Knowledge Fight - #899: February 9, 2024

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan checkin to see how Alex covered the release of Tucker Carlson's interview with Putin.  As it turns out, he decides to spend most of him time getting into a fight with David Icke about Elon Musk. Click here for tickets for our upcoming tour dates

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Hello, Alex, I'm a Christian color, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. Knowledge Fight. No, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes, et cetera,

and we're shooting with the alter of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you.

What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is it's nice to see you. We are recording remotely. Unfortunately. Yeah, it's never the ideal situation, but we're recording this from the comforts in quotes of our own homes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's still, it's nice to know that we can do this in a pinch. But the real bright spot is we have the ticket links in the description of this episode for our live shows. And for realsies. links in the episode for our live shows and real Z's unexpectedly. Some people did some slew thing and were able to figure out. They did. They did. Found live links to these things without us announcing them, bringing them out. No, no. And I even double checked on some. They found them through some sort of back door. They weren't officially listed on the website.

It's, yeah. I guess that's kind of a bright spot in as much as it feels like, wow, people are really interested. If you really wanted it that bad. Yeah, you should be coming. Absolutely. It is also so weird to like, oh, these are the things that professional companies, like maybe they cover when they do that. You know, it's kind of it's kind of fun to have the experience of like, oh, this is

quaint as shit. This is just us doing this. There's going to be a couple of like just weird glitches along the way. And that is kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we are. We are just the two of us.

And we're going to ride it out. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's exciting. I hope everybody who wants a ticket can get in and we'll have a great time. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is, I suppose the same as yours because I'm just too sick to think of one otherwise. The reason we're recording remotely is I have not had a well body. I didn't want to steal your thunder by saying that myself. Sure, sure.

No, no, no, no. My wife had a very rough night last night, so my bright spot is that we're eventually going on tour and I'm still able to record this show. And you're alive, man. It's nice to be alive. You were telling me about how rough last night was, like in terms of your body and what have you.

And I know that the only context I have is when I had the food poisoning recently. And I know that the next day I was like, I'm thrilled to be alive because there were moments. And I'm sure you're kind of having the same like existential you know any night any night you are asleep on the bathroom floor is not a good night I disagree I mean back when my booze days big nights ended up on bathroom floor there yeah that's fair that's fair I will say that I had a few very good nights ended up on a bathroom. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I will say that I had a few very

good nights ended up on a bathroom floor, but whatever you are there for a very specific reason. Yeah, it's not a good night. I do think even though those were big nights, the part towards the end where you end up at the bathroom floor, usually not the best, not the best. And the next morning sucks. Why not take a bath and go to work tomorrow morning at 6.30? That's no big deal. I may have done that sober myself too though. Take a bath at three in the morning. I definitely have.

So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Yes. And plot twist. We're recording this on Zencaster as opposed to on our normal workflow. So I don't have all of the clips that I normally have access to. So I'm going to skip the wonks shout outs for today, just out of technical difficulty. But today, here's the sitch. So we have on our last episode, we went over the Tucker Putin interview.

And I thought, well, obviously what we need to do now is check in and see Alex's response to it because we've had our time to sit with the episode. We heard Alex's promotional excitement prior to the interview. And now we can see how do you take it? How was that all go down? I'd love to know. Yeah. And I thought that was the best use of our time. Get that all go down? I'd love to know. Yeah. And I thought that was the best use of our time, get things back into our, you know, sort of wheelhouse.

And yeah, so we're going to talk about February 9th. It's Friday, the day after Tucker's interview dropped. And it's not at all what you expect. And this is a lot of bullshit. I have a big question. Sure. Right out the gate. Did Alex watch it? I think you watched at least some of it. I would be hard pressed to say that he watched all of it. But I know the same thing. Yeah, I think I

think. Hmm. I bet he was intended to watch all of it. I would I would guess that and then he probably didn't because it's boring. I will say that after our last episode, I reached out to a couple of journalists that I've met him. I like that's name dropping. People could have seen the hand gestures. So dismissive. Uh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Not of not of them very professional hand gestures. You were so dismissive. Proud of yourself.

Yeah, absolutely. Not of them. Very professional and talented people. No, and they all had the same kind of reaction of I watched clips of it, which as we talked about in our last episode completely boggles my mind, unless the journalists were specifically like, you're assigned to write about this. Everyone saw a little, you know, I saw a little bit here and there, and then I was like, I got it, and then didn't watch it. I can understand that though.

I mean, first of all, it's long, it's dry for the most part. And you assume that if there is anything big that happened, you're gonna see a highlight of it. So like there is the expectation that it's like if I need to know about it, I'll know about it, which is which is strange. Yeah, I think that, you know, on Twitter, they have like a number of views and stuff like that, but that doesn't guarantee the number of people that watched all the way through two hours get the fuck

out of it. Twitter people People watch it for five minutes. Max. So I think that the number of people who have actually watched the whole thing maybe isn't nearly as high as we imagine. And that's I don't actually think that's that bad of a thing. I don't think there's not a ton of value in the whole thing. No, I don't think it's I don't think it's bad at all. And that's almost bad. You know, that's what's bad. It is. It's at least very strange. Yeah. So here is February 9th. We're going to start where Alex starts complaining about Joe Biden. Okay. Obviously, the Biden story is ultra massive. The wheels have

totally come off on multiple levels. He doesn't even know what planet he's on. His brain is declining more in a week than it has the last year. At current decline. He won't be able to talk in a few months So this is just totally insane, but you notice he's getting worse right before The Democrat convention coming up because their doctors that are drugging him up are in control Wait soft coon hold on now makes free media has the knives out corporate media to remove Biden. Incredible Putin interview yesterday. Very statesman like extremely intellectual, very historical, but the main takeaway is when the globalist are jealous of him, they all share power in their globalist committees. Putin is actually in charge of Russia and over 80% popularity.

And I know journalists that have been over there and from coast to coast, they say, no, they love Putin. So Biden's had some gaffes and there's reason to be concerned about some of that stuff because he's 81 years old. And I'd say Trump's a mess with these gaffes too and Alex just ignores the all of them because they don't help his end of things. I'm a little confused though. Like like I thought Biden already couldn't talk Alex has been saying that since as soon as like the 2020 election got going but now it's like a future thing That's weird. Also apparently these doctors who are drugging them up. Are they in charge of the soft coup? Or are they working for the people who are running the soft coup? It's very strange. I don't know what to make of this It's very strange. I don't know what to make of this It's confusing

Yeah, I was literally like what in what are we doing here if the doctors are in control? What is what is the doctors ideas of what to do? Well, it's also especially Strange because we just had that report about the drugs that are being given out by the Trump medical unit Trump White House medical Unit. Just a fucking pill dispensary. Let's have a good time. Come on. Sure. So as for the Putin commentary there, it seems like Alex's main point is that everybody is jealous that Putin gets to be a dictator. The two main points he brings up are that Putin rules unilaterally and he has artificially high approval ratings, both hallmarks of undemocratic rule.

And Alex is saying that all journalists love him, but did he not listen to the end of that interview where Tucker tried to negotiate the release of an imprisoned American journalist? That seems like it's very, not, it doesn't match, doesn't feel right. No. I wonder how many people made it to the end. Like I genuinely, because the more I read about it, like after we did the episode, I was reading a bunch of, you know, trying to absorb as much as I could, because again, it feels so crazy to me that no one cares, you know? And then like,

the best thing I saw was from the Russian perspective, I guess Putin's goal wasn't to like mess with American policy so much as it was to embarrass an American journalist and make himself look super strong. Which is like- And that probably was achieved by not engaging with the culture war memes and stuff like that. Oh yeah, no.

No, he dominated the shit out of Tucker and that does make sense, but at the same time, it's like, I feel like if you're going to do an interview with Tucker, I mean, you could embarrass any number of journalists, you know, you could embarrass him and still serve some of those those goals of of, you know, coalescing the right around Trump and around the push to get out of NATO and stuff. You could do that. And even if you do embarrass him, you know, Tucker is still so invested in the line that he's going to be on your team anyways. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still a little

bit like, you know, foggy about what it all means. I don't think it's all totally coalesced for me, but I do know from later context by things Alex brings up. He at least knows that happened at the end. I'm not saying he made it to the end, but he knows about that conversation. And so like, it is strange that he's going on here about like, Oh, journalists all love. Yeah, absolutely. It's kind of the like, you know, you know, in terms of stand up, the closer of Tucker's entire interview was being like, hey, let this dude out.

Yeah. I mean, that was his that was his big gamble. Right. That was his one in a million shot. Fuck it. I'll throw my I'll throw my shot there. Yeah. There's a 2 percent chance this will get me killed. There's a 2% chance that I get this guy out and it's the biggest fucking thing in the world. And then there's a 96% chance that what happened happens. Yeah. What? What? Man, what world is there where he got him? You know, what world is there where he got him? You know, what world is there where he gets killed?

Sure. Sure. I'm either either of those remote possibilities. What does that world look like? Because I have no clue. It's probably less bizarrely. Drab is this one. So Alex does talk a little bit about the Putin interview, but not that much. There's a little bit of conversation about it, but less than you'd expect. And here's a little bit more of his analysis. And Russia has a history like unlike any other country being constantly attacked for 1,100 years,

perpetual war from the East and West, and that's what's going on with the Russians. And they're not gonna back down, they're not gonna go away. And if the West starts a war with them it'll be the end of civilization. As we know it, they'll die, will die. Much worse than the Germans and the Russians going toe to toe in World War II and I'm not lessening how many trips we lost in World War II and both my grandfathers were in it,

but Russia and Germany were the big person table at Thanksgiving. And the little card table with the kids at it was the United States and the so-called allies. 26 million dead Russians, 24 million dead Germans. Those are official numbers. This seems pretty pro-Putin in sentiment, but really more anti-American. Like, what does Alex mean by so-called allies? That was fucking weird. I what does that even mean? He's re litigating World War Two alliances.

That's my problem. I don't think we can do that. I think it's too late for that. I think it is. And what does that serve the axis? So numbers are giving it up enough to Mussolini. He wasn't a so called enemy. He was a so called ally of his allies. Right. So Alex's numbers are also wrong. The National World War II Museum has the number of Soviet troops killed in the war between 8.8 and 10.7 million, and Germany at 5,533,000. Those are big numbers, but China also lost between 3-4 million troops, Japan about 2.1 million. And what can Alex possibly mean by saying that the US and the Allied countries were at the kids' table, while also saying that he doesn't want to downplay the number of U.S. soldiers killed in the conflict.

That's precisely what he's doing. He's downplaying the allies in World War Two, which seems weird, almost unpatriotic in many ways. I mean, I went to the Vietnam War Memorial when I was in elementary school for some reason they're like, Hey, you guys need to learn about America's crimes and how we're great at them. And then you're looking at all the names. They keep every single message of it. That was what they were saying. They said that to me. Eight years old. They were like, Hey, man, look at how great America is a crime. So, but they have every single name on there. Yeah. Every single one full name.

They keep an accounting because those people matter to everybody. But Alex, it seems like it. Yeah. It seems very bizarre. So Alex thinks that he was totally right about this Putin interview. He had it. He knew exactly what it was going to be about. That's impossible.

Even if that's just impossible. That's impossible. Even if that's just impossible. That's impossible. Yeah, it's also a huge lie. I predicted and just telling you I know of my research. Nobody else did. Everybody's like, oh, what's he going to talk about? I said, you get a big, giant history lesson at the first. We have the clip of me saying it on Monday.

We're going to post it to Bandai Video, or I'll put it out on X, just to show you I do my research. And I told the whole story of slob the wives and all that and that's just known over there. That's not known over here. But I nailed it. But since I knew that already, I was like, people are going to be bored by this. They're not going to understand it. But that's what Putin does.

I mean, he just talks about history. If you don't know history, you're do to repeat it as Winston Churchill famously said in the middle of World War two. Really? So that's all not true. Uh, the news of the interview hadn't come out until that Tuesday and Alex has directly predicted the Tucker and Putin would be talking about the bio weapon lab conspiracies, which sounded like a decent prediction.

And I said, yeah, probably I was wrong. I was wrong by accepting Alex's prediction. We were all wrong because it was insane. Yeah, we heard about that prediction on our last episode from Alex's response to the news of this breaking on February 7th. I don't know if Alex also predicted that Putin would do a boring history lesson at some point, but he definitely was wrong about the bio weapon lab thing. It's unsurprising that we have him taking credit for nailing a prediction he may or may not have made while ignoring one he was definitely wrong about. That's on brand. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if he was like, Hey,

I'm 50 50 on being right. I think I would accept that. I would say that's a surprise. Yeah. I wouldn't have said I didn't see the history lesson coming. So if you were one for two, that's better than a one for three days, especially with an interview that weird, man, like if you're 50, 50 on that, you nailed it. You did good. If you got anything, like all prop bets for that interview, if you hit any of them, the odds were so great that they covered the rest of your bet, you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure. So Alex has given this minor discussion of the Putin interview and not much more. Doesn't get all that deep into it because there's

another thing that's going to be happening on this episode which is far more important and everybody needs to pay attention to this is big then we have David Ike joining us for at least an hour and a half And I'm calling it a debate because we are gonna debate some stuff. It's a friendly debate. I love David Ike a super great guy super smart really liked the guy and That's why when he's been kind of like the guy and that's why when he's been kind of pin pecking me a little bit and that's kind of what it's like calling me the minion of Elon Musk and stuff, it hurts because it hurts. It's good to have David there criticizing Elon so that you know we can push him in

the right direction and if he doesn't go the right direction you're exposing but when he's moving in our direction and doing all these good things. Sure, you don't turn the lights off and trust Elon Musk. Anybody that much power you can't trust, but I'm not going to complain when swinging like 80% our direction. So what it's that's just you should you should complain. No, you can use them. Don't complain. Come on. No, no, if you have a no, what? No, we listen. We have a king, but 80% of the time he's cool. No, that's still too bad. And 80% of the time I can rationalize that what he's doing is cool. Not what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the situation.

