Legal AF by MeidasTouch - DOJ Sets PERFECT TRAP for Trump’s DAY 1 PLAN

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Biden’s DOJ continues to make Trump expend his political capital to pardon Jan6 insurrectionists, as they announce their plan to indict another 200 before Jan20. Michael Popok explains why this is important to protect our democracy and to force Trump’s hand as he looks to pardon more than 1800 he once claimed had “defiled the seat of our democracy.” Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://TryMiracle.com/LEGALAF and use the code LEGALAF to claim your FREE 3 PIECE TOWEL SET and SAVE over 40% OFF. Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Department of Justice headed by Merrick Garland. They are still going after Jan's sixth insurrectionists that have not yet been brought to justice. That stands in stark contrast to Donald Trump threatening, there's no other way to put it, threatening to pardon even those he suggested that battered police would be eligible to be reviewed for a pardon on quote unquote day one. He's got a lot to do on day one for a guy that works five days a week or five hours a day and then plays a lot of golf. But we'll cover it all right here on this new reporting about at least 200 more insurrectionists

who are gonna be brought to charges by this Department of Justice. You're on Midas Touch and Legal AF on Michael Popak. So let me do it by the numbers that will compare and contrast to what Donald Trump is threatening to do. And why, why from a policy standpoint, the Department of Justice is continuing to do their job. It's important.

I'll do other hot takes about what our world will look like in a cash Patel led FBI, a Pam Bondi led Department of Justice. I don't know why I'm putting it that way. A Donald Trump led Department of Justice. What that looks like. You think New Orleans was bad? You think Vegas was bad?

Wait till you see, I'll do it on another hot take. But let me focus now on Jan 6. Let's do it by the numbers. About 1,583 people were indicted related to that. We thought there were more than 2,000 that were actually on the grounds at the time, but they use prosecutorial discretion. So the Department of Justice prosecuted 1,583

plus or minus insurrectionists. Of that amount, 996,000, take it right off the top. They pled guilty to a felony or a misdemeanor. 215 wanted their day in court. There's been 215 trials related to Jan 6, both bench, meaning by the judge, and by jury. This is why it's the most extraordinary prosecution ever conducted by the Department of Justice in its history. I'll do my own criticism of Merrick Garland

and his failure to go after the leaders like Donald Trump of the insurrection, but in terms of the people that were following orders, they certainly went after them. Now add to that, based on a statistical report issued by the Department of Justice, there'll be another 200 that will be brought to justice. Now within that amount, let me just

keep doing the math here, of the 1,583, 600, so a little bit less than half, were indicted for assault or impeding through violence law enforcement. 174 illegally entering in a restricted area with a dangerous weapon. 18 seditious conspiracy. We all agree that number is not high enough. That 18 number probably should have been about 40 or 50, including Bannon, Flynn, Giuliani, Powell, the lawyers, Donald Trump, all the unindicted co-conspirators in the DC election interference case and the rest. That's the math.

Why? Let's take a moment out for a minute. Why, you may be asking, does the Department of Justice even care? Because once they've decided to indict these people, it increases the amount of resources Donald Trump's gonna have to expend, political or otherwise, to bail these insurrectionists out.

And they're gonna make him, they're gonna make Donald Trump look the American people in the eye and tell them why some of these people, these 1,583, why they're being pardoned. But in order for him to have to explain that and waste political capital and use his political capital, the Department of Justice has to do their job

and has to indict and prosecute. Now, the 200, of course, are not gonna be brought to justice between now and Donald Trump getting in on January 20th, but they will now be prosecuted. And Donald Trump's now gonna have to review these people and decide whether they are entitled to any type of pardon at all. So it's forcing Donald Trump to use his political capital,

explain to the American people, and the meantime Department of Justice doing their job, which they're supposed to do. It shouldn't be the situation, this is the public policy standpoint, that just because this guy gets elected, that everybody that stormed the Capitol or does the next Jan 6 or something worse gets a free ride by the Department of Justice. Now, some might be asking, why didn't they prosecute these people before? Why are we in January, literally the day before

the certification, a day before the four year anniversary, they're just getting around to prosecuting 200 people? Takes a while. I mean, you know, the evidence has to come together. They have to, they're thoughtful, they're careful. They're making decisions about liberty and justice. And so they were not knee-jerk. And I'm sure these 200,

they needed to build more evidence, get more people testifying against them, more cooperating witnesses, and then just run it up the flagpole within the Department of Justice and decide to bring the indictment. But they've done it. Your nighttime bedroom temperature

