Knowledge Fight - #873: March 24, 2004

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to experience Alex doing a show about the police taking blood for DUI checks.  In the process, he does two bizarre interviews and kind of reveals that he just doesn't think people should be trying to stop drunk driving.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys. It's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge, Faith. Knowledge, Faith. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys. Shang-Ee are the bad guys. Knowledge, Faith. Dan and Jordan, knowledge, Faith. I need money. I need money. Well, what?

Andy and Pamela. Andy and Pamela. Stop it. Andy and Pamela. Andy and Pamela. I'm Andy. Andy. It's time to pray. Andy and Pamela. She's only here a place for holdings. Handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, Welcome back to college fight. I'm Dan. I'm George work. I will do it's like sit around We're should put the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Joe Indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan. Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today Jordan, I think there's a cloud that hangs over the room

But I will allow you because I know I'm sure it's gonna be your bright spot. So I'll leave it to you Oh, no, I wasn't gonna be my bright spot. No, no, absolutely not that doesn't sound like you. No, I well I understand I understand but here's what people don't get about this Which really bums me out, right? And it's nothing to celebrate. He won he won by up and any objective way of looking at it This man proves that there is no cosmic good or evil. There is no Cormac there is no Kissinger. Yeah, there is no none of this we should not be celebrating

We should only have celebrated if he experienced consequences for anything he ever did one time But instead you can be evil be rewarded beyond all of your imagination and then die a hundred years old with people loving you So that's that's not your bright spot now now my bright spot, okay, my bright spot would have been if he got hit by a truck That's not your bright spot now my bright spot. Okay. My bright spot would have been if he got hit by a truck Or shot into the sun or any number of different creative ways for a hundred to be celebrated. I see I see My bright spot is I got back into mst3k watching the original series Sure, you a Joel guy. Oh love Joel. I love Joel and Mike. I don't have a I don't have a fight I don't need to fight between the two. I feel like almost everybody has a fight. I feel like Joel guys don't like Mike. Mike, Mike folks don't like Joel.

There's their one there. Whatever, but whatever blood there may have been. They're financing a new season season 14. Everybody crowd fund it. Joel and Mike are both involved. So what are you gonna do? I never thought I'd see the day. Never. I did go back and I watched. I mean, it actually was the beginning as they were there to. Sure.

No, I mean, I've never stopped seeing the day again. Yeah, right. But like, there's, I think, I don't know, maybe it was Mitchell that I went back and watched because classic. Yeah. Good old Mitchell. But I remember, it was like, this is slower than I remember.

It's a testament to how much shows have gotten like frenetic, like quick paced. That show feels like molasses. It really does, yeah. But not in a bad way. No, no, no, no, no. I've just, it's just really enjoyable. And on, you know, there's the nostalgic element too

of it too, but also there's just like, there really isn't anything like this. No. And especially not now, you know, like this is a MS-T3K is a unique thing. And something that has such a like public access as. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just homemade as UHF weird al kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

You a crow guy or you a servo guy? I like crow. I'm a big fan of crow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I might be more of a servo. I'm a TV's Frank. Let's be real. Sure. Trace, Trace Bolo. You know, what are you going to do? Always mysterious how to pronounce that name. They were at up north.

Up north, yeah. I couldn't make it. We both put it in a set. We said hello. Yeah. Figured out how to pronounce his last name. Please, tell him about it. My bright spot is I guess, you know,

hey, I don't like to, I don't want to promote Spotify, but it's been very nice seeing all these people posting their year rap and seeing how much way too long they've listened to our show. It's nice in some sense of like, oh, well, people are listening and they can, and you know, I know they are, but there is kind of like an outpouring of like, we do like your show. Yeah. And I, you know, I know Spotify is exploiting that in order for advertising.

Totally. And what have you and I don't appreciate that. But it is, it is, it is, I mean, seeing some of those numbers. It's overwhelming. So they're very, there's a lot of minutes. I did not know there were that many in a year. Sometimes I hear that. I've seen a couple folks who have posted six digit numbers.

I don't, I don't even like seeing the, yeah, no, I didn't even like seeing. I didn't like seeing numbers that had to separate by H, you know, like I didn't, that's too many. That's so many. Yeah, but thank you all for listening and enjoying the show. Yes, thank you very much. My secondary bright spot, I was thinking about that. I was thinking about not having that because of Spotify and all the I don't

Sure, no free rides. This isn't an all-de-podcast. It's not a Spotify podcast. Yeah, it's definitely not Celine has been Struggling with static electricity lately. Oh, I don't know what's happened But there's a lot of static electricity and so like she'll rub up against me and It's a lot of fun. Yeah, that's it's it's not because they can't you know Celine doesn't really understand the concept of it. But it's really hurting. No, it doesn't it's just very funny. Yeah. So Jordan today we have an episode to go over. Okay. And here's the sitch. What is it? Henry Kissinger died last night. He did. As we're recording this. Right. So

today Alex would be responding to it. Yes. But didn't really have time that we would be able to turn it around to cover his show today on the show we're recording today. Yeah. So we'll do that for Monday. Right. I decided to put that off for Monday. At the same time, I felt like, well, who cares with Alex was saying the day before kissing their died. It does feel like it made everything useless. Why aren't you talking about that? Right, there is that. So I decided we're gonna go all the way out the beaten path and go back to the past.

Okay. So we're in 2004 today. We're talking about March 24th, 2004. All right. On this, this here, excursion. We 24. Oh, four. Alex does a couple of interviews about the same topic and they're quite different.

So we'll see how that goes. But first, Jordan Jordan let's say hello to some new wank. Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, uh, Skullbat 308. Thank you so much, you're an Aopolicy Wong. I'm a policy Wong. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Lucky Psycho. Thank you so much, you're an Aopolicy Wong. I'm a policy Wong. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Melissa, aka Squatch's Only Hero. Thank you so much, you're an AOPOLISYWANK. I'm a policy wank. Thank you very much. Thank you, next, Scott and Emily in West Virginia

and our cats, Franken Beans. Thank you so much, you're an AOPOLISYWANK. I'm a policy wank. Thank you very much. Next, on second thought, let's not be technocrats. It's a silly name. Thank you so much, you're an AOPOLISYWANK. I'm a policy wank.

Thank you very much. Thank you, and we had a technocrat in the mix to split a silly name. What a silly name. Thank you so much, too. I'm playing cocaine addict and a murder mystery and Alex Jones is my template. Thank you so much You are now a technic grad. I'm a policy walk Don't honk him out and tell you brilliant someone someone satan might send me a book in a poop daddy shark Jar Jar Banks has a Caribbean black action.

He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. You could do worse. Yes. You could do worse. I'm not an addict. He's an enjoyer of cocaine.

That is a good question. And I'm not sure if it's cocaine. It's stimulant of some variety. Sure. Sure. Yeah. What is it? What is an addict when it comes to a man who needs something just to survive? Well, that's not the only thing. Are we a water addict?

Yes. Oh, okay. Well, then that is, yeah, he's an addict. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that tracks. So, we start here and Alex has, he announces at the beginning of the show, this interview series. Actually, he doesn't make it clear that there's going to be two interviews. Right. Until the, until the third hour, but he announces the first interview right at the top. Okay. I got interested. Okay.

We have a ultra massive show for you today. In 30 minutes, I have a district attorney coming on in a major state who says he loves making people give blood at checkpoints and you better get used to it. Imagine driving up to a checkpoint 50 cars are stopped in front of you every third car is pulled over police officers handcuffed you in jab needles into your arm sucking out your blood. The Nazis imagine watching an old movie you the Nazis on board the train sucking people's blood. Did they know one would buy that? I mean just showing the papers was bad enough but see how far we've gone. I'm not sure that asking for papers or hypothetically taking blood samples is what I most shudder about when I think of the

Nazis. As of 2019 there were nine states that-fledged police philobotomy programs, and they aren't necessarily the most appealing things for states to adopt. They're meant to be sure to fire screens for impaired drivers, but they're also super unpopular with the public, and the cost of implementing them are pretty high. You need to set up special training and certification for officers, and you introduce all the possibilities of like an officer messing up while drawing blood and then you end up with a lawsuit. You introduce all these nasty variables into the equation when you consider that you're trying to take blood in an unsteril environment like in a car, it's just not worth it for

most police departments. You would have to be incredibly stupid and only a cop would think it's a good idea. That's why, or at least part of it, why even in those states that allow blood draws for DUI checks, it's much smoother for them just to establish probable cause through some other sobriety checks and then take you to the station and do a blood test. I mean, and also not for nothing at this point now in the present day, you need to have a warrant to compel someone. You shouldn't be allowed to have a warrant. Compel someone.

You shouldn't be allowed to have my blood. In the past, there were implied consent laws in some states, but since then, they've been overturned. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so now it's a situation where they cannot compulsively take your blood without a judge. Right. I understand. I understand that it's 2023, and I am aware of how modern

stuff works. Yeah. But it is not far enough for removed for me and really the entire human race to say that stealing my blood is not also magic. That is also magic. I just, it's not far enough away. It is something that is shocking that it was okay. Like compelling people to provide blood samples. I mean, that's, that should be a fight, right? And I think, I think that it was in the courts, and that's why it's not okay anymore. I mean, that would make sense, yeah. I do, I do think that it was probably not usually done.

Sure. The forcing. Sure. Boy, it doesn't get point. Are you, are you, excuse me? Are you holding down that man and taking his blood to see if he's drunk? Mm-hmm. And you think you're the one in the right. Well, the police's arguments were always that, you know, it's a matter of time. You know, like just the blood will metabolize the alcohol. Oh, yeah. And so if you wait too long, then you won't have the evidence that you need in order to prove that the person was driving drunk.

And courts eventually found that this is not. Yeah. That needs to be worthwhile argument. I think every police department should hire someone to just slap all of their lawyers regularly because they're insane. Typically, what the blood situation is, is there's already probable cause. Right. You're already arrested for a drunk driving thing.

And this is something you are consenting to. You're just stealing my blood. Well, you're consenting to it at that point. Sure. Because the, you know, officers like you're going to get arrested anyway. Yeah. You just need the evidence. Sure.

