Last Podcast On The Left - Episode 596: The Krugersdorp Cult Murders Part III - Your English Teacher Loves Murder

Episode Date: November 2, 2024

The story of Electus Per Deus continues this week as the boys learn the full extent of Cecilia Steyn's manipulation of her followers through the organization and execution of what would come to be known as "The Appointment Murders."Last Podcast on the Left | LPN | Youtube | Twitch | Instagram | TikTok | X | [e-mail] Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes and get exclusive access to bonus content.

There's no place to escape to this is the last on the left That's when the cannibalism started Self-iffic. Self-iffic. When I found the bodies, they were covered in blood. Sorry, I'm trying to get into the mindset again. Give it a second. Covered in blood. We are absolutely covered in blood.

Did you listen to more of the podcast? Oh yeah, buddy. Yeah, how was it? Is it getting better? You know what actually, it made me, I did have a realization. As I was listening through Candice's podcast. Of like, I started to realize a Little bit more of the brainwashing techniques. I'll get it more into the show Yeah, Cecilia Stein the more that we read them the more that we cover her the more we get deeper into this story

This is one of the most puzzling examples of cult leader and family that I have ever been across. She just seemed so unfollowable. Dude, they followed her to fucking, it was jogging pant. It's not even like- To jogging pant. They were, butts were pressed.

These people were sleeping next to each other in the same beds. That's a part of how she did it. We'll talk about it. She wasn't even attractive. Hey, hey, you never know. Krugerstorp, Wyndon Krugerstorp. Krugerstorp! That's a part of how she did it. We'll talk about she wasn't even attractive. Hey, hey, you never know Kruger's Dorp winning Kruger's Dorp Kruger's door All day, I just be like Kruger's dog Hold her my friends welcome to last podcast on the left. My name is Marcus Parks. I'm here with the South African Henry Zabrowski still see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if you can see the if Some sound like some Afrikaans like phrases couldn't even penetrate it could even come close. They're dry one

The end of it to be good. Wow. Yeah, they're hard to understand. We just lost also Fucking South African market. Well, not all of them. You only lost the Afrikaans The rest of them love making fun of them Of course Ed Larson, how are you sir? Oh, I'm doing good, I'm doing good. I was just thinking about my time in Soweto. It was so hot, man. Yeah, you could say I was Sowetting my balls off. Pfft. Pfft.

I hate you. We didn't even get in. We didn't even begin this story. We have to immediately dig ourselves out of a hole. I'm recording this on Halloween. Halloween, Halloween. I have listened to The Monster Mash twice today. Once on the radio and once by myself on my own volition. Have you listened to the Monster

Mash yet? Yes, I did. I listened to the Halloween song from the Oogie Boogie Bash a couple of times. No, not anymore. No, no, no. Stop it. Halloween, Halloween, everybody. But you know what I realized? What's his name that does Monster Mash? Bobby Boris Pickett. He has a follow-up song. He had a follow-up album. Yeah, I put it on my Halloween soundtrack for direct.

Monster Mash. Yeah. It's disgusting. Get some cream and you put it on your mummy bone! Uh-oh! Sounds like that old vampire was a bit too popular. We're here for the Krugerstorp cult murders part 3. And now we're really gonna get covered in blood. My god this is a bloody episode.

So when we last left the Electus Perdeus cult they just committed a double murder on the command of their leader, Cecilia Stane. And that was the first one. Yeah. You know, think about this, I just constantly want to put people in the mindset because I feel like last episode some people were talking about why did you take a kind of meandery trip through the middle of this cult and I think it's really to try to make you understand that jump from being Little church people like I'm talking about the most churchy churchy dumb shit people and becoming the she Fundamentalist church people let's be fair here, but there's a dad is obviously the secret ingredient that turns them into

Truly mass murderers according to Candice which I do But I actually kind of believe that they had way more than 11 victims. Yeah, they might have. Some people think it might be 15, 16, somewhere around there. Why not just admit it? Because they were saying they weren't guilty of any of them. They were trying to get away with it. Well, Cecilia had told Electus Perdaeus that if they killed a member of their former group, overcomers through Christ,

Ugh! Oh wow! Jesus! then they would be saving a group of fictitious orphans in America who were being killed en masse because the overcomers through Christ were praying for them and activating the death curses that have been placed on their souls. Got it? Got it.

Alright. But as absolutely ridiculous as that sounds when you boil it down to its essence, the first murders committed by Electus Perdaeus were scary enough to make Rhea Grunwald shudder the overcomers through Christ because she fully believed that one of her people had been murdered by satanic witches. And you know, it's bad that, it's bad, right? They're bad. They're bad at it and it's bad what they're doing. But it's just like, you know, if it was done by another group of people, it's kind of interesting. I mean, like the fact that Rhea Grunwald, like that's her first response. Like that shows how deep the brainwashing went.

She's already broken off. Well, that's the thing is that with Rhea Grunwald, like I don't even know if it's if you could consider it necessarily brainwashing because she was already on that tip to begin with. She already believed that Satanists were running the world and were hiding behind every corner. Rhea just fucking pulled her further in. And then what sounds like what Candice- Cecilia just pulled her further in.

And it sounds like what Cecilia then also did was give Rhea purpose and evidence of the fact that her life was actually meaning something. And ironically, Rhea Grunwald was also the main suspect in the double murder because police had interpreted the over Comers through Christ literature found in the murder victims home as a cult material and it therefore Concluded that overcomers through Christ were a secret occult group and Ria was a closet Satanist I love it. I love it when they all turn on each other occult group and Rhea was a closet Satanist. God I love it. I love it when they all turn on each other.

Because it's the truth is that she's the closest she's the most occultist person of all of them. Well she's the expert but that's the thing is that absolutely nobody had any idea what was really going on except the leader of Electus Perdaeus, Cecilia Stain, who was proving to be a master manipulator on a level that is nearly Inconceivable you know you know that she's an actual master manipulator is her use of the term townhouse in the Description of where they all live uh-huh she go constantly whenever I was watching a bunch of trial footage And then you went some brought up an apartment like out, but she was it was a townhouse And there's something about that that it just shows me that I hate you Yeah, you know it was at a tiny yard. You think it was almost like a duplex. It was a duplex actually Yeah, townhouse

Now the kill crew on the double murder had been Zach Valentine and his wife Michaela And it was Cecilia's command that Michaela be the one to kill the intended target's neighbor, the neighbor that had been used as a decoy if you'll remember. Michaela, however, couldn't go through with it, because unlike her surprisingly ruthless husband, she was not a killer. The double murder actually greatly traumatized Michaela Valentine, who soon went full goth by dyeing her hair black, dressing in hot topic gear, wearing dark makeup, and falling deep into a gloomy depression.

Oh, so be on the lookout for these people spending lots of money at Hot Topic. No! You know what they've just seen. Don't come for the goths! You know what they've just seen. Not every goth is a new murderer. Oh, fingerless gloves I see! Ah!

The worst kind of gloves to hide evidence perfect It's crazy though because that's what she'd like these again these are Christians now She's so sad and so she's a murderer. She's she's actually not a murderer. She did not commit murder But straight up it's like she became a Satanist more of a witness. Yeah. Yeah, she did accidentally become a Satanist They're all making it real, but it is like it's that weird thing like I dress how I feel inside Like and she actually was oh, yeah, of course you fucking watch the mass murder brutally stabbed the death of Watch the crazy murder like I need to go shopping

This hair is like not me anymore, you know, honestly, she's got that shirt that says hang in there You know just been like I don't know if this is I think you know what I need I need some Shirley Manson gear Michaela's change in demeanor, however, meant absolutely nothing to Cecilia Stain. In fact, Cecilia relished in the fact that she had convinced others to commit murders on her behalf, so she very quickly zeroed in on her next target. Now, it seems to me that part of Cecilia's game was completely perverting the beliefs of the people she manipulated. For example, by this point, she'd convinced her fundamentalist Christian followers to

bomb a prayer group, burn down a church, and murder a committed Christian that they all knew personally. Not to mention the murder of an innocent old lady. These people were, it's partially because of their histrionic Christian beliefs that even led them to this. This is one of the, you can't Christian beliefs that even led them to this. This is one of the, you can't blame, like we've talked about this, I think we talked about this last episode,

about every other cult, we're trying to find sympathy for the people that are involved, where it's just this, it's like, they had kind of the perfect set of original attributes to jump into bombing a fucking, like bombing and burning a church is wild to me Now it's do you think they're just stupid? Yes and arrogant. I know it's rude to say stupid No, they're murderers. No, they're stupid and arrogant and they're they believe that they are the hands of Christ stupid

I think is the wrong word naive. I think is a better word for I think they're naive and but that's thing It's arrogant is very much the right word. I believe it's like a malignant naivete It's like this idea of they're floating in this world of God's gonna take care of shit words It's like don't you think God would also take care of the Satanic armies as well. He's more equipped Doesn't have a giant army of angels with spears and fucking floating eyes and many wings covered in flames, but they cannot come till Judgment Day Why because that's what he said change it Executive order we need an election

God needs to be replaced Well after taking the manipulation to these heights Cecilia decided to take the sacrilege to the highest level possible by convincing her followers to murder a retired pastor named Reg Ben Dixon Murder victim he got killed. I know I know It's bad to pass it's bad to murder. I know it is it is it's super bad No in early August of 2012, Cecilia began telling the members of Electus Perdaeus that regiment diction was one of quote, Rhea's people, which is how Cecilia now referred

to overcomers through Christ. See, what she was doing is she was separating their past lives. It's not like you were a part of overcomers through Christ and this is overcomers through Christ and we're going gonna kill this group that you Were a part of she gave them a different name. It's a very very important for the manipulation Nomenclature basically when it comes to cults where does this lady learn all of this? It is we talked about it again and again. She's a reader It is innate like it is there's something about human beings a certain type of human being is very like all of us are naturally good at

Something like everybody in the world is naturally good at something. You're just built for this one thing. Yeah I'm gonna eat and pussy and playing basketball But some people just have this innate knowledge of how to be a cult leader and how to manipulate people and how to be a Leader like some people are big you talk About a natural-born leader like they're not always fucking quarterbacks. Yeah, sometimes they're cecilia stain No, I'm looking for my cecilia And just as an aside if you're wondering why they didn't just kill ria grunwald that answer is twofold Firstly a big part of cecilia's game during this time period in the cult's life cycle was torturing Rhea because Rhea had rejected Cecilia personally.

