Knowledge Fight - #888: The Debate Of The Century, Part 1

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

In this installment, by popular demand, Dan and Jordan begin an analysis of Alex's monumental, very serious and sincere debate about whether or not January 6 was a manufactured event.  Guest stars a-plenty!  Incoherent yelling!  This debate truly has it all.

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I need money. I need money. Andy and Pansley. Andy and Pansley. Stop it. Andy and Pansley. Andy and Pansley. Andy. It's time to pray. Andy and Pansley. Sure, on the ear, please. And the end of the day And the end of the day And the end of the day And the end of the day

And the end of the day So Alex, I'm a good friend I love your world Knowledge Fight Not Knowledge Fight. I love you Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dave I'm Chuck

We're couple dudes like to sit around Worship with at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joos Indeed, we are dad and Jordan dad Jordan quick question for you. So what's your mind spots? Anybody look? I got to cut the bullshit because no bullshit. Well look. We don't have time today We had a long way to go and a short time to get there. That's wrong They were gonna do what they say can't be done So I have no time to fuck around on this and go with a long bright spot talking about how how much I love traders. Listen, okay, it's Thursday. Right. I woke up this morning. Yeah, there's a new Hey Randy. I mean, the new episode of the doughboys with Tim bolts on it. It's a Tim

bolts day. That's great. That's a great day. One of the funniest dudes. So great. It's on Tim. Wow. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. I listened to it as I was falling asleep last night. So I was actually lying that I said I woke up and they were both there. It's fine But I was laughing as I fell asleep. That's great guys Damn hilarious. That is fantastic. Yeah, he is very funny. Anyway, what's your bridesma? My bright spot is Song built to then burnt horror by the silver mountain lion orchestra and trial a law band by the Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Trial Al-Aband. Oh. Ooh.

Ooh. I thought that name was gonna end a couple times. No, all right. The Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Trial Al-Aband. That's a good name. Or, or, or, or, I can't remember. It's a long name and it gets longer on different albums. It should be V with two E's.

It is. It is. It is. Yeah, yeah, they've, they're way ahead of you. Yeah. No, so this song, it's from like 20 years ago, but I just recently listened to it again and I can't stop because there's a poem that's read by,

so to give you an idea of the Silver Mount Zion, imagine if music was kind of unlistenable, but for people who really like music. Well, that's what I was imagining. Yeah, that's about that. Yeah, the name gave away. The Silver Mount Zion, the Charlotte Law Band, the Norcas Show was imagining. Yeah, that's about that. Yeah, the name gave a kid and I swear to you it is one of the most inspiring

Brilliant poems and the breeding of it is astonishing like I could teach that so much and it's just it's just so beautiful And it is it is like we'll make you want to run through a brick wall for freedom and shit You know, it is like a truly inspiring like fucking brothers and sisters, you know, it's fucking great. That's right. Yeah, so that does sound good even though I am averse to just that the name gave me a little Sure. Oh, no, I wouldn't listen to it for the music. You have to put the poem for the poem 100% 100% I hate I hate to say You know, because it sounds, sounds a little uncultured in shit of me, but for the longest time I had to like a real aversion to believing that there was really much even to like spoken word poem. Sure, sure, sure.

Stuff, but in, you know, not the last few years, but as I've gotten older, I've got to really like realize how much of like a skill that is and how much artistry there is to to that performance style. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm still I'm still a little uncultured. I'm still not. Are you telling me that you're not reading Rilka in the original German? I'm not. How dare you, my friend. No. The sound is better. It's all about enunciation. Yeah, it does lose something. That's the, is. That's the, the big ass. German.

It looks like a bee. I mean, honestly, for all the jokes that people do make about German as a language, real good does make it actually very beautiful. It's a gorgeous, yeah. That's the poetry does. Yeah, he's real good. He's real good.

So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. And like I said, no time no time no time no frills No time for love Dr. Jones because this kid is a mess Thank God he's having a redisots so we can make those No, okay, who are you cotton? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's having a redisots. Yeah, yeah still feels weird, but I've the I mean the Yeah, yeah, still feels weird, but I mean the The short run. Yeah, that's it. Yep. So Before we get down business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new one. Oh, that's a great idea So first and this podcast is brought to you by John Birch Society genius Grant

May the invisible hand tilt the board ever in your favor. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Ronnie with an eye. I blame you for this. Thank you. I'm a policy won. Thank you. Much next Tim the Enchanter. Thank you so much. You're an out of policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. That's a good class. Yeah. Next my dog Copernicus renounce Jesus to thank you so much. You're an out of policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. And shout out to all the Nick K fans. Listen to this. Thank you so much. You're an out of policy won. I'm a policy won. Thank you so much for an out policy walk. I'm a policy walk Thank you very much big ups red right hand and such uh-huh We have ten credits that make sure so thank you so much to The not so dulcet tones of Alex Jones makes my bones feel heavier than stones. Thank you so much. You're now, Dr. Grant

I'm a policy walk Don't give my the the radio program someone someone saturday sent me a book in a poop daddy shark bomb bomb bomb bomb jar jar binks has a Caribbean black action he's a loser little little teeny baby I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ thank you very much thank you very

much so Jordan should have read that uh... in uh... the original German yeah probably I would have rhymes. Rhymes pretty Yeah, I am intended to sort of pause a little bit in the middle and then the rhymes just kept going. Yeah, yeah, almost ran out of breath. Couldn't stop. So Jordan Today we have an episode to do and I will be up front with everybody from the jump. There's gonna be a cliffhanger at the end. This is part one of two I wanted to the next part will come out on Monday will finish this all up But there's just no fucking way this was going to all end up being one episode. It's too much. It's a mess Holy shit god. Oh sucks. Oh so

Backstory here. Yes is that a little bit before, maybe on the fourth or so of January, came to my attention that Alex was engaging in a debate on January 6th about whether or not January 6th was a manufactured event, a false flag, if you will. One six on one six. Exactly. A big celebration of the third anniversary. Murderers row of participants, and it, which we'll get through

as they get introduced to the proceedings. Right. But I saw this, and I was like, first of all, I don't want to watch this. No. Second of all, I don't think we're going to cover this because it looked like some bullshit, and I just said,

That's late plans. I just said skip this. Not good. Got too many requests from people to cover it. A lot of folks saying, I really want you guys to filter this for me. That kind of thing. I made the fucking accident of watching it. And then you couldn't stop yourself.

Yes. God damn it, Dad. As I watched it, I realized like, ah, there is some, there's stuff to talk about here. There's content. And then it just sort of cascaded to the point where I texted you and I said, there is some, there's stuff to talk about here, there's content, and then it just sort of cascaded to the point where I texted you and I said, this is going to be another fucking documentary coverage. It's a three and a half hour long non-debate debate. Three and a half hours. Jesus Christ. Yeah. And so today's episode will cover, I don't know, maybe about the first hour and a half. Sure.

And so today's episode will cover, I don't know, maybe about the first hour and a half. Sure. We'll wrap it up on Monday. Okay. Oh, man. Here we go. Get ready. All right. Strap it in.

Who are the main players? Well, before we get. I can tell you all the lineup. Okay. Yeah. Give me the lineup on the cover. Tell us as they get introduced. Sure.

Sure. On the side of believing that January 6th was a false flag. Yes. For your starting Chicago Bulls, that took 96 Chicago Bulls. We have Luke Longley. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, he's not Armstrong.

Oh, that was that was the 91t Come on come on 96 was Rodman and okay. I was a nicks fan. I don't know why either I liked you and Anthony Mason Stuff shaved into his head right right And John Stark says a big John Stark's guy. Yeah, you do love it when people get punched in the dick I don't know if that was why. Yeah, Stark's is a guy who punches people. I remember it was so validating when I was watching the Chris

Gethered show and he had John Stark's on. Yeah, he was talking about how much he loved John Stark's. I was like, I feel the same. Yeah, that is true. It was weird. So the starting lineup on that side we have Alex Jones right there in Beadey because the guy who Publishes revolver news, which is that drudge not sure and Glenn Greenwald okay, so that's on that side right on the other side You have the Krasnstein brothers, so that's two of them

One of them I think doesn't talk much at all and I fell into the habit of calling them bed as a collective name because it's Brian and Ed and I don't know which one is talking right. So they're just gonna be called bed. Are they twins? I don't know. I don't think so. You don't think so but I think one is older. They're close enough in a their Irish twins. They're of similar age. Gotcha. And then destiny. The streamer destiny is the other person who is on the January 6th actually happens. Yes.

And then we have a moderator who does not do his job. And so that's the lineup. These are the voices that you're going to hear. And the people who are going to express varying degrees of bad bad ideas, bad stuff. All right. I will say that they, I hate to say this, and it's gonna tilt my hand a little bit.

I was impressed by the crescent steens. All right. I think they're terrible, and I will use for them. All right. All right, actually, you know what? I'm gonna keep an open mind. I'm fine with that. If you have come around on thinking that you can be impressed by what amounts to a vacuous avoid

Let me be clear. Yeah, my expectations were in the toilet. That's what I was thinking so it reached like the top of the bowl Still in the toilet not a lot of people make it out of the toilet right that's just fair Yeah, so we start where the debate starts with the moderator. Right. Coming in. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the second zero hedge debate. It is an honor and a privilege to be asked to moderate this debate. I'm Ian Krosslin. I'm going to be moderating tonight and the debate tonight is going to be about January 6, 2021. Some things happened on that day and we're going to be talking about them. Or it's in a day. That's possible. We have an incredible panel of human beings that I'm going to be introducing shortly.

All right, dude, I want to talk a little bit about zero hedge who's putting on the debate. Zero hedge was a company found in 2009, so Libertarian, fiercely independent and counterculture, news organization. Yeah, so zero hedge isn't a fiercely independent and counterculture news organization. It's an extreme right wing conspiracy laden shit hole

with an adolescent understanding of being an iconoclastic or transgressive. Their level of being counterculture is their high school senior ass obsession with Tyler Durdon, who's the avatar of their site. That's who these guys are. I remember reading one of those being like, that's probably not the guy who wrote that, but they're all by the guy. Yeah, see anonymous.

Right, right, right, right, right, gotcha, gotcha. The person who ran the site went anonymously, writing under that pen name of Tyler Durden for years, until it came out in 2016 that it was actually a man named Daniel Evand-Dijiski, who is actually a former securities trader who got in trouble and banned from that field in 2008 for insider trading. Kind of ironic that this scammy financial market guy was

walking around pretending to be Tyler Durden, a fictional character whose primary ideology is rejection of money and materialism. Yeah. Kind of makes you think that maybe they didn't really understand fight club and just thought Brad Pitt looked really cool in that movie and they wanted to look cool. They did look pretty cool. He does and that's why their like avatar is him with his shirt on. Yeah, man, he's so rich.

Looks cool smoking cigarette. Fucking hell, yeah. So in addition to this being put on by Zero Hedge and held at Info War Studios, I didn't tell you that. It's in Alex's studio. Okay. This debate is also being moderated by one of Tim Pools, least competent co-hosts, Ian Crossland. That shouldn't even be authentic. You shouldn't have more than one co-hosts. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes people aren't available. So they're sort of a

little bit of a rotating weirdo crew. Brodo. I've not watched a ton of Tim Pools episodes, but in every one I do, I go in expecting to hate Lucridoski the most. And then inevitably, Tim will swing through and to lose the crown to Ian. Ian will just like outdo him. He's an amazing blend of hostile, stupid, and kooky that never fails to disappoint. All right. Even Tim's audience doesn't really seem to like you in that much. If they're red, it is anything to go by. Quote, they keep him around as a reminder

of how dumb a percentage of the population is. Quote, he's nothing but Tim's punching bag. Quote, he's there so Tim can disagree and make Tim look smart. Many people even suggest that the only reason that Tim has a year and a round is because people don't like him so much. make Tim look smart. Many people even suggest that the only reason that Tim has a year and a round is because people don't like him so much.

And that outrage is a constant source of negative attention and in their business, all attention is good attention. Tim pool is operating under the Elvis form of a entourage building. Maybe, I mean, it's some kind of people have speculated. Yeah, no, I'm understanding this, yeah. If I had to bet, it's a mixture of like this business calculation of like, he brings in negative attention

and that's great. Sure. Makes to it the fact that sitting next to Ian makes him look smart. With a little bit of, I'm sure Ian works for cheap throwing in for flavor. Right, right, right. Ian's a really interesting cat though.

For instance, who can forget this classic Ian Crossland moment? But who knows at the end of the day? What do you think Ian? Well, I'm glad glad you're more of a empath and intuitive person. I was thinking about this as like the long term. Like, where is this along the path of humanity when we look back in a thousand years, like what, what was happening right now? And what will they remember it happening?

I think what's happening is crazy. It is, is it Kanye is waking up a bunch of Jewish people and pointing them to God like last night on that Gavin Like innocent of you. I'll explain it Gavin was like I don't know about that one in yeah, Gavin's like Because Nick was saying all there's a cabal or they were saying there's a cabal of people that are preventing Kanye from You know getting to another echelon of wealth or whatever there's a cabal and then kind of like it's the Jewish people and Gavin was like I don't think they're Jewish if you don't believe in God You're not Jewish. And it's something I said last week too.

So, Gavin, if you're listening, hell yeah, dude, nice one and it's true. And I think- No, no, no, no, that's not true. Let me finish, please. I understand, but I want to, I want to, like, if you make a point, just as mine, if you make like 12 points in a row, we can't address all of them. It's called the Gishgallop. So you said a few things right now that I think need to be addressed.

One, you can be ethnically Jewish and not religious. Yeah, well, I think you need a different word for that. Okay, well, that's an important thing to make it. What is the word mean? Let's be specific. The word means, the year Jewish, meaning what? The year Jew, meaning what? Do you believe in God? That's the tenet of Judaism. That's like the tenet.

I'm pretty sure we have people here who are ethically Jewish. Their parents were, like, great, great grandparents were Jewish, then that doesn't mean that you are. You got to believe in it. It's a process. It's like an understanding. This is, my thoughts are that what's going to happen

is people are realizing like if you're fallen, if you're fallen Jew, if you've like no longer believed in this, and you're just this atheist taking advantage of people, you're going to realize that God is great, that it's like, it's there for all of us. So we're all in this together. And I think that what's happening is there's a, there's

going to be a revelation within Judaism and probably all the major religions on earth that there's going to be some sort of transformation where people come back to the faith, and it Kanye will be looked at as someone that saved the Jews. A Reformation? Yeah. I just have to say, Ian, because he returned to God. I think this may be one of the most insane things I've ever heard you share man I'm talking about what people do people let me just

They're often told they're crazy when they're talking about like let me just clarify a few things So yeah, Tim sure doesn't seem like the lunatic in that room They're saying that yay after he went on that love fast for Hitler Yeah, that he had saved the Jews you You know what I find fascinating about that? Yeah. Is there's the there's the gag on 30 rock, which is just so fucking funny, the hominim show, which is just him, which is what's his face just being like, all right, the word is sent.

And I go, I don't know, is this smell? No, it's the other one. You know, just the over and over and know, is this smell? No, it's the other one. You know, just the over and over and over again. Here's the option, it's the other one. And that's the bit, is that it's always going to be the other one. And you can never notice it. And there is something fascinating in that,

in that it is a joke. And also, there's a deeper truth that is being expressed by Ian through that, which is that language is fucking stupid. It is sometimes a barrier to communicating with people who don't understand you. That is true. That is true. And that is fascinating. And with people who refuse to engage.

Exactly. It is fascinating because there is that little bit of like, no, it's the other one. It doesn't matter what you say. You are trying to understand and relate. No, it's the other one. Right, and the other person instead of engaging is imposing their own dictates on what language means and what-

Fuck, show me what you think. No, I can't do it, it's the other one. Forever, it's always going to be the other one. But even without that confusion, this is pretty fucked up. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just saying. I'm just trying to bring that into something that made sense. Yeah. So anyway, that's the guy they chose to moderate this very legitimate and respectable

debate. This is a house full of clouds. That's a moderate. That's a moderate. The guy who moderates the debate. Yeah. That is a bold choice. It's a choice.

It is a choice. Yeah. So we get the panel getting introduced here. It begins with the twins who aren't twins. They're not twins. We're going to jump into it. I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier, and I'm going to start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves.

We have Ed Krasenstein. Yeah, how's it going? I'm Ed Krasenstein. You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian. They're twins. Thank you for pointing out that. Krasenstein, not Krasenstein. Well, it can actually be either pointing out that. Jason Stein, not Crescent Steen. Well, it can actually be either you can do Crescent Steen.

You've already lost this debate, sir. It's not steen next time. Frank and Steen. Let's, that was Alex Jones if you didn't know. We also have Brian Crescent Steen. Hey, and it's great to be here. I'm Brian Crescent Steen, known as Crasenstein on X. So, amazing how Alex Gandy even handles

shutting up for a second. And why would he? They're in his house. He's the god damn alpha. Yeah, I mean, come on, shut up. So, two thirds of the team that's on the side that thinks January 6th was not a false flag are the Crasenstein brothers.

Two dudes, we pretty much everyone further to the left of Joe Manchin thinks are complete tools. I will admit right out of the gate that I don't know all that much about them, mostly because I've never been interested. The second they came into my awareness, it was really transparent how much of their existence on social media was predicated on farming engagement, and so I just tuned it all out. They came to prominence as Trump reply guys, which I always thought was a pretty sad kind

of existence. It definitely turned out to be a shortcut for mediocre people to a mass large audience, as we've seen a ton of people who who got a lot of engagement out of that, but the futility of it just bums me out. Yeah, a lot of people really don't talk about that cottage industry of people who became famous just by yelling at the president. Weird reply guys. Twitter. Yeah. Apparently in 2018, they put out a parody book called about Trump called How the People Trumped Ronald Blump.

Boo. a book called about Trump called how the people Trumped Ronald Blump. Boo! Boo! Get off the stage! These two are here because they're the type of people who are presumably on the left who would say yes to an invitation like this. Most serious people would never get the invitation because this isn't a serious debate, but pretty much anyone who did would be able to see this for what it is, a desperate media spectacle meant to push the narrative that January 6th was a false flag. If you're someone on the left that zero hedge

and Alex Jones are inviting to be on this debate, you either have a large audience that they view as swayable or you pose literally no threat to them pushing their narrative. The Crashing Steens are in that latter group. Alex knows these two wet noodles aren't shit and he can just run all over them. I mean, listen to the, I'll, before you even begin with the debate with Alex

Jones, you should listen to your own voice and go, if I am debating Alex Jones, imagine I'm Alex. Right. Now, let me listen to my voice. It's okay. I should quit. It's not even in tone of voice. It is in delivery. It's just for everything. Everything. Yeah. There's like, it's just everything. It's just ready to be run over. And there is nothing wrong or like false to be brought about that. That is just a skill set that is not for debates.

It's just not for it. Counterpoint. It is. If you are moderated. So here we round out. the January 6 was real team. Next to next to Brian, we have Steven Bondle, known as Destiny. What's happening, man? Hey, what's up? You know me on YouTube at Destiny.

My real life name is Steven and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living. So here we have Destiny, noted live streamer and guy who argues a lot. Sure. I struggle with how to define destiny because guy who argues a lot. Sure. I struggle with how to define Destiny because I've watched a lot of his content over the years and a lot of it is really all over the place. You know how I define it?

How? Inevitable. Yes. I've just kind of seen him as a guy who accidentally backed himself into a role that doesn't quite work for him and it ends up coming out in his product. Destiny began as a very successful and talented professional gamer who had some libertarian leanings and a penchant for real heated language while he was gaming. It's a kind of standard stuff you expect to see in that kind of arena, a lot of R and F-slurs,

maybe not consciously rooted in hate, but still not good. Check, over time as Destiny streamed, he found that he liked to have conversations with people while he was playing games Which evolved into him having a debate with a guy named John Tron in 2017 This debate resulted in John Tron coming off pretty racist and xenophobic and with destiny being the one arguing against him and shutting that stuff down And that was a big deal because John Tron was a big YouTube figure in his own right in the host of the show game grumps So this blew the fuck up. Hmm

gear in his own right in the host of the show Game Grumps. So this blew the fuck up. Destiny had found a niche, and he got into a groove where he started doing debates with racists and white nationalists, which is arguably the first place that Nick Fuentes got any real traction outside of overtly white nationalist media. He debated with folks like literal Nazi Eric Striker, a ton of weirdo racist cryptors who came out of the woodwork after the 2016 election, and Lauren Southerner who Destiny would go on to become really good friends with. It really worked, and I'll be the first to admit that some of those debates are pretty interesting.

Most of the folks that Destiny was talking to were not folks that anyone else wanted to talk to, so you were able to actually hear them articulate their positions, and because their positions generally weren't very well supported, it was cathartic, because you would be able to see Destiny destroy these people. Yeah. And just cut through the nonsense they were saying. Yeah, yeah. That's nice. At that time, there was a panic about what to do about this new alt-right.

The media had figured out that there were all these shows on YouTube that anybody can access, that were talking about things like exterminating the Jews or how white people were genetically superior to other races. No one knew what to do, and in that space Destiny shined. Here was this guy who would take all comers and argue with these monsters and come up making them look bad. Sure, he called the people the R Slur a bunch, but sometimes the F-Sur, and maybe he seems a bit angry, but maybe it's weird that he insists it's okay for him to use the N-word in his private life for humor, but maybe he's the solution to these right wing folks online.

