Knowledge Fight - #811: February 24, 2004

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan continue to be stuck in the past as Alex remains out of studio.  In this installment, lessons are learned about West Virginia vaccine bills, the government of the Republic of Texas, and pop up ads.

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No sir my bright spot today is Summer Games done quick. Oh fun now. It is fun and I'll tell you something you have enjoyed every year You do and I'll tell you something different about this SGDQ. All right. We got a walk. Oh, we got a walk running What sathdress and sathdress is running at like 6 30 Eastern on Tuesday morning. Whoa and Yeah, everybody go there. We'll all watch it. What are they playing? What's the game?

I want to say maniac mansion or something. It's like a retro. He's a retro game player. He's helped me a lot. He helped me a lot when I was speed running. I remember the name from the chat when I've come and sat in with you while you were playing. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah, he's running that. I feel like it's going to be really cool. It's a maniac mansion like one of those old, I put it in my brain in the same category as like mist. I think kind of like old computer game. I think it is kind of like that, but like a retro or like almost point and click. Yeah, see that's what I was trying to come up with. Point and click. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The full motion video kind of old time. I don't know, it might be 2D, but it's something like that. Damn.

I mean, it's all heavy, yeah. But it seems difficult to do fast, but I wish sadrash the best. Sadrash. Sadrash, you can do it. Let me ask you this about the summer games, don't quick. Sure. Is it like? Doctors Without Borders is about the summer games done quick. Sure. Is it like...

Doctors Without Borders is the charity this year. Fantastic. Yes. Is it a situation though that is like the Olympics where you have the summer and winter and different games are played at each? Is there like a restriction of no, no, no, that's a summer game.

I don't think so. Okay. But they do play different games. I don't know if they specifically are like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We're not, we're not, we don't think so. Okay. But they do play different games. I don't know if they specifically are like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We're not, we're not, we don't Bob's led. Super Metroidies for the winter games. No, I think that would be, that would be more fun

as if they could, if you were going to play a sports game, you could only play the summer or winter version of that. Yeah, that should be a rule. Yeah, you can't do like, Kelly Slater's pro surfer in the winter game. No, absolutely not. No, but during the summer games, you can't do like Kelly Slater's pro surfer in the winter. No, I can't do that. No, but during the summer games, you can do Tony Hawk. You can't do it during the winter. Right. Yeah, that makes perfect. During the winter games, you can play the, uh, damn it.

What was that one? The snowboarding? I know. I'm thinking of the exact same thing you are. We did that. We did the half pipe. You scored a bunch of points. I remember Kelly Slater from the surfing real proud of you. Thank you. Who's the red hair snowboarder? The flying tomato. Yeah. Sean White. Sean White. Yes. Yep. That was him. From the time when we were kids, always distracting for me because there was also a comedian named Sean White. Yes. Here in Chicago. And I got him in the flying tomato confused. Right? They're very similar. Not similar at all.

They have several inches of difference in height. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what's your bright spot, buddy? My bright spot, Jordan is retaining your humanity through difficult times. All right. All right.

So you have an existential bright spot. Well, Alex is still out of studio. Sure. There was not a Saturday episode. Oh, and was hosting on Friday. And I'm getting to the point where I'm sincerely worried that something is wrong. I he's been going forever. There is nothing better than you finally caving to the pressure of, you know, what, maybe we'll just buckle down and we'll focus on the present day only to have the present day kick you in the teeth in the spots.

And also, I'm worried about the guy. Something might have gone wrong. If only. Maybe he was camping and he ran into a bobcat. Oh, please. Maybe you ran into a bear. It had a Barton Springs. I will forgive a lot, not all, but a lot.

If Alex comes back from his vacation with one arm, I will forgive might have gone wrong. Maybe he's actually kind of sick or something. What's 127 hours? But if he's 127 hours in it? Well, I mean, like, the last episode he did was a little piece on the video. I mean, I think that's a little bit of a problem. I think that's a little bit of a problem. I think that's a little bit of a problem. I think that's a little bit of a problem. I mean, like he, the last episode he did was a little piece on Friday.

Yeah. And then gone for this entire week. Full week. That's even longer than a lot of the time when it goes down to Cabo. Yeah, that's true. So like, you know, it's an extended vacation, if it's a vacation. Do you think there's barricades involved? You know what, I could probably solve this mystery

by like listening to one of the episodes of Owen, where he probably says where Alex is. I honestly, that never occurred to me. No. It occurred to me, but I rejected the idea immediately. Why would I want continuity outside of the show? That's absurd. No, I want none of that.

Yeah, neither do I, I don't know. No. Although he has been going around yelling about Target, so that's fun. Sure, I mean, what? They're mad. Who's mad? The conservative are mad at Target now.

Yep, because they had like pride, member Abilia and goods and what have you. It's attacking the children. Here's what I say, let them have it. Conservatives can be mad at all the brands they want. They let them have it. I don't want anything to do with it. It's, I don't know, we just gotta look at it

for what it is, it's a tantrum. They're throwing tantrums. I don't care if you're mad at a corporation. That's how we all live all the time. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I feel like it's maybe best not to play into it with them, you know, just sort of like, oh, you're mad about right now. Yeah.

Okay. You know, it seems like you were less mad with Exxon when oil spilled throughout the entire fucking ocean. Yeah. Well, they didn't have some kind of LGTGQ. They didn't support the rainbow, the rainbow oil wasn't made yet. Right. Yeah, yeah.

The right wing folks were not attaching their grievances to this. That's what we need to do. We need to cause a massive environmental collapse based on an oil spill, but we make, we make the oil rainbow collard. I think you finally look at the surface at the right angle where the light is reflected. You're right. Yeah, absolutely. That's what will bring us all together. Finally. No, I don't think so.

So, yeah, we're in the past. Today we're talking about February 24th, 2004. We're continuing our march through Valentine's month 2004 sure This this episode's got some interesting bullshit. Mm-hmm. Just mostly stories that aren't true. Okay. I like a good story time Yeah, and then I spent a little bit too much time learning about the Executive branch of the government of the Republic of Texas Sorry, wait wait The one before the before became a state. Okay, just. The one before the before it became a state. Okay, just

I just to be clear before it became a state. Right. The one before and not the one after our times coming up shortly. No, no, there's still a lot of people who are in the running for for those seats. Gotcha. So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take a little moment Jordan, say hello to some new ones. Oh, that's a great idea. So first Chris your now policy wonk We thank you to Amy DZX Clark for introducing him to the show your now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much next Dan it's Hank text me back. I texted you after you were on behind the bastards What did you do change your number text me back? I miss your friendship, and I need a defamation attorney

Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. Now before I hit this sound effect, I want to say this very clearly. Okay. I did change my phone number. I miss you too, Hank. Here's what I'm going to do. Maybe you haven't changed your number. So I will try to text the number that I still have of yours.

Or I mean, I got to be able to find an email address. You should do this. So that'll be simple. I'll reach out to you and figure it out of Mr. Two Hank. I hope you don't need a defamation lawyer because I've dropped the ball on our friendship. Otherwise, I have a couple of good recommendations. I know a couple guys.

Yeah, we do. But you're now a policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, let's get down to business. First announce the wanks. Did you send me salines when I asked for nanks? Thank you so much. Oh you. Next, let's get down to business. First announce the wankz. Did you send me salines when I asked for nankz?

Thank you so much. Oh, that's a rhyme. Yeah. No, that's a, let me try this again. That's Mulan. Oh, yeah. Let's get down to business. You've got to press.

Keep going, keep going. I can't read it. I don't know Mulan's soundtrack. Oh, I mean, well, I mean, do you want me to just sing the regular song? Nope. Oh, you're now Paul Zewan. I'm a Paul Zewan. Thank you very much. Next Christopher, I mean, well, I mean, do you want me to just sing the regular song? Nope. Oh, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. Next Christopher, I didn't do this. I'm not worried about it. Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we got a couple of technocrates in the mix Jordan. So first, uh, Rusarino and the steam.