It was just simple revenge. But the other reason had to do with a lie Cecilia had told years before. If you'll remember from the last episode, Cecilia had claimed that her biological mother had been ritualistically sacrificed in Cecilia's place because her former coven couldn't get to Cecilia for unspecified reasons. We don't need to specify reasons. It's just reasons. But after that fictitious sacrifice, Cecilia told Rhea that Rhea had been granted maternal rights over Cecilia and all of her many multiple personalities. Okay. That meant somehow that if Rhea were to be killed, then Cecilia would also die.

That meant somehow that if Rhea were to be killed then Cecilia would also die Although I suppose the reason Cecilia gave as to why she didn't die when her mother died was because those maternal rights have been Transferred before Cecilia's mother was was sacrificed on the altar of Satan And that's only just because Satan had control of the House of Representatives and actually takes about two to three I believe two-thirds of that to restore the maternal rights Okay, eventually and you know filibuster can actually be put in place at some point, but again, you got a log jam. You gotta get the whip. You know what I was, what's the, you know the whip?

The majority. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think I described it correctly. There's also, I think the factor of what is Batman without his Joker? That's true.

Like, I feel like Rhea is the villain. That's the central villain. Like if you knock out Rhea, then if you immediately knock out the most powerful member of the inner Satanist, Satanist cabal. Oh yeah, kill you? Why would I kill you? You're so much fun. Yeah, then it's like I need you.

And then thinking about them blaming the double homicide on Rhea, I can't stress it enough, Rhea looked like Angela Lansbury. This is the smallest, shuviest hair. Dude, they're all like six-year-old ladies. They're like 40s, late 40s, early 50s, something like that. She's not dressing. Yeah, and unhealthy 55. And I don't mean this, she looked like shit. Right?

But like Rhea's a man. But Rhea, it's like, she was just like, I don't mean this she looked like shit Like it's like she's just like No, I couldn't possibly have done that She can't open a bag of Doritos like the idea that she could fucking stab somebody a bunch of times He's not gonna it isn't just so funny them pulling her in there be like we believe in your sickness Don't feed up the sickness cabal and she's just sitting there going like her in there be like we believe in your sickness. You'll feed up the sickness kibble And she's just sitting there going like I just I just made a doily Long my

Concerning electus per deus is next target pastor Reg Ben Dixon Nobody in the cult knew him personally, and it's a little unclear as to why Cecilia chose him in particular. It seems like Ben-Dixon was merely convenient, because Cecilia was able to tell whatever story she wanted to about Reg. Well, the story that Cecilia told was that it was actually Pastor Reg who had led Rhea astray by stealing her sermons and perverting them to spread the message of Satan. And that was the real reason why the overcomers were now doing Satan's bidding.

So Rhea wasn't to blame at all, she was just reading the prompter. Yes. Yeah, Rhea was reading the prompter. The Anchorman problem. Is what she had. Yeah, yeah, go fuck yourself, God. Yeah. And if they killed Reg, Cecilia posited, then maybe the overcomers would return to the light, although there were no guarantees

Hey, I've just noticed, Fred, you know, the latest draft of my sermon, it says in the end, Hell Satan. Do you mean that? Who's this like? Yes, I'm sorry, I must have misspelled Santa, close to Christmas. Yes, well, I just, sure I should go ahead and read this anyway. I should say Hail Satan. Yes, you might as well. It is in Satan's league that we serve. Well, either way, Cecilia believed that it was worth a shot,

so Electus Perdeus began planning the murder of a bonafide man of God Damn! But not everyone was on board with Reg's murder. Marcel Stane, the 14 year old daughter of the school teacher Marinda Stane, no relation to Cecilia, she vociferously questioned if it was right to murder a former pastor. The 14 year old! Of the group! Also remember, it's a family. She has got an entire little family that is doing this She's got a mother with two young like high school age kids

Yeah, and was 14 and one was 18 at this time. It's the most questions. Yes. Absolutely It is the babes the most innocent aunt and fade like she could see like freaking out She's just raising her hand being like, all right, listen, I get it. Satanist cabals, knocking them out, don't know what they look like, we found one, we're gonna get one. It seems like we're gonna kill a priest.

I just feel like it's like one of those things that's like not, like it doesn't really hold water. And they're all like, ah, you fucking bitch. Well, Cecilia, ever ready with an answer, shouted that this was war. They were all living in the end times, and how dare Marcel question her while Pastor Reg was actively plotting to kill people just like Cecilia, who just wanted to escape

the clutches of Satanists. First thing on my to-do list was number one, get my boots fixed. Number two, more anchovies. Number three, subjugate the Christian church. One lesbian at a time. Well to justify the murder, Cecilia cited the Old Testament, saying that God had told David to murder women

and children. This was either a misinterpretation of the passage on Cecilia's part, or more likely, a willful distortion. But in the end, it was what finally worked. It got everyone on board. She just says that and they all go like, you know, actually, yeah. Yes. Wow.

Absolutely. What's important? Well, either that or, you know, she's a 14-year-old girl. What is she going to do? What's she going to do already she's already watched uh, they murdered a bunch of people now You're kind of I don't think Marcel hadn't I don't think Marcel had gone on the first murder. They were all talking about no They oh she knew she definitely knew it was up, but she's not really in a position to argue Oh, yeah What's important to keep in mind about all this though?

Is that even though Electus Perdeus were a small group, not everyone knew about the murders. See, it's not like they were all living on a compound together, nor was this a day-to-day cult where people lived a lifestyle based around the leader's teachings. Instead, this was a cult comprised of meetings, get-togethers, and hangouts. So if they wanted to keep some members in the dark about the murderous side of the cult, all they had to do was not include them on the planning committee. Oh my god, just showing up once a week for fucking bowling.

And you're like, hey, what's going on, guys? It's exactly what it was. Some people exactly showed up once a week for a meeting. Hey, guys, power of Christ, huh? All right, let's go bowl. Bullying, we're going to get bullying. And they didn't know that there were three meetings Hey guys, power of Christ, huh? Alright, let's go bowl. We're gonna get bootling and say the eve. And they didn't know that there were three meetings in between the last meeting in which they were planning the murder of a pastor. Now, Zach Valentine had already proved himself to be a capable and enthusiastic killer,

but after Michaela had balked at committing murder herself, it showed Cecilia that the rest of them could use a little practice before going into the next mission. So they procured a pig's head, and Cecilia made her followers practice murder in her bedroom of all fucking places by stabbing the pig's head with knives and burying axes into its skull. I'd probably put down some newspapers. I mean, who knows? Who knows?

Taps. Got some taps, but they're good Cecilia like it is interesting in that way because when they were all the way she talks about it Is that I feel like it's this selling it's the way she sells things where I? Something keyed into me with with Candice where I realized it was something that Candice had said Candice I also remember Candice is the biggest idiot of them all yes But yes Only the world's biggest idiots record their thoughts

So she keyed into something which is like she's like what I didn't understand is that if Cecilia was always wrong How did she knew what I was doing in her dreams? Because she said they would astral project together. One of the big exercises they would all do is they would sit and astral project and go around because she said she could teach you how to, like, leave your body and go and spy on people, do all this kind of shit.

And I started to realize, because she would say that what they did at that point, Candace, she would get someone to be sleeping in her bed, right? That's a part of where the rumors came from okay is that they were sleeping in bed together and what she was doing in almost Bugs Bunny like fashion was whispering into her ear as she was sleeping and it is I now believe that is exactly what she was doing and that she was which is the reason why she knew everything the thing that she said because she said that Cecilia

Would do this like nighttime rap where she'd start talking about how we're all gonna go together in our dreams tonight And she would start it as everyone's going this whenever when she would do these Astral projecting parties and they're all like slumber parties And it's the way she sold it where it's like ah ha ha like the stuff with the the pig's head That was like viewed as like pumpkin carving you know I mean where it was like a funny evening of like oh my god. What are we doing tonight? This is crazy meanwhile. They've already killed two people, but they're still like this is crazy tonight You know and they're all just stabbing ahead, so it's this weird like Subtle yet utterly not subtle yeah way of telling you they're turning you into a murderer

Well, I think like it almost I think I brought this up in the last episode It's almost like when someone pretends to go along with a hypnotist just cuz they want to be a part of the party And that's called being hypnotized technically But I mean, but really it's not subtle at all because she's telling them like you have to get good at murder So you have to stab this pig's head, but then it's how she does it Yeah, she brings in going like what a fun pig head stabbing game we're playing and they're like, oh, yeah I love pig stabbing and we're like pig stab is my favorite new South African game Well when Cecilia felt that everyone was ready the plan to kill pastor Reg Ben Dixon was put into motion

Zach Valentine and LaRue stain ocean. Zach Valentine and LaRue Stane, Miranda's teenage son, made a call to Ben Dickson's home to make an appointment for spiritual counseling. Ben Dickson readily agreed and made plans to meet at a coffee shop called Mug and Bean the next Monday afternoon. That's where Christ does his best work. At the coffee store. Don't even kill me until I've had my coffee.