Sure. So most people end up being like, all right, fine. If you want my blood, you're going to have to get it off the concrete, my man. So, but here's the thing. Yeah. Either way, I'm excited for an interview with this district attorney that Alex is setting up as being like a vampire.

Yeah, I mean, I was- He loves taking your blood. I was just thinking, I was just thinking I was like, would it be Dracula's general? I think that's what we would be talking about for the plural here, yeah. Uh-huh. So, you know, we have,... obviously the entire premise of this is

fighting drunk driving right you know that is what's behind all of this right whether or not you agree with the tactics that are used uh... the strategies what they're doing is attempting to cut down on drunk driving right which Alex seems to be against and obviously it's a success just stop drunk driving right which Alex seems to be against and i'll obviously is from the system drunk driving police travel but and let me tell you something about mad folks there are front for the government that's not going to be a drunk driving it's about a police state setting up

automatic toll roads on all highways automatic checkpoint systems they passed the federal laws the federal funding to do it back in nineteen ninety eight minutes in my film police state two thousand released an early 99. So that's the reality of what we're dealing with it. That's what you're dealing with? Yeah, mothers against drunk driving are the front for the government.

Globulous. Yeah, I get it. Like Alex thinks that people should just be allowed to drive drunk because the state shouldn't impede your liberty or ability to travel or whatever In present day, I would be totally convinced this position just came from place of him just being a complete alcoholic and not wanting to get pulled over Yeah, but in the past he doesn't seem like he's that out of control So it may be just be libertarian bullshit just some just it's it's fun to against, but not fun to like live in a world where it's okay. Yeah. Whatever the case, it is fun to hear that

mother's against drunk driving is a secret globalist front trying to bring in the police state. Always great. They're not as much of an active force, apparently, in the world of 2023 for Alex. They're, they're role in the hierarchy just below Klaus Schwab. Who, who, who pushed them down out of the out of the headlines Alex got bored so here's a reality that Alex doesn't want to deal with literally nothing that we do stop drunk driving education campaigns don't work because pretty much everyone knows that drunk driving is dangerous and yet people still do it yeah people know that their serious consequences legally

speaking and that you could kill that yourself or others, and yet they still do it. By the time you're at the point of deciding to drive drunk or not, you're drunk, and your decision-making skills are impaired. That means at least some of the people who totally know better and would never decide to drive drunk do so anyway. And then they kill people. For some context, in the year 2000, 32% of traffic fatalities involved at least one driver over .08 BAC. In

2021, it was 31%. In 2021, there are actually 160 additional fatalities involving alcohol and pair drivers than there were 21 years prior. And you can pretty much just guarantee that every year at least 10,000 people are going to die for no reason because people drive drunk. Yeah. This isn't to say that drawing blood at checkpoints is the right solution, but it is to say that people have every reason to propose solutions like this to solve a seemingly unsolvable problem. Alex's solution seems to be do nothing,

and that doesn't sound super convincing. Sure. I get that all this seems like a horrible tyranny to him, but I do wonder how his perspective might change if one of his children were killed by a drunk driver. That's a large part of what motivated the creation of Mad, the tragedy of this becoming personally real. It's just an abstraction to Alex, so as long as the issue remains abstract, he's able to paint those traumatized by the issue as evil people trying to promote tyranny.

To recognize the legitimate human motivation in trying to fight an issue like drunk driving would be to critically weaken his own fragile position. So it's much easier just to demonize these people. And great, I don't think that taking blood at checkpoints is the right solution. Right. But I get that it is in service of this

and it isn't something that was widespread. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there's I mean you can't you can't do it because Words I mean the prohibition didn't even stop drunk driving, you know, like there's nothing you can do fuck I didn't include a clip but Alex goes on a log jag on this episode about how prohibition was a conspiracy Prohibition was I mean prohibition wasn't a conspiracy, but it was essentially, hey, we've got to keep men from beating the shit out of their wives all the time. And then they were like, well, what if we just got rid

of booze, and then they found out that you can't just get rid of shit? That's just not how shit works. Oh, no, it was a conspiracy in order to make booze illegal, so you could create a police state by chasing down people who had booze. Right. Men thought a lot of things about things that are made to keep them from hitting people. So, mothers against drunk driving bad. Yeah. Now, the beginning of this becoming

an episode for Alex is that he read an article in the Wall Street Journal that had to do with taking blood from people in order to verify their blood alcohol content. Wild that you could read that in the Wall Street Journal and not immediately go like, we gotta call somebody who, what the fuck is going on there, just taking blood? Fine, okay. Obviously the article itself doesn't quite match Alex's version of things.

Fair enough, but. So there's an article, the district attorney vampire is somebody who's mentioned in the article who's an art what the the district attorney of ampire yes is somebody who's mentioned in the article and it was interviewed with in the article and so that's that's how this ball got rolling right and there's some other stuff in this article that's actually pretty disturbing and in this article it says in push the stop not driving police job blood authorities often must force suspects to give samples, a dilemma for doctors. Wall Street Journal and that subhead line, Mr. Jones, dies fighting. They kicked his face in, they tied him down and kicked his face until his

fill his eye actually, you know, fell out, gave the whole eye in. And he dies. And they got their blood. I said, America, where are we, jab needles and you had jack points? Cause we're free. So Alex is mixing up some stories here. The whole thing that's supposed to be like here is about the whole story is about police taking blood at checkpoints, which Alex is staunchly opposed to. But then he takes this Wall Street Journal article and tries to use it to support his point but it doesn't work.

This guy that he's referring to, Terry Jones almost certainly died because of police brutality, and an autopsy did show that he was kicked in the head, which contributed to his death. That's inexcusable, and nothing I'm saying is to minimize what the police did here, but it doesn't really work for Alex's argument. Jones was already in custody at the time. The police had found him asleep behind the wheel of his parked car, which was still running, and there was an open 22-ounce beer in his car. So he was pretty much going to get arrested. Sure. He was arrested, and then he was taken to the station where he allegedly threatened and fought the officers who were attempting to do a blood test.

Police obviously should have had better protocol if they had a subdued somebody who's in custody, but that's a different issue than the one Alex is grandstanding about. For this to make sense, Alex is going to need to expand his complaint out and have it to be about like, the police shouldn't be able to compel you to do anything, even if you've already been arrested. And I think that's a tough argument for him to make. However, it is kind of nice that in 2004, Alex was against police killing people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the bar is about as low as it can be.

It is about as low as it can be. It is shocking. It is shocking to like recognize the like, there's a time. There was a time when he dealt with this a lot differently because his brand was so police state oriented. Yeah. That his racism did not eclipse his fear of the police. Man, those are the days when we could all be united around an actual enemy. So what are you going to do? So in this instance, this is Terry Jones.

This person was, I would say a victim of the implied consent rules, where they were going to compile a blood sample from him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he was fighting with them, probably because he was still drunk also. Well, there's definitely that, but I mean, that's that's so stupid though, that's I've I think in a large part, that's why it is not the case

and in around anymore. So Alex introduces this vampire district attorney who is not a vampire. No. And Alex actually probably should have prepared a little bit before he did this interview. No. Suddenly Mr. Jones went limp. The corner rule Mr. Jones died of an acute cardiac arrhythmia. A heart rhythm disturbance. But a second autopsy performed by a retired deputy medical examiner. The request of Mr. Jones, Mrs. Jones's widow, found that his head had been beaten and his left eye crushed. Had it up in the trauma, he probably would not have died the doctor, testified.

And it's the last of March. Jury Rule, the police and jail officials weren't responsible. Paul Martin, the jail chief says it is now uses a specially made chair with velcro straps to restrain drivers brought in for forced blood draws. Joining us is a district attorney from different area of the country, John O'Boyle district attorney of Pierce County, Wisconsin. And we're honored to have him on the show. He says that I've really pushed it.

He believes in it. And he says blood i've really pushed it he believes in it and he says blood test tend to be pretty bullet print close quote surge could have you on the show uh... so you're a big fan of this what did the blood uh... drawing star well i'm a big fan of having officers obtain uh... in due blood test is their primary test under our law uh... when they are somebody for an OWI, they have a choice between either

having the person submit to a breath test, urine test or a blood test, and I've advocated for them to always use the blood test because it's the best, best result. Now let's make that clear. In the stocks of mainstream news articles I have, and I've mainly seen this out west, they don't give you a choice

They say we're taking your blood on the side of the road. Were you aware of that? No, I'm not. We don't do that in Wisconsin. Oops. So you can see here, Alex is trying to finesse this interview from the jump. His moves are intentional but also very clunky and I think that there's a lack of preparation that hurt the trap that he was trying to set here. Yeah Alex's first move is to recover this story about Terry Jones dying in custody because it's important for Alex to ascribe approval of that killing onto the guest. The guest supports the drawing of blood to verify DUI arrests, so he therefore must support killing Mr. Jones. That's obviously a nonsense conclusion to draw, but it's the frame that Alex is trying

to begin the interview with. The second big move is a complete failure on Alex's part, which is an attempt to saddle a boil this district attorney with the sin of drawing blood at checkpoints. Unfortunately, Alex didn't prepare and doesn't know that that isn't something that they do in Wisconsin, so now he essentially is lost in the weeds of the conversation.

He knows that this needs to be an adversarial interview, since that's how the entire first half hour of the show has set this thing up But now his guest is stated that they don't do the thing Alex is so mad about So in order for this to remain emotionally satisfying for the audience Alex is gonna need to find another thing to attack oboeil about or else this thing is gonna flounder in the water or screwed See that's that's the that's the thing can save this. You can save this very easily. I mean, just because he says that doesn't mean anything, you know, like, oh, you say that

now. Sure, but it exists. You're drawing blood. So that means it's going to go over time in either two ways. It's going to be, you can draw it right next to the sidewalk or it's going to be, you can't do it at all. That's how it moves in the future. But you have to defend it now.

There's no reason to assume that it goes that way. Yeah, it is. There's no other way for stuff to go. It can just stay the same. Really? Yeah! Drawing blood on the side of the road can just stay the same. No, because it doesn't exist. Yes, it does.

