Knowledge Fight - #913: March 26, 2024

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to take in Alex's take on the collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge, including a guest appearance by Gen. Flynn and phone calls from people who work on boats.

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I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, damn. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of slain and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy? Why don't you go first? My bright spot is it was our anniversary on Monday As everybody recalls right we we went to we actually did something. Oh, and we went to a spa what yes

We actually did something. Oh, we went to a spa what yes They called it a spa, but it's really a bath house. I thought you said spot no no spa. Okay. It was a bath house in Chicago We're not bath house people right what we found out. We're not bath house people. We're not massage people It makes me feel uncomfortable. It's not a pleasurable experience. Sure. I mean, what is it? Just a place that's a lot of showers around, it's all wet? Yeah. I mean, it doesn't sound so terrible. It's a bunch of pools with different levels of heated water. Some of them have more salt. And other people sitting in them, I assume.

Oh, you better believe it. Hanging around. Absolutely. Saunas with smells. Aromatherapy. Yeah, uh-huh there's one there's a pool that's really cold mm-hmm that'll teach you sure I mean you gotta gotta shock the system a little bit absolutely right um so was it I mean like what did you get massages or like what that was that so it was like that's what I'm picturing yeah yeah we got we got this uh obviously it was an anniversary thing you so it was like... That's what I'm picturing too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got this, obviously it was an anniversary thing, you know?

It was like, it's how we do things. They bring out the rose petals. It's a taste of the bourgeois for the poor. Sure. That kind of thing, right? And I just want to burn down the bourgeois, that's it. Well, you're not going to be able to because there's water everywhere. I mean, that's the problem.

Also, quiet. Couldn't talk loud, had to whisper. I was almost kicked out the moment. They saw me yeah, they were like I feel you in the ether I think that's good though probably because I mean I think everything else is aimed towards relaxation And you screaming probably to do so to that But people would have a good time if you just screamed at them while they were in the cold water That's what they want that's probably therapeutic I think so I think so stress yeah sure how about you? Um I did not go to a spa. Oh, no no, but the that HBO documentary came out the Alex Jones indeed yeah, and I got to gave it a watch yeah, and I think it does a good job good

Yeah, that's really cool I think that a lot of the times we you can rely on us for salty criticism of things and no I think I think I came away from it with a lot of like oh that that told the story and a compelling way That I think is emotionally impactful And yeah, I think it's good. That's awesome. Should enjoy. That's great. I haven't seen it. There's a part of me that just doesn't want to see it. Like I was there, you know, like there's a part of me and then there's also the part of me that's like, I don't know, after having met some people and the, you know, that I don't

know if I can watch interviews with, you know what I'm saying the part that I think is is difficult for you or I to have much of a review or Anything of it is a lot of the information is stuff that we've already we've known and we've covered and and you know I think outside of some of the stories and stuff from the family members and stuff. Yeah, it's Mostly stuff that isn't totally new information to us. So from that angle, it is kind of like, maybe you don't need to see it. Yeah, no, no, no, I mean, yeah, yeah, that's normal. But well done. Good job.

So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're gonna be talking about the 26th of March, 2024. And that is because it's the day after, or the day of, I guess, because it was early in the morning of the Francis Scott King bridge in Baltimore Collapsed and so I wanted to see Alex's take on it and see where he where he was going with things Oh God because obviously yeah, well, there's no way it's just going to be a Accident yeah, you'd think that I'm sorry. It's There's a there's no way it's just going to be a accident. Yeah, you'd think that I'm sorry it's

There's a there's a lot of oh my Bill it oh my god that are thrown around okay fine And so we'll get down to business on this and Alex's myriad thoughts, but before we do let's say hello to some new Wonks, oh, that's great idea so first. I hope to someday love someone half as much as Jordan loves tennis Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, praise B to Celine from Josh in Texas.

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Jordan we we start this off and Alex has a bit of a take thinks there's a a bit of a cover up of the footage of the bridge being hit. There's a cover up of the footage? Yes. For those who don't know, there was a cargo ship, lost power, veered off course, and hit one of the supports of the Francis Scott Key Bridge at like 1.30 in the morning or so. Bridge collapsed.

And Alex believes they're telling people don't show the footage. Ladies and gentlemen, the governor of Maryland has asked the media not to show footage of the collapse of the bridge. That is something entirely new. Did you hear the government say don't show footage on 9-11? But now we're seeing reports that social media like Facebook is trying to block it. So Alex has some basic details wrong here. It wasn't the Maryland governor who made this request. It was Baltimore's Mayor Brandon Scott. His comments were directed towards media outlets like CNN, not social media, and the reason he gave was, quote, no one needs to see the possibility of their family

member being severely injured or otherwise over and over again. It's just traumatizing our community. And so I think there's a fair point that he makes, but, you know, I don't think there was any censoring of that video. No, no. It was all over. I think, I think if you wanted to see it, you saw it. Yeah. I think even if you didn't want to see it. I didn't want to see it and I saw it. It's terrifying. I think especially before you realize that they were able to stop traffic on both sides. Now granted, I'm not trying to take away from or minimize the fact that there were construction people who were on there who were missing and unaccounted for

and presumed dead But you see a bridge collapse and your mind goes to there must be a ton of cars on there yeah, and so out of context seeing it is certainly a robustly horrifying 100% yeah, it is it is just like a reminder of the fragility of things that is like hey and then at the same time It's like hey if you throw 15,000 tons at something. It's gonna break. Yeah. Yeah, there's not much That can stop 15,000 tons. I'm not positive what sort of bridge is can withstand that kind of a god knows but

the boat lost power and Alex has some thoughts about how they all require backups. They all require backup power. Okay. The governor. Oh, Hey, we got the clip. We'll play in a moment. Don't show the footage.

There's nothing graphic. You don't see people being crushed or dying though. They are though. They're in the water. That's been reported. You have this huge bridge collapse. You have the power go out on a ship. And I've done some research, those ships have battery power for at least lights around and

in the ship that kick on. And so I made some calls and did some research. And I noticed that general Flynn saying the same thing, but those ships of that size by law to be able to come into a port like that, it's a hazardous waste port, or the biggest in the U S. Have to have all these emergency battery systems and generator systems where you would not have the main steering cut out for that long, maybe a second, if a primary system went down, then with the generators that automatically

kick on fail. We because of the power outages now caused by the feds not letting Texas produce enough electricity during the winter and summer peak times had to put in a $70,000 generator to run both buildings here. And then it was another 70, 80,000 to run the wires and all the expensive systems you've got to have to be in code. And this is not that big a building. Those ships have generally one of that size, have up to 10 large generators on them. And normally two levels, by lots, two levels of backup generators. We can open the phones up and have maritime professionals, and boy are they professionals, call into the show and explain it to you.

And they'll probably explain where I get some things wrong a little bit. But in general, I know I'm right. They can give you the specifics. And so we're going to do that right now. So he does. Right now. He opens up the phones here in a little bit for Maritime professionals. Maritime professionals. And I just, I know that it's a serious situation. I don't mean to make light of it, but I do wish someone had called in and just recited the lyrics to the Downeaster Elecna by Billy Joel. I thought that would be... I was hoping someone would do it.

Yeah, that would be fun. So even assuming that everything Alex is saying is accurate, then it still seems the issue at hand is that there just wasn't solid enough enforcement of existing regulations. Inspection regimens, things like that, That seems to be what the issue would be as opposed to some kind of a nefarious plot or anything that your mind might go to. These ships don't need to have emergency backup systems in order to come into hazardous waste ports as Alex is seeming to imply. They need them to be on the open water.

The International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea says, quote, every passenger ship, the electrical power of which constitutes the only means of maintaining the auxiliary services indispensable for the propulsion and the safety of the ship shall be provided with at least two main generating sets. The power of these sets shall be such that it's still, uh, it shall still be possible to ensure the functioning of the services. Right. So even if one thing goes down, it's supposed to have something else that can autonomously run it. No one's getting stranded at sea. The Dolly, the ship that crashed into the Francis Scott Key Bridge, had a backup generator

and sources are saying that it did kick in, but the ship never regained the ability to steer. The ship's local captain had them drop anchor and rudder to try and slow it down, but that wasn't enough. Thankfully, they were able to send out a May Day call, which allowed traffic to be stopped on the bridge, which almost certainly saved a bunch of lives. There's no sign that I've seen in any of this story that points to anything nefarious having happened.

