Knowledge Fight - #819: February 25-27, 2004

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to take in the first guest appearance of Colonel Donn De Grand Pre.  Bad news about him.  Also, Alex finally gets to see The Passion of the Christ.

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But as people may recall, the winner, the unofficial winner, because there wasn't really a contest going on per se, but the best, most consistent ice cream brand that you can get in these stores and everything, was Cool House, H-A-U-S. I found pretty much everything except for their mint chip Fantastic. They screwed up a mint chip. Can you it was a little toothpaste? Oh, you can't screw up a mint chip. I might be I'm so sorry All their other stuff was great the horchata flavors fantastic the churros great wow But they have a new animal-free thing,

ice cream sandwich. Uh-huh. It's a cookie dough, chocolate chip cookie dough. Okay. And like, it's nuts. Like, thinking about this, there's no animal product in it at all. No animal product in a chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream sandwich. Yeah, and what's interesting about that is you wouldn't think that it would be good.

Yeah, we've come so far from the days of when I was younger where like all these things that were like vegan or all this like They'd just be no good. You could imagine dairy that had no Animal product in it. Right, right, because it would taste terrible and it did. I'm actually looking at this now and I'm realizing that maybe there is animal product in the cookies. I was gonna say there's no way that there is not. No, no, it's this animal-free ice cream sandwich. All right. But then it also just says animal-free dairy.

What is it? Oh, now I'm confused. Okay, welcome to our world of creamy, dreamy creamy, and indulgent animal-free ice cream that will guarantee to be unlike it It doesn't say whether or not the cookies have a no there's totally all the box It says lactose-free animal-free earth-friendly all right, wow It would I'm telling you there's of course get away with there are horse parts in there

You couldn't get away with that if it was like all right We got dairy free ice cream but but the patties are beef. Yeah, exactly. We got two beef patties and dairy free ice cream. You're confusing me anyway. Cool house, fantastic. I had a box of three of them and they're great. Nice.

What's your bright spot? My bright spot is a new album, waiting for me. I have not listened to it yet, but I am very excited. Oh, is it Carly Ray Jepson's new album that's coming out? Seagarros. Oh, okay. Seagarros, add up. I believe his name.

Addaboy is unfortunately what you are going to call it forever. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited to listen to it. I didn't know if we were gonna get another actual Seagarros album. I feel like we got a new one like six weeks ago. That was the remastering of Odin's Raven Magic, which was a weird opera night behavior.

I don't worry about that. I just must have like a vague memory of you bringing it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, no, I was there. Oh, that's what you went to a show. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So these are all the things that I'm complaining.

These are all the things. But yeah, so new album, their drummer is gone because he was a incredibly accused of sexual assault. Okay. And so he's gone. So I kind of didn't know if the C. Garose band actually was going to you know, they all make music still, right? But they'd made another album together, and I'm interested to hear what it sounds like. You know, drummer? I don't know. Oh boy.

I don't even know if they've... I mean, you know, it is like now, if you're a band with only three members and none of them are drummer, you'll just hire drummers to play. True. True. But as I recall, Sugarose is all about the drums. No. I'm just making this up. I have no idea.

No, I mean the drums are really propulsive force for, especially untitled. That is a drum heavy album. Okay. Drum drum heavy album. Tuck is not so drum heavy. Okay. A Gideous Virgin. Definitely not that drum heavy. Sure. Although there are a couple of huge drum... Oh man, I love Cigarose so much.

I feel the same way about Carly Rae Jepson and her new album is coming out. Infectly. It's weak. So get ready for that next week as the bright spot. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're gonna be talking about the past. Yeah.

I took a jump to the past because I needed a break. And so I've teased what's gonna be happening on this episode. And I think people will remember, but who knows if Jordan does. um... and so uh... i've teased what uh... is gonna be happening on this episode and uh... i think people will remember but who knows if jordan does but before we find out let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks that's a great idea

okay so first jay and i will be happy anniversary sorry we're too much late thank you so much you're now policy won i'm a policy won thank you very much thank you next dance jump for thank you so much you're now policy won i'm'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Dan's jump fart. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, garbage goblin raccoon queen, she dog of anarchy Natalie. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Kevin, it's Andrew. As of June 2nd, you still haven't told me about your experience in occupied Texas also Dan and Jordan is starfleet the globalists and Tara prime The info warriors. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

Thank you very much. Yes. Yes next amber. I'm sorry I peed on the floor, but I've got to stop doing violence to pillows. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I upset about that? I think that one's about a cat. I hope so. Yeah, the... That seems like things that cats would do. Yeah, they're doing violence to pillows. I don't know.

Yeah. Don't ask me. Okay. I won't. Okay. We got a Techman Crack in the mix though, Jordan. So thank you so much to Ashton and Hawaii. You are now a Techman Crack.

Aloha, Mahalo. I'm a policy wonk. For starters, the honky man that tell you earlier. Someone, someone sat on my, Mahalo. I'm a policy walk. For start, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, satamite, sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little, teeny baby.

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you. Thank you very much. Jordan, do you know how to say Merry Christmas in Hawaiian? Oh no. There's a song that I could help you remind you. Boy, I don't know why the joke song that I came up in my head

was like, Deutschland Uberalus. I don't know why that happened. Mele Kaleiki Maka. Ah yes, that's the thing to say. Mele Kaleiki Maka. Ah, yes, that's the thing to say. Kaleiki Maka is who Do you know what their state fish is? Large fish. No, salmon. Humohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohumohum Because you you practice saying it a bunch when you're young like a waga dooku I was about to bring up a waga. Oh fun diphtong You know those two vowels next to each other indeed fun. Mm-hmm. I don't think that's what I don't think I'm using that word correctly But it's fun word

Anyway, we're in the past and here's not a context drop from today's show But for the next 10 minutes or so, I want to talk to Kevin Smith about pre-shake coming on the show. What? Snootchy Bootchies. What? That's right. Oh my God.

Kevin Smith from the viewers' universe. What is happening? What year were we? It's a different Kevin Smith. 2004, right? Yeah. Okay. No, it's an employee that he has named Kevin Smith.

Oh man, because if it was him This would have been right after dogma, right? Maybe I think this would have been right around that time That would have been a great time for him to come on info wars. I feel like it was definitely before he started smoking weed all the time Yes, uh, really true. Let me see. Let me see what your dogma hit those theaters Dogma was 1999 holy. Dogma was 1999. Holy shit, dogma was 1999. Yeah. How old are we?

We're pretty old. Are we dead? Are we dead? We're pretty old. Have we died? What just happened here? Yeah, I feel like this definitely makes sense. That was a pre-9-11 film.

Yeah, that was definitely a pre-9-11 film. In retrospect, yes, 100%. Let me see where Kevin Smith, the artist, was at this point in time. So before the weed, before the smart cast, before, okay, 2004, Jersey Girl came on 2004. Jersey Girl. Oh boy.

