Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 227: The Hillside Stranglers Part III - You Can Call Me Steve

Episode Date: June 11, 2016

The story of the Hillside Stranglers story comes to an end with Ken Bianchi in the spotlight, from his bungled final murders to the strange tale of hypnosis and fakery that followed.

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This is the last talk. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Okay, there we go. I'm back in business. Nike shoes. Nike shoes are the best shoes.

I did like our color conversation, though. Green is my favorite color because I think it's ugly. Which is very sad. And you like brown, Marcus, because you like dirt. Dirt! That's what you like. You like anything model, like the underneath of the boot. All right, my favorite color as a boy was purple because of Whoopi Goldberg.

From what? I want to say the color purple. Oh, yeah. Isn't that movie about rakes? You know, it wasn't about rakes. You know what I mean? It wasn't like that was... That's not the first word that pops up.

It's a heavy movie for a child. When you go through showtime, it doesn't say in the show description, rape, exclamation point, and then be like, Whoopi Goldberg is part of this wonderful tale of race and family. All right, so there you go, everyone. One little insight into why we have our favorite colors. All right, we got to continue on with the hillside stranglers. We're on to episode three.

Things just get... I mean, it never gets good. I just have to say, things are always kind of bad. Their antics never got funny. No. And you know what? I watch Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, and you watch that and you're like,

those antics are just charming. I love to see them abscond with the ladies and with the bank teller's money. But the hillside stranglers are just bastards. Yeah. Yeah, there's no Sundance Kid to lighten the mood. But if they were just a little bit more handsome. Like the guy that did...

The guy that was the rapist that had the mugshot that came out that they said the world's hottest felon, and then he got released from jail. He was a burglar. And now he's got a modeling contract in Los Angeles, California. Yeah, he wasn't a burglar or he wasn't a rapist. He was a burglar. Burglar's the first step towards rapists.

Okay, whatever. What did we learn? I am confirmed big and tall Kmart model. I did the shoot this Tuesday. I just want to make that clear. Congratulations, Ben. We're all very proud of you. Thank you so much.

Was it you like struggling against a boa constrictor or are you like struggling against two like growing mangrove trees as being like, see the giant face the forest? It was amazing. All the other models were very in shape. And that morning I finished off my Papa John's pizza. Yeah.

So I was a different kind of model. Or right up top, I'd like to make a small correction to the end of the last episode. Now, according to a confidential source of mine, Sean Bianchi is not the real name of Ken Bianchi's son. I won't say it here out of respect for the guy's privacy. I won't tell you his real name. Adrian Brody.

But after checking birth records in California, I discovered that Bianchi's son was actually born nine days after the murder of Cindy Hutzpeth, the last victim of Bianchi and Bono. So that means that Ken was actually present at the birth of his son. Not out killing a woman at Angelo's upholstery shop, as we said at the end of the last episode. Whatever. Wow.

He must have been a really good guy then. Yes. I'm going to say he's father of the year. Father of the year. At any rate, on February 17th, 1978, the hillside strangler murders ended just as abruptly as they began. The partnership would have almost certainly continued indefinitely as we know killers don't stop killing until they're caught,

but Ken's recklessness and his increasing love of publicity caused Bono to cut ties with his cousin completely. Well, after their super rash murder that they did, basically of Bianchi grabbing a woman inside of Bono's upholstery shop and murdering her right there, Bono apparently took a gun out of his office and went, Fuck you. I hate your name. I hate everything about you.

I'm going to say that sort of a Charles Ang meets Deputy Dewey from Scream. He is. That's how I would describe Bono. So, Bono was the brains behind the operation. He was the one who kept Ken's enthusiasm, for lack of a better word, in check, making sure he never took too many risks and the impromptu murder at Bono's upholstery shop told Angelo that Ken was not someone that he could work with anymore. Well, he was like the brains kind of like,

he reminds me of Iago the Parrot from Aladdin. Oh, yes. And that Bianchi was sort of like one of the hyenas from the Lion King. Bringing back Whoopi Goldberg on that one. Whoopi Goldberg's got a lot to do with this case, the color purple. That's right. So, he's sort of the head coach behind the whole thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the one that keeps Dennis Rodman and Scotty Pippen from choking each other.

Oh, wow. Not seen. God, that's sexy. Yeah, it was kind of sexy. Now, even though it might have been a smarter idea to keep Ken close where Bono could keep an eye on him, Angelo disliked Ken so much and wanted him out of his life so much that he convinced Bianchi to leave Los Angeles and join his wife Kelly in Bellingham, Washington, where she had recently moved wanting to escape the seedy streets of Los Angeles.

Bellingham, Washington does sound like the place where every house comes with its own butler. Yes. It sounds like a very wealthy place, which means it's probably extremely poor. Again. Man, would you like some eggs? They won't let me leave. It's a town of about like 400,000 in rural Washington. Oh. Washington, yeah, we all think Seattle's super hip.

Now, Washington and Oregon just full of rednecks. Very full. After you get out of the cities. Mountain people. Yeah, rednecks, white supremacists. Go see Green Room for an actual good representation of what happens out in the wilds of Washington and Oregon. I thought Kelly moved to Washington because she just didn't know what to do with that tall salad and those scrambled eggs.

Love Frasier. That was the other big move to Seattle. We did this before, but I like getting into the Frasier joke of this episode. Yes. This actually true. The dog from Frasier made $100,000 an episode. The dog itself? Yes.