At worst, it seems like there was a non-critical issue that was found with the boat in an inspection in Chile last June, but outside of that, there's no reason that you would see this, I think, and say it wasn't just a terrible accident. Regulations governing things like boats needing to have backup generators help make accidents less likely to happen, but that doesn't mean that it always will. Sometimes people cut corners, and even when people don't, catastrophic failures can still happen and it's just an unfortunate reality. Also Alex is entirely wrong about the reason for Urquhart's

failure to provide power during the Texas winter storm. No, no, no, no, it was the feds. It has nothing to do with people inside of Texas who don't want the feds anywhere near their power grid and specifically say so. It was their fault. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. So, Alex has realized that Michael Flynn general Michael Flynn is talking about this and so he's like I gotta get Flynn on Oh, no, so this is a big deal that port is now Shut down the ships can't get out No one can get out arguably the second largest if not the largest. There's big ones in Houston Chemical holding facility in the country. It's undoubtedly the biggest on the East Coast.

And that's why General Flynn, who's the former head of defense intelligence, is saying this is a major black swan event. In fact, producers, call Flynn, please. And if his producer doesn't answer, I've got his number. Come get my phone, call him. I know he's a busy guy, but but really want to get him on about this So you might ask what Alex's definition of a chemical holding facility is that is a good question It seems like it's just a nonsense term that he's using to create tension around this story

And any by any definition the Port of Baltimore is not the largest chemical holding facility on the East Coast I'm not I don't know what the definitions are He's never he doesn't specify right also the term black swan event is getting hot with conspiracy folks. So you can expect to hear a bunch of that in the future. Ironic considering the name meaning how infrequent it should occur and how often they're thrown around. And everything probably will be suspected of being one I at least until the election here's what I think okay if Alex says chemical holding facility my brain goes to wherever they can make the Joker you know what I'm saying like

somebody gets pushed there's vats and then there the Joker happens right right like that's what we're talking about yep yep yeah yeah it's a movie we're not talking about just like somebody holding the correct amount of something to help make something later right or things that are in transit from like boats to Eventually be offloaded or hazardous materials like could include oil it could include like a From aldehyde, you know, that's that's a chemical, right? You don't want to push

the Joker in there? Absolutely not. So I stayed like that forever. Right. So Alex says, get me Flynn. And one thing that I was really surprised by is that Flynn shows up almost immediately. Jesus, is he not busy? Is he not busy? Alex just said he was busy. But I'm not sure if he is. We have General Michael Flynn, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, former top national security advisor to President Trump. He's very busy, but we appreciate him on emergency notice popping in. We've got an article on Infowars.com dealing with it. You can also go to his website and to his ex account and get the latest.

General, you've been warning of a black swan event. We're seeing record levels of food processing facilities and energy switching stations and refinery fires and explosions, not just here but around the Western world. I've read the reports that statistically we're seeing about triple the number of these that we normally see. So obviously that means some of this is just normal accidents, but a lot of it is some type of sabotage. You're saying this appears to be a black swan event.

What do you mean by that? And can you lay it out for us? Yeah. I mean, so first of all, black swan events are usually, you know, it's from the financial world, right? Well, this is, this actually will back the financial world for sure. But these are events that happen that, you know, you just can't imagine that something like this is going to happen.

There are ships that transit every port harbor bay, particularly the large ports like the Baltimore Harbor, every single day, multiple times a day. And for something like this to happen, this complete violation of all standards and norms, they have what's called a SOP, Standard Operating Procedures, that every single ship's captain has to go through prior to taking off from the dock itself, actually prior to getting

on the ship. So everything that I see here, and you know, I mean, the jury is going to be out for a while. This is not, you know, I was asked earlier today, Alex, can we take the idea that this was a terrorist attack off the table and absolutely we cannot do that Let's not do let's not do that. All right, let's not take terrorism off the table. Okay, it's definitely possible This was terrorism. There's a part of me, honestly like How do we not have more of these kinds of acts you do if that makes it like when you think about how many?

How do we not have more of these kinds of accidents? Do you, if that makes sense, like when you think about how many car accidents and shit we have, that's the number of people behaving irresponsibly, like, I'm surprised we aren't hearing about more boating accidents. Well, there is a caller who calls in later who talks about being in a similar situation, and there are similar situations that have happened and probably do happen. And they're unfortunately not the perfect set of circumstances where the boat ends up crashing into a bridge. Like this probably does happen a lot. It's just on open water or something where the consequence doesn't happen.

Well, I mean, and if the boat was like 30 feet to the left, then it might have just gone straight through and hit the ground. It's so crazy how specific. And then you probably wouldn't hear about this. You'd be like, oh, a boat ran aground. Right. Yeah. And so there are... It is, because of all of the circumstances and all of the variables it is like a

Huge bit of news. Yeah. Yeah, totally But remove a couple of the variables remove one of the variables Yeah, and now it's something you wouldn't hear about yeah, and that's that's why you don't hear about it as often Yeah, yeah, that's true. So Flynn. I mean obviously sure keep in mind that it could be a terrorist attack I mean, I said yeah, but don't give it. Why would you give it that much? Credence that it is with no no other information Because it's more fun Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. I don't know.

I just feel like this one isn't going to move the needle on the terrorism scale. Well, that's why you need to add other variables. Okay, now I'm listening. And so that's what General Flynn does. Good call. The other thing that I'll bring into this, now bring into this, because these are events that are happening too often now. This attack in Russia, the Russians are now saying, Russians are now coming out and saying that the UK and the US were behind the attack in Moscow.

And then all of a sudden we have this event here. Now, you know, I think one of the things that we do have to remember is that, because I heard coming in this morning early that there were at least six bridge workers that were on that bridge, working on that bridge. And there are obviously some cars that are unaccounted for now. So there are going to be people that probably tragically lost their lives because of this incident. And I'm going to call it an incident. I'm not going to call it an accident just yet. We've all seen the videos where the lights went out on the ship. We've all seen the black smoke coming out of the top of it before they, you know, and I said in my, in my post this morning that people ought to look, start with the Harbor master because the harbor master has to answer a lot of questions about, you know, were standard operating procedures followed to the letter.

Yep. So the, uh, the Moscow the Moscow attack, the city hall, city, Crocus City Hall is being tied into this. Okay, the US and the UK are being blamed for the Moscow attack? By the FSB. Oh, really? Well, it's sort of, in a way. All right.

The idea of like, they trained Islamic terrorists. Okay, so we trained ISIS to attack Russia. Sure. That would be a turn for us. Yeah. So those kinds of accusations are flying around. Sure. Ultimate responsibility as opposed to like UK and US actually set this up and did it. Right, right, right. And so yeah, Flynn is, these incidents, these events are happening too much. And so there must be some kind of connective tissue so yeah, Flynn is, these incidents, these events are happening too much. And so there must be some kind of connective tissue to them, which is very weird. I'm going to go with Spectre.

I'm going to go with Spectre. And why not Hannibal Lecter? Because if it rhymes, it's true. Spectre and Lecter. Yep. So also the thing, the irony that you should not kind of ignore is the standards that they're demanding everyone follow are international law. So they're demanding an imposition of globalism onto the shipping sector or whatever.

So there's a little bit of kind of, they seem to miss that. I wonder, are there specific American ones that they should be more like hey, I know the United Nations demand this but because American standards are different This is actually good. I'm not sure right. I'm not sure you'll never know. Uh-huh I mean, I'm sure we could look it up. Well, there is also later There is a demand that there should have been like there needs to be tugboats everywhere It's like well there needs to be tugboats everywhere. It's like, well, there, you know, you would probably say that if companies were being forced to have tugboats tug out or guide out ships longer than was necessary, that was an imposition upon business.

But in this case, it's like, you know, people only use the tugboats as much as they need to. Yeah. Yeah. You know people people only use the tugboats as much as they need to yeah, yeah, and I don't know There's an attempt to create suspiciousness every every turn. Yeah. Yeah, there's a certain amount of like sure Yeah, I mean, okay. You want this problem to be corrected Hmm, let's start from where you would need to start from to get there and you're like, okay, well, executive pay is lowered and bonuses are no longer tied to stocks.