David Ike is a savvy, savvy person. While the entire conspiracy and right wingwing dumb dumb community is gleefully lining up supporting Elon Musk, Ike is blazing his own place in that ecosystem by being anti-musk. In November 2023, he put out an episode of his video podcast The Dot Connector called Here and No Further, the alternative media hijack, where he argues that people like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brandt, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Rogan are all members of what he calls the barricade brigade. They're allowed by the powers that be to present themselves as free speech champions and alternative media figures, but they're actually just there to enforce a line where

they can take the audience, but they can't go past. Sure. A whole lot of this is pretty bitter. He's complaining about how they're just saying things that he said 20 years ago and how they all interview each other and are all clicky, but they won't stand up for him when he got demonetized. There's a little bit of grievance here. Hey man, that's fair.

That's fair from Ike though. If you're Ike and you see these motherfuckers now, you're like, dude, are you just telling me I needed to wait 20 years? That was it. Yeah, yeah. It's like, you don't even know what it was like. Yeah. So among this crowd, Elon Musk is a crusading hero of this brigade of barricade brigade. And that cannot be a coincidence in David Ike's mind. It got personal earlier this month when David Ike tweeted quote, Alex

Jones, Tucker Carlson, Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson Jordan Peterson Ben Shapiro Joe Rogan and then parentheses long lost cause Eva of Larding burger Burke and all the rest of the Musk worshipping mainstream alternative media when are you gonna wake the fuck up and see what this man really is I despair at your naivete and I'm being optimistic that it's all naivete there was no alternative media when I started out in 1990. I watched it appear and grow and now you're destroying it with your pathetic submission to this blatant asset of the very global cult you claim to oppose. He then tagged everyone in that tweet hoping to stir up some shit. Maybe yeah. Yeah. Obviously. I think I think mainstream alternative media is something Martin Luther posted on the Catholic Church's

door. It's a mind-bending title, like the fracturing of the conservative, right-wing conspiracy ecosystem into the mainstream of it and then the crazies. I do appreciate a certain amount of recognition of like, okay, I am willing to say the real shit that you all believe, but you're afraid to say, which is exactly where you say everyone else is. And yet here we are. Like I get it. No, it makes total sense. His positioning makes a lot of sense. And I hate him, and I think he's a noxious person, but I get where he's coming from,

and I think what he's doing is really smart. Well, the conspiracy community builds someone up the way they have with Musk. It's only a matter of time until they tear him down, having discovered he was secretly evil all along. David Ike is protecting his brand by being the guy who doesn't buy into this hype the same way that he was opposed to Trump for a while.

So Alex didn't appreciate that tweet and tweeted back at him quote David I've invited you on at least five times in the last month to talk about Musk I'm saying whatever I want on X and it's a good thing I think of you as a friend so feel free to keep calling me out for being happy with Elon's actions but at least come on the show if CNN said come on next week and say whatever you want, I would. You're on X as well and reaching a lot of people. David didn't appreciate that response, so he replied,

quote, Alex mate, I don't understand this post. I was asked to come on the show a couple of weeks ago or so, and this was my reply to producer Daria on January 18th. Daria, sorry for the delay mate. I'm working on and researching a book at the moment that is full on, head down 7 days all day coming up for air occasionally. Can you ask me in early February and we'll see how I'm fixed then? I should be on the other side of the deep stuff by that time.

Hope you're well all the best David. That still stands. Not only do I want to discuss the musk impact on the alternative media, it's important that these things are debated. My problem is not with people using X while they can, of course not. It's the hero worship of Musk and the way that it has stopped his cult-serving views and activities being questioned on the scale that they would have been before. So Alex kind of appreciated that and he wrote back, quote, great news.

See you soon. Man. I'm okay. 140 characters. That is just so much better. Yeah. There's it turns out there's a rationale to that limit that maybe was there for a reason. So and that this pretty much gets us up to speed where Alex is, you know, with this, there's a Twitter fight that he had with David Ike and that's what he's going to spend his time on instead of covering the Putin interview. He's that that's man. He was allowed back on Twitter after a ban. So much has happened in the intervening time period since Alex was kicked off Twitter. And to find it end up right back where it started with him, started with David Ike on some bullshit for

no reason. Yeah. That's sad. That is sad. It is. It is pretty sad. And I think a part of the part that makes it even like really more difficult for Alex is that he has to recognize that must or the David Ike has a good point.

Like even even with me saying I think David Ike sucks and he's crazy, I still think he's right about this, about all these people who are like giving Elon a pass. If that was his only criticism, then it would be like, yes, this is fine. Of course, it spirals into a bunch of nonsense about brain takeovers and stuff like that, which we'll get to when David Eich comes on.

But if we're just left in the realm of the rational and the real world, David Eich would have a very valid criticism that Alex can't handle. Yeah, I mean, that's, it's, he could just say his word, like instead of bothering with saying them from myself, I'll just quote Alex, I'm bitter about you people doing the thing that I do and then getting more success out of it, right?

Sure, but the difference is that Alex is allowed to play the games, played the reindeer games with people like Tucker and Joe Rogan sort of. Not the turn of the punch ball, David Ike. Yeah, David Ike is not welcome on those places. And so they have a little bit of a different perspective on things, you know, they might both have a little bit of bitterness. So Alex knows that, you know, David Ike is going to come on.

And so in order to prepare for this, he needs to kind of equivocate a little bit about his feelings on Musk. When somebody's fighting the globalist on so many fronts, and also double dealing, obviously, he's got a foot in both worlds, but he's moving way towards us, I'm gonna talk about the good I see, and then criticize the bad I see.

I don't think it's, David is a purist, which I think is a good. It's good to have him there as the guy that is gonna to really focus on musk and it's good to have that position out there. But I just cannot in good conscience myself sit here when I see the globalist literally coming after Musk. He's devastating them and sure he probably wants to take over the system. He's just a competitor. That's probably what it is.

Okay, he knows he's way smarter than them. They're all twisted and inbred and out of control and he's moving in on them. That's how they see Trump, by the way. They see Trump as a competitor. There's an old saying, I think Frank Herbert wrote about it. That it was just a set of philosophers before him that... About 40 years every revolutionary is a aspiring aristocrat in that every revolutionary really just wants to be in power. I think that's a cynical worldview because that's not how I am. I want to see humanity

empowered. I want to see prosperity like the founders did. But most revolutionaries, particularly their leftists, do want to be the boss and do want to enslave people. So yeah, Frank Herbert. I, okay. All right, listen. If you're quoting God Emperor of Dune and not a dude or dude Messiah or the one that you didn't finish Children of Dune.

All right, if you're quoting God Emperor of Dune. All right. If you're quoting God, Emperor of Dune, you're a nerd like me. How dare you pretend otherwise? Well, Alex talks also about how like you could go to like garage sales and like vintage stores and find like the deeper writings of Frank Herbert. Yeah. nonfiction stuff. So yeah, real nerd. Yeah, does Alex not realize what he's saying in that clip? Like he's essentially just said that Elon Musk sees the globalists as weak and wants to usurp their position. That would mean that Musk wants to take over the world. That should be a maybe a bigger problem for Alex. I think. So here's the problem

as it stands. And that is that just as Alex is saying that Musk has his feet in both worlds, so does Alex. Alex is enjoying the attention of associating with Musk and Rogan and being friends with Tucker and being on Tucker's show and Russell Brand's show. He's breathing in air that David Ike is not really allowed to enjoy. And at the same time, he's trying to hang out with Davidke, who's invested in his own lane of conspiracy alternative media. Alex wants to have his cake and eat it too. And that causes tension. The issue is that these things don't really work together. The Rogan Tucker brand, that media ecosystem relies on collaboration and mutual promotion.

While David Ike has a market that's almost entirely based on being the only one who truly gets it. These are oppositional forces and Alex believes that he can wrangle both, but he can't really. The good news is that David Eich has no interest in trying to destroy Alex. He just is lashing out to try and get into a fight with someone for some publicity. He's got a new book coming out. Those other dudes like Rogan and Tucker wouldn't bite on this kind of a obvious try to fight with me. Based on where Alex has placed himself, he really can't easily ignore David Ike. And so he's the one who gets to fight with him. I mean, yet again, we are in a all gut Joe Rogan, like a pig territory. Like everything

David Ike is doing right now, Alex has done directly to Joe Rogan. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's it's not dissimilar. That's crazy. Yeah. So Alex, instead of talking about and dwelling on these kinds of things, these petty squabbles, he wants to talk about how they're winning. The Patriots are winning. But I want to talk about here today. We're winning and I've got a short clip. We're going to play when we come back from break of Joe Rogan with the NFL

quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who I really admire, not for the NFL. I mean, I I like football. I mean, I think it's I think it's cool. I mean, I think he's I like him a thousand times more because he's got courage. And they had some nice things to say about me. But what it's really about is the fact that this broadcast is now seen by Tucker Carlson, Senator on air into into my face, Joe Rogan, all of them as the most accurate. I've made some mistakes. I've followed rabbit trails. I've been set up, taken the bait a few times. I'm not perfect. But the fact

that in this world today, the most popular talk shows that people say Alex Jones is the best we've got. That shows how far we've come. It's not about, oh, look, I'm the best we've got. Boy, thanks so much. So you can kind of see how Alex's position is fundamentally at odds with David Ike. The definition of proving that the globalists are being defeated is that an idiot like Aaron Rogers said nice things about Alex on Rogan's podcast. This is foundational stuff for Alex.

The core of his identity and the characterization of the fight against the devil depends on what people are saying about him on Rogan's podcast. Consider that David Ike takes a different view. He believes that shows like Rogan's are meant to be gatekeepers that make sure the audience gets a taste of alternativeness, but keeps them out of the real stuff that's really threatening to the global cult.

In Ike's conception, the fact that Rogan and his guests are saying nice things about Alex means that Alex isn't cutting edge. You can kind of see in that contrast how Alex can maybe give lip service and the fake appearance of a debate with like, but it's far too threatening to his sense of self to even consider the position that Ike is coming from. In this sense, their interview is doomed before it begins because in order to side with David, I get to fundamentally change your value system. Yeah. Like not values like ethical values,

but what matters, what holds weight? Well, I mean, I think what's fun about it is that I kind of has it backwards in that I think what he's realizing, or at least kind of the phenomena that he's misinterpreting is how many people want to enjoy the more extreme without having to live there. A lot of people like, you know, the reason that Alex has to

frame Aaron Rodgers saying obvious things as courage, despite the fact that there are no consequences for him possible, right? Like, what are they going to do? He's already made tens of millions of dollars. He's already a Hall of Fame quarterback. The worst that can happen is he doesn't get a job next to Troy Aikman, you know, like, oh no. Oh, Jimmy Kimmel might sue him. Right, right, right.

But David Ike, oddly enough, does have to face consequences for living in the extreme all the time. His life is more or less a consequence. Exactly. In some ways. There's some upsides to it in terms of he's incredibly rich and has an audience that will never leave no matter what. Sure.

There is that benefit to it, sure. But there is also like, you have to be David Ike now. Yep. All the time. He has to live that. And that is a part of what you're taking in. If you are around him or if you are taking like just reading his books or watching his videos, you have to be like, right, this is a guy who is inside this shit. Rogan has fun. You know, he goes, yeah, takes the deprivation tanks and freezes himself for fun and you know,

whatever. He does a ayahuasca and talks to Duncan Trussell. There's fun things in his life. He does stand up. David Ike is just David Ike. Yeah. Yeah. Instead of instead of David Ike looking for looking at it as they're keeping people from getting to alternative, he should really be looking at it as they're keeping people from getting to alternative You should really be looking at it as you know the way that we kind of explained it was just the pipeline It is because of Rogan that you are getting more popularity Yeah, you know it's because people want a vacation with you that you're getting yeah people like Rogan and even you know Russell brand give the impression that you're able to dip into this macabre

bizarre like view of the world and still live a normal life and have fun and you know maybe even be a rich celebrity and shit. Whereas David Ike there's a guarantee that if you believe this stuff you're fucked. It's the rest of your life and you're just doing this. I mean that's kind rest of your life. And you're just doing this. I mean, that's kind of not as fun. Listen, as somebody who's raised, uh, biblically fundamentalist, I respect a certain amount of listen. This is not a thing that you can somewhat do. It's all or nothing. No way. No, I'm not a half measure with a half measure with David Ike. So we find ourselves with Alex playing this clip from Rogan's podcast and then complaining

a little. Look at like ancient Egypt. Look at how insanely sophisticated they were. And if you subscribe to the Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson's perspective, which I do, which is that at one point in time there was an incredibly sophisticated society, probably more sophisticated than we are that lived in Africa, in Egypt, and that those people were probably in a different direction but far more advanced than we are today. And then they were wiped out. And then go after that.

So if you're talking about 11,000 years ago, 11,800 years ago when they got wiped out, and we're down to like 1% of the population. Think about what history looks like when you go back 4,000 years, 3,000, it's f***ing barbarians. That's Joe Rogan, that's powerful. And I know Joe very well, okay, but extremely well. That's some parties in Vegas, other places that were like those hangover. I mean, for a long time ago, but.