Thank you so much, you're now technocrate. And he glee. He glee. Rouserino and the steam. Thank you so much. You're now tech tech McCratt and Higley Higley HYGGYLDY Higledy Higledy Higledy like Higledy Pigledy, right? I guess I don't know it's too many G's and Y's sounds right to me Either way, you're now tech McCratt. Thank you. I'm a policy walk You're now a technocrat. Thank you. I'm a policy wonk For start the home to your mother tell it you're brilliant someone someone Sotomize and me a book and a poop daddy shark

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. Now, Jordan. Yes. We start our adventure here on the 24th, and Alex, one thing I think I've mentioned this before, I do appreciate in the past that he will often announce his guests at the top of the show, where it's now, it's kind of, you know, catch his catch can.

Yeah, how does it turn on the show? And I'm like, oh, this person's coming up. And then sometimes I hear a name, and I'm'm like I have no fucking idea who this person is today is the latter the latter type alright folks it's Tuesday 24th of February 2004 and I'm Alex Jones your host will be live for the next three hours we've got Angel Shamaya from KeatonBarrarms.com coming on the next hour. One of their writers is also a writer for guns and ammo and other major publications. Roto Letter to the San Francisco Police Department saying, you know, you guys aren't enforcing

the law with these gay marriages. And excuse me. I mean, what would you do if gun owners didn't follow the law would you not enforce uh... your unconstitutional gun laws interest in real simple what he said i've got his letter so he got police calls and police visits and small part of the secret police atmosphere so that's coming up oh boy

okay this guy wrote letters to the texas No, San Francisco government. San Francisco government, saying like, Police. Hey, why are you letting gay people get married? If I didn't follow the law, you'd be mad at me, right? That's a compelling argument.

Yeah, you're giving permits or whatever for same-sex couples to get married. And what if I did weird shit with my guns? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's not a good idea. It'll be a little more specific about what you want to do with those guns. That's illegal. I feel like you don't understand what the end... It's like, okay, when I do something illegal with a gun,

at the end of that is something way more illegal. How would you like it if I turned over a liquor store? Yes, you know, none of our own. See, at the end of that, the gun is just an amplification device. Like, at the end of the marriage thing, they're just gone. They just go away. Yeah. You never think about them again.

A marriage is not a weapon. No. So what you'll notice in that clip is that there's this far greater emphasis on opposition to marriage equality at this point in time, because that was the battle the conservatives were trying to fight. Most of society was making progress on that front and the forces that seek to oppose the tide of equality and regress back to more restrictive times, they just couldn't handle that.

It's a very similar impetus that we see in terms of the right wing's obsessive and grotesque behavior surrounding trans people today. And I would guess that if present day Alex were back on air in 2004, he'd be yelling about gay marriage, being all about satanic pedophilia or whatever. Also in this clip we get to be introduced to a new name, Angel Shemaya. This isn't someone who's come up on our radar before so I'm going to give you a little bit of a rundown on this person. All right. Shemaya ran a popular gun rights website called Keepin Bear Arms which he would eventually go on to sell to some conservative lobbying groups.

Prior to that, though, he was a fairly big figure in the scene for folks like Alex. His site would have gun news that catered to the worldview of gun absolutist, it had like an aggregator kind of news headlines about gun stuff. In 2006, Angel was arrested, and if you only consulted the gun absolutist blogs and message boards, well, you'd come away with the impression that he'd been completely screwed The police just showed up at his house one day for no reason and found a couple handguns that he hadn't properly registered and decided to jam him up What's the big deal your tone of voice is suggesting that perhaps there's more to the story? Nah man, the police states out of control. I get well then I guess I have nothing

A story over so you must be correct. In reality, Shemaya, birth name Scott Craig McRennalds, got a visit from the police because his ex-girlfriend had called them after he threatened to kill her. When the police arrived at his home, they found 10 long guns, 15 unregistered handguns and over 17,000 rounds of ammo. Naturally, the gun weirdo community minimized his ridiculous cash of weapons and pretended that he hadn't made domestic violence threats so they could keep propping him up as a hero and raise money for his legal fees. After all, it's important to understand that if someone who happens to be a gun weirdo

gets in trouble for threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend, next thing you know, the second amendment is gone. You got to understand this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's almost like when you connect your need for a gun with your regular treatment of women, then one of them serves the, you know what I'm saying? Oh, no.

Oh, I was just making a noise. Oh, okay. It's sort of a hum. You know, I hear, okay, we can talk about and listen. Let's get off the topic of guns, right? With that politically charged all of that stuff, this guy's a hoarder. He's got that's too much ammunition.

That's too much. You don't need that much to do anything. I think for, I don't, look, I'm not the best expert on this. Sure, but I think that having a large amount of rounds of ammunition isn't that weird if you're someone who shoots recreationally fairly often. Sure. I don't think you need 25 guns and I think 17,000 rounds is more than that threshold.

That's what I was thinking. Like, you know, recreational shooting. Yeah. It's a cash. It's a hoarding and it's the sign of depression. And I feel like that's something that people are not talking about. If you've got a lot of guns, go see a therapist, you know, go see a psychiatrist. You've got too money, you've got too many bullets. It's a lot of bullets. Yeah, spend the money on talking to somebody. So this may not be the most extreme example we've encountered, but it's pretty clear that if you pay attention

That almost all of these people who are in Alex's orbit, they're abusive monsters This isn't a coincidence these people are almost always abusive monsters because their political ideology is organized around using power to abuse people Mm-hmm And so that's why you kind of see these trends Almost universally. Yeah, I mean, you say to yourself, are they taking work home or are they taking home to work? Huh? Yeah.

So anyway, Angel Shamaya is... Why do you buy the name? I don't know. Oh, okay. I don't know. It's weird. I try not to mock too much about people changing the name because like, eh, maybe you want to change your name.

Oh, I thought I thought it was like a reference to something or he was like a that it was an annum to do. It just seems just kind of like a hippie-ish new agey kind of vibe. But you know, I don't know. Fun. I mean, I, I, it's got a nice ring. It's got a nice ring to it. You know, Shemaya, I like that. I think a fair amount of folks who were who lean sort of sovereign citizenry kind of go with. Oh, they change. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Um, that makes sense. But yeah, I don't know. It's not my business.

I I say I nod, sage. Like, of course people who believe that if your name is in capital letters, the government owns you, or at least affects Emily of yourself, would change their name, I say, of course to that, Dan. Of course. So yeah, Angel Shemaya is barely on this episode. He has a bit of a cold or something, and so their interview is cut short,

and there's really nothing going on with it. So we're not actually even gonna hear any of it. All right. But Alex has a number of headlines on this episode that are all trash. They're just not real. Here in Austin, Texas, we have had Texas Independence Day marches, rallies for over 100 years, and it's a family event.

But the city of Austin doesn't want to be a part of that. It won't allow a parade. They won't provide security so you can't have a parade. The city of Austin sponsors Sinko Damiya. Over 10 years ago, I guess about 12 years ago, University of Texas Band, Texas Independence Day from the school sponsoring it, or any department sponsoring it, but they do sponsor Cinco, Damiro, and Quanzit and everything else. And so I have the Associated Press article here, Texas Independence Parade canceled because

of cost. That is, they say you can't have a parade because we don't want to pay for it. The city can't spare the police, but they can for tens of thousands of screaming people waving Mexican flags on Cinco de Mayo. City Austin cancels Texas Independence Day Parade, the sponsor Cinco de Mayo and everything else as long as not Texan. The University of Texas cancels Texas Independence Day over 10 years as it's not texton the University of Texas canceled texton dependence day over 10 years ago but band in the university department from supporting it now the city of austin is saying they can't allow the parade because they can't supply police for

it but every year for single to mile austins downtown is shut down as thousands of screaming people violently wave Mexican flags interesting i mean you know i was thinking just that I was thinking, you know, you let a university band Texas Independence Day, the next thing you know, 10 years later, you can't have a parade in one small city of in the corner of another small city. No, I don't mean small city, but relatively speaking to the entire size of Texas. Yeah. Wow, Texas is a big old. It's a big old place. A big old state. You declared independence entire size of Texas. Uh huh. Yeah. Well, Texas is a big old.

It's a big old place. Big old state. You declared independence for all of it. Maybe you don't get that tiny little dot. Hmm. So as we learned in one of our live episodes where we were celebrating Texas Independence Day, Indeed we did.

