Knowledge Fight - #978: Tucker, The Man And His Demon

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan get distracted from Alex by very important Tucker Carlson news, specifically that he wants Trump to hand out spankings, and that he was attacked by a demon.

Music It's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys Shane we are the bad guys knowledge Knowledge fight Need money Stop it Andy and Andy and Kansas Pray Andy and Kansas Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Joax. Oh indeed we are, Dan. I'm damn. I'm Jordan We're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe

Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today is a wonderful type of moment that you can have sometimes all right And that is the moment where you realize ah shit. I'm stupid. Okay. I like that moment Yeah, so I got a pack of mamba. You know okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a berry licious Variety yeah, yeah, so it's like different berry flavor sure sure sure and one of the kind that was in there was a wild Strawberry all right, and so I was looking at it And I ate it and I realized for the first time that wild was not a like cool

It met wild like it grows wild And I realized that wild cherry Pepsi has always I always thought it was like super cool This cherry is a wild cherry fucks. Yeah, this cherry is cool as shit I always I realized that I never had the thought right the wild could mean something else just like out in the wild Yeah, all right. Yep, huh? So that was a nice moment to have that is interesting because I honestly had had the opposite thought and I Appreciate that far more you never in fact. I am slightly jealous that you have reached that then not me I feel like that's my that's the way I should be looking at the world So you never thought like whenever you thought of wild cherry pepsi you never thought of it on a skateboard no absolutely

Okay, I'm really disappointed in myself. I feel like you I feel like you've seen into my soul and taken a small part of it Away from me, but you were correct That's not that's even worse. I wonder if it's because I, like, maybe it's something to do with the marketing of Wild Cherry Pepsi, you know? Sure. Like, maybe it was something that when I was a kid I just saw these commercials and they were trying to be cool. Sure.

Yeah. And so I associated that with the wild. Right, maybe. But I mean, it's like, I, it's like, Mountain Dew is never wild, you know? But they were always, they were always supposed to be cool. I mean, there's a live wire. That's the orange one. Is it? Yeah.

I don't know any of the Mountain Dews. Code red. I remember the code red from the childhood I had. The blue something or other. I'm not, there's a blue one. There's the Baja Blast. What a world. See, that's the thing though, Mountain Dew is always wild. That's what I'm saying blue one there's a Baja blast what a world see that's the thing that Mountain Dew is always wild that's what I'm saying implied exactly you don't

need that adjective there I I'd never I'd never thought to add you know it's it's on me somehow disappointed in myself involved in moonshine and and prohibition I don't know the story anyway what's your bright spot my bright spot is all the way back from the past into the present the cure have a new album out. Okay, that's pretty good All right, that's pretty good. I There's a weird defensiveness coming off of you about it being good No, I mean there's there's a like so they've had several albums in between now and the past 15 years let's say and I've liked about two of them but for some reason I just I just I always

go I'll always take a listen this was pretty good can I make a confession what's that I don't know if I know exactly what who the cure is you don't know who the cure is is? Robert Smith? Disintegration? Fascination Street? What are some of the songs? Love Song. Your favorite 311 band.

Do you remember 311 played the love song? You know? That is not one of the hits of 311. It's a cover of The Cure. They had all mixed up. Don't know what to do. Next thing you turn around to find a person is you. Oh man. See I think the...

However far away, I will always love you. That's the, okay yeah, I've heard that. That's the cure. Okay, yeah. I was never interested. I think that it's the blank, tough sell for me. Sure, sure. Especially with something like the Cure is like, I think there's a hundred bands that I just get it mixed up with. Sure, but it's The Cure. Yeah.

There's a difference between all those other bands and The Cure. Yeah. They're The Cure. I think I've been pretending to be aware of them. I was gonna say, I feel like we've even talked about it. I think I've heard more than I realize I've heard. Probably. Disintegration is genuinely one of the great albums of the time of the world.

You know, I think that maybe it was a little bit sad for me. It's very sad. It's goth-y as shit. Yeah, but that's why I never really gravitated to it as much as a youth. Because I know that song, but I don't know if I would have ever thought, like, I'm going to explore more of this. Sure. That song but I don't know if I would have ever thought like I'm gonna explore more of this sure no Well that one's that one's like in a way the the outlier on Disintegration it's mostly very dark and kind of goth a

There's a lot of spiders a lot of spider talk I think a lot of spider a lot of spider talk a lot of talking spiders a lot of spiders talking Maybe that was what I didn't like I scared of spiders. Well, there you go. That'll happen I think that I might have packaged them with a clash when I was younger I know who the clash is right and so maybe I'm just like the cure. It's too close. I Understand I'm not gonna take a the sea name except for the cranberries Take the cranberries that's distinctive fair enough fair. Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the album. It's great.

So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. And I think that this is maybe as close as we're going to get to something wacky-ish. Alright. So this ought to be a little bit fun. I'm listening. And we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. That's a great idea.

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Solid type of bread. Yes, indeed. So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going a little wacky. Okay. The election's tomorrow. I have heard that. Yeah. And I'm going to be perfectly frank with you, I've been horribly underwhelmed by Alex's

coverage of the election up to this point. Everything is a foregone conclusion to the point where it really just feels like a person who's going through the motions. He's a person who's reached a lazy editorial conclusion and his coverage of every story is just him attempting to spin things to support that conclusion. It sucks, it's uninspired, and I'm not excited that he raffled off a truck to bring in attention to his new fake business that's outside the bankruptcy. But I don't want to live in that malaise.

I don't want to be in that boardroom. It's just awful. This election is important, and there are exciting things going on. Whether or not either candidate has all the policy positions you'd want, and being forced to see this through the prism of Alex Jones is just... Eugh! It's no good. This shit does matter, and the only way that I felt like I could escape the boredom spiral that Alex was forcing upon me was to put him on the back burner. Good call.

So I did. And thankfully, the most important man in the world, Tucker Carlson, decided to really spice things up in the last days of the campaign. Alright. So today, I thought we would get into some of the very exciting Tucker Carlson news. Okay. How much of this are you aware of? None.

You don't know anything? I am trying, I'm literally trying to stay completely off the internet. You don't know the very big thing that happened with Tucker Carlson in the last week? No. Awesome. Okay. That's great. Okay.

Alright. Oh man, everybody listening to this knows already. I'm trying to read. That's fun. I'm trying to like leave the internet and just read books. When people publish books, I just read them now. No, I know, but that's like the recapturing the magic of this, like you actually don't know what's coming. I know, I'm trying. I'm reaching for the future. So I thought what we would do is we would start off by listening to His speech that he gave on October 23rd at a rally in Georgia. Okay for turning point USA This is a Trump rally great. And so we're gonna listen to a little bit of this and Yeah, enjoy

I have never in my life Spoken at a political rally. I've covered a million of them for over 30 years and I've never spoken at one, never thought I would. And I'm so thrilled. I'm honored to be here. I really am. And I am. It's totally without shame and entirely with gratitude I'm standing here. And I can't believe I just spoke after Bobby Kennedy. So cool.

So Tucker says this is the first political rally he's spoken at, but I would argue that his entire tour was one big political rally, pretending to be an interview show. A bunch of his guests were associated with the Trump campaign, including his VP choice J.D. Vance and Trump's son. All Tucker does is political rallies, basically. But even leaving that aside, Tucker spoke at the RNC this year. Like, he can pretend that he hasn't made these kinds of appearances in the past, but it's bullshit, and it's specifically meant to build the theme of this speech that he's going to give.

Just before he got on stage, there were speeches from RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard. These are presumably supposed to be people who were on the left but saw the light, so now they've come over to the right wing side. Tucker is trying to fit that mold because it's very popular and they think it's a compelling pitch to undecided and tentative voters. It's essentially a way of saying, come on in, the water's fine. RFK and Tulsi switch teams, and look at me, I've never spoken a political rally, but here I am.

It's basically just that. It's like when you're busking and you put a dollar of your own money in the hat. Yes. Yeah, bingo. So, he gets into his speech a little bit, and it's this, Trump's going to win. Yeah, of course. And then he starts saying a certain word a bit. Oh, so here's my perspective.

I think Donald Trump's gonna win. Which is amazing. And that's why I'm here. I'm not here because he's gonna win. I'm here because I'm so thrilled by what I've watched over the past nine years. This is the end of a redemption arc. I've really never seen anybody treated like Donald Trump was treated. Ever. Anybody. Ever.

Attack him. I watched this all up close. Defame him. Indict him. Arrest him. Let him get shot in the face. And he's going to win anyway. It is a triumph. It's a triumph. The phrase, triumph of the human spirit, has been turned into a cliché by the people who write movie posters, but it doesn't make it any less real. Donald Trump's victory will be a triumph of the human spirit. Triumph of the will, one might say. It's real easy to see Tucker saying triumph over and over and saying triumph of the human

spirit and remember that the most famous Nazi propaganda film of all time is called Triumph of the Will. And then you make a little bit of a connection there. It would make sense to think that he's signaling to that direction, but his response would obviously be that he's just using the word triumph and referencing movie posters. You're the weird one if your mind associates that with Nazi stuff. But there's a deeper problem here, which is, you know, have you ever watched Triumph of the Whale?

No, of course not. I've watched it, and what Tucker is describing is literally the point of that film. Great! It's about how they tried for years since World War One to keep Hitler down and oppress the German people but he withstood all the persecution and adversity and his 1934 arrival at the Nazi Party Congress in Nuremberg just after the night of the long knives was the titular triumph of the will. Sure, sure. Either Tucker knows the way he's describing Trump is pretty similar to the image

This painted of Hitler and triumph of the will and he's calling this rally and election to triumph with the human spirit Or it's just a crazy coincidence. I think triumph is a great word For me to poop on right I knew that was coming and yet the mugging. There's no way not to. The freeze frame you did was just. I had to. Yeah.

There's no other way to save it. I've thought about this a bit. Whether or not that was intentional or how much of a signal that is. Sure. I think it's too much to be like a stone cold coincidence. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it is either a coincidence that is incredibly frustrating and almost, what would I say, in retrospect, like divine.

It is that level of like, oh, really, we're doing this. Is it also the anniversary of the day triumph of the will was released How bad are we gonna go with this being a coincidence before we go? Oh, there's a prime mover of the universe I also regret right now just in this moment. Yeah, not looking up letterboxed reviews But there's a good stuff I bet there's some good stuff. I bet there's some good ones. Yeah. So there's really an underlying theme that goes throughout Tucker's speech and that he's really trying to enforce and that is you're not weird. You're cool. Okay. Yeah. So if I understand correctly, Tucker Carlson is telling people that they're cool and those

people are not giving him a swirly, they are believing him. Yeah, because they're self-conscious, I guess, about the world thinking that they're weird. All right. And he's reassuring them. Well. It will be a moral victory the size of which I never thought I would live to see. And it's essential. It is so important that that happens.

For a couple of reasons, and here's what they are. The first is to dissolve for all time, for the world to see, the primary lie about Donald Trump. Which is that only freaks and misfits like him. That's a lie. And they've been telling that lie since the second he came down that escalator nine years ago. If you like that, there's something wrong with you. You're the only person you know who likes that. You're a freak. Be ashamed. Do not talk about Donald Trump in public. Don't wear his dangerous little red hat, and if you're in the media,

how dare you speak to him? And that was a lie from day one. It was a big lie. So this is really strange messaging. We need to win the election so you all don't feel like you're being judged for your political beliefs. We have to win so you realize you're normal. This thing is kind of thin because Trump won in 2016 and Tucker and all of his dipshit

friends insist he won in 2020, so I don't see what him winning again would prove in terms of this moral victory. Trump won in 2016 and the establishment in the mainstream wasn't forced to accept that all his fans were the normal ones. That didn't happen then and it won't happen if he wins this year because he's cultivated a fan base that's intensely hostile, believes complete bullshit and operates almost entirely on promises of punishing people for imaginary grievances. If Trump wins, all these folks can raise a glass of champagne in celebration like they did at Infowars in 2016, but that won't change the fact that they're part of a very unhealthy

and upsetting subculture. That's not going to change. Yeah. Here's what it makes me think of this. and upsetting subculture. That's not gonna change. Yeah. Here's what it makes me think of this. I think I was reading something about how the Dodgers this year were like, oh, we just came out with this attitude of like, nobody believes in us and they don't think we can do it.

And it's like, you literally have the most money spent on the best players on your team. Everyone believed in you because that's how money works. When you put all the money into the thing, like we believe that Trump could win. He's already won. That's how it works. Yeah. And I'm promising you some feeling of being normal or like everyone will have to look at you like a normal. No, you remember how it was when he was president before and everybody was just on edge, kind of angry all the time?