Family show. He's real. And then people are like, oh no, he's not real because he's popular. No freedom is popular. I know I'm for real. So other people like Elon Musk are gonna see that, they're gonna come our direction.

For whatever reason, we've gotta be ready to win. Here's David Ike about the interview coming up in about 30 minutes. Wait, what? Hello, everybody. Tonight, 6pm UK. I'll be talking live with Alex Jones in the United States about my views been quite controversial. That's a change in it. So Alex is playing a promotional video that David Ike put out about their interview. This is weird. What are you doing that? Is that okay? I'm sure David doesn't mind, but it seems like a weird way to fill time.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you have a job? Um, apparently the job is what you make it, you know, well, so Roger Stone comes on. Um, I'm sorry. We got a stone and Ike. Yep. Two old weirdos. And we're talking about 11,000 years ago with Joe Rogan a thousand years ago with Putin. Does anybody have any fucking clue what to do about I don't know income inequality today? No, no, no. No, but you know, did the secret Egyptians, they knew what to do about it. The secret Egyptians. I forgot about them. So I'm going to skip a little bit of Tucker.

We do get back to Tucker and that's the reason I'm skipping past. Roger complains a bit about Biden and you know, whatever. Yeah. He's old. I get it. Whatever. Yeah. Well, yeah. And the classified materials situation that Biden was not charged with. Right. He wants to complain like, Oh, they're doing that, but they're still going to charge Trump. They are different. to complain like, Oh, they're doing that, but they're still going to charge trouble. They are different. Five. Um, so we skip ahead to where Alex wants to talk to Roger about the Tucker Putin interview.

Um, and it's a little, a little strange, the, the two of them. All right, Roger, I would be remiss if I didn't talk about the Tucker Carlson interview. It's obviously bigger than Carlson, bigger than Putin. It's about trying to stop World War three and it's about the war against the press and the idea that Tucker couldn't go interview whoever he wants. They're calling for him to be indicted for the Espionage Act, all of this. And then I watched the whole thing last night and watched part of it again this morning, but all the other news is so pressing. I'm going to cover it more on a special Saturday show and Sunday

and Monday. I mean, it's so big, we need to unpack it all. But we saw a real intellect, no matter what you think about Putin, he's obviously a strong man and that doesn't play games, that is in charge of a country, the fifth largest economy in the world, the largest nuclear power. And Tucker asks some pretty tough questions too about, hey, you need to release that Wall Street Journal journalist right now. I expect to take him home with me. I mean, Tucker said, no,

debate that he's a hostage. I expect to take a whole week. Well, okay. Well, probably releasing. So you can see the respect they mean, but nobody talks to Putin like that, but they know he's so real. And the Russians kept saying, we just want into the West. We just want to make money with you. We don't want to be communist anymore.

And he used all the examples of NATO and how they tried to enter NATO and all of this. And I think the interview was so intellectual. Yeah, it was pretty intellectual. So Alex in fact did not do a Saturday show all about this and Owen hosted on Sunday, probably because Alex was incredibly busy telling someone how much he doesn't care about the Super Bowl.

I would assume that was what Alex was busy with. Yeah, totally. So on Thursday, February 8th, the title of Alex's show was World Braces for Tucker Carlson's historic interview with Vladimir Putin. On Wednesday, the seventh, the show was titled World Braces for release of Tucker Carlson interview as Deep State accelerates war on press. This was the top fucking story for days. And then after it's released, Alex is giving it short shrift on the show, saying you'll cover it later and moving on to the exciting

flashy fight with David Ike. It really couldn't be clear that Alex didn't get what he wanted from this interview. He has no real propaganda to use out of this long mostly boring interview itself and he desperately doesn't want to acknowledge how insulting Putin was to Tucker. So we have this and I will say that I had my misgivings about taking up a whole show to cover the interview, but I think you were right. It's valuable to cover because it's being rewritten

by Alex almost immediately. The existence of the thing that gets just the thing that happened, that you can mold into whatever shape you want, that is more valuable than the content of the actual interview. Putin didn't come around to Tucker's side about releasing Evan Gershkovich at all. From the first moment Tucker brought that case up, Putin was very clear they had no problem releasing him, but the price needed to be right.

Tucker did say something to the effect of like, hey, come on man, you know he's not a spy, but Putin just said that, no, I do consider him a spy. Tucker made no headway on that issue. This is already something that's being rewritten by Alex, and this makes no sense. If he's decrying the war on the press, how does he square that with the reality that Putin has imprisoned this American journalist on false pretenses for the sake of a hostage exchange? This is a comical level of dissonance that Alex is displaying in his coverage. You've heard Alex say a couple times that the interview was so intellectual, and I think that that's his way of trying to lionize the interview,

even though there's not really a lot in it that can play to the show in the audience without boring them. It's just too intellectual, you know, smart stuff. It is. It is. It is a pejorative use of the word intellectual. While at the same time making it sound like it's not. You're like, oh, it's an extremely intellectual interview, which is, you know, nominally supposed to be like, aha, look at how smart these people are, as opposed to what it is, which is like,

ah, these idiots are talking about the past. It's a way of being like, it's important, but it'll bore you. Yeah, you don't want to watch it. Yeah, you get the sense like from the way that Alex is talking about this, that the interview itself was kind of a bomb, but Alex still loves Putin. Maybe even more than he did before because he's so strong and dictator. I do think that he has an improved view of Putin after Putin was so dismissive of Tucker.

I really do think that he's more and more enamored of, I mean, how can you say, alright, this guy runs a country and then immediately follow that with the fifth largest economy in the world and then not immediately follow that with, one guy shouldn't do that shit. What? What are we doing? Instead, he's like, look at how awesome it is that one guy has complete control. Yeah, yeah, it is strange.

But I mean, like that's the, you know, that's what he was saying at the beginning there, too, like with the, you know, he gets to run the state unilaterally. He has 80% approval ratings. You know, like Alex loves the features and hallmarks of dictatorship because he wants a dictator. Yeah.

So Alex has an interesting question for Roger and that is, hey buddy, you knew Nixon. How would Nixon have done this interview? How would a genius of Putin level, I mean, how would have Nixon if he was president today, how would Richard Nixon deal with puty put? I think he I think he would see opportunity for both peace and prosperity for both our countries I mean these people have the nuclear bomb and you can't just keep brushing them off and lying to them

I thought that that historical Beginning which I thought in the beginning might just be stonewalling well he laid that out for a specific reason I think we've missed a classic opportunity I still I don't have the benign view of China that he does I think I agree that was the biggest thing it's easy pink thing and Russia's never trusted China but now they're having to work with them because the war but but absolutely Putin basically said we're at 1100 years old, man. We're not communist. And I don't like linen giving away and explained all that.

And he was like, dude, we're not communist. He said, we're Orthodox Christians. We're having a bunch of babies. We want to make money. Leave us alone. Yeah, man. That's a very good summation of the arguments. No, it is not.

Yeah, dude. Yeah, it is. No. Ruth, you. How could Roger have thought the historical part of that beginning was stonewalling? Like, I get that Tucker could make that mistake in the moment because he's there having the interview and maybe he's just like really out of sorts. But if you're listening to it and watching it, how could that be the impression that you get? That's weird. Also, Alex's assessment of things is once again way off.

Russia is not a country that has not been friendly with China. G and Putin are very much allies, and their countries have been close for quite a while now. It is true that the invasion of Ukraine has driven them closer together, as Russia has become more disconnected from the world community. But to try to pretend that they weren't close before is ridiculous. I know that Alex has to find a way to try to balance his narratives about loving Putin and hating Xi, but this is no good. This does not work.

It's comical on its face. Are they also just going to pretend that Putin didn't argue quite clearly that he doesn't think Ukraine is a real country and that they're actually Russian so he can seize territory? That seems like a pretty big element of the interview that's inconvenient for Alex's existing narratives. So I guess they're just going to ignore it. But it didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's I think that's also why I'm so. I think I don't think I'm mad at that at it as so much as I feel like it's short-sighted from so many people, you know, why I reached out to journalists like, did anybody watch this shit, you know, is because now when it's not interesting and exciting is the time when this type of thing needs to be documented exhaustively, you know, because as we are seeing it in two days already, it's like, hey, Putin did everything that I expected him to, first off,

despite the fact that he didn't. Everything that I find useless or hurtful about this interview didn't happen. Right. And I mean, I can lionize the guy who fucked it all up as being genius. Yeah, yeah, and I mean, it is a testament to how much like shit doesn't really matter, except as it is useful.

You know what I mean? Like it is only whatever this thing, whatever utility this thing has for me is what it is, as opposed to it is actually a thing in and of itself. And you're right, I think there is an importance to, you know, minding that. Like, this boring-ish thing, how is it going to be weaponized and used by people as a prop?

And you can, yeah, you see it already. And that's to me screams like, That it wasn't what they wanted, you know with Alex days of his episodes being titled The world is bracing for the release of this thing and then it comes out and he's like I'm gonna fight with David Ike this is like It's not it doesn't yeah sense I would have talked a tiny bit about this in very vague dismissive terms and Rewrite a few parts of it that I think work on the edges of what I wanted it to be

and then just move along. It's very ridiculous. Yeah, and then, and because here's what I think is going to be the case now is it will be useful in the future. And because so many people didn't actually watch it, they will only have something of their own impression about which to, you know, interpret it, especially their response.

Like so many people I've read all of their stuff and none of them were like, OK, well, here's Tucker's existing narratives that he's trying to push. They're all like, Tucker, the journalist didn't do a good job. And it's like, well, one, you're already stupid. He's not a journalist. And he hasn't been shut up. You know, it's already done. And so I keep thinking back to like, I know this is a weird specific reference, but that Carol Howe story that early on story she had where she was being chased by four black men. And that's how she broke her ankles or whatever. And that was just credulously reported for 40 years.

You know what I'm saying? Like people just kept repeating that because they didn't even, you know, why would she lie about that? Why would that happen? And it's kind of the similar, it's similar to this, you know, why would Alex say the opposite of what happened happened? And then if you haven't watched the actual interview, if you've only watched parts of it, then you'll go well, there are parts, he can't be lying about everything he's saying. So there's something that's going to slip through the cracks that is not true. Yeah, and it'll be used for whatever that ulterior agenda is that made you lie to begin with, made the lie happen to begin with that went on unexamined. Yeah. So there's a little bit more about the the Putin interview and you can see, I think in this next clip, the the point of any of it. In the last nine years, Putin has told the West and NATO hundreds of times, face to face,

at every major meeting I'm gonna invade Ukraine if you continue to push out the Russians and move weapons in and have them do a NATO. You said the complete opposite of that. Because it is not Russia's doorstep. Russia was born. And Putin gave it a history lesson on air stay. I predicted he'd do that.

I nailed it. Didn't that? First hour. I did a little 10 minute history lesson myself. So you'll probably hear this because that's what Putin's trying to explain to people. And the same globalist arrogance now they've lost Ukraine, Ukraine's defeated, they're getting ready to get rid of Zelensky, but they keep doubling down. So on politics, as positive things are as strong as Trump is, they just keep escalating. So what do you expect next to them to throw at Trump? And what can we do to protect President Trump? I know a big thing is he's running out of money when it comes to his campaign. Yeah, yeah.

So Putin absolutely, you know, like he kept saying that he wasn't going to invade before invading. Alex said Putin wasn't going to even invade. Like that Alex is rewriting his own shit entirely. This is ridiculous. And not for nothing, but I don't remember Alex doing a big history lesson in the first hour. I'm pretty sure he's just calling back to how he claimed that he predicted Putin would do that. So the wise from the 1100 years ago. Yeah. But you see something here that I think is important. Like you made a point a couple

times in our Tucker coverage that the goal for Tucker and Putin should be to do something to galvanize support for Trump because if Trump gets into office, he's threatening to essentially destroy NATO, which would free up Russia to do whatever they want, more or less, in the region. For whatever reason, the interview didn't entirely go down that path, but you can see how the idea of this interview is closely coupled in Alex's mind with the reelection of Trump. What you were touching on is what the folks in Alex and the right-wing media, they were expecting.

So these thoughts are pretty easy to jump between. They were expecting this to be a way that they could then jump to give Trump money for his campaign. And even though it wasn't that, Alex still has that pathway in his mind to use this interview as a prop to get there. That is such a great piece of evidence for that's what it was supposed to be the entire time. And that's such another thing that I'm not seeing in the mainstream coverage of this

whole thing is this like, this is not a failure of a journalistic interview. This is a failure of propaganda. Like it's far more interesting that they failed at the thing that you didn't think they were there to do. You know, and they haven't really wrestled with the idea that Tucker wasn't there to even pretend to be a journalist and he was there to help get Trump elected. They haven't even wrestled with that. It's bananas.

So now, Jordan, we get to the point where everybody wanted this to go. And by everybody, I mean nobody. And that is David Ike shows up. So Alex gives a little introduction to David Ike. And you think I think he's Alex is mad. I think that's one of the things you're going to get the sense of through this because David Ike told him to wake the fuck up on Twitter and Alex doesn't like that kind of thing All right, I've been wanting to get him on for months and we've got him that's selling author Former top BBC broadcast from ahead of the Green Party But better known the last 35 years since he got thunderstruck with a vision of the coming New World Order I really respect him. I know he's a great guy.

