Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump CLOSER TO JAIL as he BOMBS at Debate

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Michael Popok and Karen Friedman Agnifilo are back for the midweek edition of the top-rated Legal AF podcast. On tap? 1. How VP Harris’ prosecutor skills let her eat Trump for lunch (and his lunch) during the debate, and prevented him from making any new voters, as Kamala rented space for free in Trump’s brain from the opening bell; 2. Whether Taylor Swift’s full-throated endorsement of VP Harris following the debate will deliver EVEN MORE VOTES to VP Harris than Oprah’s +3 million attributed votes when she endorsed Barack Obama; 3. A debate about whether the Manhattan DA miscalculated in not asking Judge Merchan to immediately sentence Trump before the election; 4. Fulton County DA Fani Willis fires back at MAGA and files a new suit to prevent MAGA Georgia Senators from compelling her to testify about the ongoing investigation of Trump and others, as they try in vain to intimidate her; and so much more at the intersection of US law and politics. Thanks to our sponsors: HumanN: Find out how you can get a free 30-day supply on bundles of new SuperBeets Heart Chews Advanced and save 15% for a limited time only by going to https://GETSUPERBEETS.COM, promo code LEGALAF Armra: Head to https://tryarmra.com/legalaf or enter promo code: LEGALAF to receive 15% off your first order! Rocket Money: Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to https://RocketMoney.com/legalaf Lume: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with Lume deodorant and get $5 off your Starter Pack (that’s over 40% off) with promo code legalaf at https://LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Fum: Head to https://TryFum.com/legalaf or scan the QR code on screen and get a FREE GIFT with the JOURNEY PACK today when you use code LEGALAF Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/meidastouch-podcast Legal AF: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/legal-af MissTrial: https://meidasnews.com/tag/miss-trial The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-politicsgirl-podcast The Influence Continuum: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-influence-continuum-with-dr-steven-hassan Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/mea-culpa-with-michael-cohen The Weekend Show: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/the-weekend-show Burn the Boats: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/burn-the-boats Majority 54: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/majority-54 Political Beatdown: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/political-beatdown Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/lights-on-with-jessica-denson On Democracy with FP Wellman: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/on-democracy-with-fpwellman Uncovered: https://www.meidastouch.com/tag/maga-uncovered Coalition of the Sane: https://meidasnews.com/tag/coalition-of-the-sane Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Visit amex.ca slash business platinum. on CA slash Business Platinum. Welcome to the midweek edition of Legal AF with your regular co-anchors on Wednesdays, Michael Popok and Karen Friedman-Iknifilo. Whew, let's start where everybody wants us to start, Karen. Let's talk about the debate. I'm struggling with that word because I'm not sure what word to really assign to that.

Certainly Kamala Harris overwhelmingly won with her oratory skills, her elegance, her efficient presentation of facts, her debating skills, her prosecutorial skills on display against, I don't even, I don't, just an unhinged, demented madman who didn't come prepared to debate. I think he still thought that Joe Biden was going to show up and he was just going to debate Joe Biden. 40% of Americans didn't know enough about Kamala Harris to make their decisions. So they told pollsters, they certainly know enough now. And she's checked all the boxes and we'll talk more about it rendering her obviously qualified as we always thought she would be to be commander in

chief and to hold the highest office in the land. 90% of those same people polled said they knew more than enough about Donald Trump and he certainly didn't disappoint in that regard. We're going to talk about in the middle of the whole thing, or right at the end of it, during our Live Might Has Touch coverage post debate coverage, Taylor Swift got off the sidelines and decided she'd had enough of Donald Trump tormenting her and claiming through AI that she endorsed him and decided in a full throated endorsement, signed a childless cat lady that she was going to endorse Kamala Harris. We're going to talk about the Swift effect on the electorate, the millennials who vote, the parents of millennials, grandparents of millennials, and those that support millennials,

and everybody else that takes their direction from Taylor Swift. Oprah Winfrey has been shown through prior history to have helped Obama by plus three million votes when she as an independent endorsed Obama, oh, those many years ago. Question is, I assume Taylor Swift will have an even greater impact. We'll talk about it, and we'll talk about the impact of it in the battleground states. I think if you're comparing And we'll talk about the impact of it in the battleground states. I think if you're comparing the two endorsements that each candidate got in the last month, RFK for Donald Trump and Taylor Swift for Kamala Harris. I think it's sort of no contest. And we'll talk also about JD Vance and this sick fascination that the

MAGA party has with cats, whether they are making fun of women who own them when they're not taking away the reproductive rights, or saying that hardworking Haitian and Haitian Americans who come to this country for a better life are out because of democratic policy, killing your pets and cats and dogs. What is it with cats? I thought they just had a thing about size, but apparently, and doubling and tripling down on it, on what started as a meme, I assume, to be the counterweight to JD Vance being accused of fornicating on his, with his couch, I almost said on his couch, that would have been fine, fornicating his couch. And they didn't like that. So they

decided to make up some fake meme. And and what all they did was hurt and a racist way a black it's always a black community that gets the backhand of Donald Trump and MAGA. You know, he's not talking about Swedish people in Ohio that are eating cats. It's always somebody that's black and brown that he can therefore go after and attack enough is enough. Then we're going to talk about an update what happened in New York with Judge Mershon. And I particularly want to ask Karen Freeman-Cniflo, my close friend and co-anchor, what her opinion

is about the fact that when Judge Mishon decided to extend the time to sentence till two days before Thanksgiving, Donald Trump for the 34 felony count conviction, he cited as one of the reasons, well, the Manhattan DA is not taking a position on this. So hearing no opposition, I am going to move it. I want to get your impression as to why the Manhattan DA did that. And then what was the judge signaling, if anything, about that? Would he have, in other words, would he have sentenced, had the Manhattan

DA taken a stronger position on that? And if not, I want to hear why not. And then we've got on the parallel side, the federal court's getting involved because Donald Trump's trying to get him involved as he tries to jump the tracks from state to federal court and get a federal appellate courts involved as well, even though he's gotten what he wanted. Did he really get what he wanted? Because the immunity decision is also not going to be made by Judge Mershon until after the election, which means there's no path to an appeal for Donald Trump. So he's got this shadow or shade over him on the immunity decision and sentencing as people go to the polls. We'll talk about all of that.

And then we haven't heard about Georgia and Fonny Willis except on the debate stage when Donald Trump kept putting her name in his mouth over and over again. Again, part of their racist rhetoric to try to attack people of color while he debated a successful person of color. We'll talk about new developments for Fonny Willis as she tries to fight off the Senate, State Senate Republicans who are trying to drag her in the middle of her prosecution. Case is not over. An investigation. Drag her before them to investigate her. We'll talk about what she's doing in response to that.

And of course, we'll get some great guidance from Karen Freeman-Iknifilo, a former prosecutor. And I also have, let's bring Karen on. We'll send pictures, I promise, but after the show tonight, mistrial and legal AF are having dinner together. I am literally joining the three accomplished performer prosecutors, uh, uh, hosts of mistrial for dinner. And, uh, and Karen's there in both capacities should be wearing two hats. Uh, and it's, and, uh, we'll send pictures we promised for that little that crossover moment. Karen, we

think about all that. Maybe you'll come on our show one time and we can have a little a little crossover mashup. I'd love that. You know, on that note, just as a little preview, speaking of I want to do that. And Dave Arenberg, the Florida guy, Florida law guy ding Sorry, he was on this trial He's gonna come on our show next Wednesday

Yeah, yeah, I caught that one so I told him that you know, I do a crossover with him I've done a couple of hot takes over on on true crime and I think he'll be fun for you and I Lost school together like they were yes crazy. It one of our segments. And Don, you went to law school together. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy small world we live in. The day that he was there, the day that he was there to visit her, and you guys posted that photo, Michael Cohen was there and popped in on a meeting that I was having with another client.

Just a strange, incestuous, flat earth world that we live in. It really, really is. You know, Popak, we have to, we have to start today though, just really recognizing that it's 9-11 and it is the solemn 23rd anniversary of, you know, the, the, that tragedy. And for me, I have to talk about it and recognize it because I happen to live across the street from the former World Trade Center and Was there that day and it was a pretty traumatic experience to say the least but every year

The the entire downtown area shut I still live there So the entire downtown area shuts down and just the idea that literally across the street this morning was Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, Kamala Harris, Mike Bloomberg. I mean, it was just unbelievable in that they were all standing together right across the street. And it was such a strange feeling

because I was so elated last night after the debate and just thought, oh my God, this is unbelievable. And just that one, two punch of Kamala hitting it out of the park and then Taylor Swift dropping and dropping that amazing news literally right after. But then to wake up to this always, always just puts things in perspective and it'll just never, it'll never be any easier. and it'll just never, it'll never be any easier. You know, I watch the ceremonies and I can hear the bell ringing and the things that they do, you know,

it's literally across the street. So anyway, I just wanted to acknowledge what it is. Yeah, 1000% so glad that you did that. As people know, I worked at Canter Fitzgerald. I wasn't there on 9-11, I came in years later, but you know, Canter Fitzgerald lost 658 employees when the plane went through their trading floor and operating floor. My former boss lost his brother.