Even you for no reason? Such a strange thing to be like... I understand like I'll lower your taxes or whatever. I understand that kind of thing, but I will make you feel normal. Give me shit. Whatever happened to give me shit? Why is making me feel normal even available as an option? So these, the left and everybody who's against Trump, they can only uphold their lies by

force. It was a big lie. It was January 6th is an insurrection. What? It's the kind of lie that they tell relentlessly. They punish anyone who contradicts the lie because it is so preposterous it can only be upheld through force. And in the last three months we have seen that lie dissolve like the wicked witch of the West under a bucket of water. Look around. Is this a room

full of freaks and misfits? No it's not. This is a room full of people who love their country enough to obey its laws, who sincerely believe in its founding precepts, who pay their taxes, who go to work, the ever-shrinking percentage of Americans who work a 40-hour week, who expect nothing from the system, and who have given their lives for the system, who were born in this country and plan to die here. And they're the most mistreated group in this nation and they're also the biggest group in this nation.

Wait what? They're not some weird subculture of MAGA, they're America itself. This is fun but it's kind of dumb. It's just like red meat pandering to the... It's meant to reassure the audience. He's asking if this is a room full of weirdos and he's speaking after RFK Jr. If RFK Jr. is just normalized to the point where his presence on a speaker's list doesn't seem strange, then there's no standard for who is and is not a weirdo. How many more headless bodies do we find in Central Park that are a mystery for decades only to be revealed to be the fucking masterminded plan of former goddamn presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.?

But it was funny. It was a prank. It was good. We are in a room full of weirdos. But you can see how this all comes back to like these feelings of aggrievement. It's all aggrievement and reassurances that you aren't weird for wanting to ban reproductive health care and make it illegal to wear certain clothes depending on what Tucker feels your gender is. It's all just horse shit. But like, I think that there's, there's something so interesting about this relationship to weird because like it's the differences exclusive versus inclusive weird. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, you know, pink has a song or, you know, raise your glass if you're wrong in all the right ways. Sure. It's about, it's about expanding like, yeah, we all have some weirdness in us. Sure. Sure. It's normal to be weird. Let's, let's enjoy it.

Right. They have a, and keeping people out version of weirdness. They have an exclusion. They're interested in upholding the normal. Sure. As opposed to expanding. Yeah, yeah, they're, I mean, here's the thing.

Here's the thing about it, right? If you are one of those people who is in their world of believing the things that they believe, and then you watch other people like you and I having fun and being cool and going out and doing fun stuff, well, then it doesn't seem like it's a very good idea to stay with the weird losers over there, right? So then the people are like, oh, well, we could be like them or let's kill them. So that's how you get weird losers who want to kill you. Just for having fun.

And then they need the most important man in the world to come on stage and reassure them about how they're not weird. Well it doesn't make any sense if you stop and think about it. It makes no sense. They're America itself. And the only people who are denying that are the freaks and the misfits who, it turns out, are themselves a tiny, bizarre minority, a cult. Who are we talking about exactly at this point? Who have controlled the rest of us through fear and aggression. And that has ended. And it has ended thanks to the heroic

stand that a couple of individuals have taken, first among them, Elon Musk. Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved the First Amendment to the Constitution, which, let me remind you, is not just a feature of America, it's the basis of America. It's the First Amendment for a reason. It's what separates the free from the enslaved. Slaves are not allowed to say what they think. Free men have God-given right to do so and will. And this is the only country on earth in which that is guaranteed. And without Elon Musk, it wouldn't be, because he stands alone as the owner of a media platform That is still open. There's only one and it's X

It's foreign-born Elon Musk and then for him to come out and by the way just for the record I've taken not a dollar from Elon Musk. Okay, it's not a paid advertisement. It's just an observation. Okay, I'm convinced Since you needed to say that that means it must be true I have so like convinced of the like up and upness of this that like it just seems above board Hey If I was at a political rally and I didn't immediately mention that a single loan figure who is of course a billionaire At odds with the very concept and I make millions posting my show to per year social media website that he owns

specifically right to you know try and get right wing people elected no but you're see now I you're making it sound bad what it is is it's just nice to see a man get a hand job in public for free oh My god So anyway, Elon Musk is on your side. Yeah, so how could you be weird? And when you see the richest man on planet Earth stand up there in a t-shirt start jumping around on stage He's also one of the biggest federal contractors you've all lost your mind got a few money no it's just the opposite there is no such thing as a few money the more money you have the more vested you are there's only a few poverty actually is the

truth but an Elon Musk has living American by taking the position that he did and he did it anyway. And so what's the message? If the person who's created the most, not just piles of cash, he's not Larry Fink, he's not worshipping money, like our finance class, he's building things. And if that guy is for Donald Trump and not only not ashamed of it, he's jumping around in a t-shirt, I can see his belly button. He's so excited Then maybe I'm not alone maybe I'm not the freak Maybe it's the maybe what you're really watching is the tyranny of MSNBC I'm not reassured here. I don't even I genuinely don't understand how these words connect to each other what in a real way What would you like me to clarify? Okay?

How in any way is Elon Musk jumping up and down and quote-unquote? not worshiping money like Larry Fink Evidence of I guess anything. Um, it's evidence that you're not weird, because he's the richest person in the world, and he's not weird. That makes no sense. From what I know of any outlier such as

the most blank of anything in the world, they're by definition weird! Yeah, and then you kind of have everything that Elon Musk's ever done. It's weird! It's very weird stuff. It's so strange! Yeah. He seems like, perhaps, one of the strangest people who's ever done. It's weird. It's very weird stuff. So strange Yeah, he seems like perhaps one of the strangest people who's ever lived maybe damaged in a way that is unbroken

In the same way that you talk about like, you know, if RFK jr. Wasn't Right completely bizarre. It would be a mystery. I don't think kind of thing with yeah I don't blame him for being weird. I blame all of us for allowing him to become the richest man in the world. He could be great as any other number of things. Society enables certain things. So he's not weird because he's the richest guy in the world and he has business contracts with the government that he presumably would lose if Trump wins, which is not accurate. He would probably stand to benefit a lot,

especially considering Trump is talking about putting him in charge of cutting government programs, which I imagine he's not gonna cut his own subsidies and stuff. Now that's how you prove that you're above it. You have to cut your own stuff first to prove to everyone that what you mean is true. So if you buy a website to maintain a perfect free speech with all that stuff, then the

first thing you have to do is make sure that speech that you don't agree with personally is featured prominently and is deeply protected. You don't just ban people who say things that you don't want to hear all the time. Nah. I think that the argument is silly because also it relies on this like, no, no, no, you're not weird. That's CNN. That's MSNBC. That's weird. It's telling you that you're weird. Like, I don't know. I don't know if people care that much about MSNBC. I don't know. I don't feel affected by it in my judgment of Elon Musk or Tucker's behavior.

No. I can just sort of free associate this thing. It's a wild bit of fuckin' judo whenever you can get from F you rich to F you poor. Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know that thing that's very obvious? Rich people are ruining your lives? Wrong's poor people the you the only people who are truly free in a way that they can throw curveballs is the poor is the starving

yeah wow so MSNBC they're the ones they're the ones who are scamming and telling you you're weird but it's an an illusion. It's the Wizard of Us. And once you pull back the curtain, the only thing back there is Joe Scarborough, you're like, wait a second. Why am I taking orders from this guy? He's a freak. I'm a normal person. And that realization has settled on this country, on the whole country, and you feel it. People are not afraid anymore, at all. I've got a bunch of kids. I text them, I'm going to go speak at a Trump rally. My kids, you go.

I said, do you know any, do you have a lot of friends who are voting for Carmella or whatever her name is? No. Of course not. That's embarrassing. I said, do you know any, do you have a lot of friends who are voting for Carmella or whatever her name is? No? Of course not. That's embarrassing. So Tucker pronounced Kamala's name correctly earlier in the speech. This is literally just him calling her Carmella to be a little racist. Yeah. He's fully aware of what he's doing, but the audience loves it, and if he's called racist for it, he can just do his little you're too sensitive dance and then keep insisting that he's normal. Yeah.

I wonder how much Tucker actually thinks anyone is like taking orders from Joe Scarborough But I imagine it's less than he thinks. I mean word salad is is a Delicious dish that I do not want right now. Mm-hmm. I would prefer word salad to be gone I hate to like I just I feel like this is so dumb Yeah, but also so angry. Yeah, like every single word is dripping in this anger While at the same time being hidden behind a childish shrieking laugh Yeah, yeah, yeah He's like an evil pixie from like if he was a laugh that is very real and natural in in in

100% honesty if after the election it is revealed that Tucker Carlson is actually Pucker Carlson, that would make sense. Puck the demon. Oh. Midsummer Night's Dream. I thought you meant the guy from the real world. No, no, no, different. Or Apple Pucker that schnapps.

Fair enough. So anyway, he goes on talking about who is and is not weird. And I just think he's mad. We're just listing who the hot or not. We're just doing hot or not. Kind of. Great. Cool. And then it becomes a little bit too clear that he's really just mad about immigration.

It has flipped. The story the country tells itself about reality has flipped. The story the country tells itself about reality has flipped. None of the normal people are supporting the democratic machine. Tim Walz is supporting the democratic machine. A man you would never allow to babysit your own children, That's the archetype. It's the party of weirdos, of envy, of hate, of resentment, of bitterness, of weakness, of a total lack of creativity. It's a party of conformity. It's a party of the machine, where it doesn't matter who the candidate is because individuals are immaterial. All that matters is the collective. That's the

Soviet model. And opposing them is the rest of the country, slowly waking up to the fact that these people have no moral authority whatsoever, they have no legitimacy in a democracy, where the government must rule by the consent of the government. They have no consent. And the way that they've treated this country over the past four years is the most shocking thing I've ever seen in 55 years.

To allow millions of people, mostly young men with no skills and no English, into our country illegally and then fly them around at our expense and give them phones and put them on welfare programs that no American citizen can get? It is the most insulting? Yeah, boo. But it's worse than boo. That's the biggest crime in the history of the United States of America. And it takes incredible, it takes incredible stones, incredible gall for the people who did that to stand up there on a stage and give you a lecture about how you're immoral. It's too much.

It's too much. So Tucker is somewhat right that the story we're telling ourselves has changed. The old story that we told ourselves wasn't totally accurate and there are a lot of voices that we're missing from it, but there have been people genuinely working toward making that story that we tell ourselves more true to reality, not just the subjective reality that you might want to choose to live in. And that's really the issue with the narrative flip that Tucker is talking about. He and like the people in his community, they've changed some of the fundamentals about the

story, but they haven't improved it or made it more close to reality. They've just distorted certain bits and made up complete fictions in order to prop up the story that they want to tell, which is the story of, my view of the world is the natural order, and all public policy should adhere to that. Tucker likes to pretend that he's had to put up with so much, because it's the only way to rationalize the very severe things he wants Trump to do should he get into power. There's no way to justify his desires while still pretending to care about the rule of law or balance of power, so it's critical that he insists Trump is responding to the greatest problem ever, and if he needs to do a little more than a president normally

should be able to, that's what he needs to do, man. We're the normal ones, and the weird people won't let us be normal, and there are too many immigrants, so we're probably going to have to just look the other way while Trump advocates for and does a ton of stuff that we pretend to be philosophically opposed to. It's the only way we're going to get to be normal. They won't let us. Hey, I mean, you know what? You just got to let your candidate do all the horrible stuff that you don't want them

to do because if you don't, the other candidates gonna win mm-hmm so he they hide behind this a bit this idea of like we're so nice we've been so tolerant so tolerant so tolerant for so long what's crazy is how tolerant they have been the total so just a pillar of tolerance how tolerant and so that's the second important thing about this election, okay? The first is every person in this room needs to understand you are not in a despised minority. You are in an incredibly gentle and tolerant majority who put up with this crap for way too long. As they insulted not only you, but the memory of your ancestors who died for this country. They tore down statues to their memory.

People have never built anything in their lives. They went out of their way to humiliate you and spit on you and the graves of your ancestors. And that's not an exaggeration. They did that. And this country is so nice. It's so polite, it's so thoughtful and empathetic and sweet. It's the kind of country that loves dogs and gives directions to strangers that we put up with it for four years. But we can't anymore.

We just can't. We just can't. It's super important for Tucker to make sure that the audience feels normal, and also that they feel like they're the victims who are just so nice and they've put up with so much for so long. He needs to repeat these premises over and over again because if he doesn't, it's pretty hard to justify what he wants Trump to do as president. Every murderer at least tries to pretend that their actions were done in self-defense because

as a society, we understand that killing someone is wrong, but that there are circumstances where you're left with no choice. Tucker wants to advocate for the political equivalent of murder, something that everyone should understand is wrong and in order to do that it's critical that he pretend that it's just being done in self-defense and everybody's on the hook. They have all agreed to this premise. Yep. It's, I promise that this is frustrating and annoying, but there is a payoff. Alright. You're stewing a little bit in a... No, I'm fine. It's great to listen to Tucker Carlson lie.

It's one of my favorite things to do. Well, so we gotta listen to somebody lie. That's fair. That is fair. That is kind of our lives. So we just can't put this up, put up with this stuff any longer no and there's a couple of reasons sure first justice okay wait for who reason that we can't put up with it for one more minute is because it's just not justice it's not it's not. It's not just... Shut up, sir! It's unfair. You cannot reward the most parasitic, useless, violent, nasty, aggressive people

in your country. You can't make them the richest. You just can't. It's just wrong. In a fair, decent country, the people who work the hardest, who have the highest level of talent, who are the most creative, who are the most decent to their neighbors, who give the biggest tips to waitresses, those people should be successful. Those people should be revered. It shouldn't be Larry Fink. Are you joking? Kamala Harris shouldn't have a job. She has no skills. How did we wind up with a system where Kamala Harris, you couldn't change the tire on your truck, much less drive it. How did she wind up at the top of the pyramid?

