Knowledge Fight - #906: January 9, 2008

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan shoot back to the past to explore the day that Alex uncovered a nefarious plot to steal the 2008 New Hampshire primary from Ron Paul.

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Hello, Alex and Mr. Tim Collin. I'm a huge fan and love your work. Knowledge Fight. No, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight MD. I'm Jordan.

We're Couple Dudes. I sit around, worship with the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Indeed, right on there. I'm Jordan work up a dude's like sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe. Oh, indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan quick question for you. So what's your right spot today? But my right spot today Jordan because I fucked it up on the last episode. I forgot. I got the stackies back going nice stackies dot sub stack dot com indeed. They got a post out on Friday and I fucked up again. How'd you fuck up this time? Well, I always feel like

Everybody gets so much fucking spam and so much sure and so there's a drop-down menu when you're publishing a post And says send to all subscribers right through email, which makes sense They're the ones who subscribe it does the idea is they want the email right? Yes subscribe. The idea is they want the email. Right. Yes. It's a check that though. That's the wrong check. Exactly. I don't check that. So like I don't think a lot of people actually do this happen. This came out or were reminded. So I think there's an option where I can send out a send the post to everybody. Right. I may end up doing that after the fact. I

still have been like thinking about should I do that? Is that right? Is that bothering people no of course I think the that of all the things that you do. This is the one time you're like, please Send me email. I have to go out of my way to not get emails from people in this case people are going please Sure, I'm sure I mean if you subscribe you probably want to be reminded, but yeah, anyway that That's there if you want to find it directly. That's where it's at do it and it's good time And then you'll get an email later. Yeah, probably for that from me Hey, hey, are you ready?

Hack my the sub stack in order to take care of this the plan So it's your bright spot my bright spot the wife and I went to a movie theater For the first time in five years. I knew this was coming. Yeah, we saw a dune. Right. Yep, it was good. Cool.

Yep, moving on. You got some spice? I did not get any spice. There was plenty of spice. Did you get the much memed popcorn bucket? No, we went to the Logan Theater, which is infinitely better. I don't even know if that popcorn bucket's real. I just keep seeing pictures of it on

Twitter. I don't want any part of any, but I don't even want the internet. If I worked at a movie theater, I would replace the bottles of the yellow salt that they put on the popcorn and label it spice. Oh yeah. Malone. Uh-huh. No, I don't want to cater to that much. Yeah. All right. All right. Hit the broad. Fast. And I'd have everybody dress up like worms.

Yeah. I know very little about Dune. I think you've crushed it so far. You've nailed it. 100%. I've heard it's good. I've heard movies good. It's really good. I would recommend like watch them both when it comes out.

I think you'd actually really enjoy watching them, but only if you watch them both as at your leisure. Mm-hmm. You got about five hours to invest, right? Mm-hmm spend a day, you know, maybe take an hour off the same way people read Dune Experience the movie sure be like that. This is talking about like with an intermission and take a shit You know and then watch it watch it while you're doing that and then turn it off and then move on to another thing. See, for me, I don't really ever have the drive to watch movies. Sure. And so I feel like I'd need to go to a theater to watch it.

It would need to be an appointment thing. Yeah. But yeah, maybe I'll watch them down the road. Also, I mean, it's just, I would watch it in theater just because it's like big. It's big. Big old worms. Yeah, yeah, yeah So, you know somebody else who probably watch doing I would assume so but we're not gonna be talking about the present day We have an episode to go over from the past

Sure, we'll get down to business on exactly what happened there, but before we do let's say hello to some new walks That's great idea. So first we can solve the great Chicago land potato tomato debate through protoplast fusion creating pomados. parentheses this is a real thing thank you so much you are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you next Alex Jones is basically a pinchan character come to life except his name is too boring it should be like frothing ham owl glass or something thank you you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy

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Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to I made a patreon to support Yiff games and this podcast. Don't tell my wife. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. this podcast don't tell my wife. Thank you so much. You're an hour technocrat I'm a policy wonk Someone someone sotomite sent me a buck at a poop daddy shark Jar Jar Binks has a caribbean black action He's a loser little little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much Yes, thank you very much. So here's the situation Jordan. Yes

I've been going back and trying to get all the episodes for the live shows ready, right? And so through doing that I end up listening to a bunch episodes that we don't end up using because they're not good Or they're not good for live shows, right? But occasionally I come across something that I think is like oh boy This is something that we should talk about. It's just not good for on a stage that happens So I did find one such episode. Okay, I thought okay. This would be interesting thing to cover It's sort of out of the blue. I could use a little break from the Elon Musk saga at the present day So dear Lord. Yes, so I wanted to go to the past

So I decided there were two options we could continue in 2004 which are not abandoning but it would be you know we could go to the 2004 or we could do this episode that I decided was good but not for a live episode right so you gave me the options I texted you did out of the blue a or b yeah now here's the thing uh-huh you I chose the other one and you've decided we're gonna go with this one. Yes. I gave you the illusion of choice because it wasn't about what you actually chose. It was how I would feel after you made the choice.

Okay, okay. So if I chose randomly incorrectly and you felt like, oh, we should have done that, that would tip you over the edge into deciding which one to do. I wasn't sure which one I wanted to do. I wasn't sure if I was really fully into doing this episode. So I wanted you to either choose it and see how I felt, or you chose the other one and see if I was disappointed. That is fascinating, because that

suggests that the best way for you to chart a path forward is through regret. Uh, duh. But that's not possible from an entropic standpoint. Sure. So we need to predict what is going to go wrong for you in the future so you can not do that. Trust me, my brain is constantly thinking

of the ways things could go wrong. I've noticed. So, yeah. But anyway, this episode is January 9th, 2008. I will not tell you what episode this could have been for the live show. I won't tell you. Okay. I won't tell you why this day was chosen. I won't tell you what city. All right. Nothing. Okay. None of that. Okay. January 8th. It might have been for Toronto 2008. All right. So we're in ninth, 2000 January 9th, 2008. We're in a recession. That financial

crash has happened. We're all going crazy. None of this is a factor in today's show. Okay. Sorry. I'm just trying to get to the mood. No. The primary season is upon us though. Right. We're in the 2008 primaries and kind of at the beginning, the Iowa caucus has happened. Oh, yeah. So we just had the New Hampshire primary. Okay. And that will become the focus of this episode. Right. Right. It's madness. It's absolute madness. I'm excited. We all remember where we were when the New Hampshire primary of 2008 happened. I don't think we do. I think some people have some memories of it, but they've also forgotten them. And now we will

reawaken those memories. Here's where the episode starts off. The big national debate for the last two days, I didn't talk about it once yesterday but everybody wants to talk about it. Hillary cried and they're having debates about was it real. The neo-conversing, oh yes it's real, she thought she was going to lose so she cried. This is a woman who goes to Kentucky and goes, how are you? Good day to you. She comes to Texas and she talks like this. They put videos together online of four or five different fake accents. She'll go to England and adopt an Atlantic or you know

Eastern. Oh, Buffy. Type thirst and hell. Of course it's fake. Why do you obsess on things like that that don't matter? It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. Wait. So the point of this is not that she changes her accent. No, but he likes doing voices. So I think that's right. So the point is you shouldn't care about this thing that I just spent quite a while talking about. Yeah. The point is that she does this fake shit like these accents. So obviously she's faking the crying but also who cares. Right. Fine. Okay. So this was a pretty big deal in the 2008 primary season in January when Hillary Clinton

didn't cry but welled up a tiny bit when answering questions at an undecided voters meeting. She was asked how she keeps going on the campaign trail and she said it was hard but she loved the country and while answering she looked like she was expressing some real emotion. This was notable because the press liked to characterize Hillary as a heartless robot type, in no small part thanks to the inherent misogyny that ran under media coverage back then, and to a lesser extent still. If Hillary showed normal human emotion, she would be branded as too emotional to lead on account of her irrational femininity. Conversely, if she showed no emotion, she was a calculating power-hungry machine with ice water in her veins.

Basically, the media had a negative way to frame her actions no matter how she acted. After this incident in 2008, Hillary pulled out an unexpected win in the New Hampshire primary, largely due to a surge in women voters turning out. The polling about this primary was all over the place, and part of the reason was the chaotic beginning to both the campaigns for Obama and for Hillary. Hillary was the presumptive favorite before the primary started and was polling way ahead. Then Obama won the Iowa caucuses and Hillary came in third behind Obama and John Edward. Obama carried that momentum and Hillary's campaign took a huge hit in people's estimation polling numbers went way down

And this is part of what's in the background of that question She was asked at the voter meeting about how she keeps going It obviously wasn't all about her emotional moment But she overperformed in New Hampshire and the media talked about it a lot and this is part of the story Gotcha anyway The media has now made it a story that Hillary was showing emotion and people in Alex's media space have decided to argue whether she was faking it or not And like I said, I think Alex just likes doing voices. Yeah, I think she's a voice actor that Obama derailed his voice acting career That is true

Was Star Lord supposed to be Star Lord and Guardians of the Galaxy so close so close that's two million that he tossed away Oh, I'll still easily two million. Yeah. Yeah So this doesn't really matter, but this is where Alex starts things off. The rest of this will not be about Hillary. You know, when you're constructing a narrative, I think it's always a good way to start with stuff that you can throw away. Sure. Absolutely disposable. This is dipping your toe in the water. Make it useless. And I like Alex liking voices. Yeah, that's low stakes That is true. So Alex there's this there's this pre polling of the New Hampshire

Electorate and it was off right Hillary was supposed to lose She was down a number of points. Yeah, and then she ended up beating Obama by a couple points And so Alex has decided that the reason is a diable of voting machines okay they're having to spend right now nationally that okay barack obama was between ten and twenty points depending on the poll in every poll ahead of hillary and polls have always been accurate until diable gets involved and magically uh... he was winning in the areas with the 20% of areas where there wasn't

die-bold and then of course losing where there was die-bold just like the individual who's the head of the Democrats right now who I don't trust but he wasn't the anointed one. He wasn't George Bush, he wasn't John Kerry and that of course is Howard Dean and he won in New Hampshire as high as 10 points, some areas lower, some areas higher, but on average the news reported 9 to 10 points in the areas that have paper ballots, but lost by 10 points in the areas where it was die-bolt. The three-state area, 80 plus percent of the ballots are controlled by one company and one man. So if you follow, the argument Alex is making is that the reason the vote didn't match the polling is because of die-bold voting machines which naturally were used to steal the election.

