Knowledge Fight - #880: March 31, 2004

Episode Date: December 25, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take a trip to the past to take in the episode where Alex spoke to Libertarian political hopeful, alleged friend of someone who claimed to be a relative of the Rockefellers, and former showbiz player Aaron Russo for the first time.

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Yes, wow it has been and One of the things that I'm thrilled to report is that I am still on the wall Scanning the wall for all the pictures and the time that I had the level six Spicy you only have to do level five to get on the wall, but I did level six. Of course. No big deal. Obviously. Well, you'd already done level five. It's still up there. Still up there. It's been so long. It's still up there. It's been almost a decade, hasn't it? Probably. Yeah. And that brings me to my next point. Sure. And that is that it was a humbling experience Okay, because I got hot and you know, there's not even extra hot. No, that's not even one and

I Could I could I could get by yeah, but it was it was it was a much more intense experience than I then I remember it used to being and Really really hurt my stomach cool. I believe it. I believe it it. So yeah, I'm not the man that I once was. It's up to the old stuff. It is, yeah, and you know, a little trip to know that my name still rings out on the street. It is nice. It is nice.

But also that I can't hang anymore. Well, I mean, nobody's expected a holy field to keep fighting. See, that's how old I am. That reference is old. Sure. So what about you with your bright spot? My bright spot is, I don't know if you can see this.

The shirt that I am wearing is a pullover hoodie, Dan. The greatest kind of shirt. Sure. I love a pullover hoodie. Okay. And I am outfit in them. My wife, it's pretty good. It's pretty good.

It's a hoodie but a shirt. Yeah, it's a hoodie but a shirt, but it's my, I just love it. Okay. It's am outfit in them. My wife is pretty, but a shirt. Yeah, it's a hoodie, but a shirt, but it's my, I just love it. Okay. It's this type of shirt, then there's three-quarter length baseball shirt. Yeah. And then there's, no, that's it.

Those are the only two types of shirt that are good. Mm-hmm. And so, yeah, for the holidays, my wife essentially dressed me. It's a back to school holiday for me. I got a shirt, I got socks, I got underwear, I mean, I'm covered, right? So that's my bright spot, because she found these, which are the only shirts that I like.

Well, that's very sweet. Yes, it is very sweet. I'm glad you two are having a nice holiday. It is quite nice. As we are recording this, it is Christmas Eve Day. Indeed. You know, there's something about not taking holidays off that weirdly I've always liked. I know.

But you know, I used to work at a movie theater. Right. And it was always like people wanted the holidays off. Yeah. And I always felt like, no, I have work. And I think part of it was me and my buddy, Dr. Gums, got stuck working a Christmas shift at one time. And we had a blast, had a blast working at the movie theater,

almost nobody coming in on that Christmas Eve and just dicking around. And I think that maybe seared in my mind, a love of working on holidays. I mean, I've always appreciated working on holidays because I like ticking off when everybody else is working. You know, like, I love a good, oh, I'll work on Christmas and then for the next week,

you know, everybody else goes back to work and they're like, I know. So yeah, I'm with you. And I think I also, then another part of it was the, like it didn't feel like that grade of an inconvenience to me, but it felt like such a favor to the people who want it off. Sure. You know, and so like that, that felt like I could do a little and it feels like a lot to them. Right. Yeah. And I, yeah, that's it. I mean, I think there's also the the everything that people associate with the holidays is stuff

that you and I don't particularly care for. True. So that makes it a lot easier for us to not care about the holidays. That's what I'm saying. It's a little. I'm only sacrificing a little. Really not sacrificing much at all. So we have an episode to go over.

Indie. And I decided we would be in the past. Hey. So we're going to be talking about March 31st. The first. The first. Indeed. And we do get visited by a ghost. That's amazing. And that I mean that there's a guy who died in 2007, who's on the answer today. Okay. And it's actually I would say a landmark episode in Alex's career.

Interesting. And so we're going to go over that in a moment. But first, let's say hello to some new walls. That's a great idea. So first, let's say hello to some new walls. That's a great idea. So first, Dan, two Sautomites from Columbia, Missouri, have been looking to contact you regarding a personal loan on a bucket of poop. Thank you so much, you're an out-boss, you aren't. I'm a policy-want.

Thank you very much. She's curious. I don't know. I like the loan. Do I know these people? Nope, from Columbia. I'd buy doubt it. Okay, I don't want to bucket a poop anyway

Next my sister Abby is listening to this shout out and I wanted to know that her cat is a bitch Thank you so much. You're now pals who aren't I'm a policy Thank you very much. I guess I didn't read the end. Okay We've also tried sometimes you just copy a base and you don't really yeah That'll happen next Kayla pronounced Kayla nailed it definitely crushed the LSAT on Wednesday. Thank you so much you're now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much And take the earbuds off Lou. I've probably been calling for you from the other room for the last five minutes Thank you so much you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

Thank you very much, and we had a couple of Tick-Tick-Tacks in the. So first, Dr. Nanner's PhD. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa Tick-Tak-Krite. And my roommates grandfather served under John Birch in China. Thank you so much. You are now a Tick-Tak-Krite. I'm a policy one. For start, go home, get in my tent, tell it your brilliant. Someone, someone, satamite sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

Jar Jar Banks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't wanna hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. I'd be interested in talking to this roommate's, and I don't care about John Perch, I mean, no, is he? I guess it is interesting the way

that the John Perch Society has corrupted his image or co-opted it so intensely, I don't know that's not my battle Yeah, it would be I mean in a sense what you really want to talk to is like count Chocula because that's what John Birch they turned into you know like a mascot I also have some things I'd like to get straightened out with count Chocula Wow, what is he doing with that boob air where is the fruit broot Where are you hiding the fruit broot? Wait, what's the fruit broot? It was like a King Kong type mascot for a cereal. Get the fuck out of here.

It was part of the monster's rotation. I think it still might be. There was boobery, I'm chocolate. Yeah, Frankenberry. Frankenberry. Yeah. And then the fruit broot? The fruit broot.

Not really eat that. Yeah. He was included in that, I famously, if you recall, found a box of cereal that was like the monster mash. It was all of them. Right. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

They did the song. I did find that in June, I believe, of one year, which leads me to believe it was very old. Yeah. Yeah. Still good. Still good. So the beginning of this episode is not very eventful. Nothing is really going on.

But the reason that I believe that this is what we might call a landmark episode, an Alex's career, is that he has a guest, who died in 2007, who is on the show for the first time. Okay. And this is Aaron Russo. Okay. He's the guy who made America freedom to

fascism. Right. He's a big part of Alex's, a lot of his conspiracy stuff. Is he related to the Russo brothers who do the Captain America movies? I don't think so, but he was involved in show business. See? I don't know. I don't think he is. Okay. But his career in his life is incredibly fascinating. We've talked about him a little bit. We'll talk about him some more. But this is the first time that the two of them have ever interacted. Interesting.

So this is their origin story. And so the first time. I kept it American. Yeah. Yeah. We're so brother. So the first hour of the show, I would say, is not really all that interesting kind of filling time.

And then at the beginning of the second hour, Aaron Russo shows up and Alex introduces him with a long list of credits. He knows all about the new world order and we're honored to have him on and also the network, it's been on a bunch of the shows, the network sends out some of his presidential material or free if you want to call and get any of that, but Mr. Russo, rusa which could have you on the show hey thank you for the bill for those that don't know who you are tell us a little about yourself

and then we'll go to break and come back and just jump in all the news and get your take on it sure all right let's see i don't know where to start let's see uh... nineteen years old i uh... i was the ladies lingerie business i designed the first ladies bikini panties for all everybody I have to interested in that. I've been when I was 20. I opened the nightclub in Chicago and put on big name rock and roll shows with Led Zeppelin the who grateful dead. I don't tear

if this is true. I promote it in the 60s and Chicago in Detroit and then I ran to Bett Middler and I started managing that middle and I produced the one called the Rose and the movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy and then Acroix and I've received six Academy Ward nominations and an Emmy for TV show I did with Dustin Hoffman and Golden Globe nomination. All the way out.

