Knowledge Fight - #837: March 11, 2004

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to enjoy some vintage Alex.  In this installment, Alex gets real passive aggressive with a caller and covers a couple shootings at secret society initiation...s.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I Ready Not knowledge fight Damn and Jordan I am sweating Knowledge party that come it's time to pray I have great respect for knowledge, but knowledge fight It's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge, babe. Knowledge, babe. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Chang-E are the bad guys. Knowledge, babe. Dan and Jordan, knowledge, fight. I need money. I need money. Andy and Pansley. Andy and Pansley. Stop it.
Starting point is 00:00:42 Andy and Pansley. I need Andy. It's time to pray. Andy and Pansley, you're only here a place for holdings. And the end of the day I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that
Starting point is 00:00:58 I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm gonna have to say that I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe Indeed, we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? There's a great spot today, buddy Well, I think Conceivably my bright spot could be some thoughts. I had about the real world road rules challenge sure
Starting point is 00:01:19 But see if I play but we talked at length about them already Yeah, so there's no need to rehash These points it's always fun when we're friends off the show and then we're like ha ha fool you people who listen Well, I'm making up for lost time a little bit because you'd been telling me like that you were watching these newer C. Jones and all this and I was like Baha humbug no I used to watch this show and I I no longer have the taste for it. You did Bahaombug me, that's true. And I think if the show was exactly the same
Starting point is 00:01:51 or like if it was the same in some of the ways that I had a problem with the old one being, I think I would Bahaombug this still. Fair. But yeah, we're catching up now. I'm watching some of this show and I have to tell you what I thought because I didn't get to back then.
Starting point is 00:02:05 I understand. So that's not my bright spot. No. But I found some, I showed you also right before the show in my bedroom. I found some foliage things you can hang on the wall. Yes. And so I have decided to turn my bedroom into a jungle. I can't, you know, you can't make the walls run with vines. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Eventually you're going to crack into the walls. That's just going to be something that gets out of control. That's just how it works. I wish it was possible. I know. But, you know, when you live in a building with other people and it, it's just not going to work. Respect is respect.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Yeah. So, the next best thing is these squares that you can put on the wall. They have fake aster to basically coming out of. And so I will have my walls lined with plant, fake plants. What's great about it is that for you, it's coming from a genuine place of like, like there's so many guys who could be doing something
Starting point is 00:03:05 like this and you're like, you're gonna be real creepy to women when they show up, aren't you? That's what's going on here. I just want the outdoors inside. I know you're like, I like this one. Yeah, I also have a couple of some flowers and stuff to put into like, you know, spruce it up.
Starting point is 00:03:22 Sure. And my friend Angela Lampsbury told me about these lights that are like fireflies. See, this is what I'm saying. Yeah. And so I'm gonna put those around too. Put the firefly lights in. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:03:35 This is 100% of recipe need to be creepy to women and you are so excited for you personally. And no one. You bet. You bet. And I'll, I'll, I'll'll I was trying to figure out a way to Bray Wyatt whenever people put their lights up sure he's fireflies sure and I was thinking of the way
Starting point is 00:03:55 to try and work that in as a joke. And it just didn't work. Well, so what's your bright spot? My bright spot Dan is I get you know I've been been alone living by myself without my wife for a while. Yeah over in Portugal. My bright spot, Dan, is, you know, I've been a little bit alone, living by myself without my wife for a while, and over in Portugal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I rearranged the entire living room.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Just moved everything around, set it up in a completely different direction because you can only control what you can control. That is true. If you're worried about things you can't control, how does that stupid? You can't control them. Take control of the things you can control of. You are, you know, this is a lot like the serenity prayer.
Starting point is 00:04:35 That's how I do it. That's how I do it. I am a man of serenity. That's what people describe me as most often. Well, I mean, the word is most closely associated with that episode of Seinfeld, where George is dead, yells serenity now. Fair.
Starting point is 00:04:49 So you are in that mold. I have something of an ironic relationship to serenity. So now let me ask you a question. Sure. Do you know why I was doing that baseline while you were talking about that? I do not. Do you know what that baseline was? I was busy talking, I only listened to myself talk. I have no idea what you've ever done.
Starting point is 00:05:06 I've literally never listened to a word you've said. Well, you were talking about rearranging furniture. It was a baseline to limp biscuits song rearranged. I can't believe I didn't just know that. Of course. So crazy. It's iconic. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:20 So you're going to move it back when she gets back or before she gets back? No, no, no, no, I did a much better job. It's way more functional. I think way more practical. It functions like an actual living room instead of just being a collection of shit we've thrown on the ground. Yeah, I mean, I think the last time I was over at your house, the living room was set up where the couch and the tables had been turned into a giant bed
Starting point is 00:05:46 in the middle of the room. Yes. Yes, that was what I had created couch bed. Yes. That was a regular situation. Yeah. And there were a couple of nooks for Fanny and Jake to hide in. Right.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Right. You've not seen since we have removed all of that and replaced it with a giant feedback. And I feel like I told you about the feedback. I think And I feel like I told you about the bead bag. I think so, yeah. Yeah, I told you about the bead bag. But the bead bag, we tried to put it in the same place as other stuff and we'd had it there for about a year or so, but it doesn't make any sense there.
Starting point is 00:06:14 It's a terrible place for it. So I just finally moved it all to the right spot and it feels great. All right. Awesome. I nailed it. She's gonna love it and if she doesn't, I mean, I'll be back to couch back. I don't think she can pick it up
Starting point is 00:06:27 Well, that's the ultimate victory I suppose Absolutely So Jordan today we have an episode to go over. Yes, and it's short. Oh, we're gonna be we're gonna be in it out of here So I you know, there's present day stuff, you know We had the Stephen Crowder announcement on Wednesday, and I I, you know, there's present day stuff, you know, we had the Stephen Crowder announcement on Wednesday. And I felt like, you know, I don't want to just talk more about that. Who gives a shit, right?