Yeah. So he could have gone on a promotional tour for Info Wars for Jersey girls Him and Ben Affleck show up. I can see it James Island Bob strike back also it come out since dogma so gotcha you were way off way off way off Anyway, it's not Kevin Smith. Okay, and we're not gonna listen to the employee Kevin Smith at all Alright boring us out. Yeah, but it's fun. It is fun. I worked at the movie theater with a guy named Kevin Smith Watson. We you know made all the same jokes fun. It's fun to do. Yep, so here is the beginning of the show here We're starting we're doing February 25th through 27th. Okay, and so we're starting here on the 25th I'm going to see the passion today and tomorrow We're starting here on the 25th. Hello ladies and gentlemen.

I'm going to see the passion today. And tomorrow I will have a review for you. I've already had a review from several people that have seen it, including Mel Gibson's father here on the show. But I'll actually get a chance to see it. And I'm really looking forward to it. I hope you all go out and watch it as well. So yeah, he's going to go see the passion.

It's coming out. It's in theaters. I appreciate this saga in Info Wars time. I believe should be called the passion of the passion of the Christ. Yes. Yes. You know, like it is, it is a, it is a nonstop struggle

for this movie to get through the day. The Hutton of the, of the Info Wars. Yes. It's something. Hutton just keeps of the Info Wars. Something, yeah. Hutton just keeps coming up. Yep, yep. So yeah, as we all know, my favorite genre of, you know, Info Wars stuff is Alex doing movie reviews. Amazing.

This is not one of them. Because he hasn't seen it yet, right? But we are covering the day after. Oh, and so I'm just giving you a heads up. It's not going to be like his movie reviews. What? He just says it's great. Any cried. That's it. That's basically it.

Yeah. That means it wasn't that good. And there wasn't any starships or explosions. And he didn't cry, but he did get not chose. Yeah. So Alex does have a guest, although it is not Kevin Smith. OK, you're not going to miss this interview in the second hour. I really appreciate Don coming on the show. Highly decorated Korean War veteran, the shot twice in Korea.

You know, O.S.S. even before that, right out of high school during World War II, right after World War II, and a long military career career after that and an expert on the New World Order. I've read a lot of the writings of them. We're interviewing. So that interview this should be quite interesting. It's Don DeGran pre. It's Don DeGran pre. Don DeGran pre is on. He's never been on before. Oh boy. His first appearance. Alex has, he says a lot of times that he had a stroke a year ago, but he's doing fine, which he says it like probably four or five times, which is a little excessive. Well, that makes sense.

Then why people keep asking about him. Well, that was quite a ways down the line. That was many, many years later. Yeah. Also, Alex doesn't really know who he is and keeps calling him Don DeGrant. And he gets corrected at some point. So we've talked a little bit about Don DeGrant pretty And he gets corrected at some point. So we've talked a little bit about Don DeGrant pretty in the past, because how could you not?

It's a fun name. But I'm excited to give him a little bit of a closer examination this time around. As it turns out, he wrote a series of books called The Barbarians Inside the Gates, with the subtitles, The Serpent Sting, Vipers Venom, and Rattlers Revenge. Oh my God, this is going to be fucking antisemitic, isn't it? What? Goddammit! I found a copy of Serpent Sting available online on the website of America First Books,

which also celebrates the legacy of people like David Duke and Kevin Alfred Strom, and is a thoroughly antisemitic outlet full of Holocaust denial. Yeah, yeah. The prologue of Don DeGran Prix's book is mostly him insisting that he is not anti-Semitic and then he goes and says this. First he cites a time magazine editorial where the author is discussing the fear of an impending conflict between Israel and Palestine where she says quote, both sides know two things in advance of another fight.

Israel will win it and it will be horribly painful. In response to this, Dawn says, quote, they're in in that, that succinct statement is the heart of the troubles and misery of civilization over the past 3000 years, all perpetuated by a biblical band of outcast, which history records as the tribes of Judah and Benjamin with their maniacal thirst for destruction and revenge forever.

Yish. He goes on to say that the introduction with their maniacal thirst for destruction and revenge forever. YEEEESH! He goes on to say that the introduction of the concept of anti-Semitism was done solely to make people afraid to criticize the people running the world, and that the Holocaust was faked, quote, to seek the sympathy of the populations of the UK, US, and Canada. Makes sense to me! Tracks! To sum up what I read, he's incredibly anti-smetic and spends a lot of time trying to discredit the idea of anyone being called anti-smetic.

For instance, from his book Serpent Sting, he says this, quote, a standard Zionist bullshivist modus upper endi is to scream anti-Semite at anyone who exposes any of their nefarious plans, and to seek the quote sympathy factor by staging quote incidents such as the desecration of their nefarious plans, and to seek the quote sympathy factor by staging quote incidents such as the desecration of their own cemeteries or torching their own synagogues and blame get on quote neo-nazis. Makes? Yeah.

It's quite an argument. A lot of scare quotes in there, I see. Yes, sympathy factor, incidents, neo-nazis. I think you're saying something more than what you're saying. So I've read a fair amount of his writing in advance of doing this episode, and I find it difficult to imagine reading his stuff and not getting the sense that Don has a problem

with Jewish people. Alex is saying he's read Don's work, which leads me towards the conclusion that Alex is aware of Don's Holocaust denial and anti-Semitism, and that's just not a problem for him. Yeah. Or he's lying about having read any of his stuff and is just willing to have this guy with a wacky name.

Come on. Yeah, yeah, two things can be true. I'm gonna go with, you know, you just don't know in this time period whether or not he's read something within the past 10 years. Yeah, I'm guessing no. Well, he's read something probably. Exactly.

But not Don DeGroene pre's. Southful. Ridic he's right, it's something probably. Exactly. But not Don DeGrant Pre's Southful, ridiculous writing. Serpent's staying. Also, I do think that he was enlisted. So he's not faking all of this. Right. But I do think he's also exaggerating a great deal of his bio.

And to me, he seems like a proto-steve. Yeah. He seems like another, he has a lot of big swings. Yeah. A lot of claims that he, like, one of the things he claims in this episode is that one of his good friends was part of the Nebraska air guard that shot down United 93.

Sure. That's right. So he knows the guy personally. You always gotta know everybody. Yeah, and Alex asks like, how did you, how did you find that out? He's like, oh, turns out there's an old buddy of mine. I don't know what that meant. So, but there's that kind of big bra.

Sure. That you usually see from Steve coming from him. All right. And, yeah, it's kind of fun. Okay. So, Don DeGranprey came into prominence within 9-11 communities a little bit after 9-11 when he had a marathon symposium.

This is very Michelin Delish. I'm hearing you loud and clear. He had a 1772 hour straight symposium. Sure. With a bunch of pilots trying to get to the bottom of what happened on 9-11. Okay. And so they talk about this here a little bit. If you have some questions, fire away, Alex.