David I is here with us. And I think he serves a great purpose, being kind of the counterbalance to Elon Musk and the things he's been doing. But I'll be honest, I see Elon moving. If he was pointed towards the New World Order five years ago, I see him moving rapidly in a 180. And so I'm positive for the good

changes happening and how it's helping accelerate the awakening. I'm not going to turn the lights off and turn my back on Elon Musk. But that said, I don't think it's fair when David comes up with this term, the mainstream alternative media or ma'am or minions of Elon Musk, I'm also not looking to give towards the mouth. I'm not censoring a damn thing I say. I'm more hardcore than I've ever been. So yeah, you will not call me ma'am. Yes, I think Alex is just like, I don't know if he would care that much

if he wasn't tagged in that tweet. Yeah. The sense that I get. David, I, your name, my name's in your mouth and I don't like that. I mean, I think it's probably, I don't know if there's a reason to have David Icon for Alex that isn't personal, right?

Yep. Like there's no like, oh well, we gotta get him onto proponents. I think that, you know, the two of them have a unfortunate association. And I think that Alex does have a reason like, here's the thing, like David, Ike does have his own audience and there is a legitimate audience there. And Alex would like to cater to that audience and have his own credibility with them. And so ignoring David essentially cuts off that section of whatever potential audience he has. Sure. You

know, it's that thing of him being his feet in both worlds. He wants to benefit from David's audience as well as all the Rogan Tucker Russell brand audiences. Yeah, you know, I keep, in my head, I think about that and I go, well, it's not possible for you to, you know, whenever it's a purity test, if you're already in the two pure line, you can't then be like, oh, well, I also enjoy Alex. But I'm sure there are plenty of people, if not plenty, at least some people who can rationalize it

that you wouldn't otherwise have. So even if it's 100 people out of 10 million, you know, that's 100 more than you would have had. That's true. And you have the potential to pick people up who are like, maybe they're into the super hyper purist David Ike kind of guy, but then they're also like, you know what, Alex isn't right all the time, but he has a lot of value and there's a lot

of worthwhile stuff. He's on there doing shows every day, you can get a lot more, you know, maybe kernels of information than David Ike who puts out these, you know, maybe once a week, a show and has more of the raw truth. So you can you can have still an expectation that you'll maybe you won't get the most like, hyper excited and dedicated audience out of it, but you'll still be able to get people to come over.

Yeah, yeah, totally. And then also it's personal. That's also. It is totally personal. He doesn't like to be, yeah. Stop calling me out from that direction. I'm not supposed to be called out from that direction. Right.

So Alex is a bit defensive. I turned down the $10 million year contracts in the book deals to be the new Rush Limbaugh, Roger Ailes, Fox News shows, because they were straight up. You're going to work for us now. You're going to do like the old Rush Limbaugh. Am I right? Rush says, here, you're banned off this and now you can counter everybody's been attacking you. Then I mean, I'm going to use it. Okay. Now that doesn't mean I'm going to put my knee pads on and, you know, give give Elon Musk a blow job. So I'm going to let you run with this. And I don't really want to have a debate. I called a debate

because that makes it more interesting. But a discussion, but I will say David, I admire you. Clickbait. It's clickbait. I just called it that for clickbait. We're not gonna have a debate because I don't really don't want to argue with this with you because I don't really like to stand on. Also, I guess this is not a family show today. Just talking about blow jobs. It really doesn't feel like it. So there's something in that clip that I think is really worth noting. Alex is starting to pretend that David Ike's criticism of Alex is that he's on Twitter, but that's not the case. He's essentially arguing that this click within

the mainstream alternative media is beholden to and makes excuses for Musk in a way that they wouldn't for other figures and didn't before Elon Musk bought Twitter. Part of this has to do with the fact that he bought Twitter, obviously, and Twitter is essential for misinformation peddlers in the modern era to run their businesses. But just using Twitter itself is not David's criticism. David is on Twitter. That's where he and Alex got into a fight. So I mean, it's not that.

Alex is using this straw man because he wants a simpler thing to defend himself about than the charge that he treats Musk with kid gloves and essentially hero worships him because he pretends to care about free speech. And he bought a platform that allows everyone in the rightwing conspiracy space to make a lot more money more easily. But there's another aspect here, and that is that Alex has juxtaposed being on Twitter with offers that globalists allegedly have made to do things for him like make him the next Limbaugh. He's made that comparison twice on this show already.

That's weird, because in that, it's a job offer. Whereas with Twitter, it's just being allowed to post on a platform. This makes me curious if there is any job-like aspects with Alex's relationship with Twitter. Is there a financial arrangement with him being on there? Like, I know that he's a verified account, so it seems likely he's making money from engagement

to the things that he posts, but that's true of all sorts of accounts. The question here, is there a deeper connection that's making Alex compare being back on Twitter to being a job? And I would wonder about that. I would make a Twitter file on that. Yeah, I hadn't considered that. I hadn't considered that not only could he have come back to Twitter, but they could

have negotiated a fucking deal for him. Sure. Because a lot of people have deals. Tucker probably has some kind of an arrangement given that he posts exclusively his shows on there and stuff. Yeah. I think the bed guys have a fucking arrangement with Twitter too. I wouldn't be I wouldn't be hyper surprised to hear that.

Yeah, man. That's fucked. I don't know that that's the case though. And I have no information. But the way that Alex is is talking about this like I turned down all these deals for jobs from globalists Like that seems to only really be applicable as a defense to that being on Twitter if it's a job that you've gotten But I don't know maybe Alex's brain is just weird I suppose he could be he could be insecure because he's he could. OK, if I'm Alex, maybe I'm insecure about going back

on Twitter in the first place. Maybe I'm insecure because I said all kinds of stuff where I'm like, the best thing that happened was we got kicked off Twitter and all of that stuff. And I should be looking like I'm more cool and hardcore. And instead I went running back to Twitter and I made a reference to giving Elon Musk a blow job, not because I wasn't going to do it, but because metaphorically that is what I'm doing all the time.

Well, actually what you bring up is really interesting because Alex's whole like, I am so much happier off Twitter. It's the best thing that happened getting kicked off. In order for that to be gone back on, it has to be that Elon Musk is a hero and everything is so great. That is why it's okay to go back. It would be submission and some kind of a backpedaling. If he were to go back while Jack was still in charge of it. But now that Elon, the Patriot, the good hero guy is in charge, it's like, well, you know, it's a conquered country. I can go back to it. It's under new management.

Yeah. So he's heavily reliant on defending Elon Musk in ways that are critical to his identity that maybe he doesn't even realize. And that makes talking to David a little bit threatening. I would not want to put myself out there quite like that, especially when you're putting yourself into a box that has you writing Elon Musk's coat tails, you know, sure. Like that's that's fine on the way up. That's fine on the way up, but the

way down is going to not be fun. It's fine on the way up and it's fine. You can jettison him too. If you're someone like Alex, what is not fine, true, what is not pleasant is still associating with fucking David Ike who's not gonna give you a pass on it. That's the problem. That is the problem. You're right. You're right. Bait on this old weirdo. You're right. So anyway, David Ike comes in and he immediately just knocks

down Alex's straw man and gets to his own point. But I've not been seduced by the dark side. I'm not dancing to the fiddle of Elon Musk. Go ahead, sir. Right. Well, first of all, I'm not saying that people shouldn't use Twitter X. Also, they should use it.

I use it. It's a vehicle at the moment for as long as it lasts to get information out. An M in MAM doesn't stand for Minion. It stands for mainstream. And there has become a mainstream alternative media, which has dominated the airwaves, if you like. And if we could just start before we get into Musk,

of one of the things that I've observed, and that is that when I started out, there was no alternative media, just one or two people. And I watched the alternative media emerge. And although, you know, it was still seeing left and right to a certain extent, there was a lot of streetwise people who were realizing that left and right is a puppet show, and that the real decisions that are working through left and right are being made by a deeper levels than the left right political level. What I call the global cult.

And creating a creating a dialectic where they play the two sides of golf against what you pioneered exposing. Yeah. If you're Alex, you probably don't like hearing that. Here's the guy whose whole thing is that he has more integrity than everybody else who you have to pretend to respect who's reminding you that things used to not be about left and right in the alternative media. That's gotta suck, since there is criticism buried in there.

These people who are in Ike's conception of the MAM, they all lean to the right, or at very least their politics can be described as opponents of the left. Who on the left does Alex even associate with or have on the show? What voices exist in this world that aren't slight variations of the extreme right? If Alex hears that criticism and understands it, what's being said is that you guys, David, I'm speaking here, you guys have fallen back into the left, right paradigm and can't see the fours for the trees. You're all a bunch of hacks.

Everything, everything that you complained about, about how that old generation was all stuck in that left, right paradigm and how when you're in your twenties, you're going to make a big difference and change things. Surprise. You are what you pretended to hate. You have become the thing that which you pretended to fight against. Yep. So, David brings up a little bit more of this, that's even more, you know, kind of close to accusatory.

And then I think he's doing an Alex impression at one point. Okay. I like that. Who Alex is face. You see at the left and right level, we're left there the liberals, we're against the liberals. Liberals. But you go a step deeper into the rabbit hole, into the web, to the cult level. And what appears to be the situation here

can be very different here. And what I've noticed, particularly since COVID, is that this, what I call mainstream of the alternative is that this what I call mainstream of the alternative media that gets all the numbers basically has regressed back into this left right paradigm. Yeah, you dicks are all just wandering around talking about your right wing shit. Yep. I mean, I think he's wrong about everything,

but that's a valid criticism. Do you know what it's one of those? It's one of those things where if if I'm doing interpretation of the Lord of the Rings, you know, my my surface level, my deep and all this stuff, but my close reading says to me that only Gollum could have ever destroyed the ring. You know what I'm saying? Like only evil can truly look into the face of evil and then, you know, destroy the ring.

This feels like Gollum being like, I'm fighting you, Sauron. Like it feels right. It feels like well but and you also have like the motivation isn't to destroy the ring the motivation is selfish it's yeah I want my shit yeah I'm bitter you were mean to me I fucking hate that guy I was friends with fucking Frodo for a while fuck this I started all this shit I found the one ring. Yeah

It is it has some of that dynamic to it and and you kind of have to Recognize that some of the criticisms are correct where he goes with them are David Ike like and so they're you know Not to they're not worth a damn. But some of the criticisms like, Hey, your media ecosystem is drifted out of the left right pair being above the left right paradigm to being inside it. Now, the reality is they never were outside of it. That was pretend. But David's criticism that they are inside it very valid. His criticism that everybody's treating Elon Musk with kid gloves and they're all pretending that there's nothing to criticize about him. Very valid.

Where he goes with that. Not. So, so, hmm. I mean, it is, it is one of those things with David. Ike a lot of the time he has some things that are like, yeah, good point. Now you're crazy. No, sure. Go crazy with it. Right. Right. I think I think David Ike is one of those quintessential like the enemy of my enemy is not my friend. But if I see my enemy barreling towards my other enemy, I'm just going to get out of the way. Go for a man. You have fun. And I'm probably going to laugh a little bit. I'm going to laugh a little

bit. Yeah, it's going to be enjoyable, especially when the two enemies are pretending to be friends. Absolutely. Wow. They fight. So David makes a very valid point here about how everybody in that media ecosystem, the whole MAM, the ma'am, all of them are like really into Putin. But Putin is in bed with China. What the fuck are you guys doing? What's happening in China in terms of control and suppression and the digital concentration?

It's the model. It's the model, and that was set up to be the model. So what I'm saying is, you know, if you look at it at left and right, then you can see it a certain way, and most people have. But if you look at it from this cult big picture level, then what you have is the pushbackers of the West that kind of seeing Putin as some kind of hero,

when he's absolutely in bed with the Chinese that the pushbackers stays a danger. So what people need to do- And Putin what people and Putin and Putin and we're having a discussion here. Here's I have you on you just rungs. I love hearing you, but I want to do an Alex Putin praising Elon Musk saying he's an amazing, wonderful person and Elon won't talk about China. I was waiting for you to bring that up. That's the one big thing I see Elon is up to there. You talk about NeuroLink too, but it's the China thing. Yeah, well, well, we can get into Musk as we go along. But the point I'm making here is that the

power is moving east. And the more that. Sure. But my point is, David, you say it wasn't Minion. I know ma'am means mainstream alternative media, but there were little comments. I don't have the tweets in front of me, the X things. It was like little groveling people to the limit. Let me just finish. I'm saying, you're here exposing, hey, I'm talking about Elon being with China and Putin too.

So I'm doing this every day just like you are. So when you say that, oh, I'm changing. Don't be mean to me. Stop it. Can you put my name on there? You're hurting with Elon. I'm kind of straight up with you. When you're saying I'm changing what I'm saying, I don't think you're tuning in because I'm I'm I'm being me stop it you're hurting me I'm gonna be straight up with you when you're saying I'm changing what I'm saying I don't think you're tuning in because I'm saying the same stuff you're saying buddy and I agree with you

Alex it's not about you mate and it's not about me. It's about what's the hell is happening in the world and The the best of the point I'm making So the point that David is making here is one that's an essential tension for Alex's position with Putin that he's trying to deflect away with things like the comment earlier when he said that Russia didn't trust China but they've had too recently. He can't square the circle of his narratives. And that's an inconvenient thing that David Eich is pointing out, that the hero of this MAM is in bed with the country

they claim is the big villain. This doesn't make sense and no amount of talking over people is going to shake someone like David Ike from trying to make this point and continuing to make this point. But you see Alex try. He throws David a bone hoping to get him off track saying that he criticizes Musk not being anti China enough and then going on to browbeat David about the Twitter comments. This just probably isn't going to work with someone like David Ike, but you know, it probably would with somebody else. Someone else who didn't have their own like sense of self and gravitas in their own circle probably would be like, you know, okay, I'll allow the topic to shift. Not David Ike. He's going to use

a dog with a bone. Right. I imagine most people will go up to Christopher Nolan and be like, you know, Tenet was a good movie, but it doesn't make sense, right? And I'm sure he doesn't like that. I bet that's very annoying to him. Sure, sure.