Starting point is 00:06:51 Check back in and, and what have you? Yeah. In the meantime, I've been trying to find episodes to cover for our UK tour, which, hey, a lot of fun. I believe you. Your, your, your problem is you're discarding the woods that don't work and then not just turning them into the episode we do the next day. Shit.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Did you did that never even occur to you? It kind of did, but I thought like some of them you listen to the hours of the show and then just tossing it aside. Well, yeah, yes, some of them. I don't know if they would even be all that interesting for a playing episode of our show. No, of course. But yeah, I have two of the shows, two of the four, two of the four.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Nailed down. Nailed. But the pursuit for the other two has been a challenge. I'm looking forward to the, I'm looking forward to us being on like that day before one of them just being like I guess we're doing this show from today. Oh shit. I forgot to prepare my speech. I better cut some clips. Oh no. On the weight of the menu. So I've been doing a bit of that and then also listening to the 2004 because I like to keep up with that We're gonna get to the election eventually
Starting point is 00:08:07 It's gonna be great. I'm looking forward to figuring out swift boating and when that came around It seems like it should have been their way in advance of now and where we're at is a No man's land. Yeah March 2004 the beginning of it is Walking through mud deep mud just up to my knee. I'm guys just, ooh, there's nothing in here. Ooh, I got nothing to grab onto to help me move faster through this mud.
Starting point is 00:08:35 It is just a tortured metaphor of a- There's Johnny Questin quicksand. It's so bad. So today we're gonna be talking about the 11th March, 3-11, 2004. All right. Still not much going on, but but there's enough and I have a few points Be worth make 311 is enough. Yeah Does episode's all mixed up. Yep. Don't know what to do. I don't know what to do next thing
Starting point is 00:08:59 You turn around and find the person is you oh no follow trick might be the thing But you know to be the last so just yeah, you know you can't do a shitty reggaed cover of a cure song. I just feel like it's wrong. I understand. You gotta trust your instincts. That's me. That's me. Let go overgrace. Let go overgrace. Alright. Okay. Let's bet on ourselves and say hello to some new walks. and say hello to some new wags. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha the cat lands on a bucket of soda bite poop. Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next buck, nobody, the graveyard janitor wants to give Celine all the catnip.
Starting point is 00:09:51 Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. The thought is really appreciated on behalf of Celine, but I will say she's not a drug user. She's not a catniper. No, I've tried to mess with her with the catnip and give her toys with catnip and it doesn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:10:05 Nope. And she sees through the laser pointer. She's a chiseled asshole. Yeah, I know. Uh, next, Paul M. Thank you so much. You're an outpulles. You want. I'm a policy walk.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Thank you very much. And hello, Govnaz, go blind me, but that Alex Jones does sound like a Berkeley hunt. A burk. I think they're trying to trick me into saying something that's offensive there. I believe it's rhyming slang. Oh, is it Cockney rhyming slang? It's Cockney rhyming slang.
Starting point is 00:10:32 I tip my hat to your gents. Thank you so much, you're an out policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Drifted a little into Australia, though. Although, if I, I mean, my rhymes are not the greatest, but I'm going to go with, I don't think we in America want to rhyme with Berkeley hunt all too often No, that's what that's what that's what that gave me a little suspicion
Starting point is 00:10:51 Well, I mean we're in the States we can rhyme mm-hmm. Yeah, and we have a technical great in the extort So thank you so much to this is not cocking your rhyming slang, okay, but thank you so much to snicker doodle and the disciples of E-TEP, thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. For start, the honky mother tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, satamite sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser, little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So Jordan, real quick. Yeah. I feel like we need to resolve the whole
Starting point is 00:11:30 C word situation between the UK and the US. Oh yeah. You know, like the you in color, fine. I don't care if there's a difference there. I don't care who, I don't care which side we land on. I just want standardized English between the two. The, um, the you is in the food fighters out, the color in the shape.
Starting point is 00:11:48 Yeah, I see. So we have to, we're fine with that. No problem. Let that one ride. I kind of agree with you. And I think that this is the best argument for a world government. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:57 We just got to standardize. Just if you were. Is it offensive or not? That's all I want to know. I'll accept a UN one-world government as long as we just determine for good. For good. No no backseats. Well, but isn't your dog's name offensive in England?
Starting point is 00:12:14 I don't think it's offensive. It's just a reference to the front bottom, my friend. But I think it's a pretty, it's like a course term. I mean, it can be used as a course term. But I'd be about, I pussy is a course term. Oh, whoa it can be used as a course term. But I mean, pussy is a course term as well. Whoa! As well, bro! We use it and we do not use the seawater in the same way.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Now do it. I guess we don't. Yeah. Yeah, we should have some standardization. I agree. And then we all get rid of the metric system. Wait, I would go the other direction. I think I actually meant to say the other thing.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Okay, I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. We get rid of everything but the metric system. And I do mean everything. What's it called? What's our system called? The non metric system? It's a name. The DOM system.
Starting point is 00:12:55 The base 12 makes more sense than base 10 system. What do you want from it? That sounds right. Yeah, that does sound right. So we're gonna talk about March 11th, 2004. Okay. But we're also going to talk a little bit about March 10th, 2004, because there's a little bit of something that's happening that was really bothering me.
Starting point is 00:13:15 And this is, during this time, there was a shooting at a Masonic temple. And Alex will not, he's talking about it a lot. Yeah, I mean, that's red meat. And it's getting annoying. Yeah, it wasn't accidental shooting. Sure. And we'll talk a little bit more about it. But yeah, he's covering it on the 10th.
Starting point is 00:13:36 And here's some of his business. He has some ideas about how this is being investigated. Okay, okay. I was spurred to expand on this on the website because it's so important. This was out of New York Daily News, it's also out of the associated press. I have a total of four different articles on this. New York Daily News, a secret of initiation ceremony in the basement of a long island Masonic Lodge went tragically wrong when a member mistakenly pulled out a loaded weapon and fatally shot an inductive
Starting point is 00:14:12 in the face, police said Tuesday. And William James, 47 of Medford, New York, was pronounced dead at the scene of Monday Night Shooting inside the Southside Mason lodge said sub-accounting detective lieutenant jack pitch patrick first thing we need to do is find out if jack pitch patrick he's a cop he's got the last name pitch patrick he's in new york uh... all right now we're getting a bit he's amazing no reason for that what's the focus of the
Starting point is 00:14:43 constabulary the power structure what And they just say they're sure it's an accident. Yeah man. He's names fits Patrick One more to have to say he's amazing. Oh, so everyone got the fuck out of hair. Where worship in the devil all Irish Cops in New York are amazing. Who's that? Yeah, I guess I feel like I feel like that's not how that worked. No, no.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I mean, this is classic Alex. And I love that, just that instinct to make shit up. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. So there was this shooting at this mixonic lodge initiation ceremony in Long Island and it deserves days of coverage. Yeah, of course. So these people were putting on a show where the initiate was seated with cans in front
Starting point is 00:15:30 of them and someone was going to fire blanks while someone else knocked over the can sneakily. But the guy doing the shooting accidentally used his own legally carried licensed gun instead of the one with blanks and he killed the initiate. Upon realizing what had happened, they called called for help but it was too late. The guy who shot him was 76 years old and I could totally see how a mistake like this would happen. It's not like something that seems like, oh I can't believe this.
