Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 595: The Krugersdorp Cult Murders Part II - Me, Myself, The Werewolf, and I

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

This week the boys dive right back into the story of Electus per Deus and learn how self-proclaimed "Werewolf" cult leader Cecilia Steyn assembled and manipulated her sect of gullible deviants. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes and get exclusive access to bonus content.

There's no place to escape to this is the last time on the left That's when the cannibalism started You guys ready Yeah, man, my whole life. Okay, you guys have known me for a while You guys ready? Yeah, man. My whole life. Okay, you guys have known me for a while. Eddie, you've known me for more than half of my life.

Yeah. Marcus, you and I have been working together for probably close to 15 years. I remember you were just a sad, scared little piece of shit. I still am though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still am, Eddie. Technically, he's littler than he was then. Yes.

By then I was more expansive. And you were weaker though. I was, then I was more expansive and you know, I was I was and I was more Open to other cultures. Yes, you were in fact Explodent maybe no I Just want to ask you both how long and what will it take for you both? Like, let's say I were to come forward emotionally and tell you both, guys, I love you. I don't know how to say this, but I'm a werewolf. I transform against my will. I'm a huge bitch when I do. You don't want to be anywhere near my teats

I'm a huge bitch when I do. You don't want to be anywhere near my teats when they explode out of me. Like, honestly, if I were to come to you emotionally and explain to you that I'm a werewolf, what's the procedure? The procedure, I mean, well, you go to the first full moon and lock your ass up. But I tell you, the problem is,

is that if you come anywhere near me during the full moon, I will kill you both. Even if then just put you in a cage. I transform I'm actually shape-shifting and I can travel through walls. You can do all that? Yeah, I'm the most powerful witch in Northern Los Angeles. I just got you in a lie because a male which is a warlock But hey, not unless you have tits like me Cuz I have got which I have which is a warlock, but hey not unless you have tits like me That is true you do have an old witch's breath I have exactly the same body as the lady who played the wicked witch. Yeah in Body is the witch in the witch it's very similar

You have the same body as the witch in The Witch. It's very similar. You have that. Ahhhhhhhhhh. Ahhhhhhhhhh. But seriously, what's the procedure? What would it take for you to believe I'm a werewolf? You have witch tits because I can't figure out which one is bigger. It's the right.

Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks. My answer is the second your sister convinces me you're a werewolf then I'll believe it You don't think she's not gonna hop on with all of her improv training She's gonna immediately understand that if I'm telling people that there's a that I'm a werewolf that there's not a grift is a foot Better join in or you're on the other side of it Probably would just ignore it because I know it wasn't true and you know, just like I do whenever you talk about aliens it because I know it wasn't true and you know just like I do whenever you talk about aliens. I come to you, I'm emotional, I'm explaining to you that this has destroyed my life. I'm such a

powerful witch, I can't be hidden, everybody's trying to attack me and the worst part of all is my period makes me attack people with will-ven teeth. That's what do you do? I ask you when you started having a period. Oh buddy, it was when I was 13. Man, oh man, the mess and the surprise. I'm pretty sure penis periods are cancer. Yes, that's what we came to say. And with me is the heavy flow Henry Zabrowski.

I need five paper towel rolls just to jam it up. I wonder if there is a way to, because what people don't talk about in this case, and I think... Excuse me, and the skeptical Ed Larson. Hey, I don't believe anything. He physically cannot believe a single thing. I think that though, reason why they have cut out the majority of the werewolf lore within this story is because there was-

Who is they? I literally do mean the major media and the people who wrote about this story. They cut out a lot, I mean a lot of the werewolf content because they felt that people maybe wouldn't take it seriously Yeah, and it's hard because it really is the center of the beginnings of this cult is all-on werewolf shit yeah, and Nobody questions a thing The were nobody like all questions of that no in the coal the werewolf stuff was the base

Yeah, and then it went from there. What do you do that? Well? Let's get into the cult itself Let's really get into this fucking business and how Cecilia stain came to control these fucking people by telling them that she was a fucking Werewolf yeah, I think I wouldn't do anything as long as you were still funny I think I wouldn't do anything as long as you were still funny Yeah, I can continue to be a werewolf or believe I'm a werewolf But you're not gonna come over and try to do anything about it You're not gonna go you're not gonna call Transylvania as long as you show up on time and can still have production calls We're fine unbelievable So when we last left Cecilia stain eventual leader of the murderous Electus Perdeus cult,

she had successfully infiltrated a fundamentalist Christian organization called Overcomers Through Christ. That's Overcomers. Stop it. Stop. It's smoking. Just do more. Just do more.

It's like the guy who came, who comes, he can't stop from coming, and then he came at his father's funeral and he was like, you never know the devastation of having four orgasms in front of your father's dead body. Overcomers for Christ. Well Cecilia Stain had infiltrated them by telling them that she was a 42nd generation Satanic witch who had just escaped the Satanic church and she needed their help. Using cheap parlor tricks, a deep backstory, and a manufactured cast of characters who sent text messages to overcomers from burner phones, Cecilia was able to convince the overcomers

through Christ that the Satanists were always on the precipice of coming to get both her and them, and the overcomers were the only people who could save Cecilia. Always. Now, I, again, in another life, and if this didn't turn into 11 murderers, this is the dream. Yeah. Right? Yeah. For a lot of Satanists. Well, that's the thing is that who knows how many times this has happened without any murderers occur. Oh, I think is many times Not no exaggeration because we have to remember let's set the tone again for this cult Is that if you ever coming to overcomers through Christ again, you have a huge urethra and

And also remember the overcomers through Christ is not the cult. No. It's the cult she subsidized. It's the cult she stole from. She sucked the teat from. But even then, I don't know if I would call overcomers a cult themselves. Well, you're right. Yeah, they're more of like a really intense prayer group. The only way I think I could kind of sum it up is that this group was, a lot of cult leaders create the problem

and the solution on their own. And the problem, the people with problems go to the cult leader looking for solutions. Like, so a lot of times a cult leader posts up either legitimately, you know, like Charles Manson or legitimately like Jim Jones, they kind of have some standing in society in that way. And people come to them and that's how they get bought into the cult because Charles Manson,

he used the context of the times, Jim Jones integrated Indiana, he did all these incredible things and then by this point, Sunken Fallacy, you're now hanging out with a guy who's going to kill everybody. But in this cult, this is a cult led by gravity. This woman went straight to where the idiots were. So she went to overcomers through Christ. These people already believed that they had the not only the the the the the chewed, they were chosen by God, but they also have the ability to funnel God's empathy through themselves. So they're their weird little bodies into satanists to cure them.

Like if you believe already that you can go save people Yeah, you fucking just waiting to be scooped up And that's also important you say like channel and it's important to note like these people believe they have magical powers There's nothing more magical than a Christian. Yeah, they really do believe that they are they they harness this ability So it's so easy to kind of convince them that you're a werewolf. Well every Sunday they drink blood I know well if you're if you're catholic. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean if you're a methodist grape juice Now first I think that cecilia was just getting attention out of this deal But the overcomers were getting something too. She had a whole group of people believing that she was important and in danger. That's what she got

Oh, yeah, how what are witch hunters without witches? Yeah, and in return the group got to cosplay as Christian soldiers battling the devil Although they didn't know they were cosplaying because they're stupid Understand that it's just as witchy what they were doing. Yeah, and they never actually saw any Satanists never Well, no, that's the thing is that they had a- Oh, they were surrounded by- Well, no, by seeing, they have Cecilia. Yeah. Like there's one that's sitting right in front of them that's telling them everything that they ever suspected about the world was true. And Cecilia- And should they have not have trusted her because

she's a Satanist. Hey. Ah Ah! It is very interesting. There's the crux. But I feel like every one of these groups turn into this. Has your mom ever done this? My mom joined a Reiki group. No. For a while. Yeah.

Yeah, my mom joined the fucking Reiki group in Jayton, Texas. You joke. You joke. This is where they are. This is flicking. I'm talking about po-dunk. Trumpville. Count-like Florida, right?

My mom goes to this Reiki, and the way she talks about it, she's like, well, you know, Henry Thomas, the Grandmaster told me I had special powers and that I was the best student he'd ever met and me and him are doing private lessons. I'm seeing like, you know, red flags waving back and forth, but I'm just trying not to get involved. But then it turns into, you know, like,

you know, they said Henry Thomas, that they're one of us, is they, they is sort of, they're not an anti-Christ, but it's like an anti-Reiki sort of angel demon, right? And her name's Beth, and she's in the group, and she's just, we all, none of us trust her. And it was like a whole thing, it turned into this thing with her and the Reiki master, we're gonna flip this woman. This is just, you know, a conference room and a public library until the whole group fell apart about them unable to Equally divvy up the what they all spent in an Airbnb when they went on a trip out of town

I mean this that's what destroyed the Reiki group The Reiki group was fighting evil on Wednesday on Friday. They're all like well. I had two pieces of pepperoni pizza Wednesday on Friday. They're all like well. I had two pieces of pepperoni pizza Five I saw what she did she was sneaking and cutting them into little pieces, but she was eating more than everybody else No, it's a crazy. They're in a library conference room, and they're speaking all this nonsense surrounded by information But it's like I honestly think six more weeks my mom could have killed ten But once Cecilia cemented her place within overcomers through Christ as a person in need she opened up a second front

She started scamming them out of their money Now Ria Grunewald the leader of overcomers through Christ, and Candace Riavis, also a member and Cecilia's supposed girlfriend at the time, they both believed that Cecilia was in a constant state of decay due to continuous spiritual attacks launched by her former Satanic coven. A fair amount of Overcomers Through Christ had witnessed Cecilia during one of the so-called Satanic high nights, in which Cecilia would spit blood because witches were attacking her organs from afar, so they'd ostensibly seen quote-unquote proof that Cecilia was deteriorating.

But if you'll remember, this was just a cheap trick involving blood and the fingers from a latex glove. But as far as the overcomers were concerned, Cecilia's body was rotting from the inside out due to these frequent satanic attacks. It definitely wasn't the menthols. Yeah, and the cocaine. Yeah. And the drinking. A lot of cocaine.

Yeah. A lot of drinking. Whatever she can get her hands on it seems like. Yeah. Now the only physical malady Cecilia ever had was mild asthma. Cocaine really helps with that. Because it's all about having the confidence to not want to have asthma anymore. Yeah, the menthols really help with that too.

All the glass and the filters. Scours the asthma out of you. But she convinced the overcomers that she also had leukemia, infections in her heart and lungs, immune deficiency syndrome, high blood pressure, chronic bronchitis, epilepsy, panic attacks, and a chronic stomach ulcer. And I'm also a slow reader. It's been a month. When any of these conditions presented manufactured symptoms like loss of breath, convulsions, hyperventilating, or vomiting blood, that was her favorite trick, Candice and or Rhea would race Cecilia to the hospital

and pay for her treatment, which only added to the constant sense of urgency surrounding their former Satanist. And that's an important thing to remember about Cecilia. Everything is urgent all the time. Well that's how she keeps the pace of the mini mini cult. Now we're right now. This is this is the training time Yeah, this is still her figuring out testing time and the testing time She works on each one of these individuals around her to the specific to their specific needs Yeah, and wants for their relationship with her. It's very interesting Candice was slowly groomed by Cecilia. During this time period, Cecilia would make Candice

buy two of the same pieces of clothing whenever she bought clothing so that they could dress identical. So they would dress identical at all times. Cecilia would even get angry when she didn't dress identical to the point where they had to call each other in the morning and figure out what each one was going to wear. And so Cecilia was super into the, how do you say it? Lady whose baby is asleep on the counter of a Burger King.