How did it fill out its W2? No idea. It was a nightmare for accounting. No. As far as we know, Bono never killed again after Kim Bianchi left town. And it is actually very likely that Bono never killed anyone. It seems as if this murder spree with Ken was almost just a lark to Angelo. Just another way to explore his sadistic urges without having to take the last step.

Necessary to get away with the kind of no holds bar brutality that these two participated in. Yeah. I mean, now that all the killing is done, what I really decided to get into is something that kind of been a passenger mind for a really long time getting into the saxophone. Oh. That you're going to start building your own battle bot. Which would be a very good idea. I like the wedge ones because they're impossible to knock over.

That's a good point. Whoever made the ladybug one was ridiculous, by the way. I mean, if you do that sort of brutality, if you do that sort of kidnap and torture, you have to kill the victim. Yes. That's something you have to do. You cannot leave a living witness. You cannot leave a living witness and Bono couldn't do it.

He was not a killer. He was a fucking monster, but I don't think he was a killer. Jennifer was the killer. But he just kind of went back to his roots. And also, we see the trends in psychopathy, right, where he was bored by the process after a while. Yeah. He completely lost interest.

But Ken, he turned his life around completely upon reuniting with his wife and son in Bellingham. And for 11 months, Ken held a job at the Coastal Security Agency as a security guard where his bosses and the customers loved him and made him the most requested member of the crew. But I have some other information that says that Kenny, during that time, was doing a little dabbling back into shady shit. He was allowing himself to build back up, which is allowed these murders to happen again, was that he started offering photography sessions for models. And he said that he wanted to do nude shots of women.

And then there was another woman who reported that he asked her if he could be her pimp. So he was a security guard slash fashion photographer? Yeah. I say fashion photographer. Fashion photographer? Because that's what it is. It's F-O-A-F-A-U-X-S-H-I-O-U-N, a fashion. Yeah.

I will say that does make you a serial killer. Yes. A fashion photographer? Being a security guard slash fashion photographer? Yeah. No, you're a serial killer. Yes. But his supposed good behavior would not last long.

On January 11th, 1979, Bianchi would commit a crime that would shock the small town of Bellingham, Washington and bring the case of the hillside stranglers to a close. And where was Niles during all of this? He would have had something funny and nerdy and gay to say. Biting, cutting. Yeah. He wasn't gay. Well, he was.

He was. Don't tell me that. Karen Mandick, a 22-year-old student, knew and had made friends with Kim Bianchi during his time as a security guard at the department store where Karen worked. And as far as she knew, he was friendly, popular, and a doting, loving father. He talked about his kid constantly. That's what everyone said about him, is that he was a doting father, that he loved his son. It's a great cover for a serial killer.

It's an amazing cover for a serial killer. We saw the same thing with BTK. Of course, everyone hated him out on his dog catcher runs. But back home, like we actually know somebody who knew Dennis Raider. She was friends with one of Dennis Raider's daughters and said that, yeah, he was out and about. He was always the fun guy at the barbecue. But he was the guy whose job it was to strangle dogs.

Yeah, a terrible person. Yeah, he's the worst, but he had a great cover. That's why I don't trust any of these helicopter parents you see all around Greenpoint. Yeah. Disgusting. Blech. Now, Kim got ahold of Karen and told her that he'd gotten a job repairing an alarm system at a house outside of town.

And he wanted to see if she wanted to help out on the job. She would house it while he took the alarm away to be repaired. Normal, normal job. Fairly normal job. Yeah, all you got to do is you sit there, keep an eye on things. I mean, anybody could have done it. Anybody else besides this random woman that you met that you constantly tell her what a loving father you are and probably insinuate that you kind of want to take her out on a

date. But you know, but she kind of laughs it off a little bit thinking he's just a goofy dad. You know, he's just a goofy dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In exchange for that, Kim would pay her $200. Wow. Almost $400 in today's money. And the only stipulation that Kim had was that Karen was not to tell a single soul where

she was going or what she was doing. Interesting. Yeah, seems kind of like a warning sign. Seems like a thing where a guy says, don't you fucking kill anybody where you are, what you doing here? Okay, I'm going to go, oh, I got to get a baba to my son. He's just the cutie, Patu. Yeah.

Karen, just a little bit suspicious, asked if she could bring her friend, Diane Wilder along. Kim agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Diane. Yeah. What'd she look like?

Not that I mean anything to me, but it's like, what's she fucking looking like? Okay. Disturbing, Henry. Disturbing. And he told them to meet him outside the house later that night. Around seven o'clock, Karen and Diane pulled up to the darkened house where Ken came out to meet him. Now, Karen went in with Ken first, where she, as she was walking down the steps to the basement,

was strangled from behind by Bianchi and Ken returned and led Diane inside where she met the same fate. You just never want your last moments to be scared walking down a flight of stairs going, Karen, Karen, are you here? Karen. Yeah. It is a nightmare situation. I just call the cops.

I always go, boop, boop, boop, first thing. And then even if, even if Kissel's just asleep next to the refrigerator, I know that he's safe down in the, down to the basement when I go down there. Always make sure if you're walking in front of somebody that the person behind you has their shoelaces in their shoe. Yes. Always check their shoes. Where are the laces?