Most of the stuff Alex says about the holiday and how it's banned from being celebrated is complete bullshit. He's just using this as a prop that he's wielding to beat the audience over the head with the impression that white people are being repressed. Meanwhile, all non-white people are given free reign to do whatever they want. Whatever they want. You can just hear that dripping out of his rhetoric as he describes Cinco de Mayo parades as violent wave flag waving, like, ridiculous. Reaming people, just nonstop. Oh, they just let all these screaming

people violently wave flags. Yeah, what? Yeah, absolutely. Once again, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about here, but he's close to a general point. In 2002, the City Council of Austin passed Resolution 20021003-040, part of which had to do with which events were granted an automatic waiver of fees. Most of these events are ones that are co-sponsored with the city, and there's five of them in number. There's fiesta, the independent siya, which is not Senko Damiyo, the veterans day parade, the Juneteenth Parade, which is not Kwanza, the Martin Luther Luther King Day Parade and a commemorative event for September 11th. Those are the five that the 2002 resolution granted automatic waivers to.

Outside of these events, which are specifically co-sponsored by the city and thus have their fees waived, you can apply to have those fees that you would accrue waived as well. It requires the support of three council members, and the council needs to, quote, find that the program or project serves a public purpose. In theory, all of the other events that make Alex so mad are ones that went through those proper channels and applied for fee waivers, or may have actually accepted the burden of paying those fees themselves. The Texas Independence Aparade in Austin is run by a nonprofit called Celebrate Texas, and in the previous year they paid all the fees themselves, which totaled approximately $5,000.

This year, the fees they would need to offset were $11,800, which they said they couldn't afford. The city wasn't keen to co-sponsor the parades since there had been a ton of requests for fee waivers, and they couldn't afford to just rubber stamp all of them. One thing that I think it's important to recognize is that this isn't a super longstanding tradition. Celebrate Texas only started doing their parades in 2000 and even without the parade they still held a large celebration at the capital and fun was had by all. Very family event. Yeah. Yeah. Also, they were able to make a huge stink out of not getting their fees

waived and they were able to use the political clout that they had to get future sponsorship of their parade into an emergency agenda for the city council. Oh my God. On January 29, 2004, which was prior to the episode of Alex's show we're listening to now by about a month, the motion to authorize the waiver for celebrate Texas' parade and their fun run was approved. A month in the past. I just, you know, it is, it is like, that's what we gotta do.

If you want, if you wanna do anything in this dumb country, you have to go way the fuck overboard on any small problem to get what you want. You can't ever be like, well, we'll change this soon. You have to be like, ah, they're gonna make us wear shoes to work. Like, you have to just scream your balls off. I don't know if that works on the other side. Yeah, well, it doesn't seem to. I don't think that, I mean, I don't think that, I'm not saying that climate change, activism, has been melodramatic or over the top

in a way that is inappropriate, but there have been people who have been screaming about the dangers and the need to make changes in Southern. It doesn't seem to do anything. That seems to do much. No. So I don't think this strategy works in the reverse unfortunately. But I understand what you're saying because it, it, it, it, it, they get what they want all the time. The tantrums work for the right way. Apparently, I mean,

that's what happens when you have a lot of guns too. Uh, your tantrums are, are a lot more violent. That's, yeah, there's a, the double ed double edge. Yeah. So because they claimed that they didn't have time to make the 2004 parade happen, celebrate Texas was reimbursed, the just over $2,000 that they paid in application and permit fees, and thus were able to hold the events they had that year on the city's tab, like the thing at the Capitol. And then on February 26th, a couple days after this episode, they were listening to now, the city council passed a resolution adding the celebrate Texas parade and run to the list of city co-sponsored events, assuring that they would get an automatic waiver for the city fees every year from then on. They were added to that list of five.

Now there were six. It's the type of shit that you see in elementary school and everybody goes, why are you giving everything that fucking crying kid? Why are you giving everything they want to them? That's absurd. You're rewarding negative behavior. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I mean, yes you did. It's obvious.

Not damn it. So ultimately, this is a case where a nonprofit was used to paying the fees themselves, and then they couldn't afford the increased cost. They weren't one of the events that the city co-sponsored, so they weren't entitled to a waiver, and because of Shady planning, their years parade was canceled. In response to public backlash from folks

who definitely aren't mad about holidays celebrated by non-white people, they were able to almost immediately get reimbursed for fees paid and get their event added to a short list of city co-sponsored events. It all worked out exactly how Alex would have wanted, except that there wasn't a parade this year, which is really no one's fault, but the organizers. So he shouldn't really, you know, be complaining about. I mean, if he wants to complain about anybody, he should be complaining about celebrate Texas.

It's, I'm amazed at how furious I am about something that happened 20 years ago. This is so infuriating and it's unfairness and it's representation of everything that's wrong with life. Yeah, this is awful. Also, it's important to point out that Alex says that the city of Austin co-sponsors, the Cinco de Mayo parade in the city, which is not true. There's a nonprofit called Cinco, the Cinco de Mayo committee that sponsors

that event. Alex is making this up either out of thin air or because he thinks that fiesta to independent Sia, which is in September, is the same thing as Cinco de Mayo. Either way, this is not a mistake he's making in good faith. He's very intentionally trying to paint the picture of why degree of meant for his audience to lap up because that is a fundamental organizing principle of his ideology. White people are under attack and the government is working hard

to let non-white people get away with all sorts of lawlessness like violently waving flags. That's the image that he's selling to the audience through these narratives, but it's not true. He's just finding headlines and disreputable outlets and then making up stories about them. Yeah, anytime anybody on Infowars brings up flags and what other people do to or with them,

I am always reminded of a burning Black Lives Matter flag. So, there was like, I think an episode that we found where Alex was supportive of people being allowed to burn flags. Yeah. I mean, American flag. No, no, I mean, I, yeah. I have a vague memory of that happening and me being like, all right, Alex, cool. Yeah, fair.

I'm going to be like, I don't like it, but you're the right to do it. Yeah. Sweet. That's kind of the idea. Yeah So yeah, this is one of his varsity narratives Throughout the episode and then there's another big one another big one coming out of West Virginia my man Okay, again your calls are coming up. I'll I'll get to you here in a few minutes. I've got to talk about this West Virginia much. I've got to talk about this. West Virginia, they're about to pass the law that you got to take whatever vaccine the government says right now 35 vaccines are mandatory, that matter how much mercury is in them. So it's already mandatory.

Put near body whatever we want whenever we want. Bill forces shots on all children, Roland daily on info wars.com, homeschoolers, fight state legislation, the criminalizes parents who object.com, homeschoolers, spite state legislation that criminalizes parents who object, West Virginia homeschooler families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today, the protests, the proposed bill that would require every child in the state to have a record of compulsory immunizations.

Impulsory, no one has done this, but the District of Columbia with one shot. And this is the politicians, the policy, no one has done this, but the district of Columbia with one shot. And this is the government and they're coming out with new ones they want to make mandatory every year. This is the government being able to put in your body whatever they want. Do not take me home, mountain mama. Oh boy, West Virginia. Oh boy.

What? What? Let's try. I'll take you home. I have to go home. I'm home. I got to go home. I am home. You got to go home. This bill that Alex is covering is Senate bill 439 from West Virginia in 2004, which

wasn't a new act itself. It was just an amending of an existing statute. Some of the amendments that were made were things like updating terms and changing who was responsible for what. For instance, the original language said that the state director of health was required to give new parents information about vaccination, and this changed that to the duty of a state health officer. That seems pretty mundane in terms of updates,

but there's just a language that changes. Yeah, that's what bureaucrats are for, so I don't have to go like, oh no, let's change it. Yeah. One thing that's notable, if you look at these specific revisions that the bill was seeking to make, none of it made anything involving vaccine refusal

any more or less illegal. Mostly, the illegality comes down to people who falsify immunization records, which is already illegal in the original act. Yeah. This just changes the fine from, quote, not less than $10 and no more than 50, to quote, not less than $10 and no more than 50 to quote not less than $100

and not more than 500. The original bill was from 1931. $10 back then adjusted for inflation would be the equivalent of $124 in 2004. So this is really actually cutting people who pass off fraudulent vaccine cards. A break. $50 would be $621. I just, I just can't whatever, whatever. Fine. I'm, I'm used to that, that response. Fine. The other thing that this bill would do is add mumps, hepatitis B and chickenpox to the vaccines that were required to enter

public school. That's because these vaccines for these illnesses didn't exist when the first bill was originally passed. Okay, very old. Yeah, the hepatitis B vaccine wasn't around until the late 60s, reliable mumps of vaccination didn't come around until the early 60s, and the chickenpox vaccine wasn't approved for US use until 1995. This bill is really all just updates,

and it doesn't even relate to homeschooled children at all as this coverage is trying to make it presented. West Virginia was just saying that these vaccines were required to go to public school and if you tried to create fraudulent proof of vaccination you'd be fined which was already the case. So this bill ended up passing the Senate but it died in the House Health and Human Resources Committee and so it wasn't ever actually enacted. Bill ended up passing the Senate, but it died in the House Health and Human Resources Committee. And so it wasn't ever actually enacted.

