Knowledge Fight - #810: February 18-23, 2004

Episode Date: May 26, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan are forced to stay in the past because Alex has been out of the studio all this week.  In this installment, Alex meets The Shrimp Man and swears off coffee.

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There's just something the strange sound. Yeah, I think we're better now. I think we are. We could restart, but we just fucking won. This is free behind the scene shit. It was too gold. It was too good. Too solid.

And indeed we are, Dad. Jordan. Dad. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot, Jordan, is irony. Irony. Well, actually, What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot, Jordan, is irony. I-R-N-E.

Well, actually, I have two bright spots. One is irony, which I'll get back to in a minute. And the second is I got burned by novelty once again. Oh. I was at the Wal-Greens. Ironically? Maybe. I don't know.

Just unfortunately. Well, there's a slight irony to it, which we'll get to a minute. I'll get to. So I was at the Walgreens, picking up some things. And I wander through the chip aisle. And what do I see, but a new flavor of Dorito that was called Hot Mustard. No.

No. It's kind of ironic, because I bailed on the year of the mustard. Yes, so there's something to be said. So I saw that. I might still be coincidental, but okay. I was like, ooh, how do I turn this down? That is a weird Dorito flavor.

That is strange. So easy, so easy. Why would that do that? You got wrong, wrong. So I was on the cusp. Uh huh. No, I wasn't. I decided to start.

The moment you saw it, you were buying it, and you were taking it home, and you were like, this is probably pretzels. And one thing that got me really over the hurdle easily was that it was by one get one. So I was like, I can get a safe flavor. Right. And then it's kind of just free hot mustard.

You can't hurt me. Wow, it was bad. It was so bad. Why? It was really, really accurate in terms of hot mustard. All right. Yeah, it was as advertised. Yeah.

But also, you can't really get rid of the corn flavor of the chip. Right. And so you had this corn plus hot mustard which is not pretzel. It's not pretzel plus hot mustard, which makes sense. Yeah, it was just, woo, do not recommend. Do you think?

I feel like there's two competing factions in the Doritos flavor factory. The corn and the hot mustard. No, there's the people who are like, let's make the best tasting chip. And then the people who are like, if you're gonna call it hot mustard, it's gonna taste like fucking hot mustard, all right?

I don't care if it tastes good. I don't care if it tastes like anything, it's gonna taste like hot mustard. You said it. I hate to say this. Yeah. Doritos. Call it that.

Call it that. You can't do better than the two cheese ones. You got, you got your nacho cheese. You got your cool ranch. You got your cool ranch. You did it. Yeah, I don't like the cool ranch ones, but I know that they have their fans.

Right. And those have been around for 20 something years longer than I've been alive Maybe yeah, yeah, everything since then has been I don't know what it is and I get I think there are my you must they must just be bored I can't get any like yeah, they can't just be like hey listen We're gonna make these three flavors. We're gonna be rich forever and then we'll just keep going. I know that there's also fans of the spicy nacho. I'm not as much of a fan of that one, but you know,

that's kind of, you know, become almost a, within the uvra of standard Doritos flavors. Yeah, yeah. Whenever they start fucking around, it's a mess, and I will get tricked every single time. Every time. Thank you, Doritos. You see, I can't, I can't get out of my head that there's something,

there's some sort of trick behind it, you know, like it's a trick to get you to pay attention to Doritos, recognize one of their flavors is bad and then go right back to cool ranch or whatever, you know, it's the potential of what could be. And then you realize how good the nacho cheesens are. They're so tricky. Yeah. They're better than they're smarter. Yeah.

Yeah. They remind you of what you like about them by giving you shit. Absolutely. Fooled you again, assholes. So the irony, yes. Bright spot is. So on our Monday episode, we talked a little bit about how we have a responsibility to cover the present day and stuff. And, you know, I don't think it's any secret to anybody who

listens to the show that I think that the present day is much less interesting than the past. Yeah. I think that Alex is not as, there's not as much depth to what he's doing. There's not as much. The guests aren't really as interesting. You know, and so. It's secret the way the statute of liberty is a secret. The statute of liberty? Yeah, well. So there is a hurdle that I have to get over in order to get to a place where I'm like,

you know what, the present day requires our attention. And now let's do this. Right, right, right. And so I was there on Monday. You were there. I was there. And we put out the episode Sunday I was like I can't wait for Wednesday show. We're gonna do some sneaky snake shit. We're gonna cover Sunday

We're gonna cover Monday. Uh-huh Alex is out of studio on Sunday Harrison Smith host Monday, oh in so stay all right. He's been out of school this whole week. What is- what is ha- oh my god. Probably back in Cabo. I mean, yeah. I- oh god, damn, that somebody take his money away. Why is this happening? Why is this happening? I mean put him in- put him in shackles at least, like a little bit, like, fucking god damn Christmas Carol-ass shackles.

You know what I'm saying? I don't want him to be in prison, but I don't want him to be able to enjoy himself. Cabo. So I was itching to get to work on this present day business. I was, I was ready. Yeah. I was ready to do Wednesday.

I was, I was excited to have a three episode week. I was, I was shadow box. You were all ready for it. Alex was out of studio the whole week. Yeah. And maybe it's a small blessing, because I was pretty busy this week. Yeah. And maybe it's a small blessing because I was pretty busy this week.

But we, you know, we're here on Fridays episode. We're going back to the past. That's what we're doing, because we won't be getting whatever we want. So anyway, what's your bright spot? My bright spot is a little bit of anime. I've been watching some anime recently. I think kind of a pervy kind of. I've been kind of in a pervy kind.

I've been kind of in a funk. No, not pervy. Although, I mean, some of it's from the 80s. So yes, it's inherently pervy. Just all anime in the 80s was pervy. Sure. In a creepy way. And then now, also, it's all pervy.

But yeah, yeah, so I rewatched Neon Genesis, Evangelion. Mm-hmm. Yep, that's still crazy. I heard that. Still crazy. Yeah. Horror, horror, trauma, just misery. Horror trauma misery.

Yeah, but general robots. You have sold me on it. Giant robots. Mm-hmm. Are they the ones committing the horror and the trauma? No, no, no, they. Are they miserable? They are.

Extremely, really miserable. Extremely miserable. Yes. Also, that's another big, you gotta feel, you gotta deal with that question, watching the anime and you don't want to. And when you get to the answer, you don't like it. No, it's not good. Do electronic sheep take anti-depressants? No, they come from space and also Jesus is involved.

I mean, man, it's wild. I think, here's the thing. I think we could definitely do a God awful movies about an episode of Neon Genesis Evangelion. The amount of Jesus imagery in there is absurd at some points. Yeah. I'm out.