Hmm. That was the prevailing thought. And you can find people like Destiny or Vash express that they're more able to like deraticalize folks who got sucked into the alt-right pipeline because they're kind of cool. They aren't afraid to use those slurs because they don't listen to the PC police. The reason that no one else can reach these kids is because everyone else are a bunch of soy boys and the kids who are being sucked into the alt-right pipeline can sniff that out right away, but someone like Destiny is edgy and the alt-right initiates will respect that

edge. I think there's some truth to that idea but I also think it's ridiculously overblown. I'm sure that these guys did have a better track record of getting butting all right people to reconsider their beliefs than someone like Jake Tapper, but I don't know if it's the real change that they're promoting. The most high profile example of someone who's pulled back from the alt-right by Destiny's content was a guy named Caleb Kane. There's a New York Times profile about him and he made the rounds on TV and web shows

talking about how he was pulled back from the brink. But then he disappeared only to reemerge a few years later to announce that he was now conservative. Call it one on the board. And, and you know, I think that you never hear about the reversion, but you do hear about people who are like, I made it out of the hole. Or whatever. I mean, if you've ever spent, say, your entire childhood in evangelical circles,

that is the best story in the world. Right. It doesn't matter. It feels real good. A couple hours later, you're smoking crack with that guy after he gave us talk about being completely off the stuff now. Exactly. At a certain point, I think Destiny began

to resent the left-leaning audience that he'd gathered by debating racists and getting this media attention about pulling folks back from the alt-right, and that manifested in him going super hard against leftists and commas. I can understand the impulse on some level, like if you feel like your audience is going too hard in one direction to a point that it's past where you are personally, if you don't check that, you could lose your identity chasing what the audience wants you to be. But I've watched a fair amount of his content and I don't think his animosity towards the

left is just how it's cleaning and curating his audience. There's a passion behind his hate of the left that you don't see in his dealings with people like Nick Fuentes and Lauren Southerne, who he's been good friends with. At least up till recently, I don't know if that's changed, I haven't paid attention to his shit in a while because I tune in every now and again, it seemed like whenever I would see something, it would be like some personal drama, nonsense, there's a personal life as becoming content. And it just felt voyeuristic and weird. I don't feel right with this. And that's kind of where we are now. I haven't watched any of stuff for a while

and I have no real intention to in the future. I think that a lot of people have some pretty strong criticisms of Destiny. I don't know if I have as many as some people but it's not because of disagreement. It's because I don't know. He puts out a million fucking hours of content and I can't keep up with all of them.

I've seen terrible clips of things he said, but you have the standard, it's out of context and I don't have time to figure out exactly like everything, what is being said and why it's being said. So I'm sort of cautious about him as the way I describe myself. Yeah, I mean, I do see so much though that is making sense, like more and more with a lot of these guys is like, they never really believed too much. You know, what they believed was let's get popular and famous.

And then their beliefs came into play, right? And the problem with criticism whenever you get there is if the left likes you, when you fall from grace with the left, it is real. You did things that you are guilty of. And those criticisms would require you to have to change who you are, right? Or very least, I would require some kind of a, you know are. Right? Or very least do, would require you some kind of a,

you know, not a formal truth and reconciliation committee, but some kind of, yeah. It's real, but if you're on the right and you fall from, who the fuck is cares? Yeah. They're making all this shit up. So it makes sense on just like a, if you are caring only about you first, psychologically,

you are probably going to be healthier, not engaging at all. I think that a lot of people have the like point or they say the destinies are right, winger. And I don't know enough to sign off on that. But from everything I can tell, it's implication is just like more of a liberal than a leftist. Yeah, yeah. Fairly center left, which is kind of a little bit right, but definitely not like far right, you know what I mean? I mean, I think- And some bad opinions. I would say that it's at the end of the day

for guys like that, I think he's a shit talker. So as far as- That's definitely true. What their actual political positions are, those are kind of fungibleible in the moment depending on how much shit is in the process of or needs to be done talking Yeah, the other the other problem that I kind of have is that like You know, I really can't take away the fact that he has essentially through becoming really rich and famous through it Almost created that debate space. Great.

You know, like all of the blood sports type debate probably wouldn't exist in the way that it does if it weren't for destiny and the sort of proof of concept okay, he had. All right, all right, which I resent because I think that's a shitty landscape, but not all of that is directly his fault, just sort of influence.

Right, right. I mean, that feels like a job opening less than, you know, like people wanted something like that. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, I mean, for whatever you can say other people without the particular skill sets that he had of yelling and have done yelling and arguing really fast Probably could not have you know the job opening, but he fit that job right right? Yeah, yeah, he fit the job

Yeah, it's great. So we get an introduction of Alex here switching over to the other team got next to this dude We got Alex Jones Alex explain yourself Well, I don't think I'd probably need a much of an introduction But I mean I was there on January 6th and I saw what happened. And so, it's very important to speak. Should be over then, right? I'm glad everybody came. We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people debating and discussing, I'm really glad that zero hedge and their great subscription service people supporting it is financing this and so you're gonna

See a lot more of this people supporting zero hedge and so I'm just honored to be here with you guys Alex in Texas Alex brings up two very important things in that intro the first is that he was there on January 6th Wipping the crowd into a frenzy with his bullhorn until just past the point where things got too hot at which point He tried to calm down the crowd in vain. Two people who were regular figures on his show for over a decade, Stuart Rhodes and Joe Biggs were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their actions planning what went down that day.

In the UK, Tario, who has appeared fewer times on Infoers, but still was a periodic guest, is also in jail for seditious conspiracy. Alex's employee O'Ne Shory went to jail for a few weeks because he violated a deferred prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol that day. Alex is a very bad person to have on this debate because there are a ton of red flags about his associates, including uncharged people like Roger Stone, and the seemingly totally forgotten Ali Alexander. You know why they forgot about Ali and pretended that he doesn't exist and he was never

the head of stop the steel under Roger's mentorship. What? It's because he started working on the yay campaign and then it came out that he was sexually harassing underage boys. According to the New York magazine, quote, stop the steel founder Ali Alexander allegedly came on to these underage boys when they were teenagers asking for nudes from a 17 year old and pressuring a 15 year old to have sex with him. He was texting with a 15 year old who he had promised access to his political connections

and whined that they never sent him, quote, good jack-off material. In terms of the lead up to January 6th, Ali Alexander is an essential piece of it. He ran, stopped the steel, having inherited the name with the blessing of Roger Stone. When Alex made those trips to various state houses to Bullhorn and tried to sway the election, the two people who were with him were Nick Fuentes and Ali Alexander. You can't pretend that he doesn't exist and isn't a major piece of this story just because to acknowledge him reveals how closely you're associating with a known pedophile.

Because, like, Milo, if you want to take him at his word, was very clear that he knew about this stuff. Sure. Prior to it coming out Well, sure, I mean when you are painting all of your political enemies as Patifiles, it probably doesn't look good whenever all of your friends are Not all but some too many a high profile one here too many for these reasons and many others Alex is the worst person to be on a panel debate about January 6th But you see the other important thing that's revealed here This is part of promoting zeroHedge's subscription service.

By participating, everyone here is essentially agreeing to be in a commercial for ZeroHedge Premium. And I fucking hope they got paid. It's Destiny and the Crasonstein brothers, so I'm sure they're not working for free. I imagine there's some, uh, little change flying around. Man, that is, that is weak.

That sucks. Yeah, that is weak. That sucks. Yeah, that sucks. Yep. All right, let's, what, what? The Dex rig. Are they only going to be talking? What, what does that mean? I mean, there's, I would, here's what I would say.

All right, if I'm going to do this, if I'm going to do the January 6th debate, I want some physical challenges interspersed in between. Double dare stuff. There's no feed of strength. There's no There's no shaving cream slide double dare style Required I mean because listen there's gonna be shit where it's like you guys shouldn't even be talking right now I'd physical challenge go even on Alex's show they had the super male vitality belt seen Anyway, let's get this next door

All right. To your left, my right Darren Beatty. What's happening, man? Great to be here. Thank you. I'm Darren Beatty. I run a new site called revolver.news, which is reported

extensively on January 6th. And you can also see me on X at Darren J. Beatty and your truck advisor and speechwriter. Yes. And a former professor and you Trump advisor and speech writer. Yes. And a former professor. And you help quarterback a lot of groundbreaking stuff that took Carlson put up. Indeed. Indeed.

We've talked about him a little bit, but Darren BD is the guy who wanted to make his own drug reports. And it's drugs wasn't far right and Trump worshipping enough. And thus we got revolver news. Right. He's not a Trump speech writer. In fact, he was fired from the Trump administration in 2018 after it came out that he spoke at the 2016 HL Menken club meeting. and thus we got revolver news. He's not a Trump speech writer. In fact, he was fired from the Trump administration in 2018 after it came out that he spoke at the 2016 HL Menken Club meeting. That's an annual white nationalist gathering where he spoke alongside Pat Robertson

and V. Dare editor Peter Bremlow. Fun fact, the moderator Ian is one of the cohosts on Tim Poole show and Peter Bremlow's daughter Hannah is another one of the cohosts. Small world, small. Small racist world. Not enough guys. Anyway, Darren hasn't written extensively about January 6th, but he has made it his business to spread its own conspiracy shit about that day and focus very closely on Ray Epps.

You better be thinking his lucky star, he's not yet included in the lawsuit. Darren Beady is the only person who no one cares is on this panel. This is exactly where he belongs. This is like when the lineup was announced, even the Crasenstein brothers, people who are more wanted to talk about, there's more buzz about that. Do you see Darren Beady is like,

let's write on. Write on, buddy. You exist in the space that like there is a perfect hole in the universe shaped like you and that's where you go. Yep. So we get the last participant. Okay. Your favorite.

And we also have coming in remote live Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil. What's happening, Glenn? Hey, everybody. Glenn Greenwald. I'm a journalist. I'm a the host of system update on rumble. I had planned to be there in person, a little logistical problems intervened. And I wish I could be, but I'm really working for participating.

And I just want to echo Alex, I think what Zero Head is doing is so important organizing these kind of substantive structure debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have. What I hope will be a civil

and spirited debate what I expect it will be so I'm really good forward to it and I appreciate being asked. Yes, that is my job is to make sure that it maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.

At the real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have is communication. So I think tonight's gonna be an exemplary example of that. Spoiler alert, it's not. I wanna go back to Hatchet Throwing. Yeah, very Christmas. So yeah, when you think about how to have a civil structured debate, I think, you know, what you should do is get Alex Jones and the streamer who yells at everyone and calls

them the R-Sler. Yeah. And then you know what, you need someone to keep the piece and keep things on track. So you got to pull out the big guns and get Tim Poole's idiot co-host who thinks celebrating Hitler's, yay, yay, yay's Hitler shit. Whatever. He's saving the Jews. Whatever was that that meant.

This is what he means. Fuck out of here with this farce. What is that? Him saving the Jews. Whatever was that that meant. This is what he means. Fuck out of here with this farce. I understand that you want the most attention possible, so you get volatile elements together into the room and have Glenn Greenwald sacrifice what little is left of his credibility to put some polish on this thing. I understand that to make sure things do get out of control, you need an apt loser to moderate.

I get it. It's the recipe for memes and unlimited engagement on social media. Just spare me the sanctimonious shit about others. Some kind of noble pursuit of truth and understanding. You're so amazing for doing. Just wallow in the mud like the attention pigs you know you are. Yeah. Fucking assholes.

I mean, honestly, there is far less I have to judge harshly than their sanctimoniousness. Yeah. Oh, man, you're gonna get a heavy dose of that from Glenn. It is so unreal. Just like, just y'all are jerking each other off, having a fun little time stealing money from people who you don't care about.

Why are we here, right? And make a money for zero head to get people to sign up. So Ian brings things out the gate with the first question. Here we go. What a moderator. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go for this. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Let's go. The entire panel and anyone who wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you, Edson, just because you're on the end and we can move around is January 6, 2021. Was it in insurrection? And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this. This is

um, this is actually what the, it's called 18 US code 2383 rebellion or insurrection. Let me do an overhead shot. This is right out of Cornell Law here. Excellent. All right, I'm going to start reading this. This is according to the US code, whoever insights sets on foot, assists or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States, or the laws thereof Orgia's aid or comfort there too Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 10 years or both and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States It technically doesn't define insurrection. It's the code talking about what

What I guess what an insurrection is of course they use the word insurrection in the actual code itself. You could have written this in advance. Yeah, we kick things off and we're on shaky ground. Ian very much thought that he was reading off a code that defined insurrection, which could then be used as a yardstick for the participants to measure January 6th against you think. Does it meet this standard as it was coded into law? It's a real nice way to have a decent question where you get people's perspectives

on the board. Yep. Unfortunately, that code doesn't define insurrection. Ooh. This is a problem that Ian doesn't know that. It's one thing to not have a handle on the law, but it's another to be the moderator of a debate about January 6th where he planned to open with this and not realize this isn't the definition.

It's your own question. This is a further problem because in the aftermath of Colorado barring Trump from the ballot, it became a big deal that the Constitution provides no explicit definition of insurrection. That was something that every media outlet discussed because it was an interesting offshoot of the story that will obviously come into play as this has heard in the Supreme Court. Yeah. I guess they skipped that on Tim Poole's show. They're probably busy complaining about how something was too woke that day.

The insurrection act of 1807 doesn't clearly define insurrection either, which is why if he and it prepared to do his job, the first question wouldn't be, was this an insurrection? It would be, how do we define an insurrection? Right. And tell that question, Sancer. Do you have no real reason to believe these people are using the same definition for the word? And their conversation is going to be incoherent. Yep. As these people, and many people, inaccurately, attribute to my boy, Socrates, the beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms.

I think. But Socrates didn't say that. That we should have to have, let's see again, we need to stop, we need to stop with this talk debates because we all know that they're stupid now. We need to do physical challenges. You can still talk, but we still,

we do need double-deer physical challenges. I mean, I'm having having gone through this. I don't fully disagree with you. I think what you're saying is unproductive too, but I say. But yeah, yeah, exactly. Also, you have to have you have to have the word. All right, you have to hold the word party game style of like insurrection and then everybody has their definition and they have to like display it on like a name tag or something.

Let me bounce back on your idea. All right, because I think that like feats of strength are going to end up having brews like Alex win everything. So what we need is the like the challenge. We need kind of carny type games. I am talking about double dare, my friend. There is no feed of strength to finding a flag inside of a piece of pizza that's comically large.

Okay, I mean, we stick in that territory where there's an even playing field. That's what I'm talking about. I'm on board. People need to be sliding underneath things. There should be slides everywhere. Sure. Yeah. That would have spiced up considerably.

Things up. Yeah. And as we get through this, Alex is coked and drunk up enough that he would love a fucking squad. Oh, God. I would. Oh, yeah. It gets messy. Yeah.

So Ed is called on. This is maybe one of the only points that I know which Chris on Steve's song is. You know if we know for sure, it's an ass. We got it. Yeah. So he has a boring answer. Okay.

So I personally believe it was an insurrection. Speak up. And I base that on the fact that 20 court dissapecated it's an insurrection. And the fact that 20 court decisions are called an insurrection. And the fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists. I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21.

That was a statute to award the police officers medals. And it referred to these individuals as insurrectionists. So I mean, I think the term can be subjective. I think, you know, people can say nobody was charged with violating section 2383 of Title 18, which is insurrection and rebelling statute. And nobody was, right? But I don't think that defines

whether the event was an insurrection. When I say insurrection, I don't mean everybody there was partaking in an insurrection. There are people who were peaceful. People who, the people who walked into the capital and did nothing, I don't think that they were insurrectionists.

I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking inists. I think they violated law, but I don't think they were partaking in insurrection. I do think that proud boys were partaking in insurrection. I think you could say Donald Trump incited the insurrection. I do. What, that's to do. What do you think, man?

So you can almost feel Alex holding back the urge to give this dork a swirly. Yeah. That's a painfully boring answer. And it's sort of answered. There's no reason for the right wing side to even respond to Yeah, it's kind of like I feel an opinion statements and even admitting the shit's subjective So you can just reject that by having your own feelings and opinions. I feel it was an interaction. Okay. I don't

I'm aware that in past year good instincts on Ian's part to throw it to destiny inside of the other Crashing steam though you got to kick some life into this fucking thing That was that is like the definition of, oh, you're not, you're not, like you can't come to me with that. You can tweet fine and maybe you have a lot of engagement and stuff on Twitter, but this kind of talking, especially in this environment is too slow.

Yeah. And it's ineffective in the animation. It does pick up, they do get a little bit better. I'm sure. But it is pretty rocky here. I'm sure. It's just like, this is one of those things where like spending a decade as a comedian really points out.

Like before this guy spoke, you know, he says one word and is like, I could have this guy ripped to shreds by an audience. Like, there's no chance that he should be talking anywhere near somebody who can do the job, you know? Well, and that's why he threw it to destiny. Yeah. That guy can talk.

Okay, here we go. Destiny, what do you think, man? Uh, I would say the plot from starts to finish is quite obviously an insurrection. The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection which is what most conservatives do and realize it or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen or or you're not aware of all the facts of what happened. So I've made it clear that I'm pretty generally lukewarm on destiny, but I think that's a great opening volley. He's making an explicit and firm claim, not a subjective claim. And he's saying that the insurrection definitely happened and he's putting rebuttals that might be made into appropriate boxes in advance of them being made. Sure.

This is a great thing to do in most contexts, and if he was just debating Greenwald, I bet this would be very hard for Glenn to get around. Alex is a lunatic who doesn't live in reality though, so it remains to be seen if that's even effective in any way. That's sad. It's still a solid start. Sure. Yes.

It's staking a position. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And here are the reasons why you would agree with me in advance. Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's formatting. It's so it's so clearly he's like I control the structure. Like grass prepared. I know what I'm here to say. So he goes on and then the moderator. Let's read the code. I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to enact from start to finish Starting with false claims of voter fraud leading to false slates of electors that filed themselves as state electors under Purgery, which is what they did up to the violence that happened on the day of the, on the day of the certification of the vote, where Donald Trump and his friends continued to try

to delay the peaceful transfer of power by contravening the certification of the Electoral College vote. And what I wanna make sure that we don't force this into like what they wanna call a debate, debate where you gotta be wait to be called on or be called on or anything. So if any of you guys Glenn, you as well, man,

if any of you guys wanna jump in. Yeah, the two of them just went, I won't lend a go, but I just want to say something here. I was there. Cool, man. I think Destiny's got a pretty good summation of the main points here. I feel like given that I know Destiny was preparing

for this interview, he's probably going to be able to fully back these points up. That seems promising, but no compared to, you know, the way that I started things off I feel like sometimes things can be and sometimes things can not be and you can see here how little interest Ian has and actually being the moderator of this debate destiny is giving a concise and detailed answer to his opening question And Ian seems boring somebody else talk now So what are you gonna throw a pie? That's because he doesn't want a structured debate

Civil exchange of ideas. He wants to pretend That's what they're doing, but he wants an argument. He wants a fight He wants people yelling over each other because that's exciting a drives traffic And that will get more subscribers for zero-hidges premium service Yeah, now he does want to eventually, you know as they're fighting eventually say gentlemen gentlemen Sure, you know, but that's a fun. Yeah, that's fun job. Yeah, yeah, that mocus of Queens where I roll Yeah, this is a Roger's rules of order. Yeah, Robert's rules for Roger stones rules of course There we are. I like to come in pretty condescending there too

Also, I was there is definitely not an advantage in this debate In fact, some might say critically disqualifies you from having your perspective taken seriously You were actively participating in the acts that took place that day, so how can you possibly come on here and condemn yourself as an insurrectionist, and not only that, an insurrectionist failure? Consider that dynamic, because it tells you a lot about the editorial choices in terms of who they have in this debate. That concern is ignored, because the value of Alex as a source of attention, grabbing chaos

is far more valuable than having a debate with substance among people who hold different beliefs. I have a rebuttal to that. Please. I am rubber and you are glue. Neen or Neen or exactly. Look at my nose. Exactly. Oh, I poke your eyes. So Alex goes on with his, I was there. Stick. I was there. And I was investigated in subpoenaed by the justice department in at least five criminal investigations. And I was forced to testify from the Jan 6 committee, which they've now been

destroying their records because the record showed the opposite of what they said. So that's all I yeah, I looks has not been investigated at subpoenaed in at least five criminal investigations. As far as he's ever shown that number is a maximum of two and that's including

the subpoena for the January 6th committee He wasn't forced to testify there. He answered He pled the fifth to every question. He's starting things off a bit dishonest, but also condescending. Yeah, also let's I wanted to I gave up on this But I was gonna start counting all the things that Alex brings up that should be dealt with in this debate Right are gonna be ignored. Right. He makes a blatantly false claim, but because they pile up so much, it's difficult to understand the scope and scale of them.

That was in honor of Barnes, the scope and scale. Yeah, the scope and scale. I so the first one I would have point out, even though I did give up on this because it's just too much, is that the January 6th is deleted, the committee is deleting the records because the truth is coming out and it shows the opposite of what happened. Sure, that's not true. Barry Lautermelk with Carter Milk has said that some videos of depositions couldn't be located, but that they had transcripts of them.

Represented with Benny Thompson sent Lautermelk a letter explaining why a few things were not officially archived along with the other evidentiary material, which said, quote, as you also note, on December 30, 2022, when the bipartisan select committee still had control of the records under the House rules, the ice chair Liz Cheney and I sent letters to the White House special council and Department of Homeland Security regarding the select committee's loan of some then-current material containing law enforcement sensitive operational details and private personal information that if released could endanger the safety of witnesses. As indicated in the letters, the Select Committee wrote to those authorities seeking their assistance

and guidance in the proper archiving of such sensitive material to protect witnesses' safety, national security, and safeguard law enforcement operations. This was part of the Select Committee's effort to accommodate the executive branch inappropriately protecting certain sensitive information while also complying with the archiving rules of the house. The executive branch was still conducting its review of that material to provide appropriate archiving guidance at the time the Select Committee dissolved. Accordingly, the Select Committee did not have the opportunity to properly archive that material with the rest of its records, with the benefit of the executive branch's guidance

to ensure witness safety, our national security and law enforcement sensitive information. All those still archive various other places and nothing was destroyed. Alex is just lying, but that's the first of the things that he expects. He's just going to be able to assert with no pushback. And it's true. Yeah. No one don't can. Is he just, yeah, all this stuff adds up. Yeah, it is.

It does seem like it is an impossibility to just allow somebody who cannot tell the truth. Or I mean, to allow somebody who cannot tell the truth as a matter of course, not even like an attempt or in anything, just like this is what is going to happen. You have invited Alex, a barrage of bullshit is going to happen, there's nothing you can do, there's no stopping it, there he can't. Yeah. So you have chosen by the virtue of allowing this person to show up. What is going to happen? It is all written from there. Yeah. Yeah. And it's hard to imagine that it's not intentional.