My boss, who was the general counsel of the company, just missed being incinerated as he came out of an elevator. I've been to private 9-11 ceremonies for the Canter Fitzgerald families. And it was an honor for me at the time to work there for that organization who also has a charity day where they raise money on honor about the 9-11 trading day and usually they are able all the profits from the from the firm which went from Having lost 650 people they were left with a or 120 people worldwide on 9-12. They now have about 14,000 people in all of their company.

And on that trading day, charity day, they call it, they bring in celebrities, they trade at their desks worldwide, and all of the commission and profit that goes from those trades goes to charity Usually it raises between 10 and 15 million dollars always had the honor to be a part of that So listen, I as I as you you live there and I work for an organization that even years later There was not a day that went by that. We were not reminded about 9-eleven we had one of our lawyers who survived, horribly burned, who survived that sat right outside my office, one of our tax lawyers who just recently retired.

So yeah, I wasn't living in New York at the time, people, when I tell them I worked at Canter, they think, were you there then? And the reality is that almost the entirety of the legal and compliance department was murdered that day. Yeah, no, it was, you know, it was, it was an unbelievable experience, you know, to have the buildings come down and the dust cloud, you know,

when we heard the building coming down, we didn't leave the apartment because I had two little identical twin four-year-olds at the time. And we had gathered all the people in our building and we were all in the hallways and trying to figure out what to do. But you look out the window and you literally see people jumping and you see stuff happening. And it was beyond horrific. We were scared to go out, frankly. And then when

the buildings came down, in your mind, you're thinking it's going to come down, and it's going to crush you and crush your building, like we didn't know it was going to come straight down. And so it was it was the experience was was something that one day, maybe I'll do a Patreon or something with you. And we can tell the story. Yeah, but it was, you know, it was talking to my girl this morning was, you know, just remembering and the things that they remember, you know, when we walked out, and, and we were carrying the kids, you know,

some some friends from the Manhattan DA's office actually came down with some police officers and some masks to help us get out because it was we were in that dust cloud and we couldn't breathe. And the girls, it was, we were in that dust cloud and we couldn't breathe. And the girls, we had them put their heads down on us. And one of them said to my husband, her dad said, dad, what's gonna happen? And the only, and he was like,

they're gonna bring a giant vacuum cleaner and clean all this up. And that was, you had to kind of explain it to someone who's four years old and try to keep it so it wasn't so awful. Anyway, it's even hard to talk about. Yeah. Well, tonight I was going to give you a big hug anyway, but now you're definitely getting a big hug with me. I could use too. Yeah, and I think it just demonstrates I read a statistic yesterday that there are you know high school students in Florida and not just in Florida who don't know what? Happened on 9-eleven despite the fact that it's taught in schools

For those that live in and around New York, I mean lost people in the tower like you and I both did We think about none. It's not just a day that ends up on the calendar we think about it we it just part of the fiber of our being being New Yorkers and all of that and so yeah I we would be remiss and I'm glad you kicked it off with that. And the solemn, the solemnity of today, where even politics was set aside for about 30 minutes, yes, Donald Trump tried to have Mike Bloomberg broker a handshake, and Kamala Harris, as she showed, and we'll transition to the debate performance now, as she showed in the debate, is it owns Donald Trump, is renting space in his brain. performance now, as she showed in the debate is, is owns Donald Trump is is

renting space in his brain. Uh, he's a real estate guy. She's renting space for free in his brain. And it started with the handshake that she crossed the stage to have him meet her in the middle, literally and shake his hand at the start of the debate. She did it again at nine 11 today, because she is not scared of Donald Trump. She is in charge. She has, as they say, tall person energy and she projects it

And if anybody had any question in their in their mind going into the debate about whether Kamala Harris Was up to the task of being the leader of the free world occupying the Oval Office Getting the 3 a.m. Phone call or being the commander-in-chief I think all doubts were erased with that performance, which frankly surpassed even my wildest hopes for how she would perform. She even did better than that. So let's dive into the debate. I think it's an interesting place for you and I to be analyzing because we debate for a living. We're advocates for a living. We have had people's liberty, you as a prosecutor, now as defense lawyer, me primarily as defense lawyer, in our hands

in criminal cases and in people's money and important business matters in our civil cases. And we advocate at a podium, a lectern, a hearing room, a conference room, a courtroom, whatever you're gonna have it, regularly. So we can give our perspective as professional debaters about how prosecutor-in-chief Kamala Harris did last night from that perspective. And I think that's a unique perspective on the dial. I'll just, why don't you kick off

about your observations about the debate and then I'll fill in from there and then we can both talk about the Taylor Swift impact on voting. Will, and I guess the open question is for me or the question I have is, if historians and electoral election experts and scientists calculated that the that the Oprah effect was plus three million, what will they find that the Taylor Swift impact is going to be? You know, it's interesting, but I loved about Taylor Swift and what she did timing-wise is, you know, it was clear that that was deliberate, right? The way she wrote it, it wasn't just like a one line, I support Kamala Harris, you know, it was a really well thought out, fairly lengthy post with a particular picture that, you know, was to kind of stick it to

JD Vance and his childless cat lady. I mean, she even signed it childless cat lady. And so you could tell she was thinking about, you know, she, what I love about her, first of all, I love her. I mean, she even signed it childless cat lady. And so you could tell she was thinking about, you know, she, what I love about her, first of all, I love her. I'm a Swiftie. What can I say? She's just amazing. But she doesn't, didn't throw her support to the Democrats. She makes them earn it, you know, um, she withheld until she thought somebody earned it. And when Kamala Harris knocked it out of the park,

and there is no doubt she knocked it out of the park, she was like, click, hit send, or I think it was Instagram how she posted it. I love that about her. It made it feel so real and it made it feel so poignant. And it was just this authentic, not knee-jerk endorsement of Kamala Harris. She didn't know anything about her, right? She didn't know enough about her. This was a shorter campaign cycle. But the debate itself was just, I mean, well, before I leave Taylor

Swift, I loved what Jon Stewart on The Daily Show said, which is one of the questions that came tonight was how are undecided voters going to be impacted by tonight's debate? And he's like, well, at least one undecided voter decided. And then he shows Taylor Schiff, I thought was really funny. But the debate itself, a lot of people were nervous. They were nervous about how this is gonna go and how she's going to do and

and you know she seemed a little nervous her voice crackling in the beginning and um you know I noticed that Donald Trump kind of always the theater always the always the the man of of the show is trying to make himself look less weird you know his skin color has gotten slightly less orange she's like brown you know but you can still see the white on the on the edges you know, his skin color has gotten slightly less orange, she's like brown, you know, but you can still see the white on the on the edges, you know, but that's part of his his thing. He same thing with his hair, it's less yellow, it's got less of that weird point. You know, it's more brownish grayish. And you know, you can see it right there. Like he's, he still looks

weird, but you can just see that he's trying to tone down some of his really weirdness. And, you know, and so that was the first thing I noticed. And then, you know, coming out, you know, it was funny, I was following on Twitter a lot of this and lots. And Donald Trump, you know, characteristically kept interrupting and speaking and saying things out of turn. And there were a lot of people online saying, you know, why aren't they muting his mic? I thought they were supposed to mute his mic. And I have to say, I loved that they didn't mute his mic because Kamala didn't need that.

She's like, go for it. I can say what you want to say. Dig your own grave, buddy. I don't need your mic muted. And I don't want anyone to be accusing of like, oh, they shut him down. No, they didn't shut him down. They let him say whatever he wanted to say.

And then they turned around and she still literally wiped the floor with him. And she did it in a way that she walked this fine line of women prosecutors have to be very careful on how they present themselves. Because I've tried many, many cases. I'm obviously a woman. I was a prosecutor and jurors always want to talk to you afterwards, you know, especially if there's a conviction, they always ask to talk to you and, you know,

they always comment on your appearance, whether it's your clothes, whether it's one trial, I lost weight because, you know, I was terrified and it was stressful and I couldn't eat lost weight. And, you know, or they ask you questions about, you know, whatever. It's like the kind of questions you don't ask men. They don't ask you that kind of stuff. They don't comment on what you were wearing or what you look like or, you know, similar with a lot of the comments I get on the show. You know, I get a lot of comments from people who are talking about, you know,

various things that are physical appearance in nature. And so women, anyone who's been a woman knows that that's the case, and especially as a prosecutor. The other thing you have to be worried about is kind of, you don't want to be too harsh. You'll be called shrill. Women get judged by a different standard. And I think I could just tell that she,

I was worried that she could potentially come across like that, even though that is not her personality and that's not who she typically is. But I think that was one of the reasons Hillary turned a lot of women and men and people off, and there's a little bit of a way about her that sometimes I think can be misinterpreted and I think it's an unfair characterization of a lot of women, but you know, women of a certain age

and I'm the same age as Kamala, you know, we get judged that way. And so just from that perspective, you know, she, I think I was really impressed, but then of course substantively, you know, she, I think I was really impressed. But then, of course, substantively, you know, she was substantively and on policy, she fact checked him, you know, she she had answers for everything. And they were all extremely substantive. And, you know, there's a lot of criticism that, oh, you know, ABC was was fact checking Trump and not fact checking her.

