Knowledge Fight - #891: April 2-5, 2004

Episode Date: January 22, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to find Alex covering the most important issues of the day, including an angry divorcee in Alabama putting up signs in his yard and some guy in Oregon stealing a chicken.

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It's time to pray. Andi and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a Christian, and I'm a huge fan, I love your work. Knowledge Fight. No, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes, sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes. Sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan.

Quick question for you. What's your brand spot today, buddy? My brand spot today, Jordan, is I have heard the voice of the people. You've heard the voice of the people, all the people? I have listened to feedback and criticism. Sure. And I have reformatted my coverage of Alex's book, The Great Reset,

into a PDF that is downloadable. Right. Because I look, I was a little defensive about it. The immediate aftermath, because it was a huge undertaking. Totally. But the putting it on subsequent pages on a website was a very bad idea for how to how to lay things out It can be and so I have corrected that and is now in a PDF if you go to Alex Jones as an idiot calm It is all there and you can download it. I believe you can load it into an e-reader even Yeah, you know whatever you can do with PDFs. Oh, you can do it all So yeah, that's there as it's a relief because that was hanging over my head a little bit of like I want the information to be accessible to people and this is obviously not the way to have done it. Sure. But yeah, I think in the future, I figured out how to do it. Right, right. Which is to say I figured out how to make a PDF, which is great at almost

40. I think it's interesting that you've been putting Excel on your resume for all these years and I think I probably have. I think so too. Yeah. So many things I put on my on my resume unchallenged never came up until you need them. Right. Man, that would really be useful right now. That thing I said I could do all these years. Turns out it can't. Turns out. Yep. So it's your bright spot. My bright spot is another year wrapped up games done quick marathon. There's a lot of fun.

I had planned a joke where my bright spot was going to be the awesome games done quick because I knew it was going to be yours. I was going to steal it from you. You chunked it. You chunked it. You you had to get too excited about that thing that you created that I think is really great. Well, alright. So what was your high point of the games? There were some great runs. There was a dog. A dog did a run.

A dog played a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got trained as dog. I don't know. It was a game about sleepwalking. It was like the dog But anyways the dog press the button and then it unpress the button. It's a set right you get it It's not really much of a game. My favorite though was a somebody had hooked up a drum set drum kit MIDI style to Super Mario 64 okay, so they were playing to Super Mario 64. Okay. So they were playing the game through the drums. How do you do directions? So that was the idea. So there was north, south, you know, that kind of thing on all of the

toms. So then you keep moving forward. You have to roll to keep moving forward. And then he had a thing he could hit. So it contained momentum. Then he had a jump button. He had a whole thing. In order to spin Bowser around, he had to do full spin rolls. It was fantastic. It was great. Did he beat the game?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He beat the game. That would be exhausting. It took like a half hour. It was ridiculous. That's still, like, that's the best cardio. Yeah, it was amazing. I watched somebody, I think I had a,

just it was recommended on YouTube sure entirely sure why but I had a marble game marble madness marble madness. Yeah, I have vague memory of that from like old Nintendo yeah, maybe maybe not maybe it's just very similar to games that I played on Right, but I was like I'll check this out. Sure. It's very boring. Yeah. It's just people put like marble physics. It does happen. That can backfire. Yeah. But hey, the raise the money for charities who gives a shit. Yeah, they raised, they raised 2.5 plus million dollars. Not too bad. But I think what's cool about that far greater than any of that, because you know, cancer is a disease and we all die no matter what sure but what we don't have to deal with is people who deny human rights and one of the constant refrains to the point that you

cannot escape it is that trans rights are human rights sure they always make sure to fucking go hard on that so okay super cool that's good yep good folk so Jordan today we have an episode to go over. Yeah, and I decided Fuck this noise. Good call. I'm going to the past. I genuinely don't I don't need to know the next part of that Tired of the present go into the past good today. We're gonna be talking about April 2nd through 5th All right 2004 and that's a Friday and a Monday, so it's not really that much right a huge stretch of a time But man man. Oh man oh man what what fun I mean comparatively yeah yeah it's good it's good stuff yeah there's actually some interesting things

to go down on this episode and I'm thrilled to discuss them but until we get to that oh shit whoa let's say a load of some new walks Jordan that's a great idea my mouth ain't working that's a great idea first, my name is Nick and I come from sports. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I come from sports. I do think that might be your greatest contribution to the public space.

I come from sports. Next, if you trust me, my name to read was balls, balls, balls. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. You're supposed to do that in a voice what is it a reference who did I forgot to you didn't put a voice in there a voice note I think you were supposed to do it like a circus announcers voice I guess I just made you say balls balls balls for no

reason and a weird weird yeah anyways it's all good it's all good so next Alex Jones graduated from my mother-in-law's College of Revisionist history Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Thank you next Archbishop Archie of the Archdiocese of arches. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy Wonk. Thank you very much. You can't catch me. You can't fuck me up with those arches I think I'm gonna tongue twist and those arches. I think I'm gonna tongue twist. And, uh, Kristen Erseine enthusiast. Thank you so much for now, policy wonk. I'm a policy. Thank you very

much. I know you. Erseine enthusiast. Uh, and we got a tank crab in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to please Dan sing as much of one night in Bangkok. Uh, you can remember because it's a banger and I love chess. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk Someone someone Sotomayet sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little kitty, baby I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ

I think I've sung about enough of it as much as of it as I remember I just I think I've I've I've I think I think I've sung all the lyrics that I remember I think you have yeah, I imagine so I gotta find another Murray head song to just like pretend to like or something You know, I I mean yeah, I think got to is strong can good. It's possible when you have time I could pretend maybe I feel like got to suggest the level of urgency that maybe it doesn't require. Do you think it's a good choice for me to just insist that I really love that song, the King of

Wishful thinking. Do I think it's a good character choice? Yeah. Yes. Well, let me give you two choices. OK. King of Wishful Thinking. Sure. Or Mandolin Rain. Listen to the Mandolin Rain.

Or I'll get over you. I know I will. I'm going to have to go with Mandolin Rain. You're wrong. So Jordan, like I said, today we have an episode. We're in the past. there'll be some interesting things to talk about some stupid things but first here is an outer context drop I would have heard that our son has another son you would have yeah that's probably true

you get there's a part we don't we're not going to listen to it all while Alex gets really mad at a guy for not giving specifics about how there's another son that's gonna crash into the earth oh I was I was in I was in my head being like, all right, secret families. Why is there a conspiracy about Rex having his own secret family? No, Rex would have been a young in at this point. Too young, too young. Got you. This is a solar system issue. Hmm. This is a solar system issue. Yep. Gotcha. So we start off here and we dive in, see what Alex is concerned about on April 2, 2004. Two years ago, I told you that I saw Governor Ridge, even before Homeland Security got funding in late 2002, on C-SPAN with a

whole bunch of corporate chiefs who are press conference or meeting and i am take it got it in the big stocks here some day i hope to put a clip of it in a video some and governor riz said to have a job your i'd card your national i'd card through the driver's license will have your four levels of security court you'll have to be federal approved to have a job anywhere

and with the new national sales tax that will bring federal enforcement into every business as the overseers well the washington times reported on this five days ago and i just learned of it and i i have the article so you can do it here and here at two years before you can just read the mainstream media and find out later

i'd say okay on the list no job for you that's the headline and to give you end up getting on the list how do you do that well bad credit you go from a green to a yellow and uh... you have to go work off the debts to be able to get a job in the government's gonna have to do that you have to work a billion drab together that's the key for them

environmental and grabbing programs done grabbing stasi title tell squads it's all but i know it's all but i know it's all but i know it's all uh... it's all uh... happening uh... i mean none of that is happening. How many colors do you need for a system like this? You know, you go from green to yellow. He's imagining the terrorism watch.

Right, right, right. Color coded index. But I mean, in a practical sense, how many, if we're setting up this system, how many colors would we need on the color wheel of how much debt you have? Right? I think it's any, or it's, it would be just black and white. It'd just be black.

Any debt or none? Any or none. That's the difference. You're in the red or the black? You got debt, can't get a job. The Washington Times article that Alex is talking about is actually about the, if you have, like people who hire things for positions in like infrastructure critical roles, there is a database that they can check people who

apply for those jobs on to see if they have any flags that come up. Right. So that's what they're talking about. Right. It's kind of a misrepresentation. Yeah. So there's a couple of very important things that happen on this stretch of episodes. And we're about to be introduced to the first one here.

This is out of WAFF Huntsville, The Catering Shoals covers three large towns in Alabama. And a veteran, no criminal record, was tired of the corruption. He put a nice little small sign in his yard, didn't buy pilot any zoning laws well in the country and here there's a picture of the sign on info wars dot com we have a link to w

a f f it's got for documents there our court system is a joke that's all it said and i have the judge is ruling here he said this is a direct disrespect and direct contempt for your divorce somewhere in this one and then he ordered the county who arrest him immediately. And he was arrested and put in shackles in a four by six cell and left shackled a form of torture.

And the gentleman who were going to get on the show said, you know what, I'm going to stay here forever. And there was such a public outcry, if it had been California, New York probably wouldn't have been that the court apologized and released him but this is what's scary they and their power trip and their compulsive aggressive garbage just that was their instinct arrest that man! sure folks that's England pre-Magnacarta. That's Nazi Germany. That's Russia.

So Alex is playing a little fast and loose with some details on this story. Sure. Like he's not naming the person who put up the sign, which makes it more difficult if you're just listening to this to check up on it. What's the story here? I got bad vibes. So, uh, here's what's going on. Uh-huh. Your instincts are pretty sharp. Ha ha ha ha know, sometimes you just hear divorce and something.

So this has to do with a fellow named Philip Dean, who had just gone through a particularly nasty divorce, in which his ex-wife got custody of their kids. So it is true that he posted a sign on his yard that said, quote, our court system is a joke. But what Alex fails to mention is that there were three other signs. Right, right, right, right. court system is a joke, but what Alex fails to mention is that there were three other sides One said quote judge Harrelson said my minor children 13 and 15 need to be with her mother even though she let them smoke pot Take drugs and run wild

It's a lot for a sign. All right, so this is a little bit like three billboards outside ebbing But uh, you know a little bit different. I don't know movies. Okay fair enough the third said quote this tells my kids It's okay to do drugs and the last quote we wonder why so many kids are on drugs All right, okay The judge found out about these signs and considered them contempt of court and he had a sheriff bring Philip in where he was held For about 26 hours before appearing for the judge right and being released and he got an apology for I agree The judge is a whiny little baby and he crammed up his butt. Absolutely. You're a whiny little baby and you can cram it up your butt. Yeah.