Like she is that style of dress. Crown of front hair, black. I want to say something along the lines of either what's a good old fashioned Florida. Like I'm going to go ahead and say a black polo shirt Sevenfold a bench sevenfold shirt Like that style of sort of like what's that type of metal new metal new metal definitely a new metal vibe big pants And then it's to see a very very big pants and it was this chain They constantly had to duck she didn't like accoutrements like keeping simple but this was the beginning of it she also made them nicknames where cecily would be called

pookie and candace's nickname would be dookie no close close very close it's just like one of those things where it's uh i you know every time it's just a bunch of it's a series of arbitrary lies and arguments yeah that every time I get annoyed I just remember this ends in 11 murders. Oh yeah buddy. That's the craziest thing of all this stupid bullshit. It's a group of annoying stupid people that go on to make a lot of mayhem it's our favorite kind. Yeah. Well Cecilia even got a prop she started carrying around an oxygen tank and she insisted she needed to have it with her at all times, otherwise she'd die. But because of her manufactured health problems, Cecilia would tell Candace or Rhea that she had a mountain of medical

bills. As a result, Candace would eventually give Cecilia $6,000 per month to pay these bills. Cecilia, however, always insisted that Candace give her the cash directly. Yes, of course. Yes. You had to because the bank accounts, they're traceable markets. They say this is where you're going to find the bank accounts. You know how sadists are at the bank. You see me at the bank. Well, this made sure that Candace Arhea never came into contact with the people who were supposedly treating Cecilia. Cecilia also insisted that she be the one to buy all of her prescription drugs.

I know the good ones, I know them by taste. Nasally, nasally. Oh wow, I love the taste of this one. But that was because she was buying them recreationally and illegally through a contact at her local pharmacy. But what's insane about all this is that Rhea and Candace chose to ignore the lavish purchases Cecilia was making. She bought a couple of four-wheelers, bought a PlayStation 3, and a healthy library of

games. Can I ask, what is the thing with cult leaders and four-wheelers? Four-wheelers, dune bugguggies ATVs of all kinds? I don't have drivers license About the freedom bro, that's what I'm saying. It's all about the real car. Yeah, yeah, cuz they don't need a top Yeah, you gotta get the wind in your spiky hair In addition Cecilia was known to run up quite the tab at her local bar She let go into a place called the limelight pub and grill

That's how she learned and this is true how to be amongst normal people. Oh hanging out and by the way, it's lime It's L I M E. It's a bit of a pun That's probably where she met the drug dealers Quite possible sure. Yeah. Yeah now Cecilia instinctively that no one was going to stick around if she didn't keep raising the stakes. So she began saying that there had been a spiritual perimeter cast in the area around her apartment by her father, the diabolical Mr. Brown. Yes!

You will never leave St. Ed's jurisdiction which goes from 3rd West 9th Street to all the way to 9 West 12th Street. The devil has a three block kingdom that cannot be unsullied by the power of Christ. She also said in more serious tones, this is also the time period where she would flippantly say that Mr. Brand would occupy the soul of her husband to rape her in the night, and her father, her soul, would jump into the night, and that's the reason why, but then when he would wake up, he would know idea that he did it, and everyone woke up having no idea that it happened, and she would say this, and eventually they'd go, oh man, that is bad, and then they'd go, oh man, that is bad. And then they just all move on. And we're like. It's so weird, the matter of factness.

I think it's when you start off by telling people that you're a werewolf, I really mean this. Like it does make everything else seem like, well okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Cecilia worked across the border set by her Satanist father, which conveniently ended right outside of the mall and her favorite

bar. Hey, that's what I mean. He can't, Satan knows. If she crossed these borders, she would immediately drop dead from a death curse. Alternatively, Cecilia would also say that if she crossed the fiendish Mr. Brand's boundaries, she would be set upon by an army of Satanic snakes. Yes! The best part of a Satanic snake is they have mouths in the front and the back!

Yes, they bite you equal opportunity when you're in the front or the back. Most diabolical you'll ever know! It looks almost like spaghetti you would think at first. The ultimate deception. And they're always angry because they cannot defecate! They cannot shit! Filled with shit Was such he will cut to her father who's still just barbecue You know like she did she hated roller coasters

I don't know that much, so I should have known that not to trust her. If you see her, say hi. As such, Cecilia would spend a lot of time in her apartment concocting so-called antidotes for snake bites, just in case the nefarious Mr. Bran decided to unleash his demonic snakes just because he felt like it. The death curse borders, however, would change arbitrarily, and Cecilia would often cross without consequence if she felt like it if someone pointed this out Cecilia would say that the atrocious mr. Brand was capable of changing the borders at will just to taunt her just to taunt her just so that she could go to the

rotor rooters Satan's again, not that bad. Yeah, that's kind of shows that Satan's kind of lenient But also sometimes they'd say, you know, we pass the borders and what she'd do is which is amazing. She'd go. Oh my god I Cannot express you guys I cannot express you guys that this is literally what she did and she had these and then everyone just believed her Yeah, they're so fucking stupid. I'm gullible gullible Candice. I've been listening to hours of your podcast I hope you listen to our show. I love you Candice, and I support you you need an editor

You need an engineer Come in there to your podcast and fix it, please. We'll put it out on LPN No, I wonder at the house I'm inviting you to Marcus's house. I'll give you a raise personal address I needed to come here and I'll talk with you about this But it's the true most hidden esoteric knowledge because it is so boring that it takes hours To pour through to get anything that is remotely good in the story. But now I got it, right? Which is just remembering that I was like, when you hear Candace talk, she was so like,

you know, and then when she told us that she was the werewolf and we all sat, we were very worried, very worried at what she was going to do. And then she'd go into the other room and come out and these horrid fangs would have grinned and she'd go Cecilia would frighten all of us knowing that she was about to transform so we'd scatter We'd scatter so afraid she would literally just put vampire teeth in her mouth in the other room

Yeah, and they'd run away before anything else had to happen and then she'd go into this other stuff and then Yeah, yeah, very annoying. Yeah, well, it's it just really goes to show you what people will believe When their entire worldview is shattered. I mean this is this is like I mean apartheid was I mean it was you really can't Express how horrible it was was I mean it was you really can't express how horrible it was 20 years ago at this point, but I will It does affect the entire vibe of the country. Obviously it affects people across the board, but it's still just like I Don't blame apartheid. Honestly. I'm sorry when it comes to werewolves Within the tenants of apartheid doesn't say that werewolves get an extra vote

This would be huge apartheid said that werewolves were also real that would be amazing I mean really if you look at it it took eight years after Obama was elected for QAnon to even begin You know because it began with pizza gate it began, you know, because it began with Pizzagate. It began with, you know, the spirit, spirit cooking and all that shit, you know, from the Podesta emails and all that. So it was, you know, these things take a long time to bubble and it's, and at this point, you know, like it's still like the world that they knew when they were children is no longer the world that they exist within. And the people that are too young to remember any of that are being told by those that are older than them, like, this country used to be safe, it used to be fine, until the Satanists came. You know, it's all blamed on the Satanists.

What about the werewolves? The werewolves were already there? Did they start it? Were they the first ones in Africa what she's a 42nd generation werewolf So that the actually the werewolf came from Egypt because that's where her gender. That's where her witch line generation Oh my god. Yes, that's right See some where prairie dogs. That'd be fun. I'll show you a weird prairie dog that's right in my fucking pants. That's where. But it's like that thing where it's like people are so much more ready to believe something that's completely insane than anything logical. It's almost like believing in a completely literal version of Jesus and God.

So it seems to all kind of go hand in hand. version of Jesus and God. Yes. So it seems to all kind of go hand in hand. Fly from your grave. Now you think that all this would be a matter for the police because after all South Africa did have the occult related crimes unit Technically they were trained for this. Oh, yeah And the government's telling you this shit's as real as fucking can be arrested. But Cecilia insisted that the infernal Mr. Brand was in league with law enforcement and any information given to them... I created the seat belt laws! Yeah! The most devilish of all the laws! How dare you be safe!

Sixty dollars a time! You thought it was Ralph Nader but he is truly my puppet. My evil man, my bride, Ralph Nader. How well he suckles upon my satanic balls. But any information given to the cops would of course harm Cecilia. There was however another reason for not going to the cops. Remember that Cecilia's husband was a police officer. Oh yeah, that guy. Yeah, the guy who's chit. The guy on the couch. What's happening? Cecilia's husband was a police officer. Oh yeah, that guy! Yeah, the guy who's chipped out.

The guy on the couch. What's happening? Like, it's literally this guy's entire role in this whole thing. Him going, huh, you guys having a good night? Oh, you're watching The Wolf Man again, huh? Alright, I gotta go. Yeah, I'm gonna order a pizza. I'm gonna go.

I'm gonna go to my gay lover, because apparently he was gay. Oh really? According to Candice. Well, that's, I don't know about that. I mean, Candice is, I don gay. Oh really according to Candice. Well, that's I don't know about that I mean Candice's I don't know how much to trust Candice Candice like there's so many things that you just don't understand the horror things She showed us all we were all forced to watch the worst film I've ever seen it all these ghosts in a prison and the one with the breasts out 13 goes

Goddamn, I just watched that movie Scariest films I've ever I couldn't believe they'd have all in one house so many Much how do you click rent? Well, I'd imagine the reason why Cecilia didn't want anyone going to the cops, because I would imagine she didn't want her husband involved in her scam. But as we'll see later, anytime Cecilia and or her followers started feeling any heat, the investigation would mysteriously stop.

Now Rhea Grunewald's bond with Cecilia was affecting the rest of her relationships in the Christian community. The Lighthouse Full Gospel Church broke contact, followed by other churches and police departments who'd once trusted Rhea as a Satan hunter. Likewise, people stopped booking her enrichment weeks. Rhea blamed all of these severed relationships on the machinations of the Satanic Church.

Oh yeah, that's the only reason why we're not in Top 10 iTunes right now. That's all they do, man, has come for us, especially because this is not the Satanic Church, it's the Christian Church that's masking themselves as a Satanic Church, as we know that's what's happening inside of the TST. They've been flipped from the inside by Christian ideologues in order to turn themselves into a religion. Maybe we should change the genre of this podcast to religious. Oh, I think that's a good way to get some new clients out.

Well, Cecilia only encouraged this belief that the Satanists were behind everything because with every broken bond, Rhea had more time and energy to spend with Cecilia. To make herself even more of a handful, Cecilia claimed that she suffered from dissociative identity disorder, DID, more commonly known as multiple personality disorder Just know that so now hear this alright, so it starts with Contacting Ria saying that you are this 40 second the just did this 40 second generation Most powerful rich in all of Africa you are being saved every night But every from the all of these satanic attacks and you're this victim then it's begins to health problems. You have all these things going on because

it's like you could see it kind of the group the way it would get together. They would all get together and help her on the high nights and then it would slowly devolve into them just kind of hanging out like kind of just being a friend group that used to make Ria angry because Ria was like this is serious. We need to really focus on this. Eventually that got to be sort of like, well, how many times is this going to happen for how long? Like naturally people get tired of the story. So then the physical stuff started and then that becomes a new thing.

