Knowledge Fight - #967: Tucker, The Man And His Live Show

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss Dan's trip to Pennsylvania where he attended Alex's live show with Tucker Carlson.

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a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh,. We are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan good question for you So what's your my spot today, buddy? Where do you go first? My bright spot is Jason Pargin's new book mm-hmm formerly? Nom deplumed under David Wong perhaps still I don't remember sure but his new book is out It's called. I'm starting to worry about that black back black this black box of doom Slight unwieldiness of title sure as is the fashion yeah But it's actually it's very very good. It's a really really good book Unfortunately, what we weren't able to work out an interview stuff But it's really good, and I think everybody would like it nice

I think it's like it's like right up the alley of people having the type of conversation that is surrounding conspiracy theories all the time. It's one of those books that explores a bunch of different avenues that maybe you wouldn't have thought of. I wish you would have given me this plug last time because I could have used it during my bright spot. Ooh! Which I'll get to in a second.

Interesting. Okay. Do you have anything else? Because I could have used it during my bright spot. Oh Which I'll get to in a second interesting Okay, do you have anything else? Sorry, I realize that was almost cutting you off. No, I'm good Yeah, so my bright spot is my secret mission. Yes, I went to Pennsylvania. Yes You went to reading Pennsylvania and reading reading reading. I refuse to I do not acknowledge pronunciations at all anymore anybody from Britain who tells me that this is how it's supposed to be pronounced is wrong so I accept the same thing for America too I went there for the Alex Jones Tucker Carlson live show to take it all in experience it as like in person because I I knew we were

going to hear about it we're probably going to cover it sure I wanted to be able to tell you about the vibes I want to do a vibe check on it's good to have vibes it's good to not see it just through a computer screen sometimes so I could have read this book on the plane sure if you had yes that's you could have connective tissue I see that now so yeah I went I went for a real quick trip, flew into Pennsylvania and went to this stupid show. I came back. God, what a waste.

I mean, I don't know what to say. I admire you for the adventure. I don't envy you for the adventure. I am happy to be a middle-aged man who's staying at home with his dogs and wife. That's great. That does sound great. And it really wasn't that much of an adventure. Yeah.

I think that I got it in my head of this idea of it's happening. This may never happen again. True. It's falling apart pretty well for Alex in a lot of ways That could be pretty serious in the near future Yeah And the idea of Tucker doing an arena tour and having Alex on as a guest that's probably The odds of that happening again are pretty slim So I it just came into my head as a joke and then I couldn't not do it Yeah, I mean it was hard to have to have the follow-through

then I couldn't not do it. Yeah, I mean it was hard to... I had to have the follow through. So anyway, we're going to be talking about that today. Going to Pennsylvania to see the stupid show and then covering the stupid show. Yeah, we can't... What I just... I don't want to... I don't even know how to say it because we're a radio format, but my man, your mustache

is radiant, if you will so it is Fantastical I should I should explain that In in order to go I wanted to go in disguise incognito So what I decided to do was I decided to shave just my chin right so I'd have the chop stash Yes, the chop stash, and I go upstairs And I thought like well, no one will know recognize me like this No one did recognize me actually no like you know but I

Met up with friend of the show Amanda or there Yeah, go to the show and we were walking down the street outside the venue the first person I saw was somebody with a chop stash Welcome home, brother! I picked my outfit like perfectly. I fit right in. That's awesome. But yeah, since I've shaved the sides, now I just have the handlebar mustache. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it looks good. You sent me a picture before you went and I think you meant it as a joke. Sort of. Like genuinely. Or you know, 50-50. You know what? In hindsight, I'm not sure if it was a joke yeah I mean it surprisingly looks pretty good it's like oh yeah that fits on you

this handlebar mustache my plan with it is I saw a movie with Sam Elliott in it yeah I'd have been ghostwriter sure ghostwriter ghostwriter not ghostwriter yeah yeah and I noticed that he's got this Western look of like the beard a little bit shorter than the mustache. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, that looks good. That is a good look. So I wanna try that.

Yeah. That old timey like, oh, you have a mustache, but you know, it's the old West, so it's been five days since you shaved, so you got the beard mustache. Yeah, that's great. Look, grizzled as fuck. That's what I'm shooting for now.

Yeah, yes, more grizzle, please.. Yeah Sam Elliott, but I'm a podcaster You know what I thought that Sam Elliott being the greatest bouncer in the history of the world was badass But now that I know he could do a podcast. It's a cooler. That's shit. So Jordan today We're gonna talk about this but first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new woks. That's a great idea. So first, Dunky the Diaper Warrior who just turned one. Thank you so much, Jordan. I apologize, Wok.

I'm a policy wok. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Dan and Jordan should go on the Blank Check podcast to discuss the David Lynch version of Dude and How Much Alex Jones Quotes It and the other works of Frank Herbert. Thank you so much, Jordan. I apologize, Wok. I'm a policy wok.

Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I'd love a shout out to just Sam. Doesn't even have to be me. Let's just say it's Sam who runs HR at my company. I get all her emails. I shouldn't see so she can get my shout out. Thank you so much, you're now a Policy Wonk. I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we get a Technicrad in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Alex, you're the best chosen brother I could have ever asked for. And I love you, Zoe. Thank you so much to Alex, you're the best chosen brother I could have ever asked for and I love you Zoe. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much. Thank you very much. I'm guessing that wasn't Alex Jones. I don't believe so. Okay Well, we'll never know. I mean it's possible. So I went to this event Like I said multiple times already. It was stupid. Yep And we will cover that show. But there was also a little thing that Alex and Tucker did before the show. Okay. Which was Alex trying to interview him for his show. Right. Gotcha. That makes sense. Double up. Yeah, we're there. We're in the same space might as well shoot an extra

half hour content. We're at the hotel in Lancaster. Oh my god. And so let's let's go ahead and shoot a little video. Let's do it. So here's where that begins. With only 43 days, that's a thousand hours to the most important election in world history. I know it's a cliche, but it's really happening now. Everybody can feel it and see it. We're with America's favorite populist journalist, Tucker Carlson Tucker.

Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for having me. in your hotel suite here in whatever city we're in Pennsylvania. At a secret location I saw him in the restaurant ran over and stalked him and said you got to come up before you go to your big event tonight. He said sure I'll give you a few minutes so Tucker wow a lot of serious stuff going on you want to kind of repeat what you were just saying before we started taking her for pretty powerful stuff.

First of all it's not my event. It's your event tonight. And I can't wait in ready Pennsylvania. But no, I was just saying, I'm reading, we're just discussing the news. And, you know, you can feel that evil is on the march, actually. So I left the Tucker event with a few very strong impressions. But none of them were as clear and as vivid as how much this man overuses actually as a catchphrase. He uses it like a punctuation mark at the end of sentences, the way that some people used to do with literally. It's just a rhetorical technique that he's using to try to emphasize the things he's saying, but taken as a word that it means something,

what Tucker is conveying is something along the lines of, I really mean this. His use of actually is meant to augment sentences that sound extreme, or like metaphors, to assure the viewers that he actually means what he's saying. Evil really is on the march, this isn't just flowery language that I'm using for shock value. Tucker says actually so many times, and so condescendingly that I was tempted to make a supercut of every time he did it throughout the event But then I realized that it didn't matter. We'd be recording tomorrow, but then I did it anyway. Oh god Actually, I was disgusted by it actually and actually I fished here a lot hurting like actually Our leaders did that actually damn. Damn you, actually.

There's no love, actually. Actually. It's a beautiful town, actually. And they're not zombies, actually. You're evil, actually. They're violence worshipers, actually. You can't be dick-chainy, actually. Sorry, it's not allowed.

They don't do anything, actually. Animals don't commit genocide, actually. So it's a little bit annoying. He's a little bit of it's While I was sitting there watching the show. I was like oh my god again This is a lot. You know who everybody loved in junior high the kid who was like well actually it's not what you say It's what I say it really makes him come off cool Yeah, and like I want to hang out with everybody was like, Oh man, being around you is so enjoyable and fun when we don't get to say or enjoy things. Actually.

So what Tucker is saying there in the clip though, uh, when he's talking to Alex is true. This show is not really a Tucker event. It's meant to launder his guests, uh, to the Fox news generation viewers that came along with Tucker after he got fired and went along to this new endeavor. Many of the people who are on his show are selected specifically because they're the people who Tucker needs to convince the audience aren't that bad. Like Alex or Kid Rock or Russell Brand. This is about creating a new media ecosystem and an important part of that is viewter the viewers don't get a bad view of various figures We're gonna play into that ecosystem. The show is about selling Alex. So Tucker exists on it in that capacity It's it's not a Tucker show It's a Tucker presents kind of situation where where you want to be like this guy is the prophet. Yeah. Yeah, great

Yeah, he's not actually I don't think he's buttering up Alex. I think he's that's for real, you know This is this is your show. Yeah, I mean I believe that it's a it's a little bit Boy, how do you how do you launder? What would be the historical comparison for laundering a guy like this? like like the Romanovs trying to launder a God now, I can't remember the name Yes, yeah, yeah, like Romanovs bringing out recipe like Pretty fun when you hang out with them. Yeah looking like a fucking demon walking out. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I could see that Yeah, I I don't know but I think that Tucker really needs to bank on Alex not being around much longer

Wants this whole game to work out sure it's really inconvenient for Alex to continue to Do his show and continue to be around because he's gonna keep making all these bullshit stupid predictions that don't end up happening Right, and you're gonna have to be like, oh wait wait Maybe this guy's not a prophet. Maybe he's an asshole. So you think Tucker's trying to like Vampirically suck out the very last drops of juice that Alex has got I yeah kind of Mean no it makes sense if you're a vampire. That's what you do if he's not this is insane Any other motivation does not make sense that is that is a great Sherlock quote is like well obviously vampires are real because otherwise this human being is a fucking lunatic yeah Occam's razor tells me he must be trying to do something vampire

like so uh Tucker uh talks about how he's not worried uh he has hope he gotta have hope um and i was just saying, we're saying, oh, what's gonna happen to the election? We're talking about it off camera. And of course, I don't know. I'm always wrong in my predictions, but I have a strong feeling of hope and I'm not afraid at all.

I don't know why. Because I think victory is coming and by victory, I mean specifically the victory of the human spirit over the machine, which is trying to crush it, which is anti-human, and non-human, I would say. But I'm not afraid for some reason, I'm not exactly sure why.

It's like I'm so rich or something, but I'm not afraid, I'm not. But I'm not afraid because I feel on some deep animal level that these people just aren't gonna win. I mean, there may be short-term victories, I don't know, but there will be no long-term victories for these people Tucker has every reason to have hope he's way richer than he's pretending to be and he's managed to create a new space for himself Outside of Fox News that's gonna be profitable if Trump wins or loses

No matter what he's gonna make a lot of money and that's got to feel pretty good For most of his career Tucker was a partisan hack on cable news entertainment shows. He got paid by the network to say stuff that would get attention and viewers, which all worked in a really good balance for many years. When Bush was in office, he was on the side of the power and mostly defended policies and rationalized why things were going. They were going as well as they could. We've got to cut them on some slack.

Yeah, yeah. When Obama was in office, he was the opposition party and attacked proposed policies and demanded that everything needed to be going better. Tucker was good at playing the game because he was a particularly interesting blend of smart and vapid and he made it about as far as he could playing that game. But signing up with Trump had its consequences. He got huge ratings, so Tucker thought he was bulletproof, treating all the people around him like shit, and doing patently libelous broadcasts about the 2020 election.

He got fired by Fox, and then the whole structure of the game went away that he was playing for his entire career. Tucker feels hope now because he's decided to play his own game, free of the rules he's been restrained by before and it's worked He's found the Holy Grail an audience that doesn't have any standards at all so long as you make them feel good If I were him I'd feel great and hopeful too. He doesn't believe all this shit about literal demons nipping at everybody's feet He's just found people who will give him tons of money to pretend to be worried about that And I don't know how a con man could be in a more hopeful situation. Yeah

It's yeah, it really pisses you off that these are the same people who think sex workers should be illegal Mm-hmm, you know because I see very little difference between the two. Mm-hmm. Yeah I mean, you know in terms of you make people feel good for money. Yeah I mean, yeah I don't see much difference there. I think that in my experience, sex workers don't often have supplement lines. Yeah. Again, they're better people.

So Tucker gets into complaining about probably the thing that carries him through the whole day. Yeah. Is in this interview and then later on the show He's gonna complain about it and that was that he saw a picture of Zelensky signing a bomb With Josh Shapiro Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro. Okay, we're with him at a photo op. Okay, he wasn't signing it Josh Okay, okay signing it Josh Shapiro. Okay. Okay. Although it would be interesting. That would be a new one. So talk or complaints about that. Okay. Well I just saw a photograph of Josh Shapiro who's the governor of Pennsylvania was evil. I'm not saying that lately. Um, with Zelensky

who was campaigning for Kamala Harris and Democrats using US military aircraft to get around using our tax dollars. Here in Pennsylvania right now. He's campaigning right now in the key swing state today as we speak. And I saw Josh Shapiro signing artillery shells with his name that are going to kill Russians in a war that we have not declared against Russia. It will kill civilians. And I thought, evil is just open.

Can you imagine signing an artillery shell that's going to be we'll kill civilians. And I thought, evil is just open. Can you imagine signing an artillery shell that's gonna be used to kill civilians in a war that you're not even in? When it's the biggest nuclear power in the world, what'd you make of Biden going, yeah, we don't want the blame, but go ahead and use the storm shadows? So Zelensky visited an ammunition factory

in Scranton, Pennsylvania the day before this, and Tucker has decided that this was a Harris campaign event. This is something I think is kind of on the line. It makes total sense that Zelensky would visit this ammunition factory, and it doesn't have to be a partisan event. Because the Republican Party is very much in support of Russia and Putin, the only people who would tend to show up for an event like this would end up being Democrats.

The timing is iffy though, since the election is so close and Pennsylvania is a swing state so I can kind of understand having some complaints about that event happening at all. I kinda get it, but also Tucker's being a little dramatic and going overboard about this whole thing as a whole. Ehh, he interviewed Putin. Get out of here. I don't think I would necessarily defend the simple act of autographing a bomb, but I also don't think that's weird in wartime.

Like a bunch of people signed the atomic bomb Fat Man that ended up being dropped on Nagasaki. The problem isn't the signatures, it's the bombs. Yeah, yeah. Earlier this year, Nikki Haley wrote, Finish them on an artillery shell when she was in Israel. And in the sake of fairness, I do have to say that Tucker did complain about this, as well as her saying, finish them in a news interview that she did. Sure. I think it's less a case of intellectual consistency and more a matter of her being Trump's primary opponent at the time. Yeah. But you know, in the interest of fairness,

he did call that out as well. I mean, he did jerk off whenever Trump dropped to the Moab. True. Also, Biden has not approved Ukrainian use of storm shadow missiles I like to just making that up and hiding behind weird qualified language in order to pretend. That's what's happening So it's weird. Yeah But you know, I guess if you're in Pennsylvania and you see this picture of people signing a bomb sure Got your that's all you need That's all the fuel you need for the day And you see this picture of people signing a bomb. Sure. But hey, got your... That's all you need. I mean...

That's all the fuel you need for the day? Getting real angry? You know... I guess it makes sense for everybody to do what it is that they are doing from where they began. You know, like all the things that they chose that led them to this point. But if I'm just sitting there, like not knowing all of the details,

and I just saw this, I'd be like, all of you need to stop whatever it is you're doing and go do anything else. Because what this is, is stupid. Yeah. I do think that I am unfortunately positioned to have seen this show because I understand a lot of the like, I get what they're talking about, you know, but it's truly dumb. Yeah, this is truly dumb. If you just look at it as like, like you're saying from an external standpoint. It's like this is stupid. Yeah, it's just like, I get how everybody got here.

That's the problem. Everybody stop, everybody just sit down, like heads up, seven up. Can we play heads up, seven up for like an hour? And then by the time everybody's done, we'll have figured it out. We took 100 wrong turns. And each of those wrong turns kind of felt like,

eh, maybe we're not that far off course. But now we're here, and this town is not where we were heading. So far away. This is bad. This is bad. So Tucker talks about how his enemies, the problem with them is that they delight in killing. Sure, they do.

They revel in murder. That would be a problem. Just the delight they take in killing and in blood, I mean, it tells you exactly who they are. These people are thrilled by the idea of ending human life. They worship abortion, they worship war, they worship euthanasia, they worship killing other human beings. And maybe it's just my age or something, but I've never seen it with the clarity I see

it with now. And I see it as just undisgu something, but I've never seen it with the clarity I see it with now. And I see it as just undisguised evil, which is what they are. Why do you think the death cult is so undisguised now? Probably a combination of factors. They are afraid. They understand they don't have the consent of the people they govern.

So the democracy talk is not only ridiculous. It's the opposite of the truth. It's not democracy, of course. And I think they know that and it makes them nervous. I get that Zelensky signing a bomb is a tough image for Tucker, but he needs to stop pretending that the people he supports aren't just as bloodthirsty and violent as the people he's critiquing. His savior Trump took out an ad in the paper calling for the execution of the Central Park

Five in 1989 and hasn't been particularly chill since then. I know that people remember that Trump paid to publish that open letter, but it's easy to forget what he wrote. From that letter, titled, quote, bring back the death penalty, bring back our police. Quote, Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and when they kill they should be executed for their crimes.

They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence. Yes Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I'm not looking to psychoanalyze or understand them, I'm looking to punish them. If the punishment is strong, the attacks on innocent people will stop." He wasn't calling for some preferred policy, he was expressing a deep desire for revenge against five dudes who were wrongly convicted of crimes that they'd later be exonerated for.

We could spend all day going over all the threats Trump's has made reveling in violence and blood he threatened to obliterate obliterate Iran bring fire and fury to North Korea and he wanted to nuke hurricanes, which doesn't seem like a problem for Tucker He's a Not thirsty for any violence. Yeah, that's because the complaint that he's making isn't sincere Tucker's complaint is not real No, no, I mean the French aristocracy were very much like, ah, this rabble. They're so violent. Now stab him. Stab him. Stab him some more. I just think that this would come off a little bit more sincere if the person that he defended and supported wasn't a complete lunatic bent on violence.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean it is so wild sometimes because it's like if it weren't Trump you could see them getting away with it so much easier. You know like with Bush. It's more believable if it's Ron Paul. Totally.

It's totally more believable if it's anybody else but when it's Trump it's like guys it is too obvious You can't launder this this is insane I get I get what you're doing with the demon stuff and it's fun. We get it. Totally get it Everybody's I know we would be on board so No, also here's the issue too that no one worships any of the stuff that Tucker is whining about here Here's the issue too, that no one worships any of the stuff that Tucker is whining about here.

Ironically, all of those things that he brings up are issues that Tucker's on the side that opposes self-ownership and autonomy about, like euthanasia and reproductive health care. The reason he has to pretend that people support those things because they love death is that if he didn't, he'd have to deal with the issues like a rational adult and he couldn't maintain his positions. It's impossible for him to justify the state telling you that you don't have the right to end your own life on your own terms and simultaneously pretend that he's so mad about the government controlling your life. You know, like, he can't complain about regulation and be like, yeah, well, you know.