Starting point is 00:15:58 No, yeah, if you're a bunch of people playing with guns and then you have a borderline oxygenary and holding a loaded real firearm at the same time. You could have put it in the front of the bunch. Why isn't there like a hobby? When you walk in the door, just put your gun in the coming home. Like that seems reasonable. That would have been my policy. Oh boy. So the grand master of the New York Lodge put out a statement clarifying that the whole cans and a gun thing isn't actually amazing approved ceremony. Why? Who would have guessed? I can't imagine the secretive
Starting point is 00:16:37 organization that has control of the world is trying to scare people with poking sticks into cans to make it look like they're shooting guns. It would be, it would be very hard to sell me. Okay, so I go in there, I'm gonna be initiated into your thing and you guys are like, listen. Oh. We're hundreds of years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:56 Our organization in the shadows, run and shit. We're big deal. All right. Everyone's in hood. Here's what we do. The ceiling is bleeding. Here's what we do. We do to initiate you exactly what eight year olds in the rural south do to practice
Starting point is 00:17:12 hitting squirrels. But they don't do that. They don't practice hitting like to shoot squirrels by knocking over those cans with a stick. No, that's true. I thought they were going to shoot them. No, yeah. Yeah. So this is a prank that that particular group woven to their ritual without the higher-ups approval Oh my god. The grandmaster went on to say that quote guns positively do not play a role in any officially sanctioned ceremony The guy who did the shooting played guilty to criminally negligent homicide and got five years probation Sure in court. He cried about what had happened and how the deceased was his friend. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:17:47 It's just terrible stuff. Tragedy for the shooter and even more so for the family members who lost a husband and father, but they're really all just props for Alex. Yeah. This story involves the Masonic Lodge and this is an election with two skull and bones candidates. So this is fucking red meat for him. It's so good.
Starting point is 00:18:04 You couldn't ask for a better narrative. Yeah. He loves it. I mean, come on folks. Guns, just don't put them in, and I, that, fine. We're gonna have guns, there's no escaping them. There's no escaping guns, but if you just don't put them in your rituals, you're gonna save somebody's life.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Well, you introduce an interesting question, and that is, what is it that Alex is mad about here? Like, what exact, what act that took place is Alex upset about, because it can't be that reason that he's gone. It owns it in his pocket. Registered? Everything's right.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Everything is a plunge right. He's carrying legally. The ritual is protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. Everything's right. Everything is. Everything is right. He's carrying legally. The ritual is protected by the First Amendment of the United States. It's performance. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I mean, he has the right to carry it loaded. Mm-hmm. It's, it is a concealed carry New York State, right? I believe so. And I, well, for everything, everything he did was legal, except for the shooting. Right. That was the big problem there.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Yes. Now, I'm going to throw this out there. And that is a mistake. It does seem like, though, that is the main purpose of a gun to do the thing. Yes. The thing that we all agreed was the problem in this. Well, the only problem in this scenario is that he had two guns. He should not have had two guns. Right. No, but
Starting point is 00:19:26 that's not the same. That's not what it is for Alex. No, because Alex thinks it's a murder. Alex thinks it's a premeditated murder. Absolutely. Yeah. Hey, that samurai shouldn't be carrying two swords. Get that one, Cassage, out of here. Well, if one's sharpened, one's dull for a prop than maybe not so alice here on the tenth goes on uh... to pretend that he's not alleging a gigantic conspiracy and uh... but maybe it's an accident that is blue this guy's head off just by accident he just have just so happen at the two guns in there and he just didn't know he just pulled one out well shot the guy in the head.
Starting point is 00:20:05 So happens we're finding these articles going back at other Masonic and a clan meeting. It's just magically somebody dies. And just so happens that Hiram Abiff, going to was killed by his fellow masons and they normally do do the simulated murders. But sometimes people seem to die. The police always say it's just an accident and somebody gets a few months in jail or has to have to pay a fine, but the sacrifice does take place.
Starting point is 00:20:38 We're not saying that happened here. No, no, no, we're sure the police officers are investigating right. There's no big deal, and just somebody's got their head blown off, they're sure. So Alex is playing coy there, but part of that is probably due to the fact that he's alleging a gigantic conspiracy, and I don't know if he wants the audience
Starting point is 00:20:56 to fully understand exactly how big what he's alleging is here. If what are you saying is true? Mm-hmm. It literally goes to the very top. Yes, the accidental killing is not actually an accident according to Alex. It was a pre-planned murder carried out as a ritual and the police investigating the crime are complicit with the mason's you know if it's
Starting point is 00:21:17 Patrick. And then the legal system is giving a slap on the wrist to the guy who carried out the ritual because someone has to pay a small price as also kind of a performance and the ritual had to be carried out. Alex's explanation for this is overcomplicated compared to believing that a 76 year old dude with two guns in his pocket could get them mixed up. Alex knows that his version of the story is a stretch which is why he buttresses it with these alleged cases of other Masonic initiation murders, which he provides no examples of. And also why he plays the, oh no, I'm sure it's an accident game there at the end. It's ludicrous.