And then once she's there, she lectures you like you did something. It's too much. You can't allow that. It's an offense against the truth, against reality and against justice itself. So far, really, the only things that Tucker has said that he thinks, like, there's too much immigration and he doesn't like it when people make him feel weird. I'm not totally sure what the horrible abuse of justice is that he's talking about, but if I use some context clues, I start to have some ideas. It seems that Tucker believes

that decent people should be rich. That's cool, but I'm not sure how Trump or conservatism as a whole connects to that. It's really easy to just point at Larry Fink and say that he shouldn't be rich, but what specific laws has he broken to accumulate his wealth that you think he should be charged with? Or what laws do you think Trump will pass in order to address this out of control wealth accumulation? Do you actually even care about that?

Or is this just whining? This isn't about justice, it's about throwing a tantrum and you can kind of tell with the insults about Harris Why shouldn't she have a job? I get that you don't want her to be president and you know, you know might like think that she sucks But like she's a qualified lawyer. She has the ability to have a job It's fine to not like her or not want to vote for her, but to say that she's unqualified for any job is kind of stupid. It's similarly stupid to be like the president is the top of the pyramid. Well, I mean, it's just repurposed prosperity gospel. Sure.

It's the same, it's the same exact thing, you know, like, you're the people who sow, so the money should be coming to you, blah blah blah blah blah, that, you know, it's the exact same thing repurposed politically. And these people believe in both, generally. But it's so silly to see it in a political context, because like, when the rubber hits the road, like when, you know, you have to deal with reality,

what would you like to see happen? Sure. I understand the prosperity gospel feelings and shit, but that's not like putting laws into effect. I mean, it's more important than putting laws into effect. It's God's law. I find the prosperity gospel sillier as a gospel than I do as a political strategy. It almost makes more sense as a political strategy because at least at the end of it, supposedly you get something as opposed to like, well, the other guy won't get in. It's all very strange.

It is. Hey, listen, I'm not a fan of Gospels. So Tucker's first point there is about this idea that things should be fair, which is nice, but it falls apart when he gets to the second reason that we can't put up with Trump not being king any longer. And the second reason you can't allow it is very familiar to anyone who has children, which is if you allow it, you will encourage more of it. If you allow people to get away with things that are completely over the top and outrageous, if you allow your two year old to smear the contents

of his diapers on the wall of your living room. You are the person. If you allow your 14 year old to light a joint at the breakfast table. If you allow your hormone addled 15 year old daughter to like slam the door over her bedroom and give you the finger, you're gonna get more of it. And those kids are gonna wind up in rehab. It's not good for you and it's not good for them. No, there has

to be a point at which dad comes home. So I feel like in any ordinary situation, someone would say something like this and it would ruin them. It's so embarrassing and reveals such a deep-seated internal conflict that Tucker wants to enforce on the rest of us that it's very hard to believe that this is something he meant to say and is on message. Tucker views the world in a particular way, or at least he's currently pretending to in order to accommodate the only audience he has available to him. This viewpoint is basically that the country is a household, and God's the dad, and we're

all his children. There's probably a mom somewhere, but she's not important, something that's very reflective of his underlying politics. Everything has now come down to this firm, black versus white, good versus evil dichotomy, so for the sake of simplicity, let's just imagine that there's two children. One is represented by Tucker and the folks who he's insisting are super normal, and the other is the rest of us, people who support access to reproductive rights, civil rights, and don't think that immigration is a white genocide plot. As kids, we're going about our lives as we see fit, and Tucker really thinks that we should be punished for

our positions. His view of what Dad's rules say are that we should be spanked, so he's yelling and whining about how we're getting away with all this stuff that Dad says we shouldn't do. He really wants Dad to punish us, so much so that he's helped create a political cult around a guy who he's dressed up like Dad, so he can show up and punish people, which Tucker can then claim is an act of holy justice. This has nothing to do with politics. Tucker is just a super fucked up dude

who's acting out on a massive stage, whining about how his metaphorical sibling doesn't follow his imaginary rules. This is so embarrassing. And like, we talked about this when I went to the Pennsylvania rally, because some of this theme came up. But it's shocking that this is something that's like,

I'm gonna say this more than once. No, I like it. I like it I'm because I I no longer I we're no longer live in the like liminal space or ambiguity Ambiguous space. This is ape shit. Yes. This is ape shit Like and I mean that in a literal like this is it how dare you both? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's both. How dare you disagree with the theory of evolution. Look at these monkeys What is it? What else is there to say drop my dad? Yeah That makes it makes sense because what we should be doing is like hammering nuts and putting ants on sticks and having a little snack

That's what we are. Okay, so this makes sense Yeah, I guess. I aspire for slightly above this. I do too, but you know what? I'm tearing my shirt off and beating my chest with my fists because I can't handle this bullshit anymore. This nerd needs to go down from a giant ape or whatever the fuck is supposed to happen.

It sounds like you just need dad to come home. No, I wanna beat the shit out of him. I Fine. I'll be your dad. I will hit you dear Tucker Carlson. I will hit you I will hit you very hard. I promise you you're not gonna like this next clip where he talks about what happens with dad comes Oh my god Why are you cheering what is wrong with all of you Yeah, that's right! Dad comes home. Why are you cheering? What is wrong with all of you? Free yourselves! Free yourselves! He's not vengeful. He loves his children.

Disobedient as they may be, he loves them. Because they're his children, they live in his house But he's that's not a reason their behavior, and he's gonna have to let them know He's gonna have to get to your room right now and think about what you did and When dad gets home you know what he says? You've been a bad girl You've been a bad little girl, and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now. And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it's not. I'm not going to lie.

This is going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. And you earned this. You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl. And it has to be this way. It has to be this way because it's true. And you're only going to get better when you take responsibility for what you did. That's not said in the spirit of hate. It's not said in the spirit of vengeance or bigotry. Far from it. It's said in the spirit of justice, which is the purest and best thing there is."

So this was a part of the speech where it felt like Tucker was getting into it a little too much. The audience responded to the dad's home line really well, so I think he spent a little more time than he intended to on the spanking and calling us bad little girls. There's one aspect of that that's just off-putting to hear, but there's so much going on in that moment that the surface- level bizarreness masks some deeper problems. The first is the way that initially Tucker is getting into it as the crowd is cheering

and he says that dad's home and he's pissed. He says that because that's the energy that Trump's movement has. Tucker has already said that they've put up with too much for too long. The desire to punish is largely motivated by a desire for payback, but Tucker knows that that's a really ugly face to put forward, so he immediately has to start qualifying how Dad is pissed. It's not about vengeance, it's a justice thing, blah blah blah. The excitement of saying these things to a cheering crowd got the best of him, he sort

of slipped that he wants a rage-filled dad impersonator to punish us, because Tucker would find that validating. The second thing is that this conception of the relationship between person and government is pathetic. Tucker and his ilk have spent decades complaining about the nanny state, and now he wants the dad state. He wants a parental relationship with the state where it spanks you for your own good when you break dad's laws. We've been over this a little bit in the past because this isn't the first time Tucker has

expressed this, but it's definitely the most explicit so far. In moments like this, it's hard not to see the complete fraud that he is perpetrating and the intense disrespect he has for this audience. Tucker does not want justice, where the state is the dad and everyone's punished when they break the rules. Tucker is one of the children in this scenario, but dad's rules are mysteriously exactly how he thinks the world should work. That's the unspoken detail in this whole thing that he's leaving out. There is no dad.

There's just someone that Tucker has helped enlist to pretend to be dad in service of handing out punishments based on the rules that Tucker thinks dad has which are the basis of his ideas of natural order. This is, without exaggeration, one of the dumbest and most childish things I've ever heard someone on Tucker's level of fame and influence say publicly to the point where I thought it was a prank. Yep. I did not think there was any way this was serious. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating too

Because if you follow his own logic as to how he is to get his natural order He recognizes something very important, which is that in the natural order that he himself desires No one will ever treat him with respect Because he is not your dad. He's not very dad-like at all. In fact, he's a weird little loser. Yes he is. So what he needs is somebody to tell you about, to enact the things.

Because if he were to follow his own natural order, we would crush him like ants. Right, I mean, it's like, well, I don't know, my mind immediately went to Bray Wyatt. Because when he shows up with the lantern, he's like, well, I don't know, my mind immediately went to Bray Wyatt because like when he shows up with the lantern, he's like, we're here, not dad's here or whatever. There's no way Tucker could strike any kind of fear into someone by being like, I'm here and I'm going to lay down the law.

Not going to happen. Nope. No, you are not. You are a little loser. Yeah. Just point to your rich little punts Wearing fucking frilly shorts. So he complains a little bit about Kamala here. I think that He accidentally

Overshadows his racism with misogyny. Oh nice to the point where you might forget that he was being racist to begin with good good The Democratic Party machine and notice I'm not beating up on Kamala Harris, who's just a hapless victim who happened to be there in the right color, so they grabbed her. Tim Walz, they needed some, whatever Tim Walz is. They needed a weak man, because it is the party of weak men and unhappy women one of which leads to the other by the way where you find weak men you will inevitably find unhappy women sorry and they make them on purpose

they weaken the men to drive the women insane to have the most consistent voting block ever in the history of politics. Unhappy women made unhappy by weak men. But it could be anybody. So in less than a minute, Tucker said some pretty fucked up things that reveal how his brain works in upsetting ways. First off, he said that Harris was chosen because she's the right color, which he moved past into misogyny so fast you might not have remembered. That's insanely fucked up and kind of reveals that he thinks that anyone who could possibly be considered for positions of power who aren't white don't really deserve that consideration.

Then he starts complaining about Tim Walz, who's apparently a weak man. I'm not sure exactly what this is based on, but if we just follow the train of thought, this is the Democratic ticket because Harris is an unhappy woman who's the right color and Walls is a weak man. This leads into Tucker expounding on how Democrats are weak men and unhappy women and one creates the other. If you're a weak man, which is not very specifically defined here, you'll make the women around you unhappy because secretly there's nothing a woman likes more than a man who doesn't respect her as a person.

These are the thoughts of a very normal person on stage, reassuring this audience that they are the normal ones. I just, but I mean, to be clear though, that's, that's Bible shit. He's doing Bible stuff. That's what most people believe. Most people believe, most people wind up believing some version of the like, oh the man should be the head of the household stuff and the people who's, you know, that's, that's where that comes from.

He's weaponizing it. But I mean, that's not, that is not a weird belief for a lot of people. It's a weird belief to try and legislate by. It is. I mean, you know, that's kind of how we got where we are though Yeah, maybe too many people have that weird belief and share it and to the detriment of things that they may otherwise believe are good Well, I think that Having the belief is not necessarily the problem

It's imposing that belief into public spaces. And I think that you could have a number of people who have misogynistic personal views who could, in theory, legislate decently if they could, you know, be self-aware and not engage in that in terms of, I don't know, it's hypothetical. Look, the point is, we're coming to the end of this speech. Yeah. And I don't think, no matter what they pull, two weeks from now, 13 days from now, I don't think they can get away with standing up and being like on MSNBC. No, actually, Kamala Harris is historically popular, it turns out.

A woman who's never had a job who can't even pronounce her own first name consistently, that's how false she is. Some woman who grew up in Montreal, Canada is lecturing me about America. Okay. I don't think they can do that, because I don't think people are going to sit back and take it. I don't. It's enough.

It's enough. That's the point at which you say, no. I'm sorry. I put up with this crap for a long time. I indulge your little fantasy. It's like when your teenage girl becomes a vegetarian and you're like, okay, that's, you know, well, okay, it's fine. No, I totally understand.

You're like, it's a phase. But if that phase goes on for nine years and includes destroying your major cities and allowing your country to be invaded by millions of foreigners whose identities you don't know, and whose purpose in this country is unclear, by the way, why shouldn't we feel threatened by that? If they go out of their way to crush families, to make it impossible for your kids to buy a house, getting involved in the sex lives of your children, which they are, if they do all of that, they need to lose.

And at the end of all of it, when they tell you they've won, no. You can look them straight in the face and say, I'm sorry, dad's home and he's pissed. Thank you. So Tucker ended the speech with a build up to and repetition of the dad's home and he's pissed line, which really should signal that it's one of the important points he's trying to make. And also, I believe if you're following his train of thought, that's your response. If Harris wins the election is no fuck you dad's home. I mean, it based on what he said, that's your response.