That's where you have to start in order to get to, let's have more tech boats. It is a point. So you're just trying to make this suspicious. That's what Flynn's game is, as best he can. Right. They're going to try to blame this on the construction of the bridge and they're going to distract people should not be distracted by those kinds of elements. This is there's a lot. There's a lot worse things that that that we're going

to find out from this particular incident and nothing can be taken off the table. We definitely have people who can who can investigate these. We have really good, talented people who can investigate these types of things. Somebody said to me this morning, well, the FBI ought to immediately get involved here. And I was like, no, they shouldn't. I mean, the FBI is not the best to investigate this right now.

There are other maritime agencies and activities that we have that are very professional and very capable of doing the work. And like I said, I would start with the Harbor Master because the Harbor Master has a lot to answer for in terms of what procedures were followed or not followed. And then there has to be a complete sort of reversal or backward examination about everything

that has occurred with that crew of that vessel, the vessel itself, what was in those container ships, everything. I mean, there is going to have to be an incredible level of detail. And then the other breaking news that I just heard this morning that I said right up front, Alex, is that Russians are now, appear to be blaming the United Kingdom and the United States for the attack in Moscow. I mean, Jesus, whenever we have these horrific leaders in charge of our country, which we do right now, these are the kinds of things that begin to happen. And we cannot, you know, we just can't have these kinds of these, and I'm going to say foolishness, because these are dangerous.

These are really, really dangerous times. And so anyway, I talked about a Black Swan event the other day because I just felt like just there's so much activity and so much noise and we're being distracted over the things that truly matter, and I just felt that. I felt that in my gut, and boy, to me, this is one of those things that I, that you just, you can't imagine.

I didn't wake up this morning thinking that this is what we were going to have. I thought maybe another terrorist attack or something like that, because we've had invading forces coming into our country, just like we just saw over at that happened in Russia. Okay. So I think it's clear that he wants you to be suspicious. Right. And I think the implication is very obvious that he keeps bringing up the idea that the UK and the US are behind the attack in Moscow to connect to this.

Right. So obviously this is an attack of some sort. Right. Is it a false flag that we're doing on us to get into a war with Russia or is Russia doing it to us or is it actually ISIS? There are so many possibilities and who knows. All right. I'm going to throw this out at you. Yeah. The bath party still in power. This is this is something we've heard. Okay. Saddam. It's tied down. Okay. And here we power. This is this is something we've heard. Okay, so Dom a It's tied to Al Qaeda and here we are this it makes perfect sense I think you you have you have a theory you have a premise and it is just as valid as all the other shit That's being thrown out

by these these guys So here's the thing you need to understand uh-huh symbolism Okay, I did not think of that. You should. Black Swan event. Always think about symbols. No, I visit Black Swan event. There's going to have to be a review of the infrastructure itself, but that bridge was fine. The John, the Francis Scott Key Bridge, right? It's actually, it's a very symbolic bridge as well. Don't say that it's that Francis Scott Key. He was the guy that wrote the national anthem during the during the war of 1812 in the United States of America. So very, very, you know, there's, there's, there's symbolism

in a lot of things here. So I, I, I, you know, what I'm telling you, Alec, and what I'm telling your, your, your audience is that we have to pay attention to every single aspect of what just happened. And it's got to go back even even months back. Where did this ship come from? Every single detail to the minute level. So this clip pretty well sums up the idiotic thinking that people like Alex and Flynn engage in. There's two major points being made here and they both lead you to pointless spaces. The first is that the ship hitting the bridge is somehow a symbolic attack on the bridge because it's named after Francis Scott Key. This is a mentality that encourages people to imagine connections between things and

then ascribe meaning to those connections. There's literally zero information that Flynn has that backs up the idea that this crash happened on purpose, let alone that the name of the bridge made it a symbolic target, but that's the kind of thinking he wants to normalize in the audience. The second is this insistence that every little minute detail needs to be examined. Obviously I believe that there should be appropriate investigation of the crash and that we need to get to the bottom of what happened, but that's not what Flynn is calling for. He wants to go on a perpetual fishing expedition where every detail is poured over in a search

for things that confirm his predetermined conclusion. He's decided this wasn't an accident, and the goal is to find anomalies that can be passed off as furthering that conclusion while ignoring everything else. These are two fantastic tricks that people like Flynn can use in the aftermath of an event to cast wild suspicion on things without having any actual information to go off of. There's no information here, this is just a shit talking. Yeah it's just a little bit like,, let's go on a witch hunt. All right. Now I understand that witches aren't real, but that's not important. Let's find evidence

that these are witches again. I don't care that they're not real. I don't care that there's no evidence. Actually, there's a frog in her backyard. It's a witch! Moving on. There's some sort of a detail that we find by pouring over months and months of shit And then a half also done done also attack on Francis Scott Key, okay? But here's the thing all right This is what you have to then admit to yourself, and you have to play it out in your mind You have to play out terrorists sitting around brainstorming with the whiteboard

which presidential slash Historical name for a bridge means we should attack it right but here's the thing that we can do away with that concern immediately Okay, that's because the people with the whiteboard of the globalists who are trying to attack freedom in America sure So they are the ones who have planned out these symbolism of the target Okay, fine, then we've got that but still that means that they there are other bridges with other names that could be symbolic True did somebody like narrowed out okay? We got the five most symbolically named bridges for this attack I

Imagine you could find symbolism in any in any name I'm not I'm not familiar with the history of crocus City Hall I imagine you could find symbolism in any name. I'm not familiar with the history of Crocus City Hall, but I imagine if you wanted to find some symbolism there, you probably could. I don't know. It's just, it's the imposition of imagined connections and the assuming that they mean something.

That's just not a good thing pattern. Numerology, yeah. So I was like, Flynn fucking showed up immediately. I was like, why did he do that? Good question. And I think I figured it out. Okay. Boy, I've been hearing a lot of scuttlebutt about Flynn movie and Flynnmovie.com. And Tucker Carlson is huge in it, a bunch of other heavy hitters.

This is just going to be amazing. It premieres coming up very, very soon. General Flynn's about to give us the inside on that and then comment on the Russia situation that's so serious. And Israel getting ready to carpet bomb Ra'afah 200-something days off from the election. But here's the trailer that you can find and get tickets and more at flindmovie.com. Here it is. Yeah, so I think he's promoting a movie. I think that's probably part of why real excited to immediately show up. Extremely available when promoting a movie. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. So they play the trailer

and then they get into talking about the the attack on Moscow. Sure. And Flynn does not believe that this was ISIS. Okay. Let's do a snapshot on what happened last Friday in Moscow, the aftermath of supposedly ISIS. But they say right when they're picked up, no, we were just paid and given weapons and told to do this. Now they've confirmed they did come out of Ukraine. They were trying to get back to Ukraine. Some say it could be Putin doing a false flag, but I see Nuland and others saying

nasty surprises, them saying, and Jack Pesovic and others predicting months ago that the West would now shift into more asymmetrical warfare because Russia has won this war. You're the leading expert on something like this. What is your analysis and gut, General? leading expert on something like this. What is your analysis and gut general? Yeah, my hypothesis on this Alex is that this is not an ISIS related attack. Okay. There's too many things, there's too many anomalies that, you know, ISIS, you know, if it was a, if it was a real strong radical Islamist type attack, these guys would have been prepared to die. And so there's just two, that's number one. But there's other things that I have examined, and this is just examining from afar,

that just do not come across to me much. So my gut tells me right now that this was not an ISIS attack, that there's something else behind this. Now, what I just learned and what the world is learning over the last 24 hours is that the Russians FSB has come out and said that the UK and the US are behind this. Now, you know, if we look at things like the Nord Stream

pipeline attack, we look at this, the fact that these guys got caught alive and where they got caught and so many of them got caught, I mean, the Russians are gonna learn an awful lot from that. And so I just, again, my hypothesis is that this is not an ISIS attack. Even though our government came out like in 30 minutes and said it's ISIS, right? And ISIS came out supposedly and said it's them. There's just something not right about this. Supposedly, they did come out and say that they did it. I don't understand how you could supposedly do that. Well, he's trying to minimize the fact that they said that they did it

He wants to go along with the FSB's line supposedly Yeah, weird So I'm noticing something listening to Flynn and that is that he doesn't actually ever say that much of substance He's spouting these theories and insisting something doesn't feel right about the Moscow attack or the bridge collapse But personally, I don't know if his feelings carry that much weight. And that's all that I'm hearing. Yeah. Feelings.

