Knowledge Fight - #852: Tucker, The Man And His Twitter- Episode 5

Episode Date: September 23, 2023

In this installment, Dan blows Jordan's mind by telling him all about how Tucker Carlson decided it was worth his time to interview Larry Sinclair, the man who claims to have done drugs and had sex with Obama back in 1999.

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Yes. It's the real world road rules challenge. Season 20. Yeah. Holy shit. How did they have a 21st season? Like, not that anything that like the people do on it is bad But they're in the Czech Republic. Yeah, and okay, so for people who have never watched the show

They they have teams they compete in challenges and the people who lose have to face off for elimination The place that they face off in a battle for elimination as a different name every season. Yep. It's like the jungle themed name associated with the right. Yes. And in this season, it's called the Goolog, which is weird. Yeah. First strike. Specifically? Pretty bad. Not a good idea.

No. A little distasteful. But then, in the first episode, the challenge that they had to do to decide who would go into the gulag to face off her elimination, they had gas chambers, and people had to be in and solve a puzzle inside. And they kept calling it a gas chamber. They really did. And it was fucking uncomfortable. Yep.

Yep. I was like, how did this not get canceled midseason? How was like cancel culture wasn't non-existent back then this is it was horribly offensive Yeah, that was but how long ago was I the past didn't I'm telling you the past is different It's not what you remember. Yeah, it's not what any of us remember We all saw all that shit and didn't even blink If there was a season of the chat in South Africa, the amount of racist iconography around that at that time period would have been bananas.

Johnny bananas. Exactly. I was blown away. He would have been in black face. That's how racist it would have been. I was blown away. I thought like I remember things. I don't know if I had to have watched that season. Oh, I told when I was younger because it has the famous moment where CT wears Johnny bananas like a backpack. Yeah, it's never not played. Yeah. If you are talking about the challenge.

Yeah, and I remember that happening and you remember that happening in the gulag, Dan, that's where you remember that. I know thought all of our brains just filtered it out. This is totally that's what it was like to live 20 years ago. And my dad had the gulag archipelago in his, you know, in his bookshelf. I remember the name of that from those days. I was aware that book existed as a kid. name of that from those days. I was aware that book existed as a kid. What was you know, sometimes those meetings have to be absolute filled with with people who are just like completely devoid of I think you repeat the same word over and over and over and over again until it loses meaning. If you're in a writer's room for fucking two weekends, right, just trying to come up with any idea and somebody goes,

I don't know, we're in the Czech Republic, let's call the gulag, you're like, that's good enough for me, let's go home. It's time for lunch. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But here's the other thing. What? Those people who are on the show, the contestants,

they don't know basic trivia questions. They have no idea what a gulag is. Nope, they have, they don't know any of this fucking history. Mm-hmm. Oh, God. Anyway, you're on notice. They have no idea what a gulag is. Nope. They don't know any of this fucking history. Oh, God. Anyway, you're on notice. 20 years ago. Real world's first.

Yes, bro. What's your bright spot? My bright spot, like I said, it's not really a bright spot. It starts out as a very dark spot. Shohei Otoni has torn his, yeah. Man, but you know what? I hate to say this, but it's almost inevitable because he's shined so bright.

Well, that's, well, that's kind of the, he can't pitch right now. He'll, he's gonna have a second Tommy John surgery, but Lord knows what that'll do, you know. But the reason that it is a bright spot is because in just over three quarters of a season of baseball, Shoé O'Connor played the greatest season of baseball ever played by a man. And it probably ever will be played unless he does it next year. Right, right, right. You know, like that kind of thing.

Because he proved it's possible. He proved that it's impossible. There's what he has done is not possible. Like it is inconceivable and the best players on this planet look at him and go fucking what? Right, but he was the thing he did prove it's possible. He changed the paradigm in a certain way because he is human now granted He may be one of a kind in a once in a lifetime, once in a generation, once in multiple generations. I was having power in all of our lifetimes. But who's to say that there couldn't have been another of him with that level of talent

who never thought it was possible and never pursued the path as of being the best picture and an amazing hitter? Right, but you just did the same thing that is going to happen earlier where you went, you know, it's kind of a inevitable really that he tore his thing because he's shown so bright. So that's the twin, that's what you've just described as the twin. Oh, he's just showed it's possible and at the same time, he showed it's impossible. So no one will tell people to do it, but at the same time, he did it, so why can't you do it? My man, it's the best of times, it's the worst of times.

And that's, and that's where it is. There are two wolves inside every show. Oh, yeah, that is kind of that is kind of the concept though of like it is only possible and it's only exciting and it's only something that you can think about through the lens of this particular sport. And so it's very cool. It's a cool thing that happened and you got to experience it. Oh, yeah, total. You were fortunate enough to be around and enjoying it. So that's a bright spot. It's amazing. So it is a bright spot. Yes. I got to witness. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, we're on martyr. Isn't that mean witness? That does mean witness. Anyway, Jordan, we're in Europe. We're banking these episodes in advance. Yes. So currently we are somewhere. I don't know. I don't know the order. These are coming out. It'd be fun if we were in the sky. We might be.

We might be in the sky. Or we might be on a train on not unlike the orient Express, so then a murder. I want it. I swear to you. Right. I wanted a distance to take that we could have taken a sleeper car. I wanted to take it over. I thought you were taking one from Glasgow to Manchester. Now we

can't take an overnight for two hours. Yes, we can. Okay. Alright, fine. We'll take the sleeper car and then we murder. Then we murdered. Yes. And then it turns out to it was everyone spoiler alert. It was everybody at the same time. Yeah. And we were, uh, we went in order of names in the alphabet. Right. Spoiler alert for the ABC. And they're actually, we're all actually one person spoiler alert for identity. Oh, I was going agatha Christie. You went a direction.

You went a bad John Cusack movie. I want a bad John Cusack movie. How do you even remember that I have no idea? I remember it too. How do you remember it? I worked at a movie theater when that came at that's a good point. Yeah. How do I remember it is even Weirder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Weird. Was it all John Qsac? I thought it was wait. I thought everybody was inside these personalities. Yeah. All in his mind. Yeah, they're all hanging out talking and they're arguing about who's good or bad, right? Yeah, and then later it's Like a killer. It's like a kid who's in a band is the kid. It's a good thank God. We don't actually remember. yeah, that is good otherwise it'd be relief. Yeah, so anyway, we're in Europe, okay But we have an episode to do we're gonna be talking about an episode of Tucker

You know, hey, but these are these are ever green's you know That's the kind of thing you can do in advance and it'll still be relevant or it will be as irrelevant Yes, yes. So we'll get down to business on that. But Jordan, first, let's say hello to some new ones. Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, Pikmin 4 is a delight. And I really hope Dan is enjoying it thoroughly.

Thank you so much. You are now, policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you, Anne. Here's the thing. I love Pikmin 4 and I've enjoyed it. But I've not finished it.

And here's the reason. Huh? We're about to get into a weird time loop. Right. Because I am saving it and tell our flight because I can play the switch on the plane. Right. So I want to have something that I really enjoy that I can use then. And so the rest of Pikmin 4 is waiting for me in the sky.

I have a sleeping pill. Nice. Next, Lago Morph dice. Thank you so much. You are now a policywank. I have a sleeping pill. Nice. Next, Lago Morph Dice. Thank you so much, you are now a policywank. I'm a policywank. Thank you very much. Okay, next, congrats to Bree for getting her PhD. And hello to Matt, who doesn't have one.

I'm disappointed that didn't rhyme, but you are a policywank. I'm a policywank. Thank you very much. I said the same thing. Next, Will, previously chief globalist of Arkansas and currently chief globalist of Tennessee. Thank you so much you and our policy won't. I'm a policy won.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Veronica knows putting on a ritz, hang to a taco. Thank you so much you and our policy won't. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. You get that?

Uh, not particularly. That song putting on the ritz. No, I understand putting on the ritz. Do do do do do do go. But that's putting on the ritz. No, I understand putting on the Ritz. Yes, but that's putting away the ritz. It's putting on the roots. That was by Taco. Ah, the band is Taco or the singer is Taco. Weird. Anyway, we have a technocrat in the mix Jordan. So thank you so much to Colin from Canada, but not the one from Red Letter Media. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat.

I'm a policy walk. For start, the honky mother tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, someone, satamite sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you very much Great sea from young Frankenstein, right? Isn't that what the Mel Brooks move? Yes, they put on the ritz they did do putting on the ritz with You know Wilder and what's his face good time from everybody loves Raymond? Uh-huh. Yeah, wait everybody loves Raymond No, you're talking about Ray Romano. No, you're talking about Brad Garrett. No, you're talking about Patton Oswald. No, you're talking about Wait, that was King of Queens. You were here. I was gonna say I was like wait, was he talking about Andre Brower? Wait, that was my name. A certain age.

What are the Ray Romano shows are there? None. Are you talking about Jonathan Taylor Thomas? Home Improvement. Yeah. But you lost the connective tissue of the Ray Romano. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

I forgot about the... I just went straight from... Wait, King of Queens didn't have Ray Romano on it? What am I thinking? I have no idea what you're talking about. I've just been at your whims. For everyone, a little bit of context, we are recording this after recording another episode.