You need to pay for me and do these things for me because I'm physically unable because of the previous attacks. Then it just gets worse. Then she adds the next angle. Like that's what's hard is that she didn't arrive with DID in front of all these people. That sprung up on him. About a year in. Well, amongst a hundred other personalities,

there was Xena. She had a foul mouth. I'm a bit of a cunt, but some people say I'm a bitch! You also had Akisha, the dangerous and argumentative leader of a thousand lesser demons. Don't you tell me how to raise my baby. There was also Linda the master chef who quite appropriately for her profession had quite the cocaine habit. Oh my god, I can't believe I was going to think about it.

We're going to put it in a new hot tub and then we're going to go out there and I was going to start a new So one group in the ceiling Squirrels The mailman we were talking about for you. Oh, we need to open up a barbecue restaurant Linda was only one of a long list of experts which included a doctor a psychiatrist an engineer an engineer, a lawyer, and an IT specialist. Man, that's super fucking super convenient. You also had Daphne, who spoke English and drank tea, possibly named after the Frasier character.

Absolutely. That's a fucking copyright infringement. It's one of the three TV shows they got over there. Then there was Anya, the nervous three-year-old who loved to play in color Anya was surprisingly useful because when Cecilia wanted to get back at someone she could say that the person who displeased her had Molested Anya, but it was Cecilia when she was Anya So they were only a child molester when they were touching her as Anya and then they were only attracted to her When she was on you which is weird because I've never had I played thousands of little boys And I've never been approached by a molester saying play that little boy again like you did

Was Mikey Schatz considered a little boy over much so? But mentally, but he was growing up he was Physically very very large now again Did is one of the most subtle weird? It's like a thing that it's very difficult to talk about well it almost extremely rare some Argue that there are many people that say they've never seen it once in their entire career What the let you say that the the jury's out on the ID? We're not quite certain what's going on with it, but this lady used to do full-on

Exactly as you think. Each one's a different character. Anya, she would like poop in her pants and fall down and go like, me want a chocolate shake from the store. She would do this stuff and then they'd all scurry to go do stuff for her because and what Candace kept saying, which I find interesting, she was like, cause who in their right mind would make up something like this? And it's like somebody that is playing all of you morons like a bunch of fiddles, sadly. Yeah, it's like if M. Night Shyamalan split was called shit.

Some people didn't say that. To those reviewers, I say you're incorrect. That movie's awful. I like that. Now it is, I say you're incorrect. That movie's awful. I like that. Now it is probable that Cecilia had done her homework concerning Satanic ritual abuse, because her whole story, including the multiple personalities, sounds very similar to the discredited 1980 book Michelle Remembers. She ripped everything off.

Yeah, that was a kickoff point for the Satanic panic in America. In Michelle Remem remembers, a psychiatrist used hypnosis on a woman that, by the way, he later married. That's the best psychiatrist of all. He made his patient into the exact type of woman he wants to fuck. And he uncovered so-called repressed memories, that's also a discredited concept, of Satanic ritual abuse that had been inflicted upon Michelle by her father. Michelle claimed that starting at the age of five, she was ritualistically tortured through sexual abuse, imprisonment in cages, the witnessing of human sacrifices, and

enduring rituals in which the blood and body parts of sacrificed babies and adults will be rubbed on her body. Always getting rubbed. The worst kind of lotion. It doesn't do anything. I've tried well the blood you know they put that in certain facials the treatments your blood though Yeah, yeah, that's not gonna be good mines all filled liquor Just get drunk in this office I'm urinating! We know sir, we know. Now Michelle remembers has been discredited a dozen times over for a multitude of reasons. Keeps popping back up though.

But it seems like Cecilia may have read it and taken notes, because multiple personality disorder features heavily in Michelle's story. In an echo of what Michelle remembers claimed, Cecilia said that the satanic ritual abuse that she suffered as a child caused her personality to shatter into a hundred different identities so she could escape the trauma of what happened to her. Conveniently though, each of these hundreds of individual personalities were susceptible to their own personal demons, literal demons, which made Cecilia even more high maintenance because she needed a hundred times more attention. Yeah it's the freelancing gig

that just keeps giving for Christ and it's very difficult because they are already taking all these things seriously so at this point you're just seeing DLC. That's what this is. This is the DLC to the main game. Yeah, the patients these people have Oh my god, you see this is I find interesting because I don't think it's patients. I think it's ego I think that there is a hidden ego in some of these we're saving this woman. Yes We are the only ones capable. We're the ones that are standing between Society and the devil we are the and they are just little old ladies and little like just normal church people. There's also like a fair amount of people in their 20s. Oh yes, but they

believe wholeheartedly they are in a one-on-one match versus the devil himself. Mm-hmm. And guess what, if that was true, they'd fucking lose. I'm sick of these fuckers. You think that Satan's gonna be put down that easily? I'm just so angry. Yeah. And that idea that you would even be think that you guys at all just get together and just fucking with Your dumpy ass Capri pants. You think you're gonna fucking shut down the devil? Yeah. You think the Pope can't? No, I can't. That's the whole point. Yeah, man. If the devil's after you, you gotta go where it isn't. Sausalito. Why is he on the devil?

Why is he in Sausalito? He's beautiful. Have you ever been? I know, but the devil would love to go. That's where they gave you a chance. Well, Cecilia said that her multiple personalities were a result of her occult programming, which started when her father, the villainous Mr. Brand, buried her alive in a coffin with a small pipe sticking out of the ground for air She also claimed that he tied her up with the dogs and made her live like a dog for three weeks

Honestly, I could live like cart me for three weeks. No, yeah Taking care of the little blanket set out. That's actually kind of nice. You know he puts it out being like you see I made chicken My little puppy wants some chicken as well Take her to the spa Carmen goes to the spa. He gets all that should take care of she's lucky little girl I could live like Rambo for a little while. Oh, yeah get carried walking. Oh, yeah As far as Cecilia's so-called biological mother went, the Satanic witch Elise, Cecilia said that she had control over her hundreds of personalities which helped keep them all in check.

This, Cecilia said, was Elise's maternal right. But out of the blue one day, Cecilia told Rhea that the Satanic Church had decided to ritually sacrifice her witch mother Elise because they really wanted to sacrifice Cecilia but couldn't get to her for some reason. So they were going to sacrifice her mother in her place. This is like what's going on in Ukraine. Proxy war. But nothing, Elise is fine. Well, Elise doesn't exist. No, Elise is not real. Never was.

Remember Elise is the pic. Remember she showed the picture of the woman from blade and this is Elise. Oh, yeah, Elise doesn't exist at all Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, no actual mother Lady yeah, literally cuts back to the two of them. He's on the gutter. She's making a quilt just being like oh She always had such a colorful imagination. This is her favorite color blood red She always said that we were the devil's parents. I always thought it was just a slang term. But either way, tell her we say hi. She coming home for Christmas.

Now while the so-called execution was taking place, burnt at the stake by the way, Cecilia writhed on the floor while crying and convulsing because she said that her soul had astral traveled to witness Elise's execution. This gave Cecilia's story a little dramatic give and take because she could then say that she should have never left the church, which required Rhea to console her and tell her that no no no, you did the right thing by coming to me and I can save you. Yeah, because Rhea's like, this is all- Rhea has the biggest fucking god complex, biggest savior complex of any person I've ever come across. I know that she was heavily embarrassed and she does actually view herself as the, truly

like the source of all of the problems here. She was like betrayed by all of these people, but Rhea really didn't help. No. Rhea really went in there and at her beck and call, she made her feel exactly fine and correct about all of her decisions and put aside her entire life to help Cecilia. And I do believe the reason why is because she thought at the end she'd get a big old book out of it. I think that she thought that she'd looked at Sybil and she looked at these other things. And I'm pretty certain she viewed herself

as like the other big Christian celebrities that were coming out about, like earlier, but she would be one of them, where she would be almost like, like I'm trying to think of the famous- Like an Ed and Lorraine Warren, but- Style, yes, but for Christ. Yeah.

It seems, however, that the ultimate goal here, when it comes to killing off the mother and saying that You know all the maternal rights over all of the Cecilia's personalities have now been given a Ria It seems like this is like a transfer of a little authority to Ria because it seems like Cecilia was very aware of the need To give Ria just a little bit of power. She knows how to play each person in this circle. She knew that Rhea needed to have the tiniest bit of control over what was happening here. So Cecilia's like, okay, you can have this over me.

But the thing is that she's not giving her any control at all because she's just giving her control over something that doesn't exist. Cecilia told Rhea that when a satanic witch is sacrificed, she is able to bequeath her powers to someone else. And Elise had given Rhea matriarchal rights over Cecilia's multiple personalities. After that, all of Cecilia's personalities would call Rhea mama, and Rhea had a bit of control. Ugh.

And she loved it. She just loved this feeling. Like they all like this is You got to be careful about setting yourself up for They asked for it and it came mm-hmm They wanted a witch to come that they could fix and it came yeah, and this is the problem is that it? Completes the cycle of their own delusion. Yeah, but it's yeah That's the problem is that the person who shows up is gonna be fucked up and extremely chaotic And they could they're also because you're asking for a certain parameter of thing that con person can then completely fit their personality To fit whatever it is that you're talking about like this is I know that more most of our listeners are not into this area of

Belief so that's what's hard to believe. All of this, especially like, and we're listening to Candace, because she's always like, it's the details that Cecily would use that would convince her that it was real. And every one of the details was from a 1980s horror movie. They were not even made up by her.

She was making shit up. Man, and it's just like, if she tried this like ten years earlier even in Africa. They just killed her She waited that's why I also feel like in a way it works because it's now we're in this he could include healing time Mm-hmm. Well everything that Ria was doing for Cecilia, especially financially eventually caught up with her Everything that Rhea was doing for Cecilia, especially financially, eventually caught up with her. Rhea lost her apartment in Florida, the town, and had to move in with the aforementioned school teacher, Marinda Stane, in Krugerstorp. If you'll remember, Marinda had experienced a spiritual awakening at one of Rhea's enrichment

weeks, and had, in the time since, become one of the most ardent believers in Cecilia's tales of Satanism. Now, Merinda had already been married and divorced twice by the time she joined Overcomers through Christ and had come out of her marriages with a girl named Marcel and a boy named LaRue. They were both children when Ria Grunwald and Cecilia Stane, no relation, No relation! came stomping into their lives. If LaRue, let's just say that's one of the best names for a goon.