Starting point is 00:21:52 He knows what he's saying is fucking stupid. And if the audience actually clearly looked at what he's saying, it's a bit much. There's a much easier explanation for this. Yeah, I, I, I mean, here's what I can't stop thinking about. No, I can't stop thinking about that this Masonic Temple, I, I want to,
Starting point is 00:22:10 I want to not believe this is true, but I do think it's possible that the leader was just going to his higher ups and was like, oh, we've got this idea for a prank. We're just going to add to the initiation thing. And he's like, listen, I understand why you think that's fun. But funny. I don't, I just don't think it's a good idea. I respect your creativity, but I don't want to do it And then this happens and then there's that he just walks into the room
Starting point is 00:22:33 Just walks into the room. No this happens and then it cuts to the next day The grandmaster is sitting at his desk like tapping a pen onto his folder. Yeah Sitting at his desk, like tapping a pen onto his folder. Yeah! Guy walks in. What's he doing? You are so fired. What's he doing, buddy? You're fired from the newspaper?
Starting point is 00:22:51 What we talked about. Do you remember what we talked about earlier? Ah, man. All right, we're gonna transfer you to a different one. So do you know anything about Hyrum Abyss? I do not know anything about Hyrum Abyss. Hyrum Abyss. Hyrum Abyss. I don not know anything about Hyram Abyss. Hyram Abyss. Hyram Abyss.
Starting point is 00:23:05 I don't think he's a real person. There was a hyram that's mentioned as one of the builders of Solomon's Temple, but he's become like a legendary Masonic character. Okay. In terms of like Hyram Abyss, the person, personage itself, is probably not what the
Starting point is 00:23:24 historical, the referenced hyrone is. But he's a, he was in charge of, as the story goes, the construction of Solomon's Temple. Three lower, this is again, just the story. This is the legend. This is not history. Yes, yeah. But as the story goes, three lower level masons are cost him and demand that he tell them the master Mason secrets he refuses and then they try to get the secret out of him by torture and Ultimately killing it's not a ritual killing like Alex would want it to seem right and the message of the story seems more about like secrecy And the existence of this lost word that died with him, this lost secret. The weirdest part is that they were all Irish cops.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Oh no, all of his Patrick's. So this is the only example of a Masonic killing that Alex offers up to support his argument here on the 10th. And I find it to be so weak. Yeah, that's, he's digging back to the time of the building of Solomon's time. I heard of it. This is not news.
Starting point is 00:24:22 I've listened, you know, I understand. As bad as blaming people for Jesus's death is, man, this one goes back way further. You can't hold a grudge on this one any longer. You just can't. A biff, a biff. Hi, I'm a biff, sounds like one name too. It doesn't sound like two names.
Starting point is 00:24:43 It's also a pretty cool name. I would, I give it to the Mason. I would like. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:24:51 I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:24:59 I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. the rest of the gaps. So on the 11th, Alex covered, there's a big story on the 11th, honestly, and Alex barely covers it, but he does cover it at the beginning of the show. Okay.
Starting point is 00:25:11 All right. Let's dive straight into the news. Explosions in Madrid, burst open train cars, scattering bodies, filling more than 170 people and wounding more than 600 at the height of the rush hour commute according to witnesses and interior minister, Angel Ace Bees. I'm pronouncing that right. A series of explosions. I'm going to go after passenger train. Here you know. The grid area is the day. The blasts which came just days before the Spanish general elections were so powerful, the train cars were burst open in bodies of passengers blown out into the roads and don't worry they'll catch a few patsies and torches of the living daylights of them. What? It's been caught blowing stuff up again and now they're
Starting point is 00:25:54 admitting that there's not even a real election in Russia. The same thing goes on in Spain, England, the US, over and over again they'd blow stuff up right before elections and you vote for whoever's in power to save you. So the Madrid train bombings were not a false flag. And in fact, we're carried out by local terrorist groups, a group in Spain. Yeah. They likely had involvement with Al Qaeda. There's one of the things that's almost really, really, really hard to definitively prove,
Starting point is 00:26:23 but there's a strong belief that they had involvement with our guide. The precise motive for the attack is not fully known and it may actually have been slightly different for different members of the cell itself. Interestingly in the aftermath of the bombing conspiracy theories began to emerge about who was responsible for the attack and the leading group in that was the right-wing peoples party or P.P. Prior to the election, they'd been in the majority of the Cortes Generalis, and in the immediate days after the bombings, they would point the finger strongly at the ETA, a BASC nationalist terrorist group. The ETA was a far-left organization in addition to being BASC separatists, so they were a prime target for the P.P.
Starting point is 00:27:05 but there was no evidence of their involvement in the bombing. Many believe that the existing government didn't want to accept the possibility of an Islamic terrorist organization being responsible because it would call into question the choice to send troops to the war in Iraq. The prime minister at the time of the bombings, Jose Maria Aznar was in power for that decision and was a member of the P.P. In the end, the center left party, the PSOE gained seats while the P.P. lost seats, making the PSOE the largest power in the Congress and shifting the presidency. A look at the polling data does show that in the weeks leading toward the election, the P.P. was looking like the presumptive favorites, but after the attack, public opinion shifted
Starting point is 00:27:50 sharply toward the PSOE. This was a really big upset, and the timing of the change of opinion is notable. With many analysts declaring the election result, a punishment for the PP, both for the unpopular decision to get involved in Iraq for their response to the bombing and the campaign of misinformation about blaming the ETA-Basks separatists. Yeah, that's called consequences. So this is a fascinating situation where Alex has a conclusion decided immediately after an event happens, which in this case is that the bombings were a false flag to terrorize the public and sway the election. In the end, the bombings weren't a false flag, but public reactions to it definitely did sway the election.
Starting point is 00:28:32 So in essence, the effect is what you'd expect to see if Alex were right. You know, there is a giant effect on the voting. Yeah. In logic, if you were to take what Alex, like the consequence existing as being proof of the if statement, that is what's known as affirming the consequent. In the formal structure, you'd see this as like, if a then b b therefore a,
Starting point is 00:28:59 this feels like it works oftentimes when you don't pay attention to it, but it doesn't. Take a real world example of this to see what I mean. Like, here's one. If I drank a bottle of vodka, I'm drunk. I'm drunk. Therefore, I drank a bottle of vodka. It doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:29:14 But when you're not paying attention to the relationship between ideas, it can be very easy to let something like this slip by and not realize that there's a hundred different reasons why B could have happened. Yeah. And the logical statement doesn't hold. Well, I mean, for me, I think the lesson that we should have and cannot maybe ever learn because it's in the government's best interest for us never to do so after 9-11 is that terrorists
Starting point is 00:29:45 acts are a consequence, not the inciting event. Well, let's put this a little bit more broadly. They exist within a continuum of actions that like one side didn't start, the other side didn't start necessarily. There's a confluence of things and to look at it look at it without context is right is right right it is it is in the governments of best interest to say they hate our freedoms it is not in their best interest to say well this is a large
Starting point is 00:30:17 tapestry of back and forth that has been going on since the fucking crusades or whatever you want to talk about you know sure you know that kind. Yeah, one article I was reading actually said that the crusades might have been partially a potential motivating factor for one of the people who was part of the terrorist cell. Why the fuck not? If you're gonna, you're already picking some random ass shit at the end of the day, you know, it's arbitrary which one you pick. Pick any number of crimes that you hate somebody for as far as the government is concerned. You know, you're arbitrary which one you pick. Pick any number of crimes that you hate somebody for as far as the government is concerned.