Yeah, it does. Mufanasia is impossible to... Yeah, well, they, you know, euthanasia is possible. Yeah, I mean, it does feel like once you start calling for a theocracy, but then, like, the trick is even if you don't call for a theocracy, but you purely base everything on theology, then you're never held accountable to either. You're never held accountable to what should the law be or like, okay? Okay, fine. We're doing your theology. Are we are we doing your theology? Yeah, hold yourself accountable that they never have to do either Yeah, it makes me think of a little bit later Tucker says like I'm not a I'm not I'm not a politics guy

I'm an ideal. It's like go fuck yourself Everything you're talking about is politics. You hosted Crossfire. Actually. Shut the fuck up, dweeb. Jesus Christ. So on the subject of reveling in violence, Alex remembers the story that he always tells about Richard Pearl, the merchant of death. The merchant of death.

Or something of death. Angel of death, I don't know. Anyway, that guy, fun fact, maybe friends with Tucker. Sure! Quick story, and I gotta go, one of those few more questions, turn to be gracious. I remember it was the New York Times article, and it was a Washington Post back in the middle of the second Gulf War, it was like 2006 or so,

and Richard Pearl, they call him the Prince of Darkness, we have 400 pounds, can't even find his ass, but he definitely can get a woman. He sidles up, back when there were times of still told truth occasionally, to a bunch of gorgeous female reporters, and they ignore him, and he goes, don't you know who I am? And he says, I kill a lot of people.

They went, ugh. I mean, imagine, ugh. The job is, I kill a lot of people. And Obama, ugh. I mean, imagine, ugh. The job was, I kill a lot of people. And Obama, you know, I'm really good at killing people with Predator drones. And the guy probably couldn't win a fist fight. There's something inherently sick and twisted and also stunted about that.

Oh, I remember Paul Wolf was very, very well early in the war on territory. He pulled a GWAT showing up in some country that had supposedly some Islamist militia that was going to go to the scene. And he was carrying in a shoulder holster a 45, a 1911-style handgun. And I was like, which I shoot for fun. And I'm like, wow, that's a 45.

Just pull a stone and a bullet comes out of it. And I remember thinking, he doesn't need that. He just turns him on to dress up like a cowboy or he's guarded by black water. No, a hundred percent. This is all a lot of fun for them, I'm sure, but this conversation is pretty fucking stupid in context. Alex has done multiple shows with a giant gun on his desk

and frequently discusses weapons in highly erotic terms. If Tucker really has a problem with people sensualizing violence or guns, he's sitting next to possibly the biggest offender in that realm. Plus, I know that Alex only half remembers this story that he loves to tell about Richard Pearl, but does he not remember that Tucker was a huge advocate for the Bush administration? Like on November 11, 2001, Tucker was hosting crossfire and Richard Pearl was his guest. Pearl was asked where the US should attack after Afghanistan in order to further the war on terror.

Pearl replied, quote, My candidate is Iraq because Saddam Hussein is very dangerous. He has weapons of mass destruction that he's used in the past. Tucker replied, quote, It seems to me that the case for taking out Saddam Hussein is pretty straightforward. He has, as Mr. Pearl said, weapons of mass destruction. We know he would like to use them against us. Why wait until he does? Consider it this way.

If you had a neighbor who was heavily armed, a gun nut, and he was making threats against you and you called the police and said, My heavily armed neighbor is making threats against me, they wouldn't say, Well heavily armed neighbor is making threats against me. They wouldn't say, Well, he's popular with the other neighbors. We're going to leave him there. No, they would arrest him immediately. They would take preemptive action. Why shouldn't we do the same with Saddam?

The other guest on the show was suggesting that we take a more cautious approach to which Pearl said, quote, hearts and minds and messages are fine. I want to get Saddam Hussein before he gets us. You know, we're not going to protect this country by winning hearts and minds and messages are fine. I want to get Saddam Hussein before he gets us. You know, we're not going to protect this country by winning hearts and minds when there are people like Saddam Hussein. Tucker's response, quote, get him before he gets us. Well expressed by Mr. Pearl. I think it was put another way even more profoundly by Donald Rumsfeld earlier today. Later in the episode, Tucker and his co-host Bill Press were arguing about preemptively killing terrorists.

Press felt that even terrorists deserved a day in court, which Tucker was super against. Discussing the prospect of trying Bin Laden in court, Tucker said, quote, at what cost? He goes to trial, the jurors are killed, people are kidnapped, more terrorist acts are committed in the name of freeing him. He has a platform for spewing his garbage for months, if not years. It's ludicrous. He doesn't deserve a protection. He doesn't deserve a jury trial or protection of our Constitution."

Press replied, quote, You know what the cost is? The cost is we show the world who we are. We show the world that we have a system of justice that depends on evidence. Tucker said, quote, that we're stupid and naive and soft-hearted and worthy of their attacks. Tucker was compatriots with Richard Pearl, and he argued for the War on Terror with a passion that he would now probably call bloodlust. And then, when it didn't go well, he changed his mind. By 2004, he told the New York Observer, quote, I think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it

It's something I'll never do again never now I got convinced by a friend of mine who's smarter than I am and I shouldn't have done that so smart even in his backpedaling About his fervent cheerleading for war. He has to insist that secretly deep down He was actually right about this whole thing He was only wrong because he listened to the smart friend of his. See, it turns out that not only was he right all along despite doing the wrong thing. Right. Embarrassingly in public.

And, and, and not just that, but the person that he was looking to as somebody who was smarter is actually now dumber than him also. So not only is he right all along and morally righteous despite having done all of the terrible things. It's so good. He's also coming out the smartest man in this whole thing. It's so wild how great that is. Who would have thought?

It's crazy. If you were opposed to a global war and supported aggressively in the media because some smart friend of yours told you to, you're a fucking idiot and you shouldn't be trusted. If you're actually for the war and were for the war, but realize that now it's unpopular to have had that position so you come put the story about how some smart friend convinced you to support it aggressively in the media, you're a fucking coward and I don't care.

You're just a dumb shit. Also Alex employs former Blackwater contractors as his security now and he currently supports Eric Prince creating a private army for Trump. These two dudes are so full of shit that they can't even stay connected to the reality that they've created for themselves to play in. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's not fair.

No! It's cheating. It's frankly, it's cheating. Paul Wolf and the two used Blackwater. I mean, it is so much like, man, it is, sometimes whenever I listen to this, is like oh god if we had just held I Know teams just to hold everybody accountable for Iraq just everybody I don't even care if they were involved everybody the whole place

You name it. Where are we the veterans hall hold them accountable for Iraq shit? Where are we the bowling alley hold them accountable for Iraq? I don't even know who you bowled too well Exactly that is what that's they hated us for our Sure, knock them down. So they hate us for our pitcher specials But it is just like this is what happens when you don't hold anybody accountable for this shit. Like he gets to get away with being on every side and still getting paid for it. Yeah. And now we're here. I think that there is a point to that. And I think also there is a problem of accountability. And that is that Tucker's not taking accountability for what he engaged

in during the war. He is pretending that, oh, I've taken, you know, I was wrong, you know, like that. It's nominally, on the surface, it presents as if it's a correction. But he's still like, when he turned around, he was blaming some smart friend for convincing him This is not accountability. It's it's it's dodging that in the name of saving the brand. Yeah, and that's just disgusting yeah, so Tucker talks about how the media wanted to ask him about his About his tour sure and he made some jokes. Oh, did he he's a jokester. He's funny. He's so funny He's so I got actually the text today from Jeremy Barr at the Washington Post When it was in political before I read the Washington Post in high school, you know every day

1985 was reading the Washington Post and the Washington Post is just like so discredited and totally irrelevant owned by the richest man in the world Jeff Bezos and he texted me and he's like I've been following your tour, I went to a couple stops, do you have comment on your tour? And I said, yeah, I mean, my goal is world domination and stripping basic human rights from the trans community. Like, that's why I'm here. And I just said that to him. I was like, please quote me.

I mean, God's like, I just don't care. I'm gonna write that anyway, I might as well tell him. Yep, the point is global fascist takeover and the elimination of the basic human rights of the trans community, because they think that. I don't care what they think. I'm not trying to win them over.

And I guess my advice to politicians would be, follow suit, mock them. It doesn't matter what you say. They're gonna write the same piece. No one's gonna read it. The people who hate you already hate you. The people who are open-minded wouldn't read the Washington Post out of there,

because they know it's a joke. And so don't give them respect, hoist the middle finger at every possible opportunity, or more effectively just laugh at them, yeah. Because the only relevance they have is the relevance we give them. I don't say that from a power trip position, that's why they want a censor us and put us in jail.

Oh my God. So why would you ever feed them I don't say that from a power trip position. That's why they want a censor us and put us in jail. I mean, of course. So why would you ever feed them what they want, which is respect or deference or fear? They want you to fear them? Hey, Jeremy Barth, the Washington Post, I don't care what you think. I stopped responding five or six years ago because every time I did, they just acted like they talked to me

to build some fantasy. Well, why not just say my goal? By the way, just for the record. I Don't like power. I don't want power. I don't like anyone or trust anyone who wants power So that's my view power sure thing man So I get what Tucker's going for here, but he sounds like a fucking dweeb The point is supposed to be that the media is hysterical that he wants to attack trans rights So it doesn't matter what he actually says to them, that's what they're going to say no matter what. The problem is that Tucker actually does want to restrict trans rights, and most of the

stuff the media accuses him of supporting is stuff he very loudly and clearly supports. When he tells a reporter that his tour is about restricting trans rights, that's not a joke. It's not like all that the tour is about and he definitely wants to hurt other people too. But telling this reporter that is not like it's not making a joke out of the media's hysterical picture of Tucker. What it is is Tucker encouraging people to just speak freely. Stop hiding your bigotry because you're worried that the media will rightly characterize it. It doesn't matter anymore because shame is dead.

Tucker is right, but he's lying about his intentions because he wants to sound cool. Yeah, I mean, the joke is how toothless they are. The joke is like, yeah, that's exactly what I am going to do. Write it. You think that when you write it and you tell people, you will be able to have an effect on me, and you have failed in that, and you refuse to acknowledge it it so you're a waste you're useless you're a waste well which is right it's kind of the uh warped version of people being like yeah we worship the devil yeah whenever they were into metal yeah yeah yeah but like they're into worshiping the devil if they were yeah that would be this but most of them weren't

we were just murder people well yeah but you them weren't. We fucking murder people. Well, yeah, but you do murder people. Yeah, but we murder people. That's not a joke, but we murder people. No! Aren't you people so extreme with your characterizations of us as murderers? Also, we murder people.

No, but I mean, the thing that's funny is that the joke is, what are you gonna do about it? Nothing. No, yeah, that is you gonna do about it? Nothing. No, yeah, that is the subtext of Tucker's joke. Is, what if I just yelled the N-word on stage? It gives a shit. What are you gonna do about it? Nothing.

Loser. So trans people apparently are possessed, and they feel really bad for them. Trans people, it's like some weird thing. They just made up. Like the amount of time I spend during an average day worrying about the trans community. I feel sorry for those people.

What they're doing is not making it up. They're victims of a cult. They are. They're possessed. Let me say one last thing, if you don't mind. Please. Which is, so we're doing this event in the biggest stadium in this part of Pennsylvania tonight with

Alex Jones on the bill and I will say you know Hello trouble finding a venue because sure she's so scary can't imagine why they had a difficult time finding a venue these shitheads Wild so the Santander Arena is where this took place and it's the 32nd largest arena in Pennsylvania Okay It's not the largest in the area, like Allentown is about 40 minutes away and they have the PPL center that seats about 3,000 more people. Some of those bigger stadiums that you know the 31 bigger ones are sports exclusive venues, so you can't really include those in this tally, but Santander Arena in Reading, Pennsylvania,

if that's your first choice and you're Tucker, something is wrong. The image is that he's much bigger than this. If you're having Alex Jones on, why the fuck isn't it somewhere in Texas? He has zero connection to Pennsylvania and it really screams of this is the only place that said yes. All of that is fine. I get it. They're oppressed and times are hard for people who yell about how trans people are

possessed. I think Santander Arena is a fine venue, but the problem is that they definitely didn't sell it out. If you're going to do a show at a 7,000 seat arena in a B slash C market when you're Tucker Carlson and your guest is Alex Jones, you better sell that thing out. We couldn't fill an arena if our lives depended on it, but for Tucker, it's embarrassing. Like, it was, it was notable. I think if our lives depended on it, we could fill an arena, but only under those circumstances. At great expense to ourselves, because we'd have to wrangle people to come in for free or something like that. Wrong, wrong, wrong. If we are under threat of murder, have a show But if it doesn't sell out by the beginning of it our heads will be cut off

That was a show that that was kind of the premise of a show I did when I first moved to Chicago I I got a bar to agree to let me do a show sure and they said that you can do it if you bring in $1,000 in bar sales the first night. Wow! And so I called it the $1,000 company show. Nice, nice. How did it go?

Did not hit that mark. Nope. But we did get a couple hundred dollars in bar sales. Damn. And so when I talked to the bar owner afterwards, or like the next day, I was like, hey, did we make the mark? Are we gonna be able to do a second one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He pretended he had no idea what I was talking about heard of you before my I've never met you kid Really just tried to put a fight here. No he was fine with us doing more He pretended that he never said the thousand dollar thing that's smart. It's really just trying to light a fire under that smart Just all right motivations motivation. I like it that show did not work out. Mm-hmm, so They didn't sell out. Sure. But Tucker says that they did.

You know, I had a little trouble finding a venue because people were like, Alex Jones, he's so scary. Sold it out, like immediately. And I don't think that anybody tonight at that event will think, wow, Alex Jones is crazy. But no, Alex Jones is like way ahead of his time. There's not anything, I'm just guessing that that you're going to say tonight that is particularly radical or far off the mark or not sort of obvious at this point.

You were way ahead of your time, decades ahead of your time. I think you deserve credit for that, just on fairness grounds, and I am determined that you get it. I feel bad. Yeah, he feels bad that Alex hasn't been given a fair shake. Fairness grounds are... no, I get it. Fairness Grounds, yeah. What a big man.

Fairness Grounds! No, Fairness Grounds! So Tucker is absolutely lying about selling out the show, let alone selling it out immediately. I checked the site the night before the show and there's still hundreds of seats available. And it's not resale tickets either. These were first time purchase tickets. There are probably 700 or so empty seats, which isn't awful, but that's like 10% of the venue. As for whether or not

anyone walked away from the event thinking Alex said some crazy stuff. That's anyone's guess. When I got back to my hotel, I did overhear three people talking next to the elevators and I didn't eavesdrop on them long. But what I heard was one of them saying they had no idea what Alex was talking about and that you kind of just have to convince yourself to believe him because he has so much deep information in his head that it's driven him to the point where he sounds crazy.

I suspect that there were a fair amount of people rationalizing his performance that way, but that was the only review that I got from a random person. I like that, I like that. Give in, give in. Subsume yourself. Yeah, yeah. Profits would sound crazy, totally.

Yeah, fair enough. All right, man. Sure. I suppose abolish all responsibility for everyone. Yeah, said too many things for me to fact check, so I'm just gonna be like, hmm. I do, I mean, it's a good lie though. It's a good lie if you're Tucker because that is the thing that the WAPO people will do.

Like for Tucker is you just say, ah, we sold it out immediately because it sounds like maybe he could. It sounds like maybe it'd be reasonable for him to. So that's one of those things where it's like you can't fact check 100% of everything. So then the writer at the WAPO will be like, like, I'll cut this corner and he'll just write, sold it out immediately. And that's a good perception to spread. And I don't want to be a dick about this.

Like there were a lot of people there. You know, I'm not trying to shit on it on that front. And I think that it's entirely possible that Tucker would have no idea what the ticket sales were entirely. Someone could have told him that they sold out or whatever. Like some aide might've told him that they sold out or whatever like some aid might have told him That so I don't know. I don't know if he's intentionally lying or if it's just a lie based on him not having the information

Yeah, that's convenient. Yeah, and it doesn't matter to him. What is it? What does it matter? That what matters is the perception that people think he sells it out, right? I don't think any of his shows have sold Yeah, it doesn't matter if he makes that but but like when we sell a show out it's like, that's a... We also will choose a venue that's within our range. Sure, that's definitely true. So anyway, I mentioned earlier that Tucker's not political, he's ideological. He's ideological.

Completely different. And this is where that comes up. What do you think will happen, this is a big question so we don't really have time, give they silly life from Trump? I mean I don't know. I have a lot of theories about that. Usually my, again my political predictions are wrong because I know my brain is not very political and more ideological.

So I usually get it wrong. I just keep going back to what I believe, and that is that I have two duties, that we all have two duties. And the first is to fight as hard as we can, non-violently, for what we think is true. Tell the truth. Inspire others to tell the truth. Be brave. Okay, that's our first duty. And our second duty is to be hopeful. Faith, hope, and love. Like we're required to be hopeful. And they want and love like we're required to be hopeful and they want to make us despondent they want to humiliate us and make us feel hopeless that's why they put like a retard in as the president's spokeswoman you know so we can look at her and be like

oh this country sucks it's not even worth defending Katrina, jump here like if she's the spokesman clearly none of this is worth it. I know you know this yeah he's well read and most you are too but I'm gonna dig it up I remember a Bloomberg article about 15 years ago there's been some others where I think that headlines you probably pull this out but I feel like in the web not taking a news search. Davos meets and says technocrats should run countries not presidents prime minister something like that and in the article they say we are discrediting nation-states with our agenda and our control and then it's going to demonize the nation state. With that all falls, we'll get full control. So they're literally running our

countries and knowing we're going to blame our governments for that, basically, cultural civil wars. And then they come in and pick up the pieces. Can you speak to that briefly? Oh, it's so obvious. I walked down the street of the city where I lived, a really pretty little city, totally defiled and degraded by its leaders of garbage all over the street. This is all blowhard nonsense from Tucker that sounds good, but doesn't actually translate to any real duties. If he had a duty to tell the truth, he would have a duty to learn more about the people

he's promoting as great leaders and truth tellers, and he would have an obligation to never speak to Alex again. If he had a duty to the truth, he would watch a little more of Alex's show to determine whether he's actually a prophet, or if his team is just pretty good at selectively editing the thousands of hours he rambles on air. I have no idea exactly what article Alex is talking about here in Bloomberg, but I'm guessing it's an opinion piece, probably about how techn technocrats style leaders were appointed in Italy and Greece Sure in 2011 sure as the countries tried to deal with the fallout of the financial crisis of 2008 2009 sure

I think it's probably this yeah, there were articles in Time magazine with headlines like quote who what why? What can technocrats achieve that politicians can't these op-eds were exploring the pros and cons of a more technocratic leadership as compared to politicians. Most of the articles I can find reach the conclusion that it's a mixed bag. Who would have guessed? Yeah, so Alex says this article from Bloomberg is 15 years ago, so I don't know exactly what he's talking about, but in 2017 they published an article titled quote Why some nations are warming to technocracy? Which covered a new survey from the Pew Research Center and discussed its findings.

That headline could lead someone to think that they're somewhat warm or neutral about technocrats. So you could get the idea that that reflects the editorial tone at Bloomberg. But then, in 2018, they published a piece titled, quote, we need to stop giving technocrats so much power, which is an article about recent comments made by a former Bank of England official named Paul Tucker. It was critical of technocratic leadership and argued in favor of more regulation. So maybe these publications are just posting things that if you take the headline out of, you can't

characterize correctly. Yeah. Maybe Alex is an idiot. That could be. Yeah. So anyway, you got duties. I So here's what I was thinking while Tucker was talking I respect duties. Mm-hmm Everybody has duties. Walk past the duty free shop. Everybody. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I understand that I was thinking about how like rich sons during the like, you know like rich sons during the like, you know, 14 to 1700s would often find themselves captaining a boat. You know, they would, if you were rich, then you'd get a boat and the boat would be how you got richer. You know, you shipped places and you did stuff. Makes sense. Right? And then all the stories written about mutinies were always like, ah, the mutineers were so mean to the captain who is such a good guy, super

cool. And it was like, nobody who mutinied could read or write. So it's odd that all these stories are from a very anti-mutineer perspective, almost as though they were written by rich sons, a lot of them. And, and, and, and I just think and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and It makes me think so when I looked at myself in the mirror with this handlebar mustache Yeah, the first thing that came to mind was Diedrich Bader in office Yeah, and I was like, yeah Tucker on that boat would be like I reckon you get your ass kicked you You bet you're going overboard wrong spot wrong spot to do this Do you have a duty to fight as hard as you can and have some hope yeah? And then I guess also a duty to be cheerful

Which is sure as you whistle while you work or something like that Your duty is to be hopeful. That's your duty. It's not just like some side benefit of good news It's like you're required to wake up every morning and determined to be hopeful and cheerful It's like you're required to wake up every morning and determined to be hopeful and cheerful because you know how it ends, which is in a great way. So I'm not gonna be deterred from hope, no matter what they do, no matter how many retards they put in as the politician spokesman number,

how much garbage they allow to accumulate on the street. That was the slur jar notification. Yeah, this is reality, this is the obvious, we gotta go. The CIA, the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, wasn't classified in the 90s. Look this up, look up CIA-funded ugly art, CIA-funded ugly architecture. And it's actually in plans to have garbage and filth

and not enforce stuff on low-level criminals to create ugliness, and then that debilitates the mind, and then you accept higher forms of tyranny. Same thing in Europe, this is a formula. Of course it's a formula, but they're not going to break my spirit. I don't care what they do to me. What a hero. So Alex is making all this up, but it's based on a real thing where the CIA promoted abstract expressionist painting in the United States as part of the Cold War.

They believe that homegrown artistic movements were a powerful propaganda tool, essentially making the argument that the Soviet Union was stagnant, it was uncreative, and the system wasn't artistically alive. We've talked about this in greater depth in the past, but essentially there was an office called the International Organizations Division that sponsored American art like some jazz artists and the Boston Symphony Orchestra. They also promoted abstract expressionism, which Alex has decided to mean that they wanted to force ugly art on the public to make them spiritually weak. It's all very stupid, but it's based on a twisting of a real fairly strange thing that

actually happened. So like, if you just kind of do a surface level Google on this, you'll probably be like, Oh my God, Alex is right. It's very dumb. I like the idea of- Tucker should know better. His dad worked for Voice of America. I like the idea of the intelligence services having a real clear understanding of the art world and appreciation they're in. You know, like, aha, well, we can't just tell people what's good-looking art and what's bad-looking art, so we gotta go to Terry over here, the CIA's resident art specialist. He's like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Get that motherfucker, man, go outta here. I don't need any of this shit. I was reading an article about this and it did make the point that at the time, the people who would've been in these offices in the CIA were largely rich people's kids who went to like Ivy League schools. People who get tossed off of a boat?

Yeah. Well, idle rich types who are the people who like care a ton about art. Yeah. A lot of it. Just insane. So like maybe they did have an over representation of people who had strong opinions about paintings. It would not surprise me.. It would not surprise me. It really would not surprise me.

Yeah. Yep. So anyway, Tucker knows better than all this. He's just letting Alex run. But he does say something that I thought was pretty powerful. Okay. And that is that he's not gonna let his emotions

be controlled by the media. Hmm. They're just tiny little reptiles. Like I just have no respect whatsoever for the Jeremy Barth, the Washington Post, and all this stuff. I don't have any respect for that. And so I'm not going to control my emotions. I am hopeful.

I have hope in greater things. And I don't care how badly you degrade the country, you're not going to turn me in to some hopeless robot, period. TuckerCarlson.com, are you going to add more dates? I know most of them are selling out, people love it. We're done. We've got 16, we've done 11, you're 12. You finish out the dozen, and we're really grateful

that you're doing it, thank you. But in the future someday, if we save the country, you're gonna have to do a victory turn. Oh yeah, I'm going around the world after this. All right. All right folks, TuckerCarlson.com, we'll see you at Infowars.com, and real Alex Jones. There's a certain irony that Alex is directing people to Infowars and his Twitter while there's

a decent chance he won't own those things in the near future. I don't know what's going to happen with the whole liquidation auction that has been going on, but there's a non-zero chance that he loses both of those things that he's plugging. It's funny that Tucker says that he's not going to let folks from the Washington Post control his emotions because I think that he's super emotionally affected by the fact that the mainstream doesn't respect him and he's had to chase down this new audience of folks like Alex. There are a few media figures that I see that seem more emotionally driven than Tucker himself. He is deeply emotional. He's a whiny little baby. Yes. Yeah. And again, these shows didn't sell out. The one with

JD Vance, the GOP nominee for vice president didn't even sell out. It's easy to get that impression if you go to Tucker's website because once a show is over, the website replaces the buy ticket button with one that says sold out. But I don't know if any of these actually sold out. We're recording this on the 26th, and tonight was supposed to be a show in Greenville, South Carolina, and it had to be cancelled because Hurricane Helen. Marjorie Taylor Greene was supposed to be on tonight.

Right. It got cancelled. Right. The last show of the tour is Saturday in Jacksonville with Donald Trump Jr., and there's still a ton of tickets available for that. This whole act that Alex and Tucker are doing doesn't work unless they pretend everything is sold out, which is why it's funny. If they would just place slightly smaller venues, they could easily sell them out, but

their egos don't allow that, so they swing for the fences and then leave a bunch of seats empty. Instead of accepting reality, they march forward, pretending they're at capacity and turning away thousands of people at the door because they're just that popular It's very funny. Yeah. Yeah the week the You know the black keys had the had the gumption to just cancel the tour and be like, you know What we really fucking miscalculated on this one are bad. Yeah, I bad are bad. Well, well, you know what we'll redo this We'll kind of regroup.'s a figure out where we're at in that then we'll go forward

Yeah We are not going to play to half empty arenas because that's somehow sadder than playing to five people in a fucking birthday party And I don't know about the other dates on this tour sure, but that was not the case with this Sure It was not so empty that you felt the emptiness sure or that like there was a reverb effect, right? Bouncing off walls are dark, but it was not full. Yeah, definitely So this is the end of the interview that they did in their hotel, right? And so this is where we'll sort of dive into the experience sure of this whole thing, right?

So I went to allentown or flew into allentown. Yeah, and then got to the show and Yeah, I don't know man How long how long did you have to say so you texted me around like five something like that saying we were in line mm-hmm You in front of the show Amanda. I assume yeah, how long were you in line for to get in? Well, it was interesting because the line was pretty long It was like you had to walk quite a ways to get to the end of the line sure but once the doors opened It was moving pretty smoothly like it wasn't that terrible It looked awful. It looked awful. Yes, okay looked

Disorganized and like people were just all over the place. The line had a chaoticness to it. But it did end up being managed kind of okay. I was overhearing conversations while I was in the line. Some of them were pretty scary. Kind of involved how demons were coming after the children. There were people that were trying to register people to vote in the line, but I didn't see anybody take them up on it.

So like, it was scary kind of the idea that this is a voting drive, but then no one was signing up that I saw. But one lady did thank them for doing it. Sure. That was fun. Yeah. It felt insane, but normal, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You were just in, you were in Crazy Town. And it turns out Crazy Town's fine. It's just that the walls are all pink and the sky is made of jelly beans. It's fine. There were tons of Infowars shirts. Yeah. That is definitely true.

Yeah, well, I mean, if there were ever going to be Infowars shirts anywhere in Pennsylvania, that would be the place. It was shocking. Yeah. I sometimes, because I listen to his show, Anywhere in Pennsylvania that would be the place it was shocking. Yeah, I Sometimes because I listen to his show lose sight of the fact that people like him, right? Right, right. I kind of was sitting there like this many

Fucking info wars shirts and these people probably don't live in Redding Yeah, you know so like if Alex did end up in an airport. I could see three people hugging him Yeah, you know like that kind of story that he tells her I don't believe in the there's a person who's like Insulting him and then starts crying because everyone loves him so much right that part of the story is bullshit, right? All right, but I could see Alex getting mobbed sure by the by folks. Yeah, cuz nobody's from there Yeah, nobody's going back home. They're going to where they were when they got here. Yeah, cuz nobody's from there. Yeah, nobody's going back home They're going to where they were when they got here. Yeah few people Yeah, yeah, I could see him ending up running into a bunch of fans at a hotel or something because it's reading right also

I think he stayed in Lancaster. So like he probably drove out of town, right because he doesn't want to see any of those people secret location, right so We get in to the venue and it's fine you know like one of the things I noticed was there's a lot of concessions which sure it was very exciting for sure. I soon as I got in there and I was like this is boring. I was like I'm gonna eat so much shit. Yeah yeah. So I ended up getting a big pretzel and then I accidentally knocked over my diet coke and I felt really eat so much shit. Yeah. Yeah, so I ended up getting a big pretzel And then I accidentally knocked over my diet coke and I felt really bad. So that stopped me from getting more food I you know what this is something that concerns me. This is something that concerns me

I had not really and genuinely considered the idea of like going to a Fucking what would it be a Lindbergh rally in like 1931 and them selling fucking pretzels. Well, it's being held at like a minor league hockey stadium. There's a nacho staff. Halfway through they're giving away tickets for the next game. No, it's all there. It all makes sense. But then you've got it wrapped around like, and then we gotta get rid of them.

You know, and you're like, wait, what? No! Back in the day, I would have been so excited by how many bars there were, essentially. You could have gotten so many beers all over the place. But instead, I was like, fucking pretzel, very exciting. I was very sad when Amanda went to go get some funnel cake and came back with the news that there were no funnel cakes

No, yeah, that was a real blow specific to this show or the venue entirely might have run out I didn't I didn't probe for details run it out of funnel cake batter That was where the night took a turn. This is how it is in breeding. Yeah, terrible. So we're in there and One of the things that I noticed was you know They talk a lot about how they're independent and like, you know, these corporate sponsors sure but they did right they were just weird There was like moms for America as a sponsor of the tour right parlor right social media site, right? There was a nyquil knockoff sure the head had a Histamine in it sure drowsy make that sleep. Hey make America sleep great again

I wish that we could just sell straight-out purple drink just fucking let's go. I mean it might as well be as a quill Yeah, yeah, let's just do it. There's a guy named Joe for Texas from Texas Joe from Texas I assume he's running for office, or he just Joe from Texas? He might be I like that. I realized that I meant to look into who he was. Yeah, and I don't care. You can't he's just Joe from Texas He could be any number of Joe's from Texas. What if it is all of the Joe's of Texas together? Saying one thing he had a crazy bushy gray mustache and a cowboy and of course he did he was a hit Also Tucker played a commercial promoting his new nicotine pouch brand what yeah, he has a nicotine pouch wait wait what yeah? He has a nicotine pouch brand. It's called Alp. Oh my god and apparently

It's the manly alternative to the cuck brand he used to promote called Zin. Oh my god They refused to partner with him So he threw a fit and pretended that they supported the Harris campaign Even though the company that runs in which is a Swedish match North America Which is a subsidiary of Philip Morris International grave more to federal GOP candidates at a rate of 70 to 30 Percent he's just pretending to be mad It's the cigarette murdering company of our entire lives. They're on the side. If anybody worshiped death, it is literally Philip Morris.

Yeah. They snubbed Tucker, so he decided they were too weak for him. He said, quote, I'm embarrassed to say it, but it's made by a huge company, huge donors to Kamala Harris. I'm not going gonna use that brand anymore I mean, I think it's fine for like your girlfriend or whatever, but I don't think men should use that brand It's that easy. It's that easy. It's that easy, baby There's no evidence that the company is a huge Harris donor But that was something that Tucker smeared them with to his audience in hope of stealing away part of the market for his own brand He's a total loser and this whole whole thing is impaired, embarrassingly transparent

that he's selling nicotine pouches. So cool. But and and like, he played a commercial for it. And I get that there's supposed to be some kind of humor in being like, this is what men do. Sure. But it wasn't funny. The audience didn't laugh at it, right? It just it felt like a parody that is also serious. Yeah, like he meant it right, you know Well, this is sincere marketing. It's not like no, but this would make sense It's not a parody of Budweiser commercials that are like, you know full of see but this one makes sense because this is the This is where this brain exists right now. It is aware enough to know that that should be

ironically enjoyed the idea of requiring a product to reinforce your manliness, right? It is not however ironic to do so for this brain. So the brain is trapped in a space of like, well, obviously it's funny that we're talking about how it's men that do this. And you're weak. If you get Zin, you're a woman. But also I will only buy products that are branded for men.

I will do both. I will know that it's stupid and I will still buy it. You have and are creating the anxiety around masculinity in order to sell this product. Yep. But you're also trying to make a joke out of that sort of, but I don't think you are. Yep.

It's very strange. Nope. And I just think it's weird that, I understand that Tucker is a well-known nicotine user. Like he's talked about that a ton, he's promoted Zin a ton in the past. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Just not for money. Right. And when he tried to get money from them, he said no, and he's like, I a ton. He's promoted Zen a ton. Sure. Sure. Sure Just not for money, right?

When he tried to get money from them, right said no and he's like I'll do my own thing But it is still just weird that he has like a sort of tobacco replacement brand I mean, yeah, like it's it doesn't feel right for him. He should be more No moral than this based on something the way he pretends to act you I mean or or the Marlboro man like one or the other you can't go you can't go like I'm a good person and also no I sell this product that's addictive and I'm using fears about masculinity in order to sell it to children no be the thing that gives people those fears about masculine the Marlboro man was so goddamn masculine and you felt

Emasculated when you were standing next to him simple Tucker can't do that shit. What about Joe camel? He made me feel emasculated but more in a I might turned on by camels kind of way. He was pretty smooth Yeah, he was so like I mentioned before the crowd was large But it wasn't full like you could look around the arena and see pockets of empty areas, but it still felt like there was a lot of people there. And the energy was very weird. It was very, very weird. Were people, I don't know, what would I say? Like if I'm going to see a Cubs game or if I've like, I've been to United center to see shows, bands, you know, the whole thing. I've been to arenas. I'm not nine years old. I've been to arenas. There has always been a sense of palpable excitement and anticipation for when the performance is going to begin.

Yeah. What was that like for this? Because it's not it doesn't feel like it would be something that you're like, oh, I'm looking forward to hearing about these people talk about how demons are going to kill me. Uh-huh, right? Well, it was confusing and I Had to sit down and really write out some thoughts Uh the next morning Because I was very confused at what I had experienced. Okay. And part of the reason is because there are structural problems with the show. Sure. So there was an opening act, who was supposed to be a warm-up comic. Right.

And then there was like half an hour of stump speeches from his sponsors. Ooh. So the warm-up act was warming up for the people that work to do the sponsor speeches. Right. And then Tucker came out. One of his sponsors introduced him. Boof. And so structurally it was very weird. Yeah. And I couldn't figure out like how this is supposed to work. The energy in the crowd was, you know, when you do stand up and no one's a star, sure, it really is important that the host bring it up,

get everyone on the same page, and then bring people around. Turn them into a crowd. Yeah. Yeah. If you have somebody who's a star on the show, it really doesn't matter. They're there to see that person. They're already a crowd.

Right. Yeah. You can bomb as the host, the opening act can bomb and then they'll go nuts for the headliner because they've seen them on TV. That's what they're there for. That's what this was. Yeah. Okay. And that energy was very strange. Hmm. With anger. Right. Right. Because that's what it is not there to like, I can't imagine being there thinking Oh, well, we're here to have a good time tonight. Mm-hmm, right? Well, there's some people who are pretty drunk Right, but even then like isn't that like I'm drinking to cope with how demons are gonna rape my face. I guess I guess Yeah, like what are we doing? What are you doing going to this thing?

I I mean I was there and I don't know. Right? That's I was very confused by it. Yeah. Everyone seemed to be like that's what I keep saying is like it's insane but normal. Right. Like that this is like someone is coming out and being like they want to murder your family. Right. And then they're going, woo! Right! And I don't get it. It doesn't seem like fun entertainment. Yeah. And then spoiler alert in terms of Alex's entire

presentation and appearance, if you like Alex, he didn't say anything you've never heard before. Right. It's all just playing the hits. Right. And all this, it's a very boring, dumb appearance by him. It could have been a cover band. If you like him.

Yeah. And if you don you like him. Yeah. And if you don't like him, I think you'd be confused by the things that he's saying. Right. Because he won't take a fucking breath. Right. And is saying all kinds of nonsense stuff. Right, right, right.

So in terms of entertainment, I don't get how it would have been a pleasant experience, but it clearly was for some people. Yeah, because if you're unfamiliar with Alex straight no chaser Then no chase or guys nice. He was there. I saw him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, did he wave no I bet if anybody would have recognized you out of it chase it I bet he would have smiled and wave he followed Alex out onto stage Yeah, to get like footage of the giant crowd from behind Alex as he makes a sizzle wheel

kind of thing. Oh, doing the thing. Buddy, cameraman action. Geez. Yeah. Yeah, because you're about 45 minutes behind any Alex conversation if you're not at all caught up. Right? any Alex conversation if you're not at all caught up. Right, so wherever he's talking,

if you don't know the first 45 minutes, it's pure chaos. It's just chaos. I think so. And because I'm me, there were like at least five points where I knew exactly what he was about to say. And at one point I just was kind of bored and so I whispered to Amanda like He's about to talk about Chuck Schumer and the hamburgers

And how they were raw meat. And then he did. Of course he did. This is so predictable. It's like clockwork. So boring. Oh my god. Oh god. Guess what? This is what fish is about to play farmhouse. Exactly.

Here we go. And there it is! Oh god. Hey, guess what? This is what Fish is about to play Farmhouse. Exactly! Here we go. And there it is! It's one million percent how that felt. And it felt dirty. Oh, that's weird. So let's talk about this lineup. Okay.

At 7.30 the show begins and there's this guy named Jason Hewlett, who was the opening warm-up comic. Okay. He was doing musical impressions for 20 minutes. It was rough. Wow. Yes. Wow.