And it wasn't fair. You know, that's on the right on the MAGA side. Well, they didn't have to fact check her because she didn't lie. And she was telling the truth and she, you know, didn't need to be corrected so many times like he did. And so, you know, she just let him be the freak show weirdo that he is talking about as he pointed out Haitians, you know, who are, who are, who are, you know, who, who are allegedly eating people's pets, which was so ridiculous.

You know, I was watching a show this morning on it, and there was, I can't remember what his name was, but some MAGA right wing person trying to justify that it came from like, really trying to contort the facts that this somehow, you know, unless that this came because he was, he was, somebody said that somebody was killed a duck and ate it or something. I mean, I think that's actually called duck hunting, you know, but only a black person who goes duck hunting and kills a duck is somehow now killing people's pets and you turn that into cats and dogs. You know, first of all, it's ridiculous. And second of all, you know, it's just so clearly just people

contorting the facts, trying to make Donald Trump less of a liar and less of a weird, you know, freak show and extreme to use Kamala Harris's word, you know, but she also had, she, I just thought her, what she had to say about every topic just knocked it out of the park. So I loved it, I felt so good afterward and during it, and I just, it was invigorating and inspiring. And I thought it was fantastic.

Yeah. Yeah, my take on it was similar. I had my wife next to me during it. We were kind of going back and forth a bit. For me, it was a kind of a crazed, unhinged, ill-prepared Donald Trump, who had actually, I really had not, except when I prepare for hot takes in the show, I don't watch long stretches of like his rallies.

I think Ben does more of that to do some of his work. I watch, you know, the things that are important. You know, I go right to the heart of it when I'm doing hot takes. So I had actually underestimated how decrepit it's the word and demented Donald Trump had become since I last was focused on his full speech and debate, not forget Biden, back comparing it to 2020. It really is almost, almost, not almost shocking at how he now at almost 80 and surrounded by synchofants and in an echo chamber of mean

memes and MAGA just can't put a coherent thought together without just lying on a regular basis, where even the American lying so poorly that even the American people can fact check him or just find it so incredulous that he would even say these things. I joked among a text chain among us, might as touch people last night. I said, well, if you had in the Donald Trump Deadpool pool that at the 30 minute mark, he would claim the democratic policy is responsible for people losing their cats and dogs to meals. You won because that showed you how exhausted intellectually. hollowed out he is morally and from a value standpoint, from a policy standpoint, that 30 minutes into a debate,

he's claiming that cats and dogs are being stolen and eaten by hate, always has to be black immigrants, black immigrants, black people who are trying to make a living in this country in Ohio for some reason. And I have a lot of friends, a lot of friends in the Haitian community, the Haitian legal and business community in Miami. I call them friends.

I've known them for years. I've gone regularly to the Haitian Bar Association dinner, and they are livid at him using, just casually using them as an example, a downtrodden group of people that are one of the poorest, if not the poorest in the Caribbean, and have been just abused by their own government and by warlords and everything else, and let down by the American government and immigration policy,

and now being attacked for eating your cat. And what is it with the crazy cat things? It's like Donald Trump can't stop talking about crowd size and the size of things, and JD Vance can't keep the word cat out of his mouth. Now I always thought in reading through some of JD Vance's memes and comments that he knew that it was a bullshit story, but this was payback for the effing the couch that was also false by the way that we admitted to.

I mean we didn't lead it. It was just, you know, we debunked it pretty quickly. It was something that people believe because they took one look at the guy and they were like, yeah, that could have happened. But this was payback for that. And I know that's where almost like tongue in cheek, J.D. Vance's because at one point in one of his social media posts, he actually said, well, listen, I don't know if it's true or not,

but keep the memes coming, which is what happened to him. So this was payback for that. And this was also a way to distract from JD Vance's stupid two feet in mouth where he said that childless cat ladies, don't have the right to vote and don't have the right to set policy in this country because they've never had children.

And so it's always this tie-in on the cats. And now Donald Trump with all these stupid memes that the Republicans are putting out thinking this is going to help them with independent voters, of Donald Trump cuddling cats and dogs and he's going to be like he's Noah on Noah's Ark. He's going to be saving all the animals. Is this going to really, do the Republicans really think this is gonna move the needle at an election time? The answer to that is no.

And I'll give you some, some data points for that. In the history of presidential debates, exactly zero presidential candidates have gone into the spin room after a debate themselves. It's a cardinal rule that you don't do that. You use your advocates to do that. You don't go in and talk to the press in the, it's called the spin room for a reason, because everybody on both sides of the transaction

know who the spinner is and who the spinny is. The spinny is the media, the spinner is the advocate, the proxy on behalf of the candidate. It's just a dirty little process there. Sometimes a good quote comes out and the media reports on it. Donald Trump heads into the spin room. He's so shocked his own advocates that they stopped talking. The weather changed, the oxygen got sucked out of the room, and they stopped talking

because everybody went to Donald Trump. Now that shows me that he knows he lost. Now sure, he's doing this, well, like she wants the second debate because like a boxer who knows they lost, they want the rematch. There is no one on planet earth that is carbon-based and sucks oxygen with eyes or ears

or an ability to sense something that believes that Donald Trump won that debate. Even 30% of MAGA Republicans think he lost, which is an inordinate amount given where they are in terms of support for Donald Trump. And of course, everybody else thought what we all thought, not only that she won, but that she won not by a little, not by a decision, but like she won not by a little, not by a decision,

like you said, by a knockout. First 10 minutes, just to do a little debate performance critique, first 10 minutes, she was nervous. And I thought the first question, she sort of muffled it, muffed it a little bit with the didn't really answer David Muir's question. And then I thought it was a little bit a little bit clunky how she segued over to her policy position, but she had a number of things she needed to accomplish during two hours. She needed to introduce herself further

to 30 or 40% of the American people that have said in polling, we need to know more about Kamala Harris. So there's a biographical aspect of the debate. And she, as she did with her first speeches that she did, as she and her nomination acceptance speech, she introduced herself to that large, that's a large number, 30%, when you've been in the public eye as long as she has and you've been vice president, although that's sort of an anonymous

position. I know everyone's like, what'd she ever do as vice president? What did anybody ever do as vice president? I mean, you know, sometimes they get to be co-president like she does, but you know, the buck stops with the person that's in the Oval Office and the other person is the backup. It's like what did the backup quarterback ever do for Tom Brady, except be around in case Tom Brady went down for a series. I mean, then they stand up and shine, hopefully, at the right moment, and that's Kamala Harris. So she did that. Then she had to find ways to trigger Donald Trump. She had her three or four trigger points which she did artfully, totally non-sequitur given the question that was asked. Like rally size had nothing to do, I don't remember if that was

the abortion question or the immigration question, but she's like, oh, she almost had, I was wondering if she was wearing an Apple watch that had a silent alarm because it was like, oh, she almost had, I was wondering if she was wearing an Apple watch that had a silent alarm, because it was like, oh, time to do, oh, here we go, I'm gonna trigger him now. And she had fun with it, and she figured out after the 10 minute mark, when she hit her stride on reproductive rights for women, which of course, she is the best person on that stage

to talk about that issue. From there to the end, she not only ate him for lunch, she ate his lunch. And I thought it started, and I had joked in a chain with our group, and nobody took me up on my bet. So I don't thought I would have won the bet anyway.

I said, she is going to step onto that stage so confidently, but she's gonna cross that stage, get into his space, get into his grill, and shake his hand or make him meet her and shake his hand. And that's going to set the tone for the debate. He's never going to recover. And that's what happened. She walked out there, she strided on that stage, confidently showing amazing body language, and then stuck her hand out and then said her name.

We talk a lot about say their name, say her name. She said her name, Kamala Harris. Because in other words, you don't seem to know my name. So I'm going to tell you my name as opposed to good to see you, thank you. You know, that would have been like two white guys on the stage like, yeah, okay, thank you, good luck. No, Kamala Harris

That was her calling card. That was her announcement. He never recovered She she got she wormed her way into his brain at that moment And he never got back off his back foot moving forward all he became was this gibbering Fool there's no other way to put it where Kamala Harris will put up a picture in a minute of her various facial expressions that she used effectively in rebuttal. The New York Times did a great piece on that. One of them is, you are a madman. You are not well. She did more with her facial expressions than she needed to do sometimes with oration.