But consider the headline of the article that Alex is reading about this from World in that Daily. Quote, Bill forces shots on all children. That is not accurate. Okay. The article says this. Quote, the legislation Senate Bill 439 stipulates, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized, close quote, would face a criminal

charge. That's complete bullshit and a bald faced lie. That part of the article, it uses these words from the bill, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized. That's the part that's from the bill. But in the bill itself, it says this, quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized and is not exempted from immunization,

from there it goes on to say it'd be a misdemeanor and you'd get a fine. But all of that language is actually from the original act from 1931, not from this new amendment. But it's still, they cut out the part where it's like, and you're not exempted. Oh, did they cut that part out or did they just read what they wanted to and stop at the very word that they needed? No, I think it implies a very conscious removal of this thing because your argument is weaker without it. Of course.

So now it is true that West Virginia only allows medical exemptions from vaccination. So it is true that I don't want to based exemptions, don't really fly in terms of getting into public schools. But that was true before this bill. This bill didn't change anything. No. It's just pretty much entirely about public schools too. It's not about all children. I mean, it's like, it's just cheating.

It's cheating. It's a bullshit argument. I get it. Whatever you think about vaccines, fine. It's a public safety. If you want to go to public, then you get the vaccines. The end. If you don't want to get the vaccines, then you don't get to go to public. then you get the vaccines. The end. If you don't want to get the vaccines,

then you don't get to go to public. I feel like it's very simple. It's a contract that you and I are making all the time every day. You don't get to whine about it. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, I guess you can whine about it, but you can't be disingenuous like this.

Yeah. Yeah. You have to operate on good faith. Yeah, you can be like, I wish I could go to public if I got these vaccinations, explain it to me. And then if you were capable of learning, then you would learn. And then you'd be vaccinated. It's very simple. Well, I think I think the issue is that like, you have an argument being made that like, I should not have to do this to go to this public school. And people's response is just like, nope.

Yeah. And then there's nowhere else to go. And so you create a lot of elaborate sort of masks that you put on arguments and stuff. So it's important to understand what the objective and action being taken here is. The guy who wrote this article at World Night Daily doesn't care about this bill.

Alex doesn't care about this bill. and the home school organizations protesting this bill don't care about it either. They aren't home school organizations, they're anti-vax groups, and they don't like that West Virginia has vaccine requirements for public schools. They know full well that this bill is nothing more than a slight updating of some terms, and has nothing to do with home school children being forcefully vaccinated, but pretending that that is the case is the only way to use this as an opportunity to push the anti-vax agenda. This world-net daily article starts, quote, West Virginia homeschooling families and others

were scheduled to stage two rallies today to protest a bill. But a little bit later, you find out that the rallies were organized by a group called West Virginians for Vaccine Exemption. The other group that's behind the rallies is a group called Human Life International, a Catholic Anti-Ambortion Organization. This is the little slide of hand that's going on here. The bill itself doesn't make choosing not to be vaccinated any more or less difficult. West Virginia required proof of vaccination to go to public school before this and this bill wouldn't change that.

It's a non-issue for home schoolers, but if it's presented as if it is, there's a better chance of using it to inflame people. If you present this as like an anti-vax issue or if you're up front that weirdly it's anti-abortion group that spearheading this outrage, Yeah, that would make people weird. You make it kind of easy for people to write you off immediately. Yeah. If you hide your real cards behind the image of homeschoolers, you give cover to what you really are up to. And you create an argument that you're not actually making the people think you're making. Right.

And so they engage with the wrong point. Right. And you can kind of get people on their back foot. Right. Well, that's why they called it Americans for prosperity, for prosperity and not all the garks for making us way more richer. Right. Well, that's why they called it Americans for prosperity and not all the garks for making us way more richer. Right. Yeah. It's a better name. Yeah. You see this a bit. Yeah. But yeah, it's it was it was it was weird to look at this and see like nothing is nothing is happening here. And they're very mad about nothing.

Yeah, yeah, it is because the strategic use of that outrage. Right. I'm sorry, I cut you off. No, no, no, no, it's just so much like, God, not today, not on this, not for this reason, just pick something else assholes. Why do we have to argue about this? This is just fine. Let it go.

Just let it go. But then you just lie about it and you get money from people. I don't understand. Yeah. And you don't allow updating of the- Yeah, just, oh, five dollars. The language.

Yeah. Mm. Oh my God. It's a, it's a, it's's a it's a mess. What are we doing? So Alex goes a little bit more into this article in the world now daily. Okay, and it's he's got some he's got some takes They're hot. Okay hot takes and then in West Virginia This is a big big deal and then we'll start going to Steve and West and Dylan and Clayton and Leslie and everybody else is patient and holding. Get to Clayton.

Bill forces shots on all children and it's a long article and the bill says, unlike 48 other states, West Virginia currently does not have a provision for religious or philosophical exemption. However, families can assert they have sufficient medical reason for not immunizing a child which works in effect like an exemption. The new bill would do away with that right. And they've got passages here from the bill. You will be arrested.

CPS will take your children. If you don't take all 35 of the mandated shots and every year they're adding new injections. Oh man. So there's two types of lies that are happening here. The first is the sort that are actually in the World Net Daily article which Alex is reading and passing along to the audience. The idea that this bill somehow eliminated parents ability to plead medical exemptions

is completely false. There was previous language that allowed students to enroll in public school if they had a quote certificate from a reputable physician showing that immunization for any or all is impossible or improper or sufficient reason why any or all immunizations should not be done. In the updated version, that language is stricken because it's redundant to the part where it says that children have to be immunized or be, quote, exempted from immunization. It was unnecessary language, and if it weren't stricken out, don't pretend that Alex wouldn't do an hour

on what the state would consider a reputable physician. That's code for a globalist vaccine doctor. Yep. The only people they would go reputable. You'd never get an exemption from those of aist vaccine doctor. Yep. The only people they were all reputable. You'd never get an exemption from those all reputable. Yeah. Anybody who gives you an exemption is automatically not reputable.

Exactly. Right. So the second type of lie is the one where Alex is just legitimately making things up. There's nothing in this bill about anybody getting arrested or CPS taking anybody's children. That's ridiculous. The only punishment that's ever mentioned is that fine, which existed before this bill

was being updated to meet inflation. Further, there are not 35 mandatory shots. There are 9. Dip Theory, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rebellha, Hepatitis, Chickenpox, Tetanus, and Whippink Off. Prior to this bill, there were 6, again, because it was written in 1931. And I believe that it's actually even less actual shots because you get like measles, mumps,

and we're going together, right? I mean, like it's not nine, but even if it were, it's not 35. Nope, nope. So anyway, Alex is just making stuff up. Here's what I feel like should be a very simple argument and it seems self-evident, but if your argument is that vaccines are killing people and we have had mandatory vaccines on the books for longer than all of us have been alive for, wouldn't that mean that we're

fine? No, because that's secretly killing everybody. But we're... It feels like vaccines are killing everybody. Mm, but we're, mm. It feels like, it feels like vaccines are killing everybody. If you constantly just skim headlines from Disreputable anti-vax news aggregators. Right, but I mean, can't you still be like, there's a lot more people than there were 100 years ago.