Just before the meeting, Zack cancelled the appointment. The whole thing was just a ruse, I think, to check Ben Dixon's schedule and specifically to see when his wife would be out of the house. Just don't fucking laugh at him. They're watching him from across the street, watching him go and being like, looking at his watch going, I guess Christ can't help you be on time. And somehow they learned that Mrs. Ben Dixon came home late on Mondays, so they chose the following Monday to kill Pastor Reg. But killing Pastor Reg was only part of the game here.

To ratchet up the fear, Electus Perdaeus used their burner phones to once again pose as satanic witches, and they began texting the members of Overcomers Through Christ that a pastor was going to die and there was nothing they could do about it. No one told the pastor? Well that's the thing, growing even more bold, they texted Rhea and told her specifically to say her goodbyes to Pastor Wrench. No, this must be a funny sarcastic joke. It says here that they're going to turn the pastor into Pastor Horace.

What is even that? Incredibly though, for reasons I can't understand, nobody seemed to warn Reg, or, if they did, Reg didn't or couldn't do anything to protect himself. Because as we're going to get into later, the South African police, not great at their jobs. No the South African police not great at their jobs No, really not great at their jobs. What if I just actually said thank God And so on their second outing involving murder And so, on their second outing involving murder, Zach Valentine once again took the Tex Watson role and led Marinda Stane and her 14-year-old daughter Marcel

on a mission to brutally murder a pastor. I never got to do anything fun with my dad. Hahaha! Again, the crew wore wigs. Zach had a long, luxurious red wig, while Marinda wore a short, black bob wig. Yeah, now you're the lady Rinda's a fucking piece of work. We're gonna get there

The difference this time was that they also had police Uniforms that belonged to Cecilia's husband whose role as a cop will play a big part later on in this story And they were there. Um, they the uniform was just hovering there by how fast he left after work. And how fast, like, the fact that he specifically wouldn't be home ever to see an ounce of cult activity. So armed with axes and knives, Zack, Miranda, and Marcel drove to Pastor Reg's housing complex and stopped at the security gate. Using a burner phone, Miranda called Pastor Reg and told him that they were police who had questions about the murders of Natasha Berger and Joy Bunzair, the very murders they themselves had committed. Pastor Reg of course buzzed them in.

Of course I love to discuss violence. But since it would look weird if there was a 14 year old police officer in tow, Marcel Stain was crouched down behind the car, and when Marinda and Zach pulled in, Marcel crept in after them. She would not participate, but she would witness the entire ordeal to come. So after chatting about the phony murder investigation for just a few minutes Zach walked up behind the 72 year old pastor and smashed in Reg's skull with his weapon Zach then stood over Ben Dixon's prone body and chopped his head over and over again with an axe

But well Violin don't worry about it, old joke But while he was doing it Marinda joined in and proved herself to be just as bloodthirsty and aggressive as Zach. She stabbed him in the chest and stomach 13 times and kept doing

it until Pastor Reg's blood stopped pumping. They then left Reg's body in his own flowerbed and fled the scene covered in blood." Oh, they did it outside? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, how did they not get caught? It's an apartment complex. Big fences. Wannon Kruger's door. Well, these are housing complexes. They're not apartment complexes. Like in South Africa, though, it's like think of it as a gated community. Yeah. So yeah, so there is- And those are really tall walls.

They keep them, they're like 10 feet tall, I remember. Yeah, and really like the most noise you're gonna hear from Pastor Edge is like right when the fucking- Clunk. Axe goes into his skull. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, he wasn't conscious for the rest of it. And then the sound of his soul escaping

Was that out of was that a fart it was out of his mouth no no that wasn't a fart There's a soul coming out of his mouth Getting back into their rental car which I'd imagine had to be cleaned quite thoroughly before they returned it. I don't know. I don't know if these guys are super conscientious renters. They drove to a pre-planned location where Michaela Valentine was waiting with another car. The murder crew then changed clothes and headed home, throwing their bloody garments and their

murder weapons out of the car window on their way back to Kruger's Dorp. Michaela meanwhile asked the crew to recount all the gory details, like how long did it take them to die? What kind of weapons did you use? How many times did you stab them? But it's most likely that Michaela was just feigning interest because she didn't want to get

into trouble with Cecilia again for not being enthusiastic about murder. That's how I was good at English class. Even if I was falling asleep, you just always make sure whenever you get asked question You got to improv a good you have the improv a good answer Yeah, whatever it is also I found that in English class if you ask a lot of questions about the reader Yes, don't have to do the room And then I was like I don't have to read anything if I just say like what does the color red?

represent in this Say think it sounds like you've been pondering Deflection that's nice But the person who would surprise themselves most that day was Miranda Stain And it's important to note that this woman the woman who would stab his pastor until his blood stopped pumping She was still teaching high school English every weekday during this entire saga. Your English teacher loves murder.

She later said that she loved the act of murder, that she felt a release afterward, an adrenaline rush that was both scary and exciting. You know how you're scared of your teacher sometimes? It's why. It's Because they are craving your blood. They want to cut you open. They want to see your entrails. It's a very frustrating job from what I'm told. I think it's because of questions like Eddie and I realized how we could derail the entire class. It's all she probably thought about it. Said she probably as she was stabbing him, she just thought of a big fat face kid to look just like any with a big dolphin's head

on going, Oh, can we have lunch again? She said that she didn't know it until she did it, but she'd been waiting her whole life to murder someone. Wow. As she put it in a way... Good for her. Well, you know... I guess there's only one way to find out. Yeah. Well, she put it in a way that was appropriate for a teacher. Murdering Reg Ben Dixon was like taking an exam where you have all this tension beforehand, but after you write and pass it,

there's a release that's very enjoyable. Yeah, wow, yeah. It does... It must be a lot like an essay writing portion on an exam. And for me, hearing the school teacher talk about how much she loved murder Really goes a long way towards explaining how normal people are able to participate in large-scale horrors like the Holocaust and other genocides See some people are like Michaela Valentine who are immediately repulsed by killing no matter what the justification But they basically go along to survive, which only

encourages the people in the other group, people like Miranda Stane. See, people like Miranda would otherwise never murder someone unless they were given a righteous reason, but when they finally do it, they find that they absolutely love it. In fact, the bar for justification just keeps getting lower Specifically because they want reasons to do it again and again now extrapolate those dynamics to millions of people And you can start to understand how horrible things are committed by seemingly normal people on a fucking massive scale That's great. Do you think if they stopped after this guy they would have not get gotten caught? Yes Yeah, they would have moved on they would have moved They like but actually if they would have stopped after the next four people they wouldn't have gotten caught crazy Yeah, but you also know like five

Like maybe think that they there's something to the idea of like once you've been killed for that reason You then kind of put your own Superiority like you begin to get gain a sense of superiority. Oh, you're an avenging angel Yeah at that moment like like you are one of God you are a Christian soldier Yeah, you know and an actual one yeah everybody else who sings about it on Christmas It has no fucking idea what they're talking about because I've tasted blood And not only that but you're good at it yeah, and you love it So you're gonna do it more because it makes you feel really fucking good. Hey, man. It's always about finding something

What can you throw yourself into all the way? Mm-hmm now incredibly the main suspect for the murder of Regman Dixon was once again Ria Grunwald Like they tried it like she's trying to open the door to the police station. Oh, my wrists have separated. Oh, my elbow is also separated. I can't be here too long. I have to

get back to my plants. Yes, I did drive three hours to murder. Yes, this is our suspect for the brutal X-Men and out in Johannesburg. I used to be a pot and then I was magically transformed into a woman. They link these murders because the murder of Regiment Dixon had all the hallmarks of the double murder committed by Electus Perdaeus. Rhea, meanwhile, believed that all of this was the work of the Satanic Church, who was once again framing her for their own murders.

Rhea, get your shit together! Now, Rhea completely refused to hear any other point of view as to what was going on that didn't involve Satanists. She did finally lawyer up after being accused of a third murder, but she almost immediately fired him when he scolded her for being so deeply involved in a lot of horse shit that was obviously ruining her life. What are you talking about? I'm steadily losing the war to Satanists. But when she fired her lawyer, her children, who had already had a strained relationship

with her, they went no contact. Because like we're seeing today with people lost to the QAnon and Magi-Cults, people like Rhea live in entirely separate realities that are impenetrable to those who don't believe. And again, it's her arrogance. It is because she believes that she is correct and everybody else that is screaming to say no no you are not correct is wrong because she has the she's fueled by the power of Christ and she was chosen by the by Christ in order to help people on this planet and guess what who Christ doesn't choose anybody because Christ if Christ was a man he's

dead all right and he can't do anything now because he's fucking worm food and everything else is going on around him they're all fucking dead yeah the fuck and the other guys are dead the gay dudes have fallen around are fucking dead Mary Magdalene's fucking dead they can't do jack shit God shot himself in the head two years ago oh yeah after he found out about You're so upset. He can't believe how much work went into that. Surprisingly, God's a Hufflepuff. It seems like Cecilia knew that she was in effect untouchable when it came to these murders, because the day after Pastor Reg was killed, one of her cultists left a pile of bloody meat on Rhea's doorstep. There was a note beside it that said, quote, Sorry, this is all the doggies left you. Here's your own little piece of Reggie. It was not, however. I mean, honestly, though, I would believe it. And then she's not like, and then she looks back and forth No, I'm not

It is risky Oh, mmm, spicy It needs pineapple It was not however, Reggie's flesh Rather, it was the leftover brains from the pig's head that Electus Perdeus had used to practice murder The very same pig's head that had been in the home of a police officer

who was willfully turning a blind eye to everything happening around him deaf ear a mute mouth he had wrapped his head in fucking plastic Anywhere but this house. I just want I want his life I want to be in that beautiful oblivious life of that man just walk talking shit to fucking teenagers over online gaming Saying the F word Talkin shit to fuckin teenagers over online gaming Playing FIFA saying the f-word Guys leave it going down again. I need some more monster energy drink I'm gonna go down there and there's just like all the hot dogs look good today, you know, like in the 7-eleven

Just hanging out there for half an hour talking to the guy go and look at the milk been like new milking Oh, what an incredible life that guy has. What meds is he on? Oh honey, you left your wolf teeth by the bed again. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Who are you? Now Ria took this pile of pig's brains to the police, who amateurishly asked her to

put it back where they found it so they could take pictures. They then searched her apartment, treating her like the prime suspect, and then they accused her of being- Knocking shit over, going through all the fucking Hummel figurines, knocking the china game out. I got that revenge to Amsterdam, no! You know, be like tearing up pictures of the pope.