Starting point is 00:30:47 You know, you're not gonna run out. Sure. But in order to look at it like that, right, we would then basically get rid of the concept of a false flag. Because why would you ever have a false flag? It's the consequence of the government's actions. You know, it's not the government trying to do something in response to something, it is something responding
Starting point is 00:31:10 to the government's actions. So that's why it is called, that's why actually you would find other ways to share. Absolutely. That's fair enough. And I would say also one thing I wanna just make a fine point of in that clip, Alex is saying that they always do this before the election to mess with the election results. And that's fair, or at least in terms of what happened, there was a giant effect on
Starting point is 00:31:41 the voting results. Sure, sure, sure. But at the end of that clip, he said that it's to keep the people in power, in power to give you security as opposed to them, which is the opposite of what happened. Right. But I'm going to guarantee that when the elections happen, Alex is going to say that it was a false flag in order to get the PSO in power. 100%.
Starting point is 00:32:03 I guarantee it. 100%. So if he talks about it at all. Right. Yeah. Well, considering, I mean, this is a giant terrorist attack that happens. Yeah. And considering that there's really almost no discussion
Starting point is 00:32:14 of it outside of a little bit. Yeah. It's a little weird. Maybe you won't talk about it. Maybe. I don't know. So we had that long island shooting. Sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure, Mason. We have another one. Oh we had that long island shooting. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Mason's we have another one. Oh, but Mason's no. Oh, it's the clan. I don't know why. But here we are. Same difference, I guess. I've been talking a lot about the New York Daily News and other stories that have trying to find my KKK article. The came out along island with the Gillillotine and now the skull alters and Some bizarre type of torture chamber real quick. That's the way he's describing the Basement of the long island Masonic lodge there were like props and stuff around sure sure so there was like a guillotine Yeah, yeah, I got it. It's good on beyond it's like me putting folia jump It is it is like if you go to the Hell House where people,
Starting point is 00:33:07 like Alex's version of an abortion clinic is that Hell House like, no, step you in. It's your first time in the basement of a Masonic lodge. And it's a finished basement with like just some nice chairs. That's a bummer. You wanna get you down there. You wanna get you down the couch. It's just decorative. It's fun. Yeah, that's a bummer. You want to get you down there? You want to get you down the. Even if it's just decorative. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:28 You know, the Christian conservatism of, so what bushing all them are into, they're the same stuff in the tomb at Yale. And blowing this guy's head off, this Mason blue one of the initiates had off. And now there's a bunch of other articles about it as new horrors start coming out. But the police let an hour and a half of being there. It's a total accident we're sure of it. They normally don't declare that for a few weeks. Ranjuri looks at it, the DA looks at it. But man, they seem to know in these cases. Alex is misrepresenting when police
Starting point is 00:34:01 immediately say there's no signs of foul play. That doesn't mean that they're a-ha, nothing to see here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That means something very specific, but Alex can exploit the way that people see that. And the people who were there were incredibly cooperative. Of course they were. Their statements were taken.
Starting point is 00:34:18 This was a horrible tragic accident. Yeah. I mean, he might as well, if a refrigerator fell through the ceiling, and it was this guy's fault for shooting up into the ceiling And the refrigerator fell down the land and on this guy it would be that functionally the exact same level of tragic accident for the exact same purpose Yeah Are there cans on the ceiling that you're trying to shoot big ones, okay
Starting point is 00:34:40 I say these cases because it seems to happen Quite often that it's all just an accident. Man hit by a stray bullet in KKK and initiation ceremony. This is out of the Sydney Morning Herald. There's a lot of these articles we found but it's covering the US. A bullet fired in the air that doesn't happen. You don't fire bullet in the air and then have it have it hit somebody E30 yard from you that thing you know they always come down they have to come down they don't go in space of 600 yards away. Don't go into space Just the way the arc works, but
Starting point is 00:35:18 So that shows that that's ridiculous a bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan those, that's ridiculous. A bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and struck a participant in the head, critically injuring him, authority said. By the way, it didn't strike one of the idiots standing around in the satanic regalia. It didn't, it of course hit the initiate, the person being tortured.