Yeah. This one is a whole big mess because on some very basic aspects, I agree with the underlying point that Alex is trying to make, which is that it's wrong that this guy got arrested for putting up a yard sign. But I just can't sign up for the way that Alex plays games with the information. Yeah. If you present the way that Alex plays games with the information Yeah, if you present the image that the guy was just a concerned citizen and put one sign up saying the courts are a joke Then he was arrested it seems it comically tyrannical Yeah, yeah, yeah, however if you present the story with all its details like how he was embroiled in a nasty divorce and custody battle

How there were four yard signs one of which directly named the judge? Yeah, get a slightly different picture. If you consult the relevant information and read up on his later unsuccessful attempts to sue the officers who arrested him, you come away with the impression that Philip Dean is kind of an asshole. He sucks, but that does not mean

that he should have been arrested for something that's more or less his free speech. But for Alex, he needs to paint this guy as like a blameless hero hero who's just sick of the corruption He might be just like you random info wars Listeners sick of the corruption to the point where he decided to take action by putting up a single innocent sign Right, but the state was too threatened by this that they had to illegally crush this descent small as it may have been It's an oversimplification that I think hurts the audience's ability to engage with the story as it's actually

Is in the real world yeah, you can have figures that you stand by because of principle But who suck not everyone has to be a blameless hero in order for you to have their back But I suspect that that nuance is difficult for Alex's brand of narrative to cope with yeah Yeah, you have to deal with this guy kind of sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why why does he kind of suck? I mean, I think it's kind of fascinating that level of like small-town dickery That Alex just won't Won't really acknowledges is a serious issue

You know like it has to be it has to be part of the grand conspiracy But you know it's sometimes that guy's just a dick, you know like I think everybody is so far involved in this story as an asshole Well, the judge is an asshole the cop. Why are you just doing what a judge tells you to do? That's asshole shit. Yeah, the guy who put up signs. What are you doing putting up signs? You're a asshole. Well, like all of this is asshole shit It's interesting to me too because it is such a small town as shit. Yeah, like anybody driving by there Be like, oh, I got a bad divorce Even you hearing basic

details of the story could tell if you. Oh, divorce. Like, oh, that guy is divorced. Yep. That's rough. Yeah. Yeah. There is that. So this will become a major focus of the next couple days of Alex's show. Of course. Yep.

So there's some other stories about police corruption and this one I thought, it revealed something very interesting. Alex is talking about some police officers in Miami that got charged and convicted with planting guns on people that they had shot in order to cover up bad shootings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so here's how Alex discusses this. Okay, Miami cops found guilty in gun planting conspiracy Closing a chapter in the city's biggest police corruption scandal in decades So the Sun Sentinel a federal grand jury federal jury She's been convicted three Miami police officers Thursday have conspired to cover up questionable shootings by lying about guns planted near suspects bodies Lieutenant Israel Izzy Gonzalez

Sergeant Jose Pepe, his name, Plantario and Officer Jorge nicknamed termite Garcia showed no emotion as the jury returned its verdict after days of contentious filmirations and a dismissed juror who disagreed with the majority said she was told by another juror, go back to Cuba. So there, you know, I guess, oh well that's my race, I can't convict them. Wow. So these specific cops were pieces of shit and they planted evidence to justify things like a 1997 shooting of an unhoused person who the officer thought had a gun, but it turned out it was a Walkman.

In order to cover that up they planted a.45 caliber handgun on the guy. Makes sense he could afford it. Yeah, but what I find more important is Alex's very clear racism at the end of that clip. In the course of the trial, a member of the jury who would go on to be dismissed didn't agree with the majority of the jury and was told go back to Cuba. This is quite obviously an instance of the person saying that being racist towards this dismissed juror. Right. All the defendants in the case were Hispanic and you wouldn't say go back to Cuba unless you thought the person might be from Cuba.

So it stands to reason that the juror was probably Hispanic as well. It would be insane, yeah. So she may very well may have just not reached the point of being beyond reasonable doubt based on the evidence that was presented, but the racist comment that she was subjected to paints her disagreement as being based in an unwillingness to say any Hispanic person is guilty of anything. Yeah maybe she's a Blue Lives Matter lady you know. When Alex reads that someone said this to her he doesn't think wow that's a shitty thing to say to someone who's clearly a US citizen since they're on a jury.

Nope. Instead he takes on the thinking of the racist harasser and reports it to his audience that this is the mentality that that woman had that she could never convict someone of her own race. It's about time somebody said what we're all thinking. That is quite simply Alex's racism popping out. Yep. He does a good job of not throwing around slurs, but if you pay attention to the framing around stories that deal with race,

or you notice these little throwaway moments It's really clear. Yeah, the picture is Full display. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah If you're if you're playing first-person video games or you can jump into whose point of view is who Alex is always in the point of View of the person who's like racism's right. Yeah, I think it's a good call. I'm more comfortable playing this character So Alex goes to calls. Sure. There's not, I will say that not a lot happens on the second.

Yeah. There's the expectation that the guy who put up that sign is gonna show up. Yeah. But he doesn't. Ah. That sucks. There's a little bit of treading water

that goes on on the second. And so it leads to Alex taking some not very great phone calls. Heather in Colorado. Welcome to the airwaves. Yeah, hi Alex Jones. Yeah, I've been trying to get your documentaries and on DVD and I've been mailed to defective ones. And I've been trying to call your customer service. Well, you've certainly heard everybody else that that I want to go back. I want to go back

found there's about to take a back. I don't know. There's hundreds of different types of DVD players and in some of them they don't work. Like I go to Blockbuster Video and I'd say one out of 20 DVDs like it doesn't work on my Sony player. You say you've been sent them repeatedly so we are responding and sending it to you. Unfortunately, I can't handle customer service here but we will send you a VHS or we'll refund your money

if your DVD isn't working. Which would you like? I guess I'd rather just take the VHS because the DVD isn't working. Okay, well you say you had a problem once and we sent you another one. Yeah. So what I'm going to ask you to do, this is a byproduct of not screening calls and it's fine but I just can't do it on air on a radio show. Is it fine? We sent you another one and that's good of us because that's good of you to get it. Is it good? But now your DVD player doesn't read a DVD 9. It does. It's almost three hours long. Some DVDs can't read it. We will send you

a VHS. We put you on hold and get your number and I'll handle customer service during the break. This is quaint. Oh God I like Alex's ability to deal with that. Sure, you know, like it's it's an inconvenience This is not what the show is for no not supposed to be able to not blow up on her Which is pretty nice. It is pretty unusual for him based on who we know him to be in the present. Yeah Yeah, that's is just a different time back then. Yeah. You know, it was a different time. I do love the first of all the the mysteriousness of DVD players like this is the first Fast and Furious movie. Is there an exotic commodity? It is. It is exciting. Do you want a VHS is not something I expected to hear today. But then I also

love the repeated instance on getting her to acknowledge that we did send you another one. We did good at this. We are. Our customer service is pretty great. We sent you two DVDs that cost us $4 to burn. So this will be the first of two frustrating phone calls that Alex gets. But this one, this next call is actually on topic barney and maryland go ahead to the uh... man arrested for a record of sign contempt the court may apply in the courtroom but the first amendment applies everywhere else was involved in the i think it also applies to our courts are a joke

and the judge thinks that he it you know everywhere uh... in the county is god you can you got a look at this book we'll be impeached for valley supreme law of the land of first amendment i agree to my body so the judge in this case actions were reviewed and he was advised to be more careful in the future but face no formal punishment at fuck that lawsuits filed by philip of all failed on the merits uh... in this Also, you can tell by this conversation that these guys are having that they either don't

know the fact of the case or they're just lying about it. Yeah. Alex is saying that he had nothing to do with this judge's court when in fact the judge had presided over his custody hearings and the judge's name was on Philip's one of his signs. Yeah. Yeah. Why would Alex want to obscure that information? Is it possible that he, he doesn't know? Has he not read that deeply into paragraph three of any story about this? I think maybe that's the stuff you, you leave off. I think it might be.

I think, I think because then the narrative, here's why. It's not because it changes the hero or the villain here. It's because if you're listening from the point of view of an Alex Jones listener in circa early thousands, right? Then your point of view changes not from, Oh, this is government overreach to this judge is a whiny loser. He should have challenged that man to a fight. Fisticuffs would have solved these problems. You know what I'm saying? Put my name on a billboard. We fight. The name comes off or it stays on and then we know you know you're in trouble when a judge takes off his robe exactly judge walks up to you

if you if you can't do that then you fucking eat it because you get to wear the robe I guess I'm not sure exactly if that's why you would exactly why but that could be one of the responsibilities there So Alex gets another color and if you think VHS is our quaint. Oh boy Let's talk to Bill in Oregon bill. You're on the air. Go ahead Alex first of all, I just want to say you're a damn good man. I appreciate you being here This is just do me. We have a lot of homes to go to, go ahead. Yeah, Alex's cold is a percent down.

Shut the fuck up. It's ridiculous. Every time I hear that I'm like, what? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? Smash cut to the present day where Alex is screaming about demons pissing in your face. I am getting very furious with time. I don't like it. It passes and things change and I don't always like the difference between the two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you hope that time is largely a progression of growth and a progression as opposed to a deterioration. Sure. And that's why it's frustrating because

we were watching a deterioration of a person. Right. We're going back to a time when he was more capable. Yeah. And, I mean, look, I think it's silly to scold people for saying damn on air or something like that. But at least it's in line with his puritanicalness. Yeah. He doesn't live up to it himself.

No, no, no. Do as I say, not as I do, my friend. Look, if you have collars that you're like presiding over, you're kind of like a judge who can arrest someone for putting up a billboard. Wow. You just arbitrarily scold them for saying damn on the show I mean you could call it policing if you will It's uh yeah yeah

So uh Alex talks a little bit more about this Alabama billboard situation Sure sure sure Alright your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes I wanted to recap this story because it's so outrageous we can't just graze or glaze over this as they say. Wait what? W-A-F-F and we even found some other articles on this. You can look through them all up to his ears and legal documents. Philip Dean is fed up with the judicial system.

That's the kind of court system we've got in Jackson County, Alabama and I want everybody to know what Dean says. So he put a sign sign this front lawn saying quote Our court system is a joke little bitty looks like a political sign. It's like little bitty Maybe you're going a little over the top here got a bunch of photos here a message landing him behind bars He's just not dealing with the fact of the story. No, you know, and it's it's it's glaring. It's so much funnier. Why not? Well, because if you deal with the reality of the story that

is somewhat funny, you don't get to use it the way that Alex does about, like, hey, you're next person who speaks up against the globalist. Be scared. Give me money. Buy my books. I mean, you know, now I really think it is like, I don't want to go back in time and stop the show

I want to go back in time and make the show better Hmm, you know like if it if it was legit funny if early on Alex were's were awarded for being good at Learning things they're being funny or be or expressing talent in any way other than the ability to just fucking talk Now I probably go the same way. Yeah, probably. So we get another caller. Yeah. And she's found a book. No!

And this book... That's not good! This book is an arcane book full of mysteries and demons. Oh no! Damn it! Right now, let's go back to the calls. Go ask Alice. Amy in Texas, go ahead.

Hello? Uh, Anne, go ahead. Oh, hi. Anne. Um, I, go ahead. Oh, hi. Ann. I've been calling because I found a 1903 book from the Mason and there are four pictures in it, an illustration. One of them is a skeleton wearing a fez and everyone wearing the fez is stepping on like people and they're being seen as wits and scepters and there are people being decapitated on being, uh, one-tanged, one-as-things, thought-and-to. And, uh, the

people who are doing this are all wearing the fez. Yeah, the red little fez they wear at children's events symbolizes the murder of Christians by the Muslims. Whoa. Okay. That's extreme. Jordan is absolutely losing it. He's had to take off his glasses. They're all wearing a fez. All the skeletons, all red and red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red, red I aspire to whatever whatever amount of knowledge you would enter the world with on a daily basis if you have to call I was chosen say There are these skeletons with pheasants on them. Should I be concerned this 1903 book that I found? Skeletons with pheasants on them a yeah, all right, so Alex takes this information

Hey, all right. So Alex takes this information About the skeleton fez is first skeletons, right? And then he transitions this into talking about member We covered this on a 2004 episode a little bit ago when there was in Long Island They had a Masonic Lodge initiation. Yes. Yes. I recall I got shot. Yes, and Alex made a big deal out of that Oh, I recall he brings that back into the conversation. Thanks to these feds where skeletons boy. I mean, I despise the impetus, but I'm glad to see you come back. He has a Rola decks. He's able to pull things out of Rola decks decently. Well, at this point, remember three weeks ago in Long Island, they blew the guys head off in a Masonic ritual. That's a lot like a skeleton with a test they found coffins they're always has a black halters and they black halters and says claimed it was

an accident they let the guy go and it's not as threatening with Fezz's $2,200 that's how they get you and then we found a track record of them accidentally blowing people's heads off in these rituals and it's always an accident when the Mason cops arrive very serious in the world as they were into this it's always an accident when the Mason cops arrive. Very serious. All the Mason's are into this. It's the higher level ones and it's been taken over by the Illuminati, according to George Washington, it wasn't always like this. What?

George Washington went public against it. Wait. John Quincy Adams and others. Wait. And Skull and Bones is a higher level of this. They get in coffins. I'm not going to say the prayer on air. It's very blasphemous.

They ask Lucifer who they call God to enter down. Hey, Satan. Love you, bud. level of this they get in coffins i'm not going to say the prayer on air it's very blasphemous they have to do so for they call god and i think they love you about our two weeks war against the cattle right the slaves of the profane sure uh... the uh... neophytes you know the picture all of dragon and uh... you thought that the lady

they for hours just continually chat lucifer enemy Lucifer get with the dragons What are we doing here folks? This is what our Christian post our Christian conservative leaders are part of this and now this is the very Christian I'm against it. Well, anyway, I wanted to tell you about the pictures because they were very shocking they're shocking skeletons of Fez ah wow dragons wow. Dragons without Fez's. That was a ride.

Sure. That was a ride. Sure. And it's not over. I had a great time, but I'm excited to see where it goes from here. We have a sort of a... De Numeau of the... Okay, this is like a... Okay.

...of the call. All right. Yeah, what book is this particular that you have? Oh, God. It's called The History of the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles, the Domestic Shrine. It was written in 1903 and a letter in the front is from a bell-culling-bell's noble. Anyway, nobody... Yeah, do me a favor. Will you Xerox copy and color the cover and then the inside pages and mail

that to me the cover the published date copy and those pictures because it's the folks that just joined us to think I make stuff up. You notice I said that this isn't this is the Arabic branch but this is white guys. It's gonna do with Arabs. This is the Arabic branch of the higher rights and you notice I said that and then you just said the Arabic order. Arabic branch of the higher rights and you notice I said that and then you just said the Arabic order. Yes, I'll get that to you today.

Yeah, please, please do it. And that's the slaughter of the Christians celebrating. Oh, how they love it. When they come to the schools to register your children with the face scans and thumb scans and they smile with a little red hairline feathers though hi where your friends give us your firearms soon we'll be in total control hahahaha soon we'll own a city with the credit size of us and the black well flow you fuzz is stupid we are almost in total control of you. That's what they really like. Okay. Okay

Hope that scares you because you should be concerned. I'm not scared No, no amount of voices are gonna make me scared of the fucking Shriners. That's who he's talking about I know furthermore furthermore This woman called you because skeletons were wearing fezzes in a book and she doesn't need help being scared yeah she doesn't need your assistance that book has like a sort of ominous name but it's just the like history of the Shriners which explains the fezzes they all wear fezzes yep yep it's a cute it was a cute impression that Alex did but in the real world, the biggest impact they have

is opening children's hospitals and driving around in funny cars that are too small. I'll see you at the age of nine! Yeah, I'll see you if you need your tonsils out. What are you doing? Oh, Christ. So we have one last caller from this April 2nd show. Ooh.

And this one's a bit confrontational. That, my printer doesn't work. No It's not another customer service. Okay. All right, but it's a bit confrontational about Alex. Okay what he does and does not do Okay, and he could talk to you're on the air. Oh, and whatever your name is Go ahead Alex get to talk to you man. I've been supporting you for a couple years now You did excellent work. I do have a couple of homes to talk to you man. Been supporting you for a couple years now. You did an excellent work. I do have a couple of bones to pick with you though and I hope you give me a couple minutes to speak about it.

Basically, a bunch of my friends and I have been supporting you for a couple years now and we drove up to San Francisco just this last weekend for the International Inquiry about 9-11. And I kind of feel like he dropped a ball a little bit, man. Drops a ball? That was a gentleman's consensus we got from've got the ball of the man that's not showing up where it was a gentleman which we got from speaking with a lot of people there it was a very powerful lot of people a lot of people running around trashin me

huh no no actually a lot of people supporting you selling your videos and books and those are really selling my videos yeah it was really uh... it was a really good event actually it was very very powerful uh... both to uh... uh... like where this is going. I think the boy representing at El Miragliani, he was at 4 o'clock in the morning at a diner actually and he was at the

conference. That's where the conference starts. You know what I don't know. You know what I called them and said are you going? They said they weren't going. I don't know. You said I was going about on there? See that's the thing, that's actually one of the bugs I've taken out of the game. You fucking call Andreas Maldillo. You don't even know the truth. I've been listening to you for a long time and a couple months leading up to the inquiry, you were scheduled to be there and I never once heard you on air mention even though I

want to get into a big a big thing over this I never I'm not gonna sit there and attack people to put this on let me just say this we just say this you don't normally get invited to something by not learning your names on a list now okay into the discussion you have anything else to talk about? Yeah, absolutely. Can I hold through to the commercial break? What do you want to talk about? Just I want to talk about peak oil and other things. Yeah, we can talk about that imaginary peak oil situation when we get back. Not so not so pleasant. Oh, man. So there was a, they do they did this a couple times with COVID too and you see this happen periodically is

the conspiracy theorists get together and have a mock trial. Sure. You know they did one with Obama they the citizens they've got that's what the thing was a mock trial. They were doing a mock government proceeding. Yeah. About 9 11 and Alex was I, advertised that he was going to be on it or something, but here's the thing I don't quite understand about that. When he says you don't find out that your book to be on something because you find out you're on a list, this implies to me one of two

things. It could either be that you're on the list of attendees and that's how you find out or if you're on a government list and you got on the list of attendees and that's how you find out. Yeah. Or if you're on a government list, right? And you got on it because of being, uh, like invited to be on this thing, which would imply that the people who are running it are feds. I don't know. I don't know which he's trying to imply, but it could be either or both. I got the, I got the vision. Imagine you're looking at the Lollipalooza poster and you're like, my band's on there. That's the way I got never call that a list Yeah, that's fair, but that's not the lineup or something. That's why I that's that yeah That's where my mind goes is that's the only thing that makes sense to me Otherwise if it's on a list that sounds like a no fly list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds like a lunatic

Alex is also a little nuts. That is a fair point and it's a citizen's International inquiry into 9-11. That's what I'm saying That's why it makes sense to me for him to find out that he like that's what makes sense to me is that they're like having a Stupid mock trial or thing and they're like oh Alex is gonna be there and he's like I just found out about this or he or when you screamed At me he agreed to do it and forgot that is also entirely possible I don't know I don't know exactly what the deal is but it's nice It's nice to hear somebody give Alex the business in a very light way. Is there a way we can make all of

them just go back to making their fun mock trials? Well, no, they were doing it during COVID and it was it was awful. I know they're still doing it. Oh, God. Now we need to get them to go back to being scared of skeletons wearing hats. We do. We do. Maybe that's our problem. Maybe we have not weaponized pictures of skeletons wearing pheasants. We should all be carrying them around.

Fucking guns. No, don't need them. They're terrified of pictures of skeletons and pheasants. Forget about MAGA. Maswa. Make America scared of skeletons wearing hats. It's not perfect. They think it would have to be a massage. What's in there too. I think it's got to be two syllables or we're out.

Yeah. So we have the weekend and Alex is simmered. Sure. And now we're back on the fifth. All right. On Monday has that VHS been said probably we've got confirmation one way or another all right fine But what I can confirm for you is the guy who made the billboards is going to show up on this All right, very good news so that will be paid off. Okay, but first Alex has another guest that he's teasing okay Here we are live it is another week spanning out before us. It's Monday, the fifth day of April 2004. I'm Alex Jones, your host. The website's freshly updated. Our prisonplanet.com and infowars.com. We have a huge show coming up today. In 30

minutes, the Grammy Award-winningwinning uh... i guess you've gonna call it coribbean style jazz band whatever me pretty mild stuff is going to be joining us uh... there again grammy award-winning they didn't touch the police absolutely nothing what so they were attacked by the downtown or being charged with felony crimes what is about to happen?

I was on video. They now charge you with resisting arrest. If you don't answer their questions, we even have Supreme Court rulings that don't show respect to King Herod or Caesar. Sure. You're in the trouble. Interesting thing for the Supreme Court to say. So that's coming up. That's coming up. Yeah.

So what bad? What bad? You don't know. What bad? Is it 311? Is it 311? It's coming up. Yeah. So what? What band? What band? What band? Is it 311? Is it 311? It's not. It's not Nick Hexham. Okay. Okay. Remember the other members? Sure. It's not 311. It's not 311. It feels 311. Alex hates 311. Yeah. Who does it? It's Oza Motley. Oza Motley. Yeah. Oza Motley. Do not remember. So they are Afro Latin. There's a little funk going on. They're very, they have a lot of different genre explorations. Wow, apparently their genre is mild.

No, I would actually describe them as quite not mild. They're fairly political in messaging. Sure. They did a fair amount of, I mostly know them because they did some work with Charlie Tuna from J5. All right. And so that's how I ended up coming away. We did some stuff with some From J five. All right. And so that's how I ended up coming away. I did some stuff with some other rappers too. All right. It was pretty interesting. The way

like instrumentation along with the rap. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I found out. I don't know a whole lot about Ose Motley, but I always had a positive impression of them. All right. Turns out they've been on in force. Yeah. All right. Okay. Sure. Why not? So have we talked about Ose Motley at all? No, we have not. Okay. Because Alex has mentioned this incident a couple of times. Okay. And I was kind of thinking like, well, this is going to be going somewhere. And it turns out where it was going is Ose Motley being on the show. I did not see that coming. Yeah. So here's what happened. The situation, it's a huge mess and technically no one was really fully in the right. Sure. So the band was in Austin for South by Southwest and on March 18th of this year, they were

playing on 6th Street. Quite innocently and in good fun, a couple members of the band decided to end the show at 2.30 in the morning with a conga line out into the streets, which is a violation of the noise ordinances in Austin. Sure. You may be able to make a bunch of noise on the streets, but effectively being a band with instruments like a drum and leading what amounts to an impromptu parade, that's a little bit beyond the line. What you're gonna say? Cops are gonna have. Hey. No. It is what it is. So an officer tried to step in and tell them to calm it down.

And in the process, their drummer Jiro Yamaguchi inadvertently hit a cop with a drum. All right. Well, that's not going to go well. go well. He was trying to like turn it around. Sure, sure, sure. No, no, no. It's very inconvenient to carry. It was a fucking three stooges start, yeah, it begins. So this turned into a nasty situation pretty quick and three Ozamotli members got arrested.

Sure. Yamaguchi for assaulting an officer and their basest and manager for failure to obey a lawful order and interfering with police duties respectively. And then cut to the cat that accidentally for failure to obey a lawful order and interfering with police duties respectively. And then cut to the cat that accidentally scratched the drummer's foot and then made the whole thing smiley.

You think the drummer has a paw? I think so. Okay. I do now because it's a Muppet drummer. So there were a ton of people recording because this was on 6th Street. Sure. Although I do now want to ask you how many members of the Electric Mayhem you can go with. I can't do any. You can't. I don't think so.

Lou Zealand. I mean, I can't do it. Not under pressure. Okay. Okay. So you know it's on 6th Street during 6th South by Southwest. So there's a bunch of people with cameras around. So the reality of the situation came out pretty fast, particularly that the police acted inappropriately and that Yamaguchi wasn't trying to hit the cop with his drum. All parties reached a compromise where the band members pled no contest to lower level misdemeanors and everybody went on with their lives, saving a complete embarrassment.

Yeah, everybody going like, I wish none of us had done any of this. Yeah. So that pleading down and compromising to a no contest thing that wouldn't happen until July so this episode from April is right in that sweet spot where it looks like the members could be facing felonies. Sure. Even in April it wasn't a really likely scenario given the copious amount of evidence on Ozamatli's

side but it's really good optics for Alex to exploit and it's a fairly famous band who will agree to come on his show. Yeah. And so that's big. I think yeah no, no, it's a good decision all around on everybody's part, because they should be putting public pressure onto the fucking cops for sure. And I think it was in 2000, I think that year is correct. I know it's before this.

They had played at the DNC. So like they had a profile. You know, they weren't, they were, they're fairly obscure in maybe some of the mainstream or circles, but they're not a in maybe some of the mainstream or circles, but they're not they're not a small band. All right. And so the idea of them being on Info Wars is pretty, pretty silly.

Interesting. All right. But this incident and especially it happening in Austin really is that sweet spot. So we're not actually going to listen to much of their interview when it does happen because it's kind of not that interesting. Yeah. Just the fact that the that interesting. Yeah. I mean, just the fact that it happened is more interesting. The story happened. Yeah.

There's really not much to say other than like, ah, again, I wish nobody had done any of that. And it's almost like them saying like, well, we've performed in Austin before and done a conga line before. Yeah. It's like, no, that you should. You had every reason to think it would be OK. Yeah. Yeah. And then we shouldn't be getting facing felonies. And then, yeah, you shouldn't be. And then you end up not eventually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like we just know it should be. I mean, it's like literally here's the interview. A reasonable person goes, Hey, everybody, we're not doing anything any further. Just

stop. And then we move forward and we're done. And we're not going to listen to much of that interview because there are very, very issues okay mic'd out for that oh no and remember the story friday out of alabama in their local newspapers and television stations reporting that a man put a side up in his yard saying that our court system is a joke and proving that point the local judge had him arrested and said this respective government is illegal came out and said you're not government is illegal. Came out and said, you're not allowed to criticize us. This is what they think. And sounds unbelievable,

but it's actually happening. And then we got a call Friday from a listener claiming that in Oregon, he saw a local news story and I had seen a barb about it that a man saved a homeless chicken that lived on the street in front of a grocery store and so he got a vicious SWAT team raid and was beat up and is now being charged himself with very serious crimes. Again, this is not April Fools. It's April 5th, ladies and gentlemen. We didn't do April Fools on April 1st. This is real news. This is really happening. This is the insanity of government.

So this didn't really happen. Can a man not take in a homeless chicken? Can a man not do that in America? So this is, okay. Details are a little bit off here. Yeah. So this is about a guy named Nicholas Gombos. He went to a local grocery store called Ray's Food place and noticed that they had a chicken in a coop

He decided that the chicken was sad and being mistreated and that he should take that chicken home However, that chicken was a beloved mascot of Ray's food place named speckles It was the man stole Speckles. It was. The man stole Speckles. Yeah, he probably wasn't a malicious person in this act. Maybe just delusional because after he stole Speckles, he bought a hen and a rooster so none of the birds would be lonely. At some point it became known that he was the one who had taken the chicken, so the police contacted him and asked him to give Speckles back, which he refused to do. Of course.

Things turned a little bit ugly when the police came to his house and wanted to Retrieve this stolen chicken and he threatened them which led to him going to jail for theft as well as threatening officers Sure, he didn't get SWAT teamed and the police didn't beat him up That's all just exaggerations Alex is adding to the story to excite the listeners right there's a really dark kind of end to this story Of course there is so in May after speckles was returned to raise good Someone showed up and killed him in the night leaving. Speckles? Yes. Why? I don't know. The guy killed Speckles because if he can't have Speckles, no one can? No, I understand why that's a fun story for you to connect dots, but it wasn't him. Okay. This person killed the chicken in the night, left him in the sidewalk to be discovered in the morning. Eventually an 18 year old from a neighboring town admitted to doing it thinking that the

chicken was injured and needed to be put out of its misery or more likely, I mean if I just had to suspect you as a fucked up kid. I mean what is going on with the people around this fucking grocery store? This is something in the water issue. This is not, why is this man trying to steal a chicken that's outside of a grocery store I don't care how you feel about this chicken there's a lot of a lot of speckles drama man that is the stakes on these episodes though he just guy with divorced guy with the billboard I want I want I want to I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, I need, reported by Alex as a case where the government just oppressed a good Samaritan who wanted to help out a chicken experiencing homelessness. This is what we call the Info Wars Filter,

where a real life story gets turned into complete bullshit designed to make the audience feel like they're under attack. What if you just thought you could help this chicken out? What about you'd get raided by the swap team and they'd all beat you up? Yeah. It's nonsense. I find, here's something that I find interesting in the past. It feels like when we go deep into stories in the past, the story is always far more interesting than the bullshit that Alex makes up.

Generally. In the present though, because he doesn't get those cool stories and he just goes off headlines from like regular mainstream media, we don't get to find out the interesting, all of a sudden, this weird divorce guy. Well, because at this point, Alex is getting his news from like... From weirdos who are divorced!

Or weird aggregators of stories, you know, like there was Fark, that was like, they had the headline aggregator that you could like... Alex is getting stuff from sites like that, and so some of them are fucking weird nonsense stories. But then also there is a bias that we have. And that is because these stories are so far in the past, we know how they end. And so you can see the totality of it. Whereas in the present you're just like, well, here's what's happened so far. Yeah. Yeah. Dead Internet Theory has some very coincidental aspects to it

But there man sometimes whenever you you think about like when the internet dies Turn into a skeleton. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna have a fuzz. We're gonna cut in half while we wear fuzz is Sounds good. Yeah, so this there's another news story that Alex has on this episode that kind of blew my mind Okay, we'll be getting into that also a new mainstream article about how the u.s. got candid to world war two a lot of evidence shows according to canadian papers that the u.s. government shelled a lighthouse the blame it on the germans and i'm sorry ending the nazis here i'm just giving you an i'm not defending the nazis here i'm just giving you a not defending the nazis problem reaction solution

folks i've rarely see this big of an overload of key stories i'm gonna try to just news blitz through all of it so canada was in world war two well before the united states say they entered the war in september nineteen thirty nine a good two years before pearl harbor which also thinks is a false flag that the globalist pulled to get the country into war. Now I know that

I hear Alex saying that he's not into the Nazis, but man, he sure seems to think that everybody who fought them was tricked into doing it. That's strange. I just want to, I just feel like at the time, Canada was closer to England. Yeah. Yeah. You know, they were real tight. Well, yeah, they had some years previous. Sure. They weren't they weren't under the king. Yeah. And they had made it very clear the parliament would make their decisions. They were not necessarily going to do. They weren't necessarily just going to follow the U.S. and to any war.

Sure. But in that case, they decided that it was worth, you know, rallying around. We will make sure that ceremonial and nothing happens unless you sign off on it. Sure. And ironically, the Prime Minister back then was named King, which makes it very confusing to read articles. Very frustrating. Very frustrating. Even though the monarch was a queen? No, wait. Elizabeth wasn't queen in 1939, was she? I, you know, sometimes I feel like, sure it's not fair and sure it's arbitrary

But no you can't have this job because your name is king. Like that, I know I understand that that maybe he's the best person for the job But do you know who else is good at the job? The second best person and their name is not king. Prince. Done. See? Thank God. I thought it was, I thought it was imagining things. Mm-hmm.

Uh, Elizabeth came into power in 52. Yeah. I was like, is it possible that she was queen in 39? No, no, no. I don't believe it. Which one? Well, she could she's she was there forever. Wow, sure. But she wasn't the real queen. What? Yeah. Was there a shadow queen? Of course.

Oh, man. We'll talk about that later because now we have to hear about what happened to Oza Motley. Yes, we do. Oza Motley, the Grammy award-winning band and it's not some heavy metal band. It's not Janet Jackson. It's it's it's one nipple on TV. The world went fucking insane. Band music and Caribbean music. I mean, I'm not the connoisseur of music, but it just a tame band. Never been in trouble. Never had any problems. And the fire marshal came in and said during South by Southwest a few weeks ago, you need to get a lot of these people out of the building. We help us and they said, sure, we'll do a morango, you know, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, link up up and go out that's the story we're going with to downtown where

they had all the street shut down i mean it's a big party down there and then uh... the black steam ask uh... guardians that take good care of us rather said get back in the club they said okay tried to turn around and had the police behind them yelling at them and uh... one of the band members had his big drum up above his head because that's how you get through a crowd. You know, he's trying to carry it. And the police thought that that was threatening and ran in and jumped

on him and then they fell over and this is the new America. They assault you on video. I mean, that'd be like watching a pro football game and somebody sticks the quarterback after the balls are not in play and you watch the linebacker break the ribs of the quarterback blood spray from the quarterback's mouth and then the police come and arrest the quarterback and say you devil you assaulted them. Here I'll use the sports analogy. This is not a good analogy. But it's a sports one.

That is true. You're from sports. I am from sports. You should appreciate it. Oh, it's a different sport. So Alex has the basic gist of the story right here, but he's fudging a few details in order to make it work better for his oppression obsessed audience. Sure. First of all, I can find no indication that the fire marshal told Osamotli to help people get people out of the Exodus Club. The name of the bar they're playing at. Heroes. They would likely never be put in that situation since bars have staff that handles that kind of thing, and they would never need to rely on a band

like pipe-pipering the crowd out of the building. That's nuts. Also, in an interview they did with Pitch KC, they said, quote, we always end an Oso show with a conga line, and we'd gone outside with it when we'd played Austin before, so we didn't know that it would be a problem. Right. So it's kind of part of their thing but Alex has the instinct to heighten stories to increase

the level of fuckery going on. Right. It's not enough that the police outside told them to stop it. They needed to only have gone outside because some other agent of the state had told them they needed to. This way Alex can create the impression of a trap being set by the state where they get you to do something with one hand and then punish you for doing it with the other. The other thing Alex is misrepresenting is the issue with the drummer. He did hit an officer with his

drum but it was totally an accident. Alex is pretending this isn't the case because it makes it easier for him to sell his story when the party you're supposed to be pulling for didn't even do the thing that they're accused of. Sure. It's really easy to side with Osse Motley and see this as an instance of overzealous police response without rewriting any of the story, and yet Alex does just that. There's a couple of reasons he does this. The first is just narrative simplicity. He wants to make this super easy for the audience to get on board with and not have pesky questions in their head like, why would they do a congo line out into the streets at 2.30 in the morning?

Here's an interesting question. Decide step any of the possible audience response like that, Alex includes the preemptive answer in the form of the story about the fire marshal imploring them to do the congo line. The other reason is that Alex isn't up to the task of arguing a sticky point. If it's possible that the members of the band made some mistakes themselves, it's so much harder for Alex to make his argument because he's lazy. They have to have done nothing wrong and the state oppressed them anyway. That's just how evil the state is. It's the same instinct that drives him to not mention the other signs that that guy had up in his yard,

and the fact that he had a pre-existing relationship with the judge. Sure. You just make a saint out of one party. Yeah. It's really a shame too because these are instances where you can't address and deal with reality and still end up with similar conclusions to where Alex gets. Yeah. These are places where there's a theoretical possibility to find common ground with Alex, but I can't because even if I agree with much of the conclusion that

he comes to, the way he got there isn't grounded in reality. And that's a formula for getting off track. And I'm not going to side with it. Yeah. Yeah, it is it is like this You know you you think oh Alex is at my rally right Alex is hanging out with me We're all together on this side not doing that thing But then the longer you're around Alex the more you're in a Nazi rally And you're like I didn't even mean to be here. I was just talking about the thing. And that's kind of how it works, I think.

It's a process issue. You can use the wrong equation and get the right answer sometimes, but it's unreliable. And I resent it. It is fascinating that when you look at these things from 2004, it is more common that we come up with a like Well, yeah, I mean Alex is saying that it's wrong that they arrested these members of Ozamatli and like yep

That's true. Yep, it's wrong that they arrested this guy who had to sign up in his yard. Yeah, that's true Still got fundamental disagreements with the way that Alex is covering these stories. Sure. Well, I think I mean ultimately Alex's anti-government in a think I mean, ultimately Alex's anti government in a situation where yeah, the government's wrong. But now it seems like he's anti government, but only because the government isn't doing things that are evil. You mean in the present day? Yeah. Yep. There's some of that. Yeah. So we have another story from the world. By the way in England ID cards to be compulsory by 08, Tony Blair says after the latest bombs they supposedly found and saved everybody from. The same British government that's been caught blowing up

their own buildings. The same British government that's caught been caught running a fake Ryerson scare last year. Sure. Everyone in Britain can be forced to have a good card within five years under a fast-track plan by david blanket which is back by tony blier and getting support within the cabinet and it says that the public is very angry they say this is not to germany big brother share but you see an end when they're more honest about it you're gonna have a national on the card so National IDs became available for citizens

to voluntarily acquire after the passage of the Identity Cards Act of 2006. It wasn't popular. And only about 15,000 of the 60-something million UK citizens applied for one, and then the whole thing was scrapped in 2011. Yeah, that sounds right. If it was like an evil authoritarian power grab,

they fucked up every step of the plan. That was the worst power grab. What was every step of the plan. That was the worst power grab. It was a power, uh, shit. It was a power throw away. I guess. I don't know. You know, Alex has this fantasy of like every time you seed some sort of authority, you'll never get it back. Well, they introduced these ID cards and then they just scrapped it in 2011. Yeah. So that's every, I just find the specific examples in the world. A lot of times, you know, vaccine passports, another example of that. Sure. Like a lot of countries adopted them. They don't use them anymore. No, it's just sometimes people will just not do stuff.

Yeah. I want to get back to the lighthouse thing. Oh, okay. Wait, wait, why? Because, because you're talking about Canada. Yeah. yeah, yeah. I'm interested to think, because the more I thought about it, the more I think, how awful would you feel if that story was true? Not because of the America doing the thing. Yeah. But because it took a lighthouse?

That's what it took? To get into World War II. You were like, oh, well now that they've hit this lighthouse, now it's time to get involved! Let me assure you it's not true. And also it wasn't done to blame the Germans because it was on the west coast of... It was on Japan, it was to blame Japan. Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean Alex is all over the place. Yeah, yeah, no, it makes sense. But don't worry about it. Okay, but I'm just saying that it suddenly hit me like that's the saddest thing I could think of. I was like, oh well great, now that they've hit me like that's the saddest thing I could think of I was like Oh, well great now that they've hit this lighthouse. It's a pretty cool lighthouse And it is actually strategically important in terms of like some trade routes and sure no 100% I agree

But but yeah, we'll talk about it right at the end of this Okay Now I was getting back no he brings it back up right at the end all Okay. So I thought we were done with it. Now I was getting back to know he brings it back up right at the end. All right. Now I've spoiled that instincts. Yep. So the board op here accidentally, this is the only thing that I'm going to play from the Ozamatley. Yeah, yeah, okay. It's because it's kind of funny. Okay. And the board op makes a little mistake a few weeks ago. We have this big thing called South by Southwest they've had for about a decade here and hundreds of rock bands come in other types of music

syndicated radio interview right now no way up you know what George I think you put our guests on air while she's trying to get one of the other one of the other band one of the other band members on and this is a lot of fun. It is fun. Taking a little nap before they go on the radio. Or just not up yet. Yeah. They're rock and rollers.

Yeah. Their manager was trying to wake them up to go do the interview. That's fun. I like that. Good times. That's good band stuff. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

It's charming. Yeah. So no need to really talk about that interview because I said it's boring it all worked out in the end to but there's another interview okay which is divorced still bored man there we go I'm bringing up our guest Philip Dean Philip good to have you on the show hello welcome tell us a little bit about yourself and why you put the sign up and what happened? Well, I live in Jackson County, Alabama. I'm a logging contractor, self-employed, and I went through a bad divorce, and the mother was letting the children run wild and take drugs and into all kinds of trouble,

so I took her back to court on June the 23rd of last year to try to seek custody of my two daughters. I have three kids, but I have custody of my son. Okay, when we went back to court, I hired an attorney that wasn't no good and he never got it in the court. So I had to get another attorney, pay another attorney, supposed to be the best attorney in Scotchburg. We go to court, my ex-wife shows up without an attorney, and the judge gives the kids back to her. Damn! Tough. Boy, the details of that story I bet are so sad. Scotchburg. If you really really dug in there you would get real sad I would assume so he does say repeatedly that the kids run wild I mean I the

mind reels at what they could possibly yeah there's there's no part of that dad story that doesn't need him to be like we're gonna put you in counseling we're gonna get you some people something something figure out you know it's fun just doing anything you can do anything in that way. Yeah we can do that. Yeah. So Alex has asked Dean to tell his story and naturally for him that story begins with his ugly divorce and messy custody battle. That's the inciting incident for the whole sign thing so it's natural for him to bring that up. Right. That's also the case in pretty much every article

about Dean getting arrested over the sign. The beginning of the incident is a custody hearing because without that event He never would have put that sign up in the first place Yeah, but on info wars This is the first that we're hearing of it It does seem strange and Alex is telling of the story This is just supposed to be a guy with a political message to get out and a judge with no connection to him Punishing him for daring to criticize the state because I I know the story, when I hear Dean get into this,

I'm not surprised. But if I were an average Info Wars listener, I might be confused as to why this brave patriot is starting off his story complaining about custody hearings. It doesn't seem on message or on point because the point has been obscured. Yeah, it is. It is one of the things where we do consistently see him running up against people who do not know what the game is in the past. He has a lot of guests on who are suddenly surprised to be like, wait, wait, wait. You didn't want me to say the thing that you- I don't think that Alex doesn't want him to say it. I mean, they're freely talking about this at this point because once the guy is on the show, there's no real denying

that this is the reality of the situation. But as long as Alex was laying the groundwork of this storyline, he's not giving the audience a window in until it's forced in by the subject of the story itself. Yeah. I mean, does he tell us what he wants? He wants his kids. Oh, that's no good. Right. But he also wants maybe to put up more signs. I don't know. That's that's probably not good either. I don't think that's going to resolve the scenario. I think that might just escalate things. But he did put up more signs just than the one that Alex has mentioned. Right. Are we going to get into that? Yeah. And so it's weird that Alex asks him about the other signs because alex doesn't make you know all about he just said there was a small side

our county yeah it was a joke similar sign that says judge harlson said my minor children age thirteen and fifteen need to be with her mother even though she lets them smoke take drugs and run wild tighten it up okay now is she going of a happy or something else he believes he's got some of the rhymes no zoning violation you're on a county road 107 correct the country then these are little signs you stick them in your yard but they don't come up

with some little technicality to try to get you they just take your signs take your property in america something our veterans have fought and died for. I honestly- Oh, come on now. It's a little much. I would suggest that I would find him or have the sign taken down because it's so long and like that could cause an accident.

So when reading the ages of his kids, their mother is letting him go, we don't want that. Oh no, shit, oh fuck. Yeah, if that's like next to a blind turn, you will kill people. Yeah, yeah, caution. Slow readers are available, yeah. Caution, long sign coming up. Yeah, you need a sign to warn people about the sign.

Yeah. Now that is a compromise I will accept. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's... You should be allowed to say what you want by a sign. If the judge was just tighten it up Yeah, that signs unwieldy or something like that. Yeah, this whole thing is resolved. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely

Yeah, but I'm not infringing on your free speech. Nope, but that's a mess. Yeah, I'm not going to judge you I'm going to give you some feedback. How about that? Now I'm giving you feedback from the bench No, I mean it's a little bit of a different spot. Just because I'm a judge doesn't mean I can't be an editor. Tighten it up. Hey, tighten it up. So the judge, he's God.

Sure. He's God of the county. Right. Now, obviously the judge was in a delusional power trip state when he said 30 days, but then he changed his mind and flames. He apologized. And number one is that true. Number two, why do you think he finally woke up that he was engaging in Soviet style behavior?

Well, he's the God of Jackson County. Exactly. I'm glad you said that. First off, he is the God. He is the God. He is the principality. He is the God. First off, he put me in jail.

My sister got on the phone and she talked to just about every attorney in Scotchburg. They said, no way, not no way will we touch this case. You've always got to bring in a lawyer or be family friends with them or family. That's the type I've got. Yeah. All the way with my lawyers, they walk in and devastate everything. They're not part of the system. Go ahead. Well, all these lawyers told my sister, not no, but hell no. Okay. One of the attorneys

I was friends with in Scotchboro that I've known for a long time, he called my sister back on the phone and told her, said, I didn't tell you this, but you need to get out of Scotchboro and get your brother a lawyer because everyone in Scotchburg is a scared to go up the God against the God, Judge Herald. So that's, wait, wait, he's called God. Oh man. Oh man. Stop saying Scotchburg. Wow. I can't handle it.

Ah man. Yes, he's the God of the county. To be fair, Alex said this earlier. So maybe this guy is mirroring what Alex said earlier. Yeah, the guy is a God. Yeah. So I don't know. I just I find him unconvincing. I feel here's my feel. My general vibe. I think maybe he got turned down by a few. My general vibe is that everybody fucking hates this guy and that no he's not wrong and that no you can't get him on anything but everybody just really does not like this guy. Mmm. It may be. It may be. I think maybe more it's a case of like I-

Fletch 2? Who knows how many different variables there could be for like a person not wanting to take his case sure it's a loser of a case I'm not gonna win this. I'm trying to build a reputation in this town. Don't like that guy He doesn't have the money sure or definitely that yeah, I'm too busy There's a number of reasons that lawyers could turn this down and you know, it's more fun to imagine It's like I can't I can't do that because I would anger the judge by practicing law Hey, I don't I don't do that because I would anger the judge by practicing law. Hey, I don't believe me.

I don't discount the insane power of a municipal court judge out of control. You know, you read stories about the ones that are like, ah, I judge you to muh, and then you're like, you can't really do that. And they're like, apparently I can. It's magic world. You know what you read more of, though? Yeah. Sheriffs like that. Yes, you can't really do that. And they're like, apparently I can. It's magic world. You know what you read more of though? Yeah.

Sheriffs like that. Yes, you do. Man. We got to keep people who are crazy away from having a lot of power. Especially that kind of like unitary, like just singular power. Jesus. So I found something very interesting in the way

that Dean talks. And that is that he seems to have very different priorities than Alex and it comes out here. Well, they do good in China, wouldn't they? Yes, they would. Judge Harrelson would do great. I don't think he would. Is it sad to you to see this happening in America? Yes, it is. And it's even more sad to see what this judicial system has done to my family.

They have destroyed my children's life. Well, that's, uh, that's, so you're all chained up now. They bring you in before his lordship. What's just calling his lordship? Okay. So you see the way that Alex changed the subject. Yeah. You get the sense listening to this interview that Philip Dean is primarily focused on his family. Yeah. This whole thing started because he had a belief that his children were not being raised in a safe environment with his ex-wife. He put up the sign primarily because he lost the custody hearing and then he couldn't afford what it would cost to pay a lawyer for an appeal which convinced him that the court system is a

joke. He did seem to target the judge in the case more than really expensive lawyers but I'll leave that to the side. It's his choice. The point is he mostly just cares about his family. He seems pissed off at the court and this judge in particular, but he's mad because their decisions left his kids with his ex-wife who he thinks is not keeping them safe. Conversely, Alex doesn't care about that at all. He just wants to use Dean's story as a prop to incite the audience against the prevailing power structure. He just wants to do all this shit about how judges are selfish and vain gods meeting out justice on their petty whims. It's an interesting dynamic because I don't think that Dean is that politically inclined, but he has a story that's very useful

to be exploited by Alex, who is deeply politically inclined. It doesn't feel like Dean is an unwilling participant in this whole thing, and he's definitely going along with whatever Alex is laying down, but I get a strong sense that if someone had just agreed to represent him in his custody appeal pro bono, none of this would be happening. Yeah.

This is, do you know what I feel like from Dean? Hmm. Pre-Internet. This is somebody who does not have the, who does not, you know, like, like now this is a person who has already got an Instagram account about how angry stuff is. You know, there, this is a person who's already spinning this into their five minutes or whatever. The billboard might as well have been a shit post.

Totally. Yeah. And then he would have had a thing and then there would have been a big fight and then he could have been like selling small billboards, you know, like that all would have been a big fight, and then he could have been selling small billboards. That all would have happened in the post internet. And now, and here he is, just like, I put up billboards. It's the only thing I could do. It's the only thing I could do because I don't understand. It's yelling into the ether, essentially. And that's what posting online is too. Yeah, exactly.

No, it is, yeah. But it is so interesting to me that like, he seems to be aware of some kind of political corruption in Scotchbur or whatever. I bet there is. I'm sure there is too. I bet there is. But he would never have done any of this stuff

if it weren't personally affecting his connection with his family. Yes. That's the only real thing that that that matters to him. Whereas Alex wants to take down judges. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alex would Alex would like to be George Washington and this guy's like let's take down King George because he is working pissing on my lawn. I'm not saying that he is a great person. I have no idea pretty much what America did really fair. But I'm not saying that he should necessarily have custody of his kids. I have

no idea. I don't know the circumstances. It may very well be that he is a negligent and a bad parent. Yeah. That's possible. But his priority or his concern in terms of the story that we're talking about right is all familial. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And that's unfortunate because he's being used. Yeah. Yeah, that's I mean, that's what it is It's like it's in the pre-internet era You could it felt like people were being used and now in the internet era it feels like people are using that being used It's it's too. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So Alex tries to bring all of these these stories together. Sure. And in the process brings in another guest.

All right. You'll never guess who it is. It's the guy who stole a chicken. Not that guy's wife. It is not. Yes. It really is. Yeah. It is not. not it is what? So we we've connected to disparate elements of our society Yeah, otherwise would never have interacted they're on the phone at the same time amazing Yes, this is what the show should have been for from the beginning exactly. Oh my god I'm my friends. I I see these type of articles every couple days I don't even cover them on the air because there's so many of them But today we've been detailing some examples of it. Those are motley the Grammy award-winning Konga band whatever you want to call it

Music never been in trouble the police mostly play limbo shows. What gravy do you eat as a conga bill? Conga Grammy. The Phillip Dean put a sign in his yard, our court system is a joke. The judge had the police take it, then arresting. He's on with us. And then this story I heard about Friday, and I believed it, but I had to find the article myself out of the male tribute out of origan

and it says it's often jail for chicken rescuer williams band thought he had been abandoned so let me know that uh... she was a town celebrity in murphy how do you not know what i would celebrity dot uh... our next guest here on the line nick uh... dombo's and uh... his uh... wife but kathy dean no relation to mr. Dean in Alabama now We're going to the other side of the country to the west coast and In a nutshell it's a long article

And I've got several other articles here on a different story when you read the different articles together You don't go there. There's a six every week out by the side of the highway every it's every out by the side of the highway. It's shivering. It's shivering. Oh, the shivering chicken. He was going to get his thrifty nickel and he goes in and says, I'm going to take this chicken. They say, sure. Then he calls him. I'm sorry. The chicken, the chicken's doing well. They said, and then all of a sudden the police come out and say, give us the chicken. Let us in. He said, no, bring a warrant. What story is this? He has diabetes and stuff from Agent Orange. Sure.

His wife joining us because sometimes he has problems with his long short term memory, she was saying. Long short term. So in that clip, you have Alex doing something that you very rarely see, which is presenting stories that he's able to provide connective tissue for in order to build a theme. Yeah. All of these stories are supposed to be cases where the police overstepped. There's a vibe that they can work together

Yeah, the issue here though is they really only have that connective tissue if you rely on the reality that Alex paints instead of real-world reality right the case of Oza Motley involves a band ending their show with a conga line at 2 30 in the morning Which police told them they needed to stop at which point the crowd got a little heated and the drummer Accidentally hit an officer with his drum the The police overreacted in response to the entire thing, which was remedied by a compromise in scaled-down charges. It was a police overreaction and resolved. The case of Philip Dean is one of judicial overstepping, but it's also a case that it's a bit more debatable than Alex wants you to think. Dean had previous business in front of the judge and directly attacked him in one of the yard signs that Alex tried to pretend didn't exist. There's

a possibility that when the judge ordered Dean to be brought in for contempt, he thought that Dean still had business in front of the court, like he may not have known that the time limit for his custody appeal had lapsed. That doesn't make this okay, but it makes it more understandable why it would possibly be considered contempt by the judge. Sure. The police overstepped, but only because they were following the orders of the judge, so this really isn't similar to the Osamali case where it was the police actions. Sure.

It's only similar in terms of vibes. Right. And then we have the case of the Nicholas Gombos, where a guy steals a chicken because he thought he could raise it better than the grocery store for whom it was a mascot Right, he had no right to take that chicken It was somebody else's and he refused to return it and then threaten the police when they came to retrieve someone else's property That he'd stolen he wasn't SWAT teamed and he has memory problems Which is gonna call into question a lot of the stuff like his claim that he said someone told him

He was okay to take speckles. Yeah, that he called to give them updates Yeah, I don't believe that shit because they were actively looking for their lost mascot and the store was closed when he took it. If he called to tell them where it was, this thing would have been resolved much more quickly. Yeah, yeah, if you wanted to put connective tissue between all of these things, it would just simply be that if you send people with guns to somewhere, they're going to make some place worse. Or the connective tissue is, is that some 2004 bullshit right there. That is a strong 2004 bullshit.

But as it stands with gombos, this isn't the case of the police or a judge overstepping. It's a case of a man stealing a chicken and thinking it was his right to do that because he felt he could treat it better than its owner. It's a case of a crime being committed and the police arresting someone for that crime. But by subtle finesse, Alex is able to wrap all these cases into a neat little bow, making them appear to be a part of the cohesive whole. But if you examine these cases more closely, that cohesive whole is just based on vibes. Alex wants you to feel a certain way about these cases, and that is the connective tissue. They're not all cases of police brutality. They're not all cases of judicial impropriety. They're not all cases of people's rights being infringed. There's

nothing that holds them firmly together other than they each have good optics for Alex to use to make the listeners scared that the man is coming for them so long as able Alex is able to fudge some of the details in order to build that vibe up. For instance, in that clip, Alex says that Nicholas asked people if he could take the chicken and they said it was fine. That never happened. And if you read the source that Alex himself is citing, they make it very clear that he visited the store after hours. There was no one there to give permission from. But Alex knows that if he lies about that, it makes his subject seem more blameless. And that helps him build the vibe of outright, somewhat comical police oppression. Sure. Even with all that said, it's a staggering thing

to see this kind of a swing on Alex's show. He's legitimately juggling three stories that he's pretending are all connected and he's trying to illustrate a theme. I don't think he's successful in his attempt, but it is so much more ambitious. I know, it really is. And also, I think he actually, well, one, I think he fails.

But I do think there is an incredible connective tissue between all three of these things, which is that it is people being assholes, and then the problem being escalated through the use of somebody who has guns. It's simple. What are you doing? Don't go outside the fucking bar at 2.30. Some people are trying to sleep. Asshole behavior. Everybody should go, hey, quit being an asshole, and then they go, I'm sorry, I was an asshole. Don't go outside the fucking bar at 2 30 some people are trying to sleep asshole behavior

Everybody should go hey quit being an asshole, and then they go. I'm sorry. It was an asshole, and then it's done Mm-hmm. What are you doing putting billboards up? What are you fucking doing? Take them down talk to your ex-wife Work shit out get a fucking note guns bow problem. What are you doing? You stole that chicken? There's no reason to steal a chicken! Give back the damn chicken. Just give the chicken back. Nope! Guys with guns! No! I'm telling you!

No guys with guns should go anywhere! You almost slipped into Danny Callister. I really did. It was so close. It was so hard not to. I think you're somewhat right, but I also don't think it's all people with guns because it is also just It's a thwart. It's authority of a certain level that is unnecessary. It's overkill right is essentially it

You know it's it is like this should be resolved by being people and instead it's being resolved by this over-the-top Level that's not going to resolve it. It's gonna make it worse Yeah, yeah, and the thing that is made worse is exploitable by someone like Alex. Exactly. Because he can make it look like this is all about completely out of the blue just the state wanting to do this to you as opposed to there's some people who make some bad reactions to people being dicks. Yeah, and if you, I mean make some bad reactions to people being dicks. Yeah, and if you, and I mean,

so much of this is just like, listen, if you are a judge, you need to understand that if you act like an asshole like this, Alex is going to convince a million people that all judges are full of shit and evil. Like, that's on you. That's on every single fucking one of you because you get to wear a pretend robe

that makes you powerful. Every time you put it on, you have to be better than the people who are not wearing the robe That's the idea sure. I mean, I think I think that Yeah, yeah, you have a responsibility to the public and if you fuck up guess what there's Alex right there right and when when you fuck up It's it's not The man crushing a guy with a sign. It's someone who made a bad decision. Yeah, possibly in some good faith. Yeah. Because there is a decent chance that that guy did think there was sure like business in front of the court. Sure. He did

think that this was an egregious level of contempt. His name was on the sign. That's probably shit talk that you don't want to handle. Now, at the same time, as a judge, he's a public figure. So the bar for what you can and can't say about them is a little wider than if he was just a private citizen. But these instances, except for the chicken one, all have like. That's a man who has memory problems who stole a chicken that's a whole problem has nothing to do with chicken or

stealing there's so many other things that need to be handled before we get into the why did this guy just steal a chicken that's a larger question right yeah right yeah but what I what I mean sorry is that the the Ozamatli instance and the billboard instance are both ones where the the problem Becoming a problem is the bad decision made by the person with authority. Yes in the case of the chicken That's that's not the problem That connective tissue that you're describing. Sure doesn't really doesn't hold up

Yeah, I mean come on on man, the guy, the guy didn't mean to steal a chicken. He doesn't understand the concept. He absolutely did. What did he mean to steal it, but he didn't mean to take that chicken. No, he totally meant to take that chicken. But the fact that the man meant to take that chicken

is the problem, not anything else. But he also. The reasons behind his thinking are the problem. Maybe, but once he was informed that that's someone else's chicken, he still refused to give it back to them. Then there's the problem. You you know it may as well have been stealing from the beginning now we get into trouble to to address it sure so

anyway give it back that chicken we get into the chicken space of a bunch of charges now they couldn't charge him with stealing a chicken so what they do is they claim that he didn't follow their orders, that he obstructed an officer, a failure to follow an officer's order, because he didn't let them in without a warrant. See, that's how it works now. And they got a Supreme Court ruling on last Monday, seven days ago. The Supreme Court ruled in a Nevada case of an old rancher on the side of the highway

at his own fence, mending a fence. The police officer pulls up, says, answer my questions, give me your ID. old rancher on the side of the highway at his own offense, bending offense, the police officer pulls up says, answer my questions, give me your ID and he says son, don't be rude to me. You know, I don't have to answer your questions. I don't have to. Well, so now you got to have your national ID card, you see, and he was charged and convicted of obstructing justice and resisting, which would be assault.

And he got convicted of that. They admit he didn't touch him then and this was in the last day of the regional folks in a headline the road to the police state he didn't really didn't touch it but it's now resisting to not answer their questions

and so that's the same thing now uh... that uh... that gombos is uh... facing you can read this article said that they couldn't charge it was stealing the chicken at the beginning of the clip But they very much did charge him with say that seems like a third degree theft charge Yeah, it was it with an Alex is pretending that didn't happen because it works better for this police state Oh, no, he stole the chicken so then a vada case that Alex is talking about with the Supreme Court decision is Hable versus 6th District Court of Nevada. That's the decision in play. In that case,

it had nothing to do with the kindly old rancher mending fences and then cops just deciding to fuck with him. He seemed like such a nice guy in Alex's telling. He did! Yeah. So there had been a report to the police of a woman being assaulted and the description of the perpetrator was that he was driving a red and silver GMC truck. They found a truck fitting that description seemingly hastily pulled over to the side of the highway and Larry Hybel was outside of it smoking a cigarette. I didn't hear nobody. Also a young woman was inside the truck. Who's she? This all added up to at least some very basic suspicion on the officer's part. You guys have been drinking. He wanted some

identification from Hybel who refused to provide it. What? The officer was just trying to get more information, and Hybel kept repeating, just take me to jail. And being entirely uncooperative. Yeah, that sounds right. When there's something being investigated and the police have a reasonable suspicion about you, you are required to identify yourself to them in the state of Nevada.

That is a law that is on the books in Nevada. Hybel didn't do that, and he was charged with obstructing an officer over it Then he took it all the way to the Supreme Court The Supreme Court ruled that Nevada's stop and identify law was not unconstitutional Which has literally zero bearing on how the Oregon police handled a guy who stole a chick Yeah, that is zero bearing, but they kind of connect on vibes They can be made to feel like they connected they connect you just you just fudge some details. I I

They can be made to feel like they connected they connect you just you just fudge some details. I I Genuinely believe that the law should be that if you say to the cops just take me to jail They should have to take you like it should there. Yeah, right like there should be no further need for like I guess we have no further business here. I should get into your car. You should take me to the police station We don't need to talk anymore. That's how it works right? That's like the amendment. Where's like anything you say you know that whole thing. I think sure yeah but what if you just want to ride? You know like what if you're going somewhere near the police station. Do they give rides? Well if you're if you or would you commit a crime to get a ride? What if that guy's car was broken down his truck was broken down and that's why it was hastily

pulled over the road and you know that a cop is not going to voluntarily give you a ride. Take me to jail. Yeah. Because I need to go to the, the, because across the street is a great coffee shop or there's a place that I can get it towed. There's a tow. Yeah. Oh man. And it's 2000. So I have a cell phone. Save you so much money. Exactly. Yeah. Perfect. Good call. So Gombos's wife is mostly doing this interview with his wife, Kathy. And so she corrects Alex that how old is Gombos? Hmm. Then he say he was in Vietnam. Okay. So that should give you some sense. All right. Anyway, so an old man stole a chick. Yes. Everything you said is the absolute truth

with the exception that the store was closed. There wasn't anyone around when Nick picked it up. It was 10 o'clock at night. I've got three different articles here and I know the news gets up wrong a lot. I'm trying to go off the newspaper. My wife talked to you setting up for the show early this morning, but explain to me then what happened. Okay.

Nick was coming home from um, Grant's past, possibly 10 o'clock at night. He stopped and as you said, picked up his weekly nickel at raised market and he found he saw a chicken underneath some magazines. Um, and he also saw a box like sleeping under it like a chicken in her hands and her tick and people picked up the baby tick from left the hen. Okay, that was what he first bought. So he looked around to see if there were any baby ticks around and he didn't find any. So he put the hen in the box and brought it home.

There was no one around to ask if the chicken belonged ticket belong to anybody everything was closed up okay i'm trying to get out the quote on one of these stories it says that your husband did though at that sometime talk to employees and they said it was fine on the part of my phone following warning after finding out from the neighbor right chicken looked similar to one she had been down at raise market okay immediately from the market to one she had seen down at raised markets okay immediately found the market and I feel like this story should not they shouldn't go further and the

lady or the gentleman that I talked to on it it was a it was a long conversation but how we have your chicken your chicken! It should be a short conversation! Nah, it's a... Keep it. What is anyone doing? Bring the box back. Keep the chicken. I'll give a shit. I don't think that happened. I don't think that even slightly happened. What are you talking about? Keep the chicken.

I could assume if it wasn't she, if she wasn't saying it was a long conversation and that this was the result of it or the end result of it, I could see them calling and some low-level employee who didn't know like anything, but it's a small grocery store. I mean, get the fuck out of here. It'd have to be a small staff, probably. If it was a long conversation, the conversation was, we're keeping the chicken, and then it ended with, sure, keep the chicken! And see, I don't think they should have this chicken. I don't think they should have that chicken.

And part of the reason is this next clip, where Kathy is throwing a little shade at the chicken. Oh, no. Oh, God. This chicken was not a town celebrity as it's been reported. This chicken had only been there for three weeks, and no one owns it, and no one even knows where it came from. Now, that's the point. One article they say is celebrity remedy and they found it.

The other articles they say it's not owned. They catch us in media. Definitely not owned. It had only shown up approximately three weeks ago. Okay well, accelerate through this forest. Maybe it was a big three weeks. Wait, so now what's going on? How is this story not over?