I mean, it can't be. So Alex continues to go on and he makes more dubious claims. Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court. He was supposed to have another rally there. We showed up before Trump are finishing speech, people were getting tear gas and hit by bullets and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police and they broke through. And then this million plus people

then got blamed as insurrectionist and Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terror. I sense true. So here's the second thing here that Alex is going to assert and hope no pushback comes. Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court. For those unfamiliar with DC geography,

the Supreme Court building is to the east of the capital just across first street. What Alex is referring to here is that Ali Alexander fraudulently secured a permit on the northeast side of the capital ground across first street from the Supreme Court building. Ali had used a fake name for his permit, one nation under God, and it lied when they were told that the area that they were getting permit for could only handle a maximum of 50 people. I'm sorry, Ali agreed to those terms, knowing fully well that the plan was to

use Alex as a pie-piper to bring a gigantic group of people to that staging area where they would overwhelm the ability of law enforcement to do their jobs effectively. I have zero doubt that this is exactly what Ali was trying to do, but it's an open question whether or not this was done in concert with the other plans put in place by like the proud boys and the oath-keepers or if Ali's chaos was just a side thing. Just for fun. Yeah. It's also an open question if Alex knew that's what Ali was aiming for because it seems

like you could make a decent case that he didn't When she was popping off and people were storming the capital Alex was on his bullhorn still trying to get people to go to the east side of the building So if his end goal was just what was going on in front of it There's no reason that he would still want to usher people to the other side of the building I have no concrete evidence either direction, but Alex's actions kind of make more sense in the context of someone who is being used. Yeah. So this is the second untrue assertion that Alex doesn't want question because doing so opens up the door to asking how like about like what was out alley Alexander? Do you just want to get that fraudulent permit? Oh, you want to talk about who?

I've never even heard of that guy before. And that would also enemies are pedophiles. And that would also introduce questions about why Ali would agree to limit participants to 50 people while working directly with Alex to usher thousands to that location. Oh, because that was lie. Yeah, this would be a fantastic thread for Destiny to pull, because even if Alex tries

to deflect it, it still makes him look like an idiot with something to hide. And that's a defensive posture. That Alex would just yell and move on and change the topic, but it would be an interesting thread to try and pull, which doesn't give both. The rest of this is just standard J6 conspiracy talking points and it's not interesting. It is true though that folks like the proud boys had begun rushing the building before Trump finished his speech at the ellipse.

What Alex, he's saying that people were hit by bullets. He's referring to Ashley Babet who wasn't shot until 244, about an hour and a half after Trump's speech finished. He's blurring this all together because like, he's working off vibes. It's just a vibe guy. Yeah. Hey, I'm a vibe guy.

I mean, why not? This is this, what's crazy to me about this, right? Is that honestly, if it's me, I feel like Alex is toning it down too much. Wait. Because seriously, this is mine. If I'm Alex, I'm looking at these idiots surrounding me, going, this is my house, I'm clearly the only person

who can just say whatever the fuck I want, as loud as I want, and no one's gonna talk back. Yeah. Like, he does get into that headspace, don't we? Yeah, okay. He's starting off a little slow. Good, cuz it's easy. I would be fucking King Kong all over this stupid place because fuck all these people. Fuck you, destiny. Fuck you. What's your names? I don't know you again. I call them bad as I come out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But like, I think that what you're describing will be maybe tame compared to some of the directions the sense of getting.

Good, then I'm happy. Then finally for the first time I'm happy about it. But I have a bone to pick with you. I didn't get a laugh at you when I said louder milk with crowd. I swear to God, I swear to God. I was about to ask you, did I actually hear that? That happened? I was trying to slide it in and see what would happen. I rolled through my brain and I'm just sitting here like I listened to most of what you said

after that and I just kept saying he say louder milk with crowd. I can't police someone's name louder milk. Anyway, Alex goes on. All right. And Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists. So by that extension, Kamala Harris as the VP candidate was bailing people out of jail that burned down police stations and fire bomb federal buildings. So so and then the idea of Biden speech yesterday making his

whole campaign about January 6 saying political violence is never good. The Democrats, the ones that call for political violence. So I was there with a bullhorn, but I can only reach a hundred yards out because the Democrats were calling for me saying, don't go in, don't fight the police. This is a setup. And we have hundreds of videos. And so regardless what the left tries to do, they're all out there. Oh, yeah. So this is supposed to be Alex interjecting in the question. Was January 6th an insurrection? And you can see, he can't be trusted to answer a question. He's useless in a setting where you want to get any kind of actual exchange of ideas going because he's just going to do this.

He's doing his show just in many chunks. Yeah, with people around being forced to watch. Yes. Kamala Harris didn't bail out of people who were burned down buildings. She tweeted a link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which helps provide bail to people who can't afford cash bail. If you can't afford to pay your bail, you're either going to need to accept staying in jail, even though you haven't been tried, or you have to pay someone usually about 10% of what your bail is, so you can borrow it from them.

Which is bullshit. Here is tweeted out a link to them and she wasn't even Biden's running mate at that time. If some of the people who were recipients of the Minnesota Freedom Fund's assistance were violent offenders, they were still innocent until proven guilty. And as a representative of that organization said, quote, if a judge deems them eligible for bail, they should not have to wait in jail simply because they don't have the same income or resources as others with more privilege.

Now, poor people should go to jail whenever rich people can be free. That makes perfect sense. This was a perfect smear for folks like Alex the law but Harris, because in reality, what they're attacking is opposition to the cash bail system. They do think that poor people should have to stay in jail if they can't afford their

freedom. Claiming that someone, in this case Harris supporting an organization that helps cover bail expenses for poor people who haven't been convicted of a crime, it's great cover for their actual political positions which are awful. Alex is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks that Destiny is going to argue with him about the Black Lives Matter protests. After Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people in Kenosha, Destiny went on a rant saying quote, the rioting needs to fucking stop.

If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10pm, at this point they have my fucking blessing. Holy shit this needs to stop. He tends to argue that this is taking out a context and sure on one level, the point he's making is that law enforcement is unable to contain the protest that dissolve into property damage, but he's also endorsing vigilanteism

to deal with protests that get out of hand. I mean, once the problem with that, this is why I don't do that, is because the problem with that is then, you know, now it's fair game. Fuck you. It's honestly now that I think about it, Destiny's point might be further than Alex would go.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um, see, if he's expecting some kind of a like, ha-ha, you're not going to touch this one. Nope, Destiny will. So, um, Alex has some more points about January 6th that are nonsense. And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there of people taking

off their antifus stuff and putting on the. He's talking about videos that are out there and like the J6 committee tried to delete them stuff. Right. Right. Right. Right. The Trump Garb and the police fake arresting people attacking them and then high-fiving

them. I mean, this has all come out in the new footage and it's all getting. They fake arresting them. How were they fake? They would grab them and arrest them and then drag them in and then high-five them. You know, take the can, come solve them, high-five them. Those videos, what people are taking, everything I say,

they're gonna put it on X and show what I said. That's where we dominate. Yeah, you know. And so, and so, and so, and so what I'm getting at it, let me just, let me just, let me tell you this. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, what I'm getting in here is, they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there.

So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epstein, go into the Capitol. He told the Jan 6th Committee, yeah, it's true, it's in his text messages, he told family, I orchestrated it. So under pressure, they finally adopted him, but I only recommend six months.

So before I get into the substance here, Alex at the word dominates so hard there, because he knows that it's true, and he is glad to be back on Twitter. It's so easy to spread bullshit on there and his side dominates the bullshit spreading game. So I understand him celebrating that. Yeah. So there's a video of two capital officers escorting someone in handcuffs toward the exit of a building as evidenced by being next to a metal detector. Sure. They removed the handcuffs,

the person being escorted offers one of the officers a fist bump. That proves nothing. I've been a bouncer and kicked drunks out of a bar I'm working at before and they've like, given me a hug or insist on shaking my hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't mean that we just finished off pulling off a scheme. No, sometimes, sometimes for some reason,

when dudes are drunk and doing belidren shit, they can suddenly be like, appuccino and heat being like, hey, you're not, you're just doing your job too, man. We're not so different, you and I. Oh, yeah, or a plausible explanation for this is that the people who stormed the Capitol are largely back the blue type bootlickers

and went in the proximity of cops. They're likely to say something like, my uncle's a cop or try to bond in some way. That tends to happen too. If this person in the video, we're being escorted out but hadn't done anything to merit and arrest, I can easily see a cop giving them a fist bump to be polite and move things along.

The less likely scenarios that these were men who just engaged in surreptitious plots to stage a fake storming of the capital who decided to celebrate their crimes in full view of an obvious surveillance camera next to a metal detector. Do you think any officer doesn't know that their cameras everywhere in the capital, especially near a fucking metal detector at an exit entrance? There aren't videos of antifa putting on Trump gear, but they're sure plenty of messages where Alex's buddies and the proud boys like Enrique Tario and Joe Biggs are specifically telling their followers not to wear their traditional colors and to wear all black, like they say antifa does. Right. So that's weird. Yeah. Ray Epps did text as nephew that he orchestrated the event,

but he's explained that he was full of adrenaline after the riot and talking shit to impress them. There's a video of him saying that they should go into the Capitol the night prior, but if that's the standard for proving that you're a fed, then half of the employees at Info Wars must be feds. There's also a video of Epps saying something to another person just before they start pushing the barricades

to overrun the police line on the sixth Ep's and the person that he spoke to testified that Ep stole the guy not to attack the police. That's what he said to him Sure if Alex has evidence of the contrary, he's welcome to present it, but he doesn't Otherwise, this is just one of the most pathetic cases of scapegoating I've ever seen Ray Ep's got caught on camera doing the thing that every one or at least a lot of people were doing and because the extremists like Alex needed someone to blame So they could keep their revenue streams flowing. They made him the target Mm-hmm, and now he's testified that he lives in constant fear He's found like a bunch of shells on his property and stuff

Such as the fate of those who get caught between people like Alex and lying for profit Nice to see one of the Christensteins trying to step in there, but that went noodle doesn't stand a chance against Alex's bluster. That was nothing. That was even less than nothing. That was almost like legitimizing by asking for an honest answer. Yeah, could you, I'm sorry, could you clarify that? Shut the fuck up.

I understand why that might be your instinct, but yeah, it's not, it doesn't, it's not going to work. Bad. So Alex just continues to ramble. Of course. A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police. They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups. They were others. Then they opened the doors and the police wave them in hundreds of videos. They walked between the velvet ropes and then they indict over a thousand people that just walked through velvet ropes. And then now

we're told in the National Security Directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people and he had a declaration of war yesterday. All Trump supporters said to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump. So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes, I care who counts them. Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes, he cares who's allowed on the ballot. So we've already won. No one's buying this. And when this happened three years ago, the Wall Street Journal had a printer attraction,

but they said I was there as a coward telling them to take, well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on. Is this debating? Oh, if we're out of saying don't go in. We're the fuck is Ian? Ian, are you gonna help here? This is so far off track. Did he just launch into a personal story?

Yes, and three people on the panel haven't even made opening statements. Alex is just grandstanding and rattling off his normal talking points and making up complete bullshit. You know that there's a safe to do because none of this can get fully examined and scrutinized. There's no time. And if anyone tries to, there's six people on this panel.

It's gonna be so easy to drive the train right off the tracks at any point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you consider this from the standpoint of attempt to do a sincere real debate, it's already a complete failure. However, if you really just want to make a spectacle where a juiced up Alex Jones talks shit and hopefully fights with someone on the panel, things are starting off well. That's the way it's supposed to go. Yeah, physical talent is. Alex is clearly overstaying his welcome in this opening statement, which he wasn't asked to give, and in doing so, he's clearly demonstrated that the moderator is asleep at the wheel

and Alex isn't charged. Also, Alex says that the people who fought the police were led by, quote, provocateurs and other groups. I don't know about the provocateurs part, but when he says the other groups, does he mean oath keepers and proud boys? Because if he does, then yeah, that's definitely what happened. A bunch of people were led to attack the Capitol by Alex's friends in those extremist groups, and simultaneously a bunch of nonviolent participants went into the Capitol illegally trespassing and impeding the process of

the certification. I don't know what he means by other groups, but I think he probably means Antifa. I would assume Antifa. Spiden didn't announce war against the American public nor against Trump supporters, and he hasn't said that you can't vote for Trump. He did a campaign speech, which is very anti Trump because I think even Biden knows that Trump is the most likely candidate. He's not worried about running against Vivek that much is clear. Probably not. But man, even for Alex, this is getting a little exhausting because generally

when he's rambling on and on, he's alone on his show, which is socially somewhat normal. Here, there's five other participants who are looking on an an idiot moderator not doing his job. It feels so much more rude. You can feel it in the listening. Yeah. Also, that's a fake Stalin quote. Yeah. Dude, did not care about elections at all. What is everybody talking about? Yeah. Stalin, Secretary of Boris Bazhenov, which is way too close to the Rocky and Bullwinkle villains name. He claimed that Stalin said this in his memoir, but there's some historical inaccuracies in that book and there are examples of people saying this quote, not attributed to Stalin going back

into the 1800s. Sure. So it's dubious at best. Yeah. It's one of those things. Maybe he said it, but it's not an original thought of his. It's tough to write good quotes. You're not wrong.

It's tough to write good quotes and I don't know if you know this. Quote. Mark Twain. But even back then, people had been around for a while with all the words. They had plenty of them. No, there's some new words. They were, they were making up, like new words are still happening.

That's true, but you know, all the good ones, they've been around for longer than most of the people you think said that quote. Sure. Let's face it. Yeah. Yeah. Soy boy.

Exactly. That was around in the 1800s. Yeah. Losers. So Alex will not shut the fuck up. Why not? So as Stalin said, I care not who cast the votes. I care who counts them.

Well, Biden doesn't care who cast the votes. He cares who's allowed on the ballot. So we've already won. No one's buying this. And when this happened three years ago, the Wall Street Journal had a printer retraction, but things said I was there as a coward telling people to attack. Well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on Twitter. Oh, well, I was saying don't go in, but the truth is it's coming out. And so, so that's the bottom line here. And this attempt by Biden to cast the American

people as the enemy and all these movies about martial law, civil war and race war. That's their only hope because because movies corrupt evil Democratic Party and it's evil twin the Republicans. They've lost power and populism is rising quite frankly. The corrupt evil and democratic party has been evil frankly. The corrupt, even on democratic parties, has to be begun. And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want.

But I'm not calling for violence when in this politically, we're being cast as about to be violent the next 10 months. Because all these indictments and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring. And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it. Axel Rodd admits it, take a breath. Harval admits it, they all admit this attempt, like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection. This is a military tribunal, U.S. Code, from the Civil War. If a military trap-beunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant

after the war ended. Can I ask you a question? Alex, can I ask you a question? So, do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were taking an insurrection? Interesting question. I'm shocked Alex to let a question be asked. I mean, that was that that was actually really kind of him because that would be very easy to be like nope fuck you

I'm going. I suspect that it's probably because Alex has gotten vibe that I'm not worried about this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah you can ask his questions if you want little talk for 15 seconds and then I'll do another five Yeah, no, no, type five. I need a drink It's ridiculous. Yeah, oh boy. So do you think that's an interesting question? No, it's a no it's not an instant It because by virtue of asking the question you've already framed exactly what's going on. Mm-hmm, right? That's your question right there. Can you? Yes, no well then if we're already at that question, that's your question right there. Can you, yes, no.

Well then if we're already at that question, there's no point in us talking. Right. Well, but the, so when you're asking a question in a debate setting, one of the things that you should always be doing is considering what are the dialogue trees that come from this person saying, yes, true.

We're saying no. What is your goal in saying, is the Confederacy an insurrection? Sure. What happens if Alex says yes? What happens if Alex says no? And I'm not sure necessarily, well, I know that one of them ends in a dead end.

Yeah. I know that the other could possibly lead to something. But why are you expecting a direct answer? Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's when you consider how debates generally go like that with I have this idea, you're going to respond to it. I'm going to respond to your response or whatever. Yeah. Imagining that this could ever go like that is so dumb. If you're asking self-evident questions in a debate, then you're either being a prick trying to make people feel stupid, or you're revealing how much of a waste of time this

is because the point of the debate is you running up against somebody who's denying a self-evident question. It's an attempt to box Alex into something that's not a box. Yeah. And we'll see how that goes with this coke doubt ass. Do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were taking an insurrection? I mean, in retrospect, because I wasn't alive then,

I think the South got manipulated into that. I'm sorry, what? In retrospect. That's the abolitionist had a good point. That's a good point. I'm sorry. 2020 slavery was about true. The North Island. So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J6 writers won't say that the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection. That's not what I see. See, see, see, here's what happens. Hold on. That's not true. That's what it sounded like you said. We can correct the record. So do you think they were engaged in this reaction?

To talk. And the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong. And then you just said, you just said that I support what the South did. No, I didn't say you supported that. I said that you said they weren't engaged in this reaction. Do you think the Confederate States were engaged in this reaction? Was that because there were rebellions during reconstruction at the end of the civil war and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the Northern occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about southerners getting office again like.

But no, so no, I do not support the civil war or slavery. Wait, what? Not a quote confederate, but what's the answer? You are. That's like, question is, was it an insurrection? Yes or no? Yes or no? If you were, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Yes, no. Nah, nah, nah. This is exactly what you should expect in this situation.

Yeah, what are you doing? Alex is so coked out or on too much brain force that he can't even follow a simple question. The question was, do you think the Confederacy was engaged in an insurrection? Alex then proceeds to ramble a bunch of bullshit meant to deflect from the actual reality that he does support the Confederacy and his relatives proudly fought for them. It's all disconnected from the question that was asked and Alex is doing that on purpose because his mind can't understand

what is being asked and more importantly why it's being asked. The question is being asked by one of the Craycent Steens, who I can't tell the parts, so like I said, I'm gonna start calling them bad. Yeah. He's asking this because it gives a baseline for if the very obvious insurrection is something Alex can call an insurrection.

As Alex rambles to avoid the point, Destiny accurately points out that Alex is not saying yes or no. There's nothing to do with supporting the Confederacy or not. It has to do with committing to a definition because Destiny wants Alex to stake a position. If Alex says the Confederacy wasn't an insurrection, then nothing can be. If he says that it was, then that allows you to open the door to refine the point down by trying to determine what it was about the Confederacy that made their actions an insurrection. Alex doesn't want to commit to either because he likes to be slippery,

and he kind of realizes that if he slows down and gets into details, even bed is smarter than him. So Alex gets into theatrics pretending to be offended and ascribing positions to destiny that destiny never said. Ultimate irony is that Alex absolutely does support the Confederacy. I mean, yeah, this is one thing that I just hate so much about these people. I fucking be proud of trying to overthrow a country. That's tough to do. No, no, because you fail.

Most people don't. Most people don't even try. You miss 100% of the countries you don't try and take over. Man, that's true. Marked way. So, bed comes back with what he thinks is a gotcha. Yeah. A question is, was it an insurrection?

Yes or no? Yes. I have a... If you were, you know, no, no, no, no, no. The law, yes, I, I think it was a civil war. You can say an insurrection. Okay. So, is an insurrection, did anybody get charged with insurrection rebellion?

What I'm saying is... The violin statute. Did anybody get charged? No, I'm asking it. You just said it was an insurrection. Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute? Yes, people did you know because there was no statute there. That's my point. No, you don't need to You don't need you don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in insurrection This is pretty sad. Let this man run the government

So bed is trying to force Alex down this road of argument. One, was the Confederacy and Insurrection? The obvious answer is yes. Two, was anyone charged with insurrection? The obvious answer is no because those laws weren't on the books yet. Three, this means it's possible to engage an insurrection without being charged with a crime of insurrection, which means that Trump can be considered to have engaged an insurrection without being charged with that crime. insurrection, which means that Trump can be considered to have engaged in insurrection without being charged with that crime.

Bed jumped the gun, though. Alex only kind of admitted that the Confederacy was an insurrection. He said it was a civil war and he was probably getting ready to say, and you can call that an insurrection, but Bed rushed to try and get to stage two of this dialogue. Right, right, right.

This is stupid because Alex is just gonna say whatever he wants and he doesn't care about some dumb gotcha moment. And this entire thing falls apart because of the flaw in bed's premise This situation between the Confederacy and Trump are not analogous because in the present day those laws do exist Yeah, the people who are not being charged with the crime of insurrection when the law didn't exist isn't doing the heavy lifting that he thinks it is Exposed facto laws which would charge people for crimes they committed prior to those things being a crime, are explicitly against the Constitution.

The US was going to charge many of the Confederate leaders with treason, but decided not to prosecute them. And Andrew Johnson mass-partened every member of the Confederacy that wasn't charged in that group who ended up not getting prosecuted anyway. So odds are that these people wouldn't have been charged with insurrection, even if those laws were on the books. Probably because they've just been a civil war and people were tired. The easy way around this is to not get hung up on the word insurrection.

Like the only reason that's a buzz word is because it's a word that's used in the statue that Colorado's cited to bar Trump from the ballot. In terms of the conversation about January 6th, that's just a distraction. Go with sedition. Multiple of Alex's close friends are in jail for that right now. Yeah. All of this, everything that's happened so far is not really that important. In less, this is not a debate about January 6th, but in fact, is Trojan horsing a debate about the Colorado decision not to have Trump on the ballot, which I don't think it, I don't even know if that's the

intent, but it seems to be that's the way things are going. I think there is an interesting question that is not being asked. And that is, is secession insurrection? Mm-hmm. Or, or, no, better bet. Is there a peaceful way for you to leave the country? Yeah, is there a peaceful way for it to do? Where are the bloodless coups in the past?

No, no, I mean, for South Carolina, for South Carolina to say we are no longer part of the state this country We voted we're not part of the United States anymore. I don't see there a peaceful way because the United States is gonna Reason or now, uh, whatever But I mean the idea being no, you can't take our stuff. Sure. Well, I, obviously, the European Union isn't as deeply entrenched as the United States. Sure.