So the suspects arrested in the Moscow attack didn't come from Ukraine. They came from Tajikistan. When they were arrested, they were heading away from Moscow in a direction that could have been towards Ukraine or it could have been toward Belarus. Who knows? It seems like the idea that you'd be able to make it across the Russia-Ukraine border easily as a getaway seems kind of dumb. There's a war going on there.

Plus, according to the BBC, they were arrested 14 hours after the attack, only 250 miles away from Moscow. If there was some kind of a plan to shuttle them across the border, they could have easily done that by the point that they got arrested. So that line kind of just doesn't make sense to me. But yeah, Flynn has a lot of ideas But don't know don't know I am I am interested in the idea of people like these Believing what the FSB says sure you know what I'm saying. They're very distrustful of

intelligence agencies I think it's smart to be distrustful of intelligence. Even if they are telling you the truth, they have a purpose behind what it is they say. That's why they say, no comment so many times. So if there is a comment, they have a reason for it, and that's just, you know, there's a reason. Sure. Be aware of that.

Don't be just so trusting. Amazing that you would trust the FSB of all places. Well they're the example that approves the rule or whatever. Right, the exception. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know you can trust the Russian intelligence agencies because they make the right people disappear. Alright, Flynn. Sure thing, buddy. So he leaves and Alex, I'm going to go ahead and skip this clip because it's long And it's just Alex saying I'm probably going out of business 50 shot

Probably not good all right info wars going away. Maybe buy a shirt while you can right right so that He takes about a long time to say that just to say that yeah, so in this next clip Alex kind of, he's complaining about immigrants and I think he fucks up his entire whole house reapportionment argument here. Okay. They've had the illegal aliens there for six months to a year in these hotels and government facilities that they've tried to keep secret by the millions. And now they're kicking them out to make way for the new group and they're loading them on planes with money and sending them to Texas and Tennessee and Georgia and Michigan and Pennsylvania and Arizona and when in Florida.

And when you go down the list of where they're sending them I've got AP articles right here saying it they are sending them mainly to battleground states and to purple states and to red states they're not sending any of them to blue states so the Texas governor the Florida governor have wisely deported some of these illegal aliens they don't have power to deport them over the border, but they have power to ship them to another state or to a leftist area like Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts. But they're immediately taken out of there. So they are literally sending them to the blue, out of the blue cities, into the red areas to flip those Democrat, not just with the illegals voting, as we know they're doing,

but also again, for the apportionment of the members of Congress to get more congressional seats. So this is a big, big deal. So leaving aside that Alex is making all of that up in all the numbers, I want to point out that he's fucked up the conspiracy. If the goal of sending undocumented immigrants places was to create more Democrat house seats through apportionment, then the storyline needs to be that they're sending everyone to blue areas.

If the immigrants are being sent to red and purple areas, this whole plot line doesn't make sense. It's a waste of everybody's time. Let's not outnumber anyone with the vote. What? Plus, they only do the census every 10 years, and there was just one in 2020. None of these concerns matter though, because this isn't a sincere argument Alex is making. It's just the new way for anti-immigrant sentiment to be packaged in a way that folks like Alex

think is less likely to make them seem like bigots, but it's not working and you don't understand the premise even of your own bullshit narrative. No. No. It's contradictory. And it's just so transparently and blatantly race. I mean it's like, they're not sending them to blue states. Even in your conspiracy, even if your conspiracy was 100% true, that's ridiculous.

It would be so glaringly obvious what was going on. If your conspiracy is that 100% true, you and I would be like, well, obviously, if you're only sending them to these places, there's a reason behind it, right? It would be stupid. You couldn't hide it at all? Well, the problem is that they need to have like, this sort of more pseudo respectable argument, which is the apportionment of Congress. And then at the same time, Alex isn't willing to get away from the I believe that literally everybody can vote illegally. Yeah. So he has to he has to have the people are being sent to red areas because they vote illegally there. And then the people are being sent to the blue areas because that is the apportionment.

And he doesn't realize how he can't make these two mix. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too with his racist xenophobic narrative. And it's just, it makes it convoluted. Yeah. It's fucked up to think about it now, but I mean, you know, you think 10 years from now climate change situations start to arise and now people like Alex are mad about immigrants from Indiana coming to, you know, at what point are we talking about interstate level? You know what I'm saying?

Like, just this idea of like they're sending them to our states. The idea of it being an illegal immigrant is only the smoke screen now. When they don't care, it could just be like, they're sending black people from Indiana to Texas and now we're mad. You know? I mean, who knows how that'll evolve. Fuck me. So we get to Alex's phone calls.

He takes some calls from folks who work in the maritime services. Okay. And he gets a call from a guy whose dad works at the port. Okay, at the Baltimore port? I believe so, yes. Or just a, okay. At the Baltimore port. Good.

And I don't know if we get any information. Let's go to Tim first. There's his father, I believe he's saying works at this port. Then we'll go to Cody, Corey and Mitchell. Thank you, Tim, for calling and thank you for holding. You're on the air. Please give us your take and what your dad's telling you. Yeah, so my dad works at the port

and my brother's a truck driver. He goes to DC from Baltimore. And everyone's talking about, like, you know, this is, obviously it's never happened here. And just a few days later after the Russian, excuse me, incident, it just seems to be, you know, I don't think it's a coincidence. But where my brother works at, people are taking off.

They're like, yeah, something bad is going to happen. And just a bad feeling. So you've talked to your dad or have you not talked to him? Oh, yeah, no, he same deal. It's disrupting trade. Sure, I guess we're getting gossip from someone whose dad works at the, this doesn't seem like hard hitting. No, no, which kind of sucks is because I actually,

in this scenario, I could see some InfoWars people being like boat people, just like super into boats. No, there are a couple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then like calling in with really good information that's like nuts, like real detailed. Like they love that. Like, listen, we believe all this kind of bullshit, but also I listen to the shipping

reports every night and I have for 30 years, you know, that kind of thing. And I would be interested to know shit. Well, we do hear from somebody like that later, but until then, we do have to deal with gossip and speculation, but from people who work on ships. Okay, fine. I guess that's fine. I guess that's better. I know it's all speculation, but what's the buzz, what's the scuttlebutt with people in your profession? Well, I mean, it's early. I haven't talked to too many people,

but the biggest question is, is why did the ship lose power? I'm not sure how those ships are actually operated in terms of are there remote capabilities and can that stuff be interfered with? Was there some kind of a delay in electronics? But it looks like at the last minute, they tried to put it in reverse. They got the engines fired back up. But at that point, they say

that it takes nearly a mile to slow down eight knots and they were coming in pretty quick from what I can understand. What do they call that inertia? Inertia. Wow. Absolutely. Well, it could be a normal disaster. That certainly goes on. We're sure seeing a lot of this. I was thinking and I'm purely speculating. I'm not saying the Russians did it could be a normal disaster that certainly goes on we're sure seeing a lot of this Yeah, I was thinking and I'm purely speculating

I'm not saying the Russians did it but there are a lot of these ships because I've been led into the cruise ship by The captain's other people's I mean it's all decades ago Supercomputerized and GPS and all the rest of it most of it's done by you know autopilot And we know going back to the Exxon Valdez. It was on autopilot when I did that So but just to see that catastrophic power failure and to not even see emergency lights go on, it's very, very, very, very strange. And so it needs to be investigated. And unfortunately, I don't have any confidence, at least I don't in, in

federal investigators because they're so corrupted at the top, God knows who will ever know, but I saw the curse bridge being blown up repeatedly, uh, going out of Russia into southern Ukraine, into Crimea, and I wonder if it could be paid back by the Russians. I mean, this is the type of sabotage, industrial crap we've already seen. The globalists blow up the Nord Stream pipeline and Biden say, we'll get rid of the pipeline if you invade Ukraine. So it would be turning about fair play.

You're right. It's all just speculation. All the speculation. Aren't we scared of nuclear war right now? He's supposed to be terrified of it. Isn't he supposed to be terrified of it? And it's around the corner every second. Accusing Russia of attacking a bridge in Baltimore is not a good way to deescalate.