Scream at their shoes. If you're going in a man, if you're going with a man alone in a building, you don't know where you're going or what you're doing and you got to follow him down a bunch of steps down to a basement. Just turn around and be like, shut up. Shut up. Jump in the shoes. Now, after he killed him, Ken loaded the two bodies back into Karen's car, drove it

to a cul-de-sac, wiped the car clean of his fingerprints and walked back to his truck. But Ken, without the supervision of his mentor, Angelo Bono, left a trail of clues behind that would get him arrested less than 24 hours later. He learned nothing. He learned absolutely nothing. Now, first of all, Karen had not kept her promise to not tell anyone where she was going that night. She let her boyfriend know where she was heading and who she was going to meet.

Furthermore, Ken had also called up the woman next door to the murder scene and told her to not go anywhere near the house that night as armed guards were patrolling the scene. Of course, the nosy neighbor noticed Karen's car that night and called police when an APB ran out with the description of Karen's green mercury bobcat. I just feel like if I was the boyfriend of this woman, Karen, I would have grown a five-o-clock shadow, picked up a smoking habit, and immediately become a detective in an old mobile. Absolutely. I would have just followed the car.

Just calling the streets. Yeah. Where you going? Huh. That's just funny. And hang out by, like, phone booths. Yeah. For some reason, it's only raining above you.

Now, the police, working with Ken's boss, who was in a complete and total state of disbelief that Ken could be involved in anything, anything criminal, much less murder. They arrested Ken later that afternoon. And Ken put on such a good show that even the arresting officer was convinced that the real killer had used Ken's name as an alias. They put together a really interesting case. Moa, his boss at that job, really pieced this together, because when they showed up at Bianchi's house, they asked him, basically, they want to know his whereabouts of where

the hell he was during the time when these women disappeared, and he said he was at a sheriff's recruitment center meeting, some weird police meeting. Sheriff's reserve meeting. Yes. And so he went, and he was like, so Moa's just like, you know what, a lot of things are not working out with this guy, because at this point, he was well-loved at the security center. He was a loudmouth, and he was always talking up shop, and he was always like, he would

introduce himself as a rank that did not exist. All the time, he'd call himself captain, and so like all of the shit. Captain of the security team. Yes. That's what the guy at my bodega calls me, eh, what's up, captain? That's strange. I think he thinks you're a police officer. He might.

So Moa put together his little colonels, being like, I think there's something fishy about what Kenny's talking about. So he called the sheriff's reserves and asked if Kenny showed up to that meeting, and he didn't. So they were like, what are you going to do? And so now they're piecing things together, the cops call Moa and being like, we need to bring him in, but we think he may be like a dangerous guy. If he committed these crimes, he's very, very dangerous.

And so Moa faked a call to Kenny and said, hey, you have to go over and check out the security desk that is unmanned. It's on this like remote part of this parking lot. And so Kenny went out there to check it, and a cop was there with his gun out, and they arrested him. And then Kelly was, of course, called in for questioning as well, and having no idea whatsoever of her husband's duplicitous nature, gave police the go ahead to search their house, a fatal mistake for Ken on Kelly's part.

First of all, cops found a cache of expensive telephones, which Ken had stolen from houses. And although he did have other stolen objects, the vast majority was expensive telephones. Well, I mean, you never know when you got to make a call. That's good. I mean, I guess so. Yeah, but you can, of course, but all you need is one phone. Yeah. You don't need eight backup phones.

Now, I actually do have to say I can see being in a situation where you are stressed, and you say, I'm going to the telephone room, do not bother me for 30 minutes. I never interrupt Kenny when he's in the telephone room. None of the phones are connected to any sort of wires. But yet he's always having conversations with somebody. But he also had a cabinet full of canned crab meat. That's also true. Oh, man.

They said they opened up a cabinet and a cop got hit with a fucking pile of cans of crab meat. Damn it. This is where one of those times in my life where I just feel like, why do I, both of those things, I kind of like. But I could see Kelly at one point making some sort of crab dip. And sitting around me like, I am out of crab meat. I really need to go to the store.

I mean, while Kenny's sitting there like knowing he has a whole cabinet of crab meat, but not telling her just being like, yeah, maybe we should step out to the store or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But while you're out there, give me a couple of mangoes. Yeah. Maybe some more crab meat. Now as far as the crime itself went, police also found a scarf belonging to Diane Welder in Bianchi's apartment.

And when police searched the murder scene, a single pubic hair belonging to Kim Bianchi was found on the stairs, conclusively linking him to the crime. Now they were really looking for pubic hair. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's what you got to do. See, my house, they're everywhere. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you do seem like a puby dude.

I, you know, I do what I got to do. I maintain. I've learned to maintain. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you have to. You're a hairy guy. But they get rascally. And then the thing is that with between my back hair and my pubic hair, I don't know

what hairs are what. The thing is that my back hair and my pubic hair are both going to come out if I'm in a struggle. Yeah. I feel like they connect sort of like a person wearing a onesie. I now officially, this, this is probably inappropriate to say, but the hair now can grow from my beard to my chest hair and from my back hair to my head hair. I am legitimately, I have maybe two inches of body that are uncovered with hair.