Not in Wisconsin. But it will. It's... See? This is how you argue. It doesn't have to make sense that you have to argue It certainly doesn't make sense. That's not the point right so the obvious thing here is That Alex has a decent point right if he wants it which is Taking blood without consent or without a court order is bad. Bad. Right. If he just chose to stand on that leg, things kind of would be fine.

And it would be, well, here's the problem. Yeah. That like the DA wouldn't disagree with him really at all. And then there wouldn't be a disagreement. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, the conversation has to be just like, listen, I don't know if in this case it's used appropriately or not, but I do know that in the history of the United States, the one thing that they can't have is control over my blood. I can't let them have it. I'll tell you why, read the history of the United States. The government should not have my blood.

You end up in an argument where Alex has one position which is they should not be able to take blood without consent. Right. And then you have a DA who's like, we don't do that. Right. I don't know about other states. Right. And then you're kind of at a stalemate where you want to pillory this guy,

you want to attack him. Yeah. And then you have to attack him for things that other states are doing that presumably he is not in favor of. Yeah. So I say you switch tax and then you start asking for his blood. I don't think that's a terrible idea Yeah, I mean it's over the phone. You're blood right now

Mail it. I dare you Alex does have to kind of weave around a little bit and try to figure out how to do this interview How long ago did Wisconsin start this start doing doing what the blood testing? I think it's been around for quite a long time I mean I've been prosecut practicing here for ten years and you know we've always advocated to have the officers utilize a blood test their primary test as opposed to the brunt of the urine test just because it's more accurate now the the road to hell is paid with good intentions uh... but i mean imagine an old black and white movie

the germans on the train would have been sticking needles in people uh... i mean white movie if the Germans on the train would have been sticking needles in people I mean stick the government's sticking needles in us you don't think that's big brother I don't think in the context of an O.W.I. arrest no because they lawfully can do it it can a blood draw can be done this is a tragic start for the interview yeah it's not good I don't think he intended to pull out the Nazis on the train imagery so early soon but it feels like he has nowhere to go to his panic. Oh, boy, it has a sensible answer for Alex's questions and Wisconsin isn't doing the shit that Alex is wanting to argue about. So what ground are we going to dispute here? We got to find something to fight about.

I mean, God, Godwin's law is supposed to be after at least a few back and forths. It's not like Godwin's law. The first thing anybody says is you're a Nazi. That's not how it's supposed to work. It's supposed to be like we have a disagreement. Not just like, hey, you're a Nazi. Or don't you think this thing that you don't do but I'm accusing you of is not the issue? Also, I think I don't wanna be insensitive.

Yeah, but I think in the context of why Nazis were putting people on train. Sure. Doing a DUI test is not necessarily like, that's not a big thing in terms of what they were doing. If you found out they were doing a DUI test, you would have been filled with relief. That is the way I would be. It's a strange way for Alex to try and describe Nazi-ish

this to police doing DUI tests. One thing that this does already bring to the table, which I always enjoy, is when somebody who thinks they are just doing their job is then interacting with Alex. I already you can feel this guy just being like, I'm just explaining my job. I'm not doing anything controversial. I'm not doing anything controversial I'm not doing anything. I'm not even trying to like make a point. I'm just telling you it's like you're coming to visit me at work It takes it takes him a while to get the lay of the lamp But he does eventually get to the point where he's like oh, I get it you're a dick. So

There's there's an issue of impairment with driving obviously that's behind why these things are done so what about uh... non-boose impairment how do you feel about that asshole on the officer thinks they're on drugs and the other states i've seen they said they take the blood did also look for other drug right and we we've done that too we've had one of the blood test is that obtain the result has been taint obtained we have a mall sent to our state laboratory of hygiene and uh... most of the time they're just doing the the screens for alcohol but we've

also on occasions uh... have them run a screen for drugs to because we have seen situations where there's a combination of drugs and alcohol uh... what you do of its legal drugs because red line is legal method that i mean prosack is a legal hallucinogen uh... i mean what do you do about all the legal drugs they got everybody hopped up on well it depends because our law actually conceivably you could be prosecuted

for operate under the influence of a uh... of a drug even though the drug is, if it impairs your ability to safely operate. So if you don't commit suicide from the pros, you'll end up in jail either way, so it's kind of a problem. Well, not necessarily, no. I'm sure you heard about the suicide with the drugs, um, no. No. So the question of impairment by legal drugs is an interesting and complex matter.

You have all sorts of variables to consider in that space, like whether or not the person was taking a medication legally or as indicated by their prescription. It's very conceivable that somebody could be arrested for driving impaired by legal medication, in fact, it happens a bunch. One of the most clear-cut examples of this is Zolpedam, or Ambien, the sleeping pill that can cause people to do all sorts of shit they don't remember if they don't take it correctly or if something just goes weird with their body chemistry. There have been tons of people arrested for driving while impaired by Ambien, and the

fact that they have legal access to the medication doesn't protect them for prosecution. The dangers of prosect your ability to drive are much smaller, and would generally involve something like you suffering from a side effect like insomnia, from the medication that would then in turn impair your driving. But you can see what Alex is doing here, which is basically him desperately trying to find a foothold. He's throwing out the most loosely connected talking points because he's trying to find some kind of way to have a gotcha moment. Oboil is openly discussed how even some legal drugs can cause impaired driving, and that can get you arrested, but agreement isn't what Alex is after. He's out for a dunk, so he takes this moment of agreement to extend

things further, outside the real parameters of what this interview is supposed to be about, hoping to create the appearance that he needs. Also, if Alex is really concerned about impaired driving for medications like Prozac, then I would think you should be super in favor of blood testing. If you're not going to catch somebody with Prozac with a breath test, yeah. This is a point of incoherence in his position because he doesn't really have a position that ties together as much as he has a collection of separate stands he likes to take that are rooted in opposition to defiance. And like I'm saying, if this is sincerely just Alex being opposed to impaired or implied consent in various states, that makes sense.

Sure. But that's not what he's doing. No. I find it fascinating that term implied consent doesn't even come up. Here's what I find fascinating. And I think we all know it because it's something that we all do.

Like we have a specific tone of voice created for a hysterical dick question. You know that like, oh yeah, well, what about this? Like we all know it. We've all exercised it at a certain point or another. Yeah. We all internalize the fact that we know if you make that voice, you're the one being an asshole.

Right, you know it. There's no other way around it. Why is it that we allow it to just happen? Like if you hear that, shouldn't you be allowed to just go like, Ha, I heard it. No? Well, you do have to at least start to think like these are deep waters.

Yeah. I am not talking to somebody who wishes me well in this review. Yeah, I see. I hear the sounds you're making. Yeah. And it only kind of gets worse. Yeah. Has anybody died not giving blood and was constantly?

No, I think that I'm aware of and all our draws are done either in a hospital setting or we've had a medical provider come into the actual jail and do the draw there what do you do if somebody refuses to kill that somebody refuses and we've had this situation come up where they've you know essentially said you know you're going to have to hold me down to do it, and the law does allow us to use, law officers to use reasonable amount of force to obtain the blood sample. But typically what happens is the suspect will ask the nurse if they can do it, and the

nurse will tell them, yeah, they can, and then the person cooperates. In 10 years, I've not seen a situation in my county where somebody has actually been physically held down to have the blood sample. Are you familiar with the executive order clinton signed in 93 for your and blood testing at drop-school facilities? No. That's actually the law, but they've never implemented. I wonder what people are going to think going to get their drivers license when it's not just biometrics but they want our blood. I'm not aware of that at all, and driver's license when it's not just biometrics But they won our blood

I'm not aware of that at all, and I don't think that's not done up here at all Have you heard of the public schools now wanting the president Bush wants to drug test everybody? No Yeah, he gave a radio address a few weeks ago. Oh really radio address Radio address Silences implementing his next strategy to win the argument here by trying to make Oboil look uninformed by ambushing him with a bunch of weird info wars talking points that he clearly has no familiarity with. The audiences heard Alex say these things and things like them for years and they've

been trained to think that if Alex is saying something that it means something it's big. So the effect here is to make Oboil look like a total idiot. He doesn't even know that Clinton signed this executive order demanding your blood. Sure, you may sound like a totally reasonable guy, but this guy's uninformed. How can I even take anything he's saying seriously? In his county, there's never been people being held down. Please. I'm just saying-

I can't believe that. If you don't know that Clinton is trying to get your blood, then you shouldn't be an attorney general. No. That's just a prerequisite for the job district attorney. I've been on LinkedIn. Uh-huh district attorney. Oh, well, then that's fine. Never mind. He's doing the right thing. Sure. Yeah.

Just a load of shit. And again, I keep I keep coming back to this. If Alex had the right argument, he has a good point. Yeah, no 100% it's it's it's the way it is. Anyway, this was always it's it's furious. It is the way it is anyway This was always meant to be a fight. Yeah, Alex's yes, and Alex is not getting there How could you you have to alert someone to it? Is he many pack you doesn't walk up into the fucking stands and punch somebody in the head?

They do all thing Alex started I can't what am I how old am I I don't know I like started this off though Yeah, here's a DA who loves taking her blood at checkpoints and you want to talk all about it It is a start and it is not what this is if this was that there would have been an organic fight that would have started But this guy doesn't have the positions that Alex has as a scribe to him and it's not working out So Alex just has to like get with the script and be like look I want to have a fight with you Okay, I'm sure you've heard a lot of schools are moving to drug testing everybody. You didn't hear that? Drug testing teachers or school- All the students.

No, I'm not aware of that. What do you think of that? Well I guess it depends on what the circumstances are for the particular school. I don't know, I'm tired to comment on something. What would you say this? Okay, the school from others against Grunger, driving in the rest of it. And I've got the federal plans on this. The National Seat Delta Initiative Program, Part Three.

They admit it's about getting issues to check points, getting issues to having our vehicles, sir, getting us used to having our masters, the government, and our owners, and I appreciate the great job you do, owning us and running us. But at the same same time people are getting very angry about this and and and you know I'm not going to give my blood anybody I don't drink and drive and you know uh...

so i guess the police now or judge jury and executioner they just go ahead and arrest me and take me on down to have my blood sucker if i'm in Nevada uh... or if i'm in uh... some place like Arizona i guess they'll just hold me down on the side of the highway and a veterans and jab the needles into me. I, you know, I can't, I don't know what goes on in those other states. I only deal with what goes on in my jurisdiction and my state.