No, it's fine. Because here's the thing. He thinks it's cool if it was them. Ah, that's, you're right. Turnabout's fair play. Hey, what are you going to do? You shouldn't have allowed Ukraine to defend itself. If you, yeah, Alex, the way he's covering the possibility that he's making up out of

thin air that Russia did this is like, hey, if they did it, it's cool. That would be Pearl Harbor, though. That's that would be fine. That would be Pearl Harbor though you understand That would be Pearl Harbor, but it's fine. Okay, never mind. It's fine. I mean turnabouts fair play listen We have realigned politically globally quite a bit passed in the past 40 years and Alex says realigned sensibility Ish yeah, it's wild also. I just I was listening to this I was shocked at the extent to which this is being covered like a gossip a story Yeah, this is just like why don't we throw all kinds of weird ideas at the wall?

I Flynn come in and talk about the the attack in Moscow and talk about how suspicious this is with giving no Reason for this being suspicious necessarily. You take these callers and it's like, my dad thinks it's weird he works at the port. Great. Get another guy, the second guy who was a fisherman and you know, we got nothing. It's just, it's gossip. Yeah. It's a, it's a very thin.

Yeah, absolutely. It reminds me of so many like, yeah, as you're saying, it is just about what variables are present at what point in time. Like you'd think so many cruise ships when you've seen horrible disasters happen there, you'd be like, okay, well, terrorists are attacking thousands of people. That makes sense, right? That's your, you've given your target, right? Not just, well, it's called Francis Scott Keith. Symbolism. Symbolism.

Symbolism, baby. Yep. So Alex brought up the Exxon Valdez there. That was interesting. And so he talks about that a little bit more here. So again, I'm a lay person. I'm only cursory study this, but that's what I knew. And I knew, I read by law, any ship that's doing commercial work above a certain size has to have old things he just mentioned. So and again, they had it back during the Exxon Valdez but the captain was completely drunk and basically plotted in remember correctly put the

computer plotting wrong so think about the pilots will tell you that on any big commercial plane they're not flying the plane anymore they pre-program it computer takes off the computer lands they're just there like custodians. That's why pilots now come back, the pilot will be asleep, the captain will be asleep if you're in first class right next to you. And I've just been seeing this the last few years and I've talked to them and they said,

we don't fly the planes anymore. And the older captains will tell you, this is dangerous because when there's a problem, they're not very good because normally you're taking off, you you've got to stay on top of it. And in many ways the computers do fly planes better than humans until there's a problem. They've had all these computer systems malfunction and it makes the planes dive bomb and they kind of sweep it under the rug but as everything gets put into one system and one AI system it makes it totally easy to be taken over by hackers,

by governments, by aliens. And I mean that hypothetically, but you know, that's like a remake of Battlestar Galactica. I'm not a big TV guy, but I did watch the first series and that was pretty good. And that's how the aliens take over Earth is they take over the AI and then everybody's defences except one ship that was a museum piece that wasn't in the grid. Could have stopped at Hacker's. Could have gone along. Could have just stopped at Hacker's. Yep, yep, yep. Jesus Christ. So Alex does have a lot of concerns about self-driving vehicles. I mean, yeah.

It's a real good thing that he isn't a huge supporter of the world's number one promoter of autonomous vehicles. It does feel weird. That is a strange bedfellow. Also that's not what happened with the Exxon Valdez. But Captain Joseph Hazelwood was drunk. That is true. Yes. But he wasn't in charge of the boat at the time. He had retired for the night and taken his leave. The third mate was in charge of the ship at the time. But fun. I do appreciate the idea, because in my head, if you say like say like oh the old pilots, the old captains will tell you, you know, this is dangerous.

Back when they were drunk. I see grizzled sea captains with like a peg leg, you know, just being like oh they let you take off doing anything now, you know. It is probably an unfair stereotype that I have because I'm sure the captains weren't all drunk. No, of course not. But that was the sitcom thing. Yeah, of course not. That was the sitcom thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was the sitcom joke, is that captains back in the day were all drunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's what we all remember. Right. So now I guess the sleeping isn't that much worse. Yeah, and they were like, uh, handsy. That was the joke, is that they were very handsy. That might not have been a joke.

Yeah, well, yeah, that's fair. The 60s was dark. I'm sure there's stereotypes. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think... I mean, obviously technology has evolved and stuff, but I don't think that we're at the point where everything is automated. I like your problem with they're better at us at some things until they're not.

It's like, well, humans are better than them at some things until they're not. You understand how that works, right? Everybody is good at things. Until they're not. Yep. Yeah. So there's an attack on men that is happening. Because of the boat?

Because of the ports. Yes. Because hard men, men do the hard work at these ports. All right, I'm going to go through the other seven, eight calls we have and then we're going to stop there. They're fascinating. With port workers, barge operators, captains, engineers, all these interesting people calling in to give you an idea of how complex civilization is, the amazing men, not putting down women, but it's men that built it. It's not black men. It's not white men. It's not brown men. It's men And the attack on men that bust their ass these dangerous positions all over the world and always have

And we have this disaster and the thing smells I agree with flinn. It's very suspicious You've heard these callers that working around this this stuff never happens folks I mean, we're talking every 30 years. This is crazy And those ships have redundant systems. The power goes off here. We got two backup systems, batteries and a big generator. And it works. Power goes out, never even goes off. Just we're on. And those ships have that, you heard it two or three times backed up, depending on how big the ship is.

So there's, it's suspicious. You know, there there is not a commitment to an argument necessarily that Alex is is making, you know, there's, there's the there's the redundancies of the electrical system, obviously bringing this up as a cause for suspicion is there must have been sabotage, sure, or there has to have been some kind of like, you know, the planes are all AI, they're all like the robots are flying them, right right there was a robot attack on the AI that was running this boat or whatever Yeah, sure There's that suspicion that is drawn out sure and there's all kinds of non sequiturs that are brought up by Alex and by callers Things like there weren't tugboats taking them all the way things like there

I heard that the crew was all Ukrainians let's pour through every detail and if we can find anything that might be suspicious yeah you build this suspicion but there isn't like a aha here is the explanation for everything right and it's just kind of a bull session of bullshit yeah and so we get another we get a caller who has a real a real winner okay right yeah and it's a Singapore tug right or a Singapore cargo vessel so I mean are we looking at China on this or I'd be imagine if we go to war with Iran they're gonna block both of the major canals there in the

Middle East that'll be very easy to do. They'll just blow a couple ships up. I'm sorry? This is crazy. Yeah, looking into the ports further, I mean, look at the Panama Canal and what's going on down there. They're trying to shut everything down. Anything else, sir?

No, that's good. Thank you so much. Be safe. Okay. Beautiful area, Cape Cod. Beautiful area. What is going on? Gotta love Cape Cod. What is Cape Cod doing? Oh, that guy's from Cape Cod Yeah, I understand that part beautiful area a beautiful fair fair enough fair enough fair enough See I think climate change is more what's affecting the Panama Canal at this point

but Singapore China all right boom right I boy, China, boom. Right. I, boy, you know, this vessel's from Kenya. It's probably Russia doing it. What are we talking about? You literally said the name of a different country. Na, na, na. Singapore, China. Not how it works.

Boom. I do appreciate it. Free association. Like that idea of just Well, you know Singapore. It's round there. That's probably China. I associate that's just China Not even an inkling of like maybe they're their own people not even once not a single thought it's all just one Big thing of China. Yeah, why did they name themselves? He's almost resentful of them. Why'd you name yourself Singapore? You're making me waste time when I should be saying China. And that's actually kind of suspicious in and of itself. Ridiculous. So Alex does get a call from a

guy who seems to have a lot of answers for him. Okay. And this guy is pretty set on it being an accident. Right. And he has a good answer for the backup generator narrative, which does seem to be the biggest piece of real world information that Alex is wrestling with, which is there's supposed to be redundancy of the power supply, so even if something fails, something else should take over. And this guy kind of destroys that talking point.

Tim in Mississippi, thanks for holding a ship captain. What type of ship captain are you and what's your take? Hey Alex, first time caller, man's a little bit nervous here but trying to keep it rational. When a ship is underway, it has to have only navigation lights. So from watching the video this morning, and you could see the lights, to me that's going to be emergency deck lights for evacuation, which automatically comes on when you lose

power. Like Joe said, man, I'm following up. He really knows what he's talking about. He's got a lot of it down. There's about a two minute delay on your generators when that kicks back. Some of them have three. The ones I ran offshore had two.