Should anybody win the election? I guess, but you're celebrating the Dad's home if Trump wins. I guess. So it feels to me like there are two general theses. One, the Dad's home and he's mad, and that you should feel normal. Cool. So there was a part of me that considered not even bothering with covering this speech because there's a bit of it that's clearly some trolling for attention. I think he was hoping that news outlets would call him a

Nazi for the triumph of the human spirit stuff and I'm sure he knew that people were going to talk about the spanking stuff so I would have just left it alone. But then there was more Tucker news this week and I couldn't resist folding this all into one together. Okay. Alright. So here was this guy who'd given this big speech at Turning Point USA's rally about how normal he is. Spank me daddy. Spank me. Daddy.

Daddy spank me. All of these people are so normal. Daddy's home and he's gonna give me a spanking. So what should come out just a few days later? How about a video of Tucker Carlson talking about the time he was attacked by a demon? I'm sorry what? Do you think what presence of evil is kick-starting people to wonder about the goods? That's what happened to me. That's what happened to you? Oh yeah I had a direct experience with it. In the milieu of journalism or just

nope in my bed at night and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. Physically mauled. No. Um. In a spiritual attack by a demon? Yeah, by a demon. Or by something unseen that left...

Is that right? Claw marks on my sides, on my... So it left physical marks. Oh, they're still there. Yeah, yeah. Wow. So if it wasn't clear before, it's now super obvious to me that Tucker Carlson is the most interesting and craven person in the entire media sphere. He's eclipsed any possible competition. And just before the election, a clip begins circulating of him walking in the woods talking to a guy

about he was how he was attacked by a literal demon. Or at least that's the only conclusion he's decided to accept about this experience that he's had. This isn't news to us per se. Alex has said many times on air that Tucker got attacked by a demon, but he always tried to do so in a way that was pretending to protect the fact that Tucker told him this in confidence. It's been super clear that this was rooted in something that he'd told Alex, but it wasn't clear to me how much of this was lost in translation,

and how much of it was just Tucker being an opportunist and telling Alex what Alex wants to hear. If I'm to take anything he says in this clip seriously, Tucker Carlson is a lunatic zealot of the highest order. I reserve that to be a possible conclusion we come to, but I think it's also possible as an explanation for him coming out and discussing the Steven attack, he knows that he's passed the event horizon, and there's no escaping the black hole that is this brand that he's created for himself. There's no sense in trying to maintain some air of respectability to the mainstream, it's

just time to pack it in and become the prophet he's been pretending to not want to be. He's now a religious figure, in the same way that Alex is a religious figure, and they've made Trump a religious figure. If anything they say is to be believed, then these dudes, Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, these two shithead right-wing talk show blowhards, require a new book of the Bible to be written. They're figures on the scale of Paul, in terms of their importance to the conception of religious history, and I think it's kind of cowardly of them not to demand a new book. If you want to play messiah games, don't give me this half measure shit. Do it.

Change the religion. Anyway, this clip of Tucker was going around, but I didn't see a lot of context to it. Like many people were making jokes about how it must be a deep fake because there's no way that Tucker would say this kind of shit. He's such an idiot. But it is real. And it's in fact part of a publicity campaign for a new documentary film called Christianities, which explores the idea that there are wholly different Christianities that are forming

in the world that share very little overlap with one another. I think it's a fair premise and I would agree that there's a difference between Christianity and fundamentalist Christianity in the same way that there's a difference between Christianity and fundamentalist Christianity in the same way that there's a difference between any religion and its fundamentalist counterpart. So I have this thin agreement with the premise of the film without having seen it, but there's one thing that isn't really brought up in this clip which made me curious, which is who's this guy that Tucker's talking to?

They're out in the woods, he's talking to some guy. So this is a guy named John Hears and he doesn't seem to be all that interesting To be perfectly honest with you If you watch the full trailer of the film you kind of come away with the impression that he's a normal guy with some questions He's a storyteller. He wants to explore what the word Christian means to different people great However, if you do watch this trailer, you'll notice that the film is put out by Holy Wisdom Films, which doesn't seem like a very impartial kind of company name for a project like this. Little different.

Holy Wisdom Films is a company that was created specifically for the sake of producing this documentary, and it's run by an orthodox priest coincidentally named Father Peter Hears. He's John Hears, the host of the documentary's brother. I think the idea of someone making a sincere open-minded documentary about how the definition of what makes someone a Christian is an interesting idea. It's a subject that has a lot of relevance in the world today, so I don't begrudge the concept, but I think that this particular documentary looks a little shady. Looks like they're trying to present it as some kind of open-minded exploration of the subject, but it's actually a thinly veiled piece of fringe extreme right-wing

Orthodox theology. I suspect that because Peter Hears, the producer of the film and the brother of the host, is a major and controversial figure in the Orthodox world. One of the main selling points of the Orthodox Church is that they claim to follow the traditions rigidly. There are rules and structures that are followed, and by following them exactly, they claim that they've been able to maintain the same faith from the time of Christ. Since that's the premise, it's very weird that Father Peter Hears doesn't have a bishop

over him, which every other person in his position in the Orthodox Church does. That's strange, and should probably be a deal breaker for being a leader in the whole tradition- based community. So he seems a little bit sketchy to me, but I'm not particularly interested in gatekeeping other people's religious hierarchies. That's their business. What is important now is that he's the producer of this documentary where Tucker talks to his brother about how he was attacked by demons. This is in the context of a film that's purporting to be an exploration of what it means to be

a Christian. Incidentally, Peter has maintained a YouTube channel where he's posted videos about the Orthodox Church for at least the past seven years, and if you watch a couple of these videos it should be super clear that he would never produce a film that asks the question what does it mean to be a Christian? He would produce a film hosted by his brother with a pretty specific answer to that question that he's trying to push. In fact, both of the brothers have been pretty clear in certain circles that this movie is their attempt to convert people to the Orthodox Church. But you know how some souls have contour and if we could smell them, they have a certain smell, they have a certain sound. We're trying to illuminate the soul

of Christ on Earth, of Christ's body on Earth and through film. Now that we can't do it because we're not it's not sacramental in the sense. We're not offering it through the church, but we're offering a way to feel and sense that which is real without making it a polemic. Right. That makes sense? You know, people talk about how do you come and convert to Christ, to his body, to become a true Christian. That process is not mainly, although it's not irrational, it's not mainly rational. In other words, it's not a rationalistic process.

It's not a two and two is four process, right? If it's true and it's heartfelt, it's going to be heartfelt. It's going to be not sentimental, but not logical, but supra logical. It's going to be intuitive if you want to use that word. It's going to be an encounter. So they'll say stuff like that in an interview with an orthodox podcaster But when they release the trailer for the film, it sounds more like this which doesn't quite sound the same What is a Christian? I kind of do this for a living. My name's John Hears and this is our restaurant. And in this restaurant, we throw this Georgian supra.

It's a dinner and it elicits all these toasts and ideas and emotions. And inevitably the question comes up, what is a Christian? An evangelist, a missionary, a martyr, a healer, a saint. What is the church? A denomination, a building, an invisible body. What's Christianity? A religion, a way of life,

a revolutionary political movement. There's a cultural moment happening right now where the old Christianity has died in many people's hearts. And yet, if you drive around town, you see that it exists. Why is it so different from one place to the next? What you see is not a single Christianity, but Christianity's. You see a divided faith,

divided by politics, by belief, by whatever. Are you driving by a museum or a social club or something else? What's inside all those buildings? Is there something for you there? Where is God and if you knew where he was, would you wanna go? Is there a Christianity that's growing?

Or dare I ask, is it more true than others? We're going to interview people from all over the world, and as we do, I want to go on a journey with you guys and figure it out. Our goal is to investigate how people through the millennia, and right now, how they see Christianity. Let's figure out what's going on with all of these Christianities.

So that trailer might lead you to think that this was a sincere exploration of various forms of Christianity, not the brother of a fringe Orthodox priest pretending to be a neutral truth seeker in order to sell you on orthodoxy being the only true Christianity. Do you think they're going to go through this and find like, oh, you know what, Baptists are pretty cool too? I think so. I think, yeah, it's probably. I think the Unitarian Church is the one. It's such a fraud, which only becomes more clear when you realize that Tucker is being interviewed in this documentary, fully aware of who's making it and why. You know this because the film is directed by Scooter Downey, a dude who produced and worked for Tucker Carlson's show from 2021 to 2023. The surface story

here is that Tucker's a fucking lunatic who believes he was attacked in the night by a demon, but the actual story is a little bit worse. Whether he believes it or not, Tucker is allowing this documentary to tell his story of being attacked by a demon as part of the media blitz for their film, which is a disingenuous and manipulative charade of exploring Christianity in service of promoting the Orthodox Church. But back to the Tucker story. He was attacked by a demon with claws while he was in bed with four dogs.

These marks that don't get shown in the clip are still there, approximately a year and a half later. Tucker used the word mauled, which is pretty severe. Just based on human biology, if he still has these marks, then it can't have been a superficial cut, which is also supported by this being called a mauling. This would have to be a really serious attack. He would have ended up in the hospital for sure

after something like this. This is ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah, you know, one thing I think that is at the root of all the conversations happening right now between disinformation researchers and how useless they are, the conversation that they're not having

is the most obvious one, which is that what they are doing is not actually addressing what is being talked about. They are not dealing with religion because there's no way for them to deal with religion. It's not possible. Because you'll piss people off. So until religion is dealt with in an adult way, it's just not going to matter what people have to say about, oh, I can prove this isn't real. Yeah, but Jesus says it is, so you lose.

You're going to lose. You lose to Jesus. Right. Sorry. But, you know, quote unquote, as you're putting it, dealing with religion isn't eliminating religion or... However, anybody wants to deal with it wherein we have to... Right, but you understand what that's going's gonna sound like I'm fine with that

Okay, however anybody wants to deal with it. It's gonna have to be dealt with Sure, I mean, we're just gonna continue believing false things all the time. Do you suggest? Um, if you believe in a religion you have to adhere to the book Hmm, and if you don't adhere to the book, you don't say you believe in the religion Okay, there you go Okay, so you you route require essentially like real fundamentalist literal Interpretations of I don't require anything

Well, I don't want anything to do with it, right? But if you want to be really good at fourth this standard that you're gonna require of yes It's this it's your standard. You're the one who wrote the book. Why? Because that's what you say, but why do you have you know, some things are reinterpreted? Okay, even the book itself is well, then write your own book write your own book and do a new one and then adhere to that One well, I mean I definitely think that that's what Alex and Tucker need to do based on what they're up to. See?

There you go. If you don't believe in Christianity, don't make a documentary about Christianity. Write your own book. I am not sure exactly how we get to this place. And I don't know if the question that you're asking is actually the most important question we need to answer. I think I think that, you know, in this sort of old fashioned the understanding of the separation of church and state, I think we can get to a point where we're get closer to that. You know, don't legislate based on your religious shit that's between that's your business. It's not to be imposed on everyone else. Yeah, but part of a lot of people's religious shit is imposing it upon everybody else. So their business in that sense is they are required. They're called by God to impose it upon you.

It's just that's just how it's gonna go You know and it's fine if that's how everybody wants it to be but this is the results like that's a religious rat Tucker's rally is not a political rally. You're right. It is a religious revival. Yeah, so what good is Disinformation gonna do against a religious revival? Um, I think that you can still make inroads in terms of providing information to folks who can hear it. Sure. And then I think that honestly dealing with it as it is, is a function of that disinformation monitoring and shit. You know, dealing with the reality and the descriptive nature of this, that this is a religious phenomenon

that is happening. Sure. Sure. I think that that's part of the responsibility. Sure. I agree. So Tucker got attacked by a demon though Do you want to hear more about that? Sure. All right. Here's sure. Here's more from the trailer My sweet left physical mark. Oh, they're still there. Yeah. Yeah A year and a half ago was your wife terrified. I know you were I wasn't I was totally confused I woke up and I was couldn't breathe that I I was going to suffocate and I walked around outside. What? And I walked in and my wife and dogs had not woken up and they're very light sleepers.

And then I had these terrible pains on my rib cage and on my shoulder and I was just in my boxer shorts and I went and flipped on the light in the bathroom and I had four claw marks on either side underneath my arms and on my left shoulder. And they're bleeding. Wait, they were bleeding? They were bleeding, yeah. They were actual claw marks. And I sleep on my side, so I wasn't clawing myself. I don't have long nails.

And they didn't fit my hands anyway. But yeah, that happened. So this story is full of holes. Wild. If this supposed claw mark and the claw marks that were on his body were bleeding, then they would have to be deep enough cuts to still be present 18 months later. He would have been bleeding so much. He wouldn't have just had some kind of vague night terror, wander around a little bit and

then realize, oh what's this, I'm bleeding. This would be a life threatening injury. Or maybe Tucker's a bit of a bullshitter and he wants to impress this orthodox friend of his to help promote his religious propaganda masquerading as a documentary. Some might suggest that maybe Tucker had a nightmare and maybe one of the four dogs that were in bed with him clawed him at some point and he had a scratch from that, which he's now exaggerating out into this stupid story because he's very aware of how extremely religious his brand has gotten.

I think that's maybe Occam's Razor telling me... Might have a... I mean, that's presuming there needs to be a kernel of truth. Why? Why even bother with a kernel of truth? Make it up. I bled out from my armpits from a demon fight and then I was revived by God himself, god damn it!