It would be very odd. I have no proof of that. People just tell me there are more people. I've encountered. I would appreciate that. If that was your answer, I'd be like, well, good point. Either you start or I start, but let's get going. All of your rebuttals can be dealt with your solipsism. Fair point. No one else exists, but you, huh? So Alex talks a little more about what should be done here.

Okay. About West Virginia. All right. Folks, we're in so much trouble. I mean, this country, wherever you live, you'd better call the legislature in West Virginia. And it's Senate Bill 439. And it's scheduled to pass in the next few days. It's got a bunch of co-sponsors and looks like it's gonna do it And then by the way, I have about a hundred articles all this horrible today. Wow all that horrible this horrible Today Alex has no idea if there are any co-sponsors of this bill He has no idea what the status is in the legislature

He can't even be bothered to accurately convey the fraudulent information in this world net daily article. He's just making all this up because it fits his anti-vax extremism and helps perpetuate the feeling in the audience that they're under attack because they don't want to take vaccines or be home schoolers. Also, it seems super inappropriate for Alex to be telling his audience to call the West Virginia legislature and harass them. Right. What?

No matter where you are. Doesn't he believe in states rights and states business? Yeah. Why should somebody in Texas or any other state have the ability to petition the West Virginia legislature about issues that don't involve them at all? Like, that's really weird. It makes sense to have feelings about states bills and laws, but unless you really feel like the country is one full community

as opposed to 50 completely sovereign states, it doesn't make any sense to think you have any right to get involved. I mean, you're by the by virtue of involving yourself. You're essentially saying, I am so concerned about a slippery slope of you, one state mandated these vaccines and having it turned into a wildfire of mandated vaccines everywhere that I am willing to berate you into stopping. Well, that's your that's why you're calling. Sure. You know, whatever you have to say, I guess, but I'm looking at it more from the angle of like, why you you are a citizen of the sovereign state of Texas.

Sure. Sure. You don't have any right to get involved in metal in the politics of the sovereign state of West Virginia. The winds have changed blow west, my friend, and I refuse to let them have come here. Now personally, I believe that the country is a country. Why? Why? Why?

And so for what reason? Now granted, I don't know if I would call and harass other states' legislatures, but it makes more sense for someone with the political set that you or I have to be interested in various laws in other states and be concerned about the implications of them. Right. But for Alex, it doesn't. Yeah. It really, he really should not. No, it would be, it would be like Portugal being concerned about the implications of them. Right. But for Alex, it doesn't. Yeah. He really should not...

No, it would be like Portugal being concerned about, you know, like what's going on in... I got nothing. Yeah. I was going to name another place in Europe, but why? Bailed on a country. Why? Wow. What would be the point, Spain?

Yeah. So... Well, they're very close. Speaking of Spain, what about it? We get to talking about a little country that's been used to own and that is Mexico Texas See Alex gets back to talking about Texas independence. All right folks. I live in Texas my family was involved in the war for independence against against a brutal dictator called Santa Ana, who was later overthrown by the Mexican people. Over a third of those that fought against Santa Ana, four Texas independents were Hispanic. It was a Chajano gentleman who wrote the Texas Constitution.

And was the second command of its new government. But they try to make it this racial issue and they've done a great job and it's the big white bankers. It's the government that's doing this to get us all of each other's throats. Okay. No, you are. You're the only person doing this. The only one.

So here's a little history lesson. Yeah. Texas declared independence in 1836 after a brief revolution that it is fair to say was fought by a coalition of white colonists from the United States and Tejanos. The term Tejano just means Hispanic people who live in Texas prior to Texas becoming a state, then the term is used to describe people who are descended from such families. Sure. A whole lot of the Constitution of the Republic of Texas is just taken from the US Constitution, and its primary author was a man named George Campbell Childress, who was from Tennessee and was very not, very much not somebody who would qualify

as Tejano. He went to Mexican territory, then returned to Tennessee to recruit people to fight for Texas independence. When he returned, he wrote the Constitution, and then he failed repeatedly to open law offices in Texas. Five years after writing the Texas Constitution, he took his own life by slashing his abdomen with a bowie knife. So that's a tragic end to uh... Childress, the... Yeah.

Author of the Texas Independence Constitution. Why not? What a story. In earnest, the Republic of Texas only existed for a handful of years. It was less than 10 years between the Declaration of Independence for Mexico and the absorption into the United States. So it's not like there was a really rich history here. In all likelihood, they never really would have even declared independence if the United States had supported the revolution in the first place and the alliance of U.S. colonists and the part of the Tejano population that supported them would have been happy to just

become a state in 1835. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were four presidents of Texas with Sam Houston serving two non-consecutive terms and they were all white dudes. What? Yeah. There were five vice presidents of Texas, four of whom were white dudes. Huh. Every vice president who served an actual term in office was a white dude from the United States. The interim vice president, when they declared independence, however, was a Tejano man named Lorenzo D. Zavala. Zavala was involved with the passing of the Constitution, but he didn't write it. This is who Alex is almost certainly talking about.

Yeah, it would have to be. He was also only vice president for a few months before he was replaced by the son of a plantation owner from Georgia named Miraboo Lamar, whose biggest claim to fame was how aggressively he tried to rid Texas of Native Americans. He took particular aim with the Cherokee people who used as escapegoat in his campaign to ethnically cleanse Texas. Yeah, I feel like Tejano Man being replaced by the son of a plantation owner is about as America as like that's and it's very That's very indicative of it's too on the nose. The Republic of Texas politics almost

Comically on the nose. Yeah, yeah, so this guy Lamar who was trying to rid the Texas of Sheriff people's of people's. Sure. Competition for majority. Yeah, he was vice president from 1836 to 1838. At which point he was elected president of the Republic of Texas. Great. Incidentally, Alex's old studio was on South Lamar Street in Austin, the city that Mirabau, Lamar, made the capital of

Texas in 1839. Right. So that's a fun little queen. That is. That is. I'm not a Santa Anna apologist or anything, but Alex's version of this history is complete bullshit. The movement for Texan independence did involve some Tejano individuals, but it was predominantly a project undertaken by white colonial settlers from the United States wanted to claim the territory for themselves. Every member of the first elected government of the Republic was a white man from the United States. From the president to the vice president to the secretaries in various departments to postmasters general.

Every member of the second elected government of the Republic of Texas was a white dude from the United States. There may have been some lesser positions that I can't find record of, but I was unable to find a single person who was in an executive position or in a leadership position in the congress or in the courts that was not a white man from the United States. Yeah. It is fair to say that Lorenzo D. Zavala was the interim vice president and it is possible that he would have had a larger role in the government moving forward if he hadn't died

of pneumonia later in 1836. But those are what if questions. And the fact of the universal white American man government of the Republic of Texas that it actually had, I think it speaks volumes. Also I'm about 100% sure give or take give or take probably about 100% give or take zero. Yeah. So I'm 100% sure. 100% sure Alex doesn't know Savala's name.

No. Also, he probably doesn't know Savala's name. No. Also, he probably shouldn't like Savala since one of the things he's most remembered for is being one of the most prominent masons in Mexico. Sure. Sure. Cause why not? Yeah. Why not throw that one in there?

Just for a little twist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I read a bit of Texas's constitution too. And Alex should be mad. He should be mad at it.

Oh, yeah. Well, because the right to bear arms is the 14th right. It's delineated in their constitution. Oh, that means there's 13 other ones more important. Yeah, the fuck out there's 12 more, you know, it's 12 spots lower than in the US, man. Totally. It's interesting, though, because in their constitution, their list of rights, they have the right to bear arms is the 14th right and the establishment of a well-regulated militia as the 15th. So it's actually separated in the Texan constitution, which might have something to do

with the way Alex views that. But they do have to house and feed soldiers, right? They don't have that amendment. I think it might, I'm pretty sure they do. I don't remember. They had a bunch of them. I'm just saying I would have some soldiers there if I might i think i pretty sure they do i don't remember all right i'm just saying i would have some soldiers there if i could that's what i would do man

texas independence of wild i think i think i mean the idea of like oh no no no no it's definitely an independence movement totally homegrown fully like that's that's ridiculous very much very much so then that's not say that some people who are there weren't in in support chair of in and maybe even opposed to Santa Ana in Mexico. Hey, that is entirely fair, but to pretend that it was not a thing that was spearheaded and controlled by and run almost exclusively by white settlers from the United States is ridiculous. Well, I mean, you go anywhere and you start a revolution and whoever's there, there's plenty of people who don't like that government, whatever government it is.