It was a redundant system. You're saying it's not fast. It's not what? It's not fast. On a transfer, no, it's not fast. On a transfer, it's not fast. It's not instantaneous like a lot of people say There is a backup system on the steering. That's what your emergency generator system does

It activates certain lights That's for evacuation and the it be and on a ship like that on the Solis class. It's gonna have probably three I've never worked on those size ships. I've only worked like the 350 foot supply boats offshore. Now I've had to deal with this going into the Port of New Orleans a lot. It's a miracle on a day to day basis of how many catastrophes this probably avoid. And not long ago we had one that come under the bridge and he lost steering and the first thing a pilot does a harbor pass pilot will say is drop your anchors as soon as he knows that he can't have control he's gonna drop anchor that's your last resort and when it's the one in New Orleans caught it kind of

swung it out a little bit back into the river and it hit the wharf and actually saved a lot of lives. That guy done everything right. And in this situation, when you see that ship turn, it's a possibility he had already dropped his anchors. If he's underway, he's only going to have tugs that's going to guide him. So this guy kind of gets rid of a lot of the stuff that's like, this is like really suspicious. Like if there is this backup generator, it takes a little while, there isn't an immediate kick on of it, then in that downtime, when you've steered off course, that could explain

everything, quite honestly. So I think that this guy maybe is the wrong call for Alex to take because it ruins a lot of the fun. I mean, I, well, I fucking, I'm disappointed that we're listening to this on Infowars because I want to listen to this guy tell me more about boats. Like, I feel a lot like if you recall like going to the fire station and then the fire person being like, here's how everything works in the engine. Yes, tell me more about the more details and weird shit about the engine. Tell me, tell me all about that.

This guy is so knowledgeable about boats and they're so complicated. He's a pretty good communicator too, honestly. Yeah, no, I'm learning, I'm interested, and then I'm worried that this guy is gonna be like, and also we need to get rid of all immigrants. Like no, wrong place! He doesn't say anything that raises any alarms of problematicness,

but he does have an explanation for Alex's primary reason to have some wild suspicion. Yeah. And that just isn't fun. So... Eh, I mean for me this is, this has probably been one of the most exciting Infowars actual moments in real life for me because I love learning about stuff like that. That's so cool. Yeah, and so as he explains what he reads and the dynamics of things you kind of have to just admit as is probably

Yeah, it's like I said I mean there's so many times that things can go wrong and when it does it's always in the wrong spot And I'm trying to be rational on it. I'm not I'm like you it's Until this I'm gonna tell you from all the experts in, it sounds like it probably wasn't hacking or terror. Yeah, I'm going with the way that the lights were. And you had all of these white lights on and you can see it coming toward that stanchion. And then all of a sudden the lights came back on.

To me, when it goes to black, that means it's a normal operation. So Alex has to just sort of retreat to I guess all the experts calling in or saying that it's probably an accident. Yeah. Yeah. Which isn't fun for him. He had General Flynn show up out of nowhere to be real suspicious at the beginning and that this kind of deflates everything. It is a wet blanket. Yeah. I will admit that this is a wet blanket for Alex. This destroys all kinds of enjoyment. There's not a lot of momentum you can take after this. After someone who seems to know quite a bit is a ship captain. Yeah. Isn't like incoherent in his communication is saying these are the reasons why I see this. And I think this is probably an accident.

I've been in situations like this. Yeah, I'm aware of of this Kind of you kind of have a tough time Then being like what about the Moscow attack and and it's one of your own people. Yeah, it's one of it's not like it's a Expert on CNN. No, no, no, it's one of your own people who's who's on the ground and it's doing a job That's like in Alex's mind an actual job as opposed to somebody who works anywhere else you know. So another caller I'm not sure if it was this guy or another person I don't remember exactly but someone is like you know who you should get on to talk about this is an expert that

you have not talked to in a long time and maybe it's time for you guys to settle up. Larry Nichols? No he's dead. I was hoping it was Steve Pacenek. Oh yeah, yeah, that would be great. But it turns out this person was like, you got to get Matt Bracken in. Oh wow. And for those of you who don't remember Matt Bracken.

Yeah, it's been a while. He was the guy who, well first of all he's obsessed with the coming race war and has written multiple books about it. But also he would host The Fourth Hour on Alex's show and he famously on I believe it was December 31st 2020 said we need to storm the Capitol on January 6th. That's right. That was him. Yeah, and then Alex is like, uh-oh It's why we haven't it's probably why we haven't heard from him Maybe a big part of it in a while. Yeah, yeah, because after January 6th Matt Bracken was a big part of Alex Trying to do like, sort

of... Yeah, damage control, throw people... And then it came out that he had said, you should storm the Capitol on the 6th. It looked a little bad. So he and Alex have not been super close. Thrown under the bus. So when this person suggested that Alex talk to Matt Bracken, Alex was like, I'm going to host the fourth hour, fuck it.

And I was like, oh, he's going to get Matt Bracken in. Right. And then he doesn't. God damn it. Yeah, Matt Bracken doesn't show up. It seems like it was a promise, yeah. I was hoping, maybe, he's gonna get Matt Bracken in. And then he doesn't. Yeah, but Matt Bracken doesn't show up. It seems like it was a promise, yeah. I was hoping, maybe Bracken was busy. He's not like Flynn, he doesn't have a movie to promote. Right.

So Alex does have a different guest, though, that comes in in the third hour. And it's a guy who co-hosts a podcast with Jimmy Dore. I'm a big fan of this guy. I've been watching him for years, co-hosting with the great Jimmy Dore. and of course he's just done so much more Kurt Metzger comedy.com and at Kurt Metzger that's in ER on X and he's got you know so many shows he's written for Chappelle, Jim Norton it just goes on and on and and so it's great to have him here to talk about the world we've got some of his comedy clubs coming up as well but he's really a hardcore guy that's aware of world events and what's happening. And so my wife is the one that

gets alerts on her iPad and she watches Jimmy Dora all the time. She watches her other favorite person to watch. She likes Jordan Peterson. She also likes watching Russell Brand. I kind of get mad at her. Why don't you watch me? Why? She goes I got plenty of you at home but you know she's a big fan of yours so thank you for coming on it was a great interview with you guys and Jimmy. Yeah I know I wanted because when you were talking about DMT and stuff before and I never got to talk to you about it not right this second but I was like I've been meaning to get asked you about that because you're talking about the alien entities they're trying to contact. You can talk about DMT and yeah. It's not super interesting but I

found out what you were talking about. Absolutely. You don't know what he was talking about. So you got Kurt Metzger. I know for a fact that like eight to 10 years ago, Kurt Metzger was making fun of people who did exactly what he's doing right now. There's a chance that he probably was. And he definitely does talk in this interview about how on 9-11 he was like gung-ho for the Iraq war and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there is obviously a some positions have changed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that. I did think it was really weird that Alex said that he is a series regular with Alan Alda and Jessica Lange.

And I'm like, on what? What show? On what? He's talking about Horace and Pete's the the show Horace and Pete the Louis CK show from when he that the stage play show that he did it was 2016 oh my god that's right he was sitting at the bar with Lisa mm-hmm and Jessica Lang weird yep we're that was that was I don't understand why Alex didn't finish that credit. That's strange. Hmm So yeah, I don't know look Kurt Matzger. I don't know. That was a dark show. Mm-hmm Horace

And I don't I don't think I ever saw it. I did he was dark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know it's a bar, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean it's it's one of those Classic terrible stage plays where you know, everybody dies in the end that kind of thing. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those Classic terrible stage plays where you know everybody dies in the end that kind of thing sure yeah, so Kurt Metzger is on I don't really care too much. I don't I don't yeah, I'm not I'm not wildly interested no But there are a couple things that do come up that I think are are notable okay And right now is the age of disgruntled employees snitching on their employers, which I'm all for. I say keep snitching, it's great. Especially if it's on government officials.

100 percent. Well the great part is I don't do anything weird. I mean there's literally nothing other than the fact that everybody knows Alex Jones drinks sometimes and it's an issue. Am I going to AA lately? You're not supposed to talk about it. He's going to be sober for this shit. No, no, no, exactly. But other than that, the stuff the New York Times, like, said, we had a fish tank of an employee and Jones was mad and grabbed the fish and ate it. That's Wolf of Wall Street.