Well, now you've got these military officers together. And then I guess the only place I ever saw it get reported on was here in Portugal, talked about decim posing him. Of course, I've read one of your fine books. And we'll talk about that as well a little bit later in the show and take some calls. But what was laid out, what I saw in the four-page article, you know, two years ago, has turned out to be very accurate. Tell us about the military officers, the pilots, the civilian pilots that were there, and

the conclusions you came to in the 72-hour nonstop meeting, pleased to over that for us. Okay, Alex. Okay, Alex. 72-hour nonstop meeting about 9-11 sounds like hell. Please deliver that for us. Okay, Alex. Okay, Alex. 72 hour nonstop meeting about 9.11, sounds like hell. I can't think of anything less interesting to me than a bunch of people, just for 72 hours. You'd be hallucinating,

absolutely. Absolutely. What is happening? You'd accept any kind of wacky conclusion. Of course. Yeah. A bunch of pilots are shouting random pilot nonsense at me about planes and how buildings don't work like that.

So some of the things that I know about Don DeGray and Prize conclusions about 9'11 that Alex is signing off on here and saying he's, he agrees this conclusions are, that Israel did it. Oh! That the planes were military aircraft and they were remote controlled into the towers.

Okay. And that the commercial jets that were supposed to be military aircraft and they were remote controlled into the towers. Okay. And that the commercial jets that were supposed to be those planes, they were placed somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, but Don doesn't know where it is and no one has ever found them. Okay. So those are the conclusions that Alex is signing off on. Okay. So, so, so if I understand correctly, all right, here is the plan to 9-11, right? We've got these planes.

We can't use them, because they need pilots and stuff. Okay, so we have to build remote controlled exact replicas of those planes. But if people look for those planes, we have to make sure that they can't find them. Otherwise, they'll know that we made replicas of the planes. And then, so we just put them under the ocean. Yeah.

I don't see any problems here them under the ocean. Yeah, I Don't I don't see any problems here. Yeah, I mean no, no, I'm just I'm just that's how one That's how one would do it. Just asking for the boss to sign off. Yeah, this is how yeah, okay good good. I'll go get it done that But it's fun that Alex is just like, yes, this is totally what happened. 100%. So Don and the pilots, they got together. They had this 72 hour no sleep symposium marathon. And they figured it out and they came together and made a 24 page report. Okay.

Now Don, Fancy's himself to be the best friend of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Well, you had your hand up. I was just saying, is everything done in the rule of threes now? Is everything divisible by threes? 72 hours, 24 pages. Yeah, three people all speak today. Yeah.

Sorry. 9-11, divisible by three. Oh, I don't think it is. Might be. No, it's not. 9-11, 9- be. No, it's not nine hundred and then eleven. No, definitely not. So they get this 24 page report. Yeah. Don thinks that he's really good friends with the joint cheese of staff. And so he sends it to them. And he thinks

that he got a really positive response. Interesting. Please go over that for us. Okay, Alex, the group of pilots and they will remain anonymous were a wonderful mix of commercial, military and civilian pilots and any raid after three days the decisions were unanimous and I wrote my 24 page report up and submitted it to the chairman of the joint chiefs. That report ultimately got into the hands of the vice chairman of the joint chiefs on 23 January 2002. The general was US Marine Corps, a general named Peter Pace. And I got a telephone call five March from his horse, one of his horseholders, who was a Colonel Air Force type, and he used the old Marine Corps, a Lingo Semper-Fi or always faithful.

So this is what he hangs his hat on in terms of like this Peter Pace, the vice chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, giving him the wink. He said, simplify. And so that means that like, I can't say anything, but I'm totally into this. I mean, isn't that probably also how he like signs off on his emails? I would almost, I mean, 100,000. I mean, 100,000%. Especially if it's a communique with somebody else who is served.

Yes. You know, like it seems meaningless almost. It's like, I mean, it's like, have a pleasant day. But you know, you're in the military. You can't be like, have a pleasant day. You have to say, Super far. You know, you're a little rrrr. I think it's a sign off that is inconspicuous

and it doesn't have a lot of meaning. But for Colonel Don DeGran Prix, we have... Confirmation that the highest levels know exactly the way they're going on board and they're on his team. Yeah. Or at the very least underground their honesty. So they can't go public right. Absolutely. And that's why it appears that no one knows who don't. And it appears that so very well. Yeah. It's a perfect illusion. This is one of the, like, the message discipline across the army in terms of not knowing

who zero whistleblowers absolutely no leaks on this. No crack in the facade. Brilliant acting. Amazing. So yeah, the chair, Peter peter pace apparently made five hundred copies uh... don's report and i'll express

for details about this and i will say that uh... don's story is shaky okay the term of the joint and five hundred copies of this twenty four page report made and sent out including the white house and i have to say it was uh... including president and sent out including the White House. And I have to say it was including President Bush. Now, they got a copy of the report. That was Myers at the time.

That is correct. And so, I mean, if he sent out 500 copies, that would mean that he believed in it. I'm quite sure that he believed in it, and I think that he still believes in it uh... you can understand the discolored the uh... administration of the city administration of course uh... won't recognize that as such

uh... how did you find out that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs had sent this out? I got a telephone call and I think the date was 5 March 2002, stating that at the time the chairman of the Joint Chiefs had no comment, but he used the Marine Coralingle Sampar V, Sampper Fidelity, always faithful. And that triggered in me further memos, and I traded memos with General Peter Paste and Dick Myers. And they continued on. Well, that had to be a little bit of last year that had to be upsetting to to mister uh... rumsfeld to have all these no hundreds of your your report

flying around the pentagon uh... you know there's a you see uh... uh... there's a definite privilege between the military of the pentagon and the civilian hierarchy and never the twain shall meet uh... i will say the rumsfeld put on quite a brave face

yeah in uh... in in you know dealing with this with don to grand prize uh... almost uprising quite frankly after watching a documentary entirely about donald Rumsfeld, where they looked directly into his eyes, I don't think he was bothered by much of anything at all. No.

I think he might be a true psycho. Yeah. And in April 2005, Peter Pace, the guy that he's supposedly trading stuff with, became the joint chief's assistant, had the chair of it. So I don't think that he was on the outs with anybody in the administration like Bush nominated him. Yeah.

Yeah. Give him a promotion. So he, I mean, he would have been the conduit by which Myers got the report that made the 500 copies. Well, well, well, but now we've got a new wrinkle. Okay. Now we've got a new wrinkle. He gets promoted immediately after receiving this specific information no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no and so i will say that uh... based on what dawn says here i'm pretty glad that there's civilian control of the military

uh... right after uh... the event you talk about uh... in mid-2000 and two the washington time saying the morale of the pentagon had never been lower and indeed would be high you know after nine eleven and you know getting together to fight the enemy but uh... it it it it it said that... the the the officers didn't believe in the quote mission uh... or in the intelligence

that is correct that came out of the wash and time and i can verify that from uh... a chronic shows who is a friend of mine and the joint chief uh... morale was not only low but he said some of the troops are ready to meet me and if it wasn't for the fact that uh... uh... the government the civilian hierarchy as control over retirement

etc. they'd probably be blood in the streets by now that was what was stopping it retirement right pensions yeah pensions but uh... you but if you if you, okay, that's stupid. Here's why. If you're willing to mutiny to the point

where there's blood in the streets, you're gonna die or you're going to succeed in your objective. Right. I don't think you're worried about your retirement plan as it stands, because if you succeed, you could create your own retirement plan. And if you fail, you're dead.