I would find that kind of hard to believe that that would happen. Oops. Yeah, you would. I've taken the bait. You would find it kind of hard to believe. So this is the real point Alex wanted to get to from the start This is the point where he gets to pretend he's speaking truth to power where he takes a stand against the man

It's just kind of not that compelling though because Alex fucked up with how he set up the skit This was supposed to be a district attorney who loves taking your blood at checkpoints Which would have given Alex a perfect opportunity to take his stand and lambast this evil doer on behalf of the American people out there who don't have the voice that Alex has. You will not take my blood at checkpoints, sir." But that failed, because this guy doesn't do the thing that Alex said he does, and he doesn't know about these other laws and states enough to comment on them. So yelling at him for that just isn't going to fly.

So Alex needed to pivot, and he starts trying to find the other little footholes where he might be able to get a chance to fight with him. Maybe he won't support arrests for people who are impaired by legal drugs. That could work. Maybe he'll be really into tying people down to forcibly take their blood after their arrest. That wouldn't be the same fight as I was supposed to be having, but it's close. All this failed, so now Alex is trying to manufacture whatever fight he can, and his last attempt

is about how Bush apparently said on the radio that he wants to drug test everyone at schools out of the end that didn't really spark a conflict so now it says no other option left and just to wind him anyway as if they had a serious disagreement because that was the point all along the point all along was to pretend that Alex is uh uh up against the avatar of the government who just wants to oppress everyone. So Alex gets to be the heroic voice of the people saying, no, you will not. This just wasn't built right. And Alex just seems like he's whining.

It's just not justified. This guy's polite and he's sincerely answering Alex's questions, and then out of nowhere, Alex launches into this diatribe. It's just unearned from a structural standpoint. You know what blows me away, we even further, is that Alex didn't even take the opportunity to see if a fight could start whenever he,

the guy was like, oh, most of our blood tests are taken in hospital settings or anything like that. Alex should then immediately be like, okay, well then would you do it on the side that we're like, if you had your drug, like start something. He probably would say no.

Now, here's the way you wedge the fight from there. Do you feel that your officers compel people whether or not they are forcing them? Yeah. Do you feel like they are giving, uh, the, the, they're making it seem like people have to do it when they don't actually have to do it? Mm-hmm. You know, that kind of thing could be a much better way to wedge an argument into a fight there,

but Alex is just completely fucked up in how he built this fight. Or then you can make up all kinds of shit once you've got the cops involved. You can be like, you know, I've been hearing from a lot of people on the force in your area that they're against the rules that keep them from taking those blood tests. Why not? Are they? Yeah, why not? Who fucking cares? Right. Why are you doing the shitty version of the thing you could be doing? You've got this guy who probably isn't used to dealing with incredibly bad state factors.

Doesn't even know you could be. You know, like it is, like I think now in 2023, the whole of the world knows like, oh, people like this exist. Yeah. In 2004, he is blindsided. This existence is just not even, this is an alien. I was talking to your deputy yesterday and it tells me, blah, blah, blah, blah. 100's here, you're like, no, that's physically

impossible for you to have been doing that. Right. Well, so we've laid out that we want to fight. Alex has made it clear that this is not a cool interview. White glove throne, yes. Yeah. And so now we're going to try and find other things to pick fights about. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that law does allow when somebody at least in my state and I'm sure this probably consistent other state once you're placed lawfully under arrest for drug driving law enforcement officials have the option of obtaining evidence and the blood is evidence of a crime. So they're law enforcement officials and authorities are not servants. What do you mean by? Well we used to just 10

years ago it was public law enforcement public servants, peace officers, it's enforcement now, it's authorities, it's officials. I'm not sure, ma'am, semantics, police officers put somebody arrest under arrest for an order to eye, and they have the lawfully can obtain evidence. What I'm saying, sir, is that the semantics are very important. For 10 years now we've been called civilians, police are civilians, our mayor here in Austin calls us civilians. Is this a military government? I don't know what your mayor calls it down there. This is like the semantic argument is meaningless. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. This is just a weird direction that he's taking things in when there is a prime road to go down. If you want to talk about the issue, which is after you're arrested, you don't have the right to say no to your blood being taken. Yeah. There is the issue. It's very simple. It's very simple. Instead, you're talking about what terms are used because I don't know why. What exactly are my rights the moment that you arrest me? You can take all my blood? How much blood exactly do you get to have after I'm arrested as far as consent is concerned? How much do you get personally? Yeah, yeah. Are you a vampire?

It would have been good to clarify. I would have helped. So Alex lays out his point here and eloquently is a word you didn't add there. I feel like I reserve judgment on that. Okay, but I do I do think that he doesn't do it well in a way that is not easy to sidestep. Well, look, this is the point I'm trying to make to you. You can say, yeah, right? Well, Mr. Oboil, you know, I had you on, you sound like you don't sound like a mean guy, so I'm not gonna jump on you like I plan to do. But this is what I'm trying to say to you. Okay. This is what I'm trying to get across. You can say it's the law.

We had a law that black people weren't human beings. That doesn't make it just. We had a law that black people couldn't right at the front of the bus. That doesn't make it just. We had a law that women couldn't vote. That doesn't make it just. So just because the courts say that you can have,

which side men down at the jail sticking needles in us and you've got your reasons to stop the evil drunk drivers it's scary it's out of control this big brother well I guess that's your opinion I don't you know I don't necessarily agree with that but and that's as easy as it is to move to the side of it sir I am a district attorney for a small county in Wisconsin. I didn't get into this business to, I guess, get on radio fights with you. Is that what your goal is? Well, the issue, too, is that people putting needles in you

is not Orwellian, or Nazi-ish, or whatever he wants to say. Sure. The idea that you don't have the ability to not consent to it is. Yeah. And that is the distinction that Alex is failing to make in order to make this conversation make sense. Right.

And that is trouble. And because Alex is saying that, it is easy just to be like, that's your opinion. You think that the police should not be able to take blood samples period? Yeah. I think the police should not be able to take blood samples period? Yeah. I think the police should not be able to take blood samples period. Yeah. I haven't thought about it enough. Yeah. I think, I think mainly because, and this isn't a good reason,

this isn't a good argument for all things, but in this case, I think it is 100% accurate, is a 100,000 years ago, needle would have scared my ancestors, same difference. Your ancestors would have been scared of piss too, so they'd be able to take your example. I didn't say it was good for all arguments, as I just said, it was good for this one. But I mean, it does introduce the question of like, where Alex's line would be,

can they not take fingerprints if they arrest you? I mean, at a certain point, at a certain point, you're asking what information can they take from me that I don't even know they can take from. Right. And that's the issue, you know, like, if we fingerprints, if what you've got is my fingerprint and that is a fingerprint, fine.

If you take my blood, you can find out all kinds of fucking shit from that stuff, blood's got everything in there. You can clone me and shit I'm not letting you clone me. They're not gonna clone you. Oh, I'm so cloneable. I'm the most cloneable person. I feel like the market for Jordan Clowns is low. I Say this with respect because I got great organs. I

Say this with all due respect because I say it to you. I say it to me. Yeah because I say it to you, I say it to me. Yeah. It just equally valid about myself. We are not things that the world wants more than one of. We are not great. You're not having it. We have all sorts of problems in our blood. Not prime blood.

Yeah, no, I don't think either of us would ever claim to be part of any master race. So Alex tries to find some bit of agreement in as much as like the roadside shit's bad, right? Yeah. And this is an interesting tack because there's he's been trying to sow division and start a fight on all these other fronts. And now this is like, let's make him buddy. Let's come to, well, I don't know about that, but at least come together on this point, Chip. Well, if I got you the articles out in

Nevada and places where they were they do it on the side of the road that we found photos this morning of the police stick in the needle and somebody on the side of the road uh... i mean so you agree that's that that's pretty scary well i i i would agree that it i would wonder why that's being done before i would go that far why what a forty would they have to do if it was being done with absolutely no lawful authority?

Yeah, that's scary. Well, you know the law. We're under arrest when the, sir. We're under arrest when the blue and reds go on. No, I'm not. Really? I'll get, I mean, I have a lawyer that's down. I don't stop. It's got to my job. No, I doubt that. Oh, you haven't watched Fox News with the Chases? No, I doubt that. Oh, you haven't watched Fox News with the Chases. I don't get Fox News up here. This is not great argumentation, Alex is deploying. This is compelling radio. So, now we tried to find this agreement about the roadside blood draws.

Yeah. And it looked like there was a potential for some agreement there. Sure. And tell Alex makes the very controversial statement that as soon as the cherries and berries go on, you're under arrest. That is an issue. Which is not true. That is a problem.

There is that. That's a weird thought. Ah, man. I mean, I guess in this construction of what's the cherries and berries go on, you're under arrest. Alex is assuming he's guilty of something, right? Like, is he gonna be set up for something? Or something, but I mean,

I feel like the real life scenario where Alex is taking this vision of, once the stars and bars go out, I mean, that whole thing. That's the flag, I know I was just, yeah. I was trying to out, cause there's also, whatever. So he's, he's So he's drunk in this, he's driving drunk.

Or he's like me when I was high. Like when I was a kid, like a stone, stone driving around, like if those lights go on, I'm going to be blocked, I'm gonna have to, yeah. Yeah, but that's, you've imagined throwing drugs out the window. May have thrown drugs out the window. You may have thrown drugs out the window. I don't know.

Yeah, but that's not the reality. Right. And Alex is acting like, okay, just because when the lights go on, the situation has changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't mean you're under arrest. It just means the situation has changed. You have to pull over.

You have to feel like if there is anybody that I would want in my front seat less, then I then I like I'm going five miles over this speed limit At the lights go on Alex should I don't want you there, man. Alex pulls out a god. I don't want you to know I don't want you. No, no, no stop No So anyway Alex now wants to pick a fight about whether or not you're under arrest That's fine. So so you're saying I'm not under arrest and you're counting when the blue and red go on.