You were becoming like Stephen King was in that horror short where it became a bush. I think it was a dark side or something. See, I'm the exact opposite. I only have like two square inches of my body that actually has hair on it. All right. So now that we've covered that like a seal, they found a pub, you say, now there are a couple of different interpretations concerning the motivations behind the Bellingham murders. It could be that the motivation was just as simple as Ken not being able to keep his murderous

impulses under control after 11 months of not killing. But another way of looking at it is that Ken may have committed the murders as a way to impress Angelo Bono or to prove to Bono or to prove to himself that he could commit and get away with murder just fine without his cousin. When the police chief of Bellingham examined the bodies of the two young women, the hillside strangler murders were the first thing to pop into his mind. See the chief was friends with the father of one of the victims of the hillside stranglers back in Los Angeles.

So the guy was intimate with the details of the case. So investigators through interviews with Kelly Boyd began digging into Ken's past. And not only had Ken lived at the Tamarind apartment buildings at the same time the call girl had been murdered there, Kelly also told them that because they didn't have a phone at their apartment, Ken often made and took all of his phone calls at the local public library where the call to lure the girl to the vacant apartment was made. So I will say, I know it's 10 murders in, but it does seem like the cops are okay in this situation.

They're actually trying to do some real detective work. I mean, that's, we said that in the last episode, like the cops both in Los Angeles and Bellingham, like they did a hell of a job. They did the best they could with what they had. And they also, they worked across state lines. They worked across different jurisdictions. The cops actually did, this is one of those cases where the cops actually did do a pretty good job.

John Key did a good job of, I mean, did a horrible job of covering up their tracks as well. But that's how good the police work was is that they took all of these little pieces of information and kept them together. That's where a task force really works. When you have like the walls of information, like you see in a true crime show nowadays where you see like all the fucking yarn across different maps, that shit fucking just nabbed them real good.

Yeah, yeah. We're not talking about the fucking hot dog squad here. Right. This is an actual like Los Angeles major metropolitan police department that actually knows what they're doing. Police also discovered that Ken had lived on Garfield Avenue where two of the stranglers victims were last seen. And after these revelations, cops searched the Bianchi house further and found a ring

belonging to Yolanda, Washington, which linked Ken conclusively to the hillside strangler murders as well. And this is right here, doesn't have a whole lot to do with the case, but cops also found a pair of underpants and a towel that Ken had been masturbating into for months. They were both hardened and soaked from what was probably dozens, if not hundreds of loads. Wait a second. I know you're arresting me and I know you're keeping me in the cell. I know you're investigating my home right now.

Please tell me you didn't take my jerky cloths. Yeah. Did you take my jerky cloths? I've been working on those. Give me the idea how hard it is to keep our shirt together for nine months of shooting webs into it. Unbelievable. I just feel bad for the detective who has to pick it up for the first time.

What is this? This is a bizarre stuff squirrel. Oh, no. Look at this incredible paper mache project that Bianchi was working on. Be like, what is that? Hmm. It's kind of salty. It's like kind of salt water taffy that's like bleach flavored.

Oh, I know that smell. That smells like my husband. That's fun. Yeah, that's fun. Look at my nose. Yeah. Look at my nose. It's in my eyelashes.

Oh, you're going to want to go to the doctor. You guys ever seen those pictures of like the come boxers or the come box, you know, on the internet where like the guy, there's the guy that jerks off into his boxer shorts for like a year. No. And it's like got like a kind of a pool. No. But it's also like sort of fun to see a little bit.

Absolutely not. Never. I'm with Henry on this one. You guys, you want to? Nope. No. All right. Back.

Can we just get to the subject at hand? No. Even more bizarrely, they also found an old taxidermied rabbit that Ken had used as a sex toy of some kind on the regular. Now, you remember the story of the Velveteen rabbit? Yeah. What happened to it? That he's like, they sometimes love can, that can make you alive.

In this case. Yeah. That Velveteen rabbit lived like one of the Leonard Lake and Charles Ings M girls. So was it, so he used this with a woman? No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

No Kelly, speaking of Kelly. Watching cricket on a black and white fucking television screen, you can't interrupt a man's alone time. You can't judge a man alone time. No, you can't. Speaking of Kelly. She was so what? Nothing.

I just picture him like sitting on a chair in a room, fake answering phones, looking at the stuffed rabbit and be like, I'm coming for ya. I remember it. It's better than him murdering girls. Yeah. Did y'all did that? We wouldn't have to do this podcast about him. That would be a secret shame that only he would know about. It's more horrifying than Gacy's grudge. Kelly, she was starting to realize that Ken was in jail for the long haul.

So she brought up Ken's cancer, and he'd been keeping this cancer thing going. He was, I think, on like maybe year two of the cancer story, but cops soon discovered that there was no record whatsoever of Ken having any kind of cancer, even though he had brought report forms from the hospital to Kelly. Kelly brought these report forms to the cops and like, no, no, no, he has cancer. Look, look, look. He has these forms. The forms say it. I mean, he's gaining weight, and I noticed him at the gym, and he did 50 pull-ups the other day, but these forms says he has it. It must be true.

And what Ken had been doing is he'd been, when he was in the hospital wandering around, he'd been stealing forms and forging his own name on the reports, and when Ken was questioned about this by Kelly, he said he had no memory of any of it. Forms? What? I'm just still very confused that he could walk around the hospital for three hours a day stealing forms and no one kicked him out. Now, he only went in like once every couple weeks, you know, in hospitals. They got face blindness. They don't pay attention.