I know, I know this makes sense. I know it doesn't make sense to you, but I swear to you, it makes perfect sense. You know, all honesty, like teachers, teachers. No, no, no, no. We'll get to the point after like 20 years. They will not talk about students. They won't talk about their lives.

They'll just be like, here's the number of years left I have until I get my pension. I understand. I care about nothing else. I'm talking about a bloody coup. Sure. You think a school couldn't feel what? I can, I can, I can see how it might feel at times that a classroom is like there's blood on the streets and you know It's like a insurrection against the US government, but it actually no

I think if the people had been all armed on January 6th I think a lot more people would have died. Yeah, like if they were if they were coming in shooting into the The capital. Yeah, that would have gone bad, right? shooting into the capital. Yeah, that would have gone bad. Right. So what he's describing is not analogous to your... No, no, absolutely not. It was a, yeah.

It's just a dome. But it is the kind of thing that you might say to someone like him if you didn't want to agree with him and like join up like, yeah, you know, there's nothing to say, but he's like, you gotta wear a bunch of pension. Yeah. What are you gonna do? Yeah. Listen, I

would have a body count in the thousands by now, but they hold my pension. Yeah, it seems like a good excuse and conversation. Ender. Yeah. If you're hanging out with Don DeGranprey. Hey, I think we should probably, you know, let's cause some real havoc. Oh, yeah, oh, you know, I would, I would. Oh, I'd mute me but on the off chance that Don DeGran Prix is right now let's keep those retirements under the control of the nation we do that let's make sure we do that so I said

that Don's a little bit stevy a little patchanicky sure and you might get a little bit of that sense here so we're in uh... world of hurt uh... Alex now by kudai taught you mean another intensification of a reverse kudai talk uh... people from fighting against the new world order or do you mean the type that bill clinton successfully uh... stopped uh... in his administration well i'm talking about the administrative kudai that came off september eleven you're talking about the administrative coup d'état that came off September 11th.

You're talking about an intensification of the elite in a coup d'état against America. That is correct. Well, I mean, it's ongoing. They're federalizing everything, they're militarizing everything, that they're engaging in the classic takeover. Are they not? Yes, they are and uh... from this alix and i bring this out very clearly in book three the only way we can stop it

is with the classic counter kudita where the military steps in class and under the ages of uh... the military itself disengaging or disemballing the uh... civilian hierarchy taking over and re-running and re-organizing the federal government that goes so well

now the problem is they've got so many cfr menions in the pentagon that's the problem we know that uh... cl Clinton had some officers terminated in their offices, you know, shot multiple times in the rest of it. We know that happened, but the question is, how many of the high-level officers are on the globalist team? is team. I can only say several of the highest level are members now of the council of foreign relations. Well, we're going to take all of them out of that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's got it. They got to go. So yeah, we're going to he wants like a military coup, basically, but it's a counter coup. Sure. In the same way that the 2016 election was contextualized for Alex, you know, there's there's a almost a mirror

parallel between this. Yeah. Yeah, you know 9-11 was the coup that these people Committed and then we're just doing a camera coup. Yeah, it is it is fun to watch people Feel like they're having a conversation with the news or whatever, you know? We're having a conversation. Yeah, no, I mean more like, okay, in response to 9-11, we're gonna perform a coup, right? That doesn't make sense. You can't do that.

What you have to do is say, aha, 9-11 was a coup, so I'm not doing a coup. I'm doing the right thing. 9-11 was the event that catalyzed the administrative coup within the government. Right, right, right. Yeah, now we're... Yeah, so... Now we're just trying to bring it back.

Yeah, yeah, we're not mad about... We're not mad at it. No, no, no, no. It's not that the stuff is bad before or anything. It's completely different now. There's an administrative coup that we all know about because it's... I mean, you can't avoid it. Yeah. Right. It's in your face all the time. I think what bothers me more is the way that this is so similar to stuff in, you know, the

Trump election. Yeah. I don't enjoy it when stuff that big is reruns kind of, you know, that it is. Yeah. I mean, 20 years should be longer. 20 years should be a lot, lot, you know what it is. Yeah, I mean, 20 years should be longer. 20 years should be a lot, you know, like we can joke about how old dogma is, but I mean, the dogma of the right shouldn't be the same. You know, I mean, it's unfortunate that that wordplay happened and I apologize for him. But that would be like somebody making dogma again

and pretending the first one didn't happen. That's what we're doing. Yeah, that's what he's doing. Yeah, God, it's just inferior. It's so annoying. So, Don has a little story about Wolfowitz. Okay. Do you think the globalists are going to have the will to carry out another mass of attack

here in the US to try to get control back over the population and get their agenda back on track or do you think they've calculated computed as you said that that will blow up in their face because so many people now know who the real terror star. Well that's a two-pronged question Alex I think it deserves a steady the only thing I can say is I'm not sure how to turn out, but it is very dangerous. Well, from watching the globalist, I think they had a plan, they're still following a plan, but I think they're shook up. I think from evidence fact i know from the evidence a lot of things they plan haven't gone according to schedule and so they don't know what to do right now this is correct i think it's personified in

the persona of the deputy secretary defense par with with they almost got him in bag dad when they fired the several one night of ummm weaponry and they scared par with which off he's ready to resign or you think that you think that was us forces doing that I believe it it was very that's a way down there we go and only us forces would know that he would be there, yeah.

Yeah. Correct. Yeah. So yeah, the US forces tried to blow up our wall toilets. Try to kill the wolf. Try to kill the wolf. Yeah. All right.

Say this with just, I believe this to be true. Is the your backup for it? I'm going to go ahead and say no. I am, I'm not, I'm going to go ahead and say no. I am not I'm not impressed, but there is a certain level of yes-ending that I think they achieve just by virtue of actually trying to live in the reality. The reality that they're constructing around themselves at all time. Yeah, exactly. You know, like that. Yes, sanding is is so incredibly like, oh, of course.

Yeah, even if you have to contradict the last thing that was said, a very last thing. The very last thing that was said, the last sentence. Or else you're gonna run into too much conflict and it's no good. Amazing.

So Don, his interview, not all that interesting outside of these little bits, they agree to stay in touch. So we'll see more of dawn to grand prix uh... not anymore but in the past we were right right right got because i got bad news oh is he okay he's not uh... shit so uh... the rest of the show alix takes calls and we just have one here uh... that is of note

yeah but i hope for a while thirty times that switch subjects like this but talking about the passion. Oh, yeah, the passion of Christ. Right, right, the movie. I had a question. I've noted in the past that you've talked about people who do these movies like the scold, and you kind of paint a picture that is, you know, it's some agenda to take away from a legitimate state of the argument.