I would prefer that story. I would love that story. I would love that story I'll take that. I would honestly prefer that because it has less like places where logic can come into it. Yeah. There's too many spots where it's like hold on a second here. Hey now stop it. Yeah. You're because it's and it's he's doing it to this person. Yes. And then he's doing it to us through this person. This person credulously believes this bullshit So we're not even allowed to go and then before you before you even say another lying word out of your dumb Fuck this guy who's talking to him is thrilled because he's got Tucker Carlson telling this sensational ass story

That's gonna help him get the rest of the funding. He needs to finish this documentary. Yep So like he's pumped it is the most it is the wealthiest minutes of his life. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yep. So Tucker talks a little bit more about this and he woke up the next morning and he thought it was a dream. So I know I'm not from a world where things like that happen. I never heard of anything like that happening before. I had no idea what that was. I knew it was spiritual immediately. You did. Okay. That was going to be my question. Yeah. I don't understand to this day. I knew it was spiritual immediately. You did? Okay, that was gonna be my question. Yeah. Well, I don't understand to this day.

I'm not gonna put it over. You didn't try to refute the spiritual part in your own mind. You went right into the idea. Well, it didn't make any sense, and it doesn't now. So, but I'm not from a, what do they call it? Faith tradition that talks about things like that or even acknowledges their existence. Like, there's nothing like that. I've never heard anybody say anything like that in my whole life.

What was the next day like? Well, the next morning I woke up and I thought, that was the weirdest dream I've ever had. And then I saw blood on my sheets and I realized that was not a dream at all. My assistant was like the only evangelical person I know. I lost my virginity! I didn't know enough to call with something bizarre like that, totally bizarre like that.

And she said, oh, yeah, no, no, that happens. Yeah, people are attacked in their bed by demons. No, what? What are you even talking about? Yeah, so, I mean, I'm not leaving anything out. So one thing that's suspiciously absent from this story, of which Tucker has just said he's leaving nothing out, is him talking to a doctor, or getting his mauling wounds tended to. This story makes no sense at all.

He woke up in pain in the middle of the night, wandered around, and then he saw that he had multiple big claw marks on his body which were bleeding. His wife and dogs have now woken up and there's blood in his bed, but he just decides, oh well, I guess I'll go back to sleep. Nothing that he's experiencing seems like an emergency to him which is nuts. Despite the severe pain he's in, he apparently has no problem just getting back into bed like nothing happened. So he wakes up the next morning, by which point you'd assume that he would have bled

a shitload more into the bed. He would be covered in blood. His wife would be covered in blood. That bed was the sight of a mauling in the night, but Tucker somehow wakes up and thinks to himself, well maybe that was a dream. Despite the situation he must have been in, where he has open wounds all over his torso, is in terrible pain, his wife has been sleeping in a bloody bed, his dogs are probably terrified, he's still able to think the demon part was just a dream. This is fucking insane.

And at very least we're implying that this demon has the powers of like, Ambien and emergency first aid that it's carrying out on him. So he realizes that a demon attacked him in the night, and instead of calling a doctor to deal with his very real mauling wounds, Tucker calls his assistant because they're an evangelical Christian who might understand all the demon stuff. Of course. That's insane.

No, that's reasonable. And I don't believe that anyone would act like this. At least not anyone with the ability to care for their own basic needs. Like Tucker knows that when he's hungry he needs to eat food. He gets that basic dynamic so I assume that he knows that if he has a big bleeding claw wound they're gonna keep bleeding or get infected if he doesn't get treatment. You think this has all the hallmarks to me of just like a very super embellished story. Like I have this cat that sleeps on my bed sometimes you might have heard of her Celine in the night. Sometimes she scratched me and I've woken up with wounds. It's less common

than when I first got her, but it does still happen sporadically. And I don't always remember these scratches happening in the night because I'm still half asleep, and I just wake up and have a cut. I could see this kind of thing happening to Tucker, and because he's a shithead opportunist who knew that the GOP is rapidly becoming a fundamentalist, esoteric, demon-hunting Christian party, he saw how we could turn this into a story about a demon! Yeah, make some money off this. I can believe a number of the elements of this story have some connection to reality, but what I cannot believe is that Tucker was attacked by a demon or even that he sincerely

thinks that he was attacked by a demon. Part of the reason that I don't believe that he believes that this story is because it's being told in a gospel church anecdote kind of way where the elements of the story are meant to prop up the underlying unbelievable premise of the story while not making any sense from a motivation standpoint. Tucker is supposed to have been a rationalist with no faith tradition that believes in demons attacking you in the night and I'm supposed to believe that he didn't respond to the signs of a demon attacking him in the night In the way that a rationalist might like why did he respond like an evangelical would?

He like he knew that it was spiritual immediately He told this guy that that doesn't make any sense if he entered the experience of the mindset that he's pretending he had But the response sounds good to an evangelical writing a story about an imaginary rationalist version of themselves. I'm supposed to believe that cynical-ass Tucker wakes up in severe pain, wanders around the house, then sees that he's bleeding from multiple claw marks, and his first reaction isn't to check on his kids or his wife? He doesn't call the police? His wife might have been stabbed by somebody in the night if he's got blood on him.

The fuck, he doesn't even know if she's alive. The whole thing. Instead he goes back to bed? It doesn't make sense from a character motivation standpoint. Further, why didn't the demon kill him? Can demons only go so far with their cuts, like hurting you enough to give you a fun story but not enough so you can't go back to sleep? Did the demons know that Tucker is a media personality so they kept the attack isolated

to parts of his body that are always covered by shirts? If this is some kind of spiritual war shouldn't the demons have tried again? Like Tucker is supposed to be one of the most dangerous people on his side of the spiritual war so it kind of implies to me that maybe this is as bad as demons can do? Like if they go out of their way to materialize into our reality to attack Tucker Carlson and this is all they've got, I'm not worried about demons. I'm not hearing a personal stake in it for the demon.

That's what I don't understand, right? Like, are we, is the assumption, because I feel like the assumption is that Tucker is attacked by a demon because he's Tucker mm-hmm He's he's just a thing that gets attacked by demons He's too much of a general on their side of the spiritual war right so so it's like he should always be under threat from A demon attack of course they're always right. I don't understand why this one then and Then an end and then a go home well we don't get

an answer to this from Tucker but we will later from Alex okay so you could we could put a pin in that for a second all right okay I agree with you that like from just a premise standpoint this is really dumb I just like what you're saying what's the motivation of the demon? Like is it like you better shut your mouth? Yeah, yeah, I'll take any I don't need I don't need a good one Is the demon trying to make you not do your show or yeah, it failed That makes sense it failed that but that'd be fine Is the very least is the demon fired like did the demon only mean to attack you a little bit to scare you right?

I just I don't I don't know. it's so dumb. It doesn't make any sense It is it is so fun watching because Tucker is the thing that I've noticed from listening to Tucker now is He knows exactly who he's lying to. Oh, yes, and he goes as far as he can. Yep He really does like I think he's I do because I've had that feeling of like are you fucking with me? Mm-hmm, and he is he's fucking with them He's going to the exact point where he knows I can say the most ridiculous shit to you And you won't even bat an eyelash yeah, that's kind of some of the difference between like Elon and Tucker

There's a great disdain for the audience and they dance around in it. There's a shameful shamelessness about their like, I'm getting away with this shit, you guys have no fucking idea. And as much as Alex does also have some of that energy, I do think he feels bad. He constantly feels bad. He doesn't feel like this. No.

Whatever this is, if this could be described as a feeling or a vacuous emptiness that rivals space itself, then that is not what Alex feels. There are some moments where Alex can attain that, but a lot of the time he kinda seems like not joyful. Yeah. In... Yeah, and it makes me understand better like when you get that he is, he knows who he's lying to,

then it makes more sense whenever you know like, oh well in conversations that aren't around this with other people, he lies to them differently. It's okay. He's not believing this or that. He's just lying to everyone to a certain degree. Yeah, and obviously there is some sort of a center somewhere that is like a... Maybe. Somewhere between lowercase and uppercase T truth. Maybe.

Well, I mean, I feel like there has to be, but it's not really important to try and figure out what it is. You know, it's kind of a moot point. Whether it is there or isn't is less important than getting rid of his ass he could believe all this shit or not it does not matter nope anyway he doesn't understand what happened okay his demon so I mean I'm not leaving anything out and and I'm not if you want to understand that I can only say what happened to me than that Did happen to me and and then I was seized with this

very intense desire to read the Bible Which I then started without any study aids or anything. I bought a Bible that didn't have any I'm not interested in editorializing in the Bible I just want to read it and see what's in there myself. I have very little levels of trust for Christian pastors Most of them. Oh my god, you know, I'm just not a fan at all. And sorry to say that, but that's how I feel. And so I just didn't, I don't want to hear other people's opinions. I just want to see what's in there. And I, so I spent a year and a half reading it and then I started rereading it and it was a, just a transformative experience.

And I decided to be part of this Orthodoxodox propaganda documentary. Yeah, it's really fun and cute to say that you don't pretend to understand something. But the reality here is that Tucker is not trying to understand anything. Tucker clearly isn't saying like, I've considered alternative explanations and the only thing I can not exclude is demons. He wants people to think that that's what he's saying. Because that's the only rational way to say I was attacked in the night by a demon. If you say like, look, it can't fucking possibly be the case, but here is one alternative explanation. Here's another. And the reasons that these can't be the case. Like you have to say that you recognize that

what you're doing is completely irrational, but you've entertained every other possibility. Tucker wants to be treated like he's that kind of a person because the reality is that he's a lunatic, but he wants to be respected and taken seriously. So this is the path he's cut. Just imagine if some democratic pundit, let's say the most popular democratic pundit in the world came out and said that their policy preferences and their support for the presidential candidate they had was predicated on something like, a ghost told me this. That's about how seriously you should take anything Tucker's saying. I don't believe his demon bullshit for a second, but I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting into some religious literature.

I'm not going to shit on Tucker for reading the Bible, but I do think that he's kind of stupid and that his oppositional defiance is getting in his own way. He claims that he just read the Bible and re-read it because he wanted to see what was in there. He didn't want to take someone else's word for it, so he didn't listen to anyone's interpretation. I get that motivation, you know, to have your own perspective, but for that to work, you have to be smart enough to understand what you're reading.

When I saw him in reading Pennsylvania, Tucker cited a passage from the Bible about how you know a tree by its fruits. He thought that meant that a lemon tree makes lemons, so by the fruit produced, you can categorize the tree. It's actually very clear from the context that knowing a tree by its fruit means that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. It's about the health of the tree being apparent by the fruit it bears. This is super elementary Jesus stuff, and yet Tucker didn't understand that very basic concept.

So I'm not sure I trust him to read the Bible on his own and reread it and get anything out of it. I'm honestly not convinced at all that he's read the Bible, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he just memorized some verses that he saw in memes that he doesn't understand and Great. Yeah good basis for your Spirituality. Yeah, that sounds about right I had I had a night terror that I'm embellishing into a demon attack and then I skimmed some Bible memes Go fuck yourself. I feel I feel like Elijah Dan. I feel like Elijah because Here's here's what I'll say, imagine that

Tucker Carlson was a sacrifice to Baal. Now all these priests around here, let's call them Tucker's mouth, pouring gasoline on this altar to Baal, trying to make it start on fire on its own by let's say blasphemy of a highest order Beyond all reckoning right and still he won't light on fire So I have proven that your God is not real Tucker because if he was you'd be on fire It's it's that kind of thing that I I hate him for like what he represents in terms of just the secular world and the damage that this mentality that he perpetuates does. But if I were religious, I feel like I would hate him more. You should! You should! I feel like I would be furious at this kind of a behavior.

Right. So anyway, I just think he sucks. And he ends this little piece of the documentary that was released on a bit of a defensive note. Okay. And it was a just a transformative experience for me, but I'm not, you know, holding myself out as someone from whom you could get theological advice because I'm not. I don't know. I don't understand any of it. But yeah, that happened. me. Do you think God allowed the demon to... I have no idea what happened. All I know is I was dead asleep with my wife and dogs, and I woke up with claw marks on my ribcage underneath my arms.

And it didn't even make sense. My arms would... Anyway, whatever. I'm not... No one has to believe me. I don't care. But that happened to me. And so I just was like, wow, that's real. Whatever that is, I'm not even sure what it is. It's very real. And so then that presence of that evil launches something. So for someone who really doesn't care if I believe his very true story, Tucker seems pretty insistent on reminding me that the story is real and it doesn't matter if I

believe it. And here's the deal. I don't believe it. And there's no part reminding me that the story is real and it doesn't matter if I believe it. And here's the deal. I don't believe it. And there's no part of me that believes that Tucker believes it. But I also don't care if it happened or not. I can't imagine anything I care less about. If Tucker is lying, then literally everything I already believe stays the same. He's a bullshit artist scamming people with scary stories that they want to hear. But if Tucker is telling the truth and his interpretation of all this is correct, I'm not interested. In that case, we live in a

world where there are demons who can hurt you a little bit but not that much, and they waste their time fucking with Tucker Carlson for unclear reasons. Like why did they choose to attack him at that point in time? Seems weird. I'm not worried about these demons. Now I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this was recorded in October of this year. And a year and a half ago is when this demon attack, he's saying it happened, also happens to be when he was fired from Fox News in the fallout from that Dominion lawsuit where they lost $787.5 million. Did the demon happen to mention Dominion, you think? I'm sure that timing is a coincidence, right? I mean, it has to be.