So there may be a little bit of loopy. A little punch truck. A little loopy. Yeah, a little bit. So Jordan, yes. As we're recording this, in the recent weeks, Tucker is taken to his Twitter show. And it's gone from being a weird meandering monologue format and he's done a series of Psychophantic interviews with horrible people the run started with the tape brothers Andrew Tate and his brother whose name I have learned a couple times

And oh Tristan. I forgot it and then I remembered it. Yeah, and he went on to RFK Jr. and Tristan I forgot it and then I remembered it. Yeah, then he went on to RFK Jr. and Vivek Ramaswamy sure Trump and then the Hungarian far-right president Victor Orban. What? Yeah, he didn't interview with Orban so Okay, and he put out on his Twitter feed a speech that he gave in Hungary that is Troubling you know, I I How about this let me throw this out at you i've i've done some interviews that's nice sure and i imagine if i interviewed any head of state realistically you have to say this person has made decisions

that have killed another human being right this person said shoot this but i imagine that a lot of those people doing this interview uh... people take that as red. Right. But Victor Orbin's a little bit more of like a, that guy might have pulled the trigger on somebody who disagreed with him. That's a different type of interview in my head, you know. Sure, but, but, um, you know, he's very beloved in the Trump sphere. Sure. Tucker in particular really likes Orban. Well, I know, you know, but that's a now thing, you know, that's like, hey, I'm Prince Mahama bin Salman's favorite journalist now. Right.

You don't want to know what happens when it's the later. It's true. Yeah. So we're going to be covering another in that series. Uh-huh. Uh, do you know who this might be? No. This is why it's so much better when you're off social media.

Yeah. I've just, I have no idea. Okay. Well, here's the first clip. Okay. In retrospect, it's pretty amazing that Barack Obama got as far as he did. It's number one. In 2004, the summer of 2004, Barack Obama gave the keynote address of the Democratic Convention in Boston. And when he walked to the podium, probably only a small percentage of people in the room knew how to pronounce his name. He was totally unheard of. No one knew Barack Obama. At the time, he was a state senator in Illinois. So 40 years later, he once again spoke

to the Democratic Convention, but this time as the nominee. Medi-York doesn't begin to describe it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it.

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And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. And you'll know it. campaign they paved the way for his rise. He spent two years pointlessly in the United States Senate preparing to run for president in 2008 and of course in the NT one. But the question was who was this man? So there is something interesting

about that like no one knew how to pronounce his name and it just makes me think of that interview that DMX did. Do you remember that? The one where he's saying Christmas songs? No, he, he was being interviewed about Obama running for office. And he's like, this guy's name is Barack. There's no way his name is Barack. He was like, he just would not believe that someone was named Barack Obama. And they're like, uh, soon, you think you'd vote for him?

He's like, I'm a fella and I can't vote. There's no way his mom named him Barack. The obnoxious truly one of our treasures was, fortunately. It was, unfortunately. Yeah, so there was like some lack of awareness of him globally, let's say. Totally. And he did have a fairly fast rise to prominence in national politics, but it isn't as weird as it may seem to Tucker.

Consider that after Bill Clinton, you had Al Gore as the nominee in 2000. He was a charisma vacuum, but still almost certainly would have beat Bush, had it not been for the Supreme Court. And then since that point, Democratic candidates had been uninspiring to the electorate. In 2004, you had John Kerry as the nominee, but look at the rest of that primary. He had Howard Dean, but he screamed. There's game over. He had General Wesley Clark, but he was kind of boring and a military guy. He had John Edwards, but he was almost fascinatingly bland and ended up as Kerry's running mate. Then you had Dennis Kusinich and Joe Lieberman

who weren't really Democrats and the latter was part of the failed tw- uh, 2000 ticket with Gore. Yeah. And he had Al Sharpton poking around in the primary like he does pretty much every year. And then, you know, there wasn't a lot of energy. If you look at this roster, you don't see a vision for the future. Hillary Clinton was obviously a political force to be considered, but the Democratic bench was shallow. When Obama appeared as a young state senator with a gift for giving rousing speeches, it was inevitable that the Democratic party would want to take a chance on him because compared to the rest of those snooze bags, Obama was exciting. He could captivate people, which was lacking in

literally everybody else. Yeah, I can't, you know, like, people talk about those Bernie Sanders rallies and all that stuff, but there is nothing like what happened in 2008 in Chicago. Whenever he was, I mean, nothing like it. In Colombia, Missouri, like on election night, people took to the streets to like drunkenly dance around. Yeah. No, it's nuts. It was such excitement.

It was insane. What Tucker is doing here right from the jump is seeking to Delegitimize everything Obama achieved. He didn't do anything really. He was scooped up by these powerful forces in Chicago and made to be the president. Tucker wants to take away the agency of Obama and turn him into simply an instrument that other people used to achieve power through Obama as a puppet. There's plenty of reasons for this. Some of it is partisan shit, some is racism, but all of it's nonsense. Prior to being the state senator, Obama was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, was a fellow at the University of Chicago Law School, worked extensively in

voter registration organizing, was a reasonably successful lawyer lawyer and he had experience in electoral politics. Now nobody, nobody knew how to say his name though. Well, DMX didn't. He'd been the Illinois Senate. You've been in there since 1996 and had run for the U.S. House in 2000, excuse me, a race that he lost in the primary. In 2004, Illinois GOP Senator Peter Fitzgerald retired and Obama ran for the vacant seat and won easily, probably due to the Democratic machine getting strongly behind him since they saw a real opportunity to swing that seat. And it didn't hurt that he was up against Alan Keys, who is not a viable candidate for anything and has recently guest hosted Info Wars. Also, if you look at the full candidate list,

there was someone named Jack Ryan running, who I'm convinced was Steve Pachanek using a fake name. As for his short term in the Senate, it's not really fair to say that it was meaningless and he didn't do anything well in that office. According to GovTrack, he was right in the middle of the pack in terms of leadership, which uses co-sponsorship of bills

to determine who's moving things most regularly and most consistently. In his less than a full term, Obama introduced 124 bills and co-sponsored a ton more. Of those 124, only two were enacted into law, but they were actual things. One was a ban on the export of Mercury, and the other was a relief bill for the Democratic Republic of Congo. He was in office less than four years and introduced two bills that were signed by the president. Compare that to Ron Paul who was in office for 21 years and only got one bill through which was just securing some land for the Galveston Historical Foundation. Obama was there trying to get some stuff done and the opportunity to run for president

came along and he did it. The idea that Obama is a full human with agency, that's threatening to folks like Tucker. So what he does is strip all that way and treat Obama like a thing. He was an object used by these other rich, powerful white guys on the left to attack the right wing. And that's the game that we're establishing already from the beginning. Yeah. So do you know who this is? Do you know who this interview is gonna be? Oh, God

I don't know somebody is real dad according to that. That's interesting like some something like that. It's interesting some fake ass shit Okay, well, let's listen to the next clip and see if you figure anything out. Okay, where did he come from? What did he spend his life doing before he became president of the United States? Well, the news media whose job it is to answer those questions spent the entire O8 campaign trying to keep you from knowing the answers. By election day, most Americans were born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be born to be other than he was handsome and a good communicator. Hope and change. But they knew nothing about him. His origins, what he believed, and legitimate questions about those facts were turned away as they often are

with the claim. That's a conspiracy theory. You're crazy. Shut up. This is really dumb and pretty reductive. Questions about Obama's past weren't called conspiracy theories, but questions that were meant as conspiracy theory bait were. Give you an example. Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review earlier in his life. If you had questions about some articles he'd written or his leanings as an editor of that outlet, those questions were fertile ground and no one was opposed to asking them. Those were questions that could lead to a greater understanding of Obama's philosophical

path through life and his position surrounding law and politics. Conversely, if your questions are surrounding demands that he produce a bunch of different birth certificates to prove he was born in the U.S., then you don't deserve to have your questions be taken seriously. You aren't trying to reach a greater truth that helps understand Obama in his beliefs. You're just trying to lure people into thinking that Obama's lying about being an American citizen so he can't be president. These genres of questions are not the same, and they don't deserve to be treated the same, but it's crucial for people like Alex and Tucker that their

audience not realize that. For their scams to work, the audience needs to believe that birth certificate questions are as valid, if not not more than actual meaningful questions about Obama's past and his beliefs. Those are the same to him. Yeah, but not in the real world. Yeah, I mean, it is, it is something that I wish. What would I say? I don't, I don't think, well, one, there's nothing that I could have done one way or the other right as far as Obama But it would it would be Interesting to go back and learn what I knew then through my eyes now. Yeah, the philosopher Rod Stewart had something to say about that poor old grandpa

A laughter boy. She did his words can't remember little little loopy We should do what I knew now, but yeah, there is there is like It was impressive For him to have hard edited the Harvard Law Review impressive for anyone and now in retrospect It's like yeah, of course. He's gonna hire Tim Geithner. Like this makes sense now in retrospect because that is the place that he was from. That's where he was from. And I didn't understand what that meant at the time.