So one of the things that he did was he sang Journey. He sang Open Arms. Sure. Come to you with open arms. But he was doing it with like looking like a zombie kind of with his arms out because he was doing Broken Arms. I come to zombie kind of with his arms out because he was doing broken arms I come to you with broken arms. It was a bit. It's a good bit Um, he did a impression of the ario speed wagon sure

Um because they they hold their r's really long. So fight this feeling anymore That that kind of so is this is this what when does musical comedy begin and being a bad cover band and Here's the problem. Yeah, his impressions were fine Okay, he'd done some work on them sure so I mean they didn't sound terrible like I think he was a competent hand That right is there's no bits. It was nothing was funny All right, there was a point where I was worried that I dosed myself. Sure. And that was when, well there are two moments in his act that I thought I was hallucinating. One of them was... That's going to be on the,

that's the bumper right there. Yeah. I thought I was hallucinating. So you did a bit about how he could never figure out what Axl Rose's voice sounded like. But then he realized that it was Marge Simpson, and so he starts singing Welcome to the Jungle in a serviceable Axl Rose impression. Welcome to the jungle! Well, that's the problem. He's doing an Axl Rose impression, and then switches to a Marge Simpson impression They're very different. Yes. They are very different and in Performing them he's proven that they don't sound similar

Yeah, that is an interesting thing to do and so I was sitting there was like you have just Disproven the premise of your bit. That's fascinating. Yeah, has anybody told him that do you think? I don't know, but they were fine impressions. That's the problem is like yeah. No, it's fine. I mean if comedy's hard. Mm-hmm. I can't imagine any gig I would want less, but if I was broke enough would take faster than this terrible gig, right? Like I don't want to do this. This sounds awful. I'm gonna bomb. You're paying how much? This is going to be an experience that I can tell people for the rest of my life. I was there and I did weird shit. Yeah. I remember back in the day, like if you're doing standup and you visit New York

or something, you'll be kind of lucky if you can get up at a club doing a check set where they drop the check and no one's listening to you They're all filling out their credit card slips. Yeah and stuff and it's a thankless awful thing, but you'll get a few bucks Yeah, and you'll get to perform at this club. Yeah, that's kind of what he's doing He gets to perform in an arena, but like people are filtering in and that most of them are confused or they're like I Grew up on REO Speedway. And that's the recognition that they enjoy. So the second time I was hallucinating.

Yeah. He does a bit about how I don't exactly remember how this worked, but he was something along the lines of how they would do auto tune. like I would share do it if there was no electricity or something like that okay and so he's like doing like blocking right right right he makes his voice do the yeah yeah yeah yeah by putting his hand in front of his face sure sure sure sure Amanda posted a video of this because it was just like I don't know what the fuck is going on I feel I felt like I was in another place there's no joke here he's kind of making this sound similar to the effect of auto tuning sure oh a lot of work for very little reward this is I but what if like three years from now?

It's like it comes out the documentary Marina Abramovich documentary comes out It's like oh He's been doing this kind of shit at weird right-wing rallies for the past three years stare directly in my eyes That'd be an amazing documentary sure I'd watch it. Yeah, I'd watch that so then he just straight-up sang Lee Greenwood That's always a smart move Sure, I'd watch it. Yeah, I'd watch that so then he just straight-up sang Lee Greenwood If it was a parody of what he was doing, that's how it would end yeah It would have to yeah, and he did a bunch of funny faces. Oh boy. Like his lip going up. Yeah. And I mean there were good funny faces. That must have been wild. That must have been wild. See a Jim Carrey

on TV for the first time and being like, look at that face! And that being the end of it. Amazing. It was like that. It's just, you know, I think we've talked about this a little bit about magic. In order to do magic, you have to really put in the time to do it, and there's something, you kind of respect about the effort that goes into that. This guy had some decent impressions that sounded like a variety of different singers. True. The face movements that he was making were pretty precise and they involved different

muscles of the face moving. That would take practice. Right. And so I felt really bad because it's not funny in the least. There's no bits. The show sucks. It's awful. It's confusing that it's before this Tucker Carlson show, but you got to respect the craft a little bit. He's trying. I can't think of anything a little more insulting to me personally than the idea of somebody

being like, I have to compliment the mechanics of what you are doing He's putting some hours. He's putting some work on this stuff and that I tip my head. Yeah No, I mean there's there's something to be said about that. Yeah. Yeah So I thought for sure he was gonna do this warm-up act and then you know You're gonna bring on Tucker straight in there that's how most shows generally work But then the moms for America person came out and gave a speech right and everyone was kind of confused right I think they were pretty confused but enjoyed her enough and then Joe from Texas came out and he gave a speech yeah and this dude

was it was awesome he was awesome I don't know what he was talking about sure but he spoke like Sam Elliott There was a drawl to him a folksiness. Yeah, he was talking about how like I Bit of paraphrase this story sure one day when he was a kid he had a bike and he loved this bike I love this story Represented freedom to him yes, he could ride and feel the wind in his hair right he was You know follow along some kid steals his bike

Motherfucker right yeah stole his freedom bet yes, right? I'm now furious. Yeah, so he kicks the shit out of that You say he seriously hurt this boy. That's the wrong lesson to teach yeah okay and so his mom finds out yeah and she's like you gotta tell your dad what you did okay you beat the shit out of the skin all right this story is gone a lot yeah I think his dad is an alcoholic or something sure and so he's like I'm gonna get beat for this sure he's gonna kick shit out of me cuz I beat up this kid in front of the hospital right so he goes and he tells his dad what he did. Yeah. And his dad says to him, son, did you like that bike?

And he's like, yes, sir, I did. And so his dad's like, you did the right thing. Oh my God. He took your freedom and no one could take your freedom. You did the right thing. So the end of the story was that he didn't get beat up by his dad and then the place went nuts. Like they really loved the end

of this story yeah and I was listening to it like this guy is a charm to him I don't know what the fuck he's doing here I don't know what he's promoting sure I've only three quarters paying attention about this story of violence yeah yeah yeah huh like might have been a high point of the night you know it's it's like cuz that's like an echo of the, of the more common story of the standing up to bullies, you fight back and then they're like, oh, you shouldn't fight back.

And then your dad is like, you stand up to bullies, even if that meant, you know, that's a fairly common story. This one, it does feel like there should have been some acknowledgement of like this was the wrong move. And the tension of the story is whether or not his dad's gonna beat him up for beating up this other kid.

And I honestly like I was reflecting on it after the fact. And I realized that until the end of the story I didn't know what ending the audience would like. Interesting. They cheered for him not getting beat up by his dad. I think they would have cheered for a beating I think so, too. I think they would have also This is what's wrong with being from where we're from we're like those people would have been happy with a beating or no beating I got a whooping but I got my freedom Yeah, that would have been also. Yes, you accepted the consequences, but you got your freedom back. Yeah, that would have been also yes you accepted the consequences, but you got your freedom back

Yeah, it's something anyway totally he was confusing. That's wild and then the antihistamine drink people came out sure It's called Sam brossa Sam brossa Yeah, the drink of the gods Tried to sell their product to help you sleep sure Sure. They had this great line that was like, let Tucker wake you up and let us put you to sleep. Or something like that. I was like, you guys are assholes.

That is amazing. That should, yeah, but that's also the most evil thing anybody could ever possibly say. That's technocratic nightmare shit. It's funny for me sitting there though, because I can see the crass marketing that's going on and how abusive it is. Do they got an MC or is this shotgun style?

Really? Out of control, you don't have your own traveling house MC or something? Nope. The singer guy came out, did his time, then the lady from Moms for America came out and then Joe John Joe from Texas can't remember his name the sleep drink boy

I just they just don't care about putting on a good show, you know, it was all brokered time Yeah, it's basically the arrangement is obviously that they give Tucker a bunch of money So he wrangles a crowd for them to pitch their shit to. It's a nakedly transparent sales event with a captive audience. Like, when people were filtering in and getting to their seats, you have the song comic warming people up, getting them excited,

and then the payoff of that once they're seated is all these ads that go on for like half an hour, 40 minutes, and then Tucker comes out. And the place went nuts for Tucker, obviously. I mean, we're not, listen, we don't have any corporate sponsors. We're not like that. We don't have corporate, giant corporations. They don't care about you.

Even if they did sponsor us, it's what? One millionth of their budget. These people that we bring out here, these people want to predate on you to your face. They want to look you in the eyes as they steal from you. Sambrosa! Sambrosa! God damn it! Joe with a mustache. Oh, Sambrosa.

I don't know what he was selling. He's just being Joe. Just Joe from Texas. If he's an eccentric millionaire who just wants to promote himself and tell stories that are kind of folksy. I like it That's Jimmy James style that is Jimmy James style right there Absolutely, and because I wasn't paying enough attention while he was on I might have been going to get a pretzel No, I did that when Jack Pesovic was on stage smart Um, I wasn't paying enough attention to know what he was selling right so don't worry about it

Okay, all right. They. Don't worry about it. Who cares? All right. They go crazy for Tucker coming out. They do. How does it? Because Ambrose's salespeople do their pitch and then they get to introduce Tucker. Okay.

All right. So they brought him on stage. Right. Which probably meant they paid a little more. I would assume so. Yeah. Otherwise they would have had to like fight it out with the other corporate sponsors. Yeah, that'd be no fun.

So Tucker comes out and here you ready ready to jump into the Knights Entertainment? All right. Oh, I'm so... Oh, I love this. Thank you. I am legitimately glad to be here. Thank you. Well, it is a great country.

And thank you for saying that. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here.

I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. I'm so glad to be here. Thank you! Well, it is a great country. And thank you for saying that. That has been, this is our 12th city. And out of 16, and one of the things that I wanted, I love you too, thank you.

I wanted, you know, if you spend your life experiencing the United States through your phone, which I think all of us do, you really lose track of what it's actually like. And you do. And I do think that part of the lie, part of the plan for the rest of us is to convince us that our country sucks. And that's not true at all and that's why it's been such a blessing to go coast to coast. 830 this morning I was on the Conestoga River in your state beautiful you could have been anywhere Montana New Zealand it was incredible and I ran into people in the park where I was looming not in a threatening way but you know wandering around one of your parks. And they said to me, oh my gosh, we just saw Alex Jones wandering in the park.

Actually, and they weren't afraid. They were delighted. Oh, they weren't afraid. So right wing figures are apparently the cryptids of that weekend in Pennsylvania, just looming around in the park. That makes sense. That makes sense.

So yeah, I think that There's a you know there's a nice USA chant sure I think that if you listen carefully you can hear my uncommittal Clapping because I decided to be polite and okay a little bit of soft clapping all right because I wanted to fit in I'd shave my chin. So I was like, let's just let's just commit to this Yeah, I get you. Hmm. Not for me. I still I can't stand up But I had to like I felt like I had to do the standing ovations along with them Otherwise I was gonna be like I was gonna stick out I mean, I will say it does get lonely when you're the only person sitting down in a 30,000 arena of people clapping for somebody who is a murderer, a war criminal or whatever.

Well, it wasn't pledging allegiance to anybody. Sure. I was just getting a better look at the stage. That's how I told myself it went. All right. But yeah, I think that there were only two times that I almost audibly laughed. Okay. There were, maybe there was one that I actually slipped and I might've laughed, but it was mostly just kind of nodding.

I was like, oh, okay. And then with, I hate to say this. Okay. Because I do an Alex Jones podcast. True. Alex was so boring and the only thing that's interesting is Tucker's intro speech I would I would not have missed out on much if I had just left sure after Tucker's intro right which sucks but I mean that's like it's almost I almost, I wouldn't say, I'm not glad.

I'm not glad and I, it's, but, it's like, that's the purpose, the purpose is not to put on a good show. The purpose is for this to be a thing that happened. Yeah, and to launder Alex to a new audience. The purpose is for nothing that's going on on the stage, nothing, it's for next week. Whenever it's like, oh, remember when Alex was in Pennsylvania.

He was so smart and he was so brilliant. It doesn't matter what he said. He just said all the normal stuff that he says and his catchphrases. And then people cheered and they felt good and everyone was excited. Yeah. I mean, like honestly, maybe if I'd never

seen Alex talk before, I'd be like, you got to hear what this dude was excited. Yeah, so I mean like honestly Maybe if I'd never seen Alex talk before I'd be like you got to hear what this dude was saying Maybe nonsense stuff yeah, because it would be things I hadn't heard a hundred times before and we haven't talked about a hundred times on the podcast Yeah, so I think that maybe the newness of Tucker's brand of Whatever he was dealing with I I think was maybe more interesting. Yeah, yeah I can see that. But yeah, Alex was a big dud. And it was really funny

because the chair wasn't quite big enough and so his little feet were dangling. And it's really funny to hear somebody yelling about shit just sitting down with their little feet dangling. With their little feet dangling? No, god damn it, that had to have been on purpose. And then Jack Posobic too, like he came out and forgot to unbutton his suit jacket when he sat down So he looked like an idiot the whole fucking time with his suit like pulling apart. It was really

Yeah, it was really bad man. I can't dress myself, and I know I don't do that shit good. God. Yeah, that's bad So Tucker has met a lot of cool people on this tour. Sure. A lot of good people. No angry people. Not at all. Not at all. And they're great people. And that's kind of the point is that in 12 cities from East Coast to West Coast to the middle to back to the East Coast, I haven't met a single angry person. I haven't met a single nasty person. I haven't met anybody mistreating anybody else, I've met exactly the opposite. I have met the warmest, kindest, most loving, hilarious, eccentric people I've ever met. And those are the people I grew up with. This is the country I remember.

And so, no, it's true though. It actually is great. And I've just been reminded of that. So thank you and thank you for having me. So gracious. So I had a pretty similar experience on my whole trip. I didn't really run into any particularly angry people, but I did meet a bunch of people who are on the precipice of anger.

And I was keenly aware that if I didn't placate their needs to not be offended by wokeness, they would turn angry really fast. I nodded along with the cab driver heading to my return trip to the airport as he lamented about how children's movies were pushing a gay agenda by including LGBTQ characters. There were a couple of interactions I ended up in with other people around other culture war topics that felt the same. It was incumbent upon me to moderate my response to their insane shit or else they would respond poorly.

It was very clear that that dynamic was in action. Tucker is insulated from a lot of this type of interaction because his insane wealth and celebrity allows that. Plus, he's on the side that's one step away from screaming at you for being an agent of cancel culture. Most of the people who hate Tucker are just not going to engage with him, or probably will never have an opportunity to. I watched a little video of their meet and greet, and it was just Tucker, Alex, and Jack

Posobik standing in front of a backdrop looking at a camera while a line of people came through and took pictures. They barely even looked at the people as they were coming through and then they were whisked away really fast and you can hear Rob Do muttering in the background, this is what America's about. Wow. I'm sure that Tucker's not lying about how nice everyone has been on his tour because honestly all of the people that I interacted with who had an insane and dangerous idea

to share, they were really nice too. They were nice because I let them be nice and I exercised extreme caution in how I challenge their very fragile ideas. Tucker doesn't challenge any of those ideas and the most hostile people he could run into, so I'm sure it's a pretty nice trip that he's had. But if I had wanted to, I could have immediately just said, no, that's, that's complete nonsense. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. And here's where this idea comes from. It would have been the worst person they could have ended up in a conversation with. Yeah. Cause I would have deconstructed exactly why this is wrong and all of this. But I just chose to be like, Oh, how, How about that? You know I just let them talk sure and because of that we had nice interactions

Yeah, because I was there. Yeah, cuz I let them yep. Yeah, that's generally how it goes Yeah, and that's a bizarre feeling that doesn't feel great. Well. I mean on one level Well, I mean on one level, everyone you meet, if you scratch them long enough and hard enough, will reveal believing something that is absolutely insane. Sure. You know, like, and it doesn't even need to be big, you know, that time that I told you that I thought that you couldn't re-refrigerate beer or something, because somebody told me that was just in my head.

Yeah. You know, and if you scratch that it's gonna come out Yeah, the problem isn't that people do believe nonsense It's that some of that nonsense is terrifying and dangerous and then and it intersects with real-world hurt And then it gets whipped up by people like Tucker who can stoke it without ever having to feel that same feeling of of who can stoke it without ever having to feel that same feeling of hostage-taking. That aspect of like, I know going into this interaction, I am not allowed to be me. I simply cannot do that. I have to exist in your space, period.

Yeah. And to the extent that it's acceptable, I'm just just gonna ignore most of this insane shit You're saying or very softly push back on it in a playful way. Yeah For the sake of I don't know. We're just sitting on a bench together, man. We're gonna we're gonna leave you're gonna go back to your life I'm gonna go back to mine. What are we doing? Yeah, and so I think there were two things that like that exists simultaneously That that are there's weird. And that's like, well, those were positive exchanges. Sure. And the parts of those conversations that didn't intersect with culture, war, bullshit,

and nonsense ideas that these people have were very pleasant. Talking about their families and talking about various things that they're interested in, totally fine. And I could have exchange with someone who believes the polar opposite of what I believe. Mm-hmm. And that's heartening. Yeah.

But it's disheartening that the only way we were able to achieve that was by me restraining some information that I have that would have been handled poorly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean You know, it's one of those things where Their their anger is what's going to come out sooner or later. Mm-hmm. And for Tucker He's trying to get them to spew it at anybody right let it fly for for and you know in these interactions You're just like well, then don't spew to me. There's no reason to spew your anger at me Yeah, right, but that makes you feel like well I'm just letting the next person get that anger or something like that, but it's like they it's the anger

Isn't the anger at the thing we're talking about it's there somewhere else and it needs to get out Yeah, and it's kind of like a um I'm not playing. I don't want to dance. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I don't want to do this. We're not. Yeah and that just feels weird because there is a sense that I got from each of these people that they wanted to dance. Yeah. And I just didn't play along and I don't know I Have a lot of thoughts that I'm still kicking around about like what does this mean? How like what kind of lessons can you take from that and I'm not sure but it was weird I mean, you know the thing that it's always struck me about groupings like that gatherings like that

is like All of these people want to fight. They are gathered in a place together almost with the intent to fight. And it's it's like, yo, you guys could just fight each other. Just go. Well, I think that's actually less. My sense of it was less that they were getting all together to fight. Right. What they were doing was getting all together to justify themselves and to feel like there are many of us and we're good. That was more what the vibe was than fighting. There's a lot of violent talk and a lot of

that kind of shit, but overwhelmingly it was more like, you're the good ones. Well, I mean, if you're saying the same thing as 6,000 other people, even though what you're saying might in your otherwise daily life sound absolutely crazy to the 6,000 people that you're surrounded with, it makes you feel real normal now. Yeah, it helps. It makes sense, yeah. So Tucker has been in a good mood through most of this tour. Sure. But today, he got in a bad mood.

Uh oh. Because he saw that picture of Josh Shapiro with his landscape. No! So with that said, and I've been in a good mood, despite being away from my wife and dogs, I've been in a good mood every day for the last 21 days. Really until today when I got back from wandering around one of your parks and I see this picture of your governor you know I don't I actually don't really want to show up in somebody else's state and like attack their politicians because that's not my state or

Commonwealth but I saw a photograph of your governor Josh Shapiro standing with a foreign leader signing an artillery shell that is going to kill civilians in a country we're not at war with with the grin on his face and I had a couple of thoughts I was disgusted by it actually I was enraged by it and here's why let me be specific about here's why The first reason is you know I've been driving around, Pennsylvania And actually I've fished here a lot over the course of my life, and so I know the state pretty well And there are some I mean it is really one of the prettiest out of 50

Maybe the prettiest in spots out of 50. It's ridiculous how pretty it is But there are some hurting places in this state, like hurting, like actually. Tim Cynova So the premise here is that I'm very mad hearing or seeing this picture of Josh Shapiro with Zelensky because I fish in Pennsylvania quite a bit and there's a lot of really nice nature stuff, but also people are hurting and that money could be used to improve their lives. So that's the beginning of the premise. Yeah, which I can understand. I think you're gonna have to do a little work on putting the sort of pieces together. Sure. But it's the beginning of like, I get your grievance. So he goes on. And it's just develops this theme. But there are some hurting places in this state like hurting like actually, where people don't have

jobs where you know, beautiful buildings in utter disrepair, walking back from dinner last night, people sleeping on the sidewalk, you know, things that we should not put up with in a country with self-respect, and our leaders did that, actually. And so for anybody in charge of anything in this country, particularly in this state, to be spending time, money,

or concern on a foreign country's problems enraged me. It enraged me. So Tucker is really mad that any time, effort or concern is going to be placed on something foreign when there are people here who could be helped. So I get the premise. You get the premise? I, I do get the premise. My next, my thought when he said that was Odin okay, right There must be something satisfying about being able to tell Ravens to go peck a man's eyes out Mm-hmm. That's a satisfaction that I think we would all be appreciative for in certain circumstances

And I think this would be one of them sure absolutely because there's just there's just no way to listen to a man Say that like Tucker. Mm-hmm I'm like, oh I was vacationing in Barbados when I realized that I don't would fall in a go go fuck yourself It's a chill cool thing and a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so your idea of the Raven Yeah, it's uh, I don't know if you know this, but that's an Adam Carolla idea. Back in the day he used to talk about attack crows. Attack crows, sure.