This is true. Applicance. Thank you very much that's funny i was told that was like you know the most important thing i've done but most people yelling scream cheer when i put my i brought that one to america ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha panty or whatever. But his family is in the garment business. Okay. And so when he was younger, he did work with them. So it is possible that he might have created something. So I don't know about this though. Do all of these detail or do all of these things have a kernel of possible

trees within them. A lot of them are fairly true. Okay. See? Like he did, he was one of the producers on trading places. Great. He did date Bet Middler for a little while. Makes me what sense is that it's- Was her manager for a lot longer than that? Why not? But yeah, he's a fascinating weirdo. And now he's running for the Libertarian ticket for the nomination for the presidency in 2004.

Here's what I like about this guy. Here's what I like about this guy. All right. We've, this is like when you watch a documentary on say Beth Midler, you know, you hear, you see Beth Midler's life, you see the important elements of her life. And then you have like the dark section where she's got a manager who's probably a piece of shit. Oh, yeah. Right. And so, so she has to overcome this problem. And so the manager has his section and then is gone from the world.

Right. Now we we're we're like Oh who the fuck is that man there get out of here lady let's follow creepy weirdo around that's that's where the info war is That's where we're going okay, but it is interesting because I think if you Look into the history of their relationship in the way it went he was a massive part of like her rise. Amazing. Well, and you know, you can take from whoever you want to listen to. Sure. Like, what was his input, what was her input, what was just the natural byproduct of her undeniable talent?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, there are open questions, but he was her manager during the period where she went from, it means she appeared on a Carson before he was her manager. Right. But in terms of like becoming a mega star, that was during the time that he was her manager. Wow. So he at least didn't fuck it up.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I think, but then it also was very dark. I think, I think, and I think this might be the case for real people like the world, you know, I think but then it also was very dark. I think I think and I think this might be the case for real people Like the world, you know life is life is too short You know we got a stuff it, you know, but for people like this guy. It's too long You know you get your section where you're kicking ass and then all the sudden shit goes down and you're on info wars Runs for libertarian

Too long run it for Libya too long. Yeah, but I do you know you're saying info wars. Runs for libertarians. Too long, run it for Libya. Too long. But I do, you know what you like about this guy. One of the things that I like is how Blasey he is, but all these credits. He just feels like. He's delivering them as if it's a boring list of things. Yeah, it's thanks Academy Award nominations up my butt. Don't care.

I don't know about that. Yeah. But I do think that if there were Academy Award nominations, they weren't for him. Yeah. Maybe they were related to the films that he was on, but it mean like the Rose and Trading Places, I think are the only actually big movies that he's even associated with. I mean, the other ones are like trash, no one remembers. Sure, sure, but I mean Robert Evans, you know, he's still remembered, and he wasn't associated with that many movies, but they were huge. They weren't huge. So in 1968,

Aaron Russo opened the kinetic playground here in Chicago, which is a fairly short-lived venue, but one that was a regular stop for the sort of bands that he's listing off. For my understanding of it, it would be a huge stretch to say that he was responsible for bringing a band like Led Zeppelin to the US. Sure. That his venue was part of the circuit that Rock Acts of the 1960s, the late 60s would go on. And it was usually their Chicago show. Man.

So if you look over the, someone compiled a list of like the hand bills and the, the, the acts that were at the kinetic playground. Yeah. And it's fucking insane. It is it. Yes. Jesus. It mean you got like all these bands that you remember and then a bunch of like the fuck is this? Yeah, but yeah, you had fog hat. Sure had Blood sweat and tears. Janice Joplin Jefferson Starship or Jefferson airplane at the time. Uh, who?

The Led Zeppelin just it's it's nuts. not grateful that played there like it's what seemed like fairly regularly yet this i mean again this is another is a lot of underground he's another guy in the movie now he's a different guy in the movie now that now you're watching the leds up and so are watching that we're watching their birth there though they're slow rise to the top you watch in their whirlwind tours around as the fame grows around them, they stop at these different places and what's that? It's a creepy weirdo. Screw you, Led Zeppelin, we're done with you.

Yeah. Let's follow the creepy weirdo. Yeah. And so I just, obviously, you know, lived a life. Yeah, oh, total. But I do think he's overstating some of this. Sure. You know, like there is a sincere resume that's pretty neat.

Yeah, here, but I think there's a grandiosity and a blurring of fact, see, that might be indicative of how this guy rolls. Now we're in the movie about a creepy weirdo. Mm-hmm. Nothing's true. So at a certain point, he pivoted from the entertainment industry into politics and zoom up brings up his first for a

and i've done so many different things i want to a pony on broadway for show i did with line on hampton and that midler and uh... i made the video called mad is how which millions of people across america seem promoting freedom in the country uh... i'd rather the governor of that are nineteen ninety eight and i got only nearly thirty percent of four-way race

that very there you're very charismatic and a lot of people try to know their facts know the issues you know what you're talking about he knows his uh... his shit sounds not true but fine So it is true that Aaron Russo ran for governor of Nevada in 1998, but he did not get almost 30% of the vote. He

didn't even run in the general election because he lost the primary. What he's talking about. Right. He got 25.8% of the vote in the GOP primary compared to the 58% that the winning candidate Kenny Gwynn received. Sure. He came in second, but it was by a very wide margin, and margin and it was the primary. You can already tell that Aaron Russo is the kind of guy who is a hard time not inflating his own story a little bit past the point of honesty. This kind of makes sense given that he comes from the world of music promoters. He was bet middlers manager for a while as well as serving the same role for the Manhattan transfer. So he's accustomed to being a salesman type role. Right, right, right.

What he's doing here with Alex and laying out his resume is stretching the truth in order to sell himself, which isn't really that important of an issue when the truth that's being stretched is about like your show business career being a blowharden all that. Yeah, it's promotion. It starts to become more dicey

when that same behavior is applied toward relevant political issues like it has become Aaron Russo's later career. Sure. Also not for nothing, he didn't win a Tony. And the production he produced with Bet Middler didn't win one either. In 1974, he produced her show Clams on the Half Shell Review. I'm sorry.

Yeah. And Bet won a special Tony award for, quote, adding Lustre to the Broadway season. It's a special Tony. Sorry quote adding Luster to the Broadway season. It's a special Tony. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Adding Luster. She added Luster. I like that. That's a good award. I wish I had that one. Special Tony Awards are now basically just lifetime achievement award. Shits. But they used to be really weird. Yeah. Like in 1987, George Abbott got one just because he turned 100 years old. See, this is the type of shit.

This is the type of shit that we don't have anymore. We don't do the right kind of drugs, right? The 70s, you added Luster. That's because the entire country was high. The 80s. You're a hundred? Oh no! Everybody's on Coke, man.

Now we're just like, oh, we're mad. You made it. Here's an award. It's a bummer. Yeah, so that's the kind of thing that Rousseau is trying to take ownership of. Sure. Is this like we want a Tony with this production that no, cheated.

Yeah, she did. That was a special Tony that she won. It doesn't seem like. He's a bluffer. He's a bluffer. Doesn't seem like he's terribly interested in other people's contributions to his achievements.'s a he's a bluffer. It doesn't seem like he's terribly interested in other people's Contributions to his achievements Certainly not. No, certainly not. Yeah, so now that Aaron has laid out his resume

Alex will just parod it We can war on corruption crashing to the lies and disinformation defending this country against tyranny information defending this country against tyranny. The existing, the despotism that is upon us. I'm honored to have him on this show and I heard he was running for president about a month ago. I wanted to get him on. We finally got him on.

He's Aaron Russo. And again, this guy ran for Governor Nevada as a third party candidate, got 30% of a vote. That's a big deal. He's passionate. He's intelligent. He's an award-winning again, a producer of major films. And he's been out there fighting the New World Order for a long time. So Alex just takes it as red because Aaron

Russo has said that he got 30% in this race. It was in the primary. He didn't run in the actual race. Didn't, you know, 25.8%. I guess that's close to thirty i'll give you thirty on it but you also didn't run third party ilex is saying that it was in the gop primary right so like there is just factual problems that are happening because of this game of telephone where you have this vaguely dishonest person who's saying things and then now ilex isn't belishing them even further yeah that is that is interesting. His, his, his embellishments, his grand, grandiosity is almost modest in a way compared to what Alex would do to it.