Yeah, and I think that everybody kind of gets into that spirit around their candidate, let's say. Sure. You know, because I mean, you have that belief that, oh, he's not gonna, like you're saying, not gonna hire Tim Geithner, you know. Right, right. And then it does happen, belief that, oh, he's not gonna, like you're saying, not gonna hire Tim Geithner, you know? Right, right, right. And then it does happen, you realize, oh, okay.

It's the same thing that Alex did with Trump, and he's like, you know, he's against all of these people. And then as soon as he started hiring, all of the people that Alex was against, he's like, I'm fine if he works with goblins as long as he's not kissing them. Like, what are you doing? It's the same kind of like, what are you doing?

It's the same kind of disillusionment that's gonna happen. Right. And it happens to everybody. What confuses, you know, like for me, though, is that it was like the moment that happened and I realized I was like, well, never again. You know, this is never going to happen to me again. Well, it's an open question, too, like I think that we like to believe that had Bernie Sanders won,

you know, any of the runs that he's had, you like to believe that those hires definitely would not happen. And that may be true. And that probably is true, but we don't know what I what I mean there. Not that it's not that like I wouldn't have voted for Obama. I would still have a voted for Obama. Of course, because there's no there was nothing I could do about. Right. But I would never have a voted for Obama. Of course. Because there's no there was nothing I could do about it. Right.

But I would never not know who Obama was. You know, like if you know, you never not know that the idealism Maybe cannot fully be achieved. Right Sanders. You know, right now. I know what I know about Bernie Sanders and I Based on that I can make a decision. I don't know what he's like as president, right? You know, so yeah, he could disappoint me, but I will not vote for him thinking, this guy cannot disappoint me. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, but I think what that naive a tade

that you're describing is also a product of our age at that time. Yeah, true. You know, like I was 22, I think and you know everything from like 18 to 25 at least is like very soaked and whiskey. I mean that was actually and you're you're a little younger even. No that was actually that was when I was living in blubbing. Okay so that was the second of the three years that I don't remember. Right.

You were in a few state and I was drunk. So between 2007 and 2010, I have no memories. Right. So yeah, are you getting any sense of who this might be? No, what the fuck are we talking about? Is it somebody that, somebody from Obama's childhood? Well, I mean, it's definitely somebody who knows Obama, right? Okay, fine. What is, where's his past?

Where is Obama? All right, I'll just spell somebody from Chicago. I'll spell this all out. No, what? I mean, yes. What I meant was it's not somebody from Chicago. I mean, he was in Chicago at some point. Okay.

All right. It's Larry Sinclair. He's the guy who claimed that he did crack in head sex with Obama. Wait. Yep. Someone pointed out that we covered this story five years ago because Alex brought it up. And now Tucker is interviewing the guy. I, you know, here's, you know, you would think, you think it would be apropos to say something like oh how far the mighty of fault

Right when in reality I I think what it should be is Jesus Christ they're catching up to us. They're coming up. They're gonna get to the highest part of the mountains They're coming up the sea water is rising. Well, and it's almost like a oh no the joke is real Yeah, right what next thing you know Tucker is gonna be interviewing the guy who cleaned me fucked Obama in a limo We can never say next thing you know ever it. There's no jump cut is absurd now. Yeah The the family guy is Come real it is real we all laughed whenever he fought a chicken 20 years ago. That reminds me of the time the Tucker interview the guy who said he fucked Obama in the

limo. Nope. It's not it's not a non-sequitor. It's not surreal. Everything is bad lived now. Yeah. So this happened and you know, like I said, it's it's a why not. But that's why I kind of started this by pointing out the series of interviews that he's done Yeah, there's like Trump or ban RFK Jr. And the guy who said he fucked Obama So this is this guy his story is when he was younger. He fucked Obama in 1999. Okay. Yeah, that was the year to do it Why 2k was coming. Yeah, we were all we were all there. We are all like what's hey fucking all day. Yeah See yeah, what we're gonna So Tucker Carlson the world's most important person. Yeah, it's interviewing I was thinking about it

And if you recall when we talked about Mike Flynn being on Alex's show, he said that Obama was gay and something was going to come out about that. I think he knew that this interview was going to drop. Is this what he's talking about? I think so. Oh my God. Yeah. I think that that was teasing this Tucker interview, which is funny. The Michael Flynn at advanced knowledge of this. Just know, what, what, what are they doing? What, what, when we're not looking, I worry about what they're doing. Like they're up to some shit all the time. Yeah. It's all bad. It's all bad. But then a small percentage of it is kind of like funny bad, and then the rest of it is just bad. Yeah. you could just they could just like do benign

Scams for a little bit. Yeah, just do benign scams for a little bit So I don't know what episode it was but someone posted that we talked about this on an episode that was in 2018 Oh my god, so I I'm sure that some Enterprising wonk will post what episode it was I'm sure that some enterprising wonk will post what episode it was. But yeah, we go into it at the claims, like a little bit more thoroughly. So I'm not going to redo that. Right, right, right. Every five years, we have to re debunk the same thing.

I'm not going to engage in that. Just suffice it to say this is all low to bullshit. But I mostly explained who this person was before I played this clip because you would never recognize this name. Larry Sinclair. Yeah, I would never recognize Larry Sinclair. One of the most interesting moments in the 2008 campaign occurred when a man, like Obama himself, came from out of nowhere to recount his experiences with Barack Obama the man.

His name was Larry Sinclair and he told an amazing story. He said that in 1999 he had encountered Barack Obama in Illinois, had sex with Barack Obama, and then used cocaine with him. All right. Sinclair went on to make his claims publicly at the National Press Club in Washington, designed his foreign affidavit, and it took a lie detector test. But he was dismissed. In fact, he was attacked. Obama shills like Ben Smith, the Politico, and battered the claims out without refuting

them. They're absurd. And the rest of the media followed suit. He rented up the press club for himself. Anybody can do that. So it's not like a big deal. Yeah. Anyway, so we've already covered this, like I said, so I'm not going to get bogged down and too many of the details, but as a refresher, it's a load of shit

Yeah, now leaving aside the actual story I fucked this guy is not a story that the media can necessarily disprove Proving a negative is really difficult and sometimes impossible Which is why generally the burden of proof is on a person who's making a claim If Tucker is gonna be mad at the media for not disproving these claims, then I would say that I'm mad that he hasn't disproven the rumors that he's killed a hundred people with his bare hands in the last five years for sport. I'm waiting for Tucker to disprove that, and until he does, as a sincere actor and a

seeker of truth, I'm forced to assume that these are legitimate rumors and they must be true. Yeah, you know what's really weird about all of this. What's that? Tucker and Obama have been having an affair. What? Yeah, yeah. You'll notice that Tucker singles out Ben Smith of Politico here, and that's intentional.

It's because Ben Smith wrote an article about Larry Sinclair's criminal history. To it, quote, public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27 year criminal record with a specialty in crimes involving deceit. A specialty in crimes involving deceit. He's a con man. The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16 year jail sentence. The Pueblo County Colorado Sheriff's Office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's arrest for forging in acquaintances signature and stealing her tax refunds. The article discusses how he has 13 known aliases, quote, including Larry Vizcara Avila and

Mohammed Gahan. It also mentions that lie detector tests that Tucker brought up. He should know that the website offered him $100,000 if he could pass one. And he quote took them up on it. And the site said in a press release that the polygraph organizers said his results indicated deception. Yeah. Naturally, Sinclair said the polygraph people were paid to say that. And I like that move. I like the move. I here's what here's what I would do. I'm going to go ahead and ahead and say yeah, fuck yeah cuz maybe you fucking pull it off Those lie detector machines are bullshit anyway. You have nothing to lose because you can fall back

You're already a liar right. Yeah, this is degrading for Tucker to do this interview It screams desperation for attention and that sounds about right for where he's at right now His political project is active trying to promote dangerous leaders like RFK Jr. and Orban while he does everything he can to force people to pay attention to him by pretending to take a very obvious con man seriously in order to create splashy headlines in social media cloud. It's a fucking pathetic game and it's super transparent. Yeah, I mean, Tucker doesn't take this shit seriously. No, absolutely not. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, no, no, I mean, now- Tucker doesn't take this shit seriously. No, absolutely not. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, no, now I mean, I'm kind of interested, but I'm thoroughly not, because it's going to be the same tone because he's a professional at this. Well, yeah. But it is like- No, it's a different tone. Is it a different tone?

It's more of sequest. You're joking. I wish I was. This man is the most important man to the most important man in the world you get that sense Wow, well, you know, and I think that it's something to something that comes to mind is something that you talked about with Sophie from Mars She's the like not taking seriously that they're taking things seriously. Yeah, yeah, I'm like this is not a sincere Actor involved in this interview both of them are liars. Yeah.

And they don't make a care. Yeah, this is kind of an insane, this is, I feel like if I was an alien, this would be concerning behavior from the species that I'm studying. Holy shit, I'm a human, I'm concerned. I know, but it seems reasonable for us to be concerned about it, because we've got a best

in the game. We have skin in the game. Even an alien would be like, this is not correct behavior for the species that I barely know anything about. Yeah. Yep. So I think the claims that Larry makes are absurd, but they're not. But the claims weren't absurd.