It is odd. About a year and a half ago from this point, Tucker got fired from Fox News, and along with that, he lost the last time he would ever be on a major network or work for a legitimate outlet. He'd spent his previous years on air burning bridges and living high on the hog with his enviable ratings. But in chasing those ratings he'd done some shows that got the company sued and they didn't want to keep him around anymore, so he got humbled. He could try to get another TV job, but where? Any of the other Trumpworld networks would be a huge downgrade and going to a place like

Daily Wire would be too. That would be subordinating yourself to like Ben Shapiro. No good. Tucker had to strike out on his own, but if he did a Fox News style show on Twitter or YouTube, who would even care? The audience that he relied on with Fox wasn't the same audience that would support him in his new digital foray, so they needed to get a little bit looser with standards. So you can see him start to court other fringe celebrities to boost his cachet like Alex and Cat Turd. You saw the messaging begin to drift more and more overtly toward this white identity extreme right wing Christian perspective.

Basically Tucker needed to court a new audience once he was fired from Fox, and now that he has it, he's solidifying his place in it basically as a prophet. This dramatic ass story about a demon attack is supposed to be the explanation for why he's doing the shit he's doing now but wasn't before. In the real world, it's because Fox paid him a shitload of money and he didn't need to desperately chase this audience, but now he has no choice. What I'm saying is that all this is just rooted in Tucker not being able to handle being fired from Fox. That inability to cope is now being retold as a demon attack that Tucker is telling a couple of orthodox zealots

so they can market their conversion movie. There's a lot going on here beyond just his stupid demon story. It helps. Yeah. It helps to have a transformative demon experience as opposed to I got fired. Yeah, because I'm a big asshole.

I am no longer bound to the laws of the FCC is not quite as interesting as I am no longer bound to the laws Of God and man for I am demon fighter Tucker Yeah, and the like like the part that you know the ugly truth of his Getting fired and the way that all happened is that like that closed the door on him pretty much working anywhere ever again. Sure. Like no reputable person or outlet was probably if he got fired from fucking Fox. We'll see what happens.

I don't trust any of these people anymore. I don't either but I can't imagine like the amount he would ask as a price that he needed to be paid to be working somewhere mixed with how many people he'd probably pissed off during his time on Fox. The liability of his behavior leading to and being a part of that lawsuit. I just can't imagine any business being like, this is worth it. Right. I would, I would, OK. While I see where you're coming from,

I would still give you two to one odds that within the next 10 years, CNN hires him because their ratings are low and they think it's going to be the next thing that they get their viewers for. I would give you two to one odds on that. I'll take that back. OK. We'll work that back. Okay.

We'll work it out later. All right. So naturally, when I heard this, when I saw this video, the first thing I thought was, oh man, Alex is going to be pissed. This whole demon thing is his domain. And if anybody has been on the cutting edge of normalizing talking about fighting demons, it's Alex Jones. If anyone should have gotten the interview where Tucker finally opens up about this shit, it's Alex, and I think Tucker did him dirty. Alex is put in

the work, Tucker pretends to respect him, this should be an instance where Tucker does a sit down special with Alex like the LeBron decision. A lot of times when news breaks and Alex has to rush out a video to make it about himself, I feel like it's desperate and it's a sad game he's playing, but in this case I feel different. I expected him to put out a video to get on top of things and associate himself with the story, but I also felt like he deserved to. This is a situation where Alex making the story about himself is actually him trying to correct the record because Tucker left him out.

In this case, I want to be totally clear, Tucker fucked Alex. This is an insane headline grabbing story where he's claiming he was attacked by a demon. He 100% owes Alex that story. He owes Alex an exclusive on that. And for Alex to have to record a video responding to this clip being posted on Twitter while he's driving around in his car, that tells me he didn't get a heads up that this was going to go live or anything. and that's just rude of Tucker. It's at a point where Alex needs a win. He

needs an exclusive juicy story to help move traffic over to his new fake website. Like if I were Alex I would be so pissed. Yeah, this is bullshit. Whatever happened behind the scenes, Alex learns that this clip is going around while he's driving somewhere. So he decides to cut a video about it from behind the wheel. What is wrong with these people? What is wrong with these people? No, but here's the problem. I agree with you big picture. Sure. But what's wrong with these people? Alex is the only person who's acting sane. No, no, no. That's, I mean, yes.

I was deserved. I deserve a cut of this asshole. I recognize that no I recognize that We're in topsy-turvy world. Why not? Yeah, why not? So here's here's Alex in his car. All right, all right I have never told this story Or these stories and I'm gonna do it tomorrow on the Friday show But I was basically inspired to go ahead and do it. I took a Carlson today. So

a few years ago, I knew about this when it first happened and I'm not going to get into the it only happened 18 months ago, right? But then last year when I was at Tucker's house in Maine at dinner. We started talking about the paranormal and things. And he told me about the two experiences he'd had in his life once when he was a child with their house on California in the backyard.

And then the other had happened about a year before, or a little less than a year before when. And he was a guy with a shirt. God was real. He's not like some guy that hears voices and see stuff. So I was getting some frantic. And he got attacked and she told the story about the demon in the bed and scratching him and all the rest of it. And he got into more details and it wasn't like he wasn't scratching himself. it was like from the front down to the back, he couldn't do it himself with his hands. So it's fair that Alex hadn't told as many details of the story as we know now, but he's absolutely very obviously implied that Tucker told him he was attacked by a literal demon. That's why we make jokes about Tucker being attacked by a demon, because we've heard Alex

talk about it before. Yep. I also like the way that Alex throws in that little detail about something happening in Tucker's backyard in California. Almost as like a subtle wink to Tucker, like, please tell that story on my show. Give me something. Yeah. You asshole. Hey, first off, one, I know more than you, so I am still bigger than you, the audience.

And the people who think Tucker telling them that story is cool, I know more stories. I'm still closer to Tucker, okay? I think that Tucker, I mean, what Alex is reflecting is like, I could have said way more, and I didn't. Yeah. And you fucked me. Yeah, he feels spurned. Yeah.

And I think rightly so. I mean, within the social structure that these fucking monsters have built together. Yeah, yes I this is fucked up. I like look all this is so fucked up that any of this is reality sure But I just think if I were in like Let's say I'm on a judge Judy type show sure and these people are coming to me with this story, right? I would I would rule that Tucker owes Alex an apology. Fair.

You know? I think that's fair. Yeah. But you gotta understand, we're not in a Judge Judy justice world. We're in a violent gang street operation where Alex is the triads or whatever and Tucker's competing.

You can't trust other gangs. Sure, you were selling heroin together yesterday, but now is today. Tucker's competing. You can't trust other gangs. Sure, you were selling heroin together yesterday, but now is today. It's different. Yeah. Yeah, can't trust him. And I don't know what to feel about this exactly, except I think it's all very funny.

It is very funny. So Tucker, you know, he had this demon attack and you told Alex about it. Yeah. And we get a little bit of background information here Okay, about how talk or Alex blew Tucker's mind. Oh god. I've never really told My stories I told him some and just to show him What I was talking about I I

Said I think I know what happened to you without him telling me anything else about it about why it happened where it came from the deal was behind it the demon that is and I nailed where it came from I don't know what that means. I mean And I'm 50 now and I've learned To go with my spirit instinct where everyone call it six cents And as long as you just open up to it when it calls it's always dead on and I blew him away so that's why I said I'm the most successful person's ever met but I'm not just one of the persons ever nailed stuff for him loved by the skill but I just in my spirit I knew how it happened and I said recently has anyone laid hands on you?

Oh, for God sakes. It just came to me and he said, he got really freaked out. He kind of got up. He went to the bathroom, came back and he said, I haven't told my wife this. I haven't told anybody. I, he goes, just a week ago, I was on an airplane flying back here. And I, this happened a while back before that. And I said, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I haven't told anybody. He goes, just a week ago I was on an airplane flying back here and this happened a while back before that and he started clicking to him was that when this happened. So we were like simpatico we were like linked up. But I'm going to tell more of the story tomorrow and I need to call him and get permissions Come on my show come on my show It's out now fact. He did tell me part of it. Not to ever tell Say you call him. Yeah, you probably should have called him already. Yep. This seems weird Who are you talking to now?

That is more important than talking to him right about a literal demon attack. Yeah. Is it more important that there's literal demons attacking Tucker Carlson that is a true thing that we all know now or is it more important that you get out in front of the Tucker didn't tell me that he was going to drop this knowledge story according to the rules of the game. Yeah, Tucker needed to involve Alex and I agree. Yes. I agree. So for Alex, priority number one is I got to get whatever I can out of this, so I need to strike fast. So him recording a video in the car, I would argue actually is more important

than calling him in terms of the game. I agree. I agree. But human level, I do think you probably should have called him before you start talking about his backyard in California And how someone laid hands on him yeah put a demon in it But yeah, I think I think you're right in in so far as like that is that instinct that they all have That's the instinct that they all have they know the game and that's why nobody else wins It is because he he found out and he knew we had to record a video about how he knows more And he had to yeah, like I doubt it took longer than 15 seconds to get from Here is the start of that video to I need to record something

Yeah, I can't even wait to get like to a camera and wait to get to the studio I don't think he watched the whole video at all doubtful not even close. Yeah Like to a camera and wait to get to the studio or whatever have to pull over Doubtful not even close. Yeah. Yep. So it turns out Alex was able to tell Tucker someone put hands on you sure and this is this is how we ended up with a demon in You yeah, and also I've had an experience of my own Now are you I oh god? And then I'll tell you my story. Oh God. God damn it.

And I've only had what they call a poltergeist, that's the German name for it, angry spirit, because they throw people around and smash stuff. Only had that once. Clear blue, middle of the day, growing up, I was like 11 years old, dislocated my shoulder. I was a tough kid. I didn't figure it out till later that day. I'll tell the story tomorrow. This is real though.

I guess his crew probably put this out, not because he wanted to, but he taped so much stuff because it is Halloween and he's gonna see the time for that. But this is no joke. This is real. And I'm talking about joking. You know what's funny? Oh my God. As I was going through all of this, it never once crossed my mind that this could be a

Halloween thing. Nope. Until Alex said it wasn't. Not until then. I still don't think it was, but it never even occurred to me that this could be a publicity stunt for Halloween. I guess Alex is worried that people might take it that way. I mean, hey, why would anybody take this whole demon god stuff seriously if Tucker Carlson

is saying it to a religious figure? I take it so not seriously that I didn't even think it was Halloween really. I had no, it didn't occur to me that Halloween would be involved. So Alex got attacked by a poltergeist. Ah man. Yeah. Oh boy. All right, fine, fine. You win. All of you win. It was

totally real too. All of you get to say whatever you want. That's fine. Alex had a Poltergeist. I was telling him about some of my experiences and he wanted me to tape this podcast the next day to tell him and I said I just the public can't handle it. I said why don't you tell him your story. He goes you're right. I get your point So I guess now is the time for him to tell it but I got the feeling he was a tell the story on Air I told my story. Oh So you blew it one. It's one poltergeist you blew it. That's what it was There's no doubt about it

I'll tell the story tomorrow. It was like a real obvious didn't see anything. But mmm, I Mean, maybe it's like Predator, you know, like the movie Predator was got a shield up. It's an alien. You can't see anything but hmm I mean maybe it's like Predator you know like the movie Predator we've got a shield up it's an alien you can't see it I just know it threw me around like a rag doll just clear blue going totally not on drugs nothing didn't take drugs you know 11 years old in sports going to get a Gatorade out of the refrigerator and freaking right out of a movie man. Yeah, so I'll tell the story to one, it's just time for all this to come out. Everybody needs to understand this is a fight between good versus evil

and this stuff's going on. It's whether you call them demons, aliens, whatever the fuck they are, they're there. Alright, I'll blow you away tomorrow and it's all real. All my children. Follow me on the new channel in case they shut down Real Alex Jones and Full Wars, which is close. As you see, some of the news are trying and that's at AJN, Alex Jones Network, at AJN Live. It's really important to do that. This feels like a person dealing with betrayal. Alex and Tucker seriously bonded over this shared experience

and Alex even blew him away by being able to explain how the demon probably got into him. Alex felt like Tucker was encouraging him to tell his story on Tucker's show, presumably because it would make for better clickbait. But then when it's time for Tucker to tell his story about the demon attack, does he do it on his own show even? Or does he do it on Alex's show? No, he does it in the woods with this John Heer guy.