I've heard it a long time. Like Leroux, take this man away. Like that's great. I can see him with like a slanted hat, like a sugar minute. Short team boss, take her down. You want me to take her down to the basement there, boss? Pushes his bowler hat forward. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, I'll take her boss. You want to go down to the swamp there? Now as far as Cecilia's children went, she'd been pregnant with her second child when she met Rhea, and in January of 2008, Cecilia gave birth, bragging that her child was descended from the werewolf bloodline of the Satanic Church and would eventually be taught to walk on all fours and eat from a bowl like a dog. This is completely real. So she said to get her used to the wolf slash dog lifestyle that she's got to get used to,

which is first of all, you have to Yeah, but like that's werewolf lifestyle. Yeah, that's how you know when you do when you meet another Hard to cross your paw pads like that it is so so hard my little my home get my little middles It's the middle is over, but she used to because when her protein low she turned into a werewolf So whenever her protein was though they had to run out and get her meat Like jerky or whatever so that she would get not turn into a werewolf doesn't really make sense Yeah, I don't mean to poke holes I guess maybe she that's the thing is that if her protein was low she would become a werewolf So she would so she would be forced to go get protein

Yeah, it's a there's a logic behind all this of. And also making your kid walk on all fours and eat out of a bowl on the ground, that's bad? No, it's not, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Eddie, not at all. Most kids are crazy. Yeah, because I love my parents. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Andrew, do you want to talk about

where they got their werewolf ideas from? This is the part of me that, this is when I literally almost threw my iPhone across the room. As I was listening to the show, Candace does this big roll up where she's like, so soon after her child was born, she showed us one of the most terrifying movies we had seen up until that point. She'd shown us hundreds of horror films and I hated each one but this was the worst because she said I want to show

you the only time that Hollywood has allowed a real werewolf transformation to be filmed with one of their sacred members of the occult. The lead actor is a member of the occult, and he is himself a werewolf. And this is exactly what she goes through, and she goes into the other bedroom to change into her werewolf status at night. She sat down and she showed us.

I shudder even thinking about it to this day. It was the 2010 film, The Wolf Man, with Benicio del Toro. And that movie to this day makes me shudder if I see the cover of it. And when she said that, I was like, what? This is what, and she says, yes, that that was in her, Cecilia was like, right here! This is the first time anyone's ever filmed my transformation.

And it's happening right now. And the Benicio del Toro is a werewolf. And they all sat and watched it together, and they all cried. They all cried in fear, being like like you go through this each time Do you think they watch the whole movie because it's awful The worst wolf man movie ever made I guess that's also what makes it This is the Halloween time is 31 for 31 I wouldn't even think of putting the Benicio del Toro wolf man on a single 31 for 31 Why the living fuck would you waste your time like that? Why do they make the film?

Yeah, use them an American werewolf in London There's so many other ones gender snaps even wolf in Fucking silver bullet. I'd say even the jack wolf the howling. Yeah, there's so many others Even the jack wolf the howling yeah, there's so many others You get angry thinking about it because I love the wolf man She would show them like an endless amount of horror movies and and tell them like these are these are coded These are this their Hollywood. It's the same shit that they say now was that Hollywood is showing you what they really do They're taunting you with what they really do And it was yeah, and so they'd watch horror movies

and think they were fucking real. And guess what, ladies and gentlemen? It's true. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha horror movie Yeah, you know someone actually reached out to me this weekend and asked me if you'd be willing to do their horror movie for free Something else directed by Jeremy Gardner So I was in one horror film. Uh-huh. And did you get any of that like Hollywood like feeling from you know the Satanism? We shot him for Trouble movie. He was I was actually a trouble movie too. Yeah, you were in a Shakespeare shitstorm. I was Same as well. I was also while I was in the other one. I was in return to Newcomb High, too

That's cool turn to return return to return. My wife is also in the caroling was also in return to Newcomb High, too Yeah, yeah, she kept her clothes on. Yes. She did that's respectable Well in reality, Cecilia barely interacted with her children at all. She never played with them and mostly bought them toys and candy to get her to leave her alone so she could cosplay as a Satanist. It cannot be expressed enough that she was just like a white trash. That's the only way to really describe the center of all this. She really is just this like piece of shit Yeah, bad parent lump mooch on all of these people She is I would say honestly close to worst roommate of all time

Worst roommate of all time did it's else is gonna be pretty bad. Yeah, I'm gonna be real bad real bad Worst roommate of all time. Dennis Nelson's gonna be pretty bad. Yeah. Jeffrey Dahmer's gonna be real bad. Real bad. He had a roommate? No. I'm just saying if.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just trying to think who's the worst, who had roommates? Oh, yeah, yeah. Because she had roommates. Yes. She did, I thought. That's all the world living together. Well, we'll get to that here in a second.

Okay, okay. But that cosplaying was about to truly get out of hand, and it would take the combined efforts of Cecilia, Rhea, and the schoolteacher, Marinda Stane, to take this mess to the next level. Together, the three of them developed a training course as a sort of spin-off from overcomers through Christ. This course, which was an even more fundamentalist version of the occult training courses Rhea had been doing with her enrichment weeks was called Know Your Enemy. Made up mostly of what Cecilia had told Rhea about the supposed inner workings of the Satanic

Church, Know Your Enemy was supplemented with verses from the Satanic Bible, a copy of which that Cecilia just happened to own. Which you can buy on Amazon. It's not a forbidden tome. You can just buy it. Yeah, and it's not an evil, it's not a particularly evil book either. No, it's secular humanism mixed with edgelord humor. Yeah.

Well the course was also informed by Cecilia's encyclopedic knowledge of serial killers like Dahmer, Gacy, Bundy, and of course, David Berkowitz. And Berkowitz had of course been connected to all sorts of satanic activity thanks to conspiracy theorist Maury Terry. She probably- Dogs! Oh yes! Yeah. She probably read that book.

The Ultimate Evil? Absolutely. I'm more than certain she read that book. This is directly... Just remember that each all of these, because it's later on, each one of them has been helped. Each one of these pieces of material helped Cecilia do this. While developing the Know Your Enemy course, Rhea spent most of her days with

Cecilia, and eventually Rhea moved into Cecilia's apartment. Rhea slept in the main bedroom, again, giving her a little bit of power, while Cecilia slept in one of her kids' beds. But Cecilia's husband just slept in the guest bedroom, stayed the fuck out of it. That man is the power of a man to ignore things. I just cannot state just how deeply powerful that is, how a man doesn't have to engage, and he will, the whole apartment could have burned down. This is my space. There's a cube, a man can build a cube around their head in which nothing enters.

It's incredible. Later tonight, I will put the dishes outside the door. You will grab them. Yeah. Yeah. The first Know Your Enemy seminars were held in Kruger's door within the boundaries that Cecilia said were set by the malicious Mr. Bran.

Whose house is it? God's house. Yeah, that's how it always started, you know. Well, at first, each one attracted about 25 people, and eventually, the Know Your Enemy course grew to become 13 weeks long, with weekly meetings lasting two hours each. But to attract the rubes, Know Your Enemy had to start off with a bang. In the first presentation, in which Cecilia was going to give all her inside knowledge as a former Satanist, she feigned an attack from Satanic forces and had to be escorted offstage by Miranda. James Brown. Yeah. Come throw the fucking cape over her and be like, what's wrong? Where to I?

But since No Your Enemy was short on funds in the beginning because Cecilia was such a financial drain on Rhea, they held their meetings at any place that wouldn't charge them money, including bafflingly, AA meetings. Dude, no man, trap it right on there, man. I will say though, I feel like once you do the AA meeting and then you go to Know Your Enemy meeting, I feel like you're gonna want a drink. Yeah. Because if you're fighting the devil, you gotta be kind of half-sauced. Yeah, a little bit. Well I see you took care of that herself Oh, yeah, but I don't think I don't think fighting the devil's a fucking force over people

Hmm most good priests. They gotta get a little little tipple on them. Yeah, there's a lot of those movies Yeah, the priest always does bring up a little flask and takes a little hit before he goes in got to man I gotta get loosened up devil fucking devils fucking tricky man Yeah, oh father McNally needs go go But when know your enemy began receiving a fair amount of donations from the Kruger's Dorp fundamentalists Ria was able to get her own apartment again Although it was still just 200 meters from Cecilia's apartment. And Rhea was like, thank you, Lord,

and all the 200 people were like, what about the, we gave that. Now obviously everything Cecilia told Rhea, it's wildly fascinating, even knowing that it's fake. But to the people who thought it was real, the information imparted during Know Your Enemy meetings was confirmation of everything they'd feared. And since Cecilia was telling a damn good story, Know Your Enemy quickly grew in size.

That's kind of like a hate rally or like a Trump rally where you go because it feels good to go hate on a bunch of things because you know like this it's on the offense. You know what I mean? Going against the devil. So like that's very inspiring. Like you go and it gives you something to do Well, it means you feel like you're a part of an army Well, you get to also that's the thing is you get to hate something and you get to that Well, that's the thing you get to ignore the rest of your life of course, like, you know, I can't go to the gym today

I gotta go fight the devil the devil's out there. He's not he's not on the treadmill. Yeah Yes, he is As bigger boys we know for a fact that the devil is he's in that chocolate cake Once people really started showing up Ria began putting together a comprehensive training manual on how to resist satanic forces Ria however felt that Cecilia was more qualified to write it, so she passed the work on to her. This fucking bitch, because she thinks that legitimately, she thinks that she's in control. Rhea thinks she's in control, but at the same time like, then you think that you can just

off-source your work. It's a thing, not surprisingly, Cecilia didn't feel like doing it, so she passed on the work to Candace. As a result, most of the information in the Know Your Enemy training manuals came from Candace copying and pasting information about resisting Satanic forces that had already been posted on the internet. And everybody knows that the devil doesn't like Subway's tuna sandwiches. The bad, the worst sandwiches, and we all know that. and we all know that and we also know that the devil, not she, but the devil hates when they're late for their massages so you better

get her to their massages as fast as she needs to get there. And the devil hates werewolves. Which I didn't know for a while. I thought that the werewolf and the devil would be on the same team but then werewolves say they're not. That's not true. Dead werewolves can't lie. To be honest I'm not even sure how they can talk. Minute forty-six of the podcast. Hours of it.

Hours. Well what's so interesting about these courses though is that they weren't just attended by worrywark Christians They also attracted wannabe Satanists who wanted to learn how to become one of these infamous Satanic high priests Which didn't exist in the first place? All these They're being like, it's awesome. Each time they say some, fuck yeah, dude. That was like me in dare class. What do the little green ones do? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How about the other? How about the blue ones? What do those do? Yeah, really? He's like writing them all down. So ironically, Rhea was actually helping to create the very thing she was trying to destroy. It's almost like it didn't exist in the first place. It didn't. It's the only thing that ever fucking existed with the fake stuff of it. Yeah, although I'm pretty sure that after attending these meetings these aspirant satanic high priests got bored and just moved on to something else. The Andford. But out of all the people who came there were some who stayed to become a more active part of the organization

and it was these people who would make up the murderous cult that Cecilia would soon command. The two main members were 25-year-old Zach Valentine and his 21-year-old future wife, Michaela. Zach and Michaela were extra-normal people when they joined Know Your Enemy, working respectively as an insurance broker and a travel agent. Cannot be stressed how fucking regular these people are. How can you... Is there a term for being so boring?

