Legal AF by MeidasTouch - Trump’s Legal Reckoning in Georgia gets MAJOR Update

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Michael Popok reports on when we can expect Fulton County DA Fani Willis to indict Donald Trump and others for election crimes and organized crime conspiracy. Is it May or even sooner? Shop Legal AF Merch at: https://store.meidastouch.com Join us on Patreon: https://patreon.com/meidastouch Remember to subscribe to ALL the MeidasTouch Network Podcasts: MeidasTouch: https://pod.link/1510240831 Legal AF: https://pod.link/1580828595 The PoliticsGirl Podcast: https://pod.link/1595408601 The Influence Continuum: https://pod.link/1603773245 Kremlin File: https://pod.link/1575837599 Mea Culpa with Michael Cohen: https://pod.link/1530639447 The Weekend Show: https://pod.link/1612691018 The Tony Michaels Podcast: https://pod.link/1561049560 American Psyop: https://pod.link/1652143101 Majority 54: https://pod.link/1309354521 Political Beatdown: https://pod.link/1669634407 Lights On with Jessica Denson: https://pod.link/1676844320 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is Michael Popok, legal AF. Well, don't forget about Fawni Willis, Fulton County prosecutor in Georgia. I know all the attention has been on Manhattan, DA, Alvin Bragg, and his getting an indictment and eraning the president for a president in the United States, Donald Trump, just last week, but Fawni Willis is coming up fast. People may be wondering, where is her indictment and charging decision? She told the chief judge then of the Fulton County courthouse that her indictment decision was imminent. That's back in January when the special purpose grand jury, not a grand jury that can actually indict, but can only advise the special prosecutor or the prosecutor

in this case about potential charges having heard witness testimony and seen evidence, that got to span it in January with a report. Many of us have heard about it because the four person took to the airwaves and told everybody what happened in that room. But remember, we don't know exactly who was recommended to be indicted, recommended to be indicted. And so we've been waiting since January now in April for the imminent decision. Two things to keep an eye on. One is under Georgia's unique

body of law. A defendant, a criminal defendant can request speedy trial and to go to trial as fast as two months from when the grand jury that indicted that person ends their work. There is a grand jury. That's a regular grand jury that's been in in process all the way through the end of March in Fulton County, Georgia. No one, including me, thinks that jury was presented evidence concerning Donald Trump for a number of reasons. One, the press is all over

this. They would see witnesses coming in and out. They would see Fawni Willis's office going in and out. They would quickly put two and two together. And even though there are secrecy protections around the grand jury process, they would sort of get a hint that the grand jury was considering Donald Trump. I mean, there are 18 separate targets we know in the Fulton County investigation, including the fake electors that were used, the chairman of the Republican Party in Georgia, Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham, Mark Meadows, and others. So, you know, somebody would be coming through the front door. Now, look, she gets the Fulton County prosecutor, gets a lot of wind at her sale because she's already got the results of the special purpose grand jury, but she's still got to put on live witnesses and so nobody

saw them in March. But what people are speculating and I think they're right is that Fawni's going to wait until May. She's going to make the presentation because every two months there's a regular grand jury. She's waiting for May because she's not ready to go to trial. And if there's a two-month firing, you know, a gunfire, starter pistol fire between end of grand jury and start of trial, then she's got to be ready just in case crazy as a Fox Donald Trump and his lawyers decide to say, we're not waving speedy trial. We want our trial in 60 days Then she's got to be ready as the prosecution to put her case on in 60 days So that's why January February, March, April she's been working her case

She's been working her witnesses. She's been working her witness files She's been working along with her investigators and line prosecutors to have her case ready to be tried, not just indicted tried, knowing that once the grand jury in May ends its work, which would be at the end of May, she's got to be ready by July to try a case. The Donald Trump may not be that stupid and crazy. And he might say, no, I need to delay delay delay. But just in case that would be a good strategy. There's another clock to be watching in Fulton County, Georgia, and that's May 1. That's an alternate theory that she, because there is a motion to dismiss that was filed by Donald Trump's new lawyers in Georgia,

fintling and little, little and fintling to lawyers down there that they filed a motion to dismiss the indictment arguing that, oh, the Special Purpose Grand jury, which by the way isn't an indicted entity, but that the Special Purpose Grand Juries report its recommendations are so polluted, so corrupted by a process that they're complaining about, appointing to things that the jury foreperson said in all of her multiple interviews, and other things that have been reported in the paper, they're saying the whole process was polluted, whole processes corrupted,