Starting point is 00:35:42 Just magically in these cases hits them, but it's always an accident Gregory Allen Freeman 45 with charge with aggravated assault and reckless endangerment in the incident that wounded Jeffrey Murr 24 on Saturday night About about 10 people including two children had gathered for the white supremacist group ceremony And it says the man who was being initiated was white folded, tied with a noose to a tree, and shot with paintball guns as Freeman fired a pistol into the air to provide the sound of real gunfire Sheriff Ed Grable said. So Alex hasn't read this story or he's willfully lying, which you can tell because he's screwing
Starting point is 00:36:24 up a bunch of details in order to make it fit his narrative. Also, I don't know if the Clan and the Maasons are the same thing. I know they are to Alex, but I don't accept that premise. They are not the same thing. So here are just a few of the things that Alex got wrong in that coverage. First, the bullet that struck someone wasn't shot into the air and came down to hit somebody. This guy, Gregory Freeman, was hit by a paintball while he was shooting in the air, which caused him to fire off an errant shot that hit somebody. Oh my God. Yeah. Do you expect better from the clan initiates ceremony? Damn it. Yeah. The person also, the person hit by this errant bullet was not the initiate in the ceremony. Carl Mitchell, the third was the one being initiated by being tied to a tree and shot with
Starting point is 00:37:09 paintballs. Conversely, Jeffrey S. Murr was the guy hit by Freeman's bullet right in the head. Mitchell yelled at the rest of the clansmen to cut him down. And then he went on to provide first aid to Murr. So he seems like he passed that test. What a good initiate. Yeah. You know, he's tied to a tree and then a buddy gets shot in the head still trying to help. Yeah. Um, good dude. So yeah, there's a number of details Alex gets wrong here because if he didn't get them wrong and he reported this correctly, it would be a lot more difficult
Starting point is 00:37:39 to fit this into the mold of the story he's telling about the Long Island. Smash cut to the KKK guy go to the save Long Island Mason boss just be like, all right. We shouldn't have done the ritual part. I get that the paint balls aren't loud enough. It was just off. It was just off the Long Island thing. I understand that maybe we made a similar mistake, but you can't like man. I'm gonna have to let you go You're so fun. You're fired from the client fired from racism So Alex takes calls for most of the rest of the show
Starting point is 00:38:14 Yeah, and there's some conversation about what do the mason's even do like what good are they when I was growing up my best friend in elementary school, his dad was a Mason, and we went to the Mason, Masonic Temple a few times and play Magic Gathering. So I believe that the Mason's invented Magic, the Gathering, or Magic, whichever you choose. And have a community room where kids can play games.
Starting point is 00:38:41 I think it's a great community center. There's nice. I don't know. I mean, I know there's a number of charitable and community-based things that they're involved in. But the only one that this clip seems to take into consideration is a child's burn unit or something. Sure. And I only kept this clip in because Alex is a real dick. Now imagine, this is going all over the place. Imagine if you were I tried tried to get a place, looks like a mausoleum, do this kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:39:09 If we weren't Mason's man, we'd have police raids on us. Oh, yeah, they're doing it. But because they're doing it, oh, it's no big deal. People say, oh, they've got children's burn shooters. They can't be bad. I mean, it's ridiculous. Yeah, that's there in Tennessee. And ask yourself, what are the great tax ride off?
Starting point is 00:39:28 And how many burned children are there, really folks? Six. That's a big question. Thank you for the call. That's a big question. How many burned children are there, really? Yeah. Hey, asshole, helping these burned children.
Starting point is 00:39:41 How many of them are there? How many are there? What? Five? What are you talking about? You're wasting your time. Mass-hole, helping these burn children. How many of them are there? How many are there? How many are there? What? Five? What are you talking about? You're wasting our time. Wow.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I, you know what? I'm going to give, I'm going to give them one thing. All right. The Lions Club doesn't get this much shit. True. If you want it, if you want to not get as much shit, don't name yourself the Masons or whatever. Name yourself something weird like the Lions Club.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I bet they could be doing all kinds of evil shit. You wouldn't suspect the Lions Club of being behind the goddamn government. What do you bet they are? No one suspects the Lions Club. You don't want to suspect the Lions Club. You've got little fucking minutes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:21 And I want to say this to Alex. Yeah. You know how many burn kids there are? Way more than you think. So many. Yeah, and I want to say this to Alex. Yeah, you know how many burn kids there are way more than you think so many Yeah, so many you're trying to minimize there is definitely more there's so many fires every day Oh my god and skin grafts are so fucking expensive. Oh, yeah God and you just scars for it. Ah, but I was I just liked Alex's His response how many burn kids are how many burn kids are I think he thought like man I fucking nail I bet it's not even that big of a problem. Yeah, so another guy calls in sure and he wants to know a
Starting point is 00:40:54 Citation from Alex, which is always trouble. That is interesting. Apparently the globalists want to turn the United States into a third world country Hard that before and so this guy wants a little show me where that is uh... right now let's go to bill in ohio bill go ahead let's uh... listen i heard you i believe yesterday i feel that you are perhaps i guess at some point the reference to uh... individual who had without an article uh some time in the past referring to their
Starting point is 00:41:28 desire to see the United States or their belief, I guess, that the United States' extended living had to be reduced down to the level of the rest of the world. I'd like to know what publication was that? Hundreds, hundreds. I've heard MPR do have some known known natural TV the OECD organization of economic cooperative development has set it the IMF the World Bank has set it the Joseph's sickle until the World Bank when he quits that they're planning it the World Bank documents say it they're posted in the
Starting point is 00:42:01 interview section of info wars dot com it is the stated policy that we've got to lower our center of living you have it uh... on your website all over the place you know it's distributed to the where you can find it that's thousands of places yeah we got thousands of uh... references he got zero yeah uh... i mean i know that there is always talk of needing to reduce inequality. Reduce inequality in the world, and there's sort of voluntary changes to our consumption patterns and our standard of living that we can make.
Starting point is 00:42:40 We're not being forced to make. Globalists aren't making us make. And simultaneously, there's things that can be done to really help boost standard of living in the developing world. And these are the conversations that Alex takes and tweaks and turns into these thousands of references for this caller, which is useless. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:00 What, I'm not gonna look at every article from the NPR. What the fuck are you doing? Okay, okay, so here's what we do. Here's what I do if I was Alex. I'm creating my own in. I'm creating my great firewall version of the internet. I'm doing China's version of the internet. And then if I say something like this shit
Starting point is 00:43:22 where I'm like, uh, hundreds, thousands of articles, I would have somebody just like throw chunks of text like what I kind of said onto different articles all over the, so you could Google something I said, and it'd be like a fucking, a men's health magazine article from 1974 and it still pop up like, see, I told you this is what it's made,
Starting point is 00:43:44 everybody's saying it, it's everywhere. I mean this sincerely. Yeah. Even with the fairly early internet, when Alex was coming up, or you know, by 2004, it is what it is. You know, it's not present day, but you know, it's a functional internet.
Starting point is 00:44:00 It's still going, yeah. It would be fairly easy for him to provide his primary sources that are behind so much of this. And, you know, if you want to commit to like, this is all really just about Gary Allen and W. Cleanskows and and weird shit. My grandpa told me and then a bunch of science fiction books that I read. Then we could assess it based on that. You know, it's not fair to completely hide everything that you're basing your worldview on because you know you'd be laughed out of the room if you did. That is very much both cheap.