They then accused her of being the one who sent the threatening text messages that were supposedly coming from Satanist. One woman operation! I literally don't know how to use my own phone! And the phone is magic! Now, if I had to guess as to why the cops made Rhea their prime suspect, the only answer I can come up with is that the cops had created this story that Rhea wanted her satanic panic

story to be true so badly that she was making it a reality herself by sending texts faking threats and murdering three people They're not in I will say they are doing it poorly But if you're looking at who is the center of all of these murders, yeah There's got to be so many innocent people in South African prisons There's gotta be so many innocent people in South African prisons. It's gonna get so much worse. And to that point, I can honestly, I can see why Rhea Grunewald thought that the Satanic Church had infiltrated the South African

police. Because she must think that obviously she's flawed, but she must think she's going insane. Oh yeah. Because it's happening to her. Yeah. People are dying. You're like, it's not like it's like at some point You're like, I know you like you have to be delusional to even believe all the other stuff But still like it's just like you're like I seriously can't like stress Murders are that are right next to me, you know It's like very much Not the little old lady

But as we've said before we must always be very careful to never confuse incompetence for malice From what it seems to me the South African police had somewhat the right idea But the wrong person. Oh, yeah And it could very well be that this confusion may have been deliberate because the more likely person in this scenario was if you'll remember Married to one of their own. Yeah. I mean definitely also just the Just see them look at like I mean it makes sense If you read the text and you know, these texts are not from a cabal of evil satanists Like you know that we're do you I don't know how many of these fucking cops think that the cabal is real

That's true. They do think it's all some of them do some of them don't look at me a whole bunch of laziness And that's a big part. Yeah, I mean cuz that's a thing you said you said that you know She is the person in the middle of all this is the link that connects all these together But it's like they don't have the critical thinking skill or they don't have the gumption to go beyond that No, it's like oh this person's in the middle of all of it. Yeah, they probably did it Yeah, look at get her ass. Yeah, we don't need to it's just As I'll go into later. Hey Darryl. Can I go beat the fuck out of the lady now? Is that cool? Can I do that cuz I've been wanting to?

Now as I said, Mirinda Stain was absolutely Invigorated by the murder of Regbin Dixon, and she wanted more. But her son, LaRue, was understandably troubled that his mother had so fervently taken to killing. I do not know, mommy, why you have become so antagonistic. Because I seem to remember when I came out your beautiful pussy as smooth as a seal's back. Ah, it is good to be French. South Africa. Well, Leroux started numbing the pain with drugs. How long?

I am at nice fresh off of heroin. I don't know why you had Leroux and Marcel. It's very French. But Marcel, she'd actually witnessed the murder of Reg Ben Dixon, and she went the opposite direction and threw herself into schoolwork and total denial. Michaela Valentine, however, was having the hardest... It's hard coping with this. Yeah, school and denial and great college.

Take you away from there. Michaela Valentine, however, was having the hardest time accepting the turn that Electus Perdeus had taken. She tried overdosing on pills, but she survived, and afterward told her mother that she was scared because other people who'd left Electus Perdeus had been killed. That's some of the other murders that they think Electus Perdeus may have been responsible for. And she also said that the police were starting to ask her questions that she couldn't answer out of fear for her own life So we do know there was some investigation going on on the periphery of electus per deus

But not enough yeah and as it turned out Michaela had very good reason to be scared because Cecilia had already decided that it was time to start the inevitable Purge from within that usually happens with violent cults. Well, usually. Always. Always. Always. Because you got to take some of the dead leaves off. And it's easier to kill them. Yes. Well, people start asking questions and they start asking like, well, why are we doing this? Well, this isn't what I signed up for. Like, that's all that's always someone

starts saying like, this isn't what I signed up for. And if you want to keep moving forward, that person has to go go away But after you've already committed violent crimes that person can only go away one way and that's That's what these guys don't understand That's what the people they have murdered is out of the cults don't understand is that they because they hold forbidden knowledge They are they are to have a short expiration date. Yeah, it's like the mafia except the shoes are worse Yeah, it's like the mafia except the shoes are worse. Oh yeah, this is bad fashion mafia. So Cecilia did what she did best and she began manipulating the other members, essentially committing murder by gossip.

Playing heavy on the sunk cost fallacy, Cecilia told the others that if Michaela left Electus Perdaeus then she'd probably go to the cops. And if she went to the cops, the cult would go to jail. And if the cult went to jail, then that was endgame for all those American orphans. Not the orphans! No! And that would make the three murders that they'd already committed totally meaningless.

So what's another murder? The most flabbergasting part of this is that Zach Valentine, Michaela's husband, he was immediately on board with killing his wife. Hot dog. First thing he said, what? Yeah, definitely. See, at this point, he believed that it was his destiny

to marry Cecilia. I know. So by murdering his wife, he was one step closer to greatness. And then I can see the secrets of the hair gel. What's under that windbreaker? I'm gonna know soon enough. My god, I love your Steve Buscemi-like body.

Always wanted to be with the lot lizard. No, she's the one that chases the lot lizards away. Get out of here, I told you, you can't get out of here. Get out of here, you're stealing my cock. Alright, I'm going away, don't want to take all the cock. And so, when Michaela inevitably confided in her husband and told him that they should maybe think about leaving the murder cult, he decided then and there that it was only a matter of time.

On October 3rd, 2012, about two months after Pastor Redd was killed, Michaela told Electus Perdeus that she was leaving. I'm putting in my two weeks. And as soon as Michaela left the room, Cecilia told her kill crew that they had an obvious mission ahead of them. You know who we're gonna murder next? I want you all to know that we are gonna murder someone very important next. It's Michaela. She's just in the other room room like getting ice in the water. But as opposed to their other intricately planned murders this one was going to be relatively

simple. Actually now that I say it this isn't relatively simple at all. There's a whole everything has this fucking Byzantine network of fucking plans within plans upon it. Because it gets them busy on the details of the plans Yeah, I'm not thinking about the murder until it's too late. That's very true, and they're just creating more evidence The plan was to send Marinda and Marcel into Zack and Michaela's house to kill Michaela and trash the house to make it look like A robbery gone wrong. That's the simple part Zack meanwhile was set to meet a real estate agent under the auspice of selling his home and when they walked into Zach's house to find

Michaela's dead body Zach could be like oh no they murdered my wife oh no what happened. And you have to practice that. Have you guys practiced that? My wife! Very good. convincing very good that's a part of my vocal warm-ups in the morning I find Natalie dead she doesn't like it and imagine up and so at 8 a.m. on October 4th the very next day after Michaicaela told Electus Perdeus that she was leaving, Marinda and her 14-year-old daughter Marcel drove to Zach and Micaela's house with a 14-inch serrated knife and a hammer. Now tell me, do you want the hammer? Or you want the knife, honey?

Why don't they have better weapons? I think they liked it. It's that whole make it witchy thing. If the weapons are just simple it looks horrible Also, I think that they to be honest. I don't think they knew where to get weapons I think they're just getting what they get I think they knew they'd show later on they know exactly where to get weapons Yeah, they know exactly where to get from the hardware store. Yeah, I think they just wanted it to be like a movie

Yeah, I think I wanted to be like a horror movie. I think they wanted it to be like a horror movie. You want it as much blood as possible. I forgot they're obsessed, or Cecilia was obsessed with horror movies. Oh yeah. Well for Zach's part, he made sure to drug Michaela's coffee before leaving for work to make sure that the murder would be an easy one. And so just after Zach gave the signal to Marinda and Marcel when he was on the way out of the house that Michaela was passed out, the murder crew walked inside.

When the mother and daughter found Michaela fast asleep, Marinda, hungry for another murder, she bashed Michaela's head with a hammer, working herself into a frenzy. She soon switched to the knife, stabbing and slashing Michaela over and over again, all in front of her 14-year-old daughter. But as we all know from Ed Kemper, it's far harder to kill someone without a gun than you might think, and Michaela woke up in the midst of being murdered. All she could get out was the word, Marinda, to which Marinda said, I'm going to murder you now.

But as Michaela mumbled out a prayer in a drug stupor, Marinda remembered that Cecilia had requested that the teenage Marcel participate in the murder as well. Marinda handed her daughter the knife and told her to stab Michaela, but Marcel only gave it a half-hearted attempt, claiming that the knife wouldn't go in. Unfazed, Marinda said that it was alright because she was almost finished anyway. after taking the knife back, Marinda stabbed Michaela over and over again, until both the prayers and the blood spurts ended. In all, Michaela Valentine

was stabbed 64 times. Which does sort of negate the whole robbery gone wrong angle. Now, would you call that gentle parenting? It's okay. I can take it. It's definitely more grace than my dad gave me when we tried fixing the fucking lawnmower Oh God forbid I try to help my father with anything technical like I can't even imagine trying to murder somebody with my dad

Now after Michaela died Miranda and Marcel wrapped the body in a heated blanket Now after Michaela died, Marinda and Marcel wrapped the body in a heated blanket because Cecilia had told them that heating up the body would cause it to decay quicker and the time of death would be harder to determine. This is all... Cecilia's just sitting in the townhouse. Just making up random shit. Yep. And staying with the original plan, Marinda took all the valuables from the home, then

went back to Cecilia's apartment where they all sat around watching DVDs with Leroux. I mean, it's just incredible to think that they just sat there watching movies after committing an 8 a.m. murder on a Thursday. All I know is that nothing makes me feel more whimsy girl and comedic than watching that little squirrel in Ice Age. I love the high jinksy ghost. Ah, yeah. South Africa.