There's never been a damn fish tank here. You never did a Wolf of Wall Street? I did. I never murdered someone's fish. But they make up lies so big, people go, it's got to be true. You know. I mean, Jones killed the employee's fish and you're not working hard enough and grabbed the fish and ate it. It's Wolf of Wall Street. I mean, Jones killed the employees fish and you're not working hard enough and grabbed the fish and ate it.

It's Wolf of Wall Street, you lazy assholes. Did you know that even the real life Wolf of Wall Street, nobody did that? So I think that it is fun to encourage snitching on employers, primarily because people like Kurt or Alex, when they are the subject of things, there's denial and it's cancel culture. So they're kind of immune from any of this blowback. But yeah, sure, go ahead, snitch on employers. But the other thing that I think sticks out there.

What, that Alex doesn't do anything weird at all ever? Maybe he just drinks a little bit, everybody knows that, but he's not a weird guy He doesn't do weird things. Why are you saying that he does weird stuff all the time, Dan? I think he does some weird stuff. Ah ha that's definitely true Not not the accusation of eating a goldfish. I think there's other plenty of other weird stuff I don't think you need that but Alex said that he's been going to AA. He did say that now I Obviously if this is true, I don't want to make fun of that.

I think it is totally fine to seek help. And I think that's great. Okay. Now, if he's doing the steps. Yeah. Alright. Let me ask you a question. How long do you think it takes for him to read every letter of apology that he needs to write?

I mean, I that's the that's the thing that I find very difficult to imagine. Yeah is Engagement with the steps the process the thing that it is here is moral inventory That that is right making amends while he's That, making amends while he's screaming at people and denying that he did anything wrong about Sandy Hook. Yeah, they're officially. I find it really difficult. I imagine it'll be tough. And I.

I think the anonymous part is probably gonna be the hardest thing for him. Clearly he just said it on air. He's bringing it up. I'm going to this meeting on this date. Yeah, good work. Thanks, man. Thanks.

That would be a nightmare. Yeah, right. So, there's some other things that come up. I don't want my country hijacked by crazy people. Well, that happened a long time ago, I guess. I don't have any say over it. Ever since they killed Kennedy, the CIA has been in control, and they're just out of control. Is this, am I wrong about this?

I can't find it. I was trying to, I swear I read it somewhere, but the term conspiracy theory as like a thing was Alan Dulles. Yes, it was created in 1963. There's even AP articles. It was released in 64. Anyone questioning the JFK assassination was called a conspiracy terrorist, so you wouldn't debate the facts.

Right. No, that's not true. So Alan Dulles did not create the term conspiracy theorist or conspiracy theory in 1963 to discredit people who had ideas about the JFK assassination. The term long predates that point, and Alex is just trying to sound interesting and smart for his impressionable celebrity guest. This all traces back to a 1976 document titled Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report, which was meant to help CIA folk understand various arguments the conspiracy theorists

made against the Warren Report and provided rebuttals for them. This doesn't prove that the CIA created the term conspiracy theorist or even that they weaponized it against truth seekers, but that's more fun for people like Curtin and Alex to believe, so that's the truth for today. Yeah, it's probably more like they had a researcher compile all of their evidence and create a short burst of things that you can say. And it used the term conspiracy theory in it. So, bada boom. So there are conspiracies though.

Well, yeah. So things must always be. I don't You know, if you go if you in court court for, I think Trump was charged with a criminal conspiracy, right, by Fannie Willis, is that Rico conspiracy? Yeah, no, no, no. You're all thinking it's a conspiracy. The whole basis of organized crime laws is conspiracy.

Yeah, so, and I always ask, like, do you think, are you saying conspiracy, is it conspiracy to you a thing that's not real? Everybody else does conspiracies, but not powerful corporations and governments. Right, well not the guy I like, or my favorite is every dumb shit liberal I know. I'm non-binary politically, but every liberal I know, they all know the story of the Sackler family and how they, OxyContin, they saw the documentary. I was hooked on OxyContin. And that was a real conspiracy.

It was very real. They all know about this, and I go, okay, so you know OxyContin. And that was a real conspiracy. It was very real. They all know about this, and I go, okay, so you know OxyContin, now hold that, hold that in your head, and now think about all the other drugs, like the vaccine, the fucking, I can't wait till you're not allowed to talk bad about Ozempic. I bet that's coming pretty soon,

where you're gonna be shadow banned because you said something about Ozempic wrong. Gonna be shadow banned for shitting on Ozempic. Seems not to have happened. Seems like it's not going to. But Kurt is suffering from a thought pattern that you could describe as treating possibility as proof. Pointing to the case of the Sacklers does not show that all other medications are profit-driven

conspiracies, but it does show that conspiracy has happened and is possible. This is a mental shortcut that Kurt's taking because he gravitates towards this iconoclastic position. But it does show that conspiracy has happened and is possible. Yes. This is a mental shortcut that Kurt's taking because he gravitates towards this iconoclastic position. I guess he doesn't believe in medicine then? It's all a scam? How can you not? Okay.

Okay. So if I understand correctly, if one Sackler, all Sackler. Is that the argument basically? Well, sure. I mean, I think that's kind of the way a lot of this conspiracy shit works Yeah, is like okay the the Operation Northwoods exists therefore everything that could possibly seem like it must be fake right? It's the possibility is Treated as proof and that is because you can't

Arrive at the conclusion any other way, right? You have to make that big leap And then scoff at people for not joining you on that leap as if they're dumb shit libs or whatever Which is which is kind of crazy because if you follow his reasoning at a certain point he inverts it, you know Like okay. I know the story of the Sacklers, the Sacklers conspiracy, everybody talked about how it's bad, the opioid crisis, epidemic, all of these things for years, decades. We've been talking about this, right? And then he's like, aha, now apply that to when you're not allowed to say bad things about stuff?

No. So that's the same? No, he's saying that, you know, you have these people who had a profit-driven motive in order to give people medicine that they didn't need or was maybe dangerous. So now apply that to every other medicine. Sure, but I mean- Apply that to the vaccine. When he's talking about you can't talk bad about ozempic, he's comparing that to the

vaccine. You're not allowed to talk bad about the vaccine. He's not comparing that to you're not allowed to talk bad about fucking opioids. Would you get shadow banned for talking about Vicodin? I mean, yeah, what are you fucking talking about? One day soon. One day soon they will. In this scenario, he's almost even providing the roadmap for why it is his reasoning is wrong.

Oh no. Fair enough. So Kurt wants to ask Alex about the trillionairesaires sure and what their belief system is why and such okay the thing my whole rabbit hole I just want to go down is like okay the very tippity top or whoever like I assume it's trillionaires I assume above the billionaires are trillionaires yeah though the real money secret. Yeah. And what like, what is their sign tile? I want to know what their Zenu is. Like, is their Zenu the lizards? Like the story where they there is no no I can tell you because they don't make jokes about it. They believe

they're interfacing like a skull and bones. They believe they are interfacing with Greek gods. And they go through all these rituals to then be influenced or possessed by it and that's because their internal animals got leaked by Charlotte Iserby whose dad was a high level member and it's on record, it's real. Will you say that last thing, your internal mammals got leaked by who? By Charlotte Iserby whose dad was high level skull and bones. She was the former head of the Department of Education. Oh, okay.

And she's dead now, I interview her all the time, but the point was, and she gave the animals to Anthony Sutton, the head archivist the Senate the Frank Church committee hearings All came out of that. Oh, I didn't and the whole shadow government just it was a bunch of whole scullabones one part of it that when her dad died of cancer, you know, she gave it to him and The point is is that these guys literally believe they're channelers Then they get DMT and they have groups of people up to 50 having the same experience now with DMT where they're all seeing the aliens. They have to go to ritual sites. Those are like gateway portal points

where they built them there. The ancients knew this and they're like in Peru and places. And so they are literally seeing them. That's why I've never taken it because I took it. I know how real it is. Yeah. Alex doesn't need to take it because he has sleep apnea as you recall. So he takes DMT every night because he doesn't have enough oxygen to his brain. But apparently he had that fixed and then maybe it hasn't been fixed. I don't know. But so yeah, they worship Greek gods and they channel Zeus.