Starting point is 00:44:37 It is so much like, yeah, obviously it's not fair. And then you're like, well, obviously that's why you did it. You know, because if he, because that's the only way to do it, it's unfairly. Yep, cause it's just not fair. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:53 So, Alex complains quite a bit about churches, having 501, C3. I agree. Different reasons. Oh, I believe that. I believe that. Yes, I believe that too. And then he gets another call.
Starting point is 00:45:04 And this is pointless, the actual subject matter but i thought this was delicious passive aggression uh here's a question Alex how can we avoid being um you know having that having those things in our body you can't they're going to mount on these new police vehicles really quick she was asking about nanotech in our bodies because she's worried about nanotech in our bodies yeah because she's worried about being in food yeah and then because she's like oh they're gonna put tracker things in our food chair but then you would just go pass
Starting point is 00:45:34 through your system and I'll take not if there's nanotech in it lodges in your guts there you go so he's created a new thing for her to be afraid of science and so now she's like how do I avoid avoid this? How it's a good question. You can't. Lots of things Darth Vader would drive. Microwave guns, sound cannon. I'm not talking about the RFI feature. Well, no, I'm trying to just give you an example.
Starting point is 00:45:56 The RFI, you look. Huh? I was going to talk. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead. You asked the question. You ready? I'll tell you. How can we avoid getting those RFID chips in our body?
Starting point is 00:46:10 Okay. Well, let me go over that. Okay, sir. We'll know. I mean, I'll just tell you. I'm really concerned about this. This is pretty scary stuff. I'm going to tell you. All right. Oh, lady. Look, the product code, the universal product code, the bar code did not get fully accepted until 1986. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, this is Alex Furious in 2004. Yep, you're so mad.
Starting point is 00:46:38 Woo! Yeah! Love it. Yeah, that's such the difference in customer service between people who need something from you and people who think they own a captive audience forever. Yeah, that to me is just good, clean fun. Yeah, that is. Here and now, it's like, well, I was gonna answer.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I was going to say something. Uh huh. No, you go ahead. You go ahead. I'm just a guy with a radio show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely. All right, so papyrus, it's not just a word for fun. So Alex gets another call, and this guy brings up numerology. Sure.
Starting point is 00:47:32 And so Alex weaves it into symbols, maybe like the Saturnian cube. Oh God. Let us now talk to Kristen Florent, another caller from Florida. Go ahead. Good to be with y'all except i just wanted to uh... bring something to your attention and you've gone over numerous times about uh... are the directly between numerology in our wonderful
Starting point is 00:47:53 occult government uh... stock listen gentlemen today and apparently we figured out that uh... it's been exactly nine hundred and eleven days between the world's work trade center bombings and today's tax in spain oh uh... somebody ought to do the math on that email it to me or i should have a ha ha ha ha and uh... that they are obsessed with numerology and for those that are
Starting point is 00:48:15 doubting and here's an example and numerology and iconology icons i can't copy so all-seeing i dripping coffee into a cup uh... triple sixes everywhere the goddess symbol with the two serpents Coiled about and I mean again It is the back of the dollar bill. It's the time Warner symbol. It's everywhere. It's just amazing. I can't believe it It is just a man to believe it when you look around the psychopaths are not backing down We've got this stand up against them.
Starting point is 00:48:45 So I have two important points. What's that? First is that numerology and iconology, it's a, I don't know what they're connected. It's the same thing. It's okay, fine. Numbers, symbols, what is a number, but a symbol of a number?
Starting point is 00:48:57 I don't disagree with that. The numbers are in some ways symbols. But, yes, they are not the same in the context what Alex is saying. Second, Alex is talking about all this like this iconography, the dollar bill and the Starbucks having the all seeing eye dripping coffee into the goddess. This is all seeing eye drip coffee. Maybe back then did I don't know. But anyway, how different is this from what the
Starting point is 00:49:25 Q-shaman was saying? You know, like this idea that they put all these images around in order to give us bad energy or something, like why isn't in 2004? Why isn't Alex telling this caller that the globalists are just trying to feed Saturn? Because you didn't talk about the devil openly back then. You did a little bit. Well, you did not nearly to the level. You did in the like Pat Robertson, it's a life and death struggle against Islam. That's the way you talked about God. Alex talks about the devil in terms
Starting point is 00:49:57 that have the deniability of like, you think he's literally possessing people and demons and stuff. You know, I wonder how much bigotry really was like... Focus in towards Islamophobia in that time period where it would otherwise not have been. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I hear what you're saying. There was so much Islamophobia going on at the time. Yeah. How many people who were otherwise-
Starting point is 00:50:28 They were too busy. Yeah, they were like, oh, I would love to be bigoted towards LGBTQ people today, but I'm just too, Islamophobic because of the government and the media and stuff like that, you know? Like that's an interesting question. I don't know if it quite works that way. No, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's an interesting question to see if there's some sort of bottleneck where it's like a certain amount of cooperative racism bottles, you know?
Starting point is 00:50:55 Well, I do think a lot of it is based on fear, like, you know, or at least some of the ways that that bigotry gets hooks and people is through. Focused around fear. Yeah, appeals to fear. Yeah yeah yeah and certainly in the time around the Iraq war and after 9-11 the Zambafobia was very very attached to fear yeah yeah there was one fear and it was like the the it almost could feel like other bigotries you might have aren't as important because they're not as scary as
Starting point is 00:51:29 You know Muslims are being made out to be at this period of time. I don't know. I wonder if that's ever been studied I'd say I mean well, I mean you got a figure I just It should look into this I'm gonna be the world's pioneer on the I mean look into it and see if someone else is on the stuff obviously dad obviously of uh... no
Starting point is 00:51:52 the a group in a small town in the middle of fucking nowhere and there were people who were legitimately like what would we do in an actual like okay somebody's gonna terror attack our fucking town in the middle of nowhere. You know, like, that was a very real and present fear for these people. Sure. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:52:10 Yeah, I mean, I've not- I think I've told this on the show before, but on 9-11, I was in Columbia, Missouri in a high school class, in a culinary arts class or whatever, and they had us duck under the counter. You know, because like, there was some kind of an idea that maybe, you know, but there was just fear. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:31 And here's the problem, I think, with the studying, the specific thing that you're talking about. The only way you'd really be able to track it, I think, is finding people who were like aggressively Islamophobic and then seeing if they posted more broad hate afterwards. Yeah. And that, I don't know. It would be very difficult to quantify this. Oh, no, no, no, I bet self-reporting is going to be the way to understand this one for real.