We're not claiming they're true. What? But they were certainly credible. But the claims weren't absurd. We're not claiming they're true. Oh. What? But they were certainly credible. This was a first-hand account of Barack Obama's behavior by someone who was going to sign a sworn affidavit to that effect. So the question is, whatever happened to Larry Sinclair?

What's his life in the white sense? That's the question. That's the issue. That's the issue. It turns out Larry Sinclair is still a Y. He lives in Mexico. But today, he's in our studio. And we're happy to have him. Larry Sinclair, thank a Y. He lives in Mexico, but today he's in our studio and we're happy to have Larry Sinclair. Thank you so much. Thank you for inviting me. Look, look man. First hand claims can be absurd. All right. Here's an example. I can breathe underwater. I have telekinetic powers and one time I dunked on Shaq.

I'll swear in F&A, but to this effect, if it makes Tucker take me seriously an interview me about the experience of posterizing Shaquille O'Neal, it would be interesting. Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah. If you aren't saying that the claims are true, there's no point in doing this interview, unless it's adversarial, unless you're interrogating the claim enforcing Sinclair to substantiate the claims he's making, you're saying that these claims are true, unless someone else disproves them. Which is the position Tucker is already kind of lined up right in self-into. This is how cowards use

information. Every single choice and action Tucker is making is in service of screaming at the audience that these claims and Claire is making are true and to be taken seriously. But he hides behind a little disingenuous cave. He's like, we're not seeing this is true in order to protect the thin of the near of being a serious person. Fuck this dude in this dumb game. It's awful. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why we do that. I don't know. We're still letting people get away with that. Isn't that wild? You know, it was it's something that keeps getting into my head of like every time I read a X formerly known as Twitter Like like, you know, like how it's always written of in that way and that idea of like

We could just choose not to do this. We could just there's no reason to it We all still call it Twitter. Just call it Twitter and Still call it always going to do it. So how dare why is a why are these news outlets trying to force Elon Musk's bullshit down my throat? I just had an amazing idea what now that Twitter is called X it's not it's called Twitter, but you know kind of called X mm-hmm now we need to change Facebook's name to sever We need them to shoot missiles at each other. Experts is sever. No, but then the headline if they shot missiles at each other, we need ballistic experts.

The headline would finally make sense. It'd be prophetic. The title of that movie would finally make some sense. Yes, yes, you have to do it. Anyway, Larry's here. He does not live in Chicago, but he was in Chicago in 1999. Yeah, for a reason. Yeah. Anyway, Larry's here. He does not live in Chicago, but he was in Chicago in 1999. Yeah, for a reason. Right. Where did you meet Barack Obama? It was by accident. I was in the Chicago area in 1999 for Lee Duke's graduation from the Naval Academy. Who's

Lee Duke? He's basically my god son. Cool. Lee Do? I had hired a limousine service. I'm sure you're up. Did you live in Chicago then? No. No. I was actually living in Colorado.

I had flown in the night before. OK. So I had hired a limousine service, had made it the driver aware that if Lee couldn't leave the base because once they graduate, some of them actually get their assignments and they're shipping out and they can't leave the base that I was still interested in going out. Dude wanted a party. Well, he's in town for his Godson's graduation.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what's your thought? You jotted down a word I can't read. Oh, Lee Duke. Yeah. I wrote down Lee Duke and then I was like man I looked at it and I was like I wonder is there some way to reorganize those is he fucking with me right from the jump Is it a grant? Yeah, I already I already don't believe it You know I already believe this guy's It's very strange to casually mention your godson's name as if anybody knows who he is totally that is bizarre Yeah, so so then but then if you do that, and it's not that, then it's one of those specific details that you are doing that you're like,

if I have this one specific detail, yeah, Liars add extraneous details that are unnecessary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, I was like the Naval Academy, the Naval Academy graduation. Right? That's in Maryland. Right. That's in an app. No, no, no, no, no. But no, there is an Naval Academy in around Chicago. It's in Chicago. It's called the Rickover Naval Academy. Okay. And this is a high school. And in 2021, they had their graduation ceremony on June 12th. In 2010, the ceremony was on June 16th. So I was searching for a bunch of data points, but these were the only two

that I could definitively nail down. I can say with confidence that it's always in that part of June, though in other years I could only find articles about the graduation, they didn't say what day it was on. The point here is that now we have a time frame that we, this must have taken place.

It has to. It must have been in mid-June 1999. As a then-state senator, Obama would have likely been spending most of his time in Springfield, but it's possible that the legislative session had ended by this point, and you could see him being back in Chicago. Could be? Typically, the Illinois legislative session ends in early June, so this could be possible. Could work out right. However, 1999 was also the year that Obama was gearing up to put on his unsuccessful run for the US House seat. Not only that complicates. This was the year that he released dreams of my father and he made speaking

appearances around the country promoting the book. Yeah. That being said, I can place Obama in Chicago on June 13th, 1999, because he was a speaker at a welfare reform town hall meeting at the South Shore Cultural Center, which I guess is technically Chicago, but it's almost Indiana. Sure. That's in the 7,000 South block of the city,

whereas the Naval Academy is 4,000 North. Oh. That is to say that there are about 110 blocks apart North South and about 40 blocks apart East West. That is to say they're in two different cities. They're pretty far apart. And someone and one would have very little reason to run into somebody who is around the other.

It would be a very strange coincidence. That being said, I've just done more work to substantiate Larry's story than Tucker or any of these other ding-dongs ever have. And I'm saying that the story is complete bullshit. But I can prove that Obama was in Chicago around the time that this must have taken place. Okay. So, if I understand the story correctly, now that we have this context for Obama in this

place in time, right? Obama, state senator, already ambitions towards higher office, running for the United States House, right? And around this time you can find a bunch of articles about how much he's pushing like welfare reform and a bunch of things that for underprivileged communities like he's pretty active getting around and trying to make a name for himself in terms of like organizing for the public. Right. And is just released one of the more victorious books that he's ever written?

Yeah, I wonder because I'm not actually sure how much of an immediate splash book had. It wasn't. It was whenever he did a Senate campaign that it blew up because he did that. That makes sense. He did the speech. Well, but he did the first speech in 2004. Right. And then 2008, oh wait, did he ran for a senate in 2004?

Right. Yeah. Yeah, sorry, dates are all weird. Dates are very weird. Anyways, within this time period, Obama was like, hey man, I've had a rough goal of things. I'm just gonna head out after something and then runs into this guy,

this specific guy. Yeah. And he's like, man, we got a bone and do coke together. Yeah. In the back of this limo. This is the time. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you got to consider the state he's in, you know, like as a state senator, someone who is putting on a run for the US House that is unsuccessful. But he's putting together a primary run. He's just released this book. He's going on, you know, speaking engagements, and fulfilling a bunch of these roles, like, you know, going to this town hall meeting

at the, you know, speaking there. He's a busy dude. Yeah, I imagine, I imagine Michelle who's listening to the story being like, dude, nobody fucked him for what are you talking about? 99 that guy didn't have sex until he was president again on the move Exactly, but yeah, so anyway, he has his limo that he's rented and the driver like he's like him, man I want a party because my godson can't leave the base. Larryson Clary has rented a limo

and is asking the limo driver, where do I go to get to get fun? Hey buddy, buddy, my godson is gonna ship out tomorrow the day after his graduation. Right, and I want to get lit. Yes, that does seem to be the case. So that's where we're at. Okay, and they can't leave the base

that I was still interested in going out. And had asked the driver if he knew anybody that was available, that might want to show me Chicago. And he said he did. So who was the driver? His name was Jameer Moutani. It was with five star lemon.

So you're just a guy who's in town for the night, and it sounds like you're looking to party, actually. Yeah, that's what you're really. Yeah, I believe that. I was in town for a few nights, but yeah, I was definitely looking to party. And you make that party. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. There was no misunderstanding. How, how, how direct were you about that? Extremely. Extremely. There you go. Extremely. Okay. Yeah.

There was, there was no doubt what I was looking for. Sure. Okay. And he picked me up at my hotel in Gurney and drove into Chicago, pulled up in a bar outside, and there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama. It was literally that casual that had you ever heard of him? No. Did the driver know him? Yep. The driver definitely knew him because the driver said that he was a front. Interesting. So Larry's been giving various names on the limo driver over the years

from a paramajit Multani to Yager Pultani and now I guess it's jameer. Jameer multani. Yeah, this story is really weird. Mostly because you have a guy who's coming to town for his godsons high school graduation and he rents a limo to go party alone. He's also a career criminal who had just gotten out of prison and had no discernible means to justify renting a limo or any of this. Sure. It's very strange. That is odd. The details are not impossible, but very strange, and require a little more examination than Tucker has

given. Now, remember, at this point Obama's estate senator, the limo driver just hooks Larry up with him at a bar. Now, for those who don't know Chicago land geography, GERNY is quite a ways to the north. Oh yeah. It's far closer to Wisconsin than it is to the actual city of Chicago. Yeah. And it's mostly relevant because six flags is there. It's pretty difficult to imagine how all of this could have played out. Like, there would have been a lot of really long drives that make no sense. So the timing of this story.