I think we all can like, I think there's a way to relate to this in a way that makes better sense, right? You know, anybody who has way too much of something, their zenu is that thing. You know, like, oh, what's, what's a trillionaire zenu? Aha, money. The end. Well, but that's where, that's where it gets fun because once you have enough money, you no longer care about money. But you see, that's where that's where it gets fun because once you have enough money, you no longer care about but you see

That's where we are making the mistake, you know people who have too much stuff in their house They don't suddenly stop caring about getting more stuff. They still want more stuff. Sure It's the desire for stuff that they want but how does Hera fit into this? That is a really good question and what of Hephaestus? Okay, well he's building, obviously, he's one of the three senators who made the Fed, because he had to... Right, with his hammer. Yeah, yeah, that's where the money plates come from.

See, I'm not sure if this was Charlotte Iserbeet's information. I think she just had like a roster of people who were members of Scone Dones. I think this might be a little bit of a, hey, we got a magical trove of information here that we can just point to and it proves everything that we wanna say. I don't know. Yeah, it feels like when Wiley used to run off the cliff,

he could've just kept running. Could've. Could've just kept running. We don't need another cliff on the other side, just need to keep going. Just keep saying Charlotte is her beef. Give it to Anthony Sutton. So Kurt does mention that he's done DMT. Sure. And he talks about that a little bit and it's just kind of a DMT experience. Yeah, I did drugs. Yeah. You've done drugs. My mind was different. There's nothing really that that I

Leave as impacted as Alex's talk of the 100 foot tall mantis. There is that so I I don't care Yeah, but Alex does say something. I think is a little strange in this clip It's like a pareidolia where you could see like patterns and things that you that's I think is how brain works is the big mess you know, you don't see reality, but that's just science and And then your perception is like you making pictures out of the big well, that's it But I mean it look they can take chickens is one they end up with ducks and they can do ten generations Just a couple years and they put them in a warehouse

Where none of the chickens or ducks have ever been outside. And it's like a 50 foot wall. And if they project a triangle flying over, nobody cares. And if they do the scream of a hawk, they don't care. But if they do the image of a hawk and the scream of a hawk, they all run into the coop screaming. They've never seen a hawk, but they know what a hawk is. They know what it sounds like. See, that's the ancestral memory.

So the ancestral memory is, we're not just a seafaring people We're a spacefaring people we were seated here. We used to be spacefaring people you understand And that's our ancestral memory Mm-hmm. I think also Alex is a little wrong a little bit off on the details, but this this duck experiment I one I would like to know how you get ten generations of ducks in only a couple of years That's that suggests to me that Alex is describing some sort of quick aging technology that allows an entire Cycle of a height it from okay. All right, so that's fine. That's fine. But if if

You are going to say to me aha. We were a spacefaring people you are going to say to me, aha, we were a spacefaring people, this is our ancestral memory, then I say to you, please stop telling me you're a Christian, throw your Bible away, please, because go back to space. Well, you know, you can make it work. Can you? Sure. Where? Somehow. Metaphor. When God created the lights and the stars, were we out there? Sure. Okay, fair enough. That's how we...

It was a long day. It was a long day. Yeah. So, usually I have one more clip here, because I just, I don't know. I don't find Kurt Metzger's interview that interesting, honestly. Yeah.

If I see an article that says some enemy has a fantastic weapon, then I know we have that weapon because there's no way. You just know, you know for sure. I was like China wants our chips are 20 years ahead. Yeah, China's another question. How do the US get so far ahead?

And that and that's the other thing. So I brought that up. I'll tell you it's done through channeling. So well, well, anything you create is anything I've ever known was channeling. I mean, I don't know like I didn't decide I didn't think it was Kermes coming to visit me but I always feel if I did good work it was channeled it always feels like that it feels like my consciousness took exactly you connect and you're like whoa this was I was just giving this yeah that my this

all the time I'm driving along like what I think I don't tell people this is happening when it comes true. Yeah. Well, I'm not even thinking about my ghost say this So that that's that's how Alex arrives at most of his conclusions Yeah, I don't I don't know. I I just I don't There's I I don't find interviews with comedians that interesting. No. For the most part. For one, I don't know what Kurt really has to bring to the table outside of sort of aggressive thoughts. And I don't know how much is like, because there are instances where he's very clearly trying to be funny.

Right. And I don't know how much to take seriously of stuff that's like, no, I'm fucking, I'm making a joke. Yeah. And so I don't know how much to take seriously of stuff that's like no, I'm I'm a fucking I'm making a joke Yeah, and so I don't know it. I kind of tune out a little bit. I Don't I don't want to like here's the thing with comics and that kind of stuff Like I you can run the risk of being the like hey funny man be funny Yeah, kind of thing, you know, like you're not allowed to be a whole person in that kind of thing. You're not allowed to be a whole person in that kind of thing.

To me though, if you're doing an interview, you're there as, it's a job. I'm there in the function of comedy, that kind of thing. So I'm there to do comedy. That's why, so it's like- Well I think he's more there as Jimmy Dore's co-host. So then in that case, it's like shut up. Do what you're supposed's like shut shut up. Do what you're

supposed to do and shut up. Yeah I don't know I mean there were just long stretches where I just was kind of like alright they're still talking. Yeah. Still just sort of having a rap session about cultural grievances that they're upset about and I don't know I just it didn't it didn't do it for me and I was really hoping that Matt Bracken would show up yeah because I thought that would be fun I thought you know at least he'd bring something weird to the table yeah and yeah I don't know yeah you know I would I would imagine that if you know

if it was like 1955 right Edward R. Murrow is in his old-fashioned car driving to the one TV studio in the country, you know, doing that whole thing. I can't imagine him being like, oh, I'm just going to say that later. I don't think that's how it works. I don't think it's how it's supposed to work. Channels his news coverage. I'm going to say that later and I bet it'll come true. That is not good.

I think that's kind of the work process of how you end up in a situation where like the first half of your show is trying to make this boat crash seem incredibly suspicious. And then just sort of letting it peter out a little bit. Give it up about halfway through. And then interviewing a comedian for an hour. It's a strange ride to, you know, like in terms of this show, because it starts. And obviously the biggest news is the bridge collapsing. Sure. And Alex is throwing all like throwing suspicion around brings in general Flynn almost immediately

To have that pageant there at the beginning. Yeah wants to take all these calls from seafaring people From which again I prefer sure. Yeah, a number of them are just gossip nonsense that I don't with no grounding whatsoever Right and then some experts who like this is an accident, you know, blah blah blah Yeah, and Kurt Metzger. It's just it's a strange it's just Nothing really is that important and you could have really the value of the show is almost confined to this one caller Who's like yeah Yes, there's reason to believe

This is an accident. Yes, you know, there's not anything necessarily nefarious behind it I'm trying to be rational he said repeatedly outside of that this kind of I don't know just feels Feels like a waste of it. It's time. You know what what's what's amazing about it? All right, is that in the middle? He's like there's a 50-50 chance We're staying on air and this show is great evidence of like how did you make it this long? How are you still on it right? How are you ever on it? Yeah? Yeah, I feel I feel like I Don't know It just it seems like there could have been a like a bridge guest or something. I would have yeah

Not not Mike Flynn? Yeah, I mean a boat and a bridge guest seem like they would make the most sense and you know, both of them would have their own respective expertise and then we could kind of come to an idea of how things are built. See, that's what the news does.

Oh, there's so many interesting things about the way bridges are built. Do you know how interesting it is to build a bridge in the first place? They don't build the middle first, you can't. I didn't hear any of this. Yeah, I didn't hear this either. So we come to the end of this and I, yeah, whatever.

I was kind of, you know, I was interested in hearing what Alex's coverage of the bridge was because I thought there would be a much harder swing towards a conspiracy sure in the Immediate of this happening because it's a tragic event and you know there's a lot of attention That's that's affixed to it sure and instead It's a little bit lukewarm with the exception of the time that he spends with Mike Flynn Which is you know pretty they know a lot during that period of time yeah? But yeah, we'll see we'll see how how things develop and we'll see what comes next. Yeah, it's hard to believe that you can be so confident of terrorism basis and then an

hour later be like, well, yep, guess it was an accident. Well, it's definitely, you know, maybe we're not confident that it's terrorism, but we're confident that we should really suggest that. Yes, exactly. Anyway, we'll be back, but until until then we have website indeed. We do it's now try calm Yeah, we're also on blue sky. We are on blue sky as a knowledge right? Yep. We'll be back, but till then I'm neom They own DZX Clark skittie do booboo boop boop boop boop boop boop And now here comes the sex robots Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding