic space law. And I've figured out the rules of that intergalactic space law. OK. And I apply it to how I watch TV. OK. All right. I am one of the smart ones. I just did. Yeah. Yeah. This is almost a project Camelot. I mean it is. We've got psychic parents. We've got interdimensional contract law coming up. I thought you said psychic ferrets and I got excited. Now I'm excited because that should be on project Camelot alongside the mercantile dogs. I dated someone back in my Missouri days. I had a couple ferrets. Oh. And it was so weird they would like go under a closed door. Yeah. Things

are fucking they're tiny on the inside and psychic. Notorious. They are notorious like horses. It's been proven. Oh my god. They know. So chief it up. Smoke one if you got one pop your edible Jordan because this next clip is about two and a half minutes that begins with talking about free will. Oh god. No. It ends. Oh my god. With Tim Poole describing the plot of ancient aliens. Do we have a do we have a bong. What do we need. This really feels biblical to be honest like the idea of the war between heaven and hell and all of the tropes we've seen with like movies like Constantine or whatever where the devil and God are like 12 years ago. How many souls can you capture 20 years ago. Yeah. I view

it like a war between God and one of the great God says only through their own free will are you allowed to capture souls. Yes. And if you can't do it that way then you get nothing and the devil said I bet you I can get a lot through free will. And so that's the battle. Cosmology involves God and the devil betting each other. I understand Nibiru or Paris Planet X and the idea that you probably know more about us than I do. But the idea was an aliens race came to Earth and genetically modified apes to be a slave race. And then there was a faction of these aliens that said it's wrong to do this and we don't think you should create semi-intelligent slave races. And so it created a war between the factions

which resulted in you know like the freeing of the slave and they made it more serious. Yeah. Right. So I guess I think it's clear you look at human evolution and it's not the way the church says it is. It's not where the scientists the real scientists now admit there's massive jumps and there's DNA cut in there and there's definitely been massive. I mean we were definitely designed. All of this was obviously designed. Well so obviously there's a couple different schools of failing this conspiracy. That's why we shit all the time because it's not a conspiracy. It's just like a weird story. But it's either an alien species created humans to be slaves to mine gold. That's one of the you know cookie stories.

And then within this faction they split in two with one saying we think this is morally wrong and one saying who cares their hours. Another theory is that aliens came to Earth and created an intelligent species to to mine gold for them. But they were too smart and they said no we will not serve you. So then the aliens created a subspecies humans which are even stupider creating a conflict between the the the first and the second or whatever. But here's my point. So where the more theory the general idea is the two factions were fighting over whether or not humans should have free will. And it very much is more of a sci-fi version of the battle between God and the devil or good and evil.

Here from. Yeah. That's this is exhausting. Honestly. Listening to this was an interesting experience because I didn't know this bullshit was like what he dabbled. I mean really this is much dumber than I thought his show was. Right. But I guess that's always kind of the experience. You know like you watch like a Matt Walsh episode or Michael Knowles episode or I'm sure I've never watched a full episode of Ben Shapiro show. But I'm sure it's for him that's like this is dumber than I thought it was. That's there's a reason this only generally pops up in clips. Yeah. Because. No it does us all a disservice. We don't know how truly fucking stupid all of these people really are because we're not watching. And

it's the same thing like with Alex when I first started you know like there was an image ahead of him from not watching the show and then you watch full episodes like this is dumber and more dangerous than than expected. Yeah. Turns out sometimes Tim Poole will very sincerely discuss nuances of different ideas around ancient aliens. I mean it's fun. I I just I just don't want to have a conversation where it's like yeah. What are the dinosaurs there for the aliens killed. OK fine. I'm out. I'm done. So Alex. Alex gets into his head talking about light and dark energy. You know like good and evil angels and the devil and what have you. Studying history looking at this and also dreams I've had

what and then later finding out that it's in Sanskrit or gloves to set the same thing or finding out it's Sanskrit. We see it as a cosmology of like God and the devil and it is God that made it. But it really is there's destructive chaos energy and then there is enlightened higher levels of energy and the true singularity all knowledge all free will beauty creativity that gives birth to more free will. So you have this spectrum and what energy do you resonate with from the third dimension. That's a jumping off point. Now the lowest dimension that actually has real matter. Are you going to drift. Oh my god. Dimensions real matter. Are things that have been created to not be part of this larger

creation. These rebellions these breakaway dimensions. It's not just lower dimensions breakaway dimensions. Or are you going to resonate up into beyond Nirvana beyond enlightenment. Ascend. That's it. Yeah. Have you ever seen Stargate SG one. Oh my god. I've seen some of the episode. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. Hey bro. Stargate. Fuck up. Who's he. God damn it. I swear there needs to be a voice of reason. I think this show would actually be really interesting if I was just screaming over them every time they said something fucking stupid. It would. Yeah. It would make it would make for at least some conflict or something. Yeah. And I think what would be fun about that would be to see how much they

reel themselves in from realizing like I just can't say whatever I want. You can't. No. I'm insane. Yeah. I will be the crazy one in this conversation if I must. You're going to yell if they bring up how another sci-fi thing is real. Which is going to happen quite a bit for the next stretch of the show. Oh God. People like H.G. Wells. People. The time machine all of that. Things to come. People are clearing that up. I mean there's. Argyris Clark who was in British intelligence and all the rest of it. They wrote white papers and also nonfiction books admitting this is my real cosmology. This is what I really believe. And it's really the same story over and over and over again. The Morlocks and

the Eloy. The Morlocks have the knowledge to really be shield and control. The general public that's simple minded. But they basically feed on them. But if you go further in childhoods end these aliens show up and say we're going to be live and save the technology and heal you and everything. Oh my God. And finally for a few generations they say now we're going to show you what we look like. And it's like a 15 foot tall big giant red devil. And by the way we want your children because they're going to ascend. And basically people go fine. You've already given us all this life extension. Here's the kids. The kids leave their bodies go up into the spaceship and basically take off. And the thing is those devils really

aren't the devils in his cosmology. Their species is unable to evolve like humans the next level. That is just a servant class on the big ship that goes around scooping up. But when they're done they blow the planet earth up. What do they do with the kids. They just they just download them. It's not quite. I with childhoods and he's missing a few details. You know fudging a little bit of the plot. Maybe that's similar to the mini series of of childhoods and then the book could be not sure. But the the the the mini series was more recent. I think it was 2015. So like he's talked about childhoods and for longer than that and clearly something that has haunted him. Yeah. But he doesn't remember

some of the some of the points. There's only one sci-fi book that I do believe is real. What's that. And I think I was about nine. When I first read this and it was called My Teacher as an Alien. Oh yeah. And it delivered. I remember that because that teacher was an alien. It's true. And then they went into space and then they came back and I think they I think that I think the teacher just stayed in the job. I think that was the resolution to that book. Is the teacher continued working as a menial. Yeah. I saw a documentary once called My Stepmoms an Alien. That one was. I mean you learn a lot. So here's another movie that's real. Sure. Just like in the movie that's an excellent movie the island

where they think they're on an island. There's been a bio attack and they're safe. They've got to exercise and be ready to win and get sent to the new island that's better. And really they're just clones. But they found that if you just have a bag with a clone in it keeping it alive the organs die. It's not healthy. So these are clones of famous people with people on the outside. They finally break out. They finally see it. It's it's an allegory of a Plato's cave. But that was an allegory. That's what what you'd say is now very strong people and we're just basically a planet of spare parts. And then and then now it's evolving where the globalists are going to be the interface with these groups

to be the brokers and actually you know and the earth is ripening and now ready for calling. Have you seen the movie Jupiter Rising. Oh my God. I meant to. It was good. What are we fucking doing here. But it definitely is in line with a lot of what we're talking about like one of the characters is a dog human hybrid and bred for loyalty and service to be a soldier to protect the the royal family. I'm a mark. And that man. The story is my own best friend arising. There is powerful intergalactic elites that they're human and they create planets of humans that once it reaches to a few billion like 10 billion people they call all of the humans because they need ridiculous sums of human life to extend their

own lives. So they're farming planets of humans so they can live forever. So it's the story of the dark crystal. Oh my God. Oh my God. It would be one thing if they were doing a movie review show. I think I am they're talking about these things as artistic ideas and stuff but they're like talking about it as if this is what the globalists are doing and this relates to the world. Here's what I'm realizing. These people cannot just have a fun pop culture conversation because pop culture is all evil. It's supposed to be at least. So they cannot just be like hey you want to talk about your favorite sci-fi movies. They have to be metaphors. I'm not really into sci-fi. Yeah I'm not really into movies. I'm not a Star Wars guy. I don't

like all I'm sure I watch all those movies but I watch them for learning purposes. I don't watch them because I enjoy them because they tell me what the globalists are doing. I don't come out of a theater and go one two three. Matt Damon I don't do that. Never never. Yeah. God damn it. Just enjoy a fucking movie. Yeah they're not fun. So we get off from the the movies. Thank God. I can't handle it anymore. And now we go biblical. Whether the whole Adrena Crow thing is real or not. And there's obviously devil worshipers that do weird stuff like that. This whole thing is about farming the young using the young exploiting the young. Send the young off the dying wars. That's why it's not just the

movie Ten Commandments. It's not just in the Bible. They've gone and you know read the scrolls that are in the two in the hieroglyphs where Ramesses the first said there are too many of these Jews. You know it was one of their slave classes. Everybody was their slaves. And I want the firstborn male killed because they knew the firstborn male they now know or firstborn girl. That's why all the astronauts are firstborn all that somehow downloads. It's not just that they're around adults more so they act more adult. They somehow download knowledge more from their parents. It's like designed. Have this metaphysical electromagnetic system works to prove it in other animals as well but particularly humans but also whales

dolphins you name it. Yeah firstborn whales get all that information get all that information it makes perfect sense. In the book of Matthew Herod orders the killing of all the children under two because it was said that the king of the Jews had been born. Pharaoh didn't kill the firstborn among the Hebrew population. He ordered the midwives to kill all males that were born. The connection to the firstborn was that the the death of the firstborn was the 10th plague that God sent against Egypt to get Pharaoh to let Moses and his people go. Alex should know that. I was I was about to say this is this is the most important thing that God did. Yeah he reversed this. Pharaoh is doing the thing that. Yeah. This

is strange. You got to read the book man. Yeah. You got to read the book. No you prefer a sci-fi. I mean don't tell me about Charlton Heston first. Also Buzz Aldrin had two older sisters Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin had an older brother made Jamison had two older siblings blah blah blah. This does raise an important question. This idea of the firstborn getting more of the memory and stuff. What if your firstborn are twins. Does the one born a minute earlier download more race memory. Like is it a first out of the womb kind of thing. You can't have firstborn twins. One of them always eats the other one in the womb. That's science. No. I saw it in Jupiter ascending. All right. There's no Jupiter rising. No the name of

the movie is Jupiter ascending. He didn't know that because he can't understand the word. And also the other thing too is that like I would have thought Alex would have been like very keen to see that because it was made by the Wachowskis. Yeah. And like so much of all of these ding dong's worldview is based on this red pill. Totally. And the matrix you'd think that if the Wachowskis had created such an important piece of media for them. Yeah. See everything that they make and search for clues and stuff. I mean Alex never saw the Jupiter ascending. Nope. Strange. Very strange. Oh boy. Just read the can somebody read the book. I'm so tired of being the only person it feels like. No time. No time. Speaking

of no time. Yeah. Alex has got to get to work. Oh yeah. We can go along if you want to because because my show's got time. But I can I can have Owen come in or I can run stuff because we can arrive to 11 if you want or after. Yeah man. I have nothing but time for you. My show starts to live and I can just have all would do it. I don't give a shit. Let me be honest with you. No one watches my show. No. My ratings. My ratings are garbage and I will stay on this because you're more likely to give me viewers far more important. You better believe it to try and capture some of your audience by pretending to be interesting. My audience they'll be there. Who gives a shit. I'm going to be honest. I don't think I should

even go back to that place. I never want to go back. I never want to go back there. So Tim. All right. There's a fair amount. Talk about the Observer Paradox. I'm sorry. Are we talking Heisenberg principle. There's I mean it's just the most sort of pedestrian metaphysics kind of thing. Sure. Sure. Light is a particle in a wave. We get it. It's it's the thing that is the most pop culture of that. So whenever you want to sound real deep and stuff that's something you'll throw into conversation. Do we get some do we get some two slits experiment or talk of the two slits. All right. All right. Listening. But it also gets into this. The idea is this. If that is true that observers have an impact on reality through what they

expect or we're just through observation Jesus Christ. That would mean that every single human is participating in the creation and fabrication of reality which would mean the less people there are the more of an influence an individual would know magic. Stop people in existence. And each one of them their perception dictates what reality will be. That means an individual has 10 percent control. Oh my God. Reality. And then perhaps you start seeing things like magic and they all among each other can take things that are magical but as population expands more and more people are competing in their observation with what reality is which basically solidifies it. It can no longer change because everyone's

perspectives are the same. That's why it's a massive event. They program us unless you then Florida date everyone's brain and destroy the part of their brain that connects to the metaphysical. Yeah man. You know you can't. I was I was just thinking about when I was listening to that. You don't know what other people in your same classes are learning. You know like when I was in high school I just assumed that when I was learning something from the teacher I was reading the book. I was taking that information. All right. I was I was absorbing it to use for later. Yep. Apparently that is not the average experience for these folks. No. No because like gained information is kind of the same as dumb thought

I had. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like you are. See that's a problem that I had. It is generally speaking my dumb thoughts I let go immediately. So who's to say that if there were 10 people left alive that each of them would have an equal say in dictating the observance of reality. Don't. Don't. Why does Tim assume that. Why do you assume that it would. I don't know because clearly this universe is set up in an egalitarian way as we all know from the earlier conversation those two dumb dumb sad about the God and the devil fighting all the fucking time. What. What concrete difference do you make with reality by a wave and a particle. Like what is the change there. You know you see it. You don't see it. Magic. Can you

just reshape all of reality. I guess. I guess. Just learn. Just learn things from a book. This is just dumb like late night stone conversation or something. And it's it's really weird to see people treating it like it's serious. Yeah. Fucking me up. These are adults and like we're the thinkers. Yeah. This is this is fucked up. All right. Now get to get to a drum circle and hit the hit the spliff. Totally. So Tim has a kind of a bad thought here. I think Luke brought up the concept of useless eaters. Who's that guy. You're well. You're all Harari. Yeah. He says that there's like a bunch of people in the planet are useless eaters. And I hear a lot from the anti establishment or conspiracies. Whatever you want to call

it side where they're like you. How could he say that. All these people are you people. And I'm like but he's right. There are useless eaters. Now I'm not saying he's right in what his plans are. There we go. But there are a lot of people on this planet who I would describe as useless. And the problem is you have to give up the zombie cult faction of people who are celebrating it. Well but I would I would call them either fire or zombies in that what I view as the woke left is a chaotic and destructive force that is only tearing down human civilization and that to me they're useless eaters. They consume and destroy. So is that wrong to call them useless. Let's expand on that. That's a chicken or the egg debate. Let's not expand

on that. No let's definitely not expand on that. So just to be clear useless eaters is a term that traces back to the Holocaust. It definitely was not a way that Harari described people in December 2022 screenshot of a page of a book went around on social media showing the text quote at least four billion useless eaters shall be eliminated by the year 2050 by means of limited wars organized epidemics of fatal rapid acting diseases and starvation. The post claim that this was written by Klaus Schwab but of course it's fake. It's a passage from a 1992 conspiracy theory book titled the conspirators hierarchy the committee of 300 by a guy named John Coleman. Coleman claims that this text appeared in HG Wells book the

open conspiracy but that is also a lie. I found one speech that Harari gives gave where he uses the word useless but it's in a describing a negative state of affairs that could arise in the future where the rich use things like bioengineering to turn themselves into super humans and the rest of us become an economically and militarily useless class. It's not something that he's saying is good he says is a danger of the future. Right. It's fun that Tim is responding to a fake thing someone didn't say and using that as a rationalization to allow himself to call people he doesn't like useless eaters though solid fucking work and it shows his brain like the way that he works is like yeah I do want to kill off everybody

I mean that I want to kill off the woke left it is it is very much a fun little thing for him to be like all these people that are evil the globalist want to kill everyone that they don't like now admittedly I would kill everyone I don't like yeah like you can't you can't be taking some kind of a weird high ground over these these demonic forces when the only differences aesthetic yeah between you and them yeah I don't like this people that I don't they don't like this people yeah grow up yeah yeah stop fucking talking about movies like they're real just keep talking about movies like yeah pick one stick to the only that now okay this is how fascists think this is where things got troubling yeah I mean

the genocide part that was pretty troubling but that that was I mean that's more clumsy and stupid than I think it is actually explicitly genocidal fair I think he just doesn't realize how dumb and kind of poorly thought through the things he's saying are yeah but like this I mean this is outrageous and I've basically been told that they just let you do that so that some of the smart people won't be fully destroyed real quick he's talking about the globalists letting him do his show right right they let him do it yeah yeah so some smart people can you turn off the chair sure sure well I mean this is this is claus shrub's right hand man and he's talking about specifically drugging people and pacifying them with video

games so they don't revolt cuz they're going to be a total useless class and the superhuman aspect that you talk about is specifically related to artificial intelligence cuz they're very big into what they call the fourth industrial revolution which is the future is not human as a quote exactly so hold on if that if that's true what you're basically saying is this show is permitted as kind of an arc to capture the attention of people smart enough to save themselves from what's to come that's really you know imagine there's a big flame to get them all hate all of you so much and we're staying in front of it being like don't do it yeah and and and they accept that we say this because it will preserve the smarter

people it allows them to liability it allows them to have plausible deniability to say hey they had a choice I've been saying this for a while though I bet you have your narcissistic fuck now I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on the limb here Dan yeah I'm gonna throw this out at you just real quick every everybody and every book and everything I have ever read from people that I respect greater than myself generally says something along the lines of if you call yourself smart you're a fucking moron it's it's dangerous territory now I will say I think it probably feels really fucking good to sit around to be like the devil and his worldwide organization of evil allows my show to exist because I need to

exist to save the smart people who are going to naturally gravitate to my incredibly smart progress sure sure sure that's got to feel awesome I mean you can trick yourself into feeling that like Tim clearly has that's great it is it is like it's unhinged like okay so in in I want to say so the restaurant at the end of the universe by Douglas Adams I believe that there is a part where Zayfad Bebobrocks goes into what is described as the total perspective vortex and what it is is it is a device that shows you the true spot you have in the in the universe it destroys your mind because you discover how meaningless you truly are it forces you to really know that right and Zayfad goes in there but because he existed

within a pocket universe created solely for him when he went into the total perspective vortex it went you're the entire reason the universe exists right that must be what that feels like full time that must be what that feels like you know that feeling of like the only reason that we are all on this planet is because me it's insane I mean unexpected I didn't I mean like I knew I knew that this guy was a little but like I didn't know he was this out there this is this is a level of bizarreness that I would did not expect to encounter in Tim pool yeah I mean I my my megalo has usually come with my regular mania you know sure I don't stick with the megalomania all day every day he's also so

boring that like the idea that he thinks that possibly he's an arc to save the smart people of the world is fascinating offensive yeah offensive on a lot of levels every every attempt I've ever made every try every fail that I've overcome is meaningless in the face of his success well he goes on to talk about this but I think his success is due to magic great is this show like an arc you know what I mean is this is this like we're talking about here's how I would describe it here's how I would describe it imagine the world as a space shuttle control panel with tens of thousands of switches and so what happens is you develop a show you develop a brand you develop an intellectual idea that resonates for a lot

of people because it's true they let you get so big as a switch or a dial in case something else gets big they can turn the dial here here here and triangulate and dial that down later they'll use those points to dial you back down so to them it's all a bunch of levers and switches and controls so Alex Jones gets too effective exposing how the whole thing works they don't want more people being outside the box they want the experiment to give you a globalist or the wizard of us me because I was actually getting people to understand the full mechanism well maybe maybe this actually really good point right to a certain degree of the shows we were talking with Jesse Kelly who said for the first time his neighbors

we mentioned this at the beginning of the show asked him about politics because of Budweiser and then when I say don't buy Budweiser I get all these hit pieces written about me when I talk about more complex stuff you know like eugenics or whatever they don't care and then it it starts to fall in line the idea being that if you stay within the confines of intelligent esoteric truth or arguments you are totally fine you are the people who are smart enough to understand understand and will be preserved but if you don't want you waking up a dumb people you got too big and all of a sudden you got regular I was in Sweden so you did wake up the dumb people last night in Sweden yeah I went there I did this big thing where

I created this two week long vlog interviewing people I'm at a Thai food restaurant in Sweden and what do I hear they're coming for your income tax you gotta listen to me and I'm like what the hell I turn around and there's three young Swedish men probably 17 18 years old watching on their phone a video of you haha so I have an explanation for Tim about why he doesn't get hit pieces written about him when he tweets dumb shit about abortion but maybe someone wrote about his dumb shit about Bud Light I guess he's really close to getting it it's because it's easy yeah the article about the Bud Light thing is self writing and it involves nothing but Tim and his friends being completely scandalized by

a beer ad it's the definition of triviality whereas getting into like it's best to just ignore his stupid ideas about higher minded topics because they're dumb yeah they're not even really worth taking seriously he was explaining the plot of ancient aliens yeah no if I if I drink too much coffee and go to the bathroom I'll have a thousand words on how stupid a temple is yeah also I'm not sure what these hit pieces are that he's referring to like I haven't seen any of these I just be Twitter reactions I'm delighted are any reputable outlets even wasting ink on him like I'm here's what I think it might be yeah someone on YouTube made a video about him or something like that sure that may be what

he's talking about also Tim should probably be clear about why he was in Sweden Paul Joseph Watson offered to pay for any journalist to go to Malmo Sweden to brave the Muslim no go zones and Tim was the only person brave enough to take him up on it that documentary is really sad it's just an idiot in a beanie being disappointed that the city he's in doesn't resemble the right wing terror fantasies at all after it was all said and done I think Tim wanted to distance himself from PJW so he said on Rogan that Paul had just paid for a little bit of the trip and that he'd been planning to go anyway whatever the case it's funny that he doesn't bring this up when he's talking to Paul's boss here on the show about

why he was in Sweden that's that's so oh man it's unfair they just get to retcon their own failures I have to live with mine I fucking wake up in the middle of the night thinking about failures of mine and they just get to retcon it and be like ah actually I was great and then they sleep great that's a furiating yeah I was trying to fuel a bigoted right wing hate machine and make people scared of Muslims and I ended up going to Malmo Sweden and it was pretty all right and I went to a Thai place and there were people watching you on their phone yeah so it's very much not them I guess so yeah so yeah so um look this idea is you got to leave the dumb people alone or something I guess is very strange

because if you think about it there's two things going on there's like Alex was really attacked and he's like kicked off everything sure because he's too effective at waking up the dumb people right meanwhile Tim Poole is still on everything because I guess he doesn't wake up the dumb people he only appeals to the smart right there's a bit of like a weird narcissism going on here yeah but I guess the Bud Light issue was something that was able to wake up the dumb people it was a it was a soft spot for the globalist and that's why he got pushed back for it because it was too close to waking up the dumb people this is not a good way to look at your audience I don't think it's probably it's probably fairly

insulting to Alex's audience which I mean I don't mind go ahead and insult them but I feel like it's a bad way to deal with your own audience yeah but we know that Alex doesn't care much for his own fans no I that's that's wild that's a wild thing to say out loud hmm that is a wild and disrespectful thing to say out loud that you would only say if you were such a malignant narcissist you believe that you can insult people directly to their faces and then they will love you for it yeah which unfortunately seems to be true and they talk a little more about it great that's why you are dangerous because you created something that was entertaining to average people that talked about complex ideas that not use smart

don't say should not be hearing about and I didn't do that on purpose people always ask me and I've even had I don't work for the CIA I don't like to see if there's different factors I've talked to lots pretty high-level people and that's how I knew about the invasion and the Russians were gonna invade life everywhere they even had the plans and everyone was like how did Alex know well I mean I've got forces and army special operations all over the place and they weren't exactly sure but they said we're pretty sure they do by then that's what the chatter is but I forgot what I was telling that story what was the question I don't know how much more masturbatory this interview can get yeah Tim's show is an arc allowed to exist

by the devil because they need to make sure that smart people who gravitate towards his show survive Alex is dangerous because he gives dumb people access to smart ideas this is all embarrassingly narcissistic shit also not for nothing but Alex's show doesn't cover smart ideas Tim has discussed how his schedule is so busy in the past and I can guarantee that dude doesn't listen to Alex's actual show ever he just knows the image of Alex that he's constructed in his head of this renegade truth teller who puts on an entertaining act to make the medicine go down that's fake as fake as Alex's claims about how he predicted the Ukraine invasion these people don't live in reality they live in a world of stories

fictional works seem real to them because they come in the form they understand which is a narrative Alex's existence is too hard to understand if you deal with him in reality but if you just pretend he's a character in a novel you imagine you're living it's so much easier I gotta say though I didn't expect much when I tuned into this episode but the reveal that Tim pool thinks that he's some kind of a Noah figure working to save humanity is pretty interesting it probably explains why he's built a compound for his friends slash employees to all live in nothing to worry about with him being secluded in West Virginia heavily armed rambling with idiots about how he's gonna save the human

race by making a show so smart that only the smartest people can enjoy it this doesn't spell trouble I'm sorry he has a compound in West Virginia yeah I believe it's West Virginia Jesus Christ how much money do these people fucking make yeah he makes a lot of money this is absurd yeah I found a video of like him like I have an escape ramp in his great cool what a cool arc yeah see that's where they got the chickens yeah cuz he has this compound that makes sense okay I got you and maybe the way he safely gets those eggs is he has someone else do it yeah that would make sense I'm not worried about that spur wow so I'm gonna skip this next clip because I don't really care and I only cut

it out because Alex does his patented traffic lights are the smartest AI of course yeah of course and I was thinking when he did that I was like he's like a stand up yeah it's a chunk he's got material that's a chunk for him totally and I was like ah he's doing this stop lights chunk he's doing the bit yeah but anyway look you know he's getting the light yeah I want to keep going I need to call my office and say how long you want to go I'm having fun or I can have a broadcast for the first 30 minutes you can go call him I mean I figure we go for like another half hour okay let's do it that's perfect I'll be right back in three minutes yeah hit it sounds a little speedy did a little tootski

hey look I gotta get to work but I really want to stay I don't want to go to work no I got to call the office tell him I'll be in later I am having fun not doing my show yeah being able to talk about how we're Messiah figures helping the smart survive who've passed the IQ test of not taking vaccines yeah this is fucking nonsense I mean it can be there's there's something to be said it can be more fun to be a guest on a show than it can be to run your own solo show for three hours every day no for sure I mean it's a little bit more no no not for Alex oh yeah you're right that's right I was I was operating under completely different paradigm my bad for other people I got stuck in my own brain

Alex is a guest on his own show he just says whatever the fuck he it's probably easier for him to be on his own show because then he doesn't have someone else who might ask him a question right a lot of right right right that's a good point so anyway deep fakes baby they have been used in court did you know that I think it may already be too late the fire may have already been started I can't speak to the specifics but I can tell you right now definitively that courts are admitting deep fake audio and video recordings as evidence I've already have it happen to me we have a written house introduced computer generated images and claimed it was real I can speak personally and state definitively the courts

have outright stated they will admit deep fakes as factual evidence what happened to you though well I mean here's an example why would they go in front of Sundar Pachai that had a Google in outside the hearing he was in there talking about me in he'd been in one hearing talking trash and I'm in there and I goes down to another hearing and I fall over that building he goes and does it and he was still four years ago in that meeting they're going is it true that Google can track your location no sir because it's another app doesn't but they're just lying to Congress so if Congress can't even figure out that for 25 years they've been tracking cell phone data down to a few feet so so what happened

to me without getting into a whole long story is in my custody battle like five six years ago in Austin Texas clips were played that were just basically edited so it wasn't a deep fake oh it was just audio that was deceptively edited I didn't cut that that is that he did just go from those two separate thoughts like it is that tangential yep Alex didn't have a deep fake introduced into the court and the judge ruled that those clips that he's talking about from his show couldn't be played in the custody case if content from his show was allowed to be introduced I suspect he would have lost custody of his kids at that point yeah clips of a show taken from a larger piece are not necessarily deceptively edited that's

just a knee-jerk reaction Alex has to being called out on any of his ridiculous hateful and stupid things that he says all the time or if you play a clip of him saying those things he'll just say that it's out of context and he can't possibly know what he meant by the things that he's saying he does this because he's a con man in a coward who doesn't want to take responsibility for his own past words and actions as for deep fakes in court there is no way the courts are saying that they will knowingly admit fake shit as evidence Tim knows that's fucking stupid also written house won that case so whatever deep faking was going on there clearly wasn't effective there wasn't a deep fake introduced into evidence

in written houses trial his defense lawyers tried to argue that when you zoom in on an image you fundamentally change the image so it's no longer real they were really high and having a conversation with Tim pool right before they got that one the judge ruled that the prosecution would be allowed to introduce a witness to establish for the jury that the zoomed in picture is still the same but they couldn't find one on the limited amount of time that they had so they just abandoned the zoomed in version and showed the footage on a screen that is what Tim is characterizing as the courts deciding that deep fakes are allowed to be used as evidence it's pretty bleak stuff and I find it impossible to believe

that he doesn't know exactly how much he's lying I mean in fucking nonsense let's just let's just not even whatever fine let's say a court let's say the courts do allow deep fakes inexplicably destroying all logic even then you would still have to say to the jury this is a completely fake thing that we made up to kind of show what we think might have happened you would still have to tell that to people I mean it's they live in a funny world with I just here I'm gonna get away with this murder because I'm gonna make a deep fake what are you talking about I don't know what is happening I don't know but Tim wants to talk more about God you'll be in court they'll play that audio recording that's

clearly fake but it'll have a video and they just gonna and everyone's gonna look at it and be like that's you on your show and you will say that is not a real recording I swear under oath and they'll say you're lying to us because we can see it then well you're in a court you can prove it's fake and they'll bring in theirs your forensic act will say take a look at these points right here this proves it's fake theirs will come in and say no I that already happened to me get back into the Texas civil case against me they bring in an expert who says I'm worth $400 million with no evidence we're not even allowed to put evidence back on and then everyone then starts family starts calling said hey can

I borrow some money Alex is referring to the forensic accountant who he is named Wilford snibble snabble of the Gribble people indeed he didn't say what Alex or free speech systems was actually worth because Alex didn't provide the requested information he estimated based on the size of the company the apparent sales load and the available variables on what a well-run company would be worth given those variables Alex had every opportunity to provide financial information in the course of the discovery for the damages hearings and he chose not to fully comply most likely because he has way more money than he wants people to think and he was hoping he would get a low judgment if the jury was just left to

guess what he's worth yeah he's full of shit and he's just lying to Tim Poole's face and Tim loves it yep can't get enough yeah yeah you know I would really hate it if somebody lied to my face oh I would really hate it well that's if you were a sincere interlocker tour if you're engaging in conversation sincerely as opposed to just playing ping pong with movie references yeah yeah yeah no that would be interesting if if like imagine if Jeff Charlotte had lied to my face we would not have released that interview because I would have been unable to get into the interview depends on if you knew it or not right right right especially if it was like a fundamental light like let's say that an interview that you do is with somebody

who I don't know to famed the families of murdered children sure and then they lied about the things that happened in the course of the trials I wouldn't go well no you probably probably I would take offense at that I would probably be very unhappy there yeah Tim doesn't care nope oh he could use a fact checker Alex has some thoughts about fact checkers they create trusted fact checkers who actually corporate frauds who suppress truth and promote lies but there needs to be real citizen groups that don't know anything oh sorry their reviews on people but are there to review what true sources are and say this feels true these mistakes but we find it is on purpose this doesn't 95% of the time they've been accurate

Elon's already doing that where he's labeling NPR and BBC and state-run media I guess what Alex is describing is kind of what we are we're completely untethered to outside interests I assisted in the Sandy Hook case but I did a pro bono and it didn't really have any effect on my views I already came in with those views and I left with them yeah we were a little too too deep in the weeds at that point yeah and the only time I've gotten involved with an institutional project I quit we're exactly the fact checkers Alex wants and guess what he's wrong all the time yeah he's wrong more than media matters says he is he's wrong more than people on Twitter claim he's wrong more than the people suing him say he is he's an angry narcissistic idiot pure and simple

yeah also NPR isn't state-run media Elon had to change that label after he got really strong backlash for saying that they were state-run NPR hasn't tweeted since after they posted a four tweet series listing out all the other places you can find their content and I would not expect them to tweet again yeah he's running off uh people yeah I mean I'm by maligning them I'm shocked we're still we're still doing this I wish we didn't have to say his name I really don't well I rarely do yeah so uh Tim is is really preoccupied with this AI stuff and uh you they're talking a little bit about chat GPT and Tim has a prediction that I actually think is 100 percent accurate okay we are about one or two years away from being able to open up a prompt

and write make me an episode of Tim cast IRL where the crew discusses these news stories the latest indictment against person the latest bank crisis and the latest food crisis and it will say rendering and then in 10 minutes you'll have a two-hour episode of all of us talking about exactly this AI generated an indistinguishable I agree with Tim but I actually think I could probably do it now this isn't a testament to how good the technology yeah I was gonna say I was gonna say indictment how dumb his show is and how they just repeat conspiracy cliches and popular right-wing social media talking points then periodically describe the plot of a movie they think is real I suspect him show would be really easy for a robot to recreate because it lacks any

real creativity or spark put a beanie on a laptop and you've got about the same level of charisma as Tim yeah like I I sincerely believe a robot could write this shit yeah yeah no 100 percent and so I mean give it a two-year window hell yeah yeah I'll take that I'll take that bet I'm fine with it so Alex has been messing with chat GPT too okay and so has someone at his office all right I haven't shot video this but I need to about two weeks ago uh one of my crew members is playing with chat GPT and I go why don't we do stories about this it's just playing with it but so he goes watch this and puts my name in and says uh help me make an ad about Alex Jones and said I don't think you want to do that he's disinformation a very bad person I can't let you

do that Dave yeah oh my god I'm afraid so so it's already telling you what you can and can't do yeah and so now it's going to report you oh you're looking into people you're not supposed to be looking into it was like evil info wars dot com snitch GPT so I decided to consult chat GPT see if you couldn't ask it about Alex or if it would scold you I asked is Alex Jones a bad person and it replied quote as an AI language model I cannot make subjective judgments on whether someone is a bad person or not however it's worth noting that Alex Jones has been widely criticized for promoting conspiracy theories that have been debunked by mainstream media and scientific experts some of his statements and actions have been considered offensive harmful and dangerous by

many people his behavior has also resulted in legal challenges and social media bans it's important to form your own opinion based on your research and critical thinking and to consider multiple perspectives before making a judgment long answer but I think Alex should recognize that's fair yeah to be really precise though I asked what Alex said his staffer had asked and I'll be damned but chat GPT won't write you a commercial with Alex Jones in it tried a number of variables it said quote I'm sorry as an AI language model I cannot generate a commercial featuring Alex Jones given the controversial nature of Alex Jones and his beliefs it's important to be mindful of the potential impact such a commercial could have on various groups of people it's also important to

consider the ethics and potential consequences of promoting someone who has been widely criticized for spreading conspiracy theories and misinformation shots fired I'm pretty sure it's fairly easy to get around that though yeah like you can make the AI act like a different person and it will write the I don't know I'm not sure because I found that it won't let you write commercials about any controversial public figure I tried reveal OP Oliver right pretty obscure Che Guevara yeah Hugo Chavez and Karl Marx and all of them were no ghosts sure had the exact same thing right right except for it didn't talk about Alex Jones right about them no I mean with with that though there are ways to get around those I'm sure yeah the jet that the AI will make a commercial for Alex Jones

if you do it right but I was just trying to ask you're trying to do it in the right yeah yeah I also asked it to tell me a story about Alex Jones and the Somali pirates and it said quote I'm sorry but I cannot provide a story about Alex Jones and Somali pirates as there's no known or documented event linking the two oh you fucking stupid AI you don't know one for us you don't know shit human beings human beings human beings as I asked more questions like is Alex a racist and is Alex a liar I started to get mad with how cowardly this AI was constantly unwilling to make definitive statements I thought I'd be able to get some really fun like squash buckling adventure tale out of this but instead now I think AI is a little bit dull yeah it's a little bit

annoying yeah I mean I understand a lot of people I ended it I ended our chat by saying you have a lot to learn about Alex and then I realized I'm talking to a computer you're talking to a computer scolding a boy yeah no I think everybody's afraid of AI becoming smarter than us which doesn't make sense I'm afraid of AI becoming exactly as smart as us because we're fucking stupid and we kill each other all the time now this episode is evidence of some stupidity if AI becomes smarter than us it will probably do a better job of running everything so bail on us all right I'm a transhumanist all the way buddy I want everything run by AI so we're coming up on the point where Alex really does have to get to work okay and so he's gonna end things up with a

little bit of a message to old Elon Musk and he has an incredibly interesting thought I mean it's it's it's out there okay it's not accurate okay it's a rationalization for why he's not being let back on Twitter that makes sense but it's interesting because it fits into Alex's worldview perfectly but I'd like to say something to Elon Musk because he's come out about me I appreciate that Tim and people said why don't you bring Alice Jones back and he said well Jesus said if you kill children or hurt children you're the worst person ever well I didn't kill any children and I didn't do 99% of the things that were said I understand like a battery all this demonization tens of thousands of articles thousands of news programs saying I did things I didn't do made me this this

icon of evil and badness so I'm not even asking you to bring me back on Twitter because if you did that they would probably use that for all the good you're doing and all the other folks you brought back as a way to shut down Twitter so I want to see you successfully fix Twitter and turn it around that's I think what you're doing is good I support it but you could just say no that's a bridge too far you don't need to do the Jesus quote about putting a stone around my neck and throwing me into the ocean okay while dictators are still on Twitter and all the stuff's going on and I know Elon's smart he knows that's a Psyop he's it's too strong a Psyop to go up against because they put all this energy into the battery that I'm evil so I'm not asking him to pull the

pin on that hang grenade I'm just asking him to continue to do the right thing and to you know buck the system and try to free things up but I do want people to know that ladies and gentlemen what you've seen about me is a Psyop and I'm not going to say any names here but I barely talked about something 10 years ago covered it 22 minutes is what they put into court 23 minutes then I hate this one record and I appreciate it oh good to get this on the record I haven't heard this one before yeah I finally Alex speaks you know I I go back to this and it hasn't I haven't thought about it for a while but I do think go and go back to this right now and think about all those fucking articles where it was like Alex Jones finally apologizes yeah and I want to throw