That's how effective she was because you and I know as advocates that the jury's always looking at you, that you can, you could, I've raised eyebrows and had the jury pick up on it when something happened. And that was just as effective as if I had made an objection. And she knows that as well. And she's, she, the camera loved her last night as well. When she, when he started talking about,

there was like three major points for him. Chinese tariffs, that was the solution for everything. And it didn't matter the topic. Topic could have been reproductive rights for women, Chinese tariffs. I assure you the most of the electorate is not kept up at night about the Chinese trade war. Yet that was in the front lobe of

Donald Trump the entire night. That was one. Two, people being led out of mental patients being led out of mental asylums, right? We used to call them, what do we used to call them? We used to call them right? We used to call them, what do we used to call them? We used to call them insane asylums. People being let out of insane asylums and prisons by democratic policy to take black and brown jobs. That was another major talking point, right? And then interspersed with all that, then he gets to reproductive rights, which he should have delicately kind of talked about, well, I don't support a federal ban and I'm in for IVF, which he called IEF.

No, no, he tripled down on it. He said every, and then he lied to the American people, look at them straight in the eye. He said every person on both sides of the aisle, Democrat, Republican, all agree with me that we should rip away a woman's right to choose and shrine in the constitution and turn it over to the states. I mean the fact that he could even put that sentence together and deliver it with Kamala Harris standing next to him, you could just hear in America the collective groan of Republicans who all uniformly have said he did terribly and of women and people who support women

voters who may not have made up their mind yet. That was a one of the formally have said he did terribly, and of women and people who support women voters who may not have made up their minds yet. That was one of the cringiest moments was him trying to defend himself on reproductive rights and saying, well, just turn it over to the states. I said in a hot take recently, why don't we just turn involuntary servitude and indentured slavery back over to the states? Let's see what happens. There's just some things you don't leave to the populace

in various states to vote on because they're so fundamental to our liberty and our civil rights. And so that was a loser argument. And then a couple of places, she was ready with amazing counter punches for the places where he could have been stronger, like the Afghanistan pullout.

I had forgotten that he hosted the Taliban at Camp David. Now I remember the picture of the guy in the black robe and the whole thing. And she said, the reason we had a bad pullout is because you cut a terrible deal with the Taliban that we had to clean up behind. And then he just started stuttering, bub-bub-bub-bub-stammering,

and couldn't come up with a coherent answer about something that could have been a decent argument for him about Afghanistan. On the economy, she was ready with everything. And she was even, she was so micro-focused that when he talked about Pennsylvania, because they were in Pennsylvania, she said, well, tell that to the 800,000,

when they were in Pennsylvania, she said, Well, tell that to the 800,000 when they were talking about Ukraine. And and how he would he would just like art of the deal broker a deal. That's how he was going to settle it. He was mainly he would turn Ukraine over to to Putin. And she said, Tell that to the 800,000 Polish American voters in in Pennsylvania. I mean, the fact that she had that stat in her head and ready to go, remarkable, remarkable, and said to him, you know why you talk on this debate stage about dictators with such admiration? Because he brought up Viktor Orban, the Hungarian dictator. He brought up Putin. She said it's because they know they'll eat your lunch because

they'll just flatter you and you'll give away America's foreign policy and security. He didn't like the answer, but there was nothing he could do to it. He just gave one of those faces and then she moved on. And I thought in a way, as you said, Karen, that Hillary was never able, because she's not Hillary, in a way that Hillary was never able to do. She was able to artfully turn and be aggressive on him, but not be seen, as you said, in some negative way because she's also a successful woman. So the whole gender thing for me disappeared on that stage. Totally.

Right? You agree? And she also didn't let him make it about race. You know, he tried to bait her to turn it into a race thing. And she didn't. Because people, I think a lot of people just don't want to make this about race or gender. They just want this to be about who's the best person who has the best policies. And he really tried to do that too. But I just want to point out something about what you just said, him saying that he was

going to broker this, you know, the war is going to be over. If I'm elected, the war is going to be over in Russia and Ukraine before I'm even sworn in. That's the violation of the Logan Act, right? Which is a law, 18 USC section 953, which is, you know, right? It's a federal law that criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized

American citizen like he's conducting foreign policy before he's president. And he sent that and you know, the thing is, he doesn't care. He is like, you know, he more than he's not just an Icarus who flies too close to the sun, he flies into the sun and gets away with it, you know, and, and unfortunately, the Supreme Court enables it and allows him to, but he just says this stuff, like, you know, he just literally does whatever he wants, he always has. And I just, you know, it was just

shocking to me listening to him, the things that came out of his mouth, but she was amazing. You know, you were fired by 81 million people, I think Salty, you have a clip to play, the things that came out of his mouth. But she was amazing. You were fired by 81 million people. I think, Salty, you have a clip to play, right, on that? Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. So let's be clear about that. And clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts, as he did

in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election. And I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president of the United States, and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election. It leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right, the temperament

or the ability to not be confused about facts. Yeah, that we could just do an entire hot hit, the greatest hits of Kamala Harris. I want to talk when we come back from our ad break, Karen, about Taylor Swift. I know you have some very good, strong, right on opinions about her. I want to talk about the impact of her endorsement, full-throated endorsement for Kamala Harris in the battleground states among the voters that matter and Getting them to vote especially if it's Millennials who don't vote in their large numbers that older people vote but may now

because Somebody that they respect have said where where she's at in her politics I want to we're gonna talk about that We're gonna talk about your old office and what's going on with the sentencing. Is this a good thing or a bad thing for Donald Trump in America? That his sentencing is now going to be after the election, but before the inauguration and two days before Thanksgiving. And what about that immunity decision and what's going on to the federal side with Donald

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I mean, there was a buzz in my office today about what happened last night in the debate that last time I saw that and heard that and felt that was when Barack Obama was in the midst of his campaign, his ultimate successful campaign. And let's talk about the Taylor Swift impact. From your perspective, I know you're I'm the I'm the father of a daughter, but you have daughters, some of which I think are voting age. Mine is not. Mine will not know about this election. Well, hopefully I'll, we'll be telling her, bouncing her on my knee about President Kamala Harris. I think we're all working towards that. All three voting age, Popak, all three. So, so great. So great. So great. So we got the Oprah, Oprah Winfrey,

3 million votes attributed to her, to help Barack Obama. Taylor Swift, you Oprah, Oprah Winfrey, three million votes attributed to her to help Barack Obama. Taylor Swift, you know, I think there's two angles to Taylor Swift's endorsement. Was it that she waited to watch the debate or was she finally had to get off the sidelines because now the, you know, space abhors, nature abhors a vacuum. And by not saying a darn thing

About what her politics were she allowed MAGA? to to use AI artificial intelligence to create memes of Swifties for Trump and her dressed as Uncle Sam Talking about Donald Trump and that wasn't in fact She spent a fair amount of time in her endorsement saying how scared she was of the implications of AI being used to put words in her mouth, and especially to her,

her millions and millions and tens of millions of fans worldwide. So I don't really care what the reason is. I mean, I guess we could all speculate, would she have come out and done it this close to the election? Had she, was she always planning to do that? Did this goad her into doing that? But it doesn't matter. She did it. And now with the 40 whatever days are left or whatever the days, 60 days are

left, what do you think as a mother of children voting age, females voting age, what do you think the impact is going to be in the battleground states among not only millennials, but people who are the parents of millennials and grandparents of millennials and are not millennials. What do you think the ultimate impact to her to move the needle in the battleground states? JRFK is not moving the needle for Donald Trump. It's like, Oh, it's good for 2%. It's not good for shit.

And even his own people are abandoning Donald Trump and moving over to Kamala Harris, along with all the other Republicans. What do you think about Taylor Swift? Look, I think it's exactly what was needed. And it's not just what she did, but it's how she did it. She leaned into this childless cat lady, basically saying to, F you, JD Vance and Donald Trump,

you know, this was really this wasn't just to I support Kamala Harris. This was also a pointed statement to them and very much showing her distaste with what they do and how they do it and what they say. And she doesn't want to stand by the sidelines anymore and not talk about what she believes in. And you can tell this was really heartfelt and really what she believes in. It's not, you know, she doesn't need to endorse a candidate for her career. She doesn't need, you know, she doesn't need any of this.

If anything, she's invited criticism. She could just go about her life and not do anything, but she couldn't, you know, she's a really wonderful, caring woman who when she goes on, does these incredible tours, she always donates money, lots of money, to causes in the communities where she is performing. She could just tell she's someone who deeply,

deeply cares about the issues that she cares about and about people. And if you are someone who deeply cares about people, about the truth and about women and about just anything other than yourself and your own grievances, you are going to vote for Kamala Harris. And that's just, it's partly why everybody loves her so much.

People, the reason people are Swifties, it's partly because she has great music, right? Of course she has great music and she's a great singer, but it's really who she is. And that's why there are these Swifties like me who just think she's beyond amazing. And it's because of who she is, not just what she does. And so this was just yet another example,

I think the way she did it of, you know, her kind of her authenticity coming out and showing support. And, you know, it was also, I thought, frankly, you know, the fact that Eileen Cannon dropped her love letter to Trump by dismissing the case on the day of the RNC. This was kind of a touché, you know, like, like, you know, this was perfectly timed and choreographed. And she is a performer, too, not just Donald Trump,

who tries to put on the wrestling match and a show and a freak show every time he goes out and does something. So this is performative as well, but I bravo Taylor Swift in every aspect, in every way. You know, it's just incredible and you know, and I'm just, I'm absolutely loving what I'm seeing. And I'm loving, you know, look, Kamala Harris is breathing new energy. I mean, I love that people think she's young and new energy and a new generation

since I'm the same age as, you know, but still, I think there's an energy and that young people are going to want to follow her and vote for her and you know women's issues reproductive rights all that kind of stuff it's all on the table you know our democracy it's all at stake and I do think that this will move the needle in a big way. I think this is like seismic. I agree with you and I got it got reinforced for me over my lunch when I was having some candid conversations with people in that sort of age range that would that would I asked them point blank I said what do you what do you

think they said a huge they said it will impact people will follow Taylor Swift on politics they will get up off the couch, they will register to vote. I said, well, millennials or people in that age range, let's say 18 to 25, 24, don't historically vote in as large numbers as others. And they said, we think they will now. And that there's still time, this is a good time. We're running out of time for voter registration. So people that wanna vote,

if they're not already registered, they weren't already activated, need to be activated now, but there's enough time to do it. But now if they're not registered to vote, now they've got to do a two-step process. They got to thread the needle in their state, and many of them that live in the battleground states or in the MAGA states now have these extra barriers and hurdles to entry to registration because the Republicans decided in the name of voter integrity. And when you hear voter integrity coming out

of the mouth of MAGA and Republicans, we just translate it immediately. It's like Google translate, translate that into voter suppression. Whenever they say voter integrity, they really mean voter suppression. They want long lines at the polls so people get disappointed and fatigued and leave. They want to shorten the amount of early voting period. They want to shorten the amount of

hours for polls. They want to eliminate precincts and pollings because they want to make it really, really hard on you to vote. They want to make it hard on absentee balloting and early voting and mail-in voting and every other way, drop box voting, everything else that you're allowed to do. So this young group, hopefully being also guided by older people, elders in their life can have to navigate a process to get registered in a way that you and I did not have to in order to cast our first vote. I just filled out a card, dropped it in the mail in the post office, showed up in my firehouse, four blocks from my house, and I voted and signed my name

and went into one of those giant silver metal boxes with like a fabric curtain. You hit the lever, the curtain went behind you. People are tuning in like, how old is Popak? Yes, that's how you voted. And then you hope that the tape at the bottom of the machine got taken out and counted at the precinct at the appropriate time.

So it's not just voting, it's getting them to register and then getting them to the polls. We don't just need chat, we need action. And I'm convinced that the Taylor Swift effect as it has with the economy, as it has with the NFL television ratings, as it has with Travis Kelsey's podcast

being sold for $150 million, is all a part of this ecosystem around that she's created around her worldwide especially in the United States. I mean, I don't think it was a coincidence that the NFL reported the best first week ratings in its history this past week. I think Swifties have discovered

if they hadn't before, football and have been brought to football by Taylor Swift and they are adding to the numbers of viewership. I mean she had an impact on, she had such a big impact on the economy, the US economy during her tour that the Federal Reserve Regions had a report in their actual quarterly reports about the increased revenue in a certain region of the Federal Reserve when she toured and the amount of dollars that were being pumped into the town. When you make the Federal Reserve report, you're doing something right.

So, whereas our generation would have been influenced by Oprah back in the day, and her, you know, and she's still, you know, I love having the Oprah endorsement as well for Kamala, but it's, this is a different time. And so that segment of the voting population needs to overvote. I don't mean vote more than once. I mean, they've got to over represent from what they usually do. And she can definitely bring it. And if it was 3 million attributed votes because of Oprah to Obama,

I think you could easily say this could be a 5 million, 6 million, 10 million swing, right? Why not? Why not? So we're gonna talk about, let's switch gears for a minute. Let's leave JD Vance for a minute. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that.

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I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. said there's something gross and creepy that just like it's like the factor. And like, you know, it reminds me, I was just thinking when you said, you know, what impact will, will these things have? I, you know, the, similarly with, uh, Elon Musk, you know, and the federal election commission is starting to take notice of the fact that he's, he's, he owns a major, uh, you know, Twitter, whatever it's called now, X, and he is trying to influence the election. And I think he's hoping to have that same impact

that Taylor Swift and Oprah have. I don't think he will, but speaking of ew and creepy, his response to Taylor Swift's endorsement was something like, I'll give you a child and something, I'll give you a child and something I'll save your pardon. Yuck. No, I know. I'm responding to your I'll give you a child. Okay. Yeah, it was so I mean, maybe salty can find it and put it on. Is this like a rapey thing that you're doing? Like, Musk has 10 children by five different women women and has paternity suits all over the

place. And when he doesn't drag his smallest child, who he named X, as a human prop to investor meetings, I'm not making this up. I mean, the fact that he's lecturing us, along with JD Vance, on who has the right to be an American citizen, patriot, and voter in this country. Do they think this is effective on getting and making new Trump voters? And he refuses to acknowledge his trans daughter, by the way. Which one? A Musk?

Yeah. He's got a surprise. Yeah. No, he's got a... Yeah, I think all of his kids are boys, or biologically born boys, and one of them is, has switched genders, is a girl now, or a woman, I'm not sure exactly how old she is, and Musk publicly, either doesn't acknowledge her, or will publicly criticize the fact, you know, that she has done this?

And I mean, who goes after their own child like that? Like, he's just awful. Magga, Republicans. Yeah, fine-tailed. Fine-tailed. You win. You win. I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life.

I was like, ew, that's like rapey. It is. It is rapey. And this is the reason that collectively, Republicans in the know, although they wanted to be anonymous when they were interviewed, slapped their collective foreheads during the debate. Because I assure you, not one, I'll go out on a limb, not one new Trump voter got made during that debate last night. And a whole handful or more went over to the Kamala side that were on the fence.

And I know that he lost the debate, not just because I have eyes and ears and I'm carbon-based and I can hear it, but I have Republican friends, unfortunately. I mean, not unfortunately, I mean, I like them as friends, but they're on the wrong side of the arc of history here. Not one of them texted me. Not when I woke up this morning, I thought, All right, there'll be a couple of

like, not one text, not one. And him going into the spin room, and him now saying he doesn't want to debate. Of course, he doesn't want to debate a second time. He'll get he'll he'll he'll pull out his heart on national TV, and show it to him in the next debate. Live on television. He's fundamentally weak. You know, at the end of the day, he's one of these blustering showmen who tries to make up for substance with with his kind of being loud and whatever, you know, but he at the end of the day, he's he's weak, you know, he doesn't agree back on He has no strength and fortitude. I

mean, not at all. Weak and small. We're watching the incredible shrinking presidential candidate. He's now down to about the size you can just, I was gonna say drown him in the bathtub, but you could just put him in the bathtub. He's, he's just this, I'm, you know, I remember the scene, I know Beetlejuice is coming back out again, for a sequel. And I just that you know, that incredible shrinking head guy where, you know, the head, this is just Donald Trump. He's now about two feet tall. And he's just, you know, he's just, he's just yelling and screaming, you know, like, and

nobody gives a shit. And now it's, let's, let's use that. It's a clunky segue into the New York, Manhattan DA prosecution prosecution and where we're at with that. And here's my question. Let me just, I'll just lay it out there. Mershon had a decision to make and the way he made it as the sentencing judge, this is now after arraignment, after conviction, before sentencing. Donald Trump was supposed to be sentenced in July. But right before he was about to be sentenced, the immunity decision came out. He's supposed to be just sentenced in the middle of July.

July 1, the immunity decision comes out of the US Supreme Court. Emershon, rightfully so, said, you know what, let's take a break. Everybody briefed the issue. Donald Trump asked for briefing. He's gonna file a motion. I need to apply as a judge who lives in America. I need to apply what the Supreme Court says if it's applicable.

Let me see your briefing. So he took time out. He could have sentenced them, but he didn't. All right, now we fast forward to the delayed date, postponed a second time into September. And in the interim, Donald Trump runs off to federal court, tries to remove the case, the last minute post-conviction, pre-sentencing, to try to argue some federal defense.

And he gets assigned, of course, to the same judge, Judge Hellerstein, federal court, that you and I talked about when we were on holiday and phoning in from our holidays on our midweek edition at that time. And they lost then. And they tried to re-argue that they had the right as a federal officer. Donald Trump, employee badge number one, gets to take all of his cases to federal court,

which is not true, and not true based on the allegations of the indictment. And now the conviction in the indictment. In other words, 12 jurors in New York believe the indictment and the evidence that was presented beyond a reasonable doubt. He's convicted. So it's a whole different world. So he, however, looks to the Manhattan DA and says, what say you, Manhattan DA? Should I delay further? Or should I, as the criminal procedure law in New York says, should I, you know, I have to administer justice, I have to sentence relatively quickly, what do you say? And you and I talked a couple weeks ago about the smart position that they took to say, we're going to be agnostic on

this, Judge, you know how a calendar works, you know your job, you do you, you do you, we're not gonna take a position. When Mershon wrote his decision, in which he said, I'm going to delay the sentencing till November 26th, and I'm not even gonna rule on the immunity decision until much later after the election as well, tying the two things together and saying,

I don't really, the clock, he interpreted as, the clock doesn't start on my having the sentence until I rule on the motion to dismiss on immunity. So I'm going to postpone both, kick them both over. And then we're going to, but he did spend a, he did spill a number of pages of ink talking about the Manhattan, Manhattan DA not taking a position. Do you think that was a mistake for the Manhattan DA not to take a position? And if they had taken a position for him to sentence on time and stay the course, do you think Judge Murchon would have made a different decision?

I mean, look, I think they miscalculated it. They tried to be too cute by half. And this is my old office. I love them, but I got to call it like I see it. They tried to not take a position and say, we don't take a position. I said several times on Legal AF and on hot takes and everywhere else that they were taking a position by not take a position. I said several times on Legal AF and on Hot Takes and everywhere else that they were taking a position by not taking a position, which is they were essentially agreeing that it's okay to to adjourn the case. And look, everyone who practices law in that building knows that that's exactly what they were doing. And so it was just totally clear, right, that they were essentially saying, look, we agree this should be adjourned because they just didn't think

there was enough time to brief it. And they felt that they needed to say that. And so and so the judge saw that, too. And the judge was like, look, you know, I'm not going to let you put this on me. I'm going to get everyone's going to get criticized. And, you know, everyone's going to say, oh, this is political. Or why are you doing this? Why are you not doing it? I'm not going to put, you're not going to put this on me as if this is all on me.

You agreed to, you left me with no choice, essentially. So, he kind of called them out on it and really sort of showed them what they were doing because that's what they were doing. It was just so obvious, but it's fine. That's what they felt. I think they should have just leaned into it. They thought it should be adjourned.

And so just say that, don't not take a position, you know? They thought it should be adjourned, not for political reasons, but because of this, you know, this dumpster fire of a decision on presidential immunity that the Supreme Court handed down in July. I mean, it was just ridiculous. Does it apply to the case? Is he immune from the conduct?

Absolutely not. Are there going to be a few pieces of evidence that are impacted by this? Perhaps. Will that have been harmless error to analyze it? That's what the judge is going to have to decide. And it's a big decision. On top of that, the thing that the Supreme Court left ambiguous is, is this something that they can appeal in before he's, you know, when

the judge makes the ruling on presidential immunity, can they appeal that, do an interlocutory appeal which means appeal it before the sentencing, right, during the pendency of the case as opposed to appealing after the sentence. And that's an open question. And the reason it's an open question is the Supreme Court explicitly said you do have a right to an interlocutory appeal if it was on the issue of presidential immunity on the conduct, right? But this was not on the conduct. This was on the evidence. I know it's a slight point, but they left the question open and ambiguous on whether the admission of evidence that tends to be about presidential immunity to prove unimmune conduct, right, which this is, whether that is appealable. And I think that I think the Manhattan DA's office

saw that that's unclear and perhaps he can do it. And that this realistically isn't enough time to go and all the way up to the Supreme Court, or at least the appellate courts, to determine this. And so the Manhattan DA thought that. And I think Judge Marchand also sees that that is a possibility. And so he also... And the reason I think he basically called the mountain

and said, you're not going to put this on me, and I'm going to adjourn this until after the election, is now any decision that is done is going to look political and it's going to look like it's totally my call. And so, you know, that's why he's just like, look, I'm taking politics out of it and we'll just put it over until after the election and just let the chips fall where they may. You know, it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some that they did this because it wasn't like he could put them in any way or them in jail anyway. Um, he's running, you know, he's running for president. He's just not going to do that now.

And so let's wait and see if he wins. Cause if he doesn't win, he's going in, I think, you know, I think he, I think he goes in and, and I like that. I like that bumper sticker. We're going to give it to Jordy KFA. If he doesn't win, he's going in. Perfect. I love it. But it's true. It's true. And it's not because if he does win, there's some little pesky supremacy clause of the United States Constitution. The little state court judge is not going to be able to do that. So it's just the reality of things. And Judge Marchand is a practical guy. He sees the reality of it.

And so he put it over. But this leads us to the segue of the stay that Donald Trump is seeking in the Second Circuit. What was interesting was their lawyers, Todd Blanchett and Emil Beauvais, they were asking for the case to be adjourned until after the election. And they said, because they don't want it to influence the election, right?

That was their stated reason is adjourn the sentence after the election because we don't want it to influence the election. Well, they got what they asked for. But what are they doing now? Now they're going back to the Second Circuit, which is now federal court, right? They're leaving state court. They're going to federal court and they're saying, I want this case. They're still fighting removal, right? They still want this case to go to federal court, right? They're leaving state court, they're going to federal court, and they're saying, I want this case, you know, they're still fighting removal, right? They still want this case to go to federal court. And they still even though they've lost that

now twice, their Judge Hellerstein, which is a district court judge in New York, who said, this is purely private conduct. This is not anything presidential. And so this is you're not removing this case. Well, they want to brief the issue and they're seeking a stay in the Second Circuit and they're giving now a different excuse. The first time they sought the stay, the first time they went to the Second Circuit and sought the stay, what they asked for was,

when they went to federal court and asked for the stay, what they asked for was a stay so that they wouldn't get sentenced before the election because it could influence the election. Well, they got what they asked for. Now they have changed their tune. They have literally changed their reasoning and said, OK, well, you know how we said we didn't want the sentencing to happen because we didn't want it to change to influence the election? Well, we didn't really mean that. What we really meant was now we want it to go. We

want it to be adjourned until forever, never, and I never want to be sentenced so that we can we can take this and meander it through the appellate because so many appellate issues, you know, about whether this should be removed, whether the immunity decision, you know, this and that they just want to, you know, literally jerk around in the appellate courts on this on this made up law of presidential immunity. And so I hope somebody calls them out on it, that literally their reasoning changes. And they do that, right? It's almost like it's misleading the court is what I will say.

Yeah, I saw that. I know you've got a hot take that's coming up on that very issue. This is just an effort by Donald Trump to inject more delay. There's one of the reportings I read recently that, well, Donald Trump pulled off the inside straight that he was looking for. He got all four of his cases either delayed, and even when he got convicted, he didn't get sentenced.

The other case got dismissed in Georgia. Foddy Willis shot herself in the foot, whatever. We'll talk about Fonty Willis next. I don't really see it that way. I think the American people, as I said at the top of the podcast, American people have all the information they need to know about Donald Trump. That's why 90% of the people said, yeah, we're good. We need, we know all we need to know about Donald Trump. It's common that we want to learn more about. That's why I don't think that the Republicans and MAGA and Trump should take a lot of solace. And that's why I think there's been a misinterpretation

of the polling so far. First of all, the debate performance is not part of the polling. It hasn't seeped into the water supply yet. We'll see that in a week or two. But the reason, like, oh, she had this big post-convention bump, and now it's moved back to where it used to be and all of that. That's not what we're watching. What we're watching is that even with 30% of the electorate or likely voters not knowing enough about Kamala Harris to make their decision, she's effectively tied or in soprano in the opera, or an athlete, their ceiling on their talent, hers is off the screen, as you can see by my hand. Donald Trump, everybody knows what they need to know about Donald Trump, right? And so he's not going to get any better. And Kamala Harris is now going to continue to build

on a masterful debate performance where she was eloquent and she was poised and she was commanding and all of, in stark contrast to the unwell, unkempt guy next to her. You know, and the split screen did not help Donald Trump. In the beginning, I was like, wow, he's not moving any of his facial muscles. Maybe he got Botox on top of everything else that he's that he's doing. Then he couldn't, of course, the mask slips, he can't keep it going for that long. And then of course, you know, that he has, I can't, I don't want to do his facial

expressions, I'm afraid I'll get stuck with them. But it'll be like, he's got that thing where it looks like he has to like, he has to immediately go do number two in the toilet. It's this weird face, which he thinks is some sort of retort to her. They taught him, and this is a lesson he did learn from his prep, not to go after her the way he went after Hillary Clinton. Remember that round revolving stage where he just sort of stalked, talking about stalking, stalked her like a predator and walked behind her and near her

and got in her grill and all that. Well, now they were locked into two podiums. He couldn't do that. And whereas, as we showed earlier, whereas Kamala Harris used her facial muscles and her expressions and her, you're not well, and then really, or tell me more, keep going. I'm her, you're not well, man, really? Or tell me more, keep going.