throw out the special purpose grand jury, but they're missing something. The prosecutor doesn't need a recommendation. It's nice to have. She asked for it, but she can just go clean into the regular grand jury in May, put on her evidence, put on her witnesses, put on her documents, text messages, emails, and telephone recordings of Donald Trump, of which we think she's got three or four and walk out with an indictment. So it cares about what happened in a special purpose grand jury. But May 1, Judge McBernie who's overseeing this all process down in Fulton County has told the parties

and told Fawri Willis be ready to argue against the motion to dismiss on May 1, what she could do, but I don't think she's going to. Because I think it would have required her to have presented this case to the March grand jury, and I don't think she did. So some people are saying, baby, she'll surprise everybody and issue her inditing, her charging decision, and indict Donald Trump right before, like, the end of April, right before May 1. I don't think so. I think she's gonna argue against the special purpose grand jury, reporting sort of vacated or tossed out.

And she's going to also remind the judge, I don't need a special purpose grand jury report. In order to do my job as the prosecutor here, I'll just take it to the regular grand jury in May. I think that whole thing is much to do about nothing. So that I think may one comes and goes and judge McBernie, who's basically sided with Fawni Willis all along the way. Will rule in her favor, she'll then present the case with her line prosecutors and her investigators to the regular grand jury in May who would then issue there and they'd

be asked to return an indictment sometime at the end of May. Now the speculation is the other reason that she's working to build her case is because she is going for Fawni Willis a more complicated, Rico racketeering influence and corrupt organization act case, which gives her conspiracy, predicate acts, things underlying it,

and allows her to tie together various people. The fake electors, Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham, Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, and put them all together in a criminal conspiracy, a rico conspiracy. This is usually used for organized crime where you have what's called a hub and spokes, like a wheel of a bicycle. Donald Trump is the hub and all these other people are connected to him through spokes on the wheel and the wheel is the conspiracy. And here the conspiracy is to interfere with the Georgia election process, a crime. Now Donald Trump, when he attacks Fony Willis and goes after her and calls her racist and calls her an animal and says

that she's after him because she's a Democrat and that he made one perfect phone call. How many times have you heard the phrase, one perfect phone call from Donald Trump? If this was a drinking game, everybody would be completely inebriated. If this was, I get a dollar for every time he says it, I'm being a multi-billionaire. The problem with it is, it's not true, it's fake, it's fake news to be frank. Because there aren't just one phone call, there's at least four phone calls

that Donald Trump made, most of which apparently have been recorded and played for the special purpose grand jury and the future regular grand jury. So the one he likes to focus on and the perfect phone call is what he made a phone call on January 2nd of 2021 right after the election. And he called Brad Raffinsburg or the secretary of state of Georgia and said, can't we just

find 11,780 votes? That's all they need to overcome Joe Biden's electoral advantage. Can't we just find them somewhere, anywhere, just be just between friends? And that's the one he says, that's my perfect phone call. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just trying to throw out 11,780 properly casted votes

and disenfranchise 12,000 people in Georgia. What's wrong with that? Okay, so let's go to the other phone calls that got recorded that he didn't know about when he told, or he does does know about but wants to ignore He also called it was recorded and played for the special purpose grand jury. We found out in January He made a phone call to the late David Ralston who was the Before he died recently. He was the speaker of the house of the Georgia House of Representatives

And he said to Ralston do me a, listen to the irony on this one. In panel, a special purpose grand jury, well, just dripping with irony and use that special purpose grand jury to throw the election in my direction and take it away from Joe Biden. What do you say, Dave? And Dave said, uh, a new phone. Who's this? Uh, what he really said was, uh, can't do that Mr. President,

that's not gonna work. Eh, strike two, but recorded phone call, conspiracy, Rico and crimes. And then he made a phone call to the governor, governor, camp. He said, governor, camp, help me throw the election in my direction, fake electors, certify those fake electors. Eh, this is like family feud.