So the idea of Brexit actually happening, I don't think lens credit credence to the possibility of a state seceding peacefully. And that's also a union that was made up of sovereign nations pre-in advance as opposed to a bunch of states that tried to become one. Yeah. I think that intense circumstances, I think you could paint a picture where like that is possible, but I think it's almost impossible.

I think it's functionally impossible. Well, I mean, you would have to negotiate who gets your stuff. True. And you'd have to negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the United States and things like that. It would be like from a sort of functional logistics standpoint, it's almost inconceivable. But just from a, could they, in theory, peacefully decide to vote,

it would probably have to be an overwhelming amount of vote. just from a could they in theory peacefully decide to vote? Right. It would probably have to be an overwhelming amount of like vote. Because in order to amend the Constitution, right, you need two thirds of all the states. Yeah, you need a civil war. So, but let's say that South Carolina in this example voted 80% and it was a legitimate vote to see. Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't, I, it might prompt another civil war, but maybe it's possible. Well, I mean, because then the answer is the land is ours.

So if you don't want to be part of the United States, you have to go South Carolina and we'll put United States people back in there. That's the, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. No, so, I mean, the reality is there's no peaceful way to do it. I think you're probably right. So, this is it, so the idea of this question is stupid.

You wanted to not be the country anymore. That is a violent thing. So, moving on. But you didn't think there was a good catcher? Mm, sorry. No. Sorry. So, I mean, look, this is the, it descends into what I would

describe as incoherence. Because the Civil War was an insurrection. I know, but you got charged with violating that. No, that's what I'm saying. That's why point out, you're changing subject. Let's say you have to be convicted under the 14th Amendment of this before you can be. You can't, you can't just be convicted under the 14th Amendment. You get convicted under the section 2333 of Title 18. Well, let's slow down a little, let's slow down a little congressional election to give awards to Capitol police is not a conviction of Donald Trump to remove him from the ballot. He's been

indicted for saying they stole an election. So now they want to tell you about the ballot. Did he play a hit on the back? He hasn't been behind it. Which is pure stealing of an election. I think this is not, he's not a bit, he's the Yankee Yankee. He's not somebody in Georgia. He's not Robert E. Lee. This has nothing to do with it. I know, but also I think the point. On the 14th Amendment, it doesn't require a conviction under such a degree.

I literally put it on the text on the screen. It doesn't say it needs to be convicted. I guess we need to define the difference, Alex, Alex, Alex. One second, we need to define the difference between the casual term insurrection and the legal definition of insurrection. Yes. Well, there's another thing we need to talk about. So yes, there's the casual term. There's the etymology of the term insurrection

which is at least just arising up. So by that definition, that could encompass a wide range of things. What's the matter? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I love Darren Beanie being like, shh, shh, shh, shh, calm your racism for a moment, Alex. Don't get ahead of the ball.

Big picture here, though, these guys are having different conversations about different things and it's a complete waste of time Destiny to his credit is doing the best he can with like without just constantly jumping in So I'm gonna excuse him in Glenn from this since Glenn hasn't shit said shit since alone wise move Glenn The question on the table is whether January 6 with an insurrection which you could be generous and assume that bed is still trying to nail down. You don't have to be convicted of insurrection for something to be an insurrection, therefore the participants of January 6th were engaging in an insurrection, even though none of them were charged with that statute. You could argue that that is what bed is trying to nail down. Sure. Meanwhile, Alex is having a conversation about Trump being kicked off the Colorado ballot. He's so far past caring about the question of whether or not January 6th with an insurrection, which makes sense. In that minutes-long rant, the moderator let him go on, he said that his sight had already

won, so he's just moved on to pretending this is just a talking head show on Fox instead of a debate about January 6th between his dumb ass and people who don't agree with him. Yeah. Bad doesn't understand that Alex is having a different conversation and Ian doesn't know what's going on, so he's helpless to get things back on track, but he does try. But you notice that when Alex is just ranting

and saying bullshit unchallenged, Ian doesn't really do anything. As soon as Bed pops in and points out that Alex is wrong and Alex gets to f**king... Gentlemen, gentlemen, excuse me, gentlemen! Hey, hey, hey, hey, everybody, we need to slow down. No need to slow down Alex when he's on a tangential Coke rant, but as soon as Alex is in trouble,

then everyone needs to cool out. Almost like the moderator and the subscription service that funded this shit are on Alex's side. Does seem very similar. Ian does come in with the goods, though, and says that they need to disambiguate the legal and colloquial understandings of the word insurrection. It could have saved us a lot of time from the jump, but oh well.

And then as soon as the moderator is provided some sort of guidance to get us back on track, Darren Beanie comes into some fake intellectuals' nonsense about the etymology of insurrection, making sure we're distracted off the point once again. Darren is fairly right, though, that insurrection comes from the Latin root in surgo, which means to rise up, but it almost always has the connotation of rising up against something, generally specifically from within that thing. This is intellectual masturbation though, because everyone understands that over time

words take on connotations. And generally speaking, insurrectionist is the negative version of revolutionary. Call January 6th an attempted revolution if you want. The point is the same. It wasn't tipped over through the government. Like you could put whatever flavor on it you want. You want it to be positive about it, be negative about it,

whatever. I'm not gonna put more. Yeah, I mean, you want it to be positive about it, be negative about it, whatever. I'm not gonna put it. Yeah, I mean, honestly, the overthrow of the government part is neutral. Not to them, but that's because they tried to do it. Right, right, right, but I mean, like, it doesn't matter which side you are on in any situation or whatever side.

Well, it's descriptive. Overthrowing the government is just overthrowing the government. There was one, then there's gonna be another one Yeah, don't worry about it. Generally it's what the reason for it is the thing that you should really try to spend to most of your time Litigating exactly and that's not gonna happen. No. So anyway blow hard as beady. Here we go beady Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems, so that's not even, I think, a proper standard.

Think the proper standard is the sweep of a proper historical perspective. Does the event of January 6, compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing the Civil War. So if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection? My question is, is the scope and scale of the event of January is comparable to the Civil War because Joe Biden has directly made this comparison, which I think is flatly ridiculous, and that comparison has to be valid in order for these ridiculous section for three arguments to have any force or legitimacy.

And I think any common sense. It's a lie. I'm going to shut up. It's a lie on its face. They're a complete fucking dumb shit. If there's any lie on its face, it's as Alex is going to shut up. That is never going to happen. Yeah, that's crazy.

And guess what? The Civil War is both comparable and not comparable to January 6. They're comparable in the sense that they're both attempts to overthrow the federal government of the United States, but if you try to say that, Darren is going to try and pretend that you're saying that they're comparable in terms of scale and impact because that's an indefensible position to hold. And to be clear, the conversation that had to do with the Civil War wasn't was the Civil War in insurrection, it was was the Confederacy in insurrection.

The question as it stands in the debate should be understood not just to be about the war, but the things that led up to the war that the confederacy did. Darren has fundamentally changed the subject of this conversation in order for him to try to set this trap and pretend that Biden thinks that January 6th is comparable to the Civil War in terms of scale. That's because he's a rhetoric trickster. There's literally no reason to accept the framing that in order to call January 6th an insurrection, it must be totally comparable in scale and scope to the Civil War.

It's a ridiculous claim that even Darren knows is idiotic. Also, let's not miss the fact that Darren Beaty believes that they're politically weaponized courts. So laws are not good standards to base enforcement of laws on. With this understanding, I can't imagine what crimes he wouldn't defend Trump for committing.

It's just pointless. I find This thought interesting. Yeah, all right, so America doesn't win the Revolutionary War no United States, right all of those people who did the Boston Tea Party thing Mm-hmm Are they the whiny people that we're listening to right now? They have to be right? They're the exact same whiny losers that we're listening to right now

if they lose the American revolution. They go, oh no, we've just getting rid of Tea Party. Or they were just blaming, oh, it was Native Americans who did it. These people are all fucking cowards if they lose. All of them, pathetic. I think, yeah, the opportunity was just a little hotter back then Yeah, they just fall broke in different directions. We're people. Yeah, that's discussed

I'm so fucking disappointed now. Yeah, all of these people are coward. I hate them I fuck George Washington right up in his face. I feel like this kind of energy would have helped with this debate I think I would have liked it. Yeah, now I'm kind of in. So, bad decides to try and sidestep this civil war discussion. Sure. And go with another example of a possible insurrection. What about 1992, the LA riots? George Herbert Walker Bush, he invoked the Insurrection Act. 12,000 people were arrested.

63 people were killed. Hundreds were injured. Was that the insurrection act. 12,000 people were arrested. 63 people were killed. Hundreds were injured. Was that an insurrection? What do you guys think? No, it's a declaration of federal martial law. What was it an insurrection? Because nobody there was charged with violating, nobody there was charged with violating section 2383,

the insurrection and rebelling statute. But we still consider that an insurrection. I have an A. by the yardstick, Kamala Harris, bailing people at Fire Bomb, federal bill. That is lent. Glenn, talk to me. You have something to say. Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important.

First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things. God, it comes from YouTube to be where you have to declare yourself on one side of the other. So, Destiny said, oh, everybody, either hates this interaction, thinks an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good. And there's so much middle ground. So, bed asks about 1992 because it's a clear example of a time when the Insurrection Act was invoked to control and uprising uprising and yet no one was charged with insurrection. Right.

This is kind of coffin nails to the argument that Alex is making so he tries to deflect and bring up his incoherent talking point about Kamala Harris. Sensing Alex's in trouble, Ian throws it to Glan, who then laments about how polarized we've become because of online debates. Guess what? Dipshit, you're currently in one of those stupid debates and all the promotional material was real polarized with your dumbass on Alex's side. I guess it's like they say, let he without dignity cast the first stone.

Fucking condescending fuck. Glenn goes on to then mischaracterize Destiny's opening point. Destiny said that people would argue that January 6th wasn't the culmination of a concerted effort to overthrow the election carried out by Trump and his team either a Think that to no action could ever constitute an attempt to overthrow the government be they actually support the overthrow of the government whether they realize Admitted or not or see they don't know what actually happened that day But this is how Glenn characterizes that So destiny said oh everybody either

Hates this interaction interaction thinks in an insurrection or they deny it happens or they think it's good. And there's so much middle ground. Glenn isn't pose a polarization on to destiny's words in order to pretend to be above it. And like he has some kind of enlightened nuance position, but that's bullshit. They pull, they put out promotional material for this debate. And he's on the red team with Alex and Darren. If he didn't consent to that and he has the kind of complaints He seems to care about so much here. He should have canceled because otherwise you look like a dick Well, I mean he is so in a way this is just a man embracing himself

Yeah coming into his own condescending fuckery And if that man is a dick, there you go. I think we've all figured it out. So Glenn's got a little bit of a middle ground here, and he describes it, definitely smoothly and very... He doesn't get interrupted a lot. I think that's probably because he's there remotely. Yeah, that would make sense. And because Alex is an obsequious dick.

And there's so much middle ground, namely that for me, this was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engage in violence. I don't think we want to urge that to happen. We don't want to defend that. I consider that lamentable. But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using. This was a three hour riot that was extremely easily subdued.

It does it remotely compare to any prior insurrections let alone to the Civil War. The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose because these were not exactly a well-trained militia. And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with. And he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones. He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection. For reasons that I think we ought

to ask ourselves why, but the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately started lying about what happened, saying that Brian Sikdick was murdered when he had his headbashed

in through a fight with the fire extinguisher only for torn that actually called his mother that night. He was fine. He died the next day of what the coroner said were natural causes. his head bashed in through a fight with the fire extinguisher only for to learn that actually he called his mother that night. He was fine. He died the next day of what the corner said were natural causes because the media knew that if you can't say that even one person supposedly perpetrating the insurrection killed anybody, pulled out a gun, let alone discharge the weapon, all of which is true. It's a joke to call this an insurrection at best it's a riot. Hey dipshit there was a riot inside and around the capital of the country where people were wandering around searching

for politicians chanting hang Mike Pence the media didn't need to lie to sensationalize anything it just so happened that some of the early reports particularly one the one about Brian's picnic were inaccurate yeah and this dipshit is also failing to mention the two people, Julian, Cater and George Tanios, were both charged with assaulting Brian Cycnic. Cater played guilty to pepper spraying Cycnic aggressively and was sentenced to six years in jail. And not for nothing,

but the media didn't just make up the story to sensationalize things. They were reporting what the Capitol police told them. That could have been an instance of the police not always being the most honest when interacting with the media, or it could be an issue of bad information being conveyed by no intentional fault of anyone along the chain. It's entirely possible that there was a miscommunication along the line, and this incident where

Siknik was attacked with pepper spray got mixed up with the incident on January 6 where Robert Stanford Jr. hit three Capitol officers in the head with a fire extinguisher and through a traffic cone at them yelling traitors. He was sentenced to 52 months in prison and immediately sought out therapy to recover from what he describes as cult programming that led him to attack those officers. What I'm saying is that there are explanations for the inaccurate reports about the cause of sycnic stuff that have nothing to do with the media lying about because they're so desperate to turn this into a dramatic story. If you can hear Glenn say this.

The fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately started lying. If you can hear that and not immediately get what kind of a dipshit he is, then you're not thinking straight. Oh yeah, thousands of people overtaking the Capitol building in an effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power

That's not even a big deal. Just a minor story says very serious and sincere journalist Glenn dipshit I'm being a little mean and I recognize that but it's only because with Glenn You know he knows what he's doing Alex is a coked-out idiot living in an oxygen oxygen deprivation hallucination for 40 years So you can write him off, but Glenn he knows what he's doing doing. So I have a little more iron for him, perhaps than, than Alex. You know, it's, it's more indefensible. It is, it is very much a guy who's, who's like, almost always got an a nice stinker kind of act towards him whenever. And he's really condescending. Yeah, and it's like, fuck, you're, oh, I've got to hate him. He hates him so much. Yeah.

And you know that the history has a trajectory. And it came from a place that was better. Yeah. So anyway, Glenn, series journalist, right? I mean, he's nuanced, respectable. People used to say that. I think it was a credence to it. 20 years, man.

Yeah. I feel so old. Because I was alive when Greenwald wasn't a giant piece of shit. And he's gonna get real condescending about people's ages and stuff a little later. And I was so excited watching Citizen 4. It was so thrilling.

It's like, oh, this means something. This is cool. Fuckin' hell. That should have a disclaimer on it now. That movie should have to be like re-shot from start to finish. It's that trajectory is like, it just calls to mind a slide whistle. Yeah. So anyway, fuck this dude.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection. The only time he ever commented on January 6th about whether he thought there should be violence or not was when he said the following. He said, I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. He urged them to be peaceful and how they went there.

Settles it for me. Violence, I think you can make the arguments. That's a man who always meant the words he said. They were there with the ones that urged it, but even if the people who were there with the

runs responsible, at best this is a riot. You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots were as a part-grader and insurrectionary threat that anything that happened on January 6. That's perfectly set.

I would ask the left over here. I know Ian's asked the questions. I mean, I don't know. There's a part greater insurrectionary threat than anything that happened on January 6th. That's perfectly set. I would ask the left over here. I know, I don't, Ian's asked the questions. I mean, I don't know. Did you guys see Biden speech? I mean, it's an hour long. What? So, man, so weird.

Have those are the only quotes from Trump speech that Glenn thinks are relevant. I'm just looking over transcript. And it seems like he missed some stuff. Like the part where he smirks while the crowd chance fight for Trump after he tells them that he won't let the Democrats deal the election. Sure. What about the part at the end where Trump said quote, and we fight, we fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. Yeah, that one's tough to go and miss that. It seems like an honest mistake that is sincere and nuanced journalists can make.

As for Glenn's point about the riots in 2020 being a bigger insurrectionary threat, my first question would be, do you think the fact that they didn't happen at the Capitol building on the day of the election involving a giant mob of people who believe they have the blessing of their God King to fight like hell to overturn an election might make this a little more serious than a burn police station or eluded target? And once again Alex just steamrolls E in as the host and essentially decided that this is show which of course it is. Alex doesn't want to talk about January 6th in this January 6th debate because he knows the destiny at least isn't an idiot and he's prepared So he tries to distract often Biden's speech from last night. What is he doing? I I mean what's Ian doing? Well, yeah, that's I mean I

What is the debate about it's supposed to be about whether January 6th was a manufactured event That's the debate right whether it Whether it was a manufactured event. A false flag. If you will. All right. That's what the debate is about. And if you squint pretty hard, you can find a little bit of connective tissue and some of the stuff that they've been saying that relates, but not much. All right. So, okay. So if we're supposed to be kidding to the fucking bottom of whether it on it was a false flag Where does that even start? Well, I assume it would start with trying to demonstrate that everything bad

Was precipitated by agents provocateur and that that's probably where you would go about it and and stuff like that. That's probably where you would go about it. And this is tough to sit through. It is. This is tough to sit through. Yeah, and Alex will be more fucked up as this goes along and so it becomes a little bit more interesting. Yeah, that'll make it easier. But for now, like Alex is just veering off

into talking about Biden's speech. Yeah, I'm trying to focus on words. I don't want to focus on these words. But this really threw me off. Okay. I mean, I don't know. Did you guys see Biden speech? I mean, there's an hour long that no one there was good. They were all there. A million, I'm over a million people. I was there. And then we marched down there to have another rally. And then I see this hell, this terrible thing happening. It was been evil. And then,

and then Biden saying they're all bad. And we can't let you vote for Trump. I mean, it's, I mean, come on, man. We have a clip from this, from Biden's speech. I want to play and then you can't do that. If you guys have this, it's clip number four, Biden's speech. What? How does he, he's prepared in some way, which is terrifying. He has a clip ready to go.

I don't know, I don't know, man. I don't even feel like he's trying to turn this into a debate. I don't think you can call it that. This is a game of playing like, let's let shit heads talk while token liberals. We invited here politely wait their turn. That isn't coming. Yeah. That's what this is. This is, this is sad. Yeah. This is, I mean, it is hard to imagine that you're, you're not like, just cash on a check if you're destiny. I imagine I can, I can believe that the Crasenstein's are sitting there going like, oh, I can't wait for my turn to talk because I'll change some minds. I'll get I'll tell him about Ronald Blump.

It was bored dumb, dumb. But destiny has to be like, all right, well, here we are. Check. And then I know from listening to destiny and here, you know, watching some of the streams and stuff. Yeah, subscribe to a position where you go on to debates, especially like this was as ethos with, like, white nationalists and Nazis that he, he would debate with, is that like,

40% of the audience has already decided that they agree with you, 40% already agreed to decide it, to decide it with the Nazi. And then that 20% in the middle is the people that you really care about. And maybe you can sway some of them. Sure. And whether or not that, I don't believe that's true.

I think it's way lower. That's yeah, that's childish. But whether that motivates his participation or some kind of like, this will be fun. This will be ridiculous. What's that question? I'm not sure. And it would be hard for me to of like, this will be fun. This will be ridiculous. What's that question? I'm not sure, and it would be hard for me to ascribe, like necessarily his motivations,

but if it is something where the 20%, maybe I can sway some of them. Sure. It's misguided. Right. Well, I think my problem that I'm feeling right now is that it seems like nobody's having fun. Destiny will in a little bit.

Okay, because this is bumming me out. It's like what are you guys doing taking this seriously? Oh like Destiny starts control Alex a little bit. Yeah, you're all clowns. What are we doing here? Yeah, throw a pie for fuck's sake Well actually after they play the Biden clip you can kind of see the first part where Destiny's kind of just like I'm gonna go ahead and take control of pardon the expression by my own destiny. Written. You can't be pro insurrectionist and pro-American. You know, Trump is a great supporter. He's not only in grace, political violence, but they laugh about it.

The insurrection is the open-border. So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards. I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened. And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia Rico case has alleged against Trump are saying that, in fact, not much of the focus is on the story of Ryan at all. Not much of that.

Hold on Alex. Let's keep it finishes thought first. So not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three-hour read it itself. The unprecedented act that there is no answer for, that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in, is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change

their vote. And then when they wouldn't do that, beg them to elect different electors. And then when they wouldn't do that, create a plot to create fake electors. And then when Pence wouldn't accept that, create a plot to create fake electors. And then when Pence wouldn't accept that, try to capitalize on that final three hour riot at the capital building to also make phone calls

and tell people to de-certify their vote or to switch their electors. J.S.K.A.F.D. Obama. That is the old journalist. Yeah, there you go. Can you still do it? No, they didn't.

I can explain that if you want. Yeah, please do. We don't. Yeah, it's a shut up. So in 1960, so in 1960 So 1960 JFK and Nixon. There was a dispute because there was a recount. I think JFK ended up winning by like 150 votes. At the time, each state decided or the state decided to certify two sets of elects. They decided to choose two different slates of electors.

Depending on how we're and they were certified by the state. They were in the middle of a region. Well, try to get a certain. Not no, is certified yet. Neither state was to stay. What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that no, the election is thought of crap.

Yeah, so times are tough in these parts, but destiny just kind of cutting through the bullshit is a breath of the fresh. Yeah, that's nice. Let him talk. Shut up, Crasse. Jesus Christ. These people are spinning themselves into knots about the definition of insurrection and the casual verse legal definitions. Well, all the the while like they're having to completely different conversations

neither of which really get to the crux of the matter of why January 6th constitutes an insurrection. To Destiny's gradity varies succinctly laid out how the event on that day was part of a much larger picture and that larger picture is what people care about and is the insurrection. Yeah. And along the way you can hear Alex trying to lay out his standard talking point rebuttals, but Destiny will clearly have prepared and know the truth about those points. A real tragedy is bed jumping in and trying to field this one about Hawaii, whereas Destiny definitely could have handled it better and quicker. But I hate to say this, but I think the Destiny might do better against Alex Glenn and Darren

three on one. Oh, by a wide margin. Yeah. You get the sense that bed is just kind of getting it going to get in the way. They are not helpful. No, but they're trying. And so they just, yeah, I mean, it's like they just do not, it is, it is 100% a knife to a gunfight with the bed. I do think so. It's just like, listen, fellas, nothing against you. Nothing against you might You might also get in a few slashes. Sure. It's possible, but you're not going to win that.