You know, I'm eating, we're eating this up. You know, keep hanging yourself. To great effect, he, on the other hand, just had a series of dyspeptic, I've got colitis or an ulcer kind of look, you know, which didn't telegraph anything other than you're getting your ass kicked and that's what that looks like. So that's, that's the, um,

but I, but I love the, the tableau of talking about, you know, the delay issue and how Kamala was able to use that right in the debate. You know, the whole, well, wait a minute, you, you don't get to talk about crime rates. You're a one man walking. I think you said it once in a hot take one male walking crime spree. You know, you don't get to talk about crime rates. You're a one man walking. I think you said it once in our hot take one male walking crime spree You know, you don't get to talk about that so This is where that intersection that crossroads of law and politics really comes into our show like this

Let's um Let's uh, we've kind of talked out mershon trump the delay The attempt to delay the attempt to get over to federal court, which has now been scuttled by mershon He He did not give Donald Trump what he wanted. The American people are know what they need to know about the convictions. Ninety-one indictment, you know, the 91 felonies, 34 convictions, E. Jean Carroll, sex assault, punitive damages, civil fraud, New York, and the indictments by five grand juries.

They know what they need to know, okay? And judges declaring that he committed crimes in two different places, D.C. and California, that's baked in, right? And so she goes up from there, and he sort of either just flatlines at his 47% as she goes to her 51, 52, 53%. And then of course it comes down to the battleground states and, and, and place by place, we haven't talked about.

George in a while. And we're going to do that and bring us up to date with Fonny Willis. She not going anywhere. She's got an appeal that's gonna be heard in the fall. She's got a Senate, State House Senate, Georgia Senate, up her backside trying to get her a la, like little Comer Light, trying to get her before their committee to talk about

an ongoing investigation and trial. And we already have judges, including Judge McAfee, recusing himself from, she's had to file a lawsuit, an action to try to quash the subpoenas, meaning make sure they don't get enforced against her, to appear before those Senate committees. And that's gonna have to be litigated by somebody, not Scott McAfee, who's like,

no, I'm too close to this case. I'm dealing with her as the prosecutor. I'm not gonna handle the clashing of the subpoena issue. That should go to somebody else. We'll pick up with all that and from Karen Freeman, at Nippelos Prosecutorial Lens, but first, another word from our sponsors.

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That's get super B E E T S.com code legal AF. Well, we're back. So Karen, let's move on to Georgia. How do you feel about that? All right, just turn on your mic. We're ready to go. There you go, okay. All right, okay, all right.

You wanna lead on Georgia? Yeah, I mean, look, they're just harassing Bonnie Willis again. This case is in sort of this nowhere's-ville of appellate land where it's Judge McAfee, just to remind everyone where we are, Judge McAfee ruled that if Nathan Wade stepped down, she could continue on as the prosecutor,

but also allowed, gave her, gave her, them an opening, Trump and his co-defendants, an opening to appeal, and which I guess you had to give permission from the judge for them to appeal and he gave them that permission. And so now we're in appellate land and it's sort of waiting. I think oral arguments, I don't even think there's a date, but it's December 2024. At some point, they're having oral arguments. And so that case is dead in the water while they try and figure this out. And so in the meantime, the Georgia State Senate is literally just harassing her

and asking for every single phone call or text message or email between her and Nathan Wade for the last five years. And, you know, subpoenaing it for the first of all, they they formed this special commission, right, to investigate the conflict of interest of Fannie Willis and the Georgia State Senate. And, you know, it's like the who's who of the MAGA right wing false slate of electors scheme people of Georgia. And that's who's on this commission. And so, you know, they're subpoenaing all these records, they're subpoenaing things that are over broad that would just use so many resources of the DA's

office to try to get this information and that are irrelevant and frankly could impact the case. So they're subpoenaing documents and then they subpoenaed her to come to testify before this commission on Friday. And she filed a motion to try to enjoin them from doing this saying, look, A, there's an open investigation. It would be totally inappropriate. And B, it violates separation of powers.

This is a legislative branch trying to interfere with the executive branch of the state of Georgia, prosecuting a case. And it's just utterly inappropriate. So she's filing, you know, she's trying to stop it through the courts, but unfortunately these judges keep recusing themselves, whoever she gets in front of.

One of them was Judge McAfee, because obviously he's the judge on the case. And then there's a couple other judges who are saying, we have to be recused. We have a conflict of interest of some sort. I mean, who knows, you know, maybe they worked with Nathan Wade, maybe they worked with Fonny Willis, maybe, you know, who knows? It's a tight-knit community down there apparently. And so they have to find

a judge. It's unclear what will happen, whether she has to appear there on Friday. But it's just, you know, I just as a former prosecutor, the idea of the state legislature trying to haul a prosecutor in to talk about a case, right, is just utterly, you know, bananas and unfathomable. So I have a feeling it'll be there will be court intervention to say that she shouldn't have to go. But that's what's happening there. It's just the case is on pause and potentially dead for now. And in the meantime, they're just harassing her. They're literally just harassing her. And it just, you know, it's outrageous, it's unfair. And she's a public servant who is literally trying

to protect and serve the public and she's being harassed. And I think it's outrageous. And hopefully every single one of them will be voted out of office in November. That's what's going on in Georgia. Yeah. And she won her primary by a large number. The Fulton County voter has rallied around Fonny Willis. She's going to be the Fulton County DA for a long, long time.

I don't mean that as a threat, that's just an observation. And yeah, they're just taking a page out of MAGA where they dragged, they try to drag Alvin Bragg of your old office down to Washington during the course of the Trump investigation and a prosecution related to Stormy Daniels that ultimately led to his conviction. And there was a negotiated response related to that.

That's, you know, that's the blueprint. The blueprint is chaos. They're just agents of chaos. Pressure testing and trying to throw over the guard rails that undergird our democracy, our criminal justice system, our civil justice system, which has been held up around the world as a shining example of how a proper constitutional republic and democracy

is supposed to work like no other. And yet in the hands of MAGA, who have weaponized, using the term weaponized lawfare, have weaponized their attacks on the justice system, making people insecure and feeling, and undermining people's, the integrity of our justice system in a way that I never thought I would say,

I never thought I would ever see a former president or current president attack all of the intelligence community, attack the FBI. Here's an example, go back to the debate for a minute as we continue to sit at that crossroads of law and politics. At one point, Donald Trump in talking about J6, he's such on a first name basis with his own insurrection, he's now down to an acronym. J6, as if the rest of the people know what he's talking about, he defended Ashley Babbitt

and he attacked a member of law enforcement who was a hero for having saved elected officials and their staff who were sitting down the hallway of the speaker's hallway when Ashley Babbitt, a former member of the military, wearing fatigues and a knapsack on her front, and Lord knows what was in her bag, crashed the glass to break through a window to get down to a speaker hallway. The only thing that stopped her from getting in to the inner sanctum of the halls of Congress while there were still elected officials in there, while these people were yelling bloody murder and for literally the heads of Nancy Pelosi and anybody that could get their hands

on, meaning we would have had assassinated staffers and elected officials if this law enforcement hadn't used his one bullet to stop Ashley Babbitt. But for Donald Trump, who continues to blow the dog whistle to the Proud Boys, to the Oath Keepers, to the MAGA, to the white supremacists, to the Nazis, to the rightists of right-wing not racist that he needs to activate to get them to come to the polls to vote because you can see he's not making any new voters. To him, actually he got angry. That was the angry Donald Trump face. He was like spitting, was almost like spittle was coming out

of his mouth about Ashley Babbit was killed, murdered by law and by that cop who should look how he attacks law enforcement. At the same time, you go on his ex account, his Twitter feed, and he's got the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of the Police. You know, have they seen what he has said about law enforcement, about our armed services, about our fallen veterans, our fallen servicemen and women? Has he, have they seen that? Uh, you know, hundreds of other police chiefs have. So to hear Donald Trump defend Ashley Babbitt at the moment when he needed the white supremacist vote and the racist vote and they had a control

insurrectionist vote, the J6, like the J6 choir, I mean it's just disgusting and it was on display once again and they have the blueprint of chaos and we're watching it with Fonny Willis and I assure you that if Fonny Willis was white and her boyfriend or somebody that she dated who was been it was underneath her in terms of subordinate, or somebody that she dated who was underneath her in terms of subordinate, who was on the prosecution team was also white? We would not be hearing anything about this. It would be, as Karen, you said once, an HR issue

about whether that relationship should be disclosed or not. They were both, they both are adults. They were not married. One was separated, the other one was divorced, and they can do whatever they want in their off hours. And what does it have to do with the prosecution or her discretion as a prosecutor? And if she was white, I'm sorry, and I mean, they've used the race card, you and I would not be talking about this.

And that prosecution wouldn't be on life support. But because she did whatever red blooded American would do who's single, wanted to date somebody that she found interesting, Donald Trump and his minions were able to use that. And that's why we don't have a, I don't think we'd ever, I don't think based on how long trials in state court take in Georgia, based on my understanding, we would never have had that trial completed before the election. But we don't even have, it's not even in the offing. We don't even, there's no trial date.