And he would have a team of attack crows because they're very smart and you could train them to- They're very smart. I see a lot of videos now where people are like, if you give them food whenever they give you like a dollar, they'll just keep bringing you money because they think that's how, like that's amazing. They're smart. Adam Carolla, the ace man, conspicuous in his absence as a guest on this tour. I was going to say, he might, well, he's lost some celebrity status if he didn't make it as a guest on this tour. Yeah. There's a number of people who are sort

of like, hey, could it? Did Chuck Norris get one? No. Oh. He might be real old now. Yeah. I don't know, like, he might be dead. I don't know if he's dead. No, no, no. He's got a new book out. It's called Black Belt Politics or something like that.

Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah. So Tucker is infuriated by this photo op thing that Josh Shapiro and Zelensky did. and he just doesn't want to be lectured. He just doesn't want to be lectured by these people. I swear to God, him lecturing me about him not wanting to be lectured by these people is wanting me to lecture him.

Shit turns angry. Okay. How dare you lecture me about problems in some other place, whether it's in Eastern Europe or the Middle East or Central Africa, I don't care. I don't wish any of those people harm at all. I wish everyone well. But for you to spend your time worrying about that and paying for that when your own state, people in your own state are literally living on the sidewalk. Damn you, actually. I thought I mean that." He means it.

So this is all fun and is getting the crowd worked up, but it's kind of dumb. Tucker's show is largely lecturing people about problems in other countries and supporting foreign strongman leaders like Putin, Javier Malé, Naib Buccelli, Yerbos Lanaro, and Viktor Orban. The criticism he's making would be fine, but he's criticizing himself just as much as he is Josh Shapiro. He just doesn't accept that criticism on himself. Yeah. I agree that people being unhoused is a serious problem and the government has a responsibility

to confront it. Tucker's ideology doesn't have a solution for the problem. He's just using it as an excuse to attack supporting Ukraine, but I have no qualms with taking housing insecurity as a serious issue that public resources should be directed towards solving. The problem is that there's no connection between Tucker's feelings about people being unhoused and about the war in Ukraine. Even if literally everyone in the country had access to affordable housing, he would still think we shouldn't give any money or time to Ukraine, so pretending that his issue is rooted in some righteous indignation about how we should be using the resources

for ourselves, that's a charade. The bigger scam is that even if no money or time was being spent on supporting Ukraine, Tucker wouldn't support public assistance to provide people with housing. He's just pretending he would support that because he knows that those optics are a weapon that he can use to attack his enemies. He's scamming the audience by appealing to something that makes them feel like good people, and by extension, he demonizes the people that he is opposed to. Cultivating that feeling is really what 90% of the non advertising part of this show is about that's the vibes that you're getting From him and I found that kind of interesting. Yeah, I mean that's that's like that's America man Like that's the that's the jump. That's the like hey

You know what your real problem is given that extra cent and a half to fucking King George. That motherfucker's your real problem. No, no, no, no, give me your food. Give me your food, give me your food. Give me your food because then I will give it to him. No, no, no, no, no, it's him who's stealing your food. I'm gonna take it though. I'm gonna take all of your food and then later you'll have some maybe?

It's, redirecting the intensity of anger is just dumb. In this case, because it's just one thing Redirecting the intensity of anger is just dumb. In this case, because it's just one thing you don't support and another thing you don't support. And pretending you support one because it allows you to seem more righteous in your attack on the other, I don't know. It's uncompelling, but there's just a lot of feelings. You know, like I mentioned this up top,

he's an emotional guy. And this next clip, I almost like had my jaw on the floor when I was there, because it's so sad. It makes me so sad. And I can't believe Tucker is saying this shit. A leader's only job is to take care of the people he leads. Period. It's not to end global climate change. It's not to defeat Vladimir Putin

or anybody else. It's to protect and watch over the people he leads. This is true of any organization, starting with the most basic organization in any society which is the family. A father's job is to watch over his family and if his kids are sick and have drug problems and he takes off to another country to deal with other people's children in a faraway land, he has abandoned his family. And I don't care what story he tells you about himself and what a great and caring and compassionate person he is,

and I don't care how much he attacks you for noticing, he is a bad father and a bad man because he has violated his sacred duty to his own children That's why he's here is to watch over his children the same is true for all organizations Whether it's a military unit or the office you work in or the town you live in or the state you reside in or the nation You were born in the people who run and have one job and that's to watch out for you because they're your leaders." This clip is really helpful to understand Tucker's rhetorical framework. He spends a lot of time whining about how the left wants a nanny state, and then he

rants passionately about how he wants a president who loves him like a parent. It's incoherent and stupid, because on a fundamental level, no one should want the relationship dynamic between an individual and the government to mirror that of a parent and a child. On its face, it's idiotic, and Tucker knows that perfectly well. He absolutely does not want this to be his relationship with the government, but he knows that the audience he's cultivated feels good when they talk about a person in power loving them. It's emotionally validating to imagine that your president loves you and feels responsibility

to protect you like a parent does their child. The government doesn't love you and you shouldn't want them to. You should want them to govern effectively and sometimes that works in your best interests and sometimes as an individual it doesn't. I remember in this moment sitting in the arena just amazed at how petulant and weak it sounded because the side point of what Tucker is saying is that he wants to be treated like a child.

That's the role he's assuming in this metaphor, in this allegory, and he's encouraging the audience to assume that role as well, which I think sucks. No organization should run like a family. No business or government or office should have a paternal structure. that role as well, which I think sucks. No organization should run like a family. No business or government or office should have a paternal structure, and I think that Tucker understands that. It's just that his brand has become so entwined with yelling about families and insisting

families are under attack, so this kind of grows out of that and it sounds really stupid. Yeah, I mean it's it's a really good it's a really good scam though Like the hey listen give up all of your agency so that a higher power male Will do it for you is like a the best scam. It's the best scam Yeah, it's been going on for the whole time Well in a huge part of this that is kind of a little too clear if you're paying attention Is that like Tucker isn't really saying this about himself? No, he's not saying that he wants isn't really saying this about himself. Nope. He's not saying that he wants to be the child of the government.

He wants you to be. Yeah. He wants to be exempted from this parent-child relationship, but he wants you in that. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something crazy. I don't think a lot of Cardinals view themselves as equal to a lot of the people in their parishes. You know what I'm saying? I don't think they, you know, even though their book might, uh, you know?

I think some have strange power dynamics that are played out. Might have paternalistic power dynamics too. Yeah. So like this whole thing turns into Tucker yelling about how the government should love you. Oh my god! It was surreal. That's creepy!

Yes! No! You take a city like the one I woke up in this morning where my wife went to grade school and it's a beautiful city built over centuries by hard-working immigrants by the way German mostly but probably from lots of other places and they spent hundreds of years making this a great city and I walked through it this morning on the way to the park and the streets are covered in garbage and broken needles. It's like you don't notice that really Josh Speier? You don't notice that?

How can you not notice that? There's someone sleeping right there and you're lecturing me about Ukraine? Damn you. There's no concern at all and where there's no concern, there's no love actually. Actually, there's no love actually. The movie Love Actually. I was really mad that he said that and nobody was like, no! I did at the moment.

Yeah, okay, good. I was almost wanting to break out into God only knows where I'd be without you. He said the words. We should all be like, yeah, he said the words, right? It's the... When your catchphrase is actually and you do that one, it really feels like there should be a buzzer or something. Absolutely. Absolutely. Or a wink, but he didn't really do any of that. Motherfucker. Also, that just all seems so whiny and disconnected from the real problem he's pretending to be upset about, which is people not having homes. For what it's worth,

I walked around a bit in Redding and I didn't see much trash or humans sleeping on the street. There were three shops that claimed to sell mystical objects that got me really excited. Sure. They were all closed on Monday, which sucked, But that's the extent of the negative things that I saw walking around reading. I don't know Yeah, I think that Tucker sounds like a dork and I don't think that on a critical Examination of the things he's saying he could even justify Whining about how much he wants the government to love you. I think it's pathetic. It's... I mean, like...

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you may make a mistake here and there. I have, every parent has. But over time, if your actions are guided by a sincere love for your child, that child's gonna be okay. Because that's all that matters. And so, if over time you totally ignore the material and spiritual condition of your people, if they wind up sleeping on the

street and the storefronts are closed and the windows are broken and they can't walk to CBS without getting mugged and it's physically unclean? That's not an accident. They don't love you. They hate you. That is true. Do not listen. I talk for a living.

So I think a lot about this. This was just so weird. So very bizarre sitting there and watching this. I was like, I did not expect this would be the kind of breakdown that I'm witnessing. Can anybody just do it? You know, like, okay, so when Bush was like, I'm a regular guy like you, but he was also like a super billionaire, right?

Who's well connected and his dad was the devil. You know, like like it was fine because he was absolutely as dumb as you thought he was and you go hey he was so stupid and you believed him so when he was like words like strategic yeah yeah yeah I'm gonna hit the watch to be hit this drive yeah he's an idiot mm-hmm so when he's like I'm just like one of you no you're fucking not but also in a way yes you you very much are Maybe more so than a lot of people. That's the tension of Tucker though. Tucker is not at all that. Yes

That he is a bullshitter. He wants to be treated like that, but also Wants to be the like Ivy League guy There's there's anybody there's an incoherence in what he's putting forward. And now here's a doctor, the most decorated, educated man of the we need to get rid of universities. And everybody should be like, No, you're the guy. Yeah, yeah. You can't do that. Yeah, just it's weird. Why aren't they calling him out on that? I think people just enjoy whatever he makes them feel. So also, important point, people do benefit from taking parenting classes. Yeah, there's a whole lot that you don't know

going in and it feels a little strange to just sort of insist that everyone knows the right thing to do innately. It's kind of unrelated to the convoluted point Tucker is making, but this mentality that people know how to raise their kids automatically is a pretty toxic viewpoint that feeds into the anxiety and stresses that come with postpartum depression. Some people who suffer from that feel like they don't know what they're doing as a parent and that's an indication that there's something inherently wrong with them, and reinforcing that idea is an impediment to getting them the help they need. So fuck that. Oh, you'll just know. You'll just know. Well, I don't. Well, I have no answer for that.

It's alienating. So Tucker's views about how much of the government needs to be your parent are dumb and incompatible with his professed belief system. And the analogy that he's trying to draw is a really unhealthy mindset. It's just all bad all around I don't I can't even describe how shocked I was. Yeah by this. I mean so stupid Sometimes sometimes I really do think are is it just showboating Are they just doing like the can-can because they because they can get away with anything like why not? What couldn't he say at this point other than like, hey, maybe we should respect gay people.

Like that's it. I think that could be trouble. Maybe if he came out against, I think actually he could manage coming out against Trump. I think it would be, hmm. I don't know, he did try and do the RFK pivot, sort of uncommittedly. That didn't work out.

I don't know, I don't know. I think that was more RFK's fault than anybody else's fault. What yeah, I'm gonna go with maybe Maybe somebody should have looked into that freak man. There's a hundred stories about him that we have not covered Again, I think this is great. He is the most fucked up human being that's ever lived He should be fucked up like this true. It makes me feel good I was with a bad rai- but I'm way better than RFK Jr. Well, I mean, he has a lot of variables. Yeah. So we've talked a number of times about words.

Sure. You think they mean something. I have been wrong about that for so long. This is a constant tension in your life. It is. And apparently Tucker shares I'm sure he does. Your concern. I'm sure it's I'm sure he's not creating my concern entirely by himself. No no no no no. He wouldn't be doing that through words. No no no no. So I think a lot about

this. About words and their use and I use words we all do to communicate with other people. It's what separates us from the animals. It's not the opposable thumb. Whoever thought of that is an idiot. It's language. God thought of the opposable thumb, asshole. About the way we feel and communicate that to another person to pass on information, to pass on our history. That's what our culture is. It's talking. And that's great. But words are also, if you think about it, a means of deception. They are a vector for lying. How do the lies reach you? Because they come out of somebody's mouth.

So if you're in my business and you think a lot about language and you're around people who are lying for a living, after a while you lose faith in it. You do. And after a while, at least if you're me, you decide, you know, I'm going to be a lot more like my dog. My dog is not a fluent English speaker. Genius, but doesn't speak English. And yet my dog and your dog and everyone's dog knows exactly what's up. They can't hear a word you say, they only watch you. And when you move over and pick

up the bowl, it's dinnertime. You didn't tell them that, they're watching what you do. And I've decided that's a much more accurate way to judge intent. You can say, well, I have a plan because I'm so compassionate. I really care about you and all your communities. First of all, anyone uses the word community is lying to you because there's no such thing as a community. There are only people actually with names and fingerprints. They're only individuals. No woman ever gave birth to a community. There's no such thing. Talking about communities is a way of ignoring actual people. Really, name three people in the community. What are their

middle names? Who are their moms? Do you know their moms? You don't know anything about the community. Community is a way to make your responsibility more diffuse and less specific. What the fuck is happening? I... So this is basically a textbook case of a stupid person's idea of a smart person. Except I don't think that's what's going on here. I think this is a cynical presentation on Tucker's part and he's doing a smart person's version

of what he thinks a stupid person could relate to. I suspect he has a great disdain for this audience and clearly thinks that they should look at their leaders as parents. So it's not hard for me to imagine that he thinks they're pretty stupid too. That certainly lines up with the picture that you get with him from the text messages that came out in the Fox lawsuit, he seems like a real piece of shit, and maybe not the kind of person who's acting like this behind closed doors.

So what's this rant even about? Words are important to transmit culture, but you could also use them to lie so you should act like a dog. Communities don't exist because people have fingerprints. This dude seems a little bit jacked up, but maybe he's just doubled up on his nicotine pouches and he's riding that high. Whatever the case, this intro speech was all over the fucking place, and while he's getting decent responses here and there, you can hear some points where he expected applause and it didn't come.

Nice. There is definitely moments where it's like, uh oh. That was supposed to land and it didn't. Alright, I'm listening. That's nice. He's not bombing, but he's not killing. I feel like, here's how I feel. If I'm, what would I say? I feel like here's how I feel.

What would I say? If I'm one of those people in the arena, I think of myself as a warrior. I think of myself as a person who has recognized that there's something wrong with this world and is doing something to change it, to fix it, to whatever. And if that means giving Tucker money, then at the very least I'll have fixed it or changed it or whatever. But at the heart of it is the warrior.

I am a person strong. And then I just think of Conan the Barbarian listening to Tucker. Conan the Barbarian listening to Tucker, you know like Conan the Barbarian being like I Mention my dad. I guess I'll do what you said. So so no crushing my enemies and just you'll do it Okay, like what a sad to have tuckered be your your your front man Yeah, especially when it's this Tucker. Yeah. I think that- Have some self-respect, Conan.

Exactly. Jesus Christ. This is weak. This is weak. Do you remember in The Princess Bride, that line, the line that will always stick with me is, we are men of action, you and I. The lies are beneath us.

Fuck yeah. Tucker Carlson, you and I. The lies are beneath us. Fuck yeah! Tucker Carlson, you are not that! I mean, that's kind of the thing that I was experiencing while I was there was kind of like a, I don't even respect this. Like, I don't even respect this enough to be really afraid of you or treat you with the respect that you want.

So clearly need. But at the same time, all of this is scary, and the ideas are dangerous. Sure. You can't just totally be like, ah, this doesn't exist, no big deal. There were 6,000 people in this arena cheering for bigot shit.

Yeah. But at the same time, I have no respect for the presentation that Tucker's putting on. He's very weak. He sounds like an idiot, and I can't not laugh at that. I mean, I bet, God, it makes you want to be at one of those old revivals before they had TV, before they had any of that shit. Like Marjo shit, where it's like all we have are practical effects, some people who dance, and a child that is really charismatic.

And they made a fucking show out of it. And I bet Joe from Texas opened that too. I bet he did! I bet he's a fucking vampire. Yep. So here was one of the places where Tucker, the expectation of what he wanted from the audience doesn't come.

Right. He tries to get himself booed by mentioning Philly Also he tries some jokes Trust me it's a whole line It's decades of politicians who didn't love you that Enrages me and then to see him direct his love toward a foreign leader in a foreign population He knows nothing about he doesn't speak Ukrainian. What do you know about Ukraine, Josh Shapiro? No, it's a way for his friends to get rich and him to puff himself up like some sort of fake world leader

and seem like he cares. He's got bigger concerns than my geopolitical, you may not know that word, geopolitical, trust me, Josh Shapiro has no freaking idea what that word means. But more to the point, Josh Shapiro's only job is to protect and enhance the lives of people in Redding and Pottstown and every other town in this state, including, and I'm just going to say it, you're going to je cheer me, including Philadelphia. I know. Philadelphia, I get it. But Philadelphia, whatever else that you can say about is filled with American citizens.

No one was booing for Philadelphia. Tucker just kind of thought that they'd take a jab at the big city. Right, right, right. Blue city. That's how disconnected from the human human beings they are. They're like, oh, well, the largest city is clearly the big big city. Right, right, right. Blue city. That's how disconnected from human beings they are. They're like, oh, well, the largest city is clearly the big blue city. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All these rural people will hate Philadelphia.

A bunch of the people there were clearly from Philadelphia. Philadelphia's not a fucking, oh my god. Oh, these East Coast elite, what, from Philly? Philly is where you're gonna be, the roots. Also, I get like the Josh Shapiro doesn't know a geopolitical means or whatever I can get that that's a bad version of whatever the dig You're trying to make it. It's just Sounds kind of dumb. I think this is sounds a little drunk. I think this is disrespectful

Yeah, I think this is disrespectful to the craft of being a piece of shit who riles people up like this. I agree. I agree. Especially because it's so pathetically like, I need the government to be my dad. Yeah, there is just like this, this just weak softness. And this is this was a point where I was like, oh, fuck yourself. And how is that city doing? I mean, it's a reliable source of political power for creeps like Josh Shapiro, because it's easy to rig it in Philadelphia. And that's what we spent all our time talking about.

What we never talk about is the zombies walking under public transportation there. And they're not zombies, actually. They're Americans with names. And they're not zombies, actually. They're Americans with names. And they're dying. And he doesn't care. And giving them a safe place to shoot up is not love. It's hate. What?

That's hate. I don't care what they call it. Depends on what you're shooting up, honestly. And that's what I mean about language. They can dress up hate as love. Oh, that's love, it's compassion. It's caring. It's harm reduction, really.

Your kid comes home and is like, I'm a junkie. You're like, well, here's some needles. I'm gonna give you some you time in your room to shoot fentanyl. What? You're gonna chamber the freaking radiator until he gets better. Of course, or do whatever you can So this is the kind of thought that sounds insightful but is actually really fucking stupid.

The way a parent might respond to their child doing drugs is different than how a government might respond to a resident doing drugs because the relationships and responsibilities are super different. If you just take this line of thinking a couple steps further, you can pretty easily see how it falls apart immediately. Governments shouldn't do clean needle programs and harm reduction programs because what they should do is metaphorically chain you to a radiator so you get off drugs, since that's what a good parent would do. A good parent is also required to house and feed their child until they're 18, so if the government should treat us like their beloved children even though your adults shouldn't

housing and food be free then. Extend it that way. Parents also largely dictate the diets of their children because kids would generally not eat healthy unless parents pushed them to. Does that mean Tucker thinks it's okay for the government to make us eat z-bugs? Because they should be able to mandate what we eat, because that's what parents do. A parent might say that their kid is grounded unless they clean their room, and that's an expression of love, teaching the kid about responsibility, taking care of chores. Does Tucker think that

the government should be able to confine you to your house if you don't do the dishes? Like, there's a thousand examples of this, to the point where it's hard to believe that Tucker wouldn't put in a little more effort to make his point sound less clearly stupid. As it stands, Tucker seems to want the government to exert parental control over him because it loves him, and he wants harsh sentences for victimless drug crimes. This is super cool stuff. I mean, you know, I think what I find fascinating about it is that of all the things that he is talking about with parental bullshit and the comparison, the one thing that he is not talking about is the one that I believe is

the underpinning of all of it, which is the concept of my house, my rules. This is my house. So long as you live here, I get to tell you what to do. If you don't want me to tell you what to do, then go somewhere else. I will kick you out of my house. Right. But that is final. You understand? Right, but that is final mm-hmm you understand so if you are making the comparison here

Then you don't get to bitch about what the government's doing at all there is no real Whining about tyranny if this is where you're coming from yeah Your it seems really stupid Yeah I have the complaints the sort of niche complaints that Tucker and Alex do When you view things through this lens, I don't get it It's dumb and I don't think that he doesn't understand that I don't understand how you could have a career like he has without

Conceptually understanding the problem and the inconsistency here. Right. Let's follow it further. Okay. So this father of this family, he's not caring about his family. Motherfucker is out. He's out in Ukraine signing bombs. Right. Right. Even though that was in Philly or Scranton. And even though he's sending money back to his family because he's getting paid for doing it. That's not important. So now this is happening, all right? And whatever he's doing doesn't matter.

He's gone. And you don't like what he's doing. So then what? Do you replace your father? Yeah. Do you get adopted by Putin? Do you, do you, yeah. I mean, right?

Do you like, do you vote him out? Putin's your stepdad. And if that's the case, then can you choose any father and if you can choose your father? Then you yourself are your own father by having the choice you have taken control of your own life Congratulations, we've just worked out why you're an idiot for believing all of this. It's the paradox. Yeah, so Tucker says something really dumb in this next clip. I think it's revealing and almost mind-blowingly ironic. OK. So the only way you judge people is by the effects of what they do. You judge the tree by the fruit.

And you can say, well, I'm a lemon tree. I'm a lemon tree. Bright orange tart, but delicious with diet coke. I'm a lemon tree. Really? Because those are pomegranates, honey. Those aren't lemons. You're lying. You are not a lemon tree. Those are pomegranates. I know because there's the fruit. You can tell me you care about the people of Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, but they're dying of drug odies and you're doing nothing other than sending more weapons of mass destruction to some creepy guy in a tracksuit.

So this is really interesting how Tucker uses the expression, you know a tree by its fruit. He seems to think that it means that you can tell a lemon tree is a lemon tree if it produces a lemon and likewise for a pomegranate bush. But that's not what the verse in the Bible means. And anybody who's read Matthew 7 wouldn't know that. It literally goes on to say, quote, Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore, by their fruits you will know them." In Jesus' words, this means that the healthiness of a particular tree is assessed by the fruit that it bears, not that you can identify a tree based on what sort of fruit it makes. It's very obvious from the verse, and anyone who's taken the Bible seriously at any point in their life would not make that kind of conceptual mistake. In order to have the interpretation Tucker has, you would have to have seen this verse in a meme, but never actually read the first books of the New Testament.

You'd be a real dick. I've said this before, but I think the only thing that really would get in the way of Christianity spreading and taking over is the whole Christ thing. Once you get rid of him, baby, open season. Oh, gangbusters. Yeah. So making this kind of a mistake that Tucker's making is what they call a tell in the poker business. Yeah.

This mistake reveals that he doesn't really know anything about the book that he's professing to center his life around. He doesn't know shit about the teachings of the person he claims to serve and he's fighting demons for. In an ironic way, this is the fruit by which you can pretty clearly know Tucker's tree. It's a bad tree. He's a tree that's full of shit. The next verses in Matthew 7 are ones that Tucker should reflect on a bunch in the coming days. Quote, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, cast

out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? And I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me, evildoers. If there's a hell, I'm pretty sure Tucker is destined to end up there and this kind of behavior is Exactly why yeah Yeah, this is sacrilege yeah, yeah But I mean it does go back to that earlier. Just like they are they will not be held accountable to either No, they won't be held accountable to actual political ideology or religious ideology

It is just I am going to say what I need to say to get rich to get power To and frankly just cuz I'm bored and I hate you Like if that that makes that's the only thing that makes sense now for me listening to this is like Does he just want to go places where he hates people and then say it to their faces? I mean, if so, congrats. That's fucking crazy, man. But like, there was a part of me that if I take seriously what he's saying, if I believe that what he's expressing is actually what he believes, and like, I come away with the

feeling that what he's motivated by is he wants power to love him. Yeah. That is like really what's driving this. Sure. And he feels that Trump loves him. Sure. And he feels like everyone else doesn't. And so he's supporting Trump because he wants the figurehead of power, the manifestation

of power to personally love him. Right. And the way that he feels that like Putin does or Orban or Bolsonaro these people love and respect him now and he wants power to do that and I think that's sad but I also don't think that he's being totally straight up about his beliefs true and what he wants so there is an element of it that could be like he does just want say, fuck you too. A group of people.

I mean, he is fucking nuts. I imagine, ironically, we would all be better off if his dad had read some books about raising kids. Ah, yeah. And wasn't a spy. Just throwing that out there. So in this next clip Tucker says something that I think is kind of okay, which is that if you delight in the deaths of civilians, you suck.

Sure. Great. Yeah. Anybody who takes delight in the death of civilians is a freak. That's just a fact. And there's something forbidden about saying that, particularly if you're on the right. I've been on the right my whole life. I've never been on the right. I've been on the right my whole life. I've never been on the left. I've never been some freaky liberal, okay? Ever. And I never will be. So I think I have the authority to say, if you take delight in the suffering of other

human beings, you're evil. And I mean that. That's what my religion tells me. That's what common sense tells me, that's disgusting. That's disgusting. And yet they do. Because the truth is, they're violence worshipers, actually. They're violence worshipers. They are.

They are. So by this point, Tucker is about 15 minutes into his rant, and he seems a little fucked up. Like, he was jumping topic to topic, making insane proclamations, and overall seeming like maybe he was hanging out with Alex before the show. Sure. He's giving off Alex vibes. Sure.

Sure. I do agree that delighting and killing civilians is bad, but it's probably a little meaningless to insist people are evil if they do it. Plus, then we need to litigate what counts as delighting and killing civilians, because a lot of Tucker's early 2000s career would definitely be characterized by including that. Yeah. This all just sounds like an uncentered, pandering, and confused demagogue trying to work a crowd

and getting like 75% of the response they're going for, but in that clip, he says that there's something wrong with killing civilians and there's something forbidden about saying that on the right. Yeah. What are you talking about, man. Yeah, what are you talking about man, man? What are you talking about? I have no fucking clue Tucker. Why do you expand on that a little bit? Tell me more about that is where? Man yeah, y'all are fucked up, but those left people are weird those are the people who are crazy Fine freaky liberals, whatever I'll take that I've never been part of them. Fine. Freaky

liberals. Whatever. I'll take that. I'll be a freaky liberal. What the fuck are you talking about, man? You're crazy. See, they worship violence is the thing. I don't understand how you can be a freaky liberal who fucks all the time and yet also worship violence. It's all in there. Too busy fucking man. Nope. I'm dancing with my nips right now. They worship violence. It's all in there. Too busy fucking man. Nope. I'm dancing with my nips right now. They worship violence. Alright. And that, that is why Dick Cheney now supports Kamala Harris. What?

Right? What? Because they all worship violence. What? They love violence, that's why every federal agency with guns, they've taken over. No, it's they love it. Who's they this time? Why do they love it?

Because it makes them feel like God, that's they who's they this time. I do they love it because it makes them feel like God. That's why Because the one power that God possesses that we do not possess is the power to create and end life You can kill in self-defense. We can argue about what self-defense is. I mean, that's you know, it's a whole It's a whole conversation, which is a legitimate conversation, but what we know we can't focus is a legitimate conversation but what we know we can't focus we are not gonna get rich you can't be dick Cheney actually sorry it's not allowed okay and so when dick Cheney and his creepy freaky little daughter join the Carmela Harris for president campaign everyone's like oh, oh, that's so shocking. I can't quite believe that. No, no, no. All the people who worship violence are now on

the same side. This is cute and all, but Tucker needs to drop the bullshit. He fully supported Cheney when it mattered whether he supported him or not. And he's not going to get a single point for being anti Cheney now because he doesn't like Trump. This is a coward's version of having principles and go fuck yourself. If you follow the train of thought that he's on here, it goes like this. The left worships violence because violence makes them feel like God. This is because the only power that God has that we don't is the ability to create and

destroy life. Already I have to stop and say that this isn't true. God created the universe, which we can't do. I can get someone pregnant and have a kid or kill someone. I could do those things. Those are literally powers that I have. Tucker, it makes no sense here. One could argue those are the only final powers anyone has. Yes. Tucker is on one. I do think that your responsive focus is Right on because there was a sense in the room of like

What where you go, man? Hey, come on, man You're dipping off the wrong end of the night. I think people were a little confused where he was going But then he got him back with the shitting on Cheney. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So that's that's fine See we can't kill and we can't make life because God can do that But okay, I disagree But because we're not God we can't kill people because they're in the way or kill people to get rich, right? Which kind of implies that God can do that. It does feel that weird. Why would God do that? Why would you want a God who could do that? God wants to get rich. What is what is going on man?

No, what is happening? Yeah Tucker? I don't know. What is happening? Yeah, Tucker was really spinning his wheels. Yeah, I mean, I guess it really never occurred to me what it would be like to just be somebody who goes up on a stage in front of thousands of people and talks, you know, without chops, without having spent a long time figuring out, like, oh, I've got this bed, I've got this whole thing. I've done this a million times. Whenever I go out here, I am prepared for all of this stuff. And I've got bits, and I've got material, and not just that, I've got the confidence

in knowing that if my bits don't work, I'm in. I can get in with these people and go, this is awful. Yeah. And it's one of the things that actually sticks out about the difference between Tucker and Alex is that Alex is working the crowd. Tucker, they'll respond well to things when he says them, the things they like, but he has no control over the audience. He is not in any way engaged in like, set a punchline or like the flow of where he, like how his monologue is going.

He's too famous. He's just famous, yeah. Yeah, he's going to get a positive response throughout for most of whatever he says. So I just don't think he cares that much. And he sounds really stupid. Yeah. I don't know he cares that much and he sounds really stupid yeah it's it's so weird it's so weird because you expect like oh the people at that spot doing those things have to have worked their way up there and then it's like man I can go to a thousand two-year-in stand-up comics who have put

more thought into the three minutes They're gonna do to nobody. Yeah, I think then Tucker I think Tucker has gotten to the point where he can like do an opening monologue for a TV show in his sleep Yeah, and I think that that's kind of some of the vibe that he's giving off here Yeah, which doesn't fully work in a live environment, but he's playing with the crowd enough that it's not totally jarring, but there's enough points where there's a disconnect that it feels like a more capable hand could have done better here. So Tucker goes on and sounds like an idiot some more.

The one thing they're good at, the only thing, their unique talent, it's not building anything. It's not creating anything. When was the last time someone built something beautiful and useful in Redding? When was the last time one of your leaders was like, you know, we're going to make it better in Redding? Well, it's been a long time. Josh Shapiro hasn't done it. But the one thing they are good at is seizing the moral high ground. Immediately. No matter what they're doing, whether it's giving drugs to junkies, crackpipes to crackheads,

abetting the largest example of human trafficking in the history of the West, which is what they're doing right now, is they move 15 million people illegally into our country from around the world. The girls get sold off to coyotes. They did that. They're human traffickers at scale. Stude sounds like an angsty teen yelling about his parents, which makes sense considering all the other shit he said in the speech.

Immigration isn't human trafficking and I don't particularly care about whining about who has a moral high ground. That's abstract and kind of subjective, so it's not really a productive conversation. However, the Northeast Fire Station in Redding had their grand opening on September 21st, just a few days before Tucker's show. This is a very modern fire station that was in the works for almost a decade, and they literally had their ribbon cutting ceremony a few days before this. They used $5 million from the federal government under the American Rescue Plan,

and it'll be able to serve the community much better than their previous outdated firehouse, not to mention the amenities it'll provide for the firefighters when they're not responding to calls. It's a huge improvement. About a month before this, the Redding Skate Park Association finally opened a public outdoor skate park after years of trying to get this done. They had a dedication ceremony in late August, and it was made possible by a $200,000 grant from the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources, as well as $200,000 from the America Rescue Plan and $855,000 from the Capital Improvement Program. It really feels like Tucker just doesn't care at all to know about any of the stuff he says,

because the thing he plans on saying feels good and the audience doesn't care if he's being accurate or not it's all just it comes off as very dumb but also cynical and malicious towards the crowd when's the last time that they did anything here in reading a couple days ago they open this fucking firehouse yeah it is it is so much not perfect but there is a counter example of what you're fucking talking about. No, it's it's disdain It's disgust like the idea isn't because he's not coming in saying oh What is the government the government hasn't built this for you? He thinks he's saying that but what he's actually saying to these people is you can't do anything for yourselves

that but what he's actually saying to these people is you can't do anything for yourselves you know I mean your children you're you're you're not a community you're just a bunch of idiots yes fingerprints you're fucking people if if if something happens to you none of you are capable of banding together and helping each other if you need something none of you are capable of coming together and figuring out a way to get it. It does not come off complimentary. No. Towards what he seems to think.

No, he's just a giant piece of shit, man. But he also seems to be trying to do some bad comedy. This next clip, I think, kind of fits that. It's just, it's really weird. There was an analysis done, Bobby Kennedy told me this, and I checked it, it's just, it's really weird. There was an analysis done, Bobby Kennedy told me this and I checked it, it's true. In the last election, Biden voters owned 70% of the wealth in the United States and Trump voters owned 30%.

And I thought to myself, on the one hand, it's like, okay, Republican party's down the party of working class people, great, but then I thought, how did they get 70% of the wealth? They don't do anything, actually. They have no skills. There's nothing they do that we really need. In fact, most of it's bad.

I mean, ask yourself, if your average Biden voter somehow, like, pulled out of the workforce, would you be okay? No, I'm really. Like, how long do you think this country could survive without private equity? A week? Before we all just starve to death. How long could you and your family make it without a DEI consultant on site? No, I'm serious.

Could you get to Halloween? Or would one of your little children stare up at you with doe eyes and say, Mommy, I need a DEI consultant. I need it now. I need it now. Honestly, I need a school counselor or some heavy set nurses who can convince me to go trans. I need that.

Honestly, I need Tim Walz talking to me about my sex life in high school. So, that thing he's citing about Bobby Kennedy that I told him that it's not true. No. He's misinterpreting data that showed the counties that voted for Biden represented about 70% of the aggregate gross domestic product. That's not the same thing as Biden voters holding 70% of the wealth. Bobby Kennedy is a fucking mess, so who knows what he actually understands, but I don't believe that Tucker doesn't know that he's misrepresenting this stat for malicious purposes. Yeah.

Also, he makes an interesting argument that Biden voters are unessential. Alex has spent years talking about how calling some workers unessential during the pandemic was the first step in a plan to killing off most of the population. So shouldn't that same logic apply to Tucker? No, probably not. If you listen to that clip, though, you can see a very fascinating glimpse into what this is versus what Tucker probably thinks this is. He's doing his little riff about how Biden voters aren't important. And he asks, how long can we live without private equity? The room is silent. No one responds to that. No one thinks it's funny. And no one cares.

Then he shits on the idea of a DEI consultant and the place pops off. This gets a good response because that's what this show is about. The audience just wants to yell about the things they're supposed to be mad about like Wokeness. It's a dumb show, but on some level I think Tucker wants to be doing something that has a more potent critique of things like private equity. But if you listen to this, it couldn't be more clear that these people just want to hear him say shitty stuff about the groups they don't like so they can register their

approval with cheers. Yep. That's what Tucker's work is. He tries to make a dig at something that's a real problem in the country and maybe we should address it, and he gets crickets. He jangles some keys in front of the audience by making a reference to a social media-driven culture war panic, and he gets cheers and and laughter it's not much deeper than that nope that's a microcosm right there yeah yeah play Hotel California Eagles

right shut the fuck up and play Hotel California all right maybe life's been good to me so far I know that's not an Eagles song as a Joe Walsh solo but still we want to hear it so um I I'm gonna skip this next clip because I don't care. It's just Tucker talking about how for a split second before she gathers herself, Kamala Harris looks scared when the cameras are on her. Okay, great. Don't care. Every time?

All the time. Every time, okay. So Jack Posobic is the first guest he brings out. And I don't care. I went and got a pretzel in the middle of it. I don't give a shit about Jack Psobik. He seems like a kid who's trying too hard. And I don't believe him.

But he's promoting his book. He has a book called Bulletproof. We talked about this. He stopped the printing of it because there was a second shooting assassination attempt. Yeah, I recall. Yeah. And so this is, this is developed and now he's not just doing a book. He's doing a full on investigation of these assassinations.

Tucker, I don't trust Josh Shapiro. I definitely don't trust Merrick Garland. So what we've decided to do with this, it started as a book. We're launching our own investigation into what went on and we've decided to do with this, it started as a book, we're launching our own investigation into what went on and we've hired a private investigative firm and some of whom are actually in the crowd today, it's just FYI, and we are going to be expanding that investigation from Bethel Park to Butler down to West Palm Beach, all the way out to Hawaii.

