Legal AF by MeidasTouch - AGAIN…Trump STEPS INTO Criminal Liability with Remarks

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

Have Trump and Vance crossed the line into Federal Hate Crimes by using their campaign rhetoric to violently target the legal Haitian community in Springfield Ohio? Michael Popok examines and recommends that the DOJ warn the Proud Boys and other violent extremists that if they touch a hair on the Haitian community, they will be prosecuted. Go to https://joindeleteme.com/LEGALAF and use promo code LEGALAF for 20% off. Visit https://meidastouch.com for more! Join the Legal AF Patreon: https://Patreon.com/LegalAF Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's the powerful backing of American Express. On eligible cards, terms apply. Learn more at mx.ca. This is Michael Popak, Legal AF. Has Donald Trump and JD Vance crossed the line and have committed a hate crime, a federal hate crime, because of the violent rhetoric they're now targeting at legal Haitian immigrants and workers who have come

to Springfield, Ohio to fill the jobs left behind after COVID. And so they didn't have to shutter their factories and plants. That's what the 15,000 Haitians are doing there, JD Vance, but your violent rhetoric. Now, people in the MAGA world, including the Proud Boys, that alt-right white suprematist violent group who the Department of Justice tried to decapitate the leadership of and put them away for a long time in the Jan 6 prosecutions, but they still live. And now they're targeting. And if any blood is spilled in Springfield, Ohio, that blood ends up on JD Vance in Donald Trump's hands. And that's where the, has there been a hate crime that the Department of Justice should investigate?

Look, in the waning days of the Biden administration, there's work to be done. And there's work to be done by the Department of Justice led by Merrick Arland. And he can't bury his head in the sand and say, I'm not going to protect the downtrodden. As Donald Trump and JD Vance continue to punch down at people who are defenseless, whose only crime is to try to come to this country for a better life at an invitation, mind you, of the business community and manufacturing community of Springfield, Ohio. Let me tell you what law I'm talking about here at the intersection of law and politics. 18 U.S.C., United States Code section 249, Hate Crimes Acts, says the following, whoever,

whether or not acting under color of law, so whoever, a person, willfully causes bodily injury to any person, any other person, or through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of that person, shall in prison not more than 10 years. Find in accordance with this title and shall be in prison for any term of life, any term of year for life if death results. For JD Vance to recently say in response to a CNN interview with Dana Bash that he is personally offended and he's not responsible for the bomb threats that have now been phoned in to Springfield, Ohio, the Haitian community? Let's run that clip.

And it was of the proud boys marching through Springfield yesterday. We know hate groups have been amplifying the concerns about Haitians for weeks. What constituency are you trying to appeal to here by putting this at the center of the conversation? Margaret, first of all, whatever a local mayor said about this case, I am hearing from dozens of constituents who are concerned about these issues. They are allowed to be concerned about these issues. And I think it's shameful how the American media ignores them. Now you mentioned a Proud Boys march. I imagine that's the clip that

I saw yesterday of about a dozen people marching down the street. Of course I don't align myself with the views of the Proud Boys, Margaret, but we have to remember that this is a real problem. The media is using things like a dozen marchers to ignore and distract from the fact that thanks to Kamala Harris's open borders, there are children who aren't getting a good education. Thanks to her open border, there is a rise in HIV cases in Springfield, Ohio. Thanks to her open border, murders are up 81% in Springfield, Ohio. I am much more concerned about the vice president of the United States failing to do her job than I am that a dozen people Carried the wrong flag when they were marching in Springfield, Ohio yesterday. Let's focus on the real problem

That's the vice president of the United States not doing her job What you've missed JD Vance even though you got JD in your title and apparently you went to law school is That your language has moved off of First Amendment protected speech because you can have disgusting thoughts and ideas. But if your comments and your attacks cause another person to kill or maim or injure a third person, you're liable for a crime. And the reason for that is because they're black or brown, or they're national origin, or they're religion, like in the case of the Haitian example, you're responsible for hate crime.

And I'm imploring the Department of Justice to open up an investigation in its civil rights division to see if the civil rights of these legal immigrants who just came to this country because we allowed them, invited them to, and then when we got them, what? We're making them a human prop to be used in a performative art piece by Donald Trump and JD Vance to try to get elected as they meme their way, meme, meme their way to the White House. Because this is the substitute and the replacement for a coherent debate about ideas,

and the replacement for a coherent debate about ideas, about values, about policies? This is the replacement punched down to the downtrodden? That's what this country is based on? Or is it a crime? And that's what I'm positing here on this particular hot take. Here's how it would work. The rhetoric, the violent rhetoric

that's already led to bomb threats, proud boys and other MAGA attacking and going after Haitians. The next step in that is that somebody takes up the clarion call of Donald Trump and JD Vance and actually does violence on the streets of Springfield, Ohio and in other places against Haitians. Haitians already have their own tremendous problem. They have a country that has virtually no economy, that there's no personal security. And the only reason that the established Haitian community based in Miami helped bring their

cousins and brothers and sisters and friends out of Haiti is because they heard that Springfield, Ohio is desperate for workers in food manufacturing and in other type of light industry. And they connected the need for workers with a need of human beings to have dignity and got them to Springfield, a waiting, willing, embracing Springfield. Sure, when you drop 15,000 people in a four-year period who are not from this country into one town, are we going to have some growing and transition pains? Sure. But then for JD Vance and Donald Trump to use video clips and allow heads of his social media, the alt-right right-wingers like Laura Loomer and Presobiac and libs of whatever, liberals of TikTok,

libs of TikTok and DC Drano to use racist memes against them to claim that cats and dogs and geese and ducks, oh my, are being eaten by them? It's pathetic. It's an insult to the intelligence of the American people and to the Haitian community, a hardworking, God-fearing, patriotic community. I know the Haitian community well.