This is an early run of some of the same shit Alex did about Dominion and Smartmatic in the 2020 election, so I thought it might noticeable difference in the voting patterns in areas that use optical scan technology to count votes and those that do hand counts. If this was the extent of Alex's point, then he would be correct. Researchers at William & Mary Law School did an analysis of this primary and found that Hillary got 4.3% more of the vote in machine wards, whereas Obama got 6.1% more in hand count wards. This is interesting, but it doesn't really tell us anything on its own. There are plenty of reasons that this disparity could exist other than fraud being carried out by voting machines. However, Alex doesn't work like that. There's the appearance of something that works for him,

so he jumps to the conclusion that he was already planning to report, and then he asserts it to the audience as studied fact. The William & Mary analysis went a little bit deeper and had this to say, quote, using a subset of New Hampshire wards that have similar demographic features and voting histories but differ in their vote tabulating technologies, we find no significant relationship between a wards use of vote tabulating technology and the votes or vote shares received by most of the leading candidates who competed in the 2008 New Hampshire presidential primaries.

They went on to say, quote, our results are consistent with these differences being due entirely to the fact that New Hampshire wards that use AccuVote optical scanned machines have voters with different political preferences than wards that use hand-couted paper ballots. It was a limited sample due to the requirement of finding wards that use hand-counded paper ballots. It was a limited sample due to the requirement of finding wards that could be matched, but their analysis found no reason to believe that the method of vote counting was responsible for one candidate doing better in places that counted votes one way as opposed to the other. It was a function of wards having different

political preferences. So anyway, Alex just has something that looks weird and he's found the easiest and most convenient explanation for it Which just so happens to be the one that's in line with his narratives And so that's the truth and we've proven it. It's in the white papers. It's been declassified. Yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's fun. It is I mean that is such a fun like When you when you account for variables variables that's how you learn stuff right and that's cool everybody likes learning things and that's applicable

and useful right but whenever you don't and you just have a bunch of weird ass data points that's a lot of fun it is you know like that could be crazy or it could just be like you know there's more money in places and there's more money they voted for Hillary more the places that, you know, there's more money in places and where there's more money. They voted for Hillary more. The places that are counting are usually higher population density areas and things like that. There's there are tons of different patterns that track with this totally and to not consider that is so dumb. It's my but it is it is like how we get here is not Alex's fault. It's not in a sense in this sense, right?

Everybody can hear Alex go like, oh, in one there's data machines and others there's not and there's a difference and everybody can go, well, if those two things are true and there's no other details I need to know, you are correct, sir. Yeah, Alex doesn't ask the follow up question to is there another reason why this could be the case? Right. But he pretends that what he's doing is critical thinking as opposed to what it is,

which is the absence of critical thinking. This is just taking effect and shoving it into the mold that you already have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's fun. No, in a sense, there's so much of our world that is just like ultimately coming down to people convincing you you've already critically thought and people trying to convince you to start because it's never happened before yeah yeah so Alex is

running a number of websites at this point right we got info wars yeah prison planet sure we got the Jones report do we yeah those website that he used to have I don't know if it was going in 2008 okay he had some weird thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger and how much he hated him now I Yeah, that was a website that he used to have. I don't know if it was going in 2008. OK. He had some weird thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger and how much he hated him. Now I'm in. That was during the recount. Painting show and a recall.

Personal attacks on Arnold Schwarzenegger. Those are the two things we need. And there's another website that is the Ron Paul War Room. We got a lot of emails and calls. They love war rooms. On the Ron Paul War Room last night that we confirmed. We called the people and they said, well, we're talking to county officials first before we talk to you.

Yeah, we went on your RonPaulWarRoom.com and posted that our whole family voted at this township in New Hampshire and it showed zero for Ron Paul. But now the township is telling us that don't talk to anybody. That's what they always tell you. You better go public now. And in a whole bunch of townships where they get 300 400 plus votes, not one Ron Paul over and over and over and over again. So exactly what Bev said, look for happened. There is no doubt there has been a chicanery, chicanery is a foot. I like chicanery and And people are talking to the the clerks and then the clerks are like, don't snitch. Don't snitch.

Don't tell anybody. If you see one Ron Paul vote. Don't snitch. Don't snitch. So at this point in time, Alex is running a website called the Ron Paul War Room. It's a pretty standard like WordPress blog of the time, except the users could register and then post whatever they wanted.

So there's a bunch of different authors posting various gripes about how too few people like Ron Paul. Sure. Seems like a number of them are pretty defensive about the racist stuff he published in his newsletter too, which makes sense. Apparently someone posted on there about how Paul got screwed out of some votes in New Hampshire, so Alex is all over the story. This relates to a single town called Sutton, which is going to factor heavily into this

episode, and Alex is going to hinge an elaborate conspiracy on this one town. How many people live in Sutton? It's not tiny, but it's not huge also, sort of, but it's small. It's a small town. What happened in Sutton was that a family of folks on the Ron Paul War Room noticed that they had voted for Paul, but in the media it was reported that he got zero votes in that town. There was an administrative error where the clerk had sent the media the wrong number which was corrected before the clerk even got to work the next day. It was a tiny bit of human error but because it was related

to Ron Paul whose most ardent supporters are weirdo conspiracists this became evidence that the whole election was being stolen to prevent Ron Paul from easily winning Which you would do right if people didn't just get in the way We'll get into this more as the episode goes along But that's what this is about right an administrative error that was quickly corrected in a town where Ron Paul got 31 out of 423 votes cast in the GOP primary when Alex mentions Bev there He's talking about Bev Harris who's a noted crusader against electronic voting and enthusiastic participant in what Alex is gearing up to do in this episode. She is basically a Ron Paul advocate more than she is an expert in

anything. It is a mess. Alright. Alright. So yeah. I wish and if I'm given the opportunity to recreate the universe, I don't know if I will be, but if I'm given the opportunity, recreate the universe I don't know if I will be but if I'm given the opportunity I will give a lot more weight to people when they say stuff like Can't we just not with this like that should be almost a sacrosanct like as a as a species

We should all like hold in highest regard If somebody says like can we just not do this and that should it should count for these situations oh Ron Paul didn't get two votes can we please just not do I thought you meant with this podcast no no no can we just not do this I was just not do Ron Paul I understand and you know what you know what fix it you know what it's it later but can we please just not be mad about it but you know it's interesting is at this point it's unclear the extent to which Ron Paul's actual campaign even knew about it or was activated about it. But you know what's interesting is at this point it's unclear the extent to which Ron Paul's actual campaign even knew about it or was activated about it or was mad

or was campaigning in New Hampshire at all. They were doing some campaigning. Sure. Ron Paul wanted this one. But yeah it's I would say they shouldn't but the incentive is very high very high. It's very high. So we got Bev Harris coming in. Sure. And she and Alex are going to discuss in very responsible tones as this election administrative error. Sure.

Okay, let's go to Bev Harris. Bev, break down exactly what we've seen developed here. Oh boy, I just got off the phone with the town of Sutton. Ron Paul got 31 votes, not zero. I have it confirmed from the town clerk. I asked her why the discrepancy and she said they simply failed to put the right number on the form they sent to the media. Sure, it's accidental. It doesn't matter. This is unacceptable. Shut it down. The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write

the wrong number on the form. Classic. Classic. Wait. Classic from whom? Everyone. This is how they do it. Sorry? Everyone does it. But like one example. Classic. It's not in New Hampshire. Oh never mind. You've got me. Based on Bev's reporting and based on everything else you can tell here, all that happened was that the wrong number was conveyed to the media. There's no reason to jump to the conclusion that these 31 votes were misreported in terms of official vote tallies, but that's not a detail that's getting any attention here.

All we know is that someone didn't send the right number to the media. Well, it's not because...listen, he didn't win the New Hampshire primary, we knew we wouldn't, but if the media reports that he got zero votes, then nobody's going to vote for him in the next primary. But if they report, oh, he got 31 from Sutton, that's momentum we can take. You know the old expression as goes Sutton,

as goes Sutton. 1800 people in 2024. That's the size of the town. So I mean, I do get that on some level, that like, if you that like if you're if you're gonna just say across the board, right, wipe his votes in order to demotivate the base or something. Sure. Sure. Taking 31 out of something is not. It doesn't have the same like, oh god. Really have the. That's you know, that's what we really need. Truly is like absolutely 100% real conspiracy that we all know that sounds as ridiculous in movie like as we can imagine But they lose by 31 votes. Yeah, you know

You remember that movie steal them from the swing vote exactly. It's like that. Yeah 100% true evil conspiracy that just fucking forgot to steal Sutton's votes. Fuck. Ah, we were gonna rule the world or whatever, but now I guess Obama should have president. Now Ron Paul's in office. Fuck. What did we do? Oh no. So all we really know here is that the wrong number was reported to the press and then it was corrected quickly. But in the meantime, someone who voted for Ron Paul noticed that discrepancy and alerted Alex and his associates about it. You get the strong sense that Alex is about to overreact about this. Maybe. And yeah, you're right. He is. So Alex wants the details. Give me a...

How are they? How are they details? Bev, tell me everything. That's the evil plan. Bev, this is huge breaking news. Stop, stop. This is huge breaking news. Again, tell everybody listening. The name of the township. This is just one. You see, tell everybody listening the name of the township. This is just one. Within an hour, we're going to give us all the names. This is huge breaking news.

It's the town of Sutton. Now remember, they don't do counties in New Hampshire. It's all done by townships. Township of Sutton. It's just town. It's the town of Sutton, S-U-T-T-O-N. I just got off the phone with Jennifer Call, who is the town clerk, and she confirmed that Ron Paul actually did get 31 votes, not zero. Now understand something, this is more

votes than he got or was reported to have gotten in almost every place. Yeah, the reason that Ron Paul got less votes ever is because he's very not popular. He's an old asshole who has a bit of a racist past and sports policies that are extremely far to the right for most voters He's won over a sliver of very vocal and aggressive folks on the left and right with his cool opposition to drug laws and his anti-war stance So you see this appearance of popularity online But in the real world he is not popular and it makes makes sense that he would have little, like it makes sense. Like a Sutton would have 30 people who love Rumpal, they probably hang out together, they go bowling, like these are a group of people.

Sure. Yeah, it makes sense. You notice in there that Bev Gade out this town clerk's name, which is interesting, because this all led to an awful outcome for this woman. For God's sakes. As reported in the Concord Monitor, Jennifer Call was hit with a flood of harassment right around the time this episode was airing. From the article, quote, the assault picked up after lunch.