Yeah, everybody said pre-corps in a hospital. Oh, yeah. And also, and he was Patch Adams-ing it. He was walking around goofing around with the nurses, making the kids laugh. They all thought he was like, laughter is the medicine that heals these children, and that doctor, even isn't a doctor, is a doctor of laughter. All of his balloon animals just looked like knives. Did he stab the girl? Stab the girl? Stab!

The whole amnesia thing, that wasn't the only, that wasn't just the line that he gave to Kelly. When cops started questioning him about the murders in general, because they had ample evidence, both from Bellingham and Los Angeles, Ken even would face with a mountain of evidence denied remembering any of it actually happening. So, after being examined by a forensic psychiatrist, it was recommended that Ken undergo hypnosis. Well, he did, though, he did quickly lawyer up. He very quickly lawyer up. When he got arrested, he had a lawyer there all the time saying,

don't speak, don't talk to these guys, not, no doubt, don't speak. Oh, I love that. But, you lawyerly don't speak. It would be unprofessional for him to sing, don't speak, at a interrogation with a police officer. Yeah, totally. I mean, unless, of course, they want, he wanted to be let go immediately. Great album, great song, tragic. This is my defense attorney, Gwen Stefani. You could tell by her wonderful mid-drift and the troop of Japanese girls she brought with her.

I'm still upset that Gavin Rosdell broke up with her. Tell me about it. Oh, Jesus Christ, listen to page seven for more, for more on Gavin Rosdell and Gwen Stefani, and what is she doing with Blake Shelton? What is she doing with him? Go listen to page seven. Now, the first expert on hypnosis that they called in was Dr. John Watkins, the past president of the Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis,

and the past president of the Hypnosis Division of the American Psychological Association. I can put anyone to sleep when they do anything that I want. I'm the lord of hypnosis. That sounds terrifying. What do you mean, man? A doctor walking around just being like, hmm, you know, it's funny, you want the budget papers in on time? I can make you walk like a chicken any time I like. It'd be great in Vegas.

Now, the first session took place on March 21, 1979. Watkins explained to Ken that he could use hypnosis to maybe fill in some of the gaps in his memory, and Ken was on board 110%. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. And after a brief exploration of Ken's childhood, Dr. Watkins asked to speak to only a part of Ken rather than Ken as a whole. And Dr. Watkins referred to this part as part, asking him, would you talk with me part by saying I'm here?

So Ken slumped down and answered in a deeper, more surly voice saying, I'm not Ken. When the psychiatrist asked him who Ken was, he said, Well, uh, you can call me Steve. Very clever. Yeah. Now, Steve was a demonstrably different character than the mild-mannered Ken Bianchi. He was nasty, short-tempered, and aggressive,

and had an extreme dislike for Ken, who he called an ass. An ass. An ass, he's like, oh, he's an ass, he's soft. And you bite your thumb at me, sir. He's an ass. You guys got any fucking gogurt? I like yogurt, I can squirt directly into my throat unlike Ken, who can't handle a quart of fucking gogurt.

Ken, you Ken, you pussy. Wow. But it wouldn't be long before Steve was confessing to as many hillside strangler murders as he could, implicating Angelo the whole way, with very little prompting. Did he start talking about these murders? Steve said, Ken walked in on his cousin Angelo. Angelo had a girl over, and Ken walked in on the middle of Angelo killing his girl.

Now, who's Angelo? Ah, some turkey, he knows. His cousin, somebody eats somebody, he knows. I don't know him. I'm Steve. You're definitely the dumbest person I've ever put to sleep. Hey, I'm Steve. Steven, please.

Call me Steven. So Steve went on to claim that it was at this point when he walked in on Angelo murdering the girl, that he went from being just in the background of Ken's mind to taking over Ken completely, forcing him to commit murders while the soft-hearted wimpy Ken could only look on in horror. And when asked about the motivations for the murders, Steve said, There was nothing wrong with killing, because it was like getting back at Ken's mother, you hear? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, yeah! Wow.

And he said that when he killed, it felt like he was killing his mother. And when asked why he hated women, Steve said, They hurt. That's it. Okay, Steve is Ken. Steve is Ken. I just don't understand. He's putting on a fake voice and playing Steve.

But Steve it's just such a it's a strange name to choose Steve Steve well We'll find out later why he chose the name Steve. What does it want to name it? He's like his name is it Raven star that you could make up any name and he went with Steve Now listening to what Ken is talking about here You might think that Ken not only had a high level of self-awareness But also an understanding of serial murder long before such a thing was widely studied But the truth of the matter is a combination of factors first Ken had a large collection of psychology books and his own personal library Outlining the exact types of behavior that Ken was exhibiting also

He wanted to be a cop for a long time and he was training to be a cop and he wanted to sound like he knew what he was talking about Two cops so that's because he would hang out with them all the time. How big was this guy's house He's got a phone room a bizarre stuffed rabbit in the 1970s Everyone was given a three-room house just the three bedroom house just off the off the top of the head Yeah, that and the uh, do you feel like I feel by um, what's his name frampton comes alive frampton comes a lot Yeah, yeah, they they issue it in the suburbs with seasons of tide. Yes, that's Wayne's world. Oh, that's it Kind of funny there Yeah