Uh, no, not doing that either. That, that call is recorded. And then you got 18 total people who are the target of Fony Wells's investigation, including all those fake electors, the chairman of the Republican Party in Georgia and, and the rest, Lindsey Graham and all of that. So the way you can tile this together and a prosecutor's dream is to use conspiracy because it allows you to put up all your evidence

at the same time and show the connective tissue between each of these people and their acts, everything in furtherance of the conspiracy. It's an organizing principle that the prosecutors can use in front of a jury to help teach them the case and to make a very complicated set of facts and actors and a cast of characters more simple. And then you line it up against the Georgia statutes and you show them how each of the elements of the crime of conspiracy, Rico, the racketeering body of law that she's going to use, have all been satisfied and get

probable cause and get the indictment returned so that you can then prosecute him. And how do we know that Fawney Willis is moving closer and closer to likely a May indictment of Donald Trump while also watching with one high open, whatever's going on in New York and all the attacks on Alvin Bragg and on the judge there because she's gone to her own court personnel and she's convened a meeting that's been reported, those that are on the inside, to beef up security protocols around her office to protect her and her staff. And because of how, if you've ever been to Atlanta, the proximity of all these public buildings are to each other. The DA's office is across the street from the Fulton County Courthouse, which is across

the street from the capital. The capital building where all the legislators are. So if anything blew up, it's a problem. So they want to make sure it doesn't. And so they're putting in security protocols now to protect Fony, her staff, and others because of the threats that have been made by Donald Trump, which are borderline intimidation, a crime in Georgia against Fony Willis,

for which she could seek to have him indicted. Leave that for now. I do another hot take on that one. And to get ready for his calls for death and destruction, his calls for violence, his calls for his people to hit the courthouse steps, his calls for Donald Trump and his serigates, like his family members, to go after Fony Willis' family and husband and aunt and grandmother or whatever else they could think of and docks all them. We live in a country where dozens of federal and state judges have been assassinated by

bombings, by shootings, and other things. Or if they haven't been hit, their family members are innocent bystanders who have been hurt or injured or maimed or killed. That's judges. Okay? It happens every day. Unfortunately, every day it happens more than we let we care to admit. And so we don't want that to happen now.

We don't want prosecutors to get assassinated because of Donald Trump's crazy attacks on prosecutors and their family. So she's doing that. So I think in summary, as long as we're talking about all these things, I think Fannie Willis is going to convene and go before the regular grand jury in May. She's going to fight off the motion to dismiss on May 1.

She's going to win that. She's going to go into court the grand jury and get her indictment by the end of May, giving Donald Trump, if he wants speedy trial until July, you know, at that time to call for speedy trial, which would happen in July, Fony Willis having used the time from January through July to get ready for a case, she'll be ready where the Donald Trump is ready. You're not we're going to find out if Donald Trump wants it delayed, delayed, delay, and wants to push it off six months or a year, Fony Willis will fight them on that to set it.

But this is this is the next shoe to drop. We got a lot of shoes dropping. Usually there's only two with Donald Trump. It's like a centipede. First shoe to drop Manhattan on the centipede. Second shoe to drop is Fawni Willis racketeering likely in May. Third shoe to drop. Fourth shoe to drop. Fifth shoe to drop. Jack Smith. Mara Lago. Intentional, intentional interference interference with Congress on Jan 6th and the peaceful transfer of power and the insurrection that happened then, the grifting of the $300 million by Donald Trump raising money on the back of a lie that Joe Biden wasn't properly elected president of the United States.

What am I up to? Five shoes have already dropped, and if you start adding civil side to this, the six shoe to drop is going to be the civil case, civil fraud case for $250 million by Latisha James, New York attorney general. That trial starts October the second in New York State court in front of Judge Angora. That puts Donald Trump out of business permanently, permanent ban, permanent ban on that puts Donald Trump out of business permanently permanent ban permanent ban on him being an officer director of a New York company and all of his children and 17 other executives that worked around him takes away his ability to raise money and the corporate name and in a huge fine. And then if you're looking for the seventh shoot drop

of this centipede and I'm sure I'll get to eight before this is over, you've got E. Jean Carroll going to trial April the 25th. Check my clock, check my watch 18 days from now, civil rape case against Donald Trump in federal court in New York. That's going to trial. You might have heard other things, but civil rape and defamation of her by Donald Trump after he left office is going to trial their pick in a jury to 25th of April.

So keep an eye on all of this. I'm up to seven legs of the centipede and all these shoes dropping. You know, what time is it? I'm sure before the hot take is over, there'll be an eighth. That's where we are. Keep an eye on Fondi Willis. She's keeping an eye on Donald Trump and everything he's doing and everything that Alvin Bragg in New York is doing. And Jack Smith is watching them all because he's got some big foot abilities

as a federal prosecutor to either not so much take over prosecutions, but to jump in front of them and try his cases first. So he might be, hold this thought. Jack Smith might be the last to indict, but he might be the first to try his cases against Donald Trump. We'll watch him. I'll watch him and I'll do hot tics like this about every day. I'm doing them about every hour now that we have, you know, we're in the era of Trump indictments.

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