That you can be weaponized Hmm like what is the term for being like like a you're such a blank slate that you've just been waiting For someone to come and tell you to do something really fucked up Well, you're waiting for someone to come along and make you interesting. Well, that's what all of this is Yeah, all of this is these guys all believing that They like snow town like I'm really looking the differences between the two right where snow town was never an official cult It was more of like a loose grouping and a lot of it was done socially for various reasons But it's it's hard to really even describe what went on in snow town

We're like something like this like these guys were all waiting for a purpose I guess the Snowtown people were also in a way they believe that they were waiting for a purpose Of course, she's the travel agent who the fuck uses one of those I actually feel like a travel agent It's also got to be a job filled with jealousy Because all you do is book people at your work like they get to go to Cabo and they get to go to Southern France and they go to Little Edward Island and they go all these amazing places

they all take their their big private planes from New York down to Little Edward Island and wonderful incredible people like Bill Clinton and Trump and fucking Bill Nye the Science Guy Trump and fucking Bill Nye the Science Guy They're on the plane and this wonderful guy named Jeff, and he's the funniest guy Well just before Zach and Michaela got married in November of 2010 almost a year after they began attending know your enemy courses Rhea Grunewald suggested that before they bond their souls together, they should schedule a private appointment with Cecilia Stain to make sure they were both free from curses and demons. Coincidentally, Zach already knew Cecilia from a church they'd both attended in the past, which either didn't set off any alarm bells for the naive Zach Valentine, or it

was explained away by Cecilia with a quick lie. Hey, the last time I saw you, you were saying that the devil made you lactose intolerant. And she'd be like, yes he was for a while, but now it just does my hair. But either way, Zach and Michaela Valentine were quickly brought into Cecilia's immediate sphere of influence. These two people are so fucking gullible. Now after Know Your Enemy became a success, Rhea wanted to expand it to include a more positive but infinitely more boring course called Know Your Savior. She did not, however, consult with Cecilia before doing so, and this introduced the first

crack in their relationship. See, Cecilia had been playing with Rhea for years by this point, and in order to fully manipulate her, she'd put tabs on her supposed protector. In addition to putting a tracking device on Rhea's car, Cecilia had also gained access to Rhea's email. These two tactics together allowed Cecilia to make the Satanic Church seem omnipotent. One of the big factors that also doesn't come up in the book, I find that the book cut out stuff specifically because it made the story less believable, even though it happened. Like the werewolf stuff got cut out largely in the astral projection stuff with Cecilia.

Oh, that's just projection stuff. That is a fair amount of that in the book. But that's all, that's mostly Candace's proof that she had powers, was that she would be able to say things that other people knew while she was astral projecting, but it seemed to largely have to do with Having tracking devices and reading people's emails. Yeah, and that was it makes you super psychic

Pretty great Rhea. However, wasn't the only person Cecilia played with Cecilia began catfishing her friends Dude, this is also a whole side. Yeah, this is crazy Dude, this is also wild. This is a whole side quest. Yeah, this is crazy. She catfished Candice, Marinda, and Marinda's two kids, LaRue and Marcel. She would use pictures of models, and these models would reach out to these people and claim that they were trapped in the Satanic Church and had no way out, lest both they and the person they were messaging with be killed. So these people just had no connection to the outside world at all.

No. Their world is getting smaller and smaller all the time. Yes. Now as with most catfishes, all these fake personalities made excuses as to why they could never talk on the phone or meet in person, usually by saying that satanic witches were trailing them and they couldn't risk blowing their cover by talking to Christians. And I can't make them know that I feel erotic feelings by kissing you in public, which is why we can only kiss in private. The most egregious catfish, however, involved the school teacher, Marinda, who believed that she was dating a Satanist named John, reluctant Satanist. After a few weeks of texting, Marinda professed her love, and this fake relationship between

Marinda and Cecilia posing as John, it continued for two fucking years. Two years. And this is alongside all the other games Cecilia's playing within this group. Keep it all, it's like the one guy, the... The super soccer. Yeah, yeah. The horrible super soccer from the worst roommates ever from that show the first season.

Yes. Yes, it's cause they have no job. Yeah. And they have nothing to do all day this is the this is who you're up against on the internet this is what we all have to remember yeah with people like on reddit and all this kind of stuff when you're up against somebody that has a swindler that's who I'm gonna win or exactly when you're up picking somebody that has literally nothing but time to sit and think about ways to fuck with you after they already have you on the hook

That's fucking you can't win Literally her job. Yeah, she's stealing from all these people Fucking yeah Lesson here is that treat things like your job if they're your job She got every every day and she's like, how do I scam harder today? Yeah, I mean, she's in essence a criminal. Oh yes.

Very much so. Well finally though, Cecilia got bored and killed off the John character just to watch Miranda suffer. And suffer she did, so intensely that she had to be taken to a trauma ward. Privately, Cecilia laughed about how thoroughly she tricked her supposed friend. Who did she had to be taken to a trauma ward. Privately, Cecilia laughed about how thoroughly she'd tricked her supposed friend.

Who did she laugh to? Honestly, to myself. That's all I need. The bartender, I guess? I remember one time, I convinced her so hard that I could eat her pussy through the phone that she put the pussy, put her phone up against her pussy, right?

That shit was fucking crazy dog Yeah, her clit almost popped off. Yeah, I just called her over and over again. Yeah I said sit on it like I learned it from private parts. Yeah, it's like I thought you used to be an overcomer I didn't know you still were more of an undercomer Well, uh Cecilia would brag about it to Candice Well, she wouldn't brag necessarily, but she would laugh at Marinda being in pain, you know, she wouldn't laugh and say like I was the one who did it But she would see Marinda in pain. She like

Then she could also blame it on like oh, that's one of my personalities or oh that's but just because that's my satanic programming I think I began and I forgot Marcus was because a thing that also came up that I forgot in the research Was that what she would do is she would blame her multiple personalities and every single time she had an issue She would play the song her favorite song of all time shaggy's it wasn't me and she She would have the chorus to it wasn't me. Mm-hmm. Oh like she'd play it all The time and she'd sing it all the time So whenever she fucking any single time she ran into trouble she'd act like a blue like a baby and go no

No, I mean just baby baby, but then it turns into like it wasn't me I can read it wasn't me. I can read the chorus for you. You could read it in a A. Honey came in and she caught me red handed creeping with the girl next door. Picture this. We were both butt naked banging on the bathroom floor. How could I forget that I had given her an extra key all this time she was standing there. She never took her eyes off me it wasn't me also banging on the sofa and had her in the shower caught me on camera marks on my shoulder a lot of words I told her the screams getting louder she stayed until it was over it wasn't me but still like that's just that's all scratched up this

is all circumstantial it's circumstantial evidence it will not hold up But still like that's just that's all scratched up It will not hold up at court that's the only good joke from naked gum 33 and a third The pretty much everyone in Cecilia's orbit was texted either by a Satanist wanting to leave the church or a Satanist who was threatening them. Sometimes Cecilia would even extort money from her friends while posing as a Satanist, even though both Rhea and Candace were still giving Cecilia most of their income. Eventually though, Candace moved in with a mutual friend named Lucia, who saw through Cecilia's bullshit completely. Lucia told Candace that Cecilia was a liar, she was nowhere near as sick as she claimed, and she was just using Candace for her money.

Candace refused to believe it at first, but she soon after got a text from her catfish Satanist, a character named Wesley, asking for money. Wesley said, as many catfishers do do that he needed money for clothes. I didn't took my clothes I will need a new phone because they didn't like the androids So he took my Android. Yes, and I need new bedding my bedding has been destroyed by Satan I need a new pillow Satan took it and my towels Please buy me towels if you could if I send you money, I'm gonna send you $5,000 I want I'm gonna need you to do is pay me back $10,000 but then what I'm gonna need you to do is pay me back $10,000. But then what I'm gonna do then is pay you $25,000.

But first of all, I'm gonna need you to send me some towels. You know, Satan's really into lobster rolls. He's crazy into lobster rolls. Satan actually really wanted to try the new Coke Zero Oreo flavored, if you could maybe leave some as well. Well, still believing the lie Candace gave Cecilia the money to pass on to the character Wesley because Cecilia could apparently still talk to Satanist where no one else could and Sure enough the next time Candace went over to Cecilia's apartment

She found that Cecilia suddenly had brand new expensive linens and so thanks to Lucia's persistence brand new expensive linens. And so, thanks to Lucia's persistence, Candace finally started distancing herself from Cecilia. Cecilia, of course, caught on and tried to get her back, saying that the Satanic Church was behind this attempt to pull them apart. Candace, however, fortunately for her, broke contact entirely in 2010 and avoided all of the awful things to come. Yeah, Candace goes on to say in her podcast that they never had a lesbian relationship,

that all of that was conjured up by Cecilia. Same thing with the Rhea lesbian relationships. She said that was conjured up by Cecilia. She said that they were, honestly, and it kind of makes sense a little bit of why she didn't stay, because I do think if they were slapping clams, they would have maybe, she would have had

more of a reason to stay versus this, where they were slapping clams, they would have maybe she would have had more of a reason to stay Versus this where they were still friends and it was just the stupidest friendship of all time And I think eventually she just needed to leave because it like according to her. It was a slow very very slow Pull-out. I mean it was they were four years four years. That's a Candace put up with a ship with Cecilia Yeah, but I think also like Candace Candace seems a little What she says she goes along to get along? Yeah, that's that's just can you do that terminally? Yes Every day millions of people die when people go along to get along Oh, she wants to fame from it, but wants to, you know, none of it to be true.

She kind of, I think that she was sort of like made to talk. She got into talking about it because she was trying to deal with her quote unquote own trauma. But I actually find it interesting of like, it must feel extremely bad to be taken in by somebody that of that, in that level of being dumb. Oh, Candace is abs- I I mean she's very gullible but She's also a victim. Yeah, I mean like thankfully she didn't commit any murders which makes her a victim technically So and she just got her money taken so that way she can be thankful But it's hard because I say one half of it's the sunken fallacy thing of like you mad how much time you gave to this Werewolf, but then on the other half, you thought she was a werewolf, girl. Yeah.

That should have been first thing. Now with Candace gone, Cecilia had another villain, except now, for the first time, this was a person that everyone knew, which made everything feel that much more real. You could put a face to the fucking situation. One of their own had betrayed them, the first of many many and it was all because they'd fallen under the influence Of the Satanic Church. Well, she did start wearing tighter shirts. Yeah. Oh, yes

Yes, cuz Candice started wearing tighter shirts because Cecilia would always wear very baggy shirts. Oh, did she put weight on? No, no, no, no, she just said that her own personal preferences. She's under dressing quote-unquote normal again Oh, okay, so people thought that she was being sexual. Hmm. Now, about a month after Candace left, Rhea Grunwald's brother died from a terminal illness, and she began to reconnect with her family. And after seeing how much time and money Rhea was spending on Cecilia, her family convinced her that maybe this weird former Satanist wasn't a good person to have in her life.

So Rhea decided to put more effort into her Know Your Enemy, Know Your Savior courses. This of course meant less time and money going towards Cecilia's so-called health problems and her private battles with the Satanic Church. But just as Rhea was pulling away, Marinda, the school teacher, was getting closer to Cecilia. And that was a feature, not a bug. She purposely was setting up the next group. In 2011, Marinda and her children, that's Marcel and LaRue, they moved into the apartment

complex next to Cecilia's, and Cecilia convinced Marinda to put her daughter Marcel in Cecilia's service. At just 14 years old, Marcel was put in charge of raising Cecilia's young children aged three and five She also would cook for Cecilia and clean her apartment This is awesome Yeah, she was a servant and since they were hanging out so much Marcel and Cecilia as well as Marcel's 16 year old brother LaRue They all started doing coke together. It's wild. I Candice said something that also I found very illuminating was that it seemed that

Cecilia during this time period was collecting people that could be useful to her. Yeah. That people were outside. There were chefs, obviously. There were also people that were like, one of them was a, uh, worked in accountants. The other would like, so she ended up like one ended up being a nurse. So what she did was use all of them as her own personal staff. Yeah.

