Knowledge Fight - #877: A Philosophy For Curiosity

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan review Alex's return to Twitter Spaces, where he appears on a crowded panel full of luminaries like Laura Loomer, Jack Posobiec, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Elon Musk.  Tune in to find out which of these folks forgets to turn off their mic and accidentally pees on stream (it was Vivek).

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Indeed we are Dan Dan Jordan quick question for you. So much praise about today, buddy. My bright spot today is show Hey O'Tani Got a giant No, that's gonna try and steal yours in case Yeah, I don't know I guess it's sort of I don't have a good bright spot. So I have a sort of a by Pronged kind of comment. The first thing is that the cheese advent calendar hasn't been as good as I expected. That is expected. Yeah. That is exactly as good as I expected.

When we talk about the wonderful positive things about Aldi, it's important to also bring up some negatives, and that is that these cheeses have not been blowing my mind. Yeah, that's not to be spread. But it's still fun to open a little door and all that stuff. It is? It is. There's no denying that. The second thing, the second prong in this makeshift

bright spot is you getting dragged on social media for saying that All Star was a cover. How dare you. I 100% thought that all star was a cover. How dare you? I 100% thought it was I'm a volume. Wow. No, I was pretty sure you were wrong, but I didn't have enough confidence to push back on it. 100%.

And then you got the, I mean, it wasn't as bad as the Chumbo Wamba. No, no, no, no, but you still got quite a bit of correction on that. Oh, well, the problem was, I got the accidental correct answer on the first try. And then it was all go. I was like, there can't be that many smash mouth with Grammy winning movie soundtrack songs. And there are more than one. Because you got Shrek.

I believe it's covered in Shrek. That's why I was like movie song smash mouth. My brain made it. I'm a believer. Right. And then they also want to Grammy for matters where I'll be walking on the sun. I don't understand.

That was in Shindler's list. It was, it's so strange. Whenever people, people were like, oh, you got the song wrong. And It was, it's so strange. It's so strange whenever people, people were like, oh, you got the song wrong. And I was like, wait a second. We should really be talking about how much Smash Mouth did. That is insane to me.

Yeah, it's true. And he's insane. It's, I think it a really interesting trajectory as a band because I had the walking on the sun, which is a big hit. But that was like, you're in the direction of one hit wonder Yeah, one of that era that was like this is great. You're gonna be like fastball You a perfect yeah, yeah the way everybody loves that song and then go away right yes

Or even that some other like a cooler shaker some other like a cooler shaker with Totsar, sure, sure, yes. You know, there's that was one hit wonder territory and they had nailed it. Yes, and then they had the all star, which was a song that huge. I would say the only thing that I can think of that comes close to it in the modern time

is something like DMX's Y'all gonna make me lose my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still like in every trailer and commercial and all these things. So they got elevated into this like really bizarre territory. Yeah. And then they did the Shrek soundtrack.

Yeah, because it's not like a music, it's not like a hey-yah moment where everybody goes, oh my god, this music video or the music or Andre 3000 is like, they have put All Star on every commercial, in every movie, in every, in the store when I walked out. I also think that there's a dramatic difference between the hey yaw kind of moment of being like,

that maybe gets to a wider audience. Sure. And then people can realize how great outcasts catalog is. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm absolutely. Whereas I don't think that All star led to a rediscovery of Smash Fouts, like Album Cuts. No offense to Smash Fouts.

They were pretty bad, but critical reinvention of Smash Fouts. Yeah. Anyway, you were wrong. Oh, I was really wrong. Happy to admit it. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is I

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one morning i saw it and then the cops came and god i love the chicago cops whenever something horrible happens to you because they laugh in your face sure uh... that was great uh... and then after that, it was stolen. See, that's more of a disappearance than a hit and run. I mean, cars are still there. No, no, no. Well, I mean, the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This was the car before that. And then the car before that was my dad's red truck. Yeah. All of these cars never been mine and have gone horribly wrong. Well, this one still isn't. Still? Well, that's true. That's true, but I have paid it I

paid for it with monies that I mean it is an accomplishment and it is something to be uh be excited about but it is still your wife's car. I understand but I mean in 40 years I'll be able to say hey I paid off my student loans and that's what will be important. Do you have that much student loans? Yep you went to like one year of college. No. If you recall, I went to five colleges. That's true. But never longer than a year. That's the problem. The problem was not that I didn't go to enough college. Yeah. I do think that if you have a path like that, you definitely should have your loans forgiven. Like you've got nothing to show for it. It's not fair.

Yeah, it's not fair. And I mean, the other problem was just like, you know, I could get a degree from somewhere, but they want you to stay there at least two years. And then I was like, I don't wanna do that. So I just left. And I was probably a bad move, but it's hard to go back now. Yeah, you can't relitigate.

So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Yeah. On our last episode towards the end, we were alerted to the fact there was a Twitter spaces going on featuring Alex Jones and some other noted luminary shitheads. Oh, there is a last time on. Yeah. So today we are covering that because I wrestled with this.

Yeah. So first of all, I don't think a lot of people maybe even know what Twitter space is. I don't. So I tried to explain it to my dad earlier. And the way best I could come up with is it's like a party call, like a party phone line. You know, there's a big group call, but streamed on Twitter. So like on Twitter, you can have a bunch of people who are on the line and then they can all take turns

speaking and stuff sort of a group call. Okay. Do you, wait, do they call it SpaceX or? Spaces. Right, but I mean, it's not Twitter anymore. Oh, no, it's X spaces, yeah, I guess. No, that's stupid. Well, though that they've already taken.

Yeah, it's his name. So yeah, I think that would get confusing. So I wrestled with this because I think it's stupid and conversation, it doesn't feel like something I should just ignore. It feels like, you know, when you have someone like Marjorie Taylor Greene coming on Info Wars the first time. And it's like, this is relevant. This is a person who is in Congress,

who is on Alex's show, or when the vace comes on Alex's shit, you know, or I guess actually Alex was interviewed by the vace. Yeah. For his shit, you know, it I guess actually Alex was interviewed by Vivek for his shit. You know, it is like someone is running for president. These intersections of like what would be respected positions, people in those supposedly respected positions, it feels like I would be remiss if we just ignored that this happened. Right.

That's true. And there's one thing that's completely insane that happens. That I believe. So maybe it's worth it for that. Just's true. Um, and there's one thing that's completely insane that happens. That I that I believe. So maybe it's worth it for that. Just for that. Oh man, it's hard not to be like, I understand it is newsworthy. Uh, that we are surrounded by burning lakes of fire, but we are in hell. So it's not that newsworthy, you know, well, it's giving some Some sort of window dressing. It's letting you know what's going on sure sure sure showing you the lake right Let's look at that lake. Okay, but first let's say hello to some new wanks Okay, so first that moose that got the parking ticket. Thank you so much you're now policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much This is a Woody Allen bit

Yes next Ben from Canada. Thank you so much you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. This is a Woody Allen bit. Yes. Next Ben from Canada. Thank you so much you an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next I know these get delayed a bit, but here's hoping we're not too far into the monthly mustard tasting.

Looking forward to your stone ground, Dijon. Thank you so much you an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next, Maestro Jones says bear dog is number one dog. Thank you so much you an out policy wonk. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Next, Maestro Jones says, bear dog is number one dog. Thank you so much. You're an out-pollicy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. I and we got a couple technocrats on the mix, true. So thank you so much to Beats by Nim, appearing against the advice of my publicist Odette. You are now a technocrat and I became a technocrat just to publicly shame Dan for his garbage

survivor takes. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I'm I quit tomorrow actually. I'm just gonna take a little break You know a Little breaky for me And then we're going to come back And I'm gonna start to show over I'm gonna be taking up here. I'm gonna start the show over. But I'm the devil of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I wanna do. I never wanna come back here again.

I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having bright nouns on here. I'll be better tomorrow. Never. So I feel attacked. I'm not entirely sure what these garbage survivor takes are. That's what I was interested in. That's why I left it in there. They're on specifics I can't respond to any of them, but I do not have garbage so I take. Well the reason I left it in there. I'm interested to know

What do you think those could even be? I feel like I probably was disparaging about this season Okay, and I stand by that. Okay. I think I've been disparaging of a number of seasons so far. Well, especially the recent seasons, I think they have been dog shit. Okay. There's a problem that they've shortened the show. Sure.

So like, I think they probably had something to do with COVID. Yeah. Wow, I mean, yeah. So they're only out there for a shorter amount of time. So the game is played faster and that kind of sucks. Yeah. There's too many advantages. There's too many advantages,

there's too many weird twists. It's just, it's gone away from what made the show alluring. Right. And also I think the casting has been, like not great, a couple of seasons. I don't know, I'm just not into it. Yeah, I mean, I'm still watching it, but I'm not into it.

That's what, I mean, I guess what conf it, but I'm not into it. See, that's what, I mean, I guess, I guess what confuses me about the whole garbage takes thing is essentially you're like, everything's not as good as it should be. Yeah. Yeah, that's not really a garbage take. No, but I think they're, this person probably thinks that it is as good as it should be,

and maybe it's Jeff Probst. You know what, if this is Jeff, Jeff, stop listening to the show. You don't have enough time. Here's something I want to say about Survivor. On a recent episode, they did something with editing that I have never seen them do before and I found it to be absurd. So there was a challenge, the Unity and Reward challenge, I believe, or maybe just a reward.

Something like that. And some woman won and she decided to take all the women who are left with her on The the reward cool, so they went to like a spa or like got a food or something Yeah, and so the men stayed behind it camp right yeah, and so then the men are like burping and and like having Bro time and stuff great, I guess That I have seen before. Right. That has happened in Survivor Past. And I have edited it together. This turned into a montage of them doing bro stuff

with the song playing with the boys by Kenny Loggins. I'm sorry, what? Over it. The song from the volleyball scene and the top gun. Oh, I know my Kenny Loggins. I don't remember the last time that they had like a licensed song. Yeah for a montage and it was just to do playing with the boys. It was bizarre. I had no idea what they were doing. I like that. I like that because there's a story behind that and you know that one

of the editors was that had to get permission. They had to go through. they had to, they had to call, they were having a whole thing. And that's because somebody had a wild hair up their ass. It was like, hey, you know what? We don't normally do montages like this. But I think it's time to reach for the stars. It's completely out of line with the way this show is normally edited. But after chasing sunsets,

one of life's greatest joys is playing with the boys. You got to do it. And that's kind of what's going onys is playing with the boys. You gotta do it. And that's kind of what's going on on this... Oh god, it's not your taste. That's playing with the boys. It's a lot of dudes. Oh my god, what are they even doing? What?

What do they do? What are they doing? Are they talking about something? Or are they just like, we're here? As best I can tell, there's a character named Mario. I don't know who entirely sure who he is, but he seems to be the host of this space. they just like, we're here. As best I can tell, there's a character named Mario. I don't know who entirely sure who he is, but he seems to be the host of this space.

Oh, I thought we were doing a bit. No. I thought we were gonna get to jumping. Nope. Nope, his name is actually Mario. Mario something, I'm not sure. He plays very little role in this except as a periodic questioner of people.

Okay. And he tells people sometimes that their mic is on. That shouldn't be. Wow. And does not do a great job of keeping things on the rails or moderating or anything like that, but so he's doing this space. And from what I gather, the intention is to have Alex on

because he is now back on Twitter. And we'll talk about how great it is that he's back, ask some questions and stuff. And then as it is going on, tons of other people just end up showing up. Because it's on Twitter and you could just ask to be joined, you have a whole, so you end up with Jackson Hinkel, Matt Gates, Patrick Bet David, and others.

Who end up showing up? It's a who's who of dumb dumb. So you can, okay, so then the more general concept is anybody can like ask to be on. Yes, and the longest thing would green like them or not. Right, so it could be anybody. It's not like you have to have a number, or you have to have anything like that.

You're watching and you can participate in the instant if you. Yeah. Okay. And so I saw a like a screenshot of this on Twitter when it was happening on Sunday. Yeah. And one of the faces that I saw as like one of the speakers was Chase Geiser. God damn it. It was like what? He ranks.

He's relevant enough to be in this conversation. And then I realized as I listened to the beginning of this Alex's account has been reinstated but some of the features don't work. So he can't join Twitter spaces right with his account because that's still coming online. So it's he's using chase guys are a shout. That's a lot of fun. Excellent. So we start here with Mario, giving a little bit of a self-congratulatory Primus of the interview first the question that I have we've got pretty pretty incredible panel a lot of people that you Probably know we're gonna go to the panel in a bit as well for for questions, but

You know first I want to applaud you for coming here You could have gone anywhere, but you came on a platform that you know we ask the hard questions. We always try to represent all signs of every discussion and avoid echo chambers. And that was the first place you came on as you got reinstated on X. So I want to applaud that step. First question to have for you.

Thank you for coming on my show. I'll be back. So proud of you. Well, I've got to say it's not about me. It's about everybody having the courage to stand up for free space, particularly Elon Musk, Carlson and others. And because when we put up with somebody else being censored, whatever reason the media says or whether or something,

they said it was wrong or something that hurts our feelings, when we censor somebody else or go along with it, we end up censoring everybody else, including ourselves. So I want to applaud everybody for after five, six years of this nightmare for waking up. I don't know who this Mario guy is, per se. So I don't know if he does generally ask the hard questions and avoid echo chambers, but I can tell you based on the experience of listening to this. That is a fraudulent presentation of how this show goes down.

I mean, it's very... I just want to applaud you for having the courage to come on my show. Mm-hmm. You're brave. So amazing. Because you know what I do is I go hard in the paint. I'm maybe the best interviewer that's ever been. No soft balls around here. People don't want to, I mean people don't want to come on my show. I'm so good. Now first question. What does it feel like to be back on Twitter? You're the greatest human being that ever lived. How do you feel about that? So Look, here's the deal. Yeah, you're gonna hear a lot of Alex

Kiss and some Elon Musk ass in this and it starts pretty early. Wow So in your interview with Packer, you did express concern on what could happen to you Express understanding on why Elon didn't bring you back obviously that that didn't last long. And he also had concerns on what could happen to Elon if he does reinstate your account. Now that you're back, do you expect Elon who also called, I think he replied to Brian who's on stage, one of his replies he said, I expect revenue to potentially drop from this decision. Do you expect there to be a tax or pressure on Elon after he reinstated you? Well, I think he said that yesterday, I don't have the comment on X in front of me,

but he basically said, it's the right thing to do because the principal and it's also what the majority of the votes said. So this probably will hurt X monetarily, but justice be done may the heavens fall basically. But at the end of the day, it already has way more traffic, way more people. It's off on guard. It's it's it's revolutionary It's rebel it's maverick and that's what Elon Musk has always said he is and and he's done all these maverick things and people always say

Well, he didn't really do that But I went back and researched and he did do that all these incredible successes I'm not kiss him as asked is. And the fact that he could take over Twitter, free it and bring back one of the most demonized people have not the most demonized in the world. Talk about a witch hunt shows he put his money where his mouth is and is the Maverick's Maverick. I mean, nobody can argue now that this guy is is is not cutting edge Maverick. He's Maverick.

and argue now that this guy is not cutting edge Maverick. He's Maverick. And I would just like to point out something that maybe I haven't brought up on the show, but it's very funny. And that is that towards the end of Alex's book, the great reset, he relays the plot of a couple scenes of Top Gun Maverick. And that sounds right.

It's pretty amazing. You're telling me that- He loves that movie. You're telling me that even in the book, it's always a movie. Yep. Yep, so I'm sure that Musk knew that revenues would likely go down and he'd lose more advertisers if he let Alex back on the platform, but he's also being boxed in by the extreme right-wing audience he's cultivated to the point where the decision isn't really a Maverick decision

at all. It's bowing to the shouts of the mob. By his words and actions, Elon Musk is clearly politically and ideologically aligned with the most extreme right-wing voices in the media, many of whom are in this Twitter space. He's shown that he's desperate and is need to look cool for these shitheads, and that's much more important for him than creating a functioning decent to use website, and more important than running a successful business. In the second quarter of 2023, Twitter's revenue was down just about 50% year over year

and went from about 1.5 billion in Q4 2021 to just under 600 million in Q2 2023. He's overseeing the full deflation of a site from a revenue standpoint. Twitter has also been bleeding users who don't want to hang out on a website full of unchecked shitheads because it's a really bad user experience. The site was losing millions of daily users, so in response, Musk stopped using that metric and started pointing to monthly users since that number looks a bit better. By almost every metric, Twitter is going pretty much down the drain. According to stats compiled by exeos, app downloads dropped 38% globally and 57% in the US in the year after Musk brought the site.

User time on the app is decreasing and overall traffic to the site is down as much as 11% on web browsers in the United States. Essentially, what's going on is that Elon Musk is trying to take Twitter on a $44 billion joyride. A big part of that is letting the types of shit heads he likes create an unpleasant environment for the other users. It'll be a lot of fun for them while it lasts, but ultimately the end result of this is that the whole thing is going to go out of business, as it becomes just another telegram or GAB, where all the user bases just the dumb dumbs like these people and a handful of

folks who just have accounts to keep tabs on what they're up to. It's pretty annoying and it's a farce to see all this being masqueraded around to some kind of a free speech activism. We can't really expect them to do anything else. This is exactly what they would do. And if this is really about free speech, then Musk needs to go all the way. Let David Duke back on. Get Milo, Yannapal is back in the site. Let Tequila come back. All she did was post pictures of herself doing a Nazi saluted white nationalist gathering. That's free speech, baby. Come on, man. Let Tequila back.

Oh, yeah. I mean, he should let everybody back on, but... If it is a free speech, then... That doesn't. I mean, I appreciate that people continually confuse Elon Musk as somebody with a business or anything along those lines. But people really need to start thinking more along the lines of like MBS and that kind of thing. Like he has a sovereign wealth fund.

He does not have money. Money is not real to Elon Musk. Money is pretend. It's just when he gets to fun. He didn't pay $44 billion of his own money or any of that. It doesn't, $44 billion isn't even a real number of money. That's just a pretend thing that rich people talk about.

That's not real money. You know, like it's all fun. It's not in bills. It's all fun in games to do that, but it doesn't exist as something. It's pretend and he can do whatever he wants. Yeah, forever. Yeah, and he doesn't have a business in the form of Twitter either because it's not running a business.

It's not protecting free speech. It's creating a fiefdom where everyone cow-tows and bows to him like they do in this Twitter space. Yeah, the Saudi wealth, like the reason that like live golf and all of these, like the reason that MBS is spending $300 million on something that will make 40 bucks or whatever is because one money is pretend, it doesn't exist to him, and two, it makes him feel good.

This is what happens when you give one man too much power, is something feels good, is worth spending a billion dollars on. Hey man, I'm a heathenist I don't mind the idea of Pursuing pleasure. I understand that but other places where they're like oh, let's have a bored or something Can at least be like can we have some business? Well, tell that to Linda Yaccarino. Yeah, there we go poor lady Mm-hmm, I don't care fuck her. No, so anyway, this is all about free speech

Yeah, four lady. Don't care fuck her. So anyway, this is all about free speech. So demonized so lot about they built me into the devil's devil. It's an emotional level with so many people that that that that the devil's devil guy come after him deep. At a never before seen level. This happens. And the 80L the CIA and the Justice Department.

And the Southern probably lost their media matters. They were already doing it when I was taping the interview like three weeks ago. But since then, all those big establishment sponsors who are already being boycotted by the American people, by the way, so they're losing literally hundreds of billions of dollars in the aggregate because the people are boycotting them, as Elon said, well, now they're trying to bully Elon, to bully the American people, the people of the world. So he said, no, fuck yourself. And I can't, to bully the American people, the people of the world.

So he said, no fuck yourself. And I can't speak for Elon, maybe he'll call in. But I think when he, as soon as they did that to him, even though he tried to basically work with them was being very, very fair. And I think really cleaned up the thing of bots and things like that. As soon as they doubled down, he said,

you know what, screw you. I'll go ahead then and release the cracking. And it's not that I'm that good on Twitter or that I'm even that great of a talk show host. It's the symbol of what they built of Allige Jones is now an archetype of the rebel populist and what the establishment fears. And so what Elon did was really throw down the gauntlet. So that's not free speech at all then. He's just throwing a tantrum. He's mad at people and so he's like,

all right, I'll bring back this bombastic fucking idiot. Yeah. Right? I mean, like that's not a free speech stance. That's a fuck you. I want to do something that'll make you unhappy. Yeah. Stance. Yeah, that's that's pretty much the definition of spite.

Yeah. I believe that's spite. Sure. He did a spiteful thing. Yeah. Not motivated by a concern for free speech and everybody has the right to talk and blah, blah, blah. No, but I don't, Alex is speaking for Elon.

This is not necessarily what he did, but even in Alex's conception, Elon's throwing a temper tantrum. Yeah. Well, what Elon actually did was's throwing a temper tantrum. Yeah. Well, what Elon actually did was try and measure his own dick. Yeah. Yeah. So Elon's going to show up later, obviously. Obviously.

I don't know if I made that clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we've all got that. That's the big deal of this is Alex ends up talking to Elon for a long time. I hate us all. But he's not there yet. Yeah. And I don't think that they knew he was going gonna come. No. Like I think it's a surprise

sort of that he just showed up. But there is a bit of a panel that's there asking some questions. And first of them noted embarrassment and shithead Laura Luber. Great. I'll take a few questions from the panel. Maybe three quick questions, Laura and then Brian. Thanks Mario. No, I saw that you were asking Alex about whether this threatens democracy. I think the biggest issue is that this has been a threat to our constitutional republic and democracy all around the world.

And we've been blowing the whistle on this for years. I can't help but think back to the day before Alex was permanently banned from Twitter. And that was September 5th, 2000. I don't think you can say that anymore. I tend to the congressional hearing on big tech censorship and we called out Jack Dorsey. So I just wanted to play that

because Laura cannot stop bringing up that she was there in Congress with Alex the day before he got kicked off Twitter. Okay, send it. She before Alex shows up. There's a little bit of time where they're just talking to her. And she brings it up twice. Nice. It's like, all right, I get it. This is about you. Yes, yes, yes. You're very important as well. Thank you. I'm very, very important. So next we get Jack Pasobic coming in, given a little bit of a question slash comment. Good stuff.

Prior to Alex Jones is just really public execution in terms of the digital square. It was a digital public execution that we saw. Prior to that, the idea that people were beginning suspended on Twitter, Twitter 1.0, or even Facebook, or YouTube, or any of these things, it was ridiculous. You had either really seriously violate terms of service, death threats, doxing.

That was pretty much it. That was pretty much the only thing they were actually hacking the system. The only thing that gets you out. But when they did that to Alex Jones, it fundamentally changed the way that we operate on social media and the way that we share information

and up until the point where Elon Musk purchasing Twitter and transforming it now into X, we have not had the ability to freely share information. And that's why in the past year, it's basically even about a year in change since he purchased it, that's why you've suddenly started to see people and not even just on X, but out in the real world, out in normal conversations. We're finally starting to move past that point of intense censorship where if you've lived in any country that has an authoritarian regime, you know that the censorship isn't external, it's internal.

So it's internal, it's in your mind. You know you're not allowed to hold certain opinions, you know you're allowed to say certain things. And so you censor yourself before you speak. And so Alex, I just commend you. So they got a myth here, but this isn't reality. Before Alex got kicked off Twitter, there were plenty of people who got banned. My logo banned two years prior Holocaust denier and racist troll Charles Johnson, who's now claiming he was an FBI informant got kicked off in 2015. Tommy Robinson was kicked off earlier than Alex in 2018,

same for the proud boys and Gavin McGuinness. Shit, Azalea Banks was banned from Twitter earlier than Alex. Yeah. Roger Stone was kicked off a year before Alex. Alex's Nazi buddy Owen Benjamin was kicked off before him. Anyway, the point is that Alex was not digitally crucified or executed, and he wasn't the first high profile person to be kicked off for being a fucking asshole. But this is the new mythological telling of the story because it works really well for

narrative purposes. Now that Alex is back on Twitter, if they pretend that him being kicked off was the beginning of this rash of censorship that they've all been persecuted by, this becomes all the more triumphant. It's completely inaccurate, but very emotionally satisfying for them. So you know, you publish the legend as they say. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why I, I mean, and my point, you know, I think I said it on the last episode

about the whole like, you have to step on their throat in the fourth quarter. You're from sports. I'm from sports. Yeah. You have to step on their throat. And this is going to be one of the great, I told you so's, because I'm turning into,

I'm gonna go full psychopath when this comes true. And Alex is reinstated and popular among everyone, because none of you fuck stepped on a throat, and I'm gonna blame all of you. I'm gonna blame Mark, I'm gonna blame everybody who said, oh, the judge is cool. Nope, fuck all those judges, fuck all of those people,

but I don't, you step on a throat because here we are I'm not sure that in their capacities in those circumstances There was any way to metaphorically step on his throat. I understand what you're saying And then I blame all of you and society Creating a situation where in all of you behave stupid instead of not stupid. It's fair to blame society I'll give you that one. Okay. So, yeah, just a bunch of dumb, dumb shit heads talking about Alex, and here's another one.

So another example of someone that's gone through the same thing is obviously Andriottate, which you retweeted earlier. We've got Tristan on stage. Tristan, we've got Alex Jones back on X. We'd love your thoughts on your experience getting sensitive. Congratulations on finally being able to walk free. Well, thank you very much. As most of you know, I am free now to travel the entire country of Romania. It's just another step on the way to my eventual exoneration. This isn't as much of a setup as people think, but obviously I can't talk too much about the case.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't either. All right. So now the panel on this show that really loves to ask the hard questions and things about here, it's important to hear from all sides, has been Laurel Lumer, Jack Pasobic, and Andrew Tate's brother. The woman who handcuffed herself to Twitter's door, the guy almost pissed his pants and fear eating a comic ping pong while trying to push pizza gate, and a dude who's definitely going to prison for organized crime and sex trafficking. I honestly cannot imagine why advertisers wouldn't want to be associated with this kind

of platform. So that's the owner of the fucking site shows up and hangs out for like two hours with these shitheads. Recently the tape brothers have gotten their geographical restrictions loosened up so now they can travel around Romania as long as they get the court's permission first. The criminal charges are very much still pending and Andrew Tate is being sued by four women for multiple sex crimes in addition to that. There's that old saying,

you know a person by the company they keep and man, this is bad company. Like that band, bad company. We did the song, bad company. Man, just all the name, you know, it is, I just like the names don't even have meaning anymore. It's just that collection of sounds makes me tense up. You know, like if there's like a bad boon scream

in the distance, you're like evolutionary, like your body tenses up, you're like, I gotta fight. Like just hearing Andro Trey, like that, I don't even name. Not a name, it's not a name to me. It's just a collection of sounds that make fucking Wolverine claws pop out of my head. You see this collection, people? And I know that it's hacky to say nightmare blunt rotation,

but like, but really, that is, this is a, this is a worse thing I could think of. This is a room where if I walked into it, you couldn't stop me from getting out of that room. Yeah. Immediately. Yeah. Yeah. Wild horses couldn't keep me in that room. And I, I, I, I don't know how they would run a space for the horses. That's not how horses are. You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, I do. And shit gets worse because there's apparently a voice from the other side that's allowed

in the mix here. Oh, and of course, the other side, it's one of the Crescent steam brothers. There we go. Right. Before we move on to the war and you've prayed and the war and Gaza will give you the mic for a quick question. Yeah, so before I ask you a question, I just want to say we're probably about as far politically away from each other as anybody you can get. I disagree with you on probably so much. But I think dialogue is key. And I think I even advocated for your banning at one point probably a 2017 or something

like that. And when we were banned in 2019, you were literally the only person to actually speak out for us. So I thank you for that. So I guess my question would be, like, what are your thoughts about the new X community notes? Obviously, that's gonna help fact checking. Have you played around with community notes? Do you understand how that works? And how do you think that's gonna be used? Whether it's for you or against you? I welcome community notes.

I mean, I think that it's not censorship, it's the community square. Are you wanna better answer Ding Dong? All the idiots who like Alex's shit already think community notes are bullshit and they just ignore them. Yeah, I was gonna say. Plus, Alex was on his show days before this workshopping with collars had to evade the notes in the first place.

It's an incompetent system that applies literally no pressure or pushback on misinformation, but is designed to give the image of doing exactly that, which is why Alex doesn't have a problem with it. It poses zero threat to his ability to spread bullshit, so it's fine. And I understand, it's like, oh, there's fact checking there, like, oh, if someone posts something wrong, then the thing that's right is underneath.

Hey, guess what? All those people are still making money off those wrong posts. I mean, I'm hilarious. Yeah, there's still a giant financial incentive in posting the bullshit that gets notes that people ignore. I wonder how hilarious. Yeah, there's still a giant financial incentive in posting the bullshit that gets notes that people ignore. Yeah, the idea that that matters is absurd. Observed.

But the interesting thing, Alex loves being corrected. Sure. That's why he loves the ideas he's community notes. Great, he'll update his stuff. And the crazy statement is the answer is being able to respond to it. And so I really welcome community notes because then it's not some big corporation like Microsoft with their news guard who's got one of the worst records actually of prooffulness out there telling you that they're the arbiter of truth and using to deceive people. I well developed by Sylvester Stanton. I welcome people corrected me. You know when I'm on the radio slash TV to my

weekday shows at Info Wars, I've got a crew and they're running it and they don't tell me what to say or do. But a couple times a day they said, hey, you just said a date wrong or you just said something that they know is wrong and then I I correct it because I never consciously get something wrong.

But when you're talking three, four hours a day, you make mistakes. And so I think that that's what this is all about. And so I really look forward. And in fact, I want people to politically disagree with me to come on. That's much better radio and TV, but the internet put people in their own silos

where we don't communicate with each other. And half the time, we're disagreeing with the other side because we have a distorted Perspective of what they're saying and so just to be clear Alex is saying that in his belief his enemies have a distorted view of who he is This is not a two-way street. He's sure he knows exactly who his enemies are and they all work for the devil He's trying to paint this as a thing where the two sides just need to get together and realize they're not so different, but that conversation is not going to be give and take. Uh, and we've seen it a bunch of times. The two sides need to get together in a room where they can either join my side or never leave the room again. Right. It's simple, but it would be good radio because it would just be Alexie Allen gets someone to make an an ass of himself like you do with

Bill Ayers. I mean, that's good stuff. That was pretty good. As Alex was being corrected, you'd think that at some point he'd get on air and issue a correction based on the literal thousands of things we've talked about that he's been wrong about, was lying about, or just entirely made up. I imagine his engagement with community notes won't be any better, and within a month or so,

I would expect him to come up with a conspiracy about leftists within the community note structure working against him. I wouldn't be too surprised if he tried to make some hay out of that. Yeah, that's not. At a certain point, like, obviously you have no problem with community notes because it doesn't really threaten you. But Alex is somebody who gets annoyed. And I could see him being annoyed by it to the point where he comes up with a conspiracy

about the notes. Well, I mean, the notes are good for two groups of people. They're good for the group of people who likes to see people on the far right say stuff that is obviously wrong. And then they're like, haha, I bet they care the idiots, you know. And then there's the other group of people who it's important to. And those are the people who work at Twitter who get to complain about how evil it is and how terrible it is for those people. Okay, there's a third group then too, and that is the people who want to cover their ass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that. Yeah, pretend that this has any impact whatsoever on misinformation. Right. That the people like Elon Musk, who coincidentally is about to show up. Great. He shows up and he has a question for Alex right out of the gate. And Alex, you know, I look, I honestly don't know, don't really know you and you don't know me, but, who coincidentally is about to show up great. And he shows up and he has a question for Alex right out of the game. And Alex, you know, I look, I honestly don't know, don't really know you and you don't know me, but, um, wait, I thought Alex, like had dinner with musk and like, I mean, I was in with Rogan. Oh, man, maybe that was all made up. Maybe. You know, I, one of the questions I really have to just get out of the way and I,

and you, you've probably talked about this already before as a whole sandy hook thing. And, um, and I, you know, because I, it's not like, obviously, if, you know, if it's not sort of denying or that, so, mirrors of children, that's not cool at all. You know, and so just what exactly did you say and what is going on with that situation, you know? I just, I would like to actually hear what you, what did you say and what is going on with that situation? I would like to actually hear what did you say

and yeah. Well, Elon, thank you for allowing me back into the public square. Oh, man, so yeah, this is, you know, it's good. It's good. Really starting, starting the conversation off right, asking Alex, hey, man, it's not cool for somebody to die the deaths of a children. What was up with that, man? What was up? I appreciate the massive ridiculous and over-inflated ego that comes with somebody saying stuff like Why don't you tell me what you said Because because there's it comes along with two things it comes along first with I'll know if you're lying right Yeah, yeah, cuz I'm a genius. I have done no looking into this of my own accord Which could be done very easily.

All I need to do is look a man in the eye and hear what he has to say. And I don't know if he's being honest. I don't even think it's that. I think it's just a please lie to me in a way that allows me to cover my own ass about this. And that was the other thing. Yeah.

That's what people want, like Alex to do. They're just like, please just make it okay for me to not be mad at you Yeah, or whatever. I don't really care what you did. Yeah Obviously we never did we were helping harass the Sandy Hook families So Alex as I came in you want the short answer or the long answer good question It's I don't know how much would you like the short answer or the medium? Well, I think I think at least the medium answer. Look, I guess people just want to know, obviously it would be like heartless and cruel to deny

a school shooting of children or to attack the parents or anyone who was involved, it seems that that would be, just incredibly mean and cruel, frankly. So that's what a lot of people are upset about. At least they think that is the reason if you have said about it. And if that were true, I think we're rightly be upset with you. Oh, okay.

I mean, that's well communicated. I think, I think we know the stakes of this conversation. So he wants at least the medium version. And here goes, Alex is going to jump into what we obviously know is going to be alive. Yeah, yes, sir. Well, please let me then just tell you what really happened. Okay. Yes.

And if you want me to send you a dog, you know, it's like a narwhal. I mean, both of us here account, you know. Yes, sir. I will do that. So, so let me, let me tell you what happened. I'm a guy that didn't go to college. I mean, a few years from the college, I started on access TV.

Nope. I already done. I was not professionally trained. And by 19, by 2016, I had a third of it happened. Viewers know first. But first, I was the biggest shows, biggest roganist now or bigger. And I had a very small operation and did not even understand how powerful I was. And so when that event is it's called the school shooting, which I didn't believe happened, happened 11 years ago.

The internet exploded and it was a top story for off and on for years with all these professors and former school safety people and all of them saying they believed it was a drill. And I simply covered them covering that. What was in and in court against me in both cases where I was found guilty by judges, come on in New York, there's a judge in Trump's case, not even a jury, in his real estate case.

And then years later, after Trump got elected, and after I was de-platformed, it made me bigger. And so suddenly I would wake up and there would be sometimes 100 articles or more a day, every major news channel saying that I was currently saying nobody died, currently sending people to their houses, currently being on graves, I don't even know these people's names.

All he said, one of their names ever. So I love the way Alex is making himself such a squeaky clean, respectable little boy from Mr. Musk, calling him sir. I don't know, worm. Obviously, anybody who followed the case at all or has listened to Alex's shows from the time of the shooting knows that he's entirely full of shit. The day of the shooting, Alex got on air

and suggested it was a false flag. He started insinuating that Robbie Parker, one of the parents of a murdered child, was an actor almost immediately, long before he ever came into contact with Wolfgang Halbig, the wildly discredited school safety administrator he's claiming he just covered. Alex didn't just cover Halbig. Alex promoted Halbig, all while he had every reason to know that Halbig was literally stalking and harassing the parents, insisting they were actors and that the kids never existed. Alex had Halbick on the show as an expert and directed his fans to financially support

Halbick so he could continue his harassment. And not only that, Alex paid for his employee Dan Badandi to go to Connecticut to join in the harassment of Newtown residents, which Alex celebrated and aired on his show as a triumphant thing in the Info War. Further, Alex sold Jim Fetzer's book No One Died at Sandy Hook on his website, and literally all of the quote anomalies Alex was so confused by that made him suspect it was all the hoax, came directly from either Fetzer or Hal Bigg. It was those two, and then a third person even closer to Alex, Steve Pachanik, who was

feeding Alex Crisis Actor Narratives long before he met Wolfgang Albig. The reality is that Alex wanted to cover Sandy Hook as a fake event because it was an incredibly powerful driver of traffic and sales for him. Alex understands that emotionally traumatic events are ones that have a way of overwhelming people's rational thinking, and there are a few things that are more traumatic than a mass murder

of children in a school. No one wants to believe that kind of thing could happen, so it's not difficult for talented conspiracy theorists to entice people into that false narrative that allows them to not accept that reality. Alex wanted to cover the story this way and that's why he gravitated towards these bullshit experts who were clearly full of shit,

like Wolfgang Halbick, Jim Fetzer, and he just, as a soft spot for Steve, so, Steve could do whatever he wants on the show. Yeah. It's a convenient story to pretend that this was the internet was, you know, just really interested in Sandy Hook. And Alex was just covering what these guys were saying, but that's cowardly revisionist trash.

Alex was doing what Alex always does, which is trying to profit from other people's pain. There weren't hundreds of stories all the time that Alex was saying, you know, he's still saying things to send people to the victim's family's homes. He repeated his defamatory claims about them because he got mad about Neil Hessland going on making Kelly's show and talking about his experience. So some people rightly reported that Alex is still saying the things about these families that he said in the past and it was the stuff that led to their harassment.

He has no one to blame for that but himself and for what it's worth multiple times under oath during his deposition and trial as well as on air during the trial Alex repeated his assertion that Sandy Hook was probably fake so he can calm the fuck down with his amavictum stuff. I want to take a quick moment and examine something that Alex said at the beginning of that clip though because I think it reveals something important. He's trying to dodge responsibility for his actions, or minimize them by saying that he never went to college and he wasn't formally trained. I've listened to countless hours of Alex's show, and I can tell you with zero reservation that

Alex has no respect for formal education or training, particularly in the field of journalism. The fact of whether he was trained or not should be immaterial here, and Alex is doing that and bringing this up to make his actions look like an innocent mistake. Also if I wasn't trained for the job as a possible excuse for defaming the grieving families of dead children and directing harassment in their direction, then I would suggest that training for this job should be mandatory. Clearly the subject matter being handled by someone in Alex's positions is far too sensitive and dangerous to be trusted in the hands of someone who's this fucking irresponsible.

Speaking of which, I wonder if Alex is going to tell Elon that he was drunk on air when he said that the families were actors. I'm going to guess he's going to avoid that because that's a detail that's just there for the cool kids' table when he's trying to sound like a badass rebel. Here, he's in sniveling worm territory, so that kind of game just isn't gonna work and Elon Musk doesn't eat all this shit up pathetic Yep No other nothing else to say just yep, I mean it is garbage. I have plenty of I plenty to say

I mean at a certain point This is not our first time going down this road. No. So I think to hear it be gone down with Elon Musk. Yeah. I mean, I'm just now more interested in like, because here's the, how could I put it this way? I think that in the concept that I'm given, by people that the law matters, right? And so that means that the case has been handled with Alex. The case is over. The law has done its job, right?

So at this point on, everything that Alex gets to do is everybody else's fault, not Alex's, because the law has handled it, right? So that means that the Sandy Hook chapter is closed in terms of what people can argue about. It's been done in the law, so that's that. And if you don't like the results of that, which I have a hard time imagining anybody does, that's your fault, that's our fault.

That's a good, that is the justice systems fault. That's everybody's fault. But Alex's, at this point, Alex is playing with house money and he can do whatever he want and whatever he gets to do is our fault. Well, as a society, we take responsibility. I think that it is just so disgusting, I guess, on Yeah. That people will not inform themselves in any way about the reality of these situations, to the point where Alex has free reign,

to just lie about what the case is about, what he did, what anything happened. Like that, to me, is such a abdication of any concern on the part of everybody in this call, quite frankly. Right. Well, to me, I have, I mean, these people are supposed to be shit heads. That's what they do.

That's their job. It is the media's job, ostensibly, to not allow that to happen. I feel like sometimes they try, but like, it's... I mean, in this case, from what I saw of the past weekend, I think they work for Alex. I think they do. I think genuinely speaking. Well, it's somewhere along the line. We talk about this money works for Alex now. We talk

no longer. We talk about this a bit, though, that is the like, yeah, it's going to drive traffic to have a story about Alex being back on Twitter. And it's not in service of the public being informed. It's not really helping anything, but it will drive traffic and so that's what's done. I would be stoked. Honestly, I would be stoked if that's all they did. If all they did was write Alex Jones is back on Twitter. That's news, I get it.

That's fine. Then they go on to say Alex Jones was back on Twitter. He apologized for, they lie. They lie because it's easier than actually doing their job and they do it all the time Yeah, no one wants to do this job. No, it's hard. It's why I end up doing it exactly So anyway, Musk does call out one thing that Alex says about the Sandy Hook stuff And it seems like a like an interesting like ask for more information, but it's really not yeah And I believe their children died and I understand all that. Okay. But I'm saying, imagine I was not a platform, no mention of the school shooting in Connecticut

for like six, seven years. Then they go back to my timeline and it turns out it was a big New York PR firm, Democratic Party. They dredged up, they run hundreds of articles, sometimes a day, but a week for over a year suddenly it becomes a big story again. What's the PR? People, pardon me? Which propaganda phone was this? PR, PR, PR, PR as a,

public relations is a propaganda, propaganda word for propaganda. So I think we should call it PRF. Wow. Because that is the effect what they do. So, we're totally sure. I will find the name as soon as I'm off, because I can't do today.

I'm not going to do todays at once. I can't walk into the bubblegum. But I will post it to the two X. So, that's the first really interesting thing that's happened here. A Elon Musk actually asked Alex a follow up question that Alex absolutely cannot answer. Alex's story about why he got sued by Sandy Hook was that a PR firm that works with the UN and the Democratic Party got mad at him because he was too popular and Trump got elected. So they went through his history and found something they could attack him over.

This is absolute bullshit, but I've never seen anyone call Alex out on it. Will you repeat it? That's true. Alex's answer is really interesting. You can't remember the name of the PR firm. It's interesting because here's Alex from like 35 minutes earlier in the call just before you all must could show up.

Then they had, we later learned, I'm not gonna say names, we're gonna get into it because that's what they want's attention. But we learned there was a big powerful New York PR firm, and actually there's the PR for the UN and also for some of the CIA operations. And that's really what we're talking about here. That's all come on Congress now. And then they went and dredged up stuff in my timeline out of context blew it up times

a million and then said that I was currently doing things I'd never done just outrageous horrible things but notice never proof, never clip, never a video. Plenty of it. So that seems a little bit different. Alex is never going to come out and say who this firm is because he's making all of this up. Alex is a total idiot but even he knows that if you were to actually make an accusation

like this about a real business, he will get sued immediately. Yeah. It's really weird to see Musk have the instinct to ask a clarifying question here and yet still be completely oblivious to how flagrantly Alex is lying to his face. But I think that what's going on is that, you know, Musk has this battle against media matters going on right now and all this. And so he considers all them PR firms. Yeah, you didn't want to ask a question.

He wanted to say that PR firms were propagandists. Yeah, you wanted to use this as like part of his He was saying something. Yeah. Yeah. He was making a statement in the form of asking Alex It's the last the Point of like, oh, what is that? Yeah, you know like it's it's not asking a follow-up question It's a can we talk about something I like yeah exactly. Yeah, so Alex gets to Admitting that he you know, he did say it was fake, which is progress, I guess. I guess I did question it.

I did say at times I could see that I might even say it now, they'll take it a context set it again. I did have what they did in court on me was 23 minutes of video and audio over five, six years. We did an audit. I hadn't talked about them when they sued me for two years. I refused to talk about it. I apologize when the PR firm got involved. And I know who it was at the time was just all the news. I

said, Hey, I thought it happened. I said it happened. I said it happened. I decided it happened five years after it happened. So I said, I'm not the fannie hook guy. It turns out some of these experts that said it didn't happen are crazy. They made up stuff. I said, I believe it happened. And then they spun it and said, oh, now he admits he lied about it.

So it isn't who I was. It's kind of like they've done with you and you did nothing like I did. I mean, I did question it. I did say a few times that I thought it hadn't happened. But I didn't turn the knife. I didn't really think about it. I did say a few times that I thought it hadn't happened, but I didn't turn the knife. I didn't really think about it. I thought about how I was talking about the internet with YouTube videos of 30, 40 million

views that I didn't make. Sure. It was a hot topic that would come back from time to time, but no, I was not the creator of it. I was not the presenter of it. I was not the guy pushing it. Alex just said that he decided the shooting really happened five years after it happened. That would be in December 2017.

Alex was interviewed on Megan Kelly's show, which also featured the Neil Hessland interview in June 2017. The actions he took trying to attack Hessland's appearance in that interview are the grounds for bringing this suit against him. So by his own admission, at the time he was on Megan Kelly, he thought the shooting didn't happen and that these people were all fake. Yeah, what's going on here is that Alex is mixing up his timeline because he knows he's talking to shit Ed's who don't actually want the truth. Yeah, they just want Alex to lie to them in a way that gets them off the hook for

looking into any of this and having to deal with the fact that, oh my God, this guy is a real piece of shit. Yeah, when they go and talk to their friends in real life and they're like, I can't believe you talk to Alex, then they can be like, oh, Alex is different. He's not what you think. Yeah, right, right. That allows that, whereas if they dealt with this in reality, yeah, they could do that. Yeah, they'd be like, why did you talk to Alex?

Yeah, I know, I'm ashamed of that. And also not for nothing, but the idea that Alex is admitting to believing and preaching on air that the shooting didn't happen for the first five years isn't helping his case the way he thinks it is. That was when most of these people were traumatized the most deeply, where the grieving process was literally interrupted by violent harassment from idiots who thought they were actors. By saying that he didn't think the shooting happened for the first five years, he's ineffective in admitting to complicity with the worst part of what he's accused of.

Alex said that he apologized and admitted that some of these experts he relied on to make the claims or crazy liars, but this introduces some more problems. The first is that one of these so-called crazy liars was Steve Pachanek, who remained a respected guest on Alex's show until the 2020 election when he got on Alex's bad side by insisting that all the ballots were secretly watermarked. The second is that even after this point, Alex continued to repeat the claims made by Hal Bigg and Fetzer, the ones that he's conceding these dudes made up. Even under oath in his deposition, Alex still clung to some of these things to justify

why he thought Sandy Hook was suspicious. The third problem is that Alex didn't just repeat these guys' claims in a way that would be like Wolfgang Hal Bigg believes X, Y, or Z. Read about it here. Alex presented the position that it was a fake event with crisis actors as the result of him researching the whole thing. This wasn't a slip-up. He was lying to the audience about doing research about this, when in reality he was just parroting the insane claims of these liars because it was more interesting to the audience and a drove traffic. Like Alex said, it was a hot topic. At the end there, you get an interesting insight

into Alex's mind. He said that he wasn't thinking about the shooting and he wasn't turning the knife. The thing is, he clearly was turning the knife. He wasn't thinking about what he was doing because he didn't care. He didn't care that he was lying about people in a way that turned a knife in their wounds.

They didn't exist to Alex, but the narrative did, and that was a juicy narrative. If you can take the deeply traumatic event and blame it on your enemies, that is a powerful recruitment tool for the Info War, and that was what Alex was interested in. He didn't give a fuck about these people and what they were going through and what impact his actions had on them. Yep. He's a bad person. He is a bad person.

But he's apologized. Every, ah, yeah man, he, what is fun about Alex is that because I'm like, I've raised in a fiction world, like I've always interacted with reality through fiction first, you know, that kind of concept. That's where I learned about, you know, like, I learned about a lot of shit from Moby Dick when I was like too young for Moby Dick, that kind of concept. That's where I learned about, you know, like, I learned about a lot of shit from Moby Dick when I was like too young for Moby Dick,

that kind of stuff. Mainly, don't click Moby Dick.com. Uh, no. No, it is just like, all of the morality tales, you know, that idea of the scarlet letter of the albatross, of all of these things, should shove it up their ass. Because in 2023, that does not exist.

It doesn't exist. Do you know what I mean? That idea of, like, but also I think that all those stories are saying that that's a bad thing to do, right? I mean, where I'm a Scarlet Letter is not good. No, no, no, no. I mean, the concept of public shaming

and of something being with you forever. Right. That kind of idea, you know, and I mean, I mean, also in terms of like, oh, when he was permanently banned from Twitter, that no longer exists. We should not even allow. No, I know, but I mean, that kind of idea is that

we should not even consider the permanently as a part of things. Right. You know, there's no permanently. You can always redo it. Yeah. You know, we're on it up again. Run it back one more time.

And like whatever kind of public shaming that there is is not effective if you can find a group of people who it's profitable for them to deny that you have any reason to be ashamed. Yep, absolutely. So that's what we're experiencing here. But the issue comes down to Alex's apologize so many times. So, so many times. No, he has not.

Not one time. Not really. No. I mean, I'll post it next to you one. There's over a hundred apologies that I've given over a hundred. In fact, probably 500 every show I go on the ass does. I apologized on Joe Rogan's show five years ago.

I apologized on Patrick Ben David's show five years ago. I mean, these are prominent ones. I apologize on every show and I'll say it again. I apologize that I just gave my commentary because I'm really just a guy that talk radio host. So I do that on the internet, I just take calls and interview guests. And that I played devil's advocate

and if that hurt people's feelings, I apologize. But I did not send people to your houses. I did not be on graves. I don't know any of the stuff that went on and then when they had the trials After I was on guilty trials on damages. There was never any video people peeing on graves any video people at houses I love the idea that Alex has this like whenever he needs to get out of trouble for stuff I'm just a talk show host, you know

I'm just you know, I'm an untrained I didn't go to college guy and then on his show He's screaming about how God chose him to fight the devil He does prophetic visions and he's never wrong. Oh shit. Get the fuck out of here nonsense Yep, when I'm around anybody who might hold me accountable. I'm just a regular old person who can't be held accountable Right and when I'm not around anybody who could hold me accountable not even Can't help me accountable you motheruckers. Yeah, I am basically an entity that requires you to change your religious beliefs. Yes.

If you accept me, you have to change your religion. If you accept Alex, you have to accept Boy so much. Alex is him. Like I honestly am getting to the point where I'm thinking this is more like a culture than maybe we give a credit for it It has to be yeah, so none of the Alex's apologies are real. They're all like this complete bullshit lies about what he did followed by a Performative if I if I hurt you. I'm sorry

There's no apology without responsibility and Alex is literally incapable of taking responsibility for his actions The perfect encapsulation of that is him insisting I never sent anyone to your homes. And maybe that's true in the sense that he never literally ordered anyone to go to people's homes. However, he promoted and preached that these people were actors, faking having had their family members murdered, so that they could be used to take away American citizens' guns. They were being used as a weapon against the Second Amendment and they were willing participants

in that. This put a giant target on these grieving people, which was only made worse by Alex's frequent comments that people needed to look into what's going on there. And all that. Beyond that, Alex literally did send Dan Badandi to Newtown to harass people, so maybe he didn't go to their homes, but he did go to their town. And let's not forget that he was fundraising for Wolfgang Halbig, who was using those funds to continue his campaign of harassment against these people where he literally did go to their homes.

I know that Alex doesn't want to feel responsible for his part in this, but that doesn't really matter, until he stops dodging this aspect of things as apologies don't really matter. Also, no one was accusing Alex of peeing on a grave, and I don't know why he would expect that to be video of it. I mean, what happened was that Mark and Jackie Barton received a letter from someone who claimed that he had peed on their 70 year old son's grave. They got another letter threatening to dig it up to prove that their son didn't exist. Alex has taken this unthinkably painful detail that the family shared during the trial and he's weaponizing it for his own purposes. Alex still doesn't give a single shit about any of these people and the pain he was causing

and was a part of causing. And it would really do heal on a lot of good to look into the actual reality of this, instead of relying on a liar to tell you the truth about it. Like, that's so dumb. Yeah. Yeah. Pointless exercise.

I can't believe I harp on this so much, but I do. His apologies are so fucking, I can't understand how the world doesn't just like listen to what he says because I understand using the word sorry so I understand that exists in a sense it's not a magic word but if your sentence structure is like this here is why what you're telling me I did wrong wasn't that bad and I didn't do it second step here is why what you're telling me I did wrong is probably that bad and I didn't do it second step here is why what you're telling me I did wrong is probably something that I didn't even do third step here is why what you're telling me wrong

Hurts me and you should apologize to me for hurting my feelings. I'm really the victim here is what step number four So anyways, I hope that now we can be fine. And after you apologize to me. Yeah, and if any of this bullshit that really I'm the victim and all of that is somehow inconveniences you, I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that is meaningless. To even pretend that adding the word sorry to that is, is in a front to language itself. True.

And so Alex talks a little bit more in this next clip about how he is really the victim and all this. Yeah, there we go. I challenge people to find me, say, any of the names. I said one guy's name, and I apologized to him on the stand. The thing had probably 100 million views on five or six different YouTube videos of him smiling and laughing before he walked to the mic. I played the clip one time and said, yeah, that looks like he's an actor. I did not attack him, did not

come after him, did not say his child didn't die. Look, I don't want to fight with him though. I said to them in a deposition, I said, I will chop my pinky finger off with a with a meat clover right

now. And I will. If you'll just leave me alone and stop saying, I made hundreds of'll just leave me alone and stop saying I made hundreds of millions of dollars off of you and stop saying I'm attacking you. So it's very simple. I had become and I know what happened. The media ran a year of articles attaching them in my name. Same things I never said as a strong man in raging them against me. And then, so they've been victimized,

they've been manipulated by a PR operation. And so I would love to come on X with the families. I'd love to raise money on this show or your show Elon or any of them. I'd love to come on here and raise them $10 million for gun safety awareness next week. I would love to, I would love to be in an open panel with them. I would love to, I would love to be in an open panel with them. I would love.

Okay. Okay. It looks, it actually looks like Ed Crasnstein wants to talk. Oh, God. So Alex just said that for five years, he thought the shooting didn't happen. By definition, he was saying that Robbie Parker's child didn't exist. This is such a lazy bullshit. And I can't believe Musk can be persuaded this easily. Like, how can he possibly go through life if he's this uncurious about liars clearly lying to you? When you take somebody into out of their circumstance and put them in a different circumstance and then ask them a question about something that can often help you understand what it is they're saying in that other circumstance.

For instance, if you were to ask Alex, would you be so easily tricked by a PR firm? He would say, no, I'm not that stupid. And then we go over here into this scenario and he says, oh, these families, they've been tricked by these PR firms, by these lawyers, by all of these things. Now, if you understand how language works, that means he's calling them stupid.

Sure, Andy's entirely invalidating the entire perspective and autonomy of the families by insisting that the media and the PR firms incited them against him everything. He's literally incapable of accepting responsibility for his actions that cannot conceive of a reality where these people don't like him for the reasons they say if they think Alex is bad their opinion can't possibly be genuine because Alex knows that he's super good. Yeah, another thing to point out is that dangerous a game Alex is playing here. The family is clearly don't want to engage in media bullshit games with him like coming

on a panel, something that would be literally just whitewashing PR for Alex. But what he's doing has a very real potential to restart a fair amount of harassment. It's not a very difficult thing to imagine Alex's fans doing some kind of why won't you do a panel with Alex kind of shit and I find it difficult to imagine that Alex doesn't understand that that is a potential outcome of what he's doing. Like he's putting more likely attention and harassment in their direction and that's probably not good. Yeah, I mean, I think it will be an interesting test to see what kind of a deterrent Alex actually Alex's court case actually was towards future harassment like this, you know, because if Alex's fans continue harassing, I think that

says everything you need to know. I would imagine that they will not. So Musk takes this question from Ed Crasenstein. So we've had both Crasenstein brothers. I mean, who are the Crasensteins? What are they? Are they the one? Were they the Facebook ones? They were, I know that's the Winkle Voss twins. Yeah, they're the ones who were with, uh, yeah, that's the people who founded it. I don't even know what brothers exist in it. Which are the property brothers? Are they brothers or those weirdos on TV? Okay

Flip houses all right the Crashingstein brothers are guys who had Twitter presence and they were real like Blue Wave hashtag resistance type. Oh like the 2017 people who got popular a lot of a lot of like Trump is gonna go to prison. Don't you agree? Sure. I don't engage meant farming. Yeah, yeah, kind of stuff. Those guys.

And then I think there also was some scams and fake accounts. And so I didn't follow it too closely. Yeah. I'm not an expert on the Christ and steam brothers because I think they're just, I don't know, social media shit hints for the most part,

but they're extensively on the left. And so that's why they are like sort of a left wing voice in this thing. Great. So now we've got both of them though. Good to have you guys there. Already heard from Brian. Now it's going to come in. Ed Crasnstein wants to talk.

Maybe Ed could be good to hear from me. Yes, so I'm kind of have the question for you, Elon. So let's say. OK, I mean, it's not this is not. It's not not. It will I mean, this is not, this is not, this is not my opportunity. If you, me, it will be in the two Alex Jones though. It's so easy. Okay. It's going to be an interesting. So let's say Alex Jones or somebody else does the same thing,

but clearly directly claims that a school shooting did not take place when we know it did. Does that future person or Alex Jones get banned or is the new policy that they remain? We need to look at the circumstances there. The rule that we're trying to follow here is to obey the laws. Stop.

Stop. To obey the laws of the United States, to obey the laws of the countries in which X is present. And really do have to know, not go beyond the law on the premise that if the people wish the law to be different, then the people will ask their representatives or their leaders to change the law. But otherwise, our goal is to, he was closely to the law, but otherwise our goal is to, uh, he was closely to the lowest possible.

Um, so if somebody says something that is, uh, unlawful, then we will take action. If someone does not take, do something that is unlawful, then we would aspire to not take action. So I guess the answer is that you can deny school shootings on Twitter. That's fine. This dude's a real piece of shit. He's hiding behind this thin veneer of pretending that his rules on Twitter are just going to be in line with the law of the country, but that's not at all how he's operated. Within the last month, he said that using the word decolonization was a euphemism that quote, necessarily implied genocide, which wasn't going to be allowed. Cool. Does the law of the United States say that you can't use the word decolonization?

It seems like Elon's extending past the law of the land there because he wants to. In November of last year, Elon kicked off a bunch of people for making parody accounts about it. Was that against the law of the land or was that it must just be a little fucking baby? Saying that you'll allow whatever speeches allowed by law is a perfect way to run cover for why you're not kicking off the racist trolls and lying grifters who are Elon's main fan base. It just rings a little bit hollow and that's clearly not the standard that you're using.

And to be clear, Elon's free to use whatever standard he likes. So long as he's not restricting people based on a protected class, like it is his business, he did buy it. Yeah. But it's a pathetic charade to pretend what he's doing is guided by adherence

to the law in protecting speech. It's just, I don't know, it's a farce. I mean, it is, it is like a guy going out of his way to make me not like him. Yeah. Because there is, there is, I mean, one thing he could do that nobody would even be mad at him about is if he was just like, I am going to behave whimsically. Yeah. I'm going to evaluate each on a case-by-case basis,

depending on how I feel on that day Maybe he will be banned and maybe he won't get old fucking care get ready. It's chaos world Absolutely if he said that I'd be like this is a shithead who needs to be stopped But that's a great thing to say good on you buddy. Yeah, I mean it's the pretending that you're just like Oh, well it here to the laws. Oh fuck you That's just a way to like not have people leave. Every, oh man, it's just everybody who says they're so courageous as a coward.

Everybody says they're smart as fucking stupid. It's annoying. Completely unrelated to that. Yeah. The fake Ramaswami shows up. God damn it, it's annoying. So here he jopes it. I think there's two kinds of ways to worry.

If you're worried about the spread of misinformation or false facts, one is let's deal with the content of the speech itself. Yes. It's talked about community notes as being imperfect though it is, maybe the best method out there on the internet. And I think that that's one of the discussions to have. That's quite a different thing from what the law certainly looks at as the most draconian First Amendment violation,

which is what it calls a prior restraint, which is to previously just to restrain a person from speaking period. And I think that that is, no matter what the content of the speech is, it's quite a different thing to say that because of who you are or what you have said in the past, you may not say another thing in the future. And so I just think that those are two different concepts. And I just for one just wanted to share my experience

of my Alex Jones experience, if I may, is perfectly perfectly said because you don't cut somebody's tongue out. Yeah, even if I did back into the past. Well, but you know what if you see I mean, but if people say false things they deserve to have the consequences for that particular speech aired out in the marketplace of opinions and you know community notes is one feature of doing that. And I think that's a legitimate discussion to have. All these people love community notes because they're entirely ineffective in

terms of limiting misinformation. Yeah, it's the best. It's important to understand that they love this system because it's pretending to address the problem of how they make money, but it's actually not doing anything. Literally, every post Alex puts up can be community noted. And the people who want to believe in will ignore each one. Prior restraint is a fun way for Vivek to describe being booted from Twitter, but it's not the same as having your ability to speak taken from you.

This is a group of adults, including one of the richest people in the world and a guy pretending to run for president, sitting around whining about how they used to have to worry about being suspended from Twitter. This is a fucking embarrassing look. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. If I was alive right now, I'd be like, oh, real embarrassing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If I was, if I was alive right now, I'd be like, oh, real embarrassing. Yeah. What would, what would our grandparents think of the political system working like this? I genuinely, I genuinely, 100% believe that we could go back in time, explain what's going on to Indiana, they would purely understand it instantly and then be like,

well, we got to kill all humans. That's what we got to do. We can't go down this road. Almost sapien must be destroyed. Neanderthal forever! Yep. Yep. Anyway, I will say that Elon Musk makes an interesting point in this next clip. Okay. About people who should maybe be booted from social media. Interesting. I mean, Alex said earlier, I mean, and this is not meant to be any kind of attack on George

Bush, but George Bush did say George was second did say that they were WMDs. Right. And he said it not once, but many times. And that is that was that was that there was he did not have sufficient evidence to make the to make that and a lot more deep People died as a consequence of that statement Exactly. I think Alex Jones has Incorrectly but Alex I think I think one other thing I just want to share with people is that I was actually just curious about this guy Alex Jones, you know, I never met him, but I happen to be in Texas. I visited the Southern border and, you know,

I popped in Austin on the way back or somewhere I forget where we were and I heard Alex Jones was, that's where he was. I said, I wanna meet this guy that everybody says, don't meet. And so we sat down and I was actually surprised. And we actually aired it on X or we, or I put out the clips of it on X.

I can't remember, in like a podcast format. And so I was expecting to get in a debate about the Hook thing and as soon as I opened up what I get is a guy apologized for being wrong and then we moved on and talked about something else. Oh wow. So in terms of what Elon was saying, fine, kick push off Twitter then. Yeah, I'm yeah, it's interesting that for these guys, the deaths in Iraq are the result of speech. Like somehow Bush saying that there were weapons of mass destruction was the underlying cause of their deaths. There were decisions made in actions taken

that led to the war and misleading the country about this was something that they used speech to do, but is a public figure lying against the First Amendment, the law of the land that he cares so much about? In a situation like this, they're perfectly able to take speech and then abstract it out to the consequences of actions taken related to that speech. Bush lied about weapons of mass destruction, which was a part of creating a larger public

support for the idea of going to war. The problem really isn't the speech itself, it's the results of it. The lie is bad, but the results are really what you care about, like all the dead civilians. Now let's expand this out to Alex's situation. He lied about families of murder victims being actors, and that their loved ones never existed or died. The speech itself there is bad, and I think they're all right thinking people would consider it distasteful, but the real problem is the results of that speech.

That speech was part of creating an environment where the victims were targets of harassment and receiving threats like having their children's graves desecrated and shit like that. Neither of these results were necessarily what the person were going for. Bush wasn't setting out specifically to kill civilians. He just didn't really care if that happened as a result of the thing he was intending to do. Alex didn't set out specifically to terrorize these families. He just didn't really care if that was the result of him doing the kind of coverage that he wanted to do. This should be a simple thing for Elon to grasp if he's

bringing this up to some kind of a free speech issue, and yet he remains a buffoon. Also to Vivek's point, Alex didn't apologize for being wrong when you talked to him. He lied about what he did, and then did the performance of a bad apology in order to defuse the situation and make sure you didn't explore the point anymore and realize that you were talking to a monster. Yeah. But whatever. I, I, I, so when Vivek brought up the great replacement theory, I mean, on the debate stage. Yeah, I was so, so disappointed because the funniest thing in the world could have happened Which is just one of them turning and looking at Vivek and just being like yeah, Burgham should have been standing there It would have been so fucking funny and it would have ended everybody's lives

We would all have like clapped and walked away from the United States into the oceans and returned to our dolphin brethren I believe that's what would have happened. You a duck guy? You a big duck guy? Yeah, that's what I was referencing. I want to, I want to make clear about something. I know nothing about Doug Berkham. Me neither.

I know nothing about him. Never even knew the name existed. Now that I do, he's gone. It's amazing. Yeah, he's gotten out of the GOP primary. I know nothing about him, but I have a pair of Lee made one too many jokes about supporting his kid. Sure. That sounds right. Yep. Yeah. Maybe next time. So Elon complains, forget him. I'm sorry. Yeah.. Elon complaints here a little bit about PR firms.

Okay. Just elaborate on the public relations firms, PR firms, which really should be called propaganda firms because that's literally, public relations is literally a propaganda word for propaganda. You can read the history of how public relations was developed. Edward Blinais. Correct. So the way that PR films actually corrupt the media is actually very significant way is that journalists are paid very little as journalists, but they can later retire and join a PR film and make a lot of money on the basis of the articles they've written in the past and their contacts at their publication. So it's actually a strong monetary incentive,

very strong, full corruption of the traditional media. Elon, it's so glad you said that, because people don't understand that's how these work, and I'm just now learning about that. The PR firms are so powerful. They're full of intelligence agency, former people. So just like a general will sign off on some bad weapon system, then he retires and gets on the major board of the defense contractor for five million a year.

It's a revolving door. And so that's why when these big PR firms snap, it's not a big jump. The media says how high and you're actually right. When it comes to fact checking, they're really one of the most nasty, deceptive groups out there. Yeah, they're propaganda firms.

We're just to make a lot more sense. If you just think PR firm equals propaganda, PR equals propaganda, that is literally what it means. And if you read the... I think you're dropping out Elon. Is he dropping out? Is he dropping out for anyone else? Yes, he's dropping out for me. Elon, you said...

Yeah, you just dropped out, Elon. I think you're back now. Oh, okay. Is your mic working? It's good now. It's good now. My mic is working, but I'm just dropped out you know, I think you're back now. Um, okay, you're my working. I This is good now. It's good now. Um, my mic is working But I'm gonna go on the other firm you're on the other firms equal propaganda Yes It's the public who should really understand that Public relations literally just means propaganda PR firm means propaganda and the PR firms

It have very strong control over the traditional media because that's where journalists go to retire and make tons of money. So there's a very strong, monetary incentive for journalists to do what the PR firms say because they know that that is where they're going to get rich in the future. Bingo. Bingo. So this is a complete insanity, but it makes sense for Elon to have this stance. He's been acting like an erratic asshole, posting all kinds of racist and anti-smotic

shit, associating with some of those bigoted accounts on his own website, and people notice. Because people notice there are articles about his behavior, and he needs to come up with a good excuse for why that is. It's not because his behavior is unacceptable and really scary considering his position, it's because PR firms are all propaganda outlets out to get him. Now I'll go with him halfway on this. Shit, I don't think the PR as an institution is a really great thing. I've always been averse to marketing and advertising in their entirety,

but what Elon's saying is fucking idiotic. Yeah. Also fun fact, when Elon took over Twitter, one of the things he did was to diminish the PR department. This was probably because that was the point of contact for journalists that they could contact the company and ask for comment on things like him letting all the Nazis back on the site. However, in time, Musk realized that he needed PR in order to run his company, so now he

just calls it, quote, business operations. Great. They even brought in Joe Benerock as the head of this effort. A guy whose previous jobs were director of Facebook, small business and international advertising, as well as the executive vice president of communications for NBC. Elon operates like a child. He makes a big mess and then Linda Yaccarino and the rest of the corporate PR that's not

called PR inside Twitter work like mad to clean it up and save the company from losing more money. He's like somebody who thinks doing laundry is a scam because someone else always does his laundry. Also journalists definitely aren't paid enough, but they don't just do the bidding of PR firms so they can get a job with them after they retire. I'd like to see any backing of this claim. And that's a conspiracy theory that belongs on info wars. Yeah, I mean, that makes... I get when you're like lobbyists or politicians who then, yeah, that makes, yeah.

Yeah, they're evolving, George, that makes the perfect. It's not quite analogous. I don't remember Woodward being like, oh, no, I'm a PR flag, but maybe he was. Actually, he probably was. I bet we were, it was a PR flag. But this also seems to imply that PR is not a profession of its own. I don't even know

what we're talking about, to be honest. Right. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, just sort of stuff that exists in Elon's brain. Yeah, that sounds right. So we got a question for Elon here. Elon, a question is more for Alex. And Alex, me and Alex were discussing it before he jumped on, is the pressure of any that you've faced since reinstating or since you said you'll reinstate Alex. Now Alex, you know, kind of referred to extreme scenarios where your life could be in danger because of what you're doing with X. I know you mentioned it briefly in one of the first spaces we had. You made a joke about, hey guys, it's something happens to me. I'll never commit suicide. But how much pressure have you faced in recent months?

Obviously, we've seen the back and forth with a few organizations that are trying to censor others. And has that increased since you reinstated Alex? I mean, at this point, I've reading the sort of legacy media is just depressing. I imagine so. I'm simply, once in a while, we'll go see like Google News or whatever,

or you know, Yahoo News or whatever, sometimes I'm running a thing. I'm like, I'll accidentally Google my name every five seconds for the rest of my life. The quality of the propaganda isn't even good. I look, if you're gonna do propaganda, at least make it entertaining.

And I find it's still boring. It's, you know, and just not even well-written. Well, that's right. They'll put out one thing and then they all paraded. It's a dog- Yeah, it's like lazy propaganda. It's like work harder. Hey, we've got Andrew here as well. Andrew, how are you? Oh, God. and you have a good and you're you're mic is it working you got a on your bottom left corner you hear me we can get a lot of good for and i'm in the middle of a poker game but since

this is the battle for humanity against the satanists and the matrix with its constant deception of the populace i thought i would jump in and say hello to everybody this is good stuff. Now the second tape brother has shown up. We have got two, two collections of shit at brothers. The crescent steens and the dates. Both tates have a symbol and S.

They sound exactly the same. That is insane. Went when I can't stop thinking about it. When Tristan was on earlier, I thought like that's Andrew. That that's how he sounds almost exactly the same. Yeah, I can't believe they both have the same symbol and S that's freaking me out. Well, maybe it's practiced.

That does seem fake, that would make sense. So I guess there's no real answer to whether or not Elon's life is in danger or there's pressure. You just took the opportunity to complain about how boring MSM propaganda is. Yeah, fine. Cool. Yeah, Fine. Cool. Yeah.

You know, it's just getting depressing, really. Reading all of the people point out how fucking stupid I am. Right. Yeah. That's probably the negative indications about my business and shit. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine it must be a little bit like going home every day to when my, you know, my mom would be like your dad's gonna be home after I did something wrong at school.

And just never not doing it. Just continuing to do it. What if you get on Google and your dad will be home soon. Yeah, I mean, it might as well be that. It really is. And he's just like, nah, I think I'll just keep doing the exact same shit. Fine. So Alex is pretty enthusiastically kissing Elon's ass throughout this. Your fourth Andrew, we had, we had the brother on earlier at Tristan, come on earlier, your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on next. I'd rather have thoughts on Elon must be in the biggest maverick of the last 500 years. I'm not kissing ass here, Elon.

You, I mean, you're, you've got big ones, man. On every front, you are literally overturning the entire power structure. I was just gonna say this one to Andrea then, but I just wanna say this while you're here. I mean, you are literally changing the entire paradigm and you've definitely got the system scared. And so everybody needs to support X. everybody's to support the sponsors on X

I personally am doing all my Christmas shopping this year with all the great gadgets and stuff that are on X This is this is a bit much. I know the kids are eating ass these days Jesus Christ I feel like Alex is I I mean, if anybody has familiarity with him, and listen to enough of him, hearing him be this subservient, should set off some alarm bells. It should be like, hey, Alex, fuck's wrong with you.

Why are you acting like this? You ever, there were these old, those old 90s strong man, ESPN World Strongest Man competitions. And back in the day, they stopped doing it for very obvious reasons. But back in the day, they used to do tug of war between two absurdly strong, like 400 pound men. And it just lasted forever and it was incredibly boring because they're absurdly strong, relatively equally.

They would need one of those guys to get Alex's nose out of Elon Musk's ass right now. Yeah, yeah, I was a long walk, but I got there. You did arrive at your destination. I sure did. So Andrew Tate finally does get around to answering this question that Alex so rudely interrupted to brown nose a little, but here we go. The purchase of a simple website has literally cracked the matrix in real time, and it becomes extremely difficult now to run the siops they were previously running

and enslave the populace, which is their primary goal. So Elon is a hero, absolutely. And the risks you are taking, Elon, I don't think many people at home actually understand the gravity of the risks you are taking because your ability to speak freely is heavily leveraged against your insignificance. You're only allowed to speak if nobody listens to you. And if you get big and people start listening, they're gonna come at you hard.

And I think I'm not completely versed, but from what I understand, Elon's already suffering the law, fair tactics, which they're gonna do, they're gonna keep pulling out the hat to try and slow him down or so. Oh, oh, Ed, let me interrupt before I forget. I won't give any attention. The same law firm that came after me with these PR firms. You've just dropped out. I think Alex. Is this just dropped out? Anyone else can you? Yeah, he got a call. Now you got a call. Yeah, go ahead. I like

there is a three-letter agency running this. Not all of the way. Just say it starts got a call. Now you got a call. Yeah, go ahead, Alex. There is a three letter agency running this. Not all of the way. Just say it starts with a C and it ends with an A. Sorry, still could be still could be C. Yeah. Might be the great talent agency. No, so when Alex is saying is that, you know, Mark Bankston is suing Elon over that.

So that's that's the connector tissue that Alex is making. He's trying to say that that's all being run by this PR firm out of New York. And this is a way of connecting his own plight to Elon's plight. And then making Elon more sympathetic to, oh, the way I'm being attacked is just like the way you're being attacked. Where we are one. Yeah. It's a way, it's a way to be even more convincing. Yeah. So yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I Yeah. So I, I, I, I, I I entertain freaks me out. Is that I saw, I've seen pictures of him. I really thought he, I've never, I, this, I think this is the

first time I've actually heard his voice. Maybe we might have covered a time that he was on Info Wars, like way in the past. Okay. Yeah, I just thought he would try and sound cooler. No, he doesn't need to because he sex traffics people. She see that's kind of but I thought that was just an organized crime. I know. I know that's the thing. I thought they I thought he was doing a whole thing. That's weird. Now the voice does not have to be. All right. So yeah, he also just got some news that he's not getting all of his shit back

from the Romanian government. He has to get his millions of dollars of things that were seized from him back and they're like, no, we're not gonna give them. Yeah, that's probably smart. So he's dealing with that. I don't know. I just, there's a part of me that feels like

this is all people whose identity surrounds like how important it is that they post on Twitter. And to me, I understand that using Twitter is an incredibly effective tool to scam people and to easily manipulate folks into your revenue streams. And I understand why that is so important to them. to easily manipulate folks into your revenue streams. And it's a con man's dream. And I understand that why that is so important to them, right? But pretending that it has some kind of a like you, Johnny Q public, the person on the street,

do your old voice is being taken away, it's, I don't know, it's just another level of the con. And it's bizarre to me to hear them take this so seriously. Yeah, it is like they're the levels of the con are is what's so fucking infuriating. Mm-hmm. Is that you're like, okay, finally, I've unraveled it, I'm out of this con and then, oh shit, it's just another part of it. Now I have to just be gone, you know, like I have to completely get rid of Twitter.

And then not just that, if you find out that's part of the other thing, and then Andrew Tate's watching you, you got to run. Everyone get off the grid. That's what I'm saying. Oh, no. Yep. It was off the grid. It's grid. Who?

Tristan Tate is waiting for you. I'm a damn it. So Alex makes a declaration of victory for Elon Boss. Sure. This is what happened. I'm a shut up. Someone here for me, but this is so historic. Elon Musk courage,

and it's true. I'm saying, as broken the back of the globalist, they'll never be able to turn this around again and let's have a nuclear war. We Elon Musk has broken their back. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess some people are afraid to die,

but I am not. Oh my God. Oof, oof, oof, oof. It's afraid to die, but I am not. Oh my God. Oof, oof, oof, oof. It's a bunch of dorks. Wow. There's a lot of talk about how none of these people are going to kill themselves. Like, Andrew Tates as a bunch, uh, Elon Musk brings it up. Yeah, I know.

It's all be like, we're about to be killed by the man. I understand you're not going to do that because people who like me are afraid of saying it out loud for various my reasons. So Elon discusses his ideas of how we need to colonize space. Sure. And you may notice his kid is making a bunch of noise in the background. Okay. So Elon, when are you going to get 100 arms the fire? But I really, when you talk about we need to create a plan B for humanity. Well, that's really the plan. It's not a time to, I mean, I think, I'm alternate, I'm alternate, I'm alternate,

master plan, because the global is for control right now. You're trying to rest control with us, helping. I mean, when are you gonna put out your battle plan or are you already putting it on a piece? No, I mean, what I'm saying is that actually, I think we should expand humanity, like basically we should have, face some more kids, you know, with population should increase. And we should become a multi-fantasticist and, you know, make life multi-fantasticist, but bold, a self-sustaining civilization on Mars.

Let's do that. And then ultimately, this will be long after I'm dead, probably, but they're almost certainly. We can go to other star systems and go out there. And I don't know, maybe we'll find some long dead alien civilizations. And I don't think we want to be one of those lame one planet civilizations that never got beyond its own planet.

I mean, we're going to, you know, you know, one of the aliens is going to think of that. We're going to make a good showing. Team human. Well, that's absolutely, absolutely, definitely, disappointment. But it's essential. And truthfully, it's so amazing. We'd even speak about these things. Only two years ago You couldn't even speak about these subjects, but it's so pertinently obvious that anyone who pays attention and What exactly does andr-tate alleged human trafficker think that we couldn't discuss two years ago? Yeah, does he think that rambling vague ideas about colonizing Mars is what drew sensors in?

I mean, there's a little bit much. Yeah, does he think that rambling vague ideas about colonizing Mars is what drew sensors in I mean, there's a little bit much Yeah, I mean great Talk about you want to put a colony on Mars great don't want to disappoint the aliens great So long as anyone is listening to Elon Musk We will as a species be long dead before Mars colonies are even a thought it does it does seem like that will probably Not help yeah, like let's colonize Mars, but let's also light Earth on Fire while we're doing. And in terms of like really trying to set up this, the way that we're going to colonize Mars, it's important that everyone's voice is heard.

So I'm going to get Laura Lumer, Jack Pasobick, a couple sex trafficking brothers and the christenstein brothers together and we're gonna really get to the bottom of this thing. You know what, Dan, you have made a very good accidental point. Those people need to be on a ship to Mars right away! I, I, here's my problem. If, if you send them to Mars? No, if, if it's successful and they establish a colony there, we've just given them a planet.

Uh, I gifted to them happily. I don't know if you have the authority. As King of Mars, I do. So they're all rambling about the globalists, and these globalists are mad. Sure. And so one of the christenstein brothers, I'm not sure which one, decides to pipe up and say,

what about it, not all globalists? Oh my God. And what are we doing? Yeah, it's a mess. You guys are all attacking the globalists, but if you ask a globalist, like I have friends who would, I would consider globalists.

You ask them, their ideologies are aligned that they believe that somebody living we're using code for Jews man. I don't know what you're doing. Who lives in America. And I know, you know, there's already a slave the third world and then it gets you to get a place.

That's not how everybody who you would categorize as a lot of useful idiot globalist. But globalist at the top are depopulationist. That's the world. So maybe if you want to look at the top, you can say globalist at the top. Some of them might have that view.

But if you just talk to an ordinary person who views themselves as a globalist, they're not saying, oh, I'm evil, they're not an evil person. They just have this belief that everybody, we're not talking to them. We don't care about them. We don't care about you.

I would call that an international. Code words. What are you doing? Globalist wants that an international. Code words. What are you doing? Globalists want one world government run by corporate. What are you doing? I mean, I think you can label them differently, but stop talking to somebody. Henry Kissinger was a globalist. The big new president, she was a globalist.

I'm not trying to be mean to you, but their number one rule is the earth is too small. We can't expand. We've got a bean count and put everybody on rations, we've got a social engineer and in the normal human program because humans are failed, and they want to turn us into factory farm humans, so is there a lot of survive. I'll answer the question. Sorry guys, if we can just say like some of these titles are a little confusing, if someone's

you've say someone's an internationalist or a globalist arbitrary effect almost made up You've some disambiguation to avoid saying what you actually want to say Did this someone have as an axiomatic belief that there are too many people on the earth or do they not? Do they have it? Do they believe that the earth can sustain the current population or do they think it cannot? Now the reality is earth can actually handle a human population Probably ten times larger than the current population.

Now, with you, very sparsely populated by humans, we only see density if we're in a desert of an environment like New York or Boston, London or something like that. But if you look at a good test, if you took a plane from LA to New York and you try to drop a bowling bowl and hit somebody, your chances of success are basically zero. You'd have to drop 10,000 bowling balls maybe. It's cute that one of the Crayston's team brothers decided to try to stick up for all the globalists out there, but unfortunately he doesn't understand the way terms are

used in the extreme right wing communities, where are the people he's talking to exist? These people are just batting around terms that have no consistent definitions. There's no point. No point. Blargh. Just say, yeah, it doesn't matter. We make sounds. We don't make words. We make sounds. Now, that's for Elon's point. He's an idiot. It is true that if you just go based on how much space there is in the world, we could sustain a much larger population than we have. We could have tens of billions if we just had urban population densities all over the place. But the carrying capacity of the planet involves a whole lot of other variables that is idiotic bowling ball test doesn't take into account. Just on a basic level, it's estimated that

you need about 2.5 acres of land to feed one person per year. There are some estimates that are lower and there are some that are higher depending on diet and how directly you're involved with farming, but this is a median estimate. There are only about 11 billion acres of arable land in the world that can be used for agriculture, so that's a pretty difficult hurdle to get passed in terms of this infinite population thing. I guess you could turn to innovations to try to find a way to feed people using less land, but you've seen the way that Alex and his idiot friends have responded to synthetic

meats and insect protein, which are efforts to do exactly what they would want. Even beyond the concern about feeding all the additional people Elon wants to create, you run into so many more issues like access to water. Climate change is exacerbating these problems as it diminishes the amount of arable land we have at our disposal and also cuts down on the amount of water that's available. These are real problems, and the people Alex hates so much are the ones who are trying to address the problem in a way that hurts the least people. Promotion of access to birth control and family planning is a giant way that this can be

challenged, but Alex acts like that's just an attempt to depopulate. Working to provide better access to general health care and raising the standard of living in the developing world is another way to reduce the amount of children people have because as you become more stable, you have less kids. You have the whole ton of kids when you expect half of them to die before the age of five and you need them to provide manual labor. That Alex is of course opposed to having vaccines and healthcare aid given to the developing world. These guys are absolute clowns. Their

entire premise is based around a failed understanding of a problem which they just aggressively decide isn't a problem because they don't want to get it. If you can drop a bowling ball and not hit somebody while flying over middle America, then the world isn't overpopulated. These are the thoughts of a child, but they aren't really different than Alex's whole thing about like Trump obviously winning the 2020 election because he had larger crowds at his rallies. This is all about making an argument by pointing to an optical point that isn't meaningful in order to obscure the actual data that would refute their point. And it's a, I don't know, it's a game for dollars. Yeah, yeah.

Very stupid. It is, it is just kind of heart breaking. Like to hear someone say that out loud and then pat themselves on the back. What if you drop a bowling ball and you hit the land that's needed to feed the people in the world? Does that count? Can you just toss a person there? It is, it is like you, I mean, you just genuinely have to sit and look at them and be like you're not serious people No, not at all. You need to have all power taken from you instantly. Yeah, because this is this is your threat I don't understand why like for all the bullshit I've heard from my stupid fucking government about what's dangerous I don't understand how Elon Musk is not considered a national security threat. I don't understand that at all

Yeah, assassinate that motherfucker. I don't got the CIA. That's what they're for. I don't know if that's the answer. That's obviously not the answer. You can destabilize a fucking South American country. You can murder Elon fucking Musk. It's not different. Uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna push back. I'm gonna hold back on this fine calls for a fine. I listened to CIA's murdered so many people while I'm alive I will do it for one that I want that doesn't make it right pay their salary and they have murdered so many people who are not on my List look here's the get what here's the situation. Yeah. No. No. No, it doesn't work that way. No just because they you know

The CIA has done bad things doesn't work that way. Just because they, you know, the CIA has done bad things, doesn't mean you get one. Okay. Doesn't mean you get that fine. The FBI murdered Fred Hampton. So they get to kill me on my same problem. Okay. Fine. Another bad thing doesn't make up for a past bad thing. I'm not asking it to make up for a past bad thing. I'm just saying if they're going to continue doing bad things, then there's one on the way that they could get. Take a little, hey man, look at that off the side of the road. I'm going to have to stop you. I understand what the fun you're having and all this, but I'm going to have to pump the brakes on this murder talk for the time being because we have more pressing things to deal with. Sorry. It was government mandated. So I wasn't being personal about it.

So one of the, uh, Christenstein brothers, uh, tries again to stand up for globalists. Sure. And then, and then, and then something incredibly shocking happens. Okay. You know, it's not black and white. You're not either a globalist or you're not. I think people fall in between and they have, there's different reasons for why people might feel one way,

about one You know, you could say globalist idea and another so I mean I don't like painting people like you know with a black and white pen because I feel that Everybody falls somewhere in the middle There are people that want a corporate world government whose aim is depopulation and not giving the general public access technology by lying about resources and literally saying carbon dioxide that plants breathe is evil and then telling us the world's gonna end in 2030 and the ice caps are all gonna melt and none of that's true so our children basically give up on the

future aside not to have children that's all I'm our children based on future side not to have children. That's all I'm saying. And Elon Musk is promoting an optimistic pro human future. The science that evidence shows is real and that we need. Gentlemen, I have to go. Yeah, I just want to be sort of exactly. I'm clear about my

position. I'm super pro human. And I mean old humans, you know, humans in America, humans in and. So I think got to say, I'm not a team. I never know. all humans, you know, humans in America say this. That's a healthy stream. I On you Vivek. I'm not good on you. I'm not I'm not positive. I even agree with that In my day. Oh my god someone who is running for president peeing on a live stream Accidental or not that might have been a big deal.

That might have been enough to be like, all right, come on. Wow. Yeah, wow. Deeply unseerious people. Very. Wow. Very. But did you, there is, there is like an image of like,

yeah, this is exactly what this is. Yes. It's like Alex Rambling, climate change denialism while the Vake peas. Yeah, I don't. That is what this is. That is that is one of those kind of found metaphors that can never be equaled or surpassed. No, it's just it doesn't get better than a presidential candidate accidentally leaving

his mic on while he's peeing as these fuckers listen to Alex Jones talk about nonsense. Yeah. That is, I mean, what do you say the zeitgeist? What do you say? Yeah. So earlier, uh, Mosque was very clear. This is not going to turn into an interview. This isn't for you to interview me.

Sure. And, uh, of course, it does turn into that. Naturally. And Alex just decides he's going to interview a mosque. Great. Elon, go ahead, Alex. Elon, way more interesting. And I just asked one question of Elon. Elon, it's great having you here in Texas, you're kicking ass, you're your Texas thrown through your whole spare at we love you. Whatever happens with Trump down the road, should we change the Constitution so you can run for president? What do you ever think about that?

I would like to say as a technologist and build rockets and electric cars and things that technologies that hopefully have a good effect on the world and advanced civilization, that would be my preference. I would not like to be president. So that would, I would, I would just like to have less power than he does now. For the civilization. That's smart answer. Smart answer. Why do you ask that? Hey, Elon, should we change the constitution so you can be president?

I mean, it is, it is like, hey, Elon, do you need a ball massager right now? Oh, yeah, I'm available. And, and, and why I'm doing that? Yeah. Is there, can you give us a scoop? Can you give us a scoop, Elon? No, just keep my rubbing, you balls. I know you've talked about incredible jets.

You want to invent some other things. Is there any other big invention you've got on the drawing board, the back of your mind that you have an announce the world that you want to tell people about today? Ha, ha, no. This would not be the forum for announcing any new products or technologies.

Yeah, I'm not gonna say that on this dumb space. I would use my PR apparatus for that Yeah, but it is really cute. I was like oh, you have any new inventions But I mean, I guess that is the image that they still project on to him is that like Iron Man image Yeah, that's what that that's what you've been in the lab. You have anything crazy to report. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what keeps them going. The idea that he's actually geniusing. Yeah, I suppose to being a fucking idiot. Yeah, and retweeting biggest and sake concerning. He's talking to you. Iron Man does not talk to you. No, Iron Man's not going to

do a podcast with Jay Jonah Jameson. No, not going to happen. So Elon does have a technology that he does want to talk about. Sure. And that is his brain chip. Oh, right. He talks about this a little bit, the neuro link. Yeah. And Alex really shouldn't be on board with this. No, he should really love a private ultra-powerful, unaccountable billionaire putting a computer chip inside your skull. But he is actually in favor of, he's thrilled. We do have, you know, the neural link check, which I know some people might be concerned about, but that's really something that will take a very long time to, you know, be in any kind of

widespread use. We've got the first use, the first patient will get a neural link chip. This is a quadriplegic and it will enable them to control their computer and their phone. And then, you know, Uncle was in a motorcycle accident and he was having seizures for about to die. Couldn't even walk. He got one, it's not one of your brain chips, but a brain chip. Yeah, yeah. And actually, he can walk and talk and it's happy now. So, well, that's not bad. Exactly. So, I mean, the regulatory stuff on this is very intense.

So, the first one we'll have, you know, you could think of it sort of like a telepathy. You can sort of control your computer and phone just by thinking. So, it's kind of like telepathy. And then the, the, the, the, the kind of like that would be my car is trying to bring something in for it. But you can think of it like blind sight. Even as long as the eyes or lost the optic nerve,

the whole thing is completely blind. It's kind of like how all the other stuff doesn't work either. Give them some amount of like Twitter. Full of shit. I think high high resolution sight, kind of like Jordi LeForge from Star Trek. other stuff doesn't work either. Give them some amount of, like Twitter. Full of shit. I think high resolution side, kind of like Jordy LaForge from Sartre. You could actually see in multiple wavelengths.

You could see like ultraviolet and infrared. You're gonna bring Jordy LaForge into the world. You would have to be a stupid billionaire or somebody who thinks Alex is not an idiot to listen to that and be like, oh, he's not lying. Mm-hmm. You would have to have no context of anything he's ever done. Yeah.

In order to be like really wowed by, like this is gonna work really well. And I wanna say another thing too, like I'm not sure I'm perfectly in sync with the general population as a whole. Sure. But I can't imagine how little I want a brain chip to telepathically communicate with my computer.

Sure. That is a problem I don't need solved. Right. A mouse works. Not just that. And I mean, yeah, 100% totally agree with you on that front. But the idea of that being something that will work for any length of time to justify allowing that man anywhere near my head is absurd.

I can't filter intrusive thoughts because I could imagine myself buying a lot of stuff on Amazon telepathically, I can only... Yeah, I mean, there's just, there's no way for that not to be a dumb idea in any kind of practice. It's such a fun idea in a science fiction story. And if you think that science fiction, because you're a billionaire, is anything you want it to be, then sure, you can lie to people like that and say bullshit like that, but in reality, that's never going to happen.

I would say the odds are low. Yeah. So Alex has taken over this whole ship, basically, and turned it into an interview with Musk, and he's bringing his buddies in. Great. I was probably trademarks thing, but I think blindside is a cool name for it. It's like, you know, people, yeah. Let me get one question from Mark Dys, because this is the best interview ever.

Mark Dys is a great journalist. He stood up for me the last five years when nobody else would mark a quick question from Mark Dyson, this is a bit center of you ever. Mark Dyson is a great journalist. He stood up for me for the last five years when nobody else would mark quick question from Mark, please. A comment's really just to. I hate you. That's my comment. Listening to all the journalists and thank you, by the way, Elon, for on mute, for unbanging Alex for. I hate you. For the plot so much. Hey, Elon, you're here and bring Mark Dyson here to ask you a question. Chase Geyser is going to come in and ask you a quick. Chase Geyser doesn't come in and ask.

Oh, that was, I was joking. I would have been great. However, this actually is not somebody that Alex is just bringing into the proceedings. He's been around since the beginning. Okay. But Jackson Hinkle decides to make an appearance and ask a pro-Russia question, of course. Sure. You want to have a quick quick quick question. tweeted about the imprisonment of the American Chalene Gonzalo Lira in in Horkiv, Ukraine yesterday.

I'm curious if that imprisonment of an American for speaking his mind on YouTube and X an American for speaking his mind on YouTube and X as cause you to consider further support for Ukraine. I'll be it through Starlink or other means and also unrelated to that. Can you provide any updates about Starlink for Gaza? Yeah. I mean, I generally think, look, I understand that if somebody, if an American citizen is in another country and violates that country's laws or what those countries laws, even if their actions would not violate the laws in the United States, that that person would then be put in prison.

But in the case of Ukraine, the United States is providing a vast amount of aid to Ukraine. And the United States government has an obligation to protect its citizens. And so I think, even if one disagrees with what, you know, that I guess, YouTuber or journalist depending on your perspective, what they posted, I feel uncomfortable sending massive aid to Ukraine if they're putting American citizens in jail for doing videos on YouTube. Sure. That's not cool. Yeah. And it's like, and it could say like, okay, well, yeah, that's not cool. Hey, bros. In their country. It's like, yeah, but they don't have a right to our money as well. So it's like, they don't have a to support if you give you money in prison and

the country. That's right. Look, look, look, I have a dog in the fight. Rush Ukraine. It's an old ancient fight when the two countries just went on for a dog. An ancient fight. It's a Slavic civil war. The dog of man.

Ukraine is arresting the Orthodox Church. Ukraine, even the mayor of Kiev, has said, the Linthes he's becoming a dictator. So all I'm saying is this black hole we're feuding hundreds of billions into, we should at least be able to debate it. And if an American journalist is critical, he doesn't deserve to be put to gulag. That's very dangerous. I agree, Elon. So this isn't a matter of Ukraine arresting a journalist who is just critical of the government This is a person actively supporting Putin's war effort against Ukraine inside Ukraine. Oh, that's tough

In Ukraine as is the case in many places you're not allowed to engage in wartime propaganda for the country that's invading you That's usually a good idea. Yeah, if you choose to do so you're gonna be considered part of the opposing side And you can't really be too surprised when you get arrested. It's even more glaring when you consider that this guy, he's also accused of spreading information about Ukrainian military movements on social media, which could constitute providing material aid to the anime. Yeah, that gets you. So that's beyond journalism or any of that stuff.

I get, that makes sense. If you're a Russian soldier and you go into Kiev and you're like, Hey, listen, I'm a Russian soldier. I'm totally gonna kill you guys, but I don't have a gun right now. I'm not doing anything. I'm just gonna be vacation. Right. Just hanging out. No big deal. I'll go back to killing you when I go back to Russian. Or I'm just, I don't have a gun or anything. I'm just doing some sort of like information reconnaissance type stuff. I think it would be reasonable if I go excuse me

Sir, I'm gonna have to detain you until the end of the war sure now Elon introduces an interesting thought Which is that if we give a country money our citizens should be immune from being arrested by that country that is an interesting Thought this is obviously stupid, but I've really been trying to come up with a better way to understand his point And this is about as generous as I can be no, that's really what he said listen We gave you a lot of money, so why can't this American citizen kick babies in the face? Or subvert your war effort against the country that's invading you.

Sure. Very weird. Yeah. So we get another weirdo in the mix. Sure. Matt Gaetz. Great. Representative Matt Gaetz.

Oh my God. Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on the platform. I think it's great. Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking representative Matt Gates. Your thoughts on Alex Jones being back on the platform? I think it's great. Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking from policymakers and broad audiences. And of course, there are things that I'm going to say that would offend people, things that Alex would say that would offend people, but I think they'll just have to be offended.

I think it enriches the discussion that Alex back. Yeah, it does. It doesn't. Actually, I, it doesn't at all. Um, nope. Nope. Also Matt Gaetz, maybe back under investigation for sex crimes by the House ethics committee.

So, uh, that story, still unfolding. Man, man. Yeah. It is very difficult to listen to this. Yeah, it is. It is. It is. It was, it. Yep. It is very difficult to listen to this. Yeah, it is. It is. It is. It was, it was dragging.

It is. It is very difficult to have. I mean, you called for the government to assassinate Musk. That's how, that's how tough this is for you to listen to him. I mean, I would have done that before we started this. Well, I don't like hearing all these people say nice things to Alex where he can hear you. But it is such an interesting collection of awful people that are all coming around to, like this is a, this is your life.

It is, I know, I would, it is like 100% bad. It is hell, it is hellish. Yeah. It is, if you are fucking a duke in fucking hell, this is a great day for you. I, I, I don't think I have any respect for anybody who is on this panel. I can't imagine not throwing hands upon first sight. It's so bizarre, and that I made it's not bizarre at all,

that there couldn't be anybody who isn't a shithead who they got on this to talk. No one. Remarkable. No, throw hands on all day Elon has an interesting it's not really interesting it just rhymes sure he has a philosophy of curiosity oh my god I would say I would say I have a philosophy of curiosity which is doesn't have you know trying to try to write more about the

nature of the universe and I'll place in it. And that's why I studied physics, not for career reasons, just to try to understand how the universe actually works and what has good predictive value. And physics has got very good predictive value. So that's why I studied it. Then give us your predictive value. Gut level, Elon Musk. The I mean, this is like beyond any Hollywood movie where we're right right now.

Does humanity survive gut level? You've got all these great children. That means you bet on humanity. Do we make the next level? And what is the next level? Got all the shitty children though. So 50 50. shitty children though, so 50-50. You don't you there? Yeah. Like, I gotta say, listening to this also had a hilarious thing because they keep talking about how great the space

is platform is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the owner of the site keeps cutting out. Yeah. And other people are cutting out too. It's not really as remarkable as they they seem to be saying yeah so Yeah, that's always that's always one of those weird ones where it's like if you're of all the things that people do where it's like

The CEO is given way too much attention or anything like that for me It's just like if you're going out and demonstrating the thing you do Be the best at that thing if you're going to be out there doing it. You should. You should instead his call drops, but repeatedly. I mean, that's, I would be like, I'm really mad at the crew right now. We're not going to be done. Yeah. He has no real prediction for the future or anything. He just says you have to do things to make the future. Wow. That's deep. It is. So you get another person who jumps in and it's the host of a podcast called the All-in podcast. Uh-huh. Don't know what that is. No idea. I'm all out. But he has a question for Alex. Okay. That is getting back to Sandy Hook stuff. Great. And nobody likes that

he's asking. Yeah, of course not. Jason, a quick question to you first. Would you have Alex Jones on the All in Podcast? Sorry to put you on the spot. Well, I have them here now. So would it be okay if I ask him a three question? Yeah, but Elon's far more fascinating. Please ask Elon questions. Jason.

Well, Alex, my first question for you is, I'm curious if you'd be willing to answer three questions about the Sandy Hook parents. Oh, great. Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Well, I mean, you now have your freedom of speech and you're here. So I think a lot of people are wondering what theory or evidence led you to believe that that was a fake staged

situation. He's already answered these questions. Yeah, every time we hear him, he's the first time in the system. He's already answered this like 40 minutes ago. I'm saying it is, we don't actually care. Everything I say is Mr. Representative, you'll say I'm saying it again.

I believe it happened and I'm sorry and I apologize and I'm done Okay, okay, so Alex can't get specific with that sounding like a complete idiot So his go-to response is always to pretend like he's already discussed the incorrect things He's believed in the past and if he does it if he does it again People would just accuse him of still believing those things. It's a coward's move But it's super effective as a dodge that people who aren't really curious are just gonna accept. You notice here how everybody got super defensive

on Alex's behalf, Thiefen, like I think it was Jack Pasobic, jumping in before Alex even answers. And that's kind of because they know that any further examination of Alex's actual record will reveal that what he's been saying to Musk this whole time is a lie. Alex's story for Musk is a constructed reality

that all these right wing scam folk have just agreed to accept as real, but deep down they know it's not true. The guy coming in and asking this question is kind of threatening to ruin their fun and poke holes in their illusion. I don't know what the all-in podcast is or who this guy is, but you can tell that even before he asks the question,

the panel is not excited for him to ask questions. No, I mean, it is very much them being like, buddy, we got that out of the way. Right. We never have to talk about it. We did the satisfactory lie in order to cover our ass. Stop it. Yep. Yep. It's done. And Mosk even kind of feels like he has a similar perspective. Right. Yeah, Jason, I should say that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the San Diego issue was the first thing I raised with with Alex. He did answer it at length at the beginning of this Spaces the conversation

So I think you may not have heard the I didn't hear the start of it. I was alerted to this at the towards the end I'm not coming in with a degree of disagree with his answer, but it was the very first thing that I asked when I got on this space's conversation, just as it was the first thing that you asked, I think it's for people that care about whether there's sort of empathy and whether somebody has been cruel or me or something. That's like the first thing they're going to ask about. And so that was the first thing I asked about.

And it was answered when somebody can agree with that answer or not. No matter how many times I answer it, it's never good enough. Because I'm that guy. I'm not what they said. I covered the internet questioning it. I've already said I'm sorry over 500 times. It's three or four times today, but it's always the same question. I'm not that guy. I wanted to say the name of it. Yeah, because they're not answering the question, then you're dodging your responsibility, and you're

not actually apologizing. That's why the question keeps coming up. Yep. There's an easy way to deal with this, and that's just sincerity, and actually, like, wrestling with the issue, but it's too dangerous. It's too vulnerable for his position as the God-profit, or whatever the fuck they're trying to brand him as now. And Elon Musk, I mean, like, this whole bullshit

of he answered the question, and I don't know, you know, you can agree with them or disagree with him If you disagree with him continuing this call is a monstrous act So we know that you agree with him. Yeah, you accepted the version of the story that he told you otherwise you wouldn't be having how You wouldn't be continuing this call so cut it out with He would be off Twitter right now. Maybe yeah, is it against the law to lie to a CEO or a man who owns a business? I fucking hate these people so much. So Elon Musk is suing media matters.

And so this is discussed a little bit. What? And then he leaves the call. Okay. Perfect timing. Elon maybe you can also give us an update if there is any on media, Jim, how does it do them? Yeah, medium matters is an evil propaganda machine. So I just generally am against evil propaganda machines.

And so we are seeing them in every country that they operate. And we will pursue not just the organization, but anyone finding that organization. I want to be quick about that. Anyone on the So tough. We will pursue them. I'm so strong.

So I've got big muscles. Medium matters. There's an evil propaganda machine. Unlike Info Wars. I mean, get the fuck out here. I hope they do. So based. Based.

Yeah. Um. Base. Base. Yeah. Um. Many. So say, I actually, I need to, I should, you know, just, uh, step over the call at this point. Um, so I just have some family obligations. Um, but, uh, I think it's been certainly a very interesting conversation. I suspect this will go viral. Probably snippets of it will go viral in a way that don't entirely represent the situation. I wasn't paying anyone who

read about it or hears about it. Actually, it takes the time to listen to the entire space's conversation. I did. And it's actually probably less interesting than the version we've presented. Yeah. Because it's long. And boring. Yeah. But yeah, I imagine there are things that are going to go viral. And I love that Elon is already getting into this game that all these people play, which

is the preemptive prediction of their own, like we're gonna be lied about. Which is basically just doing preemptive damage control when people discuss the fucked up things that you said. You'd be like, oh, yeah, of course they were gonna take me out of context when they commented on the thing I said. Yeah, I mean, it is an exercise in building an impenetrable wall.

It is that exercise of not only will I never engage with what I'm saying. Not only won't I engage with the criticism of what I'm saying, I won't even engage with what I'm saying. I'm not even going to take responsibility for it two seconds after this call is over. I'm going to say that I said whatever it is that I felt like I wanted to say, now, right. And then in an hour from now, I'm going to say whatever I felt like I wanted to say an hour from now. My, what I said does not mean anything.

Particularly if it's criticizingable and indefensible. Yes. Then I will, I never said any of that stuff. I never said any of that. And I've apologized a hundred times. And no matter what. And I didn't say it. I will not change my behavior one bit.

Why would I? This is profitable. Any conversation with me is useless and a waste of everyone's time. Quite. Yep. Quite. So yeah, Elon leaves and then the call basically just ask and then everybody's like, oh, okay The first person to leave the party usually ends up party. Well, but also the first person to leave

You know, well, I mean if it's someone that no one likes then the party gets better Well, yeah, if you know one person leaves and then the party's over that means that they they were the reason They were the high status person there. Yeah, yeah's interesting because, you know, he wasn't even part of the conversation for the first chunk of it. Right. It was Alex's back on on Twitter. Sure. We're getting shitheads like Pasobic and Lumer to talk about it and all this. That was the name of the game. Yeah. And then Elon Musk shows up and it's all Musk, baby and Alex trying to interview him all this all this shit To the point where he he took power over the entire the thing. Yeah Well, I mean it makes sense. It's hard not to it's hard not to do that. He owns the website

Well, not just not just that, but I mean like for these people Not just that, but I mean, like, for these people, they're on the grift side of things. And that means that they're always looking up, you know? Right. Elon is somebody who has agency, which is something that like, what, you know, a thousand people on this planet truly have where it is he can just be like,

I don't like this thing, I will make it end. You know, that is the thing he can do that most of them, all of us can't do. Yeah, and I think that element is there with all of these people that realize that their existence is at the whim of Musk. Exactly. Because for all the talk about free speech and all of this, like, we'll follow the laws,

they kind of know that if they run a foul of him. We'll do whatever Elon says. And then we'll apologize like a little baby if he says, if he's mad at us, we'll go, I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I like how it is. Yeah, it's pathetic. It is, yeah.

It is, it's a grim look. And I mean, I can't stress enough. What a roster this is. I would like the people who call themselves the Crasenstein brothers to like look in the mirror and just figure out what the fuck just happened. Cause if you wind up there, I don't even, I don't, shit went bad.

What I know about you is bad. Yeah. But if you wound up there doing that, it's all, it's way worse. You're there as the sort of token, presumably person who's on the left with the part of the right wing scamming media ecosystem. You have to know, first of all, things went wrong.

Yeah. Second, yeah, Carville, come on now, Cajun, how you doing? Second, they recognize that you're part of the same grip. Yeah. The only reason that you're allowed there is that they recognize that you're part of the same grift. The only reason that you're allowed there is that they recognize that whatever you're bringing to the table is not a threat and it's kind of a joke to them. We can argue about politics because the true rule number one is don't fuck with the grift.

Yes. And that is what you will follow. Yeah, so congratulations on that. Yeah, good work, Crescent Seens. Anyway, this sucked. I hated doing it. And I imagine there might be more Twitter spaces in the future that Alex does.

And I don't need him to do more shit that way he just says the same things. Yeah, yeah. But we'll find out what happens in the future as his Twitter adventure continues. But until then we have a website. And did we do it, SaladSci.com? Yeah, we're also on Twitter.

We are. Well, maybe not for long. Well, knowledge fight.com. Yeah, we're also on Twitter. We are Well, well, maybe maybe not for long. Well, yeah, not for long but we're there for now. We're at knowledge underscore fight. Yep, sigh. Blue Sky. Maybe make a move over there. Yeah, about time. But hey, we'll be back. But until then I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. Dan does not support the comments made by uh Jordan on this episode about compartmental assassinations. Yes. Woo yeah!

Woo yeah! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Chanzo cheer on the earth thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm the first time coloring my huge fan. I love your work. I love you.