But it's great. Okay, I'm preemptively out. Yeah, just to get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like Jitsu Kaizen and then maybe the pervious anime of all now is Chainsaw, man. And that's absurdly pervy. And so I think-

Based on the title, I would, that's not how I would assume. You wouldn't, yeah. But then you watch it and you go, wow, how about that? Yeah. Sure. Sick ass Chainsaw, man. Still gonna do that, huh? All right. But yeah, it's enjoyable. That's my bright spot. Fun. Yeah. So like I that, huh? All right, but yeah, it's enjoyable. That's my bright spot.

Fun. So like I said, we're in the past today. Yeah. We're gonna be talking about the 18th to the 23rd of February, 2004. Okay. Part of the reason is Alex is also out of tune. Yes. Yes.

You just, what we just did are fucking bright spots. And then we were just like, hey, Alex is out of studio in the past, I don't know what to do now. It is strange because I am covering over this period and he's running rerun, but there is an ability to go to the next day, whereas in the present day, you know, this shit hasn't happened. And I don't have a time machine yet.

That's true. So we'll get down to business on this here past episode Which is actually really just the 23rd. There's only one clip But before we do let's say hello to some new walk. Oh, that's great idea. So first Now I got to be honest. I'm not super happy about this one. You're now a policy wonk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk Hmm, that was an attack, but I'm not sure how anyway. You're now a policy wonk. But, hmm, that was an attack, but I'm not sure how. Anyway, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. I think that was a joke that they were joking about. Right, right, because I have said I'm not happy about some of these names. You know what, they're dirty. Oh, I thought they weren't happy about the, yeah, never mind. That's how I took it.

Okay. That's an attack. Yes, you did, as usual. Next, whap, That's how I took it. Okay. As an attack. Yes, you did as usual. Next, uh, whap. That's some wonk ass policy. Thank you so much, you and I, I'll policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

I'm sure that's a wet ass pussy. That's an attack on you, absolutely. Yeah. Oh, next, uh, Karen, it's game time. Thank you so much, you and I, I'll policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much, Karen. It's game time.

Thank you. It's from, uh, Karen's, uh, from the stream. Oh, Karen, the dragon. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much, Karen. It's game time. Thank you. It's from Karen's from the stream. Oh. Karen the dragon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, fun. Karen, it's game time. Next, let's do it a da da da daddy shark. The da da daddy shark.

You wanna know how policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. And next, I'm not mad at the crew. I'm just disappointed that they're all globalists. Thank you so much, you're an out policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Jornaal, Palsy Wong. I'm a Palsy Wong. Thank you very much.

And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan. So, thank you so much to Knowledge Fight has broken my brain so much. My spouse has to remind me not to talk about the protocols of the elders of Zion and public. Thank you so much, Jornaal, Palsy Wong. I'm a Palsy Wong. Before I start, I'll hump you in my mentality, you're brilliant. Someone, someone sat on my, and sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, satamite, sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark! BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little, teeny baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ! Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you very much. That is a tough consideration, and I actually had a moment like that this week.

Um, I mentioned that I'm probably gonna be moving pretty soon. And so I've started getting some stuff packed up. And I had a box for books. And it just so happened that the top level of that was the Turner Diaries. I'm a copy of the Turner Diaries. I don't want to risk movers or anybody possibly seeing this. Let's put something else on top of that

That is the most foreshadowing scene in a horror movie of like a you just walk in and seems like a totally normal guy And then at the top of his bookshelf is turner dies and you're like I have it for research Do one hour later Several bodies all the So Jordan we have a it's been a while since we've had an out of context drop but we've got one today and i was about to make fun of the quaker had decided not to do it and you

brought it up uh... i mean i shouldn't make fun of them they're very dangerous yeah that'll be careful don't make fun of the quakers of all the inverted reality world and that was just out of love field to me. Well, he wasn't gonna do it.

Why me? And then, right, but- Someone brought up the Quakers and then- Quakers aren't very dangerous. They're a fellowship of friends, right? The brotherhood of friends? Or-

Yes. I don't know, I don't know all that much about the Quakers to be totally honest with you. That's a little bit of a blind spot that I have. But I don't think all that much about the Quakers to be totally honest with you. That's a little bit of a blind spot that I have, but I don't think that Alex is correct. Well, I mean, they could one, they can only exist on tectonic plates. Interesting. A lot of them in California, ring of fire, all Quakers. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Didn't know that. Crazy.

I mean, I'm resisting an Oat comment. I'm going to keep doing that. Good call. So here is our one clip from the 18 share Not really that much going on on this episode a lot of trading water But Alex has a couple of presidential election 2004 presidential election stories all right Then I thought he would develop over the course of the episode and he really doesn't a Borschen claim hits the president. this is out of the mirror out of England. Protographer, pornographer, Larry Flint says he has nailed down his claims, George Bush, a pro-life campaigner arranged for a girlfriend who had an abortion in the 1970s, Flint 61,

a failed California governor candidate, said, I've topped Edelwaman's friends, I've cracked down the doctor who'd been the Immersion, and the bunch of people who arranged for it, I've got the story nailed. That's how Flint talks. He said he would publish his claims in a book of the Height of the Election season. Flint's mudsling incomes am amid what promises to be one of the dirtiest battles for the White House ever.

Alarmed aides of President Bush, 130 million pounds, for the campaign to derail the runaway success of Democratic hopeful John Kerry. The publicans are trying to portray Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, for 19 years as a hypocrite and a political puppet. Well, you're both puppets. And yes, Mr. Kerry did use his purple hearts to get out of Vietnam. Yes, Mr. Kerry. I'm sorry, what?

The protest with Jane Fonda. Yes, Mr. Kerry is a white washer in a bunch of different committees. But it doesn't matter. They're both pieces of work. did you can forget about the presidency? We better work on getting our country back at the county, the city, the state level. As Hutton Gibson says, we need to have a couple states to seed, not to send the message that we're not putting up with as much of a law of tyranny. Yikes.

That's quite a message you're looking to send. Is that a plan? Is that a plan? A warning shot. A couple states. We're looking to say. Is that a plan? Is that a plan? We're gonna leave this country. Now you better sit up and fly right, like what? That we'll come back if you guys behave better. Sure.

I don't think so. You're gone, man. Yeah, go away. Good luck. I honestly love it or leave it, I guess. As far as like a state's as eating, the ramifications are gonna be much worse for you. That's on you.