See, I was going to guess Wedding Crashers. I looked up what movies were really big that year. I'd say Pitch Perfect. I can see that making the jump over the ocean. Oh yeah. Or 21 Jumps to either one. Both fun. Yeah fun and staying with you Well, technically if it's a Celia it is just horror movies from top to bottom. That's all she would watch

Yeah, she would watch they said that like hundreds and hundreds of horror movies That's likable. Yeah, it makes me kind of get her. Mm-hmm But while the murder crew were hanging out at Cecilia's, Zach Valentine had to complete his part of the plan. At 2pm, about 6 hours after his wife was murdered, Zach showed up to his house with a real estate agent, a woman named Estelle Schyte, who was there to take photos for a listing and show the house to some potential buyers that afternoon.

And so, when Zach and Estelle parked in the garage, Zach made a big show of saying that his wife was at home before they headed inside. You're going to love my wife. She's totally alive and she is the nicest lady in the living room. All right. We're going to go up the four flights of stairs to my wife. We're going to go say hello to her alive face and we're going to hang out and you're going to look at our totally unsullied half bath.

Zippity doo dah, zippity, yah, yah. See you sale houses often? The house, however, was dark and Zach kept calling out, hello my love, over and over again until they finally found Michaela's body. Zach, of course, gave it the perfunctory, oh no. Oh, it got,! Oh, not alive! And Estelle called the police. Zach meanwhile went to the kitchen to get some juice because he was diabetic and seeing the body of your murdered wife apparently dropped your blood sugar. It's good to know! Yeah. Zach then called his father while they waited for the cops, but after hanging

up, Zach asked Estelle, quote, this is what Estelle said that he asked her. Will you still be able to sell the house? Ha! Are the buyers still coming this afternoon? Because I don't want to miss on that. I know how hard that is. Should I get a little scrub brush? No.

Honestly, I feel like this way, we could bump it up. Yeah. Right? True crime. Well, dumbfounded Estelle told Zach that she'd already canceled the appointment. Damn dude, that's fast. You even fucking asked me?

Yeah, come on, I'm trying to sell this house. Now by 4.30 both the police and the trauma counselor were on the scene, but the counselor was also surprised when he heard Zach laughing and chatting with his parents on the phone. Yeah, I told her, he wouldn't believe it. We were coming up the elevator and the first thing I was just being like, my wife's totally alive upstairs. And I was just like, you're going to see a load of alive face and we're going to go through

the living room. She's almost alive. Woman in the living room, the egg on my face. You wouldn't believe it, dad. You would've loved it. Likewise. The police were surprised when Zach asked them how long they were going to carting his wife away Wow because he was worried about the cats Yeah, yeah had to feed the cats they get sad. Yeah, this was a question He asked multiple times to many people at the scene. We wrapping this up soon. I mean slapper in a doggie bag or something It's gonna be easier to pick her up with all the holes, huh? She's gotta be lighter without all the blood Way a lot right. I was thinking too is we don even have to take the stairs, we could just slide her

body out the window. And his almost eager desire to return to the scene of his wife's murder was seen as strange, to say the least. Zach even joked to Estelle that, cause she was supposed to take pictures of the house. So he turns to her as the police are taking pictures of the crime scene and he says you'll get your photos Just not the ones he had in mind. Oh, yeah. He's a funny guy. He's a real funny guy. Is he Rob Schneider? You know, that's the things that sometimes you know, like dark comedy. That's just how you deal with that I mean that's you know, that low humor just jokes. It's how you deal with the murder of your wife

immediately after 64 stab wounds It's not even like it's not like she got it's an accident of your wife immediately after it happened. 64 stab wounds. It's not even like, it's not like she got, it's an accident. I mean, not that any form of your wife being murdered is better or worse, but if she's turned into charcuterie and you're just like, we're wrapping this up. Actually I got to, I'm supposed to learn how to play racquetball at four. Saying nothing would have been better. Yeah. Yeah. That's what these people always do. They always get really chatty because

they're nervous. So they get chatty and they don't and they're not but they're not feeling anything so they forget themselves. They're not good actors. Now all of this behavior was extremely suspicious and the ominous feeling at the scene only grew when police discovered two assassination kits under Zach and Michaela's bed that included a pair of gloves a Balaclava cable ties knives strangling wire and a handgun. No, it's a whole ISIS role-playing thing. We told President Georgina Bush What's a balaclava as like the thing that you put over your face to hide your face your ski mask Oh balaclava. Yeah, Zack. However, wasn't questioned or taken into custody

He was left at home and that night instead of sleeping on the couch He just flipped over the bloody mattress where his wife had been killed and he slept just fine on the other side Hotel room, you know, call your cousin. Anything. Now flip over the mattress. Now concerning cult relations here, there were still people that were not firmly in either Cecilia or Rhea's camp. Melanie Van Der Merve, for example, she was still talking to both of them and she told Rhea that Michaela Valentine had been murdered. Again, Rhea had the right idea, but the wrong motivation. She immediately thought that Cecilia was responsible, and the death of Michaela Valentine also put

together some pieces in Rhea's mind that made her think that Cecilia was also probably behind the deaths of Natasha Berger and Pastor Regbin Dixon. I think I finally know what's happening here. What she got wrong, though, was that she believed that Cecilia was collaborating with the Satanic Church but was acting alone, while everyone else in Electus Perdaeus were completely innocent. In other words, her insane worldview was completely distorting reality and was preventing her from seeing what was really happening. Because she can't possibly believe that she is not the subject of the forces of Satan.

And they are not coming to topple her most powerful, truly redemptive version of the power of Christ. Like she literally just thinks that like it's all about Rhea. Well I think it's also because like she can't believe that the other people on electus per day as her cult members because she's still seeing them as lost sheep. Well, because she thinks everybody that's not anybody that's not saved the way she saved this lost sheep because you remember she was in the group. Yeah.

So she was there and she was the founder of the group. And essentially I think that it's almost on the idea of being like, pull them. If my magical powers can't work, they're all just a bunch of lost cats. Also, it's not like she's doing a worse job of finding out who the killer is than the cops. No, she's actually closer than they are. What if OG just shows up?

Cecilia, meanwhile, was telling the members of Electus Perdeus, who weren't involved in Michaela's murder, that it was the overcomers who'd killed her. Everyone knew, however, that it wasn't a coincidence that Michaela had been killed the day after she left, and they took note that whether it was the other members of Electus Perdaeus or the Satanic Church itself who did the deed, death was the consequence of disobeying Cecilia. Going even deeper into that concept, Miranda directly told her children, Marcel and the Rue, that if they ever told anyone what happened or if they tried to run away, then she would kill them

herself, just like she'd murdered people twice before. Just remember, I'm the baby factory and I can make two more just like you. That's what my, it's kind of funny because that's like, truly that was like a joke my parents used to say. Every parent has that one I feel like you know like I take I brought you into this world and I'll take you out Oh, yeah, they all say that yeah, oh, I know yeah now some of the people who would oh I know it's one of my favorites

Now some of the people who had just a foot in the door of this cult were shocked enough by Michaela's murder that they slowly Began backing away, but they never fully left after seeing what had happened to Michaela. See while cult member Amber Dupreeze was initially drawn closer into the cult by the murder of Natasha Berger, she now began to realize that Cecilia was the real danger here, so she limited herself to weekly meetings to keep up appearances. What? Like, yo, so she became like elapsed? Like per deus?

Did she just get, she just, she goes to mass on Sundays but not on Wednesday nights. I get it. But Amber's boyfriend James Vermauck, he started spending more time with the cult after the murder of Michaela Valentine and he became closer to Zack, possibly out of some sense of sympathy for the death of Zack's wife. But once Vermauck came closer, Cecilia started grooming him for the murder crew by giving her a knife from her personal collection. This it was said, this was how you knew that Cecilia liked you.

But as far as their next murder victim went, the logical choice was Rhea Grunwald. Oh yeah! But as I said earlier, Cecilia had painted herself into a corner when she said that Rhea couldn't be killed lest Cecilia die as well due a corner when she said that Rhea couldn't be killed Let Cecilia die as well due to their so-called maternal bond and again But I feel like she could change the rules if she wanted to so I think that this is it is just What do we do without Rhea like the fact that she also knows? Heats going towards Rhea and whether or not her husband has anything to do with it is also might have the factor Yeah, she couldn't die.

She couldn't die. What if Rhea was unable to be killed? Yeah. Ah, God. But Cecilia still wanted to hurt Rhea as badly as she possibly could. So it was finally time to take it to the highest level. Electus Perdeus decided to murder Rhea's son, Joshua. Second highest level. son Joshua second highest level

What's the highest level is Ria Ria? Oh, yeah, and then God him For being a double agent. Do you know that? Oh, I didn't really didn't realize that was happening Yeah, God's a fucking double agent dude for Satan on himself That's what's going on here. That's why he made abortion awesome and illegal That's why he made abortion awesome and illegal Now for justification for murdering Ria's son Cecilia once more returned to the orphans who had pretty much become priority number one for electus per dayus No one talking to the American officials like honestly like this. Where are the orphans? They just America are they just in a fat like they're in like a warehouse like it's like Batman old Batman cartoon Like are they all like tied up in one big rope?