You could get coke in Gurney. I was, I mean, so he, so he's at the naval academy, then takes a regular drive up to gurney. Well, right. No, I think, okay, so here's where I get a little bit lost in the week. Because he said that he was at gurney, he had to go to the, he was. Here's where I get lost in the weeds. Okay. I think that maybe the graduation took place in gurney.

Okay. That might be the case, so he might not have had to go to the Naval Academy itself. Okay. I just kind of made a slight assumption. Sure. And it's a generous assumption because it makes this make more sense. Yeah.

I made the assumption that the graduation took place at the Academy. Right. And it might have taken place at like some hall in Gurney. Right. So now instead of that, we're at gurney,

we rent five star limo for a, I don't know, that's gonna be a, what? It's hundreds of dollars. If we're talking traffic to, you're gonna be there for a long time. I assume it was late night. You'd have to. Yeah, I mean, if you're going to a bar.

Sure, sure. So you're taking this limo to a bar. Says says the guy who has done some day drinking and it's something something that Zero people at a Chicago bar would find acceptable to do. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing too is like, all right, the kind of bar he ends up describing. I'm like, what neighborhood are we talking about? Where is this? Yeah. You meeting a state senator, Obama, in Wicker Park? Yeah.

Where is it? What are we doing here? Because the bar that he's describing feels like a loop downtown bar. I mean, if you're going to be like, hey, I said to my driver, I'm going to party and you emphasize it with a three different- I want to go to Chicago. I have to- You're going to end up on Michigan. Yeah. You're going to party and you emphasize it with a three different I want to go to Chicago I have to end up on Michigan. Yeah, you're gonna end up somewhere downtown. Yeah, absolutely and I don't know

There are many places that you could take a left in a limo down Well, you have to consider that limos are at all stretch limos some of them are reasonably length That's true. That is true. so that might be what he's talking about But still no matter what that rental is hundreds of dollars. Yeah, that is an expensive just to make the trip And then you have to do assume that there's some kind of a surcharge to have the driver hook you up with a state senator to fuck around to do crack with him You think what I'm getting at is there needs to be more supporting evidence of this claim If I want if you want to be believable and to give you some sense of how believable this is while I was looking into this I stumbled upon a article where Elon Musk was saying that this interview wasn't believable that's bad you couldn't even build Elon you idiots yeah

so anyway this guy whose name might be something Molten. He was friends with Obama, right? Sure. So here's how. Okay. How would the driver be friends with Barack Obama? I only found out later of dealing with a reporter from Bloomberg news that apparently the limousine company had been doing business with Tony Rezco.co. That at the time was somehow a affiliated with Barack Obama. Yes. Interesting. So he knew Barack Obama. And in his view, Barack Obama, like the same kind of party, and you were looking for.

Okay. So sex and drugs and upwards. The sex part I wasn't so sure about until, of course, you know, you make your move, but it became obvious very quick. The Coke part, I thought was interesting because of the way that I had brought it up. So I'm stepping in your story. So you pull it and I apologize. Whoa. You had to love how subservient Tucker is being.

He's apologizing for stepping on the story. Wow. What a fucking loser. Giving Larry Fuckinson clear higher status in a conversation. Jesus. Ridiculous. How you feeling? I am concerned about whether or not this person has ever had sex or done drugs before.

I would like to leave that to the side and look at some of the other details, you know what I mean? I'm just I'm just thinking about a man who's trying to party. Yeah, right? I like to party. I'm embodying the character that he is trying to portray himself as. Yeah. And I'm telling you, this behavior wildly out of character. Yeah. Being hyper explicit with the limo driver is a strange move. That's also if you're because that's a porn star, but that's a porn move. Okay, you're alone. You're out of the middle of nowhere. It's a house ladder.

And then you just cruise around looking for sex and drugs. But I can actually, I mean, I can see this in the real world in like higher society kind of, you know, like really, really rich folks, maybe who have their own driver, who they have a relationship with. Sure, sure, some eyes wide shut style. I don't remember that movie well enough, but yes, I guess. But like, if you're just hiring someone from a rental company, like they're not gonna stick

their neck out to get you coke. Absolutely not. And shit, when it's just a random person, and this is just a driver for the company. Why would he know Obama because some random other person had some business dealings with the company for. He doesn't own the fucking limo company. Absolutely. He's going on here. Here's where you make sense of it, right? If I'm telling the story again, embodying the character of somebody who's out here trying to party, a character that does exist,

the limo driver trying to sell me Coke. That, ah, now the limo driver is selling me Coke. Now why does the limo driver know Barack Obama? Right. Already fixed. Because he sells Obama Coke. Because he sells Obama Coke he sells Obama coke right It makes sense because you just have a guy who's in the gig economy now

Yeah, it's got a side hustle. It said you've got a limo driver who is Wildly helpful. Yeah, you now have to introduce a third character, which is where you get the coke Exactly, you solve a lot of problems. Yeah, but the limo driver Yeah, you condense makes sense So Tony Rezco was a businessman and lobbying kind of type of guy who was primarily involved in doing shady shit with Rob Blegoyevich and that also Alex and Tucker think bloggo was set up So that's confusing. I don't really know. How is that what? Okay, like bloggo. Don't you remember? Oh, that's right

They do oh, that's right. They do. Oh, fuck. That's right. So Obama had famously been turned down for a job with Resco's firm just out of college. Resco did seem to admire Obama though and he donated to his campaigns going back to the state Senate days, but their strong involvement didn't begin until years after Larry's story would have taken place. When Obama ran for Senate, Resco was on his fundraise in committee, but that was in 2003. I'm not sure if Resko had any investment in five star limisades, but I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility. He had his hand in a number of industries ranging from real estate to some retail outlets, so it is plausible. That being said, it doesn't prove Larry's story in any way. And all of this just sounds like bullshit stacked on top of bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. But when you have someone who's such a worm like Tucker acting like this, just giving the softest landing to stuff and not being like, what are the drug story?

The supposed diary of somebody who had some girl who had started on this trip to drugs is very famous. And I can't remember the name of it, but for whatever reason. And he's going through it and he remembers, like, oh, it scared me as a kid about all these scary drugs. And then he looked back through it and he's like, all right, one of the entries is smoked marijuana today. Or no, did LSD today? Tomorrow, I'm gonna try weed.

And you're like, that's the wrong order, man. You are writing this from the perspective of somebody who has heard about drugs. But here's the problem. I think he has done drugs. I think he has too. He's a criminal. Yeah, you would think. Yeah.

Maybe he's a straight-edge thief. has too. I think he has too. Yeah, you would think. Yeah. Maybe he's a straight-edge thief. I mean, I know that must exist. I don't know. I don't know if you do like long stretches of, oh, and I also know that he was busted for drug possession while he wasn't prison. Okay, well that's, yeah, I don't know if you're straight unless he was dealing. Yeah, I mean, why not just say that you were selling Obama Coke?

Why not? I would buy that. Sure. There's no reason not to do coke. Well, no, because you then have to figure out how you had your hook up in Chicago. Yeah, it's true. You didn't fly with it from Colorado. That's true.

That's true. Yeah. No, I forgot about the extra parts of the story there. Yeah. So he meets up with Obama thanks to this limo driver. Uh-huh. But he can't remember the name of the bar he was at. Hmm.

So I'm stepping under story. So you pull and I'm apologize. So you pull it up, Apologize. So you pull it up. So this bar, the driver is basically scouting some dude for you to hang out with. Correct. There's a sky baracabama. Are you paying it?

I'm all with the sky. Never. Finders fee. We're having drinks. I mentioned the fact that I could use something to wake up. I was extremely exhausted. So you went into the bar. I guess what kind of bar was it? I'm trying to remember. I've extremely exhausted. So you went into the bar? Yes, sir. What kind of bar was it?

I'm trying to remember, I've been trying to remember the name. I know that the glasses had three axes on them, because I remember taking one home. Do you mean like it was a cartoon whiskey bottle? But I mean, generally characterized it was it. It was a bar. No, it was a scale. It was up skill, quiet. Wasn't really that, that really didn't have a lot of energy to it. It was more relaxed, more like a lounge, as opposed to somewhere where people would go and get loud and crazy.

Which made it easier to talk. But like I said, when I brought up the fact that I could do something to wake up, which made it easier to talk. But like I said, when I brought up the fact that I could use something to wake up, he immediately knew what I was referring to. No shit. I had made it clear that I was looking for Coke and I really was and had made the suggestion that he knew where we could get it and we left and go get it. Interesting. Very. Is to go get it.

Interesting. Very. Is it? Very much. So like Larry is like, I, I, I, I, I, I need something to, to wake up. And then Obama looks at him and he's like, call me Master P, because I got the hook up. I, I, I, I, I, wait, it's Obama who said, uh, who, Obama had the hook up.