It's true. You can always get people for revolution. Lorenzo Desvala was one such person. He was a noted critic of Santa Ana prior to the church. Totally. The government sucks. I agree with that statement across the board. Yeah.

And, you know, it is something interesting that I think that you definitely have to look at this history through like the appropriate racial lens of it. Yeah. You know, but at the same time, I don't think that people wanting to celebrate Texas Independence Day in the present day are necessarily all motivated from a place of white...

Agree, man. Right. Or like I want to celebrate my race or something. Sure, uh, agreement. Right. Yeah. Or, or like I want to celebrate, uh, my race or something. Sure, sure. Sure. I think there's a lot of people who probably, uh, celebrate the history of the state and like, like my home state. Now Alex on the other hand, I don't give the benefit of the doubt on that. Oh, no, no, no, no, that's a white, that's a lot of racial feelings. Yeah. That's around his, yeah. That's around his engagement with the Hollywood. Tell me there's an Illinois independence day,

and I'll be like, ah, I remember Illinois, it's great state. And then it's like, I'm not going to look into the history of Illinois independence. For one simple reason, it's probably based on genocide. I mean, I don't even know if there was an Illinois to independence, I don't care, but any of them, all of them.

I don't think most states were countries for a while. Why not? Why not? And one of the things that's also fairly interesting is you look at these folks who played major roles in the government of the Republic of Texas. And you kind of assume that a lot of it is people who are like from the south who are heading

over. And that's not universal. There were a number of folks from even New England, the areas that came down and were involved in the Republic of Texas. Well, yeah, but that's part of the Westward expansion. That had no geography. There was no South versus North. When you wanted a head west, the government was like,

you take it, you get it. And that was it. Well, sure. I just, you know, I thought, I would have thought just from convenience, like people skipping over it. Oh, I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. My trot over here. It turns out, get a boat on the gulf and head to Texas. Yeah. Yeah. So look, Alex is getting mad about nothing. All of these stories that he's covering on this episode are non stories didn't happen or or happen or are completely different than what he's talking about. Yeah, he's just getting himself worked up. I mean, look at the news. I just covered Arnold Fennanger wants to be president.

He wants you to get rid of the laws so he can do it. We told you that. Green Span says, don't you criticize the loss of jobs. Chipping jobs overseas is good for the economy. Bush wants to change it to where working at McDonald's is manufacturing. So he can in the economic index, call that manufacturing.

That's an official thing from his, his economic council. City of Austin says after 100 plus years, no more Texas Independence Day, they will not allow or issue a permit for that, but they will for Sinco Damiyo. They're gonna pass a bill and was for a genuinen that you will take every shot they say, or you will have your children taken from you. That's a good one. Pass the laws pass the house in in in in in Mexico where everyone will have to blow into the breath of wiser every time you start your

car. Again, we're all criminals. Yikes, none of these stories are real. It's all meaningless bullshit Alex is obsessing over specifically to make himself mad so he can toy with the feelings and emotions of the audience. We're all becoming criminals and slaves apparently because of this litany of nonsense headlines completely disconnected from reality. Alex is working backwards because the conclusion he has in mind is already established and it's his job to find material that he can use to prop up that conclusion. The end goal is the conclusion that we're all becoming criminals by the state, police, state, blah, blah, blah. So in order to push that forward, push towards that, the headlines and how they're discussed must serve that purpose. He can't cover reality in real-world terms, which isn't to say that he would want to anyway,

but he literally can't without his messaging becoming completely incoherent. Let's take this Texas Independence Day parade story as a great example. The city of Austin didn't say that they couldn't have a parade. It was just an issue where the fees weren't automatically waived and the non-profit who runs the parade couldn't afford to cover that bill, so the parade was canceled. If Alex covered this story in line with reality, there's a problem that exists, which is that this bill needs to be paid. He loves Texas Independence Day and he wants that parade so he could possibly pay that bill

himself. But at this point in his career, he may not be able to throw around that kind of cash, so let's go the other way with it. He has a big audience, and the challenge of raising like $11,000 for this very important event would be super easy. If he wanted to solve the problem he claims to be so upset about, it would be easy. But he doesn't do this because the parade not existing isn't really the problem. That's the mask that he has put on the problem. The real thing Alex is complaining about is that he feels like white people are treated mainly by the city government, but Hispanic community members aren't. That's the real story that he's covering.

A shit about the parade is just window dressing. That's why he can't even mention the parade being cancelled without saying that the city sponsors the Cinco de Mayo Parade, which isn't even true. It's because he needs both of these elements to be present for the story that he wants to tell, which is about a white victimhood narrative. That's why he can't just cover the real details of this story, and why he has no interest in using his platform to propose a productive solution. Paying for the fees of this group can have their parade solves the problem of the parade

being cancelled, but it doesn't solve the actual problem that Alex is talking about, which is that his white feelings are hurt. Anyway, a lot of Alex's coverage works this way. solve the actual problem that Alex is talking about, which is that his white feelings are hurt. Anyway, a lot of Alex's coverage works this way. If you pay attention, you'll often notice that the thing he's pretending to talk about isn't really what he's interested in, but that there's something behind the pretense

that is what he's actually talking about. And I think it's really key to, you know. 100% and it's even more indicative of how that actually functions in real life, which is to say, because the problem is not the problem that they're arguing about, even if you give them what it is that they want, you're not going to, you think they want based on, you're not going to change, You're not going to change anything. And it's only going to happen forever because if you actually look at somebody in the eye

and say, I want you to give preferential treatment to white people all the time, they will just say, no, right. But instead, if you go, well, I want you to give white people preferential treatment this time, they'll also go, no. Instead, you go, if you give anybody else treatment that's better than mine, I'll kill everybody. You know, like it's insane.

It's absolutely insane. And because they keep getting what they want, they will never stop doing it. They'll never stop doing it. Sure. Why would you? Well, yeah, I mean, because society can't really do this forever. I mean, wearing down people a little bit, you know. I mean, that's a good reason not to. It's on, to a certain point though, we have to accept that it's on us for letting them do this shit forever. And not just getting down to the bottom of it and saying, all you want is preferential treatment

for white people all the time. No. I don't, look, for white people all the time. No. I don't, I, look, here's, here's where I'm at. Yeah. I agree with your premise. And as much as I think that it is, everyone else's fault for putting up with this shit. But I don't know how to not.

I don't know what the alternative is. You know what I mean? I don't know what behaviors would need to be taken to not put up with this. I mean, honestly, I think understanding it better helps because I think a lot of people don't even, like what you're saying about like, in this case, giving the people like Alex what they want

according to what you would assume they want, like which is what they're saying. Yeah, yeah. That isn't going to change their behavior at all. No. But I think a lot of people who don't see the second layer underneath what Alex is talking about would assume that this is what you want, we're solving the problem. Well, you don't want to just assume that that person is coming to you from an extremely racist place. Right, or a dishonest manipulative place. And so I don't think that you would be in any wrong

to engage with them like that. However, if people had a greater understanding of like what's going on under the surface, what is actually being demanded behind these demands? Right. Then maybe they could be in a better position to engage with it as it is. Well, I mean, It's kind of rhetoric and such.

And it is, if we're going to call it a tantrum, then let's deal with it like a tantrum and just fucking weather it. Wow. They're going to make a big, like a stirrode to some time out. If you're in fuck, if you're fucking target and they're mad at you about something, just go fine, and then wait it out. And they'll be mad at something else next week. True. You can't give them anything. Yeah, they just have to keep trying and failing it until they give

up. Can't empower things with things like this with no, you're just giving them the thing that they they, you know, you're rewarding them positively and that's going to continue the behavior. And I think that that's probably a part of why it's so frustrating for you hearing that story is that like the council, the city council of Austin having like this emergency session, inserting that into the agenda is the, you know, giving deference to a tantrum. Totally.

And yeah, you're throwing garbage under the bed trying to keep the monster from eating you. And it's like, why are you, what are you doing? Wait a second. That's a good idea. I never thought of that. Let's keep throwing more garbage under this monster. Yeah.