The other thing is that kens lawyer had compiled a report on kens childhood Detailing all those incidents that we talked about in the first episode and ken, of course had gotten his hands on that report prior to the hypnosis sessions so ken pretty much he had a full on Education on the in this stuff before he went in and frank salerno the original investigating detective in the strangler case Was present at this first hypnosis Hypnosis session and wrote one word down in his notebook Bullshit. Oh, that's unfair. If you are a detective though, you're a rational minded person specifically in this case You have to watch this and just be livid. They were I mean the whole time with that steve. No, now you're steve

You're fucking idiot Well, because this whole time he kept saying I don't remember I don't remember I don't remember They said the term that they was he was blowing smoke into the case Where you would say in this shit and then when he came out of steve all of these cops We're just sitting there because it's either it's that the classic thing of like this man is badly faking a multiple personality disorder Right. He is either a moron that needs to be hung in front of everyone Or this man is even sicker and dumber than we even thought he was. Is he too dumb for trials? That's what they have to be concerned about now. Yeah, but I mean the cops saw right through it

But the psychiatrist specifically dr. Walkins. He was like boom multiple personality disorder because that would make his career Exactly, like he sees this story unfolding. He's just like if I can just bring a proper multiple personality disorder into the fold I will be seen as the genius as I am master of the mind. He's like dr. Loomis from halloween. Yes Exactly and these guys were piggybacking on each other because this first that first guy dr. Walkins He could say I used hypnosis to bring this multiple personality out and this next guy Ralph Allison his whole thing was well I can use this he was a multiple personalities expert and he his whole thing was like all right Well, I can use this as an example of how to break down ego states because that's what he told kin when he came in

He was the second part when they're like, all right multiple personalities Let's bring in the multiple personality guy and this guy his name was Ralph Allison. He told kin All right, what we're going to do is we're going to allow you to speak to Steve You and Steve can have a conversation with each other and this is just an incredible acting exercise It sounds like fucking like yeah, he's in the actor studio Yeah, but the problem with that was that he this doctor had to explain to kin multiple personality disorder in Detail so he pretty much gave him an instruction booklet on how to fake multiple personality disorder and with this kin had a

Clear path to an insanity plea. I think we are overusing the term multiple personality disorder There is nothing more generic than an average white dude and now he's just going from kin to Steve There's the same personality. Yeah, it should his name should be like he could have been guana Yeah, yeah, oh child, you know, I killed them girls because I hate them shoes now We have a multiple personality right now. I'm just seeing the same white dude with a different name I suffer for in this in this context. I suffer for multiple personality disorder. What's your other name? Thousands of other names I hate me

Well, that's what they'd said is that they like kin and Steve were caricatures Yeah, there are caricatures of two different personalities that kin was the ultimate good and Steve was the ultimate evil that it was too It was way too clean. It was very very clean And the other problem with kin Doing the the insanity plea if kin pled insanity and was found to be not guilty police had no case against angelo bono whatsoever as the only actual evidence they had that wasn't Circumstantial was the testimony of kim bianchi and if kim bianchi was declared legally insane His entire testimony would be inadmissible and bono would go free

Meanwhile, he's just standing around literally in front of his upholstery shops Flipping his coin with a pack of cigarettes rolled up in his sleeve. It's going like yeah, he's crazy. He doesn't know what he's talking about I've never done any of that and all I do sitting right here. Yeah, I'd like the broth because what broth like me Now regardless kin kept ratting out on his cousin further sessions revealed Just how the two came up with this whole operation And when asked how they decided to kill girls in the first place kin as steve said sitting around Shooting shit. I asked them. Hey If kill anybody he thought he was talking out of his ass. He didn't think anything of it. He said, I don't know

Why why do you want to know and I said, well, I don't know What does it feel like and he said, well, I don't know and I said, hey, you know what we should find out sometime And you know what he said Okay And we did it Yeah, that's me. I'm steve not kenny This is kind of a funny game honey. This is kind of a funny game I like to play with my multi-personality disorder clients steve call kena jerk off. Kenny you're a fat jerk off

It's actually him calling himself a fat jerk off. No, it's kenny. Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah, kena. I know how you hate that name You blow yourself because you're afraid I'm sorry, what Steve ken blows himself Something steve shouldn't say out loud. Oh ken you're back because he doesn't want to hurt ken's feelings And spread the fact that ken likes to fuck a stuffed rabbit In his craft meat room I think we've got what we needed Hey steve, no, but steve knows what he's talking about

So what did I say when I was like under nothing nothing nothing In his notepad look for cum stained rabbit The entire tip just writes bullshit again Now this right here this that we're about to play is an actual audio recording of ken speaking As steve about him and angelo murdering women. It's not as fun as my version. No All right, let's go You want to know which ones see I got your k. Okay. You want to know which ones angelo and I did away If you want to tell me

Oh Huh, I don't know if you're gonna tell me or not my decision, isn't it like I said, right? You know that you don't have to pay credit for any of me don't want to Hey, man, it doesn't bother me any You know, I told you killing abroad doesn't make any difference to me killing any fucking buddy Yeah, maybe it didn't kill any of those. I don't know. Oh, hey, no wrong man. Hey, I killed a couple of these Oh, it's one if you think you did, right? I killed her angelo killed her they mean the wanker when angelo killed this broad. I never seen before

Mark this broad. I'd never seen before I'd spent you never saw them at all. No This broad I'd never seen before This broad I killed these two angelo kill vector johnson this one I never seen before angelo kill, huh? This one. I've never seen before this broad. I killed He does say that the taking of human I have to say they sound like two people who have been friends for 30 years solely because they sat together at a bar 30 years ago like norm and the mailman from cheers They just sound like a bickering alcoholic