Tucker, we're going to go to Ukraine if we have to. We are going to get to the bottom of what happened. We're calling it the bulletproof project. Because I just don't trust any of these people. I don't trust any of these people. Be careful in Ukraine. I may not go personally again over there, but the one thing that we have learned, Tucker, is this bounty, the $150,000, and I promised people that I would drop some news. So I had the information about the bounty on Friday. We found that out today. I didn't know the Department of Justice

would be publicizing the bounty like it's a John Wick movie. And they put it out there. Matt Gaetz comes on my show a couple of days ago. And he says, there's five assassination teams targeting Trump. Five assassination teams, three of which have foreign ties. I think we know one of them already, and then two of which are domestic. What people need to understand is the bounty and the five assassination teams are tied. It's like they're actually competing

for this bounty. Donald Trump's very life is on the line. And every time he goes up to speak now, he has to stand behind what I call leftist glass because they keep trying to kill him. He's a brave man. He's a brave man. So as the premise for a sincere investigation this sounds so stupid but it kind of sounds like a good book launch campaign. It does sound pretty good for launching a book. Yeah pretending to be investigating a rash of assassination attempts in an effort to create an over dramatized story You sell as a book or maybe a series of books. Maybe a documentary. That's a good scam But this dude just sounds like a fucking dork

Does he actually think that there are multiple professional assassin teams that would accept an open competitive Contract to kill the former president for a hundred fifty thousand dollars Nothing. It's ridiculous. Are you telling me that like we could crown fund the murder of a president? I get that it sounds like a lot of money to you or me in our lives. But in the world of crime, that's jack shit. Alex brings in more than that many days just from the info wars store on a single day. There's no way that's the going rate for presidential level assassin. Jesus Christ. How does he think this plays out like someone kills Trump and then they call the State Department looking for payment like today? globalists

Do you need to bring like a vial of his blood to prove you did it? What do you do? I mean well This is dumb. This is stupid. Yes. This is just too stupid It's you have to leave a calling card obviously right you have to leave your fucking S&T Joker card and that way everybody will be like oh it was them and then it'll turn out that Actually, that is your calling card the assassin team that frames other assassin tea And I like obviously if you're doing this and you succeed, you're going to get set up. They're not going to pay you that $150,000. We've all seen this movie.

It's a trap. What is wrong with you that you would take? What are you a bargain assassin? This is dumb. Jesus Christ. But fun. So Tucker begins to bring out Alex. And you can tell the room, the energy shifted.

People were real excited. Okay. I want to bring out our next guest And let me let me just say We had a little trouble finding an arena that would take him because he's so controversial And I'm I'm grateful I'm grateful to Where we are right now and to the people of Pennsylvania. But let me just say... So one thing you could feel in the room was the intensity of the response that Alex got was way higher than for Jack, and probably on par with or higher than the response for

Tucker. This was a crowd that was excited about the idea of seeing Alex. I'm a hater. I loved shit on Alex for his embarrassments. But in this case, it would be super unfair to do that. The crowd was into him being introduced and there were a bunch of Infowars shirts in the crowd. He had fans in the building.

Cool. There's something about the way Tucker stops himself before thanking the arena that makes me think they told him not to say their name. Probably smart. I don't know if that was part of the agreement of doing the show, but it feels intentional. It's either that or he just like forgot the venue's name. Also possible.

Also possible, he's a piece of shit, could go either way. It's pretty conspicuous. Yeah. So Tucker is bringing out Alex, and the only rationale that he ever gives for being like, Alex is cool, is that he predicted 9-11. Sure. And so that's the credit. Is that really all we're gonna do, huh? Yep. All right. So Alex Jones was one of those people you're supposed to be

very shocked by. Here's the one fact about Alex Jones that I can't get over. Alex Jones predicted 9-11. And he did, no, think about this for a sec, and he did so on tape. Now I worked in television my whole life. When you're on TV, there's a timestamp. We don't need to guess. I'm on TV for decades saying super dumb things, which live forever on YouTube.

Alex Jones in the summer of 2001 said, you need to call the White House right now because planes are going to hit the World Trade Center and they're going to blame it on Osama bin Laden. He said that. I've seen the tape. You can look it up. So no, check this out. So I lived in DC at the time. Trust me. I was in, I had a daily news show on another channel. Not one person was saying anything like that. So Alex Jones says that it's on tape. We can prove he said that It happens Why didn't the US government call Alex Jones and say how could you have not clearly clearly you're a prophet of some kind We need you in this global war on terror because

clearly you can see things that nobody else can see. That's incredible. Have you even met anybody who's predicted something like that? No, you haven't. Like I've never met anyone. I met everybody. I've never met anybody who did anything like that. But instead of celebrating Alex Jones for making the most unbelievable call in the history of the news business, they said about the FBI sets about trying to destroy him. And so begins this incredible saga of lies about Alex Jones, which you probably all heard about.

I'm not going to relitigate it, but that was the FBI that did that. Probably best not to relitigate that. So we've been over this a bunch of times, but Tucker is talking about an edited clip of Alex that he's seen and he's never thought to look more into. Alex said multiple different things, but not together. He said that people should call the White House and tell them not to blame a false flag on Bin Laden. That is true.

He also speculated that the World Trade Center was a potential target because Bin Laden had already attacked the World Trade Center was a potential target because bin Laden had already attacked the World Trade Center and this was a not an Uncommon prediction particularly in conspiracy media at the time. Yeah, like with Bill Cooper Yeah, Alex did not say they were gonna fly planes into the World Trade Center and blame bin Laden He listed using dummy planes to create fake civilian casualties as one of the long list of things that were mentioned in as one of the long list of things that were mentioned in Operation Northwoods. These things that Alex said during his broadcast have been spliced together to make it look like a much more coherent prediction than it was, and he's managed to fool Tucker Carlson, which honestly doesn't seem that hard.

Someone talked him into supporting the Iraq War, so I don't really have a high expectation for his ability to assess information. Also, I take some offense at the way that Tucker is derisively saying the words war on terror as if the very idea is a joke. His career is built on defending that idea. Shifting your position on something like this requires accountability, which he has not taken, and I find that to just be really gross. Yep.

Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Fuck these people. Throw them off the ship, gross. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Fuck these people. Throw them off the ship, bro. Yep. Get them out of here. So we, you know, I think it's sensible to think like, eh, Tucker's putting up with Alex, but he wants to make it clear in this beginning

that no, I love this man. Sure. He is the most amazing person I have ever met in my life. Great. If there's one thing to know about Alex Jones, it's that. And on the basis of that, I will always believe, and I will always say in public, that Alex Jones is the most extraordinary person I've ever met. And so I am proud to have him.

Not having him here because it's like, naughty, ooh, Alex Jones. It's like, no, no, no. I'm proud to know Alex Jones. I'm proud to know the person who tried to warn the country about the worst terror attack in our history and was persecuted for it. And with that, ladies and gentlemen, Alex Jones. It's so funny going back to the point that intro was too good Immediately work in the crowd. Yeah. Yep. They cut out some of the Like him coming out. Yeah And it's just like a big pop, you know, like I don't sure I don't know why they cut it out But they edit it a little bit there, but nothing really

Wild happens so they could say it was a 10 minute long standing ovation it probably was yeah, so there you go It was a long standing ovation. That's worth of minutes It was too long it felt weird I bet Alex coming out chase guys are behind him with the camera so weird What are these people doing? So Tucker refuses to be ashamed to know Alex, okay cool man All right good for you. Yeah, proud of you, okay It goes back to what I was saying earlier that the only thing they're good at is seizing

the moral high ground, and they try to make you ashamed of the best things about your life, like being married or having normal kids or not castrating your children or whatever, or knowing Alex Jones. They're like, oh, how can you know Alex Jones? And I'm sick of it. And I'm just going to say that Alex Jones is my friend. There's nothing to be ashamed of there. I'm not ashamed, and you shouldn't be either.

They should be ashamed. He called 9-11 and they tried to put him in jail for it. So anyway, thank you. Well, thanks for having me. I gotta say, I love you. This is a beautiful state full of beautiful people, and when we get President Trump elected, all of us together are going to lift the curse off of this country, and we're going to send the globalists to prison! Alex knows not to end anything he's saying without some kind of a giant applause line. Yep. And so he... That's the way of a giant applause line. Yep.

And so he... That's the way you do it. Yes. What else are you there for? Yeah. But it's a little too much. It's a little too much? How long does he got?

He... I mean, the whole show is about an hour and a half. Okay. Tucker probably did about 15, 20-ish up top. Right. Jack Posobic does about 20. So maybe Alex is on stage for 45 minutes and or so and yeah, and he can't keep that energy up. It's not too hot Yeah, and so that kind of there's diminishing returns sure sure sure sure quite boring as it goes along

Yeah, I mean no your classic rules first tens gotta be hot, middle 25, fuckin', you know, have some fun. That's Psobeck. Closer's gotta be fire. But the 10 minutes starting out top or whatever, the intro that Tucker did was not hot. It was whiny. Yeah. And it came off very weak.

Yeah. And then he had Jake Psobeck on, and it was kind of dull. And then Alex comes in and business picks up because he's yelling, oh, boy, I got a business present! Sure, sure, sure. And he knows what the audience wants to react to. So he's giving them that in a much more

condensed and structured way than anyone else is. And that's kind of all he's doing. That's what he's there for. It's amazing to meet all these great people, whether they're black, white, old, young, to see the electricity in people's eyes that are populous and that are Americans and that

love God and that love children and love freedom and hate tyranny. I can feel the strength long this is going to end, but if they want to fight, they better believe they've got one. Hey, you said it. You said the thing. Yep. Fun. There it is.

So now there is something that's really strange about this that I wouldn't have really understood if I wasn't there. And that is that Alex is staring off into the middle distance the whole time. There is an intensity that he is not looking at Jack or Tucker because I think that he would get cues from them to shut up. Yeah, that would be a problem. Yeah. And so he's just looking off into nowhere being like the globalist want to kill everybody. Right. Right. Right. It feels bizarrely anti-social.

I can get no social cues and thus I am free. Yeah. I will feel bad if I get that look from Tucker that he wants to say something. Oh no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And so as you're there, I mean, obviously it's an arena and so you don't see that they're pretty small on stage Yeah, so you see the like video shot of their like, you know The screen sure sure sure sure and a lot of the time when it's Alex talking They're very careful not to show Tucker because I think you might have been annoyed. Yeah Because he won't shut the fuck up amused and somewhat annoyed at points. I like the idea of an aggressive solipsism competition. So you're in the same room.

How can you possibly not believe that there's another human being there? Guess what? This is how. Yeah. Good luck pretending I don't exist. I'm loud. I bet you... And I won't shut up. Yep, there you go.

So Jack brings up that Alex is anti-war. Sure. And that's something that is real credit to him. Okay. The one thing I always give Alex props for that no one ever gives him credit for, Alex Jones has stood against war for 30 years every single day of his career. Well... stood against war for 30 years every single day of his career. Well. But I'm for the war peacefully with information against the globalists.

The real war is here with the... Well. ...and sorrows and Obama and the New World Order and Black Rock. They're the corner on us and we accept the challenge. We're taking the country back. Amen. 1776. This is junk food. You tell him. No, you say it. The answer to 1984 is 1776. 1776. It began right here. 1776. 1776! It began right here! 1776! 1776!

You know Alex, you know Alex, the real were only about an hour away from where they did the real 1776. That's why exactly! Bless you for saying that. Bless you for saying that. This is so weird. He's coming out too hot. Yeah, yeah, this is too much. It's too hot.

It's too hot. I feel like I need to brush my teeth. It's so sweet. This is saccharine sweet. But man, they're loving it. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, everybody loves that first bite.

The pep rally vibe. Jesus Christ. Are they going somewhere after this? I mean, Alex is clearly keeping the party going. Right? Like they were like, yeah, let's go to the store! Like what are we doing? Are we getting drunk? What's happening? I did hear over here a lot of people talking about drinking at the hotel bar. Good. Next door. I would need to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So Tucker asks Alex a question, which I think is foolish in this environment. But it's a question that's about like all of these secular people in my life They've been talking about God a lot lately sure. How do you what do you think about?

What do you think about that and then Alex just kind of I mean? Why ask him questions? Why would you what what it's just do what what to get going down this road wind him up? Yeah, yeah, and in the last year, I know more people in my secular world Just get going down this road. Wind him up! Yeah! And in the last year, I know more people in my secular world who are mentioning God in conversation. And I don't know if you're having this experience, it's very striking to me. Do you notice this? When we followed God, we had nothing but prosperity and success.

Oh boy. When we got rid of God, everything fell apart. I mean, people think Texas is a boom place. It's got the crime, the filth, the Satanism, the degeneracy, the pedophiles. Pennsylvania, gorgeous state, fell apart in 10 years. California, one of the most beautiful places in the world. Total deep red.

Ronald Reagan. Total crap hole now. So this is about God? And people are recognizing that because now they the world. Total deep red. Ronald Reagan. Total crap hole now. It's spiritual blight. And people are recognizing that because now they understand we are getting sucked down a vortex into literal hell. We gotta reach back up to God and God will take us out of this. Man. Is it, you've been saying that for decades.'ve always wondered I've asked you this like 20 times in private over dinner. I'm proud to say we have dinner

And I but I asked you to throw up over boys answer But since there are thousands of people watching maybe you will now what's it like to be vindicated on everything? Yeah, how does this handjob feel? Good a little rubbery. I feel good a little rubbery I You know what it turns out I like a firm handjob your limp shit is not doing me any good Yeah, oh boy Alex's question at least kind of got or his answer kind of got back to God We're being sucked into the vortex or whatever doesn't really Directly address the secular people talking about God, but

whatever, it's close enough. But then that question, what does it feel like to be vindicated about everything, is green-walled level. This is sad. Yep. Yep. How does it feel to be the most right? But also, if you say something that disagrees with me, I'm more right than you, but also we won't talk about it on the stage. So when Alex is being confronted with a question like, how does it feel to be the most right, but also if you say something that disagrees with me I'm more right than you, but also we won't talk about it on the stage. So when Alex is being confronted with a question like how does it feel to be vindicated about everything, he starts to realize I think a bunch of the shit I said hasn't come true. There is that. We're supposed to be having an Ebola outbreak right now.

That would be big. And that did not happen. Nope. So hold on, I need to explain this somehow. No you don't. Yeah he does. No you don't I need to explain this somehow. No, you don't. Yeah, he does. No, you don't. And here's, here's this genius. I was making predictions with the proviso that if you call the White House to tell them don't fly planes to the World Trade Center and then bring in the police state and then invade the Muslim countries to bring them in here, you know, not even go after

radical Islam. If you do all, I was thinking if you call the White House and tell them don't do it, they may not do it. But of course, I have a big enough audience, people didn't believe me, so we couldn't stop them. So I make these predictions about probable futures, because I can see all the evidence pointing towards it, so that we can stop it. But now the good news with Elon and you

and so many others that are fully awake and reaching a lot more people than I ever did, folks are really waking up and their knowledge curve is going parabolic right now. So we're in the driver's seat but that makes the globalists very dangerous and the Empire is gonna strike back. How? Well they always love to pre-program it so Klaus Schwab is a cyber attack will make COVID look like a minor inconvenience. Kind of a Russian accent instead of a German one.

Of course you will eat the bugs and you will love it. But these are real quotes. We don't need too many people in the future to polish the robots. These are real quotes. They're real quotes. It's a, we got, we got kind of a Boris and Natasha. Then we got a Marvin the Martian. And then I think we ended with the Schwarzenegger.

The Marvin the Martian might have actually been Dr. Strangelove. Oh, I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. I think because I feel like he's done that before. I can see that. Sure. Um, so I think that it's good form to explain away why you're wrong about everything because

your predictions Stopped these horrible things right like he stopped the Ebola outbreak because he talked about it right perfect I like the idea what a hero I like the idea that it is only because you weren't popular enough mm-hmm that 9-eleven happen you could have saved the world from 9-eleven if people liked you more back then. If I understand correctly, if Alex was more popular, we wouldn't have had 9-eleven. Yep. And that's a real tragedy that people were resistant to his charm. I mean, I guess if we're going to do a Donnie Darko style, where did it all go wrong time loop close, we got to make Alex Jones a lot more popular in July of 2001.

Yep. That's the key. That sounds right. So I'm going to give you a choice. Okay. Um, run away from reading Pennsylvania. Is that how the choose your own adventure? I didn't want it to end. Yeah, I definitely was like, I'm glad that Alex is getting the adoration of this crowd. I'm sure that's really happy for him. I'm sure it feels good Yeah, but it's boring as shit. Yeah, just saying say like a lot of the same shit. I hear him say all the time Yeah, and Tucker's thing was really far more interesting from a the psycho dynamic sure sure sure sure

but Here's my choice. What's that for you? Yeah, I have a clip of Alex talking for two straight minutes and it's nonsense. Do you want to hear that or not? I mean... Barely taking a breath. In all honesty, I might fall asleep. Yeah. But go for it.

Okay. All you folks who just want to be good, decent people and live a good life and experience God's great creation and love God, you need to be good decent people and live a good life and experience God's great creation love God. You need to be gotten out of the way for the rise of their new uber mentioned Superman. So we're right back to all of that and that's why you have the official plan of depopulation by the U.N. down to five hundred million. That's an eighty plus percent reduction. That's official.

That was on the Georgia Guidestones in Georgia till somebody blew it up. But nobody got hurt thank God so so the agenda is your garbage you're just a consumer you're like weevils in the in the pantry eating their their their flower or something and you just have to be gotten rid of because you don't fit into their beautiful magic wonderful plan I was watching the Davos group you'll have meetings all the time at their World Government Summit about a year ago. Through a palantir? How were you watching them?

And he said, listen, people don't want your world government. It centralizes things. It's tyranny. People are rejecting you. We need diversity of countries and sovereignty and peoples like firewalls in a building or bulkheads in a ship. But in some of the other meetings they had these globals that were going, we're just doing something so beautiful what we're bringing them and I don't know why they're opposing us and don't trust us. Well because you just want to depopulate us because you're selfish demonic pigs who love the raw power of destroying people because America for all its faults was

the best house in a bad neighborhood and the whole world, the whole world for 100, 200 plus years, but really the last 100, aspired to come here, aspired to have our freedom. And the globalists can't have this country exist and have their horrible global technocracy, slave plantation, AI system in charge if there's a place that's still free and open compared to everywhere else.

So we've got to be brought down and used to bring tyranny to the world while we're being destroyed and while we're paying for it. So the whole world turns against us and we collapse. And so the idea of America is discredited so that other people around the world don't ever try to go the path of our republic, which is diametrically opposed to their globalist, satanic death cult. And that's why they're attacking America. So that kind of, I think is representative of his whole thing.

Sure. Which is these long, fuck it, take a breath kind of rants where people are confused. They don't really know what he's talking about. They want to cheer sometimes. Yes. But he's talking about. They want to cheer sometimes. Yes. But he's interrupting them. Yeah. He's on a razor's edge of saying stuff that's confusing and kind of boring. Yeah. Hitting applause lines, not accepting some applause points. Standing on top of him, yeah. Because he's worried that he's not gonna get the mic

back. Right. If he lets them applaud. Right, right right because then Tucker or Jack can sneak in he kind of has no confidence in his ability to speak slowly and be listened to right right just as dumb I mean I think I think his I think his point that he's making is, if you don't want people to come here, you should turn it into a shithole. And that's the globalist plan. Ooh, but he doesn't want people to come here. It's true. So he should be a globalist. Um, I mean, I wish Tucker would ask him that. I mean, it feels like a fair, fairly simple, straightforward reading of they're trying to, we were a city on a hill, blah, blah, blah. Reagan. Uh, now they want to take that away because we can't be an inspiration to everybody else. Uh, everybody is wanted to come here. I hate immigration because of Reagan. Uh,

now it's a shit hole. So people need to stop coming. Yeah. Speaking of Reagan, uh, I didn't cut out this clip, but there's a part where Alex is talking about Bohemian Grove. Sure. And he's like, yeah, that used to be how they'd compromise the Republicans by making them do gay stuff. Yeah. And he's like, notoriously, Nixon and Reagan were the ones who said no.