And that was kind of like, that's like the first thing, my first hook in of like, so that's the practical reason she wanted a cult, which she kind of wanted a bunch of people to wait on her hand and foot. Yes. Yeah, but if the cook's a 14 year old, the food's gotta be awful.

Hey man, I saw Master Chef's Junior. You never know. Cecilia had also convinced Miranda, as well as four other people close to her, to leave their various churches, because Cecilia said that the leaders of large churches were all involved in the occult. And so once Cecilia really dug her claws into a handful of overcomers, she decided it was time to start her own Christian ministry, especially after she lost control of Candice and Rhea. This ministry, Cecilia's own little boutique cult,

was called Electus Perdaeus, meaning chosen by God in Latin, and Cecilia elected herself as leader. Oh, wow! Good for her! Among a few others, Electus Perdaeus was made up of the naive Zach and Michaela Valentine, a couple named Juanita and Charles Truder, and three women named Amber Dupreeze, Melanie Vander Merva, and Natasha Berger. Cecilia's most ardent follower, however, was Marinda Stain, who isolated herself and her two teenage children from all their friends and family,

and shit got weird and demanding almost immediately. Do you know, like we talked about this the last time, where it's like that idea of being overly familiar. Why do some people react well to it and some people don't? Like why is this idea of having this busy body come in your life? Why does, why do some people- Because no one else gives a shit about them. Is that what it is?

But she did have people who cared about her. But Marinda had people who cared about her. They had her own kids and she had family. She had people outside of this. They had their own church. Like, what is it about people that like this type of highly needy, like... It's a succubus thing, isn't it?

Some kind of... I think what it is, it's like, it's the same sort of thing that you see with Trump, but with the genders reversed. It's the strongman thing Yeah, sure. It's like it's it's someone's gonna tell them what to do. It's in and life is easier that way That's what Candice said Candice said it in her own way where she was like it was kind of a relief because she didn't have to choose how to She's kind of nice cuz enough to think about what to wear in the morning And you're like that little simple thought you just said

is literally like, so you gave up your will to another human being, which is obviously what she's working all out of. Like she's in therapy working on it. Really makes me miss the days of Yonker Donker. I know. Sometimes I wonder, will they ever bring back Pina Colada Donky Yonkers?

I don't know if they will. Well, while Know Your Enemy and Overcomers Through Christ had been more educational, Cecilia immediately made Electus Perdaeus more action-oriented, focusing on the deliverance and rescue of victims of the occult. The problem was that the so-called victims didn't exist, and Cecilia had to keep raising the stakes somehow. So it was only a matter of time before the focus of Electus Perdaeus would fall on the only other people they knew in the Satan game. Overcomers through Christ. Now most of the Electus Perdaeus members got Electus Perdaeus tattoos immediately. Cool.

With some just getting the words, and other choosing a Celtic knot with the words tattooed inside the circle like Casey Anthony I will say it's the best name so far Alexis per day. Yes. Yeah, it's out of overcomers through Christ and know your enemy Yeah, yeah, like this per day. Yes, it sounds it's I meant to think woman knows how to brand. Yeah, the tattoos However were too much for some of the early members. Melanie van der Merwe left almost immediately and I think got out of the whole anti-Satanist scene altogether. I think it's probably a good time to just be like, I think I could go, I could just go get it to cupcakes or food trucks.

Yeah, I could just go to church every Sunday and I think that'll be fine. But Natasha Berger returned to Ria Grunwald and the overcomers through Christ. This would prove to be a fatal decision. Like Charles Manson, Cecilia fed her cult illicit drugs in order to better control them. But while Manson used acid, Cecilia used a much more unpredictable drug, meth. And the group would smoke about 400 bucks worth of meth every week you ever see that you ever read that allegorical story when Jesus turned meth It was like baby powder, but then he turned everyone got mad at him

They're like what you ruin the meth so we turn it back in the mouth. Yeah, yeah, you know what's wrong me. That's awesome Yeah, no if I remember wasn't Peter the Apostle like a huge method Oh, yeah, dude Peter had fucking his whole thing was that he'd do anal for money Math he was gay for pay I need get money for the math and then he would and then Jesus would multiply it. Yeah, and then he walked on whiskey Like I've been wondering honestly, I missed that little tidbit I was like what tournament of murder and then it's like yeah Meth, yeah, we'll do it. Yeah, I don't know if $400 a week is a lot of meth. I have no idea. It might not be a lot of meth I don't know. Side stories LPOTL at gmail.com

I wonder what the meth in Krugerdorp is like as opposed to you know Boise, Iowa Yeah, actually wonder do you think they have better meth in South Africa? I think America has the best meth in the world. We have that we better have the fucking best meth. We're being very American centric. We might be we might be I don't know there could be some good. The old country in great meth empire. If you do meth in South Africa, please write in. Side stories lpo.com. No we're not the devils in the world, in the radio, we are people. I hear Eastern Europe has incredible meth. I hope so, for their sake.

Well after getting everyone good and paranoid, Cecilia continued using prepaid phones posing as various satanic witch personalities to scare every Electus Pradeus member into thinking they were in constant danger. And the best part about the meth is that you don't have to be as good at all the different voices. How did she keep the phones right that you don't have to be as good at all the different voices. How did you keep the phones right? Because she must have like 15 phones. It was her only thing.

It was the only thing she had to do all day long. Yeah. Cecilia, however, turned the messages into a positive, saying that if they were getting threatening messages, then that meant that they were on the right path. But even so, Electus Perdaeus continued to shed members, and Charles and Juanita Truder left... Charles Truder is the worst fucking name I've ever heard in my life. It's Charles!

You'll emilio! Yes, I am a slug's head, but I still unfortunately have the blood and body of a man. I'm named after my gnarled vagina. They left in June of 2011. See, Cecilia had officiated Charles and Juanita's wedding, and the abrasive Cecilia had rubbed Charles' family the wrong way. It's just the way she acts. I could tell about this. She reminds me of someone we used to work with a long time ago where they were just so brilliant and all they did was like,

I get to see her laughing and smoking and giving a werewolf ceremony where they're talking about fucking meat. I don't know what you do in a werewolf wedding ceremony. Charles and Juanita is like Bonnie and Clyde if it was only in Whataburger Drive-Thru. He's been sitting on it. Well, listening to family, just like Rhea had, Charles left with his wife and even tried getting Zach and Michaela to leave with them.

They declined, mostly due to what Cecilia was telling them about people who left Electus Perdaeus. The exodus of so many people from this small group was not because of Cecilia or anything she did or how she acted, nothing like that, but because of the incredible power of the demonic Mr. Brand. Yes! I created a groupon where they all get tickets to have a wonderful bus tour of the central states of Canada.

Yeah, the most diabolical, most boring vacation. You cannot resist a group bus ride through central Canada. Well, Cecilia said that Mr. Brand had brainwashed all of them into not only leaving, but into becoming murderers on his behalf. So everyone that left was not only now a Satanist, they were also a murderer, and they were very, very dangerous. That's what Cecilia is telling everyone, is that everything outside of this room that we're in right now is extremely dangerous and life-threatening, and even inside

this room they can also still get to me, so you have to protect me at all times. Yeah, but as soon as this meeting's over, everything's fine, and you're just gonna go home and nothing's gonna happen. It is kind of like that. But they're also on meth, and they're imagining that around every corner is a Satanist that's high, every shadow, every car that might take the same route as them, all that, it's all Satanists. And they're also getting text messages when they go home from Satanists, supposed Satanists saying, I'm gonna come kill you, you're dead, all that shit. They're on meth, are they fucking all the time? No, they're family. Well, they would have, according to Candace.

Well, Candace left before the meth but afterwards she was saying that they were beginning to have the sexual Threesome step Marinda was having sex with Cecilia and then they brought in another dude and they were having threesomes But I don't know I see I prefer I wish this sex wouldn't get involved because I think it's kind of nice to have a family Can do something together Because it's so hard. You know like if you're having a big methodology and your son's there. It's not fucking that fun Yeah, I guess unless everybody's on methamphetamine. I've never done drugs with my mother Yeah, just wonder what that be like we wouldn't do meth, but you know we would drink yeah I've taken my mom's 500 mg Motrens before. Hell yeah.

That's fun. Now by the end of 2011, Marinda and her children were brought even further into Cecilia's orbit. Marinda moved into Cecilia's building, taking an apartment on the floor above. Marinda then forbade her children, LaRue and Marcel, from speaking to anyone outside of Electus Perdaeus, because she truly believed that agents of Satan were constantly trying to get to Cecilia, and by extension, the rest of the cult. Cecilia then had Zach Valentine sign over all his income to Electus Perdaeus, partly because she just wanted the money, because remember, Cecilia and Candice, they're gone, and partly to bolster a lie that would eventually motivate the cult

to commit their first murders. When do you think murder entered her mind? Math. Just math? I don't think until later. When they realize like, oh we're just going to murder now. I think this is going to give us purpose. We're about to start the escalation, but I think it didn't... I don't think murder entered her mind until

she felt that murder was the only thing left to escalate to. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, no one has died yet. Not yet. Not yet. Cecilia told Electus Perdaeus that Zach's money was going towards an orphanage in America that housed Zach's money was going towards an orphanage in America that housed 200 children who had been abandoned by Satanists who didn't want their children to suffer the indignities of being raised amidst Satanic rituals and sacrifices. That's making sense. So the idea was self-hating Satanists?

It was Satanists who didn't, they were Satanists, because that was always the thing that she could say is that Satanists, all Satanists want to get out, but they can't get out. Because they're held in because of family bonds and because they are made to deal with the devil. Oh no, if they leave they'll die. Yes. For various reasons. If they leave they'll be killed, so every Satanist, it's like Schrodinger's Satanist.

But she left! She was so powerful they allowed her to leave. She's a 42nd generation Satanic witch, werewolf. Werewolf. Oh. You idiot. Yeah, so she can leave but like lower Satanists, they're both, that's the thing, they're both evil Satanists who want to kill you and also lost souls who want to leave all at the same time always. It's all, I know it's probably, I know a lot of you listening might be like confused at times but that's because Cecilia purposefully made it confusing. Yes. Like she wanted to make sure everyone was off balance at all times.

Well it's also supposed to feel legitimate. Yeah. You know what I mean? So the idea is that we are slowly adding detail and doing all these things to make it legitimate. But also, again, math. Yeah. Yeah, and she could also, if she makes things confusing,

that also allows her to be condescending towards people who ask her questions. Like, ha ha ha, you don't understand. That's how she always was. She was like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like,

she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, she was like she's turpene- she honestly she is I think that's a massive word for her is she fucking condescending she's so fucking annoying when you see her talking to these cops she's such a fucking annoying bitch god I hate her yeah she's awful well about the orphanage because this orphanage lie this is a very very big part of what happens with Electus Perdaeus. She said there's 200 kids that were held in this orphanage in America, but Electus Perdaeus need not worry because Cecilia was communicating with these children through the astral plane, and with Zach's money, she would one day get them to safety.

In reality, Cecilia was depositing all this money in her own bank account. Where it was safe! Yeah, and over a period of three years, Zach would transfer over a hundred grand to Cecilia. What are these people's jobs? Well, it's all their money. Everyone's spent and given this lady so much fucking money. Well, it's a hundred grand over three years, and it's every dime that he made. Oh, God.