Do they have a spiritual connection about this? Did John here help Tucker understand what he had experienced? No fucking Alex did Honestly, I think this is all very stupid and a sign of how bad things are in our country right now But I also can't separate myself from the drama of this speaking in terms of the dynamics between these two people It's almost undefensible what Tucker did to Alex in the Big Demon reveal. It's so wrong. I don't know. I mean, you know, you have Alex on your show and Alex says he's got a poltergeist and you

say, if you tell me your story, I'll tell you mine. And Alex says, the public's not ready for it. I feel betrayed. No, no, no. I feel betrayed. Let's be clear. What Alex said is that Tucker wanted him to tell the story, and Alex felt like he would tell his story if Alex told the poltergeist one. That was not like an

arrangement that they made or something. That was just a feeling that Alex got. Fine. Alex can't, yeah, but Alex's feelings are sent from God. So Alex's feelings are verifiable fact. But there's a really good chance that had things gone slightly differently, Tucker would have wanted Alex to tell the poltergeist story and he might not have told the demon attack story. I mean that's possible if you don't believe that God tells Alex what his feelings should be and they are always true. So that means that Alex went against God's will when God

gave him the feeling that Tucker would tell his story. Well no no no. So in fact Alex is in defiance of God here. Well, no. God gave him an if-then statement, and Alex said... God doesn't give if-then statements. If you do this, then this will happen. You get to choose whether or not you want the conclusion. Fair enough. Fair enough. You know, so Alex actually chose for Tucker to reveal this on a Orthodox documentary. Exactly.

He made his own bed exactly. That's what I'm saying That's why Alex says to if you're sent by God You can't have the feeling that this might happen and then not do it. Mm-hmm. God tells you you have to always do the stuff Yeah Now the public's not ready. I Love that argument too because like all the stupid, crazy bullshit that he talks about, like, oh, that the public is ready for,

the public's ready for, all of my enemies are possessed by demons who are secretly trying to sacrifice people to Saturn. All this stuff, oh, they're ready for that, but oh, I saw a ghost one time and it threw me. Like, oh yeah, we're not ready. Yeah. Fuck off.

Yeah, no, there's definitely like a oh You know this story is I'm just not ready to tell that bat put your cards on the table Yeah, I bet there's because you're you're trying to give the impression that like this one is so big you have Dreams you dumb. Yeah, that's how big this is you can wrap your head around that you've seen movies This is a different type of movie. I've seen those movies too Yeah, but you haven't so have you clearly but not this but yes, I have seen it There's some good ones you want to talk about the good movies. I'm sorry pulled your guys. Yeah pulled it guys, too

Uh-huh pulled against three guys. I'm sorry. Yep So I was noticing that this video where Alex is talking in his car was substantially longer than just the part where he was talking In his car. Oh god, and that's because he added on a little bit at the end. Oh for God's sake All right There's so much huge news going on that I'm not out partying on Halloween night In fact, we're shooting this at about you know, 920. We're gonna upload this to X real locks shows incredible stuff I just broke down about Tucker Carlson now that he talks talks about it I can tell you the rest of the story Tomorrow, but that said let me tell you the rest story about this

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Passed the change of law a decade ago. Cool. The brass knuckles are good, you know, guard here for your hand, and you got the double-edged dagger. So for real defense, this is what you need right here. And I know Swallow's Well says they take out with a terry and everything. This isn't for that. This is just a collectible that an AR-15 won't take down

an F-15. Oh, I know. No, no, this gets you the AR-15 and then the AR-15 gets you everything else you want. But we're not calling for that. Okay, weird knife commercial that has broken out at the end of this video. Swords. Uh-huh. Well, no, but I like this because he's talking about Eric Swalwell and he's like, you know, an AR-15 won't take down an F-15. Sure.

Alex is like, we're not even talking about that, but also this knife, you can use this to get a gun Yeah, and then that gun will get you everything else. You give a mouse a cookie Now we've now we've begun the the avalanche of fun. That's about to I'm not legally allowed to sell you a gun, right? So I would if I could but I can't so I'm gonna sell you this knife that you can use later to get a gun I'm gonna sell you a gun Acquisition device. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I like that. I would call that, let's change the knife to GAD. It's called a gun

acquisition device. And it's totally legal. I mean hand protector. Why would anybody outlaw something called a skull crusher? Right. Could it not do other things? We have nuts that need crushing as well, do we not? Right. So I thought that's fun. This is good stuff. That's great. And the knife commercial ends with a very strange tone. I want to thank all of the dead support, but if you want the 1776 Devastator, it deserves that name, it devastates tyranny.

We're just buying it funds the devastation of tyranny in the info war. And 90% of wars information war. But, you know, it's it's it's a nice conversation piece. You can't get more politically incorrect than this except maybe 1000 horsepower. Dodge Hellcat. So, or having 11 kids like Elon Musk has done One of the sperm bank on the side to make sure you populate here. All right, so what is happening? We love you, Elon Real AlexJones.com RealAlexJones.com Please go there. We love you. So Alex did a video in his car where he's clearly mad that Tucker didn't share his story about being attacked by a demon with him.

So he recorded this and then he tacked on at the end a weird knife commercial that ends with him plugging Elon Musk's jizz. Yep. What is happening? I-I- Fine. Fine. Everybody can have it. That's fine. If everybody wants this, that's the life that they chose. You choose it. I honestly think like this is so much more bizarre than 2015. I like Alex's content promoting Trump in the lead-up to 2015. This is so much more absurd and I

Just don't even I don't know how to deal with it. I mean I I Want to go back in time to at any point in my life where I said I wonder if there's a bottom and I would just want to viciously beat the shit out of myself. Well, it would be interesting. Forever even asking the question. It would be interesting to like eight years ago, you know, ask yourself, do you think there will come a time where Alex is subtly promoting Elon Musk's sperm. And you'd probably say no. Well, I mean, you know. On the eve of an election.

At least now that I've seen us now, I can tell that we've decided to do different things than the things that got us here, which means we definitely won't be in either the same or worse places as the future goes on. Everybody's changed there. Everybody's doing different stuff, right? Sure. Yeah. So, um, Alex recorded this and then he got into studio and was like, Oh, that's right. I was going to talk about this. So he, he deals with the issue a little bit more the next day on, on the show. Okay. And there's a lot more to the story that he came out and told yesterday that he told me. And I's a lot more to the story that he came out and told yesterday

that he told me and I didn't get around to calling him yesterday to get permission to tell it. You don't tell people. So when JD Vance said, yeah, no, I've got the VP, I'm gonna be the VP. Like really? That's great. I didn't say I'm allowed to say that. He just knew, I guess I wouldn't. So he told me, but it's like this weird unwritten thing. He told me more of it. And like I said, my wife was right there. His family was there. His wife, crew, Lexi and all those folks. But I was sitting over by the head of the table with him.

And I just said, hmm. Me and he was like, what do you think that's connected to and I sat there for a minute and I said Did somebody do a ritual or lay their hands on you or somewhere said that they Because I know how this stuff works and I was saying Christians were doing and I was picking up this was demonic but if someone asked permission to were doing and I was picking up this was demonic. Someone asked permission to. Pray for your bless you, but it was an unorthodox way he went whoa, he's home and he came back to us later goes. I haven't

told my wife this this happened a year ago and he told her about the attack but but but but but not. But he just last week. Clicked. And he said just days ago on flying back here this clicked I was looking at old photos from year ago right before this happened. And that this happened he goes how the hell did you just say

and I will let's go further. What type of room to they bring you and goes well they did bring me in room, How do you know that? I go, well, and I said, and they told me who it was. And you're at somebody's house and they're really nice and you're about to leave. Oh, one more thing. One more thing. How often is Tucker going over to people's houses where they lead him into a room to

do a ritual that this didn't immediately click for him. Let's imagine a scenario where you get attacked by a demon in the night. If you're somebody seriously concerned about that, maybe you thought it was a demon. Do you think that maybe you would assume it had something to do with the occult ritual you were a part of just a little bit before that? I feel like this is such an easy case to solve. This is so stupid. And I need Alex to name names

He says that he knows the person whose house this was at he knows someone who's putting fucking demons into major media figures And he's withholding that information from the public and that's just an act of aiding and abetting the demon There's no other way to describe purveyor. Yep. This is so stupid. I Want to fight I want to fight. I don't know. I don't know who I want to fight I just want to fight. Yeah that this is happening at all Makes me want to We're back at the beginning. I'm an ape. Yeah, I'm an ape. That is how I feel right now. Everything has come full 2016 all over again, so we might as well.

I'm just a goddamn monkey is what I feel like right now. So I hear Alex telling this story in the studio, and I can't not feel like what I'm hearing is someone describing someone else fucking with them. You're about to leave. Oh, one more thing. My wife would like to pray for you. And these folks aren't like saying they're Christians. Like really? What kind of... Well, she just wants to... pray for you.

Okay. This is, you know... Tell her what, even sure God was real at that point. He did not believe in God, but he said that. And... then I start describing I said let me guess this looked like a little bit unorthodox it was a little special room he got running and he started telling me and I and I was describing the kind of things I would imagine would be in there not even for research though there's a lot of that it was. I was getting a download at this moment.

I was, I can't do this all the time. It's not me, it's God working through me. And I described it, and that's why he says I'm the most exceptional person he's ever met because I said he'd be fired within a month. He was fired 29 days after I said that. That just came to me. So Alex didn't say that Tucker was going to get fired thanks to a download from God. He has a clip with it.

He plays or he predicts the Tucker won't be at Fox News in the near future, but it's selectively edited to hide the context that he was saying the Tucker was going to quit because he's bigger than Fox. This is the same manipulation game he plays with pretty much all of his predictions. If I were just a friend at a bar listening to Alex tell me this story, I would be pretty suspicious that he's telling me a story of about a time that he didn't realize that Tucker was fucking with him. It's almost like Tucker was fishing for details to flesh out his scary demon attack story,

and Alex was just riffing about a bunch of stuff that he remembers seeing in horror movies. And what do you know, everything that Alex says is right on the mark! That's not because Tucker was going to just accept anything that alex said it's because carl was giving alex a download at the time This makes sense Yeah, I can't imagine Somebody who's a professional con man at heart Having alex tell them stuff and now going like I having Alex tell them stuff and now going like I

Should try and steal his watch too. I should try what what can't I take from this human being? Yeah, right and you see you can see what he really stole He stole Alex's dignity and that's why he's told this story to an orthodox guy in the middle of nowhere Well, there's a part of me that gets the sense that Part of me that gets the sense that this is something that is pushing the conversation in the direction that Tucker largely and the people in his orbit want the conversation to go in. Which is there's like this war with demons and supernatural forces and all this shit. I think that if Tucker had his way, he would not be the person who was attacked by a demon.

Because that's funny. And all of this stuff is embarrassing and he would rather not be the focal point of this. I think that when Alex was on his show, he would have preferred that Alex tell the story about being attacked by a poltergeist. So all of this stuff could be folded into the Alex Jones is the prophet wild man mythos that you have going over here and Tucker could keep himself slightly separated from it.

But Alex didn't come out and tell this story. And so Tucker kind of just has to be it himself. I think that's maybe a little bit of what's going on in the background here. Maybe, maybe. I mean, I could see I could see Tucker wanting to step out I could see time to become the the religious idol that he's he's trying to to create So why not be it also it's possible. I think that a better Organization of everything has those two roles separate sure he's more of a Like the prophet type someone who's spreading the word or whatever

And maybe has seen some stuff, but doesn't you know I have not been touched by or whatever Whereas Alex is already like everyone already thinks he's crazy. No like Yeah, you're using Alex as a shield I get that yeah, but I mean You know this has shield also gets to be called the most extraordinary man in the world. And if you got a giant ass ego, then maybe you want to be the most extraordinary man in the history of the world, you know? Maybe.

I don't think it works with the rest of Tucker's brand. I agree, but this would not be the first time that an overloaded, egotistical, tiny little boy has decided to do the dumb thing because it makes him feel better. Yeah, that's true. So Alex pretends that he's been very discreet about this. Sure. He is not. I didn't tell those stories, not because I thought would be discrediting, but because it would be a distraction. And Tucker says, you know, and he's been doing it, he's all about the truth and just getting everything out there. And so he's had the courage to tell what happened to him. So that was inspiring. When I was about 11 years old, and he told me one other event that happened when he was a kid, but it wasn't a demonic attack.

He saw like an apparition. But I'm not going to tell his private stories. He can tell that if he wants to. And if you remember, the crew found like one version where I barely mentioned it. I did a whole like 30 minutes on this. We haven't found it yet. Right after I came back from Tucker's, if I didn't say its name. And I said a lot of prominent people are being demonically attacked

because it wasn't just about Tucker. So I love that Alex is trying to pretend that he never talked about this or that he wasn't very obvious about repeating Tucker's personal story on air, but has to concede that he did tell the story without using Tucker's name just after returning from Tucker's show. No one could possibly put those two pieces together. It's, it's... It would require a level of deductive reasoning that I don't think is I think I just don't think people are ready to see what

it can do. Simultaneously Alex is revealing other presumably private things that Tucker told him like how he saw a ghost outside his house as a kid. On this show Alex has already said that he didn't call Tucker to get permission to tell more of those stories. He's on thin ice from a privacy standpoint. I love this. I'm not going to tell his personal stories. You just did. You just said he saw a ghost outside his house.