Because he worked really hard on that, you know? And it has its own internal logic to it. But yeah, if you want to point out plot holes, great. How about that? It's really hard on that, you know, and it has its own internal logic to it. But yeah, if you want to point out plot holes, great. How about that? Now did we have a fun time? Now did we have a fun time? We had a less fun time.

We could have had more fun if we all liked Tenet. Couldn't we? Yep. I think that you're getting almost exactly what the problem is with David Ike. At least for these people. I have some other problems with it. But the problem for with David Ike. At least for these people. I have some other problems with him, but the problem for these folks is that he doesn't let them have their fun.

Couldn't we have fun? So David Ike in this next clip, he lays out his case against Elon Musk. And it's, this is where it's like, okay, you have some criticisms about people not criticizing Musk and that's fair. That's fine. But you're also nuts and Yes, this is this is some of the nutsy stuff the foundation of human control where we going is

Connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence, not least via the cloud, the electromagnetic cloud of 5G, 6G, 7G to come, which is being generated by the towers, but fundamentally if you want it to blow up, it's being generated by low orbit satellites. Now without this cloud, this agenda cannot happen. This is the cloud that Ray Kurzweil at Google talks about where he said that the human brain is going to be connected to the cloud artificial intelligence. And then he says artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we know it is basically negligible.

So this cloud is fundamental. And SpaceX, Elon Musk's of SpaceX, is leading the way in putting up low orbit satellites to beam this stuff at the Earth. And so the question is, if you are against this new world order, this human control system in high mind, why are you facilitating it and bragging about it in posts on TwitterX, that you're putting these low orbit satellites up there. And you know, if Elon Musk is such a rebel, such a threat to the system, how come that SpaceX gets all these contracts,

the massive amounts of money from people like NASA and the Pentagon, only a few months ago, they were awarded a contract by the Pentagon to take over and create something called Star Shield, which is the military government communication system version of Starlink. Now, these things should be questioned. When Tucker Carlson interviews Elon Musk when Joe Rogan interviews Elon Musk he should be they should be asking How do you square this now the connection? to the to the cloud he's meant to be via chipping and

and here we have neural ink and From someone who says AI could be the end of humanity. And yet turns out more and more AI stuff. The Neuralink has just had the first human trial. Now, I think it's a bit of a kind of diversion because the real connection to the cloud is through nanotechnology not least that which was in the is in the the fake vaccine But it's still there it is going down the same road of of chipping Okay, so David David you're you're great great guy that

You a guy that does a great job. Electing and I agree with everything you're saying. But let me just interject to bring this up. I'm just put making my point, mate. So, yeah, it's that's all a load of wild bullshit. But it's interesting to see how this case that Ike is laying out against Elon Musk contains both entirely fantasy elements and some really good points. Elon Musk contains both entirely fantasy elements and some really good points. But some of the most clear-eyed thinking

surrounded by nanobots are the vaccine. What are we doing? Yeah, pretty much everything about the cloud and vaccines and the conspiracy plot is rambling nonsense, but his critique of the ma'am is pretty spot on. Dead on, yeah. Folks like Rogan do not treat Musk how they would treat someone

else in his position. If the only thing Musk was doing was the brain chips and he wasn't Elon Musk and didn't own Twitter. They would never stop talking about how he's secretly trying to turn people into robots on behalf of Satan or the globalists. Leave alone all the stuff about like the contracts with the Pentagon and shit like that. That would be endlessly assessed. David Ike is a mad man, but he has rightly assessed that these people have the suspicious laps in their inquisitiveness when it comes to Musk. And unfortunately, that's not something that's supposed to be called out. Musk gives these man figures access and they don't want

to jeopardize that access being able to pal around with one of the richest men on earth I have zero doubt that Alex We already understands this dynamic pretty clearly and it's it's just not something that people normally bring up because all these other People that Alex interacts with crave that same access to musk David Ike doesn't care and actually relishes being the only voice in opposition to this crowd It's interesting to see this dynamic in action though. I hate that it's David Ike. It just sucks when you know someone that awful is making a good point, but he's making good point. Well, it's 2024 and he's still here and a lot of people have fallen by the wayside. This is a man who knows how to weather shit. True. I think that one of the ways he weather shit

is beating his own path. Yeah. And that's what he's doing, which is, again, I think very savvy from a marketing perspective. No, it is very much if I can retain a survivable audience, then sure, I won't get the a possible explosive audience, but in situations like this, I can still be myself. I don't have to cow-tow, I don't have to

bend the knee to anybody. And I can have what is essentially my own entire sphere. Basically, you know, you have all of these other people who are repeating the same kind of shit. You know, they're all having very similar content and all this where he can be like, nah, I'm on my own island, baby. I'm not. Yeah, it is. It is interesting. It is interesting because a lot of that content is also it's like, you know, algorithmic, but he generated now, you know, all of these people have staffs that are like here are the YouTube clip title, you know, SEO, you know, all of these people have staffs that are like, here are the YouTube clip title, you know, SEO, you know, all of these different things are juiced for algorithm. And for David

Ike, it is for better or worse, the man thinks the government's lizards and you know it. Yeah. Yep. Well, he thought his ex-wife was a lizard too. That's why they had to get a divorce. Still, still under investigation. So Alex might be on the wrong side of things and in terms of David and I think in this next clip He may be implying that Alex is a useful idiot all I'm saying is and I'm not trying to be mean to you but We're friends aren't we I like you you like me Just go ahead. We want you to ask you, do you think I'm an agent of the new world order?

Just go ahead. The point is, as I've said many times, you don't have to be a knowing agent of the color. But a useful idiot. If you have a certain mentality and you focus for instance on left right politics and they're the people that get the promotion and the numbers, then you don't have to be part of it.

You just have to be. No, I agree. And I'm the guy that coined the term left right paradigm. I'm sorry? I feel like there's coined the term left right paradigm. I'm sorry. I feel like there's a lot of hostility around these these parts lately. You know, there's a Putin shitting on Tucker insulting him to his face. There's Alex and David. I get into a little bit of a fight.

You know what I think it is? You know what I think it is? Not enough drama in the in the White House kind of thing. You know, Congress, the White House, everybody's kind of just very tame times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What else are you going to bitch about? I mean, like really? Oh, Joe Biden's old. Like, did you get the libs mad with that? We're all like, yeah, it's fucking scary. He's too old. Well, we agree.

And you you've already beat that drama number of times. It's not very exciting. And I think that Alex needs something that's kind of exciting to rationalize not talking about the Tucker interview. Yeah. Fighting with David Ike is pretty exciting in terms of like a replacement. There is a certain amount of the Tucker interview with school. The Ike interview is recess. Instead of doing homework, which is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to do your homework.

So unfortunately, David Ike lays out another good point about why don't you talk about Elon Musk saying all of these things. And then you've got another agenda. These are all WEF agendas, by the way, which is autonomous vehicles, where the computer will decide where you can and cannot go, not your personal choice. And so you have Tesla. So what I'm saying is you look at the companies and the things that are done with these, that he's fronting up and these need to be questioned. And since he took over Twitter X in very large areas, they're ceasing to be questioned.

I'll give you an example. No, I think that's fair. I don't want you to make your point, but you're done. We just want to cut you off right now. Let's just say you're completely right. That's why we have you here because we're not censoring and I respect you and love, we really like you a lot, David. He was a little perturbed with me. So I don't know if you noticed that at the end there, but Alex very clearly stopped himself from saying that he loves David. Yeah, he was very clear. We love you. We like you a lot. I love I love that even David Ike is a. Hey, listen, we're friends, your friends. Go ahead and say what you have to say, Alex. Not. Yeah, we're friends.

This is not what this is about. This is a bigger problem. Just fucking talk. Yeah. And then just interrupting at that moment is so obvious. It just doesn't get more obvious than like, well, this is a very threatening thing you're about to say to me. Let's change the subject. But you remember how Alex said that David Ike is the turd in the punch bowl. And he is still, but in a different way. In a different way. What Alex meant was that he like brought the alien stuff into it and ruined all the Patriot militia right wing conspiracies that were actually about serious stuff like the

UN invasion of the United States and FEMA camps and stuff. So yeah, now David Ike is a different kind of turd in the punch bowl where he's the guy who doesn't let you have your fun. You have your narratives and it's all like you're having your dancing along. Everything is a la la la great time. And then David comes along and what about what about the self driving cars? What about what about how this is compatible with the UNWF agenda? I think I think everyone can relate to the feeling of believing you have done

a good job. And then someone you know or love or care about comes up to you and points out something very obvious, a flaw that is right there that you missed. And the sinking feeling of like, I just congratulated myself. Back to the drawing board. You could have done this an hour from now and give me an hour of feeling good about myself, but instead you ripped it away immediately. Yeah, that's David.

That's David. So, obviously, this makes Alex feel a bit defensive that he keeps pointing these things out that are, you know, fine points. It's mean. Yeah, it is. Stay there, David. You're making your points, but you agree with most what you're saying, but you made statements of things. So I'm not bad for interjecting and bringing things up and telling you,

I'm saying the same thing. I'm not bad. Good. Good. I do the same thing I do every day. You're on. I love I love it. And that's what we're doing. So I'm not ma'am. I'm not part of ma'am. Let's just get that straight.

All right. I'm not ma'am. That is the whole point of this fucking interview. Exactly. David, just say I'm not one of them. You can call all the rest of them ma'am. You can talk about how there's a suspicious tendency in other people to not criticize Elon Musk enough, but I am not ma'am. And I also think that there is a feminine quality that Alex is describing to this ma'am thing that might also be kind of hitting a nerve. I agree. I think the combination of Minion, the feminized acronym, and the just straight up, why are you making me feel bad for not being as cool as I think I am?

Right. Oh, that's Right. That's tough. That's very, it's, it's interesting because it's very personal for Alex, obviously. And David, I keeps being like, Hey man, it's not personal. This isn't about, but at the same time, David, Ike is very clearly motivated by feeling left out by this whole group. So it's kind of personal for him. It's just abstractly personal. Whereas this is directly personal for Alex. Yeah. abstractly personal. Whereas this is directly personal for Alex. Yeah. What's personal to David Ike is that people aren't paying attention to what's right. Not that people aren't paying attention to David Ike specifically.

It'd be fine. You know, I'm now obviously David Ike is the only person saying what David Ike is saying. So obviously people have to pay attention to me if they are believing the right things. Yeah. And by definition, David Ike is the only person who's saying the right things. I'm only defending the right things. So that is me and only me. So in this next clip, I've left out a little bit that was hard to contain in one clip because of a commercial break. Essentially, Alex is stipulating that David is right and arguing that if Elon Musk is some kind of a globalist plant, then it must mean that the Patriot side is winning huge because they needed to pull that level of desperation gambit. Now, that's a pitch. Well, he's trying to like give a hypothetical

scenario where, okay, let's say you're right, right, we're still great. So Alex is trying to discuss how the idea that Musk could be a trick is evidence of a great awakening, and that leads us here to this unfortunate moment. I know I'm real, and I just see a huge awakening happening, and that goes to your point, well, they're gonna need to co-opt it, so how would they strike back? It'd be something like Musk. Yeah, but the thing is, Alex,

that you're kind of missing my point. I'm not saying there's not a global awakening. When I started out in 1990, you couldn't fill a phone booth. David, I'm not missing what you said. I said there's a global awakening and you're saying, master's trying to co-opt it. That's what I just said. OK, well, I misunderstood you then.

But the thing is, I'm misunderstood you then. But the thing is that I'm not saying there's not a global awakening. There is. But if you know, if you are this cold and you see this happening, you want to take it into a cold. That's

what I said. I said, are you saying that's what they see and may not making it personal. And let's just have a discussion about about what's going on. So the question then is What happened when Elon Musk Purchased Twitter. Okay, because that was the change that was the change. That's when so many people In the alternative media started eulogizing him instead of questioning him and exposing him as they would have done if he hadn't bought Twitter.

These dudes do not like each other. It seems very clear there is a bit of animus between them. Also, I was surprised I didn't realize that eulogize is not a word that specifically means when someone's dead. Yeah, yeah, it just means saying a bunch of nice things about them. Yep, didn't realize that. So I've learned something today. Thank you, David Ike.

It's fun. It's fun. You know, there is always something to learn from David Ike, something. Always something valuable or useful or real or safe, any number of things. So the two of them both basically just don't think that the other one understands what they're saying,

but they kind of don't and kind of do. I mean, I think what's interesting is that Alex has a sense of like everything that you're, all of your criticisms are right. That's why I feel bad. I want you to regardless of what I choose to do, follow, moving forward. I want you to take those back and make me feel better or at least make them not about me. Yeah. Yeah. Make it about every, all these other tell me I'm a good boy. Yeah. All these other people aren't strong

anyway. You know, like, yeah, they're not the tip of the spear. Like I am. So you keep my mouth, my name out of your mouth. Talk shit on Russell Brand. If you want, I'll give a shit. Totally. And David Ike is like, listen, I'm not talking about you. I mean, I'm talking about you, but right now I'm not talking about you. Now, admittedly, you're included in what I'm talking about right now. So technically speaking, I am talking about you right now. Quite a part of the problem too. Maybe a large percentage of it.