You know what I mean? Alex, Alex would run a little more wild. Right, right, right. It is, it is, yeah. It's almost like he's in a, he's in a, he's in a, he's goldy locks. So, well, here's the thing. Yeah. Russo didn't say it was in a me. He's in a he's Goldilocks zone. Well, here's the thing. Yeah.

Russo didn't say it was in the general. No, he just heavily implied that it was. I know. Well, he didn't say that it was a driver. I let you say what you want to say. And I only say which true. All he said was it was a four way race. And it was. It was.

For the poor Mary. So Alex obviously when he said here's like, it's a four-way race obviously that means it's in the general Of course, I can't all be in the same party. You must be crazy. Yeah, so Alex yeah, Alex takes things a step further by making assertions They're incorrect based on the bluffs and exaggerations that Rousseau makes and there's no reason for Rousseau to stop him now I don't know You raw you running with it, buddy. Mm-hmm. So, Alex and Aaron discuss the, uh, Aaron waking up to the New World Order.

Oh, that New World Order. And I think that there's a different story, um, but there's some kernels of truth here. Okay. Aaron Russo, when did you wake up to the New World Order? What was the process like, you know, for a big promoter was you know bring it that will do a america and make a big films and doing all this what was the process like when did you uh... you know wake up what was going on

well i i know i've always been just in question because you know it's sort of some of the scrolls on your little bit of time you said that like when they just wake up and recognize it at least for me it wasn't exactly you know for me it was it was a gradual thing you know I just told the other situations really terrible and I happen to behave the way they behave and and then you start reading books and you start seeing the police be you know treating people poorly and and you know treating people as they were dogs and sheep

to have to speak this way i i don't remember what was the one i grew up and you start to see more and more and more more grows on you begin to realize and then i and then uh... i left the country as you know i was so fed up with america that you know you know you can do you can do you can also add here also a better oh yeah but it's really only three things you can do You can either you know leave the country you can sort of work the way it and be very quiet

Just mind your own business and not be too obvious as some people do it. Oh, you can fight and so the first I'm getting out of here, you know, you chose the path Though of not being a coward now you're fighting. Oh now. now if we are just trying to tell you how it's you know the evolution of everything and the path of the coward is just doing nothing and mining your own business you know i can actually with that it's not necessarily a coward you know some people are not saying you're a coward what i'm saying is that it is that i've been cowardly before in the past

fighting this but i just decided to be as bold as possible i think you have to be i also think that's where i came out as well so i quite first left the country you know what the heat you are family all right that sounds good and was fabulous you know uh... but i i i began to realize you know particularly roast pro is very important for me even though roast pro doesn't have a philosophy that i believe in

seeing that what he ran all the millions of people that will that will dissatisfied with the america something that i thought i was alone i didn't realize the millions of others have felt like i did i thought it was lonely voice over myself so it was for a while and i saw this at its back from the country it gave me the courage and the energy to say you know i'm a stand-up now

now that's a big part of it is they make us feel alone all compartmentalized, but Aaron, I've done over 1,500 radio interviews the last three years, and I'm telling you, we'll take 20, 30 calls, and they all agree, whereas five years ago, half of them disagreed, I've seen a massive awakening take place. There's no question about it. That's one of the reasons why I went up to the present. I got so thrown in the middle of that clip because the first time I was listening to it,

I didn't catch them saying that he's a veteran. Yeah, and I don't know that that's true or not. Okay. I don't have any Indication in things that I've seen that he was in the service. He really feels like that. Where when where would he have Where would he have fit that time in it seems tough. I mean was he Was he drafted at 17? I don't know. I don't want to I don't want to because I didn't look into this too heavily or anything. I don't want to make some kind of a statement like he was never he never served.

Well, sure, but I don't I don't. I've just I've never heard that. That's weird. That's weird. That's weird. Based on his description. Mm-hmm. Seems difficult to fit that in.

It does. At least for a length of time. Yeah. But this, what are you saying is all great and stuff, but I think that you really happened, is that Aaron Russo doesn't like taxes. Right. And is that why you moved to Tahiti?

He owed a lot of taxes. When? At this point he has about $2 million in leans. Okay. And doesn't like that. And then he's all raw pro getting kind of taxes. When? At this point he has about two million dollars in leans. Okay. And doesn't like that. And then he's all Ross Perot getting kind of successful. And he's like, no, here's a path I can follow.

That's one way to do it. Yeah. I think that's more realistic as a way that you wake up to the new world. Sure. Yeah, Elron Hubbard woke up to being Jesus one day when he did like the bill. Yeah, it happens. Yeah. Yeah, that does seem to track so um he's running yeah for the libertarian ticket sure and I think that uh

erinner so has the feeling that he's got a lot of possible people on his team okay well type of feedback have you gotten from the neo cons and the liberals well I'll tell you that when I wrap a government of that even jack nickleson who is it was a liberal supported me you made radio commercials for me okay so if i can start getting the high community behind my campaign it's gonna get tons and tons of press and there's no third party in the right rath nade is gonna fade away you get nothing to do so it's good i'm gonna be there to to fulfill that and

there are millions of millions of people across america who if they had someone to vote for who believe in the bill of rights and the constitution and getting rid of the skunk control nonsense they would come out and vote absolutely and we have to set and we have to tap into that allix that's the point we have to tap into the dissatisfaction of America and say to the American people. He has a guy who believes like you believe and he's standing up and fighting for it. That's all great, but in the 2004 election, Rousseau didn't even win the Libertary party in obvious.

Yeah, as you can see. If you feel like putting the current before the horse here to have all these grand ideas about how you're going to win the election before you even secure your third party candidacy. Yeah. While it is true that Rousseau has a fair amount of real entertainment industry credits. If you look at his resume, you might notice that they all end in 1991. Ultimately, he didn't do anything notable outside of his work with Bet Middler, which ended very abruptly in 1979, and trading places, which was he was one of four producers on.

Sure. So who knows what input he even had on that movie or what his contribution was. Yeah. In 1995, Russo put out a very long and very boring one-man show called Mad Is Hell, where he's trying to do so hard to do a Howard Beale in network impression.

Oh my God. You'll often see people repost this video and claim that it's from 1991, even though in the show, he complains about a bill that passed in 1995. Right. I suspect that the reason that people claim it came out in 1991 is so that it explains his complete drop-off from any show business credits. In a way that isn't the work dried up.

Right, right, right. Because of this, he couldn't get work anymore. He got blacklisted. As opposed to this sucked and so did everything else he did. Right. It's more emotionally satisfying to be like, you put out this dangerous threatening film and he got blacklisted for it, as opposed to the work dried up and he pivoted to this. Yeah. Yeah, it is.

Because he owed a lot of taxes. It is funny that the people who are most likely to blacklist people are the most likely to claim they're blacklisted when they suck. Hmm. Anyway, I don't think at this point that he's running for the libertarian nomination in 2004, there's a whole lot of Hollywood that would have rallied around him.

I was able to find an interview between Bett Middler and Disney head Michael Eisner from 2006, where the two are making fun of Russo. I'm sorry? Yeah, they're talking about how Middler had excused Russo as her manager and Eisner says, quote, he's got a documentary out about to come out about how you don't have to pay your taxes. Middler replies, laughing, quote, he's got a documentary out about to come out about how you don't have to pay your taxes. Middler replies laughing, quote, that sounds right. Eisner says, quote, I've seen it to which bent replies, quote, I've been in.

I was in a lot of very exciting police chases with him. Then Eisner tells a story about the time that Rousseau jokingly threatened to kill him. Not sure anyone took Rousseau all that seriously. It's a point outside of these hard right wing circles right right right Yes, so So he's like the kingpin and boogie nights if he was just a joke though. Yeah, okay So the the the the situation with the threatening to kill him was that Before he was managing bad Hitler

Before bad managing bad better. This is before managing bad, we got the call of the threatened murder then. Well, Russo was like managing some bands. Sure. Apparently Michael Eisner was a landlord. And so he- I'm sorry, what? So he tried to rent an apartment from Michael Eisner.