That's what, that's how I understand the story. Because he's in the bar. No, it's okay. So the, the driver he's in the bar. No, it's okay. So the driver takes him to the bar. Right. He introduces him to Obama. Obama and him, Larry, are in the bar drinking. And he says to Obama, I need to wake up.

I need Coke. Okay. And then Obama is like, I know just the guy. Right. Because I'm still struggling with this whole driver who is... The driver now has exited stories of the most part. The driver is exited the driver ex- driver ex-

he is just there to go from gurney to introduce Larry to Obama. Okay. That's where we're at. All right. And now Obama takes over as the guy who knows where to get Coke. Okay. So in this story Obama is very good friends with the driver. With no actual connection between the two of them. Well, this one guy who kind of knows Obama didn't give him a job out of college, may or may not invest in the limo company that this guy drives for. Right. Now, I'm going to throw this out at you.

Yeah. Okay. How is the subject of Coke just coming up now? Hmm, what do you mean? Well, I mean, he's saying to Obama, I want something to wake up. I imagine it might have come up fairly quick. Well, it should have come up in the car. You bet. That's my issue here.

Well, maybe it did. Maybe it did, because I get the sense that what he's saying is that he was clear about his desire for coke to the driver Okay, and the driver introduced him to Obama because he knew that Obama would know where to get coke Right the limo driver somehow didn't okay. That's my sense of see cuz I always got I was getting the impression that the limo driver was like Hey, this guy clearly wants to bone some dude. No, that's interesting, but no, it's actually the sex part of it is kind of incidental and happens. I don't want to say organically, but like, he was actually very tender.

No, not saying that, but I think that the conversation with the limo driver and Obama, at least at this point, in the preamble of all this is all about the drugs Okay, and and and partying in terms of that as opposed to partying in terms of fucking. Okay man I'm struggling with this because this is not how people who are looking for drugs behave true and You have Tucker doing the interview and that's not helpful. No, it is really not helping me understand where we are in the story. So Larry and Obama get that coke. So you said I'm looking for something to wake up.

He knows you're referring to cocaine. I know where to get it. What happens next? We get back in the limo. The driver takes us wherever it is that Barack had instructed him to take us. I had given Barack $250 to pay for Coke. He gets out. In the 90s? That's a lot of Coke.

That's a lot of Coke. Putting a line on a CD tray to snort. And you're in the limo. In the limo. Yep. Driving or parked? No, the driver's driving. Yep.

I start to put a line on a CD tray and I just happen to notice that he pulls something else out of his pocket. And next thing I know he's got a little pipe and he's smoking. So I don't have an issue with it. I mean some people smoke, some people snort. I would never claim to be the world's most knowledgeable person in the field of cocaine use, but I do know some coca-heads. Yeah, and I don't think anyone would think it was a great idea to just buy cocaine and then smoke it. If you had crack, you could smoke that, but that's not the same form as the powder cocaine that Larry's clearly talking about. It must be.

It is doable to smoke powder cocaine, but in order to do that, you need to freebase it it and that's a little bit of a process. Generally you'd need to add ammonia to the cocaine and then heat it up substantially to free the base cocaine from the salts, which is not ideally done in a moving car. This is a bit of a weird detail that gives me pause. If he said they both snorted it or if Obama had gone and gotten some crack rocks instead of powder, and then they both smoked, Then it would make more sense. But I have a suspicion that this is a detail that plays into inherent racism in the audience that this story is meant for. Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing.

I think that that's the feeling that I get here. See Obama is black. So he takes his cocaine differently. Yeah. That's 100%. I mean, it's absurdly crazy. It less he were to say that like like we bought two different kinds of cocaine. I mean that's that's a it's a crazy thought process to have it's very weird Some you two hundred and fifty dollars and you get you get very snortable cocaine

He pulls out and I was like hold on. I got a smoke this in my pipe. I'm gonna free base this shit. Oh, okay. All right It's very weird. Okay, so that after free base this shit. Oh, okay, all right. It's very weird. Okay. So after this, Larry makes his move. Okay. And then, Wait, he makes his move to, romantically.

Okay. Well, not romantically. All right. I don't have an issue with it. I mean, some people smoke, some people snort. Smoking the cocaine. Yes. So, as I'm doing a line, I just start, this is the part where you, you know, you kind of

make your move to see where things are going. So I just started rubbing my hand along this thigh to see where it was going and it went the direction I had intended it to go. So the night became somewhat active sexually and drug wise in the limo. Yeah, so in the limo, they do these drugs and then he gives Obama some dome. I mean, I'm not super experienced with cocaine, but I imagine two dudes who have just done Coke is just double the opportunity for a soft one. I know that a lot of people do call it Coke dick. That's gonna say, this is the wrong order for this story.

But at the same time, I do think whenever you do anphetamines and a lot of uppers, you can become overly sexual, even if you can't achieve elections or whatever. Totally. That is still within the realm of possible. No, I'm just saying that you do the Coke to do your partying. And then when you're back at the hotel, that's when you fuck. Oh, that's how you do it.

That's how I've always been told. The Coke is for the partying. I don't know. I look, I mean, I don't believe any part of this story. So I'm not going to like split hairs here. But so they, they, they fool around. Sure. Sure. I start I start rubbing along the leg of this complete stranger who just purchased Coke with me and a driver that I don't know. Two people really feel I don't know. It feels like, you know, obviously it's

a risk. Cause one version of this you end up sucking this guy's dick in the back of a limo. Sure, which would be great. And then the other version of it is he beats the shit out of you. I was going to say you die. Well, maybe not die. Well, you could die. I mean, 90 Chicago. And you make a home, a home of sexual advance upon somebody who just $250 a coke for you. Yeah, you could die. Yeah, that is a place to die. It seems like obviously It is something that probably probably happens a bit you know that kind of a move being made sure But you'd have to like rely on other signals I would feel like if I were Larry and I was telling this story

I mean like you know we locked eyes a couple times. I felt like he was giving me some signs that it was okay to proceed. The first thing wouldn't be, I put my hand on his leg to see what was up. Oh, man. Because that is too far to go as a feeler, I think. That's somebody who's very clearly telling a story

from the perspective of now looking back on what could have happened You're not telling me a memory because that is a different world strange 1999 is a different fucked up world right for especially for any LGBT you would have to know that this guy was gay Or bisexual in order to I guess feel the comfort to be that overt anything. Yeah. I don't know though. I certainly don't have a lot of experience in the cruising and coke hookup communities. Especially with an unknown now we've got three people in here all of whom are behaving like this is totally normal. It is a little strange. Yeah. So they do the oral and here's what happens next. Good for that.

So what happened after? Afterwards, I actually went back to my hotel. I had specifically asked that he dropped Barack off first. But for some reason, he and Barack chose that they would drop me off at the hotel first, and then he would take Barack. So Barack actually made the drive out to gurney which is the suburb outside of Chicago. To the hotel for me to be dropped off.

What hotel was it? It was the comfort in and gurney. Oh, it sounds depressing. Well, you have to remember it was 99. What? This is a strange moment that is a fucking fuck you Mate what what is wrong with you the comfort in man? What a bummer? That's just how can you be that rich was the comfort in substantially different in the 90s? What is he saying it was the 90s? I know yeah, I don't know I don't know it wasn't it wasn't like a motel six. It is a well

And even the motel six has certain charm to it. It does the it is it is Tucker being a little dickish Yeah, a little unrelatable to the common person listen There's listen a comfort in his fine. It is it's fine. It's quite fine. It's quite fine. Anyway, Obama Unsatisfied with just this, uh-oh, came back a call in the next day. I got dropped off. They left. The next day was somewhat interesting because he ends up showing up at my hotel room, which I thought was somewhat weird, but-

Speaking of John Q. Secondary. He wanted some more. So when you say he showed up, he just, he showed up. I mean, I had no warning. I was in the room. There's a knock on the door. I opened the door and he's standing there. And he's standing there with more coat and he comes in. And it was just like a quick, you know, rehash,

a rerun from the night before. Exact same program. Exact same program. Was he smoking again? was just like a quick, you know, rehash or rerun from the night before. Exactly. Same program. Exactly. Program was you smoking again, a little blow and go. I mean, what's up? I just, this is just not understanding people from Chicago at all. Or people, how do you know the room number?

I mean, they dropped them off, but not the room. Maybe they dropped them off of the room. Maybe they comfort in. What's the hotel at the time? So we've, so we've all gotten but not the room. Maybe they dropped him off of the room. Maybe they comfort him. Okay, let's go tell it the time. So we're you know, we've all gotten out of the car together. Uh-huh. And then we drop them off to the room, say, into the room safe, right? But we're not going to try and have sex with him then, no, or stay the night. No, no. No, we're going to leave him there. We're going to get in our car. We go back to Chicago and a lim Chicago with the man who is still at work

presumably. Right on the clock. Yeah. And the person who had hired him has been dropped off. And now he's just hanging out with Obama. With Obama. Yeah. Right. The states. And they go back to where they're staying in Chicago presumably. Yeah. All right. Then Chicago. Then the next warning. Yeah. Obama leaves Chicago. He's, that was so much fun last night. Gotta go to gurney to get a rubbentug. Now we don't know if the limo driver makes an appearance the second day. I see that's the thing. It feels like how is Obama driving here?