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Again, that's trymiracle.com slash Legal AF to treat yourself. Thank you, Miracle Madeid for sponsoring this episode. And now Donald Trump's going to be facing about, looks like, 1800 or so insurrectionists, many of which already pled guilty, a thousand already pled guilty, another 215 went to trial, most of them lost, I think like one prevailed. And all the charges, the assault, entering an area restricted with a deadly weapon, and seditious conspiracy and the like. That's now on Donald Trump. So if he's going to try to do all these day one things, including getting rid of, you

know, and I've already predicted that there's going to be a, there's already a spreadsheet of pardons that have been prepared. You know, remember the old binder of women that Mitt Romney talked about? There's going to be a spreadsheet of pardons that Donald Trump already has prepared for him, listing a lot, if not all, of these 1,583 or 1,800 people. Maybe he carves out the 18 that were convicted of seditious conspiracy that make up the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys and others that are serving anywhere between five and 20 years in jail.

I don't know. When he was interviewed, Donald Trump said, well, it's all on the table. I'm gonna be looking at it all. Even the MAGA reporter was like, the Republican reporter was like, everyone? Even the ones, the dregs that are in the Jan 6th jail, because they are a menace to society, because they tried to use weapons and instruments of death to kill law enforcement, them too.

Oh, everything's on the table. That's who just got elected president, Mr. Everything's on the table. But I like this move. I've been following Jan 6th trials, indictments, and convictions since like day one. I mean, literally. We've had Legal AF for four and a half years, almost five years, so certainly before Jan 6th. I've been doing hot takes. It'll be two years and two months. I started Thanksgiving two years ago doing this kind of hot take other than Legal AF. And I've been doing Jan 6th reporting about insurrectionist conviction, sentencing, and the like all that time. Go back and look. I have hundreds and hundreds of Jan six things.

So I've been there for the beginning and I've got a pretty good sense. I mean, you've got federal judges who have expressed tremendous concern and disgust with Donald Trump pardoning these people. I mean, Royce Lamperth, a Republican nominee at the DC Circuit Court said, we cannot allow the normalization of the Jan 6th Capitol

riot. Other judges, even those appointed by Donald Trump, like Carl Nichols, said it would be an abuse of power and disappointing, he said, if the pardons were issued against these people. Because there's only two groups of people, three groups of people in America that knows really what happened on Jan 6th. The Jan 6th insurrectionists, as recorded on their GoPros and on their stream yards and streaming services and everything else, that's one. The Department of Justice and the FBI, because they have all the video, the surveillance,

they've gone through all the social media, they've done all the interviews, depositions, and all that, and judges, and the juries in maybe 100 cases. That's the only groups that know. That's the only groups that saw the unedited footage. It looked like a medieval battle that the Game of Thrones showrunners would have been proud of,

what was going on at the Western Tunnel and the like. Five people died. Law enforcement took their own life because of the horrors that they had seen that day. People had heart attacks and died. This was not a love fest, as Donald Trump calls it now. Remember that Donald Trump, the day after Jan 6th, or on or about four years ago, he said it defiled, they defiled the seat of democracy, and he was ashamed

of them. But for purely political reasons, he flipped the script, found a way to embrace Jan 6th and use it in his victimhood to win office. That's all we watched during the election. I am a victim like you are, American people. I never realized the American people and voters consider themselves to be victims. But there's victimization of the electorate through Donald Trump and his claiming that he's one of them. And there was just First Amendment expression of love

on Jan 6th completely as a sane washing, white washing, gas lighting moment in our history. The history books will properly record, at least the ones in the blue states, and colleges, will properly record what happened and Donald Trump's role in it. And we'll continue to keep him accountable right here on Might as Touch and Legal AF

podcast. We've got a new channel and we're well on our way to our goal of half a million subscribers in less than six months of existence. That's all on you guys. I'm curating that channel, doing a lot of the content along with others like Dina Dahl, Court Accountability Action, Shan Wu, and the like, but it's your, and we built it, Legal AF, and Legal AF, the YouTube channel,

which is that Legal AF MTN, to be durable, to be resilient, to be rigorous in our analysis and criticism of the incoming presidency and his abuse of power and constitutional crises and all of the lawsuits that are going to be filed. You're going to want to know about them through Legal AF and our lens. So until my next reporting, I'm Michael Popock. In collaboration with the Midas Touch Network, we just launched the Legal AF YouTube channel.

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