Now, it's debatable what Cecilia's motivations were for what she did next, but personally I think she was just trying to start the fight with the overcomers through Christ so she'd have a reason to go after them. I think now she's just so high on her own fucking supply that all she wants to do is kill. See Cecilia ostensibly tried getting back into Ria Grunwald's good graces by offering to buy Ria a new car.

Oh wow! Yeah, probably with Zach's money. Rhea declined the offer and also told Cecilia that she couldn't rejoin the Know Your Enemy slash Savior courses, even after Cecilia begged her. How could she leave her out Cecilia's the draw? But after Cecilia established a rift between herself and the overcomers through Christ, because Rhea had rejected her, she accused Rhea of speaking with Satan and sent her this message. Playtime is over.

This is war. Cecilia then went back to Electus Perdeus and told them that Rhea Grunwald was now playing for Satan's team. Whoa! And they all therefore needed to go to any lengths to help Cecilia safe because if Satan can get to Ria She can get to any anybody because Ria's fucking man her vagina was sealed shut Mary Can't have sex if she even wanted to her pussy was joined

to her pussy was jointed. She was opposite of Moses. Opposite of Moses. She was the opposite of Moses. Starting small to roll her people into something bigger and to test their loyalty, Cecilia began her cult's road to murder with petty acts of vandalism. In February of 2012, Cecilia had her cult members smash and destroy the car of a local pastor named George Nell who had worked closely with Rhea Grunwald and the overcomers through Christ.

It's the only good thing she ever did. So far this is fun. Again, all of this, if this was just shenanigans, if it all was just shenanigans, it'd be different. Well not like Joseph Ritzel's shenanigans. No. Oh yeah. But it'd be different. Yeah.

Well it's the thing is that like when you have shit like this that's just shenanigans, it's just a story that people tell in your be different. Yeah. Well, it's the thing is that like when you have shit like this, it's just shenanigans It's just a story that people tell in your small town Yeah, like you know that those wacky felt like you remember that shit that you happened back in like 2012 and that fucking woman Cecilia convinced all those people like make bombs and shit. Yeah. Yeah, that was funny. Yeah Well after that Cecilia had her people slash the tires of cars belonging to overcomers during their meetings. Terrified, the overcomers changed venues, but Cecilia, acting as her 8-year-old spoiled child personality, Lily, she was waiting for them.

Rhea, separated from Cecilia but still believing her story completely, she was alarmed because the meeting place was out of the bounds of Cecilia's so-called death boundaries that had been set by the heinous Mr. Bran. I just don't fucking get it, because then you'd be like, well then she'll die if she's the enemy and she's getting away, but then you're like oh my god. She's just so powerful Yeah, that's the that's the crazy thing about Ria is that even after she separated from Cecilia? She could never bring herself until everything you know fell apart You know and they were she was fucking charged with 11 murders Yeah, like she was never able to bring herself to think like maybe Cecilia's lying

Oh, yeah She had to she had to believe that Cecilia was real. Because it would discredit every single thing that she did with Rhea. It seems like it's currently falling apart. Oh no, it's going further. Well Cecilia's presence didn't stop Rhea and the Overcomers from continuing their fabricated mission and some members were starting to stand out. Natasha Berger, who had returned to the Overcomers after a brief stint at Electus Perdaeus,

she had been impressing Rhea with her dedication to the cause. Somehow, the Overcomers had got word of the 200 fictitious American orphans, and they believed the story as well. So Natasha would use her lunch breaks to say prayers for the abandoned children of Satanists. These people need shit to do! They need other things to care about! We don't even have orphanages anymore, right? to say prayers for the abandoned children of Satanists. These people need shit to do!

They need other things to care about! We don't even have orphanages anymore, right? No! We throw them in the street! We kill them! We grind them up in the war machine! Okay? Get used to it! You're dumb! At Ria's request, Natasha then spoke about the orphans at the next Know Your Enemy slash Savior meetings and led the group in prayer so God could get the heads up that he needed to

Help some children in America. And what was God like? Oh shit Whoa I didn't know that Oh let me look into that Oh 200 kids I should have done something Whoa gotta go over there there's a hurricane that came out of my butt Saw him flaw with the Damn dog I was sleeping. Oh shit. I guess I could do something but I fucking won't.

There we go. I just, alright, I made another baby with two heads. I never got that fucking concept that you know the more people pray for something the more God is likely to do something about it. Like God is some unemployed asshole who needs to be asked a million times Before he'll fucking get off his ass and do anything like God's a lame duck president who has to look at the polling to decide Remember Cecilia had complete access to Ria's emails, so she knew about Natasha's speaking engagement So Cecilia called Ria the day after in a tizzy and said that she was in the hospital because Natasha's prayers had killed 171 of the 200 children. And that's how you know it's real, because it's a weird number.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does that even mean? Yeah, she killed 171 and it disturbed Cecilia so much that she was now in the hospital. And Cecilia was much she was now in the hospital and Cecilia was Screaming at Rhea according to Cecilia all the children carried death curses and those curses had to be broken Before the children could be prayed for If the curses weren't broken first the prayers would trigger the curses and killed the kids on the spot Yes, I everybody think about me beingses and kill the kids on the spot.

Cecilia then said that the sickness parents parents of those children, they knew what the overcomers had done, and they were coming for Natasha in particular to take their revenge. She's planting a seed of a story here. Now interestingly, even though many members of Electus Perdeus had received hundreds of threatening text messages from so-called Satanists, they didn't bat an eye when Cecilia instructed all of them to text the overcomers pretending to be Satanists, they didn't bat an eye when Cecilia instructed all of them to text the overcomers pretending to be Satanists. Yeah, she's like, well, they're all like, what?

She's like, just don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it. You're thinking about it, don't think about it. And they all did Cecilia's bidding. They focused on the orphan angle, just texting everyone all the time. You killed the orphans, we're coming for you, we're coming for you. Rhea meanwhile, she's finally fucking done with Celia. One night, Celia called and said that she was about to die because a death curse had

been activated, and only Rhea could save her. Rhea called Celia's bluff and was probably not that surprised to hear that Celia was still alive the next day. After that, Rhea broke off all contact and ignored all of Cecilia's texts and calls. Rhea, however, still thought that the Satanic Church was texting the overcomers, and never once thought that if Cecilia had been lying about the death curse, she might have lied about everything. Oh, God, it was just like this, when Candace breaks down about the there was like Some story same thing with the orphanages. That's what she talked about was like the orphanages were like when she was like

There had to have been maybe of all the lies that Cecilia said hey there miss one story That's a bit of a carnal of truth to it As a bit of a condom of truth to it. I'm sitting there like shut the fuck up She's already never said a single truth. Hey, fuck. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It happened to you Candace Yeah, just gotta fucking let go. There's just not kabals of Satanists Ritualistically murdering people it just doesn't go to Hollywood horror nights We're yelling about putting the fucking a bathroom in statue next to the Ten Commandments in the fucking front of a courthouse. We're mostly not even talking. Satanist you mean? Satanist. We're hanging out. You know what? When I hang out with my Satanist friends,

when's the last thing we talk about? Satan. Most of the time, we're just hanging out. It's just like a fuck you to the fucking squares. That's all the point is to be annoying. That's the a point I'm annoying on purpose. I have honed this The Cecilia was outraged that Ria had finally rejected her for good So she told the electus per deus members that they had to provoke fear amongst the overcomers So they would stop the practices that brought death to a hundred and seventy one children in America They had to stop praying for the children. Hey, um, Cecilia, what if we attack the Satanists?

Too powerful. Too powerful. But you're the most powerful Satanist witch werewolf that exists. What if you flip on them? It seems like that would be the ultimate coup. But I'm one Satanist against the whole world of Satanists, and even though I'm a powerful Satanist, I'm not powerful as all the Satanists put together So at Cecile you think if we send them to war they'd be warfans

That's a good way you should flip for them you get rid of them and you can get you kill their families You know and then you have morphins whoa fun Warfans needs to be the name of our daycare Always accepting more children At Cecilia's command the teenage Leroux stain learned how to make bombs off the internet then by the way Leroux stain is a name that does not sound like a name. It is a name Yeah, Leroux stain is like it does it's a little mini Frenchman, it's a goon, building bombs up, being like, you want to do something, something blows up, I believe I can work something

out like that to my friend. I'm not Leroux Stain to my underpinner now. The first bombing, held on July 4th, 2012, was an unqualified failure. That night, during an overcomers meeting, Zach Valentine and Marcel Stain placed bombs somewhat like Molotov cocktails under the cars of a few members. But one of the overcomers smelled gas and saw Zach and Marcel planting the bombs, and they called on all the other overcomers to help chase them away. Rhea however didn't suspect Cecilia at all, and announced that this was proof that the

Satanic Church was finally coming for her. That's all she wanted! This is the problem, is that Rhea is getting what she wants out of this! Yes. But while the first attempt was a wash, Electus Perdaeus' next bombs were far more successful. Using blank ammunition filled with shrapnel and firecrackers, sealed in soda cans, two Electus Pradeus members bombed Rhea's car and damaged it enough where it had to be towed away.

No way! Not the tow truck! And they said they left some like bombs in the yard, like some holes in the yard. I mean they were, if they would have hit people they would have killed them. Yeah, I gotta say it. I'm just saying that it's just funny how bad they can be at being super villains. At first, a few days later, Cecilia convinced this group of Christians

to burn down a fucking church using glass lanterns. Miranda, Zach, Michaela, and Marcel bombed the Lighthouse Gospel Church and left a note on the gate that read Who is going to protect you now Rhea? But then they're all like so we're pretending to be Satanist Super confused in this whole this whole bit. Yeah. No, it's all point is to keep you out balance. Yeah. Whoa. Are you right? Wow? Let's piss on her. I Saved pants. I was supposed to be doing that

Yes, my friend. I think that you just saving up is one of the nicest things. I've heard a man do today Let me see that piece Oh, my favorite little girl. I love her man. The police did get involved here, and the investigators were able to pull a fingerprint from a newspaper wrapped around one of the bomb fragments. It belonged to Marinda Stane, the school teacher, and she was interrogated, but she was only issued a warning and the court case was stricken from the record. See this is where somebody had to be involved

She built a fucking bomb Set it off at a church now It's unclear why or how? Marinda Stain was able to get out of this But it's a pretty safe bet to say that Cecilia's police officer husband got involved and was able to make the whole thing go away Domestic terrorism current or at least long as not in the living room thing go away. I just feel like a speed. Fine honey, I'll do it. Okay, oh, domestic terrorism? All right. Or at least as long as it's not in the living room. I just don't understand where like, that's huge. That's not a, cops like, let's dispel some mysticism about some

police officers. Yeah, they do. They can fudge shit. But you're talking about like lifting cocaine out of an evidence room. You're talking about getting you off on a speeding ticket. You're talking about getting a Hummer instead of fucking arresting him from DUI. It's not like this. They are notoriously one of the most corrupt police forces in the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're talking American cops. Like this is not, this is South African cops where they can absolutely sweep something like this under the rug. Now fully emboldened, Cecilia told the members of Electus Perdaeus that Rhea and the overcomers were actively working against them.

The bombings had been an attempt to stop Natasha and the overcomers from killing more children through prayer, but according to Cecilia's astral projections, they had not stopped praying. So as Cecilia put it,kis Perdeus had two choices either Cecilia would surrender herself to the Satanic Church so she could stop the killing herself or They could murder Natasha Berger This was Cecilia's biggest gamble the ultimate test of just how good her story really was gamble, the ultimate test of just how good her story really was. Unanimously and without question, the cult agreed to kill a fellow Christian, a person that had once been a member of their group and was known to each one of them personally.

And I do think that this is where, and maybe this is an inappropriate comment to make, but this was her ultimate triumph, which is she's got to them. These guys are really doing something that is against their very nature Yeah, these people are not murderers, but I guess meth Really does help. Yeah, put some pep in your step then kind of gets you in a bit of a paranoid Way thinking mm-hmm. Yeah, and they've been under Cecilia's you know influence for years five years now Yeah, yeah for years at this point and so it's Slow roll up actually

Zack and Michaela Valentine they've only been in it for about two years at this point. They joined in 2010. That's a quick turn Now now Cecilia was admittedly quite clever when it came to planning this operation Now Cecilia was admittedly quite clever when it came to planning this operation. She gleaned information from a former Electus Perdeus member about Natasha's work hours, who her neighbors were, and what security was like at her housing complex. Because you know in South Africa you have a lot of complexes where they have fucking walls. Private security companies, all kinds of crazy shit.

Yeah. This was under the auspice of protecting Natasha because Cecilia told the former member that she'd had visions that Natasha was going to be killed by Satanists So Cecilia both got the information to plan the murder and she planted a story that drew attention away from her all in one fell swoop And so when the cult was ready they stole license plates and put them on their own cars So they wouldn't be caught if there were security cameras at Natasha's housing complex. A lot of steps to take people through and I honestly think it does help the act of murder. Yeah Barry you have to slow roll you know you can't

just hand someone a knife and say go do it you have to make it an operation. You ever see that show where the magician convinces the people to go on the heist? No. Dude you should see it. I think they banned it. BBC, you should look at this. It's wild. It's this guy basically proves you can drive people to do things against their will and is this famous sort of stunt magician,

I forget his name, in the UK. And he does this thing where he essentially takes five strangers and he convinces them to rob a bank. My God. But it just shows it like it can happen now Cecilia however when they finally went out to the Lancelot complex in the town of weirder Park where Natasha lived Cecilia hung back she didn't go with them. No she hung back for every single murder She would never be present for any of them. She's got 20 diseases. She can't do anything

She's got 20 diseases. She can't do anything. She's got an oxygen tank. She can't be sitting there like... Do you think she was even oxygen in the tank? No, I have no idea. No, it was empty. That's how she got to carry it around so easily. Yeah, and they also and also remember she is she can't leave the borders the Satanic Mr. Bran borders. Now the cult's first plan for killing Natasha Berger was to have the teenage girl Marcel Stain knock on Natasha's door and say that her cat was missing. It's like the beginning of a pornography. She would ask if she could check Natasha's backyard. And once inside, she would use a taser to knock Natasha out and the rest of the cult

would storm in and stab her to death. But when Marcel knocked on Natasha's door and told her the cat story, Natasha got irritated and said, I ain't got no fucking cat in my yard. Get out of here. Yeah, and she didn't recognize her? No, she didn't recognize her. The cult returned to Cecilia and she decided

in a plan that's downright diabolical to use Natasha's elderly neighbor, Joy Boonsayer, as bait. And so on July 26, 2012, Zach and Michaela Valentine Wearing wigs left Kruger's door beehive and afro Left Kruger's door up with knives a hammer and a gift wrap present They arrived around 5 p.m And knocked on the door of the elderly Joy Boonzai'r and told her that they were friends of Natasha who wanted to surprise her for her

Birthday, I remember friends They used to come by and told her that they were friends of Natasha who wanted to surprise her for her birthday. I remember friends. They used to come by and then what I would do is I would strangle them and eat their meat. Again and again and it's just nice to see some new young flesh. Well Joy thinking nothing was a mess, she invited them inside for tea. Please see me. Please be around me. I mean, honestly, that's what happened.

But as soon as Zach and Michaela stepped inside, Zach pulled out his knife and ordered Joy to write an urgent note to Natasha, telling her to come see her as soon as she got home from work. Joy wrote the note, which Michaela slid underneath Natasha's door. Cecilia added an extra level of manipulation to this murder by telling Zach that while he should kill Natasha, his wife Michaela needed to be the one to kill Joy Boonsayer, because Michaela needed to learn how to murder a human being, because there was going to be a lot of murder in their future.

So for no other reason than just practice, they kill joy well to get rid of a witness, okay Yeah, and she said it like this like this is all gonna This is under the auspices in the end of we're going to be doing this for Christ Yeah, but when it came time to slaughter the terrified trembling old woman Michaela couldn't do it Instead she ran out of the house and Joy attempted to run after her. Zach, however, fully in Cecilia's thrall, had no problem killing the old lady himself. He wanted to kill. He was

probably the most ready and most aggro to do it. Him and, uh, Miranda. Miranda. Yeah. Well, going all out on his first murder, Zach stabbed Joy in the neck six times, then smashed her with a hammer a further ten times. Fucking travel agents. It's always them. His wife was the travel agent. He was, even worse, insurance broker. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh With his policies! And they had just left Florida! Well finally, he took out another knife and slit Joy's throat.

Joy was tough and managed to dial South Africa's emergency line, which is entirely too long. One zero one one one. It's too many letters! And then Zach left the room. But it was too late for Joy. She died in the entrance of her bedroom, trying to crawl to the front door. At that very moment though, Natasha arrived and found the note that Michaela had slipped under her door.

She quickly went next door to Joy's house, but it was Zach Valentine who answered the door. He grabbed her and pulled her inside, and while she did put up a struggle, Zach hit her in the head with a hammer before stabbing her in the neck, head, and arms several times as she tried to defend herself. Finally, he slit her throat, and Natasha died with Joey's notes still crumpled in her hand. This went as badly as it could have. Essentially. Actually, I think it went about as well as it could have.

I mean, in terms of like, it was all supposed to be like well done and neat and quiet and subtle and Well how are they gonna- they brought a hammer and a knife. It's not like they were chloroforming. I think that was again, it was wrong tools. See the thing is I think that they wanted it to be messy. I think they wanted it to be this brutal, but I think it's sort of like Manson said, make it witchy. Make it witchy. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, because- Because of what would go on they would go on to think of what happened with these people

Yeah, cuz remember Cecilia has already planted the scene Perspective of Satanist yeah Natasha is a Natasha is in danger of being killed by Satanist so we have to kill them like Satanist would kill them exactly got it now The bodies were found almost immediately while Zack was still running to his car. His wife Michaela was waiting, and Michaela, understandably upset by her blood-covered husband, cried the whole way back to Kruger's door. You're messing up our seats. You're getting blood on the dashboard. It was hard to clean.

How was I supposed to know all that blood was gonna be in their bodies? I don't know, but now you smell like old panties. Oh, I'm sorry. Next time when I cut someone's throat, there won't be any blood. Are you sure? I wish you could promise that. We'll just have to talk to safety. Cecilia was of course disappointed that Micaela didn't fulfill her part of the mission, but she still gathered together all the Electus Perdaeus members that night to celebrate a job well done. They celebrated these murders. And guess what they played?

It wasn't me. The overcomers, meanwhile, were left to process the news that one of their own had been brutally murdered. They all assumed it was a Satanist who'd done the job, partly because of the savagery with which Natasha was killed, but partly because Cecilia had earlier told an overcomer that she'd had visions of Natasha being murdered by a Satanist. The overcomer that Cecilia had spoken to about all this was named Amber DuPries, but instead of suspecting Cecilia, the murder of Natasha Berger pulled Amber further into Electus Perdeus, and she brought along her boyfriend, James Vermuck. And what, they just had to keep this whole thing a secret from her?

Yeah. No, we don't. Because everyone else in the group knows what they did. There's a lot of moving parts here. There's a lot of stuff going on here, buddy. You got to figure out, this is on them. And that's the thing is that they can also once they bring her in and she's you know suitably brainwashed they can say actually it was us that killed Natasha but we killed Natasha to for XYZ

yeah for XYZ yes now as far as the police went they couldn't have gotten this murder more wrong and they couldn't have been more confused they immediately believe that the murder was a satanic sacrifice. Everybody gets what they want. Okay. But the know your enemy literature found in Natasha's apartment led the police to believe that she was the occultist. So fucking stupid.

As far as Joy went, the nice old lady who invited them in for tea, the cops assumed that she was also an occultist because they found a bunch of half-burned candles around her house, and from what their training told them, candles equal occult rituals. Kind of be cool, even if it's retconned, if your grandma turned out to be a super evil like saint, you know, it's hard, but you go be like, whoa, grandma was fucking metal! That's awesome!

I didn't know she was like that! Well, incredibly, because of the literature, the number one suspect in this murder was Rhea Grunwald. Yeah, that's the only good thing. That's the only good thing. I would have been awesome if they arrested her. Because she was the know your enemy leader. You know, all the literature, she was in charge of all that. In fact, when Rhea contacted the police to help solve Natasha's murder, the police took that as further proof that she was guilty. Rhea was interrogated and was told that she was going to be arrested.

Yeah, we're out of order. But this actually made Rhea believe Cecilia more, because she remembered Cecilia telling her that the Satanic Church would murder people than arrange for others to be accused. How fucking stupid are we? Why are we so fucking dumb? murder people than arrange for others to be accused. As far as Alexis Perdeus went, they sent even more taunting text messages to the overcomers, saying that Natasha didn't die praying, but had begged and squealed like a pig in the end.

Ria had also told that she could have prevented all of this if she hadn't sent And we know that pigs can't beg. Alright? Because we see those YouTubes. Rhea was also told that she could have prevented all of this if she hadn't sent away the one person who could have helped. That person was of course, Cecilia. As a consequence, Rhea canceled all Know Your Enemy and Overcomers Through Christ meetings to try and protect her people. But once the first two murders were committed, it was off to the races for Cecilia and her crew, and nine more people would die before it was all over. And that's where

we'll pick back up next week, starting with the murder of a fucking priest for part three of the Krugerstorp cult murders. Dude, we just are getting to the gnarly shit. It is going to be worse and worse as we go. It's going to get nuttier as we go. They don't get brighter. Nope. Electus Perdeus. Also, it's just like there was a crazy murder.

Don't split up. Everyone stay together. Now's the time to bend. I think you're right. Yeah, you're right. But no, that's what they decided to do. That's why you weren't an electus per Deus Eddie. You weren't electus per Deus material I was talking about the overcomers either way. Yeah, you're not an overcomer. You're not a regular comer. Yeah just

Standard come that's that's ed Comer, they say it's ed. Just a comer. Larson. I'm I'm a dripper. I'm a just a comer. Actually, actually sounds like a South African last name. That's an Afrikaans name. I know. My name is Gert.

Just a comer. That's true. Great job. Thank you. Really good work. Thank you. Thank you. Wow. We really got them this time. Yeah. Thank you. Really good work. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Wow, we really got them this time, huh? We got them on the ropes. Patreon.com slash Last Podcast on the Left is where you can go to watch video editions of every single episode we record. You can also follow us on the socials at LP on the Left. We're on TikTok and Instagram. Check out all of our streams at twitch.tv slash LPNTV.

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