Paul supporters began phoning Call claiming to be from the media. Others just yelled, saying she'd committed treason, fraud. One person said she should be shot. This all had a very severe effect on her. Again, from the article, quote, she went home and locked her doors. She called her mother in North Carolina. She cried.

The calls kept coming. She unhooked her answering machine and requested an unlisted number. I was drained emotionally and physically, call said. That's when I really started to freak out. Thursday it hit me that most of these people are not rational. That's when I became scared.

It's like they're calling her home phone and harassing her. It's crazy. This harassment picked up around lunch because that's when Alex's show aired when he and Bev Harris put a target on her. It's an hour later in New Hampshire, so this lines up almost perfectly. And another detail stood out from her telling of the story in the Concord Monitor. Quote, one person said he was on a nationally syndicated radio station and he's given out my phone number and they need to call the town of Sutton to find out why there's voter fraud. You imagine how many nationally syndicated radio shows

were talking about this at this immediate time? Maybe one? It seems like there's a small pool from which to, yeah. And I think that this is kind of like poorly worded. Like I don't think that she meant that Alex called her. Right, right, I understand. One person said he was on a nationally rated. One person who was talking to her about the thing

said he heard through the national, yeah. I assume that that's what this meant, being communicated. I understood, yeah. So it doesn't get much clearer cut than this. Alex needed a narrative to distract away from how unpopular Ron Paul is. so he decided to jump on this administrative error to use it as proof of voter fraud. In the process, he put a real human in the crosshairs as a person who's to blame for screwing over Paul, and she had to pay the real consequences of his actions. This dynamic exists in a lot of Alex's stories, but it's very often the case that the harm that's done is too obscure to end up being documented

Or he's vague enough to have plausible deniability that his actions didn't lead to this harassment But what happened to Jennifer call happened to a lot of people because of Alex. Yeah, it's just that this one is pretty direct Yeah Yeah, yeah It is it is strange that there's no like there's nothing to learn other than sometimes in this life in our society Yours will just get exploded for no reason. Mm-hmm. Just no no rhyme no reason your life is just exploded today Yeah, and that's a lot of times it's like You know like if you look at it in the case in this case

It's someone who's just going about their business and someone else had a different agenda and you were collateral damage to it. Yep. And that's bullshit. Yeah, the idea of like acknowledging that to a lot of the world, your personhood is non-existent. That's difficult. It's tough because you feel like you're a person

most of the time. Yeah, your experience is generally of personness. Being a person, yeah. So Bev gives out her name again and makes some accusations. We caught this because our listeners at Ron Paul War Room dot com an entire family, the parents that the out of the home, you know, 20 something year old children, all five of them went down to vote and then they watched the results and it said zero baby. And now you called the the the the town clerk. Give us her name again.

Spell it. Jennifer called C.A.L.L. Just like telephone call. Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Why is that unbelievable? The way that a hand count can be rigged is they and here's what they're doing in New Hampshire.

They have, the people are counting everything in public real nice. They fill out a form in public real nice, and then they transfer it to another form and they call that a summary sheet and that's the one they send in. And so what happened is she said that they did not transpose the number correctly

and put zero instead of 31. That is unacceptable as an answer." So they're very clearly directing the audience to miss call and they're loading them up with the accusation that whatever mistake her office made was an intentional act to rig the primary against Ron Paul. This is just overall top to bottom unacceptable behavior from both of them. And Bev is just wrong. She says that the form that Call sent out had a zero for Ron Paul, but it didn't. From the Concord Monitor article,

quote, the slot next to Paul's name on the original return sheet said 31, but a space on Call's return next to Paul's name remained blank. She didn't write in a zero. She forgot to enter a number. I know that sounds like splitting hairs, but it's not. Because writing in a zero implies some level of intent. Maybe you'd actually don't have any intent, but you could, it looks like you had to take an action. Whereas it's much easier to understand something being left blank as being an accident. Alex and Bev are incentivized to fudge

whatever details they can to make this seem more like voter fraud because their candidate sucks and they can't accept that. Because that ruins their whole thing. Yeah. Oh no, our guy sucks. Yeah, she could have hit tab twice, you know, on the spreadsheet and then missed the sell

and then 31 just got disappeared. Or it's brutal. Or if it's just by hand, it's easy to just- Totally. Pass over it. And not for nothing, it got corrected quickly, and there's no indication this went anywhere other than the media, so.

Yeah, I think it is a testament to Alex's evil and power, that it's like, God, do we really have to, we do. We have to get into the fucking weeds on 31 assholes who voted for Ron fucking Paul in an election where he lost by several hundred million. Well, the other- Several hundred million is how much Ron Paul lost by. And we're mad about 31 votes. Yeah, the other thing that is made,

the point that's made in these articles from around that time that I think is really true is like, you can fuck up like this when it's Giuliani you can fuck up like this if it's you know Romney sure but you cannot do like this with Ron Paul his audience is all conspiracy theorists right they're all paranoid weirdos right not all but you know what I mean it's it's you have to be on you have to be right every time right Right, they're gonna exploit the fuck out of it, right, and that's what you're seeing here. Yeah So Alex obviously this is grounds for a recount. We gotta we gotta do a

That is unbelievable bad Harris what needs to happen I think they need to throw all the results out now and have a recount at least in the 20% results out now and have a recount at least in the 20 percent. I think it's bad because let me tell you what else, if they have a recount it will cost Ron Paul about $67,000 and there is a problem with chain of custody. I'm sorry I've got another phone ringing but I'm going to ignore it but I'm sorry it's coming over your line if it is. No maybe breaking news, pick it up, pick it up. No, no, it's okay.

I'll tell you, I can't even get all kinds of things from all kinds of citizens who ask me. news pick it up pick it up okay now in New Hampshire we are not comfortable with the chain of custody for the recount ballot so it's a toss up whether he should spend $67,000 to get a recount because it'll draw a national attention to the cheating and then if they cheat the recount We catch them again bad. They got it. They do it. They have to do it statewide Because what because if you do a spot check recount it can be gained very easily understand Okay, so ironically Alex would end up getting that recount that he wanted Yeah, his audience help raise the money for the Paul campaign and Dennis Kucinich from the Democrat side also joined in for the call for the recount and it went down. In the GOP primary, the only result of the recount was they found one more

vote for Romney. Hey! That's it. Great. On the Democrat side, they found that there was one poll worker who had miscounted votes by hand, but resulted in both Obama and Clinton gaining votes. So ultimately the recount didn't change anything. Sure. But there was one person who messed up in a very narrow sense. I like that. And has no effect on Ron Paul. Yeah. So Alex is kind of giving up the game there a little bit. He wants a recount because it would get national attention. Right. He has to know deep down the Ron Paul sucks and that a recount isn't going to turn up a bunch of votes for him, but this is a great opportunity to grandstand and not for nothing. All attention for Ron Paul is

positive for him. Yep. They are entwined in a way that, you know, is unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, cause Ron Paul doesn't get votes so much as both of them get a advertising base, you know? I mean, Ron Paul, I think has a gold thing. Sure. But I mean, yeah, you know, it's like you're not going to accrue enough votes to do a thing, but the more people you have who would vote for you is the more people who are going to listen to Alex's show and buy his stuff and your stuff.

That's not fully true. It is nationally true. Sure. You know, Ron Paul could get elected to the House of Representatives. Sure. Locally, sure. Create enough of a base. Right.

Right. To get into an office. But in terms of nationally, absolutely not. Right. Right. It is just advertising. Right. When Alex wants national attention for Ron Paul,

he's looking for national attention for Alex. Yes. Yes. Because he's fighting a good fight. That's not why national attention for Alex. Yes. Yes. Because he's fighting a good fight. That's not why. No, it is not. No. So, uh, uh, Paul, uh, Ron Paul, uh, what about him? He got worse results from, from the machine areas. So I put together a spreadsheet and put it on the website for everyone to use to put their own results into which outlined everyone in the 250, you know, New Hampshire townships

and which voting system they used. And there is also a discrepancy. The voting machines gave him worse results than the hand counts. That's the same thing with Howard Dean, wasn't it? Yes, it is. And by the way, the discrepancy there was they gave Ron Paul about two and a half percent worse results than the hand count and they gave Hillary five percent better results than the hand count which is exactly what she beat a Barack Obama at so Alex is off there yeah Glenn beat Obama by about 2.6% he's saying that her lead matches the machine counting because he's trying to say that the

machine stole the election for Hillary. This is all very confusing because the marquee example that they have here is from Sutton, which was hand counted, so this all seems like a big mess. There's weird machine fraud conspiracies going on here, but the specific you have is a hand count. I don't fucking know. Now, bigger picture, the voting machines didn't give Ron Paul worse results than hand counts. He happened to do worse in areas that used voting machines, most likely because they were the cities and larger population centers. In more rural areas, you're more likely to have towns that use hand counting and you're more likely to find fringe-ass libertarian Paul fans. The possibility that there could be another explanation for the hand count towns versus machine tally towns

is never even considered. It's just accepted, wholly unsupported and unproven as proof that the globalists are screwing over Ron Paul using the machines. But then again, Sutton is hand counted, so the plot is muddy. Very muddy. But you should just know that everything is fucked. There's chicanery. You know, here's the fun thing, though, I will say about these people, right? And this is the hard thing, like, so with, uh, with the left, you know, with Howard Dean and that stuff, you know, Occam's razor wins out, right? Like, uh, this country hates the left. It always has. It's always going to. It hates us, right? So that's fine. It's not a conspiracy. They just hate it, right?

But with the far right and with the JBS guys, that's, it's not the same because they've had so much power in the United States for so long. So it makes sense for them a little bit to be like, I don't know, we could probably just take it. Like that's how they've done it, you know? Well, sure. And I think that even beyond that or behind that,

there is the certainty of being right. And like someone like Alex has this position that like obviously Ron Paul is right about everything and everybody likes him because he's right about everything Right, right, right. So these numbers showing terrible support for him can't possibly be right. Yeah And and see and I think I think that has us I think that has so much to do with how we view our own history like moving backwards and it's and not like just Americans but the human race how we do it is like people can't understand that it's far more reasonable for uh Ron Paul in in like the past because we have to remember that we continually losing voting electorate as we go backwards as

we go back and back and back you say oh Ron Paul's only voter base was white men and you're like ha ha He ran this country for a hundred and fifty years sure you understand so that it's reasonable sure But you have to be you have to pump the brakes Because Ron Paul isn't doing any of this stuff. No, this is Alex on Ron Paul's behalf true So I mean granted he does get a recount in New Hampshire. Jesus Christ. But why not? Yeah, but I mean yeah go for it. Alex's fans are fundraising it. Honestly, 67K isn't even that much. No. And it's not that much work. I'm sure somebody got an extra day. Maybe there's some OT involved. It's probably for the best. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But all of

the statements and all of the energy and the feeling that you know It's easy to ascribe to the Paul campaign sure is really coming out of Alex as a defecto mouthpiece for them That's true. So, you know, who's to say how much they would? You know absolutely sign off on maybe a lot maybe most you'll see so Bev has some more breaking news for Alex More breaking news. I haven't even put this on my website yet. How's down to great grief. I have a report coming to me.