Duo so you're saying so Kenny's the frasier And the police officer's the norm Could be could be it is very interesting again the use of the term broad. Yeah, everybody's just slinging around the term broad over and over again Yeah, I mean and it's almost like the psychiatrist has never seen a movie or anything because of course the cops look at like That sounds so obviously fake. He's doing a 1920s gangster voice. Yeah While the other guys just like he's like interesting like writing it down everything that he says, right? Yeah, I mean because all these guys are thinking about is their career

But thankfully the la pd was not even close to being convinced because the name steve might sound familiar to those of you who pay particularly close attention to part one of this series homicide detectives back in los angeles Thoroughly unimpressed with kin's performance up in bellingham New than an alias was usually based on the personal experience of the person using it And the big break came when police discovered steve Walker the psychology student whose name kin had stolen way back when he was trying to be an amateur

Psychologist in his pre-murder days. It's like it's like in the usual suspects. Yeah, kaiser. Uh, kaiser Yeah, kaiser sozey, but in the dumbest way possible. Yeah, he got dumber. He didn't get more intelligent Yes, yeah, and armed with this fact the sixth and final doctor kin would see back in bellingham Was about to discover the truth in may of 1979 dr. Martin oren Another well-known expert in hypnosis who testified at the patty hearst trial discovered yet another personality Hidden in be on key's brain that of billy who is apparently the bridge between kin and steve They're just making it all up. They are just making it all up. Yeah, that's what happened That's what multiple personality disorder there was like maybe five cases

They also said during this time and while he was sitting in the holding jail He ordered a copy of sable and he watched the three faces of eve while in jail He watched all this shit right all these books because in the 1970s people were obsessed with multiple personality disorder Yeah, it was a huge thing and you know, of course it led to uh, and the multiple personalities thing led to uh, What was it the satanic panic book? Uh that you know the multiple personalities thing really became a huge phenomenon and people wanted to believe it Because it was it was a cool thing and also the vague, uh Sections of it sound like mk. Ultra training, which is real and so then we have like the the what is arcane?

Conspiracy knowledge at the time that we'll find out later is real as being sort of like snuck into all of this like pop culture psychology of like Housewives their personalities breaking apart and then cheating on their husbands. Yeah, and these uh psychiatrists like since multiple personalities Was like the hot thing at the time right if you got a multiple personality case. It was like striking gold You're gonna have papers published. You're gonna have books published. You're gonna be broad on television shows Like it was a multiple personality was the past of the big time right? We're gonna get this stand-up pool and i'm gonna name it the steve walker commemorative pool So billy is the bridge between ken and steve. Yeah

He's the bridge between the two and this is what he sounded like I got it from the description of it from serial killers up close and personal. He was a little boy He was it was kenny at the age of nine. Mm-hmm mommy was hitting me so bad. I met steve I closed my eyes. I was crying so hard All of a sudden he was there. He said hi to me. He told me I was his friend I felt really good that I had a friend that I could talk to It's kind of sad. It's really sad. I mean, but can you imagine a grown Rapist murderer making the voice and it shifts from sad to very scary. Yes, right. Yeah, it's terrifying. But also dumb

Yeah, and then billy eventually because they started doing they started with age regression And billy started off as a little kid and then eventually he got older and older because these two personalities were with him throughout his entire life He's also not good at voices. He's not a voice actor. Yeah, he's really badass. See billy. He was the bridge He was somewhere in between the two steve or ken ken was the saint. He never did anything wrong He was a loving father. He was a great employee great friend Steve was the sadistic asshole. He raped he killed Uh, and you know was just generally a pox on humanity billy was like, yeah, he was the one who lied He was the one who cheated but he's always like, you know what? I never really got on board with the killing

Yeah, I never really liked all the killing all that much. He's the creepy puppet That's what he sounds like but you know what it's really interesting They said a part of the reason why he came up with the multiple personality disorder in the first place was because his attorney Was like you need to find a way To make your to exonerate yourself In a way and what he did was he sat him down And described the process of what it's like to be hung by the state of california And he was like some people go to the gallows screaming

Um, they have to strap them down and he's like and if they basically if they screw up the hanging you're paralyzed And then you choke to death over 15 minutes. Yeah Come up with something quick We need a hit Sounds like a record producer literally See that's the thing is that you know now that billy was coming out Uh, dr. Orrin, he was getting closer to the truth about kin so-called multiple personalities multiple personalities Because the thing about multiple personalities that if they even exist at all because there is

Still to this day a lot of debate as to if multiple personality disorder is an actual Thing if they even exist at all they're created as a means to deal with extreme stress Usually sexual abuse and childhood and that persona the different personas that are created They're there to defend the dominant psyche in other words. It's not a voluntary act at all It's all a stress related switch But kin was able to switch from personality to personality at the behest of the hypnotists And furthermore kin steven billy like I said earlier, they were just too clean They were caricatures of good evil and somewhere in between they weren't they weren't complex personalities at all