What do you mean? I mean, is Obama driving? I know why. Is a state senator, he's got to get springfield Now I know frequently he's too busy partying now now he's taking the train He just did a like a ton of crack the night before and he's gonna get up and drive to gurney to go I'll talk this dude again as opposed to just like if you're you know messing around with this person And you're both doing drugs and it seems fun. Why wouldn't you just stay at the hotel?

You just keep doing drugs. Exactly. You don't stop doing drugs. You don't take a break. You don't stop doing drugs. Go to bed and then are like, let's make the same decisions in the morning. Well, you might if you're doing downers. Oh, well, yeah. But not if you're doing coke or crap, but not if you're like resetting and going home to your place one of the Hallmarks of coke and crack is not wanting to stop doing that They are really much like the most important thing to know about them is you're gonna want more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's been it's been the predominant thought every time I've done coke is More would be great. I would like some more of this, please.

Yeah. No, that is a very good point. Why in God's name is this story not involved at him going like, well, why didn't you get some more Coke? Yeah, like that's Tucker's that should be Tucker's question. Well, there's no like implication at all that they ran out. Yeah, it's $250 worth of cocaine. You you yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. It's $250 worth of cocaine. Yeah.

You, you, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. So Tucker asks like, what'd you think of the guy? What did you think of him? I thought it was interesting. Sure.

Uh, I thought he was definitely a con. Whoa. But what do you mean by what? Well, in my life, it's got that point. You, you, You made it clear. I had already been around. Yeah, big time. Yeah.

So you know when people are doing things because they actually really enjoy it, or they're sincere, they're looking for a connection, or they're doing something because they're looking for an end, or they're looking for a hook, or it's a game. So for me, I felt that it was a game for him. It was like, okay, what am I going to get out of it, or is there something I can get out of it

other than just the sexual part? And lucky for me, I wasn't going back to Chicago any time soon, so it really didn't matter. So he's a con man. How do you, how does that grab you? Okay, so Obama's playing a game? Playing games. I swear to, I swear to you.

Yeah. If, if any part of this story is true, I would want that man to be robbed by Barack Obama just to teach him a lesson about how you should behave in this That's absurd. It's uh, yeah, yeah, it's a little it's a little I don't know Oh, you would be you would be robbed so fast if Obama was anything less than Trustworthy impure in this story. Do you know what I mean? I think I do, but I just don't I just don't know I'm tired of this guy. I really hate this guy So the the issue is that he you know fucked Obama and then Obama came back to his hotel room again

Don't understand that but fine and then they went there separate ways and he didn't think of this again This was 1999 all right, and then in 2004 Obama gave that keynote speech at the D the DNC convention right right And listen to this shit. I don't believe this for a second. Did you talk to him again? I did not. In fact, I- And did you have any idea? Even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him watching him smoke crack twice. You had no idea who he was. I had no idea who he was until I'm sitting in my house into Kuala, Nagasaki, Mexico in 2004, and he walked on that stage

in Boston. In the DNC convention, and I literally hit the floor. I just hit the floor and was, Wait, so you're watching the Democratic convention from Mexico? I was laughing. And the guy that smoked crack and you're comforted with you. I was laughing so hard. And you were sure it was him.

I was absolutely positive. How? I don't forget people. I've met. I don't forget people I've spent time with. I just don't. That's not the issue. The issue is you expect me to believe. And later he talks about how he's not a political person. You expect me to believe that he's not the issue. Wow. The issue is, you expect me to believe.

And later he talks about how he's not a political person. You expect me to believe he's not a political person. You live in Mexico and you happen to be watching the DNC 2004 convention. That's ridiculous. I mean, the football was just ending. The red zone channel hadn't even started yet. No, this is ridiculous. What channel is that on in Mexico?

I don't know, fucking clue. Go ahead. Yeah. So. And it's not like today when clips go viral and stuff like that, you know, it's not there wasn't the same thing in 2004. Yeah. Media didn't have the exact, I mean, obviously there was plenty of coverage

of Obama's speech. But like he's saying he was watching the DNC convention and who should walk out on stage, but the guy who he did Coke with and had sex with in a comfort in, which was very depressing as a place to lodge. You know what I find funny about this? I, even if his story is 100% true, I don't believe I care at all.

And I don't think it is really newsworthy. Yeah. I mean, if it's tabloid fun, if you want like, here's another one, like, uh, that one time Robert Downey Jr. did Coke. Well, and the sex. I certainly do not think, uh think it matters if it's true. Were it to be true? I don't think it matters.

Right. And I think that maybe you could make an argument that there is hypocrisy involved and stronger support of the LGBTQ community from day one, maybe would have been more appropriate if you were hiding this aspect of his self. And you know, Larry makes an argument that what offended him is that he lied about his drug use. And that like, I know that you did these drugs. And you know, I think that's not really

worth anyone's time, but like, I guess that's something to be offended by. But yeah, in terms of like hooking up with it, some dude, I don't really care. It is. It is not that big a deal. The idea of a politician not lying about their drug use to some extent is so ridiculous to me as to be unattainable. We've all done drugs. We all do drugs.

And maybe... It's almost impossible to like make it through college without trying something. Totally. And everybody wants to turn it into a thing because everybody also does drugs. Well, we also want to turn it into a thing that like you didn't do drugs

because we still have that remnant of the past when it was like, oh no, degenerate skin drugs. Yeah. You know, and I think that that will eventually go away. Yeah, it is crazy to believe that we live through a fucking heroin is free for everybody. You can get it from your doctor and we are still like, hey, can't you drugs? Well, but that also was not in our lifetime or our parents lifetime.

The opioid crisis? No, I, oh, I thought you meant when you could get it just like over the counter. Oh, no, no, no, I mean, I mean, sorry. The opioid, yeah, it's heroin. Fair point. I miss red with you. Yeah, no, I got you. So you watched the DNC, but not only that, I think he's saying he watched it with some friends,

like a Super Bowl party. I'm sorry. And he's like, I blew that dude. I mean, so you're sitting there in Mexico watching this and you think, that's the guy I had sex with, you smoke crack it with me. Yep. And what do you think?

Like I said, I just started cracking up. I freaked out. I had even pointed out to some friends of mine that were at the house that night. And I told him, I'm a skin, I just started cracking up. I freaked out. I had even pointed out to some friends of mine that were at the house that night, and I told them, it's, you're not going to believe this. I blew this guy twice. And they just start cracking up. But that's the thing about me.

I've never been in the closet, I've never hid. I mean, I'm always very direct and blunt. And, you know, and I'm just like, this is unreal. It is. You cannot call yourself direct and blunt if you have a forgery charge to your needs. Multiple. Yeah, you can't, I mean, one is too many,

but if you have multiple, you definitely can't call yourself direct and blunt. Forgery is a direct method. Stealing someone's money. Yeah, you know what, you know, I was thinking about what you just said and about like, it wouldn't matter if this thing was true. Yeah.

And I was thinking about how like the, what he's talking about isn't even a factor for me. Like the sex and the drugs part of it are not details I'm interested in. It's all of these other details that make no sense. Yeah, this whole thing makes no sense. Someone getting sucked off makes total sense. Right, yeah.

People wanting to do drugs makes total sense. Totally. Obama is a human. Were that what he was about, and what he was into, it makes total sense that someone would do these things. Totally. The rest of these details make no sense.

Absurd. Him and his non-political friends were getting together at the house to watch the DNC in 2004. Were they gathered to watch the DNC or was he, did he suggest that the DNC was just happened to be on You've got a bunch of murder now you got a bunch of friends together having a nice little time in Mexico and somebody's like Turn the TV the DNC But I watch that yeah, or it's on in the background and he glances over like I

Don't know all of this makes no sense. Very strange. So Tucker wants to know, this guy, what was he like when he was on crack? That's a good question. Amazing. And I want to get to who Donald Young was in just a minute, but I apologize. Real quick. Jesus.

So Donald Young is a guy who allegedly reached out to Larry and was like, I fucked Obama too, and I know all about this, and he worked with Obama or something, and then he was murdered, and it's alleged that Obama murdered him, or the Obama machines. I was wondering if we were gonna get there. It has to be. I don't really have many clips of it,

because it's entirely convoluted. Yeah, amazing. And I wanna get to who Donald Young was in just a minute. But I apologize for being a bad interviewer. But let me just ask the obvious question. What was Obama like on crack? Actually, and I hate to say this, because some people are going to think I'm really crazy.