Now yesterday we broke the story about this one sole source provider program in every voting machine in New Hampshire. You also broke the news that Hillary was kicking Barack Obama and Ron Paul specifically poll watchers out. Oh, this is it. That was widely reported on the internet. I was not able to confirm that because. and Ron Paul specifically, Paul Watcher's out. Oh, this is it. That was widely reported on the internet. I was not able to confirm that because

what do you think citizens need to learn? Let me stop you. The Boston Globe did report it. The Boston Globe did report it. Good, good, okay, good. Okay. So that clip reveals a weird instinct that Alex has. Yeah.

Bev says that she has exclusive news to break and instead of just letting her talk, he jumps in and tries to guess what the news is is referring to something that she allegedly posted on her website prior But she said that she hasn't even posted about this thing yet So that can't be what it is Then Alex comes up with this story about Hillary kicking Ron Paul pole watchers out which Bev says is just a rumor She can't substantiate and Alex shoots back that it was in the Boston Globe to that I say was it really was it? I think it wasn't oh, but Bev understands the game and Alex shoots back that it was in the Boston globe. To that I say, was it really? Was it?

I think it wasn't. Oh. But Bev understands the game. Alex wants this narrative put forth. She tried to protest since she can't back up the claim and Alex has asserted his dominance, indicating that he's not gonna let this go. And so she demers like, oh good.

Also she's off the hook. Like it's not her. Right, Megan any claims. Yeah, hey, if Alex wants to claim that the Boston globe made something up on his show. I've said my piece that I can't corroborate it. So whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Done and done. This is hardly the first time that she's talked to Alex though. So I have no doubt that she understands that when Alex says that something was reported in some outlet, there's no reason to assume it actually was. But when he says something

like that, you know, he's not going to budge. So you might as well just let him have his way, move forward. And like you said, there's no personal loss. Yeah. That if it turns out to not be true. I got no blood in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So anyway, she does have some big news though.

That Alex derailed. All right. You ready for this? Yes. I don't think you are. I actually agree. I think you need to sit down. Okay.

Ready for this? Sit down. Okay, go ahead. LHS associates. The firm that programmed every voting machine in New Hampshire. I have just gotten a call and I'm waiting the fact confirmation that one of the key people there has a criminal record. Oh. It's a cocaine trafficker.

Oh my God. You know, with not just that, but with complaints to the Attorney General already for election related complaints. Just like they always catch Daibold and others with convicted hackers and others. I mean, how many times have we caught hardcore crooks working inside the elections at key places? So that's Bev's big bombshell here. And you can hear that Alex is getting, you can get a giddiness from both of them really. And Alex is, he's scandalized by this news.

So LHS is the company that services many of the vote counting machines in New Hampshire and a few other states in the Northeast. Bev had gotten a tip that someone there was arrested as a cocaine trafficker. this is very relevant news considering that the big scandal they're supposed to be covering is that Ron Paul got screwed over by a hand count. Right. This all traces back to someone named Ken Hajjar who people are saying was arrested for drug possession and intent to distribute. I was able to find a blog post on this on a website

called OpEd News from January 9th, but I think that it's piggybacking on Bev's coverage because it was posted at 9.30pm, which is after this. On this blog, there's a link to what appears to be a court document that very well may be real, reflecting that Ken Hajar pled guilty to an offense listed as quote, sale slash CND in September 1987. That's 21 years before this episode was recorded. It's unclear what the precise crime was,

but it does appear that it may have been something with drugs since I think CND stands for commission on narcotic drugs. I'm not sure exactly, but if you search for that specific charge, all you get is other blogs talking about Canada drug. Yeah, that makes sense. I've found a ton of blogs talking shit about this and none of them specify what this means. But we do know that.

According to this document, he was sentenced to no more than 12 months in jail but got a deferred prosecution, meaning that if he could just not get re-arrested during the year of probation, he wouldn't do any time. This would, if, like this guy was actually a cocaine trafficker, they would not get this lenient of a sentence This is the kind of charge you get if you were someone had a little more drugs on you than the cops thought were for personal use So they decide to charge you with intent to distribute I had friends get hit with that back in the day in 87 in 87 in 87 if he had any

Crack on him. He'd be in jail forever. Sure, right, but. So he's got Coke so we know he's white. I have no idea about this guy. I don't know anything about him except for he was a sales person for this company. Yeah, you got arrested in 87. Oh my god. So now there's another problem here which is that the person who works at LHS is named Ken Hajjar but this indictment is for someone named Kananth Hajjar. It's hard to tell if this is a typo or if this is actually a different person or if that's what Ken's short for. It's entirely possible, but I can't find any indication either way. I tend to think it is a typo if it's a real document, or actually that's what his full

name is. That is entirely possible. But more importantly, I don't really care. I don't think a minor drug arrest 21 years in the past precludes someone from being able to be employed by a company that provides support for elections. A further point is that one of the other sources cited in the op ed news article claims that a jar doesn't even work on New Hampshire elections with LHS. So this seems entirely irrelevant. Even more to the point, he's in sales and marketing with the company. He's not even the person like going around and servicing these machines. This is just people grasping at straws, trying to use one person's supposed criminal record

to paint an entire company as criminal. And it's pathetic because at this point, Alex is supposed to be this libertarian opposing drug laws. He's making a big deal out of a piss at drug arrest 21 years in the past just because it's convenient for him. Yeah, this actually care. This clip is so much like this is the addict though. Like this is the addiction part. That feeling that they just... When Alex said oh my god. Oh man. Whatever he mumbled in the back.

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I knew. You know, like that is that chemical, giving you everything that you want. That is so much that dragon. We watched the documentary about American conspiracy, Danny Caesillero, that whole thing. And it is so much like, oh, you get so addicted to that feeling. It's such a rush over and over and over again that you're willing to give up everything else for it. You find whatever you're looking for behind every door.

Oh, yeah. So you know what I're looking for behind every door. Oh, yes. So you know what I'm looking for behind a door? Beth? Dev? The highway. Beth. Oh. I was a highway man.

Along the coast roads on this road. It's been a while. It has. I missed it. Red alert. Red alert, ladies and gentlemen, coast to coast, border to border. I don't care if you're in Germany and China and Mexico in the Netherlands in Africa, you're listening right now. The evidence of the fraud spread the word everywhere. It's got to go supernova on the web. If you're in Germany, you got to care about

this. The real fucking Luton Sutton I have no fucking loot. It's Sutton. Sutton, New Hampshire, baby. That's ground zero for this is our war. This is Fort Sutton. Sutton, sir. Sup, Dupter. And if you, I don't give a shit. You're in Australia.

This matters to you. You're in Brazil. This matters to you. Your water may flush the other direction, but not a democracy. I don't think it matters. I don't think so. No, it's a little bit dramatic. Yeah. But nice to hear the highway man again. It is always so good.

So Alex reports this story, re reports it right and embellishes a bit of details along the way. Last night we got the tip at Ron Paul, war room.com. We talked to the family this morning and they're saying, well, the county officials are telling us wait and only talk to them. No, no, no. Well, the good news is that Harris called that very same township, they have towns not counties there, but it's set up in the same system, the city clerk, and she said too bad

right before airtime that yes, and this is the big news, yes, 30 plus votes in that township for paul that that's just what they're saying secret they got all these people coming forward and i voted it might even be bigger how do you have accidentally is on the back of this and into the cocaine uh... trafficker and boy this is with i just got the backside secret scoop is i can be trusted

we can't say that much but this is going to this is just, it's always, it's always cocaine dealers. I thought you run the government, who runs America. But it's black ops folks. So you can see how Alex has taken this one thing and now he's speculating wildly that it's probably because there's actually more votes than that. Even we know. Yeah. He's insisting on saying 30 plus because it's fun because it's plus one. I was literally just thinking, really, you're not going to 30 plus 31 on me. Are you really going to do that? He's going to do it. Yeah. And you can see how Alex is working on incorporating the story about the cocaine dealer into this developing narrative. This is a great piece to have in play because you can weave in ideas

about the CIA running the drug trade. So maybe this guy's working for the CIA. Totally. I've seen some blogs suggesting that that's why he got a deferred sentence for his arrest, which is a convenient way for them to explain away this light sentence. Always nice. For this to work as part of the conspiracy, he needs to be moving tons of cocaine, and the punishment doesn't fit that. So there needs to be another layer of conspiracy added on top to make sure all the details

fit. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. So yeah, the narrative is taking shape. Sure. You can definitely see that. And now it's time to build. Get out your Legos. All right. What are we doing? Where are we going with this? One thing I would encourage your listeners to do is to go to the website or go to what, you know, whatever website has these results and just look at how many little townships in New Hampshire even have as many as 31 votes for Ron Paul. And that's the point.

If you wonder how much he really got. And by the way, there are 31 of townships that show zero and you'll have hundreds and hundreds of votes and he gets zero even if he's at 8% then he should get 8 out of 100 instead of zero out of 300, 500, 600 folks this stinks absolutely to the gates of heaven. So they did a recount and it turns out Ron Paul just sucks. This is all just completely unfounded speculation that Alex and Bev are engaging in. They have one example of an administrative error that they can't even prove affected official vote totals,

only the number reported to the media. From that jumping off point, they're taking all of the places where Paul performed poorly and saying, the same thing must have happened here because it's all a conspiracy against our own Paul. This is the kind of thing you should expect to see from Alex. Just utter garbage narrative building meant to push his fake reality onto the audience presented as factual research truth. What makes me mad about this whole interview is Bev is going on about how she only reports what she can prove and she's a stickler for details, but here she is saying that Ron Paul must have gotten more votes in these towns where he performed poorly. This is something that I want to point out about these folks.