Okay. And they'd come to a tentative agreement, but then the next day after thinking about it, he's like, that guy, he manages bands. I can't do it I can't like it might be too rock and roll so Michael Eisner said I'm not gonna read this apartment to you And then Rousseau is like come on man. I have a family. Please. This is great It's a Michael Eisner agrees to it and then thinks about it overnight again

And he's like I can't do it you're man just bands. It's he says a second time. I can't I can't read to this apartment And then he says I'm gonna kill you So then two years later, I don't like TV of this two years later Michael Eisner has a meeting about bet midler in walks Aaron Russo And he's like, oh, you're that guy that I threatened to kill and then he just walks out of the meeting He's like, oh, this is never gonna work. And so that, yeah. That, that, that, that. Good times. That, I think, I think,

Ah, there's just not enough guys. I think the moral of that story is there's just not enough guys. One, why is Michael, I don't like any part of the story. I don't like Michael Eisner being a landlord and then suddenly being the Disney guy. I don't like that. I don't like how that, I don't know what trajectory

you go from landlord to ahead of Disney. I think it was subsequent. I think it was at the same time. I think it was concurrent. He was probably bad at his property. He's well also did that. Oh, then he's that much of an asshole. Yeah.

Then he's going around, you don't want a rock and roll the motor tenant choosing Individual I would assume that they are pretty nice places. I assume it's not like a little apartment that you could get Fair enough It's not like most of the places we've lived You don't think he's a slum lord. You don't think Eisner is Concurrently head of Disney and slum lording just for the fun of it. It depends on your definitions. It's a good point

So Russo is sure that all of this is going to amount to him winning the president. I have no doubts I'm pretty sure you're the most prominent candidate out there Obviously the best of libertarians. Do you think you're gonna get the libertarian libertarian nomination well let me produce so I started weeks ago in this race and I'm going to lead in the winds of my back I feel very very secure that yes I feel I don't feel that's a problem at all you know I'm very I'm very secure in that situation in the 2004 libertarian primaries there were five primary contests held and a man named Gary Nolan swept them all Russo came in second in the California primary losing by 35 percent. Oh, that's not bad

He came in third in the Massachusetts primary behind Nolan and no preference That's rough. He got 10.2% of the vote compared to 22% for no preference. I like no preference That's a good libertarian vote right there Yeah, so Gary Nolan was a conservative talk show host who quit his show in order to run for president no preference. I like no preference. That's a good libertarian vote right there. Yeah. So Gary Nolan was a conservative talk show host who quit his show in order to run for president and was roundly kicking people's asses in the primaries. Sure. But here's the thing.

What? For libertarians, the primaries don't actually mean anything. And it's all about who people vote for at the convention. Great. So we get to the convention. The first ballot is a tight race for everyone except comedian Drew Carey who gets three votes. Wait, how did Drew Carey? He tied for winning Utah because he got two votes from delegates from Utah. He run or was I think people just nominated him. Okay.

Okay. I was gonna say yeah, so he he ended up getting out in the first round. I mean he should I mean obviously he's the delegate from Ohio. He can't be from, well, the people from Utah wanted him, though he is from Cleveland, the drugs. We have. Yeah. So the first ballot tight race at the top, you had Aaron Russo with 258 votes. Another conservative radio guy named Michael Badenaric had 256 or just too below.

And then Gary Nolan was in third with 246 in the second round of voting things went pretty similarly, but because Nolan was still in third, he ended up getting the boot and wasn't a candidate in the third ballot. Just by having won all of the primaries. I think I had all the momentum. Oh, yeah. So he's out after on the way to the third ballot. That's they don't hate the player.

Nolan gave a concession speech and endorsed Badenaric and most of his voters went to Badenaric securing the nomination for him. Right. What a rollercoaster. That is that was intense. Yeah. Anyway, in later interviews, Russo would claim that he withdrew from the race because of health issues, but in reality, he just lost. Right. I find all of the effort and drama and and just everything that goes into that to be Fascinating in its complete ineptitude and uselessness. And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say you're in pretend that the Democrat and Republican nominating processes are streamline and make total sense. Oh sure, but this one's also silly. Oh no Yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. I mean there's's as our cane and stupid and at the end of it We all lose that's fine right because at least you know a thing happens

Where is with this one? You're doing it for God knows why you're doing it for yourselves It might as well be a convention where you guys talk about it's like I Have been trailer quest convention, you know, you're all having a great time But it's not for the rest of us. Oh in the the first round of Intriloquist did get one vote. I don't know if that's true. I might be making that up. I think you're supposed to get two votes at the very least. Well, that is, if your puppet doesn't vote for you, you are. You're a bad candidate.

You're the dubby. Hey. You stopped. I'm gonna take that with, that's my Christmas gift. Yeah, Merry Christmas. Thank you. So, there's one thing that Aaron Russo is really, really famous for. And it's a cornerstone of his later documentary, The America Freedom to Fascism, and also

a lot of the interviews that he does with various figures, including Alex in the future. Okay. And that is that he knows a member of the Rockefeller family. And this is not true. Okay. Okay. It is important to recognize, when we play this clip here, this is a part of his narrative

from as early as far back as this. Okay. Now, the CFR is a group publicly sworn to set up a world government. a part of his narrative from as early uh... as far back as this now the cf r's group publicly sworn to set up a world government mister rizzo is saying you talk to a friend of his it's in the cf r please continue you know saying was that uh... you know coming out of the establishment after the madman is held and uh...

and right before i was right right after i forgot i was running for governor rather uh... to the third party of the right now I got a call from a CFR, from a lawyer who wanted me to meet with one of the Rockefeller family, and I did. And this gentleman and I started hanging out here and talking because he was,

and he wanted to learn from me, and I wanted to learn from him. And it was really, really quite amazing amazing the way they look at the world. Many of them, not him necessarily, many people in the CFR, actually think they're doing the right thing. You know, they think the world is different. Let me guess what they said. Yes.

Now in the world is very dangerous. We have to be ruthless because all these other countries will get the weapons and we know best and we've got to organize society because people are so stupid and you know why don't you join the elite Aaron why don't you be with us. Well you pretty much hit it right on the head. Crazy how he hit it right on the head. Yeah. All the things that this person 100% said. Yeah it is it does feel like almost collaborative storytelling where Alex is laying out the plot and like the here's what here's where this is going Yeah, so we we have talked about Aaron Russo before we covered some of his stuff particularly this stuff in a past episode But just to give you a little bit of a refresher

There's a guy named Nicholas Rockefeller that he claims to be friends with who told him all this stuff right and Nicholas Rockefeller that he claims to be friends with who told him all this stuff. Right. And that guy is not a Rockefeller family member. I remember now. It is a fake Rockefeller. It is just a guy who took the name Rockefeller. Yes. And so there is a bunch of stuff that gets laundered through Aaron Russo of these Rockefeller

conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality. And they do end up informing a lot of Alex's ideas. I, I, it, it is like a little bit of, if you're an opportunist, just find somebody with the last name that you can exploit and then be like, hey, you're my friend. And then go from there. It's not hard. Yeah. You don't need a credential.

I mean, it's like, if you're a comic, you're like, oh, he was on the late show. It's not hard. Yeah. You don't need a credential. I mean, it's like if you're a comic, you're like, oh, he was on the late show. Don't need it. I know a Rockefeller done. Same thing. Go for it. Right. And I can say this guy isn't related to the Rockefellers

and he can say secret relatives. Absolutely. There's no way around this. Help fit me. Yeah. So one thing that I do find interesting is that at this point, Russo doesn't want to say who the Rockefeller is. Right.