So let's get back to shitting on Elon Musk a little bit with some criticisms that David has. So he's bought Twitter and he puts out the Twitter files and he shows that Twitter's operation, who could post and what could be posted, was basically completely controlled by the deep state. And if you said to people, was Twitter controlled by the deep state before Elon Musk, they'd say, yeah,

all the Twitter files, they showed it. Yeah. OK. So the deep state was in a position that was exactly what it wanted then. It was controlling the narrative. Who could post and who couldn't, just like Facebook and YouTube and all these people. So my question is, why did they sell it to Musk then? Who is supposed to be this free speech absolutist?

Why would they do that? And then you ask, okay, so what's happened as a result? And what's happened as a result is exactly what I'm talking about and challenging, which is people have stopped questioning all the ways that this man is serving the agenda of the cult and the World Economic forum, etc. They've stopped doing it in the way they would have done had he not bought and run Twitter. So it's in moments like this that you can see why a lot of folks in the mam, as Ike would put it,

don't like David Ike. He's really inconvenient for purveyors of lazy narratives because he's an asshole who also has his own world of celebrity that he doesn't need you for. He's prone to poke holes in stories or shine a light on plot holes you were hoping to gloss over at least when that poking and shining serves the furtherance of one of his conspiracies. But yeah, there's really no answer to this question in the real world. If the Globalists had a perfect censorship and narrative building machine in Twitter and all the evidence of their meddling was right there in their files and Elon Musk really was some kind of antagonist to their agenda, why would they sell it to him?

They didn't have to sell it to him, they could have easily rejected his offer but they didn't, which doesn't make sense if the conspiracy narratives are meant to be believed. To these folks, David Eich is annoying because he doesn't play ball. That doesn't mean he's right or any better than any of these people like Alex or Tucker, but he's more of a stickler for playing his own game. He's not going to, he's not going to dive into your game willy nilly just because it seems like there's more attention to be grabbed out of it. Yeah. I mean, David, Ike isn't just a team player. He's not just going to walk in and

be like, Oh, you want me to play short stuff? That's fine. I'll do it. Not a team player. He's not just going to walk in and be like, Oh, you want me to play short stuff? That's fine. I'll do it. Not a team player. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of it's kind of interesting because for David Ike, I don't know how this criticism, do you let me put it this way, right? So you're doing you're doing a David Ike to Alex. That makes perfect sense, right? But then you're David Ike. How does it make sense for your criticism to continue to make sense if they do sell to Elon Musk? Doesn't that also preclude your fucking lizard conspiracies and shit like that? Doesn't that also keep you from having the the complete and total world economic forum takeover that includes the fucking cloud?

Why wouldn't Jack and them want to also have their own part of the fucking cloud or whatever it is? Well, because they're essentially working with Musk, you know, it's just a transition of ownership that gets heat off of Musk's other projects. That would be what it is. The cloud stuff and the satellites and the brain chips and all that stuff that Musk is doing is so important

to the furtherance of the globalist's aims that they just transitioned ownership over in a pretend fight with people like Jack over the censorship and stuff in order to trick the pushbackers, as I believe he said. You know, the people who are supposed to be the watchdogs on the wall and stuff in order to trick the pushbackers, as I believe he said, you know, the people who are supposed to be the watchdogs on the wall and stuff, they get tricked into thinking that Elon Musk is on their team in order to like, don't look over here,

don't look over here. So that's kind of how I think it would work. So it's your question. Right, right, right. So his conspiracy, well, I mean, that's not necessarily his conspiracy so much as it is you creating a sensible version of it, right? Probably. Yeah.

But I think there's elements in my explanation that are the things that David's saying. I mean, yeah, no, and yours is interesting in so far is if somebody, like that is a plan that would sound like you could pull it off. But, but, but, I'm also, to be clear, I'm not making it what I'm saying up. It's paraphrasing of what David is expressing. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

It works. That sounds more fun. That sounds like a more fun and silly thing. But that's kind of the way, you know, conspiracies get you is they are more fun. You know, someone who's not fun, Brett Weinstein. Oh, what do we know? No, why did you bring that name up? Because David, Ike shits on him a little bit and it's kind of fun. That's fine. You know, you know, it's, it's, you got to take little victories. That's refreshing. Yeah. And the other thing that's happening in the world in the mainstream alternative media is that people are coming in since COVID and are now being

promoted as the people we're supposed to listen to, the people that get massive audiences when they are given interviews with Tucker Carlson, people like Brett Weinstein. And Brett Weinstein is interviewed on Tucker Carlson as if he's some kind of expert and activist on COVID. And this is the man who bought every aspect of COVID virtually and there's a video of him during the fake pandemic describing how he wore a scarf around his neck so he could pull it up over his face every time he answered the door. And now we're being told that this guy is supposed to be the COVID activist that gets the massive numbers on Tucker Carlson. What about

all the people that were calling it out in 2020 Tucker? Well I was and you were but David let me just stop you there and I actually wrote some notes on this and I forgot the house. This is one of my points. Brett Weinstein, when he went on Tucker, admitted he was wrong and said that it's all a lie. There's a global government takeover, we're being invaded, and the borders are open and the new world order is real, and there's a global government that we need to,

I don't know if you watched the full interview. I bet Tucker wants to interview you. I mean, so my point is, I know Tucker's for real. Tucker is really woken up now. And is a great guy. I mean, he's not the guy must has this background. I get your points there. But just when you just sit there with a broad, I mean, we have to be don't we have to be ready to have people that were wrong, wake up and join us. What's the problem with Brett Weinstein? Well, yeah, yeah, yes, we do. But but but where where are the people that that caught it out at the time? Where's their promotion? Where's me? Yeah, you can kind of get a sense

here how the fair amount of this comes down to feelings of being left out. David is a little upset that no one wants to hang out with him and he doesn't realize that a big part of it is because he does shit like this. He doesn't get in with the group and probably can't at this point in his career. I just don't think there's any way to make that, that those ends meet. I mean, he's a little bit the kid in class who was like, Oh, you forgot to sign homework for the weekend. You're like, No, we don't like you.

Less that and more kind of like a bully who doesn't realize he is. And he's like, why doesn't he want to hang out with me? But he's bullying dickheads. So it's death note. All that being said, it's always nice to hear someone shit on Brett Weinstein. That dude sucks. And it's a joke to take him seriously on COVID issues.

But I need to make some of the subtext text here. David Ike believes that there was no virus. He believes that COVID and pretty much believe his position is that all viruses are fake. Yeah. He's not calling Weinstein a charlatan because he's a charlatan. He's mad that Weinstein believes there was a real virus. Alex knows that, but is acting like that's not what David's position is because that would lead to another fight, which is really just compound things at this point. They're already deep enough water. Yeah. The last thing you want to say is, wait, are you saying that COVID didn't even happen? Then it's like, ah, fuck, we're gonna have to re litigate.

We're gonna start from the beginning. There will only be lone survivors. Yeah. Run it back. be lone survivors. Let's run it back. So we get back to the cloud business. And there's one thing that I think is, you know, strange. We've heard, we've heard a bit already of David Ike talking about the plans of the vaccines and all this to make nano tech into your body to put you into the cloud and all that. But Alex has a weird response here that if true is a big problem. And I say that that self replicating technology to connect people to the cloud was in the fake vaccines. Those those that were the those kind of sorts. There were many saline I'm sure as well. But those self replicating systems that have been shown in the blood of people

who've had the fake vaccine, that's what's supposed to connect us to the cloud. And every single SpaceX satellite that goes up there and all the other companies doing it, but they're the leader, every new 5G tower and 6G, 7G tower to come is building this cloud to which we are supposed to be connected. This is the bottom line. This is what has to be stopped. This is what we have to refuse to cooperate with. But if you get kind of focused on the left-right kind of focused on the left right kind of Biden Trump stuff. I'm not saying people shouldn't look at that. Of course they should but it's the big picture That's being obscured by that focus of attention

All right, David I've got a million questions and I'm not here yet Just in the in the in the place of debate, you said, I'm gonna stop here. He said, don't make it personal. I'm not gonna be an asshole and read these things. All I'm telling you is, is that I am not a minion of the system.

I will use any avenue I can, and I see a big bandwagon waking up with a new world order. I can't help but get excited. I do smell the double cross. I'm gonna say this. When they first put me on X, and a new world order, I can't help but get excited. I do smell the double cross, I'm going to say this. When they first put me on X, and a little bit after, I watched that when I did certain things and exposed certain things like China and things, suddenly we weren't reaching 10 million people or 5 million people per post, we'd been dialed back.

And we're seeing that now that the conservatives all come in and now, and I even talked with some of the biggest accounts, they're seeing it too. So I think you're going in the right direction here. Whoa If when Alex is saying is true He has no reason to maintain any of these positions that he has about mosque at all He's masquerading around to some kind of free speech guy condemning the past owners of Twitter for shadow banning people But then Alex gets his reach turned down when he starts criticizing China That's a major red flag and if that were actually happening Alex be incensed. He would be so mad. But yeah, happening. Yeah. I mean,

if that happens, it's, it's got to be a situation where it's, it's like, Oh, we're, we're pot committed. Like the only reason that you would stay on is because it's like we lose everything if we break ranks for a second, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And it kind of makes David's argument a little bit. Exactly. Yeah. To the extent some of Alex's posts underperformed, I'm sure that's just the result of lack of interest in some of his chosen topics. I don't believe that what Alex is saying happened. And I'm pretty sure this is just Alex giving lip service to David because he knows that David like is not going to stop. If what Alex is saying

is true, or even if Alex just believes it to be true, he's got to stop supporting Musk or at least become very critical of him. Is the guy who shadowbands you for posting about China is someone you can trust to brain chip people? Are you kidding? He's going to put fentanyl the Chinese dragon in your head. You can't have that. You're gonna be walking around just seeing fentanyl all over the place. Yeah, but you're forgetting he's going to put fentanyl the racist dragon in your head and not some sort of pro LGBTQ purple penguin in your head, which I think arguably is better for what? What? Okay. Yeah, it's very strange for Alex to come out with this.

I think he doesn't mean it at all. He's just trying to placate David Ike. That is basically. I agree. I totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex, and now that he's sort of warmed up to David Ike and been like, all right, man, whatever. Musk sucks. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's just be friends or whatever. Let's move on. Yeah. He loads up a hundred questions for him. Let's talk about who you from. Let's move on. He loads up a hundred questions for him Let's talk about who you from your research think Elon Musk is and I know you say they want to connect to say I I agree we know that that's the plan But I'm saying who do you think he is? Why was he chosen? And and and where do you think this is going and so many questions the election

Russia the wars how are they going to, what new crisis is the globalist system going to use? A new virus? I mean, just kind of give us, we're ten minutes to break, nine minutes to break, I'm trying to give you the floor. Give us your prognosis or forecast. Yeah, well, yeah, and I will. But just let me say can use X to get information out knowing what it is without describing Elon Musk as the biggest

Maverick in the last 500 years. He ain't the biggest Maverick in the last 500 minutes. I asked me about who he is. He's a front man. He's a salesman. You know, I had to bloody laugh when he said on the Joe Rogan, one of the Joe Rogan interviews that he spent 80 percent of his time designing and engineering. Oh, at the same time that he runs all these companies apparently and tweets on Twitter X all the time. I mean, it's ridiculous. He's a front man, other people in the background

are running the show, but he's a very good salesman. He's selling the electric car, autonomous car thing. He's selling the microchip. He's saying, oh, look, you know, we've got more and more starlink connections and satellites in the gray. Oh, yeah, Elon, without people realizing actually the prison is being built all around them. So he's a front man. And what we need to do is take everything on its merits without falling for the hype. And that means that we will question these people. Whether they run TwitterX or not, we question them. We look at what they do, not what they say, and therefore we don't fall for the scam. Sorry, is Alex coming back or what? Why has he gone away? Someone's saying keep going. So I will then. He's listening to you.

Oh, he's listening to me. Okay. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Wow. A little disrespectful. He's gone away. It's brilliant what Alex did.

He's like, David Ike loves to fucking talk nonstop. So I'm going to ask a bunch of questions, just about scatter shot ideas. Let him go. I'm, I'm going to get a drink. I'm getting out. It's something. Yep. And so you just left.

Yep. Yep. That whole, the moment he said, I've got 10 minutes to break. I'm going to give you a bunch of questions. It was like, can you talk straight for 10 minutes? I'm out. You got 10 minutes because I'm pissed off at you and this is annoying. And you made me feel bad. And I asked you, I've gotten to the point where I'm saying

that Elon Musk shadow banned me for post to go Twitter. I got to get a fucking drink. I agreed with you just to shut you up. And then I gave you all the opportunity in the world to change the subject and you were like, one more thing. Well, guess what? Fuck you. I'm out. Yeah. So Alex does come back and there's, there's a development that happens and that is that Alex isn't going to take calls with David. Like they're going to go on Twitter and open up a space. They're open up a Twitter space and take people from Twitter. It was back in the mid-1990s that David said non-human, interdimensional creatures are sucking our souls and killing us and making us war with each other. Now when you talk about it, it's mainline news. Now Tucker Carlson says he believes it, people don't bald, so there's a big awakening. I want to go to some of these ex-spaces comments or questions. Quick ones for David Ike here. So yeah, we're gonna go into the Twitter space.

Very exciting. Very exciting. And it could be anybody. Anybody could show up. Anybody could show up. Anybody at all. Yep. So Alex wants to get to these calls.

So here is where we begin with the Twitter spaces. I'm gonna nail you down because I want to go to some to these calls. So here is where we begin with the Twitter Spaces. I'm gonna nail you down, because I wanna go to some of these calls before you gotta go, some of these ex comments. I have no idea what they're gonna say, who they are. I think the crew may know some of them, they're looking them up. But just in closing, when are you gonna come on commercial free hour on your new book?