100%. This is like the real housewives level of weird back and forth thing in implication. Yeah. But see, this is where it's like really juicy though, because it's like, I think that Tucker fucked it But now I think Alex is being out of line by telling the story about Tucker seeing a ghost I mean both bad it is it is the danger of company if you will

So let's get to Alex's story about the poltergeist. Okay. I don't know if you're ready for this. Okay Well, I'll just tell you my personal story I don't know if you're ready for this. Okay. Well, I'll just tell you my personal story. Every few weeks I go see a movie with my dad, usually sometimes with my mom and dad, but she didn't want to watch adventure movies and military movies.

And so Rambo 3 was out, I was 11 years old, it's one where he's in Afghanistan or whatever. And I'll never forget it, because this has just happened when we went to see it. And my dad's in the car. And I said, yeah, so I'm you know, this is just happen when we went to see it and my dad's in the car and I said yeah, it was we're gonna the car to leave the house to You know drive the movie theater and I said dad. I'm thirsty. I want to drink He was okay. So I get out of the car

it's like one o'clock in the afternoon or whatever was the afternoon sunny summer day and I remember I've been at the local, neighborhood pool swimming a bunch before that, came home, took a shower. And me, I never heard voices, never seen a ghost. I mean, it's like I'm schizophrenic, totally not on drugs, totally healthy sports kid. And I walked to the front door

and then walked by the living room and the stairs to the upstairs and I go into the kitchen to get a Gatorade. I still remember like it was happening now and there's no water on the floor. I didn't slip any of that. And I go to get the Gatorade and then I get snatched and thrown all the way to the ceiling. And then I crashed down and I'm like, what's this? And it's like, Oh, what's that movie with a ghost or whatever? We're like trying to get people's attention and knocking stuff over and

knocking them down or whatever. So I stand back up and I'm like, what the hell's that movie with the guns? Bam, my legs are knocked out from under me and I get shoved up against the wall and the microwave. Wow. That's quite an attack. So now there's a little bit of a problem. Alex said that he went to Rambo three when he was 11.

Alex was born in 1974. Rambo three came out in May 1988. He was 14 when Rambo 3 came out in May 1988. He was 14 when Rambo 3 came out. And Rambo 3 is the one about the Afghanistan. So he's got the... He's got that right. Of all the details to be correct about. He's three years too young in the story that he's telling.

Sure. Now maybe he met Rambo 2 which came out in 1985 which would be the right year sure have been 11 then but he didn't remember the specifics of the movie which Rambo 3 which in all honesty I trust him to remember the specifics of what movies he has seen and when far more than literally anything else he has ever said mm-hmm I don't remember exactly what was Rambo 2 about if that one was in Afghanistan or no it's in Thailand. So anyway I think he's full of shit but wild fun so you got thrown up into the air by this ghost yeah ghost guy this

angry ghost. You know like if I'm gonna hear about somebody's ghost stories or dreams then have somebody fucking in it You know if you're gonna tell me oh, here's what dream I had fine tell give a throw a fuck in there Game of Thrones rules you know oh, there's a ghost also people were fucking see there you go now I'm back in also have a point sure I mean that help it well Dan I don't think you're gonna hear a lot of dreams or ghost stories that will ever have a point. I'm still gonna demand it. Fair enough. Now here's something that I thought was fun.

What? Alex is like 11, right? Sure. So, he's about 10 years older than me. Yeah. And so I was kind of hoping that maybe based on the difference of our birthdays, Ooh. Maybe I was born when his ghost.

That day. Yeah. That very day. Because why not? We've already lived weird enough lives as it is. Why not throw that one on the pile? Or something about, like, I don't know. I had an out-of-body experience when I was a baby,

and that was me attacking him. 100%. Absolutely. Man, there's this baby with a knife named the Skullcr crusher for some reason. I don't know what's going on there. Weird day. Anyways, my ghost story is pretty boring. Got thrown around by a baby. So, uh, Alex's attack continues. And I get up and I go out to the car and get in the car with my dad,

get in the Bronco with him Brown Broncos I remember like it was yesterday and He's like are you okay? And I'm like, yeah my shoulder hurts so we get to the theater get the milk duds and Popcorn and about halfway through I say dad. I've I'm in excruciating pain now my shoulders hurt and I'm in excruciating pain now, my shoulders hurt. And he owned with a couple of partners a hospital. It wasn't a clinic, they had surgeries there, but it was a little hospital there in Rowlett.

That was Mesquite, he owned a couple of them. And he goes, well, let's go over here, Dr. Whatever's there. And we go and my shoulder's dislocated and the doctor gets in there and- I could stab him in the throat right now. Asking permission to try it he shoves 100% hurt like hell but boy it felt 95% better after that shoves my right shoulder back

in the socket and I go home and I never even told my dad that story I never told anybody I think I halfway mentioned it like oh I know poltergeist us real or whatever to call it you know disruptive spirit whatever those they smash things break things throw people around call whatever you want that happened to me and I mean was it an alien with a predator suit on it was invisible I don't know know, but something. I mean it was surreal like your throne. To the ceiling in that kitchen and really high ceilings but boom

only 9 foot ceilings. Slam down your back. Get up bam knocks you back down again. And then shoves you up against the wall like like you see that movie with the ghost of the demon grab people and slams them on walls and slams up against stuff and What is that? It's yeah, it's like you see in movies because it's what's in movies. What is that? Could be anything movies could be anything could be a dream Could be something you fucking made up and have convinced yourself

is real. Well, here's, here's, here's the part of it that I have real trouble with in the same way that like, I don't believe that Tucker could possibly be injured to this level and not go to the hospital, not have his wife be terrified, not have the height of the ceilings. What height nine foot ceilings would they be in this story or I don't know I don't care about that what I care about is he went to the movie with his dad like he's saying I never told my dad this story your dad's in the fucking story yep your dad lived this he took you to a clinic and had you relocate your shoulder yep he didn't want an explanation for, hey son, how the hell did that happen? I tripped. Alex got the ship beat out of him by a ghost, and then he just came back to the car, and his dad wasn't, he didn't notice.

Like Alex wasn't crying or in serious pain or something. He didn't notice any difference in him. This seems very difficult for me to believe. He was probably telling him the details of his friend and how he got the clinic and whether you know it wasn't that kind of clinic and man I just hate this fucking story so much. I just hate it so much it's filled with all the things that I hate about bad stories. I find it difficult to believe in terms of human stuff in the same way as Tucker's story. Yeah. But it's fun. No, it's not. It is not fun.

It's fun enough. If it was fun, then he wouldn't need all the bullshit details in there. Let me rephrase. It's fun when it's in movies. Fair enough. And that's probably why Alex is telling the story. That is almost certainly why. So I noticed something that was different in the way that Alex told the story of Tucker

and the way Tucker told it. And Tucker described more to me than he did in the show, but just the darkness coming at him. And that's recorded in all the history books, all the ancient cultures, same crap. The Japanese reported it, the Norse reported it, the Chinese, the Africans, the Mesoamericans, every culture describes the same thing. So you can say whatever you want about it, whatever it is, whatever's going on. But I think it's really important to talk about that if it happened and it did. So this is not like more details. This is a contradiction of what Tucker said in the documentary clip.

He was asleep when he was attacked and didn't even know he had claw marks on him until he wandered around the house a little bit. Alex's version of the story that Tucker told him is different. He said that a darkness came at him. Like, there's contradictions here. I don't really care. They're both liars. So like, I don't care who's telling the truth here.

It's just notable that there's like real distinct issues the story is to whomever is hearing the story right in the unrelated to whomever else may have heard the story in the past well it's like the orthodox priest said you know the conversion to orthodoxy is not a 2 plus 2 equals 4 thing it's an experience thing just gonna tell you a story the truth of this demon attack is the way it makes you feel. Well, enter you out. Are you in on demons or no? So on Twitter, people were responding to this. Uh-huh.

And they were having a little bit of an argument about whether or not this was a poltergeist or a demon. Sure. That attack, Tucker. Sure. There's a lot of sticklers for semantics. And if you study that in all cultures, they say the most common thing, in fact, 90 plus percent of it, if you look up a poltergeist and that's kind of the german term for it christians like myself so that's a demon but

the point is a debate broke out on my ex is it a demon is it a poltergeist it's not nice and it hits and runs and it mainly targets people going into puberty or adolescence and the energy and whatever's coming off of that. That's why the, you know, the Satanists and demons that they're working with want kids killed. And that's why they'd sacrifice virgins in every ancient culture, you know. And then that's why in poltergeist it comes after the little girl. Based on true story out of New York. Didn't happen out in So that happened, that went on. I've not had other experiences like that. Okay, so he thinks Poltergeist is a true story.

That's fun. Yep. And then who gives a shit about the difference? That's just fun. But also was Tucker going through puberty a year and a half ago. I mean Probably if you listen to his voice he still hasn't gone through puberty god damn it I don't understand how any of these guns connect to each other way fish laugh. Yeah So these people disgust me so you hear there at the end there that Alex is like I've not had any other Experiences sure which I think he immediately remembers like oh wait. I'm a prophet and I see the future

Yeah, so he has to like sort of save the ship here. I've not had other experiences Like that. I just would have dreams that came true sometimes inconsequential something's very serious And then I learned to pay attention to those type of dreams serious. And then I learned to pay attention to those type of dreams. I would wake up nauseous and like really feeling sick when I would have one of those dreams. Like it like it'd been some big event. I mean, I guess seeing into the future, whatever that is, is stressful. And that's happened quite a few times. I love this just this mentality of like, yes, I have this poltergeist attack one time, but that's really about it, except for the extensive history of seeing the future that I have had.

The ways that God has given me visions, I have been hand selected by the deity to fight the devil, I constantly run into demons in my day to day life, people at the grocery store turn into demons in front of me. Naturally. Yeah, but other than that, I mean not much. Just that one poltergeist really. It's a testament, it's a testament to how mundane any job can become

You know you're you're like. Oh my job is the chosen one by God ah What's this same shit as the rest of the days right, but whoa a poltergeist? That's new you're telling this one story that you want to be special, but as you're telling it you realize like oh basically live in magic yeah fuck yeah it would be impressive if I hadn't already claimed to be in control of some spiritual energies myself right to the point that one might suspect whether or not I could have put up a defense against a poltergeist on our last fucking episode Alex said he's been to heaven there you go That one's what's continuity for if not for making this poltergeist story fucking stupid

So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex trying to ground all of this in science good what no There's a lot going on our universe and let's be clear To ancients they call it spiritual, but the mathematics, what ancients, who are these experiments and all of those have been in thousands of times. When you're observing a molecule, it can go through a block of lead. But when you're not observing it, it doesn't do it or vice versa. The point is that our that's your pitch.

Observation of reality is affecting it, even though you cannot track with any machine, the energy that supposedly is doing that. But we now know with dark matter theory and all of that, that there is all of this other matter that's even more intense and more energetic than the, than the dimension we're in. So this is a guy who clearly understands the concepts that he's throwing around, not just using buzzwords in order to sort of justify and make it sound smart that he's talking about demon attacks and poltergeists. This is so dumb.

You know what? I find it fascinating in a very literal way. I find it fascinating that people believe that dark matter theory is like a thing instead of just being like, we have no other way to describe matter that does not get touched by light. Calling it dark matter is the least interesting thing to describe it as. It is not dark energy. It's just because it doesn't interact with light. It is a descriptive term. It doesn't mean anything. It's a meaning. It's not a name for something. It is a right. It could be a million things. It could be zero things. Right. It could be anything.

But how do you like the description of the observer effect? That one's great. So molecules can go through lead if you're looking, but not if you're not looking. Or vice versa. Or the other way around. Vice versa. Who knows? Who knows which is it gonna be?

Is it am I invisible when my eyes are closed, or is it that I am visible when my eyes are open? That's, I mean, the ancients have wondered about that for millennia. How dare anyone in 2024 be like the ancients stop your sentence there Why? The ancient the ancient those ancients which ones the ancient ones Shit, I don't know people back in the 70s

As Tex what does that mean from when the Incans from when? When these things are a long time right, but they all had the same idea that had been proven by mathematics Yes, they did and they also demons much like Tucker that actually Tucker is the present-day Ancients I do believe that the ancients have been reincarnated into a whiny little baby named Tucker Carlson, so this is how We leave things off before the election. I feel like it was sort of a palate cleanser, a little bit. But also like, you could not be more mad. I think it's great because it reminds you of the stakes of the election and how seriously everyone's taking it.

Yeah, these people are very, they're taking it very, very seriously. That's what it's, that's what keeps me, that's what keeps me going. You know, how serious these things are and how I'm expected to take them so seriously. And as a reminder, I went down this road because I'm bored with how un-seriously Alex is taking the election. Yep. So we listen to Tucker talk about spankings and being attacked by a demon.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. We'll see you on the other side. You bet. So we'll be back. But until then we will. TvDew at knowledgefight.com. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am a mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.