Are they just like hanging out there with the evil Satanist going like yes? The one thing Satanists love more than anything is hanging out with children Especially fucking whiny ass orphans. These are orphans that have been sent to a special orphanage because their Satanist parents had abandoned them because they didn't want the kids to grow up in Satanism. Dude, Evil Annie dude. That's a fucking show right there. Evil Annie Satanist children and the fucking everybody's a problem child? Yeah.

Awesome. I'm writing that. Alright. Well, Cecilia said that she was having visions that the Satanic Church was using someone to target the safety of the orphans, and that someone was Joshua Grunwald. For Joshua's part, he was very much just some guy working at a tech company who had, at best, a frayed relationship with his insane mother Being the only one of Ria's children who still spoke to her and he spoke to her sporadically at that

He's doing his best to not be involved Proving all the other kids right? Yeah, exactly That's what happened when you barely talked to mom. Yeah. Yeah, you get involved in a murder plot But when Cecilia named Joshua as their target the only one who pushed back was James Vermaugh. He had been called into the inner circle for this one, but was apparently unaware of all the murders Alexis Perdeus had committed previously. What?

Yeah, no way. But my thing is, honestly, I thought this was gonna be like an orgy kind of thing. You know what I mean? Like I came here kind of thinking. That's usually what an inner circle is. I thought that this was gonna be, I thought we were gonna have a sex with the whole family. I was like kind of interested in that. That was kind of what I was

really hoping for you know having sex with the daughter, having sex with the son, having sex with the mom, having sex with the daughter with the son, having sex with the son and the mother in one. You know what I mean? You're telling me we're gonna murder someone? Fah! I'm glad we weren't overcomers, but I thought we were at least comers. I mean, jeez. Well, James spoke to Cecilia alone and suggested that maybe, as Christians, was a murder kind of wrong? Like sort of a biggie? Oh no. First mistake. But Cecilia pulled out the Old Testament once again, saying that God ordered murder all the time, so why shouldn't she do the same if it was justified, which always was because it was God and then New Testament technically Theologically supposed to like rebirth the idea of the angry vengeful God into a more considerate

Forgiving God. Yeah. No, you know what they do. They like to take pick and choose the shit that they like No, but it's in the new and it's the true also if God Was real he'd be a fucking asshole He gives AIDS the kids The James was somewhat convinced but still struggled to understand why they were allowed to break the first commandment So willy-nilly, but he nevertheless agreed to put a tracking device on Ria's car so they could find Joshua. Now the plan to kill Joshua was to call him where he worked, a place called Internet Solutions, and tell him that he needed to come out to fix their Wi-Fi. Because their Wi-Fi wasn't working, you gotta come out and fix it.

Well, you know, yeah, okay. Sure, but... But Joshua was a systems engineer. Yeah, I don't do Wi-Fi installation. You're talking to the cable company. Well, he kept referring them to IT, because the company did do, they were called Internet Solutions.

They were like an IP, like they were an internet company back before it all got bundled in with cable. Have you typed in www.websitename.southafrica? Have you unplugged it and waited two minutes and then plugged it back in? Have you? Well, he kept referring them to IT, no matter how irate they became in their constant calls.

He's like, I'm sorry, it's not my job. I don't know why you keep calling me and asking me to do this. This isn't my job. I don't do this. Yeah, when this plan didn't work, the cult decided to just follow Joshua until no one was around.

They'd jump him, throw him in the trunk of the car, stab him to death, and bury his body. Yeah, done! That is very proficient. In preparation, Cecilia even had LaRue pre-dig graves in three locations, one of which would be chosen depending on the location of the murder. You never want to be too far away from an open hole. Yes, I know that for certain. All I want to be is within two to three moist inches of a big wide gaping open here. Finally they decided to contact Joshua Grunwald directly through Zach Valentine, who used his job as an insurance agent as an excuse to contact Joshua so he could sell him life insurance.

How is Zach not in prison? He's insane! It's insane how it took so long. Joshua actually agreed and set up a meeting with Zach outside of his workplace. At that meeting, just like they'd done with Natasha Berger, Zach pumped him for intel that could be used to work up a better murder plan. Where do you eat sleep? What's your favorite thing to do on Tuesday? Wednesday? Thursday? What do you do nights? What do you do in the morning? What do you do? What do you...

How do you like your coffee? Where do you go for coffee? Why don't they just kill him then? Well, because you gotta get the information so no one else is around. Meanwhile, in a risky attempt to get James Vermock fully on board, Cecilia bragged to him about how she got Zack to murder Pastor Regbin Dixon with an axe. Zack then said, oh yeah, I totally murdered that guy with an axe. Yeah, you know what I did buddy. Man, that day was a fucking day.

It was awesome buddy. You're not recording this are you? This confession however had the opposite effect on James Vermock. Yeah, it should have. It freaked him the fuck out. Yeah, because they're all like, buddy, if you're here for, oh, you thought you were going to fuck this family? No, no, friend, we're killing people.

Yep. Vermock, however, did not go to the police immediately because he, like many people in these types of realities, was able to hold two opposing ideas in his head at the same time. He believed Cecilia when she said that the police were working for her, so he couldn't go to him for that reason. But he also believed that the police were working for the Satanic Church, meaning that he thought he had nowhere to go with the information he was given. So after calming down and realizing that he would die if he pushed back any further,

he pretended like he was gung-ho for the murder of Joshua Grunwald, while also trying to figure out how to escape the cult. Can I give a... This is a helpful get-out thing, all right? For anybody right now, let's say you are listening to this episode while you yourself are stuck inside of a death cult and you want to leave. This is what you do.

Hey, I'm going out to the store to buy some bullets. Yeah. Don't come back. It don't even have to be bullets. It could be Pepsi. Go out there and just say, like if there needs to run, like anytime someone says oh we're out of toilet paper you just go like I'll make the run. Yeah. Don't come back. Yeah. Just fucking keep driving. But the problem with that was with these people in this worldview is that they believe that they can get you anywhere No matter where you go, they're gonna be able to find you and they're gonna get you

But I just don't really understand because then isn't God also that's a that's a whole thing is that isn't God super powerful? Well, no, it's but that's a thing. You're You're applying logic to this thing. You can't apply logic to this thing at all to none of this It's cognitive dissonance is at its best. They're holding a bunch of opposing ideas. I think it's not making it's at its worst Unbelievable cognitive dissonance at its best was the smile album Well as far as why he was spending less time with electus per deus Well as far as why he was spending less time with Electus Perdeus, Vermaak told Cecilia that he was really just under a lot of pressure at work. Just so stressed.

Like, you know, that's what it is. That's why I reacted negatively to the plan of murder. I was just so like, ah. You know, I just got so much going on. I was like, so much on my plate. Yeah, he said he had to concentrate on that for the time being instead of their holy war against Satan. Hey, you know.

Finally though, Zach approached James and asked him if he was in or out regarding the murder of Joss Grunwald, telling Zach quite explicitly that if he was out, he was going to end up like Michaela. Cecilia then told him the exact same thing. In way too deep, James said, sure, totally in for murder, just say when. I'll move the numbers meeting to Friday. Behind their backs though, James confided to a friend from work named Justice Ramachia about the whole situation and asked him how he thought they could prevent Joshua's murder, not to mention his own. Can I ask a little advice?

Hey, what are you doing? Yeah, you want to go get tender greens? Can I get a what would you do here? Yeah, okay, yeah, sure, absolutely. advice yeah you want to go get tender greens yeah sure absolutely I think the main thing is that take all of Brad's notes you're gonna want to collate like a lot of the pages here so that's so yeah if you're looking for advice yeah that's what I tell you no it's more of like I'm in this death call yeah so are you on the are you an overcomer or an undercomer? Oh no, no, I work for the government. Oh, great. Yes, we're gonna kill a man named Josh.

Justice, who's an incredible work friend. Yeah, that is a very trusted co-worker. He came up with a plan. Now, it's a little confusing, but vermoe can played by Seth Rogan Says that quite the tough sit. I'll tell you what you got to do man. You just gotta let that bitch cry it out Murder is a little more casual over there. It does seem so. It's the fourth highest murder rate in the world. Now it's a little confusing, but James Vermaak convinced Alexis Perdeus that because his friend Justice was an undocumented immigrant, he could be the one to kill Joshua

Groomwall and then he just disappeared. And Zach agreed. Yeah, Justice comes, he's like, Oh la compadres CC may necessito murder. Oh because Then me have reason to go back to Mexico Entirely for it Zack agreed but when he gave justice the gun and a payout Justice just disappeared and nobody got killed out justice just disappeared and nobody got killed Fuck that dude First smart guy in the whole fucking story Yeah fuck that justice Take the money and run Good for you dude