Mr. Russo, now again, obviously it wasn't David Rockefeller. You want to tell us which Rockefeller? I read the nut. I read the nut at the moment. So you have the CFR trying to recruit you and they said, hey, once you're in with're in with us you know you're above the loss and don't worry what we do to the sheet it was it was a sort of information and links and odds you know it's never blatant you know it's never really but i i had one of the biggest networks five six years ago try to recruit me and they said you want to be a star Alex around this crusade that's going nowhere

here's your million dollar contract join us I mean I've literally had the meeting with the devil but how it like first of all that doesn't sound nefarious at all that sounds like somebody who may be here offered you a job second I think that when you have elaborate conspiracies that are based a largely on winks and nods. And, you know, they never say this stuff, but, you know, it's based entirely on your interpretation of subtle cues.

Then maybe I'm gonna say I don't trust your reading of subtle cues. Yeah. Because I have surrounding context and the way that Aaron seems to deal with the rules of reality, sure. He seems to bluff things the rules of reality. Sure. He seems to bluff things a little bit. Right.

Maybe his interpretations of the Winks and Nods that he got from these supposed Rockefellers maybe weren't accurate either. I will say that I can go so far. You know what? Sometimes people don't put things in writing for a reason. You know, I will say that there are places where in hand shakes and winks and nods do occur. Right. I don't trust any of the roots. Why is a

why is a fictional character one said you don't take notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy? Yeah, exactly. And that guy was real. Mm-hmm. What I mean in a fictional sense is fictionally real. in a fictional sense is fictionly real so uh... earners o believes that uh... bush and carry are the same person basically wait not literally uh... it would uh... but then he goes on to a bizarre metaphor in order to explain his feelings to the and they give us no choices i mean bush and carry the same person

i mean it's a good you know the i use this analogy. Imagine this beautiful woman was in a terrible car accident. And her face was complete this big hit and it needs plastic surgery desperately. And so George, which says, okay, let's put a little eyeliner on the right side of a face and John Kerry says, let's put a little mascara on the left side of a face and that's what we're going to do.

This country needs plastic surgery. It needs an overhaul from top to bottom. We've lost everything that we ever had here and we've got to restore it. We've got to bring it back and that's what's necessary and there's no one else to do with it. So I've decided to run and just all my knowledge, everything I know in my life to win this campaign. You're a weird guy. You are weird. Here's the thing. If that's off the delm, fight. But I mean, the way he presented is like, as I like to say, as though this is a regular thing that he tells people. This is my chosen imagery.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the one that I, this is the one that I've got in my back pocket that I bring out all the time. I think that there's a hundred ways to make the same sort of allegorical point that aren't like weird like like that is. That aren't Macauvin, a straight. A beautiful woman in a terrible accident. You're abusive adjectives for this. He's a little bit disingenuous. He was gross. So just to illustrate that Aaron Russo and Alex Jones

are both not profit types. And their predictions are generally very wrong. This is mostly targeted at Alex, but Russo's along for the ride. Here's some ding-dong stuff. That Aaron is taking action further educating himself and involved... looking at all of this we've got a whole bunch of phone calls here that i'm sure we're about every issue

under the sun and it all ties into while you're running for president against this pernay before we do that i know you've got a lot to talk about any other key points you want to hit on aron well i think it's very important people have to learn about the military draft that's coming you know the department of defense put up on the website opposed in calling for people to manage rap boards

and i think that's a universal draft by the way men and women that the serve here domestically as their slayage that's right to add all men and women between the ages of eighteen twenty six we all know that happened yep that's That's certainly in the 20 years since. I will say this, for America, I think one thing that we have proved is that a draft is not possible because we cannot be trusted with guns. Hmm. I don't know if that's the reason.

I mean, I recognize that, but I mean, I don't think a draft is possible for a hundred different reasons. Sure. I'm just saying I wouldn't give a lot of people guns. Sure, but I think a lot of those people already have guns. And that's why you don't want to give them permission. The authority of some sort. Exactly. Yeah, so this is a good obsession to have because it scares people a lot.

The idea of a draft is really scary. And you look back on Vietnam War era, the dynamics of the draft are things that still haunt people. And obviously it's very potent to scare people. This is what the enemies are going to do. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's hard, it's hard really to put myself into the headspace of the idea of the government saying that I have to go to war.

Yeah. Like, because, I mean, okay. I mean, because eventually they get to your door, you know, and you have the options of either going along with them or going to jail or some sort of thing like that, right? Yeah. To me, I just cannot get into the headspace of like, uh, yeah, I'll go kill people instead of like,

oh, you're gonna put me in a room? I mean, I guess I'll go into a room. Is that what we're doing? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's kind of the, uh, the choice that you end up in. Right. It's, uh, yeah. But so many people were like, well, I guess I have to do this because the government says

so. Right. Wild. Wild. I don't know. I haven't looked too deeply into how... Into your drafts all? Well, like how capable people were of just being like, well, I'll go to jail then.

Sure, sure. I imagine there's a fair amount of pretty, pretty, um, a coerced. Yeah, there has to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but, but the point is that it's, it's something that you can really use, uh, to make people, uh, anxious. And that is why it is something that Alex has used as a prediction that it's coming right around the corner for years and years constantly. Yeah. Because it doesn't lose its ability to evoke that fear and that feeling in people. And it's a good way to characterize your enemies. See, I mean, and again, it's just wild to me that you would be afraid of something like that. Because it's here. So fine. now we're now we're past that I'm

co-wurst I can't go sit in a room now I got to go do the war I got I got a war right the first thing you got to do is teach me how to war right now at that point in time I can learn how to war or I can subtly sabotage the whole war thing to the point where you go I don't want you to war with us and then you get so bad at this and get killed in friendly fire or something something but I mean like the idea of just being afraid of like you understand that I'm I can just be so bad at this that you don't want me there but you understand also the dynamics of you know the military is not known for just being like oh no he, he won't cooperate, whatever will we do.

Oh, no, I mean, I'm talking like, whoops, I'm sorry, I dropped this grenade over there. Ah, you know, wacky shenanigans, all right? I don't know if that qualified wacky. I would get out of the military through shenanigans, that's why. So it would turn into like earnest, ghost to war, whatever. It's gonna be you would it would turn into like urnus goes to war whatever it's got to be it um is exactly by lifestyle okay yeah so um

Alex asks uh erner so about the federal reserve because this is one of his big issues um and uh this does not inspire confidence the federal reserve is what gives him so much power yeah and the money makes the rules Maggie thanks for the call. You keep bringing up the Federal Reserve. It is the central point of their power, 1913, and a minute or two, right down with the Federal Reserve.

It really is. Sure. You want me to do it now? Yeah, go ahead and know. Sorry. Well, but essentially, the Federal, firstly, we should realize, America has $72 trillion and unfunded liabilities

which means that you know that money has to be created in the air brothers is trying to currency we have in this country what they have to renegade on the debt okay so i'm not uh... i'm not too inspired here when alix asked the federal reserve is ruso launches into a bit about unfunded liabilities essentially is peridinconservative anti-government spending talking points.

These unfunded liabilities aren't the terrifying thing that folks like Russo make them out to be. These are things like future social security payments, which the government will need to pay, but the money to pay that out comes from future payments into the social security system. You'll often hear that the government has unfunded obligations to pay X amount of money out of Medicare and Social Security over the next 50 or so years. It'll seem like a giant amount of money and there's no money to pay it currently.

That's because the system relies on workers paying into that system over the course of the next 50 or so years, thereby funding those unfunded liabilities. This is a favorite bogeyman talking point of the right wing types because they hate government spending on social welfare. They don't want to pay taxes and don't give a fuck if your grandparents can't afford their medications, but they know that is not a winning argument to sell to the public. If they cause a bunch of panic about these unfunded liabilities, you can mask your real agenda behind a fake appearance of concern. And that's the typical game. You don't hear this unfunded liabilities stuff when you're like opposition to like bailing out or subsidizing some big business. Sure, sure. Or whatever. That's not the the tack that's taken by these conservative types. Yeah, I

didn't have a reason. The whole money thing for the government is so silly. Like the moment, the moment I looked into like the military budget and how, and how at a point they were like, oh yeah, so we tried to, but you cannot audit this money. We just don't, you'll never know where it's going to go. And so the idea of the like yearly, like, oh, we're gonna give you 800 billion dollars thing is purely ceremonial. The idea is if the military wants something, they will get it. There's no real money. But what about the unfunded liabilities? There's no real money. It doesn't matter. Did they spend $800 billion last year? No one fucking knows. Maybe they spent 10. No one knows. No one's gonna ask if they want something though. It's theirs.