And I'm like, you had Bob Chapman on talking about a video of Reagan getting pegged. Reagan said, yeah, baby. You're denying your own mythology. Come on, man. So Tucker does not get to ask many questions or butt in all that much, but he does say some stupid things. The thing that I can't get past is

to put the destruction of other human beings as a goal. That's not a human desire. Like animals don't commit genocide actually. That's not natural. That's not natural at all. Like there may be people in your way and you're a bad person and you kill them, but the idea of desiring to kill huge numbers of people,

like that can only be supernatural, it feels like. And that's what the Bible tells us is there's an outside force. Animals absolutely commit acts of genocide. There are primate behaviors that fit this definition and it's basically the whole idea of how lion social organization works. Like I do think that there is a philosophical argument you can make about animals not being capable of understanding an act of genocide. But things that would descriptively be described as genocide are in the animal kingdom.

It's so stupid to just say, like, it must be supernatural evil or whatever. But that's where they are. Okay. So there's a bunch of wasps that, while you're still alive, they lay their eggs inside of you, and then you live, and then the eggs hatch and then eat you alive from the inside out. So you're awake and conscious as your insides

are being eaten by another animal's offspring. That's just also out there in the normal world. That's in the natural world? Yeah, so I think... That's not genocide. No. But it's weird. It's freakier.

I would be more... I would be less freaked out by somebody being like, we gotta kill everybody, than somebody being like, oh, I'm gonna lay my eggs inside of your body. There's like funguses that can take over bugs' brains and shit. Totally. To the point where I saw an energy drink that said it had cordyceps in it and I said no. No, no, no, no, no, no. That's how they get you.

Exactly. Predictive programming. I play Last of Us, I'm not drinking this energy drink. Yeah, not a chance. Fuck you. Jesus Christ, people. There's some strange stuff in the natural world that Tucker's not accounting for. This is stupid.

So bring up the gay frogs thing because Tucker's trying to whitewash and launder all of Alex's greatest hits. I was talking to someone the other day who's not conservative who said to me off camera, the chemicals in our water, for example, are changing the sex of frogs. And I didn't want to be mean. I didn't want to be mean. But I did say, are you telling me they're turning the frogs gay? And this person didn't get the reference at all and goes, yeah, that's basically right.

Everything you've said about the chemical poisoning of the human body is now just kind of accepted. Like is it weird to see science catch up to you? Well, I mean look, what happened, and I knew what they were doing, this is like 15 years ago, I did like an hour-long analysis from South African University and a University of Japan, a University of, I think, Rice in Houston, and a University of Berkeley in California, that just a little bit of Atrazine would bend the gender of almost all the frogs, sterilize a lot of them, and turn a large

portion of them where they would try to have sex with males and confuse them so much in their development as embryos floating around in the Krieger pond. And so I did all that science, then I said, listen, you did all that science? This is about hating gay people or something. This is about chemicals in the water that turn the friggin frogs gay and went on to say and then their populations collapse and they die and the frogs are a microcosm of us well then every within two weeks every late night comedy show every one of them came out and did a monologue and attacked me and then it turned out later that they were being directed by

major foundations and the CIA. They even later bragged, oh yeah, Chuckie Schumer, we work with a body with him and a foundation. They actually came to them with a script that said attack Alex Jones because they went, ignore the hour of serious stuff he talked about, make it a joke. So their joke about frogs made it blow up even bigger in their face. So there really never was that much controversy on the basis of the claim that Alex was making. Those studies about Etroxine were real, he's just exaggerating them and applying them to

things that didn't relate, like saying that because it could make frogs change sex that the chemical could maybe do that to people. Alex screamed about how the water was a gay bomb and all kinds of shit, desperately courting attention and then some people gave it of shit, desperately courting attention. And then some people gave it to him, generally by mocking him. He's also fucking up his story here. This was long ago. And the whole thing about scripts and Chuck Schumer,

that's a narrative he has about covid and Jimmy Kimmel monologues. He's just combining it all together because he knows that none of it's real and he has zero respect for the audience that he's speaking to. Yeah. So he's just combining it all together. he knows that none of it's real and he has zero respect for the audience that he's speaking to. Yeah. So he's just combining it all together. Who gives a shit. Was the CIA behind the Conan's like puppet thing? Yes. Was that the reason he does the thing with his hips? Was it the CIA who came up with that? The same guys who were running the art shows for the FBI.

Mm-hmm. Fucking, it's the Harvard Lampoon! I knew it all along goes all the way to the top It goes all the way to the middle. Mm-hmm So Alex I think miss Calculates a little bit. I think he wants to impress people with like imagined primary sources And it really felt while I was there like he was losing the audience a little sure It was it's been known forever and that's Bertrand Russell. He wrote, back in the 60s, that we ought to have a world government that just drops hydrogen bombs on most of the populations,

because the too big a population will have wars, we have to have a controlled nuclear war, and that'll fix it, and create all this, and he also went on to write a bunch of books, you can go pull his quotes up, and so... Don't read the books. All these top globalists were very honest about it in the 70s. They used to have, like Paul Ehrlich, you can pull this up on Twitter or anywhere X. Paul Ehrlich goes on a TV show in 79, one of the big Hollywood shows. He goes, listen, we're working with the foundations and we're going to have every father figure be lazy and stupid and dumb and that'll break up the family And then the kids that do live will control about a state

But everybody else will abort the kids because there's too many people will all be dead by 1987 the current rates It's an alfusia. None of it was true like Al Gore's saying about 2017 all the ice caps would melt. They're bigger than ever It's all lies. They know it is but back then they were very honest about He was all over, you know 60, you name it. Oh, yeah, we're going to destroy the family because the family creates people and too many people's bad. They're public. So almost everything I say is from these dirtbag scumbags. I mean, you go watch, you go read the World Economic Forum. They say no humans by 2045, only cyborgs. So I think the audience was just kind of like,

come on, man. What are we doing here? What are we doing here, buddy? You won't stop talking. There is no point to, like, there's no time when you're given space to react. There's nothing. And you kind of just are like, wow.

You just keep saying things and people's names and shit that's not real. This feels more like a zoo than a show. Yeah, if you're an adult and you're looking at this, you should be like, this guy has problems. You shouldn't think like, ah, this guy's interesting. He's saying some hip stuff that maybe I should learn about. He should give you a vibe that like,

something's wrong here. No, I'm getting, like, cause I'm trying to figure out what this is, cause it's not a show. It feels like a big tent circus. It feels like a, it feels like a freak show. Like they're, they're wheeling in people that they keep in cages and they're like,

it's Jack Posobic, the man who's afraid of pizza. And then he's like, I like that. And then he's gone. We had Kid Rock. Yeah, exactly. Like this is- Here's Alex Jones. Tomorrow night, we got Roseanne.

This is wild. Yeah. This is wild. How do you- And you're not even getting the visual aspect of it where Alex is looking off into the, like not making high contact with Tucker and just staring into nowhere while he's talking

about all these Bertrand Russell sources. Amazing. Yeah. Wow. It's weird. I mean, I don't know what other words, it's just fucking strange. It is trash.

It's trash. So I think Alex maybe is feeling a little bit of the like not getting responses because he's not given a place for responses to happen. It's trash. So I think Alex maybe is feeling a little bit of the like not getting responses because he's not giving a place for responses to happen. Sure, sure. And so he wants to sound really interesting. And so he just talks about how globalists are creating aliens. Okay.

Turner talks about aliens and absolutely stuff going on. The globalists are making aliens by mixing humans and other animals and insects and plants. And then they put them, they chestate them and use cow uteruses to grow them. This is going on everywhere. So it's like a breakaway whole civilization that's separate from us, the globalist have, with life extension technologies and cures to cancer and Parkinson's.

But instead of giving us all the cures, they're keeping that for themselves and they're just getting ready to wipe all us out so we don't even have access to that whether you think of it as moral or not. Whether you think of it as moral or not? What? I don't know. So we got aliens and cows.

Okay. Yeah, we've talked about this a bit. But are they... Can you be an alien? Period. If you are gestated and born from a terrestrial animal. If so, then so many existing animals that have been bred by their animal husbandry are aliens. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't I don't know where the line is I think I think that's what I'm interested right now after listening to all of this I would like to know where the line between animal-human hybrid alien and just regular animal

I think I can give you a general sense. Okay Specialized dog breed sure totally fine. Okay, because dogs and dogs and all this is all like, yeah whatever. Grasshopper and dog, alien. It's weird, the combination doesn't fit. I mean, but they can jump higher than pugs. True. Probably healthier too. Maybe, maybe.

Grasshoppers have regenerative properties. You tear off one of their legs. Too loud, that's the problem with doghoppers have regenerative properties. You tear off one of their legs. Too loud. That's the problem with doghoppers. Too loud. Barking and making noise with their feet? No, get that shit out of here. So I think people were interested by that. Sure.

Aliens and cows. Yeah. But also, he just keeps talking. And it's weird. Right, great, great, great, great, great, great. Strange socially. So Jack Posobic is still there. I think he was supposed to babysit Alex and keep him on track.

And he is doing none of that. He is doing nothing. He is just sitting there passively while Alex steamrolls everything. They need a shock collar for him. That's what you need. You need a buzzer, you need a shock collar, you need something that will be silent enough but also noticeable enough or chase because chase actually Thinks Alex is cool. Yeah, and so like if he was out on stage

Maybe Alex would be playing to him as I was trying to avoid eye contact with Jack and Tucker He should be interviewing chat GPT is what he should be should he should so the whole Epstein thing comes up. Sure. Right. And Jack, the Sobik is there and he's like, Hey, you know, uh, Diddy, he's basically Epstein. Yeah, let's talk about current events. Hey, Tucker, you should get Diddy on the show. No, it's very weird. And so I used to think that, you know, we

got to protect Trump, we got to keep him safe. We got to keep him safe. Now I realize there you know, we got to protect Trump, we got to keep him safe, we got to keep him safe. Now I realize there's somebody else we got to keep safe. We've got to keep Diddy safe, because that's the next guy. Oh, they're going to abscede him, exactly. They're going to go for... This guy could tell us, if you want to know how your government actually works, that's the guy we got to talk to. Tucker, I don't know, maybe you have an in.

Could you get Diddy on the tour, maybe? No, I'm serious. I'm serious. This is how they run the government though. This is how it works. There's an Epstein operation and there's a Diddy. He's the black Epstein. Okay. He's just the black Epstein. It's the black Epstein. Um, I don't think Tucker wants to have Diddy on the show. And Diddy might be busy. He might be in jail. I think so. But yeah, that's such a just a strange idea for for Jack to suggest. And if I were if I were Tucker, I would not be thrilled about this being suggested.

Hey, maybe you have an in with this guy. Why? Why would I? Well, I mean, I'm sure I do. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I know him. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Probably defended him from cancel culture

within the last six months. I'm sure, I'm sure. These, these, yeah. So Alex talks about how with the Epstein business and all these folks, they're killing kids. Sure. And it's a little uncomfortable. And I'm gonna play this clip

and you'll hear a little bit of silence where the audience is yelling some stuff out. I'll tell you what that is on the other side. Okay. And let me tell you, they're not just raping kids. At Epstein-Olin and stuff, and I talked about it 15 years ago, I was first talking about it, they're killing kids ladies and gentlemen. So they're only talking about 15 year old girls that they kill them. So can I can I just ask you to assess my my my last question to you Alex Jones is I'm not really sure how Kamala Harris became the Democratic nominee. So this is one of the more uncomfortable points of the night. Because people in the audience are yelling frazzled drip, which is a reference to a fake snuff film that allegedly exists where Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin are killing a child

and like drinking its blood and all this shit. It's a big QAnon thing. And I do think it was audible from the stage. Right. Like I think they could hear that and that threw off Tucker's ability to ask the next question. Right. And it was notable in the room. Right. People yelling frazzle drip. It kind of was a harsh moment of like, I think you're serious. I think you're yelling that seriously. Yep. Um, it was a bummer. I, I, I desire record scratch sound effects when writers where record scratch moments happen. It feels like

this would be a break a record. It feels like this would break a record. It's like a nonstop series of shh. It felt like that in the moment. Yeah. It did feel like there was a potential for Tucker not being able to grab the steering wheel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or whatever.

He manages okay, but there's those moments where you can hear somebody yelling some stuff out and that's what's going on Yeah, I think he's shaken by that because he realizes maybe how far some of these people are That are in the audience, right? We're yelling shit out at right, right, right. I imagine. Okay, so here's here's this This goes here's the way this goes. All right. Somebody shouting that out. And then we, uh, we don't jump cut. We smash cut to the, have the pearly gates and God goes like, I bet you're all wondering how we got here. And then we, and then the movie starts, uh, probably the same as 2001 beginning. It starts with a Tucker seeing a picture of Josh Shapiro signing a bomb and getting really mad

Well, he's at the park. Yep, some shit. Jesus Christ. So I found Most of the rest of Alex's stuff just kind of not interesting honestly The audience of our podcast necessarily would find much of it interesting sure a lot of it is just Repetitious catchphrase shit that he does. But I also didn't want to end on that. So I have one more clip and it's just Alex's closing thoughts as they exit. Great. And you've got to change your values to where you don't care what the world says or what

the system says. You care to do what the conscience that God gave you, that guardian angel that you know is right there looking over your shoulder, tells you to do. And you've got to not be a coward and you've got to be strong. And the minute you step across that point, you don't even have courage anymore. You're on a mission and you're not possessed by the Holy Spirit, but you let it in

and it's now driving and in control and now you got God behind you and nobody can stand against us if God's with us. Well that is a hopeful note and I think that's true. And with that, Alex Jones, Jack Posoback, I'm proud to be friends with both of you good for you Um, I think that it was notable within the last like 10 15 minutes There were people just kind of trying to be traffic. Yeah and leaving. Yeah I thought Alex's voice might give out. Yeah at a certain point cuz he was he was Like I said, he came in too hot. Yeah, that's non-stop yelling Yeah, it doesn't feel like he was drinking a lot of water appropriately no no he was hydrating a little Could have been Tito you gotta go hard

They gotta go hard on the water on the water because the alcohol is just gonna ruin your voice even more right yeah So the show wraps up we leave and I'm gonna get a lift back to the hotel, my hotel that I'm staying at, and we're walking down the street because you gotta get a little ways from the arena before you wanna call a ride.

No, of course. Yeah. And so we're walking and we stop, me and Amanda stop for a little bit and we hear a yell from the crowd that is still around the arena which is about a block over to the side. Not very far away. And it's like oh what's going on? It must be the Infowars mobile or whatever. The motorcade has come out really fast after the show. They leave real fast. And there's a big whoop from the

crowd. Everyone's very excited to wave at Alex as he drives by. Yeah. And I realize they're coming in our direction. And so I stand on the street. I am not behind a bunch of people. Sure. I'm just standing there. Right. As their motorcade drives by The first car I don't really see who's in there. I'm not sure maybe Alex's car second car drives by Chase Geyser in the passenger seat drives right by me might have been five six feet away from me She's crazy was smiling like the happy like the cat that ate the canary. He was having the time of his life. I bet he was. Yeah. God damn it. There was somebody there were not all that many people on the street who like we're watching the motorcade

go by. Yeah. But there was one person who was bowing at the cars and I thought that was really, really sad. But yeah, I was pretty close to chase geyser and my reaction to it was just kind of like I Don't think I even wanted him to see me, but I was shaking my head I think it was just an involuntary response just like it. This isn't how the world's supposed to work It was just like a come on See ya got to the hotel went back Flew back the next day. Yep Been processing it since it kind of was stupid. That's it

That's all I really come away with sure like it just I didn't need to go sure I guess I'm glad I went and that I got to see those vibes. Yeah, I got to feel something. Yeah But the show sucked It wasn't a show Tell that to the fucking singing impressionist fair enough. He was giving his all fair enough. Yeah, in fact, I take it back Yeah, out of respect for him for him. That was show business. That was show business. I take it back. I take it back I thought yeah, you're right. I think twice during his set, he referred to his own set

as a Las Vegas quality G-rated entertainment. God, I love stand-up sometimes. Sometimes I just love comedy. I just really do. He was Jay Harrisian. Yes, yep. He had the diamond of Jays. But yeah, I don't know. I'm conflicted because I don't regret it.

But I also don't think I added that much to my life by going. Sure. I can't. I can't have been like, I'm so glad I was there. I got to see it in person. Sure. It's not that. Well, there's never going to be that. I'm not going to tell the grandkids about it. No No, but I mean, what's you know, what's life? Yeah Oh, it's not you know going to the going to the fucking post office is an adventure If you have a better point of view on life than I do

I guess I guess the one thing that Sticks in the craw a little bit is I Do think that Alex's audience? There's more than you might like to imagine Sure, there were a ton of info or shirts there sure now granted I don't know how many people flew in from where or you know, whatever but like it's a You know, he didn't sell the place out, but he's not a non-existent draw. So that's something.

And that kind of is, ugh. But then the other thing is that I think Tucker is much more interesting than I think. Okay. I feel like I wanna talk about him more after this. Interesting. The idea that he wants the government to love him like a parent is really weird. That's fucked up. It's really fucked up. Yeah. And

that people would cheer for that is even more fucked up. And I ask myself, is that a consistent belief he holds? Is that something he was just feeling this night? I'm fascinated and I mean if you if you re if you reassess his entire career in the point of view of somebody who is always Angling towards some adult male figures love I bet that probably checks out Crystal that checks out bush Probably yeah, so I Bill Crystal. That checks out. Bush. Eh, probably. So I don't know.

I'm tortured a little bit because on the one hand, Alex put on a better show, but because I know so much about him, he's boring. Tucker kind of sucked and seemed weak, but because he was clearly dealing with something that is Is novel to me, right? I I found him more interesting right and Jack is in a dead third Yeah, oh no, he's on a hundred and fifty thousand dollar bounty hunt. Yeah, he's good for also ran of this night Why he's below the singer? I? Yeah, I think he put himself there too. Yeah. You gotta take some, if you're, if you're third build with the fucking those two idiots. If you're a third build with Alex Jones, you have to know that you're there to do a job.

Yeah, absolutely. You're babysitting. Yeah. Weird. It's just so weird I Guess but I guess it's cuz people go there to feel together with other people Yeah, and they do not get that feeling mm-hmm, so this is their church. This is their mega church You know yeah, it doesn't matter what these people are saying you're not gonna read the fucking book. I don't care Yeah, I kind of feel like that's, uh, you know, but, but what matters is you're there with all these other people and all of them, despite them also not reading the fucking book can all look at each other and go like, we all read the book, right? And they'll all be like, yeah, of course we all read the book. Ironically, it's being drawn together by the very human need for community, which is something that

Tucker wants to take away from you. Is, says doesn't exist. Communities of people don't exist. And yet the feeling of being in communion with people is why you're there. That's dumb. Yeah. Anyway, I might do more episodes about Tucker's tour. At least his like his intros. Yeah, I don't know if I want to listen to any of the interviews. Yeah, I think

they're probably stupid. Just his guests talking shit. But these intros are weird. And I think it might be something. Yeah, value the because he's he's always made it clear that he writes his own monologues, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's also clear from clear that he writes his own monologues, blah blah blah blah blah. But it's also clear from this that other people edited those monologues. Yeah, yeah. But they reflect a man who's dealing with something, actually. Oh my god.

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