Yeah, that's on you. Figure out your fucking trade routes I guess. Yeah. So that's weird. But also, if you look at this, the story's about both candidates don't feel right. Yeah. So Carrie first, Alex a couple of days before this

had responded to a caller talking about John Kerry and recognized that he was like a war hero and what or at least was somebody who served and went to Vietnam. And now that's starting to twist. And I wonder if this is part of like the beginning of Swift boat. Yeah. I wonder if the recontextualization of Kerry's war record is something we're seeing the beginnings of here. And I got excited about that because I thought over the course of this episode, I might get more details on what Alex's feelings are

and there's nothing. So that is just a dangling thread we'll have to pick up later. Yeah, because that's one of the more interesting, I mean, if you, like from a non-morality standpoint, like stepping back, there's no such thing as good or evil. That's one of the most compelling political strategies that's been pulled off, I feel like in my lifetime,

is the way that they just perfectly took what should have been a true strength for this political candidate or whatever, and hung it around his neck like an anchor. It's very fascinating how that humanity can be like swayed into just being like, oh yeah, that's stupid now. It is strange. And it is something that I really look forward

to seeing through the prism of Alex's coverage. And unfortunately it did not happen just yet. But you do see little indications that some of this stuff is starting to become the mode of conversation in the right wing media. Now, second, the thing about Bush, I got even more excited about because I was interested to see how Alex would cover this. There is an obligation that Alex has to not attack him very harshly. Because Alex has in theory, at least, at this point,

and he has a position that being involved in abortion in the past is not indicative of your, you can repent of that and stuff. You can still be a fully pro-life person, or anti-abortion person. He's an exemplary of that. Exactly. So for Alex, someone attacking Bush on that front, he's not, he's not truly anti

abortion because he's participated in abortions. Alex has to be against that. You would think. And so I was excited to see if he would defend Bush on this front. Nope. Well, there's not a yes or a no. Oh, there is legitimately the only conversation that happens in this episode is basically him saying

that Larry Flint is making this claim. It's just descriptive as opposed to any real conversation about that. And that was a bummer. Yeah, that is disappointing. Yeah. I mean, maybe it'll come back up because Flint is saying he's gonna write this book so maybe he'll continue talking some shit and they I'm I'm sure

He's gonna say did he write that book. I don't know But it's certainly not sketchy that you're planning to release it at the height of the campaign season That that has the ring of talking shit I was it is the ring of a Profit motive. Yeah, and also I'm not actually going to write this book It's a lot harder than just making pronouncements like all when it matters most the book will be there i think it when you're in that kind of space you can have someone else to

it that's a fair point out i've never considered that so uh... i was a little disappointed and overall this episode is just quite disappointing yeah and so alice is gone until the twenty third comes back into studio and it turns out he had fallen ill. Welcome ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us. It is Monday the 23rd of February 2004.

Two days until the passion of Christ comes out. I'll be there on Wednesday afternoon watching it and giving you my report on Thursday. I apologize for not being here last Thursday and Friday. I normally do the show when I am sick. I'm rarely sick. I thought I had a cold last week. It turned into the flu, 104 temperature. Let's just say I was not a happy camper, so I could not do the show.

But I am here totally recuperated. In fact, there was some good side effects. I'm off coffee. I said, hey, I haven't had coffee in three or four days. Why? Great coffee now. So I'm off coffee. So, I guess the only drugs I use now are occasional Tylenol.

And I lost 10 pounds while I was six. So I'm even more handsome now. Any never-touch substances again. It's gonna say. Any gave up all excellence in the like for you. I had no vices. Last February 23rd, 2004. De-markation point.

Yeah. The T-toteler. I would enjoy of all the things that our show has done over the years. You know, we've accidentally stumbled into a lot of interesting events worldwide. I think it would be fun to discover if time travel was real through this show when Alex from the future gives Alex from the past his first hit at Coke. He just walks in like, hey buddy, let me show you something. And then change your life.

He has a vision. Um, yeah, I don't know. I think it's kind of gross. The, uh, I lost 10 pounds because I was sick because you realize it's like vomiting or diarrhea per blade. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, those kind of mental images Alex bringing up is not, uh, not that great.

No. Although, I mean, it is, I don't know. He always says that he never gets sick, but he's sick a bit quite a bit. I mean, I seem to notice like there are times he's sick. He had COVID three, four times, probably almost dead. Some of these vacations very well. Maybe not really vacations. Who knows? Yeah. It seems like his self image requires an immunity to all Decees I think I think he has some of that some like more Like his toughness is built into that sure, but then especially once he starts selling supplements that are supposed to boost your immunity and all that stuff

If he's taking those things it would be bad if you was sick That's a good point So there's all for the bad if you was sick. That's a good point. So there's almost. It's bad for the business if you're sick. Yeah. So Alex has a guest on this 23rd episode and it's a name that I know, but not from Info Wars. Okay, I've never had more to talk about. Just an absolutely gigantic ultra massive show. Coming up in the next hour, folks. So you're not going to want to miss this.

We have a very interesting individual coming on the show. Michael Shremmton, a national security barrister. He's written for the Journal of International Security Affairs. He has briefed the United States Senate Committee on Intelligence and a lot more lengthy bio. So, at this point in time in 2004, Michael Shrympton is in fact a licensed barrister in the UK who isn't necessarily the most highly placed source Alex could be talking to, but is someone who is at least a British lawyer?

Yeah. Shrympton is a conservative, but his party identification has wobbled all over the place over the years. But he's a critic of the EU, so he and Alex can find some common ground on that front. You may notice that I said that he's a barrister at this point in time in 2004, which applies that he's not anymore. Yeah, that's because he's not anymore. Yeah, that was foreshadowing. Yeah, and the lead up to the 2012 Olympics to be held in London Sorry, I'm sorry of all the ways for this guy's no longer a lawyer story to start Big fan of it starting with the fucking Olympics the London summer games

That's the way you stop being a lawyer So at that point shrimp didn't made a big deal of publicizing a conspiracy he believed he had uncovered. It was his belief that the Nazis had reactivated their intelligence organization, the DVD, and were planning on detonating a stolen nuke during the summer game. This was very much not true, and he ended up getting arrested for perpetrating a bomb hoax because he spread this information to conservative organizations and made incessant calls to MPs and including the then defense secretary wild.

And the course of questioning it turned out that he believed that this group the DVD had taken over Alcada and had quote penetrated MI5 and MI6, which explained why he was the person with this intelligence as opposed to the country's normal intelligence community. Right. See, they were in on the cover. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Now, in an article in the Bucks Herald about his arrest, they say, quote, shrimpon refused to reveal his sources, but said they included, quote, someone in Munich who lunches with the

Pope. So high, high level stuff. The court found that he was not in fact an intelligence specialist, though he presented himself as one and conveyed this nonsense bomb threat to the government and the public under the guys of one. Ultimately he would be sentenced to a 12 month period of incarceration for this misadventure. Damn, yeah. He got a full year for this shit. However, in the course of the investigation, the police found child exploitation material on a memory stick in his home. Motherfuck!

Yep, he was charged for possessing this and was put on the sex offender list. He attempted to appeal his conviction but failed, and as a combination of these two things, the Olympic bombing hoax and the child exploitation material, he ended up losing his license and is no longer a barrister. These days, you can find Michael Shrimpton on outlets like Project Kamalot, Spounding Nonsense Conspiracy theories, which actually was what he was also doing before. The Olympic bombing hoax wasn't his first foray into conspiracy bullshit. It was just his highest stakes one, and the one that ended up ruining the veneer of credibility

his job title gave his shit. You could probably tell by listening to him that Trimpton wasn't someone you needed to take seriously, but Alex is a real sucker for someone with an official title who says the stuff he wants to hear. Also, Alex is blinded by accents. Yeah. Either way, you're probably asking yourself why is Trimpton here now since 2004 is so much before he cracked open the nuclear bomb. Sure, sure.

A story of the Olympics. Before the Nazis had taken over both MIs. Well, you don't know. Maybe they had already. That's possible. This is a bit earlier. Weird. What's he doing here?

Right. So, okay. So when did the Nazis take over al-Qaeda? Is my first question. And how? That one, that's the one that I am am like that's the key to the whole mystery Hold on hold on I got a colleague. I am unique who lunches with the Pope gotta find out What's that meeting like oh the Nazis show up with al-Qaeda and they have fucking lunch? What are we talking about?

Yeah, I'm weird. I'm weird. Yeah. Well the Pope would have to negotiate that for sure so there's a very familiar a bit of conspiracy that uh... shrimp in his on to talk to Alex about uh... he's traveled all over the western world and given speeches and consulted on terrorism uh... guess why he's joining us on the show nine eleven truth or is well last week may have seen a story floating around that somebody inside the British government had sources that said that they could confirm that Dr. David Kelly had been killed. Oh, we've already got all these top doctors and scientists6, and from the information he has, he knows how

they killed him, how they killed Dr. David Kelly, and why they killed Dr. David Kelly. I wonder if this was, well, MI5 and MI6 were infiltrated by the Nazi people. Maybe because this didn't work out for Shripton, maybe that was how he learned that they were infiltrated. That could be. I don't know. Michael Shripton doesn't know shit about any inside information about David Kelly. He knows as much about this as he does about the nukes at the 2012 Olympics, which is to

say the stuff he knows is horse shit that he's probably making up or someone else's workshopping with him. Part of what makes me confident about this is that in 2006, he was interviewed by the BBC for a documentary series called the conspiracy files He comes off looking real dumb in that show and not because his theories about Kelly There were a number of people pitching ideas about how Kelly might have been murdered and they came off a lot better The reason he seemed so dumb was because he acts like a buffoon. Here's a little clip of him from that show. All right. Michael Shrinton says he knows that Dr Kelly was assassinated because of his extensive

intelligence contacts. That is the red phone. And if that phone goes, it could be anybody from the White House to the President's administration in Russia, to the CIA, to whoever. It's not usual for me to pick up the fan and have Henry Kiss and the other end, but that has happened. He actually has that number because it doesn't have that number. That gives me a direct line through to Vice President Cheney's office. Okay, buddy.

This guy was made for tricking dumb Americans. This is, that's the voice you need to be, oh, it's a razzar. Lot of confidence. C-I-A, it's a razzar, razzar, razzar. Yeah. Oh boy. Yeah.

Oh, you aristocratic fuck. It's not usual, the Kissinger just rings me up out of nowhere. Oh, God. So also, I will say that this clip from the show did no favors for Captain. Oh, yeah. Michael Shrinton is also a fan of espionage fiction from Frederick Forsyth to Tom Clancy.

Yes, he's one of my favorite authors, yes. One of Tom Clancy's books, The Teak of the Tiger, concerns an off-the-books team of US government assassins who are foy detection by killing their victims with succinyl co-lein. There is a reference to succinyl co-lein in this book and I think that follows the assassination of David Kelly. Tom Clancy has very good contacts

with the in the National Security Community. It may be that Tom Clancy picked up a reflection if you like or a look back from the Kelly assassination. uh... uh... the kelly assassination suggestion is that i got toxic and i'm can see novel sorry that that much i'm not convinced yeah i mean it's kind of i mean this is obviously it's gonna make it sound like

other this idea got from the time clancy novel but what conspiracy is as uh... weirdly similar to the plot of this book now what you won't know is that I have read the book of course and I have dog eared many pages and but here's the thing Tom clancy ah he sees the future also that was one of his lesser novels yeah I was waiting I was god I would have given anything for that British voice over to be like, Tom Clancy and Steve Pachenic, both co-authored it. Oh, that would have been amazing. Think about this though. Like, this guy's got a lot of big breaks

and it's Pachenic and it's nature. And there's a connection to Tom Clancy. It is. And as much as his conspiracy's appear to be inspired by the works of Pachichinix. Oh boy. One time a collaborator. These two could get together and really fuck some shit up. Steve and uh. A chenek and uh uh shrimp man. Yeah man they could end up on a reared panel on project camo lot any day now. Yep. Yep. That could be a day and a half. So if I got shanked like that by a TV show, I would probably sue them.

And that's basically what Michael Shrympton tried to do. After the show aired, he filed a formal complaint with Off-Comb, the UK's communication regulatory body. He thought the program had done him dirty and portrayed him in a negative light. The BBC said that they had not, and in fact, the footage that was included was representative of what Shempton said in their interview, and even that he even claimed that he'd been misled about the nature of the program that he had agreed to participate in.

Off-com reviewed evidence, including correspondence between Shempton and the BBC, as well as full transcripts of his interviews, and ultimately rejected his complaint. Phone call he had with his mom. I got to find it and do this show on BBC. I got to find it and do it. I can't wait to do it. This is my most exciting thing. This isn't your mother.

This is Kissinger. I can't believe you had some fun again. Congratulations. So, Shroompton's just mad that he acted like an idiot. It was captured in a documentary program. And I would guess that he just didn't's just mad that he acted like an idiot. It was captured in a documentary program, and I would guess that he just didn't like the image that he saw on the mirror. Yeah.

That one, the BBC's fault. Yeah. He acted like a real dick. Yeah, you really shouldn't go on camera and be recorded through somebody else's eyes if you've never looked at yourself through somebody else's eyes. It's a dangerous proposition. True. So, he's going to be on later to talk some shit about somebody else's eyes. It's a dangerous proposition. True. So he's gonna be on later to talk some shit

about David Kelly's death. And it's actually not that interesting of an interview. There's only a couple clips that I decided to pull. They were kind of like laying out a little bit of his conspiracy, but for the most part, it's just kind of standard Alex talking shit. Yeah, you know, for a guy, see, that's the thing though, with the big swing.

You can't take, you know, for a guy, see, that's the thing though, with the big swing. You can't take, you know, you gotta take big swings, but maybe nuclear bomb at the Olympics, too big. Well, that was a big swing. That was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few,

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that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few, few, that was a few, that was a few, that was a few of low level games. Yeah. Got burned by the BBC. And then a couple of years later, you decided to go for it. Yep. Good. Good. Yeah. Blue up pretty bad. Yeah, I wouldn't do that in his face. He okeyved too close to the sun. True. So David Kelly has a lot of titles. He's a weapons inspector. You know, and what have you. But apparently now he has a new job title that Alex has given him. Interesting. An intelligence agency of a country will use its sister intelligence agency that it works with in another nation to do hits for them and that happens vice versa. That happened at Waco according to the Fort Worth star newspaper where they used MI5

controlled special air services people out there doing some of the wet work. So this is done over and over again where they use foreign troops, foreign individuals to kill their own people internally because it's very dangerous to use your own intelligence people to kill fellow intelligence people like Dr. David Kelly who was a top spy and Force head of Forten down by a weapons lab in the head British inspector. He's a top spy now. He's a top spy Yeah, where for what for the UK? I guess to who I am I six to spy for what? Spying on I mean is weapons inspecting spying? I mean, I suppose that that is that's the most open and obvious form of spying. There is excuse me if that counts as a spy, I guess, but I don't know I don't know any evidence that he was a like the spy. Yeah, you I feel like you have to be

incognito to be a spy of some sort. Yeah, there's a clandestine element to it. And I did not, I don't know, I don't know where this is coming from. You can't knock on the front door if you're a spy. You know, you can't knock on the front door and be like, Hey, I'm from the UK here to inspect your weapons as the world knows. Right. I mean, I think what Alex is trying to evoke is that David Kelly operated in some fairly official and touchy areas. Sure, sure. And that I can go along with.

But saying he's a top spy is a little bit ridiculous. I mean, well, who else would they trust to inspect nuclear weapons? They're not going to send like a regular guy. They're going to send the top spy. Oh, yeah, man. So one of the things that really was weird for me was I didn't realize that Alex was sick immediately when I'm listening to these episodes sometimes I'll listen to a couple minutes before I realize it's a repeat. Right. And so the fry or Thursday's

episode I turned on and Alex is like wow we got a got Hutton Gibson coming in. I'm like, again. Oh god damn it. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't be too surprised. No, right. Back again. Yeah. So it seems like it could have been and like, oh, this is the same episode. But it turns out that Alex has been getting a lot of heat about the Hutton Gibson issue. Interesting. Maybe not a ton of heat, but enough heat. Enough to make people secede from the union? No. But because of his, well, well, the whole cost, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh He is not any Semitic. He doesn't like Nazis. He doesn't like Zionists. He doesn't like the corrupt Catholic Church. I mean, there's not a lot of things that I get. Because he thinks they're all Jews. The winner of Jeopardy and he knows history and he's a pretty smart guy and he does think the Holocaust happened.

He just debates the numbers and says that people should be allowed to debate those numbers. And he says these interviews have been taken out of context and so we'll see what happens. I had MSNBC call me, I had a CNN call, I had a bunch of other people call and I'm not doing interviews. I'm not going to go on national TV and talk about Hutton Gibson. Alexander Emrick Jones doesn't do that to his friends. I can care less about being on MSNBC or CNN or something like that. I'm just not going to do it. I mean, I thought about going on and, you know, defending Hutton

and yet. You know what? I'm just not going to get involved in it. I'm just not going to get involved in it. Smart. Smart. Who knows? I might have a change of heart and do it. Oh, for God's sake. God, damn it. God, damn it. Yeah, strong defense, by the way, that he thinks the Holocaust happens, he just debates the numbers. And he just thinks it's okay to debate the numbers. Yeah, he just thinks it was like maybe 5,000. 5,000, 5,000, 10, whatever.

We're just debating numbers. Yeah, you gotta ask yourself sometimes, why? You know what I mean? What motivates you to do that. Let me tell you something. Yeah, one is too many. Uh-huh. Now, he doesn't care about any.

So I don't know why he's debating the numbers. Yeah, strong defense Alex could provide where he to go on these shows. Now I like the position that he has of like, I'm not gonna go on and allow myself to be used to trash a friend. Sure, you know, just from the standpoint of like how friends treat each other. Yeah.

You know, that's that's solid, you know, looking out for your people kind of thing. I suppose. Flash forward just a little bit to Charlie Sheen and Alex going on the view. Yeah. Trying to make that media circus all about himself. He's totally fine behaving like that. And that leads me to believe that these outlets aren't calling him and asking him to come on and talk about it He'd do it in a second maybe on the other hand. I'll throw this out at you

Going on TV and talking about your friend having a manic episode and yelling about tiger blood and stuff is a little bit different from going on TV and being like No, here's why it's okay to deny the Holocaust. Maybe you don't want that one on TV. Maybe, but here, yeah, I don't think that's maybe the distinction, but I think you're right, and that there's something different. There's like a flashyness and immediate circus around Charlie Sheen, whereas this has religion attached to it. It has the passion of the Christ attached to it. There's a lot of weird potholes Alex could step into.

Totally. That maybe the Charlie Sheen situation didn't have nearly as money. Yeah, I mean, let's say. It was less risk for Alex to turn on his friend. Denying the Holocaust, undeniably bad. Denying that a guy denied the Holocaust, I mean, not equally bad, but still up there.

Kind of suggests that if the latter, maybe the former also. Yeah, it is dicey or territory for Alex. So a lot of people love to talk about Alex's predictions and how great he is at predicting things. And here's one for them. House votes for ignition interlocks on every vehicle. They're out have control. Sounds interesting. Do you know what that's fancy double speak for? Well, what I told you they were going to do.

And again, I hate to say because I told you, because I told you, because I told you, but I have their official plans. New Mexico has passed the law out of the house in the Senate to make everyone blow a breath analyzer to start your car. Everyone guilty until proven innocent. Why have it just saved one life? And then they're going to say that this doesn't work because people have others blow. So oh we're going to have to retinus scan you and it'll decide of your drunk and this will be the retinus scan. Now how do I know that? Because I saw the federal plans four or five years ago, I read Houston Chronicle Articles three years ago.

They have a system, but they're already putting into businesses all over the country and the feds are using a retiniscaner that also reads microscopic movement of the eye, and it'll decide if you're on drugs or drunk or tired, and they want to put all these in the cars, and so they're going to make you use the breathalyzer, then people are going to cheat, and they're going to say, okay, you got to retinus scan to start

your car. Now that's the official plan you want to put up with it go ahead and then if you're not a good globalist they turn your car off and they're going to have infrared cameras and all the cars by 2005. Well as a as a detector if there's a child in the car when it's too hot but again the federal plan is it's really a camera. Hashtag Alex Jones is right. Yeah. Yikes.

That is a little off on some of that. That is that is a lot of work to expect a lot of car manufacturers to take on in a very short period of time. He's also doing a flagrant misrepresentation of like they don't want people to have to blow to like start their car. It's like when you have a second DUI. Yeah. Like that, it's that's part of that. Yeah. It's not it's everyone. It's not everyone. No, because you're not guilty until you prove innocent. It's a mitigation measure for people who will not not. Sure. Sure. You're,

you're talking about somebody who has, at the very least, two DUIs. So Alex, I am sure believes that everyone is going to be affected by this law. Everyone named me. Yeah, exactly. Oh god damn it, they're gonna have to put a thing in my car. I mean, if it were that what Alex is describing,

I would be against it. Wow, I mean. Everyone has to blow to start their car. I mean, I think that that's, you're making a face where you're thinking, like maybe that's okay. I'm thinking maybe Alex wouldn't be able to go to work. Maybe not, but.

At the very least, you wouldn't be able to drive home considering what we've seen on the cameras. Well, see, here's where I'm coming from. Yeah. I think that that is inappropriate for everyone. Sure. you know, just all cars, you have to do, because as we learn from Seinfeld with the Poppy seed, you know, there's all kinds of things. What if you have a screwy machine and it won't start, you're not drunk, but it thinks

you are or something, then you need to get somewhere, you get fired. Totally. Or if there's a medical emergency, you need to get some, it fired totally or if there's a medical emergency you need to get some It's just not it's not appropriate, but for people who drive drunk Perhaps yeah, it is appropriate. Yeah, because you're gonna end up killing somebody. Yeah, I mean it is It is that kind of intervention kind of stuff where it's like oh well you clearly can't stop yourself So somebody has to stop it before it can happen. Yeah.

That kind of thing. And I imagine for somebody who can't stop itself. You can tell you that your license is taken away, but you're still gonna drive. Yeah, of course. So mechanically, we must solve this somehow. Yeah, we have to do this where talking does not work. It's not like, yeah, we can't leave something to a choice

because the choice will be bad. Yeah, you no longer have choices. You have a medical condition more or less that is overriding your decision-making totally Yeah, and I imagine that for somebody who is filled with unstoppable compulsive needs Alex would take this very personally. Here's something that you're not considering what you was sick recently and he's off That's a fair point yeah that's a fair point well now he can't even perk himself up after he's been driving drunk for a while no good yeah so uh... shrimp ten comes in and uh... here is a bit of his theory about who killed david kelly uh...

essentially well i'll let him describe now the again i've got to be obviously careful on here but the indications are that the up the tasking for the assassination came from within the uk but i can't name any individual official the taskings generated in the uk when to the paris uh... was that okay in paris and on the information available to me, the operational agency for disassionation was DDSE.

Now, there are also indications, and I'm, again, obviously Alex, who appreciate I'm expressing myself with caution here, there are indications that DDSE in order to force flag the assassination, just their team they discovered, used Iraqi intelligence assets flag the assassination, just their team they discovered used Iraqi intelligence assets from the Iraqi Mukhabarat Agency that were available in Damascus after the fall of Baghdad.

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And in order to give like, you know, you don't wanna have your spies killing your own spies because they work together. Yeah, they do. If you have French people, take care of it. So they reach out to France. France is like, we're on it. But to be careful, we're gonna subcontract this out

to a group of Iraqis. Right. And so the Iraqis were the ones who did it. And now the French, I the ones who did it. And now the French, I don't know if you know this, I learned this from a very reputable source named Michael Shrimpton. The French never, you should never take on a contract

from the French intelligence because they will just kill you once it's over. So these Iraqis are dead. They are good. Yeah. The French know how to do it. Right. And which raises the question, why does anyone take a contract from a French intelligence?

And his answer is they must not know the very clear reputation that the French intelligence agencies have to the point where you know about it. Yeah, I think that maybe that Iraqi intelligence group might have been aware of that, that they're just going to die after they carry out this mission. But it's all fine because none of this is real. I'm gonna throw this out at you. Yes While I respect the idea that like oh you don't want your own agency people killing each other right Sure because they work together. There'd be a personal connection. I get it right That's why you bring in corporate to fire someone as opposed to doing it yourself You know or something like that. Yeah, but then it's like, you're in intelligence, and now you know that your boss just involved two other countries to kill your body. I feel like that makes me hate my boss more than if my

boss was like, hey, buddy, we gotta kill your body. Is it hate or is it fear tinged with respect? or is it fear tinged with respect? Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft.

Well, I can't answer that question. But I mean, he's writing a compelling Clancy novel here. Sure, sure. Sure. Oh, here's what I'm going to do. If I'm going to assassinate somebody, I'm going to try and get as many people involved as I can. Yeah, for sure.

Especially ones who I know are in the intelligence service who I'll talk to each other. Right. And have information that often finds its way down to this shrimp man over here. Now we have a situation too now where you have a lot of dangling threads. Sure. Because you have the UK people. It's a lot of dangling threads. You have the French people.

The French people have now killed the Orek people. So they're the only ones who have cut off one thread. Right. Right. But the French are still a threat. And you know, they who knew these Iraqis is now a threat. Absolutely. It's, I don't know.

I find this hard to believe. Now, okay, now, okay, but now we're talking about the, but who kills the French? You know what I'm saying? Like the French kill the Iraqis. But who kills the French for knowing that? Well, if the French need to get rid of someone, I would assume that they would call the UK. Right.

And then the UK would get someone from Brussels. I don't know. Some other country, false flag, I'm. I mean, you know, this is the problem with middlemen. Yeah. I mean, even our intelligence services aren't like they used to be. They don't even kill each other anymore. Right. It's just terrible.

It's unions. Not in my day. Back in my day. So impersonal. Anyway, Shripton. Yeah. He doesn't like Lone Gunman theories. You know, it's never that.

It's always got to be more complicated. Because a Lone Gunman story wouldn't make for a good, cliente-n-ovel. That's true. We've had a lone gunman classic example of a lone gunman assassination theory in Europe with the assassination of the Dutch politician Pimp Fortium, which is blamed on a lone gunman, an explanation which doesn't carry much weight with me since then the photographs of the assassin that I saw, there was what appeared to me to be a very thin wire leading up to an earpiece

in his right ear and normally Alex Lone government went around with that radio and earpieces, particularly high tech ones with that close. The same thing with Yishak Rubin. Yeah. I mean, Netanyahu is giving speeches about somebody ought to get rid of this guy and His his and then remain security steps back and they blow him away. I mean, well, well Well, there are certainly days that certainly respected commentators and go to Mrs. Juan and Who would say that the repeat assassination was the day we know down to a lone government?

I can totally settle this for them. Yeah, Steve Pachanik has confessed to killing Eatsok We're being on Alex's show that is true. That is true. So this case is closed What a dumb fucking world we live. It was a lone gunman who was named Steve We also arrested the pope and single handedly took down the Soviet Union So this this mystery is solved. Yeah, too good also the guy who killed Pim Fortune is, that was, they said he is a lone gunman and by the, I mean, him, the person confessed. Yeah, yeah.

I'm always weirded out by the assassinations whenever they're brought into real life because I feel like in my experience it is either a lone gunman and everybody knows about it because, you know, they lone gunman and everybody knows about it because, you know, they killed the person who could move on. Yeah, these wild, like kind of fluke situations that people are able to pull off something

that generally you just think is impossible and it turns out it's not. Or it's like a flagrant state assassination that basically they want everyone to know, you know, like the Novichok situation. There's like messages that are big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like I am telling the entire world I can just poison this motherfucker whenever I want and then he's gonna die in my prison, you know? That kind of assassination.

Yeah, that does seem to cover most of it. Yeah, I don't feel like, I feel like clandestine, like true, like oh, we made it look like a suicide shit. Almost, I mean, never happens. Well, I mean, I think all your arguing is that they're that good at it. See, that's the problem with this argument about clandestine shit.

Right, yeah. Anything could be if it's good enough. You kind of hit a dead end where absence of evidence is evidence of how good the conspiracy is. Exactly, yeah, yeah. You just can't live in that world. Right, right. You of how good the conspiracy is. Exactly. You just can't live in that world. Right.

You just can't. All right. Fine. Boo. So anyway, how would you like some third level, third hand intel from TripMap? I love it. Continuing with what we were discussing and just briefly recapping, you have a source who in intelligence talked to his other sources and

it was widely known in intelligence that that there was an order to get rid of Kelly even before he died. My source learned after the assassination that others in Whitehall were aware of the assassination in advance, yes. And that source had spoken to, obviously he was a friend of David Kelly's, knew him well, had worked with him, and clearly once his friend was found dead in a wood, made investigations, and when he made investigations, he discovered that this assassination was not about in advance. This is meaningless, as Intel. Yeah. So we have this guy michael shrimp and who i have good reason not to trust as a source

he's the only actual known figure in any of this and is the only person whose credibility is possible to assess behind him he has an alleged source who's anonymous but who knew david Kelly this person may or may not exist. Their credentials may or may not be accurately conveyed, and whatever they did or didn't tell Shrympton may be relayed correctly or may not. Behind this anonymous source, there's an unspecified number of unnamed people at White

Hall who told the anonymous source that they knew that there was a plan to take out Kelly prior to his death. These people may or may not exist, and the message that may or may not have been relayed to this anonymous source may or may not be accurate. Even before this information gets to Shrypton, it's second hand. Now Shrypton is relaying third hand information to Alex, and there's just no way to look at this as reliable. The allegation that there was foreknowledge of a plan to kill Kelly is being made by some

number of secret intelligence people at Whitehall, but Trimpton hasn't even talked to them. When the rubber meets the road, he doesn't even really know if these people exist. All he can possibly know is that this anonymous source told him they exist and said what they said. It's all sensational and attention grabbing, but it's just not something that rises to the level of being worth taking seriously. We know now that Trimpton is someone not worth giving the benefit of the doubt, but even in 2004, he's at best an unknown quantity. Accepting this narrative from him based on his untested credibility would require a staggering amount of faith,

or in Alex's case, it's what he wants to hear, so he just accepted no matter what. It's just, yes, hooray. Thank you. You're technically a barrister and you're saying what I want to hear. Now top lawyers are coming out and saying that, you know, it's just it's convenience. Yeah. Yeah. You know, this guy would really make sense wearing one of those powdered wigs in a court. That would be I. He was not in the BBC special. I will say that. I will tell you that.

He also got pissed that they called him a barrister. Of course, but then he proceeded to basically act like it and talk about his like connections and stuff. So when he complained about it, that was another thing that off--com said you don't have any right to complain about this you kind of show off yeah so we've won last clip of shrimp and where it takes off and it's just uh... Alex and shrimp is discussing who's the worst prime minister in uk history that's a good question probably Tony Blair have you ever had a prime minister this bad

well that's a that's a political question uh... he really answered probably that i can't remember when and it's a that's a political question uh... the answer is probably that i can't remember when and it's a close toss up uh... between teni blare john major and lord north who lost the american colonies but from your point of view of the probably quite good to have in downing street uh... level chamberlain i think i think that without being disrespectful to my prime minister on the air, I think it's

a close call between Tony Blair and Neville Chamberlain. You'd have to have ten different politicians and economists and military strategists sit around a table and come up with ten different answers as to whether Neville Chamberlain surrendered more of Europe than Tony than teni blare and whether teni blare surrendered more to france and jermian neville chamberlain did uh... it's a question well i think it's clearly don't what it gets what you want yeah i i i i have the

that i have to have met only blare he's not he's quite you have a personal individual he's not uh... not a monster when you meet him Well, they said that about at all Hitler too. Did they real nice? I feel like I Really feel like even the personal reports from people his best friends where we're like that dude is unhinged You know what they say about Hitler charme Smooth talker in person like you like you'll, you know, you wanna hate him, but then you talk to him and you leave like,

hey, that guy's pretty, I hate what he stands for, but man. You know what, you could get a bunch of economists and prime ministers and military men around the table and they will argue for days about whether or not Neville Chamberlain or Hitler was more charming. That's the main question that they figure out. Yeah, you know, Hitler, what he would do is he'd always start with a compliment

and that really was disarming to people. Wow. Fuck. Oh my God. So yeah, who's to say whether Tony Blair or Neville Chamberlain is, will history reveal to be a worse prime minister? I do, I do.

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that's hard for me to accept. That's an interesting toss up. Yeah. So shrimp leaves, you always get a cocktail. Shrimp and get a cocktail. All right. I don't know. But so Alex takes a number of calls uh... and uh... one call is uh... someone

from indiana who has an interesting question for alix uh... let's talk to pat indiana who's really been holding patiently pat good to hear from you that's all right uh... i just had to say that i went to meeting with my and and i went to urlum college for a meeting about what's going on in the global situation. And I asked Mike again about the Patriot Act one and two and the Victory Act one and two and I asked him to elaborate on 802 and this is your congressman?

Yeah, 10. And he said he helped write the whole Patriot Act and he couldn't elaborate on 80man and he said he helped write the whole case that and he couldn't elaborate on eight o'clock to and he said there was no patriot act number two uh... i'm not sure how much direct involvement mic pants had in drafting the patriot act but he was in the house judiciary committee at the time of its

drafting which is where that would have been yeah he would have been there further pence did say in a committee meeting about reauthorizing the Patriot Act that he'd helped draft the original. It does seem plausible that he had some hand in it, and at very least he's been a huge proponent of extending the act and keeping it in place over the years. This is just another really funny thing to think about in hindsight, about Alex's support for Trump. He was potentially rallying all of his supporters to help elect a vice president who helped

create the Patriot Act, one of the biggest pieces of evil legislation that Alex built his career out of opposing. Now that's irony. It is. That is definitely irony. And I don't think that's ever something I've heard Alex wrestle with or grapple with the idea of like, you know, because I could see a sincere actor saying like, I think that Trump is such an important political figure that I will accept the fact that he chose as a vice president, someone

who takes credit for creating the Patriot Act. Right. I could see really struggling to make that decision and showing your work and being like, I think that the benefits outweigh, you know, he's, Pence is gonna have some ideas, but he's gonna be sidelined by Trump. Trump wouldn't have let him do some Patriot Act as shit

on his watch, something, but I don't really know that I've heard that. Do you know what, here's what I'm feeling right here, is like the reverse of a mighty duck scenario, right? So we've got our opening character. They are, you know, salty through the earth kind of like hanging out with the bad news bears kind of style person, right? Then they get pulled away by this glossy.

Ooh, look at this. You tangled electoral politics. The electoral politics out of the fire of a bearer. Right, right. And then in the Disney movie, though, because of the way the resolution is set up, when they start chanting, hang Mike Pence, that's his mighty Ducks Mowarage

returning back to the fold. I mean, like, yeah. But he was not. I'm not, no, I know, but he didn't do it. Like he screwed up the Disney movie. He lost to the Russian team. He's the worst airbud. He's the worst airbud.

I don't know, I've seen a number of those. They're not great. There's that one where the dog wrestles. Oh, that's true. Russell Mania, I think was the name of it. It's not really, yeah. You know, you could get a lot of economists and military about a row to table and they'll tell you,

you never know which is the worst air fun. Did they make one where he plays baseball? Because that would be silly. They totally did. I could see a dog in the outfield, but batting. No, that'd be tough. Yeah. That'd be tough.

Dogs are made to play catch. You know, well, I mean basketball seems ridiculous, but you can hang out in Chitter. Though you get somebody he could run the bases. Run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Listen, there are not explicit rules say that dogs can't play baseball. I know this. I've been through the rule book. Right. What if you had a team? What have you had a team? All right. Eight dogs. Yeah. Show Hey, Otony. Do you think if you had a team? All right eight dogs yeah, show Heyo Tony Do you think they really stand a chance at the kid? I not the pennant no, but I think they could go 40

I think they could win 40 games. I think they're gonna win 40 games. That's a bad record 40 in a Jony's a bad dog's it's not bad. It's not bad. I don't know and stuff, Ed. I don't know what other sports, bowling, dogs can't bowl. Dogs can't but I feel like soccer is right up the dog wheelhouse. Trick shot pool. In what fashion would they perform a mass a shot? That's what I'm saying. It'd be difficult for dogs to play pool.

It would be. I saw a painting of them playing poker so I know they could do that. Sure. Sure. Well, I mean, that's like horses can count you know you just have to uh... signal them to play the right card yeah you get octopus to coach the team they're really smart about sports from what I hear sure and they can fit into real small places that's a double threat so anyway the point is that uh Alex uh

you're a fucking idiot. You elected a vice president who created the Patriot Act. Oh my God. In another great instance of him in the kids present and like recent present self totally invalidating the basic tenants of his career. It is astonishing the amount of like, it is almost brick by brick. The thing that he built, he tore down brick by brick. For money. Yeah.

Yeah. For money and actually I think probably almost as much of a motivation as acceptance. Yeah. And like being seen as somebody who's credible and like who you want to have around as opposed to somebody who's credible and like who do you want to have around? I suppose to somebody who's like, oh, fuck this guy. Yeah, he wants worship. Yeah for sure Yeah, and to feel like he's belong he belongs and is accepted and and that so I would your human desires, but right, you know

Fuck him. Yeah, so we've won last clip and it's an instance of this this thing that happens in the past that I enjoy and that is that sometimes the collars don't really respect Alex that much or they they they can kind of steamroll him a little right and so this color does that in a way that I enjoy. Yesterday on me the press Ralph Nader announced he's running for president without a party the green party refused to let him be his candidate or anyone else. And Nader demanded the immediate impeachment of Bush. He said Congressman Conjures is sponsoring a bill to impeach Bush before the election. I have a clip of Nader's demand for impeachment.

It's exactly two minutes long and I have a cute up if you want me to play it on the radio. Two minutes long. Two minutes long is the clip of him discussing in impeachment with Tim Roussett. Well, the audio is okay. I might play it, John, but really, I mean, we can get the clips ourselves. Well, it's on the transcript if you go to

Nate DePrez from the outside. Okay, go ahead and start rolling in if you want to play this. You can cut it off when you get tired of it. Okay, minute. Yeah, I will. You can make a miracle along just to be a stellar fat Republican party. Hi. You very strongly along just to be still a bad Republican party.

I you very strongly get the sense that Alex does not want to do this. Absolutely not. What? I'd play the fucking clip. That's unreal. Yeah. That's that that actually would be

that would be the one moment where I'd be like I'm not playing a two minute clip dude dude dude. It's long 15 to 30 seconds. Yeah, totally in the wheelhouse. Two minutes is too fucking long. I will say to just for the sake of, you know, being above the board and everything, he does cut it off fairly quick as the sounds terrible. But, but, you know, less for that, this collar was just like, I'm going to play it. I'm amazed. I'm amazed. Why, why, why would you call into a show to play them a clip of another show?

Because they're not doing a good enough job of corralling clips. Alex doesn't cover stuff really. You know, like there's, like you are someone who's listening and believes in the quote unquote info war. Sure. And so you see Alex kind of just like, I'm gonna talk to Sean for a while.

Take pointless calls, blah, blah, blah. You know, all this, you're like, hey, there's information that the people need to know. Let's get some substance in here. Right. And so you believe that you can bring that to the table. And so you decide to bring out your soundboard and force it on Alex.

I just, it's great. I mean, playing a clip over the phone is just, Alex would never put up with that these days. No, absolutely not. It feels like this is a very much pre-made being too big of Alex, which I enjoy. I enjoy, there's a human element to it. This is a bit garage-rocky.

Yeah, this is like, this is the behind the music. He's in his garage. He has to play two minute long clips from some asshole calls him. I feel it. Yeah. Yeah, I get you. And you know, maybe it's a part of me that has a romantic feeling about that kind of radio that, you know, it's something, even though it's Alex, it triggers something in my brain of like, yeah, this is fun. Yeah. A guy desperately trying to do a show and having just everything kind of go off course. Yeah, that is the high wire act that is entertaining. You know, that like at any moment,

this could really go off the rails. And that is, and you know, in an interesting and exciting and unexpected way That you just don't get now. Now if it's gonna go off the rails It's not even off the rails. The rails are like part of the art rails. Yeah, exactly Yeah, but I mean like but that's that's part of it is that there are the idea of The rails and the cart is barely moving now a days. Yes, what's gonna happen if something goes off like slightly, as Alex is gonna hang up on somebody and then just start screaming for a while to reset.

Exactly. And then it's just like, nah, nah, nah. And then that is seen as going off the rails. Exactly. It's actually just like, It's programmed in. It's just a part of the game, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, we come to the end of this 2004 episode and I did sincerely mean that I was gonna try and stick around in the present I know I believe you maybe on Monday Alex will have put out something where he's back in studio or you know who knows Hopefully first crossed. Yeah, hopefully he didn't get COVID for the sixth time. Oh, I phone I will see probably just combo probably or court anyway, we'll find out and we'll tune in and check with you later Okay, but tell them that one that one we cut out that one I keep We do it to its knowledge fight dot com. Yep, we're all on Twitter. We are a turn is that knowledge and score fight

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