I agree with you generally speaking, but I also think that the, you know, speed like broadly I don't think that no one knows where any of the money goes. Sure sure. I agree with you that there's not a precise account. Right right. It's not like it's all a mystery. No no no there is somebody who pays money but like what if what do they need? So okay the person who is writing the check for like the people

with the plane or whatever, oh, there's a point. Here's how much money we need for this amount of plane, right? If he doesn't have that much money, he doesn't go like, oh, well, I guess we can't get the plane. He just turns to somebody and he goes, put more money into the thing that gets the plane stuff and then person goes, okay. Yeah, yeah, money's not real. Sure. And a great deal of the stuff that gets the plane stuff and then person goes okay. Yeah, yeah money's not real sure

Yeah, and a great deal of the stuff that people like Aaron Russo and and folks on the very much anti government anti-tex Yeah, bandwagon a lot of the stuff that they fear monger about are these systems that they're misrepresenting or there things that we owe Ourself. Yeah, you know, they're not representing or there are things that we owe ourselves. Yeah. You know, they're not, they're not some, it's not like you get someone's gonna break your legs. Yeah. Because you owe somebody X, Y, or Z amount. Yeah, to continue the plane people thing,

that guy you turned to and we were like, hey, give me more money, is the guy you're getting the plane stuff from? Mm-hmm. It's a circle. Yeah, which isn't to say that that's, it's not, it's real money. And that's not to say that it's not an uncorrupt system in in a lot of ways

But the way that it's being described as corrupt right people like Aaron or so are in service of a different agenda Yeah, yeah, so Aaron leaves it's a very friendly interview and the two of them clearly are Hitting it off. Yeah, this is nice. Yeah. And this it does become a flowering friendship between the two of them. Aaron is a guest on Alex's show in the future. The two of them have interviews about Nicholas Rockefeller and all kinds of crazy bullshit. But he leaves and we get to a little bit of news. There's a little bit of news. All's a little bit of news. All right.

And we're going to continue with your phone calls at 800-2599-231. Last hour, I got into part of the article, found that the 9-11 stand-down order. Jim Hoffman has discovered a document which I believe may be very important to the 9-11 skeptic movement. The document precedes earlier DOD procedures. And as of June 1, 2001, there was an order put out by the joint chiefs that generals can no longer shoot down derelict or hijacked aircraft that had to all go through Rumsfeld.

So another reason they didn't shoot down aircraft. Jim Hoffman is a very discredited conspiracy peddler. And this is not a stand-down order that he's supposedly found. Also, you hear it in the first person, that's because Alex is reading a blog post off Jeff Rents' website, which is in the first person. Jeff Rents, yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about him. So this is an update to the guidelines

for dealing with aircraft piracy, which makes changes like taking instances where the document says US element North American aerospace defense command and changing them to North American aerospace defense command. So there's like those kinds of changes and what have you? Share. Updates like this to policy guidelines happen all the time and conspiracy theorists love to pretend that they're making far more sweeping changes than they actually are.

In this case, the argument that Alex is putting forth is that the document made it so only Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, could have any say about shooting down civilian aircraft, whereas previously any old general could make that determination. Any old general! This is absolutely not true. This document updated an almost identical document from 1997 and it doesn't change anything about the change of responsibility for decision making. In both, they say that the FAA is responsible for monitoring flights and requesting help from the Department of Defense if they feel like it's needed. In the updated 2001 version, as well as the 1997 version, they say, quote, National Military Command Center will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference D,

forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. When the document says, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference D, it's talking about DOD policy that predated this document and wasn't changed by it. Essentially, federal military commanders had the authority to respond to emergencies immediately if it was a situation where they could not reasonably get the permission from the Secretary of Defense. It's pretty clear from the language of the document that this authority to respond doesn't

extend to shooting down an aircraft full of civilians and in fact it explicitly says quote immediate response authority does not permit actions that would some uh... subject civilians to the use of military power right so uh... don't think that Alex's angle and this is accurate okay so what's it so that i mean fewer planes get shot down uh... that's the idea right What's it so I mean fewer planes get shot down. That's the idea right?

Of this update. Is that the idea? No. No. More planes get shot down? No. There are more possible situations where planes can get shot down. No.

There are fewer possible situations. Clarifying language. And it's re, I don't remember exactly what it is, but there's the there's the category of like derelict aircraft and that's like air balloons unmanned things. Sure. And so it added a couple things to that category of derelict things that can be shot down right if they pose a threat to people. And so it's not it doesn't make anything about more planes being shot down, less planes being shot down. It's just updating like some language and stuff. That happens all the

time. That's what I feel like. If we're having a conversation that involves planes being shot down, my only interest is more or fewer, you know, larger or fewer, the number of planes being shot down. And then what do I don't think any kind of bill could really determine that because it's really contingent on what the circumstances are. Well, I mean, do you know what I mean? Like, are we tight? Are we allowed? Are we?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Possibilities where you can shoot. And why? And, yeah, and for my understanding, this does not change any of that. If that's the case, then we don't need to talk about it. Right. But even under Alex's, then we don't need to talk about it. Right. But even under Alex's definition, I don't think that it changes that. See, because Alex's version of it is simply that it just made the Secretary of Defense

responsible for making all of these decisions as opposed to generals on the ground. Right. Because only the Secretary of Defense could make these decisions, Donald Rumsfeld was able to have a stand down and make nobody respond to keep the generals from shooting the planes out of the scum. From 9-11. Right. Right. That I think I got. Yes. So that's the that's the fund a foundational element of Alex's conspiracy. Right. And that is complete horseshit. Yeah. That seems crazy. But it's interesting to go back in time because we can really see the way that Alex's MO has honestly never changed.

It's just that technology has. In the present day, so much of his coverage is just skimming memes and Twitter posts and pretending that qualifies as a valid source. But in the past, it was no different. He was just using idiotic blog posts as the same thing he was skimming. This is his workflow.

This is what he does. Yeah, I mean, it was so clear, like how he became what he became, is because at the time there weren't 10 million other YouTubers to go to, to go to who had the same blog post that they were reading. Right. Like there was just so few, so many fewer,

Jesus Christ, that's some good modification. So many fewer few so many fewer or Jesus Christ that's some good So many fewer so many fewer No, it's just that the space was so available for the taking yeah You had well you had Like Basically the same thing as a bunch of other youtubers with the same blog post sure except it was a couple of conservative talk show hosts on the radio with the same drug report type headlines and stuff. And the thing that set Alex apart was that he had no boss and no concern of pressure from

advertisers and stuff like that. So he could be free to lie and misrepresent things. He could yell. He could do basically whatever he wanted in a way that all those other talk show hosts couldn't. And therefore he could make shit up and spread conspiracy shit. That was much more interesting and exploited various fears and insecurities of the audience in a way that someone like Sean Hannity probably couldn't get away with doing. Yeah, yeah. So that's really the, I believe, the one of the biggest elements of his standing out. Yeah.

Back then, it's more interesting. It is, and it plays it's a thing that plays out over and over and over again in as any kind of new media pops up. This kind of same cannibalization happens. The same space opens up. This guy breaks in, creates the space, and then it gets torn into little 8 million YouTubers, all watching the same shit, making the same video about Charlie.

Yeah, I think that you have a proof of concept of something that somebody does, and then everybody is like, I'll try and do that. And I think that Alex has probably been surpassed in some ways by the other people who saw him, and it's like, I can do that. in some ways by the other people who saw him and was like, I can do that. And because the internet exists the way it does, those previous pressures to people like a Hannity or whatever who on those radio stations, those don't apply to folks anymore. And so that thing that made Alex kind of different, enabled to move in a different way than those other hosts, that's been eliminated.