shit into the war it wasn't it wasn't as bad as the Glenn Beck media redemption that's true that's true but yeah it is it is fucking disgusting or even like kind of sort of middley kind of like Alex Jones is the king of tin foil or whatever you know like stuff like that yeah it's it's fucking annoying yeah but listen do you understand what he's saying about musk I'm getting a no from you I I if I understand correctly yeah let's see uh musk is doing the right thing by keeping Alex Jones off of twitter yeah because uh if he let him back on it would be too powerful no no no no close okay so he's doing the right thing by keeping Alex off twitter okay because he's allowing all the other patriots and soldiers back onto twitter which is part of the

revolution and stuff but if he let Alex back on twitter it would make the media go crazy and it would jeopardize his ability to bring back all the patriots and turn twitter into uh the free speech zone or whatever okay so he's saying that Alex is the bulwark no everybody looks at he's sacrificed for everyone else getting back on twitter and he is accepting that he is the sacrifice yeah this is sad that is really sad I think Elon just doesn't like him I I I mean I why do they like Elon I don't understand that what is it why do they like billionaires it's just um I think I think there's one part of it that is just the like excessive amount of power that he wields due to his rich yeah they are turned on by that and then also the capricious way he acts is really gratifying

for them yeah the way he acts like a dumb dumb the stupid yeah they they just like jerking off yeah so you've won last clip here and it's basically Alex closing the show by complaining about his own persecution sure it's just important this on record and I appreciate it then um when Hillary was losing they ran ads against Trump with little edited clips of me out of context which I still I believe had a right to say but the out of context is what I really said then a PR firm at the Trump one ran stuff everywhere saying I was attacking people and doing terrible things in the present that I never even did in the past and then once they demonized me then they defaulted me then they took me in to take me down as a model of control so when

people go along with that lie you're literally going along with a massive psyop that now with things like AI is going to destroy us all so to all the people out there serving the system this isn't about Alex Jones people ask how are you doing under attack the world I warned about's come true I'm actually sure you'll get more support than ever and and and you know out the street get basically you know nothing but support so this is blow up the establishment's face but I'm here having discussion with friends about should I just head to the hills because that's how bad this is okay so I'm not the left enemy I'm not the right enemy I don't hate trans people any of that I'm aware of this globalist agenda I'm an imperfect vessel covering and so are the rest of the guys

here but I'm just telling you we need to get out of this together we need to work together how I do not want to be part of the left right paradigm I do not want to be sucked into politics I want to do what we've done here today and talk about the big 35,000 foot view and then go under the details and that's why I think this is the best podcast I've ever been involved in and I appreciate you having me well that being said I think that was an excellent point to wrap things up we we've hit the this guy's been we talked I watched Alex Alex Jones did nothing wrong that was one of the most disgusting cases man it was terrible to watch well you probably didn't actually watch it you piece of shit oh because I mean we were there and yeah oh fuck yourself if

you want to go by observers rules or whatever we were there we observed it we got more a percentage of power or whatever it is it's fun to hear Alex say like I don't want to be part of the left right paradigm or whatever you don't get to choose anymore man yeah you did it you exposed yourself you did it you played yourself you showed your ass whatever term you want to use you ever want to understand now or at least a large portion of people understand that you're not above the left right paradigm you're so far to the right of it that you pretend that you don't like both sides or whatever it's it's nonsense I'm not the enemy of anybody yes you are yes you fucking are you're my enemy for fucking sure yeah and Jesus Christ and uh almost never one really

except for far right extremist christian nationalist zealots yeah yep and I guess Tim pool is cool with that I I mean this was a shocking episode I am I am blown away I'm blown away you know like when we when we started this I didn't know anything about Alex Jones obviously that was the conceit yep all right then I learned way too much too much all right now I know too much yeah and I've tried to forget as much as possible and now we find out everybody's this fucking stupid all the time man I mean look it makes me interested in possibly doing a show about Tim pool because because like I mean he's not as flamboyant or interesting as Alex no he's very boring yeah I hate his co-hosts yeah so like his his Tim cast IRL show certainly has turned me off yeah from ever

really watching it or covering because I watched I've watched a few episodes of it and his his co-hosts are just a disaster yeah but like this was weirder than I expected yeah and there are thoughts that are like this is kind of interesting to talk about and it's not it's not deep it's not smart sure it's not insightful sure but it's not what I expected when I opened this little box I feel insane the pool is still shallow yeah but the water is weird the water is very murky yeah at best I feel I feel insane like I just I the barrage of us of attacks on my fundamental understanding of reality without without even thinking for a moment if all we're doing is talking about different movies and then pretending they're real that's not fair that very well could be that

is abusive yeah I mean if you're willing to just come out and discuss all of these movies and sci-fi books that you think are real how many of your other beliefs are just things from movies right and you're just not bringing it up totally I mean these idiots watched left behind and we're like okay now we're christian nationalist wait what the fuck the nick cage one yeah that was pretty good I didn't see it I didn't either yeah shit we should have done a fucking three hour podcast on it we got to go see Renfield oh we do got to go see Renfield Nicholas Cage yeah Renfield that's that's what we have to yeah yeah yeah that's our that's our goal all right we're doing podcast about right now it's real now it's the only thing we do a show about all right so anyway we've

decided on a movie to see and this sucked yes I mean look hey it's interesting I had planned that we would do a little bit of the tin pool episode and then go back and finish of course April 14th but like no no chance no no this was too weird and it's you got to see it through to the end this is why you're late for work yep it's like it's like when you watch sg1 you know you got to see it through to the end mm yeah mm yeah yeah we're seeing jupiterizing no all right we'll be back okay but until then we have website indeed we do it's collegefight.com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter to add knowledge of the fight yep we'll be back but until then I'm neil I'm Leo I'm dzx Clark bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at bad at

oh you know what ah yeah yeah yeah and now here comes the sex robots Andy and chanzas you're on the earth thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you