You're not going to win. You should stay home. But Alex can also destroy his own points, which you does with this JFK thing. That is fair. Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory crap that the election was stolen. They did. He took it to court.

62 cases. That's not true. 30 cases were looked at on merit. Sure. They're all shot down. That's a separate. That's a separate. Take him on the ballot.

That's a separate. Is an obvious form of election theft is taking some of the ballot. Let's get back to the 1960s really fast. Oh, you can clearly see how Alex's point with 1960 and the Hawaii electors is falling apart. And so he tries to pivot into talking about Trump and Colorado. And it's not unsuccessful. Yeah, to the two beds credit, you know, it's reeling it back in to the point that they were discussing and so whichever one of the chris and steens it is tries to finish up explaining the JFK situation yeah what happened was that they did a recount and Kennedy ended up winning by

I think 150 votes and they chose the Kennedy electors they certify the Kennedy electors and Kennedy ended up winning that state. That's what Trump said. What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors. They refused because the court said there's no there there. And then when that didn't go through, Trump decided to get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried

to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes. I just need to interject really quickly. So if we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th. And so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technically speaking outside the scope of Sorry Excuse me There It's a weird odera and as a problem to the school off the selected topic now

Someone get a wheelbarrow because those balls are fucking huge You didn't seem to have a problem with Alex and Ian playing a clip from a speech Biden gave last night And Alex rambling about Kumble Harris bailing out hardened criminals that sure was fine But now when you want to discuss the context of what led to the events of January 6th no no no As outside the scope of the debate that I do want to hit him I do feel like I should be able to punch him one time. Maybe a pie. Yeah, I think that one, that one.

Listen, how dare you? This is outside the scope of the debate because if you include it, it's a lot harder for people on DARREN's team to spin their bullshit. Yeah. Because the context of what happened is not a simple matter of illustrating intent on Trump's part. It also illustrates the persistent and aggressive ways

Trump was priming the people at the Capitol to do exactly what they did. Yeah. It helps make it clear how that could have happened without Antifa provocateurs needed. Yeah. Bringing this fuller picture into the conversation leaves a lesson room for people like Darren to insist that agents provocateurs are the only logical explanation for what happened. And I think this splitting hairs about the word knowingly is a bad idea. The people on Trump's team absolutely knew that their election fraud claims are lies.

I mean, yeah. But I'm interested to see the direction the destiny takes to try and push back on this. Because a do a ball could break in a number of directions. I'll tell you, splitting hairs on adverbs always a bad move. Mm-hmm. Always a bad move. Yeah. Yeah.

Because you could do a lot of things different leeways. Mm-hmm. I expected better of myself. It didn't even make sense. You know what the problem is? You can edit that out. No, not. I'll leave it in.

I can wear, uh, wear my scars. I've never heard you edit anything out for that reason before, but that I think you might. No, I'll explain why I think I tried to make some kind of a pun that I could use to move along or something, because I'm keenly aware of how many clips there are. Oh my god. It's just, it's a burden the ways on, man. Yeah, geez. But we're gonna survive.

We're gonna survive. People like long episodes. Sure. So, Darren, he explains here that Trump legitimately thought he won. And then shit falls apart. The idea that Trump bought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging. No, he believes, I guarantee it, whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to

him at the advice of his legal advisers. That is not true. Most of his legal advisers, most of his legal advisers said, most of his legal advisors said most of his legal advisor said that this idea was raised well no but if you are hard enough to search hard enough you have to find anybody to validate an opinion but what you've just done is what I opened with which is saying he thought the election was stolen therefore he was justified to engage in insurrection that's's right. That's about the balance. That's the only anywhere sex. That's for the Supreme Court to decide.

That's for the Supreme Court to decide. I'm asking questions. That's I'm telling you. That's for the Supreme Court to decide. Pretty clear answer. Yep. I guess the best case scenario for Darren Beady here is the Trumps of Delusional Moron who got tricked

by nefarious legal advisors into trying to overturn an election. Four more years. It doesn't seem good. Four more years. I don't want to psychoanalyze people, but I wouldn't be too surprised if somewhere deep down Trump definitely knew that he lost, but his ego wouldn't allow him to accept that.

So he embraced a firm external posture of denial. In practice, that would be indistinguishable from someone actually thinking that they won. It's possible. Sure. But you can see how things are gonna go. Alex says, accurately assess the destiny prepared and isn't going to be tricked by his stupid evasions,

so there's just gonna be a lot of yelling. Yeah. There's going to be interruptions yelling. I believe that this is the one true thing that I will 100% take credit for. I called that. What, the yelling? I called Trump not leaving office.

Oh, yeah. And the thing is, I still, and I think the reason is still the same. And I think we're saying it right now is because as long as you're the president, you can't go to jail. And now the question is, can you, if you're not president, if you were president, can you, it's a, it's a, you avoid future jail by becoming the president again. Exactly. Yes. It's all about the jail. Yeah. Well, I mean, these are interesting legal questions that are good to have solid answers to. Yeah.

So we had that there, Alex Badgering destiny for an answer. Destiny gives an answer. Yeah. And not the right answer. We're just going to yell over you. There's some more yelling. Okay. Roger that.

That's the only anywhere six. We're not. That's for the Supreme Court. That's for the Supreme Court. I'm actually a question. That's I's pretty important. That's for the Supreme Court. I'm asking questions. I'm telling you that's for the Supreme Court to decide. According to according to section three of the 14th amendment, it's a bit rather than as the action that brings the tech people off the ballot.

What that's that's not even remotely relevant here. Oh, okay. All right. So you know what you know what the United States and you. Here we have probably paid it. We want a solution. You know it. That's bring it. It would be for things like circumventing the vote like asking the United States, we use point here. We have probably a panic talk. We do want an suppression. You know it. Let's bring it. It would be for things like circumventing the vote, like

asking the vice president, for instance, to unilaterally win the election. That would be something that we might sanction for somebody because they make up a bunch of stuff and he's not found guilty anywhere, but you guys just paraded over your like, there's a lot of the Constitution. That's your fault. Alex, if you don't like the Constitution, that's really then why you saying that section three of amendment 14 requires a conviction Alex why did you say that section three of amendment 14 requires a conviction?

I do put the text on stream. I would love to do that actually And Before you keep saying all right guys I don't I don't find you yelting who boy I was good a chilling thing that Alex said there is that if we were doing an Insurrection you'd know it which seems very cool and very chill. Alex got so fucking lost there that he had to retreat to Transphobia with a two-ben having a baby business.

Is that what he was doing? Yeah, it's what he was doing. Jesus Christ. That is desperate times, my man. That is. He doesn't know who he's dealing with here though. Destiny is debated a ton of really horrible people who say terrible things and he's seen a lot of distraction tactics first hand

You know how to deal with them if Alex thinks this kind of shit is a gotcha He's in for a long day of yelling. Yeah, it's interesting to see here though The when Alex is floundering the reinforcements come around and there seems to be a little bit more moderation That's so weird. Oh so weird just just you know what and also I'm out on the Constitution now too after I find out that all these Bust and T-Partyers if they had lost the Revolutionary War would have just whined like Alex Wait hold on the whole Constitution the whole country because I'm out you've thrown it out because of counterfactual I put so that it go you decide After factual, hypothetical, you decided to read about what happened if they lost the revolution. Okay.

That sound, that sound, my man. Well, it's about as it's what would happen to my brain if I was forced to listen to the entire debate. I would be like, you're right. No more constitution, country bad. Coked out Thomas Jefferson arguing with a British destiny. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy.

I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. I'm not a good guy. Glenn's, Glenn's in remote from Brazil. So Glenn, anytime you have something to say, it's helpful for me if I see a visual cue, maybe your hand goes up, I can tell you have something

you're going to say now, but let us know. Let me, let me just say what happens is when you gather together to debate a particular question, you're supposed to debate that particular question, the particular question that we were presented with is we're going to debate January 6th, and whether it was an insurrection. Now, I don't blame destiny and add for not wanting to debate that,

for wanting to debate all sorts of other issues. What the fuck? If Glenn is so upset, the destiny thinks the question of whether January 6th is an insurrection involves the events that led up to and caused it. Why the fuck is this is showing the same IroTorps Alex for complaining about Joe Biden's recent speech and playing a clip from it, or his inessent shoot about Colorado taking Trump off the ballot. It seems like only one side is capable of being off topic, and that's because it's going to goddamn dipshit.

Buh. What was- Ridiculous. I am- I am- Jettel bit, Jettel bit, Jettel bit. You know, I'm truly fascinated by people who can like physically sit in the same room as people who are lying to them and gaslighting them

for a length of time. Like I can be in the room with somebody who lied to me, but if you are continuing to lie to me, that's like I have to go. Like I'm physically, I think it's coming from. I get so angry, you know, I have to go. And so to have somebody like,

Glenn Greenwald say that, like, oh my god. Well, he's not the same room, he's a result. Exactly, right exactly. That's what I'm saying like oh I'll break the screen I will destroy that screen sir. How fucking dare you yeah, it's a little much. Oh it's a little much and At the end of the day if this is a sincere complaint. It's about the moderation. Yeah, this is a drug This should be a complaint directed right at Ian. That is it. That is the most weasily like, oh, I can see my opponent. Don't even want to talk about the issue. Fuck you. I will hit you. Yeah. It's a condescending process throughout. Oh my God. But on the issue of whether there was a real belief on the part of Donald Trump,

that elections were stolen, I don't understand how anybody could doubt that. Aside from the fact that you have to get into Trump's head, in the last three elections that Democrats lost in 2000, 2004 and 2016, a very large number of Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen, that the election was stolen and was the only part of the president. No, we're only stolen two out of those three. That's the result. Oh, four was it. Starting writing about politics to the Democrats. The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore

one was the view of every single liberal and democratic that I knew. In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had interfered in the Ohio vote with the debold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win. I'll accept that too. In 2016, Hillary Clinton in the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner that Russia had helped him and they tried to convince the electoral college to abandon the certified results of the state. Obviously, you go back to 1960 and there's a lot of historians believe that election was

stolen. So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him. It's a very significant tradition in American political history. If you know anything about politics before 2016, and if Trump believed that the election was stolen and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told them they didn't think it was. He did have advisors and layers telling them, telling him that they think there was evidence of it. Then the question is over, even on these other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy

against the United States. But the issue is, is January 6th an insurrection. Well, let's just talk about this. Alex, argue with Glenn, please. Yeah, let me, yeah. Oh, man, those examples that Glenn brought up, sure, are interesting. Can you think of anything that makes all of them different than the 2020 elections? Something like really glaring. Like how all of those Democratic candidates explored legal avenues and then promptly conceded to their opponents. Also, the 2020, sorry, the 2000 election was stolen just by the Supreme Court, not by

a particular candidate necessarily. Literally stolen. I remember 2004 and I swung in some fairly left-wing groups who hated Bush, and I don't think the carry was a victim of election theft thing was a hot talking point. There was some talk about the die-bowl voting machines, but that was because prior to the 2004 election,

their entire software system, like all of it, was leaked. Because all of it was leaked, people were able to pour over everything and identify all kinds of potential vulnerabilities, which were definitely there, but there wasn't evidence that the vulnerabilities were actually exploited. The reason that Ohio was of particular interest was because, di bold CEO Walden O'Dell sent a letter promoting a Bush fundraiser that included him saying, quote, I'm committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year, which naturally raised some eyebrows.

It does not sound good when you're the election voting machine guy. Right. Yeah, that's trouble. This shit is apples and oranges compared to 2020 and gun, fucking knows that. Justifying that Trump could possibly rationally think the election was stolen and the immediate aftermath of the election doesn't do anything to justify the actions taken and service of propping up that falsehood, which are actions that all the previous people, Hillary, Kerry and Gord didn't do. And there are things that led up to and caused the inflection point of the insurrection,

which is January 6th. You can sure tell at the end there that Alex is trying to direct traffic, and it's in the direction away from letting Destiny talk. Everyone on Alex's side is committed to the bit. Now Alex knows he can steam roll the crescent steam so trying to get uh... you guys are the words get to talk here by by brubber man it's just it's just no fun it's just no fun

i want to be the guy who threw the tea off the fucking thing you know and then whenever people all of the other stuff still election yet you know why they you know why they can see it because they're losers Mm-hmm. That's why Gore quit. Oh, they steal the election no gorg quit because he's a loser He sucks right is a loser who quit not like drop not like drop. He fought for it right that's the that's the argument Not like no everything. I do Fuck what quick whining you try to take over a country, that's weak. Yeah, I'm not sure I would say that Glenn is someone

who I would put in the camp of trying to take over the country. Yeah, that's fair. But he's rationalizing it for sure. He's running cover. Yeah. But, man, he is a real condescender. So anyway, bed tries to explain the differences between all those examples, the Glenn Gave,

and Alex is not in it. Here we go. Can I talk about the differences? So Bush versus Gore, what happens? The Supreme Court rolled and Gore conceded. He stopped saying this election was stolen, he stopped saying I won. That was Supreme Court.

Yes. Did Gore refuse to certify the vote? I don't remember. Did he do that? He did, he did. Oh, he didn't have an alternative. He did. Exactly. I was going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be like,

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You know how many of them were Trump appointed judges that made those rulings, seventeen. So six of the six of them, let me finish here. Six of them were based on standing. Four of those that were based on standing, the judge also analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence.

So only two of them, and that was Texas versus Pennsylvania and Goamert versus Pence. Do you know what those two cases were? No, Texas. Texas. Texas tried to steal. No, I agree with you. That is a bit of a question. Let me finish.

Holy shit. That bit at the end there, that's just pure distilled pathetic. Bed has actually looked into these cases and prepared, whereas Alex is just skimmed memes and yells a lot. So he's in a much better position to discuss the details, which is threatening to Alex. Yeah. He has no idea which case is bed is talking about because to him, they're all one big ball of an attack on Trump. He knows nothing. So when bed tries to explain to him, this is in very simple terms. Alex has to deflect by throwing out something about Biden and inflation. He's just a child, like this is how kids argue. And to be fair, he's crushing it in kids rules arguing. That's why he said he was dominating earlier because he thinks these deflections

are working. They're not, but it honestly doesn't matter. Anyone watching this has their mind made up. So Alex is playing to his audience. They'll hear him desperately try to avoid talking about details about the cases that Trump has lost by bringing Biden in inflation I think it's a savage dunk. In many ways, I think that clip truly encapsulates the futility of interacting with Alex and having debates like this to begin with. Yeah, you know, you just got like real information. Alex saying that none of these cases were heard explaining that only two of them were thrown out simply because of the procedural stuff. And Alex just saying, well, I believe it by an inflation, he says,

good, Robert Wu, it's like, what's the point? You're not gonna get anywhere. Oh yeah, no. And I think, I mean, literally, the casting is already an issue. Like if I'm Alex listening to this, I think the audience that I, the audience that's come to this show,

they're going to listen to that, and they're not going to get the substance. They're going to go boring, talking too long. You know, like it might as well just be like, hey, Alex, here's your second tactic. Let them talk a lot, and your people will just get so bored. Right. I mean, and I think Alex, what's just that's a distraction to? I think Alex is just like, he might be bored. You can't still be talking. You can't still be talking. Yeah. I mean, you're so boring. You're so

talking about it. It's possible. And you know, Destiny, you know, for better or worse, is not in that same. He understands because of his experience in doing these debates and stuff like that. Yep. He knows. and that's why I kind of resent that he's not just jumping in. It should be, yeah. He should just be completely like fucking around. Yeah, absolutely. That's a can.

And he's not, which does make this drag a little bit. Yeah, but there is some chaos coming. Okay. And it maybe starts a little bit here with bed trying to explain the cases that were thrown out from standing. Right. Two Alex. Oh, like you're saying, I mean, there's part of it. It's going to get bored by be doing it boring. Yeah. Let me finish. Texas tried suing Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, several other states saying that the election was stolen. And the judge said, no, Texas can't

sue these other states. Somebody in that state who was affected had you sue them. Now, the other case was Goa-Mart versus Pence. He challenged the TORAL COUNTS Act of 1807 saying that Pence could overturn the election. He said that Pence could throw out that. I agree with you. I think that was a wrong theory. No, no, I agree with you. I think that was a wrong. You know, only two that were pretty strong. I agree with you on that. What I'm saying is, if Biden's going to win so big, why can't Trump be on the ballot? That's not up for Biden to decide.

That's up for this. Biden said he wants him off the ballot. It doesn't matter what Biden says. Biden said he doesn't want to decide that. That's why he can't have his race car on the track. Yeah, this horse is going to lose. So it can't be in the race. Bull on the track. Yeah, this horse is gonna lose So it can't be in the race bull crap

What do you think has the authority then to determine the interpretation of a amendment 14 man? I know the state Department I can't you answer a single question. Why not just answer one? Why do you think man? It's a question. Who is the authority ultimately has not the president on CNN? There's a constitution to talk because you want, let Alex not make an arambly. He's not going to even see any in the legal analyst say that you have to be convicted. So Destiny, you can sit there and have blue hair and be trending. And make all these, like the motives made of cheese. I'm destiny.

I like that. I can know you don't lose your rights when you're not convicted. He's not been convicted. And here's the good news. It's backfiring. People, we have the Declaration of Independence, and we can vote for who we want to. No, you can't. Well, 35.

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We just beat this into the ground Alex I need you We just crushed this one into the ground, but I would ask the question in a slightly different way Was this an attempted coup? Jesus? What sorry did we just go back to square one? Did we just go back to square one then with a synonym? How fucking dare you? It's admirable on some level that bad is trying to explain to Alex Only two Trump's legal cases were rejected on standing alone and the rest are due to lack of merit Right Alex always says that none of Trump's cases were even heard at all and all thrown out on standing

So it's valuable to push back on that but you can see here what that does. Yeah, no good Yeah, do you think anyone watching this they previously was inclined to agree with Alex heard that explanation? I thought, huh, maybe Alex isn't right about those cases. I think it's unlikely. That was a fun yelling match that broke out though. It seems like they turned down Destiny's Mike, which makes sense. This is taking place at Alex's studio,

presumably with his crew and zero head just paying for it. So he's got a bit of home court advantage. The moderator has clips for Alex to play. Yes. If they are going to do anything meaningful and the moderator is just going to be this shitty, then this is what I want. I want Destiny and Alex going back and forth

because Destiny can handle Alex's attempts at deflection and has a way better ability to focus than Alex. I hypothesize that if left of their own devices in front of a camera, they would just keep talking at each other like this, and Alex would then punch Destiny and call him a slur. Do you think so? Yeah. I think they may be trapped in this for all eternity and we'll put them underneath a slope, snow globe, and then we can all just kind of jump in. I mean, it's. They'll show where the universe is. The trodinger's punch.

Yeah. I do. I think Alex would get physical. I eventually because Destiny would just keep like in in this next clip we're gonna hear, he does kind of start trolling Alex because he realizes this is going nowhere. So he does fuck with him a little bit and left with enough time, I think they'll get under Alex's skin. I mean, I think the irony of it is to me,

like it should already be physical, if that makes sense. Because there's no point in talking to Alex, you know, like I agree with you Somewhat I mean that they should be fighting but it doesn't make sense that they're not it doesn't make sense that you're talking This is stupid and and considering how the act out Alex is yeah, what do we do it? This can only be handled one way so I know here comes trolling. Okay, you guys think this was an attempted coup I said was I'm gonna be a hundred Biden laptop. Oh my god.

The reputization, the reputization, the email censorship, the rush to get. Yeah. There's no rush in connection. That's all them are in A-Vaxines. Derek, take your extra. I want you to take all the money. This is all warming.

I haven't shot you yet. Not yet. You want to take some? No, I want to help you take them all. I hope you take them all. I want you to answer one question about any of them. I want to see you take them all. I think you talk about the Democrats.

And maybe on your desk,, the January 6th. The why is that crazy now admit that the shot arranges your immune system and doesn't protect you. There we go. One line. There we are. Come on. COVID. Try to take away my Democrats. Yeah, yeah, let's let's stay back. All right, guys, back to topic. Yeah.

Karen. Brian has me. So, so is it a coup? That has an answer. So, is it a coup? That's the question. So, I think it can be debated. More attempted coup. An attempted coup. Definitely, I would say it's an attempted coup.

Okay, so your answer is basically the same to the first question of is it an inspection? I mean, it's objective. You could be argued. Holy shit. Thanks, grandma. Yeah, but that was a little fun. I mean, that's what it's what you're yeah That's what sucks about this is that like it's kind of so stupid and meaningless. Yeah, those points are actually fun

No, they get exciting because something's happening. These two are yelling at each other It's like it's like they when they booked it they tried to serve all the masters, you know You they tried to make it so destiny and Alex would fight and that's what everybody would enjoy right But then they also wanted to have Glenn Greenwald and the Crasenstein brothers say smart stuff Glenn gives some sort of veneer of credibility and then Baby again, baby has a hole in the universe where it baby is supposed to be. Yeah, I think the Griess on the Stey and they have huge Twitter following stuff. So there is a attention based reason that you would have them all. Right, but I mean, they and Greenwald seem like that's where they're supposed to be.

They're boring and serving the purpose. It's like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, one. Yeah, yeah, what a great shareable movie. Yeah, but yeah I think it's a it's lined up like that each but you know one-on-one kind of whoever wins at the end But I'll royale that sounds right blood sport blood sport Kumite Kumite Come on, yes, please So Alex just keeps interrupting and then mic down for this because the craziest thing comes out of his mouth. Okay. Definitely I would say it's an attempted coup and a federal. The coup was flooding the border.

And now it's all district judge, your district judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump Eastman scheme. And he said, well, I'm not interrupting you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,ing you up. No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not that yet. Uh, uh, but we, uh, we had Glenn, Glenn's going to speak after you were, you were, I'll shut him up now. So to, to federal judge, US district judge David Carter evaluated the Trump Eastman scheme. Another lawyer. We can go and do later. But basically, he said that it was, it was quote, a coup in search of a legal theory. This is a federal judge. So a judge sent a coup over America. Hey, the same.