It's not unique to him anymore. Yeah, it is one of those things that you look at. And if you take a step back over the larger like decade long view, it does feel like there are just these sliders. You know, there's like four different things that you alter for different little attributes and you have a different guy. You know, like remove the boss and you from Tucker Carlson and you have Alex Jones ad energy, you know, like it's it is so much that

Mm-hmm, and that's just it. That's all these people are there's nothing unique about them truly It's just a different scramble of the same shit. Yeah. Yeah, there's something to that Yeah, so we get another headline a little bit of news and I was very interested in this Oh, there's so much more here later in the hour hour, I'm going to read over some of Senate Bill 742. As people can't believe this, and I'm going to read over it again. About putting you in a forest labor camp for life, if one protestor blocks traffic, everyone gets life in prison. And I wanted to read some of the other crimes you get life in prison for,

if they're able to pass this. And here's the deal. some of the other crimes you get life in person for, give them a way to pass this. And here's the deal. I'm gonna take calls and I'm giving each caller and I wanna hear from you, we love you to death. But I don't like the fact that people tell me they can't get into this show for weeks sometimes because the phones get loaded up and then we don't get to them. I'm gonna give each caller a minute

and I'm not gonna interrupt you. Questions, comments, anything you wanna talk about, you got 60 seconds. Another thing that's been a constant thread through Alex's career is the insistence that he's going to go to calls and not talk. He's just given callers a minute to say whatever they want. Whatever you want. He's been trying to do that for 20 years. We have seen that a lot.

Now, I've heard Alex constantly talk about this supposed bill that would make everyone at a protest subjected to internment and a forest labor camp as some blocks traffic, but I'd never actually heard the specific bill number. Now that I have, I can look into it a little. In 2004, we're in the middle of the 108th session of Congress, and in that session, S742 was titled, The International Disability and Victims of Warfare Civil Strike Assistance Act of 2003. Okay, if I understand that is the bill that will outlaw all protest and put everybody in jail forever. Well, I mean, I'm just, this is the first place you look.

So it was introduced by Republican from Kansas Sam Brownback and has literally zero to do with the stuff that Alex is talking about. It was also referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations in March 2003 and died there. I thought that maybe Alex was talking about a bill from the House and accidentally said Senate, so I checked HR 742, but that was a proposed code change to reduce the age you're eligible for military retirement pay from 60 to 55. Okay, well that's nice. Yeah, but it clearly isn't it. Yeah.

So then I decided to check the 107th Congress, the previous one, but at 742 that year was the retirement security and savings act of 2001, which also died in committee. Yeah, that sounds right. And the 106th Congress, S742, is a clarification on the requirements that would be needed to be met for China to join the world trade organization, which also died in committee. I make sense. And the 105th Congress, it was a bill promoting adoption. There just isn't a bill with this number. It matches Alex's story in any way. So a little later in this episode,

Alex reads from a blog post about this bill. And because he used precise language that's used in this blog, I was able to trace it down and get to the bottom of this. It's not a bill in the US Senate. It's in the Oregon State Senate. Sure. And it didn't pass.

Wow. By the time Alex is talking about it. Great. Alex's version of this is very cartoonish and disconnected from reality, but it also is way too broadly written to be an effective law. It was essentially trying to create a catch all type of offense called the crime of terrorism. But as you can well imagine, terrorism is a term that is a million meanings. So trying to legislate a clear definition of it isn't going to be a smooth process. Uh, anybody who does something to make you afraid- Oh no, this is going to be-

Oh no, in effect, this was meant to supplement already existing laws and crimes in Oregon by adding this terrorism distinction, which would allow for life sentences for people who commit other crimes in furtherance of terrorist goals. Sure. The issue is that some of these crimes that it was meant to apply to made sense, like giving and receiving bribes, but it also extended things like dog fighting and the unlawful distribution of cigarettes. Okay, I was going to say is the IRA a huge problem in the organ of this time?

Maybe. Okay. I understand the intention of the bill, which is obviously to enable the state to more harshly prosecute terrorists for adjacent crimes, but it's also not really well thought out. And because of how nebulously it has to be written, it opens the door to the kind of propaganda optics that these games the Alex likes to play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were never going to be sent to a forest labor camp if you're at a protest and someone stops traffic, but because of how the bill is written, Alex can make that impression. The list of crimes that this applies to is at the bottom of the bill.

But at the top, it says, quote, a person commits the crime of terrorism if the person knowingly plans, participates in or carries out any act that is intended by at least one of its participants to disrupt a, the free and orderly assembly of the inhabitants of the state of Oregon, the commerce are the transportation systems of the state of Oregon, the commerce are the transportation systems of the state of Oregon, or see the educational or governmental institutions of Oregon or its inhabitants. Yeah, that's not gonna be applied well.

Well, without the context of the acts that it's meant to apply to, it sounds like anything anybody does that's in any way disruptive is gonna be classified as terrorism and make the person subject to life and prison. Pretty much. I like to remove that context because it makes this job way easier. Yeah. disruptive is going to be classified as terrorism and make the person subject to life in prison. Pretty much.

I like to remove that context because it makes this job way easier. You can pretty easily come up with an argument against this bill even with the context intact, but it's so much easier to create this cartoon-ass version of it to attack. It's lazy, but it's more interesting. And it creates the impression of the comic book villain tyranny that you're pretending to be up against it reinforces that and so Why give the context your audience doesn't demand it who gives a shit. Yeah Yeah, I was thinking that while this is going on You know there are so many times where you think of

People talking about these laws that they want you know all that stuff and what they're not thinking is What if these laws were to apply to me? You know, the assumption is like, this is for other, the smaller people, that kind of thing, right? Alex kind of seems to have like the opposite point of view on this that I would expect from him, because if he was the person who was telling, was determining who was terrorists,

he would love this bill. This is exactly what they want. That's why they make it okay for you to hit somebody at a protest with your car. You know, like, that is the bill that they are arguing against. Fulsely, here. Sure.

The one that they want. Yeah, okay. Just wanted to be clear on this. But, you know, I mean, even like your explanation Sure. The one that they want. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. Just wanted to be clear on this. But, you know, I mean, even like your explanation and everything, it's all games. It's a game of depriving the audience of information in order to paint the picture that you want to paint. Yeah.

And I think that also, Alex, you know, I think maybe somewhat intentionally trying to obscure the fact that this is a Oregon state senate bill that didn't pass, you know, and it takes the stakes down a little bit It does it does and that's why I've heard him talk about it so many times But never had any kind of specific like that bill number that was able to latch on to like what is this? What are you talking about and that makes it more difficult to realize what a fraud he's yeah yeah yeah it should have been specifically the Oregon doesn't like Portland bill that he was talking about so i like to read a little bit from this uh... blog and bill and uh... something interesting uh... is is going on

when a person is convicted of terrorism under this section, the court show order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possibility of parole and only to be released on work release to a forest or work camp. So you get 25 years of your degree of the forest work camp. And so there you go. And then they give the things that you can get life in prison for. Not just blocking traffic and some of the stuff is bad, some of it's not bad, but so they make some real crimes in with the same crime. What? Brides, giving as defined in Section 106015, a penal code of Oregon, bribe receiving, and

then gives that public investment fraud, robbing a witness, by a witness simulating legal process so acting like you're a lawyer Official misconduct in the first degree the stodial interference of the second degree The stodial interference in the first degree Buying or selling a person under 18 years of age is defined so they put a few things that are really bad What a few things that are bad of that They put a few things that are bad. Share their custodial information. Yeah. Conduct encouraging child sexual abuse in the first degree. And then it gives some more of those. Possessing of materials,

affecting sexual explicit, you know, same stuff. Ooh. So blocking traffic isn't found anywhere in the bill. But sure, you can see an interesting thing happen here. Alex is reading off the offenses that this bill relates to and all of it's pretty bad stuff, but he needs to be opposed to this bill. In order to do that, he has to cling desperately to the idea that it also includes life sentences for people who block traffic, which he's just making up. Yeah, this is nonsense. Yeah, this sounds too reasonable.

So the unreasonable thing that I thought it was, I'm gonna make it that. Yeah, and if you go down the full list of these offenses, there are ways that you can kind of understand how these could be part of a terrorist enterprise. Sure. You know, things like bribery, things like human trafficking, things like theft.