Well, I'm still writing it. That's the point. That's why I said to Daria, you know, I couldn't come on in January because I was in a really deep, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious,

serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, serious, We'll talk to, we'll get you on soon while we still got you. Let's pull up X's one down the three or four times. And instead of phone calls, this is people on X, uh, who want to talk to you. And, um, and so I've got the crew in there, uh, connected to this.

I know how it really works. The crew's doing it. Who, who do we go to first chase? Let's go to Brian Krasnstein. He joined and asked to speak. Go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you gotta say, Brian. God damn it. Bed is back.

God damn it. How did back. God damn it. How did he get back in here? He just talks about how like, you know what, David? I think it's actually quite right. Quite likely that the world is a simulation. He decided to call in to be like, you know what, David? Like you may be more credible than people give you credit for. Oh my God. Congratulations, Chris. So that's what happens when you spend too much time on Twitter. That's what happens when you spend too much time on Twitter. That's what happens when your life becomes Twitter and then Twitter becomes a right wing space. It doesn't matter what you were, whatever you are.

Your part is motivated to chase the thing that is that. And unfortunately, it's justifying David Ike. So there's a very clear goal that Alex has and that is that he wants Elon Musk to come on the Twitter space. It's very obvious. He wants to get he's like, all right, I'm not having a real great time having this fight with David Ike. So let Elon Musk fight him. Let's just do that. So after Brian Krasenstein is on, Alex gets another caller and they'll let you decide what's going on here. We need to move the next person.

We got a lot of other great people want to talk to David. I hope he stays with us for the rest of the hour, but he's doing a lot right now. Right finishing his book. His amazing daughter went to the next level. So we really appreciate David being here with us today. One of my daughters, I got three daughters. I've probably known her for a year, but David's tough guy. We love David. Who's up next here, Chase? One of his kids died with Adrian Dippman. Adrian, go ahead and unmute yourself and say

what you have to say. Yeah, I think it's really interesting that David Ike say complaints of, I don't know, being connected to the hive mind, even though he already is. I mean, you're right now speaking to thousands of people. So I mean, alternately, which is a selective hive mind. So is this, is this Elon Musk? Elon just do a fucking sock puppet account because he's pathetic and sad. So we've got Adrian Ditman as the, uh, his, his called in. And yes, David Ike, one of his children just died and Alex is being very weird about it. That's very weird.

Why did you bring that up? If not to be like, I'm going to throw David Ike off immediately. So I'm listening to this and I'm hearing this Adrian Ditman character and I think it sounds a lot like Elon Musk. That's Elon Musk. There's other parts of his delivery and his speech patterns that are not like Elon Musk. That's Elon Musk. There's other parts of his delivery and his speech patterns that are not like Elon Musk. There are some distinctions and like particularly Elon generally has a really sedated, deliberate way of speaking. And this person kind of seems pretty amped up. There's a lot of like faster, more aggressive speech. And I thought that was like, no, it's a little weird, but it's not being Elon. He's being Ditman. All right. And Ditman talks.

So I was dead set on not caring about this at all. But then I looked up Adrian Ditman's account on Twitter and I have no idea what's going on. So there's two things here that I struggle to put into their right place. The first part is that Adrian Ditman's Twitter account is full of posts glorifying Elon Musk and all of his companies, which makes me think that it's Elon under an alias. However, famously last July there was a Twitter space where Elon had a whole conversation with Adrian Ditman, who's the guy who sounds just like him. It's very confusing because it seems like a prank where Elon could be doing both voices, but it just doesn't seem like that's possible since they're both talking at the same time

at multiple points during that conversation. I just don't know how they would fake that, per se. This was even covered in media outlets like Yahoo, though they didn't do any follow-up journalism on the person himself. I mean, Elon Musk does have a brother, doesn't he? Probably. I don't know. I don't know about his life. That would make sense. That would make sense if it was, if it was a family member or something like that, because that would explain the accent. It would explain the similarity in

tone and it would explain the differences at the same time. You're right. It could be. So that's one possible scenario, but I have two that I came up with. And I think the most plausible one is that this is a different guy who sounds just like Elon Musk, who because he sounds a lot like Elon Musk has leaned into it and has made his Twitter presence very Musk centric. That seems like Occam's razor for me. I could be wrong and maybe I'm just not in on the joke, but it's hard for me to figure out

how Elon could possibly be talking alive as two people talking over each other in that space. A sibling, maybe a Freaky Friday situation, maybe you could be onto something. The alternative though is that Elon is so addicted to tweeting that he has an entire second account that he uses to pretend to be someone else who really loves Elon Musk and all his companies, which seems believable, but also painfully sad. No, that's one of the most common things available. Do you not know that?

Like, well, but for the person who owns the site, very pathetic. Sure. But I mean, for Kevin Durant, it's incredibly pathetic. Everybody knows about it. And he still has like seven of them that talk about how fucking great he is. Like that is just what famous people do. I find that behavior a little bit unbecoming. It's pathetic and sad. Yeah. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You you you are on the side of you think this is definitely Elon Musk? What do you think? I think it's definitely Elon Musk. I think if he had a conversation with somebody that was very much to make it look like this was not a sock puppet account because this that is the way he pronounces Simultaneously and the way he leans into hive mind

That is either Elon Musk or somebody who spends so much time with Elon Musk They can't help but sound Obsessive But yeah, that's Elon Musk though and the fact that he's calling into wine about somebody who's been mean to him That makes perfect sense for Elon Musk too So we'll see we'll see how David follows things up here But there's a big difference from what the gentleman has just said, that we're in a hide mind and all that stuff as we're speaking.

But there's a difference between having connections with people and communications with people and having the perceptions that we make of what we say and what we make of what people say. The system, it's going to show us the input it wants as the issue. Yeah, being given to us by a hive mind. You know, it was kind of funny how sci-fi kind of later mirrors reality. This is probably not a coincidence either. And in Star Trek they had the Borg and the Borg were kind of a kind of part technological kind of race and what they did was infuse people with like nano probes to make them part of the Borg hide mind.

That's the fact. It was they called it. And those nano probes, we now call smart dust, nanobots, nanotechnology, all these things. Fact. And this is all building this hide mind that I'm talking about. And like I say, fine, and interaction is fine. We should have it.

So this is kind of to David Ike's credit, I guess. And that is that he's not even engaging at all with the fact that this guy sounds exactly like Elon Musk. Yeah, I'll say that. He's just hearing the guy's point and then being like, nah, nah, nah, we're turning into the Borg. I mean, I don't like having an 80 year old man

explain Star Trek to me. That's what's just too late. It's not an uncommon experience. It's just too late now. You can't do it anymore, especially not if you're describing what's going to happen in the real world. Well, leaving that to the side, there's a message discipline that is notable on David Ike's part. So obviously there needs to be a little bit of a discussion about whether

or not this is Elon Musk. So Alex, it's Elon. It comes up and it is denied. I forget the name of the person commenting But sir do you want to have a come back today? But I go ahead Is he gone Okay, I'm so here Come back to that go ahead Yeah, you're already connected to all of us You think that everything is different or that we don't have a smart dust

So it's because any smart dust when you have a device that is capable of all the things that you've mentioned and you are already connected to the hive mind. What the hell are you communicating on right now? Who are you communicating with? All the people. They are perceptions shared through a medium of speech. Like there is structurally no difference between having a bunch of nanobots running through your bloodstream accomplishing the same thing when you're holding a device that is connected to this thing that is a field of information that is the Internet. There's nothing wrong about it, there's nothing strange about it, it's just the way things are.

Integrating stuff like this into ourselves biologically just removes latency and decreases the latency for information. By the way, I think this is Elon Musk. There's really no difference. Is this Elon Musk? It's really not. No, no, it's really not. I'm just weird. Don't worry about it. Well, you could be a dead ringer for him. Well, the Elon clone. What else do you want to say? Sorry. Elon clone. Go ahead.

The theories, the theories. Yeah, the theories. I don't know. It's kind of stupid. Don't worry about it. Well, what else would you like to say, sir? What else would you like to say, sir? So I'm not convinced 100%. I have some skepticism around this. You've decided that it definitely is. I mean, listen, I know that you could go to a live show around 2008 to 2018 and see MF Doom and I don't know if it'd be doom behind that mask. So if you want to have a

conversation with yourself on the space that you own, maybe that's a lot easier to do than, I don't know, it sounds like him and it sounds like him in real life too. Like there's no way that I can read about how he's a workaholic with a nonstop like constant stream of consciousness going and then listen to a Joe Rogan interview where he goes slowly and not think that he's doing that deliberately. Right? Sure, sure. You know that that injects your own expectations on it too, which you could be off about. So that's what makes it quite difficult. I don't know. I'm not sold, but Alex definitely is. He's sure that this is Elon Musk.

We should surely be pursuing an understanding of what is this place, what are we doing here? Otherwise, you know, we just go through life being pawns of a game we don't understand. And we gotta go to break and I want to ask the ex-poster that sounds just like Elon Musk a dead ringer please stay there if you can we were on radio stations we have to at least break twice an hour we got to go to a three minute break we're gonna come right back I hope the caller stays there sounds just like Elon Musk but I get the point of the Elon Musk sounding person he's saying we don't use tools like the Native Americans didn't have guns so they lost he's saying why not use it It's kind of what I'm getting.

But we'll come right back and have the person that sounds just like Elon Musk, a little bit of an angry Elon Musk, finish up what he wants to say, and then they'll get David Ike here. This is I am in the Twilight Zone right now. Got David Ike and a guy that sounds just like Elon Musk. And I've been on it with two and a half hours of Elon Musk before. We're going to figure this out. This is newsmaking. Stay with us. This is newsmaking.

I don't think they figure it out at any point. Now that he wants it so bad. This guy does like consistently say, no, I am not Elon Musk, which is exactly what Elon Musk would do if you were in this situation. So it's kind of a undefinable piece of evidence. You can't tell if it goes one way or the other. But it seems, it seems like, okay, I would understand the argument for why you would do this if you were Elon Musk. You want probably to not have your name on, I called in to argue with David Eich. You know, that's not necessarily the best thing for business, but he does all

kinds of things that are best for business. He told advertisers to go fuck off at that press conference, you know, he doesn't really have that much of a PR sensitivity to himself. He why wouldn't he do this? He loves attention. This seems like something that he would do. He doesn't care about stockholders and like that kind of issue. There's no reason really, I think, to hide behind a sock puppet if you're him. Now, secondarily, Alex is basically and literally saying, this is Elon Musk. If you're Elon Musk and you're using a sock puppet account, that might be when you bail. You might not like, it's no longer useful for you Whatever reason you were hiding behind a sock puppet account. It's been destroyed the illusion of it is is Destroyed so why wouldn't you then just be like all right this this prank is kind of over? I don't know it doesn't make sense to me

Here's it. Here's my Like I mean I could see I can see it. It's not like it's not like a South African accent is completely unheard of. You can find them, you know? But ah, man, it's, if you want to seem like you're popular and you want to seem like people really want to defend you, not just you, Petdily, arguing with anybody online. And if you are called out by anyone for being fake, you want it to be Alex Jones. But if you have a very specific voice, yeah, it's so specific, you can't call into something to pretend to be that sock puppet

and have it actually have the impact that you're describing of, hey, someone is standing up for me and defending me. It's very transparent if that were what you were doing. It seems like the arguments for it actually being him fail in some ways, although it's hard to also get past the point where it's like, that's believable that it could be him. Yeah, I think I think it's got to be I'm going to go with I'm going to go with family. I'm going to go with it is somebody directly related to Elon Musk. If not, Elon Musk himself.

Okay, that's an interesting that's an interesting stance you're taking. I think I don't know. I can't. What if it's one of his kids? How old are his kids? One of them is quite young. I don't know how to pronounce any of their names. They're all simple and shit. So Alex is very obsequious and treating this guy like he is Elon Musk. Yes. And you know, if it is, then it kind of makes sense.

But if this isn't Elon Musk, it's really comical the way Alex is treating him. He's kissing this guy's ass. And at a certain point, David kind of gets sick of the games surrounding this and is like, what are we doing here? If AI, for instance, gets connected to us, I don't think it's going to be the end of us. It's just going to help us evolve a faster and better. You see, you can't just, you can't beat this thing. It's better than us. It is much better than us. It is not just better than us. It is all of us put together in one thing, simplified, without the biological constraints that every other human brain has. It is actually quite a beautiful technology, but it is also risky.

And I think the risk factor is something that should, that should be spoken of, but in a realistic sense, to the point that should that should be spoken of, but in a realistic sense, to the point that we don't stop us development. Please don't go Adrian. Let's get David Ike's response. David Ike, stay there. David. Can we can we just get this right? Is this Elon Musk or not? Never mind the name. We say you're on Musk or what? Absolutely not. Nope. Absolutely not. to what? Absolutely not. Nope. Absolutely not. 100% stop. Someone, someone told me in the break, oh, this is definitely Elon Musk. So that's the

one that's all right. No, look, he's plausible. The ability. This is a, okay, just like, let's just say it's Elon Musk. Got any questions for him? Okay. So like, this is nuts. I mean, if Elon Musk, Musk does need plausible deniability, it's pretty much out the window now that Alex has said that Musk, Musk does need plausible deniability, it's pretty much out the window now that Alex has said that. So there is no plausible deniability. I'm still not totally convinced it's him. He sounds a lot like him, but there are differences enough that make me be like, yeah, it's possible. It's not. What is clear is that Alex 100% thinks it is. And that somewhat at info wars, probably chase Geyser, who's working the boards

today told David during the break that this is Elon Musk. That's not evidence that it is though, because they're wrong about a lot of stuff. But also, we don't have evidence that it isn't. And so like, this is it, is it not is a question that, you know, we have no access to and no way of proving one way or the other. I think, I think this is yet another situation where Ike has cut to the quick in a way that lays bare the truth of the ma'am. Everybody's spending so much time reacting to one person's possibility that they are

not at all engaging with reality or David's point. Exactly. Yeah. The this pageant and the stuff the way that Alex is kissing this guy's ass because he thinks that it's Elon Musk proves David's point almost entirely 100%. So there's an irony to this being how the interview ends up culminating. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't get more obvious. Does it? No. So Alex at this point now is like, all right, this interview and this Twitter space has turned into I'm going to moderate a discussion between Elon Musk and David Ike, whether or not I know for sure that this is Elon Musk.