This could be more likely a 2026 event. Now I like the way you said it earlier, Karen, on top of the hot podcast where you said, you know, if he loses, which is looking ever so likely on a daily basis, he's going in, right? And he's going in for all these things. That's why he's right. People, Kamala Harris has something very telling

and very interesting. She said, whenever you at a rally Donald Trump speak, you never speak about how you're gonna help the American people. It's always about you, rally sizes, crowd sizes, all this other stuff. There's a reason for that. He has no interest in running to help the American people. His only interest is to run as fast as he can and try to outrun his criminal convictions and his criminal investigations and prosecutions. That's the only reason he's running. If there were not any criminal cases against him,

in other words, he didn't commit any crimes, he would not be running, I assure you, for the presidency of the United States at the ripe old age of 80 years old to try to get back to the White House. It's because he's trying to outrun the criminal cases so he can stand with his lawyers and say, I'm the leading candidate.

No, you're not. I'm the leading candidate for president. This is warfare. This is lawfare. This is weaponization. This is election interference. If he wasn't running, he wouldn't be able to use all of those defenses and wouldn't get any MAGA judges to agree with him. And so that's what we've only, speaking of performative art, performative work, we've only been speaking of performative art, performative work, we've only been watching a performative. He's acting like he's running for president because that gives him a defense in the public

and in court so far. I assure you, he'd be on a rocking chair in Florida, so to speak, if he, grifting his way to whatever next thing he would be doing. If he if he didn't, if he wasn't looking down the barrel of all these criminal cases and he's and just look how he's running his campaign. Where is he? You leave a debate like that, like Joe Biden, you got to go back out like the next day and get in front of the American people and do a rally and a press conference and where is he? He's nowhere. He's phoning in. He's quietly quitting his own campaign. She on the other hand not only

does she have a day job of being vice president Kamala Harris but she's out every day it appears on a whistle-stop tour of America and the battleground states spending days on end in places like Georgia and in North Carolina to try to get votes. She's doing retail politics and campaigning, the likes we haven't seen since Obama and Clinton. Even Hillary didn't do that. Hillary did a lot of flyover campaigning, like, well, there's Pennsylvania. She didn't get out of the bus and actually do what Tom was doing. And that's what Donald Trump is doing. Donald Trump is not campaigning in a traditional sense or in any sense. Phoning into Newsmax or doing podcasts nobody's ever heard of or calling into Fox News or radio shows is not going to win you the election, not when you're Donald Trump.

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I think we missed it by a share or two, but Wednesday, June, we were running a counter of a new sub. And I think we were also very close to two million. I think we missed it by a share or two, but Wednesday, June, we were running a counter of a new sub. And I think we a balloon drop on the 3 million during our show. And I think we were also very close to 2 million. I think we missed it by a shower to it Wednesday, definitely midweek.

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It's not like you run, drive down the street and see a billboard with Midas Touch or Legal AF. They've got t-shirts, got the store. I'm gonna put the store up for a minute, got the store, you can fly the flag of legal AF there. We certainly have that, that's you can, you know, you get coffee mugs and t-shirts from that. And you can support the other podcasts that are related to us, right? Like Mistrial, where I'm gonna have dinner with Karen, Donya, and Kathleen in a couple hours. And the hot takes that Karen, me, and Ben do in the legal and political sphere up here on the

Midas Touch Network on a regular basis. You can go over to the playlists if you're like, you know, I want to hear more from Karen or less from Popok or more from Ben and less from Popok or more from Popok and less from the other two. You can go over to playlists, look our look us up by our name. And you'll find all of our body of work sitting, sitting right there. That's another way to support us. And, and then we've got the sort of our guerrilla marketing plan, which is I do bumpers, I do introductions of Legal AF After Dark, which is effectively segments from Today,

Today's Show and all the other shows. And then we post those. Those are for people who really just want a bite-sized version of our show, don't know about our show. If you know about our show, you see that clip, and you're like, oh, I already watched that podcast. That's okay.

Take that clip, send it off to people in your life, and say, hey, you know that show I like, Legal AF? Here's an example. It's 10-minute commitment. And that'll be like a gateway drug to get them to come over to Legal AF. That's why we do Legal AF after dark and then support our sponsors. Watch the ads all the way to the end. Watch the show all the way to the end. Because that's important to the algorithmic gods and signals to them that we should be where we're at, which is top 50 in the world in news, top 10 in news analysis, and often top 200 in all genres of anything in podcast world in podcasts. And there's a reason for that. Watch the show to the end, send signal to the algorithmic gods, you like what we're doing here. And then, if you can

and you can afford it and it's something you think is interesting and you're listening to our endorsement of it, buy the product. We're getting you a discount and then it gets kind of calculated into sponsors wanting to be on our show. I made a joke on one of my hot takes. Some people, and I get it, you know, oh, well, I bought YouTube ad free and why am I getting ... And you have to understand our business model here. We have no outside investors. Nobody dictates our content, nobody tells us what to do, and there's no censorship.

I don't even know what I'm about to say coming out of my mouth, let alone anybody, right? And neither does Karen. And there's no delay, like Salty doesn't have a five second delay button. I don't think so, Salty? Where he's like, what's Popeye gonna say now? Hold it.

So, right, no delay. So, we have ads. It helps that things like patreon.com slash legal AF for people that wanna learn more about the law side of law and politics, a little plug for legal AF. Patreon, so we have these are what you do. If you don't wanna watch ads, then you can go over to like Truth Social

where they have no subscribers, they have nobody watches the channel, they have no real content, and they have no advertisers. So I joked to one of my hot takes, if you don't like our ads, it's okay. There are places on the dial where there are absolutely no ads. There's no content, there's nobody watching it. You can go to Truth Social, zero ads. Ads are a good thing is what I'm trying to say because it shows that, and we curate the sponsors, it shows that there is a market to support our show

without having, with commercials, without having to bring in outside investors to keep us going. And because we have Midas Touch website, we've got round the clock journalists, investigative reporters working under Ron Filipkowski. We've got podcasts. We've got people that help us put on the podcast.

Salty is a real person. It's not a person that we made up. Whenever we refer to the non-existent producer or editor, let's call him Salty. That's a real person He you know, he's got bills to pay And we have other editors some of which we we we acknowledge we got a guy named Jeremy We got a nice person named Sydney. We've got you know other people, you know, we got lots of people here

Brett occasionally helps us with editing. We've got to get we got to get we got to put money in their pocket We got to help the economy. You know, we've done it long enough on our own with just our laptops and our microphones. So that's the reason. That's a long-winded way of saying support us these ways and then that will help continue to build the network. We have so many eyeballs on the network right now. Extraordinary numbers, 30 million in three days, whatever the number is. Number one YouTube live channel in the world consistently. And when you add up all of our content like nobody and we have only, only you to think. We're doing the content side. We're doing the production side. We're doing, we're bringing it to you in a way

that we think resonates with our audience. we've got to have an audience. You're doing more than your part. The only thing we ever ask at the end of every show is that you take that energy, and you take that commitment, and you take that desire, that patriotic desire to help America, and you put it into voter registration, early voting, standing in line for as long as you can. If you're in a blue state where your vote doesn't matter as much, standing in line for as long as you can. And if you're in a blue state where your vote doesn't matter as much, mail in your vote and go help with a phone bank or voter registration in another state. You don't have to be a resident of another state in order

to help in those ways. Contact the Democratic Party in your area, in your state, in your county. Ask them how you can help in battleground states. They will connect you with coordinators to have you knock on doors. You've got some time on your hands, you wanna take a road trip, go drive to a neighboring state that could use your help. We got a lot of registration that has to go on right now.

That is a way, phone banking is a way. Getting other people in your life to get to the polls, not just your vote, bring five, six, eight, ten people with you. That's how I believe I helped get Barack Obama elected. Whether that's true or not, I brought at least eight to ten people in my life to the polls that for Barack Obama, no doubt. And I'm gonna do the exact same thing for Kamala Harris and Tim Walsh. And that's what we, that's the only kind of ask that we really make of you besides your commitment, is to help change the result. The Supreme Court is in your hands, reproductive rights for women in your hands, and what our presidency looks like and who's going to

occupy the Oval Office, and whether we're going to finally break that glass ceiling that Hillary Clinton so eloquently said during your speech, I it we can see Madam President Kamala Harris above that ceiling let's get there and that's that's that's what this is all this is why we do it is why we're so passionate about what we do Karen you how about the last word yeah look I just I think it's, I love your ending. I could never top that. Everything you just said is amazing. And can't wait to see you tonight.

Yeah, you too. So for Legal AF, Karen Freedman, Nick Dippelow, Mistrial and Legal AF, Michael Popock, Legal AF and all the hot takes in the Midas Touch Network. Signing off, shout out to the Midas Mighty and the legal AFers.