I practiced law in Miami for 20 years. They're the pillars of the Miami society, legal and business. I've gone every year to the Haitian Bar Association Gala. I count them as my friends. And now look what's happening. Their relatives and friends are the terrible punchline in a racist, hateful screed by JD Vance and Donald Trump. This podcast is sponsored by Delete Me.

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I mean, if, God forbid, blood is spilled on the streets and attacks happen of black and brown people who people presume to be Haitian or in the Springfield community, and somebody is killed or maimed or injured. You have to lay that at the feet of Donald Trump and JD Vance. Right? And people that are unhinged within the party will listen to them and follow their lead. Look with the Proud Boy how they interpret it

and their bomb threats. Donald what the proud boy, how they interpret it and their bomb threats. Donald Trump thinks he can raise the temperature of the discourse in this country and violent rhetoric in this country and comments about violence and the use of violence to an end, to a means, to a revolution. And then when it comes back to bite end, to a means, to a revolution. And then when it comes back to bite him,

wonder why people, how they ever got that idea. These are the crimes that need to be investigated. Let me make it clear on this hot take. I am not looking to gag people and their First Amendment protected speech. You have disgusting racist thought processes. You want to put that on a mimeograph, on a copy machine, bring it to your town square.

You want to say it on your social media, go ahead. But there is a line to be drawn when hate speech becomes hate crime and where you encourage and foment so much discontent and you light the fuse for which you are responsible for the explosion that results. Just as Donald Trump is not blameless but lit the fuse and pointed the gun and the ammunition at the Capitol with an angry mob of 3,000 people that got angrier because of Donald Trump.

And then five, six people died at the Capitol because of Donald Trump's rhetoric. Same thing here, but now we're talking about an unprotected, underprivileged, defenseless group of people who were here once again, put this down so when you're having the debate everybody gets it straight. They are not illegal immigrants. There is no border between Ohio and Haiti. I mean I haven't taken a lot of geography classes but I can tell you there's no surge at the border to get into Ohio. They got there legally through a program of temporary protected status,

which is an asylum-like program to protect people in places where they're going to meet a violent end if they stay in their home country. So they get to stay here for an 18-month period, which is renewable, while they go for permanent status in America 18-month period, which is renewable, while they go for permanent status in America. In the meantime, rather than sitting

in some internment camp, or sitting around earning welfare, these people are working in the factories of Springfield, Ohio, meaning they're working for you and me, the American citizen. I would suggest they're more patriotic than many other people, because they're rolling up their shirt sleeves. And why are they're more patriotic than many other people because they're rolling up their shirt sleeves. And why are they working so hard? And why are there so many of them? One, that's where the jobs are. And two, you know, they're spending

very little money on themselves because they're sending most of it home. A home where $100 a month or a week can change lives in Haiti, just as it does in Mexico, in Venezuela. Think of all the hardworking people from around the world who are working here, killing themselves, working themselves tirelessly to the bone in order to send money back home. And what does Donald Trump want to have? He wants them to be a human prop and a punchline as he tries to get back to the White House, regardless of how that language is being used, which could lead to the crime. So here's where I'm going to leave it on the hot take. Department of Justice, both the criminal

side and the civil side, the criminal division and the civil division, make sure the Haitian community, the hardworking Haitian community of Springfield, Ohio, is being protected. And make sure that everybody around them know that people will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and be embroiled in civil rights lawsuits if they step out of line and cross over from First Amendment speech into violent attacks and rhetoric and worse against that community, including indictments for hate crimes.

And that starts at the top because the tone on the top of that campaign is Donald Trump and JD Vance. And JD Vance with his aw-shucks Boy Scout looks where he says to Dana Besh, oh, I think I'm on an American propagandist network, not a journalist. Just because bomb threats happened

right after the debate question, 26 minutes into the debate when Donald Trump said, geez, all the pets and dogs and people, white people in Ohio, go hide your pets and dogs, your cats and dogs, because the angry horde of illegal Haitian immigrants are going to eat them, without recognizing that they're not illegal at all, that they were invited by that community in a state that JD Vance, I know he was only a congressperson, sorry, a senator for about

a nanosecond, about eight months before he ran. oh, time for a promotion. I love JD Vance. This is a kid who was Silicon Valley venture capitalist, creates a phony charity that doesn't help anybody back in his home state, sees an opening with MAGA support to run for Senate. Just go straight to Senate. Never a congressperson, never held any leadership positions that meant anything, nothing in

public service, just Senate, and then sees another opening. Hey, one heartbeat away from the presidency. That's me. I'm ready for my promotion, sir. 38-year-old JD Vance, who wrote a book once as his major credential. And the only thing he needed to do as a senator from Ohio is to protect and spread his long protective wings to protect that immigrant class that has been brought here

by Ohio to do work. But he doesn't. And instead, he uses his wife as a human shield, and as a human prop and says, I'm married to a brown person. I can't be racist. You know, the old, I got a black friend. Okay. I know what Curry smells like. He actually said that on CNN. Laura Loomer's not racist.

She's just commenting that the White House might have a certain Curry on the menu if Kamala Harris is elected. Why don't you just call her Curry Harris? They've called her everything else. Why don't you just call her the N-word? They've called her everything else. They've used every other subtle, not so subtle racist trope against her.

Multiple racist tropes against her. Hate crime. Hate crime. Be warned. not our audience. Donald Trump and JD Vance will continue to follow things at the intersection, the crossroads of law and politics, one place, a Midas Touch, and a legal AF. Find out what 40 million people a month already know. That legal AF is the home of legal commentary, law and politics commentary analysis like

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