All right, right. Definitely. Well then, well then what am I under when they do that? You're being nice. I think you're not under arrest. Well, I don't think you've read the case law. Pardon? I think you've read the case law.

Oh, I'm not familiar with the case law. Well, let me just bring this up to you. I'm sure you heard about the Supreme Court case about you have to show your ID. The courts have ruled hundreds of times over 20 times in the Supreme Court that you don't have to show your ID walking down the street. You do with the motor vehicle they claim, but the Supreme Court is moving to say, oh, you got to show your ID. I mean, you think I got to show my ID when I'm walking my dog?

You're legally you don't have to. Just sub that. But they still arrest people all the time for it show my ID when I'm walking my dog? You're legally don't have to. I mean, that's just stuff that. But they still arrest people all the time for it. That's what I'm saying. Well, that's pretty broad, broad sweeping statement. And all the taxes is called failure to ID. What the? It's called failure to ID here. And what's your index of strike? Yes, sir.

I'm not familiar with your state's laws at all. Look, I'm just trying to pick your brain. Oh, I do. Yeah. I do like the way he's like, Oh, I know what you're trying to do. Yeah, he gets the picture of what this is what's going on now. Yeah, but it's good to know that Alex is probably against like stopping frisk. Yeah. Well, I guess he probably was at this point. I'm sure I'm sure he's worried about all of these.

Um, you know, I think you do, you do make an interesting, although not successful argument when you say, on when I'm walking around, I don't have to provide my ID for no reason, but when I'm driving, I do. It seems like if there's a critical difference between the two, then maybe that would,

would a murder weapon be a critical difference between the two? A giant bomb, perhaps moving at high speed, would that be critical difference between the two? A giant bomb? Uh, perhaps moving at high speed? Would that be a difference between the two? What if you're walking around with a giant bomb? I feel like maybe shelter my team? You know what? You can't take my blood, but if I'm walking around with a comically large bomb that has a skull

and crossbones on it and you ask for a high ID, I say... Reasonable question. You get a license for that bomb. Totally reasonable. Totally reasonable. Oh, but it's a reasonable question. Well, I guess by this standard It does give kind of a glimpse into Alex's brain and that is that if you're under arrest the second you start an Interaction with a cop right then it just means we are all preemptively under arrest right now Hmm, you know, that's the brain state that he's in. We are always in a liminal space between arrests.

Once we are, once we are, we are paths to intersect. We are either pre-arposted to arrest. Yeah, yes. And that seems to me to be paranoid. I mean, I think what's, what is actually very interesting about that, of all, of all of the things is that I do believe that that paranoia of the cops is indicative less of paranoia on his part and more on the absolute and utter abuse of police in this fucking country. I think, you know, for other people

maybe, but for Alex know. For Alex, yeah, I agree with you there. But I mean, that is the type of paranoia that is 100% a, if not, like, super reasonable. It is not unreasonable to believe that the cops are against you. I, here's a, okay. Here is. It's not unreasonable. Here is the distinction. Sure.

If you believe that if you are interacting with a cop, things could go bad. Yeah. That has a kernel of rationality based on external circumstances. How the world's past information. Yeah. If you believe that according to case law, the second you interact with a cop, you're under arrest, something's wrong. There is something wrong there. That is an absolutely incorrect belief. I think I would have taken that opportunity if I was him because he'll never get it again. But in a very, like I just be like, listen, Alex,

very straightforward, non-egotistical way, non-threatening way, non- like I'm not even trying to be like a big man here. This isn't about that. Alex, I'm the district attorney. I am the law. I am the case law. That's me.

I did, this is my career. This is what I do. I would never get to say I am the law. I would go as a different direction with that. I would be like, no ego, none of that shit. Same prelude you gave me, but like you're a mess, man. You're also a wak shit, Alex. Hey, buddy.

You need to talk to somebody. How about this? Let's end the interview right now. I'll go get a drink with you. I'm fine with that. You need help. I'll give you some legal advice. Do you need legal advice?

You're under arrest. I got you. So Alex keeps up his other strategy that he was employing which was throwing out news stories. He's right, right. He's trying to confuse and befuddle the district attorney. Did you hear about Tulia Taxis where they arrested the 50 plus people? No drugs or paraphernalia found?

You know, I'm in Wisconsin. I don't keep up with where the news that goes on in your state. Well, my point is I don't even trust the government now to to to give us real tests to give us real results. Separate complaint. Yeah. It's just weird. I don't even. Okay.

Well, yeah, I don't have confidence in this government. I don't have confidence in its activities. Good for you. There you something wrong with me uh... you certainly entitled to your opinion i suppose if you don't like it who put you certainly entitled to your opinion well wait a minute but i mean yeah but i'm gonna stay here i want to make people move out of the country that that that one of the whole of me pull me over and jab needles in my arm

now i want america to be america mister boyle oh boyle i'm trying to find something out here have you heard about the the the actual stories about cameras and school bathrooms you know sorry what and you keep asking about stories here there and everywhere. No, I'm not aware of those I wanted to talk about Whatever you I lost blood draws not newspaper articles from all over the place. I'm not familiar with them

I have no idea why he didn't hasn't hung up all those long silences clearly. It's just like a I don't know What he's talking about I have nothing to to say here We're just hanging up. Yeah, I mean at the very least be like excuse me. What am I still doing here? Right what do we do? What am I doing? I could just not be here Do you think I'm involved in putting cameras in school bathrooms? I mean there is there is a part of it like actually Let's move this into a different can I help you with something? This is not a business call, but I will be ending if I cannot perform customer service.

I think he's more kind of bemused by like, what is, what is even happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've seen a couple of instances of this happen where like normal people accidentally end up on Alex's show and they're like, they have to put the pieces together of like, what world am I at?

It takes a while. Yeah. And so Alex tries to explain why he's throwing out all these are not sequitur articles yeah well because all of you wanted to talk about what have you i lost blood draws not newspaper articles from all over the place i'm not familiar with them

but it's really i'm not in position to comment on article let me give you an example of why i'm saying this you're prosecuting a guy that's got a long rap sheet. You want to bring in his criminal record to the jury. I'm trying to give you a snapshot of the stuff that's going on to find out. I want to see what's going on in your head, why you think this blood sucking is okay. So I'm trying to find out here to see if you're informed to see if you know what's going on about what about the or wellian

garbage going on in the country i'm not sure what that has to do with my law enforcement officers in this office our office forced in the owe i law in the state of was constant in my jurisdiction. Well have you read the Wall Street Journal article? You know I have not seen it. I was surprised to actually get the phone call that you

bought this whole article because I have not seen it yet. Were you interviewed by the Wall Street Journal? Up there, yeah it was. It was quite some time ago. Yeah so you did this interview with the Wall Street Journal a while ago. Didn't know the article was coming out. Got this call from Alex. And boy, he should, you know, that maybe the communications department where he's at is not up to snuff.

But again, people didn't know about Alex back then. No, no. This just would have seemed like a regular radio interview request. Yeah, I wonder what that would, I wonder what the conversation was like. Afterwards? No, before.

About whether or not to go, I mean, afterwards it had to have been a fantastic time. Right. I don't wonder about that. I wish I was there. Either we're all laughing or you're fired. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. There's no middle ground.

No, no, no, no, it's just like, he got the request, right? There was probably somebody at the office who took it, who was like, that's it, And then they just passed it off. You know, there was no like, did they even Google Info Wars? Google existed in 2004. Yeah, but I honestly think unless you spend a little time on the website,

sometimes Info Wars might not seem like that crazy of a website. Because if you're not reading what's actually on the page, it kind of has the appearance of just like a news site. Yeah. And that is somewhat intentional. Yeah, I do, I do, boy, it should be a lot harder than just, well, as long as you don't read, we've got ya.

Actually in 2004, it did look a little bit crazier. They've streamlined things to not look so nuts. But still, yeah, I would assume very little checking this. Yeah, I do have been very little checking. But again, there is just such a problem with Alex not being specific what his complaint is. Because it's clearly the drawing blood at checkpoints, which this guy doesn't do. He doesn't have any comment on because it does not done in his state. Alex can shift the goalposts to implied consent being something that please are able to use

in various states. If you were to do this, it would make more sense. If it's just drawing blood, this is a nonsensical conversation. And saying like all this or well-earned garbage that's going on in the country, like all these other stories, as if they connect. Like this guy isn't doing any of those things. Right. So when you're trying to make the comparison to like you're prosecuting someone and you're

bringing them their rap sheet, that's not his rap sheet. Right. What are you talking about? Right. I think this is a secret that can get in the way for Alex. Is that because another part of that is not just like, let's start an argument with all of these nonsensical things that he's tossing out. There's also a part of it that's like,

let's hope he gives me the argument to give back to him. You know, like, because there is like, okay, well, I can't understand what you're saying. This happens all the time. It happens with Trump and it happens with all these people where it's like, you're talking to a reasonable person and they go, I can't understand where it's like you're talking to a reasonable person and they go I can't understand what it was that you were just talking about because it was stupid and insane

So I'm going to give you the largest possible benefit of the doubt and come up with something that sounds like that might be what you were trying to say Yeah, and then I'm gonna argue that this guy's not doing that He's not doing that really no no no no no Alex is getting nothing out of this and long silences yeah now so anyway the interview ends uh... ends as well as it began it'd be almost impossible for me to comment on something that happened in the bad of that i have no knowledge of

well i mean i literally read the from the wall street journal uh... and i'm just trying to talk about this progression here and as a public sermon as as an official on authority, I was trying to find out what your view on it is. It's hard for me to give a view on something that I'm not I'm not familiar with what articles. Is that what we grew up to think of America as guys in black uniform holding somebody down put the needle in their arm. I don't know it depends on each given person. I mean you guys still

wear blue uniforms up there or are they black uniforms. I don't know what they have different colors. What's your what's your county? What are we doing? we do it uh... i don't think it's you want like with a no well what is it i'm almost think it's an eagle if they have a simple at all uh... they have a simple to be honest with you on the gole that i've never that's good is that all it takes

john o'boil i'll let you go and and and go read the article when we appreciate you coming on the show And I don't think you're a bad guy. I think you mean well, but this isn't America and you need to research The things I've told you about because it's all document Okay, right on it. Thank you Okay, yeah sure thing buddy that genuinely might as well be like have you heard what mr. Tumdus is doing in Narnia? I'm a digger to this as soon as I get a chance. This isn't the Narnia I grew up with.