I knew a lot of people that smoked it, because I was in Miami in the early 80s when it became quite popular. Similar to a friend of mine that I knew in Miami gets extremely high calm, almost almost euphoric and then as it starts to come down, you know, the twitching and the looking, anything that looks white that's sitting on the seat or the floor you assume is another piece that fell off that you know you can pick up and smoke. But while he was high pretty much the same pretty controlled pretty controlled before it

talkative but not really saying anything so it was like his presidency a lot like it get him what a goddamn worm Tucker is. He's apologizing to Larry Fuckinson Claire about how he's a bad interviewer. So that's a strategy that Tucker is using to try to create rapport and make Larry feel more welcome to open up. It's not too dissimilar to what detectives do at the beginning of an interrogation. You want your subject to feel as open as possible so they'll say things they might not otherwise say and you do that by creating a false dynamic. For a detective it might be that they're your friend or that they know less than they

actually do. For Tucker it's that Larry is a high status important guest who deserves to be taken seriously. Other people don't take Larry seriously, particularly other high profile media figures, so Tucker is playing into that. Even though he's fully aware that he's talking to a totally disreputable con man. Tucker knows why other outlets don't take Larry seriously, and he's pretending not to understand all that, so he can coax the most sensational attention-grabbing

interview out of Larry as possible. I don't have any respect or concern for Larry, but it's worth noting that he's being exploited here as well. Yeah. Like, there's the next exploitation game going on all around. Yeah, but it's worth noting that he's being exploited here as well. Yeah. Like, there's the next-ploitation game going on all around. Yeah, but I mean, ah. You figure you're a small-time forger and then you wind up on Tucker Carlson's show. That's a milestone for a con man.

Yeah. You know? That's an achievement, I think he should be proud of himself for only that. Sure. So Larry makes these claims and it gets all like, you know, people talk about it, make fun of him. Sure. All this happens.

Yeah. This fella dies. Yeah. And everything is all a mess. Yeah. And then all of Larry's accounts get hacked. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Okay. And she made a YouTube video. By the way, I look for it last time. I couldn't find it. That's because YouTube gave access to my account to someone shortly after the polygraph test. And I was never given access back to it before the video was actually deleted. Are you serious? Oh yeah, YouTube gave access to the account and the video was deleted. Microsoft gave access to my hotmail account and all of my emails were circulating the internet and vacation replies were set up on my email telling people that I was busy giving glow jobs and we get back with them when I was done and oh yeah. That one sounds true man they wanted Obama to be president. Yep and they wanted me to be the biggest fraud and

nutcase that ever existed. You helped a little bit. So, like, what we have here is very clicked on the wrong link. Yeah. And he's making up a fun story about all of these people conspiring to make him just reputable. Yeah. And man, Tucker is so enabling. He's just like, man, they really wanted Obama to be president. I mean, the Obama team did this. The people who were trying to get him into office,

they carried out this attack on all of Larry's accounts. This guy sucks. I mean, I can't believe that the Obama team would go so far as to put a bunch of money message, reply. Oh my god, they must have really wanted him to be president. I mean, and some people say, now I don't know this, I'm not working for 538. No. But some people say that away message is what swayed the election.

I mean, I would have changed my vote for sure if I had or hadn't seen whatever it took for that right. So when Larry came out with these claims, obviously people were not really believing it. And one of those people, as I already mentioned, was Ben Smith, a political, and man, they don't like him. Yeah, but I mean, if it's the guys running for president and credible information, credible that he's smoking crack and having such a good mix. I mean that seems like a story. Well it would be a story of the media really cared about telling people the truth about it.

Their lives and that Ben Smith is a liar. Get on. Ben Smith's more than a liar. Get on. What do you mean more than a liar? He's a complete fraud. Get him. Ben Smith, you know, I hear people talking about grifters. Ben Smith to me as a grifter.

Get him. Ben Smith wrote an article saying that I had a 27-year career criminal. And the funny thing is, is if you look at my criminal history up, which I've published myself and provided from day one, my criminal history goes from 1980 to 1986. And everything I've ever done, I've owned it. I've never wasted taxpayer money. In any sentence, I've ever been driven.

I've served. So Ben's article relies entirely on public records and court documents. The 27 year history of crimes is based on him being arrested for larceny in 1981 and then doing a ton of crimes through the years until he was sent to jail. Even when he was in jail, he was still committing crimes. Quote in prison, according to the state records filed in federal court, Sinclair was disciplined 97 times for infractions, including assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse.

And then he got out and proceeded to commit more crimes. He was arrested in 2001 and tried to get the judge to let him off with a warning, which failed, and then he just didn't appear, leading to the warrant for his arrest that was active in 2008 when he was coming forward with the Obama story. 1981-2008 is a 27 year span all filled up with a bunch of crimes fully documented. Ben Smith isn't the problem here and attacking the messenger doesn't help. Larry is and always has been the grifter in this situation. Go like yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's just nothing. What do you say when a grifter says,

that's the real grifter, you just go, okay, well, you stop. Farewell. Yeah, good baby. Be done. So one of the issues here is that Obama's a racist. That's really one of the issues. It does feel like right now,

the entirety of this interview is meant for I am rubber and you are glue and whatever you say. It's a lot of this. Yeah, it's a lot of Nina Neiner it's meaner. Neiner. It's putting your hand on your thumb. Yeah, yeah, it's bad. So he's racist. Okay. I think Obama is calling the shots in the current By the administration more than people are willing to it based on what? Why? I think Obama. How bent. I had made a statement during that press conference that I felt that Barack Obama being elected was going to push race relations in this country backwards

50 years. I am absolutely positive I was. Yes. Well, I think you've been vindicated on that because race relations in this country has not only gotten pushed back, but everything's about race now. Everything. Everything is about victimization now. Really? It's interesting though.

Yeah, he's obviously a race hater. What? very white, but he had sex with a white man. So you have to ask, like, is that real? Oh, for him, of course. And I would be willing to bet you I'm not the only white person he's ever had. Socks wear nail. Anyone. Yeah. So I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. I, I, is a race hater. I mean, if, if you believe any of what is being said here by either of these two people Close your computer and go live your life, you know like that's the issue here You're you're getting a completely warped distorted view of reality, but you do it It can't you can't go live your life close your computer You can't because you go and live your life.

And while you're doing that, Obama is doing his third term with Biden trying to attack the whites. People just cannot get the idea that he does not want to be president anymore. Exactly. He wants Biden to take the fucking, they flak for it. It's perfect. He gets to be president without the downsides. I mean, here's what I'm saying.

Biden is just off on a beach in Delaware somewhere. I mean, Putin's doing what he's doing for power because he's insane. A reasonable person becomes president, sees what happens, and then gets a $7 billion deal from Netflix and never looks back. You know, that's what a regular normal person does. You wouldn't want to be president any longer?

Stupid. That's what a regular normal person does you wouldn't want to be president any longer stupid I think that something is to be said for How you know people come out of being president all gray haired yeah, and maybe Maybe that speaks to how you don't want maybe you know, it's stressful like you you saw W go from W to like old Christmas W why yeah, but you went from W to like old Christmas W. Why? Yeah. Yeah.

But he went from W to Y. Yeah, I'm not gonna get it. But he was already fairly old. Obama came in looking pretty young and hot. And he came out looking white hair. But he's still in stock. So it was looking good, but the transformative change. Yeah, transformative change. Yeah.

So anyway, this guy sucks. Yeah, Larry sucks, Tucker sucks. And here's the last clip of Tucker being the worst. Okay. Fucking idiot in the world. Okay. Larry Sinclair. I'm really grateful that you came. I wish I had interviewed you 2008. I don't think anyone would have run the interview I wish I had the interview to you in 2008. I don't think anyone would have run the interview Anyway, thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Great to meet you. You too I wish I wish I would have interviewed you in 2008, but at the time my brand was very different and I would have been and Probably was the exact people who rightfully were looking at you like you were alone at it totally because exact people who rightfully were looking at you like you were alone at totally because my profit margin wasn't dependent on taking it. It's like

you seriously. Yeah. So I'm sorry for that, but thanks for coming on and you know, maybe trying to get something to go viral with me. Yeah, it is, it is kind of very self-evident in in a like if I'm, if I'm Larry looking at him and he's talking to me about the past and stuff, I'm looking at me having stayed exactly the same, you know, for 30 years. I've just been here sitting and then out of nowhere, Tucker's life completely changes and now I'm sitting next to Tucker, you know, and it's like Tucker's life has gone all over the place. And this guy is just waiting for you to call. Yeah. And you know, there's

a similarity to that. I mean, it's kind of apropos that we covered the story five years ago through the prism of Alex talking about it because it is a similar dynamic with Tucker. It is. You know, like Alex has not stayed in the same place. Obviously, he's gotten worse and more, you know, he's changed a bit, but not nearly to the extent that Tucker has changed. Yeah. Alex has stayed closer to his own core in the same way that Larry has stayed closer to his own core. And Tucker has just like desperately chased after them to give himself some kind of relevancy in an eroding and self-degraiding Media space. Yeah, and so congratulations. You dumb fuck. Yeah, just go somewhere and be rich and leave everybody alone. Yeah, go to a beach and Delaware

I have a bunch of beach and Delaware and be rich and leave everybody alone. It would be nice. It would be nice. So anyway, this is the end of our coverage of Tucker Interviewing and Idiot. What a weird day. Yep. So Jordan. Yes, Dan.

Europe is nice and we'll be there for a bit. I can't wait. And we'll be back with another episode soon. And we have a website. Yep. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter It's at knowledge of his girlfriend. Yep. We'll be back, but until then I'm neo-MDO and DCX Clarks ski bada-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,