Hey, Killed Kennedy. Judges aren't part of the CIA. Oh my, I don't think so. Oh, okay, you gotta go home now. The moment you said, the moment Alex says the thing and you respond with judges aren't part of the CIA, you gotta go home. You're not meant for this place. Yeah, you got to get out of here You're

Yeah, you're not supposed to do this isn't for you. Yeah, you're gonna strike out looking So yeah, I got judges are part of the CIA. You got you got you got pushed there. Yeah, that's you that's on you It is yeah, obviously what the fuck is happening though What is happening? What is Alex have a bit prepared even that completely useless moderators begging Alex to just shut the fuck up Yeah, Alex is just a coked-out idiot who can't control himself and let anyone else talk and how could anyone Sincerely think this would go any other way. Yeah, like sweet summer dipshit thing They were gonna have a debate when you invite't write Alex Jones. Unreal. Breaking news. I'm so mad at people for not listening to our show

before doing a debate with Alex Jones. Yeah. And then they could just be like, oh, we cancel. It's an open question whether or not I would have helped a destiny if I were reached out to, but I will say that I was not. So that in case anyone was curious about that.

Oh, it didn't even occur to me that they might reach out to you. Yeah. The person that would make sense to reach out to, yeah. Oh, well, what you're gonna do. Yeah. So Glenn, uh, has an interesting, uh, rejoinder question that he thinks probably is a gotcha. Sure. And, uh, he's a great debater. He is. Yeah. The question that you asked me and who's, is, is this a coup? If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're the news, is this a coup? If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history,

you don't know what a coup is, you think that like what CNN tells you, the coup was a coup. Usually the way coups work is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power. Trump was the commander-in-chief on January 6th, The military was duty bound to obey his orders. They had a right to disobey if they were illegal. But if this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of the power and turn over the election process to him? Why didn't he order the armed factions that formed the law enforcement part of the military in the executive branch that served under his command to do that as well.

That's what happened to the coup. That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup. He wanted the department of defense to seize voting machines and the DOJ turned him down and told the worst thing he did was try to take Biden on the ballot. Remember when Trump said Biden cannot run

and have a just department take Biden off the ballot? Oh God, that was Biden. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's undefeated so far. Biden doesn't have the authority to do that. He still doesn't have the authority to do that.

The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on that's currently six three consider. They're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that. So that whole thing, the entire setup that Glenn used to invalidate the idea that this was an attempt at Q was shattered in an instant by a crescent steam Yeah, that's very sad. That's dark. Why didn't Trump use the military? Oh, he tried to get the DOD to seize voting machines just a dipshit stepping on a rake Oh, as for why Trump didn't tell the military to take over with him on the sixth It's probably because he was a coward and he realized he'd probably be killed or maybe he thought that the violence that he refused to

He'd probably be killed or maybe he thought that the violence that he refused to repeated requests to call for an end to would be enough to push for the Administrative coup so the risk of actual military takeover Stuff wasn't necessary. Yeah, maybe because Trump was sequestered in a safe room and the people around him wouldn't have let that fly I mean who knows there's plenty of reasons that aren't because it wasn't a coup. Yeah, but here You can tell that Alex is essentially given up on engaging with anything anyone says. Yeah, not at all. He's just fully committed to interrupting anytime someone says something that goes against his narratives. Yep. When bad has a quick answer to Glenn's dumb question, Alex slides right into interrupting deflect with nonsense about Biden taking Trump off the ballot. He's a total idiot, but there is a strategic idiocy and where and how he's interrupting and deflecting. Sure. Sure. I mean, there's a strategic idiocy and where and how he's interrupting and deflecting. Sure, sure. I mean, there's a strategic idiocy with when that guy moves his puppets mouths,

you know, to make him say the mean thing. And you're like, oh, that puppet's so mean. It's not actually the puppet. Oh, it's the puppet. The puppet, you puppet. I do remember that. So anyway, Destiny has a complaint about the debate. What What did that mean? I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of this stuff related to Trump

It's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths. I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of What happened on and in the events leading up to Direction to invoke every other with having to invoke every other game of God, no name calling. No, his name's Ding Dong. Ding Dong, guess whatever it is. The point is I was there. I was there.

No name calling. What a, this is so childish. It is unreal. It is a good rule for a debate, maybe to have another name calling rule. It shouldn't be a rule you need to have. And it's probably you've booked wrong if you need to evoke it. If you need to have a rule, it's probably you've booked wrong if you need to have a rule

You've already chosen wrong and if you evoke it and then the person immediately calls the guy ding dong again Yep, it kind of like well, I'm I'm impotent with no with no consequences whatsoever There are no rules. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry now Kuma Tech. Okay. Who's who in the Kuma Tech? Hmm. I'm sorry. Now I'm in my head blood sport going through. Darren Beatty, Van Dam. Darren Beatty is not Van Dam, I'm sorry.

I forgot in the character's names. The drunk guy is Alex. The drunk guy is for sure, Alex. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he really could just be Alex. Yeah. So, Destiny tries to explain here why January 6th was a unique event. And it was uniquely bad.

Yeah. And Alex's, I mean, his whole thing comes down to just kind of like, I was there. Listen to me, I was there. I was there, LCD. So, what was the president that a president of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next president. He said, I want you to peacefully march down the Capitol. That is a uniquely horrible event. The march to the Capitol. What was bad was him watching the riot happen for three hours and doing nothing. No, no, it took him. No, it was the

riot was happening. He spoke for an hour and a half. It started then. Then he got back to the White House, watched it like 30, 40 minutes and then shot a video. No, you're lying. He got back to the White House. Mark like 30 40 minutes and then shot a video. No, you're lying He got back to the white house Mark Meadows delivered a note on his mask that Ashley Babid had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a Half the guy that you Where? How many I was there how many part-ins did Trump do for the Patriots? They got unfairly charged with crimes With the capital I was. Why didn't Donald Trump

or any of those people? They said, I'm sure there's a guidelines. There's not going to be there's not going to be a answer to this. I'm sure we talk because there's not your false guidelines. They claimed

our time lines. Every single phone went an hour and a half. What? Just keep it one at a time. It's here. When he's first started speaking, so you had an hour and a half. Fallen didn't exist. I was there. Keep it one at a time means let Alex speak because he's too

coked up to stop talking. Yeah, we can we can stop you from talking, but we can't stop him. So it turns out you're the one who's got a shut up. So just to clarify the timeline, because Alex is 100% wrong here are the basic beats. Yeah. People broke through the police barricades at around 1 p.m. Trump finished his speech at the ellipse at 1pm and wanted to go to the capital where people were already fighting with the police, but his security didn't allow it. At 1.19, Trump arrived back to the White House. Trump stayed in a private room in the White House from 1.25 to 4pm watching Fox News. Right around 2pm, writers began entering the capital. It's probably around this time

that Harrison Smith is on air, on InfoWars celebrating the fall of the capital. It became, it's probably around this time that Harrison Smith is on air, on Infowars celebrating the fall of the capital, announcing the Patriots had taken it back. Yeah. By two people like Pat Sipolloni have tried to get Trump to intervene to stop what was happening, but Mark Meadows said that Trump didn't want to.

At 224, Trump tweets, quote, Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. At the time, he was fully aware that his supporters headstormed the Capitol. He was egging them on, even Marjorie Taylor Greene contacted Mark Meadows to tell him to get Trump to quote calm people, which maybe is part of why Trump adds up tweeting, quote, please support our Capitol police and law enforcement. They're truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful at 228.

This is T-party shit, man. Fucking throw the side of our country. Say peaceful at 228. This is tea party shit, man. Fucking throw the tea or go home. Honestly, that is a ridiculous treat for Trump to accept. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pathetic on all fronts. Yeah, Ashley Babid is shot at 244 p.m. At 253, Donald Jr. tries to get meadows to convince Trump to condemn this shit ASAP. Meadows replies, quote, I'm pushing it hard.

People keep telling him to tell them ob to disperse, but Trump refuses to. It isn't until 417 PM, the Trump releases his video where he says, quote, I know your pain, I know your hurt, we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens, you've seen the way the others are treated, I know how you feel, but go home and go and home in peace.

So when Destiny says that he didn't do anything for an hour and a half after Babac got shot, that's almost exactly correct. And it was about three hours from when he got back to the White House and started watching Fox News until he put out that video. Alex is just lying. He was there though. You know, it wasn't in the room though. It hadn't, it hadn't really sunk in until just now. Quite how much everybody around Trump was at fault for successfully taking over the country. They could have done it. They totally could have done it. But all the people around Trump wanted him to stop. That's weak. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad that we don't live in the Trump talk. We're see that's good. It's weak going by their own sort of measure.

It is like you, I can't, it's actually kind of really hard for me to believe that they spent so long just looking the asshole of Trump for then to suddenly have like the opportunity, like you could have done it. They could have had the whole United States to themselves. They call, they had to do, it's just be like, yeah, you could have done it. They could have had the whole United States to themselves. They all they had to do was just be like, yeah, let's fucking do it. Let's just pull the trigger on it.

Well, it's that dilemma of if the person next to me isn't on board, I'm gonna die. Sure. You know, and I think that that maybe limits a lot of people's recklessness. I mean, I totally get it, but it is the difference between, you know, I'd rather die than have to do this. I'd rather die than have to be like, no, it wasn't an insurrection. Now just kill me in the fight. So bed brings up the idea of where their weapons are.

Sure. And this leads to a problem for Alex. So you're there, Alex. So tell me where their weapons are. No, nobody is. So are you telling me? Yeah, you know, you're right. You got me. He's going to say the cops. Yeah, they shot Ashley Babin and they threw people off the off the top of the balcony and they beat a woman's break. Thanks for helping. There were there were there were seven. Oh, nobody shot a woman.

Nobody beat a woman. Nobody beat a woman on the ground. That's a fake video. They got put out. That was ground. It's a fake video they got put out It was a bad It's fake folks I like how you would think that years after the event we're now getting unreleased footage like That event of five Braggers three and a half hours of by baton. How would that take years to my god? Everybody on everybody on X I'm saying they didn't beat a woman to death Everybody's like yeah, yeah, let's

Just screwed yourself I guess you about Oh woman didn't get drugging by the cops and people Little jokes and just what Trump fans are sports games. And I'm going to go off how much emotion there is. I can talk. I can talk. I'm ready. Come down.

Come down. Come down. Come down. Oh, man. Sports game. I think I will take physical challenges off the, of the dissuade. Yeah. So Alex is doing this big pageant because he knows that bed wasn't talking about the

police when he asked about weapons. He was asking about the shitload of weapons the Trump supporters had. Yeah. A dude named Jared Barger was just sentenced the other day for carrying a loaded 9mm semi-automatic into the Capitol on January 6th. That's not a good idea. There's so many weapons like tasers, brass knuckles, batons, and blades that were confiscated. Alex just want to have to recognize this because his version of the story is it was just

a peaceful bunch of nice people walking a sightseeing tour through the capital. You notice the Mr. Eckdallix does with Destiny here too. Destiny is pointing out that Alex is citing a fake story about a woman being beaten to death, but because Alex knows that Destiny is correct and he's lying about this story, Alex pretends what Destiny is saying is Ashley Babit wasn't shot. Instead of dealing with how he's been called out for an indefensible lie, he's trying to project an indefensible position onto Destiny, which he didn't say. For some context, this is about a deceptively edited

video that was pushed in right with media, the claim to show police beating Roseanne Boylant who tragically died that day. She's the person who glunded Greenwald earlier referred to as a person who died of an infetamine overdress. This disrespectful ass fake video was used by shitheads like Alex until it was roundly debunked, but by this point Alex is counting on people not remembering that it was an edited video.

Unfortunately, Destiny knows, so to get himself out of that jam, Alex is forced to pretend Destiny said something entirely different than he did. It's really hard to imagine someone paying attention and not seeing through Alex's really infantile rhetorical tricks. I get Alex's pretending that he won this exchange but Boyland and Ashley Babbit were the only two women who died that day so he's just wrong and I know this gets lost in the background sometimes but this is incredibly disrespectful. This is a person who died and this is how Alex is talking

about it. It means he's just a piece of shit. Yeah. And this like, ah, gotcha! I- That's gonna come to characterize quite a bit of this. Yeah, it is, it is like, if you're, if you're, if I'm listening to this, and I'm thinking, I don't like where the country is. You know what? Gotta go back in time to deal with that. You know, it's too late. To debate Thomas Jefferson.

I mean, we gotta go back, we gotta go way back further because this is where we are now. This is who we are now this is who we are it is unfortunate that it is a snapshot yep yep what you gonna do so anyway bed tries to get back to the weapons thing and just Alex will not shut up so you said the weapons were the fed shooting actually bad

what about um... how about the guy who the three men on the corner of 14th and independence who had AR 15s? How about they use those? They didn't use them. Oh, what about the pipe bomb? I asked you a question. Alex, I asked you a question of people had weapons. How about there? How many weapons were seized like 75? 75 are arrested. I'm raping people. 75 75 of the people arrested within the Capitol building had weapons. Let's have a couple of clasps and stuff. Oh, there are those names have weapons that is on the mead. How the guy refit the what is it? 3%

or 3% of it? We're weapons like Biden. He's my answer. And gun on the stairs of the Capitol. As as he was encouraging you to do that's worse than Pearl Harbor. As he was saying to telling people to go into the Capitol as he was saying he wants to drag Nancy Pelosi out of the Capitol and

hopes her head hits every day. You say go in the Capitol like ramps. Let me finish my point before you cut me off. He wanted to drag Nancy Pelosi out and let her head hit every stare on the way out. He said, yeah, I put on Pelosi. Alex Alex, we don't buy the bill. Yeah, let that finish this point because we're going to go to Darren Relic. He said on his way to the Capitol building that they're going to take the Capitol and put insert their own government.

Yeah, so that's what's going on. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of over throwing it. Like Martian's at Vating and blowing the earth up. It like like Lynn Ringwell says his intention wasn't an insert. Yeah, he said his intention wasn't an insurrection. He's saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi out. He's saying, and he's under Trump's command. All right. Trump said, don't be foolish. Yeah, it's kind of a stupid speech. Yes's come in. All right. I'm going to be right over. So. The Capitol building. Smile. It's to you.

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So that's what I'm going to do. Everyone quiet down. We're going to Darren Beatty. Yeah. What's the question here? Oh, man. So there's no point pretending a moderator is gonna be able to handle Alex Yeah, he only responds to force and he's not scared of anyone in that room. Yeah

He's emotionally afraid of destiny But he could probably kick this and he's so Alex will constantly badger him and he's fine with that Yep, the only answer is a mute button and Alex is coked out of house So we just steal the mic and X to him and y'all so loud that it's picked up on your mic, too Yeah, it's his studio. so good fucking luck with the mute button. And yeah, Ian, Zero had to ask you to moderate this debate, but it was so shit like this would happen. Would happen.

Yes. You don't ask Alex to join an event ever if you're looking for a calm reason to conversation. You want a show, and Alex knows he has to give a show because he's got nothing else. Yeah. Pretty sad stuff all around. Bed is clearly trying to illustrate that there were ton of weapons there, which is important because Alex said got nothing else. Pretty sad stuff all around. Bed is clearly trying to illustrate that there were ton of weapons there, which is important because Alex said there weren't.

And Alex is trying to deflect down every possible avenue he sees to keep things off track. Oh well, thankfully they went to beanie at the end there, though, who might have just been woken up from a nap. I don't know where he is. I mean, you know, and that's nonsense. That's such a terrible thing for Alex to do because I do think there's such a,

there's a good response to that, which is just like, man, if our, if the country gets overthrown by, like, 100 people with knives and shit, that is on us. That is on us. In the case of organizational weakness, we should, we deserve to have been, if you can, if 100 guys with knives can overthrow the country, we deserve it. We should we deserve to have been if you can if a hundred guys with knives can overthrow the country, we deserve it. We have it coming. Yeah, I'll take that. And I think that, you know, you could also stake a pretty decent position of like just saying it's okay for people to have weapons. Yeah. You know, oh, I can't have them on the capital because they're so special. I mean, Are they more special than children at schools?

Because you won't let me carry those at schools, but... Well, I think that... Well, Alex wants people to have guns. It's cool. Yeah, I think that there is a difference between having a knife in your pocket incidentally and having an intention of using a knife. Sure.

And I think that having brass knuckles or bare mace, and that kind of stuff, that's a little different. I'm not fighting the jets, man. I feel like- I'm not the sharks. We're not doing brass knuckles. I have my brass knuckles rolled up into my shirt sleeve. Right?

So Alex talks a little bit about how he went to the January 6th committee and pled the fifth and shit. Yeah. Who about that? I wasn't just there on January 6th committee and pled the fifth and shared. Yeah. Who would vote? I wasn't just there on January 6th. I was in that congressional hearing and took the fifth, 98 times. And not because I think to hide,

the Fifth Amendment isn't just to incriminate yourself. It's because they want to be in a perjury trap. They would have witnesses claim to be what's the truth. You think I think attacking the Capitol makes us win an election? Yeah, witnesses against their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury. Oh, yeah, Roger Stone that question. Yeah, explain the law to Alex now. Now is the time you'll get Roger Stone to what was it with all the wiki leaks?

He worked here then he he couldn't get a hold of him. I knew he told the truth. He didn't tell anybody. I'm behind the wLeaks. They said Roger Stone ran WikiLeaks He never talked to Julian Saunge. Say he ran WikiLeaks. No, they said him. Try to beat him. I think this is getting a tough one. Oh my god. What makes you think that's off top? I sure did a lot of Congress.

I don't think. When he said I don't know Wiki, I have not interviewed Saunge. Let's pull back to it, Darren. I wanted to... Darren's going to finish off what you were saying about this. And I think Glenn, you were going to mention something after that. And then I have a couple of clips that we're going to play, but, Darren. I wanted to. But Darren's going to finish off what you were saying about this. And I think Glenn, you were going to mention something after that. And then I have a couple of clips that we're going to play. But Darren, yeah, I mean, the January six hearings were a show trial of the sort that would make Kim Jong Il blush.

Um, explain it to him. That's what you got. That's what they wanted. I don't know. He just was your, he was snapping. You just got up. You're big deal. Actually, part of the. Hey, let's go to baby for that. We pick who the people are on our jury. Jim Jordan was getting invested by the Trump. They wanted they wanted a a person on the committee who was being investigated by the committee. How does that make it? Oh my god, when you're

being investigated by the Democrats, you don't. I think a lot of people watching don't understand. Hey guys, guys, guys, Alex elected. Does that matter? the Democrats. You don't I think a lot of people watching don't understand Hey guys guys, Alex electric That's what I matter people they're listening don't have the context so if we start rapid fire argumentation a lot of people are gonna Who's interest you need to stay focused and listen to each other? It's really important saying Folk is really hard for them to win their case. It is really hard in their case when they have to stay focused It's all very hard, but it's any of their views of reality. It is possible. I'm gonna go take a piss and I'll let you All right to stay focused. You're all very hard, but with any of their views of reality, it is possible. I'm going to go take a piss and I'll let you. All right.

I got to say, I have no love for bed, but he's getting a couple good clap backs there. Sure. Sure. I think Alex very understandably underestimated him, but it's kind of a relevance. And so Alex can clearly just easily yell over him and bed is too polite to really get into the dirt. Yeah. Just any might. I mean, he was afraid to say crap. Yeah, Alex just said I'm gonna go take a piss Yeah, I'm gonna say crap. I'm gonna make this perfectly clear. Yeah, rapid fire arguing like this is not going to make people lose interest No, I love this is a fucking freak show everyone tuning in is tuning in on the off chance Alex loses this shit and decides to eat one of the Crisis and 100% if anything the thing that's making this less interesting to me is how no points are ever really explored because Alex can't stay on topic Mm-hmm, and you have a fucking dig-dong baby in here Oh, Alex has a coked-out child so even when someone touches on a decent point worth getting into

He'll remember that Trump isn't on the Colorado ballot and decide needs to rant about it immediately. Yep Colorado ballot and decided to need to rant about it immediately. Yep. Curious what that breaking news was from earlier though. I was thinking the same thing. Did they manufacture breaking news for Alex to interrupt at a certain point? I can tell you this much. We're not going to get to it on this episode. Oh, real?

He's son of a man. Cliff Hager. Will it happen next episode? Who's to say? Looks like we're all going to go take a piss. Well, speaking of that, Alex goes take a piss. Okay. And so that leaves the other participants to argue,

sure, namely, Destiny and Glatt. If you look at how coos are carried out in other countries, you could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter protests of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement. The reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important test, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess

and believe in, to cases where it undermines your partisan allegiance and your ideology, not only where it helps it. That's one of the key tasks, but determining the authenticity of your argument. And so if you don't think the 2020 protest movement was an insurrectionary movement against the United States, government does it in no way to claim what January 6 was, especially since Trump could have done so much more to cause a coup that he did not do because that wasn't his aim ever. If you want to talk about applying the same standard, would you have been okay

in the year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what was happening in Florida? A lot of Democrats didn't want to do that. Can you answer that question? I'm going to answer the question. Yeah, and I wouldn't have actually... Yes, a lot of Democrats did want to answer that question. The Glenn answer the question. Yes, and I want to ask, yes, a lot of Democrats were angry about that.

Everybody asking a lot of, I'm asking you would be okay personal if he refused to certify the vote. I think there were two, you want to answer the question. In 2016, would you be okay? Would you be okay?

That's what I did. That's what I wanted. Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, it's the Democrats claim they did. Then it is kind of odd to say, we're just gonna concede that and allow George Bush to work with the power of the police.

And the only point. That he actually stole the election. It is that is kind of an odd way to go. No, it's not, it's not all that odd. We live in a democracy. There are appropriate forums through which you did not chattel that out in the courts. And they lost.

There you go. You're not just battling it out in the court? And they lost. There you go. You're not just battling it out in the court. And you lost once you lose. And if you pass that, if you did do your criticism. Did you land to yourism directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your own power? Is an attempted coup?