I think that you witnessed somebody who's a normal person, navigate as best you can, really, an interview with Alex and then end with a nice little jab that is very clear. And the callers who call in later very clearly got like, he's not gonna look into this stuff. So it came across that it was disrespectful. Yes, good, good. I'm glad.

But in that Wisconsin way, that Midwest disrespect. There is a clash of disrespects between the Midwest and the Texas, you know. I didn't hear a bless your heart once. That's not Alex's kind of Southern disrespect. Now that's true. That is true. Is his disrespect is more like you're a fuck you. You pencil neck piece of shit. You tweet. Fuck. Absolutely. I will choke you out with my bare hair. Or just like a traditional 80s bully. Yeah. Yeah. So this interview ends. Yeah. And Alex comes back from

break saying what a great job I did no he has a little bit of news that it's shocking didn't come up in the interview Right now They're trying to pass a law under federal funding of course For rest adults to take your children That matter of your nady-year-old lady you got to take all the vaccines they say are mandatory. Whenever they say, whenever new vaccines they come out and make mandatory,

you got to take those two. And again, public officials, authorities, our masters, our rulers, our owners, our keepers, the people that run us in our lives in our free country. We'll just say it's for your safety.

We're doing it for you. We just had a district attorney from Wisconsin on the show. Why didn't you bring this up with that? That's the one place you did not talk about. It's constantly you brought up nonsense. That's do with other states from Canada. He's response was I cannot respond to. I don't really have a thought on that.

I don't know enough about their law. I'm from Wisconsin. Here's a story from Wisconsin. He's response was, I cannot respond to that. I don't really have a thought on that. I don't know enough about their law. I'm from Wisconsin. Here's a story from Wisconsin. Let's talk. Would have been, it would have gotten around that rebuttal that he has, but Alex didn't bring that up because he knows that the story is also full of shit.

Yeah. So he, he bring it up afterwards. Anyway, he succeeded. I think Alex did on one front. Okay. And that is that he made, uh, Oh, Boyle looked stupid to the audience for by bringing up all these new stories that he didn't know about. Right. And so when he goes to calls,

that is a theme that runs through. Well, I guess up next is Drew in Texas. Drew go ahead. Uh, hi, Alex. Good to talk to you again. Good to talk to you. Um, I couldn't believe that character that or a boy character the d.a. in was constant yes mister boyle on the surface of america

i mean the guy south by he's a high school dropout he's in complete area i can't believe the people up there would vote for somebody like that i assume they they elect the d.a.s up there like they do here everywhere well you know somebody times you talk to the authorities the of officials and with the civilians and they just don't know anything but they just but but on that civilian point you know the semantics of how they're the

military state you had to go yeah i heard that what is that but that's how it's completely the dark about everything. I mean, everything he brought up, he just, I'm not aware of this. I'm not aware of that. I mean, was he been hiding under a lot? What?

Well, it's like Sergeant Schultz. I know nothing. I know nothing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that is like that. Wow. Yeah. So by throwing out all of this info wars inside nonsense,

you're able to essentially protect yourself from having an embarrassing interview like Alex just did. Yeah. Because the audience will view this person as like on another planet because he is. Yeah. He's on the real planet as opposed to the prison planet weirdo nonsense. Yeah, I think I find it, I find it interesting to me personally just because I don't have that like I am not comforted by someone stroking my ego like it's not a comforting thought for me Mm-hmm, you know, so like for Alex to come away from this and have people be like This isn't see look at all this stuff. This is all white. You're okay. This is all white. You're good

This is all white. You're good all that stuff to white, you're good, this is all white, you're good. All that stuff to me, that would immediately trigger the like, oh, I fucked up. That was shit. That was absolute garbage. That's why people are being nice to me. And it doesn't trigger for Alex, Alex is like, thank God, all these people are so nice all the time. But that is also not like the way the audience is interpreting it. Right. No, I know.

It's, it's, I mean, I'm fascinated by it because I just do not understand it at all Like just on a like I don't get it. It's I mean it's almost like they have just been completely different information space where As B and B is sure I just more like the emotional space of like if people if I am feeling like I had a bad interview with this guy And he didn't give me what I want. People call in and say, but he was guys dumb, you know, that's, that's the thing. I don't think Alex thinks that was a bad interview. Oh, yeah. Yeah, probably not. So there's another caller who wants to just talk shit about, uh, oil, uh, because that's pretty much the theme of calls. Yeah, well, I imagine. And Todd is calling us from Californiaifornia go ahead yesterday that that seemed like a boxing match uh... you've got them on the

rope at some point and you kept hitting with body blows about sources and all you could do we say plausible deniability the thing is the judges are not on the side of truth so he gets to actually pretend that he serves the people my my main concern is when he finished up your interview you get that little time or barric of all look into that kind of thing but i don't

think he's gonna read when he finishes up no no no what he's gonna do is gonna call everyone who put in in that line of fire and say i'm gonna chat to you you and you for even making me that expose because i need to perpetuate my miss well my he is a I mean he's probably some sports fan who goes right to the sports bar immediately after work or you know goes to the to the local arena or maybe he goes and plays rocket ball. I mean he didn't even know he was in the Wall Street Journal until a day later. No, but all he had was plausible

deniability. This guy was in the front page of the maybe he didn't know anything. This guy was in the front page of the you maybe he didn't know anything this guy was in the front page of the wall street journal yesterday and no one let him know he was in it until we called him like i said did you interview the wall should really go uh... uh... uh... yeah the the the the

that's not quite uh... but he didn't kind of mischaracterizing things yeah uh... but you know i think that that is the reality, that sometimes you don't hear about things. That's happened to us before, in terms of us being covered in some, like a newsweek article or something like that,

I didn't know about this until people brought to my attention. There is, I, the amount of things that I encounter on like a daily basis where I go, there's no way. And then it's like, yeah, millions of people have listened to that every single day. On a daily basis, where the amount of people there are and the amount of fractures there are,

means that there's a million things that I have no concept of. Yeah, this guy was in an article in the Wall Street Journal. He was interviewed in it. I He's going about his life. He's busy. I'm not surprised he didn't hear about it. I guess I am a little surprised maybe that the person who wrote it didn't say, Hey, it's coming out tomorrow or whatever, but that's not necessary. And it seems like a strange thing to attack somebody for right. I think I think in the world that we existed These types of media outlets when they do a thing it is very important

Mm-hmm in the real world No one gives a fuck what the Wall Street Journal interviewed a district attorney about in Wisconsin period It's period. It's for the rest of life. It's not Page one no one cares leading the show. It is there because you have to fill out a certain number of pages, right? Yeah, so now we get to the other interview. Yeah of the show that I didn't realize what's gonna happen Right takes a bunch of boring calls and I figured that that's the rest of the show He gets to this other interview because he wants to have somebody who's on the other side of the issue. Wait, somebody who's anti or wait, somebody who's pro. No, because the DA was supposed to be pro taking blood. So now we've got somebody who's anti taking blood. Well, he's anti. Here's the

thing. It's doctor. Sure. Another person who's a normal person who's accidentally stumbled in the Texas orbit. Oh, you fucked up kid. But he also doesn't really fall into Alex's model of what he is set him up to be. Right. He isn't somebody who's like, you shouldn't be drawing blood at all. Yeah. Just not with the consent. You should not force people. This doctor has the argument that Alex should be making. But it isn't the argument that Alex has been making. So anyway, it's a little bit weird. And this is a quote from the doctor who's with us now, or me to draw blood from a patient

who is refusing to have his blood drawn, unless I have compelling medical reasons for that blood sample, I'm committing assault and battery and I'm not going to do it, says Dr. Phil Brewer, president of the Connecticut College of Emergency Physicians and a fellow of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. And he joins us now. And again, this sets the precedent for the calculations, all of it. Sticking needles in people and taking what they, taking their person. Dr. Brewer, thank you for holding during my diet, Tribe, welcome.

Hi, how are you? I'm doing all right, but I seem to be informed on this. The district attorney wasn't. I have articles where the cops take the blood on the side of the road, but why are you against this? Well, what I'm against is uh... uh... what what i'm for it's probably easier to explain what i'm for uh... i'm certainly for uh...

pursuing drunken drivers or people who are are impaired drivers uh... but there's a method for doing that, and when it comes to drawing their blood, the laws in the states that I'm aware of only do that under informed consent, meaning the person has asked for permission to draw their blood, and if they agree that I'm perfectly willing to draw it, and if they disagree that I'm perfectly unwilling to draw it and if they disagree that i'm perfectly unwilling to draw it but what's in did twenty two thousand of these

uh... in uh... ninety nine alone and i've talked to people where they demand the blood and the point is they have the flashlights that are really breathalyzer's i mean you can they they could even sorry down and and get their breath will then do well i don't from from what i understand i don't think just showing the present of alcohol uh... which is what the flashlights can do uh... is not enough evidence to uh... convict somebody of a of a du i

you have to establish what their level is so he's explaining why you would take the blood right uh... into that kind of is against al's premise. Also, I would say that if you're holding somebody down and taking their breath, it kind of is the same problem. I mean, I would say there's a little bit difference in terms of finding a vein.

Yeah, in terms of potential damage you could do to somebody. Yeah, there is a difference. But overall, but if we're talking about abstractly the tyranny of it all It is this it seems pretty similar to me. I would say the moment you put a knee on the back of my skull Mm-hmm. I'm less interested in what's going on after that point if it's taking breath or blood Yeah, at that point I've got a larger problem and that's getting your knee off my head, you know? So. That should be job number one. The thought strikes me.