For them, being a stickler for the details or only reporting what I can prove, that isn't an actual statement of policy or practice. It's a description of their brand. She markets herself as someone who's careful about this stuff, so people will take it more seriously when she says shit like, imagine how many more votes Ron Paul got. Yeah, it is. It is so much like just the more weight you put on a, oh, I won't say that means the more power you get when you say bullshit. Yeah. And that's a branding exercise more than it is anything else.

Yeah, it's not a reality thing, yeah. So let's keep building. Let's go. Another thing to look for as you're looking at the detail results is looking the ones where they say other votes. In the Democratic call, I noticed that the town of Manchester reported 570 votes of other. What is 570 people voting for other? You're guaranteed to strong fall in Barack Obama.

They have to shift it from bin to bin so it matches the number of voting people who showed up. Are you an idiot? I think maybe. A lot of places probably only list the top three or four vote getters and that leaves a ton of votes that end up getting summed up as quote other. For example, like at least 20 people got more than 10 votes in the Democratic primary and that's not even counting the 2,517 votes for right in candidates.

50 bucks says one of them is Homer Simpson. I would bet. Yeah. If you look at the New York Times coverage of the results, there are eight candidates listed, then the rest of the others are lumped in as other. But that doesn't mean that there's anything being hidden. Manchester is the most populous city in New Hampshire, so you can easily understand how there are more people there,

so more opportunities for folks to vote for less successful candidates. So just for fun, I was able to find the itemized breakdown of votes by town for the Democratic primary. It's very easy to find 500 votes that would go into the other category in Manchester. Yeah. There were 192 votes for Dennis Kucinich alone. There were 56 for Biden, 45 for Mike Gravel, 32 for Chris Dodd.

And here's the thing, you can vote for Republicans in the Democratic primary in New Hampshire. Sure. It doesn't end up affecting the Republican primary, but you can still vote for them. So John McCain got 144 votes. That'll teach him. Romney got 101 and Ron Paul got 38. Did better in the Democratic. Actually, no, I'm sorry. That's a different city. I understand what you're saying. But yes, I'm with you. So these folks that I just listed combined for 608 votes in the town of Manchester, all votes that likely would have been neatly compiled into the other category. This isn't serious behavior that Bev is displaying here. If she's someone who has any familiarity with elections, you would know that that's what's

going on, not that they're secreting away votes for Ron Paul in the other category. She's not a sincere actor in this information space. She's clearly someone who's an advocate for Ron Paul pretending to just be I can only want to report what I can to approve. It's nonsense. That is pre like Bodie McBow face levels of the internet will just name shit kind of stuff though. So I mean when you read that list of candidates, it is kind of funny how many of them are real people in retrospect because now if you're looking at like top vote getters for non-major candidates, it is going to be like fucking Furiosa. You know?

Right, right. Yeah. I think you probably would find a lot of that in the one or two vote getters. Right, in 2008. Now, what's interesting in 2008 though is there's also like a couple people Who were like listed and they're real people, but I have no idea who they are Okay, so there's some people who time has just forgotten or or it's just a guy who is like you know what I'm gonna get my message out I wish Ron Paul was someone who I looked at the name and thought who is that yeah, that would but unfortunately

That's how where we live that would be nice. But unfortunately, that's not where we live. That would be nice. So, Alex wants Bev to demand the election be thrown out. But I mean, Bev, but people really respect you, so I need you to specifically say, what is it when they admit they gave him zero and it's 31? That election's thrown out right there. That election is, look, they're always going to say it was an error. Guess what? When someone embezzles money, they always have a plausible excuse for how this and that

happen. It is not acceptable. What is their job? They have one job on election night and that is to result numbers for what? 12 candidates? That's it. Folks, you've got 350-something votes in the town and 31 of them are for Ron Paul, but they can't get that on the paper.

If Bev thinks that all the town clerk had to do on the night of the primary is that then she's a fucking idiot. She's minimizing the amount of responsibilities this person had in order to make it seem like there was Clearly a conspiracy going on here as opposed to an understandable administrative error Bev has literally zero evidence that there's anything nefarious going on But that's the line that she's going with because she's not an expert She's an advocate and Alex has some basic details wrong. He's saying there were 350 something votes in the town when there's actually 971 423 of them were in the Republican primary, but that

town held primaries for both parties on the same day. Alex is fudging the numbers a little bit to make it look like the clerk had less to do that night and to increase the proportion of votes that Ron Paul got. It's sloppy work all around, but I mean the problem here of course is that even if you are 100% correct even if this like Percentage total of of alex's which is closer to 10% so we'll we'll leave aside the 3% and we'll move it closer to 10% sure It's not a demographically representative place, but fuck it. We'll say it is It's it's not Fraud or anything like that, but fuck it. Let's get rid of all anything. Ron Paul loses by a hundred million fucking votes! Okay. Just to be clear on that.

31. Just to be clear on all of this. Okay. So look, if you missed five votes sure out of that 31, that's understandable. How is that anymore or less understandable than 30? It's not but Alex says so and I think he immediately realizes that stupid. Yeah, that makes no sense. Look, if they if they miss five out of 31, it could be believable, but all of them bad. Right. And you have to actually write a circle of zero in the spot. It doesn't matter to me if it's plausible.

I think we have to get to the point where we stop expecting excuses. What about these other towns? I guarantee you the other places he got zero, he didn't get zero. And I guarantee you those towns where it says 500 and something other I bet my bottom dollar eighty percent Of that's wrong ball and Barack Obama. What do you say, babe? Well, I can't speak to that because I am conservative and only report exactly what I can prove Stay there. We gotta play final second with that virus. He's gonna pop back in in the third hour with all the new stuff She's learned this is Armageddon

This is Armageddon. This is Armageddon. This is Armageddon. This is Armageddon. There is a there's an underappreciated thing that I I want to point out more and Alex is a bit dramatic. Oh, like, yeah, this is Armageddon is such a, like you should be, that's cringy. You should be ashamed looking back on that

and being like, well, maybe I oversold that a little. I think, here's what I think, like truly, here's what I think people have fucked up, right? Sports Talk Radio is where Alex was meant to be, you know? Like now we realize, now people realize that all sports talk radio is filled with insane people who say shit like, I bet, and then you know what, if you look at his stats, I bet 80% my bottom dollar, you know, that's all,

that's all it's for. Wrestling commentator maybe? Totally, yeah, absolutely, that's all that it's for. You're not supposed to do that for politics though. Yeah, it does, It it cheapens. Yeah. So you can hear in that clip the bullshit branding Bev is trying to hide behind this. I only say what I can prove nonsense.

She has no evidence that they wrote in a zero and reporting on this event has been clear that what happened was that the slot on that form was just left blank. Yeah. However, it's much more suspicious if someone went out of their way to write a zero. So that's what Bev is going with even though her stated policy of only reporting what you can prove get the fuck out of here Also, Alex's theory makes no sense. I would argue that it is more suspicious if you leave out five I think it's the polar opposite I I mean any any conversation about that always reminds me of like the first guy to measure

the height of Mount Everest, uh, measured it at exactly 20,000 feet and was like, well, I can't do that. So for a long, long time in textbooks, it was 20,002 feet because that made him look so fucking precise. Look at how fucking precise I am. Uh, and that's just like, what are you talking about removing five votes is going to change? What are you talking about? At least you would have 26. No, but I mean, that is your exit. That's the point. The five is the ones that

matter. Yeah, right. Well, yeah. And it's so much easier to just be like, except in a mistake of all of them. Right. And Alex is saying the opposite. The complete opposite. It's own reasonable to accept it a mistake of five if you did that mistake on purpose. And I think that the reason is because everything but what happened has to be presented as more reasonable than what actually happened. Yeah.

Because this has to be the most suspicious thing ever. And Alex kind of ends up saying stupid shit like that. Anyway, Bev was watching CNN and she saw some terrible analysis of this that really freaked her out. Okay. I was watching the CNN coverage last night and I was shocked and let me tell you the part shocked me. But there was a person with a huge pie wedge in the pie slice graph and sometimes he was beating Juliani 2 to 1 in the pie slice and they had the names of everybody except this person was the gray unnamed person. And that was Paul.

What the heck was that? That's because the computers were coming in with the real info and they had to take his name off. Look early on he was beating Juliani. Well, and they have Republican rights so they had to differentiate the red and then they just have a great huge price slice that they kept taking the camera off when it got bigger without a name on it. It's not even red.

I mean it was, and it wasn't just for a minute. This was on, this was for like an hour. How in the world do you justify not naming a person in the price life when everyone else has a name and having it a different color? It was the most blatant thing I've, I mean, it was just so visual. It was, it was really one of those things that just makes you sick. You just go on. I don't care what candidate it is, every candidate deserves to have his name in the same situation

as every other candidate. Why would you say that? Especially when he's beating, he's beating Giuliani, but they're showing his name now. Now that's where they had a chance to rig it. Sure. So I wasn't able to find this CNN coverage itself. Sure. I can't speak to this, but I would assume that maybe the pie slice that was gray was votes that are yet to come in or something like that.

There's something that explains this that Bev is either missing or intentionally misleading about. But this is this is also where you really got a you got a squint and recognize that they're arguing about him beating Giuliani. Yeah. And Giuliani not in the race. No, he was. No, he was not the front runner. No, that's what I'm saying. You had McCain and Romney who were the ones who, you know, were relevant. Yeah. And Alex is insisting that they must have gone through this elaborate of a conspiracy to keep Ron Paul out of third place. Yep.

It's just, I don't fucking know, man. Yeah, they did the same thing to Ben Carson. He was gonna, he was gonna get third or whatever it was. He got pulled. Yep. Yep. So Alex lays out the talking points here of the, you know, what the storyline is. Sure. Look, I'm gonna make it clear for new listeners.

We just proved that they gave him zero in a town where he had 31 and that's what they're saying. And there's all these other towns that show zero or 500 plus here, 200 plus there, uh, where, and we said over talking about that would make Paul a majority. We need to know who that other is. This election all needs to be thrown out put on hold now I do not want to see book you know this be a replay a bush in 2000 bed where where gore sits out or Kerry 2004 we can't have Ron Paul sit out I mean it'd be one thing if we think there's fraud and he showed double in the polls what he

actually got it's another thing when we've caught him red-handed or when we catch him with convicted traffickers running things. What? Right? What? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like Bev has what it like how would I put it? Okay can you imagine watching the Wizard of Oz? I have. Right okay now imagine watching The Wizard of Oz? I have. Right, okay, now imagine watching The Wizard of Oz and then Dorothy sees The Wizard and goes, ah, and then just runs away, end of movie. You know, like, it is so much like, oh, oh, late,

oh, listen, let me pull the curtain back, it's fine, it's TV is, I understand. It looks like it makes sense. But if you go there and you watch it, you go, oh no, these people are, oh, I got it, yeah. Like it's, it is so much like you just don't understand. You're just, it's so close to you though. You're like right up, you say hi to the wizard

and then you run away instead of like pulling the curtain back. Well, and you're intentionally misleading about the wizard. Well, I mean, after you met the wizard. And blurring details about the wizard. After you met the wizard. Making shit up about the wizard's plans. You saw that he was scary, so you ran away. But then later on, you were like, man, he wasn't that scary.