And I wonder when you talk about your theory that's also not yet and really not only about that i mean i'm not going to tell you what i know about gipson but i know a lot of you know the private stuff and i've been over family and i've met a lot of the family and i'm not going to be all heard but mel Gibson's the real deal and knows as much as i do about the new world order

and you know lessons of these shows watches my videos Knows all knew about the new world order when I was in diapers Mel Gibson's the real deal Colonel. You have any comments about Mel Gibson I know him personally and I know his father Hutton who is a dear friend of mine He was originally from San Antonio, Texas and now uh... hutton has moved to uh... west virginia uh... still very active at eighty five oh don't you and hutt and a friend i have what do you possibly have in common

i have to very specific details thus proving everything that i have said so far i wouldn't be too surprised if you have to friends are friends. They're both big Holocaust deniers. No, they would be friends. Yeah. They would like each other. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. I feel like that's one I can kind of believe as possible.

Hutton seems accessible. Yeah. He's friends with Alex Ish. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you're a famous anti-Semite after growing in popularity after 9-11, Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, if you're a famous anti-Semite after growing in popularity after 9-11, then yeah, Hutton's gonna be like, whoa, Serpents? I mean, yeah, yeah, so I kind of, I kind of, I thought that was an interesting parallel.

Yeah. Don and Don DeGran Prix hanging out with Hutton Gibson. Wow. One of Whirl. It is a closed circle. A world. Anti-submitting. World.

Yeah. So Alex saw the passion that day. In February 26th, he comes into the studio. And he wants to just take calls on it. He wants to talk about the passion. Let's just talk about it. All right, my friends. It's now Thursday, the 26th of February, 04.

I saw the passion of the Christ last night. It was an excellent film, and I'll give you my review of it. And in fact, we're going to open the phones up in the second segment of the show here in about seven minutes. We're going to go right to your calls for those that have seen the passion, or would like to comment on the media's spin about the minutes. We're gonna go right to your calls for those that have seen the passion, or would like to comment on the media's spin about the film.

We'll go directly to your calls at 1-800-25992-31. That's 1-800-2599231. Just talking to Scott is running the show. He saw a free screening of it uh... last night and he thought it was a great film uh... i mean there are many movies that are quote more violent

hundreds of people being killed demons repping people's guts out uh... the passion is historical we had a rabbi on television on uh... scarborough country going this is historical you know they had a rabbi on television on uh... scarborough country going this is historical the jewish historians the roman historians told the same story this is what happened uh... to the most famous individual in world history uh... jesus christ

yeah so i like to oh yeah yeah i do think that it is a fair point that there have been other movies that are more violent. That being said, the pageant of the Christ is Grootasklee violent. Is it? I don't remember it. I know a bunch of geniuses.

You're watching Jesus get his ass kicked the whole time. Sure, sure, but. Two and a half hours of blood. No, and I know, and I know why people get reacted to that. But you know, I was raised in this. I saw I so many times I saw Christ I all day. Yeah, I think it's it's a more graphic depiction That is often made and it's gratuitous. Yeah, I think I mean as just from a film standpoint Sure, sure. It's it's a lot Alex talks a lot about the cat-to-nine tails and how it rips flesh off and so. Oh, so it's very torturary. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

It makes a point, I mean, obviously, in the best interpretation you can have, it's that it wants to bring to the forefront the minutia and the reality of the pain that Christ went through. Sure, sure. He died for your sins. You should know what it felt like

for him to die for your sins. That's the point. Sure, sure. He died for your sins. You should know what it felt like for him to die for your sins. That's the point. What? No. Yeah. And I can understand where someone, you know, who believes that might be, you know, coming from. But as a viewer, I found that aspect of the film to be difficult.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. Very violent and intimately violent. Yeah. That's creepy. Mm-hmm. It's almost, I mean, when you have that kind of violence in a reverential way, then you kind of glorify

the violence. Maybe as much as you do the guy. The argument that is made on Alex's show is actually that it's an anti-violence film. And not only that, Alex believes that cops that go see it will be less likely to get to the point where they're going to be in the middle of the night. that is made on Alex's show is actually that it's an anti-violence film. And not only that, Alex believes that cops that go see it will be less likely to be brought with people.

Yeah. Oh, interesting. People that are resting because they'll see the violence and. All right, well, let's go to the future real quick. It's a group. All right, how are we doing with the less violent cops, Dan? I don't have any study that tracks

before and after seeing the passion of the crafts. So I can't comment on this. The police brutality has not been solved. All right, well, we can go best to the past. Okay. So there is one of the things that is like the cornerstone of the argument about this is it's all biblical. Sure.

This is, that's why sometimes these Jewish people come off looking really terrible because i have to be literally accurate to the word of the bible so that's the whole thing the song and dance that male and Alex have been doing right unfortunately there's some creative licenses i was gonna say and uh there were maybe two or three things in there that that were license of the writers milgipsen and and the director milgipsen you know that there wasn't really a crow there of you know trying to pull the eyeball out of uh... one of the people on the cross but other than that just a few other things just amazing to know very moving uh...

you don't have a heart if you don't cry i mean i couldn't help it i uh... just uh... you don't have a heart if you don't cry i mean i couldn't help it i uh... you know love uh... love jesus christ and uh... and but even if i wasn't a christian it would have brought me to tears and i saw three thirty showing it was jam packed the entire theater was full yeah it's a good environment to see something emotionally.

Does everybody cheer when he dies? They have to cheer, right? You have to cheer. I think you have to cheer when Jesus dies. I feel like the resurrection is more what you cheer about. I didn't show that in the movie, did I? You're very solemn when he dies. That's all the same.

I guess it is a part of the process. Yeah, I mean, it's the same thing. A live dead, he was always both. He's been alive before we were, he'll be alive after we were, we saw him die for a little bit, but even then, that was like a few days in his lifetime, which is infinite. That's practically a vacation. I bet he loved being dead. How many days? Three.

Oh, shit. We're back. 72 hours. Yeah. three. Oh shit. We're back 72 hours. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like this was thankfully just after I got out of church stuff. Yeah, because otherwise I'm certain that I would have been, you know, like if I was just a few years younger, I would have been in my K life and going to youth group stuff. Yeah.

And being on the bus, going to a screening and probably crying, you know, you know, along with my friends. I mean, I know I saw it in the theater. I know I went in a church bus. I know that I was shuttled there. I do not remember the movie or anyone available in those memories.

I have a bus. I had discovered weed by this point and I was in college. I think I was like, what, 17? Yeah. No, because I think, so I would. 2004 would have been 17 for me, yeah. Oh yeah, I guess I would have been 20.

Yeah, well you definitely discovered weed by then. Yeah, huh. Some reason I thought I was 18. No, no 2004. Yeah, that that actually I was Is my first year of college was a little bit shaky. Yeah, so I was fully into college by this guy And yeah, that thankfully I missed that because I I Man, I remember we went on a K-life mission trip one time and in the the

I don't know I don't know hotel we were staying in but it was like this big room and then it then there were like other rooms with bunks and stuff but like there's a center room Sure and one night the the leaders brought out like a cross and yeah, And then we sat by candle light and then you were supposed to confess us in and then drive a nail into the cross. No. And I remember everyone crying and I of course was right along.