It can't possibly ever go wrong. No. So Alex gets some callers. He takes some calls. Sure. And this guy confused me a little bit. Uh-huh. I don't, I don't, I'm not a hundred percent sure if I'm even like in the same reality. I've got a book about if the Rose of Outknit and my friends, they would you read that for you know 1933? You know, if people are so dumb down by by the way they don't care by the way every time I

tune into a neocomon now they're talking about how great Roosevelt was oh yeah you a new kind of great of hearing people talk about how great Roosevelt was from what from what I'm getting out of this book he was basically the start of all this well the bankers the ocean government beyond uh... unbelievable what he did i mean he ran his platform trying to get elected on over was spending

way too much money the first thing he does he gets in the office and he started you know what fifty different uh... organizations for this organization for that basically just taking control the federal government just to control our whole nation ever since it's unbelievable. And that's fine. He's not even understanding. They don't even care.

They only want to do is watch these ignorant stupid reality TV crap and so the reason I'm confused. What exactly is it complaining about? I'm not sure. But leave that be. Sure. I'm confused because this guy's reading a book that's clearly about FDR.

Yes, it has to be. And I think that the Neocons are into Teddy Roosevelt. I, that's what I assumed. Yeah. Because that's what, what would make sense for them? I can't, I mean, look, I, I, I, it's so non-specific that it's very difficult to like check. Right. I don't believe that the people that Alex routinely labels and

singles out as the Neocon folks have any love for FDR. I generally remember them appreciating the rough writers more than the WPA. Yes, put it that way. Yeah, that was really confusing. I don't, I, I, man, I just, I just, I love the removal of context. Like, oh, FDR gets into office and the first thing he does is start making all these organizations to get people back to work because there was something going on. What was it? Is it depression?

It's a great, oh, it's got the great in front of it. Shit. Maybe there was a reason. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. That wasn't in the book though. No, it doesn't seem like it. So this book, The Rose of Out myth, was written by a man named John T Flynn. Flynn was a weird dude. He was a big time anti interventionist going so far as to being like a major figure in the early like creation of the America First Committee, which was organized primarily to keep the US out of World War II. That group had some serious problems with anti-Semites and Nazi sympathizers and its ranks.

What? But I don't know any reason to think that Flynn was one such person. He seemed to be primarily motivated by the opposition to US intervention in all foreign wars. Wow. Wow. However, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Flynn entirely abandoned his beliefs.

Hell yeah. It fully supported the war effort. Don't blow up my fucking place man. Yeah. And it's okay. It's somewhat ironic too, because his later career largely revolved around disseminating half-cooked conspiracy theories about Pearl Harbor. And like Roosevelt knew it was going to happen. Yeah. That like Rose of Al-Dnew is gonna happen.

Yeah, that's one of the, that's like that 9-11 moment. You know, that happened for some people where it's just like 9-11 happen. Like, I mean, Dennis Miller became a completely different person. True. You know, he was a thing and then 9-11 happened and then God knows, you know?

Yeah, I don't know enough about this Flynn guy and I'm just making this up. So take it with all of the salt in the world. Okay. But the vibe that I get from this kind of behavior is like, okay, so you have this anti-interventionist position and this sincere politics. Then Pearl Harbor happens,

and it's a traumatizing event for the entire country. Totally. It is huge. And then you're like, all right, well, we got to go to war. I mean, you kind of got it. So you go back on your own positions and your own beliefs, right? But then you're like, I went against my own beliefs. It does have that feel to it.

And then so you come up with conspiracy theories in order to deflect from the fact that you went against your own beliefs due to the rising tide of public opinion after this giant traumatic event. It would be like someone who was really against war 9-11 happens, then they support the invasion of Iraq and then come up with conspiracy theories to explain why they were tricked into sport or something. Right, right, right. Or something. It has that feeling. And I don't know if Flynn is that, like I said, I'm making this up. No, I understand what you're saying. That's a very consistent kind of trait for a lot of people is that once you experience

that cognitive dissonance that overwhelms you, you kind of have to spend the rest of your life dealing with cognitive dissonance. It emotionally fits. Yeah. So I told you we weren't going to hear anything from Angel Shamaya. Shamaya? And that's true.

OK. Let's go to Angel Shamaya. And Angel, we're good to have you on the broadcast with us. Do we have Angel there, guys? Or I hear some noise in the background perhaps he's taking another call or had a phone problem okay we'll try to get him back on then please thanks so yeah he's he's not there so we're not gonna hear anything from angels to maybe on another call they do end up getting getting a hold of

him okay and he comes on but he's not feeling well So he has to cut the interview short. Great. Okay. Yeah, not a whole not a whole lot to dig out of that one. So we go to get some calls though and We get back to this West Virginia story. Okay Big big stuff Reason why I called is I wanted to make a sure comment on West Virginia and what's going on there Somebody is Do they come somebody? Yes. When they come, poke my children with our two and four right now. My daughters four, my sons two. When they come to poke my children, because I know the agenda always goes on. Regardless if it starts in West Virginia or if it starts in any other state, it's going to be pushed. When they come,

what if it starts in tandem? I will not let them guarantee you I will lay down my life before they poke my children or before they draft my children or before they draft some of my family. I guarantee you I will not let them. And if they try, just let them try. Number two. Well, for those that don't know that just joined us, they're about to pass a bill that your child will have to take 35 vaccines containing mercury

They admit it's killing and maiming and metotal autism massive brain problems Mainstream news admitting the troops are dead and dying from the vaccines. They say nationwide is the feds are pushing this A bunch of states are about to try to make it the law. West Virginia is about to pass the bill SB439 to make you take the shots now that's not Freedom people go ahead go ahead Just whipping people up into a frenzy. Yeah, you know, I I I'm gonna say this bullshit now you respond and anger talk about how you Kill people who are coming to poke your kids. If you're the type of person who is often finding fictional scenarios wherein you would be

willing to kill or lay down your life in protection of the others, I have great news for you. Probably not going to happen. Probably. Probably. Probably not going to happen. Yeah, but it's fun. It's fun to talk about on a radio show. Is it fun?

I guess. It seems to happen a lot. I've come and poked my kids off kill them. It happens a lot on how to show so it must be fun. It's got to be something. There are a few other explanations. There must be something satisfying about it. Yeah, but Alex is just, you know, like lying about this story.

And I got to thinking about like, it must be freeing in some way. It's like, he's using a world net daily article as a source. Sure. So who cares if you lie about it? Yeah, you know. What are they gonna be mad? Right. Right.

They're making shit up. Yeah, they're absolutely lying. You're involved in the griftest fear now. The stakes are so weird. Because here was the thought that I just, I'm shocked, I don't think I've had before. Okay. But it's like, okay, somebody's gonna come up

with an episode and I'm, yeah, I'm sure. But maybe I've thought about it and forgot. Uh-huh. So like, you use an outlet like World Night Daily. And you can be forgiven for using that once or twice. And then like the story that is on there is total shit. Sure. And you're like, you know what? Maybe they're not a good outlet. Maybe it's a bad move.

Alex consistently uses these outlets that are constantly wrong. And the only explanation for that is that he likes stuff that's constantly wrong. There's no stakes. You lie about this shit. They're lying too. Yeah. It's all just, there's no concern for truth preservation. Right. It's a, it's a safe pond. Yeah. Like when you're, once you're in the shit pond, everything shit, it's already shit. There's no chlorine in the pond. Yeah. It's all garbage. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It's, it's all just another drop in the bucket of shit, you know? Yeah. It's? Yeah, it's a half-formed thought that I have but yeah, it is it is The stakes are lower. It is it is a bit like once someone pisses in the pool. It's in there

It's just in there and you can just do it too. Yeah Why stop now right? Yeah It is very much a one is all scenario p anyway uh... a caller has a an idea here that i think is dangerous so what's in the uh... the first of all i've got all your tape that i think i got a picture seven of them and

that's too many divide them up and put them on my public access channel i really appreciate that okay uh... and you know it got me good i think that uh Okay, and you know, I think that people are really intrigued about it. But now, listen, I had a great idea for a website, sort of like that.com is taken by the looks like a small potato guy and it's ready to expire in April but parinthed.net is still available and if we put up all of these new world cronies information, anybody anywhere that lives close by, it's to go close to that. You know what I mean? parinthed.com com or dot net that's just an idea you know i i try to find a lot of information on a lot of

people it's because i like to know where they are i'd say what paul stender will talk more about it so this caller seems to want to start a tar and feather doxing website a weird pre-doxing world yeah you know it was before we had d o x x i mean he he wants to create a database of like home addresses of people. He feels our new world order.