So you got to make it bigger when you tell other people. Otherwise, they're going to think you're an idiot for just running away. We've made up a story about what happened in this town, and now we're saying that it happened everywhere, and it was done by a cocaine trafficker. So we've got quite a narrative that's been built up. It's escalated pretty quick. Now my argument is that there was an administrative error that happened in this town in a very

limited sense, and it was corrected immediately. She forgot to write down yes 31. But this could not possibly have been human error. What did this city clerk, the township clerk, what did she say to you when you said how did this happen? He said it was human error. I'm sorry human error doesn't cut it. You could say human error about anything.

And it just so happened to be Ron Paul. Well, and 31... Don't they even add up the number of... Actually, in New Hampshire, they require that they do what's called a reconciliation plan. Is that true? On that form, they have to say how many people showed up and how many votes showed up. It's easier than balancing... If you're 31 off, why don't you do something?

It's easier than balancing your checkbook. Oh, it's not. This is basic arithmetic. And it's basically, we had 350 people walk in the door to vote, and we had this many votes show up. There's no use for this kind of stuff. And the question then becomes how many other places... How many other places? This is what someone who can only only reports what they

can prove would be talking like this is someone who's real just by the books, very serious and careful. I think that this, she actually brings up a good point and that there probably are pretty good internal mechanisms in terms of balancing vote counts. And that would be what is sent to the official numbers. There may not be these Byzantine double check things in numbers that get sent to the media. They might just make a copy of the forms and whatever and

send it off to the media to report on. It's more about speed than it is about accuracy to the media. Right. So this to me is even like cut more of an indication that it probably was just these numbers that got sent to the media. Yeah. And they're pretending like it was an actual vote theft or whatever. That's just, I don't know. It's a, it's dirty. I mean, you know, like part of my argument so much often comes down to like, I understand all the reasons that it's not true, but follow me on the path to it is true. Are you telling me these all powerful people

stole 31 votes from Sutton? What are they doing? Right. What are they doing on the daily? Like how do you have time to destroy the world and get to Sutton? And they had to then cover their tracks and make the recount appear that they didn't steal anything from anywhere else or they only stole from

Sutton. It's yeah, it's just believing any of this is real creates a whole bunch of really bizarre avenues. Truly like the ultimate argument so often for people should really come down to like, people are more likely to take the path of least resistance and the more power you have, the more people love giving you the path of least resistance, the more you get gift bags just for showing up places, you know? Like everything about the more power you have

should be more about how people go, I'm gonna do less work. I'm not going to do this insane thing like go to Sutton. Broke people go to Sutton. People trying to build shit go to Sutton. Or people like Alex and Bev go there to exploit a mistake that was made. The type of person who's trying to get national attention for a thing that doesn't normally get national attention right? So you and you're talking about the people with power you're talking about the imagined Globalists they are the they would it it makes yeah, yeah

It's I appreciate trying to bring some thought into it Yeah, it's just you know in the real world her ideas aren't persuasive No, they are not they fall apart You know in the real world her ideas aren't persuasive. No, they are not they fall apart Whether you look at it from a critical lens or if you look at it from the why would the globalist do this lens no matter what? But she's always so Specific when she says she only says things that she can verify right it's a good brand Yeah, but look I find her argument on persuasive, but there's another reason why I'm probably saying what I'm saying Okay, that's that I'm a coward.

No, that's not true. I mean, we just have a mafia running things, and it's time for the public to come to grips with this, Bev. Yeah, I think what the biggest thing I see is it's a scary concept that a lot of people rejected outright and just, I can't think about that. You know, they just feel like, because you know what, it's the the one way road, Alex, once you see it, you never turn back. You know, nothing ever fools you again. Now, now some people will say, well, then why vote? We have to engage this process and watch it so we can expose it. Look, in five years, the majority of Americans in major

polls, 85 plus percent, believers fraud now by the government and by the corporations. Well, soon it's going to be 99% and soon we're going to go arrest all these people. It sounds just like the present day there. You know, everyone's waking up. That one's really everyone's waking up and soon just a few more people. Once they wake up, it'll be game over for the globalists and the Patriots can arrest these crooks. It's always the same story. We're always almost there. We're winning and losing simultaneously. It's, uh, yeah, right around the corner, right around the corner. All we need to do is get my show out to more people and that will wake up more people to the point where we get to the amount

of people woken up that we need in order to defeat the devil. You know, the more I think about it, the more I prefer the globalists who steal votes from Sutton to run the things than all the stuff we have now. Because that's such a personal touch. You know, like they're going to, I mean, here, you know they're sending some ass, like some flunky. I disagree.

Some flunky. In the real world, there's a Biden surrogate going to steal votes But in this world, it's the globalists themselves. See I like it I disagree with liking this because it leads me to believe that we have Fully incompetent globalists true that are in charge sure because if anyone wanted to steal shit You'd have to have like three or four votes there. Yeah. So anybody who is like, I voted for them, you couldn't, you wouldn't be able to do it.

If you have zero, then all you have to have is one person who says I voted for them and the whole thing falls apart. If you're stealing it, you got to have a couple of votes. No, and we just, it's just like, we know how people steal these elections with like the dictators and shit. You win like 95% and then you publicly murder the guy who ran against you Somebody else did it no idea. Yeah, so Bev takes her leave and Alex Ways some time and then gets to some calls sure And we get a familiar face and friend call in

to chime in. All right. Let's go to Charles and Louisiana then Jason. Charles, you're on the air my friend. Go ahead. Mr. Jones. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'd like to know something. I always agree with you and everything, but I'm starting to wonder about Ron Paul not making a gripe. Why isn't he really getting more forceful about this? People's got faith in him. He needs to start griping about this a lot more. I'll bring this to the fore. Well,

I mean, the New Hampshire's only been over for 12 hours. So they're studying it. They got to be careful. They got to analyze. Yeah, they gotta be careful. Old gentleman, the gentleman from Louisiana Charles. I he's worried that Ron Paul is not aggressive enough. I think all conspiracy sound more believable with a Cajun accent. Yep. A little more palatable. Yeah.

It's a fun accent. Why is he doing that? I don't know, man. I don't know. Tell me more. I'm worried he's not making a grade. Me too now. I don't know why, but me too.

So Alex, one of the things that you always see when he's developing a narrative more or less in real time is you'll see constant repetition of the thing in order to beat out the little touch points along the way. And so here is another one of these. Ron Paul openly, at every level, was cheated in New Hampshire, not just his poll numbers being double what he actually got, not just that he got in dozens of Township zero votes, not just that they show 500, 600, 200, 300 uncounted votes or other, not just that they took his name off the pie chart on CNN. We have a major township saying that he got zero votes. Witnesses came forward and said, we voted for him.

And they said, okay, there are a bunch of votes for him. Caught red handed, it just went up on prisonplanet.com right now. So there's some points here. Ron Paul's poll numbers were artificially high because Alex is going off things like online polling polling which severely exaggerated Paul's real world popularity. He was very popular with people who were too online in 2008 but that didn't translate to actual voters.

Pretty much across the board you were going to see him fall well short of that polling which isn't proof of him being screwed. It's really more a warning about putting too much stock in polls. Particularly online ones. Also Paul getting zero votes in some towns is not evidence that he got screwed. This town Sutton is in Merrimack County and in that county there are a bunch of towns where Alan Key's got zero votes. Does that mean he was screwed? Even Giuliani and Huckabee had towns where they got zero votes, but none of that's indicative of votes being stolen.

That 500 votes that Bev brought up weren't uncounted votes. They were just for candidates who were below the threshold of whatever the outlet she was looking at chose to report. Alex is pretending they're just mystery votes that probably all say Ron Paul, which is, you know, they're just refusing to count them. That's a complete fiction. There's no evidence that slice of the pie chart that Bev brought up was actually Ron Paul. Alex has decided that it is because that works for him, but there's no basis for this. And God bless it, but Sutton is not a major township. It's a small town and they made an administrative error reporting the results to the media. You can see the difference between the way Alex reports this story and the actual details

of what happened. He fudges every bit of information he can so it'll fit the predetermined narrative which is that the globalist screwed Ron Paul and they caught him red-handed It's as flimsy as a narrative can get and the real tragedy is that in order to sell this to the audience you need to demonize innocent bystanders like Jennifer call and That's just the the cost of doing business for Alex. Yeah. Yeah, it is it is like when you when you work it out It's like a problem of stakes and of access like if they're If there was just a way to like contain the damage, you know, like, because there's a certain amount of this that is like, people are going to gravitate this to this type of thing for fun.

Alex's content. Yeah. Yeah. Even if even if they aren't like obsessed with it and the number of people who gravitate to it, whether or not they're there for fun or for dastardly deeds, the larger the number, the more power the thing has, right? So the people who are there for fun are contributing to that. It's unfortunate, but that's the case.

In theory, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if we could just get a safe place, if we could get like a playground for it, you know? Like if we could get like a football, it you know like if we could get like a a football you know like instead of fighting shitty battles you know people play football you know like you get one of those for I understand that you know I think that like okay let's say you can listen to Alex but then you don't get to have a phone so you can't harass people right that's just

that's trouble that one's trouble that one's gonna be tell and then you can't have like okay you can do this but you're not allowed to call people. Totally. Because then you're like, okay, that's a conspiracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just, there's no way to do it. Well, it's because I think we all now spend so much time, and you have to be aware that you're spending time visiting non-reality. We're all spending so much time visiting it through whatever medium we choose to. And this is one of them that I don't wanna be like,

oh, well, you can't go to non-reality like that you know that's that's bullshit but at the same time you like you can't bring non-reality here man that's not where it's supposed to go. This non-reality when it intersects with reality reality often leads to people getting hurt. It does. And that is unfortunate. Yeah we gotta find a way to. In a way that a lot of other unreality doesn't like video games totally reality TV or whatever

Yep So Alex as a guest that he was gonna talk to for longer on this episode But he got bumped because of the the biggest of the excitement. Yes 31 votes being missing from something right? This is Armageddon. So this this person gets a short shrift Now before we go to our guest who is a Vietnam vet himself, he was acting medic there when their medic got killed in Vietnam. Had a lot of experience there. You know I know a lot of middle class people, I even know quite a few wealthy people.