That's not what you're talking about. That's not the coup. That's not the coup. Oh, we told them to be peaceful. Something a fucking baby there. That's amazing. I don't know why Glenn wouldn't just bite the bullet and say that he'd be fine with Gore doing exactly what Trump did Hell yeah, you've got no stakes. Gore can't go back and do it now

No, but it's probably because he and Darren are pretending the Trump Trump's claims didn't get a fair hearing Sure, they're invested in staying in that position and that kind of falls apart if you stake a firm Answer to Destiny's question. Yes, also Glenn must have no fucking idea who Destiny is because he was super opposed to the rioting that accompanied some protests in 2020. He already said about signing off on white militia dudes shooting protesters, so that should give you some kind of idea. If this is Glenn's litmus test for sincerity of a person's opinion, Destiny passes that with flying colors, which is a huge disaster for Glenn. Yeah.

He really was counting on the person he's talking to, not being able to denounce those protests. And he just happens to be arguing with maybe the only person who has the political set that both passes his test and also is super into arguing. Yeah. What a dipshit. Yeah.

I was really disappointed that that didn't actually blow up in his face because it really could have. Yeah. Instead, destiny asks a question that Glenn didn't actually blow up in his face because it really could have. Yeah. Instead, Destiny asks a question that Glenn can't answer as opposed to just being like, yes, fine. Yeah. And just deflating him entirely. It is so fascinating to me because it seems like this is the type of shit that invalidates

the entirety of the point of any of these. Is that idea of when I am put to the question, I am afraid of my own answer. Right. It's just such a like, oh well then, there's no point in talking in this forum. We can only speak in a place where you are not afraid of your own answer. Only if there's chat-em-house rules

and then you're not gonna be doing this publicly. Yeah, I mean exactly. It's like's chat-em-house rules, and then you're not gonna be doing this publicly. Yeah, I mean, exactly. It's like, unless you are able to be like, this is open, I am available, then there's no point. Yeah. And if you're constantly trying to play defense about what your position is applying.

If you're playing defense period, what are we doing? This is not an offense defense thing. It is a condescension thing. There is definitely that and Glenn gets deep into the weeds on that And there's an ex-clip where he explains that a coup Must have violence in it. Oh, he's a condescension wonk. Yeah, and then this nice and then this His definition falls apart right in front of his face This is the legal process of the congressional and judicial process He went and he said, if he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those

agencies, the CIA to go and use violence and domestic soil in order to ignore those court wings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument. He didn't do any of that. He invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary and in the Congress. He lost and he walked out of the White House on January 20th. He did not have to be dragged out. He wasn't arrested by the military, which is what happens in KUZ.

So much of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016. You only lived in the United States. You have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries. You have no idea what a KU is. This is a KU. You know about that. Glenn, you bring it up in your time're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable. We're both Slates of electors were actually

really elected by the people there for in the 60s. Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to from multiple states of electors are not at all comparable. Both of these things happen prior to 2016. There are no examples in US history. Or if you want to give me one, since you know so much history, product 2016, give it to me. If there are any other examples in US history with the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the vote, has that ever happened before? That's a totally separate question.

What does that happen on January 6? It doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened, even if it's the first time of the 10th time, it's still not a coup or an insurrection. A coup or an insurrection is when you use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process. So a coup, now it's not a crime. So if a, so there's no, so there's no violence, it can't be a coup.

Wasn't there violence? I saw violence. Violence in order to be the coup. The amount of violence you need. That's a good question. The most of my violence. Two, that's a bad answer. January six protesters, not from them.

Again, not a single protester without a gun. Let alone use the gun. That is a extremely weird. How many officers were, how many officers are injured? 140? Wait, wait, wait. Is that enough violence for you? Whoops. Here's a good question

So Glenn's definition of a coup is stupid and even by his estimate January 6 could easily be called Yeah, as pointed out by bed. There was tons of violence. Yeah. Thank God. Ian pops into change the subject Great work playing defense for these ding donks Mm-hmm. And just to be clear when destiny is saying the Glenn brought up Hawaii His response is that he never said that I think there's a misunderstanding here because Glenn did bring up 1960 earlier as an example of a time when people claimed elections were stolen because of the situation with the electors in Hawaii. This was meant as a deflection to pretend that everything that Trump did was super cool and not a problem at all. He didn't necessarily bring that up as an example of something that's comparable to

what Trump did, but Glenn Greenwald clearly thinks that Destiny is saying that he brought up Hawaii as an example of a coup. They're talking past each other, but overall, Glenn is wrong and a contesentic dipshit. He said that if you disagree with him, it's just because you live in the United States and you only learned about politics in 2016, he can take that shit somewhere else. I don't even particularly care about Destiny or the Christenssteins. We have to be a real dick to act like that. Also, Glenn's definition requires a large carve out for bloodless coos that have happened throughout world history.

Can't think of any. Only five people died in the Carnation revolution in Portugal, the same number as January 6th, the few include officer's sickening. That's actually one to few enough violence for me. Yes, sorry. Only three people died in the June uprising in South Korea in 1987. Like his definition as huge holes and January 6th doesn't meet like his man qualification. I will tell you it's ridiculous.

Of all the coups that ever could have been, that ever could have possibly been, when a famed novelist, Yuki Omishima, attempted to overthrow Japan by breaking into the uh... when a famous novelist you keo michael attempted to overthrow japan by breaking into the uh... prime minister's office with his uh... friends who he trained into samurai and uh... chop his head off publicly that didn't work out didn't work out

but he really could have done it and then instead of doing that he had his own chat chopped off uh... by uh... committing sepaku right and his buddy who's gonna chop his head off uh took him three tries that's how much does that suck that really so you jam a sword through your gut you got your entrails in your hands you need a good fucking head chopper gotta have a good head chopper yeah otherwise it's gonna be forever yeah yeah and then people bring it up on a podcast ever so destiny tries to explain here what would have happened if Pants had gone through with the plan, the drum pad.

Yeah, yeah. And then Alex comes back from definitely not a piss. Oh, no. I just don't understand all of the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to create to try to say that it wasn't a coup. Well, there was violence, but there wasn't enough. There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working. Like, if the plan would have gone

as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, which is vice president Pence unilaterally tossing out the electoral college vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power, past when he was supposed to lose it, what is that if not a coup? What would you call that? No one ordered those people

of the few hundred that actually fought police to do that. That's great. That's why they can't. Trump will not have that. Trump said Trump spent charge with insurrection or inciting a right. But he said he did. He did. But we can't vote for him because they say,

what would you call it? If Pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and Trump would have held onto power for some weeks. Trump was calling for a 10-day Senate investigation. That's why we were there. That's great. What would have happened if Trump had to vote? No, that's a hypothetical. Trump wanted a 10-day investigation. No's why we were there. That's great. What would have happened if that's about? No, that's a hypothetical.

Trump wanted a 10 day investigation. No, but I don't care where Trump wanted it. I also wanted Pency throughout the world. Yeah, what would have happened? What would you have called that? If he's been pushing for that? Yeah, what would we have called that? Can I get a name for that?

If you don't want to call it a coup or an insurrection, what would you call that? Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying, we can't vote for him. I know you want to answer because you probably know he's guilty. That's fine. I know. Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking

his vice president to throw out the vote, you know, laterally, which is what he was trying to do? Do you want to deny the facts? Do you want to deny that it's a coup? What part? A coup. You're lucky to win a real coup. Wow.

You're lucky there wasn't a real coup is such a great not a coup thing to say. Yeah chill chill cool that. I do think it took a while to get here but I like the dismissive tone that Destiny is taking with Alex. I do. I think that has a lot of potential. Yeah. That's great. Oh good go. Alex claimed that he went to take a piss but he was gone for a while. He was gone for about eight minutes. So I assume he probably did some some booze. I think he's probably drunk. That's a lot of pain. And that's good. I mean, it's not good.

But I'm tired of Coke, Alex. And I want drunk as a terror. I would, I would shift. Alex needs a downer. That is definitely for sure. Yeah. And even just like for my, for my own sake, for everyone's sake, we need, we need the vibe shift.

Yeah. So hopefully Alex is drunk. Spoiler alert he is. Yeah. So Glenn answers Destiny's question and uh, make some implications along the way that maybe he wouldn't defend. If that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as vice president. And then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how we did. And I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the

president in the event that he thinks of. Exactly. And therefore it would have been just the way the Bush v. Gore thing played out. Okay. It's awesome. You go options getting up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court makes the determination. I'll let there finish both of you accept that then.

Then if the Supreme Court says that because of a man and 14 section three Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well. I we are in the except that would be a authority. We do want to get a plan on Donald Trump on man. Centralize a power among himself to remain in power. That's not authoritative. What could be he did do that? That's what happened

Dude that is what happened We Actually what happened a 10 day and that was our goal was a 10-day Senate investigation to the cost That's what we're having behind the scenes though. There's testimony from the lawyers in VOD. They were wargaming everything. Exactly. And there are other old things. And a lot of these, all of his legal counsels,

all of the state senators, all of the congressmen, like, I can talk over here. I can be way better than you. That's what you've been doing the whole time. No, no, no, you're doing it. And then I dominate, you can't handle it. Okay. So I cleanse answers and coherent.

And nonsensical, I think Alex might be drunk. You do sense a little shift. Yeah. A little shift. I think you might have hit some teetos. I am, I'm gonna say this. I feel like I should, I feel like I want to actually take over a country.

Just to, just Just to do it. Proud. You know, like out and out, I'm like, I'm taking over this fucking country. And now, if I'm not and lose, I will accept the responsibility for my actions. You know? Well, because you want to be a role model to the people.

I do. I do. You want to leave by the example. And listen, if I lose, I lose, and if I win, I get to rule the country. That's the trade-off. I know you want to leave by example and listen if I lose I lose and if I win I get to rule the country I think that's the trade-off. I know you pretty well I think you would give the country back and be like I get this on principle Just to show Alex how it's done. It's rude class. It's rude to do it poorly. Yeah, that's all I'm saying So Ian tries to redirect and bring up a question, which is was Trump

tries to redirect and bring up a question, which is, was Trump responsible for January 6th? Do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th? 100% not. He'd had hundreds of rallies around the country five or six part of the months before this. And we had to prove it over and over again. People will show up and do whatever he tells them to do. On the capital grounds, we had a stage and then we get there and, and it's, it's Bedlam. And, and so no Trump didn't think attacking the Capitol and make him look good. That's why he came out and said that don't do this

and go home. Why didn't he call them off immediately? If he thought it didn't make him look good. It was happening while he was giving a speech. Wrong. The reason why he didn't call them off is because Kim, Giuliani and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators

and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote. No, no, no. You have the interview. You do it. No, you don't have to do that. We're talking about the crowd. I don't care about the crowd. I'm saying that as the right was raging on and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke,

if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a VU immediately? I'm about to do it because I can talk over you really using it. What you've been doing the whole time? No, no, you're doing it. I look forward to you,, because I can talk over you really easy. So you've been doing it all the time? No, no, no, you're doing it. I look forward to you, Dodger, the question again. You're doing it, you're doing it, you're doing it. No you.

So you're doing it, you're doing it, you're doing it. No you. You, no, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're doing it. Just, it's what you guys, all that, you guys, right now. Trump did, while he was speaking, what are you guys? I was getting text messages from Valentza Capital

and I left to try to go stop it. And when I got there, he was still speaking. So this thing where you guys say, the attack started at this time, and Trump did nothing this time, he's speaking while it happens for hours. He then goes to White House, tries to figure out what's going on

and puts a statement out against it. And he said, in the middle of his speech, opatella prompter, go be peaceful. That's what I was trying to say. That's what you're also like 130. He also said fight like hell. Why didn't he fight like hell? We don't fight like hell. We're not going to have a country. Rudy, what did he really Giuliani say? He said, let's have trial by combat.

Yeah. That was fine, Jeremy. That's a legal term. That's illegal. Yeah. All turn. That's a legal term. That's illegal. Ha ha ha. Yeah. All right. He's doing good. All right. So now this introduces an interesting question, because Alex's timeline is incredibly wrong.

It's silly. But there's one thing in that timeline that he's giving that we can't confirm at all. And that is a text that Alex got while he was at Trump's speech that said violence at the Capitol. Yeah. If that is the case, he had preemptive knowledge because violence hadn't broken out at the Capitol yet.

Unless he's saying that this happened at about one o'clock, 10 minutes before Trump's speech ended. Then possibly someone could have broken through the police barricades, and then Alex got in word of it. But if it was much longer before that, then it would be someone telling him what's going to happen.

And that's questionable. Yeah. I would ask the January 6th committee where they not dissolved to ask Alex about that, and then he would plead the fifth. It's the type of thing that Alex would say is evidence, even if it wasn't. It's suspicious.

It's suspicious. So Alex is just trying to do his show. You know, I mean, I think I would bring people might want to debate. He doesn't. I appreciate. I appreciate the many ways that you could read that sentence. You know, like Alex just wants to do a show.

Yeah. Alex just wants to do a show. Alex is wanting to do a show. Yeah. And it's an emergency. And it's all there. It's all of all of these are possible. Yeah. And the, then the bed is just kind of unwittingly, I guess. Yeah. Why don't we never sad Trump never supported political violence. Trump never told people to be guns. The left's what burned down half

the country. Everybody knows that. Sure. Everybody knows his Biden's erased the border. Everybody knows all this. You're sitting there claiming this was, do you agree with this? No, it was being Pearl Harbor. Do I, what are you comparing it as big as Pearl Harbor and what way? By the time I was buying it from Harbor. I'm buying it from Harbor. People dead, no. Maybe a blemish on our democracy.

I'd say it was very close. Let me ask you this. If they bring in, which they've done, today, they'll leave aliens last three years. And then that gives them with the congressional seats in the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress is that not documented aliens. Undocumented immigrants are not voting. They are. No, they are not. They're counted in the census, but they're not voting. They're counted in the same. They're not voting. So then they get more Democrat. We backtrack really fast. Oh my god.

So the question of J6 was as big as Pearl Harbor is actually an interesting question. Yeah. Honestly, in terms of history, we may have no idea how to answer that question at this point. Pearl Harbor got us involved in World War II, so that's kind of hard to eclipse. But the rippling effects of Trump's actions after 2020 could end up resulting in a war. If she goes terribly bad in the 2024 election, and there's an outbreak of insurgent violence and a fundamental destabilization of the world's main superpower, then I would say that it is comparable to Pearl

Harbor. As it stands now, J6 is undoubtedly a massive event in our history, but it's kind of impossible to compare it to historical events because we know what those things lead to. Right. It's unfair. Yeah. If Trump within the next 10 years drops an atomic bomb way worse than Pearl Harbor, we'll throw that out there. Because the new ones are worse than the old ones. Well, you know, I think there's a way, there's a way for you on Newk's.

There's a way for you on Newk's. There's a way for you on Newk's are worse than the old ones. Man, I guess it is. It is kind of difficult when you include nuclear weapons. What's there's a nuke? It's tough. That's the, I appreciate that. That's a great line for the coup.

If a coup involves a nuke, that's a coup. 100% guaranteed. Well, I don't know if Pearl Harbor was a nuke. Pearl Harbor was a coup. I mean, I don't even know, yeah. So anyway, Alex's immigrant theory is based purely on racism. Yeah.

In reality, in 2020, Pew Research analyzed what the effective removing undocumented immigrants from the census would do to congressional seats. And it would result in a loss of a house seat in Texas, Florida, in California. California would have a fair chance of that seat ending up being a Democratic one. But in Texas and Florida, the odds are that seat that would be

lost if undocumented immigrants weren't counted in the census would be a Republican one. Doing what Alex wants would likely result in a net loss for his side. Additionally, the states that would gain a seat if undocumented immigrants weren't counted would be Alabama, Minnesota, and Ohio. Ohio and Alabama have legislatures controlled by the GOP so they'd likely redistrict GOP district but Minnesota is majority Democrat. So what I'm saying is that if Alex got his way and undocumented immigrants didn't count on the census it would make no difference in the composition of the house. Basically wash. Two GOP seats would be lost and two with gain. One

Democratic state would lose a seat and one would gain one. There's no actual political gain to what Alex wants but there's a big political gain in demonizing immigrants, which is what this is all about. The specter of undocumented immigrants changing the apportionment of high seats as a white nationalist talking point, but there's no truth to it. The amount of immigrants that would need to come in is astronomical and even Alex's exaggerated numbers wouldn't do with declines. This is, he just thinks it's a white country. That's all that is going on here. Yeah, you know what I find fascinating?

Is that we don't talk more about the first 10 or so presidents. Mm-hmm. And how? Oh, we got Washington. I mean, I mean, the process. Stop, stop, stop. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, the process, because it was so fucking stupid.

Everybody was dumb. Everything was corrupt as shit. And the main reason that it wasn't that big of a deal really was because it was only straight white men who could do anything anyways, period. So it was like just how it is now, but now people have a choice that aren't straight white men. And that's the real problem that we're experiencing right now.

It's all of these people wish that it was uh... the first ten years of the united states again uh... well i mean uh... the politics are fairly similar but there's new words like email yeah which is which is interesting i find it fast so destiny comes in explaining what trump did in terms of the election and Alex just yells trump laid out very precisely exactly what he believed it happened he thought that the vote was being stolen right our country is being taken from us not

believe the one he did others to build yeah we want to that congress wasn't acting that that mike pence was supposed to be the guy to do it but he hadn't heard good things about them and they needed to go down to the capital building to to protest a protest to protest to protest. What? A protest to protest out of a mill. Nobody is saying that you're peeing the same thing. You're like a broken record.

You're a broken record. No, no, no, no, I'm not a broken record. Trump every time. Every night. You try to shut me down. Listen, here's the bottom line. Trump has stopped the charge of the insurrection. No one's anywhere.

Here's the bottom line. But you're saying you can't vote for. Hell yeah. No, that's up to the supreme. No, that's the dip. Do you support them? No one here is talking about can be called a rata and main

taking them out the ballot. That's up to the Supreme Court. No, you point. Do you think it's good for the opposing party when a guy's way ahead in the polls to remove someone from the ballot? It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not. It's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection

and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows, where is the look at the ballot. Where is Trump found guilty? You don't mean it ain't eviction for the 14th amendment. This is for an hour. It's reading. Can we bring the 14th amendment up on the second page? You're mentioning that and it doesn't matter because we have a ride to vote for who we

want, right? No, you don't. You can't vote for somebody under 35 years old. You can't vote for somebody that's not a glint US citizen. It looked like you wanted to chime in glint. But he's unpopular though. He lost. Well, we can't vote for him now.

If you think it's so bad that the courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years? Uh oh. It was the first big political thing that he knew. He knew what was challenging with Obama was he was born in the United States. And I didn't attempt to get him kicked off the ballot. You know, you know why? Yes.

I can play the clips of Obama's. And now you're going to justify off the ballot. You know, you know why? Yeah, I can play the clip, so I'm a little bomb. And now you're going to justify that. Yeah, I'm going to read my mind. Well, it's pretty obvious. Yeah, obviously. And that's kind of a problem for Alex's argument. Yeah. Yeah, good.

I'm good yelling. I'm good back and forth. Yeah. I feel like this is the wrong spot for them to be yelling about. This is, there should be, here's what the moderator should be doing. Not focusing on trying to make the debate make sense or anything like that. Well, it's not.

Right. And not doing what he's doing, period. True. But he should be focusing on getting them to fight about the right stuff. Yes. You know, like, don't fight about stuff where you guys are gonna get into all the weeds and all that stuff.

No, no, no, no, get into the big emotional, blah, blah, blah, blah, fight, kill. You know, like that, that's what you should be doing. Do you get messages from God? Totally, 100%. Absolutely focus. Let's go, lightning route. So, Glenn is being asked a question there,

and I'm gonna go ahead and skip some of this stuff for a time constraints. But you's basically on a mission to be like, hey, January 6th, maybe a riot, but guess what, more of an insurrection was Black Lives Matter protests in 2020. That's almost his entire stick. It seems like he's gotten that pretty well on the board.

So I wanted to skip here, here's my mode, jump back in, and it's Darren Bty asking a question. And Destiny having a pretty solid answer. Okay. And the reason I think this is great is it gets back to the 14th Amendment stuff that they were just arguing about. It cuts out, get rid of Glenn's dumb stuff.

Good call. It gets back in on the 14th Amendment. And it's actually like coherent. Okay. For a minute. All right. For a minute. I'm listening. It doesn't stay coherent. Okay. For a minute. All right. For a minute. I'll listen.

It doesn't stay coherent. All right. Let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction. In your view, who is most appropriate to make that determination? It doesn't work. So the answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell. Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written I've got a lot of friends will hate me for saying that um and I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it because the problem

of the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting them on the ballot could make that determination. So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided. I agree. I agree. You can be uh justly what remove from that. Let me say that. Sure. Declaration of Independence and you would have an insurrection. leave, but remove from that. Now, I'm saying that's a declaration of independence. And you would have an insurrection. I want to fix this peacefully, but I have a lot of, so let's start with the declaration of independence. It points out what's there to abolish a government

when the majority of us agree we're done with it. So, and you got all these movies about civil war, the Democrats are putting out, Obama's putting out, you guys better hope that doesn't happen. We're trying to fix this peacefully, but this is a load of crap. The plan that Republicans and conservatives are this super viral, evil, white supremacist terror group.

They're planning crap. No one's buying that and conservatives and populist and America first sure see how we're being set up. And when they're dead. And say set up, but Donald Trump is the one setting you up. Well, this is my question. Trump said be peaceful and go to the Capitol Trump. We have a 10-day Senate investigation. I was there. The Trump had people.

Did Trump have it? There's a million hours of footage. Did their Trump had seven different states create seven false sets of electors that purgeered themselves out of the blue? I know this and they shipped all of those to Congress. It's delicious. When I try to have people that I know put some me saying don't go on the Capitol, they would take them down. Or we show clips of people pulling off their anti-figure, putting on Trump year. And you know, where's the video footage of all the anti-figure?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. A thousand people here. I was just there. Oh, everybody. Where's the people who are arrested? I was just looking at anti-figure. Got you.

How many anti-figures? How many anti-figures? Why did a Donald Trump. I just go, I. Got you. How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you?

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How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? How many of you? They all just go along with their version of settling things peacefully. It is how manifest destiny has worked historically. It's the classic example of a man putting a gun at your face and saying, I don't want any trouble.