So listen to me. If this chicken wasn't a publicly known figure to how was her friend able to identify it on site? It does seem why she's that she called the store the next day after chicken the next all the check it seems suspicious Doesn't track also. Maybe she was just saying that it wasn't a big so it was like a town D celebrity You know it wasn't what's it wasn't the town links that thing is fucking right and high What's the ceiling for a chicken? What's this? Mike the headless chicken was one of the highest selling different Okay, also in the article that Alex is using as a source for the male Tribune

Kathy is quoted as saying she and her husband quote were not regular shoppers at the store as a way of claiming Ignorance that the chicken that they'd taken was the store's Master. Why did you steal this chicken? She admits unfamiliarity with Raze as a store and now here she is asserting that the chicken wasn't a local favorite. I uh- Curious. It's very curious. I don't understand why this man stole this chicken. I really don't understand why she is defending stealing the chicken. I am willing to accept the possibility that he took the chicken in good faith. Sure. Totally. As like

he was concerned about its well being. That's fine. I don't believe that every action taken after that point. It's all a problem. Right. Yeah. It's almost like they were like, Oh, fuck, we're in over our heads. It feels exactly like that. We're going to be exactly like that. Instead of just like, oh fuck we're in over our head. Yeah, it feels exactly like that. We're going to jail. It feels exactly like that. Instead of just like give the chicken back, everything will be fine.

They feel, yeah, it feels like they're trying to get away with the chicken for some reason. Yeah. And it's like you could just give the chicken back. Like they accidentally killed someone and they're engaged in a cover up or something. Yes, yes. It's ridiculous.

You took a chicken. It's just, just give the chicken back. No one's even problem. Yeah, oh man. Okay. So I think that also it's ridiculous. It's just give the chicken back. No problem. Yeah, oh, yeah, okay So I think that also there's an issue that these people might be a little bit delusional That's possible The deputy trip came back and said that my husband was gonna be arrested on felony chicken charges felony felony not not miss felony chicken charges chicken Felonies to I think two felony chicken charges. What is it there? I didn't know this chicken was worth thousands of dollars

No, no, of course not. It's not no it wasn't he's outright lied to us by the way possessions nine-tenths of the law Chicken I think eventually Monday's on Fox. Yeah, they think they're gonna. They're gonna get the chicken back. Yeah How using what laws? Well, see there is one Interesting wrinkle to this story and that is in the aftermath of them stealing the chicken Okay, and this becoming a big public to do I can't there was the the local animal folks, okay?

Chimed in that it was like this is not Sanitary or safe thing to have a chicken as a mascot obviously And so there is maybe a tiny piece of her brain. It's like, you know, maybe you can't go back there Maybe it'll come with us. Oh my god, but no it said Nick went to jail for a little bit Yeah, I mean which would not have happened if you just give the chicken I don't understand see I just that's the thing like I don't understand Like saving something and then I no I don't get it. I don't get it. I just don't get it It does I understand why you don't get it and that is what makes you think that maybe you weren't saving it to begin with

Yeah In a vacuum. I see what Nick did that night. Sure. Like benevolent. Sure. Sure. But all the actions after it make you think, no, he was he was putting it inside his coat and running away. I mean, yeah, does he have does he have like experience as a as a chicken person? Does he like, Oh, uh-huh. This is no because he had to buy a hen in a rooster to keep the company after the other issue that I'm struggling with. Is this the first time he's ever even talked to a chicken? If so, how does he know how the chicken feels about anything?

It's this is what happens when you go back to the past. I need to know more about this chicken. There's not much more to know except you died like a month after the murder. Was it like a beautiful? Oh, I couldn't find a picture of the bird itself, but I found a bird like it. And it's a nice looking bird. It's a nice looking bird?

Yeah, all right. Speckled, of course, hence the name. Naturally. But yeah, this is- Real femme fatale. This is that 2004 shit. It is nuts. Just mainline it, man.

So they get- Just mainline chicken thieves. They get done with the billboard slash chicken interviews, and Alex decides he's gonna go to calls, and oh my lord, what a mistake. Well, I'm not quite sure if this is the right time to talk to you about this, but you know how the New World Order is always hiding things in plain view. Sure. Alex? Yes. Well, wife and I watched the movie Willard last night and at the very last day the main character gets thrown into an insane asylum.

The number on his cell door, 3-911. In other words, September 11th and March 11th. Yeah, the globalist loved to do that. Thanks for the call. Oh, oh, shit. You get it? You get that? Was Willard the one with the guy who controls rats? Little rats.

Little rats. Crispin Glover. Crispin Glover did 9-11 in March. Is that the conspiracy? They were predicting predictive program. Any number you see anywhere means things. Willard came out before 9-11. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Or maybe he's talking about the original Willard because what wasn't it a remake of a 70s movie? He's talking about the original Willard. Hey, I'm trying to see. Okay. I think Willard, the other one might

have come out even before 9-11. All right. No, Willard was 2003, it looks like. Ooh. 1971 was the original. So it's either he watched it in 2003 one and went, oh, they're gloating and they're laughing at us by putting this guy into a mental asylum

for thinking that 9-11 was had job that happened inside March. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, because 3-11 is another terrorist attack. But look, here's the situation, now we have to wrestle with this. No, hold on. Did the band do it? Wait, hold on. It can't be predictive programming, because this is a 2004. He is talking about the 2003 movie. And he's talking about the 2003 movie. I must be after the fact. They're laughing at us. Or. Or. Or what?

In 1971, they predicted 9-11 in this movie. Okay. That would be, that would be a twist. 30 years in advance. That would be a solid twist. I'd take that twist. If Nicholas Cage was playing me in the movie, this would be the point at which you're like, that's why we hired Nicholas. Predictive programming doesn't go that far. I don't think.

That's fair. Also, this is not the time. No. Like, I don't know if this is the time to bring this up. You just had some pretty heavy chicken stuff going on. Anyways, time to go. So we have one last clip. All right.

And this is, we get back to Canada, getting lured into World War II. All right. So there's a little payoff for you. There's the lighthouse. Okay. I I mean these are the real news articles. This is the real stuff that's going on. Then there's this article out of the Edmund Journal out of Canada. Lighthouse attack was staged by US to trick Canada into war. And they go through the evidence of the US attacking

the lighthouse to blame it on Japan or Germany And that was the pretext to get them into the war There's that article just another example of it. Oh, there's so much of it So this is ridiculous for a number of reasons first being that the shelling of Estevan Point Lighthouse happened in 1942 and Canada entered World War two in 1939 who they are at E.M. They were they were a little behind America And this is one of the situations where Alex doesn't understand the conspiracy theories He's covering because most of his workflow is just skimming headlines on kooky news aggregator sites, right? The conspiracy here is that the attack was a false flag not to get Canada into World War two

But to make the public supported draft Alex makes a further problem by saying that the attack was fake to blame Japan or Germany, where if you had any familiarity with the story at all, you would know that it was just Japan. The attack was blamed on Japan because they did it. Right. Oh, so they did do it. They did.

Japan did do the attack. This is a great encapsulation of most conspiracy theories, where there's basically zero evidence of something, but you've found a potential motive for a certain act to have been carried out so you skip over the lack of evidence and you just arrive at the conspiracy conclusion. Conscription was unpopular in Canada but after this attack on the lighthouse people were more open to it. Thus it must have been a false flag in order to sway the public towards conscription. Probably. Unfortunately for someone like Alex, imagining a motive isn't the same thing as solving a case.

And in this case, there's tons of evidence that Japan did the attack. For one, there are pieces of shells that hit the lighthouse that have been found and are on display publicly, and they're Japanese. OK, well, that's probably pretty high evidence. Second, Japanese military documents have been discovered that prove that two submarines, the I-25

and I-26 were responsible for the attack as well as one on the American Fort Stevens in Oregon. They were all on the West Coast. They bombed that shit too. Fellas, go back home. You're a little bit far. A little bit far. So the reason that there's a conspiracy here at all is because of this imagined motive and a single entry in the then light keepers notes which said that the attack was carried out by warships when in reality it had been done by submarines. People who want to see a conspiracy insist that the light keeper

must have been right whereas the more likely explanation was offered by Canadian naval historians Michael Whitby and Bill Rawling in an article in the Ottawa Citizen. The eyewitness testimony cited to support the conspiracy theory in the article is also flawed. Rather than coolly watching the attack, the lighthouse keeper ran down the stairs of a 125-foot structure, found his wife to warn her to take cover, and then ran all the way back up the stairs to douse the light. Presumably this took some time and effort and impaired his ability to observe the relatively short attack. As for identifying warship types, trained military personnel consistently make errors along the lines of aircraft attacking

whales that they take to be submarines. But again, Alex needs to come up with sneaky explanations for how everyone got tricked into fighting the Nazis. But don't worry, he's not a fan, he's not a fan of those Nazis. everyone should have been minding their own business Yeah, I got sucked into a tricked into fighting World War two. It's very weird. I do love a good old-fashioned But we have one guy's notes Those are always good. Also. I mean come on man. It's a warship. It's a ship that makes war I don't know it could be any ship. Hmm. It could be an under ship. It's a warship. It's a ship that makes war. I don't know. It could be any ship.

It could be an under ship. It could be an over ship. No, apparently this guy. I was shooting bombs at me. Apparently this guy, in addition to like his note, he had said it, like he had said other times, it was a quote. But I don't, you can't take that as like super credible.

Given the circumstances of. It's a, I'm under attack. Come on, man.. Yeah, given the circumstances of under attack. Come on, man. Under attack, running up and down the lighthouse. Oh, that's so stupid. The then technology he would have had to be able to determine what it was. He goes down, he warns his wife, and then suddenly it stops. It hits him.

I got to turn the light off and then runs all the way back up Hmm. Well, you feel for the guy heartbreak exactly that is a comical moment. Yep. So Jordan. Yeah, we've reached the end of this episode Yeah, and I mean go back the past take me back the past Oh Such limited stakes You got skeletons of hats Dealing chickens. I almost forgot how scary the skeletons with fests. You got an angry divorcee putting up signs

It's just everything is Kind of like I don't want I don't know if this is the right way to put it, but this is fucking Americana Yeah, it's very news of the world II it is very much like this is what i'm here for i'm in the checkout line i'm strolling oh look at this well that's insane a man stole a chicken all right i'll put that back thank you very much and i'm on my day i love

it i love it alex turns it into a show yeah yeah so i i look forward to uh going to the past more yeah because this is great Yeah, yeah the worst the present gets I think we might just find these technically the matrix if we just choose to only cover the Past as if we lived in it We need to make some of the podcasting didn't exist in 2004 sure But I mean that's just radio that we put into a bottle. Sure. And then throw into the ocean. That's the same difference. I really, I really think you're being bending the rules of the matrix.

Radio. But to be fair, there's no spoon. There is no spoon. So anyway, we'll be back. Okay. But until then we have website. And do we do it's not all right.com. Yep. We're also on blue sky. We are on blue sky. It's not all right. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. Pour one out for my boy, Speckles. And now here comes the sex robot. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

So Alex, I'm a first name color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.