What we should do is have a public kill list. What we need. Well, no, people can go over and talk to them if you know what I mean. Yes, exactly. You know what I mean? That's why we named our website TAR and Feather. Right.

So people could go talk to them. Just go talk to them. We are deliberately evoking what would happen to tax collectors and government officials. It's whatever. Yeah. I don't know. If I were Alex, I probably would probably try and stem

this kind of conversation. I feel like it's irresponsible, dangerous. The what people would do with that information, it in Alex's vigilante asks, right, fantasizing followers. I think I think you might end up with an increase in feather sales. Yeah. Yeah. So there would be some besen if it's economically sure. There'd be trickle down from the tar and feather markets. Right. Right. Right.

But yeah, Alex has one problem with this site, and it's not what you think. And let's go ahead. Feathers, two-solve. Go back to the caller that we were just talking to. Paul in New York, Paul, you were making some points. Yeah, well, you know, I just thought that first of all, that tar and feather website would be a great way.

Well, I mean, yeah, it's good to have websites that expose corrupt politicians and corrupt government of pimps and menions. The problem is there's hundreds of thousands of high-level bureaucrats, millions total, hundreds of state and county and city agencies in every state if not thousands and I mean it would be a cyclopetic what we need is lots of regional websites That's true. I mean we could have one major website you could pick your region Indie media Austin media list in the woods in the media dot org or in the media dot you know i got a new year right you know like we're we're

we're all these people you know like david rock so he was in new york but you know you know i heard he but where what's his address everybody put on a lot of information on information on point dexter and that was great i mean you know you got your real views but I know it's a lot of work. And I tell you, I can go on the work with somebody on a project like that. Um, yeah, but you would. Yeah, where's that tape with a Rockefeller? I am fairly certain. I got eyes on them. A fairly certain two things just happened. Alex pointed out that the website he was trying to create already exists. It was called Facebook. No, because Facebook doesn't have a database of

people's addresses who you think are globalist. No, but the point being is that there's hundreds of thousands, there's millions of people. Right. There's no way to catalog all of them. Right. Without ultimately getting... Unless you have a drop down menu. Right.

Well, it's your sub-pages on a website. What are we doing? Oh my God. Go to your region and find the globalist nearest you. Yeah, and go talk to him, you know what I'm saying? It's like a Google Maps for talking to people. Talk to people. County officials apparently qualify. Search near you.

I mean, look, this is a bad idea. It's a bad idea. Pretty dangerous. Yeah, I don't think we. It's a bad idea. Pretty dangerous. Yeah, I don't think we should put our state cop trollers at risk. These people want to. There's one I have a top. Oh, boy. So we have one last clip here.

I mean, like most of the rest of the episode is Alex taking calls for people who are zeroes and just trying to hit these main stories. I've noticed, I think I've brought this up sort of that, like the template of an Alex episode in this period of time, is it'll have these headlines of sensational nonsense stories. They'll lie about them very briefly and then go to the calls hoping to get callers to say angry things about the stories that he's covering. Maybe there'll be a guest, maybe his water sponsor will show up.

And then at the end, he'll promise to do a news blitz and get into these stories and then he'll just read the headlines over again. Sure. And then call it good. So he's got segments kind of like a show that would be produced. Yeah, generally speaking, this is the path that a lot of these episodes go. Sure. Sensationalized headlines in order to insight callers, talk to the callers, hoping that they feed the loop, feedback loop, and then pretend you don't have time to get into any more depth of these things. Too busy. Right. That's kind of the way things go. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and continues a very sad picture uh... yes this is the bar uh... mark welcome

uh... i got a question for you i and your website on a numerous times of the year using a print amount of theater and uh... i guess is life later week before uh... he came home and his computer was going haywire. And the

only thing there was several blank screens in front of his, on his computer and one of my deposit said that the police are looking at their computer. Okay. Well, you had any other problems with that or? Yeah, I get emails every day because the software sellers Sell software and say your computers wide open the police could look at it. Why are software? That's the sales pop-up window if you go to any of the major websites Amazon, drugs, anything they have an advertiser that has a pop-up that pops up and fills your screen with pop-ups and it says the police are watching you your computers light open by our software. Okay, so yeah that's what I'm talking about. And the marketing emails every day asking me oh my god the police are watching.

So, you know, a rare positive thing to say about Alex, he resisted the opportunity to tell this caller there was something to be afraid of. Yeah. This is just a pop-up ad. It is nice. Your friend's computer, you watched my show on it that didn't make the government end up like cracking into his computer. Yeah, it's just a bad pop-up.

That's nice. Yeah. Because he could have really messed with this guy. Now, he almost got to a good tongue twister. Uh, software sellers sell software, software, software, where? Mmm. Ah, yeah.

Yeah. I don't think Alex could say that 10 times. I don't think so. Nor could you. I doubt I could. Um, the second thing that jumps out to me about that is Alex saying that he gets this question like yeah every day and a million even every day probably an exaggeration. But I do believe

that he probably gets it quite a bit. And that is because the mentality that Alex perpetuates the coverage, the editorial positions of his show would lead somebody who doesn't know that much about computers. Maybe isn't that tech savvy, they would see that and be like, oh my God. Yeah. The government's trying to get me because I access this forbidden information that Alex is totally. And so obviously that makes sense that these people would think of.

Oh, absolutely. Alex is fostering that kind of engagement with the world in his audience. And think about how many other places this could like intersect. If they get pulled over just because of like a tail light being out or something. Yeah. How much would that like be? Every, every interaction in the world that Alex creates for you is heightened beyond, you know, like anything, like just the idea of getting a pop-up. Like the scariest to pop-up was back then for me is like, this pop-up is porn, you know, and that would happen. Well, it's scariest for me would be like, this is gonna make my computer crash or free.

Sure, sure, yeah, or all the tool bars and the Yahoo and all that stuff and you'd go to your grandparents house And you'd see a mess and they're just trying to play fucking solitary or whatever right the idea that your grandparents would be like Is the government trying to fucking kill me is this pop-up legit? Yeah, like that's that's scary It is that's a real scare. Yeah, that's brutal. Well, and it is based on a number of the stories and the prevailing ideas that Alex has, you could be forgiven for getting that in your head. Especially when... You're being targeted for being an info warrior.

For sure. Oh, and especially when computer, that guy is going to his friend's computer. You know, like it can't be, it can't be understated that in 2004, computer literacy was not total. No. Like there was a vast majority of the population

that would see a net scape navigator browser and shit their pants, you know, like it was out of control. Yeah. Yeah. That's bummer, but tip of the old cap to Alex for it was out of control. Yeah. Yeah. That's bummer, but tip of the old cap to Alex for not exploiting that guy. Don't panic.

Further, not exploiting the first. Yeah, I'm gonna say, it's his fault the email came in the first place. So let's not forget that. True. Yeah. So we come to the end of our excursion. Hopefully Alex is back in studio. We're recording this on Sunday, maybe Sunday night, maybe Monday. Who knows?

Because I will get back to the present once I'm allowed. It's gonna happen. It won't say it's not a one-troyer episode. When you make a promise, you do it. But this was interesting. It's fun to learn a little bit about Texas independence. Yeah West Virginia vaccine. I appreciate it. It failed. I appreciate learning about Texas independence. That's one of the things in American history that I don't know too much about. Oh, there's so much more to it too. The whole Santa Ana thing, like I know, I know plenty of the ups and downs of Santa Ana's career. But not enough enough.

Well, you know, if he's not back in studio, maybe he'll complain more about it on the next episode and we can learn more. Could be. So, we'll be back Jordan, but we, uh, till then, uh, we have a website. And do you be doing stylishfights.com? We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter, is that an allergenic or fight? Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, I, bip, bip, bip, stalling, cuz my mouth