I understand. So listen, I'm going to have another question to Adrian, another question to David Ike. Let me throw that out at you. Tucker Carlson says he believes interdimensional entities are manipulating reality already through this simulation We all basically know this is I think we're all agreeing. That's pretty much what we're in. We're not we haven't figured it out yet I think Adrian saying we can use our own systems of AI to break through that and find out what's happening Maybe I'm putting words in his mouth But but regardless having a debate about this and open discussion

I think it's really healthy But Adrian what do you think about the idea that aliens are coming from a distant star system but actually always better like like I've said that Carlson said and and and that there is a manipulation already of the reality I mean I haven't seen any actual definitive evidence of aliens the only proof that we have this they've really shot a footage and potentially even altered stuff that then later on of course You know it's been exposed to be as such But I mean it's an interesting theory for sure and one that it does bear

Still I mean I haven't seen any really convincing evidence for aliens That's not the answer Alex wanted you wanted something about demons and shit. Oh well. Oh well. Adrian didn't come through for him Just fucking be Elon Musk. God damn it so they they talk about Going to Mars and Adrian believes that they should go to Mars and this David Ike is just progressively getting more like This is not serious. What is going on here? There are a lot of questions that need to be asked. We really need to go there and check out what exactly happened there. Regardless of that, I mean, sure, maybe, but I haven't seen any definitive evidence for aliens.

Alright, well that's a perfect Elon Musk answer. This is either an amazing advanced AI of Elon Musk or it's Elon Musk, Adrian Ditman. I'd like to go by Rogue AGI. Rogue AGI, okay, okay. David, I, if you had a chance, and maybe Elon will listen to this later, and wanted to ask Elon a few questions instead of I get you're on your points, but if you were talking to Elon Musk, which we, okay,

what would you say to him? Well, if that was Elon Musk, this is ridiculous, this is the playground for goodness sake. So what I was going to say is that what he's talking about is really low level stuff. He's talking about going to Mars. Mars is just in our reality. It's just another part of the bloody simulation.

And I'm not saying that aliens are coming from other planets. So Columbus coming to America was just a simulation. Everything that happens in our reality is people consciousness operating within a simulation not realized as it is a simulation unless they are in the inner core of the cult and then they bloody will. So you got like a very normal reaction to this from David Ike, which is, man, if this is Elon Musk, this is some childish shit.

This is nonsense. Now back to my point. Yeah. I mean, at least the rogue AGI suggests that it's Elon Musk. I think only only Elon Musk would have the ego necessary to willingly call himself that like a fucking asshole. No, I don't. I don't think so. the ego necessary to willingly call himself that like a fucking asshole. No, I don't, I don't think so. I think that people who are musk fans in such might as well. Probably. I've gone over this and I see no definitive evidence either direction. I think that my, my gut tells me that it's maybe not your gut says that it is or a family member.

Who knows? I don't like it is what my gut says but but I think from a r show in the discussion of this the most important thing is that Alex believes it to be for sure oh and you see his behavior change entirely because of it so one thing that I think is really notable is that he's just letting this person who may or may not be Elon Musk do whatever he wants on the show. Are we familiar with the paperclips scenario? I am a tell people. Totally, totally. Oh my god.

Yeah, it's very simple that you give an agent a set goal that says, hey, it's a benign agent. It's an agent that does not seek to destroy anything. But its goal is to turn things into paperclips, to manufacture paperclips. And so eventually it realizes, oh, I could create a whole turn things into paperclips to manufacture paperclips. And so eventually it realizes I could create a whole bunch of more paperclips if I say, change the atoms that are inside of your body in such a way that it becomes in a paperclip and that it begins paperclipping the fucking universe at some point when it reaches critical mass.

Right? This is obviously bad because then it kills all of humanity in the pursuit of creating paperclips. He just said fuck on air and Alex doesn't even correct him. Doesn't stop him at all. It's totally fine because he thinks this is a musk. Hey, listen, when you're talking about the gray goo scenario, okay, you let people drop the F bomb wherever they want. Well, if it's somebody that you're so deeply invested

in sucking up to, then yeah, you don't have to, all the standards of what you pretend to enforce on your show. All of that goes out the window and the behavior changing and the permissiveness that he has is glaring. And like I said, and like you said, it makes musks or I'm sorry, it makes David Ike's entire point. Yeah. It is, it is like the giddiness with which Alex treats Elon showing up, even if it's not really Elon. The fact that Elon did it means Elon could. This could be Elon, which means I'm important enough for Elon to suddenly drop by. Right. Just like Alex's definition of winning the war against the globalist is someone said something nice about him on Rogan. It's all just his identity is wrapped up in this ma'am as David Ike put

it and he's incapable of behaving in ways counter to it. So this I thought was pretty shocking because David Ike has been there for an hour and a half talking to Alex being a being a maybe a little bit insulting but also game guest and Alex is gonna give the closing word on this whole thing to guy who sounds like Elon Musk We're really glad you called in please don't hang up I'm gonna give David Ike a closing comment because the show only has eight minutes left I'm gonna give Adrian a closing comment and then we're going to go to the fourth hour of the guest host that's here and it's my 50th birthday.

Somebody's to me and they give me a birthday cake. I love them, but it's whatever. We'll see if that happens. But the point is, is that David Ike, Adrian's still there. Um, this has been quite the interview. It's going to get a lot of attention. Yeah. So we're going to give the last word to Adrian,

guy who might be Elon Musk. I'm just gonna let you close out my show because maybe you could be a human being. So then the- But also, also, here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. Yeah. Maybe you could also be an AI version of Elon Musk.

And frankly, that's also fine. Sure. If it's good enough, then that's also fine. If I can optically present this as Elon being there, then that's all that really matters for my purposes. You are Elon Musk. Sure. So from this, he's like, David, you get the last comment and then we'll go to Adrian to do the last their actual last comment. And he cuts David off to throw it to Adrian. No longer is it necessary to manipulate information to manipulate perception because your perceptions will come direct.

And you know, this is where it's going. David, we understand. Amazing. Amazing hour and 45 minutes with you. When your book comes out in a few months, look forward to speaking to you. DavidEye.com. It's not going to come out in a few months. Thank you so much. DavidEye.

He's still writing it. All right, mate. Thank you very much. Been great. That was power. All the best, Elon. All right. See ya. Our Adrian. It's not Elon, it's just

somebody that sounds just like even sounds just as smart as him. So I'm going to shut up for Adrian here. In the six minutes we have left in just about the whole world, the Putin interview, war, the economy, six minutes, we just want to hear what Adrian sounds like a person. Yes, Adrian. You've got the floor to talk about just in general, your view on the world. You cannot take your time, man.

Hang out. It takes the last bit of my show. It's the obsequiousness, the bending over backwards to accommodate, the constantly being like, please don't hang up, please don't hang up. All of this is, it's just a staggering demonstration of exactly the criticism that David Eich is making. Here's what I like about this. Here's my favorite part about this. Every like prank person should listen to this

and go like, oh, we don't need to exist. And what we do is stupid and easy. It's so easy. All you have to do is sound like the guy. And Alex Jones will give you his show. Well, Alex got tricked by AI Louis CK. Not too long ago. Totally, but I'm not talking about that.

You don't even need that. That's too much effort. You could just sound a little bit like Louis CK. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. So Adrian does not actually get the last word on the show because eventually Mike Hansen, Alex's old producer and video camera guy comes in to give him a cake. Sure. Listen to any of that. Oh, but it is 50th birthday. It's not technically it's a couple days after, but Alex has a little bit of a wrap up here.

And like I said, I mean, I just keep coming back to this point, but like he is proving David's case. All right, look, I'm completely blown away right now. You know, I took a Carlson interview, you got David Icon with us. I love David. You got Elon Musk calling in. I was Elon Musk. But he can have plausible nobility. It's just beautiful.

It turns out he called in last week. I guess our last exes, we appreciate that. And I talked to Joe Rogan a lot. Joe Rogan came out and basically endorsed the show and said that I'm the cutting edge and it's not about me. We want to have a real discussion about this. You can't be afraid of any of this stuff. We have to openly discuss what's going on here. And I think Elon is a force for good now overall and you can't lie.

Jesus said you judge a tree by its fruits. He's doing just pure gold right now. And you know I think David gets scared by that. I understand he saw this 30 years ago. We respect him. We're not saying he's wrong about this, but there's some stuff going on here. And it's above my pay grade, but it's above all of our pay grades. I'm sorry. But here's the thing. Alex is saying that it's you judge tree bites, fruits and all this bullshit. But earlier in this episode, he has listed off negative fruits. He had to admit when David brought it up that Elon Musk is pushing for carbon taxes.

That's a big deal. That's a big piece of the globalist agenda. There's the self-driving cars. This is something that Alex had to give up on. The whole question of him shadow banning Alex for talking about China. These are the negative fruits that David's entire point, well, not his entire point, but the part that intersects with reality, the part of his criticism that intersects with reality is that these people because of their obsession with Elon Musk, do not give any legitimate pushback or criticism of him where they would if he was somebody else. And Alex has just essentially

demonstrated that. He's made points in this episode that are the negative fruits that are the things that you should judge Elon Musk by and then in service of defending him, he says you judge a tree by its fruits and Elon Musk was great. No, what are you doing? Don't make me defend David Ike. What the fuck's wrong with you?

I mean, I don't know what's happening here. I don't know what's happening. If, I mean, here's what, here's what here's what bums me out over the past two episodes. Um, if that was Elon Musk, then I would say that in the past two episodes, two of the most powerful individual human beings ever to live have proven themselves to be fucking idiots that are pathetic whiny

scared and Have far too much power. Yeah, there's a little bit of a clowniness to what their behavior is engaged in Yeah, yeah, I think what the fact that what they're doing is so uninteresting to people and because of its off putting this because of its petulance, its whininess, it's it's like personal grudginess, its bitterness. To find out that that's the type of shit to find out that a man with as much money and power as Elon Musk is calling in period is fucking

scary. It is if it is him. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like I said, that's a question that, you know, maybe we'll be made clear at some point down the line, but we don't have access to knowing if it is him or not. What is important is I think within this episode you have a really clear narrative almost like but like not a narrative in terms of like a storyline of the world there's a storyline a plot to this episode that you have Alex shrugging off the Putin interview because it's not what he wanted it to be and there's not enough fertile ground for him to use it as a garden so he just kind of puts that to the side replaces it with getting into a fight with David Ike.

David Ike has these criticisms about the obsession with Elon Musk. Alex interviews him impotently and incompetently to the point where he ends up saying stuff that very much agrees with David Ike, even unsolicitedly saying that Elon has been shadow banning him on Twitter since he came back. Then Elon Musk shows up and Alex proves all of David Ike's points. It's it's it's so interesting like from a like it's a bottle episode almost. It is it is. And here's the other thing that I think is so crazy about it is it is another reason why you don't need to bother interviewing or going on info wars. Even if Alex is predisposed to listen to your criticisms, even if you make them in such a way that Alex himself agrees with them in

five minutes, he's going to go back to giving Elon Musk a blow job. Yeah. Whatever he agrees to is not going to go back to giving Elon Musk a blow job. Yeah, you whatever he agrees to is not going to stay. It doesn't mean anything for him. It is useful for him to give lip service to David Ike's arguments in order to wiggle out of the situation that he's in that is very uncomfortable with David not shutting up about these criticisms of him that he has no rebuttal to. But eventually David's going to be gone. Eventually it'll be gone or there will be someone who's more important, the guy I think is Elon Musk and that will just change everything. And then I'll get ice cream.

Because at the end of because at the end of all of this, let's remember, I don't know if there was a, let's remember the problem. The problem all across the board was the Putin interview wasn't fun. Hanging out with David Ike wasn't fun. Nope. Things didn't get fun until the super rich guy maybe sounded like he was there. And then we're going to go eat ice cream. And again, proves David Ike's complaint proves David Ike's complaint 100%.

So what a bizarre episode, bunch of nonsense. But hey, I hope you feel better. I'm working on it. Also, I think I'm 50 50 on if we're going to have a Friday episode for spoilers. I have I have to get a root canal on Thursday. We usually record on Thursday, so it may not be feasible. So if it is, hey, we have about two, three hour episodes this week, so it's not too bad. It can't be that bad. Right, so we'll see. Maybe there'll be something on Friday, maybe not,

but if not, we'll be back when the time comes, Monday. Indeed. Indeed. But we have a website. Indeed we do. It's all right.com. Yep. We're also on blue sky. We are on blue sky as knowledge right. And in the description of this episode, there will be the link to the all the ticket links for for the shows. So if you'd like that, there they are. Anyway, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo, Leo, I'm DZX Carks. There's only so many bits you can do with making noises

with your mouth. It's tough. Yeah, sucks. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.