Yeah way to go man Weirdly though Cecilia didn't immediately follow up on the plan to kill Joshua Instead they just sort of sat on it Honestly it's just ruined for me now I like his name It's like you trust people and just break your heart every time. But them sitting on it gave James the time to build up the courage to finally go to the police. He told them everything he knew, which included direct confessions

to multiple murders and two credible threats for future murders. And so James was set up with a wire, and next time he visited the cult, he recorded not only full confessions to the murders of Natasha Berger, Joy Boonsayer, Regbin Dixon, and Michaela Valentine, but also the future plan to one day get around to maybe killing Josh Grunwald. Yeah, so all right, so they're arrested. We'll see you next week. What a great series. Good work, Marcus. You know? You'd think that would be the end of the story, that James would return to the cops with the

recordings and the Alexis Perdeus cult will be arrested immediately and bing, bing, boom, we got this weird story of a Christian cult who pretended to be Satanist and killed four people. Oh my God, what a great series. But that's not at all what happened. See, James Vermaak and his girlfriend Amber DuPries were placed into witness protection, and Joshua Grunwald was contacted

by the National Occult Unit and warned about a Satanist plot to kill him, albeit two weeks after James Vermaak turned in the tapes. They had to go through a lot of tapes. But absolutely nothing happened to anyone in Electus Perdeus, and we have no idea why. It's claimed that the files containing their confessions were corrupted or damaged somehow, and there was supposedly some sort of investigative kerfluffle that derailed the whole thing. But we do know that the information did make it through some pipeline because Joshua Grunwald was warned and he did move away as a result,

and the other two were put in a witness protection paperwork had to be filled out for that. Yeah. And later police officers would claim that they had infiltrated the cult after they got the tapes. But there is no evidence of this claim at all. From what it seemed, someone just made the whole thing go away. Or it's another example. It could possibly be another example of,

if you tell everybody, we've spent all this money creating these occult crime investigative units. This entire country is gripped in a religious fervor that is still, like, reverberating. It's killing, it's been now officially killing people. We have, as a government agency, we have the government came forward and said, Satanic cults are real,

and they're killing people, and they're doing all the shit. So this is in a huge story that shows what is actually happening, which is the idea of a satanic cult going on a murder spree is Extremely fucking stupid yeah, and it doesn't actually happen like that like it just doesn't it's not reality No movie and not only that but the way that they've been positing it for years has actually created the very murder sprees that They were afraid of happening in The first place yes, and cecilia based everything she knew about Satanism from horror films And she's just Michelle remembers in satanic panic shit

She's just kind of recycling it back out So if they were to bust this crime and go through this whole thing kind of showing that this gigantic system of Satan ofous, satanic cults could possibly be orchestrated by this pack of fucking idiots. That maybe there's like a thing of like, you know, if we show everybody that these satanic cults are real, are we out of jobs? I mean, I think it's... I think even that's too complicated. Yeah, I guess. Sure.

If I were to take a guess I'd say that Cecilia's police officer husband finally took her aside and said Listen here missy. All right. Listen, all right. All right. Hold one second. I should think it's a point I hate these fucking I hate don't you I hate these things we have to get the one guy from the other You know, you got that like a company that guy escort quest. I hate escort quest you I hate these things we have to get the one guy from the other you know you got that like a company that got the escort quest Yeah, you probably he minded like Took her aside and said hey whole thing whole cult things got a little too far Yeah, knock it off

Yeah, cuz we can only cover up so many murders. That's what my dad had to do with my mom's quilt store The only other explanation I can think of as to why the investigation went nowhere even after full confessions is Cecilia really was a satanic witch werewolf this whole time. You're right, she is. And that the South African police really were on the satanic payroll. Yeah, actually you know what? Yeah, so she's right. But the occult cops, wouldn't it just prove their worth if they stopped it?

No, it's the opposite. Yeah, it was the absolute opposite. It would show that the cult isn't real, that it's a bunch of idiots in a fight. Well, there is a cult, but they're calling themselves a Christian cult yeah it's like when they shot showed the guy who shot Donald Trump and who was a Republican mm-hmm they buried that story pretty quickly but knowing what we know corruption involving the thin blue line is a far more likely scenario especially in South Africa now perhaps because Cecilia was given a

stern talking to, the cult never got around to murdering Joshua Grunwald. Besides, he had moved away and they couldn't find him anyway. Wow, he just got to go on and live his life. That's nice of him. I believe it, mom! Probably not even that. He had no idea that he was this close to being murdered. He had a very good idea when the Occult Crimes Unit got a hold of him. Oh yeah. And said, hey there's a cult that's planning to murder you. You better move. He's like, why won't they kill my mom? Well, partly it might be because Ria Grunwald finally gave up her own personal

crusade. After trying to work with the police to take down Cecilia and get nowhere, Ria ran away to another town and started a new life under a new name. And understandably her family never spoke to her again. Tria. Yeah. Leah. And so, with no enemy to focus upon and therefore no more murders to order, Electus Perdeus

basically did nothing except smoke meth and meet up to jabber at each other for hours on end for the next two years. I do have to remember that is just how much meth is involved. Yeah, and just so everyone knows we were contacted by many former meth users. I'm proud. Thank you guys. Very good work. Very proud of you for getting through that. Very proud of you. But they told us that yes, $400 a week on meth does indeed mean you're spending a lot of money on meth.

You're doing a lot of meth. Sounded like a lot. It does. And I do think that that is the secret ingredient of this whole thing. Yeah, and it's even if it's a group of people. They said like even you get five people, $400 worth of meth, like you can still invite another friend. Yeah. Yeah. But regardless, Zach eventually sold the home where Michaela was murdered and moved closer to Cecilia, while LaRue graduated high school and tried to live a normal life even though he still lived under his mother's thumb. LaRue worked as a salesperson for a furniture store called House and Home during the day

and spent evenings as a bartender at Cecilia's favorite bar. That name's redundant. House and Home. It is. You don't need to call it both. Very much so. Yes, very dumb. But he was this bartender at the limelight pub and grill well actually house is where you you fuck a drifter

And home is where then you go home and make love to your wife Zack Valentine That's what makes a home so mistake yeah Yeah, house a house has no electricity and you can commit many crimes there Yeah, you can take a dump in the living room and don't says anything, but yeah home has like blankets Zach Valentine meanwhile bought a new house two BMWs and a Mercedes-Benz living the life How is this guy not been caught? He's a fucking baller dude. He's the most confident man He was ever lived Yeah

And this is all while he was still donating large sums of money to pay for the fictitious American orphans while also paying for Cecilia's psychiatrist appointments, which must have been fucking wild, you know Or is it the opposite? It's going mean like I'm really having like I wanted to sing karaoke's the other night night I was just so not feeling down on myself and then I realized talking to dr. Nish Nish that I I should sing whenever I walked do you think she was actually going to the psychiatrist appointments yeah he was just taking money but also she was taking just well the psychiatrist appointments? Yeah, he was just taking money But also she was taking just well, I think when she wanted to yeah

And that's the things that she kept the orphan thing going constantly like it was like it was that whole two years It's always like hey Zach. So where's the orphan payment for this month? Like I keep those orphans alive So is Cecilia also doing math? Yeah How is she keeping a schedule? It's gonna it does unravel there Yeah, and there have been many functional meth heads over the years. Yeah, Johnny Depp That mayor Dinkins was the mayor was his name that was crack. Yeah And it was Marion Barry Marion Barry. Yeah, Johnny Depp just has to be a pirate Mary. Yeah. Johnny Depp just has to be a pirate. He doesn't need anything else.

But things started heating up again when a man named John Barnard moved in with Marinda sometime in 2014. Barnard worked at a local shop called Color Magic Printing, which was owned by a wealthy Kruger's Dorp couple named Peter and Joan Mayer. Barnard had known Cecilia since 2007, back when he was a meth dealer, and he reconnected with Cecilia in 2013 when she started burning and selling bootleg DVDs. Yeah, I mean, that's cool, that's hot. And he soon after started sleeping with Marinda. Now, allegedly, Barnard had no knowledge of the four murders the cult had already committed when he was welcomed into the social circle. Because he was welcomed into the social circle first, before he was welcomed into the cult itself. Two different things. Little did he know though that the cult was just getting started and still had seven murders to go. Yeah dude, it's just kicking off.

The rest of Electus Perdeus meanwhile kept going with their daily lives a little while longer, but everything changed when Zach got a little too confident. Hey, where do you think that confidence is gonna go dude? We quit his job as an insurance agent to start his own business called Entire deity trading. Yeah, man stockbroker. Yeah, where's he get like where else is a meth head gonna go? Yeah, man, you're already super confident. You're laced to the tits on meth. Of course you're selling You're gonna be sure it's all in in a second and they got a bunch of phones that they can use Never off the phone. Yeah, he's still sleeping on the same mattress. I Know he moved to the same to a different house

I don't know if he did along with LaRue's that tried breaking into the foreign exchange because he brought in a little Rue too He's like man, we got a quick fucking your fucking job You gotta come work with me at insider daily exchange. Nothing would make me happier Than to play with fake money because in a way he's not all life a game Yes, I'm high as balls But as it turned out both of them were terrible at the job and Zach was soon losing his clients money as well as his own Let's just say Stocks gotta go to sleep for a little while It's cold resting and then they're gonna get back up get breakfast get lunch and that's where we're gonna be at

With her cash cow now running dry we're gonna be at With her cash cow now running dry Cecilia started getting anxious about money So she trotted out the old orphan chestnut one more time to get her people worked up again Saying that if they didn't get more money somehow the orphans would fall prey to Satan But that was once they turn 18. They're on the road. Oh, yeah By this point the cult was down to bare bones. The only OG members left were Zach, Miranda, and her two kids, LaRue and Marcel. But in order to get the information on a good target, she needed to bring John Barnard fully

into the cult. Now, as I said, Barnard worked for a company called Color Magic Printing, and having worked there for 19 years, he knew that the owners, Peter and Joe Meyer, were worth millions. And so the Myers became the next target of Electus Perdaeus so they could once again, ostensibly, send money to the satanic orphans. It's really then, it's getting looser and looser. Yes.

The reasons why. Now the plan at the outset was not to kill the Myers, but to simply rob them. And that sort of intimidation game was a lot easier with a gun. So Cecilia used her connections to the local brothel, Elite 24, to find an illegal arms dealer. Through him, Electus Perdeus bought a.38 special, several Glocks, a.303 hunting rifle, a shotgun, and a.22 revolver. Jesus Christ, she really goes all out.

She's one of those. She's a completist. It's crazy that people just put... She's sitting there doing meth, she knows all these sex workers, buying guns, and everyone's like, you know what, she's close to God than anyone. Yeah, it does seem. She really has a special relationship with Jesus Christ. Each member of the cult was able to choose their own gun, but Cecilia insisted that each one of them give their weapon a name. Miranda, for example, chose the 38 Special, named it Charlie.