There's some that are a little bit like, I'm not exactly sure where this would apply like unlawful recording of a live performance. I'm not sure exactly how that... What did Ask Cap get that in there? What's going on? Right, right. There are a few things like that.

But then the rest of it is stuff like, fraudulent ID stuff, identity theft, illegal purchasing of handguns. Yeah. Things like that, you know, a lot of it does make sense. But Alex is pretending that it's like, oh, they threw a few things in here, and then it's blocking traffic. Yeah, it's not. It's absolutely not. That's also one of those things that's very much got that feel of like, how good are we doing on the regular bribes thing, right? Like, how many bribery cases have we prosecuted in the past year? Two?

Oh great, why are we bothering with 10? I bet there's more, it's just something you never hear about, because why would you? I mean, I feel like bribery is kind of a thing that you hear about. That's not a juicy story. I don't know. Isn't bribery like a really juicy story? I don't know.

I mean, if I'd known in advance, you wanted to, you get into this, I could maybe see if I find some bribery convictions. I mean, I kind of want to see some more bribery convictions, honestly. All right. I mean, whenever one of our Supreme Court justices is just a walking bribe, then it's hard to imagine that there's like regular bribe convictions. Well, here's the thing, like that's really high stakes. Sure.

So like it's, it's, you know, obviously you're not gonna see the conviction of a Supreme Court judge. Sure. A problem. So we got a former alderman of Chicago, in Chicago found guilty of racketeering and robbery. We got a former alderman of Chicago, okay Chicago. Wow, sure. Found guilty of racketeering and robbery. Well, yeah, but see, that's almost like two days ago.

That's almost offensive because they all are and we all know it. Here's another headline for Cincinnati Councilman sentence for bribery scheme those three days ago. Okay. So most of our government, most local governments across this nation should probably have somebody right now being arrested and convicted of bribery. Four days ago former East Cleveland police officers found guilty in bribery trial. So I mean like what I'm saying is there are instances of this and a lot of it is more local type stuff. No, that makes sense.

That's really going to hear about it. So you feel like, eh, we're not convicting anybody. I don't know. I mean, I feel like that's the, I think it's more of the problem is that we're comparatively convicting a lot of people of bribery.

I mean, that was a number of cases just for a few days. It's recent past. Maybe it's just clearing out the docket. Good. Good. Getting all those end of the year. End of the year.

Yeah. So when I back to Alex, he completely fucked up reading the docket. Good. Good. Good. Good. Get in all those. End of the year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when I back to Alex, he completely fucked up reading the act here. He says that you can get out of prison if you go to a forest labor camp, but actually this says the opposite. Quote, when a person is convicted of terrorism under this section, the court shall order that person to be confined for a minimum of 25 years without the possibility of parole, released to post prison supervision, release on work, release, or any form of temporary leave or employment at a forest or work camp. Jesus.

The forest or work camp stuff is only in this bill as an example of a thing that you would be prohibited from being sent to if you're convicted of terrorism under this. Yeah. I would normally say that this is a case of Alex being lazy, but as he's reading that passage, you can hear him pause and add additional words so it fits his narrative. Listen to this. Cork shall order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possible a parole and only to be released on work release through a forest or work camp. So you get 25 years of your read of the forest work camp. He paused and added

and only to be released in there because he needs those words to make the narrative work. He's intentionally lying to the audience to scare them about this bullshit and it's a bill that didn't pass already by this point and he's just making shit up about it. What a weird, you know, I don't think about it too often, but that is such a weird thing for people writing laws to like specify what you can do while you're in prison. You know, like what do you want out of that? Like if you can't, you can't go to work, you can't do anything, you can't work,

you can't do any of this stuff. So you just want this person in a hole, you know? Like that's the idea that you're writing a bill in advance. I'm guessing like let's put the person in a hole? You know, like that's the idea that writing a bill in advance. I'm guessing like let's put the person in a hole. The instinct there or the thought process is this would not be applied to people who aren't public danger. Sure. You know, and so probably someone who's at a forest work kind of place

could be able to escape or something. I think the odds are higher. Sure. Then if you're just in prison. Totally. So I think that that's probably the impetus for like, if you're convicted under this, you can't go to any place where it's easier for you to escape.

Sure, sure, I'm not, I mean, obviously I have my reputation, but I'm not describing anything to various to this. Yeah. It just seems very interesting to me, this idea of pre-planning in advance where this theoretical person could be held. That's a strange thing that humans do. Yeah, well, lawyers.

Yeah, well, did it, did it, did it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, I mean, it's, sure. I think it is weird, but I bet it's not that it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, but I love to, you know, listen to Alex's bullshit from the 20 years ago. So, and that's not common. I love that they love that. I'm bummed out whenever people are doing it and they hate it.

That sucks. You don't like the person who sadly is forced to come up with a incarceration scheme. I hate incarcerating people. Then don't do it, man. So we come to the end of this, and we got a couple of bullshit headlines, certainly. And Alex is the beginning of his relationship with Aaron Russo. The first time they spoke on air, and presumably from what it appears, first time they've ever

spoke. Yeah, okay. I think it's immediate, like right at the gate, Alex is like, I wanna, this person is showbiz. Yeah, he wants part of the showbiz of this person. Well, yeah, and that's such a common thing. Yeah. I feel like people, particularly on the pretty far right, are very desperate for anybody who has the appearance

of mainstream pop culture kind of a J-sensey. They really, really like those people. And Aaron Ursula is a perfect example of that, because you can't take away the fact that he was a rock band promoter, that he was a bet middlers manager that he did produce, or one of the producers on trading places. You know, like those things are not in dispute.

Yeah. And so he has a really easy thing to be like, this show biz guy, he knows everything about the inner workings of how the machine works, the establishment. I'm not sure. I'm not sure about that. Yeah, it is, it is like the right gets the bizarro version of every pop culture thing that they can.

Like even Clint Eastwood, they got the version of Clint Eastwood that talks to a chair. You know, like there's a bizarro version of Aaron Ru, the Russo brothers, just regular producers, who've done Marvel movies, who want Academy Awards, you know, the whole thing? I bet they manage Bed Mittler's end of her career.

You know, thanks, Em? I don't know. But yeah, you know, it does, it does, you know, it, that instinct of desperate cleaning to anybody who's like mainstream popular, who will go along with your stuff. It explains a lot of the stuff like why Tucker Carlson interviewed Kid Rock. And as we're recording this, apparently it just came out that he interviewed Kevin Spacey. It's that desperation of pop culture adjacency

that because it's something that they're denied, you know, it's something that they do not have access to because of their fringiness. Yeah. They are not accepted into the mainstream of people's celebrity-ness. It's just that constant, like the harder you try to get it, the more it is impossible to get.

And the more you want it, the less people want to get it, the more it is impossible to get. And the more you want it, the less people want to give it to you. And then you get kid rock. Like that's what happens. Like it is, it is that vicious cycle of because you desire it, it is not available to you. And here's kid rock. That's Buddhist in a way. And you know what I say to that? And you know what I say to that? Bar with the bar. I am the blue god. That is when the hood, when the dark hood, and the skeletal thing of points,

and you hear bar with the bar, you know that's the ghost Christmas future. Yeah. Coming for you. Yeah should Should Listen to that kid rock interview with Tucker if only because I want to see if he brings up Joe C Three foot tall with a 10 foot dick. I can't imagine. I can't imagine Anyway, yes, we will be be back but until then we have

website and did we do it's knowledge right dot com yep we're also on Twitter we are a Twitter and blue sky and whatever those things all the social media yeah anyway we'll be back but until then I would bought bank dang dinky when they're not that forgot to say I'm the only D.X. like bought with the bond bank dang D. I think I could probably recite all of the lyrics to say I'm Neo Neo DX fuck, but what about bang bang D? I think I could probably recite all of the lyrics to that. I know and it scares me. This is for the questions that don't have any answers.

Midnight Glancers and the Topless Dancers. Get out while you can! Alright. Okay. Woo yeah! Woo yeah! And now here comes the sex robot. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth thanks for holding.

So Alex, I'm the first time color of a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. come up with the sex robot. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So I like some of the first same color of a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.