It was, that would have been the story. It's that I would have had if I would gone to the passion of the Christ. Totally. I would have been sucked up and some zoomed into the feeling of the group. Oh, that's, I will, I mean, you of the Christ. Totally. I would have been sucked up and some zoomed into the feeling of the group. Oh, that's that I will, I mean, you can't argue. If you've if you've been to the, you know, like,

young Christian revivalist tent kind of shit, you cannot argue with being surrounded by other teenagers singing the same song and insanely horny out of your mind, but unable to do anything about it, because you're at Christ camp, so you subsume all of that shit into, oh my God, God's real, you know, that's how it goes. There's a lot of angles on it,

and I'm grateful that I'm this to the passion. Yeah. So Alex believes that it's easy to give up your life for someone else. I don't believe him. I think he's an incredibly selfish asshole, but whatever. The lays down your life for your brothers, your neighbors, your family, and for strangers is the most beautiful thing you can do. It takes so much strength and courage, but once you commit yourself to it, it's frankly not that hard. And instinctively, and the trials and tribulations

that I've been through, it is actually rewarding to not sell out to stand up against evil and I would be honored someday to be chewed up by the New World Order and in the fight against it. It might explain why the fetishizes consequences and pretends that they're signed of his virtue. Yeah yeah. But also like I when I first heard that clip and like when he was talking I was just like you idiot you wouldn't give up your life for your neighbor what the fuck are you talking about? But then I kind of forgotten until I relistened to it just now that this is in the context of the Passion of the Christ Yeah, and so he's saying that giving your life for people is easy. So what Chris did was easy. Didn't even have to struggle.

Wasn't even that hard. You know those 40 days in the desert and stuff with the devil? Fucking great! Yeah, why don't you try Chinese food the whole time? One of the things that you would not come away from that movie with is I was easy. Ah, come on, I'll do that tomorrow. What are we doing? Why do we make this guy famous?

That's the first thing that I would say, walking out of the show, who is this guy? It's a weird thought for Alex to have on this day of any day. Ah, I mean, it's like, it's the same thing with like blaming the Jews for the death of Christ or anything. And it's like, man, the whole idea is that he was doing a thing. He had a whole thing going on. This was all the plan.

Like the whole thing was part of the thing. So plan. Like the whole thing was part of the thing So you can't be mad at any part of the thing all the all the things are required for the thing exactly So you can't be mad at the things the thing is the thing mm-hmm Right that is that is and you know that's the the Judas argument Yeah, Judas didn't betray Jesus. He was part of fulfilling the plan. He was just doing the job. Wasn't that the gospel of Judas thing? I don't know. I don't know.

There was some extra, I don't remember if I was... I just feel like it's logical in the words. It's like, oh, this was my plan. Then I guess all of it was the plan. Fair enough. So Alex takes a lot of calls on this and man, I mean, they're just all like, it's good stuff. It's great movie.

Yeah, love it. And there's not a whole lot of the reason to listen to that a bunch, but one guy calls in and he is like, why would you call that movie historical? Like question. I like the question. I like you. I like this.

I like your world and all that, but that doesn't seem like the right word question. Hey Alex this is Joe you know I called up in the past and I supported everything that you've done. Those are the new world order and when it comes time you know I will put all on my suit to honor and fight right beside you. Thank you. I have a couple of comments a couple of questions and a lot of this actually even concerns me. I've been listening to you for a long time. I have all your tapes if you think they're great.

I know, but when somebody prefaces a call without you, I'm a big supporter of you, but hey, go ahead and make your points, bud. I want to want your other, how listen is, get the wrong idea. I do support you. And I've been listening to you show, and a lot of times people do call up and you say, you want to stick to the facts, you don't want to talk about hypotheticals, all the things that you can prove. And the whole beginning of the show, I've been here and this is a historical event when and let me make my whole comment here, this is a historical event that actually did happen when really Alex, it always could have fit, I do believe in a creator.

However, there really isn't enough documented evidence that i have seen other than a bible that actually supports the theory or the historical life of christ let me ask you come on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold we have a dialogue here and i get to talk to uh...

with you on hold that's why i think i've never seen George washington words approved for i've never seen uh... you know collegial i'm sorry you know that live and then there were uh... there were a whole bunch of you as your story and roman historians uh... it's true story so just because you have a bother to look for the evidence and then it's about archaeology or history, which I do, you know, more than most people, I could certainly learn a lot more,

but I'm interested in these things. Yes, when I'm covering the news or legislation, I stick to the facts. Yes, I'm a Christian, because I have faith in what I believe in. Can you say that that's speculation yes okay i mean clearly those two things are separate uh... and i don't have a quote religious show you know i don't sit here and have secular debates and fights and you know get into all this um... talking about the passion uh... and uh... but now go ahead now you can finish up so the uh... like, I have my faith clearly those two things are separate.

And the only thing you can say that is not anymore. Fuck you. Yeah. If that ever was the case, it is. Yeah. Get that shit out of my face. Yeah. Good heavens.

Wow. Um, so yeah, I think that's a little bit disingenuous. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but the caller, I mean, he has, he has, uh, you know, uh, but the caller. I mean he has he has a you know Sort of the same issue that you were bringing up with the bird You know it's like you weren't there. You don't know how to you know. Yeah, I don't know that a bird didn't poke it Someone's eyes. Totally why not birds love to poke at dead people's eyes. I'd buy that more than I buy the Jesus came back to life

How about that? Yeah? So I think that this caller also has a really good point that is still an issue with Alex's show, even as it comes to like the Sandy Hook Trials and stuff. That is that he does not do a good job of delineating when he is doing X, Y or Z. When are you reporting, when are you commenting, when are you making shit up?

When are you pretending to do satire? He doesn't do a good job of that, so you could hear him talking about how everything in this movie is historically accurate. Yeah. And be like, oh, this is news reporting that he's doing. Right. There's no way to know. There's no different hat that he puts on.

Right. Well, that's, I mean, that's why Fox News got away with it so long in Plain site is because they'd be like aha no no no are crazy right wing opinion people only show up at seven Until then we're all very very wise very smart regular people then we go crazy You know Alex is like I'm all at once Mm-hmm yeah, and you can never really know which is which. And that's by design. Yeah.