Once the cult was armed, they began reconnaissance on the best way to rob Peter and Joan Meyer. Their eventual plan was to visit the Meyer home disguised as officials from the Department of Trade and Industry because their inside man, Barnard had told Cecilia that the Myers were wanting to build a water park in South Africa Two words for you my friend wave pool Have you heard of it? It's also no I haven't I live in South Africa. Yes. Well, it's a play You know waves are in the ocean Yes now imagine smaller Controllable waves in a way. I've saw it in a magazine. They're also famously running out of water in South Africa

So posing as a government official named Gloria So posing as a government official named Gloria, Miranda cold-called the Myers to offer financing to make their insane dream of a South African water park a reality. Hello, I heard, before our little birdie told me we were trying to build a water park! I've been like, my god, yes! I was trying to build a water park and all I have is this shovel! This call however was confusing to the Myers because they hadn't made their water park plans public. But maybe blinded by their own ambition, the Myers agreed to an appointment on November

19, 2015. That meeting, however, had to be postponed when LaRue accidentally shot himself in the groin. I missed my date! Thank God I missed my date! This is the dumbest way to masturbate! Ah, my balls! My balls are aired!

You look so sexy gone! Oh, my penis! My penis is thin enough to fit in the hole! My penis is thin enough to fit in the hole! My penis is thin enough to fit in the hole! But when the meeting was rescheduled to November 24th, But when the meeting was rescheduled to November 24th, it was decided that the robbery team

would be comprised of Marinda, Zach and Marcel. Now Marinda was able to bullshit quite well. During the meeting on the 24th, she kept the Myers talking for 45 minutes wherein Peter discussed his water park plans at length. Can you even imagine? You've got a giraffe, you ride a giraffe in there, and there's zebras in there You go a cup of parrots in there, and there's an area, bin, spiders in there Sounds more like a zoo

And we get some lions What goes in a waterfall? Halfway through, Miranda's like, you know, I kind of want to build this water bottle. Yeah, immediately. Actually, sounds like an incredible idea. Cards on the table here. I'm actually in a cult. But Miranda, she actually called an audible and changed the plan from robbery to a straight

up scam. She called the Myers the next day and tried pulling a Nigerian prince, saying that she needed almost $60,000 to complete some paperwork and bribe government officials, and as soon as you give me the money, I can give you the money back and we can get this water park made. Smartly but fatally, the Myers declined the offer. The cult really did a song and dance for this one. Even going so far as to fake and print out

financing paperwork. God, they work so hard. Just build the water park thing. It's like, start your dream now. But when a second attempt at a scam failed, Miranda called Peter and insisted they meet at his home to try and work it out Reluctantly Peter agreed and so at 5 p.m

Zack arrived at Peter's home with Marinda and Marcel with a plan to rob Peter and Joan Myers See the last time they'd been there the cult noticed that the Myers had an empty pool So their plan was to tie up Peter and Joan and throw them in the pool while they robbed the place. You want to build a water park and you can't even put water in your own pool? That's the ironic part about it. Honestly, it's been a bit of a challenge across the board. I honestly don't even like to drink water. Ah, but much to their surprise, the pool had been filled since their last visit cement cement to the very top

Now have a sidewalk Once again foiled on my way to a water park So the crew improvised while Marinda made small talk Zack looked around nervously for other options Yeah, you mean like ah, what do I do? There's no water there. There's no water over there We can't do it with timer the roof. She would call a realtor But when it became clear that their only way forward was brute force Miranda pulled out her revolver and told Peter and Joan to get on the ground. They complied, and while Marcel tied up their hands and feet with cable ties, Miranda demanded

that they hand over their cash and tell them where their safe was. Peter, truthfully, told them that they didn't have a safe, and they didn't keep any cash in the house. You didn't do your recon correct. Yep. Then the situation very quickly didn't do your recon correct. Yep. Then the situation very quickly devolved into a full clutter. Zach pulled out a knife and asked again.

And when Peter didn't have an answer because he really didn't have a safe, Zach stabbed Joan Meyer. Peter then started saying the Lord's Prayer because he knew, oh fuck, we're dead. Which caused Zach to stab him over and over again. I hate this fucking prayer. I hate this stupid ass prayer.

Surprisingly though, the usually bloodthirsty Miranda asked Zack how he expected to find the safe if they killed the fucking hostages. But Zack was now deliriously homicidal. Yeah, yeah, tell me I'm an idiot for becoming a stuck guy. Telling, I can't move, stuck. fill in the pool. Why don't you? He started switching between the bodies stabbing Peter then stabbing Joan and going back and forth again and again and again until both Of them were dead, but at that moment one of Peter's employees knocked on the door

Peter unbeknownst to the cult had asked one of his guys to join the meeting, but Peter's guy Blowing on it's too hot to the cult had asked one of his guys to join the meeting. But Peter's guy had shown up late. When there was no answer at the door, he called Peter's cell, and for some reason, of all people, Marcel answered the phone. This girl, who is now 18 years old, improised and told the police that Peter and his wife were fighting and things were a bit hectic at the house So if he wouldn't mind probably be best if he came back later The employee thought it was odd that this girl that he didn't know was imparting this information But hey, man, it's my fucking boss and I don't care He did as he was told and he went home.

In the end though, after searching through the entire house, the cult came out of this double murder with the whopping sum of $40.30. Needless to say, Cecilia was not happy when the crew returned to her apartment. Immediately Cecilia started screaming at Zach for fucking up and killing two people for $40. It's important to note that Cecilia's police officer Zach for fucking up and killing two people for $40. It's important to note that Cecilia's police officer husband was in the apartment for all of this. What'd you say back there?

Oh, just give me one. Oh man, I'm gonna have to do it again. I have to equip my fucking shield. What are you guys talking about? Murder in there? Oh, I bet you're, I hope you're being allegorical. Fuck, I really wish these fucking Dark Souls games could pause, but they can't! They have to stay!

But even though the take was minuscule, Cecilia still honored the cuts, and John Barnard got $11.50 for selling out the people who'd given him a job for almost 20 years. They all then went to the casino to try to make something out of their paltry sums. Sun City! Yeah! But Zach and John immediately lost their shares. And that's why they call it craps. Marcel however turned her ten bucks into a hundred and fifteen.

So there's some small celebration to be had. That's nice! Good for them! But it just so happened that Cecilia needed exactly a hundred and fifteen dollars to pay for medication to treat her failing kidney. What a little miracle! Yeah, so the money went right back to the leader. Wow.

Now the police were again no help in solving or even investigating the murder of Peter and Joan, and it's worth noting that things have not gotten any better in South Africa. Their murder clearance rate as of today is embarrassingly low. It's 12%. So again, I wouldn't be too quick to ascribe conspiracy here. That low clearance rate could be why the children of Peter and Joan Meyer hired a private investigator to solve the case. Very quickly, the PI spotted a silver BMW on CCTV footage, and that BMW was quickly traced back to…Zack Valentine because he'd finally fucked up.

He'd forgotten to switch the plates. Usually they always switch the license plates, but this time he just forgot because it was just supposed to be a robbery, it wasn't supposed to be a murder. In addition, they found an envelope with Marinda Stain's fingerprints at the scene, and both very strong pieces of evidence were handed over to the police Zack and Marinda were soon questioned and told the police that yes They had been at the Myers house the day they were murdered absolutely yeah, but there was this other couple there that were crazy Yeah Bracken Belinda lady riding a horse you wouldn't see you couldn't imagine the calamity

And they were waving cuts dives around like we're gonna kill them or we're building a water park I can't even believe it and those guys called those fucking our words called us over there to're building a water park. Can you even believe it? And those guys called, those fucking R words called us over there to fucking plan a water park. Well, apparently the cops were unaware that both of these people have been suspects in a series of brutal murders just two years before. The cops then called the employee who dropped by for the meeting that day, who told them about the call

concerning the fabricated fight between Peter and Joan. Finally, Peter's son positively identified Zach and Marinda as government officials, but the police apparently didn't make a single phone call to confirm or deny the claim. As a result, the cops let Zach and Marinda go, and instead focused on Peter and Joan's children as the main suspects. They're like, we're not there. We weren't there. Yeah.

I don't know. Like maybe it's a funding issue and there's just not a lot of like, and the cops are like super overwhelmed. I don't know. They just don't care, man. Yeah. They just don't care. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

When I was out there, one of the things I was told that if you're driving and a cop wants to pull you over, make sure you drive all the way to the police station before you pull over because otherwise the cop will rape you. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's what they told us. Like, it's not good. The only thing the cops did with the cult members was schedule them for polygraphs the next month, but that also went nowhere because of this extreme gross incompetence

Five more people would die in what would be called the appointment murders Which is where we'll end our series on electus per deus next week. We're doing more We have a whole fucking date, but it's a whole other series of murders. These guys are extremely busy and the fact that we probably spent like a lot of time building up context but this is like it's just hard to really like think about where it went. Yeah. The A point of this story to the Z point of this story is fucking insane and I think it's partially because it's the it is of this story is fucking insane. And I think it's partially because it is where it is,

is where it's located. It's the amount of importance they put upon these occult crimes and all of this shit. It's like, it's all just feeding itself in a miraculously stupid way. Yeah, and that's the thing is that if we hadn't spent so much time giving context You'd be sitting there right now and wondering like how did this woman get these people to commit 11 murders?

Yeah, like you have to have the fucking insane context to really see how something like this can actually happen 12 murders if you include the plans for a nice water park Yeah, that's the thing the first South African water park what a loss to the world the ninth wonder of the saddest losses. Yeah, that's the thing. The first South African water park. What a loss to the world. The ninth wonder of the world it would have been. I want to go! Well, thank you. Yes. Thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. Go to patreon.com slash slash because I'm gonna have to watch us slap around. Ladies and gentlemen. Go to LP on the left for all the social media Twitch TV such like a movie and TV

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