It's like you said, but like it's just like three white guys It's like one that is cool one that's cool one that sucks and one that's a rapist murderer, right? Um, what about Daniel Day-Lewis and Lincoln? Yeah, multi Daniel Day-Lewis and my left foot Daniel Day-Lewis and there will be blood Do you think she's a murderer? No, he chose multiple personalities over money. Oh, yes money helped him choose to do that Yeah, but the final nail in the multiple personality coffin came when orn told kin To hallucinate that his lawyer was in the room didn't prompt him just told him. Hey your lawyer's in the room

That's it. And Bianchi playing along reached out to shake the imaginary lawyer's hand The only problem with that is that while subjects under hypnosis can be made to hallucinate people in objects They never physically interact with them finally somebody was just like because you know finally Warren just said to me and like this is the worst case of fakery I have seen it at long ass time. He actually was he was like this is like you kind of look down on the rest of the Psychiatrist like what have you people been doing because at this point now Kenny's in there doing a three rings three ring Fucking circus show. He's like martin short doing his like a Broadway show. They're coming there the more and more cops are building up It's kind of like Henry Lucas. It's the same thing because Kenny canifer got uh got off from attention

And so now again, it's now shifted to here now I can have attention in this little arena and now I'm doing and I'm playing all these people It's finally somebody with some level of reason showed up and was just like it's just this is insanity Yeah, and a lot like Henry Lee Lucas the Bellingham police department really took they took a shine to Kenny He was allowed to do he was allowed to get Sibyl he was allowed to watch movies and you know get books He was allowed to correspond with anybody that he wanted to uh without any sort of supervision whatsoever He was just going whole hog on everything. I know from my father

A cop will make instant friends with anyone who wants to listen to their stories Good point. And that's how it goes. You just you can be all you have to do is we tell like ask a cop What's your worst story and he's like all right here? You want to hold my gun? And so six psychiatrist later and by the way, I don't know if I'd stress that enough Six psychiatrists examine this guy kin's story finally collapsed and his insanity plea was rejected And faced with a mountain of evidence and insanely detailed Confessions kin had no choice but to plead guilty and in a deal made with the Los Angeles district attorney's office

He avoided the death penalty by testifying against bono and testify. He did for six Months essentially being the biggest pain in the ass the Los Angeles criminal justice system would see until charles eng took the stand Two decades later. Wow Wow, he was a showman after all he was he really was and I guess he would switch from day to day like until One day he would he would actually switch from hour to hour and he would come in the morning And say like yeah, I killed all these women like I did this I did that Angelo was there and then he come in in the afternoon and say like, you know what I forgot I don't remember anymore. It is sort of like going back to family matters when steven urkel

When urkel would turn into steven urkel. I love those episodes So if I was a juror, I'd be like, oh, I hope steve comes in I love it when steve's there, but I do imagine that steven urkel staphon urkel would murder a girl Oh, yeah choker with a plastic. Yes. That was actually a stalker situation if you go back and watch that sick Dangerous very dangerous what he was doing to laura steven urkel steve urkel is very similar to the uh, the uh, The uh, santa barbara, uh lady killer uh guy steve urkel or staphon steve urkel. Hmm I don't know. He seemed a lot more good. It's really lucky. She ended up with a fucking bullet in her head Well, her father was a police officer as well. Even worse guns in the house. Well, it's okay

Well, one other interesting thing about uh kim bianchi's psyche and as far as attention went Is that when he was in bellingham and all of these cops and psychiatrists were fawning over him and giving him everything that he wanted He was extremely cooperative He uh, actually, you know, he went and he you know confessed and he cried during the trial or during the hearing Uh, but as soon as he went down to los angeles for bonos trial Nobody gave his shit about him anymore the la the la pd. They didn't placate him They didn't give him anything that he wanted So he pretty much turned into a little titty baby and refused to cooperate and that's why he spent six months on

The witness stand when he also apparently did to one statement He made is during it is a when he got shipped down to la. He's like I finally get my dream of being a murder investigator Like he's got to because he was investigating his own murder right Like his own like he got to be he got to play cop. You know, I mean one cool thing about investigating your own murder You'll solve it You know like because all you have to go is spin around. Where's the killer? Where's the killer? Oh, it's me Pointing at my nose. Look at that. Got it nailed it and after the longest trial in california history

At that time angelo bono would be convicted in sentenced to life in prison where he died in 2002 Bianchi is still alive and has since decided that he is innocent of all charges And to this day vows to one day find quote-unquote the real killer. Oh jay. Oh jay did it I love that. I love the vow to find the real killer always. Yeah, of course because that is how he would exonerate him Or that's how he would be exonerated and there's also a weird epilogue to this story involving a woman named veronica That I think we're going to get into a future episode women who love men who kill She saved his life. That's what she said because she also brought him the love of jesus christ The love of jesus christ that's after she left him for the sunset strip strength

Well, she's got a type. Yeah, well, well, oh that woman has a type But yeah, we'll get into her possibly in a future episode. We don't want to give that one away just yet But it's a really mustaches. Yeah, must loves the mustache. And that's it. That's a hillside stragglers All right hillside stragglers another great job of research mr. Parks wonderful stuff very educational a lot on this one as well And also thanks to uh april benet research assistant april benet who really helped out a lot on this one as well Our first year research assistants unfortunately died in the process of the ome shinrikyo episodes Oh, this is a memoriam of them this episode. Um, I uh, it's one of those things where I love the big hitters I love doing these big hitters. I love researching them. Um, sometimes I'd be like, oh, I wish they didn't hadn't done this

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