So this caller, the same caller, eventually gets a little bit anti-bible and Alex isn't to have it. Oh. All right. Yeah, I can appreciate your comment. But what I want to say is, do you think for one moment that if a Bible had the power that everyone puts into this book that the new world brought up would get an answer free

in every motel so that you can defeat their god well that that that book would be in the bottom of the Vatican you know it's fun that a lot on it so tight you know it's funny you know that that you know it's funny you ask a question and then you start talking that you know i got let you go because what I said is we're talking about the passion and we're talking to calls. Some other day we can have

this debate or you can call back in a third hour after we broadcast this interview because it's very important interview and we can talk more. You know the Gideon's paid to have Bibles put in the churches and in hotel rooms and in and in hotel rooms in other places. And that's what made America free and that's what made for the Gideon have half the wealth. Now we're becoming decadent. We're losing the wealth. We're losing the freedom. We're losing the milk and honey. We're going back into bondage. Yeah. Well then tell the Gideons to spend more on Bibles. I could just clearly understood and they

diagnosed the problem. Yeah. The, the Indians are doing enough. The Indians were doing everything right, and now they're not, so we need to get them back on board. Yeah, stop slouching to the end. Yeah, come on. Back to work. You put Bibles in hotels, and then everything got great, and now where we are. Well, people stopped being surprised by the Bible being there. Oh, there's a Bible here.

There are everybody knows about the Bible. Or maybe there's less people who are at the end of their rope in hotel rooms. Who knows exactly what the situation is. Not a lot of motel converts these days, I see. I feel like it's really weird that sentence that Alex had. Does the Gideon's put Bibles everywhere, and that's what made America free?

I did come out of his mouth, and he didn't take it back. He said strongly and directly, the Gideon's put Bibles everywhere, and that's what made America free. Yeah. Okay. Well, then fucking get to work, Gideon's Jesus. So Alex plays the interview that he did with Michael Shrypton, and get to work it is yeah jeezus so alice plays uh...

the the interview that he did with michael shrimp and uh... a couple days prior he just replace that whole thing for the second hour so that's that uh... they as a call here that i think is really uh... illuminating uh... let's talk to milgren calirata milgren go ahead uh... i alix i was wondering what your definition of the scientist is

it is i i've been listening since the first of your show you were speaking that of being of not being anti-semetic and that's right i'm not against uh... but some you spoke of someone who was anti-zionist and you seem to agree with them and so i just needed to know your definition of Zionist. Well, I'm against saying Metcha, who says that they hate white people in blacks. Or, you know, what Metcha?

Ma'am, just let me answer your question. Okay. I'm against a Metcha because they say they don't like certain races and that they're the best. Okay, I'm against the Ku Klux Klan because they say that about white. And Zionist, the real King Daddy, a real Zionist, thinks that they're the best and everybody else is basically dog meat. And so that's who I'm talking about.

And most Jews are not Zionists. So I'm against racist Jews. I'm Zionists. So I'm against racist Jews. I'm against racist blacks. I'm against racist Germans. And so that's what I say. You don't think Zionism means that you support Israel as a nation? No, no, that's not what it means.

If you really look at what the real Zionism is, it's a lot more than that. It's the re-domination by Israel of a certain group of people. I can have a bunch of rabbis up and tell you that if you'd like me to. I would like for you to. Okay, well you better research what the Zionists say. I mean, they don't have a very good view of people who aren't Jewish. It's all about the racist stuff.

So if the definition of Zionist were racist to Jewish person, then Alex would make some sense. I have to say, I'm pretty convinced that Alex's definition of Zionist is based on the protocols of the elders of Zion. I think that what he's describing fairly well lines up with that being the writings that he's talking about, and that troubles me.

Yeah, I mean, the thing about Zionism and the word specifically is that because of the way that it's been used by everybody, it doesn't have a set like everybody agrees, this is what Zion is. Right, you know. You bring, people bring a lot of their own, like ideas and feelings and to the table.

Which is why interchangeably, Alex can use it with a semitism or whatever with his other white nationals friends. That Zionism is the same thing as being Jewish. So yeah, throw that word in there, you know, but because it means something else to people outside of that space Alex can then use that as being like, no, no, no, no, see that's why I'm not anti-Semitic When I say Zionism, I'm speaking specifically of something when he's not. He's interchangeable. And I would have a certain amount more respect for Alex's point that he's making if there

was more of a feeling of, like, you know, concern concern about the Palestinians. Yeah, yeah. You know, that kind of a conversation of his, like, feelings of being against Zion, Zionism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As it stands, the definition of racist Jewish person seems stupid and, like I said, based on the purpose. And once again, one of the most terrifying and awful things that has happened in the intervening time, he's a big fan of racist Jews now.

He loves Netanyahu. Netanyahu is the canary of the coal mine. He loves racist Jews. He has a conflicted relationship with Netanyahu. He's got a difficult... The canary in the coal mine was six years ago. Yeah, I know. Whatever. I'm, we're, I don't even know where I'm stuck in time.

I'm Kurt Vonnegutting it today. Okay. So the 27th comes along. And we only have a few clips of this too, because you just take some calls and it's kind of boring. Sure. He's in a bit of a holding pattern here. Yeah.

But he is pretty hardcore on the ADL as creating anti-Semitism arc here. Okay. And I can't believe what creating anti-semitism are here okay and i can't believe what the anti-semit's have done and i mean the adl and others they really are creating anti-semitism like no one else could all the clan members and all the area nation members all the king's

forces and all the king's men couldn't do this uh... but but the ADL and others could. And I heard that Rabbi Daniel Laffon on the radio today, and he's a guy that wrote the editorial a few days ago, and he said this is the so-called Jewish groups of the ones really causing a problem because nobody would have thought ill know of you know Jews because Jews and the Romans were involved in killing Christ it was another corrupt government but to have them saying Mel Gibson your black ball it's over for you you'll never work in this town again you're not going to get any support by major production companies that Mel Gibson has made hundreds of millions of dollars

I mean he's a major commodity every film he's done has been a success do you know that he's uh... he's the only person to hollywood and i've read this in entertainment publications uh... who's never had a failure very interesting that's not true is that interesting i don't think that's interesting it's pretty crazy though

to look back through mel Gibson's filmography. He was in a ton of hits, pretty consistently. Yeah. Get the Mad Max series, lethal weapon series, Maverick, Braveheart, Pocahontas. It's nothing to sneeze at in terms of box office. His 90s were, whoo. That being said, there were also some not so successful movies in there that Alex has just forgotten about.

For instance, in 1984, he had the river that lost $7 million at the box office. The year of living dangerously lost about $3 million. His take on Hamlet and the man without a face barely broke even, but let's not forget that Mel's most recent movie at this point was Signs. That may have done pretty well at the box office, but it bombed in my heart.

Yeah. Yeah. How dare you? He had a pretty good track record, but it bombed in my heart. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How dare you? He had a pretty good track record, but you know, these like a lot of top-tier actors. There are some whiffs in the mix, but generally their star power is enough to make the money back. And you just kind of forget about those ones that people do that, unless they're like super embarrassing, or they lead to the end of someone's like star. Yeah.

Yeah. You generally forget about the, the like stray films that just didn't work out. Right, right, right. Alex is pretending that Mel is the only sure thing in Hollywood to make it seem like even more of a self-defeating move for people to not want to work with him. And I guess if Alex thinks it's bad now, just wait until he sees how few people want to hang out

with him after that DUI. Oh boy. Things get real bad then. Yup, yup. He turns into a character actor. Alex, he turns into a character actor. So, you know, you've got this idea that the ADL is creating this backlash.