It's like a very convincing act. It's definitely not a robbery. That is what the United States is based off of. So I'm pretty convinced at this point that Alex is at least a little drunk. And just salivating about the memes that are being able to be made off this. Like one where glasses drop on his face. Oh my god. It's pretty sincere, productive, debate stuff.

This is good. There's a part of me that imagines a white supremacist fan of Alex listening to that stuff going like, wait, are we not? He sounded very sincere. He sounded very sincere like, oh, we're not the people do it. And like, there's a part of me that wonders if there is a guy who's like, wait,

it's like he's making a pipe bomb like, wait, am I supposed to be doing this? I'm gonna guess not, although it is a funny image. It is, yeah. So, Destiny made a good point there. And that is that you're saying you're being set up, but it's Trump's that's the saying you are. It's Trump who's doing it,'s that's the meaning of things.

So Alex tries to play a little defense on that. Why didn't Trump call in the National Guard as soon as the ride started if Antifa was not. He asked for 10,000 National Guard a month before. No, he didn't. He said it was not any call him in that night. Why didn't he call him in? Look, there's Antifa calling the National Guard.

He would have ended in 20 minutes. So that's another myth that he had the National Guard and stand by. Cash Patel said that. No, he asked for it Guard on Standby. Cash Patel said that. No, he asked for it. Let me finish. Cash Patel said that Trump asked for it. That's the source of that.

Cash Patel and Donald Trump, after the fact, claim that they had the National Guard on Standby. Neither of them testified to that under oath. Do you know who did? The Secretary of State, Chris Department Defense? Yes, Secretary of Defense. Christopher Miller testified under. No, I didn't have it on standby.

He asked for it as refused by Millie. I could pull, watch, and post it. He was refused. No, Millie specifically said that's not true. Under under? Oh, Millie was that in between phone calls as you think? And the Secretary of Defense, like Millie, who he would have to call to call in the national guard, the secretary of defense

specifically said under oath that Trump never under oath. Under oath. Did Trump or have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to No, this stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Out. Out. Out. Let me ask you a question. You're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath. What is your source? If I have, I'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury.

Your source is, you just know it. That Donald Trump said it to the public. We're live on air here just like when this guy said, trying to land this one. Oh, you know, you're, you know, you're claiming this was done. You don't have proof that those clips are all there. Everyone's going to pull those up. They're going to see them. So there's clips of Donald Trump calling in the National Guard.

No, I'm talking to the last point. No, you didn't answer my question. No, I remember the articles. You didn't answer my question. You're not listening. And let me answer. Yeah, I do. When Trump got firebombed, the white tax in it.

National Guard, the Millie said his National Guard of Milley said, all the time, he was. What are you people doing? He then asked the head jurisdiction was actually General Flynn's brother for 10,000 troops and was in the news. Anybody, we're not doing, I don't have a computer front. It was on January 6th, January 6th. No, no, he asked, he asked two weeks before that they wanted.

It wasn't in the news. OK, boom, gotcha, everybody get it. Don't in the news. Okay, boom got you everybody get it Requested Tomorrow listen to me carefully watch ex tomorrow, okay, and you're and it's gonna be I'll find a million this. And it'll be you. And it'll be all the news articles where Millie says he'll resign at Trump's one

National Guard. And then they did it again and the general front's brother was for January 5th. That was the. I know I know I know I know that's where it begins. That's where it begins. And they also. Yeah, it's all

there. Oh there, man. That's you so incoherent that I'm not even totally sure what Alex is claiming. That makes things a tough to fact check But it seems like there's two essential claims that he's making through his Tito's breath Hmm the first is that Mark Milly threatened to resign because Trump wanted to call him the National Guard Maybe in terms of January 6th, maybe not who knows what Alex is referring to here's an unsent resignation letter that Milly revealed in his Memoir that came out in August 2022

So he didn't threaten to quit, the letter was never sent. It has to do with when Trump used the National Guard to clear protesters out of Lafayette Square and then did that photo-op where he held the Bible upside down. That was pretty funny. Milly was there and in his military uniform and in hindsight he realized that was a big mistake. He wasn't mad at Trump for using the National Guard to clear the protesters. It was that by his being there he was closely associating the military with the whole thing. He said at the time, quote, I should not have been there.

My presence in that moment in that environment created the perception of the military involved in domestic politics. There's no evidence that he threatened to quate if Trump called in the National Guard for anything, nor that this would have been a factor in Trump's decisions around January 6th. So this one sounds like bullshit that Alex is making probably from fun storytelling. Yeah. The next claim that Alex makes is about Trump asking Mike Flynn's brother for 10,000 troops,

which is actually less bad shit than it sounds. At the time, Flynn's brother Charles was the deputy chief of staff for the army. And though they initially denied it, the army eventually did admit the Charles was on to call where the topic of deploying national guard troops on January 6th happened. This is not an instance of Trump asking for troops and not getting them. Trump wasn't even on that call nonsense.

The only reality you can find is that Mark Meadows told some people that Trump wanted some National Guard presence at the Capitol, but it was for the protection of his supporters. That was what he was on. There have been a few, and maybe you know, a lot of people who've talked about how decisions made not to station troops at the capital included considerations of the optics and how Trump's people had been pushing for martial law and how having military there could feed into perceptions of that. Sure.

Sure. But there wasn't any evidence that Trump requested troops and didn't get them except coming from Trump and he's a fucking liar. Yeah. Colonel Earl Matthews, the top attorney for the head of the DC National Guard, has claimed that Charles Flynn and Walter Piotte were instrumental in not having troops deployed after a request had been made by Capitol Police. Flynn was pushing for the use of National Guard to relieve DC Police from non-law enforcement roles so those police could then go to the Capitol. The bottom line here is there's a lot

of people who have a lot of responsibility for the failures to plan and respond appropriately to January 6th, but Trump is probably number one on that list. None of the stuff Alex is stammering his way through as any connection to reality, but probably does match up with some of the headlines from shithead blogs he's skimmed and now he's relying on people to make memes of to pretend everyone else is wrong. Yeah. And as a general rule, I'm gonna say this. Yeah. If you're in an argument with somebody, and you're asked for a source, and the best thing you can come up with is Twitter will figure it out for me tomorrow. Yeah. You're not doing well.

Probably not. That's a bad look. Probably on the losing side, at least for the time being. Yeah. Yep. So Alex is really into this though. Sure.

He keeps saying the Twitter is gonna get you. Losing makes him feel, uh, good. Losing makes him feel like a winner. Losing makes me feel good. Well, because consequences is virtue. Yeah. Maybe. Well, at least when he's drunk.

Yeah, well, drunk is helpful in that. Okay, but you're making the claim that Trump had. No, you say funny. No, I'm here. I'm here. Why are Trump carefully resigned through all the deep state? If they're all part of the swamp, why wouldn't you just do it anyway? I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm the whole and they're all gonna show it and then we'll see. Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general. Oh, really? Sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't, sometimes things are real, sometimes they're

not and at least it's a question. That is insane. And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, you know, phenomenal. Killing it from Brazil, my man. Brazil in it. Brazil in it. This election was stolen. 100%.

Absolutely not. What did you think you were going to say that? What did you think you were gonna say? I was gonna say that. What did you think you were gonna say? Great moderation. What are we doing? It's good. So Alex is, yeah, I think he's drunk.

Yeah. Obsessing about what Twitter is gonna do tomorrow. I love it. Yeah. Now that he's back on Twitter, he's just a loving it. I can't. I cannot believe that you can notice Alex is drunk and then be like, there's still another hour and a half that I'm going to stay for. That's out of control.

I'll just go. Unless you're like somebody who's like, I'm never going to be allowed in this situation again. This is pretty fucked up for the story. I might as well. Yeah. Or something. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's the most generous interpretation I can come up with. So destiny tries to be like, Hey, why did everyone who Trump had investigate the voter fraud stuff say that it wasn't right? Real directed them to investigate it. So it would be in charge. Yeah, and then they found that it wasn't true So that's like him finding it wasn't and then Alex does the unthinkable. What's that? Well, he Compliance. Okay. Why is it if the election was being stolen? Why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, come back and say there was no evidence. It wasn't every single one. It was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it with were crazy. You just went in two seconds from everyone to most. I said, I'm not a young god in the West.

Everyone knows everything that's saying this all the time. Hi, verbally said. Trust it to investigate, meaning the vice president, the Department of Justice, the cybersecurity division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of our White House counsel. Every, I know how it works.

I know you're farming TikTok clips, okay? That's what we're doing right now. But the reality is, it's just almost every single person he asked all of them investigate Wait, two minutes ago. He said all of them that he said almost he didn't ask Sydney Powell to go and investigate She put on cockamedi schemes to him and he said oh, maybe these are okay Which by the way he also said you also said easy you just said all Wouldn't say there was fraud if he said oh get the full quote kind of like you're missing the rest of the 14th amendment there get everything I'm saying I know the contact hurts people like you

You live and you breathe 10 second you just no longer than that destroys everything you're trying to claim No, no, no, no, they got you again. You just said all his lawyers told him it all makes us now and we're going to show you the majority saying he won. Gotcha Alex. Yeah. Specifically who we're halfway through right. Exactly. Paul and Julie and who is on his team but he's climbing widespread election flood. Bro. Look.

Uh, well, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. on it. Yes, that's good. Folks, get it. Let's ask, I want to ask Glenn.

Get it, think, man. Glenn, do you think that the thing with Storn? Yeah, this is good, Glenn's take. So Alex is definitely, he wasn't peeing. No, I think it's fair to say. Nope. So this is a fascinating clip, because Destiny isn't entirely correct.

It even calls out the game that Alex is playing with farming TikTok clips, but there's a layer missing. Alex is just doing the blowhard part and relying on other people to come up with justifications for the claims he's making. Alex can't back any of this shit up, and he doesn't know any of these lawyers' names or any of this stuff.

His role is just to be an antagonist, yelling a bunch of shit that somebody else can add it together with some b-roll of like Breitbart and Substack headlines. And it doesn't really matter the destinies calling out the game. The moderator has no interest in defending the dignity of this debate, and the strategy that Alex is using is going to be effective for his ultimate goal in doing this, which is to maximize the attention he accrues from it.

Engaging in this conversation sincerely and debating the points would work in direct opposition to what Alex's goals are, and Alex couldn't handle that heavy lifting even if he wanted to. I find this fascinating, and it's really why I would have advised Destiny and even bed to not accept this invitation. No matter what you do, you're being used for attention farming. You can tell yourself that you're there to reach out to the reachable elements and Alex's audience all you want, but that doesn't exist.

You're never going to convince someone who lives in non-reality to accept reality through rational argument, and you're never going to be allowed to have a rational argument when coked out drunk ass Alex's in the room. By accepting this invitation, all you've really achieved is that you get to be used as a prop so Alex and the zilk can pretend that they're not in a bubble, and you score a bigger victory by just not being involved. Saying no is the right answer. Also, it's fascinating how much of a stickler Alex is for accuracy and language all of a sudden.

God forbid he'd be held to that standard or else you might end up doing a thousand episodes of a podcast about how foolish it is. Could be. Could be possible. Oh, well. Yeah, that that condescension is, you know, it's only matched by a couple of things we heard earlier. I, what, what this, what this is inadvertently done is make it clear to me why Alex still has

friends outside in the real world is because, and I am, like it makes sense, you can't get a nine-year-old drunk. It's against the law. But if you've ever seen a drunk nine-year-old, they're pretty funny. They're pretty funny. I would imagine. So imagine you've got a drunk nine year old, but it's legal to keep drinking. There you go. See the problem that I have in theory, is a nine year old sober black impulse control. Sure.

A nine year old drunk, probably terrible impulse control. The worst impulse control. Now if that nine year old is actually a 50 year old, very, very thick necked violent person, Sure. The impulse control deficiencies there are going to be, I don't want to be around. Ah, that's why you always got to point him away from you.

Always point him in the other direction, and he'll just keep walking forward. Just have like little flashbangs. You can throw to distract him if needed. Put little blinders on him, yeah, it makes perfect sense. And Alex Cone. I would be there. Destiny asks a really good question here in this next clip.

And it's something that there is no real answer for. And Alex, I'll use himself. OK. Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass selection fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually got in there?

That's what I had. That was testified to under oath. Oh, got it wrong. Do you think that would be considered an active corruption? The whole point is if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, is Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016. No, that's not right. That's not the question.

I'm answering the question. No, I'm answering the question. If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present the Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercised when he thought was his constitutional authority, might have been wrongful, but they weren't illegal and they most definitely weren't illegal. If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed

to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud. Otherwise he would replace Rosen with Clark. That was something he was allowed to do. False letter. You all the stuff's crap. The DOJ hadn't found anything. So the DOJ attesting that they had found something. They wouldn't do you false.

That's right. I know. In this world, we need evidence. I like, so I'm sorry. Oh, evidence. I know. I know. I know I know evidence evidence. Yeah So do you have a baby?

Isn't there a sitcom called two-minute baby? Yeah, it's a movie. Three men and it was a great movie. Oh, shut up. Sorry, I'm out. Yeah, Ian got your back. I can't you know what? That makes perfect sense that Ian is a person who thinks that three-bedded a baby is a great... Classic. So, Destiny's point here is really good because, in essence, that action that he's describing, telling the DOJ to sign off on this stuff, is not something that is defensible by your actual belief, but there's election fraud. You are asking them to commit fraud in service of pretending there was fraud. Right. And so Glenn's answer doesn't really answer. No, no, no. Because if you were to answer that, you'd be like frauds cool.

And then people go frauds, not cool. But sometimes it is. Yeah. I guess. So in this next clip, somehow we get off into the election, the 2020 election, right. And the votes, right. And what have you, things are off the rails. Reminder is about January six. And whether or not it was a false flag. Right. Um, so Ed, Ed or bad, bad, whichever one it is, Ed it's teen. He tries to explain to Alex why Biden's vote totals went up late, because that's a big part of Alex's conspiracy. You know, they dropped off all these fake parliaments and stuff. Yeah, I got you.

And so he tries to explain this to Alex very simply. Oh, boy, I would have, I would have like tackled him to try and keep him from explaining any of that to Alex. Well, here we go. I mean, it's a decent explanation that he gives. Oh, no, I agree. I'm sure it's great. I'm still tackling you because this is the wrong move, man.

Yeah. You pointed out, oh, out oh that the the the votes They went up way at night. They went up way high the Trump was winning and all of a sudden Biden pulled ahead at like one a.m. Renderage. Yeah, but do you understand that the media Basically told the American public that this is what happens basically every election. Yeah, they pre-programmed it We don't know do you understand? No, it does have every Understand what actually why that happened? No, I'm not sure I don't understand the truck

You know, you know, they shut down the polling places you let me You know, I told you and they blocked the window south and ran the same ballots over and over again No, I'll explain it to you Donald Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, from months before the election, he kept saying mail and ballots are rigged. Don't vote by mail. So do you think that Republicans are gonna vote by mail if Trump says not to?

So Republicans, but that's not gonna be a, let me finish. Now let me finish and then you can, Republicans didn't vote by mail. Because Trump said, I don't, it's not safe. Democrats voted by mail. Mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count

as they always are. So what happens? So Trump pulls ahead early in the night. Just like everybody said, was going to happen if you were paying attention? They start counting the mail on votes. Biden's moving up. They start counting more mail on votes

in these states that are in the big cities which are primarily Democrats. I'm gonna pause right here and say, hey, Darren, BD, why aren't you saying this is off topic? Neh, what happened? Neh. What happens? Biden pulls away ahead in the big cities. Just like everybody those paying attention you have. Can I talk to him? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened?

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What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? What happened? He's loaded machines over and over again, but let's you're right. You actually I don't know. Alex. Now let's let's stop. You're right. No, no, I agree with you. Trump actually lost. So why are you so scared to let him run again?

I'm not scared. Do I run so you support him being on the ballot? I support whatever Supreme Court says because I think they they should define what that's stupid. I think that's dumb. I'm not saying now. Everything you've said is stupid. Now let's go back to the to the pulling out votes or or tabulating votes multiple times. Stupid. Watch more than a dammit. 14 second clip that Giuliani put out there where they purportedly

pulled out ballots from under the table. No, no, no, no, why did Michigan and Georgia I don't know why they say a water main broke and later minute it didn't. These all went to court. All these were all day in court. Let me stop you. Let me stop you. Let me stop you guys. Hold on.

Stop. Can I say one thing? Let me say one thing. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was found guilty about two judges in Texas, Connecticut. You're right.

I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'll give you the floor. I was found guilty about two judges in Texas, Connecticut. I had a jury trial on how my damage is. I swear to God. Give me a fucking crossbow. Give me a fucking crossbow, right, God damn now. That is what you have to say to me, sir. I mean, wow.

Dude, it's fucked up. Wow. Yeah. Listen. Listen. I got one thing. Can I say something? Can I say one thing?

I got one thing to say to you. Ian, make these viewers shut up. I'm having a rough day. I was like, you'll be bad, Jeff. It doesn't make that. Oh my god. I can't believe everyone did not suddenly have like a moment of self reflection and then change everything about their lives.

I mean, I don't know about the second part. They might have had a moment of clarity. I think that this is not going anywhere. That should have been the end. Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably. Probably. So it continues.

Yeah. There's some talk of that, you know, these, these electoral abnormalities that are all bullshit that Alex is these meme talking points that he has. And somehow COVID comes up. What's a good. Quite off track. Stay on the topic or something. There is no topic. Or pick a better topic.

That could have been done. The Trump doesn't get a jury trial in New York. So you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run this country down the ground. You point to it. Man, wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial? January, I'm a sense right now.

January 6, what an insurrection. And we're referring to the running government. I'm talking about Democrats, the violence. That's like we're talking about the Democrats. The violence we want. And we're going to get it. But let me tell you, you guys keep looking running a violin We're not getting any of the other questions. I don't see why we talked about that before.

But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one. Once you guys start to fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing and then you'll know what it is. How long have you been calling

for martial law? How many decades now? Also, all the examples you bring up have been called down for martial law. Hey, like you guys guys, we

shut down. No, you didn't shut down any fucking ass. The screen we are one election and one

election and it stops you shut them down. Exactly. Are you part of Biden? Let me ask you question is is a no, why are we going to

get the virus is Rachel Maddell right? I'm going to this guy now. He brought it up. If Biden is right, then you take the shot, you're protected. Is that true? I think what Biden did was... I think what Biden did was...

Bies! Here's what Biden did for the shot. What happened was, Rapunzel and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes that you're claiming about, but the balance being ran three times. Not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false,

Trump repeated it over and over again, including a call to Rapunzel and finally Giuliani times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false. Trump knew that it was false. Trump repeated it over and over again, including a call to Ravensburger. And finally, Giuliani has come out saying that it was false, but it was his first amendment right to lie about it when Ruby Freeman took him to court for defamation, because he lied about something you clearly see on video evidence. Okay. Well, this is a question. Darren, firstly, do you think?

Yeah, let's get off. Let's get off that. That's how it was rigged or stolen, but also is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen. Cool, man. Cool. Cool. So I think that that was an incredibly smooth move. The destiny pulled that he was pretending that he was going to be. This is what Biden was doing with the vaccine. Yeah. And then just went to his point about Georgia. Yep. Like that's an ankle-breaking crossover.

Now, and you can kind of tell that Alex has no idea what he's saying. It couldn't follow the train of thought. Oh, no, no. Didn't realize, and that's great, because that shuts him up. It blew all their minds. It blew all their minds.

Yeah. How did he do that? Was that some sort of judo? Apparently. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Remarkable move. Yeah.

Just pretending you're going to talk about something and then getting back on topic What's this called a joke interesting? So now we okay? I'm gonna be honest. This is where a cliffhanger comes. Yeah, we're gonna come back and finish this up It's a one last juke. Yes, this is me But I think that this is a good place for a cross over Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think that this is a good place for a cross over cliffhanger. And the reason is, we're starting to see some of this shit

taken some kind of shape. Sure. There has been a lot of nonsense and a lot of, I mean, obviously as you pointed out, like, what is the topic? Yeah. You know, we're not on topic. I'm just absurd.

Everything is a complete mess. But now, the stew is started to cook. Yeah. Because Alex is drunk. That is important. He's becoming increasingly hostile. He's essentially threatening murder multiple times. Hey, if you guys don't act right, we're all kill ya. Who knows how this is going to unravel for him?

And simultaneously, like, you know, I think that bed has been fairly consistent throughout. Sure. But on the other hand, Destiny is clearly opening up a little bit. Ready for this shit to be dead. You're starting to see him laughing at Alex, treating him with disrespect and just are like, oh, of course you think that. This is where we are.

Yeah. Right. So these trends are starting. And yeah, we'll see how it's going to go. See how it's going to go. Yeah, we'll see how it relates. Yeah, we'll see. Absolutely. I don't know, I'm not good at teasing.

You're doing great. Now, this is the part that you're describing. You did great. The part where you go, I'm not that good at this. That's the part that you're describing by saying I'm not that good at this. If you didn't say that, I don't agree. Then you would be great.

I don't agree. That's the part. I think the tease was bad. I think it was clunky. Yeah. I was trying to explain, you would be great. I don't agree. That's the part. I think the tease was bad. I think it was clunky I was trying to explain you know like no, I know these are the intriguing elements right where dropping it here and picking it back up next time I think you got it. Okay. All right fine. Here we go anyway. We'll be back with the culmination of Bullshit indeed But until then we website and Dean we do it's knowledge fight.com. Indeed. But until then we have a website.

And Dean, we do, it's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we're also on Blue Sky. We are on Blue Sky. It's knowledge underscore fight. Twitter's just knowledge fight. Oh, I could probably find out. However, you do Blue Sky, we're there. Oh man, I should probably know these things.

Let's see, profile. Yeah, no underscore. Okay, knowledge fight. Blue Sky, let's go done cool. Yeah anyway, I will be back But until then I'm neo I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. Oh Twitter is gonna get you And now here comes the sex robots and Ian can's a sure on the earth. Thanks for holding So Alex I'm a first time color of a huge fan. I love your work. I love you And Ian Chanz is here on the Earth thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm the first time

calling him a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.