And all the time I hear about their sister, their brother, their cousin or them, their child falls off a jungle gym in front of 20 witnesses, breaks a finger, falls out of the tree, falls out of the jungle jam in the backyard or the playhouse, breaks a toe, breaks a foot, my mother broke her arm, I broke bones falling out of trees, my mother would have been CPS back in the 50s, gone forever. And I talked to them, I mean folks here in Austin your child bruises their eye your child they come to school follow up the skateboard when they're 10 CPS is coming your child tells them I fell off my skateboard they don't care when I dislocated

my shoulder when I was like 12 wrestling in a pool you know chicken fighting on somebody's shoulders my dad is a dentist oral surgeon he said I'm taking you to Mesquite to go to the hospital. Now they're going to ask you how this happened. Be very careful and tell them that I didn't do this. I thought, why are you telling me that? Just give me the hospital. Sure enough, doctor comes in.

Did your parents do this to you? And I said, no, it happened in the pool. How did it happen? It's a secret police nation of scum. It's a deeply upsetting story about Alex's dad. Yeah, I don't want to hear that again. No, no. I broke my arm when I was a kid and my parents

are just worried if I was okay, not about what I would tell the doctor. It seems like a really messed up thing to do to a kid to say that, and it does not make Alex's dad look good. No, it kind of explains things moving from that moment forward. Not to happen.

And then from this moment backward. Yeah, it's just weird. It's just very weird headspace. What a, yeah, I've broken so many bones through so many different avenues and at no point in time where my parents ever concerned. Don't bring me into this. About, yeah, it was always like,

I mean, at the worst, it was like, ah, Jesus, who knows if this doctor's any good. You know, like that was about as bad as it got. Or is going to be expensive. Yeah this is going to be expensive was number one. Yeah so about everything you can tell that this was a this this guest is going to be an issue around one of these topics. As it turns out it's a guy named Tom Shefflett who had his kid taken but then returned almost immediately after they took him to the hospital. So I'm going to shut up now and go to our guest. But his son was hanging on his sister's car. She drove into the exact same type of things with cousins and people got a little bruise, CPS comes and they swat team them everything else here to break this down. This

is out of Newcastle, Colorado is the father, Tom Shlett. And Tom, thanks for coming on with us, sir. You're welcome. So this is a situation where Tom's 11-year-old son fell after grabbing the handle of a moving car and hit his head pretty good. Someone in the mobile home park where they lived called an ambulance and Tom was resistant to their wishes to check the child out. Sure. Tom was a medic in the Vietnam War after all, so his position was that he could be his doctor,

the son's doctor just fine. His unwillingness to allow the paramedics to check on his son prompted the Department of Social Services to do a wellness check because not letting them examine his son could be a red flag for abuse. It makes total sense why they could interpret things this way. It would almost be negligent not to check.

The social services people were able to briefly examine the child, but when they wanted to take him to the hospital to get checked out, Tom refused. There were real concerns here. This kid hit his head. There could be serious trauma that absolutely can't be handled in a home hospital situation. And here's where things got a little bit out of hand. Having received a court order, the police police all hazards response team showed up and took the child into the hospital for testing against the parents' wishes. That level of forcefulness is a bit much, but you can also understand their reasoning. If this kid did have brain trauma from the fall and Tom was refusing to get him help,

that's negligent abuse. Ultimately, they ran tests and found out that the kid was okay, just needed painkillers and an ice pack. In the end, that's the best possible outcome. But unfortunately, it also makes the fact that they did this whole raid thing in order to get the kid help seem pointless. Without getting the kid checked, there was no way to know if it was okay to assume that the kid was going to be okay and just needed home care. It's pretty easy to understand the state's motivation here, but I will grant that it doesn't seem like it was handled the best way it possibly could have.

From the police side, they said that they told him, they informed him that they had like a warrant and a court order for the kid to go to the hospital and he ignored it. He says that they never told him that they had that, but I don't know, this guy seems like an asshole. So I'm not sure I believe his side. It is a mess and I don't know all the specifics about this situation but you know at the end of the day the kid was

returned after being checked out at the hospital and it's not like there was more harm done necessarily yeah so Tom he has a bit of a demand for lawmakers sure I was told that if I did this interview i can have a certain uh... few minutes here i want to challenge uh... the presidential nomadies all of them i wanted that if they don't hear this and if they're a team there and there are

committees don't pick up there that's their fault but i want to challenge them whoever president, whoever becomes president of this nation to represent this people and protect this country, I want to stand on my door shaking my hand telling me that I am going to do everything I can to redress laws that do not protect you. And then I'm going to be waiting for that person, that president. I'm going to be waiting for him to do that. And I want him to know that all America is

going to be watching. Well, I'll tell you this, we're going to have to do it ourselves, sir. We're going to have to expose it. And a lot of these social workers are bad. Well, you guys are the ones that vote for the president. So do it yourself. Wait, well, that's what we're talking about, sir. There is no election now. Nobody's helped me yet. Nobody's helped me yet. It's all stage sir. It's all stage. But listen, I'm just trying here with you to expose it. It's the exposure

that has the effect and the point is it's been exposed. Yeah. So you kind of get the sense there maybe Tom's a bit of an asshole. Yeah. Also in the interview he said that he was previously arrested for assault with a deadly weapon, which may have something to do with the police response. Why? I don't know. But when Alex says there is telling, he's condescending to this guy about how the presidential election is all staged. Alex enters his coverage of the election with that conclusion firmly in mind, so obviously everything he finds is going to be evidence of that staging. The situation in New Hampshire can't just be an error because that doesn't comport with the overarching storyline,

which is that everything is staged. The narrative is set from the jump. Everything is staged except what Ron Paul does. Ron Paul is the most popular candidate, and that scares the globalists. So all the staging will be done to impede his otherwise inevitable win. All news is filtered through that lens, and that's how we end up getting here. Yeah. So this guy is not on for very long. But after he leaves, we get another reframing of the Sutton story. And you can see sort of the tweaks that are going along as Alex

builds the narrative. We get contacted by great listeners at RonPaulWarrior.com. They tell us, hey, the family voted and then it showed zero. We went and noticed last night and this morning all these towns, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, you'd have 500 votes, 300 votes, 400 votes, thousands of votes, 3,000 votes. It showed 500 other. Wouldn't say who it was. Definitely Paul and Obama. 200 other, 400 other, 600 other four hundred other six hundred other two hundred other hundred other fifty other daylight calm and we call that there is called right before our time

the first town she calls they say all the other was a mistake he got thirty one we're gonna change that in all the the maps, that suddenly changes. What about the other towns?" So there's some very important tweaks that Alex has made to this story as he works on it in preparation to take some more calls. The first is incorporating the idea that Bev brought up about the votes listed as other. She gave an infantile misrepresentation of that and now Alex has woven it into his review of all these towns in New Hampshire. All these places with all these votes for other. Those are definitely Ron Paul in the GOP primary and Obama in the Democrat one. Obama he

doesn't really actually like or anything he's just it's sort of yeah it's the cudgel that he uses from the other side. January 2008 is a great time for a racist to call everybody else racist. It was the best. I don't think that's the case for Alex. I think he just hates Hillary. Oh, no, no, I know. But I mean, that's what that's kind of what I'm saying is like that because you can be like, oh, yeah, I hate Hillary so much, I can passively come off as supporting a black candidate for president.

I'm amazing. Sure. I'm the least racist person ever. So the second misrepresentation in there is that Sutton was the first town that Bev called It's not so much as to as the first it's just that it's the only town they called because it's the only one where this error happened You may notice that there isn't a second town that's been contacted where Paul got screwed Which should be so easy to find if what Alex is saying is true That's because all of this, everything that Bev and Alex are doing in this episode is

in service of turning this very small administrative error into proof of statewide and honestly national voter fraud meant to take out Ron Paul. It's a desperate charade and the evidence they're presenting is weak. It is weak and that's why you need to keep building on other layers of this conspiracy, other other side support. So let's say we've got Sutton had 900 total votes odd, something like that, right? So adult population wise, let's call it a town of 3000. Let's just do that.

It's about 2000. Whatever. Let's do that. So if we spread that out, total population of the United States call every town roughly that divide by the number of people. There should be several hundred thousand towns where you can find 31 votes missing. Uh huh. Yeah. Well, it shouldn't be hard. Oh yeah. But I mean look sure. But the New Hampshire primaries the only one that's happened other than the Iowa caucus So at this point you only have that state

But there are plenty of places that Alex has said that there were zero votes for on Paul So all of those you should be able to buy this point Bev's been off the air for a while You should have dug up another one well, but even then New Hampshire is even okay, so fine New Hampshire is a small state But there's 31 votes is a small number of votes compared to a large state, you know state Well, even a small let's let's be also clear. Yeah, you don't even need to find 31 You need to find one and Alex hasn't done that is true. So here we are Well, I mean, you know, you could find five or seven that'll must be less suspicious totally so

Alex I found this very strange. He starts covering a news story, but it's an Info Wars article about the interview he did earlier in this episode. With Beth. Yes. Vote fraud expert, Bev Harris contacted the head clerk in Sutton, Jennifer Call, who was forced to admit that they had reported zero. See, they did report zero. We need to add that by the way. Who was forced to admit that 31 votes for Ron Paul were completely omitted from the final report sheet claiming human error was responsible for the mistake and it was all over the state too, wasn't it? Was it? I mean, he get 25% in a few areas, 30% in a few. That's where they didn't have to fix him. Two or three votes not counted

could be a plausible mistake, but 31 votes for one candidate and showing zero. The classic method for rigging a hand count is to write the wrong number on the form Harris called Alex Jones showed. They are continuing everything, they're counting everything in public real nice, but fill out a form in public real nice and then they transfer it to another form and they call that a summary sheet And then that is the one they send in. So you have a showing 31 votes. I don't believe that was probably probably a 50%. And then magically it's so magically it's zero explained Harris. Hey dude, we heard it. It was earlier on this show. Yeah. What are you doing? Yeah, those quotes from Bev are from this episode.

That's fucking. It's almost like you're high. That is classic. I'm hallucinating. Like straight up, this stack is small, make some copies. All right. Like, okay. Well, here's what we've got for proof.