And they're creating the anti-semitism through their pointing out of anti-semitism. Right, right, right. And just to give a little example of how serious Alex is taking this, I present to you him reporting on an article that he doesn't even know if it's real. And I'm going to go to some calls, but later I'm going to read this article. I don't know if this is a real article because I can't find capital press in Google or anywhere on a search engine. I can't find Jews against anti-Semitism anywhere. And occasionally there are fake news articles that come out.

Occasionally. There's a few other hotel signs. There is a typo in it. But I mean I don't doubt it because I've seen stuff like this in the past but I'd like to find out if this is a real story. And it says Jewish groups call the passion an act of terrorism, a prominent Jewish, and it's supposed to be from capital press, whoever that is, a prominent Jewish organization has announced mailgips in the passion as an act of terrorism and can prove the movie violates the

Patriot Act. Yeah, so Alex is so desperate to cover stories of like Things that he can say like all these Jewish Arts are inciting all this you know like that he's covering a story that even as he's covering it He can't even get himself to say I believe this I believe this is true. Yeah, I don't know if any of this is true, but hey, it suits the narrative. That is what it said. And that's bananas. Yep. That's bananas. It's irresponsible. I mean, you, I'm okay. It definitely shows that he reports what he wants to be the narrative. I mean, I guess you have to report it like, I listen, I know this isn't true. Then stop. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I, after you say, I don't know if this is true, you should

just stop, right? Mm-hmm. Because I mean, it's not like when I'm just throwing shit out there. I don't know if it's true, but I'm not reading something that I'm about to present to you as a good argument. No, it's always fine to like spitball some stuff or like some ideas talk out an idea, but it's not really great to cover news articles on your news show with the preface of this could be bullshit. And there's a few telltale signs like I've never heard of where it's from and there's a bunch of typos in it. Ah, seems like this might be a prime example of a fake thing.

Yeah, and it sounds like exactly the kind of thing that someone in my community might write with the Patriot X stuff. Yeah, yeah. Wow, this really fits right into what I believe almost as if somebody who believes exactly what I believe wrote it. Odd.

It's probably true though, because I've seen so many other things. It's totally, yeah. I see it all the time. This is, if this is fake, it's just a good thing. It's such a good thing. Yeah. So we have one last clip.

And it's a caller who wants to ask Alex about old Hutton Gibson. And maybe, maybe some other things that Hutton has said have come out by this point. Uh-oh. Because Alex has a little bit of a different answer. Bob, where were you calling from i call right up our you a good they have a few for a couple years and i love you like a brother you tell the

truth right on and uh... but i disagree with the one point but first i wanted to talk to you a little bit about the day is a patch i want to see that on wednesday very moving all christians should go see that movie it's incredible i'd caw and quite a sturasia well aware with the Gibson family, Hutt & Gibson and Mel, of course, but particularly they seem to be after Hutt & because it was used on the Holocaust and he types of things. Now he never told me those views. I've asked him

about that a year ago and he said different something different so he did. Sure did, you know. He's not backing down, is he? And I just told you about a year ago. Well, I've just talked to Hutt & I said you know he's not backing down and i just told you about a year ago uh... there's a hard talking to hutt and i said you know i've heard this and uh... you know hutt and gibson says the catholic churches corrupt hutt and gibson uh... things and he rightly so that almost everything is infiltrated it is i have a contract and uh... he doesn't like it where you can ask about that oh cool your speak into the audience. This guy is trying to tell you how great it is that Hutton denies the Holocaust on time. Yeah,

yeah, he's up backing down. Backing down. Is he always he about to tell me that the Holocaust happened because I do not agree, but I think that's why Alex keeps talking. Yeah, he knows that that he's starting to get angry. He's starting to get an inkling and register. Uh oh, Holocaust and I are on the phone. So the weird thing is Alex is kind of distancing him a little bit from those ideas and from Hutton being a Holocaust and I heard, you know, just being like, I talked about it. I didn't know I didn't know this stuff. But then he's also making excuses for it and being like, ah, you know, he thinks everybody's corrupt. I mean, yes.

He talks himself all the way around to they're just saying this stuff to attack Mel. Yeah. And Alex is, I guess, fine with it. I mean, there's- But why wouldn't he be? Everyone around him is a holocaust. Exactly. Exactly.

That he believes it happened is under debate, but I guess is possible. He has not given concrete reason to think that he doesn't. But if he does believe the Holocaust happened, he is a minority in the people who are on his show. Yeah, when he goes to a party, there are very few people who agree that the Holocaust happened at that party. Yeah. If any. I mean, I think we've talked about this before, but it bears repeating that it is just surprising how much of this is just on. It's been much

full display. It's been there for a year. Yeah. I think, I think the world could have done with a better understanding of what this was at that time. And it could have cut some of this off at the past and really restricted Alex to a place where he was understood to be what he is, which is fairly storm-frontish, maybe not as bad and explicit and dangerous as that, but maybe storm front light. Well, with the, with sprinkles the front, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to say, I think one of our big problems with this is actually a parental advisory lyrics. That kind of thing.

I, I mean, no, not really, but, the fact, you know, you know who fought against those? The fact that we can use euphemisms as though they're not the same words. You know, like, oh, no, no, you can't say fuck, say fridge. That's absurd. And it doesn't make any sense. And that is also why we are allowed to get people like Alex who say the exact same shit.

But they use euphemisms and so you go, oh, well, that's acceptable. Yeah, you hide behind the plausible deniability of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slightly different language. If I say fudge you, I fucking mean it, you know? That's the idea here. And when he says, oh, you know, Hutton, he thinks the cat looked churches corrupt.

He's saying the same thing. He's saying that, yeah, the Holocaust didn't happen as we understand it, but everybody's corrupt. He's saying the same thing. He's saying that yeah, the Holocaust didn't happen as we understand it, but everybody's corrupt. Exactly. Like okay. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good enough. That's not good enough. You are either agreeing or saying it is okay. Especially in the context of just earlier in this episode, he's talking to Donald DeGran Prix, who believes that the Holocaust was faked to gain the sympathy of the West, totally, for Jewish people so they could more easily take over society. Yeah, I mean, I mean, what are we doing? That's why it's an even more insane argument, especially in their world, is because the

argument isn't like, oh, did the Holocaust happen or not? You can be on the spectrum. The argument is, should we be mad at Jews for the Holocaust? Yeah, some of those folks definitely have that. I mean, isn't it? Even if you think it's real, it's like, well, yeah, but it's their fault. They did it. And you're like, what?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Messy. So much for going back to the past for a break, right? Jesus. Damn it. You can't win. No.

Alex like passion with the Christ though, and I hope that that chapter has come to a close because it seems like these 2004 episodes, it's been kind of a like game of like build up towards the the the crescendo and hopefully that's this. Yeah, that's because I can't take much more of him yelling about the ADL creating 80 70s by critiquing Mel Gibson. Cheese.

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