Starting point is 00:52:58 I'm going to look at their Facebook timelines. So we have one last clip here and Alex has an announcement. All right. Dean and California working with Stephen Crowder. Yeah, hello Dean Hey, man, you're making a great impact all the way out here to the west coast I put up and there's a lot of mine diggers. Where are you in California? Well, I live in Manhattan Beach, but I work in Long Beach Well, you'll be able to hear me on Kogo and KFI and all of tonight. I'm going to be on coast to coast for a couple hours. I listen to that show regularly.
Starting point is 00:53:27 I'm going to definitely check out. Awesome. Yeah. So Alex is beginning to go on coast to coast at this point. I believe this one might actually even be his first appearance on coast to coast. I'm not sure. If it's not, it's his second. Let's say. Yeah. And this is, this is kind of something that I want to make a strong point of. George Norie is inviting
Starting point is 00:53:54 Alex on. And through negligence or ill will, he is giving Alex a giant career boost. Alex and him have both, you know, they've had conversations about how like it was one of the things that really took Alex to the next level, being on coast to coast. And I think that George Norrie sucks. I do. I don't know if he's as bad as a lot of Alex's guests, but he sucks. But I think he, as a radio show host, fell into all the same traps that everybody does. Alex is just an interesting guy.
Starting point is 00:54:33 He has some interesting opinions. The media thinks he's a crazy person. So let's talk to him. Then you don't listen to his show. And in 2004, he's having Nazis on all the time. He's had text Mars on just fairly recently. He has Mel Gibson's dad on. There's real problems with Alex's show.
Starting point is 00:54:57 And when you're somebody who doesn't really pay attention and don't, yeah, whatever, I'm not gonna listen to the shows of the people I book and provide a huge platform for. When you don't do that, you're going to get duped by the everyone's against him because he has kooky ideas. And that's so useful for Alex, it's so fucking useful. But this, at this point, should have been shut down.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Yep. Like, or at least not gone on coast to coast and gotten like probably, I don't know, a million new fans. No, that's probably the foundational bump for him. That was like the first bump that sustained growth. Yeah, because he goes back on coast to coast pretty regularly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but it is so much like
Starting point is 00:55:46 when we were coming up in comedy, you know, that like, I'm running my show, I'm gonna book people who can give me opportunities as well, you know, oh, this person runs a show, I'm gonna book them on my show because I can get booked on their show, not because I think they're super funny or because I watch them or because every time
Starting point is 00:56:04 I see them perform, I'm excited. I don't even really care. And that's when you get into situations where you're like, oh, he's always been nice to me. He's always been really nice to me. Well, I'm taking personal life out of this. Sure. So the analogy for you would have to be
Starting point is 00:56:20 you've never gone to see this person perform and you book them on your show. And then they do a fine standup set and you're promoting their show and on their show it's nothing but Nazi shit. I mean, well, I mean, that's fair. I mean, more of the interpersonal dynamics here. The dynamics at play are,
Starting point is 00:56:39 I am giving you this platform for an exchange and that exchange has nothing to do with performance I am giving you this platform for an exchange. And that exchange has nothing to do with performance, or your show, or the quality of your show. Yeah, I tend to like that. I do, it's an unequal exchange, obviously, because Nory has a larger audience. Sure, sure, sure. But there is a thing that Alex provides that he needs, which is, you know, just something
Starting point is 00:57:08 for the mill. Cred, no, no, no, I mean, crazy person. That's what I mean. You know, you're going to run out of things to talk about ghosts, you know, like eventually, you know, so you need a fairly regular supply of interesting people who are willing to say, shit, that's nonsensical. Right. Um, and so Alex can provide that for George, and George can provide him with a large audience.
Starting point is 00:57:34 Now, Alex isn't gonna sail this anti-Semitic bigoted shit on coast to coast. That's part of the arrangement. And I do wonder how much George Norrie would be conscious of that because I do think he sucks. I think he has terrible politics. He's annoying. He's a good at that must at. Nah, he's mustaches fine. But I don't know if he would be like not knowing Alex at all. Sure. Would he be willing to like get on board with like text Mars? Yeah. You know?
Starting point is 00:58:07 Yeah. I mean, but you know what? As I say that, I realize I don't know if text Mars has been on. Yeah. I was very well. Might have you. You're you're already way too late, my friend. I know Steve Puchanic was on.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Yeah. I suppose the question then is really this, is Alex just smart enough to, or just like savvy enough to unspoken, I'll never reveal how racist I am on your show. And I think there's a fair amount of K-thabe. Yeah, but I mean, he had no idea, just no clue, to the point where there was no need to have any conversation in advance of just like, hey, you know what you're supposed to not say, right? I not see.
Starting point is 00:58:53 I think that you'd have to watch a bit of Alex's show and you'd have to read between some of the lines and look into the people he's talking to and what they mean by the things that they say in order to get the character of the message that look into the people he's talking to and what they mean by the things that they say in order to get the character of the message that Alex is putting out at this time. So I don't believe the George Norris capable of that, given his schedule, you know, like it wouldn't be possible. You know, it has just really occurred to me
Starting point is 00:59:21 that we have never really wrestled with how much power just having three hours to talk is. Whoa. Yeah, yeah. It is a lot. It's for a daily show to have that much time. It's, it's, it's, but in order for it to actually have the power energized, you do need to also have an audience. Sure, sure, sure, but that's, I mean, you know, what you're there. But coast to coast as such a luxury of being like
Starting point is 00:59:49 one of the very few super late night, like actual shows. Right, right. You know, things are rebroadcast over night and what have you. But, you know, for the people who are staying up late, you know, that's what it's for. Yeah, I loved it. I mean, I hate listen.
Starting point is 01:00:05 In my time. I get it. It's all legs. I forgot about that. I forgot. Guys, a fucking idiot. Anyway, Jordan, yes, we'll have a be back for another episode on Monday. But until then, we have website. It's all legs junk. We're all so Twitter. It's not trying to comment. It's at Knowledge and Discourify. That is correct.
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