You know, I was just thinking about this. Why it's like, I am fucked up about this. I don't think people should, I don't think the government should take blood. And then the more I think about it, the more I'm like, it's so superstitious, that idea of that. And then the more I think about it,

the more I think, in absolutely the opposite of that. Blood is one of the most insanely information rich things that you could possibly give somebody it is so ridiculous still superstitious for you to think they're gonna clone no no no absolutely that's not what i'm not actually concerned about them cloning right but it is fascinating to me that it is B-Right. But it is fascinating to me that it is more reasonable to be worried about somebody taking your blood now than it is in the past and yet we're more reasonable for somebody taking our blood now than it would be in the past. Yeah. If that makes sense as far as superstition is concerned. I think that there are issues that come into it about like retaining the blood or you know what they're doing with it. Right. You know that I would have concerns about it. Sure.

But if it is just for the sake of running a breathalyzer type alcohol test, not breathalyzer in this case, but you know what I mean? Right, right. If it is just that, then I don't know what the superstitions or the fear of the information is there. Right, right. I mean, I think it's just an element of like, listen, you fucked up too many times. You didn't do anything about it. You fucked up too many times.

The police. You didn't apologize. The police, as an institution, do not have the level of trust that you would require. They just don't. And again, that is a different conversation. It is a completely different conversation. So this doctor, Alex had the first guest on. Yeah. And he asked him about this uh... bill clinton

the watch all your blood he does and uh... this comes up okay because this doctor is actually in favor of that doctor this is an america having a grab people all of them down and take their blood uh... yeah i don't i don't uh... i certainly don't agree with that i do agree with the with the principle that when you get a driver's license, if you refuse to give blood, then you may forego your driving privileges for a set period of time. And that's a Supreme Court argument. Is it a privilege or not?

If it's the general agreed upon conveyance, it's not, but they have it listed the automobile as the usual conveyance. That's a whole other debate obviously you're involved with the uh... traffic safety administration the the federal government so you're probably an expert on this but so what's going on here is that alex something that he was attacking the other guest for he's

the hand waving away that this guy's because he knows that was about the understand the things about to say yeah this is very suspicious yeah and what Alex is also revealing is some like sovereign citizen type beliefs about the mod the mode of conveyance I have the right to travel the moment it was like the usual and that's why I always doesn't want to get into this conversation anymore deeply because this guy knows what he's talking about and Alex would have to come off like a sovereign citizen weirdo don't want to do that no so... the doctor uh... explains that uh... his uh... his opposition to uh... forcibly drawing blood here yeah makes sense

let's get into the blood where you against this uh... uh... i don't think that uh... i think when people are brought to emergency department sort of hospitals uh... from medical care, that's the healthcare team, the physician, nurses and so forth. That's their first responsibility is to take care of that patient.

They have other responsibilities to protect the general health and safety. And if they can do both in ways that don't interfere with each other, that's fine. But I think if you have a person who does not want to give blood and you're literally wrestling them down to take blood from them against their will, that's clearly way beyond the bounds of medical care. So that's why I'm against it. I don't think we should be wrestling people to the ground and taking blood from them. I myself have never seen that happen.

In fact, I think the police, at least in my state, the police rarely do that. I've been in Connecticut for 18 years, and I can only recall one time in 18 years when a state police officer came to the hospital requesting us to draw somebody's blood. So at least in this part of the this neck of the woods is not done very often. Okay, so it sounds like,

oooh, it sounds like this is not quite the issue that Alex is making it out to be. Uh, yeah, I immediately do not care. But the point that the guy is making is fine. Totally. And especially, like the distinction too, is a little bit interesting between what he's talking about is like healthcare workers and their obligations.

And that doesn't even like deal with the side part of it that is police stations and police departments that have their own phlebotomy training. So it's not even a doctor who is drawing the blood. It could just be a police officer, which you should absolutely be not comfortable with. It seems it seems like that's the case and the concerns that he has about like your responsibilities as a physician. That seems like it might not apply necessarily to the police phabotumists. But we don't get into any of that because. Yeah, I mean, it does feel like, hey, so the reason that it goes like this is

their first application is to the patient. And also, we have legal protections in terms of their medical information that can be or cannot be shared with everybody. HIPAA. Yeah, yeah, we have all that stuff in place. So, uh, I'm fine. Yeah, yeah, we have all that stuff in place. So, uh, I'm fine. So, um, the doctor brings up a point about his state, which is that, uh, you need a court order. If they say that you can't drop blood, tough, if you don't get consent, uh, you need a court order, which is the case in a lot of states at this point right now, pretty universally. now pretty universally. Do they, I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand, if in those circumstances if somebody refuses, certainly

in Connecticut, you can only do it with a court order. Not in these other states that you can all color of law. They beat the living tar out of you, stop on your head. I mean, around here in Texas, when when they're actually i mean you can get out basically they go ahead and slam your own a bit so it's kind of a right it is it is interesting the way Alex constantly brings up the term color of law

i don't know if you know that means but i think it they think he thinks it sounds good and it's good way it's a good way around a lot of conversations this color of law good. And it's a good way, it's a good way around a lot of conversation. This color of law. Yeah, I think he means the color of law is red and beauty, beaten, beaten, beat, beat, fair, beat. So, um, Alex doesn't seem to really think that drunk driving is a big deal. That seems to be a lot of what is underneath his arguments. Yeah, there is definitely the like, I

will not give up my liberty and be poked. Yeah. There's that. Yeah. The second part is he does not seem to think that there's a reason to be concerned about drunk driving. I don't see how I feel like these are two things

that are not in opposition. I don't think you should drunk drive, and I also don't think the cops should have my blood. These are not in opposition. They can co-exist. Yeah. So the doctor here tries to explain to Alex that uh... drunk driving's uh... it's an issue it's bad

i can honestly say that with maybe four or five exceptions uh... over twenty years of practicing full time as an emergency position uh... i've never had a shift without at least one person uh... who was a victim of uh... uh... a truck driving accident uh... that that's how widespread it isn't how big a problem it is

uh... it makes i mean that the issue of of people dying from truck drivers makes nine one one look pretty minor by comparison uh... but but but those will give up liberty to attain security will get and deserve neither. I mean, you know, setting up to do you know about cars? Blood. I mean, I'm more afraid of that than I am drunk drivers.

I mean, I drive all the time. Ever once along you see a drunk, the police pull them over. I mean, I know thousands and thousands and thousands of people die every year. Yeah, but but thousands and thousands die from distracted drivers. I mean, now they want to mount cameras in the cars to make sure you're not distracted. Have you seen those articles? Um, yeah, I don't. Big brother will keep me safe, I mean.

Yeah. Well, I, I, there were 17,000 deaths last year, and that doesn't count people who were permanently maimed and disfigured and disabled uh... so it's a huge problem it's like if you took up uh... seven thirty seven and crash that uh... full of passengers every day that's basically what we're faced with no i know but here's the deal it's never gonna stop there's more bars everywhere the society's assigned to do it humans have been bars everywhere. The society's designed to do it. Humans have been

guzzling out. Society's designed to drink and dry. We're gonna end up with the entire population in prison and it's just gonna continue. Yes, so why do anything about it? Who cares? Who cares the shit? So if I understand correctly, my big concern with this whole anti-drunk driving thing is that we're all going to be in prison. Which would solve the problem? Humanity is designed to hype. And designed to drive. Drunk. I'm interested in this point because it really is difficult for me to distinguish where the motivation really lies.

Like there is obviously a incoherent opposition to people having their blood drawn by the way. Sure. Sure. Which we can generously say is without their consent, but then we can tentatively agree. Right. Right. Right. But you have that going on over here. And then behind it is a, why should anybody do anything to stop drunk driving? It's very childish.

I can't assume that a perfectly designed, perfectly consensual system that involves trying to stop drunk driving would be something Alex would be in favor of. Right. Because it seems like he's just like, no, don't do anything to stop drunk driving. I mean, I feel like it's similar to those people who I remember

growing up, you know, and not even growing up like 10 years ago or whatever it is whenever you're going back to a small town or something and you see the playgrounds and you're like, oh, back in my day, everything was sharp and concrete and everything was Stainless steel and shit and the people who were like, yeah, those were better days. It's like you're insane You're an insane person that is crazy stupid dangerous. You have forgot of all of the people the people that we all knew who got Seriously injured and it's not more fun. No, can you see those playgrounds now? They're shiny. There's all kinds of colors and shit. There's like soft things that you can land on. It's amazing.

Yeah, it's much better. What insane person is like, oh, those jungle gyms were better when they were made of knives. Back with my day cops would stop you when you're drunk and they'd say, get home soon, kid. Get on out of here, kid. All right, make sure you bring some cigarettes home to your dad.

Yeah. Back when my day I drive drunk in a trailer tractor down the street. I mean, look, I don't want to come off as a hypocrite because when I was younger, I did drive drunk. Sure. And I was an idiot. I thought it was safe because I had those delusions that people have when they're drunk. Yeah. It's like, this is totally fine. No big deal. Yeah. because I had those delusions that people have when they're drunk. It's like this is totally fine, no big deal. And I still will look back wistfully sort of

to like driving drunk in a golf cart around a golf course. Sure, sure. That feels a little different. Still the same principle, you're operating a motor vehicle while you're impaired. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't wanna, I don't wanna like, take some sort of a, holier than thou aspect.

But, Alex's position is pretty stupid. Yeah, always incredibly stupid. I don't have a like to stand on. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha This fucking guy I just I find the argument like people are gonna do it's a world gives it is just I don't know It's it seems like but I can't control everybody's behavior so I make anything better Well, I'm reluctant to say it's beneath Alex, but somehow it does feel like it is it seems so dumb and without thought Yeah, it's it's because it is quitting. It's defeat. It's not it's not losing. It's not admitting defeat. It's quitting It's Alex being like me and then walking away. It's a condescending quitting. Yeah, it is

Yeah, no tacky fuck off. Yeah, I'd throw something so the argument here then becomes about breathalyzers and cars yeah because here then becomes about breathalyzer's in cars yeah because uh... we've heard at this point now x's career that he's insisting that they're gonna put breath allies is never really cars are to robotically control everybody's cars and so this comes up with the uh... with the doctor uh... but uh... you know there's a move in new york the move it's almost past it's out of the house

uh... in new mexico to make everybody yet in their car and have a breathalyzer detector automatically i mean i'm not going to put up with that what's your comment on that well i don't think uh... having breathalyzer in all cars is is needed or warranted uh... the the great majority of drivers uh...

do not drive under the influence of alcohol, and there are plenty of drivers who drive under the influence of other drugs that aren't detected by breathalyzer, so that would be a huge expenditure. By the way, this difficult journey said that if you're on Ritalin or Prozac and they test your blood and find it, it'll go ahead and arrest you even if it's prescribed Well, if it can be shown that that you're impaired by it. That's a pretty difficult thing to do I don't think that's not the guy said That's not quite what he said. That was his little little trying to be like, okay, let's make friends by insulting this other guy I talked to yikes. Why is it being so nice to this guy? I have no clue what is going on

It is very strange And we have one last clip here because this this breathalyzer thing in the car goes on Yeah, and in the process of talking about it this doctor Legitimately destroys Alex's argument about like the breathalyzer about having it in yeah About yeah, Alex is saying that they're gonna be in every car sure Globalist take over block it law this guy's like no absolutely not here's why not right why isn't howlix fighting him

and he's being shocked air so ridiculous this why isn't this turning into a fight so uh... the thing seems to have the least negative impact on the family and the best positive impact on reducing drunk driving is an interlock device or a breath laser that's hooked up to your mission. But again that's not for everybody that's for repeat offenders. You know how this works now they're wanting to make it for everybody. Well I haven't I don't know if any

places where there's actually a law that advancing and where that's likely to happen very close to passing in mexico and new york uh... well i i i haven't i'm right next door to new york and and uh... i've i've not seen that i would be extremely astonished that that would be such an unpopular law. I mean, that would basically be a six or $700 tax on every single car. I can't imagine that actually

being enacted. Pass the house in New Mexico. Yeah. Well, you know, sometimes people pass laws knowing that they're not going to be signed into law for politically i don't know bill richard uh... who i think is a governor in new mexico would stay governor very long if you find that all they got a new one okay

but what a lot of what a loser he or she uh... that'll that'll be the end of their term now they get his yeah and i think it's a richard uh... clinton energy secretary

yeah should have been a fight right i mean and he's just completely deconstructed why aliex's conspiracy is dumb doesn't make sense people wouldn't do it's it's just like i think it's not bill richard said i do more i know that was the status they got a new one. They got a new one.

And you know what? Here's what's happening. Yeah. There's this issue that Alex has a take on that's fucking dumb. It's stupid. He has got the two people or two of the people who are referenced in this article to come on the show. And he has slotted them in as one is an adversarial interview.

And the other is a friendly interview. Yep. And he can't, he can't get off track with them. No, they're both completely seeing people who have pretty similar positions. Yep. Yep. And Alex is trying to attack the shit out of one of them and brand him as a vampire district attorney. Yep. And the other doctor is apparently fine, like being being cool with giving blood when you get your license. Yeah. Yeah. And with the fact that there aren't going to put breathalyzers in everybody's car. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, hey, that guy's nuts. Then you see him fuck a win-mail and you're like, I don't even know what's going on with this interview with about a doctor. So I think it makes more sense than

than Kiyote. I just love the I love the single most reasonable consequence thing that I've ever I've ever heard on Infowars, which is just him being like, you know, if they add that system, it's going to be about a $600 tax on every car. Like, just the most reasonable ass boring. Well, he, because in another party, that number is, he bases it on like, what it would cost to put it in the car, and then upkeep that everyone would have to make for.

Yeah, the whole thing, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, just such a simple like, and the totally reasonable thing, like, yeah, the governor would never sign sign that they would be out of office so fast now you're just made you're just you're too angry for this and I think it's also damning for Alex to so casually and easily admit sometimes people pass legislation that they know isn't gonna just to be like yeah publicity they totally do that you're the one who's supposed to think everything's a goddamn conspiracy Yeah, like if you know that then why are you so mad about all these

Nonsense bills that are gonna die in committee or or at the very least if you do know that you can be so mad at all of these But sometimes sometimes at least you have to be like ah we caught him on this one This is just a publicity space is a bullshit instead of every time. It's like, ah, this is The end of the world. This is connected to everything at the very least you got to give me a little taste of what it's like when people are full of shit now What's interesting to me when you take a step back and you look at this this day on Alex's show is that there was a potential for this to be incredibly informative Yeah, for the for the audience. Yeah, because you have two people is that there was a potential for this to be incredibly informative for the audience. Yeah.

Because you have two people who are coming at it from a medical perspective and from a legal perspective who both do not seem to be super into the idea of implied consent allowing for forcible blood draws from people. Yeah. The guy from Wisconsin is not in favor of roadside blood. Nope. Shit. The doctor is not in favor of anything forcible.

It seems even from what he's saying, that he's not even in favor of it when there's a court order. Yeah. So like, there is a possibility that you can actually explore this issue and make informed, make the public more informed about an issue that can change, which is

needing like actual consent, needing informed consent for the giving of blood. And instead, Alex just goes this conspiracy route that is just incoherent. Like it's all like I just don't want blood. Yeah, I don't want pokes. No, I think I think there's something within this that is like you can extrapolate out towards towards the fucking way shit works of just like these are two people interacting with Alex. Right. Now, these two people, if they were to sit down and have a reasonable conversation, they would not disagree on a lot.

They would disagree on some things, you know, but there would be a reasonable conversation at the end of it. There would be like, the biggest thing we agree on is that this is a process that can be out of control and needs to be under control. Mm-hmm. Which is essentially what Alex would get to. That's the idea. Either get rid of it all together

which is just controlling it in some fashion, you know? Whatever degree of control you'd like there. But that's not what Alex would get to. But in the intervening time period, Alex is giving these two people such distorted views of the world that if they were to then go to isolated groups who shared those views, they would suddenly start to think that this shit made sense. You know, like, this is such a weird way of how the world works with these types of disagreements, you know, like suddenly this gets turned into an emotional fucking,

they'll never put a better laser in my car instead of being like a, no, I'm a district attorney, I think I should. And also, there's silly reasons why this would never happen. Yeah, totally. Like, all of this stuff is there. And don't need to yell because just the logistics of this will stop it in the stress. We'll be all right. Yeah, yeah, I swear to you, you can stop talking and we will stop it in this dress. We'll be all right. Yeah, yeah.

I swear to you, you couldn't stop talking and we'll never hear about this again. You know, like that kind of thing. And then to see the way that if Alex is not allowed to infect it, everybody just goes along their own business. But when Alex is allowed to infect a topic like this. But if Alex doesn't infect it, there's a chance for actual change.

That's what I'm saying. As there has been around the issue of implied consent. Right. And so many of these things are the things that we don't see because they're not the big, huge argument that everybody's fighting about all the time. They're not suddenly overturned or hijacked by Alex's ilk of like, oh, well, we should wear seatbelts,

turns into like, the government's gonna shittin' your mouth. You know, like it is, it is just like, God, I love it whenever these people are just so normal, they're just so normal. It is, it's just reasonable as folk. That's one of the things that is very nice about this past period is you do have the opportunity to see like civilian normal folk just end up in the info war. Yeah. And it's surprising how decently a lot of them end up navigating what is insane. They're decent folk. This dude, this oboil, the DA, like Alex is asking him to solve a problem that doesn't exist in his state. Yeah.

And then in order to talk about it at all, we now have to deal with various complaints about Texas, the fears of cameras in school bathrooms. Yep. It's just, it's, it, it just expands past the point where there's anything you can really cling onto. Yeah. And it's, I think it's intentional. I think it's disempowering to the audience. Yeah, I think what I find so interesting about it too is that it is this type of situation, you know where you can look at people and then be in like, ah, democracy doesn't work, whenever in reality it's like, look,

these are two very, these, the two people Alex is talking to are 99% of this fucking world. They're just people doing their jobs. I think your estimates off, but generally- But what happened? Spiritually I agree with you. You know what I'm saying? That kind of concept.

And it's like, that is why things would work. That is why everything should work. Yeah. Alex is why democracy doesn't work. Yes. Alex is why shit doesn't work. Yeah. Alex is the reason that you are complaining

about other people not working properly. Yeah. Yeah. It's that influence is kind of what makes information not worth. It makes decision making fucked. And because like stuff like conspiracy thinking is so attractive and hijacks people's minds and the way that they process information

and world events, because of that, it has such a cascading effect. Totally, totally. And then the biggest thing though, is that once you get to the point where you go like, oh, people act different from me. When it's like, no, you should think completely the opposite. People act exactly like me.

Alex is fucking insane. Everybody you know, everybody around you, everybody you don't know. They're in our block right now There's probably 40 50,000 people you know what I'm saying 50 not 49,999 of those people are just like us in every possible respect Regardless of whatever and then there's one Alex and that's where we're fucked. Yeah man

Everybody's got an Alex everybody Everybody's got a fucking Alex, man. I think that's somewhat oversimplifying things, but there's something to it. It's grossly oversimplifying things, but it's not wrong. We could all get along better if Alex's were ignored. If we just let him go play in a brand new playground. No, they want an old one.

They definitely want an old play. I want them to be safe even against their will. Oh, that's very kind of you. So this was silly, but we'll be back for another episode on Monday. Talk about Alex's probably fanfare that Kissinger's death. I mean, if there's anything that I've learned,

it's that we are going to be disappointed by it. There will be a surprise somehow, I'm sure. But also, we get to find out what he thought about Elon Musk. That would be more interesting. That will be more interesting. Maybe that's the only thing I'll talk about it about it, not even touch Kisser's Tide. That's what I'm saying!

This is who we are! This is who we chose! Anyway, we'll find out what the deal with that. But until then, we have one outside. Indeed, we do. It's KnowledgeTrike.com. Yep, we're also on Twitter's with the deal with that, but until then we have website indeed We do it's knowledge strike calm. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge under sure fight Yep, we'll be back, but until then I'm neo and Leo I'm DZX Clark. I Was gonna start a new thing where I said that I missed various drops and then I would replay them But then I forgot to load one up so there's nothing here today drop. Yeah, I missed it

but I forgot to load one up so there's nothing here today. You missed that drop. Yeah, I missed it. Woo yeah, woo yeah! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm the first time I've called I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

I love you.