We've got a recording of this conversation. No, no, no, you're wrong. We have a recording and a transcript of that recording. We have two things. Now you say there's only one thing, but you have mistaken that, because now we have a recording and a transcript and us talking about it, that's three things.

That's a second hand source. Holy shit. You remember this, see, look at us, we've got so much evidence. I have buried in evidence here. Of preponderance of evidence, if you will. Yeah, I mean, I understand. That's how we got to the Iraq War.

That's honestly exactly the motivation behind what Alex is doing. Creating the appearance of this large amount of evidence when there's nothing. There's nothing happening here. You're full of shit. So I think that maybe there are some Ron Paul supporters who think Alex is an asshole.

And I think that some of them rightly yeah, think that he gives Ron Paul a bad name now Ron Paul also gives himself a bad name He's doing a Lord's job, but Alex still makes him look crazy Sure, and I think that Alex is not appreciative that some of these websites say that he's a little much. Oh, yeah I got emails people thinking I'm arrogant, or Daily Paul has big discussions about am I arrogant? I'm upset. I'm in like, pick up, you know, chairs and throw them through window mode.

I take it real serious when criminals are stealing our elections. And you hear me get up there and you think I'm putting on a macho man Randy Savage act. This is how I actually feel. Okay? Okay, I'm mad. Okay. I'm you should be mad too. Yeah, hear me daily Paul I think I think what is funny about that is that that's one of the few times that I that Alex has said something that I've Directly like yeah, I know how you feel buddy. Hmm when people are like you should calm down like, yeah, I know how you feel, buddy. Hmm. When people are like, you should calm down.

Yeah, it's like, hey, listen, Alex is full of shit. Unfortunately, this is who I am. I am so sorry. I apologize to all of you. I, I, I disagree though, because I think that you actually are what you are. Whereas Alex is obviously putting on an act. Right.

He's putting on bullshit. And I like, I, I, so often I'm just like, God, guys, you are way last. You're way behind in the line for wish and I was different. Don't you worry about that. Right. We're missing the forest for the trees here though. Right, right, right.

And that is that Ron Paul, Daily Paul, they're talking shit about Alex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saying he's irrational of putting one on. And I was surprised by this. Yeah. Because I you know you think that you know Alex has Ron Paul on the show pretty consistently. They're pretty connected. Alex even started standing his son.

Yeah. So like, you forget that there's probably some division in the ranks. There is this part of the Ron Paul base. It's like Alex sucks. And this is what makes Alex really mad. And so when he comes back from break, he descends into a bit of a tirade. You got mob bosses, like literally his dad and his uncle, both mob bosses, time for armed robbery, made men, Giuliani. Trump's lawyer. You got mob bosses ready for president now

we are ruled by scum and i am you understand how dangerous this is the people running things of the grand sons and sons of people to kill two hundred mill they don't play games they're coming for you and your family well it's a little extreme. He gets a little upset. He goes, what are we supposed to do? It's the fact that we're not upset that this stuff

hasn't changed. I am getting mad. Hold on. I just started thinking about it. They're all mob bosses, they're coke dealers, they're Chinese generals, they're espionage, they're deputy directors of the CIA and they're poisoning this and going after our guns and grabbing our kids and just having their way with us. You got this cowardly chicken neck public trained to just go along with all of it. And then you got Ron Paul all over New Hampshire. It was last night, it was 0000, look, thousands of votes, hundreds of votes in these towns, 0000, 0000, 0000, 0000 for Ron Paul. That ain't happening. That's bull. Period. It means we're in a dictatorship if they get away with this.

A dictatorship of a bunch of arrogant criminals that need to be defeated. You understand it's either us or them. You understand with a historical paradigm that if they continue to grow and they continue to expand their operation, it's going to get really bad. My back's against the wall. I just happened to know it. You haven't figured it out yet. And I pray every day you'll figure out that your back is against the wall. These criminals have gotten high tech. They're building high tech control grids all around us to micromanagers and controllers because they got such bad stuff playing for

us. They know we're going to go absolutely ape. We got to go ape before they're done putting the grid in. I'm not risking my life to play tiddlywinks. I'm not on this show to play games with you. Do you understand me? It is a... It's gonna be okay, bud. No, he's not. He's not. The Ron Paul, the Daily Paul, has said he's too much. And he must demonstrate that I am not too much by being too much. Yeah, yeah. And he must demonstrate that I am not too much by being too much. Yeah. Yeah So that's the kind of 2008 level freak out though

It's interesting because he almost goes into like breathing exercises. Yeah, instead of storming offset or yeah swearing or anything he just he's He's like the Hulk trying to soothe himself There is there is a level of of like you did actually make yourself mad. But you don't realize that it's not because of the globalists. It's because somebody was mean to you. At least you think they were. Yes, whatever it is, it's you, it's in your head

and you're making your own problems. Right, right, right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Alex keeps ranting a little bit after he captures his breath. Sure. And he descends into a little bit of fantasies of violence about the chicken next that's nice and then there's breaking news oh okay and don't think if ron paul loses and gets cheated that we lose we're showing everybody the fraud we're educating everybody we're growing our movement chicken necks and we're that much closer to getting our hands around

your throat you understand me because there's some of us that love life and are willing to fight for it. And there's some of us that haven't been domesticated. And there's some of us that knew an enemy. An enemy is somebody who's out to get you folks and there's a lot of people out to get us and I take this deadly serious. That's why I get so mad. It's very real for me. And even if you don't know how real it is, it's still real.

Just like you don't know a bus is coming 60 miles an hour down the road. But nevertheless, it's coming. Why don't you turn around and see it coming so you can step out of the way? New developments? What is going on here? 9-11, 9-11, 9.11, 3 counties. He got 9.11 in 3 counties. They throw it in our face, don't they?

I'm sorry, what? Those little numeral- they love- Hold on. ...the numeral of numerality. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Are you telling me that somebody is saying that he got 9.11 votes? Yeah in three 9.11% of the vote right yeah, right three of the towns of 200 something towns. Oh for God's sake All right now here's what you be gone Here's what's great about this clip is that it also included Alex saying I take this deadly series. I love it I love it. Oh my god to throwing it in our face with these numbers. I mean the man, the man just hears 9 11 9 11 9 11. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, you know, it's just it's

it's it makes you sad. It makes you sad how obvious they are. Right. You know, it's it's they're laughing at you. It's in your face. It's like they make me feel so small right and they are real It's definitely not in my own head. Yeah, I mean there are probably places he got 6.9 percent Yeah for 20 percent right definitely some of those 3.11 just to make Alex mad because he hates 311 311. Hey Again, I agree with him 7.11. That's promotional. That was paid for by 711. Well, that's actually a reference to Zach Alfenakis's joke about terrorists who, yeah, they mistook that. See, they

mixed up their nines and their sevens. Sure. So Bev does come back and it's uneventful. She doesn't have anything else She doesn't have any breaking news that she got from fucking Sutton 2. No No, there's Sutton 2 Furious. There is no second Sutton. Hmm. And really the rest of anything is just kind of like a repetition of these themes that have already been developed. Yeah. So you may as well just jump off here. It's as good a point as any to leave as the the 9-11 numerology votes I I appreciate that not only did they Do a thing then write a thing about the thing then read the thing on the air about the thing that they did that is pretty

Remarkable that's that speed. I'll give them that but then to have them back on to redo the thing that they already did that they rewrote that then they talked about on the thing that then they talked about again on the thing well here's what here's where it's a little bit less impressive okay Paul Joseph Watson wrote that article so like it was somebody else third party for them I imagine Alex was typing yeah I would like to see that that would like Alex during the breaks to be More respect from me infinitely more respect if he's writing articles in five minutes in between the yeah, yeah so

You know I Was doing the show preps and I think you can probably agree this wouldn't have been the best as a live episode But it is something that I didn't want to let get in the shuffle. No, I agree. There is something really remarkable about how little evidence Alex requires to write a grand story about voter fraud. And it's been that way for a long time. Like the 2020 election is no anomaly for him. No. It's just that everyone else is taking this more seriously and the candidate is unhinged

enough to play into all of these conspiracies and cater to that community. So we're left in a far more precarious situation. If Ron Paul, well, there's a lot of ifs there. If Ron Paul had the level of support that Trump has and played along with Alex's games and these kinds of voter fraud things, we might have been in a much different situation earlier on in the country. I think one of the most interesting things about Alex on today's episode is that he said something that contradicts everything he said, which is like, we have to deal with this now,

you know, before. Because he's, we're, we're so often- We have to go ape now before. Yeah, we're so often obsessed with like, when does the shooting start? You know, he gets those calls all the time now, when does the shooting start? And Alex has inadvertently revealed something that is true, which is that if anything,

if any of what he said is true, then you should go ape before shit starts going off. Right. Because once shit starts going off, it's too late. Well, I mean, it's the entire premise of the idea of the prison planet, is the reason you don't want a one-world government is because there's nowhere else to go then.

You got it. So you have to destroy the one-world government before it happens, and you end up in a prison planet where you can't stop it. And yeah, I mean, that is underneath all of Alex's rhetoric, but the conclusion that you draw from it, this idea that like you gotta start shooting before before it's too late is an unfortunate parallel. It is underneath what Alex is talking about, but it's the part of it that you never talk about.

Right. I mean, because what Alex, realistically, what Alex should be doing if you're Alex, trying to believe what you believe and still exist in reality is be like guys if we behave extreme now before violence kicks off if we don't be violent but we still do the stuff you know then we cannot be violent if we react strong and handle the problem now before it gets out of control then we don't have to do violence instead he's just like listen, they're gonna get us to the point where we get to do some violence. So let's just hang back. Sooner or later, somebody will pull the trigger

and then we get to go wipe shit. Well, I think that's what a lot of people in the audience are probably subconsciously or consciously drawn towards. And that's what Trump is. Trump is the, hey, now we get to shoot. That's the idea. Maybe, hopefully not.

So, you know, you get this glimpse here that there's a consistency in terms of this. My person is more popular and the only reason that reality doesn't reflect that is because someone's stealing it and they're cheating and rigging. So anyway, we'll be back for another episode, but until then, we have a website. And do we do it's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep, we're also on Blue Sky. We are on Blue Sky. It's Knowledge Fight. Yep, we'll be back. But until then,

I'm Neo, Leo, I'm DZX Clark. When I get to this point, I always realize that there's something that I could have done. And in this point, I could have found what the number one song on the Billboard charts was on this day in history and then boop boop boop it. That would be great. But I didn't do that. Maybe next time. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robot.

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